From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 09:41:00 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 09:40:24 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: "<" Subject: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? Something to rack your brains with early this morning . . . . I was riding home yesterday ('97 748 Duc--43,000 miles) evening from work (DC to Dumfries). I had no problems whatsoever, until I got about three miles from home. I was downshifting to make a right-hand sweeper. I probably got down to about second gear (six gears total) when I noticed that the bike started bucking. It felt like I was in way too high of a gear for my speed, but I knew I was not. I pulled in the clutch and released it and gave the bike more throttle. I could hear the bike revving, but there was no power. The bike literally felt like I was using extreme braking, and then someone put a stick in the rear wheel and I came to a dead stop. This ALL happened in a maximum of 10 feet. The bike was still running fine. A biker immediately came by and asked if everything was ok. I said no. He stopped, but never got off the bike. In the quick meantime, a county cop moved from the traffic light to see what was the problem. I told the biker that I would have the cop follow me home, if I could get it to go. I explained the situation to the cop. He said he also rode, and that he could not see anything obviously wrong with the bike. I ask him to follow me home, and he said if I had more problems to pull over. My first and only real thought was that the bike would either not go into gear or would not pull away from the spot, since it appeared that it lost all power. I started the bike, no problem. I put the bike into gear, no problem. I released the clutch, no problem. I am feeling the bike and moving it all over, no problems. I am continually giving the cop a thumbs up. Bike seems to be running fine, like absolutely nothing wrong with it. I go about 20 feet, and attempt to slow the bike because of the cars that ar stopped at a stop sign. I have absolutely NO rear breaks. I signal the cop that I am turning right at the stop sign and turning right into a townhouse area in the parking lot. I am just playing with the rear brake in this short distance to see if it pumps up. I stop, we look at the rear brake pedal. No brakes whatsoever!!! Absolutely no moisture or fluid around the rear brake or lines. I see nothing wet around the rear brake master cylinder. Cop says, you have absolutely no rear brake, and the fairing is the only thing keeping the brake level from continuing to going down farther. [I ask what he rides, and he says an R1, used to have an R6--a real young guy. He said he bought it from Coleman--I give him the lecture, and he said that he has been lectured quite often.] He gives me a ride home, and a little under a hour, I show up with a guy to help me either load it in the back of a truck or just ride it home (front brake works fine) with him following. We get to the bike, guy pushes on the rear brake pedal, FULL brakes!!! I could not believe my eyes--full rear brakes, when I left the bike with NO rear brakes!!! I have not been able to make the rear brake fail again. I washed the bike to get a good look. No problem I can see. The brake fluid was a little dirty, but I have even seen it worse. I changed the rear brake fluid just in case. Rode it in to work today (about 35 miles), absolutely no problems with the rear brake. So . . . of course, this makes me nervous! Why did the bike feel like I was using full braking (I guess the rear brake must have locked up), stop, and then when I try to move it, I have no rear brake? If the master cylinder did "temporarily" (if that is possible) go, I do not see why that would have caused the rear wheel to brake hard. The pedal did go all the way down, like when a master cylinder goes. I had plenty of brake fluid (at least when I stopped to look at it--not sure what it was doing when it was actually happening), and it was more than halfway between the minimum level and the maximum level. I guess that first jerking of the bike (feeling like it was too high of a gear) was the rear brake being applied and slowing me down, which made me think/feel like I was losing power and the bike was not responding to the throttle. Any suggestions? I actually thought that traffic was light yesterday going home, and did not even really get hot in the leathers. I have ridden the bike in much hotter, heavier traffic. I might have thought it was heat related, if it was hot, traffic was heavy, or I was using the rear brake in slow traffic a lot. None were the case. What would have happened if I was going at a much higher speed? Would the rear brake still have "kind of" locked up? Do I need to worry that it happened once, and nothing was done to fix the problem, so it will come back?! Someone had just said, sometimes you get brake failure. Does brake failure apply brakes before they fail? Thanks in advance for all your suggestions/facts/helpful hints. Judy (concerned) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:12:25 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:16:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? To: "Judy La Follette" Cc: "<" From: "garcia oliver" Sounds like your r-brake was dragging (for unknown reasons), overheated and locked up. The heat boiled your brake fluid (or water in the fluid) producing vapor bubbles which compress easily but don't tranfer much pressure from the brake pedal. So no brake until temp drops below boiling point. I'd suggest disassembling the rear caliper to fix whatever caused the initial lock-up. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:25:12 2004 Subject: When is a helmet not a helmet? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:25:09 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "<" I dropped my helmet from a counter about three feet in the air onto concrete. There was a sharp cracking sound. Apart from two dings the helmet does not _appear_ damaged. When I get on the road, I can no longer close the visor all the way. I was treated to a unbearable earful of howling wind anytime I hit 55 plus on my way home. Structurally I cannot see any damage..but I may need a new helmet because the visor no longer close with a complete seal. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:28:29 2004 Subject: RE: When is a helmet not a helmet? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:28:21 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: "Julian Halton" , "<" Helmets are a 1-shot deal, brother Julian. You drop it, you buy a new one. Even if you can't see anything wrong there may easily be hairline cracks that you won't notice until maybe you're in an accident and your helmet explodes.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:25 AM > To: < > Subject: When is a helmet not a helmet? > > I dropped my helmet from a counter about three feet in the > air onto concrete. There was a sharp cracking sound. Apart > from two dings the helmet does not _appear_ damaged. When I > get on the road, I can no longer close the visor all the way. > I was treated to a unbearable earful of howling wind anytime > I hit 55 plus on my way home. Structurally I cannot see any > damage..but I may need a new helmet because the visor no > longer close with a complete seal. > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:37:13 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:41:59 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: When is a helmet not a helmet? At 10:25 AM 7/1/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >of howling wind anytime I hit 55 plus on my way home. Structurally I >cannot see any damage..but I may need a new helmet because the visor no >longer close with a complete seal. I'd say you may need a new helmet because you dropped yours 3' onto concrete... Helmets work because there's a hard shell outside, and a crushable lining inside. If you crack the shell (even micro-cracks that you can't see), you've weakened the outer shell and reduced the protection it can offer you. If the outer shell flexed enough at the impact to crush, even partially, the crushable lining, then the lining won't be there to absorb as much impact when and if you need it to do so, reducing the protection still farther. Since you wear a helmet for protection, a helmet with reduced protective ability isn't good. Folks here have posted in the past that Arai (and perhaps other makers) will examine a helmet after an accident for about $10 (basically the cost of postage) and tell you if it needs replacing or not. I don't know if that offer extends to dropping the helmet without your head in it or not, but it might be worth asking...though in your case, if the helmet is distorted enough to keep the visor from closing, it's probably dead. Only hope would be that the problem is with the visor mounting point, not the shell of the helmet. I.e. maybe you just dislocated the hinge or something to cause that problem. I'd still want the helmet checked out pretty carefully before relying on it though. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:39:01 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: When is a helmet not a helmet? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:38:35 -0400 If it's a Shoei you can send it to them for examination. They x-ray the helmet and verify if it's usable of not. The service is free, you only pay for shipment to their headquarters. I used the serivce when I inherited a helmet, just to verify I wasn't getting a bad one; they shipped back out the same day. I'm not sure if any of the other manufacturers offer this service or not. Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 10:25 AM To: < Subject: When is a helmet not a helmet? I dropped my helmet from a counter about three feet in the air onto concrete. There was a sharp cracking sound. Apart from two dings the helmet does not _appear_ damaged. When I get on the road, I can no longer close the visor all the way. I was treated to a unbearable earful of howling wind anytime I hit 55 plus on my way home. Structurally I cannot see any damage..but I may need a new helmet because the visor no longer close with a complete seal. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:47:54 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:47:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? To: garcia oliver , Judy La Follette Cc: "<" judy, i've replaced 2-3 rear master cylinders on my '00 996. they put the damn thing right next to the exhaust! it heats up like a mofo and fails regularly. every few thousand miles i have the rear re-bled and it performs adequately for another couple months. good thing i rarely use the rear. --- garcia oliver wrote: > Sounds like your r-brake was dragging (for unknown > reasons), overheated > and locked up. The heat boiled your brake fluid (or > water in the fluid) > producing vapor bubbles which compress easily but don't > tranfer much > pressure from the brake pedal. So no brake until temp > drops below boiling > point. > > I'd suggest disassembling the rear caliper to fix > whatever caused the > initial lock-up. > > --garcia > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:56:43 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 10:56:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moto safety vid from the UK http://makeashorterlink.com/?H2FA510B8 Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:59:11 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:59:01 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: garcia oliver CC: Judy La Follette , "<" Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? I completely agree with this assessment. More than likely the piston in the rear caliper didn't retract the last time you used it (any number of reasons - worn seal, obstruction, etc) and the pad was dragging on the rotor. - Roach garcia oliver wrote: > Sounds like your r-brake was dragging (for unknown reasons), overheated > and locked up. The heat boiled your brake fluid (or water in the fluid) > producing vapor bubbles which compress easily but don't tranfer much > pressure from the brake pedal. So no brake until temp drops below boiling > point. > > I'd suggest disassembling the rear caliper to fix whatever caused the > initial lock-up. > > --garcia > > -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 10:59:45 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. X-Virus-Checked: Checked While we're on the topic of helmets... It's well past time for me to buy a new helmet. My old one is dinged up, scratched, the left hinge has exploded so it's difficult to get a good seal, and I've crashed in or dropped the damn thing... three times now? So, yeah, time to go shopping. Does anyone have any familiarity with the HJC Sy-Max flipface helmet? I'm intrigued by the utility of a flipface, but it's A) not Snell approved, and B) $80 more expensive than a CL-14 (which would be my next choice). Any comments on it, one way or the other? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:02:35 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:02:14 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Tom Gimer CC: garcia oliver , Judy La Follette , "<" Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? Tom Gimer wrote: > good thing i rarely use the rear. The rear master cylinder and caliper on my 900SS was so small, the thing barely had any rear brake when in perfect working condition. As with you, I found little use for it anyway, so it never really bothered me. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:03:46 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:03:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , "<" Subject: Re: When is a helmet not a helmet? -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton I dropped my helmet from a counter about three feet in the air onto concrete. There was a sharp cracking sound. Apart from two dings the helmet does not _appear_ damaged. When I get on the road, I can no longer close the visor all the way. I was treated to a unbearable earful of howling wind anytime I hit 55 plus on my way home. Structurally I cannot see any damage..but I may need a new helmet because the visor no longer close with a complete seal. ------------ Julian, there's a high probability the helmet is fine....but how much of a probability are you willing to accept for your irreplacable, one-of-a-kind noggin? My advice: get a new helmet. Send this one in to get checked out. If it's OK, keep as a spare or pillion helmet. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:08:50 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:08:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers .... Does anyone have any familiarity with the HJC Sy-Max flipface helmet? I'm intrigued by the utility of a flipface, but it's A) not Snell approved, and B) $80 more expensive than a CL-14 (which would be my next choice). Any comments on it, one way or the other? Fish. ----- MCN did a review of flip-fronts a while back. If you like, I can dig it out. The fact that it's not Snell is not necessarily a mark against it. No flip-front (modular) is Snell certified. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:10:48 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > MCN did a review of flip-fronts a while back. Hmm. I'll have to go hunt through my back issues to see if I got that one. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:14:37 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "<" Subject: Carb Synch Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:13:51 -0400 Anyone ever do this? How hard was it to do. I've read the manual and it seems easy enough to do. I have a 00 GSXR 600 and I recently had it on the dyno and they said that the carbs were off and needed to be cleaned and synched (sp?) and I don't want to pay them to do it if I can do it. Also I noticed that Motion Pro sells two tools for this one is really cheap 40. and the other (the shop model) is 70. I think I'll get the shop model to be sure. Any hints suggestions are greatly appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:03 AM To: Julian Halton; < Subject: Re: When is a helmet not a helmet? -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton I dropped my helmet from a counter about three feet in the air onto concrete. There was a sharp cracking sound. Apart from two dings the helmet does not _appear_ damaged. When I get on the road, I can no longer close the visor all the way. I was treated to a unbearable earful of howling wind anytime I hit 55 plus on my way home. Structurally I cannot see any damage..but I may need a new helmet because the visor no longer close with a complete seal. ------------ Julian, there's a high probability the helmet is fine....but how much of a probability are you willing to accept for your irreplacable, one-of-a-kind noggin? My advice: get a new helmet. Send this one in to get checked out. If it's OK, keep as a spare or pillion helmet. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:17:48 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > How much is the HJC? We're selling the new AGV GT-O Modular for $190, > seems like a nice flip-face. $183 from New Enough; the CL-14 would be $110. Plus shipping, I guess, but that probably wouldn't be too damaging. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:19:47 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:19:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Silver,Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" , "<" Subject: Re: Carb Synch -----Original Message----- From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Anyone ever do this? How hard was it to do. I've read the manual and it seems easy enough to do. I have a 00 GSXR 600 and I recently had it on the dyno and they said that the carbs were off and needed to be cleaned and synched (sp?) and I don't want to pay them to do it if I can do it. Also I noticed that Motion Pro sells two tools for this one is really cheap 40. and the other (the shop model) is 70. I think I'll get the shop model to be sure. Any hints suggestions are greatly appreciated. ----- It takes about twenty minutes on the VFR. Depending on the model, though, you may need to remove the tank and rig up a temporary fuel supply. I've got the el cheapo mercury carb sticks from Motion Pro. You may also need a special angled screwdriver to turn the adjusters. It does help our four-bangers to run a lot smoother, that's for sure. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:23:04 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Fish - If you can, look at other options. I've got that issue of MCN if you need it. You can probably find the text online somewhere, too. I looked at a ton of MFGs whe I was looking for mine, and wasn't terribly impressed with the HJC. I wound up with the Nolan N100 (under $200), which got positive marks in the MCN report. It's louder than a solid helmet, but I think they all are. In any case, I really like the flexibility of it. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > While we're on the topic of helmets... > > It's well past time for me to buy a new helmet. My > old one is dinged up, > scratched, the left hinge has exploded so it's > difficult to get a good > seal, and I've crashed in or dropped the damn > thing... three times now? > So, yeah, time to go shopping. > > Does anyone have any familiarity with the HJC Sy-Max > flipface helmet? I'm > intrigued by the utility of a flipface, but it's A) > not Snell approved, > and B) $80 more expensive than a CL-14 (which would > be my next choice). > Any comments on it, one way or the other? > > Fish. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:35:11 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:47:28 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Julian Halton CC: "<" Subject: Re: When is a helmet not a helmet? What brand of Helmet? Arai and Shoei both offer free inspection if you send the helmet to them. Dropping a helmet (or even crashing on it) does not mean it is trashed. At least not according to the helmet manufacturers. I sent my Arai Signet to Arai after a crash at Road Atlanta, and they certified it as undamaged (internally - the paint was obviously chipped) and safe to wear. - Roach Julian Halton wrote: > I dropped my helmet from a counter about three feet in the air onto > concrete. There was a sharp cracking sound. Apart from two dings the > helmet does not _appear_ damaged. When I get on the road, I can no > longer close the visor all the way. I was treated to a unbearable earful > of howling wind anytime I hit 55 plus on my way home. Structurally I > cannot see any damage..but I may need a new helmet because the visor no > longer close with a complete seal. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:41:50 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'Fujii, Joanne (NIH/CSR)'" , "'Custer, Mary'" , "'Custer, Steph'" , "'David Nisbet'" , "'Anna Lammerding'" , "Kubera, Roger" , "Boland, Timothy" , "Hess, Robert" , "'Richard Arsenault-Guelph'" Subject: Motorcycle Truth Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:44:12 -0400 This piece is called "Season of the Bike," by writer Dave Karlotski. --------------------------- Motorcycle Truth There is cold, and there is cold on a motorcycle. Cold on a motorcycle is like being beaten with cold hammers while being kicked with cold boots, a bone bruising cold. The wind's big hands squeeze the heat out of my body and whisk it away; caught in a cold October rain, the drops don't even feel like water. They feel like shards of bone fallen from the skies of Hell to pock my face. I expect to arrive with my cheeks and forehead streaked with blood, but that's just an illusion, just the misery of nerves not designed for highway speeds. Despite this, it's hard to give up my motorcycle in the fall and I rush to get it on the road again in the spring; lapses of sanity like this are common among motorcyclists. When you let a motorcycle into your life you're changed forever. The letters "MC" are stamped on your driver's license right next to your sex and weight as if "motorcycle" was just another of your physical characteristics, or maybe a mental condition. But when warm weather finally does come around all those cold snaps and rainstorms are paid in full because a summer is worth any price. A motorcycle is not just a two-wheeled car; the difference between driving a car and climbing onto a motorcycle is the difference between watching TV and actually living your life. We spend all our time sealed in boxes and cars are just the rolling boxes that shuffle us from home-box to work-box to store-box and back, the whole time, entombed in stale air, temperature regulated, sound insulated, and smelling of carpets. On a motorcycle I know I'm alive. When I ride, even the familiar seems strange and glorious. The air has weight and substance as I push through it and its touch is as intimate as water to a swimmer. I feel the cool wells of air that pool under trees and the warm spokes of that fall through them. I can see everything in a sweeping 360 degrees, up, down and around, wider than Pana-Vision and than IMAX and unrestricted by ceiling or dashboard. Sometimes I even hear music. It's like hearing phantom telephones in the shower or false doorbells when vacuuming; the pattern-loving brain, seeking signals in the noise, raises acoustic ghosts out of the wind's roar. But on a motorcycle I hear whole songs: rock 'n roll, dark orchestras, women's voices, all hidden in the air and released by speed. At 30 miles per hour and up, smells become uncannily vivid. All the individual tree- smells and flower- smells and grass-smells flit by like chemical notes in a great plant symphony. Sometimes the smells evoke memories so strongly that it's as though the past hangs invisible in the air around me, wanting only the most casual of rumbling time machines to unlock it. A ride on a summer afternoon can border on the rapturous. The sheer volume and variety of stimuli is like a bath for my nervous system, an electrical massage for my brain, a systems check for my soul. It tears smiles out of me: a minute ago I was dour, depressed, apathetic, numb, but now, on two wheels, big, ragged, windy smiles flap against the side of my face, billowing out of me like air from a decompressing plane. Transportation is only a secondary function. A motorcycle is a joy machine. It's a machine of wonders, a metal bird, a motorized prosthetic. It's light and dark and shiny and dirty and warm and cold lapping over each other; it's a conduit of grace, it's a catalyst for bonding the gritty and the holy. I still think of myself as a motorcycle amateur, but by now I've had a handful of bikes over half a dozen years and slept under my share of bridges. I wouldn't trade one second of either the good times or the misery. Learning to ride one of the best things I've done. Cars lie to us and tell us we're safe, powerful, and in control. The air-conditioning fans murmur empty assurances and whisper, "Sleep, sleep." Motorcycles tell us a more useful truth: we are small and exposed, and probably moving too fast for our own good, but that's no reason not to enjoy every minute of the ride. Dave Karlotski. This was originally broadcast on NPR's _Savvy Traveler_ and has subsequently been posted without attribution in lots of places. See Dave's website at http://the751.tri-pixel.com . He may not be the most experienced rider, but he's unusually well-attuned to the sensual appeal of riding. Carl (Rubber side down -- I ain't got no shiny parts) Custer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:45:23 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:10:42 -0400 Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. I have one. I dig it. Pros: very padded/comfie, convenient to flip, well-constructed, easy to switch visors, price. Cons: noisy, bit bulky vs. non-flip FFH, price. All in all, it fits my noggin great and I'd buy another one. HJC brought out the CL-MAX this model year, I think *maybe* discontinued the Sy-MAX? Funny, it shares the same visors as the CL-14. Buy both and send one back? -Sean Fish Flowers wrote: > While we're on the topic of helmets... > > It's well past time for me to buy a new helmet. My old one is dinged up, > scratched, the left hinge has exploded so it's difficult to get a good > seal, and I've crashed in or dropped the damn thing... three times now? > So, yeah, time to go shopping. > > Does anyone have any familiarity with the HJC Sy-Max flipface helmet? I'm > intrigued by the utility of a flipface, but it's A) not Snell approved, > and B) $80 more expensive than a CL-14 (which would be my next choice). > Any comments on it, one way or the other? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:47:11 2004 Subject: Best price on a Shoei RF-1000 black Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:47:06 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DCCycles" anyone know where I can beat $270 plus shipping for the RF 1000 Large? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:54:42 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Best price on a Shoei RF-1000 black Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:54:33 -0400 > anyone know where I can beat $270 plus shipping for the RF 1000 Large? Where are you getting that price? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:57:44 2004 Subject: RE: Best price on a Shoei RF-1000 black Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:57:41 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: , Here... Could be sketchy as feedback is only 22 and the guy has only been on since April: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=79086 57923&category=6749 -----Original Message----- From: mjordan812@XXXXXX [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:55 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Best price on a Shoei RF-1000 black > anyone know where I can beat $270 plus shipping for the RF 1000 Large? Where are you getting that price? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 11:59:08 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:47:40 -0400 Fish, I just bought one, about two months ago. Overall, I like it, but I have noticed that it doesn't fit as well in real life as it did in the showroom. I probably should have gotten the next larger size. It ends up pressing on the center of my forehead after a while. On the other hand, the convenience of the flip face is great and the latching system seems quite secure, yet easy to operate. The venting is good, the faceshield is pretty good. It is a bit noisier than my old Shoei, but it also has really nice pockets for installing speakers. It also has additional pads to help with the fit around the face. I might be willing to sell mine (black, large) with an extra dark-tinted faceshield for a good price to an interested party. Perry >From: Fish Flowers >To: DC-Cycles >Subject: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. >Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 07:59:39 -0700 (PDT) > >While we're on the topic of helmets... > >It's well past time for me to buy a new helmet. My old one is dinged up, >scratched, the left hinge has exploded so it's difficult to get a good >seal, and I've crashed in or dropped the damn thing... three times now? >So, yeah, time to go shopping. > >Does anyone have any familiarity with the HJC Sy-Max flipface helmet? I'm >intrigued by the utility of a flipface, but it's A) not Snell approved, >and B) $80 more expensive than a CL-14 (which would be my next choice). >Any comments on it, one way or the other? > >Fish. > _________________________________________________________________ From )B‘will you?’ to ‘I do,’ MSN Life Events is your resource for Getting Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:02:21 2004 Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:59:11 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Only anecdotal, but I bought one for my girlfriend, she loves it. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 11:09 AM To: Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers .... Does anyone have any familiarity with the HJC Sy-Max flipface helmet? I'm intrigued by the utility of a flipface, but it's A) not Snell approved, and B) $80 more expensive than a CL-14 (which would be my next choice). Any comments on it, one way or the other? Fish. ----- MCN did a review of flip-fronts a while back. If you like, I can dig it out. The fact that it's not Snell is not necessarily a mark against it. No flip-front (modular) is Snell certified. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:13:01 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:12:52 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Perry Coleman wrote: > I probably should have gotten the next larger size. It ends up > pressing on the center of my forehead after a while. Just IMHO, it isn't the wrong size ... it's the wrong shape. Different manufacturers have different shell shapes. A Shoei (up to the RF900 - I haven't tried on one of their helmets in a couple years), for example, will do the same thing to me - they have a round shell shape and I have an oval shaped head. If you got a bigger size, it wouldn't fit snug on the side of your head. You could compensate with thicker cheek pads, but it still wouldn't be a perfect fit. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:19:00 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:23:36 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. At 11:08 AM 7/1/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: > >MCN did a review of flip-fronts a while back. If you like, I can dig it out. The fact that it's not Snell is not necessarily a mark against it. No flip-front (modular) is Snell certified. True. Snell's web site said (last I looked a few months ago) that they know of no reason why a properly engineered flip-face couldn't pass their tests, but that so far nobody has asked them to test one so none are at the moment. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:26:50 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:30:52 -0400 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. At 11:47 AM 7/1/04 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: >I just bought one, about two months ago. Overall, I like it, but I have >noticed that it doesn't fit as well in real life as it did in the showroom. >I probably should have gotten the next larger size. When was your last haircut? ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:27:41 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:10:22 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Fish Flowers CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. No experience with the HJC one, but what I'll say is that Snell won't approve any "flip-face" helmet. The HJC, Nolan, Shoei, and AGV are all only DOT approved. How much is the HJC? We're selling the new AGV GT-O Modular for $190, seems like a nice flip-face. - Roach Fish Flowers wrote: > Does anyone have any familiarity with the HJC Sy-Max flipface helmet? I'm > intrigued by the utility of a flipface, but it's A) not Snell approved, > and B) $80 more expensive than a CL-14 (which would be my next choice). > Any comments on it, one way or the other? > > Fish. > > -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:32:02 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:31:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > Just IMHO, it isn't the wrong size ... it's the wrong shape. This is actually one of my concerns. My current HJC (An LT-20, about 2-3 years old) consistently gives me a "hot spot" on my forehead after 30-60 minutes. I've measured my head according to the HJC guidelines, and I should indeed be wearing a medium... Does anyone other than Arai make a helmet shaped similarly to their long-oval type? I'd guess I'm definitely a long oval, but a poor one. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:36:52 2004 From: Steve McCollom To: "Julian Halton" , "DCCycles" Subject: Re: Best price on a Shoei RF-1000 black Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:36:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out003.verizon.net from [192.168.1.4] at Thu, 1 Jul 2004 11:36:50 -0500 > > From: "Julian Halton" > anyone know where I can beat $270 plus shipping for the RF 1000 Large? > > www.helmetharbor.com Call them at 1-866-221-9093; they don't show the price on the website, but it's $269.95 with free shipping. Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:43:04 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:42:49 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: Fish Flowers CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Fish Flowers wrote: > Does anyone other than Arai make a helmet shaped similarly to their > long-oval type? I'd guess I'm definitely a long oval, but a poor one. I used an AGV "Flyer" for the last year and a half, before OGK sponsored us (VERY nice helmets, but very high-dollar). AGV's shell shape is similar to my Arai, and the helmet itself is pretty nice. It does not dig into my forehead like a Shoei or HJC and fits snug everywhere. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:44:37 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:44:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Brian Roach , Fish Flowers Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Cc: DC-Cycles -----Original Message----- From: Brian Roach No experience with the HJC one, but what I'll say is that Snell won't approve any "flip-face" helmet. The HJC, Nolan, Shoei, and AGV are all only DOT approved. - Roach ----- Seems to be a bit of a chicken/egg problem. Snell says it has no problems per se with modular helmets. Snell says no manufacturer will submit a modular for testing. Here's the poop, direct from Snell: http://www.smf.org/faqs.html "Why won't Snell certify some types of helmets like flip up front designs? Snell does not dismiss out of hand, any helmet design that strays from the conventional. Snell does not point out any design specifications, other than general requirements in our standards. We are however, always concerned with innovations and new designs that may effect the helmet's ability to protect the wearer, or in some cases the helmets potential to cause injury. At present, the Foundation has not had the opportunity to test any of the flip up front type helmets. So far, we can not find any fault with these designs as long as they are used according to the manufacturers instructions. We will also certify any size of helmet as long as it meets the same requirements as any other Snell certified helmet." OTOH, Snell's testing standards are not secret. The manufacturers could test their helmets on their own for Snell compliance. One wonders why the manufacturers are hesitant to "walk the plank"? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 12:46:29 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: The ride nearly ended before it began Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:48:49 -0400 Eric Confessed, "Even seeing the debris when I did, I had plenty of time to react and avoid - I just reacted poorly." Long John Counseled, "You may not have. One of the unique problems with bikes evading road debris is the need to counter steer to initiate a swerve. The result is your contact patch moves _into_the object you are trying to avoid before moving back in the direction of the swerve delaying the movement of the very thing you need to miss the debris with, your tire. As a result we really need clear vision of the road surface farther ahead then a cage." [Carl]: Another unique problem with single track vehicles is Target Fixation". You go where you look. So, when an object in the street is revealed by the cage ahead, your instinct is to look out of curiosity . . . and run over it. So, practice looking at the side of objects in the street (man holes, pot holes, cans, etc.) as the vehicle ahead passes over them. Then, the next time something nasty is in the road, you'll be less likely to swat it. Oh, yeah, following too close is a no-no -- almost as bad and riding in a cager's blind spot. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 14:25:30 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:18:34 -0400 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. At 09:31 AM 7/1/04 -0700, Fish Flowers wrote: >Does anyone other than Arai make a helmet shaped similarly to their >long-oval type? I'd guess I'm definitely a long oval, but a poor one. Shoei don't fit me in general for the same reason...not a round-head. I had a good fit with a Bell I got back in the early 80s...I hear they are back in business under their own name again and maybe they are still making them for the same head shape. The quality was pretty good... My H-D fill-face helmet fits me well too...but it was made by HJC, so perhaps you are more oval than I am. Or maybe HJC's helmets vary more by model than Shoei's do? I hear even Shoei has come out with a model for people who aren't round-heads, so perhaps other makers have various shapes in various models and you'll just have to go test-fit a few to see? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 14:26:34 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:26:23 EDT Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK, time to chime in with my .02 worth. I just recently bought an Icon Halo Mainframe helmet from _www.bikerszone.com_ (http://www.bikerszone.com) , seen here _http://www.bikerszone.com/product.asp?3=1333_ (http://www.bikerszone.com/product.asp?3=1333) , and I absolutely love it. I think the price was $172 with shipping. I've got an Arai RX7RR and the Icon fits almost exactly the same. Maybe even a little better. The ventilation is actually slightly better than the Arai but, when I open the chin vent, it whistles. :-0 The pads are held in place by snaps and are interchangeable. It also has nice little pockets to put speakers. As always MHO and YMMV. ;-) Scooter In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:43:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: Fish Flowers wrote: > Does anyone other than Arai make a helmet shaped similarly to their > long-oval type? I'd guess I'm definitely a long oval, but a poor one. I used an AGV "Flyer" for the last year and a half, before OGK sponsored us (VERY nice helmets, but very high-dollar). AGV's shell shape is similar to my Arai, and the helmet itself is pretty nice. It does not dig into my forehead like a Shoei or HJC and fits snug everywhere. - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 14:35:08 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:34:59 EDT Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/2004 9:41:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, judy.lafollette@XXXXXX writes: > The bike literally felt like I was using extreme braking, Sounds like water in the fluid to me (brake fluid is hydroscopic, it literally sucks water out of the air.) When the brake get hot the water boils expands and clamps the brake on. Give it a little time and the pressure bleeds down but leaves steam in the caliper so it is just like you have air in the line, no brakes at all. Then things cool down the water condenses back into a liquid and you have hydraulic pressure and brakes again. Until they get hot again... Bleed _fully_ that could mean disassembly of the caliper, at very least pushing the pistons back and inverting the caliper while bleeding to drain the water which will be at the bottom of the caliper. It does need to be fixed before you ride again, but you know that. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 14:40:01 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:44:42 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: The ride nearly ended before it began At 12:48 PM 7/1/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >[Carl]: Another unique problem with single track vehicles is Target >Fixation". You go where you look. That's the "level one" explanation, but it's not the whole truth, at least not according to what I learned in my Aikido training. Skip the rest of this if you are happy with the "don't look at it to avoid it" level of understanding. It's usually enough anyway. "The mind leads and the body follows" is one of the principles I was told, and discovered to be true, in the couple of years I was learning a little Aikido. Where you have your "mind" (your attention, your intentions) is where your body will tend to head, or at least be most prepared to go in terms of balance, muscle tensions, etc.. Where you look is normally where you have your attention, your mind, so the "you go where you look" thing works in most cases. It is very possible to have your eyes and your attention in different places though. Takes very little practice to do this. "Target fixation" comes more from where the "mind" is than from what you are looking at. That the two are usually the same makes it easy to confuse them. For riding purposes the only problem from such confusion might come if you point your eyes somewhere else, but your mind is still on the obstacle...in which case you are still "fixated" even though you aren't looking at it anymore. This is more than just "worrying about it" BTW. Such non-looking fixation isn't real likely, but it could happen, and being aware that it's the mind that's critical, not the eyes, can let you recognize and avoid it. Likewise, if you put your mind in some safe direction, away from the obstacle, you *can*, if you need to, keep looking at the obstacle without having any "target fixation" problems...you will be avoiding it just fine, and there may be times when keeping an eye on the problem might make avoiding it easier...so long as your mind is leading your body somewhere safe. Or maybe you just want to take a close look at it as you pass to see if it's really as bad as it looked from a distance. Keep your mind, your attention and intentions, off to one side and headed down the road and you can look at that pothole all you like to see if it's a killer or only a minor issue. Works for me anyway... >Oh, yeah, following too close is a no-no -- almost as bad and riding in a >cager's blind spot. Probably worse. Besides the road hazard appearing from under them problem you've also got the "I brake for hallucinations" thing to worry about, and if you are too close, you don't have many options...by the time you see the brake lights (if they are even working...), it may already be too late to react effectively...they are ahead of you on the velocity curve, and theirs may be steeper than yours to start with. The difference in your arrival time at your destination between tailgating dangerously and following at a safe distance is almost never more than 2-4 seconds. Following too closely might not get you there at all too. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 14:43:24 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:43:12 -0400 You're probably right. I love my older Shoei and may go ahead and get (or at least try) another. I may also check out the Nolan, as I really have come to like the flip face in the few times I've worn this one. I don't think I want to pay the higher price of the Shoei for that convenience, however. Perry >From: Brian Roach >To: Perry Coleman >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. >Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:12:52 -0400 > >Perry Coleman wrote: > >>I probably should have gotten the next larger size. It ends up pressing on >>the center of my forehead after a while. > >Just IMHO, it isn't the wrong size ... it's the wrong shape. > >Different manufacturers have different shell shapes. A Shoei (up to the >RF900 - I haven't tried on one of their helmets in a couple years), for >example, will do the same thing to me - they have a round shell shape and I >have an oval shaped head. If you got a bigger size, it wouldn't fit snug on >the side of your head. You could compensate with thicker cheek pads, but it >still wouldn't be a perfect fit. > >- Roach > >-- >http://www.speedwerks.com >The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! >(302) 672 - 7223 > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 14:45:33 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:44:38 -0400 Subject: Traffic court tmrw I'm going to traffic court in Arlington tomorrow. Back in May they got me doing 56 in a 40mph zone (Lee Hwy headed east, after the intersection with Bergmann's Cleaning west of N. Quinn St.) Perfect riding conditions, no traffic in sight before or after me, no threat to anyone's personal property (save my own)... Anyone been lately? Is 16 miles over the limit reckless driving in VA? What should I expect from the judge besides a 5-sec. hearing and 18 months of hard labor? Thanks, -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "I didn't think it *could* violate any laws, officer!" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 14:54:25 2004 Subject: RE: Traffic court tmrw Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:54:22 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Speeding in Virginia is deadly serious. You are not 20 above so you are NOT reckless. This is what you can expect and should do. - have your ID, driving record HANDY - Go to prosecutor before start time and see if they can plea bargain you down. Best they will do is half the speed - if you accept the plea-bargain, you go to court. Get a slip, pay your fine. Skip the next steps otherwise >> - go to court on time, wait, wait and wait some more. Depending on the last name of your officer, it could be three plus hours. You HAVE to be on time. El coppo can saunter in one plus hours late with no penalty - get hot and uncomfortable - get called. Don't BS the judge. Say I am good driver, mention that you are on road lots and have a good record. They will usually half your speed if you are polite. The last time this happened to a hypothetical buddy let's call him "J". J waited three plus hours, judge said would reduce 20 above to 9 above. J checks online and it ONLY reduced to 19 above. Insurance companies have software that periodically polls your driving record "SO as to offer you the BEST premium possible". Once these show up on your record, your premium gets adjusted UPWARDS..the next cycle. PAY , PAY, PAY......PAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele [mailto:sean@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:45 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Traffic court tmrw I'm going to traffic court in Arlington tomorrow. Back in May they got me doing 56 in a 40mph zone (Lee Hwy headed east, after the intersection with Bergmann's Cleaning west of N. Quinn St.) Perfect riding conditions, no traffic in sight before or after me, no threat to anyone's personal property (save my own)... Anyone been lately? Is 16 miles over the limit reckless driving in VA? What should I expect from the judge besides a 5-sec. hearing and 18 months of hard labor? Thanks, -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "I didn't think it *could* violate any laws, officer!" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:05:17 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:09:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: For the Harley folks here....not sure if others will care. Oh, and any with reading phobias, hit "delete" now...this isn't all that short. Sunday, after the ride back from Solomon's, a few of us were at dinner when my security alarm's pager went off. 2 seconds later I was looking out the window of the restaurant, and saw the lights flashing on my bike, but nobody was in the lot at all. Went out to investigate, but all I could find wrong was that one of the hose clamps that holds on the rear heat shield of the forward pipe was broken and hanging on the muffler. I find it hard to believe that that breaking could set off the alarm, but whatever...apparently it did. The clamp apparently broke after it was used as a skid plate a couple of times...part of the screw housing was worn away and had asphalt on it...so I can't blame it for the problem. ;-) Replacing it was a problem though. Battley's didn't have them...said they haven't sold one in over 2 years and don't stock them. Suggested Home Depot. Went to NAPA, Pep Boys...and Home Depot...no luck. They each had hose clamps, but none the right size, none the same quality H-D had used. I got a couple anyway, just in case. A web search turned up Breeze Power Seal clamps. Came in exactly the right size, stainless steel, even stainless steal screws and Mil Spec marking if you want them (the H-D ones had zinc-plated screws). A careful check of the broken one with a magnifier showed that it was in fact a Breeze Power Seal clamp. Sent an e-mail to Breeze inquiring about vendors. Got an answer back in under 24 hours pointing me to McMaster-Carr, and even giving me the part number there (Breeze gets my vote for top support of end-users, even though they only sell wholesale!). McMaster-Carr's web site is *really* well set up for on-line ordering...and they have thousands of products. Being a tool nut, I got more than the hose clamps...and the quality of the stuff seems quite good so far...I'll know more when I've used more of it. I told them to ship "best method" and it showed up next morning. Just put the new clamps on the bike...worked like a charm, as expected with original equipment copies. Only issue is that McMaster-Carr sells only in packs of 10. I'm sure I'll use them eventually, especially if I keep making tight turns at low speed, but at the moment, if anyone needs a couple, I have spares... Web sites for Breeze and McMaster-Carr are: http://www.breezeclamps.com/index.htm http://www.mcmaster.com/ If you need what they sell, my experience with both was excellent. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:07:43 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:07:12 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Traffic court tmrw Cc: Sean Steele , DC Cycles Virginia law on reckless driving because of speed alone (which I think is pure malarkey): )B§ 46.2-862. Exceeding speed limit. A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives a motor vehicle on the highways in the Commonwealth (i) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limit where the applicable speed limit is thirty miles per hour or less, (ii) at a speed of sixty miles per hour or more where the applicable maximum speed limit is thirty-five miles per hour, (iii) at a speed of twenty miles per hour or more in excess of the applicable maximum speed limits where the applicable maximum speed limit is forty miles per hour or more, or (iv) in excess of eighty miles per hour regardless of the applicable maximum speed limit. It is a Class I misdemeanor. With a clean record, I was given a chance to have it reduced to speeding alone upon successful completion of traffic school. On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:54:22 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Speeding in Virginia is deadly serious. You are not 20 above so you are > NOT reckless. > This is what you can expect and should do. > > - have your ID, driving record HANDY > > - Go to prosecutor before start time and see if they can plea bargain > you down. Best they will do is half the speed > > - if you accept the plea-bargain, you go to court. Get a slip, pay your > fine. Skip the next steps otherwise >> > > - go to court on time, wait, wait and wait some more. Depending on the > last name of your officer, it could be three plus hours. You HAVE to be > on time. El coppo can saunter in one plus hours late with no penalty > > - get hot and uncomfortable > > - get called. Don't BS the judge. Say I am good driver, mention that you > are on road lots and have a good record. They will usually half your > speed if you are polite. > > The last time this happened to a hypothetical buddy let's call him "J". > J waited three plus hours, judge said would reduce 20 above to 9 above. > J checks online and it ONLY reduced to 19 above. > > Insurance companies have software that periodically polls your driving > record "SO as to offer you the BEST premium possible". Once these show > up on your record, your premium gets adjusted UPWARDS..the next cycle. > > PAY , PAY, PAY......PAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Steele [mailto:sean@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:45 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Traffic court tmrw > > I'm going to traffic court in Arlington tomorrow. Back in May they got > me doing 56 in a 40mph zone (Lee Hwy headed east, after the intersection > with Bergmann's Cleaning west of N. Quinn St.) > > Perfect riding conditions, no traffic in sight before or after me, no > threat to anyone's personal property (save my own)... > > Anyone been lately? Is 16 miles over the limit reckless driving in VA? > What should I expect from the judge besides a 5-sec. hearing and 18 > months of hard labor? > > Thanks, > > -Sean > WAR-shington, DC > '92 "I didn't think it *could* violate any laws, officer!" Seca II > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:12:18 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Traffic court tmrw On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:54:22 -0400 > From: Julian Halton > To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Traffic court tmrw > > > > Speeding in Virginia is deadly serious. You are not 20 above so you are > NOT reckless. > This is what you can expect and should do. Note... it isn't quite as simple as just "20 over" http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-862 > - have your ID, driving record HANDY > Maybe have a copy of the above statute, and any other relevant bits handy too. And take a shower, dress nicely, etc. Attempt to look and act respectable. You can get a copy of your driving record off the VA DMV website: https://www.dmv.state.va.us/dmvnet/online.asp Also, if you make a couple calls, you might find it isn't too late to get representation if you feel you need it. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:12:44 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 15:16:30 -0400 To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Traffic court tmrw At 02:44 PM 7/1/04 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: >Anyone been lately? Is 16 miles over the limit reckless driving in VA? Back when I got my license in VA (mid 70s), it was 20 over to be automatically reckless driving. Rule at the time was that first offense was up to the judge, but on the second offense it was an automatic 1 year suspension in addition to whatever fines and jail time you got. Don't know what's changed in the law since then though, but I doubt 16 over on an otherwise empty road is going to be more than just "exceeding the posted limit" with a fine and, maybe, some points. Just a guess though...I've managed to avoid tickets for a long time now. >What should I expect from the judge besides a 5-sec. hearing and 18 >months of hard labor? If the speed was all that was involved, probably not more than a couple hours of beatings and maybe some electric prod work...oh, and the fine plus "court costs" of course. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:20:45 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:20:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Mike Bartman , Sean Steele , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Traffic court tmrw -----Original Message----- From: Mike Bartman If the speed was all that was involved, probably not more than a couple hours of beatings and maybe some electric prod work...oh, and the fine plus "court costs" of course. ;-) -- Mike B. ----- "Court costs" harrumph. Someone known to me, let's call him "P," received a ticket for ten-over in the Cornhusker State. Fine $25, court costs $42.50. $42.50 for basically opening an envelope and cashing a check, should "P" elect to admit guilt and cough up, which is looking pretty likely. A query for the members of the bar on this list: why is there not a "nolo contendere" plea on these civil infractions? Somehow that would make me feel better. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:21:09 2004 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 12:20:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Sounds like water in the fluid to me (brake fluid is hydroscopic, it > literally sucks water out of the air.) "Hygroscopic", maybe? 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:22:03 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Paul Wilson'" , "'Mike Bartman'" , "'Sean Steele'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Traffic court tmrw Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:22:05 -0400 That's nothing. Got nabbed in NC for 13 over. $110 court costs, $25 ticket. What's the point of fighting that... -Jim ----- "Court costs" harrumph. Someone known to me, let's call him "P," received a ticket for ten-over in the Cornhusker State. Fine $25, court costs $42.50. $42.50 for basically opening an envelope and cashing a check, should "P" elect to admit guilt and cough up, which is looking pretty likely. A query for the members of the bar on this list: why is there not a "nolo contendere" plea on these civil infractions? Somehow that would make me feel better. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 15:30:14 2004 Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 15:30:07 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: , I can second this opinion. I have the exact same helmet after my last one had a very interesting close conversation with the hood of an SUV (ahh, left turners). I think it represents a bargain in terms of price, and was actually more comfortable than my Suomy which was almost twice the price. I notice that it's a bit noisy but that's easily solved with an ipod or ear plugs. I could use a few more vents in the summer heat (especially those nice visor vents on the Arai's) but for the money I would have no problems recommending the same helmet. Plus it has the name of my fave video game, hard not to recommend.. > -----Original Message----- > From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:26 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. > > OK, time to chime in with my .02 worth. I just recently > bought an Icon Halo Mainframe helmet from > _www.bikerszone.com_ (http://www.bikerszone.com) , seen here > _http://www.bikerszone.com/product.asp?3=1333_ > (http://www.bikerszone.com/product.asp?3=1333) , and I > absolutely love it. I think the price was $172 > with shipping. I've got an Arai RX7RR and the Icon fits > almost exactly the > same. Maybe even a little better. The ventilation is > actually slightly better than the Arai but, when I open the > chin vent, it whistles. :-0 The pads are held in place by > snaps and are interchangeable. It also has nice little > pockets to put speakers. As always MHO and YMMV. ;-) > > Scooter > > In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:43:10 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > Fish Flowers wrote: > > > Does anyone other than Arai make a helmet shaped similarly > to their > > long-oval type? I'd guess I'm definitely a long oval, but > a poor one. > > I used an AGV "Flyer" for the last year and a half, before > OGK sponsored us (VERY nice helmets, but very high-dollar). > AGV's shell shape is similar to my Arai, and the helmet > itself is pretty nice. It does not dig into my forehead like > a Shoei or HJC and fits snug everywhere. > > - Roach > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > (302) 672 - 7223 > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 16:03:23 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: [SV650_BALT_DC] Saturday Rideouts!!! Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:03:15 -0400 Anyone up for a ride? >From: Nathan Wills >Reply-To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX >To: SV650_BALT_DC@XXXXXX >Subject: [SV650_BALT_DC] Saturday Rideouts!!! >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:03:33 -0700 (PDT) > >Weather looks good for Sat, whoever is in for the rideout just reply to me >with Name, Bike, and Bike color. I will give a final tally of the >included bikes and riders Friday night. > >9:30am at Circut City, Tysons Mall >Loudoun County Loop, brisk/not race, 125 miles plus... Will have lunch >stop, and breakoff points. > >Nate >04 SV650S > >Nathan Wills wrote: >Alright guys/ladies, I am going to try to schedule Saturday rides every >weekend that the weather is nice from here on out. This is not going to be >particular to any bike type, and not an all out race through the twisties, >they however will be brisk, and more organized as I go through it a couple >times. There will be strategically timed stops for >bathroom/lunch/fuel/rest. Please come fueled up and ready to ride. > >Heres the deal. I will post the same title, hopefully by Wednesday or >Thursday of every week, and let everyone know where the ride is going. This >week is is going to be Western Loudoun county Virginia. It will be a loop >(probably 100 miles plus). Meeting start place will always be Tysons Corner >Mall, in the rear by Circut City. Meeting time will be 9:30am, and we'll be >out at 10:00 am. Please email nate_97blacktj@XXXXXX to join the list (so >I can account for everyone), and you can get my cell phone number as well. >Hope to get some people on deck for tomorrow. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 17:25:23 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:25:28 -0400 From: Skip CC: Judy La Follette , "<" Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? as a former cage wrench, I agree also with this assessment. full disassembly of the rear brake system would be prudent at this juncture. --skip Brian Roach wrote: > > I completely agree with this assessment. More than likely the piston in > the rear caliper didn't retract the last time you used it (any number of > reasons - worn seal, obstruction, etc) and the pad was dragging on the > rotor. > > - Roach > > garcia oliver wrote: > > > Sounds like your r-brake was dragging (for unknown reasons), overheated > > and locked up. The heat boiled your brake fluid (or water in the fluid) > > producing vapor bubbles which compress easily but don't tranfer much > > pressure from the brake pedal. So no brake until temp drops below boiling > > point. > > > > I'd suggest disassembling the rear caliper to fix whatever caused the > > initial lock-up. > > > > --garcia > > > > > > -- > http://www.speedwerks.com > The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! > (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 17:28:41 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:28:32 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: More Key Issues I returned from another work trip last night, and I see my newly cut keys operate the iginition fine, but the seat/helmet lock won't turn at all. I have tried WD-40, sitting on the seat, wiggling the key and everything else I can think of. Next step is having Honda replace the lock or boring out the lock all together. That would negate the seat lock and any safe under-seat storage. My real problem is that I can't ride the bike much further than the dealership as the seat pan is still locked to the bike but not secured. (Long story, but searching for the keys I pulled the seat part way off and unscrewed the latches) Ideas? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 17:36:07 2004 Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:40:57 -0400 To: Troutman , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More Key Issues At 05:28 PM 7/1/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >I returned from another work trip last night, and I see my newly cut keys >operate the iginition fine, but the seat/helmet lock won't turn at all. I >Ideas? Either the seat lock is broken/jammed, or the new keys aren't *exactly* like the originals. (I'm presuming that the old keys worked both ignition and seat). Locksmith? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 17:46:35 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: [SV650_BALT_DC] Saturday Rideouts!!! Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 17:46:22 -0400 > Anyone up for a ride? Absolutely! But the thought of riding from Sterling to Tyson's (normal commute - the bike knows the way and can do it without me) only to turn around and head back to Sterling seems silly. How 'bout a Loudoun County rally point to pick up riders that are west of Tyson's? If I knew your preferred route out of Tyson's, I could suggest a suitable meeting spot to pick up riders - sort of a ride in slowly, new riders tag on to the end of the line, and ride back out sort of thing. Definitely not a long stop. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 18:13:45 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: More Key Issues Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:12:49 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7959fbffa9be323b12c82c8bd19ff511d5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Mike, If you've got more than one 'spare', take one key and file the edges down a bit on the key. I had trouble duplicating the factory Kaw key exactly as you mention. I make the key monkey keep fiddling with the spare until the lock operated ignition, tank and seat keys. make sure the keys are free of debris and filings before inserting the key in the key hole. You may be able to make them work with just the wire wheel. You're on the scene, you be the judge. last resort, a little oil on the key may do the trick... HTH Dave > At 05:28 PM 7/1/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >I returned from another work trip last night, and I see my newly cut keys > >operate the iginition fine, but the seat/helmet lock won't turn at all. I > > >Ideas? > > Either the seat lock is broken/jammed, or the new keys aren't *exactly* > like the originals. (I'm presuming that the old keys worked both ignition > and seat). > > Locksmith? > > > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 18:23:13 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 18:23:01 EDT Subject: Re: Temporary TOTAL rear brake failure, but WHY??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/2004 3:21:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: > "Hygroscopic", maybe? 8;) Maybe. #8-/ Good catch, thanks. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 18:58:08 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'Troutman '" , "'DC Cycles '" Subject: RE: More Key Issues Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:00:16 -0400 Some key points to remember are: - the pins in the tumblers are one sided; they only use one side of the key at a time, so taking the key out and turning it 180* uses a different cut on the key - the tank and seat only use like half the pins of the ignition (something like 4?) so the fact that the iggy works but the others don't is suspect. If'n you get the gas cap open, look at the code stamped underneath it and note the last 3 places (e.g. A68) and match that to the code you got off the iggy. Hopefully, they match. HTH Mike -----Original Message----- From: Troutman To: DC Cycles Sent: 7/1/2004 5:28 PM Subject: More Key Issues I returned from another work trip last night, and I see my newly cut keys operate the iginition fine, but the seat/helmet lock won't turn at all. I have tried WD-40, sitting on the seat, wiggling the key and everything else I can think of. Next step is having Honda replace the lock or boring out the lock all together. That would negate the seat lock and any safe under-seat storage. My real problem is that I can't ride the bike much further than the dealership as the seat pan is still locked to the bike but not secured. (Long story, but searching for the keys I pulled the seat part way off and unscrewed the latches) Ideas? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 19:57:03 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 19:56:52 EDT Subject: Re: The ride nearly ended before it began To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 6/30/2004 7:01:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Sort of like a "sport/tourer"? A compromise that can do both, but not > quite as well as one purpose-built for either use? Yep. And while the TLR200 has a saddle (like all trials bikes did when I started riding in the dirt) it is small, hard, and would be painfull on all but the shortest errands. BUT! Cage in the way? Bump. Thump. cage behind you with a tire track down its middle #:-) Elevator out of service? Walk up 10 floors? Hell no. Bump, Bump, Bump, Bump, Bump, Bump, Bump, Bump, 10th floor! Yea I could have fun on that bike. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 1 23:48:26 2004 From: "John White" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Holographic Visors Yes or No? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:36:31 -0400 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 23:36:32 -0400 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original I don't know, I've just started seeing a few of them. I saw one the other day that looked like the Joker and I thought it was unique. I liked the way it hid the rider's identity. Plus, the killer like grin added a nice touch. What do you all think? Besides the cost and lack of any other value except for aesthetics are they cool or do they scream SQUID? John 2002 Yamaha YZF600R Been riding for seven months Taking the MSF course in a week :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 03:20:14 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 00:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Subject: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have been using my bike as a commuter tool from Arlington to Bethesda. Wednesday night I noticed my pipe was spattered with almost luminescent spots....think Lewinsky's dress. Okay, get out the Honda spray wax\polish ..no joy. Get out the scrub pad and half an hour of elbow grease no joy. I cannot help but wonder if this is deliberate. Tonight...commute up to Bethesda, park in the usual space of Woodmont. Circa 2AM....start bike, get on bike. Bike feels sluggish. Is it me? Am I exhausted? Keep going...steering is mushy. I am thinking front tire. I try a few tests and it seems alignment is off. Drive down to Canal Road....get up to 60 and realize problemo is grande. Tired, mad, stop at gas station before G-towne. Rear tire is down to nothing air. The pump is of course broken. What next? Gimp across the Key Bridge, put enough air in tire to get me to office on North Glebe. Park bike. Notice huge nail in tire? Foul Play??? A night's work down the tubes..maybe more if my wheel is effed! I won't be parking my bike there any more regardless. So now I get to ask you guys....and gals...what's the correct procedure when you get a flat in the middle of nowhere late at night? Is it bad for the bike to ride with low pressure in the tire? As I type this my neighbor is playing the same strains of music I have heard 1000 plus times at all hours of the day and night. My new philosophy of what goes around comes around wants to be replaced with HULK SMASH!!!! I have had a lot of questions about my bike from customers and fellow co-workers. As I am a Bethesda outsider, I cannot help but suspect malicious action as the locals know that R6 in the gargage belongs to me. What should I do tomorrow with bike? Should I gimp it to gas station...block and half away, pump up tire and gimp to Colemans..or does anyone have a better recommendation. Can a pipe be polished out. Thanks all, and know that your e-mails have helped me this evening to remain calm, not spaz out, and prevent myself from calling down Crom and the other gods of war on my enemies..which lately appear to be everywhere. = __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 04:30:46 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 04:30:40 -0400 From: Skip Smith To: John White CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Holographic Visors Yes or No? just because it screams squid doesn't mean it's not cool. saw a guy the other morning on a yellow sportbike. he hits the gas to squirt diagonally between a truck and a car, and it gets wobbly on him. he recovers, and pulls a wheelie. sigh. John White wrote: > > I don't know, I've just started seeing a few of them. I saw one the other > day that looked like the Joker and I thought it was unique. I liked the way > it hid the rider's identity. Plus, the killer like grin added a nice touch. > > What do you all think? Besides the cost and lack of any other value except > for aesthetics are they cool or do they scream SQUID? > > John > 2002 Yamaha YZF600R > Been riding for seven months > Taking the MSF course in a week :) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 07:57:48 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:57:37 EDT Subject: Re: The ride nearly ended before it began To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/2004 12:46:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Carl.Custer@XXXXXX writes: > [Carl]: Another unique problem with single track vehicles is Target > Fixation". You go where you look. So, when an object in the street is > revealed by the cage ahead, your instinct is to look out of curiosity . . . > and run over it. I can testify to that one... After years of dirt biking and woods competition I have lots of experience with it and can guarantee that if you look at the ______ (stump, rock, hole, other bike, fill in the blank) you _will_ hit it. There is nothing that scares an MSF instructor more then having a student lose control while staring at them. But target fixation is not just a bike thing, it can and does happen with any vehicle, the big bad bike scares them, they stare at the bike, they hit the bike. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 08:10:16 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:10:04 EDT Subject: Re: For the Harley folks here....not sure if others will care. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/2004 3:05:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > McMaster-Carr's web site is *really* well set up for on-line ordering...and > they have thousands of products. Being a tool nut, I got more than the > hose clamps. Oh lordy, another tool source bookmarked :-( Thanks John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 08:10:22 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 05:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: Julian , dc-cycles@XXXXXX this won't be the first nail you pick up in a rear tire. my bet is NO foul play. if the rear holds air, no biggie riding it with low pressure to colemans (or some establishment more worthy of your business). what material is the pipe made of? "never dull" will likely work for you. --- Julian wrote: > I have been using my bike as a commuter tool from > Arlington to Bethesda. Wednesday night I noticed my > pipe was spattered with almost luminescent > spots....think Lewinsky's dress. > Okay, get out the Honda spray wax\polish ..no joy. Get > out the scrub pad and half an hour of elbow grease no > joy. I cannot help but wonder if > this is deliberate. > > Tonight...commute up to Bethesda, park in the usual > space of Woodmont. > Circa 2AM....start bike, get on bike. Bike feels > sluggish. Is it me? > Am I exhausted? Keep going...steering is mushy. I am > thinking front > tire. I try a few tests and it seems alignment is > off. Drive down to Canal Road....get up to 60 and > realize problemo is grande. Tired, mad, > stop at gas station before G-towne. Rear tire is down > to nothing air. > The pump is of course broken. What next? Gimp across > the Key Bridge, put enough air in tire to get me to > office on North Glebe. Park bike. Notice huge nail in > tire? Foul Play??? > > A night's work down the tubes..maybe more if my wheel > is effed! I won't > be parking my bike there any more regardless. So now I > get to ask you > guys....and gals...what's the correct procedure when > you get a flat in > the middle of nowhere late at night? Is it bad for > the bike to ride > with low pressure in the tire? > > As I type this my neighbor is playing the same strains > of music I have > heard 1000 plus times at all hours of the day and > night. My new > philosophy of what goes around comes around wants to > be replaced with > HULK SMASH!!!! I have had a lot of questions about my > bike from > customers and fellow co-workers. > As I am a Bethesda outsider, I cannot help but suspect > malicious action > as the locals know that R6 in the gargage belongs to > me. > > What should I do tomorrow with bike? Should I gimp it > to gas > station...block and half away, pump up tire and gimp > to Colemans..or > does anyone have a better recommendation. Can a pipe > be polished out. > > Thanks all, and know that your e-mails have helped me > this evening to > remain calm, not spaz out, and prevent myself from > calling down Crom and > the other gods of war on my enemies..which lately > appear to be > everywhere. > = __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 08:18:27 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:18:17 EDT Subject: Re: More Key Issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/2004 5:29:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I returned from another work trip last night, and I see my newly cut keys > operate the iginition fine, but the seat/helmet lock won't turn at all. Things may have changed BUT! The dealers _used_ to be able to take the key/lock number and cut a key for you on the spot using kind of a "nibbler." It was/is a simple hand tool with a dial arrangement that sets the depth of each "nibble." Each notch is cut independently based on the lock number. _Check around_, the trick (assuming this can still be done at all) will be finding a shop that was willing to buy the tool and knows how to use it. Good luck John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 08:54:07 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:53:58 EDT Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2004 8:10:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > this won't be the first nail you pick up in a rear tire. Buy a cheap air compressor or even just a bicycle type tire pump and keep it at the house. (This would also take care of your immediate problem) Home is where you are most often going to find the tire low because most leaks will be slow and you are more likely to check it there. Without getting into the do/do not do argument, I carry a plug kit and a CO2 type "pump" but of course you first need a place to keep it so it may not work for you. After having my bike "fiddled" with (silly shit, I assume kids) several times at work I installed an alarm system. That could help, but is of course no guarantee. Story alert! Story alert! Story alert! I went out to my _black_ bike once upon a time and there were white paint splotches up the saddle bags, over the tank, and between the steering stem and fairing looked like someone had shaken a paint brush at the side of the bike. PISSED ME OFF! There was a construction site nearby, not close enough for it to be an accident, but close enough for some smart ass to pull a "prank." I started to clean the spots off while they were still somewhat soft , cussing, and looking for someone to blame all the while. Then I started to notice something odd. There was something familiar about some of the spots. They looked kind of like.... They were! Tracks! Animal tracks! Squirrel tracks! I have never figured out exactly what happened but clearly a squirrel had walked through some paint at the construction site, and then had climbed up and over my bike leaving little white footprints from end to end. Damn squirrels! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:13:15 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:13:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike At 03:20 AM 7/2/2004, Julian wrote: >.what's the correct procedure when >you get a flat in >the middle of nowhere late at night? Is it bad for >the bike to ride >with low pressure in the tire? Buy a mushroom or strip kit - basically a rubber plug or strip of rubber (http://www.woodking.com/autotools/4_04.htm) and an emergency air kit that uses CO2 and a valve to refill the patched tire. I keep a full assortment under the seat. You bore out the hole the nail left with a round rasp, then push the plug in from the outside and twist it. Once the tire heats up it is locked in place forever. If the hole is on the riding patch, fix and forget it. If it is sidewall, replace immediately. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:13:26 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:13:10 EDT Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Yeah, I can't stand the little buggers either. My sister lives in Harpers Ferry (in the woods, on top of a mountain) and they are EVERYWHERE. The had her cornered in her house one time last summer. Some at the front door and some at the back. She has come up with different ways of dealing with them but, my bro-in-law won't let her. :-) For example, she has a window box with plants in it that they can get to by leaping off of the railing. She wants to put sharpened stakes around the edges so that they impale themselves when they leap. Then leave the carcasses there as a warning. hehe She wanted a .22 but, another no-no. I suggested a paintball gun. I know those suckers hurt on people, can you imagine what they could do to a squirrel? Plus, you could use different colors for different days. If you see a multi-colored squirrel, he's a repeat offender. LOL Anyway, most I've had is a cat walk across my bike and leave foot prints. :-) Scooter In a message dated 7/2/2004 8:54:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: I have never figured out exactly what happened but clearly a squirrel had walked through some paint at the construction site, and then had climbed up and over my bike leaving little white footprints from end to end. Damn squirrels! John Walters (Long John) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:15:31 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:15:25 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: More Key Issues At 08:18 AM 7/2/2004, you wrote: >The dealers _used_ to be able to take the key/lock number and cut a key for >you on the spot using kind of a "nibbler." It was/is a simple hand tool >with a >dial arrangement that sets the depth of each "nibble." Each notch is cut >independently based on the lock number. >_Check around_, the trick (assuming this can still be done at all) will be >finding a shop that was willing to buy the tool and knows how to use it. I actually pulled the ignition last week to get the key code. PITA. The keys they cut for me work fine on ignition and tank, just not the seat. My original key operated all 3. I tried a wire brush to take the new off the key, but no joy. I think the lock is just jammed. I'm headed to Honda tomorrow to just get a new lock if they can't un-hinkie the old one. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:17:04 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:16:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike At 08:53 AM 7/2/2004, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >I have never figured out exactly what happened but clearly a squirrel had >walked through some paint at the construction site, and then had climbed >up and >over my bike leaving little white footprints from end to end. In the news this week - a woman was getting upset that someone was stealing her yellow ribbons in the front yard. Turned out to be a squirrel. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:33:16 2004 Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:33:06 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Julian" , I had a tire go flat while riding through Amarillo. By the time I had identified the cause of the steering problem as a soft rear tire and had slowed to move to the shoulder, the tire was so flat it broke the bead seal and I was riding on an aluminum rim with a band of rubber lossely flopping around it. Be careful riding even short distances, if the tire is really flat you may find yourself with a real control problem... ;-/ If it is holding air, but is low, use your best judgement. It's one thing to have to replace a tire, but a new wheel is a whoooole new level of pain. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 8:10 AM To: Julian; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike this won't be the first nail you pick up in a rear tire. my bet is NO foul play. if the rear holds air, no biggie riding it with low pressure to colemans (or some establishment more worthy of your business). what material is the pipe made of? "never dull" will likely work for you. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:41:27 2004 Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:41:18 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Troutman" , I carry a similar tool, which I have been lucky enough not to have to use (cue frantic knocking sounds); http://www.whitehorsepress.com/product.asp?id=tpgk When I'm not on the bike, I carry it in the Jeep. I also have a JC Whitney (I think) tire inflator that runs off of a lighter plug connection, slow but when I tested it, it does the job. All bets are off if the tire bead is broken, it takes a fair amount of rapid pressure to reseat the bead (or more patience then I have). I've been looking at the tire inflators used by bicycle riders, as my mountain bike isn't wired for 12V I carry a hand pump, but the CO2 cartridge system looks to be pretty compact. Anyone have any experience with these inflators? I've seen shops that carry a version labelled Big Air that looks ideal for a motorcycle tire. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike At 03:20 AM 7/2/2004, Julian wrote: >.what's the correct procedure when >you get a flat in >the middle of nowhere late at night? Is it bad for >the bike to ride >with low pressure in the tire? Buy a mushroom or strip kit - basically a rubber plug or strip of rubber (http://www.woodking.com/autotools/4_04.htm) and an emergency air kit that uses CO2 and a valve to refill the patched tire. I keep a full assortment under the seat. You bore out the hole the nail left with a round rasp, then push the plug in from the outside and twist it. Once the tire heats up it is locked in place forever. If the hole is on the riding patch, fix and forget it. If it is sidewall, replace immediately. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:43:21 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Verde, Robert'" , "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:43:23 -0400 I've used the CO2 ones on a bike. They work well, but the CO2 container would have to be considerably bigger for a motorcycle. One container can fill one bike tire in my experience. Also not sure if I want a big CO2 container on my bike if I fall... :) -----Original Message----- From: Verde, Robert [mailto:Robert.Verde@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:41 AM To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike I carry a similar tool, which I have been lucky enough not to have to use (cue frantic knocking sounds); http://www.whitehorsepress.com/product.asp?id=tpgk When I'm not on the bike, I carry it in the Jeep. I also have a JC Whitney (I think) tire inflator that runs off of a lighter plug connection, slow but when I tested it, it does the job. All bets are off if the tire bead is broken, it takes a fair amount of rapid pressure to reseat the bead (or more patience then I have). I've been looking at the tire inflators used by bicycle riders, as my mountain bike isn't wired for 12V I carry a hand pump, but the CO2 cartridge system looks to be pretty compact. Anyone have any experience with these inflators? I've seen shops that carry a version labelled Big Air that looks ideal for a motorcycle tire. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike At 03:20 AM 7/2/2004, Julian wrote: >.what's the correct procedure when >you get a flat in >the middle of nowhere late at night? Is it bad for the bike to ride >with low pressure in the tire? Buy a mushroom or strip kit - basically a rubber plug or strip of rubber (http://www.woodking.com/autotools/4_04.htm) and an emergency air kit that uses CO2 and a valve to refill the patched tire. I keep a full assortment under the seat. You bore out the hole the nail left with a round rasp, then push the plug in from the outside and twist it. Once the tire heats up it is locked in place forever. If the hole is on the riding patch, fix and forget it. If it is sidewall, replace immediately. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:48:05 2004 Subject: Can a wheel take being ridden on at all? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:48:02 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Verde, Robert" , "Tom Gimer" , "Julian" , Last night I rode with an almost three quarter flat about five miles. Is my wheel hosed? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:55:28 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:55:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "Verde,Robert" , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike -----Original Message----- From: "Verde, Robert" U, I'm not paying 50 cents for air" pay air pumps. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:58:00 2004 From: Daniel To: Troutman Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: More Key Issues Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:57:27 -0400 Have you tried moving the seat up and down and putting weight on the seat, and then turning the lock? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 09:58:01 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 06:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Can a wheel take being ridden on at all? To: DC Cycles The wheel itself is probably fine, but the tire could be hosed. 5 miles? I'd think about a new one. Look at the wheel - Any sign of grinding or chunks on the edge next to the tire? If it's clean & looks like it was new, you're probably just fine. --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Last night I rode with an almost three quarter flat > about five miles. Is > my wheel hosed? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:22:22 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Bike Stolen. X-Virus-Checked: Checked Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 left my driveway. For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not have insurance on the bike. I think I may die now. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:22:41 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 2 Jul 2004 14:21:06 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:22:29 -0500 Subject: Which kit do you recommend? (was: Getting flat...) ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman > ...Buy a mushroom or strip kit - basically a rubber plug or strip of rubber > (http://www.woodking.com/autotools/4_04.htm)... Which of their kits did you buy? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:29:57 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:29:47 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Fish Flowers" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Oh, man, that really sucks. Very sorry to hear about the theftage, Fish. Care to share the license number, so the list can cast an extra glance at black DL650s? They aren't that common out there. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:22 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Bike Stolen. Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 left my driveway. For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not have insurance on the bike. I think I may die now. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:30:14 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Which kit do you recommend? (was: Getting flat...) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:30:06 -0400 I bought the BMW kit a couple years ago, and IIRC, it was pretty reasonably priced and had the plugs, adhesive, tool, and a couple cans of CO2. Give Jeff Conlin a call. I believe he's now at Bob's in Jessup. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Which kit do you recommend? (was: Getting flat...) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 09:22:29 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman > ...Buy a mushroom or strip kit - basically a rubber plug or strip of rubber > (http://www.woodking.com/autotools/4_04.htm)... Which of their kits did you buy? -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:32:06 2004 From: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:31:59 -0400 > > From: Fish Flowers > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 10:22:15 EDT > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Bike Stolen. > > Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 > left my driveway. > > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not > have insurance on the bike. > > I think I may die now. > > Fish. > OH SHIT! And no INSURANCE??? Double SHIT! Damn I'm sorry to hear that man. Jeezus. Bike thieves should be caught and shot on sight. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:32:57 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > Care to share the license number, so the list can cast an extra glance > at black DL650s? They aren't that common out there. *bitter laughter* No tags. I hadn't gotten around to registering and tagging it yet, as I've been limping along on the old Frankenbike GS500. Thus no insurance. I have the day off; I was going to go register and title it today. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:33:56 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:34:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Which kit do you recommend? (was: Getting flat...) My wife bought me mine at Galyans a couple of years ago. It looks a lot like these kits : http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=tire+flat+co2+kit&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&tab=wf&cat=153 Unfortunately all of the froogle links to shop.com are dead, but the pictures give a good idea. At 10:22 AM 7/2/2004, David Blumgart wrote: > > ...Buy a mushroom or strip kit - basically a rubber plug or strip of > rubber > > (http://www.woodking.com/autotools/4_04.htm)... > >Which of their kits did you buy? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:35:57 2004 From: To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: RE: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:35:50 -0400 > > From: Fish Flowers > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 10:32:51 EDT > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > > > Care to share the license number, so the list can cast an extra glance > > at black DL650s? They aren't that common out there. > > *bitter laughter* > > No tags. I hadn't gotten around to registering and tagging it yet, as I've > been limping along on the old Frankenbike GS500. Thus no insurance. > > I have the day off; I was going to go register and title it today. > how long *gulp* did you own the bike? Did you pay cash? Most finance companies would require insurance. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:37:31 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:37:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:31:59 -0400 > From: adamme1@XXXXXX > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. > > > > > > From: Fish Flowers > > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 10:22:15 EDT > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Bike Stolen. > > > > Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 > > left my driveway. > > > > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not > > have insurance on the bike. > > > > I think I may die now. > > > > Fish. > > > > OH SHIT! And no INSURANCE??? Double SHIT! Damn I'm > sorry to hear that man. Jeezus. Bike thieves should be > caught and shot on sight. > shoot'n's too good for 'em. Sorry to hear about the bike. And really sorry to hear on the insurance. It reminds me that I need to call my agent - I got a letter from them recently saying that since I've been good lately, and have had coverage for a while, they could look at lowering my rates - of course, I sign the thing, send it back and my monthly bill is 175% of normal this time around. New Math, and all that. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:38:51 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:27:27 -0400 Damn, dude. I'm so sorry. Throw out some details (Tag, VIN #, accessories, etc.) so we can keep an eye out for it. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 left my driveway. For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not have insurance on the bike. I think I may die now. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:48:30 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:48:21 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Fish Flowers" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Wow. Let me know when I can buy you a beer, it sounds like you could sure use one. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:33 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > Care to share the license number, so the list can cast an extra glance > at black DL650s? They aren't that common out there. *bitter laughter* No tags. I hadn't gotten around to registering and tagging it yet, as I've been limping along on the old Frankenbike GS500. Thus no insurance. I have the day off; I was going to go register and title it today. Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:59:13 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 07:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Stolen Bike To: DC Cycles Fish - How long did you have the bike for? A couple of days? If so, you might still be covered. My insurance agent has always told me that there's a couple of days grace period after the purchase. Buy the vehicle, then contact them to get it added to the policy. Of course, as far as I know, there's no requirement to have registration or even title to get insurance. In fact, I think you have to have proof of insurance before you can get it registered.... Man, that sucks. Hope they recover it. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 10:59:58 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Julian" , Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:02:18 -0400 > Wednesday night I noticed my > pipe was spattered with almost luminescent > spots....think Lewinsky's dress. I cannot help but wonder if > this is deliberate. R6? Nope, not me. > Notice huge nail in > tire? Foul Play??? Nail? Again, not me. > Is it bad for > the bike to ride > with low pressure in the tire? It's bad for the tire. It's bad for the bike if you fall down. It's bad for the rim if it is really low. > As I type this my neighbor is playing the same strains > of music I have heard 1000 plus times at all hours of the day and > night. I ordered some new CDs. I hope you like them. > block and half away, pump up tire and gimp > to Colemans..or > does anyone have a better recommendation. In all seriousness, my super-duper bicycle pump does a great job on my m/c tires. It's a high-volume MTB pump from a bike shop...about $20. It saves me the huge PITA of finding a gas station in Arlington with compressed air. > Can a pipe > be polished out. Yes. Many automotive and household metal polishes out there work well. > ...my enemies..which lately > appear to be > everywhere. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 11:01:28 2004 From: "richard sandwich" To: viffermaniac@XXXXXX, Robert.Verde@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:50:05 -0400 You can get the same-type kit at Trash Auto (Advanced Auto, these days) for about 10 bucks. Maybe not as nice, but if it has a plug and a rasp, it would do the trick. Don't know what kind of bikes you guys ride, but if you have storage, a can of Fix-a-Flat is pretty handy. I don't have a nice bike, i.e., one that requires $150 tires, therefore I have a policy of not riding my bikes with a plugged tire. If I use the Fix-a-Flat, it takes care of the problem in the short term, I don't feel bad riding around for a few days on the tire, then I get it replaced. Some would argue about the dangers of riding on Fix-a-Flat-inflated tires, but again, I said it's a short-term solution. Take care >From: Paul Wilson >Reply-To: Paul Wilson >To: "Verde,Robert" , Troutman , > dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike >Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:55:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Verde, Robert" >I carry a similar tool, which I have been lucky enough not to have to use >(cue frantic knocking sounds); >http://www.whitehorsepress.com/product.asp?id=tpgk > >When I'm not on the bike, I carry it in the Jeep. I also have a JC Whitney >(I think) tire inflator that runs off of a lighter plug connection, slow >but when I tested it, it does the job. All bets are off if the tire bead >is broken, it takes a fair amount of rapid pressure to reseat the bead (or >more patience then I have). > >---- >Robert > >------ > >Similar to Robert, I bought a $10 12V pump at Wally-World and it goes with >me on trips. I think it was branded "Campbell-Hausfeld." I removed the >innards and threw away the plastic case. While mainly intending to use it >for emergencies, I used it a couple of times on my trip. I find it easier >to air up first thing in the morning that way, esp. if I'm not getting gas >right away, or the gas station has one of the those "F U, I'm not >paying 50 cents for air" pay air pumps. > > > >Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org >95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 11:04:08 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Fish Flowers Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. Cc: DC-Cycles -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > Care to share the license number, so the list can cast an extra glance > at black DL650s? They aren't that common out there. *bitter laughter* No tags. I hadn't gotten around to registering and tagging it yet, as I've been limping along on the old Frankenbike GS500. Thus no insurance. I have the day off; I was going to go register and title it today. Fish. -------------- That sucks, verily. I hope this will not be taken as Monday morning quarterbacking, Fish, but whenever I purchase a vehicle, that puppy's on my insurance before I take delivery, regardless of whether it will be plying the public ways right away or not. Case in point, with the KLR, it was on my insurance (and faxed insurance card in my hands) *before* I went to see the PO, money changed hands, etc. I got the VIN and other necessary information in advance. Remember the *primary* function of insurance is to protect your assets by pooling risk with other policyholders. The state's/lender's requirements are a distant second. I've reached the ripe old age of 39 with enough weird stuff happening to me that "going bare" is not compatible with my comfort zone. I would call bike thieves pond scum, but that's way too far up the evolutionary ladder for them. Paul in DC, whose middle name might as well be "Murphy" Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 11:42:12 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. X-Virus-Checked: Checked Thanks, all, for the kind words, and also for the admonishing slaps. I've owned the bike for longer than the 30 days that State Farm will cover. At least in Maryland, State Farm requires you to register and title the bike before they'll insure, and Maryland requires you to have a bill of sale and certificate of origin before they'll title. It took awhile for Romney to get me the bill of sale, and then when I went to the MVA (last week) to finally get this done, the MVA bounced me because I didn't have the _original_ bill of sale. Well, Romney sent me the original bill of sale, which I received on Tuesday or Wednesday. So, today was to be the day of the great Title-register-insure-tag trip. Gah. Homeowner's won't cover the loss, alas. The (actually rather nice) PGPD officer just left. Apparently he's also a bike enthusiast and used to race dirt bikes, so we commiserated a bit. He gives me low odds of getting it back, and even then it'll likely be trashed. Woo! I think I'll go have a beer. Or maybe some scotch. I've got some Johnny Walker Blue I've been saving... So, anyway. Unless I can cobble together another functioning GS500 by Monday, I may be making yet another trip out to Romney. Assuming my bank will issue me another loan, that is... Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 11:49:47 2004 Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:49:45 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Daniel H. Brown" , "DC-Cycles" Shootings too good for them I agree. So sorry Fish. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:37 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:31:59 -0400 > From: adamme1@XXXXXX > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. > > > > > > From: Fish Flowers > > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 10:22:15 EDT > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Bike Stolen. > > > > Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki > > DL650 left my driveway. > > > > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did > > not have insurance on the bike. > > > > I think I may die now. > > > > Fish. > > > > OH SHIT! And no INSURANCE??? Double SHIT! Damn I'm sorry to hear > that man. Jeezus. Bike thieves should be caught and shot on sight. > shoot'n's too good for 'em. Sorry to hear about the bike. And really sorry to hear on the insurance. It reminds me that I need to call my agent - I got a letter from them recently saying that since I've been good lately, and have had coverage for a while, they could look at lowering my rates - of course, I sign the thing, send it back and my monthly bill is 175% of normal this time around. New Math, and all that. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 11:51:31 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:51:51 -0400 From: Skip CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. hangin's too goo for 'em burnin's too good for em' they should be torn into itsy bitsy pieces and buried alive! Julian Halton wrote: > > Shootings too good for them I agree. So sorry Fish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:37 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:31:59 -0400 > > From: adamme1@XXXXXX > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. > > > > > > > > > > From: Fish Flowers > > > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 10:22:15 EDT > > > To: DC-Cycles > > > Subject: Bike Stolen. > > > > > > Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki > > > > DL650 left my driveway. > > > > > > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did > > > > not have insurance on the bike. > > > > > > I think I may die now. > > > > > > Fish. > > > > > > > OH SHIT! And no INSURANCE??? Double SHIT! Damn I'm sorry to hear > > that man. Jeezus. Bike thieves should be caught and shot on sight. > > > > shoot'n's too good for 'em. > > Sorry to hear about the bike. And really sorry to hear on the > insurance. > > It reminds me that I need to call my agent - I got a letter from them > recently saying that since I've been good lately, and have had coverage > for > a while, they could look at lowering my rates - of course, I sign the > thing, send it back and my monthly bill is 175% of normal this time > around. > > New Math, and all that. > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 11:56:11 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:01:03 -0400 To: Julian , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike At 12:20 AM 7/2/04 -0700, Julian wrote: >pipe was spattered with almost luminescent >spots....think Lewinsky's dress. >stop at gas station before G-towne. Rear tire is down >to nothing air. My first thought was, "are these two related", but not in the paranoid way you did (BTW, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they *aren't* out to get you! ;-). Does your bike have any "tire goop" in it? The stuff I used in my mountain bike tires was almost a florescent green and if it leaked out a bit, say, past a huge nail before it could seal the leak, and spattered on nearby parts of my bike, it might fit the description "almost luminescent"...and I'd expect it to be a bear to get off too. BTW, it's a real good idea to check your tires with a gauge frequently. Once a week at least, and before any major trip. Glancing at them every time you get on the bike is a good idea too. Glances won't detect a few pounds of problem, but it will prevent you from trying to ride on half-flat tires. Even a few pounds off will affect handling and safety enough to want to avoid it. >guys....and gals...what's the correct procedure when >you get a flat in the middle of nowhere late at night? I'd call the 800 number on my H.O.G. card and get them to send a tow truck to take it to the nearest repair facility. I paid the extra $19.95 so that such a call won't cost me anything except the cost of the actual repairs, which I'd be paying anyway. I believe there are similar plans available through other bike organizations but I haven't looked into it as the H.O.G. one was there already for me. Maybe AMA? If you have tubeless tires you might consider getting and carrying a tire repair kit. You can plug a hole and reinflate the tire enough to get to a repair place fairly easily, and without having to dismount the tire. You have to keep the speed down with the plugged tire, but it will move you. The tire is toast at that point, but a big hole should result in a replacement anyway. Not true for a cage tire, but bike tires are a lot more critical to safety and have demands put on them that cage tires don't. Based on your description, I'd replace yours if I were you. >Is it bad for the bike to ride with low pressure in the tire? Yes. Who's going to maintain it if you are dead or crippled? >I have had a lot of questions about my bike from >customers and fellow co-workers. >As I am a Bethesda outsider, I cannot help but suspect >malicious action >as the locals know that R6 in the gargage belongs to >me. You know your customers and co-workers best, but there is road debris, and you could have picked up the nail on your ride in, even before the spots appeared on your pipe if the tire has tire goop in it and that's what was on your pipes. I once went out to start my Jeep, and it just clicked. It was less than two years old at the time, so age-related problems weren't an option. I had it towed to the dealer, thinking "warranty repair"...but they found that some wires under the hood had been cut! "Any enemies?" the service manager asked. I didn't know of any, and wondered how they had gotten the hood open without setting off the alarm, but it is parked outside, and my (now ex-) wife had had a run-in with a crazy lady on her way home a couple of days earlier. Maybe. Get Jeep fixed (couple hundred in labor to splice things back together), set up security cameras to cover the driveway, and hope whoever it was was gone for good. A couple of years later, go out to Jeep, turn key...just clicks again. Damn! This time I know what to look for, so I don't call for a tow (I can splice wires cheaper than the dealer), I open the hood...and catch the culprit red handed! There's a squirrel sitting right in the spot where the wires were cut last time, and where they are cut this time too...though this time a lot more obviously chewed on. Squirrel looks at me looking at him with "furry hat" in my eye, and streaks out of my engine compartment and up a nearby tree. I spend the next 3 hours fixing the damage (wires chewed through 1/8" from a connector, and I don't have the proper tool for disassembling the pins...dental tools work, but are slow). I wrapped the favorite wires in 6 layers of electrical tape, then put them in some flexible high-temp conduit, to try to limit the damage next time...so far so good. The point is that just because it looks exactly like enemy action, it may not be. Keep that in mind, but don't dismiss less paranoid options out of hand. Tires pick up nails all the time, and if you've got tire sealer in your tires, that may be what ended up on your pipes, so the two things may just be one incident, which was just very bad luck. On the other hand, if that's the case, at least you had tire sealer to let you get to work and home. >What should I do tomorrow with bike? Should I gimp it >to gas >station...block and half away, pump up tire and gimp >to Colemans..or >does anyone have a better recommendation. Can a pipe >be polished out. I'd get it to a place that can replace the tire before riding it. If you have to ride it to such a place, be *really* careful, and keep the speeds way down. What is the pipe covered with? Chrome? Yes, you can polish it. Stainless steel? Yes, you can polish it. Other stuff? I dunno. If you can ID the substance, maybe you can find out what to remove it with? If it's Tire Goop, I'd call the manufacturer and ask them about it. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:02:23 2004 Subject: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:02:19 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Gimped to Gas station at i-section of Washington and North Glebe. Gassed up, took off to the place that always works for me. Holiday weekend madness, talked to the guys, ordered them some pizza for lunch, was heading out the door and they told me to hang on. 45 minutes later, I have a new tire, adjusted clutch and apart from one small nick on the rim which I hope won't affect performance- noticed this at gas station prior to tire swap- I am good to go for just a hair over 2 bills for a new D208 and the install. The guys at Coleman rock yet again. Thanks Heath, Bobby and Andrew for continued excellent service and turn around time unparalled anywhere From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:04:58 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:04:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles is the gs insured? pull your policy. check the definition of after-acquired vehicle and you may find coverage somewhere. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > > > Care to share the license number, so the list can cast > an extra glance > > at black DL650s? They aren't that common out there. > > *bitter laughter* > > No tags. I hadn't gotten around to registering and > tagging it yet, as I've > been limping along on the old Frankenbike GS500. Thus no > insurance. > > I have the day off; I was going to go register and title > it today. > > Fish. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:06:07 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:05:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Stolen Bike To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles likely this period is 30 days --- Brian Ray wrote: > Fish - > > How long did you have the bike for? A couple of days? > If so, you might still be covered. My insurance > agent has always told me that there's a couple of days > grace period after the purchase. Buy the vehicle, > then contact them to get it added to the policy. > > Of course, as far as I know, there's no requirement to > have registration or even title to get insurance. In > fact, I think you have to have proof of insurance > before you can get it registered.... > > Man, that sucks. Hope they recover it. > > Brian > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:07:47 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. To: Paul Wilson , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles perhaps a waste of cash to insure right away. check your policy. ask your agent. mine always says "i'll add the new vehicle on the 29th day." see my prior post. btw, agent is charles sumpter, state farm, bethesda. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Verde, Robert wrote: > > > Care to share the license number, so the list can cast > an extra glance > > at black DL650s? They aren't that common out there. > > *bitter laughter* > > No tags. I hadn't gotten around to registering and > tagging it yet, as I've > been limping along on the old Frankenbike GS500. Thus no > insurance. > > I have the day off; I was going to go register and title > it today. > > Fish. > > -------------- > > That sucks, verily. > > I hope this will not be taken as Monday morning > quarterbacking, Fish, but whenever I purchase a vehicle, > that puppy's on my insurance before I take delivery, > regardless of whether it will be plying the public ways > right away or not. > > Case in point, with the KLR, it was on my insurance (and > faxed insurance card in my hands) *before* I went to see > the PO, money changed hands, etc. I got the VIN and > other necessary information in advance. > > Remember the *primary* function of insurance is to > protect your assets by pooling risk with other > policyholders. The state's/lender's requirements are a > distant second. I've reached the ripe old age of 39 with > enough weird stuff happening to me that "going bare" is > not compatible with my comfort zone. > > I would call bike thieves pond scum, but that's way too > far up the evolutionary ladder for them. > > Paul in DC, whose middle name might as well be "Murphy" > > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:08:31 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:08:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles ouch. sorry i didn't read posts from most recent on back. my condolences. --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Thanks, all, for the kind words, and also for the > admonishing slaps. > > I've owned the bike for longer than the 30 days that > State Farm will > cover. At least in Maryland, State Farm requires you to > register and title > the bike before they'll insure, and Maryland requires you > to have a bill > of sale and certificate of origin before they'll title. > It took awhile for > Romney to get me the bill of sale, and then when I went > to the MVA (last > week) to finally get this done, the MVA bounced me > because I didn't have > the _original_ bill of sale. > > Well, Romney sent me the original bill of sale, which I > received on > Tuesday or Wednesday. So, today was to be the day of the > great > Title-register-insure-tag trip. Gah. > > Homeowner's won't cover the loss, alas. > > The (actually rather nice) PGPD officer just left. > Apparently he's also a > bike enthusiast and used to race dirt bikes, so we > commiserated a bit. He > gives me low odds of getting it back, and even then it'll > likely be > trashed. Woo! > > I think I'll go have a beer. Or maybe some scotch. I've > got some Johnny > Walker Blue I've been saving... > > So, anyway. Unless I can cobble together another > functioning GS500 by > Monday, I may be making yet another trip out to Romney. > Assuming my bank > will issue me another loan, that is... > > Fish. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:10:35 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:10:22 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: Julian Halton Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:02:19 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > > The guys at Coleman rock yet again. Thanks Heath, Bobby and Andrew for > continued excellent service and turn around time unparalled anywhere > Wow. Time to change our thoughts re:everyone's favorite powersports outlet? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:12:24 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: Aaron Maurer , Julian Halton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:02:19 -0400, Julian Halton > wrote: > > > > The guys at Coleman rock yet again. Thanks Heath, > Bobby and Andrew for > > continued excellent service and turn around time > unparalled anywhere > > > > Wow. Time to change our thoughts re:everyone's favorite > powersports outlet? never underestimate the value of low expectations. -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:14:47 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Tom Gimer , Fish Flowers Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. Cc: DC-Cycles In my case, not a waste. No insurance card, no registration, in DC. Not even a temp tag. Maryland must be diff'runt. .... -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer perhaps a waste of cash to insure right away. check your policy. ask your agent. mine always says "i'll add the new vehicle on the 29th day." .... -------- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:20:50 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:20:43 -0400 > She wanted a .22 but, another no-no. Why? Better than a 30-06 or 12 gauge. Cats work well, too. Haven't had a squirrel problem since we got cats. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:21:44 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:21:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. To: Paul Wilson , Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles insurance card? don't you have one already? the drones actually look at the card and expect to see a VIN for an automobile you purchased within a day of your appearance at DMV? i doubt it. i just put my current policy number on the form. done. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > In my case, not a waste. No insurance card, no > registration, in DC. Not even a temp tag. Maryland must > be diff'runt. > > .... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer > > > perhaps a waste of cash to insure right away. check your > policy. ask your agent. mine always says "i'll add the > new vehicle on the 29th day." .... > > -------- > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:22:01 2004 Subject: Coleman's - Falls Church Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:21:59 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: From day one they have been nothing but great to me. They gave me a deal on my Mach 1 Field Sheer Jacket, Shoei RF-900 chameleon helmet and gave me the best price anywhere on my SIDI boots including on-line. Where they shine is service- I am an impatient, picky guy. Heath McKee always says hello, has turned my bike around typically within four to six hours for mileage services, When I had to have the swing arm and battery replaced (warranty work)- the turn around was five days. Overnight to swap out my bodywork when my bike was knocked over. 45 minutes today to adjust clutch, swap out and mount rear tire. Etc..I priced out all my parts online when my bike was knocked over. Coleman's came in at 10 percent more after I factored in shipping. With a service discount, it was less than what bike bandit would have charged me for the parts alone, and they did all the work. I called two other dealers in the area and was told I would get a call back. I called again to each of them and was told two days later to "hang on". Never heard back. Until I have the expertise and my own garage, I will put Coleman first anytime. The service has been some of the best I have received in ANY industry. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:23:56 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:19:34 -0400 To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike At 09:13 AM 7/2/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >uses CO2 and a valve to refill the patched tire. I keep a full assortment >under the seat. You bore out the hole the nail left with a round rasp, >then push the plug in from the outside and twist it. Once the tire heats >up it is locked in place forever. If the hole is on the riding patch, fix >and forget it. If it is sidewall, replace immediately. Really? I just recently read an article about that sort of repair in a bike mag and they said that this was a *temporary*, *emergency* fix, not a permanent repair, and that the tire needed to be replaced ASAP. They also said that speed shouldn't exceed 45 mph on the repaired tire. What do the folks who make those kits say? For radial cage tires I know that plugs are NOT the way to repair them, though most service stations will try to talk you into them anyway (they are quicker and easier than a proper radial tire fix). This from a tire company rep I once talked to (who pointed out that a plug repair voids the warranty on the tire). I once let an idiot at a roadside gas station talk me into a plug repair, and the tire soon broke a belt and the tire was ruined (the reason I was talking to a tire company rep...). A proper repair has to be made from *inside* the tire, as a patch, which requires removing it from the rim...which is why lots of places would rather sell you a plug fix and send you down the road. I've had a couple of patch repairs made, and they lasted as long as the tire tread did. I've also read and heard from long-time riders that a repaired moto tire is not something to ride on longer than you have to. Moto tires handle lots of stresses that cage tires don't, and repairs are weak spots. Plug or patch as necessary to get to a dealer, then replace the tire is the advice I've gotten from both experienced riders and dealers. Sounds like a good topic for an argument here... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:23:59 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:27:12 -0400 To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. At 07:22 AM 7/2/04 -0700, Fish Flowers wrote: >Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 >left my driveway. > >For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not >have insurance on the bike. > >I think I may die now. Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!! That's......Fish, I don't know what else to say...damn. -- Mike B. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:24:03 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:28:54 -0400 To: , DC-Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. At 10:31 AM 7/2/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > Bike thieves should be caught and shot on sight. They used to hang horse thieves...shooting's too quick. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:24:20 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:22:48 -0400 To: "Jim McGonigle" , "'Verde, Robert'" , "'Troutman'" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Getting a flat on a bike At 09:43 AM 7/2/04 -0400, Jim McGonigle wrote: > >I've used the CO2 ones on a bike. They work well, but the CO2 container >would have to be considerably bigger for a motorcycle. The article I read had a kit with three cartriges...they said they had to use all three, and the tire still wasn't up to full pressure...though it was ridable. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:26:42 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Tom Gimer Subject: DC proof of insurance, was RE: Bike Stolen. Cc: DC-Cycles Yes, they do need to see it. Gotta have "proof of insurance" and they do look for the VIN. A fax from the insurance company works too. Got tripped up by that once and had to wait at the DMV while the insurer faxed "proof of insurance." Woe unto the unprepared who don't have their documents in order. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer insurance card? don't you have one already? the drones actually look at the card and expect to see a VIN for an automobile you purchased within a day of your appearance at DMV? i doubt it. i just put my current policy number on the form. done. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > In my case, not a waste. No insurance card, no > registration, in DC. Not even a temp tag. Maryland must > be diff'runt. > > .... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer > > > perhaps a waste of cash to insure right away. check your > policy. ask your agent. mine always says "i'll add the > new vehicle on the 29th day." .... > > -------- > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:29:16 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:29:08 -0400 > guys....and gals...what's the correct procedure when > you get a flat in the middle of nowhere late at night? I pull out my plug kit and 12V air compressor. The CO2 inflators work, but you have to carry a six-pack or two of the powerlets to get a tire up to pressure. The fix-a-flat stuff that the car stores sell works, too, but will leave a lot of crap inside of the tire. If you use this stuff - definitely tell the mechanic. Most stuff doesn't go BANG anymore, but mechanics hate it when they spill a tire full of the stuff all over themselves 'cause they were expecting a dry tire. > Is it bad for the bike to ride > with low pressure in the tire? Keep it slow (duh!). If you're riding on the rim, you stand a very good chance of trashing it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:32:12 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Can a wheel take being ridden on at all? Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:32:03 -0400 > Last night I rode with an almost three quarter flat about > five miles. Is my wheel hosed? Wheel's probably OK - The tire's another story, though - that puts a lot of stress on the sidewalls. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:32:49 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:32:35 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike I have long used loops to repair radials for any tire other than Z rated on a cage, and bike tires if I feel comfortable with it. Anecdotal evidence - the plugs don't hurt a thing. CO2 kits are temporary and only get your bike to a safe PSI with 3 of them - which I carry ;-) At 12:19 PM 7/2/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >For radial cage tires I know that plugs are NOT the way to repair them, >though most service stations will try to talk you into them anyway (they >are quicker and easier than a proper radial tire fix). This from a tire >company rep I once talked to (who pointed out that a plug repair voids the >warranty on the tire). ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:35:11 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:35:04 -0400 > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own > stupidity), I did not have insurance on the bike. Bummer - been there and done that. In my case it was a distinct lack of cash - I could either insure or ride the bike, not both. Good luck Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:38:53 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:38:44 -0400 > No tags. I hadn't gotten around to registering and tagging it yet Were the forks locked? Would we be looking for an SV with a broken/missing ignition switch? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:42:52 2004 From: To: "David Blumgart" , Subject: Re: Which kit do you recommend? (was: Getting flat...) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:42:46 -0400 Check out the "Stop 'n Go Pocket Tire Plugger" - Aerostitch ( www.aerostitch.com ) has 'em as well as the full sized tool. Probably the most secure system for a motorcycle tire - LOTS better than the tarred string types. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:46:48 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Norton Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. To: Skip Cc: DC-Cycles Nice Heavy Metal reference. I just about had my Pepsi come back up through my nose on that one. STERN! Skip wrote: >hangin's too goo for 'em >burnin's too good for em' >they should be torn into itsy bitsy pieces and buried alive! > >Julian Halton wrote: > > >>Shootings too good for them I agree. So sorry Fish. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:37 AM >>To: DC-Cycles >>Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. >> >>On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> >> >>>Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:31:59 -0400 >>>From: adamme1@XXXXXX >>>To: DC-Cycles >>>Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Fish Flowers >>>>Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 10:22:15 EDT >>>>To: DC-Cycles >>>>Subject: Bike Stolen. >>>> >>>>Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki >>>> >>>> >>>>DL650 left my driveway. >>>> >>>>For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did >>>> >>>> >>>>not have insurance on the bike. >>>> >>>>I think I may die now. >>>> >>>>Fish. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>OH SHIT! And no INSURANCE??? Double SHIT! Damn I'm sorry to hear >>>that man. Jeezus. Bike thieves should be caught and shot on sight. >>> >>> >>> >>shoot'n's too good for 'em. >> >>Sorry to hear about the bike. And really sorry to hear on the >>insurance. >> >>It reminds me that I need to call my agent - I got a letter from them >>recently saying that since I've been good lately, and have had coverage >>for >>a while, they could look at lowering my rates - of course, I sign the >>thing, send it back and my monthly bill is 175% of normal this time >>around. >> >>New Math, and all that. >> >>-- >>Dan Brown >>brown@XXXXXX >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 12:47:53 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:47:44 EDT Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX He was afraid she'd take out a neighbor kid or something. She don't see too well at distance. LOL Scooter In a message dated 7/2/2004 12:21:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > She wanted a .22 but, another no-no. Why? Better than a 30-06 or 12 gauge. Cats work well, too. Haven't had a squirrel problem since we got cats. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 13:07:26 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 13:07:45 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Can a wheel take being ridden on at all? it's the additional heat generated that kills the tire. --skip mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Last night I rode with an almost three quarter flat about > five miles. Is my wheel hosed? > > Wheel's probably OK - The tire's another story, though - that puts a lot of stress on the sidewalls. > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 13:09:08 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:08:59 EDT Subject: Re: More Key Issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2004 9:15:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > I actually pulled the ignition last week to get the key code. PITA. The code used to be on the key and the lock itself, was for years, make the bike easy to steal if you knew how. > The > keys they cut for me work fine on ignition and tank, just not the seat. My > original key operated all 3. Which is why I think a properly cut key will work just fine and why I suggested you call around for someone with the proper tool to cut one for you. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 13:24:48 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:24:37 EDT Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 13:41:22 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:41:13 EDT Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2004 12:24:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Really? I just recently read an article about that sort of repair in a > bike mag and they said that this was a *temporary*, *emergency* fix, not a > permanent repair, and that the tire needed to be replaced ASAP. They also > said that speed shouldn't exceed 45 mph on the repaired tire. What is said about plugs changes about every other week. All I can say is that I have _never_ had an internal patch hold, even the ones that combine an internal patch and plug that have held, have held because of the plug, the patch was completely detached from the tire. The inside of a tire is not made to hold a patch. The internal patch also creates an out of balance situation, and a thick spot that generates heat at the patch position due to flexing and according to some can cause a catastrophic failure (blow out.) I have also read more then once that a plug is the only proper way to repair a radial cage tire. I have also read that plugging a tire just reduces the speed rating one grade. I think what we have here is dueling liability lawyers. I have _never_ had a plug that _I_ have installed in a tire fail. I have never had a plug cause a tire failure. How often have I used one? Well in nearly 60,000mi. on my ST I have _never_ had a tire last its entire life without a plug in it, 7 or 8 tires now. (I hope to break that bad luck on this tire.) I have a piece of tire out in my garage that I cut out just to show people just how tight a proper plug is from the inside. Will not tell you to use one, will not tell you not to. Just that I use em. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 14:37:39 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: The ride nearly ended before it began To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Eric Confessed, "Even seeing the debris when I did, I had plenty of time > to > react and avoid - I just reacted poorly." > > Long John Counseled, > "You may not have. > One of the unique problems with bikes evading road debris is the need to > counter steer to initiate a swerve. The result is your contact patch > moves > _into_the object you are trying to avoid before moving back in the > direction > of the swerve delaying the movement of the very thing you need to miss > the > debris with, your tire. As a result we really need clear vision of the > road > surface farther ahead then a cage." > > [Carl]: Another unique problem with single track vehicles is Target > Fixation". You go where you look. So, when an object in the street is > revealed by the cage ahead, your instinct is to look out of curiosity . > . . > and run over it. I've noticed that when driving, when I see the debris, I point the car so it runs over it as close to the middle as possible considering the timing and circumstances. It's possible, since most of us use cars and motorcycles that this is a remnent or behaviour inherited from driving a car. Point the vehicle right at the debris and you'll miss it. Just a thought. > Carl in Bethesda Carl in Athens, who is spending way too much money on the women in my life and having second thoughts (about the spending, not the women). ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 14:43:03 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. To: Fish Flowers Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 > left my driveway. > > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not > have insurance on the bike. Shit, sorry, Fish. I was waiting to hear your riding impressions while considering that same bike and color myself. You could change your name to Joe Btflsplk, in honor of the little black cloud over your head. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 15:19:00 2004 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:18:29 -0400 From: "Gwen Dade" Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. To: Skip cc: DC-Cycles X-AOL-IP: 68.98.185.162 Don't tear them up - slice them a little - pour sugar on them and plant them in a hill of ants! sorry to hear about the bike Fish - sucks big time! Skip wrote on 7/2/2004, 11:51 AM: > hangin's too goo for 'em > burnin's too good for em' > they should be torn into itsy bitsy pieces and buried alive! > > Julian Halton wrote: > > > > Shootings too good for them I agree. So sorry Fish. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:37 AM > > To: DC-Cycles > > Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. > > > > On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 10:31:59 -0400 > > > From: adamme1@XXXXXX > > > To: DC-Cycles > > > Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Fish Flowers > > > > Date: 2004/07/02 Fri AM 10:22:15 EDT > > > > To: DC-Cycles > > > > Subject: Bike Stolen. > > > > > > > > Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 > Suzuki > > > > > > DL650 left my driveway. > > > > > > > > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I > did > > > > > > not have insurance on the bike. > > > > > > > > I think I may die now. > > > > > > > > Fish. > > > > > > > > > > OH SHIT! And no INSURANCE??? Double SHIT! Damn I'm sorry to hear > > > that man. Jeezus. Bike thieves should be caught and shot on sight. > > > > > > > shoot'n's too good for 'em. > > > > Sorry to hear about the bike. And really sorry to hear on the > > insurance. > > > > It reminds me that I need to call my agent - I got a letter from them > > recently saying that since I've been good lately, and have had coverage > > for > > a while, they could look at lowering my rates - of course, I sign the > > thing, send it back and my monthly bill is 175% of normal this time > > around. > > > > New Math, and all that. > > > > -- > > Dan Brown > > brown@XXXXXX > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 15:22:27 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:26:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike At 01:41 PM 7/2/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 7/2/2004 12:24:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >omni@XXXXXX writes: > >> Really? I just recently read an article about that sort of repair in a >> bike mag and they said that this was a *temporary*, *emergency* fix, not a >> permanent repair, and that the tire needed to be replaced ASAP. They also >> said that speed shouldn't exceed 45 mph on the repaired tire. > >What is said about plugs changes about every other week. If you say so...I've been hearing the same thing for at least 25 years though. They are ok for bias-belted tires, should not be used on radials. That's cages of course. All I've ever heard about tubeless bike tires is that they should be replaced if holed, and that plugs are a temporary fix. Bike tires with tubes can be patched, but the tube should be replaced as soon as convenient...the tire can stay if it isn't seriously damaged. On my pedal bikes I've had as many as 4 patches on a tube without problems, but pedal bikes don't generate anywhere near the level of heat and friction that moto bike tires do. Given the cost of my bike and medical treatments, I'm willing to err on the side of caution and replace a damaged tire. It's a lot cheaper than the other two things, and a new tire is likely to be better in all ways than whatever I'm replacing, even if not completely necessarily. The mag I was referring to BTW is "American Iron Magazine", March 2004 edition. Article is by Joe Knezevic, page 150. He says: "...this roadside repair should be used for emergencies only; it is not to be considered a permanent repair. Remember, the goal here is to get you off the side of the road and to a place where you can get a new tire, not save the tire for another 5,000 miles of service. After doing this type of quick fix, it's recommended that you do not exceed 45 mph." The kit shown in the article is Progressive Suspension's TRK2 Tire Repair Kit, which comes with a reaming tool, cement, tube patches, plugs, tube scraper, Moto Pump and three CO2 cartridges. They added a marker and Leatherman Tool on their own. >All I can say is >that I have _never_ had an internal patch hold, even the ones that combine an >internal patch and plug that have held, have held because of the plug, the >patch was completely detached from the tire. I've never had a flat on a motorcycle, so I don't know how different things are, but I'd expect some differences from what happens with cage tires. I've had three flats on cage tires that could be fixed (one more where the problem was a spike through the sidewall...new tire time), all radials. The first was plugged, and the tire failed due to a broken belt at the plug site within 500 miles and had to be replaced (that's when the tire company rep explained about radials and plugs and warranties). The other two were patched internally and the repair held until the tread wore off the tires. Both of the internals were just a flat patch, no plug. They were both installed properly (I watched), complete with cleaning/buffing of the inner surface, and allowing the contact/rubber cement to dry properly before applying the patch, then burnished to make sure it was sealed well. >I have also read more then once that a plug is the only proper way to repair >a radial cage tire. >I have also read that plugging a tire just reduces the speed rating one grade. > >I think what we have here is dueling liability lawyers. Could be...or perhaps differing tire designs, patch/plug designs and levels of competence when using them. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 16:08:58 2004 From: David Cross Subject: FS: 2001 BMW K1200LT Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:09:02 -0400 To: DC Cycles For sale: 2001 BMW k1200LT $12,500 11,500 miles Bike is in great shape. Details and Pics: http://www.davecross.com/k1200lt Thanks, Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 16:19:35 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:19:53 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike Mike Bartman wrote: > Both of the internals were just a flat patch, no plug. They were both > installed properly (I watched), complete with cleaning/buffing of the inner > surface, and allowing the contact/rubber cement to dry properly before > applying the patch, then burnished to make sure it was sealed well. I was a tire jockey for far too long, and i have used both plugs and patches. patches if done as Mike described are, to me, a permanent fix. Note that all of the patches I did were on cage tires. the patch, if applied properly, vulcanizes with the rubber of the tire. kind of like PVC glue, the two become one. I have used string plugs with great success if the hole is the right size. it's a friction fit. I've seen them last the life of a tire, i've seen them leak. I have never seen one cause a "dramatic" failure. Usually they leaked if the hole was too big and I jammed two in, but I've seen those go the life of the tire as well. I have used the rubber vulcanizing plugs with great success, again, if the hole is the right size. they are a less attractive option than a patch, but they work well. my personal opinion is that if you're not comfortable with it, you won't trust it, and if you don't trust it you won't ride to the limit of the bike's abilities in an emergency. In skydiving it's called "Gear Fear". you *have* to trust your gear. if you don't you have to stop. --skip From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 16:37:32 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:37:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church At 12:21 PM 7/2/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > From day one they have been nothing but great to > me. They gave me a >deal on my Mach 1 Field Sheer Jacket, Shoei RF-900 >chameleon helmet and >gave me the best price anywhere on my SIDI boots including >on-line. >Where they shine is service- I am an impatient, picky >guy. Heath McKee >always says hello, has turned my bike around typically >within four to >six hours for mileage services, When I had to have the >swing arm and >battery replaced (warranty work)- the turn around was five >days. >Overnight to swap out my bodywork when my bike was knocked >over. > >45 minutes today to adjust clutch, swap out and mount rear >tire. Etc..I >priced out all my parts online when my bike was knocked >over. Coleman's >came in at 10 percent more after I factored in >shipping. With a service >discount, it was less than what bike bandit would have >charged me for >the parts alone, and they did all the work. > > >I called two other dealers in the area and was told I >would get a call >back. I called again to each of them and was told two >days later to >"hang on". Never heard back. >Until I have the expertise and my own garage, I will put >Coleman first >anytime. >The service has been some of the best I have received in >ANY industry. > ok...did I just step off a spaceship? Did I land on the right planet? Does anyone recognize me here? Hello hello? Is this Bizarroworld? I have *got* to be on the wrong planet if Colemans is the best at *anything*. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 16:43:56 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:44:12 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church Aki Damme wrote: > > At 12:21 PM 7/2/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > >Until I have the expertise and my own garage, I will put > >Coleman first > >anytime. > >The service has been some of the best I have received in > >ANY industry. > > > > ok...did I just step off a spaceship? Did I land on the > right planet? Does > anyone recognize me here? Hello hello? > > Is this Bizarroworld? > > I have *got* to be on the wrong planet if Colemans is the > best at *anything*. > > -aki some people have no problems where others struggle.... my father in law won't eat at McDonald's anymore, because his burgers are always raw. how can that be? I don't know, but I've witnessed it. we each order a burger, they drop them in the bag, and his is raw. it's crazy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 16:53:40 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 16:53:31 -0400 To: Skip From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church Cc: dc-cycles At 04:44 PM 7/2/2004, Skip wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > At 12:21 PM 7/2/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > >Until I have the expertise and my own garage, I will > put > > >Coleman first > > >anytime. > > >The service has been some of the best I have received > in > > >ANY industry. > > > > > > > ok...did I just step off a spaceship? Did I land on > the > > right planet? Does > > anyone recognize me here? Hello hello? > > > > Is this Bizarroworld? > > > > I have *got* to be on the wrong planet if Colemans is > the > > best at *anything*. > > > > -aki > >some people have no problems where others struggle.... > >my father in law won't eat at McDonald's anymore, because >his burgers >are always raw. > >how can that be? I don't know, but I've witnessed it. we >each order a >burger, they drop them in the bag, and his is raw. it's >crazy. yeah but we're the talking about the same dealership that almost got their Honda franchise pulled from them because of the high number of complaints. This is the *same* dealer that put my fork seals in upside down and 5 minutes after I left and came to a stop the oil came shooting out of the forks and *then* THEY accused *me* of taking them out and installing them wrong after they had installed them! I had just left 5 minutes earlier! It took Honda corporate to intervene before they would repair my bike from what THEY did. During the entire process they kept accusing *me* of during roadside work and there's NO possible way one of their mechanics could of possibly put a set of seals in upside down. They're also the same ones that were under investigation for forging signatures on loan apps and changing the interest rate after the loan paperwork was signed. Now maybe they've recently gone under total new management/ownership and that would 'splain it but I just about fell out of my chair when Julian said they were the best. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 17:07:28 2004 Subject: RE: Colemans - Falls Church Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:07:20 -0400 From: "Verde, Robert" To: "Skip" Cc: "dc-cycles" From what Julian has shared with the list, it sounds like he has worked to develop a rapport with his local shop, and his efforts have been reciprocated. Personally, I feel that any customer who goes to the trouble of buying his service team pizza and getting to know them by first name would have similar stellar service anywhere he took his business (and would probably get it at a cheaper price, but I digress...). However, inasmuch as this technique may work wonders, I would rather take my business somewhere else, and spend my dollars to support businesses that provide a better grade of customer service for all its customers, not just the ones that are savvy enough to grease (literally) the right palms to get their jobs to the head of the queue. Call me naive, but I resent feeling that I need to pony up additionally just to get to a decent/basic level of service. Kudos to Julian for his business acumen! In all sincerity, I am glad the process works for him so well, but I don't feel even a teensy bit motivated to try the same tack. Now, hypothetically, if I had gotten excellent service from a shop in say, outer Delaware, I'd cheerfully make the trek again when I need moto service, and I'd even call ahead to order pizza... :-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: Skip [mailto:skip@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:44 PM Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church some people have no problems where others struggle.... my father in law won't eat at McDonald's anymore, because his burgers are always raw. how can that be? I don't know, but I've witnessed it. we each order a burger, they drop them in the bag, and his is raw. it's crazy. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 17:14:05 2004 Subject: RE: Colemans - Falls Church Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 17:14:02 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Aki Damme" , "Skip" Cc: "dc-cycles" Sorry dudes but I call it as I see it. They have always been excellent to me. Mind you I try my darndest to be extra friendly, nice, send the service guys pizza once in a while and stand out in a positive way. They have given me excellent service and discounts and I appreciate it greatly. Crossroads cycle also helped me out when I was concerned about a little problem I had Everyone else I have called\been to has been: - stand offish - no follow ups - big prices - no discounts - keep the bike for a week That's my mileage with Coleman and that's why I come back. Granted I have not bought a bike new but there you go. Happy 4th all -----Original Message----- From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:54 PM To: Skip Cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church At 04:44 PM 7/2/2004, Skip wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > At 12:21 PM 7/2/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > >Until I have the expertise and my own garage, I will > put > > >Coleman first > > >anytime. > > >The service has been some of the best I have received > in > > >ANY industry. > > > > > > > ok...did I just step off a spaceship? Did I land on > the > > right planet? Does > > anyone recognize me here? Hello hello? > > > > Is this Bizarroworld? > > > > I have *got* to be on the wrong planet if Colemans is > the > > best at *anything*. > > > > -aki > >some people have no problems where others struggle.... > >my father in law won't eat at McDonald's anymore, because his burgers >are always raw. > >how can that be? I don't know, but I've witnessed it. we each order a >burger, they drop them in the bag, and his is raw. it's crazy. yeah but we're the talking about the same dealership that almost got their Honda franchise pulled from them because of the high number of complaints. This is the *same* dealer that put my fork seals in upside down and 5 minutes after I left and came to a stop the oil came shooting out of the forks and *then* THEY accused *me* of taking them out and installing them wrong after they had installed them! I had just left 5 minutes earlier! It took Honda corporate to intervene before they would repair my bike from what THEY did. During the entire process they kept accusing *me* of during roadside work and there's NO possible way one of their mechanics could of possibly put a set of seals in upside down. They're also the same ones that were under investigation for forging signatures on loan apps and changing the interest rate after the loan paperwork was signed. Now maybe they've recently gone under total new management/ownership and that would 'splain it but I just about fell out of my chair when Julian said they were the best. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 17:19:42 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:19:50 -0400 From: Skip To: Julian Halton CC: Aki Damme , dc-cycles Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church if it works for you, work it! Julian Halton wrote: > > Sorry dudes but I call it as I see it. They have always been excellent > to me. Mind you I try my darndest to be extra friendly, nice, send the > service guys pizza once in a while and stand out in a positive way. > > They have given me excellent service and discounts and I appreciate it > greatly. > > Crossroads cycle also helped me out when I was concerned about a little > problem I had > > Everyone else I have called\been to has been: > - stand offish > - no follow ups > - big prices > - no discounts > - keep the bike for a week > > That's my mileage with Coleman and that's why I come back. Granted I > have not bought a bike new but there you go. > > Happy 4th all > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aki Damme [mailto:adamme1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:54 PM > To: Skip > Cc: dc-cycles > Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church > > At 04:44 PM 7/2/2004, Skip wrote: > > >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > > At 12:21 PM 7/2/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > > > >Until I have the expertise and my own garage, I will > > put > > > >Coleman first > > > >anytime. > > > >The service has been some of the best I have received > > in > > > >ANY industry. > > > > > > > > > > ok...did I just step off a spaceship? Did I land on > > the > > > right planet? Does > > > anyone recognize me here? Hello hello? > > > > > > Is this Bizarroworld? > > > > > > I have *got* to be on the wrong planet if Colemans is > > the > > > best at *anything*. > > > > > > -aki > > > >some people have no problems where others struggle.... > > > >my father in law won't eat at McDonald's anymore, because his burgers > >are always raw. > > > >how can that be? I don't know, but I've witnessed it. we each order a > > >burger, they drop them in the bag, and his is raw. it's crazy. > > yeah but we're the talking about the same dealership that almost got > their Honda franchise pulled from them because of the high number of > complaints. This is the *same* dealer that put my fork seals in upside > down and 5 minutes after I left and came to a stop the oil came shooting > out of the forks and *then* THEY accused *me* of taking them out and > installing them wrong after they had installed them! > I had just left 5 minutes earlier! It took Honda corporate to intervene > before they would repair my bike from what THEY did. During the entire > process they kept accusing *me* of during roadside work and there's NO > possible way one of their mechanics could of possibly put a set of seals > in upside down. > > They're also the same ones that were under investigation for forging > signatures on loan apps and changing the interest rate after the loan > paperwork was signed. > > Now maybe they've recently gone under total new management/ownership and > that would 'splain it but I just about fell out of my chair when Julian > said they were the best. > > -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 17:27:15 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:26:17 -0400 Subject: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Two quick items: 1. I'm riding out to Ashburn on the bike later today and would like to use my cage's SmartTag -- does any list have hints for me? will it work? what happens if it doesn't? CAN I APPEAL A NO TOLL CITATION BY SAYING "BUT... BUT... THE TAG MALFUCTIONED!!" 2. UPDATE: Went to traffic court in Arlington Co. this morning, pleaded (plead?) guilty and received reduction of 56-in-40mph to 49-in-40mph for my "cooperation" with issuing officer and "good driving record" (no points, last moving violation *they knew about* in year 2000)... lesson: possibly cheaper and better for driving record to go to court instead of prepaying fine/court costs. -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "Durn that's a petite mounting area for my SmartTag" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 17:52:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:40:40 -0400 Back when I had a Seca II and commuted that way I'd shove it under the windscreen. Mine wasn't painted black though. It'll work. The tag does malfunction sometimes. I was pulled over once when it did. Pointed it out to the Trooper. >From: "Sean Steele" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: SmartTag redux and traffic court update >Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:26:17 -0400 > >Two quick items: > >1. I'm riding out to Ashburn on the bike later today and would like to use >my cage's SmartTag -- does any list have hints for me? will it work? what >happens if it doesn't? CAN I APPEAL A NO TOLL CITATION BY SAYING "BUT... >BUT... THE TAG MALFUCTIONED!!" > >2. UPDATE: Went to traffic court in Arlington Co. this morning, pleaded >(plead?) guilty and received reduction of 56-in-40mph to 49-in-40mph for my >"cooperation" with issuing officer and "good driving record" (no points, >last moving violation *they knew about* in year 2000)... lesson: possibly >cheaper and better for driving record to go to court instead of prepaying >fine/court costs. > >-Sean >WAR-shington, DC >'92 "Durn that's a petite mounting area for my SmartTag" Seca II > _________________________________________________________________ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up )B– now 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 18:58:57 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:58:37 -0400 > does any list have > hints for me? will it work? Mine does - I tend to hold it up, but it usually reads in my tankbag. At the main toll barrier, I have heard that if you keep to the extreme left side of the right hand express lane, you won't get tagged. It would appear that when the widened the gates to alow faster traffic through, they neglected to widen the sensors. Or so I hear... > possibly cheaper and better for driving record to go to > court instead of prepaying fine/court costs. ALWAYS go to court. It will never cost you more (other than time and bother). If you're paid by the hour, you have to weigh the options. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 19:05:17 2004 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:04:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Buy a cheap air compressor or even just a bicycle type tire pump and keep it > at the house. 12v air compressors are getting small enough now to possibly stash away somewhere on the bike, if you are lucky. Got one for emergencies under the right sidecover of my Connie. :) Oh, I have had great success with those simple snot-on-a-string type plugs that every 7-11 seems to sell. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 20:27:37 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:27:28 EDT Subject: Sporty Shaft To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Seems to me that someone on this list was talking about the lack of real sportbikes with shaft drive. Try this. Standard 4cyl. layout. "167hp. @ 10,250rpm. 96ft-lb torque @ 8,250rpm. Top speed close to 186mph. 547Pounds fully fueled and ready to ride." Shaft drive. A _BMW_ no less. The K1200S due to be introduced in Sept. And it is purty. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 20:36:53 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:36:39 EDT Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2004 3:22:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > Could be...or perhaps differing tire designs, patch/plug designs and levels > of competence when using them. All of the above are true. I was just telling what I have heard (and remember I go back to before, way before, tubeless tires.) I would _never_ try to talk anyone into using plugs if they are uncomfortable with the idea. An opinion was asked for, I gave one. P.S. Riding to Cherokee tomorrow, for a whole week #:-), "see" ya all when I get back. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 20:40:08 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 20:39:55 EDT Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2004 4:19:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skip@XXXXXX writes: > I have used the rubber vulcanizing plugs I dislike the string type (about all you can find without looking) and use the rubber vulcanizing kind exclusively. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 2 23:09:15 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 23:09:03 -0400 At 07:22 AM 7/2/04 -0700, Fish Flowers wrote: >Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki DL650 >left my driveway. . . . snip Awful. In reading of some of the details mentioned, there seems to be a conversion of circumstances - as in "inside job" having to do with an open paper trail of some kind. Documents with your address available to someone who knew of an easy lift (no registration, no insurance, no chain)? Clerks along the line? Think it out and let the investigators know of suspicions, no matter how far-fetched. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > It would take hours to pull off all my traceable doodads. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 3 01:18:08 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Getting a flat on a bike Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 01:17:54 -0400 This morning's Post (the Automotive section) talked in full about "Punctures, Patches and Plugs." Past the good stuff in the postings here, other points are made: * Speed-rated tires lose their rating on repair. * Dismounting a punctured tire is important for revealing damage. * A (from the inside of tire) plug-patch prevents air from entering the body of the tire between the layers and water from getting to the steel belting in the tread. Personally, I've used and seen used plugs for successful temp field fixes to treads. On the don't work side have been CO2 cartridges (not enough to do job). And liquid sealant has had too many negative comments for me to consider putting it inside a tire (risking gumming up the tire, rim, and valve). Were I to take a trip of steady 500+ mile days, I'd carry appropriate-sized tubes as a (definitely temporary - heat issues) fix. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > No punctures yet. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Mike Bartman At 09:13 AM 7/2/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >uses CO2 and a valve to refill the patched tire. I keep a full assortment >under the seat. You bore out the hole the nail left with a round rasp, >then push the plug in from the outside and twist it. Once the tire heats >up it is locked in place forever. If the hole is on the riding patch, fix >and forget it. If it is sidewall, replace immediately. Really? I just recently read an article about that sort of repair in a bike mag and they said that this was a *temporary*, *emergency* fix, not a permanent repair, and that the tire needed to be replaced ASAP. They also said that speed shouldn't exceed 45 mph on the repaired tire. What do the folks who make those kits say? For radial cage tires I know that plugs are NOT the way to repair them, though most service stations will try to talk you into them anyway (they are quicker and easier than a proper radial tire fix). This from a tire company rep I once talked to (who pointed out that a plug repair voids the warranty on the tire). I once let an idiot at a roadside gas station talk me into a plug repair, and the tire soon broke a belt and the tire was ruined (the reason I was talking to a tire company rep...). A proper repair has to be made from *inside* the tire, as a patch, which requires removing it from the rim...which is why lots of places would rather sell you a plug fix and send you down the road. I've had a couple of patch repairs made, and they lasted as long as the tire tread did. I've also read and heard from long-time riders that a repaired moto tire is not something to ride on longer than you have to. Moto tires handle lots of stresses that cage tires don't, and repairs are weak spots. Plug or patch as necessary to get to a dealer, then replace the tire is the advice I've gotten from both experienced riders and dealers. Sounds like a good topic for an argument here... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 3 08:29:29 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 08:29:19 EDT Subject: Re: Sporty Shaft To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2004 8:27:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PenguinBiker writes: > Seems to me that someone on this list was talking about the lack of real > sportbikes with shaft drive. > Try this. www.face-the-power.com I am outa here for a week John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 3 10:50:01 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "rich hall" , Cc: "Sean Steele" Subject: Re: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 10:50:03 -0400 I too had a "roadside conference" about this with a VSP trooper. He said "you can't just run the toll." I said, "I've got the transponder mounted on my windshield and it didn't register." He let me go. Apparently VA has no back-up system to deal with failed readings. Members of the E-ZPass consortium do. I don't know what means when VA joins the consortium. Last month, I had a failed reading exiting the PA turnpike, but, sure enough, the toll is on my statement. Pa. Turnpike and other agencies have photo equipment that records violations. If your plate is in the database, they dun your E-ZPass account manually. If not, they send you a violation notice for the toll + a fine using the address provided in the DMV's database. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hall" > Back when I had a Seca II and commuted that way I'd shove it under the > windscreen. Mine wasn't painted black though. It'll work. The tag does > malfunction sometimes. I was pulled over once when it did. Pointed it out > to the Trooper. > > >From: "Sean Steele" > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: SmartTag redux and traffic court update > >Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:26:17 -0400 > > > >Two quick items: > > > >1. I'm riding out to Ashburn on the bike later today and would like to use > >my cage's SmartTag -- does any list have hints for me? will it work? what > >happens if it doesn't? CAN I APPEAL A NO TOLL CITATION BY SAYING "BUT... > >BUT... THE TAG MALFUCTIONED!!" > >-Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 3 16:07:31 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 13:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: motocross gear in NO VA? To: DC Cycles Anyone have a recommendation in NO VA where I can find a good selection of motocross gear? Looking for some MX boots and maybe some of those fruity-assed too damn colorful MX jerseys and pants that don't hold so much sweat and hose down for cleanup. Thinkin' 'bout regressing into my childhood and playing in the mud again. I'm located in Tysons but will travel an hour or so to find a good selection. Colemans doesn't have it, Crossroads doesn't carry the stuff, nor does Cycle Sport in Chantilly, was thinking maybe Motorcycle Factory Inc. in Woodbridge but not gonna make it today. Bought a KTM 625 Supermoto shortly after a Bike Nighter graciously allowed me to sit on his KTM Duke at the last bike night at Carpool. Now just lookin' for dirt..and a few curbs..maybe a lawn or two. Maybe a track day.. -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS '04 KTM 625 SMC ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 3 23:39:44 2004 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 20:39:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: motocross gear in NO VA? To: Corbett B , DC Cycles not nova, but the dirt shop in college park, md probably has what you need. --- Corbett B wrote: > Anyone have a recommendation in NO VA where I can find > a good selection of motocross gear? Looking for some > MX boots and maybe some of those fruity-assed too damn > colorful MX jerseys and pants that don't hold so much > sweat and hose down for cleanup. Thinkin' 'bout > regressing into my childhood and playing in the mud > again. > > I'm located in Tysons but will travel an hour or so to > find a good selection. Colemans doesn't have it, > Crossroads doesn't carry the stuff, nor does Cycle > Sport in Chantilly, was thinking maybe Motorcycle > Factory Inc. in Woodbridge but not gonna make it > today. > > Bought a KTM 625 Supermoto shortly after a Bike > Nighter graciously allowed me to sit on his KTM Duke > at the last bike night at Carpool. Now just lookin' > for dirt..and a few curbs..maybe a lawn or two. Maybe > a track day.. > > -Corbett > '99 BMW K1200RS > '04 KTM 625 SMC > > ===== > -Corbett > '99 BMW K1200RS > AMA Member > BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 10:41:33 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 10:40:24 -0400 Subject: Re: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Well, strange thing -- riding out there (westbound) I didn't register ("Toll not paid!! REPENT!") at the main toll booth near Tyson's but I did register at the northbound Sully Rd. exit booth (go figger) -- riding back (eastbound) I actually took Rt. 7E so don't know if I would have registered at the eastbound Dulles/Sully Rd. toll booth -- but again, at the main booth I got a "Toll not paid!! REPROBATE!" nastygram. I'll call (sorta)SmartTag to check the ticker tape on Tuesday. Thanks for the advice, all. -Sean P.S. When riding through right-most westbound SmartTag lane at the main toll booth, I was flanked by a VST -- he must have not noticed or not cared that the sign said "Toll not paid!! SHOOT ON SIGHT!" when I went through. Gave me a good chuckle, though, after dishing out $140 to Arlington County for a speeding ticket. Yeesh. Paul Wilson wrote: > I too had a "roadside conference" about this with a VSP trooper. He said > "you can't just run the toll." I said, "I've got the transponder mounted on > my windshield and it didn't register." He let me go. > > Apparently VA has no back-up system to deal with failed readings. Members > of the E-ZPass consortium do. I don't know what means when VA joins the > consortium. Last month, I had a failed reading exiting the PA turnpike, but, > sure enough, the toll is on my statement. Pa. Turnpike and other agencies > have photo equipment that records violations. If your plate is in the > database, they dun your E-ZPass account manually. If not, they send you a > violation notice for the toll + a fine using the address provided in the > DMV's database. > > Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich hall" > > >>Back when I had a Seca II and commuted that way I'd shove it under the >>windscreen. Mine wasn't painted black though. It'll work. The tag does >>malfunction sometimes. I was pulled over once when it did. Pointed it > > out > >>to the Trooper. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 10:47:16 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:47:05 -0400 > Well, strange thing -- riding out there (westbound) I didn't > register ("Toll not paid!! REPENT!") at the main toll booth > near Tyson's... Occasionally, my minivan doesn't register. NO system works 100% of the time. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 10:51:17 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 10:51:08 -0400 Me again, OTOH - they hit my credit card up for $70 ($35/transponder) to pad my account whenever my balance reaches $20 or so. So not only do they get the full toll amount, they have the balance of my monies to draw interest on until I use it to pay a toll. Even with the occasional mis-read, they're still ahead. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 11:03:13 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 11:01:52 -0400 Subject: Throw that chain! Well, add this to the list of new experiences I'd rather not repeat: I threw/lost my chain taking off from a redlight at the Ashburn Village Rd. intersection, Rt. 7 westbound, on Friday night 'bout 8pm. At first I thought I had had some sort of catastrophic clutch failure -- stopped in the median, took a look... and sure enough, the chaint is just hanging around the rear wheel. A nice young guy in a cage (coming home from work, methinks) stopped to help out a fellow biker. We got it back on, he gave me some chain tightening pointers, and I rode to my GF's place. He was an R6'er. If he's on the list, thanks again. So I adjusted the chain this morning -- looks to be much bette now, but I really need to get a new chain and sprockets. I bought a Sears MC/ATV hydraulic hoist on Saturday, but since my pipes are under the frame, it's not a good rear wheel lift solution for me unless I relish removing the headers and exhausts on a continuing basis. I'll return it and get a rear stand 'stead. -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 11:09:09 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Michael Jordan" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:09:20 -0400 Yep, as MJ points out, the E-ZPass folks were counting on considerable revenue from all these accumulated balances. So far it hasn't panned out, which has led some states to impose a monthly fee. Fortunately, Md. is not one of them. http://www.itsa.org/ITSNEWS.NSF/0/7cedf9ebe02000ad85256bf40056d049?OpenDocum ent (The above on New Jersey's E-ZPass woes.) Still, I like it, even with the drawbacks. The SmartTag/E-ZPass lanes don't have all the accumulated goo of oil and anti-freeze drippings. To me, as a motorcyclist, that's worth the price of admission right there. It's also nice riding from DC to NYC with only one stop: for gas. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Jordan" > Me again, > > OTOH - they hit my credit card up for $70 ($35/transponder) to pad my > account whenever my balance reaches $20 or so. So not only do they get the > full toll amount, they have the balance of my monies to draw interest on > until I use it to pay a toll. Even with the occasional mis-read, they're > still ahead. > > Michael J. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 11:50:11 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: Throw that chain! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 11:42:53 -0400 You mean the chain broke or just came off the rear sprocket? It must've been REALLY loose to just come off the sprocket. Bruce p.s. Sean, where do you live? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Steele" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Throw that chain! > Well, add this to the list of new experiences I'd rather not repeat: I > threw/lost my chain taking off from a redlight at the Ashburn Village > Rd. intersection, Rt. 7 westbound, on Friday night 'bout 8pm. At first I > thought I had had some sort of catastrophic clutch failure -- stopped in > the median, took a look... and sure enough, the chaint is just hanging > around the rear wheel. > > A nice young guy in a cage (coming home from work, methinks) stopped to > help out a fellow biker. We got it back on, he gave me some chain > tightening pointers, and I rode to my GF's place. He was an R6'er. If > he's on the list, thanks again. > > So I adjusted the chain this morning -- looks to be much bette now, but > I really need to get a new chain and sprockets. > > I bought a Sears MC/ATV hydraulic hoist on Saturday, but since my pipes > are under the frame, it's not a good rear wheel lift solution for me > unless I relish removing the headers and exhausts on a continuing basis. > > I'll return it and get a rear stand 'stead. > > -Sean > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 12:01:35 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Throw that chain! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 12:01:25 -0400 > I bought a Sears MC/ATV hydraulic hoist on Saturday, but > since my pipes are under the frame, it's not a good rear > wheel lift solution for me unless I relish removing the > headers and exhausts on a continuing basis. Sean - I'm not sure how the frame is on your bike, but if you have two frame tubes that run under the engine, you can put a pair of 2X4s or 4X4s across the lift tines for the frame to rest on. The exhaust will then fit in the space between the timbers. If you don't have a cradle frame, then a rear wheel "race stand" is your best bet. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 12:17:08 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'Sean Steele'" , Subject: RE: Throw that chain! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 12:20:57 -0400 Make sure you adjust it properly. A "Too Tight" chain will eat sprockets and stretch in no time. Sounds like you were at the other extreme. Too many times I have guys stop by who "Adjusted" their chain...with no play! Makes me cringe! Gary Foreman -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele [mailto:sean@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:02 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Throw that chain! Well, add this to the list of new experiences I'd rather not repeat: I threw/lost my chain taking off from a redlight at the Ashburn Village Rd. intersection, Rt. 7 westbound, on Friday night 'bout 8pm. At first I thought I had had some sort of catastrophic clutch failure -- stopped in the median, took a look... and sure enough, the chaint is just hanging around the rear wheel. A nice young guy in a cage (coming home from work, methinks) stopped to help out a fellow biker. We got it back on, he gave me some chain tightening pointers, and I rode to my GF's place. He was an R6'er. If he's on the list, thanks again. So I adjusted the chain this morning -- looks to be much bette now, but I really need to get a new chain and sprockets. I bought a Sears MC/ATV hydraulic hoist on Saturday, but since my pipes are under the frame, it's not a good rear wheel lift solution for me unless I relish removing the headers and exhausts on a continuing basis. I'll return it and get a rear stand 'stead. -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 12:18:22 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Track Day, July 12th Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 12:22:10 -0400 LMS Track Day is next Monday. It's free to watch! Always fun! Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 4 22:08:57 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Trip report complete Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:09:09 -0400 I've completed an illustrated report on my 5,600-mile bike trip to the Northern Rockies in June. Super crappy weather (nearly endless thunderstorms all day long) in DC means a great time to stay indoors and work on it today. Link to it through my main web page, under the entry for July 4th. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 03:50:42 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 00:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. To: DC-Cycles --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Sometime between 2200 yesterday and 1000 today, my black 2004 Suzuki > DL650 > left my driveway. Oh man. And you just got it. Sorry to hear about this. > > For reasons too ludicrous to explain (read: my own stupidity), I did not > have insurance on the bike. Oops. > > I think I may die now. Well, it's just a bike. I don't know that I'd go that far. But for sure I'd be pissed. > > Fish. Carl > > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 04:12:13 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 01:12:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Colemans - Falls Church To: DC-Cycles --- Skip wrote: > > my father in law won't eat at McDonald's anymore, because his burgers > are always raw. I haven't eaten at one since '76 simply because I saw some kid at a McD's in Woodbridge hawk up a lunger on one before slapping it on the grill. Yea yea, it happens in other places, maybe he was faking for the crowd (open door, hot day, drive through). I saw some kid sneeze on a pizza in Stafford (Rt 1 off of 610). But the thought of going to McD's makes me a little ill. Good thing the SO is against fast food burger places :-) Here is Athens, the paper reported that 70% of the food places tested, failed. Not a good track record. Especially with the Olympics coming up in a few weeks. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 10:10:27 2004 From: Daniel To: Fish Flowers Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Stolen. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:09:31 -0400 If the bike is financed, you may have one more option... from what I understand, banks have a behind the scenes insurance on vehicles to protect them from losses like this. Contact your loan officer and have them look into it. I have heard of stuff like this being covered before. Especially if you want to get a second loan from them, they make more money making a claim that they pay insurance on, and probably rarely use, and still get another loan deal. I see you live in PG county.. it's probably likely some juveniles stole it and will eventually be recovered.. but i guess it's a 50/50 chance. I live in PG county.. i'll keep my eye out. it might help to post the last 5 digits of the VIN.. or the whole VIN.. with your phone number.. If I should happen to spot one, or have the opportunity to look at the vin, at least I could call the police, and you. - Danny On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 08:42:06 -0700 (PDT), Fish Flowers wrote: >Thanks, all, for the kind words, and also for the admonishing slaps. > >I've owned the bike for longer than the 30 days that State Farm will >cover. At least in Maryland, State Farm requires you to register and title >the bike before they'll insure, and Maryland requires you to have a bill >of sale and certificate of origin before they'll title. It took awhile for >Romney to get me the bill of sale, and then when I went to the MVA (last >week) to finally get this done, the MVA bounced me because I didn't have >the _original_ bill of sale. > >Well, Romney sent me the original bill of sale, which I received on >Tuesday or Wednesday. So, today was to be the day of the great >Title-register-insure-tag trip. Gah. > >Homeowner's won't cover the loss, alas. > >The (actually rather nice) PGPD officer just left. Apparently he's also a >bike enthusiast and used to race dirt bikes, so we commiserated a bit. He >gives me low odds of getting it back, and even then it'll likely be >trashed. Woo! > >I think I'll go have a beer. Or maybe some scotch. I've got some Johnny >Walker Blue I've been saving... > >So, anyway. Unless I can cobble together another functioning GS500 by >Monday, I may be making yet another trip out to Romney. Assuming my bank >will issue me another loan, that is... > >Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 10:20:56 2004 From: Daniel To: Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:20:03 -0400 another little bit of ancedotal... a few weeks ago, a guy was riding a new yamaha R1... and from what I recall of hearing the story, the bike just started sparking, the guy was trying to control the bike, and then went down and died in one of those flip up helmets. Word is the helmet flipped up. I'd rather not have one From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 10:32:28 2004 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: , Subject: Re: Late night worries and some observations about Delaware Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 10:31:41 -0400 >Spent a wonderful weekend at the beach.in Delaware noticed more than 70% >of riders were helmetless. I have a friend in ohio.. she went to a family reunion.. apparently her cousin or something got a new motorcycle.. she saw his goggles.. and said "are you into bikes" and he "shhh"'d her. took her to the side and said "my mother and grandmother dont' know". So she related the story to me.. she was also telling me hardly anyone wears helmets up there numerous times... So I asked has he been riding long? no. Does he have a full face helmet? I dunno. "well you better tell him to get one". Why? my response: BECAUSE HE WILL DIE. new riders typically have an accident within the first two years of riding. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 11:56:46 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:58:05 -0400 To: Daniel , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. At 10:20 AM 7/5/04 -0400, Daniel wrote: >sparking, the guy was trying to control the bike, and then went down >and died in one of those flip up helmets. Word is the helmet flipped >up. Got any details? Where was the story published? Where did the accident happen? A flip up that "flips up" in a crash becomes a 3/4 helmet, more or less. I don't see how that would cause a death, though I can see how it might increase injury level to the face if the rider was unlucky (more unlucky than just crashing). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 12:08:42 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'Mike Bartman'" , "'Daniel'" , Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 12:08:34 -0400 > A flip up that "flips up" in a crash becomes a 3/4 helmet, > more or less. I don't see how that would cause a death, > though I can see how it might increase injury level to the > face if the rider was unlucky (more unlucky than just crashing). Bottom line - they're not as strong. Yes, one can sustain increased injuries, and those can lead to death. This is not an isolated occurance. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 14:11:32 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 14:11:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Daniel CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Daniel wrote: > another little bit of ancedotal... > > a few weeks ago, a guy was riding a new yamaha R1... and > from what I recall of hearing the story, the bike just started > sparking, Uhh, "sparking"??? Not familiar with that term re: moto crashes. I used to wear Nolan flip-faces, sorta liked them, but it just didn't fit my head-shape right, no matter what size helmet I bought. Went back to a full-face Shoei, which seems to fit my noggin better. Still miss the flip-face convenience at times... Horkster Hork -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 14:33:12 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Anyone have an old helmet they are going to toss? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:36:56 -0400 I'm looking for a few Full Face helmets that are soon to be tossed, just to try some paint jobs on. I will be tossing them too :-) Somehow I can't bring myself to practice on my Arai :-) I'll pay shipping. Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 16:57:16 2004 From: Daniel To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: Subject: Re: Anyone have an old helmet they are going to toss? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 16:56:32 -0400 heck when you're done with them let me know, i'll get them from you, my wife wants to start practicing air brushing On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 14:36:56 -0400, "Gary Foreman" wrote: >I'm looking for a few Full Face helmets that are soon to be tossed, just to >try some paint jobs on. I will be tossing them too :-) > >Somehow I can't bring myself to practice on my Arai :-) > >I'll pay shipping. > >Gary > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 17:02:43 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) *beep beep* Re: helmets/gear/etc... Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:01:52 -0400 On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:58:23 -0000, "Pretty Vicious 929" wrote: >he had the red/black 04 r1....ive seen him a rack of times...nice >guy. and yeah those guys... > >heres the posts.... > >Mike (Red/Black 2004 R1) passed away this early this morning. >Witnesses said that his bike malfunctioned. There were sparks coming >from his bike and he fought to control the bike before it skidded out >from under him. This happened after the 270 ramp onto 495. He >suffered internal and head injuries. EMS and doctors could not >revived him. He passed away at 1:30 this morning. He will be deeply >Missed. > > >Thanks for all the kind words. I will post up ANy other news to come. >Its crazy this guy never did any crazy stuff always safe. When they >were riding home they were only going about 60 on 495 and a witness >said sparks was flying and he try to keep control of the bike and >fell off. His helmet came off from the fall. he had one of them flip >up helmets. we are all confused not knowing what really happend. I >just got a call from where we hung out and meet at the scene seeing >them giving him cpr and putting him in the ambulance. > > >Vicious >sad :( > >--- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "MR ORIGINALITY" > wrote: >> YEAH OK, I REMEMBER THEM... they had a rack of phillipinos out that >> night... U pointed em out to me one time! I'm not familiar wit em >> outside of u pointing at em and saying that they were HUGE and had >a >> lil bit of errybody. was the bike straight up and down, was he >> leaning, what? sparking huh? damn... >> >> CANNON >> "damn" >> >> --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "Pretty Vicious 929" >> wrote: >> > Asphalt Alliance...theyre ALWAYS at B&N...big crew...multi- >> > nationalities....nice guys. one of has the roll cage. it >happened >> > right at 495 and 270 on the way back into VA. yeah they said >that >> it >> > jsut started sparking and he tried to gain control but couldnt. >> flip >> > top came from impact.... >> > >> > Vicious >> > ill find the actual post >> > >> > --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "MR ORIGINALITY" >> > wrote: >> > > "AA" guy? african american? alcoholics anonymous? anne >> arundel? >> > > hell nawwwwwwww, i aint hear bout it! where'd it happen? bike >> > > started "sparking?" wtf? flip top came up upon impact or from >> > wind >> > > or? >> > > >> > > CANNON >> > > "DAMN!!!" >> > > >> > > --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "Pretty Vicious 929" >> > > wrote: >> > > > did you hear about the AA guy last week? he was goin home >from >> > B&N >> > > > on 495, new 04 r1, flip top helmet....bike started >> > sparking...tried >> > > > to control it...couldnt. anyway, he died on the scene...the >> flip >> > > top >> > > > came up... >> > > > >> > > > Vicious >> > > > :( >> > > > >> > > > --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "MR ORIGINALITY" >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > with gear, do any of u believe that the same rules apply as >> > they >> > > do >> > > > > to motorcycle manufacturers ie WIN ON SUNDAY, SELL ON >> MONDAY? >> > > > > Gixxers def came to the forefront of sales after miladin >was >> > > > whoopin >> > > > > azz in ama... i'm asking all this because i had a NOLAN >> > fliptop >> > > > > helmet and thought it was some shit, not just THAT helmet >but >> > the >> > > > > WHOLE nolan lineup! Now, while watching this Assen gp vid, >i >> > see >> > > > > milandri rockin da "NOLAN" ish and i wonder if mu'fuggaz >have >> > or >> > > > will >> > > > > start rushing to buy em for that reason. Most mu'fuggaz >are >> > > stuck >> > > > on >> > > > > arai and shoei, with a new interest in suomy and ogk's... >> will >> > > > nolan >> > > > > be next? >> > > > > >> > > > > CANNON >> > > > > "just a lil bike talk" > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> >Yahoo! Autos. Everything you need to know about buying >or selling a car. FREE Quotes, 360)B° Tours, Research, >Blue Book, Compare Vehicles, Buy Used >http://us.click.yahoo.com/kEZsdA/bwnGAA/YiGOAA/tc3olB/TM >--------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >To get outta this group send a message to: >roadrunnaz-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > >BUT WHY? WE ARE THE BEST! > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > ><*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roadrunnaz/ > ><*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > roadrunnaz-unsubscribe@XXXXXX > ><*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 17:03:15 2004 From: Daniel To: Mike Bartman Cc: Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:02:31 -0400 I just posted a fwd of the message regarding the guy with the flip face helmet. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 17:04:15 2004 From: Daniel To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:03:31 -0400 sparking, as in sparks flying off of something From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 18:02:16 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 15:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > A flip up that "flips up" in a crash becomes a 3/4 helmet, > > more or less. > > Bottom line - they're not as strong. Yes, one can sustain increased > injuries, and those can lead to death. This is not an isolated occurance. Not as strong, yes. But whether that's significant is not known, IMO. I have still never seen a single documented instance where a flip-front has opened in a crash -- nothing in MCN, Motorcyclist, Cycle World, Rider, etc., and nothing that I can find on the Web. If you're going to state that "This is not an isolated occurance," you should be able to cite at least one indirect reference. Does anyone have one, or is this in a league with the cat in the microwave? -- Larry (Nolan 100 and Arrow/Jarow in use, and an Arai Quantum F gathering dust...) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 18:16:41 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:18:52 -0400 My Nolan still doesn't latch fully if I just push the chinbar down. I've even tried slamming it so hard that it hits my chin from force and it still won't latch. The only way to get it to latch is if I lower it and push in (squeeze) on the cheek/jaw section of the helmet at the same time. Then it'll let out a distinct click as it catches. The helmet does squeeze my jaw below my earlobes quite a bit more when it's closed than when it's open. I've taken it apart several times and don't believe that there's anything wrong with the latching mechanism. It's just the alignment of the 2 pieces aren't right with my head in the helmet. The only way I know it's latched is if I yank out on the chinbar. It never pops back open if I just close it normally (like what you would think is all it takes to close it) and easily leads to a false sense of security. FWIW, Mike -----Original Message----- From: Daniel [mailto:motorcycle@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 5:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: (fwd) *beep beep* Re: helmets/gear/etc... On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:58:23 -0000, "Pretty Vicious 929" wrote: >he had the red/black 04 r1....ive seen him a rack of times...nice guy. >and yeah those guys... > >heres the posts.... > >Mike (Red/Black 2004 R1) passed away this early this morning. >Witnesses said that his bike malfunctioned. There were sparks coming >from his bike and he fought to control the bike before it skidded out >from under him. This happened after the 270 ramp onto 495. He suffered >internal and head injuries. EMS and doctors could not revived him. He >passed away at 1:30 this morning. He will be deeply Missed. > > >Thanks for all the kind words. I will post up ANy other news to come. >Its crazy this guy never did any crazy stuff always safe. When they >were riding home they were only going about 60 on 495 and a witness >said sparks was flying and he try to keep control of the bike and fell >off. His helmet came off from the fall. he had one of them flip up >helmets. we are all confused not knowing what really happend. I just >got a call from where we hung out and meet at the scene seeing them >giving him cpr and putting him in the ambulance. > > >Vicious >sad :( > >--- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "MR ORIGINALITY" > wrote: >> YEAH OK, I REMEMBER THEM... they had a rack of phillipinos out that >> night... U pointed em out to me one time! I'm not familiar wit em >> outside of u pointing at em and saying that they were HUGE and had >a >> lil bit of errybody. was the bike straight up and down, was he >> leaning, what? sparking huh? damn... >> >> CANNON >> "damn" >> >> --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "Pretty Vicious 929" >> wrote: >> > Asphalt Alliance...theyre ALWAYS at B&N...big crew...multi- >> > nationalities....nice guys. one of has the roll cage. it >happened >> > right at 495 and 270 on the way back into VA. yeah they said >that >> it >> > jsut started sparking and he tried to gain control but couldnt. >> flip >> > top came from impact.... >> > >> > Vicious >> > ill find the actual post >> > >> > --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "MR ORIGINALITY" >> > wrote: >> > > "AA" guy? african american? alcoholics anonymous? anne >> arundel? >> > > hell nawwwwwwww, i aint hear bout it! where'd it happen? bike >> > > started "sparking?" wtf? flip top came up upon impact or from >> > wind >> > > or? >> > > >> > > CANNON >> > > "DAMN!!!" >> > > >> > > --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "Pretty Vicious 929" >> > > wrote: >> > > > did you hear about the AA guy last week? he was goin home >from >> > B&N >> > > > on 495, new 04 r1, flip top helmet....bike started >> > sparking...tried >> > > > to control it...couldnt. anyway, he died on the scene...the >> flip >> > > top >> > > > came up... >> > > > >> > > > Vicious >> > > > :( >> > > > >> > > > --- In roadrunnaz@XXXXXX, "MR ORIGINALITY" >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > with gear, do any of u believe that the same rules apply as >> > they >> > > do >> > > > > to motorcycle manufacturers ie WIN ON SUNDAY, SELL ON >> MONDAY? >> > > > > Gixxers def came to the forefront of sales after miladin >was >> > > > whoopin >> > > > > azz in ama... i'm asking all this because i had a NOLAN >> > fliptop >> > > > > helmet and thought it was some shit, not just THAT helmet >but >> > the >> > > > > WHOLE nolan lineup! Now, while watching this Assen gp vid, >i >> > see >> > > > > milandri rockin da "NOLAN" ish and i wonder if mu'fuggaz >have >> > or >> > > > will >> > > > > start rushing to buy em for that reason. Most mu'fuggaz >are >> > > stuck >> > > > on >> > > > > arai and shoei, with a new interest in suomy and ogk's... >> will >> > > > nolan >> > > > > be next? >> > > > > >> > > > > CANNON >> > > > > "just a lil bike talk" > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 20:11:20 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:11:11 -0400 > that I can find on the Web. If you're going to state that > "This is not an isolated occurance," you should be able to > cite at least one indirect reference. Does anyone have one, > or is this in a league with the cat in the microwave? Fran Crane in the 1999 Iron Butt Rally. What actually killed her was an incorrect IV given by hospital personnel. Helmet failure (I believe she was wearing a Nolan) contributed to her being in the hospital with a concussion in the first place. Maybe not a direct result, but definitely contributory. That being said, you're MUCH better off (orders of magniture better) with a flip-up helmet than none or one of those beanies loved by the already brain-dead. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 22:27:24 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:27:06 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Lister Lynch CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) Lister Lynch wrote: > My Nolan still doesn't latch fully if I just push the chinbar down. > I've even tried slamming it so hard that it hits my chin from force and > it still won't latch. The only way to get it to latch is if I lower it > and push in (squeeze) on the cheek/jaw section of the helmet at the same > time. I ended up going to a 2-handed method for closing the Nolans I had. One hand behind the helmet, at the base of the neck. Other one on the front, pushing it firmly shut until I heard the clicks. Got to where I could do it quickly as I was riding down the...errr, I could do it quickly when I wasn't moving, yeah, that's it. And I never used that throttle lock while moving either, yeah. And all hands always on the bars at all times... yeah. Uh huh. Word. On second thought, nevermind, never wore one, nope. I don't even ride motorcycles any more. Yeah. Cages rock! :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 22:31:05 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:16:05 -0400 To: Daniel , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: (fwd) *beep beep* Re: helmets/gear/etc... At 05:01 PM 7/5/04 -0400, Daniel wrote: > >>heres the posts.... >> >>Mike (Red/Black 2004 R1) passed away this early this morning. >>Witnesses said that his bike malfunctioned. There were sparks coming >>from his bike and he fought to control the bike before it skidded out >>from under him. I'd guess the sparks were from metal grinding on metal, not from electrical problems. Wonder what went wrong? Sure sounds like a mechanical fault of some sort, but was it a manufacturing defect, a maintenance issue, or maybe road debris? Too bad the NTSB doesn't investigate things like this and publish reports. >>fell off. His helmet came off from the fall. he had one of them flip >>up helmets. It shouldn't be possible to get a helmet off while it's fastened without taking part of the head and/or face with it...not if it fits properly and is fastened properly. I read a review of several new helmets from several major manufacturers a few months ago, and they described the "pull off" test, where they'd fasten a helmet onto a test subject properly, then try to pull it off by lifting up on the rear and trying to get it over the head enough to release the strap from the chin. All of the helmets failed in this way on one subject or another due to slight variation in head shape, but usually what failed on one subject was fine on another. The Nolan was good on everyone except one guy who had problems with several of the others too. There's more to helmet fit than whether you can get it on, whether it crushes your forehead, or you can see out the front...though those are important aspects of fit too. If you can pull it off in the showroom, it can easily come off in a crash. (hopefully, everyone here already knows that, but just in case...). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 22:31:12 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:30:53 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. Michael Jordan wrote: >>that I can find on the Web. If you're going to state that >>"This is not an isolated occurance," you should be able to >>cite at least one indirect reference. Does anyone have one, >>or is this in a league with the cat in the microwave? > > > Fran Crane in the 1999 Iron Butt Rally. What actually killed her was an > incorrect IV given by hospital personnel. Helmet failure (I believe she was > wearing a Nolan) contributed to her being in the hospital with a concussion > in the first place. Yeah, that was sad news about Fran. But I wish someone would have come forward with some more information about her helmet, and what happened to it during the crash, since the Nolans and other flip-front helmets are so popular, particularly among the long-distance crowd. I used to wear mine with the facebar up quite a bit, especially in hot weather. It was a bad habit, made it even worse than a 3/4 helmet since there was no facescreen, and that was another reason I went back to the full-face helmets. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 22:31:52 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 22:31:43 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sporty Shaft PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Seems to me that someone on this list was talking about the lack of real > sportbikes with shaft drive. > Try this. > Standard 4cyl. layout. > "167hp. @ 10,250rpm. > 96ft-lb torque @ 8,250rpm. > Top speed close to 186mph. > 547Pounds fully fueled and ready to ride." > Shaft drive. > A _BMW_ no less. The K1200S due to be introduced in Sept. > And it is purty. Sounds like a step in the right direction. :) -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 23:01:16 2004 Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:02:44 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Helmets and concussion (was: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet.) At 08:11 PM 7/5/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >incorrect IV given by hospital personnel. Helmet failure (I believe she was >wearing a Nolan) contributed to her being in the hospital with a concussion >in the first place. A helmet can reduce the chance of a concussion, but they aren't magic. An inch or less of styrofoam can only absorb just so much energy, and delay impact only up to a point...then your head has to slow down fast anyway. The helmet may work perfectly, and you could get a concussion anyway. For those who haven't spent much time in medical school or talking to doctors, a concussion is basically a bruised brain. What does your brain hit to get a bruise? The inside of your skull. The brain is not all that solid...more spongy. It sits inside your skull, and with enough acceleration (as in when you fall and hit your head), will slosh violently, and hit the inside of the skull, and sustain some damage both from impact and from distortion resulting from that impact. If the damage is severe enough, you die. A bit less and you can get swelling, and maybe you die, maybe you get better, and maybe they have to open your skull a bit to release the pressure from the swelling, because the swelling can cause damage of its own. Less than that and you probably just get a concussion...not enough swelling to matter long term, no vital connections broken, just some bruising, probably (but not necessarily) a little unconsciousness for a while, and a really bad headache among other side effects (some of which may last for months, or even longer). Less impact than that and the brain is fine, and maybe you get a lump on your skull from soft tissue or bone bruising on the outside. The trick is to spread the deceleration out over time, to limit the required accelerations so the brain doesn't slosh so much as to get hurt. That's what crushable helmet linings are for. You spread your deceleration from whatever to zero out over that 1" or so, rather than stopping in a millimeter or whatever. It's not much, but it can cut the force applied, and the resulting acceleration of your head, considerably. On the other hand, if the speed is high enough (either from body speed or from spinning in the crash, or from the thing you hit moving the other way or whatever...it's the speed of your head relative to what it hits at the time of impact that matters, not what the speedo said when you lost it...assuming that what you hit is much more massive than your head) then even the reduced acceleration will be high enough to cause brain sloshing and resulting damage. Helmets also protect against abrasion up to a point, and against sharp-object penetration to some extent too...that's the job of the outer shell, but that's not really involved in the concussion area much. Oh, and a friend who takes apart dead people for a living says that the patterns of brain bruising resulting from a fall and that from a blunt impact (as from a baseball bat) are very different...and she's testified to that in court many times. I still can't see why this would be, at least not in *all* cases, and there was a long discussion in the forum where that came up without it getting a lot clearer, so I won't get into it here...other than to point out that in a severe fall impact you get *two* injury sites on the brain. One where the impact happened, and one on the opposite side, from rebound as the brain bounces back and hits the other side the skull. This is called "coup-contrecoup brain injury". There's a cool little movie of this happening at item #3 on this page: http://www.neuroskills.com/index.shtml?main=/edu/ceufunction3.shtml -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 23:33:03 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:32:03 -0400 Subject: Is there an FZ6 Fazer owner on list? If so, ping me offline if you can. *** Non-moto: My CD player was stolen out of my car, along with approx. 300 CDs in a big CD carrying case sometime b/t 07-04:2200 and 07-05:1100. They slim-jimmed the driver door lock open and snipped all the wiring harness leads. Pretty careful job -- very clean (fortunately, I s'pose). I was thinking about a new CD player with Sirrus or XM service and was hoping for some thoughts/advice on the topic. -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "It would have been cheaper if they'd stolen me instead" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 23:53:26 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:53:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) To: Lister Lynch Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Lister Lynch wrote: > > My Nolan still doesn't latch fully if I just push the chinbar down. > I've even tried slamming it so hard that it hits my chin from force and > it still won't latch. The only way to get it to latch is if I lower it > and push in (squeeze) on the cheek/jaw section of the helmet at the same > time. > Then it'll let out a distinct click as it catches. The helmet does > squeeze my jaw below my earlobes quite a bit more when it's closed than > when it's open. > > I've taken it apart several times and don't believe that there's > anything wrong with the latching mechanism. It's just the alignment of > the 2 pieces aren't right with my head in the helmet. > > The only way I know it's latched is if I yank out on the chinbar. It never > pops back open if I just close it normally (like what you would think is all > it takes to close it) and easily leads to a false sense of security. Sounds like a defective helmet. I'd return it -- and I'd bet Nolan would exchange it. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 23:55:31 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: HJC Sy-Max Helmet. To: Michael Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > Fran Crane in the 1999 Iron Butt Rally. What actually killed her was an > incorrect IV given by hospital personnel. Helmet failure (I believe she was > wearing a Nolan) contributed to her being in the hospital with a concussion > in the first place. > > Maybe not a direct result, but definitely contributory. But Nolan makes lots of types of helmets, including full-face and three-quarters, and "helmet failure" covers a lot of possibilities besides flip-up failure. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 5 23:57:54 2004 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 20:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: (fwd) *beep beep* Re: helmets/gear/etc... To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > It shouldn't be possible to get a helmet off while it's fastened without > taking part of the head and/or face with it...not if it fits properly and > is fastened properly. Aye, there's the rub. A lot of riders wear helmets that are too large, many becuase they misjudge how much the padding will re-shape during the break-in period. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 00:59:33 2004 From: "Shigeru Honda" To: "Gary Foreman" , Subject: Re: Anyone have an old helmet they are going to toss? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 01:01:02 -0400 I got 2 Shoei helmets that are banged up from my crash at race and track day... I wanted to keep it as personal trophy but no place for it so it can be someone else's treasure... BTW, I live in Alexandria (N.Va)... too lazy to ship it... may be we can meet somewhere? time for another Bike Night? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Foreman" To: Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Anyone have an old helmet they are going to toss? > I'm looking for a few Full Face helmets that are soon to be tossed, just to > try some paint jobs on. I will be tossing them too :-) > > Somehow I can't bring myself to practice on my Arai :-) > > I'll pay shipping. > > Gary > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 09:20:17 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: DC Cycles , "'Sean Steele'" Subject: RE: SmartTag redux and traffic court update Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:15:30 -0400 Sean, I commute from Arlington to Herndon everyday and that happens to me all the time. The larger toll booth at Tysons quite often does not read the tag on the bike or the car. The smaller booths almost always do. Thankfully, because they have the gates that need to go up! In six months of commuting I have never gotten a citation in the mail or talking to by the police. -Rich > ---------- > From: Sean Steele > Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2004 10:40 AM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: SmartTag redux and traffic court update > > Well, strange thing -- riding out there (westbound) I didn't register > ("Toll not paid!! REPENT!") at the main toll booth near Tyson's but I > did register at the northbound Sully Rd. exit booth (go figger) -- > riding back (eastbound) I actually took Rt. 7E so don't know if I would > have registered at the eastbound Dulles/Sully Rd. toll booth -- but > again, at the main booth I got a "Toll not paid!! REPROBATE!" nastygram. > > I'll call (sorta)SmartTag to check the ticker tape on Tuesday. > > Thanks for the advice, all. > > -Sean > > P.S. When riding through right-most westbound SmartTag lane at the main > toll booth, I was flanked by a VST -- he must have not noticed or not > cared that the sign said "Toll not paid!! SHOOT ON SIGHT!" when I went > through. Gave me a good chuckle, though, after dishing out $140 to > Arlington County for a speeding ticket. Yeesh. > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > I too had a "roadside conference" about this with a VSP trooper. He > said > > "you can't just run the toll." I said, "I've got the transponder > mounted on > > my windshield and it didn't register." He let me go. > > > > Apparently VA has no back-up system to deal with failed readings. > Members > > of the E-ZPass consortium do. I don't know what means when VA joins the > > consortium. Last month, I had a failed reading exiting the PA turnpike, > but, > > sure enough, the toll is on my statement. Pa. Turnpike and other > agencies > > have photo equipment that records violations. If your plate is in the > > database, they dun your E-ZPass account manually. If not, they send you > a > > violation notice for the toll + a fine using the address provided in the > > DMV's database. > > > > Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org > > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "rich hall" > > > > > >>Back when I had a Seca II and commuted that way I'd shove it under the > >>windscreen. Mine wasn't painted black though. It'll work. The tag > does > >>malfunction sometimes. I was pulled over once when it did. Pointed it > > > > out > > > >>to the Trooper. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 11:16:59 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX '" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 11:19:08 -0400 I think that's a great idea! Hey, any excuse to go back to that store in Castelnuovo di Garfagnana, Lucca, Italy. Otherwise, I might have a problem here, as it's a European helmet, no DOT stickers or anything. Mike -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX To: Lister Lynch Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 7/5/2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) --- Lister Lynch wrote: > > My Nolan still doesn't latch fully if I just push the chinbar down. > > The only way I know it's latched is if I yank out on the chinbar. It never > pops back open if I just close it normally (like what you would think is all > it takes to close it) and easily leads to a false sense of security. Sounds like a defective helmet. I'd return it -- and I'd bet Nolan would exchange it. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 11:33:56 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:33:49 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Drilled and done Baldinos had no luck making my cut key work in the helmet/seat lock. We tried for almost two hours, then I had him drill the lock. Now the seat latches firmly. So what if my bike tools and battery could get stolen - they never were that safe or valuable to begin with. And I never trusted the helmet lock. $20 well spent. Now I can find my keys tonight in the sofa. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 11:49:06 2004 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 08:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Found Keys. X-Virus-Checked: Checked Troutman wrote: > Now I can find my keys tonight in the sofa. Hey, if you should happen upon a big black motorcycle under the cushions, let me know, yeah? Took the train and bus in to work today. Two hours, five bucks. Urrgh. The pain. -- Fish. i guess i'll be getting more reading done, tho From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 12:01:55 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:00:51 -0400 Subject: Moto lunch? I'll be at the Pho 75 restaurant in Rosslyn at 12:30, if anyone cares to join me. White guy, shaven head, about 5'9" -- look for the blue/black mesh jacket. I'll hang around for a bit before I sit down to become a fool on some pho. 1721 Wilson Blvd. Arlington, VA (703) 525-7355 Pho 75: "Diners sit at communal tables amid spartan surroundings..." http://www.washingtonian.com/dining/restaurantDetail.asp?id=166 -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "Grease2diesel convo kit for cages but no pho2gas for my..." Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 12:06:59 2004 Subject: RE: Moto lunch? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:06:50 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Hells yes. See you there in 25 minutes mate. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Steele [mailto:sean@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:01 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Moto lunch? > > I'll be at the Pho 75 restaurant in Rosslyn at 12:30, if > anyone cares to > join me. White guy, shaven head, about 5'9" -- look for the > blue/black mesh jacket. I'll hang around for a bit before I > sit down to become a fool on some pho. > > 1721 Wilson Blvd. > Arlington, VA > (703) 525-7355 > > Pho 75: "Diners sit at communal tables amid spartan surroundings..." > http://www.washingtonian.com/dining/restaurantDetail.asp?id=166 > > -Sean > WAR-shington, DC > '92 "Grease2diesel convo kit for cages but no pho2gas for > my..." Seca II > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 12:53:43 2004 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: helmets (flip-up not latching) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Works for me! Have you ever been hassled about the lack of DOT sicker? I'm curious, since I often ride in my Arrow, which I bought in London -- also without any US stickers. -- Larry --- Lister Lynch wrote: > I think that's a great idea! Hey, any excuse to go back to that store in > Castelnuovo di Garfagnana, Lucca, Italy. Otherwise, I might have a problem > here, as it's a European helmet, no DOT stickers or anything. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 14:42:57 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:42:47 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Service Manual PDF For years I have maintained a number of VFR service manuals and parts catalogs in PDF on my website (troutman.org/ftp/pub/) and wondered about the legality of hosting them. I have never been approached by Honda or anyone else to take them down. Today I found this on eBay - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7909400614 - some guy is selling the manuals he probably downloaded from my site. My guess is that Honda wouldn't like that too much either, and it isn't brilliant to draw attention to it by selling them on eBay. Along those lines, Google turns up my PDFs. Should I take them down? Tens of thousands of downloads say people like them online, but it isn't worth legal trouble. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 14:54:18 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "Troutman" CC: "DC Cycles" Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 14:53:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Service Manual PDF I'd guess yours would be considered a fairly straightforward copyright infringement case IF you were charging for them, like that ebay guy is... but since you're not, and Honda has never hassled you, and nobody's calling you at night and heavy breathing into your phone -- oh wait, that's my house -- I wouldn't worry too much. It's a public service of arguable value to the general public. But I'm no lawyer. And I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, or at any time in the last 30 days, so YMMV. -Sean Troutman wrote: > For years I have maintained a number of VFR service manuals and parts > catalogs in PDF on my website (troutman.org/ftp/pub/) and wondered about > the legality of hosting them. I have never been approached by Honda or > anyone else to take them down. Today I found this on eBay - > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7909400614 > - some guy is selling the manuals he probably downloaded from my site. > > My guess is that Honda wouldn't like that too much either, and it isn't > brilliant to draw attention to it by selling them on eBay. > > Along those lines, Google turns up my PDFs. Should I take them down? > Tens of thousands of downloads say people like them online, but it isn't > worth legal trouble. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 15:02:02 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Service Manual PDF Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:01:31 -0400 I fell for the ad myself. The ad I saw showed a color image of the shop manual, the correct Honda part number and no mention whatsoever of photocopies. I was pretty ticked when I got it but I can't blame anyone else but myself. My guess is that he is "borrowing" his employer's high speed copier when no one is looking. It could be Kinko's but the last time I went to them for a single copy of a blueprint they gave me such thorough copyright exam I thought I was going to have to turn my head and cough for them :) Cedric P.S. There are some PDF tools that will let you encode the files so that they can't be downloaded or printed. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 2:43 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Service Manual PDF For years I have maintained a number of VFR service manuals and parts catalogs in PDF on my website (troutman.org/ftp/pub/) and wondered about the legality of hosting them. I have never been approached by Honda or anyone else to take them down. Today I found this on eBay - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7909400614 - some guy is selling the manuals he probably downloaded from my site. My guess is that Honda wouldn't like that too much either, and it isn't brilliant to draw attention to it by selling them on eBay. Along those lines, Google turns up my PDFs. Should I take them down? Tens of thousands of downloads say people like them online, but it isn't worth legal trouble. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 15:06:09 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:05:11 -0400 Subject: Wow... wow. Wow. "A highway full of cars is like a prairie full of stampeding buffalo or a plain of charging rhinos. From inside a car, protected by steel bars and air bags, these motorcycle thrill-seekers look like the biggest fools on the planet, trying to outrun a herd of charging rhinos while naked by weaving in and out and cutting lanes up the middle. Their bullfighter mentality contains no thought for the danger their risky behavior poses to their passengers and fellow travelers." http://www.suntimes.com/output/otherviews/cst-edt-bald02.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 15:24:01 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:23:48 EDT Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Don't know whether to consider it a help to or slam against motorcyclists. In a way, she is promoting the idea of becoming observent towards motorcyclists but, calling all of us idiots isn't promoting us in a good light either. Scooter In a message dated 7/6/2004 3:06:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: "A highway full of cars is like a prairie full of stampeding buffalo or a plain of charging rhinos. From inside a car, protected by steel bars and air bags, these motorcycle thrill-seekers look like the biggest fools on the planet, trying to outrun a herd of charging rhinos while naked by weaving in and out and cutting lanes up the middle. Their bullfighter mentality contains no thought for the danger their risky behavior poses to their passengers and fellow travelers." http://www.suntimes.com/output/otherviews/cst-edt-bald02.html From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 17:08:25 2004 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 14:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX If you put yourself in the perspective from a non-biking commuter, i would totally understand her opnions. This past monday riding on the Beltway would have been a perfect reason to hate motorcyclists. Riding my bike i saw a group of riders on the highway with TWO riders out of the four doing stand-up wheelies at a fairly high rate of speed. I am sure this would frighten most of the cars around them and definately made a very negative view of all motorcyclist. I can understand some of the frustration by the cagers because imagine if he would F-up his little stunt and send a bike across the Beltway. The chain reaction would have been fairly ugly because traffic was a bit heavy. Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 17:25:50 2004 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 17:33:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Kathleen E. Miller" Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. At 05:08 PM 7/6/2004, Ryan Santoso wrote: >I am sure this would frighten most of the cars around >them and definately made a very negative view of all >motorcyclist. I can understand some of the frustration >by the cagers because imagine if he would F-up his >little stunt and send a bike across the Beltway. The >chain reaction would have been fairly ugly because >traffic was a bit heavy. Me too. Coming home from OC on Memorial Day in all of Rte. 50's glorious traffic in the Ford F-350, about 6-10 sport bikes came flying through, weaving between cars and lanes at about 90-100 miles per hour with no regard for the feeling of others. I could hear the Doppler effect. Idiots, the lot of them. Of course, we could have crushed them all in the BMF. (That's short for Big Mother F**ker, my boyfriend's affectionate name for the beloved diesel monster). From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 6 19:38:26 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Almost motorcycles -- Favorite convertibles Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:37:50 -0400 This piece on favorite convertibles brought back a lot of memories (wore out an A-H Sprite and an Alfa Spyder, sadly neither mentioned). "Various model years of the Mustang easily topped the list, with 25 percent more votes than the second-place Mazda Miata. Add in ballots for the Shelby GT350 and the GT500 of years ago, and Ford's margin of victory was even stronger." http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?siteid=mktw&dist=nwtam&guid=%7B9C7 04E1D%2D4EBD%2D4C0E%2D827B%2D2EC337DEA3C6%7D Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > More fun per pound! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 09:10:19 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:09:56 -0400 To: DC Cycles "It takes longer to stop a motorcycle than a car." I thought sportbikes stopped pretty well, with comparable stopping distances to ABS-equipped cars. My own seat-of-the-pants impression is that I can slow down my bike much more quickly than either of my cars, but overall stopping distance might not be much different. On Jul 6, 2004, at 3:05 PM, Sean Steele wrote: > "A highway full of cars is like a prairie full of stampeding buffalo > or a plain of charging rhinos. From inside a car, protected by steel > bars and air bags, these motorcycle thrill-seekers look like the > biggest fools on the planet, trying to outrun a herd of charging > rhinos while naked by weaving in and out and cutting lanes up the > middle. Their bullfighter mentality contains no thought for the danger > their risky behavior poses to their passengers and fellow travelers." > > http://www.suntimes.com/output/otherviews/cst-edt-bald02.html > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 10:23:28 2004 Subject: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:23:24 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" After a nice four day break, last night finds me on my oh so familiar commute from Bethesda to Arlington at 2:15 am. Am driving fast but am within sight\stopping distance. See the first deer and I start to slow down. Around the bend is a second deer pointing the same way I am. I am tempted to gun it but take the lister consensus and come to an almost complete stop. I start to accelerate and the deer decides imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and starts to run along a parallel course to me. Next thing I know the little guy does an interception course towards me. I again decided to brake and hoped it would not run into me at a stop. Pheww. Now lets segue to Canal road. I am wearing my brand spanking new Shoei RF-1000 helmet which is lightweight, great ventilation with the only downside being more wind noise. $263.00 to my door. The lister that pointed me to that site has earned themselves a couple of drinks if they are ever in Bethesda. Heading down Canal Road at a nice clip. Maintaining my sight\stopping distance but am also in a zone quite different from the recommended guideline. Around the bend, it's a UFO!, no it is a plane streaking towards me at Mach 1 with four lights....no it is American Graffiti. 2 cars drag racing in BOTH lanes. What do I do? Do I run off the road into the grass and probably ditch my bike? Do I try for some fancy movie-worthy J-turn on a bike and hightail it out of there in front of these clowns? I don't even know how to do a J-turn on a bike. I thought I was done in. I was adrenalized but calm and thinking about how much I would feel. On one side I have a jersey wall, on the other forestry. I flash my high beams and maintain my speed. Do I go between the cars? Do I veer across the lanes and go between the car and the trees? Do I stay in MY effing lane and try to squeeze between the jersey wall and the $%^&head in my lane? I am oddly detached from my impending move. I think I started yelling and flashing my lights. I stayed in my lane and got super adrenalized. I had a second to hope that If I became a hood ornament I would at least have a chance of smashing this idiot into oblivion. A blur of motion and I am through. Did not sleep well last night. I thought about retiring the bike for this commute but have decided not. Id this ever, ever happen again, what is the safest way to escape two shitheads on a collision course? No I did not get license plate numbers. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 10:31:25 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 10:31:19 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice At 10:23 AM 7/7/2004, you wrote: >Next thing I >know the little guy does an interception course towards me. I again >decided to brake and hoped it would not run into me at a stop. Like the super intelligence-free squirrels, deer are erratic and unpredictable. When you see one, expect at least two more to be in the area. Go slow and be careful when you see their fuzzy noggins. As for American Graffitti, I have never had that situation appear. Sounds like you did the right thing, but it would be hard for me to trust two idiots to see me and react to get out of the way. I think high beams, horn and hugging the far right jersey wall is probably a good way to go. You have a whole different 'commuting' crowd at 2am. Hell, my 5pm crowd is a lot different from the 6pm group if I stay a bit late. Quite a bit more dangerous with all of the drunks, deer and darkness. No advice, just ride safe! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 10:47:38 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.50) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 7 Jul 2004 14:45:31 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: "Julian Halton" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:47:03 -0500 Subject: Re: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:23:24 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" Subject: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice > > > ... A blur of motion and I am through. Did not sleep well last > night. > > If this ever, ever happen again, what is the safest way to escape two > shitheads on a collision course? Man, I've no counsel at all on how best to avoid drag-racing assholes on a narrow, confined road, but since you managed to do so, I'd say you don't need advice from us. I do recommend sacrificing a fatted calf or whatever might please the deity you worship. If it were me, I do so first thing, right after I changed my underware. David -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 10:59:13 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:59:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, David Blumgart wrote: > Man, I've no counsel at all on how best to avoid drag-racing assholes on > a narrow, confined road, but since you managed to do so, I'd say you don't > need advice from us. I do recommend sacrificing a fatted calf or whatever > might please the deity you worship. If it were me, I do so first thing, > right after I changed my underware. Today might be a good day to buy a couple lottery tickets. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 11:03:10 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:03:08 -0400 To: Troutman , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice At 10:31 AM 7/7/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >You have a whole different 'commuting' crowd at 2am. Hell, my 5pm crowd is >a lot different from the 6pm group if I stay a bit late. Quite a bit more >dangerous with all of the drunks, deer and darkness. No advice, just ride >safe! Agreed! Julian did good it sounds like. Can't think of any options he didn't think of. Only suggestion I might have is to pick a different route home, to avoid more deer and maybe avoid a few drunks and dain-bramaged idiots, or at least have more options if you do. For instance, less direct route out of Maryland, but fewer deer, is Arlington to Old Georgetown Road, to the Beltway, then around into Virginia. After that I'm not sure what would be best...maybe 66? GW Parkway? (likely to have deer I'd expect). That gets you out of Maryland and all the way down to Old Town if you need it without ever using a road less than 4 lanes wide. Even with the deer-brained idiots (both furry and four-wheeled), 4 lanes is better than 2 for options. Only other option is to put some serious air pistons on your bike, with a compressed air tank so you can 6-million-dollar-bike it over oncoming deer-brained idiots...best done with a dirt bike though I think... ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 13:54:15 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'santosor2001@XXXXXX'" , "'millerk@XXXXXX'" Subject: Wow... wow. Wow. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:56:26 -0400 Ryan Suggested, " "Riding my bike i saw a group of riders on the highway with TWO riders out of the four doing stand-up wheelies at a fairly high rate of speed. I am sure this would frighten most of the cars around them and definately made a very negative view of all motorcyclist. I can understand some of the frustration by the cagers because imagine if he would F-up his little stunt and send a bike across the Beltway. The chain reaction would have been fairly ugly because traffic was a bit heavy." Kathleen E. Mulled, "Me too. <> Idiots, the lot of them. Of course, we could have crushed them all in the BMF." Before we sympathize with the frightened cagers condemning all motorcyclists for the few idiots, consider the public safety risks . . . and implications. If wheelie guy f-k's up, he damages himself and maybe scares the crap outta a cager or two. Public safety risk: Darwin: 1, Idiot: 0, innocent cager: - one pair of drawers If someone in a BMF, f-k's up because they were changing a CD, choked on the burger they were narfing, or just got too-engaged with the phone conversation, then they damage others who happened to be in the way - and - because it's a BMF, they are likely to come away undamaged. Public safety risk: BMF makers 1, Idiot 1, Darwin 0, innocent cager: - one life. Yes, condemn the antics of the idiots on two wheels but add to the message that an out-of-control motorcycle will do far less damage to innocents than an out-of-control two-ton cage. Tell cagers to consider motorcycles as chlorine for the gene pool. Where does that leave Monster Cages? Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 15:20:10 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 15:19:11 -0400 To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. At 01:56 PM 7/7/04 -0400, Custer, Carl wrote: >Before we sympathize with the frightened cagers condemning all motorcyclists >for the few idiots, consider the public safety risks . . . and implications. > >If wheelie guy f-k's up, he damages himself and maybe scares the crap outta >a cager or two. >Public safety risk: Darwin: 1, Idiot: 0, innocent cager: - one pair of >drawers Alternate scenario, given the serious overcrowding on the beltway (which is handling 2-4 times the level of traffic it was designed for): Wheelie guy f-k's up, he damages himself and causes a 10 car pileup across 3 lanes of the beltway, resulting in 2 deaths and 4 serious hospitalizations, and a stoppage of the beltway for 3 hours of cleanup and investigation. Public safety risk: Darwin:1, Idiot: 0, innocent cagers: 2 dead, 4 seriously injured, 4-16 new seriously anti-motorcycle motorists among the crash victims and hundreds more among those stuck in the resulting traffic jam for the next 4-8 hours (traffic won't unsnarl even after the cleanup and investigation for a long while). I've personally seen 10 cars pile up in a single lane when someone made a stupid move (wasn't even raining...). Tailgating is common around here. The scenario above could easily be far worse. Remember back about '83 when a small car cut off a semi carrying a load of flourescent light fixtures on the Cabin John Bridge (now called the American Legion Bridge)? The semi ended up hanging over the river, traffic was stopped for almost 12 hours, and the backup went halfway around Washington. I remember it as I lived in Bethesda, but was working near Tyson's Corner. It has happened, it could happen again...particularly with stunting jackasses on the roads. >Yes, condemn the antics of the idiots on two wheels but add to the message >that an out-of-control motorcycle will do far less damage to innocents than >an out-of-control two-ton cage. Direct damage, perhaps. Indirect damage? Depends on the details of the situation. Could go lots of ways. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 15:25:04 2004 Subject: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:00 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Technical... Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? Gear... Anyone have a best price on a Dowco G-50 sport bike cover? Thanks again for all the advice\help from everyone. Most times..when I get a dumb attack and want to ride hard without all my gear OR do something silly...this tribunal of all your voices whispers..don't...be...an...unsafe....idiot and I usually check myself. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 15:32:09 2004 Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:32:01 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" Maybe you should watch 'Torque' Julian. Apparently it's possible to do a stoppie-180 while redlining it in 2nd while licking your lips and knifefighting. . ... On second thoughts, don't EVER watch this movie. I was subjected to it this weekend. My eyes are only just recovering from the monstrosity. > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:25 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Two Questions > > > Technical... > Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? > > Gear... > Anyone have a best price on a Dowco G-50 sport bike cover? > > > Thanks again for all the advice\help from everyone. Most > times..when I get a dumb attack and want to ride hard without > all my gear OR do something silly...this tribunal of all your > voices whispers..don't...be...an...unsafe....idiot and I > usually check myself. > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 15:41:21 2004 Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:41:18 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Smith, Andrew" , "DC Cycles" I actually paid to see that piece of trash. It made me angry. I, Robot looks to have some moto scenes...and the moto goes to Ducati again....Black Rain, Matrix II and I, Robot...I wonder how many people actually get Ducati's in order for one to make its way into a film. -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Andrew [mailto:asmith@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:32 PM To: Julian Halton; DC Cycles Subject: RE: Two Questions Maybe you should watch 'Torque' Julian. Apparently it's possible to do a stoppie-180 while redlining it in 2nd while licking your lips and knifefighting. . ... On second thoughts, don't EVER watch this movie. I was subjected to it this weekend. My eyes are only just recovering from the monstrosity. > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:25 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Two Questions > > > Technical... > Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? > > Gear... > Anyone have a best price on a Dowco G-50 sport bike cover? > > > Thanks again for all the advice\help from everyone. Most times..when > I get a dumb attack and want to ride hard without all my gear OR do > something silly...this tribunal of all your voices > whispers..don't...be...an...unsafe....idiot and I usually check > myself. > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 16:13:31 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:01:41 -0400 I thought it was determined to be an Agusta MV4, but I could be mistaken. But don't forget Mission Impossible 2's Magic Triumphs with their swappable Street / Dirt tires! Rob '98 VFR800 (needing some new rubber soon) From: "Julian Halton" To: "Smith, Andrew" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:41:18 -0400 I actually paid to see that piece of trash. It made me angry. I, Robot looks to have some moto scenes...and the moto goes to Ducati again....Black Rain, Matrix II and I, Robot...I wonder how many people actually get Ducati's in order for one to make its way into a film. -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Andrew [mailto:asmith@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:32 PM To: Julian Halton; DC Cycles Subject: RE: Two Questions Maybe you should watch 'Torque' Julian. Apparently it's possible to do a stoppie-180 while redlining it in 2nd while licking your lips and knifefighting. . ... On second thoughts, don't EVER watch this movie. I was subjected to it this weekend. My eyes are only just recovering from the monstrosity. > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:25 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Two Questions > > > Technical... > Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? > > Gear... > Anyone have a best price on a Dowco G-50 sport bike cover? > > > Thanks again for all the advice\help from everyone. Most times..when > I get a dumb attack and want to ride hard without all my gear OR do > something silly...this tribunal of all your voices > whispers..don't...be...an...unsafe....idiot and I usually check > myself. > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 16:30:28 2004 Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 13:30:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Two Questions To: DCCycles --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Technical... > Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at > high-speed? Don't they go more than 200)B° on the carousel corner at Summit Point? Oh, you mean like they do on TV? Or was that the Mission Impossible 2 movie? I think you have to own a bike that can change from street tires to knobbies in the blink of an eye to be able to ride like that. I'll just brake hard and move right as far as I can. If they're drag racing, they've already got a very large headstart, and would easily catch and run me over. What you're asking sounds like it's not possible, even if you could get the bike turned around. Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 16:33:01 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Two Questions now 3 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:21:09 -0400 Froogle.com for internet shopping. But I'll ask anyways anyone know where I can get the best price on a Yosh Slip-on Stainless Race exhaust for an '02 SV? At a quick glance it looks like Catwoman is on a Duc. >From: "Julian Halton" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Two Questions >Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:25:00 -0400 > > >Technical... >Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? > >Gear... >Anyone have a best price on a Dowco G-50 sport bike cover? > > >Thanks again for all the advice\help from everyone. Most times..when I >get a dumb attack and want to ride hard without all my gear OR do >something silly...this tribunal of all your voices >whispers..don't...be...an...unsafe....idiot and I usually check myself. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the latest news, polls and tools in the MSN 2004 Election Guide! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 16:42:17 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:46:07 -0400 Any worse than Biker Boys? That was the worst movie I've ever rented! Don't think mister Fishburne will put that one on his resume :-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:41 PM To: Smith, Andrew; DC Cycles Subject: RE: Two Questions I actually paid to see that piece of trash. It made me angry. I, Robot looks to have some moto scenes...and the moto goes to Ducati again....Black Rain, Matrix II and I, Robot...I wonder how many people actually get Ducati's in order for one to make its way into a film. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 16:45:04 2004 Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:44:57 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: "Gary Foreman" , "DC Cycles" If you thought Biker Boys was bad, be prepared to redefine the term 'bad' on a whole new, cringeworthy, obscenely ridiculous level. I'm not quite sure I can convey with words alone how offensive this movie is. You might just have to see it just to understand what I'm talking about. If you go into it thinking 'comedy' and not 'biker movie', you might just get away unscarred.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Foreman [mailto:lists@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 4:46 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: Two Questions > > Any worse than Biker Boys? That was the worst movie I've ever rented! > > Don't think mister Fishburne will put that one on his resume :-) > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 3:41 PM > To: Smith, Andrew; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: Two Questions > > I actually paid to see that piece of trash. It made me > angry. I, Robot > looks to have some moto scenes...and the moto goes to Ducati > again....Black Rain, Matrix II and I, Robot...I wonder how > many people actually get Ducati's in order for one to make > its way into a film. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 16:55:04 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Wow... wow. Wow. Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 16:57:26 -0400 I've received some insightful off-list comments. My summation is: Don't just nod your head when someone complains about two wheeled idiots and mutter "Yeah, ain't it awful." In the same breath add "Thank goodness, they're on motorcycles and not while driving a two-plus ton monster. Motorcyclists are like SUV drivers, there are good ones and there are awful ones. At least motorcyclists have to have additional testing to get a license and when they crash, it's like a dollop of chlorine in the gene pool." Leave 'em with something to smile about and something to think about. Carl (drives an 87 Volvo) Custer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 17:34:13 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:33:46 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: rich hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two Questions now 3 rich hall wrote: > Froogle.com for internet shopping. > But I'll ask anyways anyone know where I can get the best price on a > Yosh Slip-on Stainless Race exhaust for an '02 SV? Rich - I can do: Yosh Tri-oval race: $300 Yosh RS-3 Race: $524 Yosh RS-3 Race high-mount: $565 Stainless/stainless, slip-on, + UPS shipping from DE And if you didn't already notice, on the SV you will have to cut your existing exhaust ahead of the existing muffler to sleeve on a new can. - Bri -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 17:39:31 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:39:09 -0400 From: Brian Roach CC: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Two Questions now 3 Brian Roach wrote: ARG! I got the part numbers crossed ... the RS-3 I listed were full system, sorry. RS-3 Race Slip-on: $283 The only prob is the RS-3 is on backorder from Yosh, expected availability 7/28. The Tri-Oval race is in stock and available. - Roach > Rich - > > I can do: > Yosh Tri-oval race: $300 > Yosh RS-3 Race: $524 > Yosh RS-3 Race high-mount: $565 > > Stainless/stainless, slip-on, + UPS shipping from DE > > And if you didn't already notice, on the SV you will have to cut your > existing exhaust ahead of the existing muffler to sleeve on a new can. > > - Bri > -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 17:56:11 2004 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 17:54:16 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , "DC Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Two Questions At 03:25 PM 7/7/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: > >Technical... >Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? Probably. Almost certainly not the first time you attempt it though. ;-) I've done sliding 180s on a pedal bike by locking the rear wheel and then turning and balancing such that the rear wheel swings around to the side. Correcting the turn and balance as it reaches the 180 degree point turns it into a backwards slide, though on a pedal bike, you've usually used up all your momentum by that point and are stopped. Trying that on a moto is for stuntmen and professional exhibition riders...who have a bunch of bikes they can destroy working out the details and learning to do it. Starting out on a dirt bike on muddy ground might be the safest way to learn this trick. IMHO anyway. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 18:23:31 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'pltrgyst@XXXXXX '" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:25:50 -0400 Never. Of course it doesn't look like it wouldn't be DOT compliant either. Also, there's a couple other stickers on the back for the Italian website and whatnot where from 10' away you couldn't tell what they said anyway. Mike -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX To: Lister Lynch Cc: dc-cyces@XXXXXX Sent: 7/6/2004 12:49 PM Subject: RE: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) Works for me! Have you ever been hassled about the lack of DOT sicker? I'm curious, since I often ride in my Arrow, which I bought in London -- also without any US stickers. -- Larry --- Lister Lynch wrote: > I think that's a great idea! Hey, any excuse to go back to that store in > Castelnuovo di Garfagnana, Lucca, Italy. Otherwise, I might have a problem > here, as it's a European helmet, no DOT stickers or anything. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX > To: Lister Lynch > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: 7/5/2004 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: FW: helmets (flip-up not latching) > > --- Lister Lynch wrote: > > > > My Nolan still doesn't latch fully if I just push the chinbar down. > > > > The only way I know it's latched is if I yank out on the chinbar. It > never > > pops back open if I just close it normally (like what you would think > is all > > it takes to close it) and easily leads to a false sense of security. > > Sounds like a defective helmet. I'd return it -- and I'd bet Nolan would > exchange > it. > > -- Larry > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 19:17:34 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:17:15 -0400 > Technical... > Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? No - to do an 180 degree turn, one would have to come to a complete stop and accelerate away in the opposite direction. At one point in the maneuver, you will have zero velocity. It may not last for long, but it will be zero. Now, if you just want to turn the bike 180 degrees and continue in the original direction... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 19:35:37 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'Michael Jordan '" , "''DC-Cycles' '" Subject: RE: Two Questions Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:37:52 -0400 It would be possible to pull the maneuver without the bike ever reaching zero velocity. If you were traveling in a straight line (x) and you pulled the J turn, sliding around the bottom of the J, the bike would have zero velocity in the x axis, but not in the y axis, and thus the bike could possibly always keep a certain velocity. It's all a matter in defining how *wide* of a turn you can make doing this 180. :-) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan To: 'DC-Cycles' Sent: 7/7/2004 7:17 PM Subject: RE: Two Questions > Technical... > Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? No - to do an 180 degree turn, one would have to come to a complete stop and accelerate away in the opposite direction. At one point in the maneuver, you will have zero velocity. It may not last for long, but it will be zero. Now, if you just want to turn the bike 180 degrees and continue in the original direction... Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 19:37:17 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: , Subject: More deer and avoiding avoid drag-racing #@!holes Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 19:37:00 -0400 From: "David Blumgart" To: "Julian Halton" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice From: "Julian Halton" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:23:24 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" Subject: More Deer and an urgent situation that needs good advice > ... A blur of motion > If this ever, ever happen again, what is the safest way to escape two shitheads on a collision course? Man, I've no counsel at all on how best to avoid drag-racing assholes on a narrow, confined road, Hey, I resemble that remark!! Oh, wait, nevermind. It was on VIR South, closed course, no cars around. Mary and I had fun playing for a session, I would pass her, she'd pass me, I would flip her off...., repeat.... http://rideclub.us/videos/04July_VIRSouth_STT/ 04July_VIRS_Lisa_CD.mov Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR track From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 7 23:30:34 2004 From: shanesr74@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/07/04 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 03:30:18 +0000 X-Authenticated-Sender: c2hhbmVzcjc0QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 just letting you all know that there is a motorcycle friendly room for rent in woodbridge. give me a yell if you or anybody you know might be interested shanesr74@XXXXXX by the way, Aki, if you need the trailer it is still yours it is aproximately 6 ft wide by 8 ft long. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 09:34:48 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'julian@XXXXXX'" Subject: Two Questions Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:37:07 -0400 Julian Hinted: "Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed?" [Carl]: Yes, depends on your speed, how much room you have, and how far over you're willing to lean. I'm guessing above 30 mph, you need more than Canal Road's width . . . Unless you're skilled at pivoting 180 degrees on your front wheel during a stoppie -- but then that's zero miles per hour (& for the moo-vies). For practical practice, try some of the hairpins off the BRP at Little Switzerland in Nawth Carolina, Rt. 160 toward Lynch KY, or the one on Rt. 50 at McComber WV. By comparison, the Dragon is a piece 'o cake. "Gear... Anyone have a best price on a Dowco G-50 sport bike cover?" [Carl]: Chaparral's magazine ads are usually the best - and DK will beat it by a buck (If you have the magazine issue and page number handy). Also check out local shops' "Open Houses" and the Fall "clearances." Then there are the 12 X 16 tarps at Sam's Club for ~$14. "Thanks again for all the advice\help from everyone. Most times..when I get a dumb attack and want to ride hard without all my gear OR do something silly...this tribunal of all your voices whispers..don't...be...an...unsafe....idiot and I usually check myself." [Carl]: Lister on SabMag put it this way: In your tee shirt, take a running jump and belly flop on an asphalt parking lot. Then imagine how much more it would hurt at 20 mph, 40 mph, or . . . Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) Don't need no loud pipes; I got big honking tooters: http://members.tripod.com/~v65_magna/sos_99/sat_lunch2.jpg http://www.crosswinds.net/~denbrook/Motorcycles/Events/mmc-2-17-01/Carls_Sab re.jpg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 10:33:10 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 10:33:19 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" , "'DC-Cycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Two Questions At 07:17 PM 7/7/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Technical... >> Is it possible to do a 180* turn on a bike at high-speed? > >No - to do an 180 degree turn, one would have to come to a complete stop and >accelerate away in the opposite direction. At one point in the maneuver, you >will have zero velocity. It may not last for long, but it will be zero. You are mixing "speed" with "velocity" and coming out with an incorrect answer. Velocity is a vector, and what you say is true if you consider only that velocity relative to the drag racing idiots (velocity relative to other things in the universe may or may not be zero) and if the 180 turn is from directly toward them to directly away from them...or vice versa. Speed is not a vector, and if he made a wide sweeping turn, he could change his heading by 180 degrees without ever decreasing his speed at all. He asked about speed, not velocity. Now that we are into physics definitions, I think we've left the original problem behind though... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 12:11:17 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:11:02 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Rattle is no more X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 X-AOL-Language: english Well, for all those who suggested the cam chain tensioner, you win the prize. That was the problem. However, when I picked it up, the idle was now way off, the rpms weren't sounding right for the gear I was in and the choke was almost non-existant. I had to keep my hand on the throttle for about 5-10 minutes to warm it up before I could ride it. Took it back to the shop and they just called to say it was fixed. Apparently when the mechanic put the tensioner on, he was off by one tooth and that threw everything else off. The tensioner has been re-adjusted and everything is right with the world with no additional charge to me. :-) I'll be picking it up tomorrow. And just for the curious, I take it to Cycle Sport in Alexandria, VA. They have always treated me good and this is the first time they've made a mistake in the 6 years I've been going to them. The fact that they admitted it was their fault and didn't try to charge me for it goes a long way in my book. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 15:12:23 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Nearby hairpin turns, was Re: Two Questions To: "'DCCycles'" Is the hairpin at the top of the Snickersville Turnpike still there? Thats the closest tight hairpin that I know about. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 rider --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > For practical practice, try some of the hairpins off > the BRP at Little > Switzerland in Nawth Carolina, Rt. 160 toward Lynch > KY, or the one on Rt. 50 > at McComber WV. By comparison, the Dragon is a > piece 'o cake. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 15:29:20 2004 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Norton Subject: Re: Nearby hairpin turns, was Re: Two Questions To: Leon Begeman Cc: "'DCCycles'" Oh yea, that one is still there. Not just a hairpin but an uphill/downhill hairpin. Leon Begeman wrote: >Is the hairpin at the top of the Snickersville >Turnpike still there? Thats the closest tight hairpin >that I know about. > >Leon Begeman >Ninja 250 rider > >--- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > > >>For practical practice, try some of the hairpins off >>the BRP at Little >>Switzerland in Nawth Carolina, Rt. 160 toward Lynch >>KY, or the one on Rt. 50 >>at McComber WV. By comparison, the Dragon is a >>piece 'o cake. >> >> > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 15:48:47 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Nearby hairpin turns, was Re: Two Questions Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:48:39 -0400 > Oh yea, that one is still there. Not just a hairpin > but an uphill/downhill hairpin. Good practice for riding in the Alps. Repeat 30 times. Add large drop-offs. I've seen sharper ones, with steeper approach/departure grades, but they're few and far between. If you're comfortable with the Snickersville turn, you can handle 'em all. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 18:52:25 2004 X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.55) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Jul 2004 22:50:40 -0000 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:52:16 -0500 Subject: Red Line Metro Stations w/MC parking Does anyone know if Grosvenor-Strathmore Metro Station has dedicated (free) MC parking? If not whats the next RL station to the north that does. Thanks DB -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 8 23:01:39 2004 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 23:01:09 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: mjordan812@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nearby hairpin turns, was Re: Two Questions mjordan812@XXXXXX wrote: >If you're comfortable with the Snickersville turn, you can handle 'em all. I think I saw my own tail-light once on that Snickersville hairpin. :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 10:24:57 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Dowco Cover? Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:24:47 -0400 I can't remember who asked about one recently. Julian, maybe? Anyway, this was on the VFR list. Might be worth a shot. Rob '98 VFR800 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 18:21:52 -0700 From: calmal@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM - For Sale. To: vfr@XXXXXX Hi, some extra stuff for sale (from 98-01 VFR) Nice Dowco Cover Bik/silver cost $60+ new, how about $25 Krypto New York Lock fits under seat cost $75 maybe $25 98-01 Factory Service and Parts Manual on CD (free if purchase one item) and................. Mag Tank Bag - blk/red/gray, nice condition " Suzuki" $20 Thanks, Clay From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 10:27:44 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: mojohand@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Red Line Metro Stations w/MC parking Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:27:34 -0400 They've been building a garage there for quite a while now. Not sure if it'll have m/c parking or not, but I do know that Shady Grove has a number of spots by their Kiss N Ride lots, but that is the end of the line. I don't know about the other stops in between, sorry. Maybe with the new garages, they'll allow our bikes in those various spaces that cars can't fit in. Sure would be nice. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "David Blumgart" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Red Line Metro Stations w/MC parking Date: Thu, 08 Jul 2004 17:52:16 -0500 Does anyone know if Grosvenor-Strathmore Metro Station has dedicated (free) MC parking? If not whats the next RL station to the north that does. Thanks DB -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 11:13:37 2004 Subject: Lunch Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:13:31 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Anyone up for lunch at Carlisle Grand in Shirlington? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 11:17:28 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:17:03 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lunch What time, Julian? -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Sent: Jul 9, 2004 11:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lunch Anyone up for lunch at Carlisle Grand in Shirlington? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 11:18:20 2004 Subject: RE: Lunch Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:18:18 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , I just found out I have a meeting at 1 so I would be leaving in ten minutes. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:17 AM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lunch What time, Julian? -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Sent: Jul 9, 2004 11:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lunch Anyone up for lunch at Carlisle Grand in Shirlington? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 11:26:54 2004 Subject: Lunch Finemundo on F Street between 13th and 14th in DC Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:26:49 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: I am heading there now and will be gone by 12:45. Sorry for the short notice but if anyone is in the vicinity see you there. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:17 AM To: Julian Halton; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Lunch What time, Julian? -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Sent: Jul 9, 2004 11:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lunch Anyone up for lunch at Carlisle Grand in Shirlington? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 11:35:41 2004 Subject: Cancelling my own lunch Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 11:35:37 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Julian Halton" , All, Sorry for the flakiness, I realized I forgot my wallet, so I will be eating chez work today. I am in town this weekend and way overdue for some rides. Saturday.. Circa 10AM would like to do a Harper's Ferry, twisties ride or any other recommended route. Sunday...was planning a 12:00 to 5:00 or so ride up to Red Eyes Dock Bar cross the bay bridge. If anyone is interested in either please let me know. Again, sorry for the earlier flakiness, the downside of working two jobs. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 12:55:19 2004 From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Nearby hairpin turns, Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 12:57:48 -0400 Not nearby but if you're ever close to Buchanan, VA, take 43 from the BRP to Buchanan and vice versa . . . It has a neat double switch back. And the warning signs about trucks and trailers are always a great background for a photo. If you're feeling peckish, the North Star's beans, greens, and cornbread always set my belly right. Nawtherners can find other tasty victuals on their menu. Oh, and route 16 in southern West (By God) Virginia has some fine hairpin corners -- coal trucks too just to keep it "interesting". =8^O I think I mentioned Rt. 160 twixt Appalachia VA and Lynch KY. It has some fine rising/falling hairpins. Carl headed for Poland in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 13:26:19 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:26:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Around the World in Virginia Motorcycle ride? To: DCCycles I've been looking for a 'theme' ride to take my daughter on. Something that can be done over several weekends and during longer vacations. I've made several suggestions and none of them 'clicked' with her. Last night she said she wanted to visit places that were named like famous places. She mentioned going to London and Paris as examples. I remember someone doing a ride like this. I just don't remember who it was. Can someone help? Thanks, Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 13:27:32 2004 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 10:27:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Nearby hairpin turns, To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 43 is nice, rode it just Monday. So is 56 a little further down although I understand the west side of the mountain has taken a beating. As far as 16, I think the section in Virginia is better then the section in WV and no traffic or side roads. Rode 160 this time last year and although nice the topo map makes it looks tighter then it really is. One of my other favs is route 80 (exit 24 off I-81). That sucker gets super twisty right off the Interstate! Found another great road this weekend. US 58 from Konnarock to Volney, VA. Amazing, it must be 20 miles of 20-40 MPH turns, none of which catch you off guard. Glenn --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Not nearby but if you're ever close to Buchanan, VA, > take 43 from the BRP to > Buchanan and vice versa . . . > It has a neat double switch back. > And the warning signs about trucks and trailers are > always a great > background for a photo. > If you're feeling peckish, the North Star's beans, > greens, and cornbread > always set my belly right. > Nawtherners can find other tasty victuals on their > menu. > > Oh, and route 16 in southern West (By God) Virginia > has some fine hairpin > corners -- coal trucks too just to keep it > "interesting". =8^O > > I think I mentioned Rt. 160 twixt Appalachia VA and > Lynch KY. It has some > fine rising/falling hairpins. > > Carl headed for Poland in Bethesda > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 13:44:53 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:45:08 -0400 To: "'DCCycles'" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Nearby hairpin turns, At 12:57 PM 7/9/2004, Custer, Carl wrote: >Oh, and route 16 in southern West (By God) Virginia has some fine hairpin >corners -- coal trucks too just to keep it "interesting". =8^O 60 past White Sulpher Springs, WV up to 28 has several hairpin turns up the mountain. Most of 60 is a good cruising fast road, which then becomes a sportbike fast unmarked curves road. Yee haw. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 18:24:32 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Around the World in Virginia Motorcycle ride? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:24:16 -0400 > I've been looking for a 'theme' ride to take my daughter on. > Something that can be done over several weekends and during > longer vacations. I've made several suggestions and none of > them 'clicked' with her. Last night she said she wanted to > visit places that were named like famous places. She > mentioned going to London and Paris as examples. > > I remember someone doing a ride like this. I just don't > remember who it was. Can someone help? That would be the famous Doctor John Weinstein of the CAMS. It's an annual event, but spans the surrounding states in addition to Virginny. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 18:26:26 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: RE: Nearby hairpin turns, Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:26:13 -0400 Alla nice roads. Aren't you glad that you don't live in Kansas :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 19:30:43 2004 From: "customtankbags" To: "Dc-Cycles" Subject: RE: Nearby hairpin turns, Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 19:30:36 -0400 Or Florida :-( LindaT. http://www.customtankbags.com Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Hollywood, FL AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 6:26 PM To: 'DCCycles' Subject: RE: Nearby hairpin turns, Alla nice roads. Aren't you glad that you don't live in Kansas :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 9 22:18:56 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:18:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Leon Begeman CC: DCCycles Subject: Re: Around the World in Virginia Motorcycle ride? Leon Begeman wrote: > I've been looking for a 'theme' ride to take my > daughter on. Something that can be done over several > weekends and during longer vacations. I've made > several suggestions and none of them 'clicked' with > her. Last night she said she wanted to visit places > that were named like famous places. She mentioned > going to London and Paris as examples. Couldn't get Sam intererested in the Roadkill Safari, eh? :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 15:36:52 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! To: DC Cycles If anyone has any orange traffic cones stashed anywhere and wants to get rid of them, please let me know. I want to end up with a whole bunch of them so I can set up some courses, kind of like motorcycle rodeo. Doesn't matter what size or how old and nasty they are. Free ones are of course the best but I could cough up a couple of dollars too. I am too chicken to steal them off the side of the road! Thanks! Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 16:07:20 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:06:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! Or, buy them here: http://tinyurl.com/2xd97 Scroll down to "9 inch Vinyl Cone Set use as Field Markers for Flag football"... Cheers, -Sean dcpatti wrote: > If anyone has any orange traffic cones stashed > anywhere and wants to get rid of them, please let me > know. I want to end up with a whole bunch of them so I > can set up some courses, kind of like motorcycle > rodeo. Doesn't matter what size or how old and nasty > they are. Free ones are of course the best but I could > cough up a couple of dollars too. I am too chicken to > steal them off the side of the road! > > Thanks! > > Patti From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 16:22:05 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Sean Steele" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:22:16 -0400 Those of kinda big for newbies. The MSF ones have a two-inch rise. Available here for $1.50 ea., or set of 80 for $100: https://store.msf-usa.org/index.asp For the penurious old tennis balls cut in half work well too. Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Steele" > Or, buy them here: > http://tinyurl.com/2xd97 > > Scroll down to "9 inch Vinyl Cone Set use as Field Markers for Flag > football"... > > Cheers, > > -Sean > > dcpatti wrote: > > > If anyone has any orange traffic cones stashed > > anywhere and wants to get rid of them, please let me > > know. I want to end up with a whole bunch of them so I > > can set up some courses, kind of like motorcycle > > rodeo. Doesn't matter what size or how old and nasty > > they are. Free ones are of course the best but I could > > cough up a couple of dollars too. I am too chicken to > > steal them off the side of the road! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Patti > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 10 18:44:31 2004 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! To: Paul Wilson , Sean Steele , DC Cycles Thanks for the links, guys, and I will probably pick some of these up because the prices are good. But I'm still looking for some of the normal sized ones. The drills I'm looking to do are the motorcycle cop training courses, definitely not a newbie thing, and the normal sized cones make it a lot more demanding. I'm going to need a whole mess of them so $100 for 80 cones is nice to find! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 09:38:26 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 06:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! To: dcpatti , Paul Wilson , Sean Steele , DC Cycles You can also buy packs of them at sporting goods stores in the soccer section. I think I have 20 or so that I got that way. They are about 8-10" tall and work well for moto courses. They are thinner and lighter than regular cones. Don't worry about how tall they are, even the short disk type are fine. You want to mark the boundary for wheel travel. Tall ones might be struck by fairings and knees, which is not what you are measuring. If you had 100 full size police issue traffic cones, you would need a pickup to transport them. They get heavy when you start stacking them. Todd --- dcpatti wrote: > Thanks for the links, guys, and I will probably pick > some of these up because the prices are good. But > I'm > still looking for some of the normal sized ones. The > drills I'm looking to do are the motorcycle cop > training courses, definitely not a newbie thing, and > the normal sized cones make it a lot more demanding. > I'm going to need a whole mess of them so $100 for > 80 > cones is nice to find! > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 13:34:28 2004 From: Daniel To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:33:45 -0400 i have to blame police administration too... Instead of setting up speed traps and going after that guy who's speeding in the fast lane but has plenty of space in front of them, why don't they go after the lane swervers.. the tail gaiters.. and the traffic impeding slow pokes in the fast lane, and the speeding jackasses who speed along the far right lane blocking people from merging on to the highway... I mean what would it take to get the police to actually police the highways instead of just shaking down left lane speeders for money? we should allow higher speeds, so people can get to ther destination sooner and get off the road to alleive congestion... I would also like to see it a ticketable offense to drive in a fashion where you're riding side by side, 2 cars, taking away each others emergency swerve room, and impeding traffic... and i'd love to see a left lane pass only lane too.. traffic is so much better then. i'd like to see media ad compaigns from the police too, leting the public know they're ticketing 1. side by side cars pacing each other 2. traffic impeders 3. lane swervers and I don't mean that "operation aggressive drivers" crap that they don't define well.. They should say.. "We are the police, we are looking for people who swerve lanes, you will get a $500 ticket. We are looking for traffic impeders.. you will get a $125 ticket.. we are looking for cars that drive 2 close to each other, either by the front, tail gating, or by the side, pacing a car, and taking away from each others safety zone.. $300" hell even would like a lane changers yeild program... ever wanted to get over but the idiot for some reason feels like he has to speed past you first in that "me first" mentality.. ticket that $#!#$!@$ ! and tha'ts my peice for today : ) - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 19:44:00 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:43:42 EDT Subject: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: exupbrotherhood@XXXXXX, AFRA@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Welp, picked up the bike on Friday and she is runnin like a champ and purrin like a kitten again. :-) The idle, rpm's and choke are all back to normal. I asked the mechanic what the problem was. I'll try to reiterate what he said, might not be exact though. Hope it makes sense to mechanically inclined. ;-) He said that when they removed the tensioner that the cam chain naturally loosened and slipped a notch. Since they didn't catch that it happened, when they put the new tensioner on it was one notch too tight. That is what caused all my power problems over the 4th of July weekend. They loosened up the tensioner, readjusted the chain and viola, problem fixed. I'm happy again. The bike is happy again. We're all happy again. :-) Took her out today for a nice little ride and caught SpiderMan 2. Hope everyone else managed to get out and ride today. Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 20:47:21 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:47:11 -0400 Nothing like having proper cam timing to make a bike happy :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 20:58:03 2004 From: Jason Picton To: "'Leon Begeman '" , "'DCCycles '" Subject: RE: Around the World in Virginia Motorcycle ride? Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 20:57:51 -0400 contact John Weinstein from Cams http://members.tripod.com/DC_CAMS/ Capital Area Motorhead Society.... They have done a Around the World Rally every year for something like 7 years.... The web page is ancient... I have his email addy around somewhere I will see if I can dig it up when i am at work on Tues Jason -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman To: DCCycles Sent: 7/9/2004 1:26 PM Subject: Around the World in Virginia Motorcycle ride? I've been looking for a 'theme' ride to take my daughter on. Something that can be done over several weekends and during longer vacations. I've made several suggestions and none of them 'clicked' with her. Last night she said she wanted to visit places that were named like famous places. She mentioned going to London and Paris as examples. I remember someone doing a ride like this. I just don't remember who it was. Can someone help? Thanks, Leon. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 22:06:44 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: Track Day tomorrow at Summit Point Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:10:38 -0400 If your off, it's free to watch :-) Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 22:29:39 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:29:43 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) At 07:43 PM 7/11/04 EDT, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >said, might not be exact though. Hope it makes sense to mechanically inclined. >;-) He said that when they removed the tensioner that the cam chain naturally >loosened and slipped a notch. Since they didn't catch that it happened, when >they put the new tensioner on it was one notch too tight. That is what caused >all my power problems over the 4th of July weekend. "One notch off" would seem to be more correct, wouldn't it? If the chain was one notch off, your timing would be off by some amount, and that would certainly screw up your engine output in a big way. I'd guess that if you got it off far enough, you'd start wrecking things, as the valves might be open when the piston came up...but it probably wouldn't run at all at that point, so the starter would be all that was pushing things. Might not be enough to bend a valve or whatever. I dunno. The above is mostly guessing...love to hear what those who actually know think about it, so I can adjust my understanding as needed. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 11 22:29:41 2004 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:24:41 -0400 To: Daniel , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. At 01:33 PM 7/11/04 -0400, Daniel wrote: >i have to blame police administration too... > >Instead of setting up speed traps and going after that guy who's >speeding in the fast lane but has plenty of space in front of them, >why don't they go after the lane swervers.. the tail gaiters.. and the >traffic impeding slow pokes in the fast lane, and the speeding >jackasses who speed along the far right lane blocking people from >merging on to the highway... > >I mean what would it take to get the police to actually police the >highways instead of just shaking down left lane speeders for money? Ban radar, lidar and other forms of speed-trap gadgetry and make them clock cars like they used to do pre-70s? So long as the cops are hiding in the bushes to catch speeders by remote control, they won't even see all the other offenses they should be enforcing. Many drivers today aren't even aware of how many laws they break every time they go somewhere...since they've never seen them enforced. >we should allow higher speeds, so people can get to ther destination >sooner and get off the road to alleive congestion... Up to a point, yes. Remember that most people can't actually drive very well, though most think they can, and if you let the average get too high, the wrecks will slow you down a lot more than someone doing the legal limit in the left lane will. I think they should just change the law to specify a delta-V offense, rather than a specific speed limit. If you are just moving along with the traffic around you, no matter how fast that is, you are fine. If you are passing more than X cars per T time, or changing lanes more than X times per T time, then you are not flowing with the traffic, and you get a ticket. Problems with that idea that need solutions include lone cars (i.e. no traffic on the street...still don't want the BDC doing 120 in a residential zone at 2pm), and peer pressure to move faster to up the average speed. Solutions might include limiting that plan to the interstates or other limited-access roads, and having cops actually enforce tailgating laws. Given that they will have to be out and about, rather than hiding in the bushes, to enforce the new law, that may take care of itself. Enforcement could be made automatic, so that getting caught would actually be likely, if not certain, rather than highly unlikely as it is today. All it would take is a system vaguely similar to the TCAS they use in airplanes now, where each vehicle monitors the signals given off by those in the vicinity. Each car broadcasts its ID (VIN maybe?) all the time, sort of like a radio license plate, and the others pick up on it, and by using strength and direction info, can tell if you are passing or not. GPS would work even better for this. Record it in a "black box", which gets checked at an annual inspection, and if you have violations, the data goes to court along with you. Molesting a "black box" so as to erase or alter the data, or to inhibit its function, would get you a very stiff penalty (i.e. jail time). We could do this with GPS now, with existing laws...it's not much different from traffic light cameras and toll plaza cameras...and the courts don't seem to have a problem with that sort of evidence. The right to be confronted by your accuser seems to have evaporated already, so there's no reason this couldn't work. Would only add a $200 or so to the cost of a car, and they've done that sort of thing before, for catalytic convertors, seatbelts, etc.. >I would also like to see it a ticketable offense to drive in a >fashion where you're riding side by side, 2 cars, taking away each >others emergency swerve room, and impeding traffic... In the same lane it's an offense now. In adjacent lanes, around here much of the time, it's unavoidable. Even where traffic density is low enough, which one do you ticket? I've had folks pace me before, even after I've sped up and slowed down to create a break. I'd be seriously pissed if I got ticketed after trying to avoid the situation like that... >and i'd love to see a left lane pass only lane too.. Move to Pennsylvania. We don't have the road space around here to do that just so you can speed...every inch of pavement is needed to move vehicles along. See what happens when they close a lane to see what the effect of your plan would be here. >traffic is so >much better then. i'd like to see media ad compaigns from the police >too, leting the public know they're ticketing >1. side by side cars pacing each other >2. traffic impeders >3. lane swervers 4. speeders 5. non-signallers 6. multi-lane changers 7. tailgaters 8. those with faulty equipment (lights, mufflers, tires, rings, etc.) 9. high beam flashers (and those who don't dim for oncomming traffic) 10. red light runners (especially those who turn right on red without stopping or even yielding) 11. those who follow within 500' of emergency vehicles 12. those who don't yield when forced to merge due to a lane ending 13. those who cut in right in front of another vehicle 14. those who cross the double yellow 15. those who don't treat a non-functional traffic light as a stop sign Just to name a few you missed...all of which are violations now, but which, other than #4, are almost never enforced (don't even know anyone who's gotten cited for anything other than speed in years). -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 08:11:25 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:11:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. To: "'DCCycles'" >>I mean what would it take to get the police to actually >>police the highways instead of just shaking down left lane >>speeders for money? > >Ban radar, lidar and other forms of speed-trap gadgetry and >make them clock cars like they used to do pre-70s? [Dave] Be careful what you wish for... you just might get it. So long as cops rely on technology to catch speeders, you have the option of technological countermeasures, and, the ability to impeach the evidence put forth against you in court. In a pacing ticket, it's "he said, you said" and the sworn officer wins 99% of the time. The ONLY way to defeat a pacing ticket - practically - is to impeach the cop's testimony on the stand, such as making him admit he lost sight of the vehicle, or proving via some certified doc that the distance he used to pace you was inaccurate. Calling him a liar won't do it in court. We may bitch and moan about it, but radar keeps the cops busy ... Should they be chasing down left lane turtles? Yes. Will they? No. >Enforcement could be made automatic, so that getting caught >would actually be likely, if not certain, rather than highly >unlikely as it is today. All it would take is a system >vaguely similar to the TCAS they use in airplanes >now, where each vehicle monitors the signals given off by >those in the vicinity. Each car broadcasts its ID (VIN >maybe?) all the time, sort of like a radio license plate, >and the others pick up on it, and by using >strength and direction info, can tell if you are passing or >not. GPS would work even better for this. Record it in >a "black box", which gets checked at an annual inspection, >and if you have violations, the data goes to court >along with you. Molesting a "black box" so as to erase or >alter the data, or to inhibit its function, would get you a >very stiff penalty (i.e. jail time). [Dave] No thanks, comrade. If you want the cops to pay attention to other stuff, call them, and tell them you're noticing a lot of ..... If enough people do it, they will task someone to look out for it... And then go back to radar detail, but still, look at it this way: While they're looking for your left lane hogs, they're not writing some poor motorist a BS speeding ticket... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 08:23:46 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:23:29 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:30:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > love to hear what those who actually know > think about it, so I can adjust my understanding as needed. Well I think he, or the dealership, was _damn_ lucky that no valves were bent. Clearances in a modern high performance motorcycle engine are so close that one tooth off on a cam chain is usually enough to allow the piston to hit a valve. _The_mechanic_should_have_checked!!!_ There was no excuse not to. And any kind of a test ride would have made the problem obvious, don)B’t these guys check their work anymore? I cannot imagine not riding a bike to check it out after working on it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 08:30:38 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:30:28 EDT Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/12/2004 8:11:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dave@XXXXXX writes: > and, > the ability to impeach the evidence put forth against you in > court. Not with a photo ticket you don't. No court, no judge, no chance. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 09:11:06 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:10:41 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) Ditto to what John said. Bad mistake by mechanic, work was never checked, you're lucky you didn't wind up with mangled valves. I'm glad everything worked out and your bike is ok! - Roach PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > Well I think he, or the dealership, was _damn_ lucky that no valves were > bent. Clearances in a modern high performance motorcycle engine are so close that > one tooth off on a cam chain is usually enough to allow the piston to hit a > valve. _The_mechanic_should_have_checked!!!_ There was no excuse not to. > And any kind of a test ride would have made the problem obvious, don)B’t these > guys check their work anymore? I cannot imagine not riding a bike to check it > out after working on it. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 09:19:14 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:18:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, Brian Roach wrote: > > Ditto to what John said. > > Bad mistake by mechanic, work was never checked, you're lucky you didn't > wind up with mangled valves. I'm glad everything worked out and your > bike is ok! > Yet another reason to do the work yourself. Ample time to double check the work. I really hate the way the dealerships try to scare you into using their service department. I try to keep my bikes away from the dealer. Thanks to some jackass overfilling my battery on my brand new bike, I'm having to take the bike in for a new exhaust, swingarm and chain. I'm quite worried at what they will manage to f-up. I'll be re-torquing things when I get back home too. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 09:19:42 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:19:33 -0400 Subject: Dumb question Uhhh... what's a "fly puller" and why would I need one to work on my bike? -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "Feel the patented 4 carb ITS (insect tension system) on my" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 09:35:38 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:35:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Dumb question To: DC Cycles It's that tool required to pull flies off your motorcycle once they've become baked on. It should be kept in your tool box next to the blinker fluid. Alternately, it could be a fly*wheel* puller, needed to pull the flywheel. Dunno, never seen one, but I've never pulled a MC flywheel. I'm shooting from the hip here. Who told you that one was required? Why did they say you needed one? --- Sean Steele wrote: > Uhhh... what's a "fly puller" and why would I need > one to work on my bike? > > -Sean > WAR-shington, DC > '92 "Feel the patented 4 carb ITS (insect tension > system) on my" Seca II > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 09:40:39 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:40:35 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX John points out: >> the ability to impeach the evidence put forth against you >> in court. > >Not with a photo ticket you don't. >No court, no judge, no chance. [Dave] I'm totally unfamiliar with the procedures for red light photo tickets or the DC photo stuff, which I would probably flush down the toilet if I got one. I'd pay if convicted in another jurisdiction, just not DC. I don't make a habit of running reds; but that said those things do make life far to interesting because if there's anybody in front, you never know what they're going to do if they see a yellow. I've seen some folks literally drop the anchors on a 4 wheel lockup to stop for one, others blow through them mercilessly... Rt. 1 and Beacon Hill just got one, and so far, I haven't seen the yellow to confirm it has also been reduced to entrap more people as Alexandria did. We'll see I guess... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 09:44:56 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:44:47 -0400 Subject: Re: Dumb question Nobody did actually -- I was just spitballin' and couldn't find an answer to my question. Thanks, though! -Sean Brian Ray wrote: > It's that tool required to pull flies off your > motorcycle once they've become baked on. It should be > kept in your tool box next to the blinker fluid. > > Alternately, it could be a fly*wheel* puller, needed > to pull the flywheel. Dunno, never seen one, but I've > never pulled a MC flywheel. I'm shooting from the hip > here. > > Who told you that one was required? Why did they say > you needed one? > > --- Sean Steele wrote: > >>Uhhh... what's a "fly puller" and why would I need >>one to work on my bike? >> >>-Sean >>WAR-shington, DC >>'92 "Feel the patented 4 carb ITS (insect tension >>system) on my" Seca II >> >> > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 10:35:32 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:24:17 -0400 To: Dave Yates , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. At 08:11 AM 7/12/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>Enforcement could be made automatic, so that getting caught > >[Dave] No thanks, comrade. So, you are in favor of repealing all traffic laws, and in particular, the ones about speed limits? If they aren't to be enforced, they shouldn't be on the books. If they are on the books, they should be enforced by the best means possible. "Best" in this case means most accurate and hardest to evade. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 10:41:19 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:40:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Dumb question -----Original Message----- From: Sean Steele Nobody did actually -- I was just spitballin' and couldn't find an answer to my question. Thanks, though! -Sean Brian Ray wrote: > Alternately, it could be a fly*wheel* puller, needed > to pull the flywheel. > ---------- Flywheel/rotor puller. Essential for doing any bottom end work on many motorcycles. On the KLR, you need one to service the cam and balancer chains. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 10:54:32 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:54:20 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. To: "'DCCycles'" >So, you are in favor of repealing all traffic laws, and in >particular, the ones about speed limits? [Dave] No, and no. > >If they aren't to be enforced, they shouldn't be on the >books. If they are on the books, they should be enforced by >the best means possible. "Best" in this case means most >accurate and hardest to evade. [Dave] Laws that are currently on the books sometimes become outdated, or, were patent nonsense to begin with. Traffic cops could be instituting zero tolerance for all traffic offenses right now, but they don't. Why do you think that is? You recently pointed out how many traffic laws there are, and how easy it is to violate them. I would paraphrase that as how "hard it is to not violate at least one traffic law driving one mile". Are the police simply ignoring their oaths by not enforcing these laws to the letter? Your logic above indicates that you believe a person should be ticketed for going 56 mph in a 55mph zone. Do you think UPS, FedUP, USPS, etc. will still be able to deliver your packages on time under this restriction with "Best" enforcement? Who do you think will pay for the fines incurred in the long run? It might be far from perfect, but I like the current setup better... Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 11:12:20 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:12:10 -0400 > I'll be re-torquing things when I get back home too. You can only re-torque it if it's been torqued in the first place. What makes you think that they'll use a torque wrench? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 11:14:55 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:14:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 11:27:51 2004 Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:27:45 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Paul Wilson" , Normally I would just suggest a favorite... Here are some choices: Carlyle Grand -Shirlington Great food, reasonable parking in the lot by the movie theater, quick access, friendly large bar and tables outside Crystal City Restaurant -Crystal City $10.00 NY Strip with two sides done rare, um...topless entertainment and a pool table Central location. Parking is what you find Cheesecake Factory -Arlington Discount parking in lot across street, great burgers, lots of space, HUGE Portions, little bit of everything. ** I have an in at Carlyle so if everyone agrees and I get a fairly accurate head count I can ask to keep the entire bar area open which includes seating\eating space ** I could also set up a lunch in Bethesda at my joint but that is a trek I think Carlyle satisfies a lot of different requirements.so that is my number 1 pick. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:15 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 11:40:01 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! To: dcpatti Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- dcpatti wrote: > If anyone has any orange traffic cones stashed > anywhere and wants to get rid of them, please let me > know. In case you don't know, you can buy small ones -- about a foot tall -- in packs of six or ten at most sporting goods stores. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 11:53:00 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:52:43 -0400 > Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the > Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? How 'bout the Tyson's/Reston area? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 11:57:36 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:57:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st To: Julian Halton , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX The Crystal City Mob is riding to the Old Irish Brogue, out 193 (Georgetown Pike) outside the Beltway in Great Falls. We're planning on that being a beautiful day, and on a beautiful day, we want to ride a little further than Shirlington (and work a little less). Maps are at: http://www.xhost.org/images/GreatFalls.gif and http://www.xhost.org/images/GreatFallsSm.gif. Anyone who want to join us at noon is welcome, of course. We're leaving Crystal City at 11:30 (gathering at 20th St. and Crystal Drive). BTW, we do the brewpub in Shirlington a couple times a year for no good reason. Carlyle is too fru-fru for some of us, and others of us prefer Bistro Bistro, anyway. 8;) Regards, Larry We don't do the Crystal City Restaurant 1) because it's a block away, and doesn't make any sense for us to ride there; and 2) at least two yearly charity poker runs stop there. 8;) --- Julian Halton wrote: > Normally I would just suggest a favorite... > > Here are some choices: > > Carlyle Grand -Shirlington > Great food, reasonable parking in the lot by the movie theater, quick > access, friendly large bar and tables outside > > Crystal City Restaurant -Crystal City > $10.00 NY Strip with two sides done rare, um...topless entertainment and > a pool table > Central location. Parking is what you find > > Cheesecake Factory -Arlington > Discount parking in lot across street, great burgers, lots of space, > HUGE Portions, little bit of everything. > > > ** I have an in at Carlyle so if everyone agrees and I get a fairly > accurate head count I can ask to keep the entire bar area open which > includes seating\eating space > > ** I could also set up a lunch in Bethesda at my joint but that is a > trek > > I think Carlyle satisfies a lot of different requirements.so that is my > number 1 pick. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:15 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the > Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:02:53 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:02:43 -0400 > The Crystal City Mob is riding to the Old Irish Brogue, out > 193 (Georgetown Pike) outside the Beltway in Great Falls. > We're planning on that being a beautiful day, and on a > beautiful day, we want to ride a little further than > Shirlington (and work a little less). Works for me :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:06:49 2004 Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:06:46 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Michael Jordan" , Count me in then. See you guys then. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan [mailto:mjordan812@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:03 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > The Crystal City Mob is riding to the Old Irish Brogue, out > 193 (Georgetown Pike) outside the Beltway in Great Falls. > We're planning on that being a beautiful day, and on a beautiful day, > we want to ride a little further than Shirlington (and work a little > less). Works for me :-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:08:20 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:08:06 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:11:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > you're lucky you didn't > wind up with mangled valves. Valves, valve guides, pistons, even rods can be destroyed this way. That shop got off _real_ easy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:09:51 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:09:44 -0400 To: Dave Yates , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. At 10:54 AM 7/12/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Traffic cops could be instituting zero tolerance for all traffic >offenses right now, but they don't. Why do you think that >is? Lack of police resources, combined with wanting there to be no doubt about guilt in court. If they stop you for 56 in a 55 zone, there's some doubt about whether you were really speeding, as there are inherent inaccuracies in the measurement. If they get you for 60 or more in a 55 zone, there may be doubt that you were doing exactly 60, but very little that you were over 55. If a cop writes you a ticket for failing to signal a lane change, he'll have to go to court to testify, and that's time he won't be on the street. >You recently pointed out how many traffic laws there >are, and how easy it is to violate them. No, I didn't. I pointed out how many are violated frequently, without being enforced much at all. It may be easy to violate them, but it's just as easy not to...if you know how to drive. Most people either can't drive or don't care to bother to do it properly. The lack of enforcement is a likely cause of them not caring much whether they are inside the legal bounds or outside. That all of these restricted behaviors are dangerous doesn't seem to occur to them...they've done it a hundred times without dying. That others weren't so lucky, and that they might not be either on the 101st time, doesn't seem to occur to them. All that matters is how likely they are to get a ticket...and that's not very likely these days. >I would paraphrase >that as how "hard it is to not violate at least one traffic >law driving one mile". Not hard at all. Again, if you know how to drive. If you can't keep your vehicle in a lane, are operating it with defective equipment, or can't control your speed, it may be very hard. Sure seems to be for many people. >Are the police simply ignoring their >oaths by not enforcing these laws to the letter? By not enforcing them at all they may well be. Priorities enter into it though, so it's not at all clear. They aren't enforcing the traffic laws very well, but why is open to question. >Your logic above indicates that you believe a person should >be ticketed for going 56 mph in a 55mph zone. No, your misinterpretation of what I said might do that, but my logic doesn't at all. >Do you think >UPS, FedUP, USPS, etc. will still be able to deliver your >packages on time under this restriction with "Best" >enforcement? Sure, why not? Are you claiming that UPS, FedEx, USPS, etc. are basing their operations on being outside the law some, or all, of the time? >Who do you think will pay for the fines incurred in the long run? Those who break the laws and get caught? Same as now? >It might be far from perfect, but I like the current setup >better... With the 40,000+ dead every year? The hundreds of billions of dollars in direct and indirect costs? The traffic snarls? High insurance payments? Sorry, I think things could be better. I've *seen* them better in my lifetime. Back whem people were actually worried about getting tickets for running stop signs, crossing over into oncoming traffic, tailgating, etc., etc.. We've made cars (and bikes) much, much safer than they were back in the 60s and before, but the death toll is about the same. Why is that? More vehicles on the road is one factor, but I think poorer driving is at least as important. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:17:18 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:17:01 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:11:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > you're lucky you didn't > wind up with mangled valves. Valves, valve guides, pistons, even rods can be destroyed this way. That shop got off _real_ easy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX ----- I'm afraid I'm going to be forced to say something unkind. :-\ I think the most astonishing aspect of this story is that the customer pronounced himself to be satisfied with such mediocre (to be charitable) service. It's not the first time I've heard such stories, from all over the country, from monitoring various lists. Are our standards that low? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:23:24 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:08:31 -0400 Or how about the Reston/Herndon/Tysons Crowd? Rob '98 VFR800 From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:14:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:36:17 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:36:00 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Content-Language: en When I originally went to pick it up for the 4th of July weekend, they told me to bring it back when I had time to leave it because it was idling low and sounded like it needed some carb work done. They usually do take it for a test ride. Don't know if they did this time or not. Scooter In a message dated 7/12/2004 8:23:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:30:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > love to hear what those who actually know > think about it, so I can adjust my understanding as needed. Well I think he, or the dealership, was _damn_ lucky that no valves were bent. Clearances in a modern high performance motorcycle engine are so close that one tooth off on a cam chain is usually enough to allow the piston to hit a valve. _The_mechanic_should_have_checked!!!_ There was no excuse not to. And any kind of a test ride would have made the problem obvious, don)B’t these guys check their work anymore? I cannot imagine not riding a bike to check it out after working on it. John Walters (Long John) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:38:24 2004 Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:38:04 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: "Rob Keiser" , If we get there early enough we could probably dominate the 'On the Border' parking lot / bar and chase everyone else away. Of course I am biased as this is a hop and a skip for me but it would be cool to see that place lit up with bikes. Good food, not too expensive.. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:09 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > Or how about the Reston/Herndon/Tysons Crowd? > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: Paul Wilson > Reply-To: Paul Wilson > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:14:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > > Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the > Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:39:01 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:38:48 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Thanks. Considering I rode it 440 miles round trip to PA and back like that, I hope nothing else is wrong with it. I hope that, knowing that I did go to PA, that they checked out everything after discovering the cam chain problem. Liek I said, everything seems to be back to normal but, like I said, mechanically challenged person here. :-) Scooter In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:11:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: Ditto to what John said. Bad mistake by mechanic, work was never checked, you're lucky you didn't wind up with mangled valves. I'm glad everything worked out and your bike is ok! - Roach From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:46:43 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:46:36 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. To: "'DCCycles'" ... If they stop you for 56 in a 55 zone, there's some doubt >about whether you were really speeding, as there are >inherent inaccuracies in the measurement. If they get you >for 60 or more in a 55 zone, there may be doubt that you >were doing exactly 60, but very little that you were over >55. If a cop writes you a ticket for failing to signal a >lane change, he'll have to go to court to testify, and >that's time he won't be on the street. > >>You recently pointed out how many traffic laws there >>are, and how easy it is to violate them. > >No, I didn't. > >I pointed out how many are violated frequently, without >being enforced much at all. It may be easy to violate them, >but it's just as easy not to...if you know how to drive. > [Dave] I see. You have the annotated traffic code committed to memory? Or, you are simply such a vastly superior motor vehicle operator to all others. Perhaps both? Never mind. We need not address these. >Most people either can't drive or don't care to bother to do >it properly. The lack of enforcement is a likely cause of >them not caring much whether they are inside the legal >bounds or outside. That all of these restricted behaviors >are dangerous doesn't seem to occur to them...they've done >it a hundred times without dying. That others weren't so >lucky, and that they might not be either on the 101st time, >doesn't seem to occur to them. All that matters is how >likely they are to get a ticket...and that's not very >likely these days. [Dave] You are asserting that these "restricted behaviors" are dangerous in support of some sort of utopian automated enforcement scheme. Or for whatever reason, nevertheless, not all of them are. If that were the case, the speed limit would never have been raised from 55 once the NMSL was repealed. >>Your logic above indicates that you believe a person should >>be ticketed for going 56 mph in a 55mph zone. > >No, your misinterpretation of what I said might do that, but >my logic doesn't at all. [Dave] You said: >If they aren't to be enforced, they shouldn't be on the >books. If they are on the books, they should be enforced by >the best means possible. "Best" in this case means most >accurate and hardest to evade. are you now saying that 56mph in a 55mph zone shouldn't be enforced, though it is a violation of law? What am I misinterpreting here? > >>Do you think >>UPS, FedUP, USPS, etc. will still be able to deliver your >>packages on time under this restriction with "Best" >>enforcement? > >Sure, why not? Are you claiming that UPS, FedEx, USPS, etc. >are basing their operations on being outside the law some, >or all, of the time? [Dave] absolutely. It's not just them. Even the most basic supplies get hauled by truck. I won't venture a percentage of observation, but quite a few of them are in complete defiance of the speed limit. > >>Who do you think will pay for the fines incurred in the >long run? > >Those who break the laws and get caught? Same as now? [Dave] Who writes this stuff? These businesses aren't in the market to lose profitability. For driver's license jeopardizing offenses, it will cost the company and drive more in insurance money, for automated revenue generation, the company is billed. They may then assign that money to the driver, but then the driver will make adjustments, and behold - not as much stuff gets delivered. Who pays? Not the fine for the infraction, who pays for the lost productivity? Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:51:55 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:51:43 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st At 12:38 PM 7/12/2004, Smith, Andrew wrote: >If we get there early enough we could probably dominate the 'On the >Border' parking lot / bar and chase everyone else away. Of course I am >biased as this is a hop and a skip for me but it would be cool to see >that place lit up with bikes. Good food, not too expensive.. I'm all for OTB next to Reston Town Center. Unfortunately, I'll be in Tampa next week for work. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 12:54:55 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:54:44 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OK, you guys are worrying me now. I rode the bike to PA and back like this. Sounds and rides fine now. Having no mechanical knowledge and no place to even THINK about doing anything mechanically oriented with the bike, is there an easy way to check to make sure nothing else is messed up? I'm pretty sure this was just an accident and they (Cycle Sport in Alexandria) double-checked everything before they gave it back to me but, you never know. I mean, they knew I went to PA with it like that, I took it in on Tuesday and they had it until Friday. I've never had a problem with them before and I've been taking my bikes to them for the past 7 years. I even bought this bike from them. Anyone want to give a guy a helping hand? :-) Scooter In a message dated 7/12/2004 12:08:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:11:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, roach@XXXXXX writes: > you're lucky you didn't > wind up with mangled valves. Valves, valve guides, pistons, even rods can be destroyed this way. That shop got off _real_ easy. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 13:17:36 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:17:24 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX No wait a minute Paul. The folks at Cycle Sport have always been great with me. Hell, most of them know my name when I walk in the door. I was satisified with their service, and still am, because, being mechanically challenged, they gave me an explanation that made sense to me when I asked them. When I first picked up the bike after they changed out the tensioner, they knew I wanted the bike for that weekend and asked me to bring it back in afterwards because it sounded like it needed some carb work. After taking it back, and explaining the problems I had, that's when they discovered the problem with the chain being off a notch. I don't know whether it was the chain or the tensioner. Either way, they remedied the situation for me and explained what happened. I'm sure that if I have any additional problems resulting from their mistake, they will take care of it. If not, I will take my business elsewhere. It's funny how everyone thinks mechanics who work at these shops are incompetent and preech about doing the work themselves. If I were even the slightest bit mechanically inclined, and had someplace to do it, I probably would consider doing it. However, I have neither the time, patience, know-how or space to do it. Did anybody ever stop to think that most mechanics out there got their start on bikes by working on their own and just decided that that is what they wanted to try and make their living doing? And I honestly don't think my standards are too low. As I said, I have never had a problem with them before and to knock me for the one time that I did, and happened to mention it to the list, is not very fair. I submitted to the list my initial problem, I got responses back suggesting what it might be, I took it in, they confirmed it, fixed it, made a mistake, admitted it, fixed it and I was happy that they did. Whether or not they are telling me the truth about what really happened I may never know but, what's done is done. Scooter (officially dropping this subject now) In a message dated 7/12/2004 12:17:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: I'm afraid I'm going to be forced to say something unkind. :-\ I think the most astonishing aspect of this story is that the customer pronounced himself to be satisfied with such mediocre (to be charitable) service. It's not the first time I've heard such stories, from all over the country, from monitoring various lists. Are our standards that low? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 13:49:17 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:48:02 -0400 From: "Judy La Follette" To: , Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. >>> Daniel 07/11/04 01:33PM >>> i have to blame police administration too... I would also like to see it a ticketable offense to drive in a fashion where you're riding side by side, 2 cars, taking away each others emergency swerve room, and impeding traffic... Hey, funny you would say that . . . I just got a ticket Saturday for basically the same thing. I was taking my bike to a new shop for service about 2)B½ hours away. I had the bike on the back of the truck, and planned on taking it easy the entire way. The speed limit on Route 17 South was 55 mph. I was using the cruise control to make sure I went about the speed limit (56-57 mph) A SUV decided to ride beside me for many many miles. I let off the throttle, only to have the vehicle do the same thing. I sped up, same thing. This went on for a couple miles. I then decided I was just going to pull away from the vehicle. Leaving the cruise control on, I sped up . .. . I got my distance and had just totally let off the throttle, only to see the cop hidden in the authorized vehicle pull through in the median. I saw him, but did not want to slam on the brakes because of the bike. Absolutely no one in front of me, so of course, I guess I was the first one to go through his radar. I never even saw the blue lights (it was a Virginia State Trooper). I saw his fog lights come on, and I thought he was signaling for me to slow it down. His next immediate aggressive move made me hit my brakes hard, because I thought he was going to pull out in front of me. Still not seeing any lights, I was sure he was after me with his aggressive move. I immediately signaled and pulled off the shoulder nd then onto the grass. This was the first time I saw his blue lights (and this time the fog lights were flashing--I guess they were strobe lights). He asked for Driver's License, and registration. Told me he got me for going 70 in a 55, and that the speed limit was marked many many times along the road. I agreed that I saw the speed limit signs, and told him that I had just sped up to pull away from the driver behind me because I had been having problems with the driver riding beside me and in my blind spot for miles. He said sit still and do not leave your vehicle, I am writing you a summons. I do not know if he saw that I was out of the area (at least the county) and figured that I would not go to court or not. I guess he did not like the "true" reasoning for my speed at the time. $131.00 total fine did not make my day, of course. There was absolutely no traffic on that road, going either direction. A good lecture would have been fine, and I was going back to my cruise anyway. Oh well, made it down to the new shop and back with no further trouble. Unfortunately, I do not think that my bike will be ready for the Ride to Work Day. Judy '97 748 Duc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 14:27:04 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:26:10 -0400 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) At 12:54 PM 7/12/04 EDT, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: >OK, you guys are worrying me now. I rode the bike to PA and back like this. > Sounds and rides fine now. Having no mechanical knowledge and no place to >even THINK about doing anything mechanically oriented with the bike, is there >an easy way to check to make sure nothing else is messed up? Take it to someone else, whom you trust, and get them to look into it? That will cost extra money unless that someone else is a friend and does it for a pizza and beers or something. Short of that, all I could guess at would be to check the oil at the next change and look for metal particles (cut the filter open to check there too). That it's running normally now is a good sign in my book, but IANAM. >I mean, >they knew I went to PA with it like that, I took it in on Tuesday and they had >it until Friday. I've never had a problem with them before and I've been >taking my bikes to them for the past 7 years. I even bought this bike from >them. I'd guess that either there was no damage done, or they fixed more than they said to cover it quietly and preserve good will. In either of those cases you should be fine. Since IANAM, I don't know if there's any potential for long-term problems that won't show up for a long time, such as from increased wear on something like valve guides, or even if there'd be any way to tie future problems back to this incident. Since you made it to PA and back without a breakdown, it sounds like the problems were more performance-related than damage-causing...but IANAM. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 14:27:08 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:19:40 -0400 To: Dave Yates , "'DCCycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. At 12:46 PM 7/12/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>I pointed out how many are violated frequently, without >>being enforced much at all. It may be easy to violate them, >>but it's just as easy not to...if you know how to drive. > >[Dave] I see. You have the annotated traffic code committed >to memory? No, just enough of it to stay inside the law while driving. There's not really that much you need to know, and most of that is on the driving test to get a license. Signs, lines and a few other things like following distance and emergency vehicles and you will avoid 90+% of the violations I see on any given outing. If you are really having difficulty with this stuff, please stay the hell off the public roads. >Never mind. We need not address these. Then why did you bring them up? >>Most people either can't drive or don't care to bother to do >>it properly. The lack of enforcement is a likely cause of >>them not caring much whether they are inside the legal >>bounds or outside. That all of these restricted behaviors >>are dangerous doesn't seem to occur to them...they've done >>it a hundred times without dying. That others weren't so >>lucky, and that they might not be either on the 101st time, >>doesn't seem to occur to them. All that matters is how >>likely they are to get a ticket...and that's not very >>likely these days. > >[Dave] You are asserting that these "restricted behaviors" >are dangerous in support of some sort of utopian automated >enforcement scheme. I'm suggesting that the laws were passed for a reason, whether you can comprehend that reason or not. Some traffic laws are completely archaic, and are no longer enforced, and may even have been repealed (such as the one about having a man with a lantern walk ahead of the car at night). Most, including all of the ones we've been discussing, are not archaic and still have very valid safety considerations. The vast majority of all traffic deaths involve violation of one or more of them. >Or for whatever reason, nevertheless, >not all of them are. If that were the case, the speed limit >would never have been raised from 55 once the NMSL was >repealed. That was passed for political reasons, and repealed for the same. Nevertheless, there were lots of studies that showed that it did have safety implications, which is why it wasn't repealed for populated areas. >>>Your logic above indicates that you believe a person should >>>be ticketed for going 56 mph in a 55mph zone. >> >>No, your misinterpretation of what I said might do that, but >>my logic doesn't at all. > >[Dave] You said: >>If they aren't to be enforced, they shouldn't be on the >>books. If they are on the books, they should be enforced by >>the best means possible. "Best" in this case means most >>accurate and hardest to evade. > >are you now saying that 56mph in a 55mph zone shouldn't be >enforced, though it is a violation of law? What am I >misinterpreting here? Now vs. some potential future situation? If speed can be accurately determined to within 1 mph, then yes, 56 in a 55 should be a ticketable offense if exceeding 55 is against the law. At the moment, we can't determine speed that accurately, reliably enough, to serve as evidence in court, so there's a bit of a margin over the limit where you may be able to get away with it. Perhaps you are mentally confusing "speed limit" with "required minimum speed"? The sign says, "Speed Limit 55" and you mentally turn this into "I have to have the needle on 55 at all times here", which would make it easy to slip up and have it at 56 from time to time. If you are worried about your ability to hold a speed that closely, then drive at 50. Then you have your 5mph "pad" back. From a safety standpoint, 56 isn't really much different from 55, so why the hullabaloo over the 1 mph? I'd tend to agree, but unless we want to eliminate speed limits entirely (which you said you didn't want to do), we need some sort of cut-off at which speed will be considered "excessive". A sliding window might be one way to deal with it...the farther over you are, the more you pay. 1 mph over might be some minimum fine, like $1 or whatever, with the fine going up as the amount over the limit goes up. If there was automated enforcement, similar to what I described, this would probably be plenty to get compliance...if you insist on pushing the limit, you are likely to go over it dozens of times a year and the fine would mount up to enough to get your attention, which is the whole purpose of traffic laws. "'Revenue enhancement' is the reason for speed limits!" I hear you cry? Well, at least it's voluntary. Don't want to pay tickets? Drive within the law. Get tickets anyway? That's police corruption, and a whole 'nuther issue... >>Sure, why not? Are you claiming that UPS, FedEx, USPS, etc. >>are basing their operations on being outside the law some, >>or all, of the time? > >[Dave] absolutely. Then we have things that need changing. No company should be basing its operations on being outside the law, and any that do should suffer. Without laws (rules), we are just a mob, not a society. >It's not just them. Even the most basic >supplies get hauled by truck. I won't venture a percentage >of observation, but quite a few of them are in complete >defiance of the speed limit. Larger shipping companies already track their trucks by GPS and uplinks of some sort. Enforcement using this info should be simple enough, given that we already have traffic camera evidence allowed in court. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd guess that if a given company's trucks got some number of speeding tickets in a short period of time that that could be used to demonstrate a pattern, and qualify for a search warrant to get the GPS data, which would allow ticketing of *all* infractions, rather than just those that some cop happened to witness when he had time to make a stop. That would then lead to companies not tracking their trucks so closely of course, unless that was made mandatory, or taken over by government (probably as a precursor to doing it for all vehicles). >>>Who do you think will pay for the fines incurred in the >>long run? >> >>Those who break the laws and get caught? Same as now? > >[Dave] Who writes this stuff? These businesses aren't in >the market to lose profitability. For driver's license >jeopardizing offenses, it will cost the company and drive >more in insurance money, for automated revenue generation, >the company is billed. They may then assign that money to >the driver, but then the driver will make adjustments, and >behold - not as much stuff gets delivered. Who pays? Not >the fine for the infraction, who pays for the lost >productivity? Society as a whole...the same folks who benefit from safer roads. Society, as a whole, has already spoken as to which it prefers when it passed the laws. It is not up to the individuals, companies or drivers, to decide otherwise. It's the same "individual vs. group" situation that happens at every busy intersection. From an individual standpoint, pushing the yellow and getting stuck in the middle of the intersection with nowhere to go due to stopped traffic ahead is a win...the individual gets through the intersection sooner than if they'd stayed out and gotten caught by the red and had to wait a cycle. From the group (everyone else at the intersection) standpoint, it's much better for the person to stay out and wait a cycle, as it avoids the cross-traffic not being able to move due to the blocked intersection. The majority of traffic win, though the individual pays a slight cost (though, since that individual is part of the group for the *next* intersection, they win in the long run with that rule too). Society has decided that the many outweigh the one in this situation, so the laws were created to state that you can't enter an intersection until you have a way to exit it available. That prevents the gridlock that results when people take the best choice for them personally, and screw everyone else...at least if the laws are actually enforced. That one is so infrequently enforced that many drivers aren't even aware that it exists... Unless this discussion veers sharply back toward motorcycles (no need to signal), I'm done replying to it here. If you want to continue, send to me off-list. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 14:27:38 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'ScooterFZR@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:27:14 -0400 I agree. Good mechanics are hard to find but when your comfortable with whom you are dealing with it makes a difference. -----Original Message----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX [mailto:ScooterFZR@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 1:17 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) No wait a minute Paul. The folks at Cycle Sport have always been great with me. Hell, most of them know my name when I walk in the door. I was satisified with their service, and still am, because, being mechanically challenged, they gave me an explanation that made sense to me when I asked them. When I first picked up the bike after they changed out the tensioner, they knew I wanted the bike for that weekend and asked me to bring it back in afterwards because it sounded like it needed some carb work. After taking it back, and explaining the problems I had, that's when they discovered the problem with the chain being off a notch. I don't know whether it was the chain or the tensioner. Either way, they remedied the situation for me and explained what happened. I'm sure that if I have any additional problems resulting from their mistake, they will take care of it. If not, I will take my business elsewhere. It's funny how everyone thinks mechanics who work at these shops are incompetent and preech about doing the work themselves. If I were even the slightest bit mechanically inclined, and had someplace to do it, I probably would consider doing it. However, I have neither the time, patience, know-how or space to do it. Did anybody ever stop to think that most mechanics out there got their start on bikes by working on their own and just decided that that is what they wanted to try and make their living doing? And I honestly don't think my standards are too low. As I said, I have never had a problem with them before and to knock me for the one time that I did, and happened to mention it to the list, is not very fair. I submitted to the list my initial problem, I got responses back suggesting what it might be, I took it in, they confirmed it, fixed it, made a mistake, admitted it, fixed it and I was happy that they did. Whether or not they are telling me the truth about what really happened I may never know but, what's done is done. Scooter (officially dropping this subject now) In a message dated 7/12/2004 12:17:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, viffermaniac@XXXXXX writes: I'm afraid I'm going to be forced to say something unkind. :-\ I think the most astonishing aspect of this story is that the customer pronounced himself to be satisfied with such mediocre (to be charitable) service. It's not the first time I've heard such stories, from all over the country, from monitoring various lists. Are our standards that low? Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 14:53:12 2004 Subject: Bike covers Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:53:07 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Ended up at Battley's Saturday at was looking for a bike cover as my bike has been "harassed" a few times in Bethesda...nothing permanent, but finding real estate leaflets covering your bike in a mosaic at 3:15am is somewhat disconcerting. From what I understood Dowco was the be-all and end-all of covers. The G-50 for sport bikes to be specific. Sales dude Paris talked me out of the Dowco and into a OSI Evolution. Apparently the OSI cover is heavier duty and of a different material that somehow allows the bike to breathe and not rust as easily. As they were out of the G-50 and I had that spend bug, I bought one. Does anyone have any experience with these things? Can covers actually scratch windshields and paint jobs? What about this: http://www.cycleshelter.com/ Anyone have a shelter? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 15:16:22 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:16:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Bike covers I have no direct experience with these things... but... it looks like the hugest P.I.T.A. to setup/breakdown. Unless you'd be using this in your backyard as an alternative to a shed or garage -- I'd pass on it. -Sean Julian Halton wrote: > Ended up at Battley's Saturday at was looking for a bike cover as my > bike has been "harassed" a few times in Bethesda...nothing permanent, > but finding real estate leaflets covering your bike in a mosaic at > 3:15am is somewhat disconcerting. > >>From what I understood Dowco was the be-all and end-all of covers. The > G-50 for sport bikes to be specific. Sales dude Paris talked me out of > the Dowco and into a OSI Evolution. Apparently the OSI cover is heavier > duty and of a different material that somehow allows the bike to breathe > and not rust as easily. > > As they were out of the G-50 and I had that spend bug, I bought one. > Does anyone have any experience with these things? Can covers actually > scratch windshields and paint jobs? What about this: > http://www.cycleshelter.com/ > Anyone have a shelter? > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 16:17:53 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike covers Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:17:21 -0400 I been covering my bikes with either the Osi or the Dowco exclsively for years. The Osi has a higher breathability factor, but it also lets in a lot of dust. Where I live the gas blower-toting goundskeepers consider it a personal failing if every car isn't covered with an inch of dust and debris, with extra credit for rocks that make their way into your air conditioner vent and smack you in the forehead when you fire up the car. As such, my bikes would still be covered by dust even with the cover on it. The Dowco is "solid" so to speak but has a single vent that lets trapped moisture evaporate as well as a section of soft fabric sewn inside the area that goes over your windscreen so that the windscreen doesn't get scratched. I found that sun broke down the material about equally, but the biggest problem by far was the crows as they feed right out of radioactive waste containers and their S**t eats through the covers. Another thought, you may want two, one for work and one for home as they only fold that small at the store, mine was too much of a PITA to take to work everyday to I gave up and left it at home. Of course, this morning my G-50 snagged a footpeg and ripped a 2 foot long gash, so after 4 years I'm looking for another one. I have no experience with the CycleShelter, sorry. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Ended up at Battley's Saturday at was looking for a bike cover as my bike has been "harassed" a few times in Bethesda...nothing permanent, but finding real estate leaflets covering your bike in a mosaic at 3:15am is somewhat disconcerting. From what I understood Dowco was the be-all and end-all of covers. The G-50 for sport bikes to be specific. Sales dude Paris talked me out of the Dowco and into a OSI Evolution. Apparently the OSI cover is heavier duty and of a different material that somehow allows the bike to breathe and not rust as easily. As they were out of the G-50 and I had that spend bug, I bought one. Does anyone have any experience with these things? Can covers actually scratch windshields and paint jobs? What about this: http://www.cycleshelter.com/ Anyone have a shelter? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 16:54:30 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:54:17 EDT Subject: Re: Bike covers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have one of those stretchy nylon/spandex covers for my bike. Can't think of the name of it right now but, it only covers the top half of the bike. I don't use it that often as I live in a building with an underground parking garage but, I had it on when they were doing repair work down there. Everything in the garage had a layer of white dust on it. Everywhere the cover was stayed nice and clean. Comes with it's own carrying bag and hasn't scratched the bike yet. Scooter In a message dated 7/12/2004 4:18:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: I been covering my bikes with either the Osi or the Dowco exclsively for years. The Osi has a higher breathability factor, but it also lets in a lot of dust. Where I live the gas blower-toting goundskeepers consider it a personal failing if every car isn't covered with an inch of dust and debris, with extra credit for rocks that make their way into your air conditioner vent and smack you in the forehead when you fire up the car. As such, my bikes would still be covered by dust even with the cover on it. The Dowco is "solid" so to speak but has a single vent that lets trapped moisture evaporate as well as a section of soft fabric sewn inside the area that goes over your windscreen so that the windscreen doesn't get scratched. I found that sun broke down the material about equally, but the biggest problem by far was the crows as they feed right out of radioactive waste containers and their S**t eats through the covers. Another thought, you may want two, one for work and one for home as they only fold that small at the store, mine was too much of a PITA to take to work everyday to I gave up and left it at home. Of course, this morning my G-50 snagged a footpeg and ripped a 2 foot long gash, so after 4 years I'm looking for another one. I have no experience with the CycleShelter, sorry. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA Ended up at Battley's Saturday at was looking for a bike cover as my bike has been "harassed" a few times in Bethesda...nothing permanent, but finding real estate leaflets covering your bike in a mosaic at 3:15am is somewhat disconcerting. From what I understood Dowco was the be-all and end-all of covers. The G-50 for sport bikes to be specific. Sales dude Paris talked me out of the Dowco and into a OSI Evolution. Apparently the OSI cover is heavier duty and of a different material that somehow allows the bike to breathe and not rust as easily. As they were out of the G-50 and I had that spend bug, I bought one. Does anyone have any experience with these things? Can covers actually scratch windshields and paint jobs? What about this: http://www.cycleshelter.com/ Anyone have a shelter? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 16:57:04 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:56:52 EDT Subject: Re: Bike covers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX PS. I think it is also machine washable. Scooter In a message dated 7/12/2004 4:54:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: I have one of those stretchy nylon/spandex covers for my bike. Can't think of the name of it right now but, it only covers the top half of the bike. I don't use it that often as I live in a building with an underground parking garage but, I had it on when they were doing repair work down there. Everything in the garage had a layer of white dust on it. Everywhere the cover was stayed nice and clean. Comes with it's own carrying bag and hasn't scratched the bike yet. Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 17:38:45 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 17:26:52 -0400 That could work for me, too. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" To: Julian Halton , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:57:28 -0700 (PDT) The Crystal City Mob is riding to the Old Irish Brogue, out 193 (Georgetown Pike) outside the Beltway in Great Falls. We're planning on that being a beautiful day, and on a beautiful day, we want to ride a little further than Shirlington (and work a little less). Maps are at: http://www.xhost.org/images/GreatFalls.gif and http://www.xhost.org/images/GreatFallsSm.gif. Anyone who want to join us at noon is welcome, of course. We're leaving Crystal City at 11:30 (gathering at 20th St. and Crystal Drive). BTW, we do the brewpub in Shirlington a couple times a year for no good reason. Carlyle is too fru-fru for some of us, and others of us prefer Bistro Bistro, anyway. 8;) Regards, Larry We don't do the Crystal City Restaurant 1) because it's a block away, and doesn't make any sense for us to ride there; and 2) at least two yearly charity poker runs stop there. 8;) --- Julian Halton wrote: > Normally I would just suggest a favorite... > > Here are some choices: > > Carlyle Grand -Shirlington > Great food, reasonable parking in the lot by the movie theater, quick > access, friendly large bar and tables outside > > Crystal City Restaurant -Crystal City > $10.00 NY Strip with two sides done rare, um...topless entertainment and > a pool table > Central location. Parking is what you find > > Cheesecake Factory -Arlington > Discount parking in lot across street, great burgers, lots of space, > HUGE Portions, little bit of everything. > > > ** I have an in at Carlyle so if everyone agrees and I get a fairly > accurate head count I can ask to keep the entire bar area open which > includes seating\eating space > > ** I could also set up a lunch in Bethesda at my joint but that is a > trek > > I think Carlyle satisfies a lot of different requirements.so that is my > number 1 pick. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 11:15 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the > Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 18:41:51 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:41:36 -0400 To: DC Cycles That sure sounds like a big ticket for 15 over. If I were you, I'd make the trip to court -- but I've had good court experiences in the past (fines cut in half, points removed, things like that). YMMV, etc. etc. Steve (who is rarely NOT going 15 over in a 55... along with most of the traffic) On Jul 12, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Judy La Follette wrote: > > > $131.00 total fine did not make my day, of course. There was > absolutely no traffic on that road, going either direction. A good > lecture would have been fine, and I was going back to my cruise > anyway. Oh well, made it down to the new shop and back with no > further trouble. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 19:37:39 2004 From: Daniel To: "Judy La Follette" Cc: Subject: Re: Wow... wow. Wow. Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 19:36:46 -0400 Pulling over to get away from that driver would have been a better idea.. As far as who to ticket when 2 cars are pacing... you could ticket the one on the left because he should be moving faster.. or you could pace the one on the right, because he should slwo down when he sees a car pacing at his left. hell ticket them both.. video tape it and mail them the ticket.. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 20:51:15 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:50:54 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/12/2004 12:55:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > OK, you guys are worrying me now. I rode the bike to PA and back like this. > > Sounds and rides fine now. Then it is fine. If it had bent a valve it would still run poorly, or more likely not at all. As for the other stuff I mentioned well same thing, your bike would not run, or run poorly. I do agree that all mechanics make mistakes, hell I did/do. That is why you check your work by riding the bike after you work on it. I do not blame your mechanic for making a mistake, just for failure to check when he made a major mechanical repair that had such a potential for havoc if done wrong. I also suspect that a shop manual would have had him put the crank into a particular position to relieve pressure on the cam chain before removing the tensioner so that it would not jump time and that he never looked (that is a judgment based on experience, I do not have a manual for your bike sitting here.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 12 21:43:57 2004 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:43:55 -0400 From: kslawson@XXXXXX Subject: Dual Sport for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm selling a 2002 BMW F650GS Dakar in excellent condition with lots of extras: Givi sidebags, Wolfman tankbag, Techlusion fuel controller, 2 accessory sockets, center stand. The bike has 18K miles, fresh Michelin tires, new front brake pads, new chain/sprockets (not yet installed). The bike has served me well, but I'm ready for a return to sportbikes. Shoot me an email if you're interested. Thanks. -Kurt From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 07:31:34 2004 From: Kirk Roy To: Subject: Bike accident on 270 this morning Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 7:31:25 -0400 Anyone know what happened? It was in Germantown heading south on 270. The emergency workers were huddled over the rider in the 2nd lane (I didn't realize it was a bike until I spoke to my wife, who heard it on the news - I *thought* I saw a helmet but I didn't see the bike). Kirk From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 09:01:05 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Bike covers Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:03:55 -0400 I have a www.cycleshell.com (not a www.cycleshelter.com ). The cycle shell is *not* pick up and carry portable, but is a great way to store the bike in the back yard. The shell has a hard bottom. It looks like the shelter has a soft bottom. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Steele" To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: Re: Bike covers > I have no direct experience with these things... but... it looks like > the hugest P.I.T.A. to setup/breakdown. Unless you'd be using this in > your backyard as an alternative to a shed or garage -- I'd pass on it. > > -Sean > > Julian Halton wrote: > > > Ended up at Battley's Saturday at was looking for a bike cover as my > > bike has been "harassed" a few times in Bethesda...nothing permanent, > > but finding real estate leaflets covering your bike in a mosaic at > > 3:15am is somewhat disconcerting. > > > >>From what I understood Dowco was the be-all and end-all of covers. The > > G-50 for sport bikes to be specific. Sales dude Paris talked me out of > > the Dowco and into a OSI Evolution. Apparently the OSI cover is heavier > > duty and of a different material that somehow allows the bike to breathe > > and not rust as easily. > > > > As they were out of the G-50 and I had that spend bug, I bought one. > > Does anyone have any experience with these things? Can covers actually > > scratch windshields and paint jobs? What about this: > > http://www.cycleshelter.com/ > > Anyone have a shelter? > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 09:15:37 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF Course in Alexandria Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:16:49 -0400 FYI: We received new guidance today about walk-ins / stand-bys at Alexandria. Absolutely none. Before there was some instructor discresion, but that has been removed too. If you aren't registered for a class, you won't be allowed in, period. Just want to help in case anyone was thinking of trying to wait for a walk in slot. Louis --------- "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 10:27:18 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:27:13 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! Tennis-ball-halves work well, too. No worries about losing traction as you ride over them. Free, too, if you spend 15 min. outside a tennis court! Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:39:52 -0700 (PDT) >--- dcpatti wrote: >> If anyone has any orange traffic cones stashed >> anywhere and wants to get rid of them, please let me >> know. > >In case you don't know, you can buy small ones -- about a foot tall -- in packs >of six or ten at most sporting goods stores. > >-- Larry > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 10:50:29 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:49:31 -0400 To: "Louis Caplan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: MSF Course in Alexandria At 09:16 AM 7/13/04 -0400, Louis Caplan wrote: > >FYI: We received new guidance today about walk-ins / stand-bys at Alexandria. Absolutely none. Before there was some instructor discresion, but that has been removed too. I guess they must be worried about terrorists getting bike training and riding a hijacked passenger-filled bike into some large structure... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 10:50:29 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 10:50:49 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! At 10:27 AM 7/13/04 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Tennis-ball-halves work well, too. No worries about losing traction as you ride over them. Free, too, if you spend 15 min. outside a tennis court! You can also ask players for dead balls. Most just throw them out anyway. Their dogs can play with just so many of them. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 11:31:11 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:31:08 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: Mike Bartman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Course in Alexandria X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server Funny you should mention that. Riding my enduro around DC, for all the hyper- paranoid Capitol Hill Police Officers and big-ass planters and Jersey barriers etc. that have sprung up everywhere in the name of 'security' I've always thought most places were very open to a blitzkreig by a nutter with a bit of off-road / jumping skill on an enduro. Jackey Chan makes vertical walls look like sidewalks. Some enduro riders can make 10 foot walls look like curbs. Deer, of course, make 12' walls look like hurdles. I'm surprised that the whitehouse doesn't spend more time preparing for attacks by booby-trapped deer! I will probably get arrested for saying this in an election year, so start a fund to get me out of Guantanamo now, and I'll see you next decade. Stephen Quoting Mike Bartman : > At 09:16 AM 7/13/04 -0400, Louis Caplan wrote: > > > >FYI: We received new guidance today about walk-ins / stand-bys at > Alexandria. Absolutely none. Before there was some instructor discresion, > but that has been removed too. > > I guess they must be worried about terrorists getting bike training and > riding a hijacked passenger-filled bike into some large structure... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 11:32:45 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:32:43 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Traffic Cones Wanted!!! X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server Once upon a time, in a land far, far away .. I was an MSF instructor. Given that you're posting on a motorcycle list, I will assume you're going to use them for m/c skills practice. For ease of use, their flexibility when run over, their unintimidating presence, and their general stay-on-the-ground-when-it's-windy-ness I higly recommend disc-cones 'normally' used for soccer practice. I find the 12" (diameter) cones too large and prefer the 9" cones. $20 for 50 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000DJI28/sr=1- 9/qid=1089731640/ref=sr_1_9/104-2616553-5064749?v=glance&n=3375301& s=sporting%2dgoods $.95 each http://www.absolute-soccer-equipment.com/coaching.asp From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 11:56:32 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:56:41 -0400 To: stephen@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: MSF Course in Alexandria Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:31 AM 7/13/04 -0400, stephen@XXXXXX wrote: >Funny you should mention that. Riding my enduro around DC, for all the hyper- >paranoid Capitol Hill Police Officers and big-ass planters and Jersey barriers >etc. that have sprung up everywhere in the name of 'security' I've always >thought most places were very open to a blitzkreig by a nutter with a bit of >off-road / jumping skill on an enduro. There would be a limit to how much damage could be done, but a suicide bomber on a bike would be a problem I think. Sure, a couple of hits from a sidearm and they'd be down, but hitting a moving target is not at all easy, even with practice. A shotgun would help some, but only some. If this sort of attack gets to a level where they'd want to do something about it, I'd guess that nets would be the answer. Like those ones they use to trap bird flocks for study, only beefier...they are in a line, folded up, with small rockets to throw them up and over the birds. For a bike attack, I'd guess that springs would work if it was timed properly...just need to throw the net up 10' or so just before the bike gets there, so the rider runs into it before it falls again. Inexpensive, low tech, unobtrusive until needed (hide it in the curbs?) relatively safe and easily repaired...nah, they'd never go for it... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 12:12:55 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX and they probably billed scooter for their time. --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:11:12 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > roach@XXXXXX writes: > > > you're lucky you didn't > > wind up with mangled valves. > > Valves, valve guides, pistons, even rods can be destroyed > this way. That shop > got off _real_ easy. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 12:14:34 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX "$200 for carb cleaning please" --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > When I originally went to pick it up for the 4th of July > weekend, they told > me to bring it back when I had time to leave it because > it was idling low and > sounded like it needed some carb work done. They usually > do take it for a > test ride. Don't know if they did this time or not. > > Scooter > > In a message dated 7/12/2004 8:23:54 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX writes: > In a message dated 7/11/2004 10:30:02 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > love to hear what those who actually know > > think about it, so I can adjust my understanding as > needed. > > Well I think he, or the dealership, was _damn_ lucky > that no valves were > bent. Clearances in a modern high performance motorcycle > engine are so close > that > one tooth off on a cam chain is usually enough to allow > the piston to hit a > valve. _The_mechanic_should_have_checked!!!_ There was > no excuse not to. > And any kind of a test ride would have made the problem > obvious, don)B’t these > guys check their work anymore? I cannot imagine not > riding a bike to check > it > out after working on it. > > > John Walters (Long John) > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 12:18:09 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:17:49 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Only for the initial tensioner replacement. No charge for the repairing of their screw-up. Scooter In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:13:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: and they probably billed scooter for their time. --- PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/12/2004 9:11:12 AM Eastern Daylight > Time, > roach@XXXXXX writes: > > > you're lucky you didn't > > wind up with mangled valves. > > Valves, valve guides, pistons, even rods can be destroyed > this way. That shop > got off _real_ easy. > > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 12:19:04 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 12:18:53 EDT Subject: Re: No More Rattle - Part 2 (Cross-posted) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Did that. Didn't work. Only made things worse as the idle was off to begin with. Scooter In a message dated 7/13/2004 12:14:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: "$200 for carb cleaning please" --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > When I originally went to pick it up for the 4th of July > weekend, they told > me to bring it back when I had time to leave it because > it was idling low and > sounded like it needed some carb work done. They usually > do take it for a > test ride. Don't know if they did this time or not. > > Scooter From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 13 18:15:42 2004 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 15:15:18 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Rat bike and many project bikes for sale To: DC Cycles I am posting this for a friend who is moving and has a frightening number of parts/project/rat bikes to sell. This is round 1, I know he has other stuff to sell off. If you are interested in anything on the list please email me and I will give you his contact info. All bikes are located in Old Town area. This is a long post, sorry, but hey, there is a $500 runner on the list and a free parts bike so read on... ---------- Excellent Rat Bike: 77 Honda CB 750 w/ 26K, runs good, Metzlers, licensed, inspected, leaky carb...$500.00 Projects/parts bikes. Please note that the following bikes were baptised by Hurricane Isabel last year when my home became an island in the Potomac for about five hours. All bikes were immediately drained and cranks and cylinders were filled with oil and were jumped directly to the starters and cranked over, the drained again and refilled with oil in crank and cylinders so engines should be OK. No juice was put into the electrics, so this is an unknown, though should work once cleaned. They have been sitting since longing for a good home and some TLC. Moving soon so all must go either here or e-bay. 90 HONDA CBR 1000F Hurricane(ironic isn't it) no plastic, no title, for parts. This was a parts bike for a street fighter I built in 97 with only 25K and running great, I started aquiring parts off e-bay as another street fighter project. Got good forks, tank and seat, wiring harness and radiator off e-bay. Missing is any and all plastic parts, speedo/tach assembly/ left clip on, oil cooler, 1 front rotor. Spent a lot of time piecing it back together, sigh....yours for a mere $600.00. 83 CB 1000 Custom, Needs engine work. Top cam chain ca.$89.00 and chain guide, main bearing on clutch hub main shaft is loose. I shimmed it some but should be replaced as the trans will jam if the bearings go loose. Thats it along with the baptism. I rode this monster for years in DC till 2001, with its high low overdrive box it will eat up any sixhundred off the line in low. Perhaps one of my favorite commuter bikes, heavy and versitile, probably stick it in my sister's barn if there are no takers....$400.00 81 Kawasaki 550 Ltd, 7K, no title, for parts or restoration, 90% complete...$200.00 85 Suzuki 380 GT, rare 3 cyl. 2 stroke w/ extra motor sans pistons 90% complete, have title somewhere...$200.00 ALso 79 FORD MUSTANG 5.0 Hatchback Project, runs good, new clutch, KYBs, Mitchlins on original TRX rims...$600.00 to good home HONDA MAGNA/ Sabre 80 SOMETHING, No title, in pieces, Free...U haul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 10:14:42 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sporty Shaftie. Sporty Shaftie anyone? http://tinyurl.com/5aujw (this is snorked from nedod, btw) -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 10:51:22 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Sporty Shaftie. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Never been a fan of Beemers but I gotta admit that's a fine looking machine. Glenn --- "Daniel H. Brown" wrote: > > > Sporty Shaftie anyone? > > > http://tinyurl.com/5aujw > > > (this is snorked from nedod, btw) > > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 10:58:50 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 07:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sporty Shaftie. X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > Sporty Shaftie anyone? I'll see you that, and raise you a Rocket III. Fish. guess it's not quite so "sporty", tho From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 11:03:44 2004 Subject: RE: Sporty Shaftie. Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:03:40 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" 160bhp 1157cc..ss Wonder how heavy it will be and of-course ABS integrated brakes...good or bad? -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:59 AM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sporty Shaftie. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > Sporty Shaftie anyone? I'll see you that, and raise you a Rocket III. Fish. guess it's not quite so "sporty", tho From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 11:19:53 2004 Subject: RE: Sporty Shaftie. Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:19:33 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: "Julian Halton" , "Fish Flowers" , "DC-Cycles" Amazing how the styling looks almost exactly like my old Yamaha YZF-600R Thundercat.. Seperated at birth? BMW : http://www.motorradonline.de/fm/109/BMWK1200S_127.jpg Thundercat : http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitimage/2/mcy/5/25/0/5986/yamaha_ yzf600r.aspx > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Halton [mailto:julian@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:04 AM > To: Fish Flowers; DC-Cycles > Subject: RE: Sporty Shaftie. > > > 160bhp > 1157cc..ss > > Wonder how heavy it will be and of-course ABS integrated > brakes...good or bad? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fish Flowers [mailto:fish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 10:59 AM > To: DC-Cycles > Subject: Re: Sporty Shaftie. > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > > Sporty Shaftie anyone? > > I'll see you that, and raise you a Rocket III. > > Fish. > guess it's not quite so "sporty", tho > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 11:21:50 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:21:40 EDT Subject: Re: Sporty Shaftie. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/14/2004 11:03:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: > Wonder how heavy it will be Already sent the information. "Fueled and road ready, is 547 pounds" (BMWON, July 04) (BMWMOA member for 25 yrs.) The rear suspension "Paralever" eliminates rear suspension "jacking" making it act more like a chain then a shaft. And the front suspension "Duolever" should be superior to a sliding fork, its precursors already are. > and of-course ABS integrated brakes...good > or bad? Just IMO here. BAD, useless, crap. But I have already "talked" about my feelings on antilock bikes. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 11:45:11 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Sporty Shaftie. Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:45:06 -0400 To: DC Cycles The scary thing is that the Rocket III might be a bit cheaper. Maybe -- anyone know what the MSRPs on these beasts are? On Jul 14, 2004, at 10:58 AM, Fish Flowers wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > >> Sporty Shaftie anyone? > > I'll see you that, and raise you a Rocket III. > > Fish. > guess it's not quite so "sporty", tho > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 12:09:47 2004 Subject: Battery Over the Web Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:09:18 -0400 From: "Morrison, Brian" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-WSS-ID: 6CEB85257820434-01-01 FYI - Bought a new battery last week from http://cyclejuice.com/. It seemed pretty cheap, and free shipping. A friend reports that he did a comparison with Bob's BMW on his battery, and found that cyclejuice was only $3 cheaper. (Probably about the cost of disposal fee). Ergo, not worth it in his case. That said, I was happy with them - quick shipping (3 days or so), soundly packed, no wrinkles. There is still the problem of disposal of the old battery though, but I think I can get an auto parts store to take it. So if the price is good on your particular battery, I say go ahead. Brian ------------------------------------------------------------ NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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YMMV. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 16:43:24 2004 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 04:58:42 -0400 From: Skip To: Gary Foreman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Anyone have an old helmet they are going to toss? I've got an old bell star two that either needs to go back to bell for credit towards another helmet, or need to find the trash... also too lazy to ship... I'm in Sterling. want to meet up? Gary Foreman wrote: > > I'm looking for a few Full Face helmets that are soon to be tossed, just to > try some paint jobs on. I will be tossing them too :-) > > Somehow I can't bring myself to practice on my Arai :-) > > I'll pay shipping. > > Gary From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 18:47:37 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:45:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Squids revving There is a new breed of Squid upon us in Manassas. They have nice bikes, nice jackets and helmets, occasionally boots but generally jeans and sneakers. And they rev their bikes constantly. Slowing down, at lights, in parking lots, whatever. What's the deal? They trying to compete with the cruisers? Trying to keep the bike running? Show how ANNOYING their slip on is? vroo-vroom-VROOM! ga-ga-ga-ga-ga-burbleburbleburbleburble-VROOM! Fill me in here. (my slip-on only makes beautiful music so ignore it) Oh, and I missed the rain commuting home. Looked like death riding in overhead, but not a drop fell on me. To listen to the weather news, you would think I'd never make it home. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 19:43:47 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Squids revving Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:43:33 -0400 To: DC Cycles I rode with a few squids like that on Saturday in western MD. Lots of wheelies, lots of revving at stops. And fast into corners, but slow out. Luckily the group adjusted so that the guys who brake in the middle of corners stayed in back. I'd rather not ride with some of them again. Unsafe passes, way too fast on straights (some of them spent a bit of time on the wrong side of 100 mph) -- according to some of them, the best bet is to run from cops (sheesh). I must be getting old. On Jul 14, 2004, at 6:45 PM, Troutman wrote: > There is a new breed of Squid upon us in Manassas. They have nice > bikes, nice jackets and helmets, occasionally boots but generally > jeans and sneakers. And they rev their bikes constantly. Slowing > down, at lights, in parking lots, whatever. What's the deal? They > trying to compete with the cruisers? Trying to keep the bike running? > Show how ANNOYING their slip on is? > > vroo-vroom-VROOM! ga-ga-ga-ga-ga-burbleburbleburbleburble-VROOM! > > Fill me in here. > > (my slip-on only makes beautiful music so ignore it) > > Oh, and I missed the rain commuting home. Looked like death riding in > overhead, but not a drop fell on me. To listen to the weather news, > you would think I'd never make it home. > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 19:49:39 2004 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Track Day was a blast Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:53:36 -0400 Weather played games with us all day, but we got 6 good runs in. http://gwfweb.com/cycles/040712/gwfrace2.jpg Me on the silver '04 Gixxer Gary Foreman From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 20:01:00 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:00:44 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Glenn Dysart CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sporty Shaftie. Glenn Dysart wrote: > Never been a fan of Beemers but I gotta admit that's a > fine looking machine. I always kinda liked the R-bikes, but never cared for the old K-bike "flying brick" engine layout. It always seemed to me that they stuck the engine in there backwards (cylinder heads pointing down when on sidestand). Apparently they've fixed that with a new, transverse, inline 4. I like it, I really like it. And apparently it's got a new tranny/final drive, which weren't really all that stout on previous models. BMW's once-vaunted reliability reputation took a serious beating the past few years. Maybe they've turned things around. Those pics sure make it look better than the black/white profile shot I saw in MCN. Not bad at all... Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 21:28:19 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Squids revving Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:28:20 -0400 You must have a stock exhaust... :-D The best is dropping a couple gears and letting it rip while going under an underpass. Rob "Loves his Staintune V4 growl" Sharp On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:45:37 -0400, Troutman wrote > There is a new breed of Squid upon us in Manassas. They have nice > bikes, nice jackets and helmets, occasionally boots but generally > jeans and sneakers. And they rev their bikes constantly. Slowing > down, at lights, in parking lots, whatever. What's the deal? They > trying to compete with the cruisers? Trying to keep the bike > running? Show how ANNOYING their slip on is? > > vroo-vroom-VROOM! ga-ga-ga-ga-ga-burbleburbleburbleburble-VROOM! > > Fill me in here. > > (my slip-on only makes beautiful music so ignore it) > > Oh, and I missed the rain commuting home. Looked like death riding > in overhead, but not a drop fell on me. To listen to the weather > news, you would think I'd never make it home. > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > - Jimmy Buffett -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 21:40:45 2004 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:38:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: More on Janklow Unbelievable. http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_196071406.html "Magistrate Rules Janklow Was On Duty During Accident Jul 14, 2004 6:11 am US/Central Sioux Falls, S.D. (AP) Former U.S. Rep. Bill Janklow was on duty when he caused a fatal accident last summer, so taxpayers should pay any civil damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, according to a court ruling Tuesday. U.S. Magistrate Arthur Boylan sided with U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger's conclusion that Janklow, 64, was on official business Aug. 16 when he sped through a stop sign near Trent and collided with motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minn. Boylan concluded that the federal government, not Janklow, should be listed as the defendant in the lawsuit filed by Scott's mother, sister, son and daughter. " _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 14 21:42:16 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: More on Janklow Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:42:09 -0400 If there is any justice in the world he will get ran over by a diplomat. :) -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 9:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: More on Janklow Unbelievable. http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_196071406.html "Magistrate Rules Janklow Was On Duty During Accident Jul 14, 2004 6:11 am US/Central Sioux Falls, S.D. (AP) Former U.S. Rep. Bill Janklow was on duty when he caused a fatal accident last summer, so taxpayers should pay any civil damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, according to a court ruling Tuesday. U.S. Magistrate Arthur Boylan sided with U.S. Attorney Tom Heffelfinger's conclusion that Janklow, 64, was on official business Aug. 16 when he sped through a stop sign near Trent and collided with motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minn. Boylan concluded that the federal government, not Janklow, should be listed as the defendant in the lawsuit filed by Scott's mother, sister, son and daughter. " _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 12:27:34 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Hatfield McCoy trips? Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:30:47 -0400 Here is a page of pics, vids, and write-ups of our trip last time. Good times. http://mplynch.com/hatfield.htm Mike -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 6/30/2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Hatfield McCoy trips? cool. i think it's been 7 years since an organized overnight dc-cycles trip has taken off. as i know nothing about the trail system, i'll leave the planning to others. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > DC Cycles to Hatfield McCoy? I'm game. > > Glenn > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > if it's worth it, then let's plan an overnighter.... > > > > > > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > A place I've been wanting to go... You'd be real > > hard > > > pressed to make a day trip out of it considering > > its > > > close to Charleston, WV. Mapquest shows it just > > shy > > > of 380 miles from my house. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > how about a weekday trip? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > tg (also w/ xr400) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Lister Lynch wrote: > > > > > Just came back from my second trip to the > > Hatfield > > > > McCoy > > > > > trail system in WV > > > > > so far this year and can't wait to go back > > again. > > > > A > > > > > bunch of people on this > > > > > board have off-road bikes too and I thought > > that > > > > if > > > > > anyone was going out > > > > > there, give a shout. I'll go again in a > > > > heartbeat. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 16:13:28 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: More on Janklow Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:13:28 -0400 To: DC Cycles That is absolutely insane. I have nothing to say. Just wow. On Jul 14, 2004, at 9:38 PM, Troutman wrote: > Unbelievable. > > http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_196071406.html > > "Magistrate Rules Janklow Was On Duty During Accident > > Jul 14, 2004 6:11 am US/Central > Sioux Falls, S.D. (AP) Former U.S. Rep. Bill Janklow was on duty when > he caused a fatal accident last summer, so taxpayers should pay any > civil damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, according to a court ruling > Tuesday. > > U.S. Magistrate Arthur Boylan sided with U.S. Attorney Tom > Heffelfinger's conclusion that Janklow, 64, was on official business > Aug. 16 when he sped through a stop sign near Trent and collided with > motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minn. > > Boylan concluded that the federal government, not Janklow, should be > listed as the defendant in the lawsuit filed by Scott's mother, > sister, son and daughter. " > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 16:26:10 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:25:54 -0400 From: Steve Goldenberg To: DC Cycles Subject: Buying a bike while living in DC Hello Everyone, I'm new to the list and I look forward to participating. I'm buying my first bike and I've found the one I want - a 2002 Suzuki SV650. . It's the right price, right model and right color; I'm in love. However insuring it in DC is insanely expensive! I have a friend who lives in DC and has a DC motorcycle license but he keeps his bike in Maryland for 6 months a year and thus uses Maryland registration and Maryland insurance. I spoke with someone on the phone at the MD Vehicle Adminsitration and she said that I could do this as long as I have an address to use in MD. I have a friend who has given me permission to use her address and to store the bike for 1/2 the year but I'm a little wary of making the plunge without knowing for sure. Have any of you gone through this? I'd love to know if I can in fact register in MD if I live (and have my license) in DC. I look forward to hearing from you... -Steve Goldenberg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 16:29:35 2004 Subject: RE: More on Janklow Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:29:10 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: I was going to lurk for a few days and then send out an introduction, but I *HAVE* to put my two cents in here... (introduction will come soon) I want the same judge when I sue the state because it's their roads that are wearing out my tires! :P --smthng -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Miller [mailto:freecat@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 4:13 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: More on Janklow That is absolutely insane. I have nothing to say. Just wow. On Jul 14, 2004, at 9:38 PM, Troutman wrote: > Unbelievable. > > http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_196071406.html > > "Magistrate Rules Janklow Was On Duty During Accident > > Jul 14, 2004 6:11 am US/Central > Sioux Falls, S.D. (AP) Former U.S. Rep. Bill Janklow was on duty when > he caused a fatal accident last summer, so taxpayers should pay any > civil damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, according to a court ruling > Tuesday. > > U.S. Magistrate Arthur Boylan sided with U.S. Attorney Tom > Heffelfinger's conclusion that Janklow, 64, was on official business > Aug. 16 when he sped through a stop sign near Trent and collided with > motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minn. > > Boylan concluded that the federal government, not Janklow, should be > listed as the defendant in the lawsuit filed by Scott's mother, > sister, son and daughter. " > > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > NMA - http://www.motorists.org > > "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." > - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 16:32:10 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:31:57 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC X-AOL-IP: 65.86.98.162 X-AOL-Language: english Steve, Welcome to the list. I live in downtown DC and curently have my registration and insurance listed at my sisters house in Manassas, VA. It stays in my apartment buildings parking garage year round with no problems. As long as you have a valid address to register it at and receive mail, go for it. Scooter (DC resident, PA license, VA registration :-)) In a message dated 7/15/2004 4:25:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steve Goldenberg writes: >Hello Everyone, > >I'm new to the list and I look forward to participating. I'm buying my >first bike and I've found the one I want - a 2002 Suzuki SV650. . It's >the right price, right model and right color; I'm in love. However >insuring it in DC is insanely expensive! I have a friend who lives in >DC and has a DC motorcycle license but he keeps his bike in Maryland >for 6 months a year and thus uses Maryland registration and Maryland >insurance. > >I spoke with someone on the phone at the MD Vehicle Adminsitration and >she said that I could do this as long as I have an address to use in >MD. I have a friend who has given me permission to use her address and >to store the bike for 1/2 the year but I'm a little wary of making the >plunge without knowing for sure. Have any of you gone through this? >I'd love to know if I can in fact register in MD if I live (and have >my license) in DC. > >I look forward to hearing from you... > >-Steve Goldenberg > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 16:37:55 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:37:48 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Do you plan on riding year round? If so, just register in DC. They need the money. Seriously, there are only a hand full of days each year that fall in my 'no ride' zone. It doesn't stay below freezing very long, and we don't get much snow, but they overcoat the roads with sand which is a big PITA, at least in the 'burbs. Welcome to the list. Hope you like guns, WD-40 and helmet laws. At 04:25 PM 7/15/2004, Steve Goldenberg wrote: >I spoke with someone on the phone at the MD Vehicle Adminsitration and >she said that I could do this as long as I have an address to use in >MD. I have a friend who has given me permission to use her address and >to store the bike for 1/2 the year but I'm a little wary of making the >plunge without knowing for sure. Have any of you gone through this? >I'd love to know if I can in fact register in MD if I live (and have >my license) in DC. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 16:38:41 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:38:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Welcome and congrats. The SV650 doesn't have too much (if any, really) in the way of body plastics or fairing. That's a good thing. Have you thought about a bike that's cheaper-to-insure (and potentially cheaper to drop, scrape, smash, or crash) than a 2-year-old SV650, though? If your heart is set on that bike, try talking to Markel Insurance -- http://www.bike-line.com -- they specialize in insuring us DC bikers. -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "Yeah, it's gone over 3 times in its first 1200 miles" Seca II Steve Goldenberg wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I'm new to the list and I look forward to participating. I'm buying my > first bike and I've found the one I want - a 2002 Suzuki SV650. . It's > the right price, right model and right color; I'm in love. However > insuring it in DC is insanely expensive! I have a friend who lives in > DC and has a DC motorcycle license but he keeps his bike in Maryland > for 6 months a year and thus uses Maryland registration and Maryland > insurance. > > I spoke with someone on the phone at the MD Vehicle Adminsitration and > she said that I could do this as long as I have an address to use in > MD. I have a friend who has given me permission to use her address and > to store the bike for 1/2 the year but I'm a little wary of making the > plunge without knowing for sure. Have any of you gone through this? > I'd love to know if I can in fact register in MD if I live (and have > my license) in DC. > > I look forward to hearing from you... > > -Steve Goldenberg > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 16:45:02 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:44:50 -0400 From: Sunil Doshi To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Hey Steve, I'm assuming you can probably get away with this as long as the bike is stored in a place that isn't too public while it's in DC. If someone (civilian or cop) notices a MD registered bike on the same street, week after week, they may want to look into it. On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:25:54 -0400, Steve Goldenberg wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I'm new to the list and I look forward to participating. I'm buying my > first bike and I've found the one I want - a 2002 Suzuki SV650. . It's > the right price, right model and right color; I'm in love. However > insuring it in DC is insanely expensive! I have a friend who lives in > DC and has a DC motorcycle license but he keeps his bike in Maryland > for 6 months a year and thus uses Maryland registration and Maryland > insurance. > > I spoke with someone on the phone at the MD Vehicle Adminsitration and > she said that I could do this as long as I have an address to use in > MD. I have a friend who has given me permission to use her address and > to store the bike for 1/2 the year but I'm a little wary of making the > plunge without knowing for sure. Have any of you gone through this? > I'd love to know if I can in fact register in MD if I live (and have > my license) in DC. > > I look forward to hearing from you... > > -Steve Goldenberg > > -- sunil http://widepipe.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 17:09:30 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:09:27 -0400 To: Stephen Miller , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More on Janklow Yeah. I had no idea our taxes were being spent to pay idiots to drive like maniacs and kill people. I thought Senators were paid to legislate, not murder. I guess they found "road hazard" in the job description somewhere... -- Mike B. At 04:13 PM 7/15/04 -0400, Stephen Miller wrote: >That is absolutely insane. I have nothing to say. Just wow. > >On Jul 14, 2004, at 9:38 PM, Troutman wrote: > >> Unbelievable. >> >> http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_196071406.html >> >> "Magistrate Rules Janklow Was On Duty During Accident >> >> Jul 14, 2004 6:11 am US/Central >> Sioux Falls, S.D. (AP) Former U.S. Rep. Bill Janklow was on duty when >> he caused a fatal accident last summer, so taxpayers should pay any >> civil damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, according to a court ruling >> Tuesday. >> >> U.S. Magistrate Arthur Boylan sided with U.S. Attorney Tom >> Heffelfinger's conclusion that Janklow, 64, was on official business >> Aug. 16 when he sped through a stop sign near Trent and collided with >> motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minn. >> >> Boylan concluded that the federal government, not Janklow, should be >> listed as the defendant in the lawsuit filed by Scott's mother, >> sister, son and daughter. " >> >> >> _____________________________________ >> Mike Troutman >> mike@XXXXXX >> http://www.troutman.org/vfr >> >> '97 Honda VFR 750 >> AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ >> NMA - http://www.motorists.org >> >> "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." >> - Jimmy Buffett > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 17:27:31 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:27:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Troutman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC -----Original Message----- From: Troutman Do you plan on riding year round? If so, just register in DC. They need the money. Seriously, there are only a hand full of days each year that fall in my 'no ride' zone. It doesn't stay below freezing very long, and we don't get much snow, but they overcoat the roads with sand which is a big PITA, at least in the 'burbs. Welcome to the list. Hope you like guns, WD-40 and helmet laws. ----- Heck, register it in MD, they're the ones that need the $$$! :) Registration fees in Maryland were substantially hiked as of 1 July, making DC look cheap by comparison. Lawsy, $97 per annum for a scoot, in DC it's "only" $52. http://www.mva.state.md.us/VehicleServ/REG/fees.htm I've contemplated off-site registration and garaging from time to time, but the PITA factor more than outweighed any insurance savings for year-round riding. (As Mike intimates, even in Jan. and Feb. there are usually days eligible for "pleasure" rides around here.) Shop around for insurance if you're getting jacked thru the roof. I find Markel's rates pretty good. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 17:35:39 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:35:27 -0400 > Heck, register it in MD, they're the ones that need the $$$! > :) Registration fees in Maryland were substantially hiked as > of 1 July, making DC look cheap by comparison. Lawsy, $97 > per annum for a scoot, in DC it's "only" $52. Only $27 in Virginny. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 17:38:53 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC Bill would limit speed cams Musta slipped under the DC-Cycles, um, radar. Or maybe y'all limit your newspaper reading to that "other" paper in town. :) Anyhoo, Councilmember Schwartz wants to deep-six the speed cam program, except in high-pedestrian areas. (An interesting tactic, since Williams, Ramsey, et al. claim that pedestrian safety as the primary rationale for automated enforcement. Schwartz is calling their bluff.) http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040713-095520-3834r.htm Bill would limit speed cameras By S.A. Miller THE WASHINGTON TIMES D.C. Council member Carol Schwartz yesterday introduced a bill that would limit the use of speed cameras to areas with heavy pedestrian traffic, effectively barring them from the highways, where they have raked in the most money. "There are a lot of cameras in this city that are not about safety, they are about revenue," said Mrs. Schwartz, at-large Republican. "[T]oo many of these cameras are placed in areas without high volumes of pedestrian traffic, such as the Anacostia Freeway, the Third Street Tunnel and the 2800 block of New York Avenue [NE]," she said. The Washington Times reported last month that 2800 block of New York Avenue NE in May was the cameras' most lucrative site. The outbound roadway )B— a six-lane, divided highway between two service roads — accounted for 10,868 speed-camera citations, more than 17 percent of the tickets issued that month, according to Metropolitan Police statistics. At the automated traffic-enforcement program's minimum fine )B— $30 — the New York Avenue zone generated at least $326,040 in May. Also in May, cameras on a stretch of the Anacostia Freeway south of Pennsylvania Avenue generated 7,045 citations, with fines totaling at least $211,350, and those at the freeway's 8.2-mile marker generated 6,783 citations and fines totaling at least $203,490, according to police statistics. ... Meanwhile, the District collected more than $2 million in speed-camera citations for the third consecutive month in May, bringing to more than $51 million the total revenue produced by the program since its inception in 2001. "The [Metropolitan Police Department] steadfastly maintains the intent of the cameras is not to raise revenue, but to make our streets safer," Mrs. Schwartz told her colleagues when she introduced her bill yesterday. "Well, I don't buy it, and I hope you don't continue to as well." ... The District has seven speed cameras )B— six mounted in cruisers and one stationary camera mounted on a pole in the 600 block of Florida Avenue NE near Gallaudet University. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 17:42:58 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:42:45 -0400 Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams Strike a blow for civil liberties! May the SCHWARTZ be with you! -Sean Paul Wilson wrote: > Musta slipped under the DC-Cycles, um, radar. Or maybe y'all limit your newspaper reading to that "other" paper in town. :) Anyhoo, Councilmember Schwartz wants to deep-six the speed cam program, except in high-pedestrian areas. (An interesting tactic, since Williams, Ramsey, et al. claim that pedestrian safety as the primary rationale for automated enforcement. Schwartz is calling their bluff.) > > http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040713-095520-3834r.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 17:43:01 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 14:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Michael Jordan , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Buying a bike while living in DC -----Original Message----- From: Michael Jordan > Heck, register it in MD, they're the ones that need the $$$! > :) Registration fees in Maryland were substantially hiked as > of 1 July, making DC look cheap by comparison. Lawsy, $97 > per annum for a scoot, in DC it's "only" $52. Only $27 in Virginny. Michael J. ---------- No annual veehickle tax, annual veehickle tax sticker, jackbooted county veehickle tax goons sniffing around and other BS in DC and Md., though. Besides the original poster didn't ask about Va. Is it still $20 a year just for the sticker? Used to pay that in Charlottesville, for a crapulent old car. I think the sticker fee was more than the tax itself. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 18:02:05 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I read it. It appers to me that it's about REVENUE and safety. If some of the best revenue generating places are also in the top 50 most dangerous, then the goal has been met. They mentioned the camera on a pole near Gallaudet University, I wonder if that might be a good example of high revenue generation that might also have quite a few pedestrians around. It's a good story for the Times, it made the front page two days in a row. The link is to the first of the stories, the one this morning http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040714-110116-6970r.htm mentioned that the Mayor intends to veto it if it gets to his desk. Leon. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Musta slipped under the DC-Cycles, um, radar. Or > maybe y'all limit your newspaper reading to that > "other" paper in town. > Schwartz is calling their > bluff. > > http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040713-095520-3834r.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 18:03:46 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:03:48 -0400 To: "Michael Jordan" , "'DC Cycles'" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Buying a bike while living in DC At 05:35 PM 7/15/04 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote: >> Heck, register it in MD, they're the ones that need the $$$! >> :) Registration fees in Maryland were substantially hiked as >> of 1 July, making DC look cheap by comparison. Lawsy, $97 >> per annum for a scoot, in DC it's "only" $52. > >Only $27 in Virginny. For registration maybe, but then you have personal property tax, city stickers and inspection fees, right? Which area is cheaper probably depends on how much the vehicle is worth. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 18:54:05 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman I read it. It appers to me that it's about REVENUE and safety. If some of the best revenue generating places are also in the top 50 most dangerous, then the goal has been met. They mentioned the camera on a pole near Gallaudet University, I wonder if that might be a good example of high revenue generation that might also have quite a few pedestrians around. ---- Quite a few pedestrians who can't hear very well, one suspects. One thing unmentioned in the article is the complete lack of a proven deterrent effect if safety is indeed Job One, as the MPD and Williams claim. Article provides no statistics about how average speeds have come down at these trouble spots. With sufficiently deep pockets a Road Royal can keep speeding (and paying) ad infinitum if automated enforcement is highly random. Ticket the same Road Royal with a real live officer in a cruiser and sooner or later with enough convictions the RR will be in front of a judge, pleading not to have his license revoked. I've yet to see any evidence that automated speed enforcement is doing anything to chastise the road menaces. I read somewhere that in New Zealand 1 million speed cam citations were issued last year, in a country of 4 million people. Yep, one ticket for every four people. Now, NZers strike me as both intelligent and generally law-abiding. You'd think they'd just slow down, causing citations to plummet. But apparently they don't. So much for deterrent value, even where the system is snaring people at high rates. Americans would not submit to ubiquitous speed cams, I'd like to think. If the safety mavens are to be taken at face value, as Mayor's spokesman Tony Bullock said in the article, if speeding is wrong, it's wrong *everywhere* all the time. So, if that's the goal, you'd eventually put up speed cams out the wazoo. Put up enough cams that they'd put themselves out of business, because everyone would just start slowing down everywhere. But the cynic in me says "rubbish." It's about putting up just a handful of speed cams in areas where people tend to think the speed limit is too low and drive accordingly (like *50* on I-295!) or the Third St Tunnel (40 mph) and raking in the dough. Put up just enough to provide a revenue stream, but not so many that they are ubiquitous and become so much of a nuisance that people really do get tired of paying and slow down. So my suggestion is put your money where your mouth is. Propose putting the damn things on every block, Big Brother style. All speeding, everywhere, is wrong after all, saith the Tone-ster. But, they *know* this is a non-starter politically, which gets us back to the presumption this is about revenue, not safety. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 19:37:56 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: More on Janklow To: Mike Bartman , Stephen Miller , DC Cycles at least the family will be compensated. many of you seem to be missing that point. there's is perhaps also the possibility that janklow can be forced to indemnify the state for the damages? --- Mike Bartman wrote: > Yeah. I had no idea our taxes were being spent to pay > idiots to drive like > maniacs and kill people. I thought Senators were paid to > legislate, not > murder. I guess they found "road hazard" in the job > description somewhere... > > -- Mike B. > > At 04:13 PM 7/15/04 -0400, Stephen Miller wrote: > >That is absolutely insane. I have nothing to say. Just > wow. > > > >On Jul 14, 2004, at 9:38 PM, Troutman wrote: > > > >> Unbelievable. > >> > >> http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_196071406.html > >> > >> "Magistrate Rules Janklow Was On Duty During Accident > >> > >> Jul 14, 2004 6:11 am US/Central > >> Sioux Falls, S.D. (AP) Former U.S. Rep. Bill Janklow > was on duty when > >> he caused a fatal accident last summer, so taxpayers > should pay any > >> civil damages in a wrongful death lawsuit, according > to a court ruling > >> Tuesday. > >> > >> U.S. Magistrate Arthur Boylan sided with U.S. Attorney > Tom > >> Heffelfinger's conclusion that Janklow, 64, was on > official business > >> Aug. 16 when he sped through a stop sign near Trent > and collided with > >> motorcyclist Randy Scott, 55, of Hardwick, Minn. > >> > >> Boylan concluded that the federal government, not > Janklow, should be > >> listed as the defendant in the lawsuit filed by > Scott's mother, > >> sister, son and daughter. " > >> > >> > >> _____________________________________ > >> Mike Troutman > >> mike@XXXXXX > >> http://www.troutman.org/vfr > >> > >> '97 Honda VFR 750 > >> AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ > >> NMA - http://www.motorists.org > >> > >> "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live > while I'm dead." > >> - Jimmy Buffett > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 20:38:26 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:35:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams At 03:53 PM 7/15/04 -0700, Paul Wilson wrote: >So my suggestion is put your money where your mouth is. Propose putting the damn things on every block, Big Brother style. All speeding, everywhere, is wrong after all, saith the Tone-ster. But, they *know* this is a non-starter politically, which gets us back to the presumption this is about revenue, not safety. I agree with you. Either there's interest in controlling speeding, or there isn't. If there is, it should be done by the most effective means available (which isn't traffic cameras). If there isn't, no enforcement should be done and the laws should be repealed or modified as required to get the law in line with the desires of society. There are any number of alternative plans to what we have now, both safer and less safe, depending on what the intent is. It's not a political non-starter though. If approached correctly, you could end up with traffic cams everywhere, no traffic cams at all, speed limits made more reasonable, people obeying the laws for the most part (and those that don't, wishing they had) or a number of other outcomes. I disagree that the American public wouldn't stand for any of the available options, including the Big Brotherish ones. I used to believe otherwise, but I've been paying attention as America has gone from rugged independence to sheephood. As for New Zealand, I agree about your assessment of their general attitudes, so I must conclude that they've only set up half of the enforcement equation. To get people obeying the law in large numbers you need two things: 1) a high chance of getting caught (they apparently have that now) and 2) a penalty that isn't tolerable (that's probably the part they are missing). For instance, if a ticket for speeding costs you less than a tank of gas, it won't have much deterrent value unless escape is impossible, and even then some will consider it worth it from time to time. If a ticket costs you 10% of whatever you made last year, your license for a long time, or your freedom for a while, it's likely to be respected, no matter what income level a person is at. Tying fines to ability to pay them, or using jail time (with no "country club" prisons or part-time cell habitation) would be very "egalitarian", as rich people would get hit as hard, or harder, than poor people, relatively speaking, rather than being able to pay the average fine without even noticing as we have it today. That "egalitarian" aspect is how you make it politically palatable. The government would love it, both from a revenue standpoint and a bragging rights at the elections standpoint ("safer streets", "laws being respected", "now have a more civilized society", etc.), not to mention the increase in power over the masses. I can see it happening, even here. Not in, say, Montana, but here, yes. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 20:38:29 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:38:25 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Stephen Miller , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More on Janklow At 04:37 PM 7/15/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >at least the family will be compensated. many of you seem >to be missing that point. They'd have been compensated anyway. Janklow had to have insurance on his car, same as anyone else. The victim had insurance as well, I'm sure. Janklow also has a fair bit of wealth of his own that could have been accessed. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 20:45:32 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:45:29 -0400 From: Steve Goldenberg To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC I got an insurance quote of $700 in DC, $507 in Va and $350 in MD - strange how much a few miles difference makes. The VA and MD quotes are from Progressive and the DC quote is from Geico. bike-line.com was over $1,000 for all of them... I have another question - I'm talking to a woman who would be selling me the bike. I went and saw it and it looks great but she's giving me a hard time about inspection - she got it inspected a year ago and says that she shouldn't have to do it again. I disgreed and fianlly got her to so I'm supposed to meet her tomorrow at the inspection location to buy it from her. If it fails and needs $200 in wheels/valves/pixie dust or whatever, should she pay for it or should I? Is it standard for a used bike to be sold without a recent inspection? I admit that I don't know anything about this so I'm not sure if I'm being over cautious or not cautious enough. The bike has 7,000 miles and has never had new brakes, valves, tires or a new chain. It has had oil changes - is that ok, or should some of those have been changed? Thank you all for your help, I truly appreciate it... -Steve G From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 21:15:28 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:15:32 -0400 To: Steve Goldenberg , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC At 08:45 PM 7/15/04 -0400, Steve Goldenberg wrote: >I got an insurance quote of $700 in DC, $507 in Va and $350 in MD - >strange how much a few miles difference makes. The VA and MD quotes >are from Progressive and the DC quote is from Geico. bike-line.com was >over $1,000 for all of them... It will actually vary with smaller areas than states in many cases. They base the premiums on your record and on their loss rates for the area you are living/garaging it in. I'd guess the rates for an address in Cheverly and one out in Cumberland would be very different, though both are "Maryland". >I have another question - I'm talking to a woman who would be selling >me the bike. I went and saw it and it looks great but she's giving me >a hard time about inspection - she got it inspected a year ago and >says that she shouldn't have to do it again. I disgreed and fianlly >got her to so I'm supposed to meet her tomorrow at the inspection >location to buy it from her. If it fails and needs $200 in >wheels/valves/pixie dust or whatever, should she pay for it or should >I? Is it standard for a used bike to be sold without a recent >inspection? The details of the transaction are for the two of you to negotiate. Depending on who's more motivated, it could go either way. The state is likely to insist on some sort of inspection, but the state isn't going to care who gets it done or who pays. I'd want the bike looked at by someone competent to assess its condition (if not me, a friend or a mechanic). I'd expect to arrange that, not the seller (I want to be able to believe the results...). If it passes an inspection, that's a nice indicator of general condition, but could easily miss expensive items...inspections are concerned with safety, not what is nearing end-of-life on the bike that isn't safety related (a bike with a non-starting motor is pretty safe! ;-) As for what's customary, that varies. One plan I've heard of, and used with cars myself, is that the seller gets the inspection done. If it passes, the buyer buys the vehicle, and reimburses the seller for the cost of the inspection. If it fails, the seller pays the inspection fee, and the deal gets re-negotiated...perhaps the sale is off, perhaps the price changes to account for the required fixes, perhaps the price stays the same but the seller takes care of repairs first and gets it re-inspected until it passes. I've never had a vehicle not pass inspection, so the contingencies never came up, but those are all options. The main reason for this setup is that it tells the buyer how confident the seller is that the vehicle will pass, as the buyer isn't assuming any risk or cost unless the vehicle passes, and presumably they've already decided to buy it if it does. >I admit that I don't know anything about this so I'm not sure if I'm >being over cautious or not cautious enough. The bike has 7,000 miles >and has never had new brakes, valves, tires or a new chain. It has had >oil changes - is that ok, or should some of those have been changed? >Thank you all for your help, I truly appreciate it... 7,000 ordinary miles shouldn't put much wear on a bike. Mine has just over 5000 on it since last September and is just broken in good. Brakes should last longer than that, unless they've been really heavily used, or abused, as should valves and the chain. If it has disc brakes, look at the rotor(s) condition and the pad thickness to get an idea of life left. Telling more would take at least a test ride (for instance, the rotors may be clean, the pads thick, but when you apply the brakes at moderate speed the bike shakes like a wet dog...that's a problem). Tires may or may not be nearing EOL, depending on what kind they are. Cruiser tires usually last 10,000 to 15,000 at least (or so I'm told...mine aren't noticeably worn after 5000 miles), while softer, grippier sport bike tires wear out much sooner. Burnouts, hard riding, and sliding stops all shorten tire life. Check the tread depth, look at the wear patterns, and you can see how close they are to needing replacement. If the bike's been sitting since that last inspection without getting ridden much, you might want to consider getting routine maintenance done on it ASAP. Cable adjustments, bleed the brakes, or change the fluid entirely, change the oil in the engine and transmission, check the plug gap and condition, tension the chain, check the battery, etc.. The owner's manual will have a bunch of items to check, and a shop manual should have them all. Also check the tires carefully for cracks in the sidewalls, or other signs of age. Miles put wear on a bike, but idleness causes decay too. Good luck! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 21:19:33 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:16:54 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC (Inspection) At 08:45 PM 7/15/2004, Steve Goldenberg wrote: >I admit that I don't know anything about this so I'm not sure if I'm >being over cautious or not cautious enough. The bike has 7,000 miles >and has never had new brakes, valves, tires or a new chain. It has had >oil changes - is that ok, or should some of those have been changed? >Thank you all for your help, I truly appreciate it... Bring one of us with you to check out the bike. Name the time and place, someone will say yes. If it needs repairs, she should pay if you didn't know about them. Don't expect inspection to turn up anything though - most area inspections are 'toot the horn, check the high beam and sign here' type inspections. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 21:38:24 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:38:13 EDT Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX It's Yogurt, just plain Yogurt. ;-) Caught that on the news this morning. Hope she pushes it through. Scooter In a message dated 7/15/2004 5:43:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: Strike a blow for civil liberties! May the SCHWARTZ be with you! -Sean Paul Wilson wrote: > Musta slipped under the DC-Cycles, um, radar. Or maybe y'all limit your newspaper reading to that "other" paper in town. :) Anyhoo, Councilmember Schwartz wants to deep-six the speed cam program, except in high-pedestrian areas. (An interesting tactic, since Williams, Ramsey, et al. claim that pedestrian safety as the primary rationale for automated enforcement. Schwartz is calling their bluff.) > > http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040713-095520-3834r.htm Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) AFRA #17 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 22:26:29 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 19:26:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: More on Janklow To: Mike Bartman , Stephen Miller , DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 04:37 PM 7/15/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > >at least the family will be compensated. many of you > seem > >to be missing that point. > > They'd have been compensated anyway. Janklow had to have > insurance on his > car, same as anyone else. you mean like 20k/50k? yeah, they'd be overjoyed collecting policy limits. > The victim had insurance as well, I'm sure. you sure? how? > Janklow also has a fair bit of wealth of his own that > could have been accessed. trusts. bankruptcy. move to florida with o.j. you are a naive mofo aren't you? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 22:40:50 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Steve Goldenberg , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:40:53 -0400 Who pays for the repairs is really up to you and her. At 7k, you probably don't need a new chain, brakes, valve job, ect. It will probably pass fine. I got my 1996 VFR inspected in MD and it passed flying colors. MD is anal about inspections since you only get it once. I agree with Paul, you should probably register in DC where you live. Is all the hassel worth 200 bux a year? For me it isn't. Beside my MD rates go up when you bike in DC gets stolen and knocked over and it goes on the MD books... DC is an expensive place to live :) Rob On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:45:29 -0400, Steve Goldenberg wrote > I got an insurance quote of $700 in DC, $507 in Va and $350 in MD - > strange how much a few miles difference makes. The VA and MD quotes > are from Progressive and the DC quote is from Geico. bike-line.com > was over $1,000 for all of them... > > I have another question - I'm talking to a woman who would be selling > me the bike. I went and saw it and it looks great but she's giving me > a hard time about inspection - she got it inspected a year ago and > says that she shouldn't have to do it again. I disgreed and fianlly > got her to so I'm supposed to meet her tomorrow at the inspection > location to buy it from her. If it fails and needs $200 in > wheels/valves/pixie dust or whatever, should she pay for it or should > I? Is it standard for a used bike to be sold without a recent > inspection? > > I admit that I don't know anything about this so I'm not sure if I'm > being over cautious or not cautious enough. The bike has 7,000 miles > and has never had new brakes, valves, tires or a new chain. It has > had oil changes - is that ok, or should some of those have been changed? > Thank you all for your help, I truly appreciate it... > > -Steve G -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 22:52:31 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:46:28 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , Stephen Miller , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More on Janklow At 07:26 PM 7/15/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >you are a naive mofo aren't you? And you are still a rude mofo. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 15 23:12:12 2004 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: 2001 Honda F4i To: DCcycles Hey, Another new lister coming out of the woodwork here. I've been lurking somewhat for a while just o see what the list is like. I must say it's been amusing and informative, and yes sometimes long winded. Thanks for all the good info and not so good as well. I have a couple of questions at this point in the game. Does anyone have a Honda F4i and how do/don't they like it? What exactly does it mean to have a salvage title? and who was it that had bought a pair of the Icon TiMax Pants? How do you like them I was thinking of buying a pair but was curious to the pros/cons of them. Thanks for all info forthcoming. Ian Schmidt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 06:43:36 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:43:04 -0400 To: DC Cycles It should pass MD inspection with flying colors. Besides, you'll find out how worn the brake pads are, etc. On Jul 15, 2004, at 8:45 PM, Steve Goldenberg wrote: > I got an insurance quote of $700 in DC, $507 in Va and $350 in MD - > strange how much a few miles difference makes. The VA and MD quotes > are from Progressive and the DC quote is from Geico. bike-line.com was > over $1,000 for all of them... > > I have another question - I'm talking to a woman who would be selling > me the bike. I went and saw it and it looks great but she's giving me > a hard time about inspection - she got it inspected a year ago and > says that she shouldn't have to do it again. I disgreed and fianlly > got her to so I'm supposed to meet her tomorrow at the inspection > location to buy it from her. If it fails and needs $200 in > wheels/valves/pixie dust or whatever, should she pay for it or should > I? Is it standard for a used bike to be sold without a recent > inspection? > > I admit that I don't know anything about this so I'm not sure if I'm > being over cautious or not cautious enough. The bike has 7,000 miles > and has never had new brakes, valves, tires or a new chain. It has had > oil changes - is that ok, or should some of those have been changed? > Thank you all for your help, I truly appreciate it... > > -Steve G > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 08:57:34 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Ian Schmidt'" , Subject: RE: 2001 Honda F4i Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:57:30 -0400 I have a 01 Honda F4i. 6000 miles now. The only issue I have with the bike is the CCT (cam chain tensioner). They go bad and make a rattle noise. I've replaced mine twice now although I'm not sure if it needed to the first time. Costs about $50 and an hour or two of labor. The dealers say that its not a problem, but I don't like the noise. Besides that it's a great reliable bike, fun to drive, not to aggressive of a position. The seat is hard for long rides, most people replace them although I haven't. The gas tank is only worth about 150 miles tops, which can be a pain sometimes. I would buy another one if I was looking for a 600 that wasn't for exclusive track duty. -Jim -----Original Message----- From: Ian Schmidt [mailto:schmidtys311@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:12 PM To: DCcycles Subject: 2001 Honda F4i Hey, Another new lister coming out of the woodwork here. I've been lurking somewhat for a while just o see what the list is like. I must say it's been amusing and informative, and yes sometimes long winded. Thanks for all the good info and not so good as well. I have a couple of questions at this point in the game. Does anyone have a Honda F4i and how do/don't they like it? What exactly does it mean to have a salvage title? and who was it that had bought a pair of the Icon TiMax Pants? How do you like them I was thinking of buying a pair but was curious to the pros/cons of them. Thanks for all info forthcoming. Ian Schmidt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 09:16:02 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i To: Ian Schmidt , DCcycles rebuild of a "totaled" bike (from the insurer's perspective), in dubious condition (unless a frame machine is accessible). and, unless the price is way below book value and/or you're going to race it, decent advice is to avoid salvage bikes. resell value is shit. --- Ian Schmidt wrote: > Hey, > Another new lister coming out of the woodwork > here. I've been lurking somewhat for a while just o > see what the list is like. I must say it's been > amusing and informative, and yes sometimes long > winded. Thanks for all the good info and not so good > as well. I have a couple of questions at this point > in the game. Does anyone have a Honda F4i and how > do/don't they like it? What exactly does it mean to > have a salvage title? and who was it that had bought > a pair of the Icon TiMax Pants? How do you like them > I was thinking of buying a pair but was curious to the > pros/cons of them. Thanks for all info forthcoming. > > Ian Schmidt > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 09:18:16 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Steve, > > Welcome to the list. I live in downtown DC and curently have my registration > and insurance listed at my sisters house in Manassas, VA. It stays in my > apartment buildings parking garage year round with no problems. As long as you > have a valid address to register it at and receive mail, go for it. > > Scooter (DC resident, PA license, VA registration :-)) Personally, I would be a bit leery of posting admission to both breaking the law and committing insurance fraud. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 09:20:51 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: More on Janklow To: DC Cycles --- Mike Bartman wrote: > Yeah. I had no idea our taxes were being spent to pay idiots to drive like > maniacs and kill people. I thought Senators were paid to legislate, not > murder. I guess they found "road hazard" in the job description somewhere... There was very little judgment involved here -- the only thing that matters in this determination is whether or not he was going to or coming from an activity of his elected office. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 09:40:29 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 09:40:04 EDT Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC To: pltrgyst@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ahhhh......but they have to find me and prove it was me who sent the message. ;-) I'm not worried though. I told all of this to my insurance guy when I went to get coverage. Presented my PA drivers license, told him I had it registered at my sisters house in VA and live in DC. The insurance bill and card come to my apartment and the registration info goes to her house. He told me that it was fine to do it that way as long as no 2 pieces of information were the same. ie. If I had a DC license and lived in DC, I would have to register the bike and have insurance in DC. And Virginny doesn't care since they get their property taxes from me and I get a new little sticker every year. :-) Scooter In a message dated 7/16/2004 9:18:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pltrgyst@XXXXXX writes: --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Steve, > > Welcome to the list. I live in downtown DC and curently have my registration > and insurance listed at my sisters house in Manassas, VA. It stays in my > apartment buildings parking garage year round with no problems. As long as you > have a valid address to register it at and receive mail, go for it. > > Scooter (DC resident, PA license, VA registration :-)) Personally, I would be a bit leery of posting admission to both breaking the law and committing insurance fraud. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 10:05:21 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:05:12 -0400 Resell value is dookie, but he should be buying it for less to begin with so doesn't it even out? The F4i isn't the best track bike IMO, so a salvaged title is less desirable than other 600s though. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Ian Schmidt , DCcycles > >Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) > decent advice is to avoid salvage bikes. resell value is shit. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 10:15:35 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:16:39 -0400 > > Personally, I would be a bit leery of posting admission to both breaking the > > law and committing insurance fraud. 8;) > From: > Sent: Jul 16 2004 09:40:04 > > Ahhhh......but they have to find me and prove it was me who sent the > message. ;-) I'm not worried though. I told all of this to my insurance guy when > I went to get coverage. Presented my PA drivers license, told him I had it > registered at my sisters house in VA and live in DC. The insurance bill and > card come to my apartment and the registration info goes to her house. He > told me that it was fine to do it that way as long as no 2 pieces of information > were the same. ie. If I had a DC license and lived in DC, I would have to > register the bike and have insurance in DC. And Virginny doesn't care since > they get their property taxes from me and I get a new little sticker every > year. :-) > > Scooter I had two different acquaintences (wouldn't really call them friends) ask me to do this. I said no in both cases. It sounded too close to insurance fraud, and my main concern was, suppose one of them does get into an accident, and is at fault. The insurance company does it's investigation and goes "Hey, you don't live where you said you do! Fraud! We don't have to pay out your claim now." I don't know if that's what would happen or not, but given how they try to pay out as little as possible, that was my main concern. My other concern was if it is Fraud, and I was a participate, would that damage my security clearance (needed for my job). Louis "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 10:22:51 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:22:44 -0400 From: Steve Goldenberg To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC I'm in no way trying to commit fraud. When I spoke with the insurance agent, he said that as long as the bike was stored at the location for at least 6 months of the year then it qualified for the insurance - I don't need to live there, according to him. I also asked the MD VA and they said something similar. I fully plan to store the bike at my friends house for the cold 6 months of the year so it should be fine in the eyes of the insurance company (unless they agent was lying to me). I'll let you know what I find out as I investigate further... -Steve On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:16:39 -0400, Louis Caplan wrote: > > > Personally, I would be a bit leery of posting admission to both breaking the > > > law and committing insurance fraud. 8;) > > > From: > > Sent: Jul 16 2004 09:40:04 > > > > Ahhhh......but they have to find me and prove it was me who sent the > > message. ;-) I'm not worried though. I told all of this to my insurance guy when > > I went to get coverage. Presented my PA drivers license, told him I had it > > registered at my sisters house in VA and live in DC. The insurance bill and > > card come to my apartment and the registration info goes to her house. He > > told me that it was fine to do it that way as long as no 2 pieces of information > > were the same. ie. If I had a DC license and lived in DC, I would have to > > register the bike and have insurance in DC. And Virginny doesn't care since > > they get their property taxes from me and I get a new little sticker every > > year. :-) > > > > Scooter > > I had two different acquaintences (wouldn't really call them friends) ask me to do this. I said no in both cases. It sounded too close to insurance fraud, and my main concern was, suppose one of them does get into an accident, and is at fault. The insurance company does it's investigation and goes "Hey, you don't live where you said you do! Fraud! We don't have to pay out your claim now." I don't know if that's what would happen or not, but given how they try to pay out as little as possible, that was my main concern. My other concern was if it is Fraud, and I was a participate, would that damage my security clearance (needed for my job). > > Louis > > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 10:30:22 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:30:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i To: rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- rich hall wrote: > Resell value is dookie, but he should be buying it for > less to begin with so > doesn't it even out? that was my point. someone who doesn't know what a salvage title is (ahem) might be tricked into paying just under book value and believing he's getting a good deal. instant upside down situation, unless he presses for a significantly reduced purchase price due to title status. > The F4i isn't the best track bike IMO, so a salvaged > title is less desirable > than other 600s though. > > >From: Tom Gimer > >To: Ian Schmidt , DCcycles > > > >Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i > >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 06:15:55 -0700 (PDT) > > > decent advice is to avoid salvage bikes. resell value is > shit. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 10:35:50 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:35:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: More on Janklow -----Original Message----- From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" --- Mike Bartman wrote: > Yeah. I had no idea our taxes were being spent to pay idiots to drive like > maniacs and kill people. I thought Senators were paid to legislate, not > murder. I guess they found "road hazard" in the job description somewhere... There was very little judgment involved here -- the only thing that matters in this determination is whether or not he was going to or coming from an activity of his elected office. -- Larry -------------------- I've been doing a little reading on this subject, always a dangerous pastime for the non-specialist. :) Anyway, Janklow's case appears to follow the doctrine of respondeat superior, go after the "deep pockets" of the employer under the presumption that the employer is liable for the employment-related acts of an employee. In this case no one disputes that Janklow was returning from a string of public appearances and had an aide in his car. Is this sufficiently "employment related"? The rub seems to be that under the federal statute the Scott family cannot seek punitive damages, as they could in state court. OTOH, if Janklow is broke or good at hiding assets, the fact that the federal gov't (us) will pay any damages means the Scott family might have a better chance of collecting. Here's something that might put it all in context. The Center for Individual Freedom call it a case of "what goes around comes around." http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomline/current/guest_commentary/respondeat_superior.htm Much to taxpayers' dismay, the recent revelation that we may get stuck with the bill for the reckless driving of former Rep. Bill Janklow (R-SD) has reaffirmed the age-old adage that what goes around comes around. ... Americans have, of course, scoffed at the notion that we should be held responsible for a congressman's reckless driving, despite the fact that plaintiffs have willingly made the same argument to exploit "deep pockets" for decades under the doctrine of respondeat superior. Like the Federal Tort Claims Act, respondeat superior is based on the commonly accepted theory that an employer should be held liable for any damages resulting from the misdeeds of its employees. Both respondeat superior and the FTCA are limited by the notoriously vague standard of actions occurring "within the scope of the employee's duties," thus leaving courts with great latitude in deciding whether actions like driving between work-related functions are recoverable. Respondeat superior originated with the argument that when an employer asks an employee to perform a risky activity, the employer should pay the costs if any third party injuries result. But over time it has evolved into the public policy doctrine that employers are generally in a better financial position to compensate the victim and spread the costs to the public, i.e., let he who has the deepest pockets pay. Thus, in most jurisdictions it is considered no-fault liability, meaning a plaintiff need not prove the employer acted wrongfully or negligently in hiring the employee, but rather only that the employee's actions were within the scope of that employment. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 10:40:22 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:40:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Santoso Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i To: Tom Gimer , rich hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have bought salved bikes before (1999 Ducati ST4 stolen recovery). But, i came into the purchase knowing that it MUST be purchased much much cheaper than the maket value for a similar bike. Also, I knew that re-selling it would be next to impossible, so, i had in mind of keeping the bike till it turns to dust. Basically, my advice, buy the bike only if its much cheaper than another used F4i and I would consider keeping this bike for a good long while.... Ryan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 10:57:41 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:57:39 -0400 To: Steve Goldenberg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC At 10:22 AM 7/16/04 -0400, Steve Goldenberg wrote: >they said something similar. I fully plan to store the bike at my >friends house for the cold 6 months of the year so it should be fine It's cold 6 months of the year here? Since when? There were a couple of 3 week periods last winter when it was too ugly out to ride, mostly due to slush or ice on the roads, but the rest of the time it was fine if you dressed right. Only needed the heated gloves a couple of times (both times in the mid to low 20s). Yes, the bike got covered in salt a couple of times, but there were days when it was warm enough to wash it (upper 40s) each time, and usually within a day or two. Rode Christmas Day, New Years Day, Valentine's Day, and lots of days between them too...and was actually too warm more than once (overdressed due to cold when I left that got warmer later). Yes, it can get chilly here, but it doesn't last for long...certainly not 6 months. The really chilly (freezing and below) days are usually confined to about 3 months of the year (late Dec, Jan, Feb, early Mar). Get proper gear and you can ride *almost* all the time. Be Leon and you can ride all the time, even when it's snowing... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 11:06:30 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:06:22 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: More on Janklow At 10:35 AM 7/16/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Resulting from the misdeeds of its employees. Both respondeat superior and the FTCA are limited by the notoriously vague standard of actions occurring "within the scope of the employee's duties," thus leaving courts with great latitude in deciding whether actions like driving between work-related functions are recoverable. Driving may have been part of his "duties" (though campaigning is not what he was elected to do...that's on his own time if you ask me), but driving like a maniac certainly isn't. Had he been obeying the law when an accident happened I'd reach a different conclusion than I have in this case. >Respondeat superior originated with the argument that when an employer asks an employee to perform a risky activity, the employer should pay the costs if any third party injuries result. Sounds very reasonable. >But over time it has evolved into the public policy doctrine that employers are generally in a better financial position to compensate the victim and spread the costs to the public, i.e., let he who has the deepest pockets pay. This does not. The one responsible should pay. If the public wants to provide a sort of "insurance" to compensate victims who couldn't recover enough from the responsible party, that's fine, but a separate issue. Any such support should happen only after the responsible party has paid all that they can pay in compensation. It shouldn't happen *instead* of such recompense. Thanks for posting that history info. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 11:09:11 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:09:03 -0400 From: Steve Goldenberg To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Haha! I'm betraying my newbie roots I guess. That's great to know that you can ride almost year-round. I'll definitely invest in the cold-weather gear come fall so that I can keep riding. Thanks for the heads-up... -Steve On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:57:39 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: > At 10:22 AM 7/16/04 -0400, Steve Goldenberg wrote: > > >they said something similar. I fully plan to store the bike at my > >friends house for the cold 6 months of the year so it should be fine > > It's cold 6 months of the year here? Since when? > > There were a couple of 3 week periods last winter when it was too ugly out > to ride, mostly due to slush or ice on the roads, but the rest of the time > it was fine if you dressed right. Only needed the heated gloves a couple > of times (both times in the mid to low 20s). Yes, the bike got covered in > salt a couple of times, but there were days when it was warm enough to wash > it (upper 40s) each time, and usually within a day or two. Rode Christmas > Day, New Years Day, Valentine's Day, and lots of days between them > too...and was actually too warm more than once (overdressed due to cold > when I left that got warmer later). > > Yes, it can get chilly here, but it doesn't last for long...certainly not 6 > months. The really chilly (freezing and below) days are usually confined > to about 3 months of the year (late Dec, Jan, Feb, early Mar). Get proper > gear and you can ride *almost* all the time. Be Leon and you can ride all > the time, even when it's snowing... > > > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 11:11:42 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 08:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: Hatfield McCoy trips? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Great pics, I'm ready to go! Glenn --- Lister Lynch wrote: > Here is a page of pics, vids, and write-ups of our > trip last time. Good > times. > > http://mplynch.com/hatfield.htm > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer > To: Glenn Dysart; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: 6/30/2004 9:05 AM > Subject: Re: Hatfield McCoy trips? > > cool. i think it's been 7 years since an organized > overnight dc-cycles trip has taken off. > > as i know nothing about the trail system, i'll leave > the > planning to others. > > > > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > DC Cycles to Hatfield McCoy? I'm game. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > if it's worth it, then let's plan an > overnighter.... > > > > > > > > > --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > A place I've been wanting to go... You'd be > real > > > hard > > > > pressed to make a day trip out of it > considering > > > its > > > > close to Charleston, WV. Mapquest shows it > just > > > shy > > > > of 380 miles from my house. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > how about a weekday trip? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > tg (also w/ xr400) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Lister Lynch wrote: > > > > > > Just came back from my second trip to the > > > Hatfield > > > > > McCoy > > > > > > trail system in WV > > > > > > so far this year and can't wait to go back > > > again. > > > > > A > > > > > > bunch of people on this > > > > > > board have off-road bikes too and I > thought > > > that > > > > > if > > > > > > anyone was going out > > > > > > there, give a shout. I'll go again in a > > > > > heartbeat. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 11:23:08 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Steve Goldenberg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:23:11 -0400 I don't know about registration but in MD getting a license requires, bills, loan statements,ect for proof of residence. I don't know if you can register a vehicle in the state without a license, but I suspect you can, since it's apparent people on the list do. Probably becuase MD doesn't want to turn down the tax. Personally I think you will quickly find you like riding your bike and it's a pain in the butt to commute to MD to pick up your bike so you can ride it. As for the cold six months of the year thing. I am definetly a fair weather rider and I find times to ride in the winter months all the time. I can understand your reasoning for doing this to save money, but you picked to live in DC (I assume) and you shouldn't try to take advantage of the state of Maryland and it's good people so you can save some money. Unfortunetly while it make be legal according to your research in my eyes it's a dishonest thing to do. I wouldn't trust anything your insurance "tells" you. I would read your um-teen pages insurance binder and see what it says about it. Sorry if I am preaching or being an ass but you asked for our opinions. Rob On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:22:44 -0400, Steve Goldenberg wrote > I'm in no way trying to commit fraud. When I spoke with the insurance > agent, he said that as long as the bike was stored at the location > for at least 6 months of the year then it qualified for the > insurance - I don't need to live there, according to him. I also > asked the MD VA and they said something similar. I fully plan to > store the bike at my friends house for the cold 6 months of the year > so it should be fine in the eyes of the insurance company (unless > they agent was lying to me). I'll let you know what I find out as I > investigate further... > > -Steve > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:16:39 -0400, Louis Caplan > wrote: > > > > Personally, I would be a bit leery of posting admission to both breaking the > > > > law and committing insurance fraud. 8;) > > > > > From: > > > Sent: Jul 16 2004 09:40:04 > > > > > > Ahhhh......but they have to find me and prove it was me who sent the > > > message. ;-) I'm not worried though. I told all of this to my insurance guy when > > > I went to get coverage. Presented my PA drivers license, told him I had it > > > registered at my sisters house in VA and live in DC. The insurance bill and > > > card come to my apartment and the registration info goes to her house. He > > > told me that it was fine to do it that way as long as no 2 pieces of information > > > were the same. ie. If I had a DC license and lived in DC, I would have to > > > register the bike and have insurance in DC. And Virginny doesn't care since > > > they get their property taxes from me and I get a new little sticker every > > > year. :-) > > > > > > Scooter > > > > I had two different acquaintences (wouldn't really call them friends) ask me to do this. I said no in both cases. It sounded too close to insurance fraud, and my main concern was, suppose one of them does get into an accident, and is at fault. The insurance company does it's investigation and goes "Hey, you don't live where you said you do! Fraud! We don't have to pay out your claim now." I don't know if that's what would happen or not, but given how they try to pay out as little as possible, that was my main concern. My other concern was if it is Fraud, and I was a participate, would that damage my security clearance (needed for my job). > > > > Louis > > > > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA > > Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation > > http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm > > > > -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 11:48:40 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 11:48:29 -0400 To: "Rob Sharp" , Steve Goldenberg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC At 11:23 AM 7/16/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >I don't know about registration but in MD getting a license requires, bills, >loan statements,ect for proof of residence. I don't know if you can register >a vehicle in the state without a license, but I suspect you can, since it's >apparent people on the list do. Probably becuase MD doesn't want to turn >down the tax. I've only lived in MD for 24 years now, but the above is really puzzling to me. When I got my MD driver's license I showed up, filled out forms, gave them my old VA license, and took the computerized "written" test. No bills, loan statements or whatever...I said I lived in MD and gave them an address and that was it. My VA driver's license was enough proof that I was who I said I was, and they took my word for it that I lived in MD. When I've registered vehicles in MD (starting with my existing car when I moved here) I did pretty much the same thing...I filled out forms with my address, and paid them the registration fee. That was it...again, no proof of residence was required. Companies that "live" in other states probably register vehicles here all the time, when they have operations here. I don't believe you need to live in a state to register a vehicle there...the vehicle just has to be kept there. What "tax" is MD trying to get? There's no personal property tax here. There's the registration fee, like everywhere I've ever heard of, and it's not all that low, is that the "tax" you are referring to? >I can understand your reasoning for doing this to save money, but you picked >to live in DC (I assume) and you shouldn't try to take advantage of the state >of Maryland and it's good people so you can save some money. Right...just move here and save some money. While our income taxes aren't low at all, they are lower than D.C.'s are. Besides, you get to vote here... ;-) Depending on your income level and what "personal property" you own (vehicles mostly), VA might be even cheaper. Thinking about moving back there myself... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 12:09:09 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:08:40 -0400 From: "Gwen Dade" Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC To: "Mike Bartman" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-AOL-IP: 68.98.185.162 It might be cheaper but with the new 'legal presence' laws in Virginia, you would have a hard time registering anything here unless you really live here. You have to have a utility bill in your name, birth certificate, something showing you paid taxes in Virginia, quart of blood :), etc. They changed the expiration dates on the driver's licenses here without notifying anyone and when my son went to renew his driver's license two days after his birthday, they wouldn't do it, because they didn't feel he had a legal presence without birth certificate, social security card, etc., etc. Mike Bartman wrote on 7/16/2004, 11:48 AM: > > > Depending on your income level and what "personal property" you own > (vehicles mostly), VA might be even cheaper. Thinking about moving back > there myself... From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 12:26:23 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 12:26:12 EDT Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX They did the same thing in PA. Mine expired the day AFTER my birthday so, I made sure I was up there a couple weeks prior to get it renewed. The only sucky thing was I have to have an eye doctor now fill out a form to say I no longer need glasses (LASIK) before they will take it off. Scooter In a message dated 7/16/2004 12:09:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SweetP715@XXXXXX writes: They changed the expiration dates on the driver's licenses here without notifying anyone and when my son went to renew his driver's license two days after his birthday, they wouldn't do it, because they didn't feel he had a legal presence without birth certificate, social security card, etc., etc. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 13:55:06 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:54:55 -0400 From: Aaron Maurer To: DC Cycles Subject: Charles Town, WV roads I'm headed out to WV with a couple of friends this weekend, with plans to stay in Charles Town (Charleston?) WV (near Harper's Ferry). Can anyone recommend some "scenic" roads in or around the area? Thanks, Aaron From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 15:18:39 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:18:07 -0400 To: DC Cycles Do yourself a favor, though, and don't ride when the roads are or are likely to be icy. It's often below freezing, but the roads are fine. And it's sometimes above freezing but it'd be stupid to ride because of "wintry mix", at least on sport/sport-touring tires. I've hit some ice patches in March that have scared the hell out of me. On Jul 16, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Steve Goldenberg wrote: > Haha! I'm betraying my newbie roots I guess. That's great to know that > you can ride almost year-round. I'll definitely invest in the > cold-weather gear come fall so that I can keep riding. Thanks for the > heads-up... > > -Steve > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 15:27:06 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , Steve Goldenberg , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 15:27:10 -0400 when I got my license I needed like 2 bills, bank statement, pay stub, and my birth certificate and my old license. I might have had over kill but it's pretty strict on what you need now to prove you live in MD. That's something new I think. When I registered my bike, truck and my Gf's car we had to pay 5% maryland excise tax. I just moved here from NY almost 2 years ago. Rob > I've only lived in MD for 24 years now, but the above is really > puzzling to me. When I got my MD driver's license I showed up, > filled out forms, gave them my old VA license, and took the > computerized "written" test. No bills, loan statements or > whatever...I said I lived in MD and gave them an address and that > was it. My VA driver's license was enough proof that I was who I > said I was, and they took my word for it that I lived in MD. > > When I've registered vehicles in MD (starting with my existing car > when I moved here) I did pretty much the same thing...I filled out > forms with my address, and paid them the registration fee. That was > it...again, no proof of residence was required. Companies that > "live" in other states probably register vehicles here all the time, > when they have operations here. I don't believe you need to live in > a state to register a vehicle there...the vehicle just has to be > kept there. > > What "tax" is MD trying to get? There's no personal property tax here. > There's the registration fee, like everywhere I've ever heard of, > and it's not all that low, is that the "tax" you are referring to? > > >I can understand your reasoning for doing this to save money, but you picked > >to live in DC (I assume) and you shouldn't try to take advantage of the > state > >of Maryland and it's good people so you can save some money. > > Right...just move here and save some money. While our income taxes aren't > low at all, they are lower than D.C.'s are. Besides, you get to vote > here... ;-) > > Depending on your income level and what "personal property" you own > > (vehicles mostly), VA might be even cheaper. Thinking about moving back > there myself... > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 16:39:49 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: New York Ave Eastbound -- One Lane. And Wal-Mart turn-in policy. Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:39:20 -0400 Around noon today, NY ave. eastbnd from Convention Center to just past the Metro overpass was awful - due to one lane only on the overpass. Forty-five low-rev, shade-seeking minutes, two dollars for a bottle of water from the "yellow line vendor", and a drained battery. This was discovered when, upon stopping post-construction to reglove and rezip, all I got was a grunt from the starter button. Thankfully a downhill sidestreet was just an awkward (backward) paddle away (reverse trannies coming in '06?). Gotta check those problem-road websites. Not wanting to live with undependable amps, I stopped by Wal-Mart which, though so progressive, is still not selling amps by the pound. I had to buy a whole new battery (such process having served me well in the past). The checker pointed out to me a (new?) WM turn-in policy for batteries - bring the old one in to the CustSvc desk with a special receipt he gave me and I will receive $5.00. Don't know how competitive this current pricing is, but the whole thing put a smile on my face. 38.58 tot - 5 (to come) = 33.58 for an "EverStart" 14LA2. (Didn't they used to carry Yuasa?) And they dispose. Wish they'd take my others, along with my pile of AAs and AAAs. Lotsa bikes out today. One spiffy Harley passed me with so many tassles flying I had half a mind to wave him over and tell him his gear was coming apart. Another HD all chromed up, Daytona T-shirt emblazoned, did a "madja look" as he gave it a twist and passed. Can't they do the construction work under bubbles in the winter? Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Don't blame batteries on me. How about solar panels on my fenders? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 16:53:27 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 13:53:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Evading the police To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3533800/detail.html Remember though. Rush hour here isn't near as busy as rush hour in DC. Umm, use 95 HOV lanes for the best example of regular rush hour here. The doof :-) Carl, now back in Denver. ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:26:05 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Evading the police Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:25:51 -0400 > Remember though. Rush hour here isn't near as busy as rush hour in DC. > Umm, use 95 HOV lanes for the best example of regular rush hour here. I dunno Carl, I-25 can lock up pretty solid from C470 to downtown. And let's not even mention TREX. However, that stretch of Arapahoe is usually pretty lightly travelled. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:35:54 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:35:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 11:23 AM 7/16/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: > Probably becuase MD doesn't want to turn down the tax. > > I've only lived in MD for 24 years now, but the above is > really puzzling to me. > What "tax" is MD trying to get? the 5% sales tax? > There's no personal > property tax here. > There's the registration fee, like everywhere I've ever > heard of, and it's > not all that low, is that the "tax" you are referring to? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:43:11 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:38:25 -0400 To: Stephen Miller , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC At 03:18 PM 7/16/04 -0400, Stephen Miller wrote: >Do yourself a favor, though, and don't ride when the roads are or are >likely to be icy. It's often below freezing, but the roads are fine. >And it's sometimes above freezing but it'd be stupid to ride because of Very true. If it was cold overnight, even though it's above freezing in the daytime there can still be ice in the shady spots too. Wherever you usually see puddles or wet spots a while after a rain is where you're most likely to find icy patches in the winter. Be watchful for them anyway. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:44:02 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Evading the police To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > Remember though. Rush hour here isn't near as busy as rush hour in DC. > > Umm, use 95 HOV lanes for the best example of regular rush hour here. > > I dunno Carl, > > I-25 can lock up pretty solid from C470 to downtown. > Ok, I'll give you that. Still, rush hour is close to an hour and even 25 is slow rather than stopped and generally moves at a pretty reasonable pace. > And let's not even mention TREX. T-Rex on all the signs ;-) > > However, that stretch of Arapahoe is usually pretty lightly travelled. Still, 120MPH in any traffic, much less rush hour :-) > > Michael J. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:44:07 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Tom Gimer , Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:44:12 -0400 http://www.marylandmva.com/VehicleServ/REG/NewtoMD.htm Maryland Excise Titling Tax ---------------------------- If the vehicle has been recently purchased, the 5% excise tax is based on the greater of the total purchase price verified by a notarized MVA Bill of Sale (form VR-181), signed by both the buyer(s) and the seller(s) in which the actual price paid for the vehicle is stated or $640.00. This is what I paid for my bike and truck. Rob On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:35:47 -0700 (PDT), Tom Gimer wrote > --- Mike Bartman wrote: > > At 11:23 AM 7/16/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: > > Probably becuase MD doesn't want to turn down the tax. > > > > I've only lived in MD for 24 years now, but the above is > > really puzzling to me. > > > > What "tax" is MD trying to get? > > the 5% sales tax? > > > There's no personal > > property tax here. > > There's the registration fee, like everywhere I've ever > > heard of, and it's > > not all that low, is that the "tax" you are referring to? > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:44:52 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Charles Town, WV roads Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:44:40 -0400 > I'm headed out to WV with a couple of friends this weekend, > with plans to stay in Charles Town (Charleston?) WV (near > Harper's Ferry). Can anyone recommend some "scenic" roads in > or around the area? Charles Town is your destination. Charleston is a bit further west. Lessee - scenic roads - well, they all are pretty much scenic out there. Road from Harper's Ferry along the Shenandoah to Route 9 is a nice ride. Take a left (if you're westbound) at the Flea Market just west of Harper's Ferry Another road from Harper's Ferry to Shepherdstown is nice, but I'd be really hard pressed to describe it. Gonna try anyway - West on 340 out of Harper's Ferry - right on Bakerton Road (across from Flea Market) - Left at "T" after railroad underpass - right at next "T" (about 5 miles) - left on Cement Hill Road (about .2 miles) and follow Potomac River into Shepherdstown. Or SR51 west out of Charles Town to CR1 north (becomes) SR480 to Shepherdstown is a nice ride. Continue past Shepherdstown (WV) to Sharpsburg (MD) - visit the Antietam Battlefield, and take the Harper's Ferry road out of Sharpsburg. GREAT road. Lots of nice little restaurants in Shepherdstown. REALLY good ice cream place in Sharpsburg on the Harper's Ferry Road. The road to Summit Point from Charles Town isn't really scenic, but it will check out your tires and suspension ;-) And if you do get lost - so much the better. Enjoy Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:50:55 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , Stephen Miller , DC Cycles Subject: Riding season. (was: buying the bike in DC thread) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:51:00 -0400 I was coming home one night it had just got dark. I was traveling south on MD-28 after coming from Point of Rocks. The roads where a sheet of ice and I must of counted 30 cars off the road and the firemen all over. Cars where stopping on the road and just SLIDING off the road if there was any type of incline. MD doesn't always seem on the ball when it comes to salting the roads and I have noticed a lot of melt during the day/freeze at night cycles in this climate. On another note I got out of work early and took a nice ride on thge VFR. I found some neat roads in Frederick CO just east of 15. Definetly a perfect day. I came home early to have dinner with my chick only to find out she is at HAPPY HOUR. Anyone going out to Skyline Drive/211 this weekend? I was out there a couple weekends ago and it wasn't very busy (nice weather too). I was in the Xtreme on the way to Luray Caverns. More cars than bikes. Regards, Rob On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:38:25 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > At 03:18 PM 7/16/04 -0400, Stephen Miller wrote: > >Do yourself a favor, though, and don't ride when the roads are or are > >likely to be icy. It's often below freezing, but the roads are fine. > >And it's sometimes above freezing but it'd be stupid to ride because of > > Very true. If it was cold overnight, even though it's above > freezing in the daytime there can still be ice in the shady spots > too. Wherever you usually see puddles or wet spots a while after a > rain is where you're most likely to find icy patches in the winter. > Be watchful for them anyway. > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:52:00 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:44:39 -0400 To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC At 02:35 PM 7/16/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >--- Mike Bartman wrote: >> At 11:23 AM 7/16/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >> Probably becuase MD doesn't want to turn down the tax. >> >> I've only lived in MD for 24 years now, but the above is >> really puzzling to me. > > >> What "tax" is MD trying to get? > >the 5% sales tax? Could be. I'd forgotten about that. My car was so old when I moved here the tax was less than the driver's license or registration. About $12 I think it was. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:53:18 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 14:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: RE: Evading the police To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Carl Schelin wrote: > --- Michael Jordan wrote: > > > > However, that stretch of Arapahoe is usually pretty lightly travelled. > > Still, 120MPH in any traffic, much less rush hour :-) And one of the local listers was stopped in the traffic and saw him zip by, slow at a red light and then blow right through it. > > > > > Michael J. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 17:54:55 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:54:52 -0400 To: "Rob Sharp" , Stephen Miller , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Riding season. (was: buying the bike in DC thread) At 05:51 PM 7/16/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >I was coming home one night it had just got dark. I was traveling south on >MD-28 after coming from Point of Rocks. The roads where a sheet of ice and I >MD doesn't always seem on the ball when it comes to salting the roads and I >have noticed a lot of melt during the day/freeze at night cycles in this climate. Depends where you are I guess. Point of Rocks is pretty much rural, and I doubt they do a whole lot out there. Down here near Rockville the roads turn white with salt in the winter. You do still sometimes get the freeze-thaw thing happening though, even with the salt. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 19:45:07 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: "Michael Jordan" , Subject: RE: Evading the police Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:45:01 -0400 50k bond isnt that a lot ? It's not like he is gonna run away :-P I think if I was going 120 mph I wouldn't stop if the police lite up the sirens/lights. I would drive to my work hahah. Luckly there is another guy on a red honda sport bike that works there too. Rob On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:25:51 -0400, Michael Jordan wrote > > Remember though. Rush hour here isn't near as busy as rush hour in DC. > > Umm, use 95 HOV lanes for the best example of regular rush hour here. > > I dunno Carl, > > I-25 can lock up pretty solid from C470 to downtown. > > And let's not even mention TREX. > > However, that stretch of Arapahoe is usually pretty lightly travelled. > > Michael J. -- Rob Sharp 1996 Honda VFR 750 2003 Chevy S10 Xtreme SSCP/CCSP/CCNA 2.0/CCSA Network Security Engineer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 22:49:52 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > What "tax" is MD trying to get? There's no personal property tax here. > There's the registration fee, like everywhere I've ever heard of, and it's > not all that low, is that the "tax" you are referring to? Maryland charges you sales tax whenever you bring a vehicle into the state, regardless of whether or not you've already paid sales tax in another state when you bought the vehicle. Personally, when I moved to MD, I thought this was more onerous than VA's property tax. I think that you will find that the jurisdiction in which you live considers only whether or not you're domiciled there. If you are, they expect that any vehicle registered to you that you drive in their jurisdiction also be registered there. VA exempts only a limited number of Congressional staff (1 per office, plus the member himself, I believe?), plus military whose residence of record is in another state. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 22:51:14 2004 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 19:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Charles Town, WV roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Aaron Maurer wrote: > I'm headed out to WV with a couple of friends this weekend, with plans > to stay in Charles Town (Charleston?) WV (near Harper's Ferry). Can > anyone recommend some "scenic" roads in or around the area? The main track and the Jefferson Circuit at Summit Point are pretty nice... 8;) -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 16 22:52:09 2004 From: "Thomas Jordan" To: "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Wal-Mart turn-in policy. Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:52:07 -0400 They've been doing that for years. It is actually a core charge on the battery, which you pay when you buy the battery. When you return the core, they give you your $5 back. -----Original Message----- From: W.S. [mailto:mobacc@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 4:39 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: New York Ave Eastbound -- One Lane. And Wal-Mart turn-in policy. The checker pointed out to me a (new?) WM turn-in policy for batteries - bring the old one in to the CustSvc desk with a special receipt he gave me and I will receive $5.00. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 17 19:25:17 2004 From: Daniel To: Steve Goldenberg Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:24:39 -0400 If you're going to register it in maryland at the "OK" say so of the insurance agent, make sure he puts it in writing... as a matter of fact here's some advice for you 1> register the bike in DC - if it gets stolen from DC and you claim to keep it in maryland the insurance company may tell you they're not going to pay for your bike, and that will be really painful, not worth the money you save. Plus it is convienient to have the bike near where you live. 2> don't park the bike anywhere someone can see it or touch it, because bike theives will steal it, either "pro's" or juveniles who just want to joy ride it.. keep it safe! If they can see it and if they can touch it, they will take it! 3> get frame sliders - trust me. They can make the difference of an accident making money for you, by getting a fat insurance check and keeping the bike, or losing money because the bike is totalled and worthelss ot you. 4> Always always always get into the habbit of taking your key out of the bike.. a lot of times bike keys get left in the ignition or trunk lock.. most likely no one steals it, but it's still a good thing to get into that habbit. You don't know how often people leave keys in their bike.. they're so concerned with just turning the bike off, and removign their gear, talking to their buddy, or answering their phone, they forget the key is still in the bike... and walk away. Always take your gear with you too.. you may th ink you're in a good neighborhood, and hell you might be, but that lil theiving punk could be visiting somoene, and steal your gear. 5> most important.. see that car right there? you think he sees you and won't pull out? WRONG that car is going to pull out and doesn't see you, or doens't care. ALWAYS keep that in mind for EVERY vehicle, pedestrian and animal you see. - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 17 19:25:52 2004 From: Daniel To: Troutman Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:25:27 -0400 > >Welcome to the list. Hope you like guns, WD-40 and helmet laws. I KNOW I DO!! woohoo! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 17 19:28:56 2004 From: Daniel To: DCcycles Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:28:26 -0400 How much is the bike anyway? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 17 21:50:18 2004 Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Ian Schmidt Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i To: Daniel , DCcycles Too much for a salvage title. $5200 negotiable but not much from what I could tell. Ian --- Daniel wrote: > How much is the bike anyway? > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 18 10:13:05 2004 From: Daniel To: Ian Schmidt Cc: DCcycles Subject: Re: 2001 Honda F4i Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:12:27 -0400 Interesting... what you could do is determine what you want to pay, and just let them know you're putting an offer on the table of XXX, and if he cant' sell it for his price, he can always contact you to sell it at your price.. The thing about salvage title bikes, they may little quirks hidden behind the scenes.. like little things slightly tweaked so it's a pain in the butt to put back together when you take it apart, or hidden problems that are just starting now, that aren't visible, but will progress with time.. like a small hairline frame fracture or something. A friend just sold his 2001 zx6r for 4500. it was a rebuilt title (ex-salvage) and he put a lot of upgrades/goodies in to it.. I guess I'll just post to the list whenever I know somoene selling a bike, for the lurkers. - Danny On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:50:10 -0700 (PDT), Ian Schmidt wrote: >Too much for a salvage title. $5200 negotiable but not >much from what I could tell. > >Ian > >--- Daniel wrote: >> How much is the bike anyway? >> >> >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! >http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 18 10:23:23 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:22:53 -0400 You can tell it is about revenue and not about safety based on location alone... Are any of the speed locations infamous for accidents? Nope. Do any of those locations (save fla ave) have pedestrians? Nope. The mayor wants the revenue to help balance the books... the least he could do is is say "it's a step to regulate and fine tune speed everywhere" vs that "it's about safety" bold face lie.. Danny I still believe we should have physical punishment if we catch people in lies LOL.. and the penalty woudl be higher for politicians.. we could cut off a finger for every lie caught in.. then we'd know who to vote for, the politician who has the most fingers LOL From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 18 13:17:48 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Old Magazines...Any Interest? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:06:16 -0400 In the cleaning mood today, so I thought I'd put this out to see if there was any interest in old magazines, before I recycle them for good. Make me any offer if interested. Cycle World: 1993-1994 Partial Year 1995-1996 Complete Years 1997-1998 Partial 1999-2003 Complete American Motorcyclist (AMA Magazine): 1993 Two issues 1994-2003 Complete Years Honda Red Rider (HRCA Magazine): Last 30 issues Consumer Reports: 1996 Partial 1997-2003 Complete (also have the Annual Buying Guides for 1999-2003) Just thought I'd ask. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 18 15:16:18 2004 From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Daniel'" , "'Ian Schmidt'" Cc: "'DCcycles'" Subject: RE: 2001 Honda F4i Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:16:14 -0400 X-PMX-Version: 4.6.0.99824, Antispam-Core: 4.6.1.104326, Antispam-Data: 2004.7.17.107809 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __EVITE_CTYPE 0, __CTYPE_CHARSET_QUOTED 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __IN_REP_TO 0, __UNUSABLE_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, IN_REP_TO 0' Way to high. You can buy one w/o a salvage title in perfect shape for $5500-$6k. You should get that bike for $3k. On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:50:10 -0700 (PDT), Ian Schmidt wrote: >Too much for a salvage title. $5200 negotiable but not much from what I >could tell. > >Ian > >--- Daniel wrote: >> How much is the bike anyway? >> >> >> >> > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! >http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 18 21:00:05 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:59:39 -0400 Another DC rider chiming in -- Trying to not ride for six months in the DC region could be psyche-damaging. At the least, January seems to come up with a few Indian Summer days and the roads are cautiously passable much of the time, as mentioned. Appropriate gear and a pampered (sheltered, maintained) bike contribute. Some thoughts: . Personally, in DC (or most other urbs) I wouldn't own a motorcycle (sole transportation) without dedicated shelter for it (theft, weather, vandalism). . Paperwork among license, registration, insurance has become tight since 9/11. A recent address adjustment required extra docs because of my PO box. . God forbid that one crash, but it does happen, sometimes involving others. Inscos ask questions. As will the police, who may not be from one of your jurisdictions and may not understand reasons for what appears to them mismatches of this kind or that. Be prepared, as the ramifications of a sketchy accident resolution could be quite painful (fraud already mentioned). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Conceived in Japan, born in Nebraska, raised in DC/Va. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 08:16:08 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Buying a bike while living in DC To: Rob Sharp , Steve Goldenberg , DC Cycles --- Rob Sharp wrote: > Who pays for the repairs is really up to you and her. exactly. this is a contract, structured as buyer and seller agree. she obviously wants to sell the bike "as is" and you want to buy the bike subject to an inspection contingency. put whatever is agreed to in writing. > At 7k, you probably don't need a new chain, brakes, valve > job, ect. It will > probably pass fine. I got my 1996 VFR inspected in MD > and it passed flying > colors. MD is anal about inspections since you only get > it once. i disagree. at 7k, it could need anything and everything, as a result of neglect, outdoor storage, abuse, etc. > I agree with Paul, you should probably register in DC > where you live. Is all > the hassel worth 200 bux a year? For me it isn't. > Beside my MD rates go up > when you bike in DC gets stolen and knocked over and it > goes on the MD > books... DC is an expensive place to live :) agreed. why risk a disclaimer by an insurer over $200? plus, in dc, you'll likely need your comprehensive coverage (and i'm shocked by the low rates you're being quoted if they include such coverage). > Rob > > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 20:45:29 -0400, Steve Goldenberg > wrote > > I got an insurance quote of $700 in DC, $507 in Va and > $350 in MD - > > strange how much a few miles difference makes. The VA > and MD quotes > > are from Progressive and the DC quote is from Geico. > bike-line.com > > was over $1,000 for all of them... > > > > I have another question - I'm talking to a woman who > would be selling > > me the bike. I went and saw it and it looks great but > she's giving me > > a hard time about inspection - she got it inspected a > year ago and > > says that she shouldn't have to do it again. I disgreed > and fianlly > > got her to so I'm supposed to meet her tomorrow at the > inspection > > location to buy it from her. If it fails and needs $200 > in > > wheels/valves/pixie dust or whatever, should she pay > for it or should > > I? Is it standard for a used bike to be sold without a > recent > > inspection? > > > > I admit that I don't know anything about this so I'm > not sure if I'm > > being over cautious or not cautious enough. The bike > has 7,000 miles > > and has never had new brakes, valves, tires or a new > chain. It has > > had oil changes - is that ok, or should some of those > have been changed? > > Thank you all for your help, I truly appreciate it... > > > > -Steve G __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 08:34:02 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 08:33:48 EDT Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/18/2004 10:23:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, motorcycle@XXXXXX writes: > and the penalty woudl be higher for politicians.. we > could cut off a finger for every lie caught in.. then we'd know who > to vote for, the politician who has the most fingers LOL I like that idea #:-) Then make voting for legislation etc. by finger count, that way the more lies the weaker the politician. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 10:55:11 2004 From: Daniel To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Bill would limit speed cams Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:54:21 -0400 That's a good idea too! >I like that idea #:-) >Then make voting for legislation etc. by finger count, that way the more lies >the weaker the politician. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 11:57:36 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: as if we didn't have enough to worry about Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:58:51 -0400 http://www.gazetteextra.com/plasticwraptrap071804.asp Fun with Saran wrap results in m/c crash. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 12:12:54 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: as if we didn't have enough to worry about Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:12:43 -0400 > http://www.gazetteextra.com/plasticwraptrap071804.asp Does anyone have any idea how to pronounce "Brzykcy"? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 12:16:19 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:15:59 -0400 Subject: Re: as if we didn't have enough to worry about > Does anyone have any idea how to pronounce "Brzykcy"? "BRIHK eee" or "PLEH stick RAPP AX eh DENT" -Sean From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 12:56:19 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Chuck on MSNBC. X-Virus-Checked: Checked Just saw our very own Chuck Pena on MSNBC, discussing the possible Iran - Al-Qaeda links. Ob-moto: Did you ride your bike to the studio, Chuck? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 13:38:12 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:37:58 -0400 From: Robert To: Jon Strang Subject: Re: as if we didn't have enough to worry about Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My dad used to tell me stories of the WWII French Resistance, and this reminds me of the anecdote about the constructive use of telephone wire (acquired from a nearby pole). Strung across a roadway, the wire would be left lying on the road, obscured by leaves and debris, until the German dispatch riders would come along. Hoisting the wire to moto-rider's neck-height was quickly done, and could result in decapitation. Sounds like some enterprising hooligan has been reading his history books. Robert On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:58:51 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: > http://www.gazetteextra.com/plasticwraptrap071804.asp > > Fun with Saran wrap results in m/c crash. > > --jon > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 13:40:26 2004 From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: "Jay" Subject: Wednesday-Ride to work- Bethesda lunch Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:40:14 -0400 I would love to meet up with some fellow motorcyclists in honor of Ride to Work day. Louisina Express, 12:30 pm, Wednesday, July 21 4921 Bethesda Avenue Bethesda, MD 20814 Phone: (301) 652-6945 www.louisianaexpresscompany.com Please RSVP so I know how many seats to save. See you there! Lisa Goddard '95 VFR '97 GSXR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 13:47:08 2004 From: Richard Westbrook To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Smith, Andrew'" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:42:05 -0400 I work out in Herndon and would like to meet for lunch if you guys are still doing it. Where exactly is the "On the Border"? -Rich > ---------- > From: Smith, Andrew > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:38 PM > To: Rob Keiser; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > If we get there early enough we could probably dominate the 'On the > Border' parking lot / bar and chase everyone else away. Of course I am > biased as this is a hop and a skip for me but it would be cool to see > that place lit up with bikes. Good food, not too expensive.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:09 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > > > Or how about the Reston/Herndon/Tysons Crowd? > > > > Rob > > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > From: Paul Wilson > > Reply-To: Paul Wilson > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:14:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > > > > Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the > > Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? > > > > > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 13:50:54 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: RichardW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, asmith@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:50:46 -0400 Actually, I think more people are going to the Old Irish Brogue by Great Falls instead. It's off of Georgetown Pike. I'll check an email for more details. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Richard Westbrook To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Smith, Andrew'" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:42:05 -0400 I work out in Herndon and would like to meet for lunch if you guys are still doing it. Where exactly is the "On the Border"? -Rich > ---------- > From: Smith, Andrew > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:38 PM > To: Rob Keiser; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > If we get there early enough we could probably dominate the 'On the > Border' parking lot / bar and chase everyone else away. Of course I am > biased as this is a hop and a skip for me but it would be cool to see > that place lit up with bikes. Good food, not too expensive.. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:09 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > > > Or how about the Reston/Herndon/Tysons Crowd? > > > > Rob > > '98 VFR800 > > > > > > From: Paul Wilson > > Reply-To: Paul Wilson > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:14:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) > > > > Only 9 days away, folks. Is there a venue picked out for the > > Arl./Crystal City/Alex. crowd? > > > > > > > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 14:02:10 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:01:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Rob Keiser , RichardW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, asmith@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st 12 Noon, the Old Brogue, 760C Walker Rd. At the light in "central" Great Falls. http://www.oldbrogue.com/ Group is leaving Crystal City (20th and Crystal Dr.) at 11:30. This per an email from Larry Larson last week. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser Actually, I think more people are going to the Old Irish Brogue by Great Falls instead. It's off of Georgetown Pike. I'll check an email for more details. Rob '98 VFR800 ..... Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 15:10:48 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: as if we didn't have enough to worry about To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On my way to connecticut a few years ago I pulled off the interstate to look for a place to eat. On an unlit back road someone had run duct tape across the road approx 4' off the ground. It looked like a steel cable which was pretty alarming. While I stopped in time a car coming the other direction didn't see it until the last moment and proceeded to lock up it's tires and came within inches of side swiping me. People suck. --- Jon Strang wrote: > http://www.gazetteextra.com/plasticwraptrap071804.asp > > Fun with Saran wrap results in m/c crash. > > --jon > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 15:32:44 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 15:32:35 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Chuck on MSNBC. Nope, I'm spoiled. They pick me up in a sedan and then take me back to the office. %^) -----Original Message----- From: Fish Flowers Sent: Jul 19, 2004 12:56 PM To: DC-Cycles Subject: Chuck on MSNBC. Just saw our very own Chuck Pena on MSNBC, discussing the possible Iran - Al-Qaeda links. Ob-moto: Did you ride your bike to the studio, Chuck? Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 16:01:52 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st To: Richard Westbrook , Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Smith, Andrew'" --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I work out in Herndon and would like to meet for lunch if you guys are still > doing it. Just a reminder that we do have a group meeting at noon at the Old Irish Brogue in Great Falls, which is convenient to Reston/Herndon and Tyson's. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 16:05:11 2004 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Rob Keiser wrote: > Actually, I think more people are going to the Old Irish Brogue by Great > Falls instead. It's off of Georgetown Pike. > > I'll check an email for more details. Info and map are at http://www.xhost.org/brogue.htm -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 16:45:39 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Maritime Plaza I & II parking Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:48:39 -0400 Any lister(s) park at either MPI or MPII at the end of M Street in SE DC (by Navy Yard)? Please email me off-line, I have a question re: motorcycle parking at these buildings. Thanks. --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 16:59:33 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Chuck on MSNBC. Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:58:45 -0400 To: DC Cycles Don't be silly. The helmet would mess up his hair. On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Fish Flowers wrote: > Just saw our very own Chuck Pena on MSNBC, discussing the possible > Iran - > Al-Qaeda links. > > Ob-moto: Did you ride your bike to the studio, Chuck? > > Fish. > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 19 21:18:35 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 21:18:22 EDT Subject: Re: Chuck on MSNBC. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX That's what the hair and makeup crew are for. ;-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) In a message dated 7/19/2004 4:59:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, freecat@XXXXXX writes: Don't be silly. The helmet would mess up his hair. On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:56 PM, Fish Flowers wrote: > Just saw our very own Chuck Pena on MSNBC, discussing the possible > Iran - > Al-Qaeda links. > > Ob-moto: Did you ride your bike to the studio, Chuck? > > Fish. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 08:23:46 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:23:41 -0400 From: lisagoddard@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: paging George Cole give me a shout please, Thanks, Lisa Goddard ------------------------------------------------------ This message was sent using BOO.net's Webmail. http://www.boo.net/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 08:53:30 2004 From: Daniel To: "Jon Strang" Cc: Subject: Re: as if we didn't have enough to worry about Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:52:27 -0400 I wonder what kind of helmets they were wearing From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 09:17:37 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:17:25 -0400 Subject: Bleed vs. buy? My rear brakes feel... squishy. My front brakes feel... grabby. Should I beed them first and see if that makes a difference before I disassemble them and/or replace pads? I'm understandably concerned, and being a rank greenhorn, not sure how to proceed. Thanks lis! -- Sean Steele WAR-shington, DC '92 "Squish, grab, squish, grab" Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 09:34:38 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? To: Sean Steele , DC Cycles short answer: yes, but get some experienced help. --- Sean Steele wrote: > My rear brakes feel... squishy. > My front brakes feel... grabby. > > Should I beed them first and see if that makes a > difference before I > disassemble them and/or replace pads? > > I'm understandably concerned, and being a rank greenhorn, > not sure how > to proceed. > > Thanks lis! > > -- > Sean Steele > WAR-shington, DC > '92 "Squish, grab, squish, grab" Seca II > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 09:37:08 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Two different problems here. Squishy brakes are usually a cause of the hydraulic system and grabby brakes are usually caused by the pads and or rotors. To fix the squishy brakes you might be able to flush the brake fluid or you might need new hoses as the rubber ones expand after a period of time. My Magna I used to own had brake line expansion so bad I could hardly stop the bike. A new SS braided line took care of that... How many miles are on the pads? They could be glazed over causing the problem. I would replace the pads before thinking about the rotors unless they look really glossy. Glenn --- Sean Steele wrote: > My rear brakes feel... squishy. > My front brakes feel... grabby. > > Should I beed them first and see if that makes a > difference before I > disassemble them and/or replace pads? > > I'm understandably concerned, and being a rank > greenhorn, not sure how > to proceed. > > Thanks lis! > > -- > Sean Steele > WAR-shington, DC > '92 "Squish, grab, squish, grab" Seca II > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 09:44:39 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:44:27 EDT Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/20/2004 9:21:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: > My rear brakes feel... squishy. > My front brakes feel... grabby. > > Should I beed them first and see if that makes a difference before I > disassemble them and/or replace pads? First simply look at the pads. Are they worn out? In other words is there lots of pad left or are they nearly gone? Are you down to no pad at all and using the metal pad backing plates for stopping? (You will likely need to remove the caliper to do so.) Nest lube the front brake lever pivot point, this is the most neglected part of most motorcycle brake systems and can make the front brake feel grabby. Then go ahead and bleed that rear brake. A brake that feels squishy likely has air in the system. Use the correct fluid, keep the can sealed when not actually filling the reservoir (Trick: when opening the foil seal on brake fluid only punch a small hole 1/8 inch or so, that will help prevent air/humidity from getting to the fluid. Remember it is hygroscopic.) and keep the cap on the reservoir as much as practical. IMPORTANT!!!! BRAKE FLUID WILL EAT PAINT!!! Protect anything that brake fluid may spill on. Also remember your brakes are likely the most important thing on your bike, brake failure can kill you. If you do not fully know what you are doing get help. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 10:56:20 2004 From: To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" , "Members \(E-mail\)" Subject: Trailer for sale Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:55:58 -0400 We have a trailer for sale. It would be great for 2 street bikes or 3 dirt bikes. Check out the link for more details and pictures. http://www.motorcycleleatherexchange.com/trailer.html -- Thanks!! Jay Goddard 2000 DRZ400E Super Motard 1990 RC30, 1996 ZX-11 1999 GSXR750, 1997 XR100R 301-340-0886 Jay@XXXXXX http://www.MotorcycleLeatherExchange.com http://www.MotardUSA.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 11:12:16 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: 11a Tues -- Serious accidents -- 66, 50, 7 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:11:57 -0400 Traffic may be rocky for a while - Ch. 4 is reporting: Rte 66 westbnd about 123 - all lanes closed, one fatality, at least 4 vehicles. Rte 50 around 301 both directions blocked. 2 medevac helos. Rte 7 eastbnd between Ashburn Rd and Buckman Rd. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Perfect weather. Is there something in the water? Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 11:33:54 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:34:04 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? At 09:44 AM 7/20/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >actually filling the reservoir (Trick: when opening the foil seal on brake fluid >only punch a small hole 1/8 inch or so, that will help prevent air/humidity from >getting to the fluid. Remember it is hygroscopic.) and keep the cap on the >reservoir as much as practical. IMPORTANT!!!! BRAKE FLUID WILL EAT PAINT!!! These things are true for DOT 3, and DOT 4 and DOT 5.2 brake fluid. They are not true for DOT 5 though. It isn't hygroscopic, and it doesn't eat paint like the others do. It's also not compatible with them. Make sure you check your manual to see which your bike needs. H-D, at least the newer ones, use DOT 5. Most bikes probably use DOT 3 or 4, and newer ones may even spec 5.2. Yes, I know that DOT 5 and DOT 5.2 being completely different and incompatible is a stupid way to do things...tell the government and the engineering orgs that came up with the nomenclature... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 12:45:28 2004 From: "W.S." To: Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:45:04 -0400 Please count me in for tomorrow (95%). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > We'll both fill up. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" pltrgyst@XXXXXX forecast: The Crystal City Mob is riding to the Old Irish Brogue, out 193 (Georgetown Pike) outside the Beltway in Great Falls. We're planning on that being a beautiful day, and on a beautiful day, we want to ride a little further than Shirlington (and work a little less). Maps are at: http://www.xhost.org/images/GreatFalls.gif and http://www.xhost.org/images/GreatFallsSm.gif. Anyone who want to join us at noon is welcome, of course. We're leaving Crystal City at 11:30 (gathering at 20th St. and Crystal Drive). BTW, we do the brewpub in Shirlington a couple times a year for no good reason. Carlyle is too fru-fru for some of us, and others of us prefer Bistro Bistro, anyway. 8;) Regards, Larry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 15:50:25 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:50:13 -0400 You guys are *SO* behind the time. I use Dot XP for my brake fluid. I didn't know Harley used DOT 5, I was under the impression it was used in racing applications and required you to flush your brake system more often. Rob On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:34:04 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote > At 09:44 AM 7/20/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > >actually filling the reservoir (Trick: when opening the foil seal on brake > fluid > >only punch a small hole 1/8 inch or so, that will help prevent > air/humidity from > >getting to the fluid. Remember it is hygroscopic.) and keep the cap on the > >reservoir as much as practical. IMPORTANT!!!! BRAKE FLUID WILL EAT PAINT!!! > > These things are true for DOT 3, and DOT 4 and DOT 5.2 brake fluid. > They are not true for DOT 5 though. It isn't hygroscopic, and it > doesn't eat paint like the others do. It's also not compatible with > them. Make sure you check your manual to see which your bike needs. > H-D, at least the newer ones, use DOT 5. Most bikes probably use > DOT 3 or 4, and newer ones may even spec 5.2. > > Yes, I know that DOT 5 and DOT 5.2 being completely different and > incompatible is a stupid way to do things...tell the government and the > engineering orgs that came up with the nomenclature... > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non- > Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 17:22:10 2004 Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:21:54 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Richard Westbrook" , "Rob Keiser" , , "Smith, Andrew" Is anyone still going to On The Border in Herndon tomorrow? I and a work buddy are both planning on going... Falls Church is a bit too out of the way for us to make that one. --smthng Ps. Please reply to the list, as I have multiple email accounts and I won't be able to check my work address (this one) again until tomorrow. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:59 PM To: Richard Westbrook; Rob Keiser; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Smith, Andrew' Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I work out in Herndon and would like to meet for lunch if you guys are still > doing it. Just a reminder that we do have a group meeting at noon at the Old Irish Brogue in Great Falls, which is convenient to Reston/Herndon and Tyson's. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 17:30:52 2004 Subject: WTB: 600 Sport or similar Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:30:45 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: I've got a friend who's been itching to buy a buy a bike and it looks like he's ready to take the plunge. He's looking for a smallish rocket (At least it's smallish in my opinion)... something like a YZF 600, CBR 600 or similar. Anyone got one in decent shape up for grabs? I'm going to point him to some of the local dealers, classifieds, e-bay, etc., just wanted to see if there was an opportunity out amongst the listers first. Thanks. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 17:37:48 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: jkalmes@XXXXXX, RichardW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, asmith@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:25:40 -0400 This place is in Great Falls, Not Falls Church. Reston Parkway, Left on Rt. 7, Right on Georgetown Pike 193...not far. If I make it , it'll be more like 11:30 to 12:30 as I have to be back in Reston by 1 for a meeting. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Richard Westbrook" ,"Rob Keiser" ,,"Smith, Andrew" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:21:54 -0400 Is anyone still going to On The Border in Herndon tomorrow? I and a work buddy are both planning on going... Falls Church is a bit too out of the way for us to make that one. --smthng Ps. Please reply to the list, as I have multiple email accounts and I won't be able to check my work address (this one) again until tomorrow. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:59 PM To: Richard Westbrook; Rob Keiser; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Smith, Andrew' Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I work out in Herndon and would like to meet for lunch if you guys are still > doing it. Just a reminder that we do have a group meeting at noon at the Old Irish Brogue in Great Falls, which is convenient to Reston/Herndon and Tyson's. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 18:10:41 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Accident 7-16-04 To: DC Cycles The Basics: While traveling down I-81 near Roanoke, VA, en route from Alexandria VA to Highlands, NC, I had an accident on my motorcycle. I)B’m generally ok, and am expecting to make a full recovery. For full detail, read further. The Accident: I was traveling in the left lane of the Southbound side of I-81. Traffic was heavy, generally moving about 60-65 within a construction zone. As I was overtaking a minivan, located about even with their rear tire, they signaled and started to move into my lane. I honked a couple of times as I moved further left. They kept coming, so I hit my brakes. I guess I hit my brakes too hard, as I immediately skidded to the right. I think I grabbed the clutch, too, and let it back out while trying to recover, as the bike then flipped me off the left side. This would be consistent with the rear tire smoothly rolling as I skidded, then locking up if I too-quickly released the clutch. I ended up resting on the right shoulder of the highway, near the guard rail. I was resting face down, with my left shoulder under me. As I lay on the shoulder of the highway, I started checking my systems. No problem breathing. My legs moved fine, as did my fingers. However, it really hurt to move my left arm, so I remained where I was, and didn)B’t move any further. Very quickly, there were many folks helping out. An EMT was passing through, and quickly took charge of my head. A doctor was in the Northbound lanes, and quickly turned around and assisted as well. They stabilized my body, did a quick check, and opened the faceshield of my helmet so I could breath better. The fire truck arrived quickly, followed shortly by the paramedics. They rolled me over, quickly checked me out, and removed my helmet. I remember telling them how to open the face portion of my modular helmet (Nolan N100E), as well as unlock the chinstrap. They then strapped me to a body board, and loaded me into the back of the ambulance for the 20-25 minute ride to the Roanoke Memorial Hospital. Once in the ER, they cut off my riding jacket & t-shirt, and pulled off my boots, riding pants, and bike shorts. I was the center of attention for a while, including a trip through the MRI for a scan of my torso and shoulder. The significant concern was damage to my spleen )B– evidently it was a level 3 injury, on a 1 (good) to 4 (bad) scale. They also observed damage to my shoulder and spine. After a bit they started getting me ready to transfer. I was allowed to make a few calls, and called my Father to let him know I)B’d be delayed, my mother & brother, and my girlfriend, Claudia. While they were waiting for a bed, and I was talking to the nurse monitoring me, I felt a wave of heat then a chill, and started feeling dizzy. I told the nurse this, and she noticed that my blood pressure had crashed. I was quickly the center of attention again, with a 2nd IV going, and extensive observation. My blood pressure soon normalized, but this incident increased their concern. I won)B’t go into the full details, but I spent Friday night in the ICU, before being stepped down to regular care Saturday evening. I seemed to recover fairly quickly, and was getting out of bed by Sunday, and made a couple of walks in the hallway by the middle of Sunday night. I was released Monday noonish, and returned to the DC area. In the end, I)B’m a bit beaten up, but no huge injuries. My spleen did not require surgery, and expected to regenerate on it)B’s own. My shoulder bone (scapula?) is fractured in a couple of places. The imagery the doc used was pushing down on a corn flake, and the multiple breaks that occur. Several of the )B“wings” along my backbone are fractured. These fractures appear to be remaining tight, but I)B’m warned about moving my left shoulder for a while. Not that I will )B– it hurts like hell. I’ve got some road rash and major bruises on the left side of my back, where the jacket road up and provided no protection. I)B’ve got several bits or roadrash on my right arm, with the worst near my elbow. Generally, they)B’re forecasting a 6-8 week recovery, and 2-4 weeks out of work. All in all, the accident caused grave concern to a number of people. My mother was prepared to fly out if surgery had been required. My father & stepmother drove up from Highlands Saturday am, staying through Sunday afternoon. A good friend of mine, Deanna, drove my girlfriend, Claudia, down Friday night, then back home Saturday. They both returned Monday after I was released. My Gear: I was wearing a yellow full-face helmet (Nolan N100E), a red mesh riding jacket (Joe Rocket Pheonix), mesh riding pants (Fieldsheer Titanium AirMax), mesh motorcycle gloves (JR Pheonix), and boots. The helmet is heavily scraped along the face. Evidently I was surfing the pavement face-down for a bit. No major impacts, and the mechanism still operates, and the chinbar stayed locked. It did it)B’s job, and I have no head trauma. The jacket is heavily worn on the right sleeve, with two significant openings where I got the road rash. It appears that the elbow armor rotated on my arm, providing limited protection. The back of the jacked rode up as I slid down the pavement, and offered little protection. The pants were heavily worn on the right knee and hip. The armor pad in the knee was almost torn out. Still, I had no significant injury to my legs. Ironically, )B½ hour before the accident, I had looked at the zippers on my pants & jacket. While close, since they were from different mfg.s, they didn)B’t match. If they had, my back might be in much better shape. The gloves are pretty torn up, but worked. No injuries to my hands. The boots are Chippewa (?) MC boots. They close with a large Velcro patch on the calf, and 2 velcro straps at the ankle. While 1 foot shifted somewhat in the boot, the boots stayed on, and I had no foot injuries. One nurse asked about my boots, and commented that the boots fly off in many motorcycle accidents. All in all, my gear did its)B’ job. Several of the hospital staff said I was in *much* better shape than most motorcycle accidents they got. The Bike: 2003 Suzuki Bandit 1200S, +/- 4000 miles. No idea of the damage, as I haven)B’t seen it after the accident. The EMT told me as we were headed to the hospital that the damage seemed fairly light, mostly on one side. We)B’ll see what the insurance report says. Afterthoughts: There was plenty I could have done differently. Better position would have been difficult, given the heavy traffic. Perhaps I should have simply slowed down and stayed in the right lane. I was focused on making time to NC, so this wasn)B’t high on my list. I should have hit the brakes immediately, rather the horn. I should have better control of my brakes than my panic-induced grab. It would have been nice if the minivan had taken a real look, but I can)B’t control that. I think I remember the trooper stating the driver received a ticket. Yeah, lots of learning from this one, and lots of room for improvement. Still, I think this is the end of my riding, for a while at least. I)B’m pretty shaken, and feeling lucky I)B’m alive. Godspeed. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 18:31:31 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: bdaleray@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Accident 7-16-04 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:31:22 -0400 Damn, Brian. Sorry to hear of the event, but glad you were able to type it! Heal well and fast! But take your time getting back on the bike. You'll know when you're ready. I'm surprised the Van actually stuck around. If the bike didn't hit anything while sliding, the repairs should be pretty simple. If you decide to do the work yourself, let us know and you are welcome to use my garage and tools to fix it. Keep us updated on the estimate and what you plan to do next. Gear works! Rob '98 VFR800 From: Brian Ray To: DC Cycles Subject: Accident 7-16-04 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:10:32 -0700 (PDT) The Basics: While traveling down I-81 near Roanoke, VA, en route from Alexandria VA to Highlands, NC, I had an accident on my motorcycle. I)B’m generally ok, and am expecting to make a full recovery. For full detail, read further. The Accident: I was traveling in the left lane of the Southbound side of I-81. Traffic was heavy, generally moving about 60-65 within a construction zone. As I was overtaking a minivan, located about even with their rear tire, they signaled and started to move into my lane. I honked a couple of times as I moved further left. They kept coming, so I hit my brakes. I guess I hit my brakes too hard, as I immediately skidded to the right. I think I grabbed the clutch, too, and let it back out while trying to recover, as the bike then flipped me off the left side. This would be consistent with the rear tire smoothly rolling as I skidded, then locking up if I too-quickly released the clutch. I ended up resting on the right shoulder of the highway, near the guard rail. I was resting face down, with my left shoulder under me. As I lay on the shoulder of the highway, I started checking my systems. No problem breathing. My legs moved fine, as did my fingers. However, it really hurt to move my left arm, so I remained where I was, and didn)B’t move any further. Very quickly, there were many folks helping out. An EMT was passing through, and quickly took charge of my head. A doctor was in the Northbound lanes, and quickly turned around and assisted as well. They stabilized my body, did a quick check, and opened the faceshield of my helmet so I could breath better. The fire truck arrived quickly, followed shortly by the paramedics. They rolled me over, quickly checked me out, and removed my helmet. I remember telling them how to open the face portion of my modular helmet (Nolan N100E), as well as unlock the chinstrap. They then strapped me to a body board, and loaded me into the back of the ambulance for the 20-25 minute ride to the Roanoke Memorial Hospital. Once in the ER, they cut off my riding jacket & t-shirt, and pulled off my boots, riding pants, and bike shorts. I was the center of attention for a while, including a trip through the MRI for a scan of my torso and shoulder. The significant concern was damage to my spleen )B– evidently it was a level 3 injury, on a 1 (good) to 4 (bad) scale. They also observed damage to my shoulder and spine. After a bit they started getting me ready to transfer. I was allowed to make a few calls, and called my Father to let him know I)B’d be delayed, my mother & brother, and my girlfriend, Claudia. While they were waiting for a bed, and I was talking to the nurse monitoring me, I felt a wave of heat then a chill, and started feeling dizzy. I told the nurse this, and she noticed that my blood pressure had crashed. I was quickly the center of attention again, with a 2nd IV going, and extensive observation. My blood pressure soon normalized, but this incident increased their concern. I won)B’t go into the full details, but I spent Friday night in the ICU, before being stepped down to regular care Saturday evening. I seemed to recover fairly quickly, and was getting out of bed by Sunday, and made a couple of walks in the hallway by the middle of Sunday night. I was released Monday noonish, and returned to the DC area. In the end, I)B’m a bit beaten up, but no huge injuries. My spleen did not require surgery, and expected to regenerate on it)B’s own. My shoulder bone (scapula?) is fractured in a couple of places. The imagery the doc used was pushing down on a corn flake, and the multiple breaks that occur. Several of the )B“wings” along my backbone are fractured. These fractures appear to be remaining tight, but I)B’m warned about moving my left shoulder for a while. Not that I will )B– it hurts like hell. I’ve got some road rash and major bruises on the left side of my back, where the jacket road up and provided no protection. I)B’ve got several bits or roadrash on my right arm, with the worst near my elbow. Generally, they)B’re forecasting a 6-8 week recovery, and 2-4 weeks out of work. All in all, the accident caused grave concern to a number of people. My mother was prepared to fly out if surgery had been required. My father & stepmother drove up from Highlands Saturday am, staying through Sunday afternoon. A good friend of mine, Deanna, drove my girlfriend, Claudia, down Friday night, then back home Saturday. They both returned Monday after I was released. My Gear: I was wearing a yellow full-face helmet (Nolan N100E), a red mesh riding jacket (Joe Rocket Pheonix), mesh riding pants (Fieldsheer Titanium AirMax), mesh motorcycle gloves (JR Pheonix), and boots. The helmet is heavily scraped along the face. Evidently I was surfing the pavement face-down for a bit. No major impacts, and the mechanism still operates, and the chinbar stayed locked. It did it)B’s job, and I have no head trauma. The jacket is heavily worn on the right sleeve, with two significant openings where I got the road rash. It appears that the elbow armor rotated on my arm, providing limited protection. The back of the jacked rode up as I slid down the pavement, and offered little protection. The pants were heavily worn on the right knee and hip. The armor pad in the knee was almost torn out. Still, I had no significant injury to my legs. Ironically, )B½ hour before the accident, I had looked at the zippers on my pants & jacket. While close, since they were from different mfg.s, they didn)B’t match. If they had, my back might be in much better shape. The gloves are pretty torn up, but worked. No injuries to my hands. The boots are Chippewa (?) MC boots. They close with a large Velcro patch on the calf, and 2 velcro straps at the ankle. While 1 foot shifted somewhat in the boot, the boots stayed on, and I had no foot injuries. One nurse asked about my boots, and commented that the boots fly off in many motorcycle accidents. All in all, my gear did its)B’ job. Several of the hospital staff said I was in *much* better shape than most motorcycle accidents they got. The Bike: 2003 Suzuki Bandit 1200S, +/- 4000 miles. No idea of the damage, as I haven)B’t seen it after the accident. The EMT told me as we were headed to the hospital that the damage seemed fairly light, mostly on one side. We)B’ll see what the insurance report says. Afterthoughts: There was plenty I could have done differently. Better position would have been difficult, given the heavy traffic. Perhaps I should have simply slowed down and stayed in the right lane. I was focused on making time to NC, so this wasn)B’t high on my list. I should have hit the brakes immediately, rather the horn. I should have better control of my brakes than my panic-induced grab. It would have been nice if the minivan had taken a real look, but I can)B’t control that. I think I remember the trooper stating the driver received a ticket. Yeah, lots of learning from this one, and lots of room for improvement. Still, I think this is the end of my riding, for a while at least. I)B’m pretty shaken, and feeling lucky I)B’m alive. Godspeed. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 18:35:29 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:35:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles Brian, I have not ever read a more riveting accident account. I am so sorry for your crash but we all know its good luck you are alive. I have to ask...what about the van? Did they stop? Mark --- Brian Ray wrote: > The Basics: While traveling down I-81 near Roanoke, > VA, en route from Alexandria VA to Highlands, NC, I > had an accident on my motorcycle. I)B’m generally ok, > and am expecting to make a full recovery. For full > detail, read further. > > The Accident: I was traveling in the left lane of > the > Southbound side of I-81. Traffic was heavy, > generally > moving about 60-65 within a construction zone. As I > was overtaking a minivan, located about even with > their rear tire, they signaled and started to move > into my lane. I honked a couple of times as I moved > further left. They kept coming, so I hit my brakes. > > I guess I hit my brakes too hard, as I immediately > skidded to the right. I think I grabbed the clutch, > too, and let it back out while trying to recover, as > the bike then flipped me off the left side. This > would be consistent with the rear tire smoothly > rolling as I skidded, then locking up if I > too-quickly > released the clutch. I ended up resting on the > right > shoulder of the highway, near the guard rail. I was > resting face down, with my left shoulder under me. > > As I lay on the shoulder of the highway, I started > checking my systems. No problem breathing. My legs > moved fine, as did my fingers. However, it really > hurt to move my left arm, so I remained where I was, > and didn)B’t move any further. Very quickly, there > were > many folks helping out. An EMT was passing through, > and quickly took charge of my head. A doctor was in > the Northbound lanes, and quickly turned around and > assisted as well. They stabilized my body, did a > quick check, and opened the faceshield of my helmet > so > I could breath better. > > The fire truck arrived quickly, followed shortly by > the paramedics. They rolled me over, quickly > checked > me out, and removed my helmet. I remember telling > them how to open the face portion of my modular > helmet > (Nolan N100E), as well as unlock the chinstrap. > They > then strapped me to a body board, and loaded me into > the back of the ambulance for the 20-25 minute ride > to > the Roanoke Memorial Hospital. > > Once in the ER, they cut off my riding jacket & > t-shirt, and pulled off my boots, riding pants, and > bike shorts. I was the center of attention for a > while, including a trip through the MRI for a scan > of > my torso and shoulder. The significant concern was > damage to my spleen )B– evidently it was a level 3 > injury, on a 1 (good) to 4 (bad) scale. They also > observed damage to my shoulder and spine. After a > bit > they started getting me ready to transfer. I was > allowed to make a few calls, and called my Father to > let him know I)B’d be delayed, my mother & brother, > and > my girlfriend, Claudia. > > While they were waiting for a bed, and I was > talking > to the nurse monitoring me, I felt a wave of heat > then > a chill, and started feeling dizzy. I told the > nurse > this, and she noticed that my blood pressure had > crashed. I was quickly the center of attention > again, > with a 2nd IV going, and extensive observation. My > blood pressure soon normalized, but this incident > increased their concern. I won)B’t go into the full > details, but I spent Friday night in the ICU, before > being stepped down to regular care Saturday evening. > > I seemed to recover fairly quickly, and was getting > out of bed by Sunday, and made a couple of walks in > the hallway by the middle of Sunday night. I was > released Monday noonish, and returned to the DC > area. > > In the end, I)B’m a bit beaten up, but no huge > injuries. > My spleen did not require surgery, and expected to > regenerate on it)B’s own. My shoulder bone (scapula?) > is fractured in a couple of places. The imagery the > doc used was pushing down on a corn flake, and the > multiple breaks that occur. Several of the )B“wings” > along my backbone are fractured. These fractures > appear to be remaining tight, but I)B’m warned about > moving my left shoulder for a while. Not that I > will > )B– it hurts like hell. I’ve got some road rash and > major bruises on the left side of my back, where the > jacket road up and provided no protection. I)B’ve got > several bits or roadrash on my right arm, with the > worst near my elbow. Generally, they)B’re forecasting > a > 6-8 week recovery, and 2-4 weeks out of work. > > All in all, the accident caused grave concern to a > number of people. My mother was prepared to fly out > if surgery had been required. My father & > stepmother > drove up from Highlands Saturday am, staying through > Sunday afternoon. A good friend of mine, Deanna, > drove my girlfriend, Claudia, down Friday night, > then > back home Saturday. They both returned Monday after > I > was released. > > My Gear: I was wearing a yellow full-face helmet > (Nolan N100E), a red mesh riding jacket (Joe Rocket > Pheonix), mesh riding pants (Fieldsheer Titanium > AirMax), mesh motorcycle gloves (JR Pheonix), and > boots. > > The helmet is heavily scraped along the face. > Evidently I was surfing the pavement face-down for a > bit. No major impacts, and the mechanism still > operates, and the chinbar stayed locked. It did > it)B’s > job, and I have no head trauma. > > The jacket is heavily worn on the right sleeve, with > two significant openings where I got the road rash. > It appears that the elbow armor rotated on my arm, > providing limited protection. The back of the > jacked > rode up as I slid down the pavement, and offered > little protection. > > The pants were heavily worn on the right knee and > hip. > The armor pad in the knee was almost torn out. > Still, I had no significant injury to my legs. > > Ironically, )B½ hour before the accident, I had looked > at the zippers on my pants & jacket. While close, > since they were from different mfg.s, they didn)B’t > match. If they had, my back might be in much better > shape. > > The gloves are pretty torn up, but worked. No > injuries to my hands. > > The boots are Chippewa (?) MC boots. They close > with > a large Velcro patch on the calf, and 2 velcro > straps > at the ankle. While 1 foot shifted somewhat in the > boot, the boots stayed on, and I had no foot > injuries. > One nurse asked about my boots, and commented that > the boots fly off in many motorcycle accidents. > > All in all, my gear did its)B’ job. Several of the > hospital staff said I was in *much* better shape > than > most motorcycle accidents they got. > > The Bike: 2003 Suzuki Bandit 1200S, +/- 4000 miles. > > No idea of the damage, as I haven)B’t seen it after > the > accident. The EMT told me as we were headed to the > hospital that the damage seemed fairly light, mostly > on one side. We)B’ll see what the insurance report > says. > > Afterthoughts: There was plenty I could have done > differently. Better position would have been > difficult, given the heavy traffic. Perhaps I > should > have simply slowed down and stayed in the right > lane. > I was focused on making time to NC, so this wasn)B’t > high on my list. I should have hit the brakes > immediately, rather the horn. I should have better > control of my brakes than my panic-induced grab. It > would have been nice if the minivan had taken a real > look, but I can)B’t control that. I think I remember > the trooper stating the driver received a ticket. > > Yeah, lots of learning from this one, and lots of > room > for improvement. Still, I think this is the end of > my > riding, for a while at least. I)B’m pretty shaken, > and > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 19:11:37 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Accident 7-16-04 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:00:13 -0400 Brian, Wow! That is some story. I would have much preferred that it be a fictional account, however. I'm glad to hear that you made it out pretty much OK. Your gear did what is was designed for (for the most part) and you've got some new experience to add to your knowledge. Replace the gear (but keep the old around in a place of honor - at least for a while) get the bike back in shape and get back on that horse! Best wishes, Perry >From: Brian Ray >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Accident 7-16-04 >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:10:32 -0700 (PDT) > >The Basics: While traveling down I-81 near Roanoke, >VA, en route from Alexandria VA to Highlands, NC, I >had an accident on my motorcycle. I)B’m generally ok, >and am expecting to make a full recovery. For full >detail, read further. [snip] _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 19:26:16 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: Rt 66 crash today Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:26:07 -0400 Channel 7 just said that a "young driver reading a map" was the cause. Why am I not surprised? Michael J From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 20:57:59 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:57:39 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Subject: Re: WTB: 600 Sport or similar My '93 FZR600 track bike with lights is still for sale. Cheap. $2500. Contact me directly if you're interested. Chuck Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > I've got a friend who's been itching to buy a buy a bike and it looks > like he's ready to take the plunge. He's looking for a smallish rocket > (At least it's smallish in my opinion)... something like a YZF 600, CBR > 600 or similar. Anyone got one in decent shape up for grabs? I'm going > to point him to some of the local dealers, classifieds, e-bay, etc., > just wanted to see if there was an opportunity out amongst the listers > first. Thanks. > > --smthng > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 21:09:06 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:07:42 -0400 To: "Rob Sharp" , PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? At 03:50 PM 7/20/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >You guys are *SO* behind the time. I use Dot XP for my brake fluid. You're just going to have to call the manufacturer and ask permission to use your own bike any time you want to change your pipes, pads, spark plugs or seat...otherwise your bike won't start. I'll never use that stuff except in a moped (who'd want to change hardware on a moped anyway?) >I didn't know Harley used DOT 5, I was under the impression it was used in >racing applications and required you to flush your brake system more often. It may be used in racing applications for all I know, but it doesn't require flushing the system any more than the others, and perhaps less. Because it doesn't absorb water you don't have the problem of water collecting in the system. I've read that it's a bit thicker, and you can't mix it with the other types, so you can't really switch back and forth the way you can with dino-oil and synthetic motor oil. If your bike came with DOT 5, use DOT 5. If it came with one of the others, use what it came with, or, if you know what you are doing, you can switch to one of the others to get different heat characteristics. That's my understanding from reading about it anyway. Any brake system engineers here who want to correct anything, please feel free! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 21:28:46 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:28:21 -0400 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 At 03:10 PM 7/20/04 -0700, Brian Ray wrote: >The Basics: While traveling down I-81 near Roanoke, >VA, en route from Alexandria VA to Highlands, NC, I >had an accident on my motorcycle. I)B’m generally ok, >and am expecting to make a full recovery. For full >detail, read further. Glad you are going to recover fully. Sorry you had the accident. Thank you very much for the complete, clear and easy to read description of the events. I agree with everything you said in your analysis, but want to point out one small item so you don't beat yourself up too much about it: >I should have better >control of my brakes than my panic-induced grab. Yes, that would be nice, but when adrenaline hits, your fine motor control tends to evaporate, and over controlling is very easy to do, even when you don't think you are. Other than trying to very consciously be gentle on the levers, the only solution I can think of is to avoid the adrenaline rush by being more aware of what's about to happen and trying to be somewhere else when it does...your "slow down and stay right" point might fit that. Getting a "sixth sense" about what other road users are about to do will help as well...it seems to come with experience, though it isn't infallible. You can't really practice for the adrenaline thing...you can practice "panic stops" and high speed braking, but practice won't get you the adrenaline hit so it won't be the same at all. You'll have fine motor control in practice, but in the actual reality, you won't, so the practice, while valuable, won't apply exactly. BTW, don't forget to look at what you did *right* too. You were wearing decent gear, you noticed the other vehicle start over and you took some sort of action in a timely manner, and after the wreck you stayed still while you evaluated your situation (which was ok as you were in a relatively safe location...not in the middle of the road for instance). Other than using the horn first and the brakes second, rather than, as you said, the other way around, and having the adrenaline high cause over control on the brakes and perhaps a bit too rapid clutching, it sounds like you did everything pretty well to me. Hope you recover well and early! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 21:54:43 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: New (to me) bike purchase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX We're putting the Suzuki and Rita's Honda up for sale this week. I'm picking up a silver 02 Hayabusa tomorrow afternoon and need to reduce the inventory just a bit. I was actually looking to upgrade a little to a newer 1000 but was also looking at the 'busas since more of them were on the market out here. But Rita asked the hard questions. "Will you get the Hayabusa later?" and "What's the price difference between a 1000 and 'busa?" I said, probably and around $500. Plus it fits my style of riding better. It has the Heli-bars but no other mods. Not even slip ons. The guy rode it to work (about 3 blocks away; he lives downtown) and into the mountains a couple of times. Two more years on the extended service plan ($25 to change owners), he's had it serviced regularly and has used a trickle charger for when he's out of town (sales guy for Microsoft; -$200 from the price :-) Go me :-D (In fairness, Rita's got her eye on an old Goldwing trike. She still can't stand cornering on a bike.) Carl in Denver ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 22:05:02 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Brian, Man, nice detailed report including after action. I appreciate the details on the value of the gear. On the horn vs slow, I seem to be paying more thought lately to just getting out of the way instead of trying to argue the point. I've been guilty of that from time to time too. Glad to see the accident wasn't worse and hope you're up and riding soon. Carl --- Brian Ray wrote: > The Basics: While traveling down I-81 near Roanoke, > VA, en route from Alexandria VA to Highlands, NC, I > had an accident on my motorcycle. I)B’m generally ok, > and am expecting to make a full recovery. For full > detail, read further. > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 22:07:42 2004 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 19:07:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: WTB: 600 Sport or similar To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX My 95 GSXR 750 is up as well for around the same price. He'll have to figure out how to get it there though :-) Carl --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > My '93 FZR600 track bike with lights is still for sale. Cheap. $2500. > Contact me directly if you're interested. > > Chuck > > Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > > I've got a friend who's been itching to buy a buy a bike and it looks > > like he's ready to take the plunge. He's looking for a smallish > rocket > > (At least it's smallish in my opinion)... something like a YZF 600, > CBR > > 600 or similar. Anyone got one in decent shape up for grabs? I'm > going > > to point him to some of the local dealers, classifieds, e-bay, etc., > > just wanted to see if there was an opportunity out amongst the listers > > first. Thanks. > > > > --smthng > > > > > > > > > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 23:36:48 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:36:30 EDT Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:34:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > not true for DOT 5 though. It isn't hygroscopic, and it doesn't eat > paint like the others do. True. I did not bother to point that out because the vast majority of bikes (etc.) use stuff that is/does and over caution is better then under. Shudda known I would get called on it #:-) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 20 23:54:02 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:53:46 EDT Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/20/2004 10:05:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > On the horn vs slow, I seem to be paying > more thought lately to just getting out of the way instead of trying to > argue the point. What seems to happen to me is that if I "need" the horn I am _way_ to busy to use it. Only use the horn when you have plenty of time to do something else if you need to. And I am glad he Brian is OK. He seems to have a good understanding of what went wrong and how to avoid it in the future. Just the kind of rider we need to get back on the "horse." John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 07:24:56 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 04:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: New (to me) bike purchase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX $500 is enough to make one choose one of the ugliest machines on the planet over the bike of the year? wow. --- Carl Schelin wrote: > We're putting the Suzuki and Rita's Honda up for sale > this week. I'm > picking up a silver 02 Hayabusa tomorrow afternoon and > need to reduce the > inventory just a bit. > > I was actually looking to upgrade a little to a newer > 1000 but was also > looking at the 'busas since more of them were on the > market out here. But > Rita asked the hard questions. "Will you get the Hayabusa > later?" and > "What's the price difference between a 1000 and 'busa?" I > said, probably > and around $500. Plus it fits my style of riding better. > > It has the Heli-bars but no other mods. Not even slip > ons. The guy rode it > to work (about 3 blocks away; he lives downtown) and into > the mountains a > couple of times. Two more years on the extended service > plan ($25 to > change owners), he's had it serviced regularly and has > used a trickle > charger for when he's out of town (sales guy for > Microsoft; -$200 from the > price :-) > > Go me :-D > > (In fairness, Rita's got her eye on an old Goldwing > trike. She still can't > stand cornering on a bike.) > > Carl in Denver > > ===== > 02 Harley FXSTI > 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W > 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 07:27:58 2004 Subject: RE: Accident 7-16-04 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:27:50 -0400 From: "Smith, Andrew" To: , Brian - we're all glad you're safe and sound. To have as much clarity in your recall of the accident as you did is worth commending. You'll be back on in no time by the sounds of it. Good luck to you. I've found the horn on almost all motorbikes to be puny to the point of uselessness when travelling at speed or trying to warn anything larger than a guinea pig out of the way. I've often wondered if it would be possible to retrofit something like this to the bike... Or my bicycle for that matter. They sure wouldn't miss hearing you then, and you might even be able to blast them out of the way with the percussive soundwave :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24846 30178&category=42606 Cheers, /Andy From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 08:18:38 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Rob Keiser'" , jkalmes@XXXXXX, RichardW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, asmith@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:18:01 -0400 Is anyone still going to Bethesda for lunch. If not I'll trek down to great falls. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:26 PM To: jkalmes@XXXXXX; RichardW@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; asmith@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon This place is in Great Falls, Not Falls Church. Reston Parkway, Left on Rt. 7, Right on Georgetown Pike 193...not far. If I make it , it'll be more like 11:30 to 12:30 as I have to be back in Reston by 1 for a meeting. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Richard Westbrook" ,"Rob Keiser" ,,"Smith, Andrew" Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:21:54 -0400 Is anyone still going to On The Border in Herndon tomorrow? I and a work buddy are both planning on going... Falls Church is a bit too out of the way for us to make that one. --smthng Ps. Please reply to the list, as I have multiple email accounts and I won't be able to check my work address (this one) again until tomorrow. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:59 PM To: Richard Westbrook; Rob Keiser; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Smith, Andrew' Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > I work out in Herndon and would like to meet for lunch if you guys are still > doing it. Just a reminder that we do have a group meeting at noon at the Old Irish Brogue in Great Falls, which is convenient to Reston/Herndon and Tyson's. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 08:49:23 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:49:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: New (to me) bike purchase To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tom Gimer wrote: > $500 is enough to make one choose one of the ugliest > machines on the planet over the bike of the year? wow. > I dunno. I like the look and more importantly, I like the way I fit. Being a taller and wider guy, the mirrors are set so I can see correctly to my rear. The bike is longer and the bars are set so I'm not scrunched over. I think I'll enjoy this one just as much as the Harley which is a good thing. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 95 Suzuki GSXR 750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 08:56:33 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 05:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 To: DC Cycles Thanks for all the kind words and thoughts. While most of you have never met me, being part of such community has great value. I'm going to try to follow-up on all of the public and private responses with one message, to save on the one handed-typing. Hope ya'll don't mind. ;-) The van: Apparently they stopped of their own accord. Very surprising, and makes me think much better of them. It would have been very easy for them to keep going, and they probably would never have been found. I think they were cited for the accident. If so, it *should* make the insurance/money issues easier, though that may involve an atorney. I'm requesting a copy of the accident report, so we'll see. Another somewhat touching point. I think the passenger, the driver's wife, was the EMT who did the initial care. Damn, that will make a lawsuit personally more difficult. Doesn't absolve them from causing it, but does change the emotional process. The bike: at this point, I'm letting the insurance handle it. I'd almost prefer it be totaled, as it would make things much easier. Give me more time to decide what to do when and if I return to riding. If I do, it will probably be a different bike. A KLR650 has always been tempting..... I'm happy how my gear performed. The greatest leasson is to make sure seperates have zippers, that the zippers match, and to use them. My back would be much prettier if the jacket hadn't rode up. I should make a full recovery. I'm calling up doctors today to see about appointments. I'll need follow-up from a level-1 trauma doc, to find an orthopedist (sp?) for my shoulder/back, and probably some physical therapy. Whohoo! Be careful out there. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 08:57:37 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Accident 7-16-04 On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Smith, Andrew wrote: > I've found the horn on almost all motorbikes to be puny to the point of > uselessness when travelling at speed or trying to warn anything larger ... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24846 > 30178&category=42606 JC Whitless: http://tinyurl.com/72ba2 -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 09:09:48 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" Cc: Subject: Re: 600 Sport or similar Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:12:59 -0400 Not exactly what he's looking for, but I'll have the following for sale soon: 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200, about 18k miles (gotta look) Black, naked. -GSXR intake cam -Stage III Holeshot jet kit (K&N filter pods) -Full Holeshot exhaust (go to www.holeshot.com -- they make lotsa Bandit stuff). -5* ignition advancer -Stainless steel brake lines and HH pads front and rear -Superbike bars with CRG "lane splitter" bar-ends (nice billet construction with a joint to fold back) -Oversize oil cooler w/ stainless steel lines -Holeshot Flyscreen (actually a Buell flyscreen with adapter hardware) -Suzuki tank bra I've got the stock exhaust and air box. The bike is not cosmetically perfect. I went down a year and a half ago on the right hand side--I replaced everything but the canister, passenger peg, and the flyscreen--all of which got a bit of rash. The tank also got a very small ding under the bra. Additionally, the tank has one spot of paint missing from a rock tossed by some stinking ovloV or mommy van...that happened before break-in was complete. The rest of the tank has some surface imperfections from the ever-present tankbag...I'm pretty sure they'll come out with rubbing compound when I clean her up. I need to get the exhaust re-coated (the jet-hot is flaking off a bit). The BT 010s on it now are about 1/2 through their lifespan, so new rubber, too. Of course, an offer "as-is" drops the price by the amount that I'd spend getting her all purtied up. Looking at cycletrader, 2001 Bandits are going from $6k plus for new leftovers down to $3500 for major crash damaged. $4.5K seems ballpark for a cosmetic gem with some goodies, so, I'll ask $4k for a clean version, $3.5k before I re-coat the headers and change the tires. Nothing really changed from 2001 to present on 1200 Bandits. I'm probably more apt to deal on price before I take the trouble to bag, tag, and mail the headers off to jet-hot....I work long hours and time is at a premium for me. I wouldn't recommend this bike to a beginner; it is not slow. Full throttle in first gear is loop-out land. But I wouldn't recommend any 600cc sportbike to a beginner, either. I'd recommend a 1983 KZ/CB/etc. 650 or 750 to a large beginner. Or maybe a dualsport. Something to drop and not cry over. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: WTB: 600 Sport or similar > I've got a friend who's been itching to buy a buy a bike and it looks > like he's ready to take the plunge. He's looking for a smallish rocket > (At least it's smallish in my opinion)... something like a YZF 600, CBR > 600 or similar. Anyone got one in decent shape up for grabs? I'm going > to point him to some of the local dealers, classifieds, e-bay, etc., > just wanted to see if there was an opportunity out amongst the listers > first. Thanks. > > --smthng > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 09:09:55 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Silvera@XXXXXX, lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:09:47 -0400 I had hoped to meet in Bethesda (I love Cajun...) but have too much going on at work. I'm taking the rest of the week off and will be riding out to Falling Water with my wife. In addition, I'm leaving my current assignment at the end of the month, so today is just crazy. BTW: My new assignment will have me commuting to Crystal City (2345 Crystal Drive). There is an underground garage so hopefully parking for the bike won't be an issue. Any advice on good places, or places to avoid will be appreciated, however. Perry >From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" >To: "'Rob Keiser'" , jkalmes@XXXXXX, >RichardW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, asmith@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 08:18:01 -0400 > >Is anyone still going to Bethesda for lunch. If not I'll trek down to great >falls. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] >Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:26 PM >To: jkalmes@XXXXXX; RichardW@XXXXXX; >dc-cycles@XXXXXX; asmith@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon > >This place is in Great Falls, Not Falls Church. > >Reston Parkway, Left on Rt. 7, Right on Georgetown Pike 193...not far. > >If I make it , it'll be more like 11:30 to 12:30 as I have to be back in >Reston by 1 for a meeting. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: "Richard Westbrook" ,"Rob Keiser" >,,"Smith, Andrew" > >Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon >Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:21:54 -0400 > >Is anyone still going to On The Border in Herndon tomorrow? I and a >work buddy are both planning on going... Falls Church is a bit too out >of the way for us to make that one. > >--smthng > >Ps. Please reply to the list, as I have multiple email accounts and I >won't be able to check my work address (this one) again until tomorrow. >Thanks. > >-----Original Message----- >From: pltrgyst@XXXXXX [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:59 PM >To: Richard Westbrook; Rob Keiser; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Smith, >Andrew' >Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st > >--- Richard Westbrook wrote: > > I work out in Herndon and would like to meet for lunch if you guys are >still > > doing it. > >Just a reminder that we do have a group meeting at noon at the Old Irish >Brogue >in Great Falls, which is convenient to Reston/Herndon and Tyson's. > >-- Larry > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! >http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 09:12:52 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 06:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 To: Brian Ray , DC Cycles You need to not personalize the van occupants. Based on our legal system you are going to collenct a good amound for pain and suffering. Typically (Gimer?) that is 3x-5x your medical costs. Good luck! --- Brian Ray wrote: > Thanks for all the kind words and thoughts. While > most of you have never met me, being part of such > community has great value. > > I'm going to try to follow-up on all of the public > and > private responses with one message, to save on the > one > handed-typing. Hope ya'll don't mind. ;-) > > The van: Apparently they stopped of their own > accord. > Very surprising, and makes me think much better of > them. It would have been very easy for them to keep > going, and they probably would never have been > found. > I think they were cited for the accident. If so, it > *should* make the insurance/money issues easier, > though that may involve an atorney. I'm requesting > a > copy of the accident report, so we'll see. > > Another somewhat touching point. I think the > passenger, the driver's wife, was the EMT who did > the > initial care. Damn, that will make a lawsuit > personally more difficult. Doesn't absolve them > from > causing it, but does change the emotional process. > > The bike: at this point, I'm letting the insurance > handle it. I'd almost prefer it be totaled, as it > would make things much easier. Give me more time to > decide what to do when and if I return to riding. > If > I do, it will probably be a different bike. A > KLR650 > has always been tempting..... > > I'm happy how my gear performed. The greatest > leasson > is to make sure seperates have zippers, that the > zippers match, and to use them. My back would be > much > prettier if the jacket hadn't rode up. > > I should make a full recovery. I'm calling up > doctors > today to see about appointments. I'll need > follow-up > from a level-1 trauma doc, to find an orthopedist > (sp?) for my shoulder/back, and probably some > physical > therapy. Whohoo! > > Be careful out there. > > Brian > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 10:01:55 2004 Subject: RE: 600 Sport or similar Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:01:51 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Jon Strang" Cc: I appreciate the offer, but it's way too much bike for the newbie. He's got his heart set on a crotch rocket, but I managed to talk him down from a 1000cc to a 600cc after scaring the cr@p out of him on the back of my FZ1. I doubt I can get him into anything less, although I am trying! I'm also going to see if I can get him into the MSF class real quick so he can at least see what the smaller CC cycles feel like. I had almost the same mods on my Seca II as you do on your bandit and I know how much that woke up the Seca. You've got twice as much engine under there than I did, so I imagine that thing really hauls. :) Add the fact that my friend (co-worker is more appropriate) has no clue how to fix ANYTHING... While I have a hard enough time just helping him out to get a crotch rocket, there's no way I could recommend your beastie to him! It's kind of a shame I didn't know about it before I got my FZ1. :) I might know a few others who would be interested in your bandit though. I'll let you know if I find someone. Thanks anyway! --smthng -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:13 AM To: Jonathan W. Kalmes Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 600 Sport or similar Not exactly what he's looking for, but I'll have the following for sale soon: 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200, about 18k miles (gotta look) Black, naked. -GSXR intake cam -Stage III Holeshot jet kit (K&N filter pods) -Full Holeshot exhaust (go to www.holeshot.com -- they make lotsa Bandit stuff). -5* ignition advancer -Stainless steel brake lines and HH pads front and rear -Superbike bars with CRG "lane splitter" bar-ends (nice billet construction with a joint to fold back) -Oversize oil cooler w/ stainless steel lines -Holeshot Flyscreen (actually a Buell flyscreen with adapter hardware) -Suzuki tank bra I've got the stock exhaust and air box. The bike is not cosmetically perfect. I went down a year and a half ago on the right hand side--I replaced everything but the canister, passenger peg, and the flyscreen--all of which got a bit of rash. The tank also got a very small ding under the bra. Additionally, the tank has one spot of paint missing from a rock tossed by some stinking ovloV or mommy van...that happened before break-in was complete. The rest of the tank has some surface imperfections from the ever-present tankbag...I'm pretty sure they'll come out with rubbing compound when I clean her up. I need to get the exhaust re-coated (the jet-hot is flaking off a bit). The BT 010s on it now are about 1/2 through their lifespan, so new rubber, too. Of course, an offer "as-is" drops the price by the amount that I'd spend getting her all purtied up. Looking at cycletrader, 2001 Bandits are going from $6k plus for new leftovers down to $3500 for major crash damaged. $4.5K seems ballpark for a cosmetic gem with some goodies, so, I'll ask $4k for a clean version, $3.5k before I re-coat the headers and change the tires. Nothing really changed from 2001 to present on 1200 Bandits. I'm probably more apt to deal on price before I take the trouble to bag, tag, and mail the headers off to jet-hot....I work long hours and time is at a premium for me. I wouldn't recommend this bike to a beginner; it is not slow. Full throttle in first gear is loop-out land. But I wouldn't recommend any 600cc sportbike to a beginner, either. I'd recommend a 1983 KZ/CB/etc. 650 or 750 to a large beginner. Or maybe a dualsport. Something to drop and not cry over. --jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: WTB: 600 Sport or similar > I've got a friend who's been itching to buy a buy a bike and it looks > like he's ready to take the plunge. He's looking for a smallish rocket > (At least it's smallish in my opinion)... something like a YZF 600, CBR > 600 or similar. Anyone got one in decent shape up for grabs? I'm going > to point him to some of the local dealers, classifieds, e-bay, etc., > just wanted to see if there was an opportunity out amongst the listers > first. Thanks. > > --smthng > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 10:06:34 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:06:31 -0400 From: stephen@XXXXXX To: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" Cc: "'Rob Keiser'" , jkalmes@XXXXXX, RichardW@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, asmith@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride to Work/Ride to Lunch July 21st - Herndon X-Sent-Via: Mitel Networks SME Server I'm going to Bethesda .. on my bicycle .. I'll explain at Louisianna Express. Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 10:09:40 2004 Subject: Ride to Lunch and question about Fish and thanks to Brian Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:09:32 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: Is this an 11:30 sharp departure from CC? what is at the intersection of CC and 20th? Also How is Fish doing, any news on insurance recomp for the bike? Brian, Glad that you are relatively ok, my advice after you are healed up would be to find a good physiotherapist and do some mobility\strengthening work. Your e-mail is to be praised for its candor. Good luck with the settlement. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 10:18:58 2004 From: To: "Smith, Andrew" , , Subject: Re: RE: Accident 7-16-04 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 10:18:49 -0400 I'm coming into this thread a bit late, but when faced with a person who wants to share my lane, my preferred response is to gas it. Depending, of course, on how much overlap there is. LOUD aftermarket horns are nice, too. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 10:34:10 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch and question about Fish and thanks to Brian To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Julian Halton wrote: > > Is this an 11:30 sharp departure from CC? what is at the > intersection of > CC and 20th? > > Also How is Fish doing, any news on insurance recomp for > the bike? > > Brian, > > Glad that you are relatively ok, my advice after you are > healed up would > be to find a good physiotherapist and do some > mobility\strengthening > work. Your e-mail is to be praised for its candor. Good > luck with the > settlement. especially if he keeps posting publicly about what he could have done differently! sheesh! brian, glad you're ok, all things considered.... but keep your statements to a minimum if you're pursuing a claim! -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 11:04:42 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:04:42 -0400 Since water doesn't mix with DOT 5 it ends up sitting in the bottom of the caliper rusting the thing out. So you have to change it more often to prevent the water from rusting it out. Since water mixes with Dot3/4/5.2 thw water doesn't sit in the bottom of the caliper rusting it out. Rob On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:36:30 EDT, PenguinBiker wrote > In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:34:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > omni@XXXXXX writes: > > > not true for DOT 5 though. It isn't hygroscopic, and it doesn't eat > > paint like the others do. > > True. > I did not bother to point that out because the vast majority of > bikes (etc.) use stuff that is/does and over caution is better then > under. Shudda known I would get called on it #:-) > > John. > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 11:22:52 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:20:00 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? At 11:36 PM 7/20/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:34:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >omni@XXXXXX writes: > >> not true for DOT 5 though. It isn't hygroscopic, and it doesn't eat >> paint like the others do. > >True. >I did not bother to point that out because the vast majority of bikes (etc.) >use stuff that is/does and over caution is better then under. True on both points. Especially the later. >Shudda known I would get called on it #:-) True again! You're batting 1000! ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 11:22:54 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:23:22 -0400 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 At 11:53 PM 7/20/04 EDT, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 7/20/2004 10:05:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >dm_gsxr@XXXXXX writes: > >> On the horn vs slow, I seem to be paying >> more thought lately to just getting out of the way instead of trying to >> argue the point. > >What seems to happen to me is that if I "need" the horn I am _way_ to busy to >use it. Only use the horn when you have plenty of time to do something else >if you need to. I get out of the way first, and then, if there's time, I hit the horn...unless I can do both at the same time (getting out of the way has priority). They are already screwing up, or I wouldn't have the problem in the first place, so why should I count on them to suddenly become competent and cooperative just because I toot my squeaker at them? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 11:37:13 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:36:45 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 600 Sport or similar Maybe point him toward that new Suzuki GS500F ? Great beginner bike, and now kinda stylish. - Roach Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > I appreciate the offer, but it's way too much bike for the newbie. He's > got his heart set on a crotch rocket, but I managed to talk him down > from a 1000cc to a 600cc after scaring the cr@p out of him on the back > of my FZ1. I doubt I can get him into anything less, although I am > trying! I'm also going to see if I can get him into the MSF class real > quick so he can at least see what the smaller CC cycles feel like. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 11:37:25 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:37:56 -0400 To: "Smith, Andrew" , , From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Accident 7-16-04 At 07:27 AM 7/21/04 -0400, Smith, Andrew wrote: >than a guinea pig out of the way. I've often wondered if it would be >possible to retrofit something like this to the bike... Or my bicycle >for that matter. They sure wouldn't miss hearing you then, and you might >even be able to blast them out of the way with the percussive soundwave >:) > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24846 >30178&category=42606 You can try...maybe mount them along the top of the bars, and mount the compressor/tank on your luggage rack? 100 psi is pretty high though...wouldn't want to be near the tank if it ruptures in a crash! There are smaller versions of these things that don't require so much push to make them work, usually a small electric pump. They aren't as loud, but they are loud enough: http://www.howardshorns.com/ (check the "Dynamic Duo") One of the local H.O.G.s has something like these, and they are louder than any car horn I've heard...including the ones on the old 60's "boats", not just the little import beepers. There are more possibilities at: http://www.wolo-mfg.com/motorcycle.htm -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 11:47:18 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:46:45 -0400 To: "Rob Sharp" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Bleed vs. buy? At 11:04 AM 7/21/04 -0400, Rob Sharp wrote: >Since water doesn't mix with DOT 5 it ends up sitting in the bottom of the >caliper rusting the thing out. So you have to change it more often to prevent >the water from rusting it out. > >Since water mixes with Dot3/4/5.2 thw water doesn't sit in the bottom of the >caliper rusting it out. Sounds like with Do3/4/5.2 you have to change all the fluid fairly freque4ntly, since it will absorb water and could result in freeze problems and/or rust anywhere in the system. With DOT 5 you just need to bleed the brakes enough to get the water out...and a bleeder at the lowest point in the system would be a handy idea for that. On the other hand, DOT 5 isn't going to pull water into the system as much as the others will. I dunno. I'm just going to do what the manual recommends and count on Harley knowing what they are talking about with respect to maintenance intervals. They've got a lot more experience with it than I do. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 14:13:06 2004 Subject: Bike Show 25 July, Carlisle PA Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:12:55 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "DC Cycles" Bike Show: Carlisle, PA July 25th Is anyone riding out there? Apparently Orange County Choppers will be making an appearance. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 14:41:14 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:41:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles Subject: Nice Lunch / nice ride Well, it wouldn't be Ride to Work Day unless it is sweltering, and today didn't disappoint. We had about 12 riders show up in Great Falls, after a good run out the Parkway and Georgetown Pike. Thanks to Larry for naming the time and place. Maybe we should do this more than once a year. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 15:14:30 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Nice Lunch / nice ride Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:14:23 -0400 Yes, thanks Larry. That was a good place to meet. Sorry I had to eat and dash. And to answer your questions, no, I didn't make it on time to my meeting. The VFR is fast, but not THAT FAST! ;) Traffic sux! Rob '98 VFR800 From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: DC Cycles Subject: Nice Lunch / nice ride Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:41:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Well, it wouldn't be Ride to Work Day unless it is sweltering, and today didn't disappoint. We had about 12 riders show up in Great Falls, after a good run out the Parkway and Georgetown Pike. Thanks to Larry for naming the time and place. Maybe we should do this more than once a year. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 15:26:45 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:26:40 -0400 From: Steve Goldenberg To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Follow up - living in DC with a bike First, thank you all for the advice on buying, insuring and registering a bike in DC. It's really wonderful to join such a great group of people. I hope to offer as much as I receive... I'm completed the registration and insurance process in MD and I wanted to share my experiences. Please take these at face value - I'm simply sharing my observations and interpretations of what I went through and I'm not a lawyer so this is by no means definitive. With that being said, I was able to title and register my motorcycle in Maryland. A friend offered me the use of ther Silver Spring house for a few months a year and, with her address, I was able to register the bike without any problem at the Maryland Vehicle Administration. One portion of the application asks for a MD drivers license number - this is NOT required. If you do not have one, you simply tell them that and they ask for your date of birthday instead. From what I can discern from the process this is legal and legitimate in the eyes of the state. To register I needed a current MD inspection certificate and a proof of ownership (this was the current title with my information filled out on the back). I also needed a bill of sale signed by me and the woman who owned the bike before me. There were 2 fees I had to pay - a registration fee and an excise tax. The registration fee was $97 for a 2 year registration (you can get a one-year for $48.50) . The excise tax was 5% of the bike value. If you want to set the price yourself, you need to have a notarized copy of the bill of sale. If you don't have a notarized copy, they use a used-vehicle guide to determine the bike's worth (it was $600 more than what I paid for my bike and a few hundred more than what the Kelly Blue Book put it at) and I paid 5% of that value. Finally, my insurance package with Progressive was fine using the MD location as long as I keep the bike in the my friend's zip code 6 months out of the year. I realize that this will be a pain but it saved me over 30% on my insurance. I've gone one a few long rides with the bike so far and all I can say is WOW. This is an amazing sport/hobby/past-time - I don't know how I've gone without it for so long!! -Steve Goldenberg From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 15:31:20 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Follow up - living in DC with a bike Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:31:12 -0400 Steve, Just a thought: Move out of DC altogether and probably save 30% or more on just about everything... ;^) Perry >From: Steve Goldenberg >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Follow up - living in DC with a bike >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:26:40 -0400 > [snip] >Finally, my insurance package with Progressive was fine using the MD >location as long as I keep the bike in the my friend's zip code 6 >months out of the year. I realize that this will be a pain but it >saved me over 30% on my insurance. [snip] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page )B– FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 15:34:29 2004 Subject: understanding what goes on in a twisty Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:34:21 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: The correct answer to this question is don't go there..but bear with me, let's play the what-if game and help me understand the physics and natural laws involved. You are approaching an "S" curve....the posted speed limit is 25mph. Feeling confident you enter the curve at 50 mph..You are close to the yellow line on your left. Your confidence turned into assumption and you realize too late that the second part of the "S" turn is tighter than the first and the posted speed is 15mph. Due to some throttle roll on you are at 57mph as you hit the second curve. The guard rail grabs your attention and your lean angle is inadequate. You are running out of turn space and you realize that you have screwed the pooch. Options: ....you hit the front and rear brake while attempting to straighten. You are now bleeding speed but heading towards the guard rail. Your rear tire is moving back and forth like a fish out of water. You continue slowing and drift of the road, the guard rail about two inches away from your front fender. -Does trail braking here provide traction or does this increase the distance you need to make the turn in? .....Despite being fixated on the guard rail and rapidly running out of space, you increase your speed and a Bostrom like lean lets you shoot through the curve with inches to spare. -Does adding speed actually decrease the distance needed to make the turn in a proper line? -Should you risk a slide out by leaning until sparks are flying from your knee-pad or foot peg? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 15:40:12 2004 Subject: RE: Nice Lunch / nice ride Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 15:40:07 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Yes, thanks much to all involved. It was good to meet everyone. We really should do it more often (but not too often... I can't swing 2 hour lunches on a regular basis). :) But, speaking of meeting people... I don't think I ever did do an introduction, so here it is: I'm Jonathan, but you may also see the occaisional message from "smthng" depending on which account I'm using to send. I'm, uh, 30-ish... Married... Live in Springfield. I currently alternate between my Avalanche and my Yamaha FZ1, depending on where I'm going or what I'm doing. I've been through a number of bikes, each making me happier than the last (with a couple of minor exceptions). I learned on a friend's Harley Davidson trail bike (no idea what it was called). My first bike that I owned was a 1973 Suzuki GT 750 (3 cylinder 2-stroke) in Florida. I left it behind when I moved up here and bought a Seca II. That got traded in for a YZF 600. I kept that for a while and also got a Voyager, which eventually had it's fuel injection system die. Then I got Honda Shadow ACE in order to make room for the wife on the back (she didn't like the perch on the YZF, which I sold). Then I got my blue FZ1 and am happy again. :) I'm slowly working my way up to my FJR1300. *drool* I'm a techie, doing system design and implementation for a small startup consulting firm. That's about it. Glad to meet some of you and hopefully I'll bump into a few more. :) --smthng 01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:viffermaniac@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:41 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Nice Lunch / nice ride Well, it wouldn't be Ride to Work Day unless it is sweltering, and today didn't disappoint. We had about 12 riders show up in Great Falls, after a good run out the Parkway and Georgetown Pike. Thanks to Larry for naming the time and place. Maybe we should do this more than once a year. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:14:25 2004 Subject: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:14:20 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Hey all... Got another request. I'm in need of a good Yamaha mechanic. I've been on a Honda for a while and found that all the Yamaha mechanics I knew are gone. :( I'm real close to ordering my Yoshimura slip-on and a Factory jet kit for my FZ1 (the same combo I've put on every Yamaha I've owned and I love it!). I can handle the slip-on with no problem, but I need someone else to do the jetting (I will probably order the jet kit from whoever does the install - I don't mind paying a bit more than online prices if it will help make sure it gets done right). I know it's real easy to mess up a jet kit, but not real easy to do it right. Any recommendations on who I should go to for this? Any input would be appreciated. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:32:02 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:20:37 -0400 Champion in Herndon is pretty good. A lot of people seem happy w/ Nick there. Just ordered a Yosh slip-on for my SV, can't wait. >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Need a Yamaha mechanic >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:14:20 -0400 > >Hey all... Got another request. I'm in need of a good Yamaha mechanic. >I've been on a Honda for a while and found that all the Yamaha mechanics >I knew are gone. :( > >I'm real close to ordering my Yoshimura slip-on and a Factory jet kit >for my FZ1 (the same combo I've put on every Yamaha I've owned and I >love it!). I can handle the slip-on with no problem, but I need someone >else to do the jetting (I will probably order the jet kit from whoever >does the install - I don't mind paying a bit more than online prices if >it will help make sure it gets done right). I know it's real easy to >mess up a jet kit, but not real easy to do it right. Any >recommendations on who I should go to for this? Any input would be >appreciated. > >--smthng > >'01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and >seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:34:07 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: jkalmes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:33:59 -0400 Might want to pick a place with a Dyno to get the best results. I know that Battley Cycles and CAD Cycles has them, but not sure what they'd charge. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:14:20 -0400 Hey all... Got another request. I'm in need of a good Yamaha mechanic. I've been on a Honda for a while and found that all the Yamaha mechanics I knew are gone. :( I'm real close to ordering my Yoshimura slip-on and a Factory jet kit for my FZ1 (the same combo I've put on every Yamaha I've owned and I love it!). I can handle the slip-on with no problem, but I need someone else to do the jetting (I will probably order the jet kit from whoever does the install - I don't mind paying a bit more than online prices if it will help make sure it gets done right). I know it's real easy to mess up a jet kit, but not real easy to do it right. Any recommendations on who I should go to for this? Any input would be appreciated. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:40:29 2004 Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:40:24 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Hey Rich... Who did you order the Yosh from and which one did you get, if you don't mind me asking? I have a couple of online sourcecs already (one with a nice discount for the FZ1 Owners group), but still would prefer to find one cheaper if possible. If I can get the Yosh cheap enough, I can do the jet at the same time instead of having to wait a bit for the jet. I'll give Nick a call tomorrow and see how much he wants for the job... He's out today. Thanks. --smthng -----Original Message----- From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:21 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Champion in Herndon is pretty good. A lot of people seem happy w/ Nick there. Just ordered a Yosh slip-on for my SV, can't wait. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:52:20 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:52:09 -0400 Subject: Re: understanding what goes on in a twisty From: Randy Moran To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX On Wednesday, July 21, 2004, at 03:34 PM, Julian Halton wrote: > The correct answer to this question is don't go there..but bear with > me, > let's play the what-if game and help me understand the physics and > natural laws involved. (RPM) I don't know from physics or natural law, but I'll take my shot at this one. > You are approaching an "S" curve....the posted speed limit is 25mph. > Feeling confident you enter the curve at 50 mph..You are close to the > yellow line on your left. (RPM) Which way are you turning, left or right? This is important because it speaks to lane positioning at the entrance to a turn. If you are turning left, then close to the yellow line is not where you want to be on entry. If you're turning right then you're ok, though, in both cases, you need to be alert for oncoming traffic crossing the yellow. > Your confidence turned into assumption and you realize too late that > the second part of the "S" turn is tighter than the first and the > posted > speed is 15mph. Due to some throttle roll on you are at 57mph as you > hit the second curve. The guard rail grabs your attention and your lean > angle is inadequate. You are running out of turn space and you realize > that you have screwed the pooch. (RPM) Why are you looking at the speedo? It doesn't matter how fast you're going. That is not something you need to know. You need to be looking through the turn. Not at the speedo and not at the guardrail. > Options: > > ....you hit the front and rear brake while attempting to straighten. > You are now bleeding speed but heading towards the guard rail. Your > rear tire is moving back and forth like a fish out of water. You > continue slowing and drift of the road, the guard rail about two inches > away from your front fender. (RPM) This is usually NOT the way to go. It's mostly the result of panic and I've noticed, watching several of these types of incidents over the years, that if you can manage to get the bike stopped before the guardrail, it's quite likely you weren't going fast enough to need to abort the turn in the first place. > -Does trail braking here provide traction or does this increase the > distance you need to make the turn in? (RPM) Trail braking does not 'provide traction'. Trail braking uses a varying amount of available traction, most importantly as it concerns the front tire. Done in an expert manner, trail braking will actually decrease the space you need to make the turn, by allowing you to turn in more sharply. HOWEVER, you will need to be very conscious of the fact that you will be asking a huge amount from the front tire, and that the further over you're leaned, the more likely you are to lose (tuck) the front end under braking. > .....Despite being fixated on the guard rail and rapidly running out of > space, you increase your speed and a Bostrom like lean lets you shoot > through the curve with inches to spare. (RPM) That's a nice trick that few can manage. Usually, being "fixated on the guardrail" means that you're about to be running into it. > -Does adding speed actually decrease the distance needed to make the > turn in a proper line? (RPM) Adding speed should INCREASE the distance necessary to make the turn, given that lean angle in not increased to compensate. > -Should you risk a slide out by leaning until sparks are flying from > your knee-pad or foot peg? (RPM) If it's a choice between that and eating armco, then I'd go with the leaning. Most of the time it only looks like you can't make it, though. Usually the bike is capable of a lot more than one thinks. Just my .02 Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:55:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:43:39 -0400 Champion has a dyno too. >From: "Rob Keiser" >To: jkalmes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:33:59 -0400 > >Might want to pick a place with a Dyno to get the best results. > >I know that Battley Cycles and CAD Cycles has them, but not sure what >they'd charge. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: "DC Cycles" >Subject: Need a Yamaha mechanic >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:14:20 -0400 > >Hey all... Got another request. I'm in need of a good Yamaha mechanic. >I've been on a Honda for a while and found that all the Yamaha mechanics >I knew are gone. :( > >I'm real close to ordering my Yoshimura slip-on and a Factory jet kit >for my FZ1 (the same combo I've put on every Yamaha I've owned and I >love it!). I can handle the slip-on with no problem, but I need someone >else to do the jetting (I will probably order the jet kit from whoever >does the install - I don't mind paying a bit more than online prices if >it will help make sure it gets done right). I know it's real easy to >mess up a jet kit, but not real easy to do it right. Any >recommendations on who I should go to for this? Any input would be >appreciated. > >--smthng > >'01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and >seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! > > _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:55:27 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:55:19 -0400 I got the stainless, regular mount, oval, race baffle slip-on. Ended up w/ JC Motors out of Cali via Ebay. Not sure how the #s will compare but I got it for $255 plus $15 for shipping. They have a lot of stuff up for the SVs. They had a Ti can for what I thougth was a good deal, but I just wanted a stainless, called them up, quoted me $285. Looked at Ebay a lil while later and there it was, not sure if it was coincidence or not. Next best was AZ Motorsports w/ an SVRider discount. Guy told me take list, knock off 10% for there cost and 10% SVRider Discount, so depending on if that's 20% of 10 then 10%, they were either $260 or $257. Plus $15 for shipping. I also used Froogle, type in what you want, it spits out places & prices. Terra Powersports and ?Indy Supersports were close. Cycle Center of Denton (TX) has an SVRider discount too. I used www.pipecity.com as my basis, well organized site, decent prices $300 including shipping there. >From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >To: >Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:40:24 -0400 > >Hey Rich... Who did you order the Yosh from and which one did you get, >if you don't mind me asking? > >I have a couple of online sourcecs already (one with a nice discount for >the FZ1 Owners group), but still would prefer to find one cheaper if >possible. If I can get the Yosh cheap enough, I can do the jet at the >same time instead of having to wait a bit for the jet. > >I'll give Nick a call tomorrow and see how much he wants for the job... >He's out today. Thanks. > >--smthng > >-----Original Message----- >From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:21 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic > >Champion in Herndon is pretty good. A lot of people seem happy w/ Nick >there. >Just ordered a Yosh slip-on for my SV, can't wait. > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 17:56:02 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" CC: "DC Cycles" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:55:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Need a Yamaha mechanic Cycle Sport on Rt. 1 in Alexandria is a good Yamaha shop pretty close to where you live. Ask for Matt Cohn in the Service Dept. when you call. Cycle Sport 7800 Richmond Hwy Alexandria, VA 22306-7824 703-780-1245 -Sean Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Hey all... Got another request. I'm in need of a good Yamaha mechanic. > I've been on a Honda for a while and found that all the Yamaha mechanics > I knew are gone. :( > > I'm real close to ordering my Yoshimura slip-on and a Factory jet kit > for my FZ1 (the same combo I've put on every Yamaha I've owned and I > love it!). I can handle the slip-on with no problem, but I need someone > else to do the jetting (I will probably order the jet kit from whoever > does the install - I don't mind paying a bit more than online prices if > it will help make sure it gets done right). I know it's real easy to > mess up a jet kit, but not real easy to do it right. Any > recommendations on who I should go to for this? Any input would be > appreciated. > > --smthng > > '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and > seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 18:40:50 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Nice Lunch / nice ride Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:40:41 -0400 > Well, it wouldn't be Ride to Work Day unless it is > sweltering, and today didn't disappoint. What do you expect from an organization based in northern Minnesota ;-) They haven't done a "DC Summer" yet, otherwise, they'd schedule it for May. Nice meeting you all today. Michael J. Yellow VStrom From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 19:18:03 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 19:17:54 -0400 Forgot, CAD gives NESBA & racers discounts. Cost plus 20%. >From: "rich hall" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:55:19 -0400 > >I got the stainless, regular mount, oval, race baffle slip-on. >Ended up w/ JC Motors out of Cali via Ebay. Not sure how the #s will >compare but I got it for $255 plus $15 for shipping. They have a lot of >stuff up for the SVs. They had a Ti can for what I thougth was a good >deal, but I just wanted a stainless, called them up, quoted me $285. >Looked at Ebay a lil while later and there it was, not sure if it was >coincidence or not. >Next best was AZ Motorsports w/ an SVRider discount. Guy told me take >list, knock off 10% for there cost and 10% SVRider Discount, so depending >on if that's 20% of 10 then 10%, they were either $260 or $257. Plus $15 >for shipping. >I also used Froogle, type in what you want, it spits out places & prices. >Terra Powersports and ?Indy Supersports were close. >Cycle Center of Denton (TX) has an SVRider discount too. >I used www.pipecity.com as my basis, well organized site, decent prices >$300 including shipping there. > >>From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" >>To: >>Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic >>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:40:24 -0400 >> >>Hey Rich... Who did you order the Yosh from and which one did you get, >>if you don't mind me asking? >> >>I have a couple of online sourcecs already (one with a nice discount for >>the FZ1 Owners group), but still would prefer to find one cheaper if >>possible. If I can get the Yosh cheap enough, I can do the jet at the >>same time instead of having to wait a bit for the jet. >> >>I'll give Nick a call tomorrow and see how much he wants for the job... >>He's out today. Thanks. >> >>--smthng >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: rich hall [mailto:richallmc@XXXXXX] >>Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:21 PM >>To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >>Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic >> >>Champion in Herndon is pretty good. A lot of people seem happy w/ Nick >>there. >>Just ordered a Yosh slip-on for my SV, can't wait. >> >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page )B– FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 21:28:10 2004 Reply-To: From: "stephen" To: Subject: Trailer tag question Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:25:11 -0400 I went to the Maryland MVA site, but couldn't figure out the answer, so I decided to ask you lot: Q1: If I acquire a trailer in Virginia, how do I deal with tags and the MVA so I don't get ticketed on the way home? Q2: If this trailer is a gift, how can I best convince the MVA of this fact, or as with gifted motorcycles, will I have to pay taxes on a $600 vehicle? Thanks, Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 22:31:46 2004 Reply-To: From: "smthng" To: Subject: RE: Trailer tag question Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:31:26 -0400 I can only answer from the VA side of the house... If you get it from a distributor, they can cut you a temporary tag just like buying a car or cycle. Or... VA has a "REALLY temporary" tag available from DMV. It's basically a tag for buying and relocating vehicles. I *think* they offer them in both a single day and three day version. I have no idea what the cost is, but I doubt it's very much (I wouldn't expect it to be more than a couple of bucks). But... VA now has this "prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you live in the state" thing and I don't know if they would accept Maryland IDs. I'd imagine that Maryland can offer the same kind of thing though. No clue on taxes... every state is different and most of them seem to try to make it as complex as possible. --smthng -----Original Message----- From: stephen [mailto:stephen@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 9:25 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Trailer tag question I went to the Maryland MVA site, but couldn't figure out the answer, so I decided to ask you lot: Q1: If I acquire a trailer in Virginia, how do I deal with tags and the MVA so I don't get ticketed on the way home? Q2: If this trailer is a gift, how can I best convince the MVA of this fact, or as with gifted motorcycles, will I have to pay taxes on a $600 vehicle? Thanks, Stephen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 22:40:35 2004 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:40:25 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Michael Jordan CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Nice Lunch / nice ride Michael Jordan wrote: > They haven't done a "DC Summer" yet, otherwise, they'd schedule it for May. > > Nice meeting you all today. > > Michael J. > Yellow VStrom Sorry that Tracy and I didn't make the gathering, we did ride in today, she on her Concours, and me on the old Slowzuki since my Connie is on the back patio in the throes of a big maintenance job. She wasn't keen on riding out at lunchtime (too hot today) so we had a nice chef-salad lunch in the cafeteria at work. I did meet another guy at work today, rides a R6, hadn't seen his bike before, he's new to the Manassas area, wants me to show him some decent roads. Leon would be proud, first thing I asked him is how well he liked gravel? :) Ride safe, Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 23:26:40 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:26:28 EDT Subject: Re: Nice Lunch / nice ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2004 3:40:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jkalmes@XXXXXX writes: > got a Voyager, > which eventually had it's fuel injection system die. KZ1300? I would bet the problem was not the injection system... Not a lot of course... But I have seen a completely un-related problem blamed on the injection computer by the Kawasaki tech folks. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 23:36:39 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:36:19 EDT Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2004 11:37:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > There are smaller versions of these things that don't require so much push > to make them work, usually a small electric pump. The problem I have with these is that there is a delay between the time you push the button and the beep due to the need for the lines and horn to pressurize before the horn can sound. How long the delay is depends on how badly you need the horn. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 21 23:55:32 2004 Reply-To: From: "smthng" To: Subject: RE: Nice Lunch / nice ride Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:55:21 -0400 I'm reasonably certain it was the injector "brains" that went. The injector computer had it's own indicator light, which I originally thought was possessed... It would just go on an off for no apparent reason whenever it felt like it. Didn't seem to affect anything and the techies couldn't find anything wrong, so I just started ignoring it. Then, the bike would just die while driving. No gear changes, just flat open road... one minute everything was fine, then it was like someone just hit the kill switch. No warning, just cut off. Wouldn't fire after that at all unless I let it sit for half an hour. Then it would start right up again and be fine. Techies couldn't figure that out either. Finally, it started switching off EVERYTHING. Lights, horn, starter, everything. Just a dead hunk of metal and plastic. Still no luck with the techies and no one on any of the owner's forums or lists had a clue other than "the d@mn injection system". That's when it found a new home and became a spare parts bike for someone else. Ah well, doesn't really matter. It's gone! :) I wasn't overly attached to it anyway and it was too complex for me to work on. On top of that, the only thing I could rely on was that it would die at the drop of hat. I chalk that one up to "a learning experience". It was just more trouble than it was worth. --smthng -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nice Lunch / nice ride In a message dated 7/21/2004 3:40:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jkalmes@XXXXXX writes: > got a Voyager, > which eventually had it's fuel injection system die. KZ1300? I would bet the problem was not the injection system... Not a lot of course... But I have seen a completely un-related problem blamed on the injection computer by the Kawasaki tech folks. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 00:57:55 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:51:06 -0400 To: "Rob Keiser" , jkalmes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic At 05:33 PM 7/21/04 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: >I know that Battley Cycles and CAD Cycles has them, but not sure what they'd >charge. Don't quote me, but I *think* Battley's dyno runs are $50. It's on the sign in the service area. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 07:44:01 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:43:53 -0400 From: Steve Goldenberg To: DC Cycles Subject: What are your favorite rides out to the DE beaches? I'm spending next week working from the beaches in Delaware and I'm planning to ride our there. I thought I'd take the long way out and I wanted to ask if any of you had rides that you really like on the way out to DE (or ones that you like on the shore out there...) Please let me know if you have any! -Steve G From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 08:14:16 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Trailer tag question To: stephen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX a1: go to md mva first a2: sounds to me like the minimum excise tax is $32, irrespective of the existence of a notarized bill of sale for $1. --- stephen wrote: > I went to the Maryland MVA site, but couldn't figure out > the answer, so I > decided to ask you lot: > > Q1: If I acquire a trailer in Virginia, how do I deal > with tags and the MVA > so I don't get ticketed on the way home? > > Q2: If this trailer is a gift, how can I best convince > the MVA of this fact, > or as with gifted motorcycles, will I have to pay taxes > on a $600 vehicle? > > Thanks, > > Stephen > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 08:17:34 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic To: Mike Bartman , Rob Keiser , jkalmes@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:33 PM 7/21/04 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: > > >I know that Battley Cycles and CAD Cycles has them, but > not sure what they'd > >charge. > > Don't quote me, but I *think* Battley's dyno runs are > $50. It's on the > sign in the service area. battley's special this week -- $50 for the run and another $50 to give you the results! includes free hotdog. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 08:19:26 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: What are your favorite rides out to the DE beaches? To: Steve Goldenberg , DC Cycles boring as hell, imo, no matter which way you go. get there as quickly as possible (read 50->404) and then enjoy the shoreline. --- Steve Goldenberg wrote: > I'm spending next week working from the beaches in > Delaware and I'm > planning to ride our there. I thought I'd take the long > way out and I > wanted to ask if any of you had rides that you really > like on the way > out to DE (or ones that you like on the shore out > there...) Please let > me know if you have any! > > -Steve G > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 08:23:02 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What are your favorite rides out to the DE beaches? Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:22:55 -0400 Rt 1 over the Indian River Inlet is pretty sweet. My parents have a back way to Bethany, but no twisties. Go slow through the little towns. >From: Tom Gimer >To: Steve Goldenberg , DC Cycles > >Subject: Re: What are your favorite rides out to the DE beaches? >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) > >boring as hell, imo, no matter which way you go. get there >as quickly as possible (read 50->404) and then enjoy the >shoreline. > > > >--- Steve Goldenberg wrote: > > I'm spending next week working from the beaches in > > Delaware and I'm > > planning to ride our there. I thought I'd take the long > > way out and I > > wanted to ask if any of you had rides that you really > > like on the way > > out to DE (or ones that you like on the shore out > > there...) Please let > > me know if you have any! > > > > -Steve G > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 09:21:19 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: , Subject: Re: Trailer tag question Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:21:14 -0400 http://www.marylandmva.com/ On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:25:11 -0400, stephen wrote > I went to the Maryland MVA site, but couldn't figure out the answer, > so I decided to ask you lot: > > Q1: If I acquire a trailer in Virginia, how do I deal with tags and > the MVA so I don't get ticketed on the way home? > > Q2: If this trailer is a gift, how can I best convince the MVA of > this fact, or as with gifted motorcycles, will I have to pay taxes > on a $600 vehicle? > > Thanks, > > Stephen -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 09:52:43 2004 Subject: Best way to the beach Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:52:34 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Tom Gimer" , "Steve Goldenberg" , "DC Cycles" There are many back ways to the beach. They are the best way to go because there is little to no traffic and little to no badge-predators. The badge predators do cluster near the small towns so pay attention to any signs in those areas. Don't take the turnoff for OC and then the 404. Investigate a map and you will find roads like 312, 313 and 16 that are a lot more fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 10:14:15 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:14:12 -0400 From: Robert To: Steve Goldenberg Subject: Re: What are your favorite rides out to the DE beaches? Cc: DC Cycles Bring *lots* of DEET-laden bug spray. I spent last weekend at Assateague and got bitten in places I've never been bitten before... ;-) Robert On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:43:53 -0400, Steve Goldenberg wrote: > I'm spending next week working from the beaches in Delaware and I'm > planning to ride our there. I thought I'd take the long way out and I > wanted to ask if any of you had rides that you really like on the way > out to DE (or ones that you like on the shore out there...) Please let > me know if you have any! > > -Steve G > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 10:30:31 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:28:14 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Steve Goldenberg , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Best way to the beach -----Original Message----- There are many back ways to the beach. .. Don't take the turnoff for OC and then the 404. Investigate a map and you will find roads like 312, 313 and 16 that are a lot more fun. -------------- Del Rt. 16 is OK. Bear in mind that most of the Delmarva makes Illinois look mountainous by comparison. I helped moto-marshal a bicycle tour a few years ago and the route followed some back roads between Queenstown, Md. and the beaches, including an overnight camp at Tuckahoe State Park. I can't even begin to describe the route adequately, so get a good map and look for the thinner, less straight lines. :) Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 10:56:23 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > I have a couple of online sourcecs already (one with a nice discount for > the FZ1 Owners group), but still would prefer to find one cheaper if > possible. If I can get the Yosh cheap enough, I can do the jet at the > same time instead of having to wait a bit for the jet. > > I'll give Nick a call tomorrow and see how much he wants for the job... > He's out today. Thanks. > Take your best price you find online and head over to Champion. Chris in parts has always matched prices for me. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 11:09:23 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:09:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FZR600 track bike with lights FOR SALE If anyone is looking for a great first track or sport bike for not a lot of money, my '93 FZR600 is still for sale. $2500 OBO. It's anything but stock. Bodywork has been DIY re-painted with a Benetton Formula One-inspired multi-color scheme: red, green, yellow, and blue. Frame, swingarm, and fork are flat black. Bike has been down a couple of times at the track, but all the cosmetic damage has been DIY fixed -- which means it's fine as a track bike but not a pristine show it off at Starbucks in Rockville on Thursday night kind of bike. Tailpiece is an Airtech TZ piece that gives the bike a GP-like look. No turn signals (legal in VA). DIY brake light (DOT legal purchased from auto parts store) so that the bike is street legal (at least in VA). Passed inspection last year, but can't remember when it will expire. But here's what really makes the bike not stock and such a good track or backroads twisties bike: Front end has been Race Tech'ed with stiffer springs and gold valve emulators. Plus it has a very beefy custom front fork brace. The front end of this bike is very planted. Rear shock is a Fox Twin Clicker. Raised rear ride height. Bike turns in very quickly, which means you can wait much later to tip it in. This is a very easy bike to confidently learn how to drag knee on. Best way to describe the handling is: very R6 like. I've ridden it back-to-back with a stock R6 and it's surprising how favorably my FZR compares. Engine has a stage one jet kit and a D&D full race exhaust. Jet kit was installed last year. Exhaust is what the previous owner had put on the bike. Bike hasn't been up on a dyno, but don't expect more than about 75hp. But I've held my own at the track (Summit) against bigger displacement and newer bikes, including a few Ducs, Aprilias, and the like. Yes, you'll get overtaken on any long straight by more powerful bikes. But you can out brake and out corner lesser riders on better bikes. And all the fun and grins are in the corners anyway. Braided brake lines. HH front brake pads. 14/46 sprocket combination (stock gearing is 15/45), which helps give the bike good drive coming out of corners. 520 RK chain. Rubber still has life. Bridgestone BR-56SS's front and rear. Bike is garaged at a friend's house. Pics and more info at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas/chux_gsxr.htm. Note that I've discarded the bar end mirrors because they broke (although other people I know who've done the same thing haven't had any problems) and the stock mirrors are back on. Listers who've actually ridden my bike if you want a second opinion: Chris Weaver, George Cole, Steve Miller. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 11:27:27 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:25:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic At 05:17 AM 7/22/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: >battley's special this week -- $50 for the run and another >$50 to give you the results! includes free hotdog. Actually, I believe the $50 is for "dyno tuning", not just a dyno run. The hotdogs are free though, but only during the open house, which is the 31st, not this week. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 11:37:12 2004 Subject: RE: understanding what goes on in a twisty Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:37:02 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Randy Moran" , Thans for the feedback. It is a question I have asked a few times before on the list. THE MSF approach of slow, look , lean, roll also endorsed by writes like Hough works providing you set the original entry speed correctly. I have taken all manner of turns and done all manner of things. I have had target fixation...problem fixed. What I am trying to understand is just before the apex of a turn what inputs from me will have what result In DC, Going west on Nebraska, there is a hairpin turn onto Dalecarlia. (I take this 5 times a week). I have found that I can approach the hairpin, come to an almost stop and then take the turn OR I can maintain speed, as I start the turn, step on the rear brake and the net result is that I take the turn in a shorter amount of time with less effort. My concern is forming a bad habit. So I am trying to objectively understand what inputs cause what result in a turn because there are two conflicting schools in general....abort turn, straighten, maximum brake ( especially to avoid obstacles as you go through turn OR increase lean and roll on throttle. Sorry for all the repetition....but my worry about saying THWI and leaning hard..is that I will just drop the bike on its side. Listers..does it happen a lot??? Next.. Part of this spurred by the mantra...your bike is capable of a a lot more than you think. I want to understand exactly what my R6 is capable of and exactly what I am capable of Hence these long winded e-mails every once in a while about cornering. I am guessing the answer to this one will be track day -----Original Message----- From: Randy Moran [mailto:rjmoran@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 5:52 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: understanding what goes on in a twisty On Wednesday, July 21, 2004, at 03:34 PM, Julian Halton wrote: > The correct answer to this question is don't go there..but bear with > me, let's play the what-if game and help me understand the physics and > natural laws involved. (RPM) I don't know from physics or natural law, but I'll take my shot at this one. > You are approaching an "S" curve....the posted speed limit is 25mph. > Feeling confident you enter the curve at 50 mph..You are close to the > yellow line on your left. (RPM) Which way are you turning, left or right? This is important because it speaks to lane positioning at the entrance to a turn. If you are turning left, then close to the yellow line is not where you want to be on entry. If you're turning right then you're ok, though, in both cases, you need to be alert for oncoming traffic crossing the yellow. > Your confidence turned into assumption and you realize too late that > the second part of the "S" turn is tighter than the first and the > posted speed is 15mph. Due to some throttle roll on you are at 57mph > as you hit the second curve. The guard rail grabs your attention and > your lean angle is inadequate. You are running out of turn space and > you realize that you have screwed the pooch. (RPM) Why are you looking at the speedo? It doesn't matter how fast you're going. That is not something you need to know. You need to be looking through the turn. Not at the speedo and not at the guardrail. > Options: > > ....you hit the front and rear brake while attempting to straighten. > You are now bleeding speed but heading towards the guard rail. Your > rear tire is moving back and forth like a fish out of water. You > continue slowing and drift of the road, the guard rail about two > inches away from your front fender. (RPM) This is usually NOT the way to go. It's mostly the result of panic and I've noticed, watching several of these types of incidents over the years, that if you can manage to get the bike stopped before the guardrail, it's quite likely you weren't going fast enough to need to abort the turn in the first place. > -Does trail braking here provide traction or does this increase the > distance you need to make the turn in? (RPM) Trail braking does not 'provide traction'. Trail braking uses a varying amount of available traction, most importantly as it concerns the front tire. Done in an expert manner, trail braking will actually decrease the space you need to make the turn, by allowing you to turn in more sharply. HOWEVER, you will need to be very conscious of the fact that you will be asking a huge amount from the front tire, and that the further over you're leaned, the more likely you are to lose (tuck) the front end under braking. > .....Despite being fixated on the guard rail and rapidly running out > of space, you increase your speed and a Bostrom like lean lets you > shoot through the curve with inches to spare. (RPM) That's a nice trick that few can manage. Usually, being "fixated on the guardrail" means that you're about to be running into it. > -Does adding speed actually decrease the distance needed to make the > turn in a proper line? (RPM) Adding speed should INCREASE the distance necessary to make the turn, given that lean angle in not increased to compensate. > -Should you risk a slide out by leaning until sparks are flying from > your knee-pad or foot peg? (RPM) If it's a choice between that and eating armco, then I'd go with the leaning. Most of the time it only looks like you can't make it, though. Usually the bike is capable of a lot more than one thinks. Just my .02 Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 11:38:01 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic To: Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX here's a good one: battleys informed me a couple years back that dyno tuning was $___ (i forget), but that an additional $100 would get me "special" tuning. --- Mike Bartman wrote: > At 05:17 AM 7/22/04 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: > > >battley's special this week -- $50 for the run and > another > >$50 to give you the results! includes free hotdog. > > Actually, I believe the $50 is for "dyno tuning", not > just a dyno run. The > hotdogs are free though, but only during the open house, > which is the 31st, > not this week. > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for > the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from > someone else's mistakes > is better. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 11:49:02 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:48:58 -0400 From: Dave Yates Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX TG: >here's a good one: >battleys informed me a couple years back that dyno tuning >was $___ (i forget), but that an additional $100 would get >me "special" tuning. [Dave] Silly Tom. "Special tuning" is like "Special education". it's for "Special bikes". Dave Yates From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 11:50:40 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: understanding what goes on in a twisty To: Julian Halton , Randy Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX julian: be careful in attempting to apply track physics to in-town riding. traction is often seriously compromised by our local road surfaces. --- Julian Halton wrote: > Thans for the feedback. It is a question I have asked a > few times > before on the list. > THE MSF approach of slow, look , lean, roll also endorsed > by writes like > Hough works providing you set the original entry speed > correctly. > > I have taken all manner of turns and done all manner of > things. > I have had target fixation...problem fixed. > > What I am trying to understand is just before the apex of > a turn what > inputs from me will have what result > > In DC, Going west on Nebraska, there is a hairpin turn > onto Dalecarlia. > (I take this 5 times a week). I have found that I can > approach the > hairpin, come to an almost stop and then take the turn OR > I can maintain > speed, as I start the turn, step on the rear brake and > the net result is > that I take the turn in a shorter amount of time with > less effort. > My concern is forming a bad habit. > > So I am trying to objectively understand what inputs > cause what result > in a turn because there are two conflicting schools in > general....abort > turn, straighten, maximum brake ( especially to avoid > obstacles as you > go through turn OR increase lean and roll on throttle. > > Sorry for all the repetition....but my worry about saying > THWI and > leaning hard..is that I will just drop the bike on its > side. > Listers..does it happen a lot??? > > Next.. Part of this spurred by the mantra...your bike is > capable of a a > lot more than you think. > > I want to understand exactly what my R6 is capable of and > exactly what I > am capable of > Hence these long winded e-mails every once in a while > about cornering. > I am guessing the answer to this one will be track day __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 11:53:10 2004 Subject: RE: understanding what goes on in a twisty Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:53:06 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "Julian Halton" , "Randy Moran" , >I want to understand exactly what my R6 is capable of and exactly what I am >capable of Hence these long winded e-mails every once in a while about >cornering. Very few people ever push their bikes to the limit (myself included). While I don't recommend scraping pegs just for the sake of doing so... If you're not scraping them, the bike will probably do more than you are telling it to (assuming you have decent tires, of course). I wouldn't toss in more throttle on a questionable turn though... If you're not sure what you are doing, it's not too hard to break the rear end loose. Once you figure out that you can make the corner at X speed without giving gas, then might be a time to try slowly increasing throttle a bit to see how it feels. Another word of note, if you can hear your tires howling (not a full squeal), then you're reaching the edge of what it's capable of. It will always warn you if you listen. >I am guessing the answer to this one will be track day Always the best method! But, if you're doing the same route every day, you can learn it there as long as you pay attention to what you are doing to the bike and what it's doing in return. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 12:00:58 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: "DC Cycles" Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:00:33 -0400 Subject: Pocketbike "phenomenon" I watched a guy ride around and around a parking lot in Arlington this week, on a pocketbike. Bizarre. And loud. http://www.pocketbike.com Does any moto lister "get" this thing? Is it just a fad? Or am I missing out on a new super-fun hobby that these guys seem to be enjoying: http://www.gaweeka.com/blog/pics/pocketbike_racers.jpg -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 "More horses than most pocketbikes..." Seca II From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 12:06:51 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:06:09 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: understanding what goes on in a twisty Before you go to the track for an open track day, I would strongly suggest an actual track school first. Track days are for hooning around. You don't really learn all that much. Track schools are where you learn in a structured environment and in a systematic fashion. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Sent: Jul 22, 2004 11:37 AM To: Randy Moran , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: understanding what goes on in a twisty I want to understand exactly what my R6 is capable of and exactly what I am capable of Hence these long winded e-mails every once in a while about cornering. I am guessing the answer to this one will be track day From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 12:15:31 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:15:29 -0400 From: Robert To: Sean Steele Subject: Re: Pocketbike "phenomenon" Cc: DC Cycles I've been seeing the mainstream media pick up on the phenomenon, treating it as the latest craze (last year's was motorized scooter). There have also been comments that the market is being flooded with inexpensive bikes from Asian manufacturers, competing directly with older established brands like Pollini. Several articles point out that the latest crop of bikes, available via mail-order for as low as $300.00, are not in the same class as the two-speed racing models, but that none are actually marketed for use on public roads. I seem to recall a post on the DC Cycles list about two years ago, site had video of a run down Hwy 22 near Sperryville, two or three racers on pocket bikes, riders kitted out in full leathers. As I think back, I do seem to remember a lot of crossing of double yellow lines and the like, so hooligans on pocket bikes have been around for a while. Robert (who has no desire to emulate an Oompa Loompa on any bike...) VF750F Interceptor (capable of far more speed than any motorized scooter) On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:00:33 -0400, Sean Steele wrote: > I watched a guy ride around and around a parking lot in Arlington this > week, on a pocketbike. Bizarre. And loud. > > http://www.pocketbike.com > > Does any moto lister "get" this thing? Is it just a fad? > > Or am I missing out on a new super-fun hobby that these guys seem to be > enjoying: http://www.gaweeka.com/blog/pics/pocketbike_racers.jpg > > -Sean > WAR-shington, DC > '92 "More horses than most pocketbikes..." Seca II > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 12:15:43 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Pocketbike "phenomenon" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Coleman PoserSports sells these for $699. Glenn --- Sean Steele wrote: > I watched a guy ride around and around a parking lot > in Arlington this > week, on a pocketbike. Bizarre. And loud. > > http://www.pocketbike.com > > Does any moto lister "get" this thing? Is it just a > fad? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 12:33:02 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:32:57 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Julian Halton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: understanding what goes on in a twisty -----Original Message----- From: Julian Halton Thans for the feedback. It is a question I have asked a few times before on the list. THE MSF approach of slow, look , lean, roll also endorsed by writers like Hough works providing you set the original entry speed correctly. I have taken all manner of turns and done all manner of things. I have had target fixation...problem fixed. What I am trying to understand is just before the apex of a turn what inputs from me will have what result ---- I don't want to be the apologist of all things MSF, but one of the valuable things we ask each and every class is, "what is a good entry speed?" Answer - "the speed that allows you to maintain a steady roll-on in the turn." The corollary to that is, a steady roll-on *despite* "surprises" like an off-camber surface, crap in the road, idiot drivers taking their half out of the middle, etc. In short, a conservative entry speed on the street pays a lot of dividends, both in the grin factor (it's fun to power out of turns) and in minimizing those "moments of concern." So, I guess, my basis answer is pull the zoom lens back a bit. Worry less about what you're going to do *in the turn* and put that mental energy into what you do *before* the turn. A good entry speed allows you to be smooth with the handgrip press, the brakes and the throttle. It avoids putting sudden inputs into the bike that cause instability and might cause you to be overdrawn at the Bank of Traction. Again, this is street riding. You can be much more aggressive in the turns on the track. The turns are exactly the same every time you go through, there's no oncoming traffic and there are those nice people with the colored flags to let you know what's going on up ahead. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 12:45:42 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:44:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Robert , Sean Steele Subject: Re: Pocketbike "phenomenon" Cc: DC Cycles Apparently, the pocket rockets are viewed as the Urban Menace du Jour (tm). The DC Council recently amended DC law to classify these mini-bikes as "motorcycles" thereby subjecting their riders to licensure and helmet requirements. Strangely the clapped-out moped pizza and sandwich deliverers (not to mention scooterists) seem to be exempt from the gaze of our eagle-eyed legislature. -----Original Message----- From: Robert I've been seeing the mainstream media pick up on the phenomenon, treating it as the latest craze (last year's was motorized scooter). ---- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 12:46:58 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Re: Pocketbike 'phenomenon' Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:48:22 -0400 > I seem to recall a post on the DC Cycles list about two years ago, > site had video of a run down Hwy 22 near Sperryville, two or three > racers on pocket bikes, riders kitted out in full leathers. As I > think back, I do seem to remember a lot of crossing of double yellow > lines and the like, so hooligans on pocket bikes have been around for > a while. Did one of the riders go off the road, then carry the bike back on? If so, I'm pretty sure that was Deals Gap they were riding on. One of the problems with the pocket bikes is people are abusing their rights with them. I pulled up next to a guy on a Minimoto, on the street, crossing Columbia Pike. No helmet, wearing shorts, t-shirt and sneakers. When people race these bikes, they wear full protective outfits, cause a fall on these things can hurt just as much! Apparently in places like NYC drug dealers or couriers are using them as transport. I almost bought one of these about 3 or so years ago, but all the racing action was in NYC at the time. Seems the popularity has finally spread. Louis - - - - - "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 14:42:51 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:42:38 EDT Subject: Re: Need a Yamaha mechanic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I second this recommendation. They've always done great work on my bike. Recent events regarding the cam chain not withstanding. :-) Scooter In a message dated 7/21/2004 5:56:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sean@XXXXXX writes: Cycle Sport on Rt. 1 in Alexandria is a good Yamaha shop pretty close to where you live. Ask for Matt Cohn in the Service Dept. when you call. Cycle Sport 7800 Richmond Hwy Alexandria, VA 22306-7824 703-780-1245 -Sean Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > Hey all... Got another request. I'm in need of a good Yamaha mechanic. > I've been on a Honda for a while and found that all the Yamaha mechanics > I knew are gone. :( From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 14:50:05 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:49:45 EDT Subject: Re: Pocketbike "phenomenon" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I have that clip saved if anyone wants it. It's on my work computer so, I would only be able to send it out when I'm there. Scooter In a message dated 7/22/2004 12:16:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, robert.verde@XXXXXX writes: I seem to recall a post on the DC Cycles list about two years ago, site had video of a run down Hwy 22 near Sperryville, two or three racers on pocket bikes, riders kitted out in full leathers. As I think back, I do seem to remember a lot of crossing of double yellow lines and the like, so hooligans on pocket bikes have been around for a while. Robert (who has no desire to emulate an Oompa Loompa on any bike...) From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 15:31:12 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Trolley Tracks in Gtown To: DC Cycles This is from today's Washington Post 'Metro Confidential'. If this is a list member I say get a map. Those tracks are not fun on a bike but its not worth removing the last historical link to DC's past trolley system. _______________________ 20011: I hate the trolley tracks. No, I don't live in Georgetown, but I sometimes drive there. On my motorcycle. If I manage to get stuck going down a street with tracks -- well, it's a horrid experience is really the only polite way to explain it. They are NOT safe. Marc Fisher: Not everything in life is safe. Some things are just beautiful or fun or funky or pleasingly old. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 15:37:48 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Trolley Tracks in Gtown Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:37:40 -0400 Hell, if it'll get them to finally re-pave a road downtown, I say pull 'em all. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Mark Kitchell To: DC Cycles Subject: Trolley Tracks in Gtown Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) This is from today's Washington Post 'Metro Confidential'. If this is a list member I say get a map. Those tracks are not fun on a bike but its not worth removing the last historical link to DC's past trolley system. _______________________ 20011: I hate the trolley tracks. No, I don't live in Georgetown, but I sometimes drive there. On my motorcycle. If I manage to get stuck going down a street with tracks -- well, it's a horrid experience is really the only polite way to explain it. They are NOT safe. Marc Fisher: Not everything in life is safe. Some things are just beautiful or fun or funky or pleasingly old. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 15:49:49 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:50:09 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown At 11:42 AM 7/22/04 -0700, Mark Kitchell wrote: >This is from today's Washington Post 'Metro >Confidential'. If this is a list member I say get a >map. And learn that you don't "drive" a motorcycle, you "ride" one. "Driving" is for cars, cattle and teams of horses pulling wagons. >Marc Fisher: Not everything in life is safe. Some >things are just beautiful or fun or funky or >pleasingly old. Actually, NOTHING in life is "safe". There's *always* some risk present of something unwanted happening. It's just the way the universe is built. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 15:52:19 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:52:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown "Finally"? Are you serious? I live in G'town and they've been repaving M St. and Wisconsin Ave. for what seems like years, courtesy of exploding manhole covers and now lead water lines... Me myself... I'm ambivalent about the trolley tracks. So little in this city has been properly preserved, I find the trolley tracks a strange "patch of grass to plant that flag", if you follow me. On the other hand, yeah, they're kinda funky and old and historic. Why not leave 'em as a reminder of days gone by? -Sean WAR-shington, DC '92 Seca II Rob Keiser wrote: > Hell, if it'll get them to finally re-pave a road downtown, I say pull > 'em all. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > > From: Mark Kitchell > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Trolley Tracks in Gtown > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:42:51 -0700 (PDT) > > This is from today's Washington Post 'Metro > Confidential'. If this is a list member I say get a > map. Those tracks are not fun on a bike but its not > worth removing the last historical link to DC's past > trolley system. > > > > _______________________ > > 20011: I hate the trolley tracks. No, I don't live in > Georgetown, but I sometimes drive there. On my > motorcycle. If I manage to get stuck going down a > street with tracks -- well, it's a horrid experience > is really the only polite way to explain it. They are > NOT safe. > > Marc Fisher: Not everything in life is safe. Some > things are just beautiful or fun or funky or > pleasingly old. > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 16:04:30 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:04:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell This is from today's Washington Post 'Metro Confidential'. If this is a list member I say get a map. Those tracks are not fun on a bike but its not worth removing the last historical link to DC's past trolley system. _______________________ 20011: I hate the trolley tracks. No, I don't live in Georgetown, but I sometimes drive there. On my motorcycle. If I manage to get stuck going down a street with tracks -- well, it's a horrid experience is really the only polite way to explain it. They are NOT safe. Marc Fisher: Not everything in life is safe. Some things are just beautiful or fun or funky or pleasingly old. -------- Map? How about getting a set of testicles, or the feminine equivalent thereof. :) I'd advise the correspondent never to ride in Europe on any two-wheeled contraption. FWIW, the proper solution is merely to *maintain* the street paving, not replace it, but this concept seems totally alien to the authorities. The streetcars ceased operation in the early 60s. I'll bet the pavers and tracks haven't been touched since. I've been "stuck" on O and P on a skinny tired road bicycle, for criminy's sake. Just don't ride near the rails or the conduit. ------- Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 16:26:31 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maintenance costs Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:26:03 -0400 My CBR600F4 is currently parked while I await the opportunity to get some overdue service performed. The 16,000 mile service is a major one which includes a range of fluid changes, adjustments and valve clearance checks. I live in an apartment without a garage and we are not allowed to perform any vehicle maintenance in the parking lot, in addition to having to watch my 2 year old who finds both my motorcycle and toolbox incredibly fascinating. As such I am inclined to turn the work over to our favorite Honda dealership and I was curious as to what folks thought of the costs involved and any alternative proposals. My last major service on my previous bike took place at Roach's house but he had to be selfish, get married and move out of the area :) Not to mention the bike was stolen right after that, or maybe it's because I washed it :( Coleman's "major" service $435.00 misc parts ~$ 70.00 Chain & Sprockets (RK) $181.95 labor to install C&S $160.00 Brake system flush $120.00 Brake fluid ~$ 5.00 Flush radiator system $ 80.00 radiator fluid ~ $ 8.00 tax $11.92 total $1071.87 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 16:32:36 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Cycle Center in Roanoke? To: DC Cycles Anyone ever dealt with them? Good, bad, otherwise? The adjuster took the first look at my bike from my I-81 incident, and thinks it's fixable. They're taking it to Cycle Center. I'd prefer to bring it back to Champions in Herndon, but I guess the 250 miles was too much to expect, and it's not like I can go get it. Thanks for your input. Brian From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 17:47:15 2004 Subject: RE: Trolley Tracks in Gtown Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:47:11 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: "DC Cycles" I've driven down the trolly track road on several bikes, ranging from crotch rockets to sport tourers to cruisers... It's not that bad. The cobblestones (pavers, whatever) are worse than the tracks! I've even had to cross the tracks a few times and haven't had a problem with it. It's just a case of know how to handle them. Unfortunately, if they rip up the tracks, they'll pull up the cobblestones too. I definitely think those should stay... It's a nice diversion when you can get out of the hell that is Wisconsin Ave and find a cobblestone waiting for you. --smthng '01 Yamaha FZ1, Bagster tank cover and bag, Cortech Sport saddle and seat bags... Yosh slip on and Factory jet kit soon! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:43 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Trolley Tracks in Gtown 20011: I hate the trolley tracks. No, I don't live in Georgetown, but I sometimes drive there. On my motorcycle. If I manage to get stuck going down a street with tracks -- well, it's a horrid experience is really the only polite way to explain it. They are NOT safe. Marc Fisher: Not everything in life is safe. Some things are just beautiful or fun or funky or pleasingly old. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 17:49:38 2004 From: "Michael Jordan" To: Subject: RE: Maintenance costs Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:49:30 -0400 > Not to mention the bike was stolen right after that, > or maybe it's because I washed it :( Washing is fatal to a motorcycle. Whenever you get the urge to wash it, it's time for a long ride. Remember, any day good enough to wash a bike is a great day to ride one. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 18:45:50 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: Pocketbike "phenomenon" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX There are three of them for sale in Vienna for $550 a piece. Also saw some electric pocketbikes for sale at the local Safeway in reston. --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > Coleman PoserSports sells these for $699. > > Glenn > > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 19:16:46 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:16:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Pocketbike "phenomenon" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Some (all?) of those electric pocketbikes are really just electric razor scooters with a fairing kit and a seat -CB --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > There are three of them for sale in Vienna for $550 > a piece. Also saw some > electric pocketbikes for sale at the local Safeway > in reston. > > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 19:44:19 2004 From: "Brian Roberson" To: Subject: RE: Maintenance costs Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:44:11 -0400 X-UserInfo: d64cb895d5c0f2b94af7e433d4ebfb46:24e0caf112cc629cec900cbc81f2a51a X-User: broberson@XXXXXX X-UserName: unknown Cedric, This is a guess - but I would be willing to bet Cycle Accessory Discounters could this work done for half?? If not half - close to half. You might want to give CAD a call and drop your bike by there. I always prefer to do my own maintenance - now I can see how much money I'm saving... CAD has done work on two my my cycles - they have done very good work. Cad Cycles Inc Address: 429 E Diamond Ave # A, Gaithersburg, MD 20877 Phone: (301) 977-7188 Brian -----Original Message----- From: bernescut@XXXXXX [mailto:bernescut@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Maintenance costs My CBR600F4 is currently parked while I await the opportunity to get some overdue service performed. The 16,000 mile service is a major one which includes a range of fluid changes, adjustments and valve clearance checks. I live in an apartment without a garage and we are not allowed to perform any vehicle maintenance in the parking lot, in addition to having to watch my 2 year old who finds both my motorcycle and toolbox incredibly fascinating. As such I am inclined to turn the work over to our favorite Honda dealership and I was curious as to what folks thought of the costs involved and any alternative proposals. My last major service on my previous bike took place at Roach's house but he had to be selfish, get married and move out of the area :) Not to mention the bike was stolen right after that, or maybe it's because I washed it :( Coleman's "major" service $435.00 misc parts ~$ 70.00 Chain & Sprockets (RK) $181.95 labor to install C&S $160.00 Brake system flush $120.00 Brake fluid ~$ 5.00 Flush radiator system $ 80.00 radiator fluid ~ $ 8.00 tax $11.92 total $1071.87 Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 19:56:45 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:56:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Moore Subject: GS500 rebuild continued.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX So over the past year I've posted occasionally with questions on my ongoing project of rebuilding my 2002 GS500. To recap, a connecting rod bearing failed when the bike was 2 months out of warranty and only had 5000 miles on it. A mechanic said my best bet would be to buy a new bike (which I did, but would still like to get this one working again) .I took the entire engine apart, had the crank shaft journals resurfaced, replaced the bearings, connecting rods, piston rings, etc. and put it all back together. I am now having trouble starting the bike. It is getting spark, fuel and compression. Occasionally it might sputter a little or do an enormous backfire, but it never sounds even close to trying to start. I know timing is the obvious answer, and I have rechecked and rechecked my work on this, so if it is a matter of timing, I am afraid the solution might be too technical for me. Anyone in the group have any ideas on where to look? Anyone live in the Gaithersburg area and care to help me out? Thanks, Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 20:42:58 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:47:30 -0400 Subject: Re: GS500 rebuild continued.... To: Mike Moore Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" Mike Moore writes: >So over the past year I've posted occasionally with >questions on my ongoing project of rebuilding my 2002 >GS500. snip > >I am now having trouble starting the bike. It is >getting spark, fuel and compression. Occasionally it >might sputter a little or do an enormous backfire, but >it never sounds even close to trying to start. I know >timing is the obvious answer, Another possibility is dirty carbs, if it's been sitting for a year with gas in them. If not, check timing with a (strobe) timing light, if you haven't done that. --garcia >and I have rechecked and >rechecked my work on this, so if it is a matter of >timing, I am afraid the solution might be too >technical for me. Anyone in the group have any ideas >on where to look? Anyone live in the Gaithersburg >area and care to help me out? > >Thanks, >Mike > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 21:13:09 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:08:29 -0400 To: Mike Moore , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: GS500 rebuild continued.... At 04:56 PM 7/22/04 -0700, Mike Moore wrote: >get this one working again) .I took the entire engine >apart, had the crank shaft journals resurfaced, >replaced the bearings, connecting rods, piston rings, >etc. and put it all back together. > >I am now having trouble starting the bike. It is >getting spark, fuel and compression. Occasionally it >might sputter a little or do an enormous backfire, but >it never sounds even close to trying to start. I know >timing is the obvious answer, and I have rechecked and >rechecked my work on this, so if it is a matter of >timing, I am afraid the solution might be too >technical for me. Anyone in the group have any ideas >on where to look? Wild guess, as IANAM, and I know nothing about your bike in particular anyway, but is the cam in the proper position relative to the crankshaft? I.e. when you put it all back together again, did you line up the gears or sprokets/chain the way they need to be? I know on V8s in cars there are usually marks of some sort (paint or a dimple in the metal) on these parts, and the marks on the crank and cam parts need to be lined up and as close to each other as possible. Not sure how bikes get marked. If that's not it (or even before you check that), another WAG might be to check the spark plug wires and make sure you have them on the right plugs...improper firing order will get you really poor results that could do what you are describing. Other than that, all I can think of is an assembly error in the valve area (broken, or unsecured spring for instance), or some sort of sensor malfunction (dead, not hooked up, hooked up wrong, etc.), but since I don't know what sensors your bike has, if any, I can't really get very specific about it. For instance, if it has a crank position sensor, and this is in the wrong place, damaged or whatever, the computer won't be firing the plugs at the right time. Good luck. I'll be interested to see if those here with actual experience on your bike agree with my guesses or not... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 22:01:21 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:59:46 -0400 From: Steven McCollom To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance costs X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [68.239.77.49] at Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:01:18 -0500 bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > > I live in an apartment without a garage and we are not allowed to perform > any vehicle maintenance in the parking lot, in addition to having to watch > my 2 year old who finds both my motorcycle and toolbox incredibly > fascinating. As such I am inclined to turn the work over to our favorite > Honda dealership Got the service manual? I'm sure there are garages available, including mine in Arlington, if you did want to get the parts (I'm less than two miles from Coleman) and do some or all (I don't have vacuum gauges for carb sync, and doing the coolant flush would be problematic) of the work as a DIY project. I can also provide moral support, basic mechanical aptitude, etc. any time except this weekend (going to Mid-Ohio). Steve From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 22:12:41 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:12:29 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown At 03:50 PM 7/22/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >And learn that you don't "drive" a motorcycle, you "ride" one. "Driving" >is for cars, cattle and teams of horses pulling wagons. Actually it can go either way. Some people claim 'riding' gives the impression you are on for the ride, not in control. Therefore 'driving' would be the proper term. It sounds kind of dumb though. I think this conversation occurred in my MSF course. Trolly tracks can be a bitch on a bicycle when they run parallel, but I never had a problem on a moto. I cross two sets of train tracks daily as well. Not an issue, even the angled ones on 15 with big gaps. History is a good thing - hang on to the tracks _and_ finish repaving Gtown. They were working on sections of it in '94. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 22:16:25 2004 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:16:19 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Florida riders I've been in Tampa / St. Pete all week on business. I have seen about 30 bikes. Two guys had helmets, none had gear other than shorts and a wife beater. Half cruiser, half sportbike. I watched one turkey tonight with a helmet on the lock, one arm on his hip, slicing through traffic to a stoplight, where he proceeded when it turned green and split two cars in a wheelie. Squids are much more interesting down here. And my overall impression uis that Florida may actually have the worst drivers on the East coast, followed somewhere by NJ and Mass. Flying out tomorrow, looking forward to a ride where it isn't 100 with 90% humidity. And I'm not on a rooftop trying to read a laptop screen in the sun. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 22:51:20 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Cycle Center in Roanoke? Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:50:51 -0400 At the helm, eh Brian. Good for you, and happy, hurried healing. I've dealt with out-of-town post-knockoff issues. My feelings were that serious bike rehab by a remote (NJ), strange dealer was asking for it: I felt that if anything was amiss in the fix, expenses and hassle in the end game could be to nobody's liking. As they were a brand dealer I let them do the estimate, then I worked with my insco on a satisfactory solution: We totaled (possible mushroom expenses helped push it over the top), I made a trip (expensed to insco) to strip my comfy goodies, and they had the bike picked up by a junker with whom they worked. Ended up with cash, peace of mind, and a short, happy settlement. A note -- introduce yourself and work with just one person at the dealer as there will be faxing, calls, etc. Tell them everything that will help get it totaled, as you wish -- you will most likely only get one chance. Get receipts, make notes for *everything* (tow, phone calls, etc.). Offlist me if you want. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Thanks for being surgeon-choosy. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Brian Ray Anyone ever dealt with them? Good, bad, otherwise? The adjuster took the first look at my bike from my I-81 incident, and thinks it's fixable. They're taking it to Cycle Center. I'd prefer to bring it back to Champions in Herndon, but I guess the 250 miles was too much to expect, and it's not like I can go get it. Thanks for your input. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 22 23:31:50 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Trailer tag question Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 23:31:40 -0400 Stephen, a few years ago I bussed from DC to South Hill, VA to pick up a bike for riding back to DC dealing, therefore, with what seems like Q1. There was a Va. DMV handy there which issued me a 3-day "trip permit" for $5 - I may have had to show the bill of sale to get it. I stickered it over the old plate (probably not necessary), which plate I of course subsequently mailed back to the seller. There were "owner" and "prospective purchaser(buyer)" permits. As a non-Va. Resident, I had to get the "owner." I do remember there were information hassles in getting as far as the above. Look at the VADMV website (re 46.2-651?) and call ahead to the particular DMV when you have a plan worked out. Perhaps the permit can be obtained prior to your picking up the trailer. Think about insurance and current registration info. Remember, my experience is dated. Of course, if you and the seller want to take the risk, move it on the seller's plate. Just don't get questioned. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I remember trip permit. Pain in the neck. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. "stephen" expressed: I went to the Maryland MVA site, but couldn't figure out the answer, so I decided to ask you lot: Q1: If I acquire a trailer in Virginia, how do I deal with tags and the MVA so I don't get ticketed on the way home? Q2: If this trailer is a gift, how can I best convince the MVA of this fact, or as with gifted motorcycles, will I have to pay taxes on a $600 vehicle? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 00:01:28 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:01:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Troutman CC: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown Troutman wrote: > Actually it can go either way. Some people claim 'riding' gives the > impression you are on for the ride, not in control. Therefore 'driving' > would be the proper term. It sounds kind of dumb though. I think the term "piloting" is most applicable to motorcycles. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 00:18:18 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:18:01 EDT Subject: Re: Nice Lunch / nice ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/21/2004 11:55:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, you@XXXXXX writes: > Ah well, doesn't really matter. It's gone! :) I wasn't overly attached to > it anyway Good, but it would have been a fun "puzzle" to figure out (I can be a bit of a masochist that way.) One problem those things have is that they will jump time at the drop of a hat and then still start and run BADLY!! But they would still run, filthy rich, as a result the blame was usually put on the injection computer. A mechanic friend of mine spent hours on the Kawasaki tech line (The folks dealers call when they are stumped) and never got any help. > and it was too complex for me to work on. Nah, just like a single cylinder times six. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC 1999, Honda ST1100X Pan European 1983, BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles 1976, Honda CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 04:14:55 2004 Reply-To: From: "smthng" To: "'dc Cycles'" Subject: RE: Florida riders Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 04:14:42 -0400 >Squids are much more interesting down here. And my overall >impression uis that Florida may actually have the worst drivers on the East >coast, followed somewhere by NJ and Mass. My theory on that is that they start out reasonably normal... But then the general heat of Florida kind of bakes their brains a bit. Once slightly cooked, they quit using the helmets. With the head now totally exposed to the microwave in the sky, they quickly get baked to medium-well. ;) >Flying out tomorrow, looking forward to a ride where it isn't 100 with 90% >humidity. And I'm not on a rooftop trying to read a laptop screen in the >sun. Have a safe trip and bring some of that sun back with you... The weather goobs say rain till NEXT weekend. Of course, take that with a grain (or a bucket) of salt, as they never seem to have much of a clue around here. --smthng From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 08:58:21 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: James Stewart on front page of the Post Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:01:37 -0400 Woo-hoo for the dirt squirrels! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7302-2004Jul22.html (on the front page of printed edition, with photo) --jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 10:03:12 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: sawzall Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:02:59 -0400 Does anyone near Arlington have a sawzall/recipicating saw? I have a slip-on that needs installing. I could try to bring the pipe on the bike, but it might be easier to borrow the saw or have someone come over with it, if they wanted to share in the fun. I'd buy a new metal blade or 6 pack for the trouble. TIA, Rich '02 SVS _________________________________________________________________ Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 10:25:35 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:26:17 -0400 To: Troutman , "dc Cycles" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown At 10:12 PM 7/22/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 03:50 PM 7/22/2004, Mike Bartman wrote: >>And learn that you don't "drive" a motorcycle, you "ride" one. "Driving" >>is for cars, cattle and teams of horses pulling wagons. > >Actually it can go either way. Some people claim 'riding' gives the >impression you are on for the ride, not in control. Therefore 'driving' >would be the proper term. It sounds kind of dumb though. I believe "driving" comes from older uses of "drive"...which meant to herd something ahead of you. As in "cattle drive", or "driving one's enemies into the sea" or whatever. When horses or other animals were harnessed to a wagon, you "drove" them ahead of you to get them to pull the wagon. That's why you "drive" the team that pulls a wagon, you don't "ride" it (unless you are a movie stuntman maybe, leaping from the seat onto the backs of the team of a runaway wagon). The term transferred to cars from horse/ox/mule drawn wagons. "Riding" means you are sitting on the thing, and directing it with your hands and body to get it to go where you want it to go. You ride a horse, you don't drive it (unless you are on your own feet at the time, not mounted). Motorcycles got the term transferred from horse riding, and it's very appropriate, as you don't just control the bike with your hands...your feet and whole body get into the act. If you wouldn't say you climbed into the saddle and drove your horse, you shouldn't say you drove a moto either. If you would say you climbed into the saddle and drove your horse, you'll get laughed at at, even at the dude ranch. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 10:37:35 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:38:18 -0400 To: Dale Horstman , Troutman From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown Cc: dc Cycles At 12:01 AM 7/23/04 -0400, Dale Horstman wrote: >Troutman wrote: > >> Actually it can go either way. Some people claim 'riding' gives the >> impression you are on for the ride, not in control. Therefore 'driving' >> would be the proper term. It sounds kind of dumb though. > >I think the term "piloting" is most applicable to motorcycles. I guess it depends on how fast you were moving when you hit the speed bump... ;-) "Piloting" is even more remote from actually operating the thing than "driving" is. The term was first used for ships. Even today a "pilot" will come aboard and direct the ship into dock...the pilot being intimately familiar with the specifics of the given harbor, while the ship's captain was usually not. The pilot doesn't actually operate the ship, he just directs the crew as to where to go and how fast. At http://www.bartleby.com/61/53/P0305300.html there's a description of the etymology: WORD HISTORY: The pilot of an aircraft speeding through the air and the pilot of a watercraft plowing through the water both drag an etymological foot on the ground. Surprisingly enough, considering its modern contexts, the English word pilot can be traced back to the Indo-European root *ped)B–, meaning )B“foot.” From the lengthened-grade suffixed form *pdo– came the Greek word pdon, )B“blade of an oar,” and in the plural, “steering oar.” In Medieval Greek there is assumed to have existed the derivative *pdts, )B“steersman,” which passed into Old Italian and acquired several forms, including pedota, and pilota, the form that was borrowed into Old French as pilot. English borrowed the word from French, and as pilot it has moved from the water to the air, first being recorded in 1848 with reference to an airborne pilot)B—a balloonist. Ships, planes and balloons...no mention of motorcycles though. Probably due to there being no oars or steerboards on them in most cases. At least ships and planes have rudders, so the word makes some sense there. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 10:51:51 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: barkdog600rr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: GS500 rebuild continued.... Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 10:40:28 -0400 I'm afraid I can't offer much more than what's already been suggested, but if you need an extra set of hands, or a garage/tools for something, I'm in Germantown. Give me a shout. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Mike Moore To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: GS500 rebuild continued.... Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:56:42 -0700 (PDT) So over the past year I've posted occasionally with questions on my ongoing project of rebuilding my 2002 GS500. To recap, a connecting rod bearing failed when the bike was 2 months out of warranty and only had 5000 miles on it. A mechanic said my best bet would be to buy a new bike (which I did, but would still like to get this one working again) .I took the entire engine apart, had the crank shaft journals resurfaced, replaced the bearings, connecting rods, piston rings, etc. and put it all back together. I am now having trouble starting the bike. It is getting spark, fuel and compression. Occasionally it might sputter a little or do an enormous backfire, but it never sounds even close to trying to start. I know timing is the obvious answer, and I have rechecked and rechecked my work on this, so if it is a matter of timing, I am afraid the solution might be too technical for me. Anyone in the group have any ideas on where to look? Anyone live in the Gaithersburg area and care to help me out? Thanks, Mike __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 11:42:34 2004 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:42:20 EDT Subject: Re: Trolley Tracks in Gtown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:37:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omni@XXXXXX writes: > The pilot doesn't actually operate the ship, he just > directs the crew as to where to go and how fast. Yea, that is how the (old) Skyway bridge in Tampa FL got knocked down. (I used to ride over that bridge all the time. The main span was all grating and you could look WAY down at the ships going under. I used to speed up or slow down just so I could be on the grate when there was a ship under the span. I quit doing that after the ship knocked down one of the two spans.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 12:29:32 2004 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 12:29:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Moto-medics http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/videoplayer/newVid/framesource2.html?clip=/media/2004/07/21/video631108.rm&sec=500251&vidId=204&title=Motorcycle$@$Medics&hitboxMLC=health or http://tinyurl.com/49676 Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 23 19:01:20 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'W.S. '" , "'DC-Cycles '" Subject: RE: Trailer tag question Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:04:56 -0400 FWIW, the VA DMV website allows you to get one of these tags and print it out immediately. Think it's called a transport tag or some such. Not sure how it is if you're an out-of-stater, but it was easy for me as a resident. Enter your DL number, the VIN of the trailer, give 'em a credit card # and hit print. Insta-tag. I threw a couple layers of packing tape over it so there was a little better chance it wouldn't be shredded in 2 seconds on the road. Lasted from DE to here. Mike -----Original Message----- From: W.S. To: DC-Cycles Sent: 7/22/2004 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Trailer tag question Stephen, a few years ago I bussed from DC to South Hill, VA to pick up a bike for riding back to DC dealing, therefore, with what seems like Q1. There was a Va. DMV handy there which issued me a 3-day "trip permit" for $5 - I may have had to show the bill of sale to get it. I stickered it over the old plate (probably not necessary), which plate I of course subsequently mailed back to the seller. There were "owner" and "prospective purchaser(buyer)" permits. As a non-Va. Resident, I had to get the "owner." I do remember there were information hassles in getting as far as the above. Look at the VADMV website (re 46.2-651?) and call ahead to the particular DMV when you have a plan worked out. Perhaps the permit can be obtained prior to your picking up the trailer. Think about insurance and current registration info. Remember, my experience is dated. Of course, if you and the seller want to take the risk, move it on the seller's plate. Just don't get questioned. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > I remember trip permit. Pain in the neck. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. "stephen" expressed: I went to the Maryland MVA site, but couldn't figure out the answer, so I decided to ask you lot: Q1: If I acquire a trailer in Virginia, how do I deal with tags and the MVA so I don't get ticketed on the way home? Q2: If this trailer is a gift, how can I best convince the MVA of this fact, or as with gifted motorcycles, will I have to pay taxes on a $600 vehicle? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 24 17:40:40 2004 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:41:23 -0400 To: From: Mike Bartman Subject: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. I know someone who was all excited about bikes and learning to ride. This person bought a bike and signed up for the BRC in Maryland. Had to wait several months for the class, and the bike (a Sportster) arrived a couple of weeks prior to the class. This person didn't make it through the class, is now selling the new bike, and has put off, perhaps permanently, any decision to learn to ride. This is part of a message I got about the class experience: > >>>> >I dropped out after about two hours of riding the course. I was really >nervous but doing okay I thought until the instructor pulled me aside and >said he thought I was too nervous to go on and also said I wasn't learning >to speed up correctly. ><<<< After I got that, I talked with the person on the phone and got a few more details. Apparently there were a few problems involved, starting with being nervous about riding for the first time (should be fairly typical I'd expect). It was hard to feel the shift lever through the bike boots...making it hard to find neutral, and adding to the nervousness...didn't want to slow the class down, look incompetent, etc.. At one point the bike got dropped. Due to these things, there was hesitancy to accelerate much. The instructor's response was to tell the student not to be nervous, and to just do the exercises anyway...and eventually suggest that the student drop out of the class. A few questions for the MSF instructors here, past or present: o Nervous students should be common, right? To me it sounds like this instructor handled the situation really, really poorly. Am I off on that? o Should students arrive in class with at least *some* riding experience? Backyard or parking lot anyway, so they are at least somewhat practiced at operating a bike? Or is the course intended for first time riders? o What should a student without any prior riding experience (other than pedal bikes) expect to accomplish in a BRC course? Should they expect to be able to ride well enough to pass the licence exam? Should they expect to be able to ride well enough to practice more on their own to pass the license exam? Something else? o What other comments come to mind about this situation? The student did contact the folks running the BRC course soon after the class (and before deciding to give up on riding), to ask about future dates (none for a while). When told why there was interest in re-taking the course, the student was told that there were some classes in the fall that would be taught by "more laid-back instructors", implying that perhaps this instructor is known to be rough on students. I'm assuming that the instructor is still instructing due to the well-known instructor shortage if that's true...but in at least one case, this policy has resulted in a student perhaps giving up the idea of riding completely, and certainly for an unknown period of time. What happened in class turned the student from excited, expectant, and looking forward to riding, to fearful, and coming up with all sorts of excuses about why riding might not be right for them anyway, and the whole thing was just a big mistake. The only bright spot is that this person is now thinking that *if* they ever decide to try riding again, they may do what I and a couple of others suggested in the first place, which was to buy a small used bike, like a Rebel maybe, or even an enduro, and learn to ride off-road first (parking lots, or if going the enduro route, trail riding, backyard, etc.), *then* take the BRC course. That way there's no pressure to learn instantly, and they can take things as slowly as they need to, with no worries about an expensive, powerful bike getting away from them. There are a number of folks who've volunteered to help this person learn, both before the class, and after, so there's no shortage of help available. Comments? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 24 18:49:30 2004 From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 18:50:49 -0400 X-ELNK-Trace: 956056117932dab21aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79b20d5c92433c596ccf06b95da76382a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > I know someone who was all excited about bikes and learning to ride. ... > This is part of a message I got about the class experience: > > > >>>> > >I dropped out after about two hours of riding the course. I was really > >nervous but doing okay I thought until the instructor pulled me aside and > >said he thought I was too nervous to go on and also said I wasn't learning > >to speed up correctly. > ><<<< > > After I got that, I talked with the person on the phone and got a few more > details. Apparently there were a few problems involved, starting with > being nervous about riding for the first time (should be fairly typical I'd > expect). It was hard to feel the shift lever through the bike > boots...making it hard to find neutral, and adding to the > nervousness...didn't want to slow the class down, look incompetent, etc.. > At one point the bike got dropped. Due to these things, there was > hesitancy to accelerate much. The instructor's response was to tell the > student not to be nervous, and to just do the exercises anyway...and > eventually suggest that the student drop out of the class. [Dave] MB, I'm not an MSF instructor, but learned to ride in the BRC and offer my comments... The BRC is about as basic a class as you can get for a M/C, and without mastering the elements taught therein, there's probably other problems... > > A few questions for the MSF instructors here, past or present: > > o Nervous students should be common, right? To me it sounds like this > instructor handled the situation really, really poorly. Am I off on that? [Dave] 8 of 10 were nervous in my class, including me ... Once you realize the whole balance thing, it gets a lot easier. I put the bike down too... Braking on a turn. Knew I was going to do it. And, I found a way to do it. Once I saw it successfully executed, it all made sense, and I spent the rest of the day rubber side down. > > o Should students arrive in class with at least *some* riding experience? > Backyard or parking lot anyway, so they are at least somewhat practiced at > operating a bike? Or is the course intended for first time riders? [Dave] Moped? Scooter? It doesn't get more basic than BRC. I had zero motorcycle experience when I took BRC, got my license that day. Ok, I had the learner's permit, but hadn't ridden, just took the test... > o What should a student without any prior riding experience (other than > pedal bikes) expect to accomplish in a BRC course? [Dave] Pass. > Should they expect to > be able to ride well enough to pass the licence exam? Should they expect > to be able to ride well enough to practice more on their own to pass the > license exam? Something else? [Dave] "LOOK THROUGH THE TURN!" that's what I heard all day. It sunk in. Got through the helmet fast enough, just not the cranium. By the end of the class, I looked through all turns - cage, bike, bicycle... I even try to help TOWMBO when she's driving by looking through the turn. I'm convinced that someday it WILL help... > > o What other comments come to mind about this situation? [Dave] MB, you might want to consider letting this newbie to their own devices. Motorcycles aren't for everyone, and this _may_ be one who motorcycling is not for. If that is not true, then it should be an accomplishmet of their own pace. > > The student did contact the folks running the BRC course soon after the > class (and before deciding to give up on riding), to ask about future dates > (none for a while). When told why there was interest in re-taking the > course, the student was told that there were some classes in the fall that > would be taught by "more laid-back instructors", implying that perhaps this > instructor is known to be rough on students. I'm assuming that the > instructor is still instructing due to the well-known instructor shortage > if that's true...but in at least one case, this policy has resulted in a > student perhaps giving up the idea of riding completely, and certainly for > an unknown period of time. What happened in class turned the student from > excited, expectant, and looking forward to riding, to fearful, and coming > up with all sorts of excuses about why riding might not be right for them > anyway, and the whole thing was just a big mistake. > > The only bright spot is that this person is now thinking that *if* they > ever decide to try riding again, they may do what I and a couple of others > suggested in the first place, which was to buy a small used bike, like a > Rebel maybe, or even an enduro, and learn to ride off-road first (parking > lots, or if going the enduro route, trail riding, backyard, etc.), *then* > take the BRC course. That way there's no pressure to learn instantly, and > they can take things as slowly as they need to, with no worries about an > expensive, powerful bike getting away from them. There are a number of > folks who've volunteered to help this person learn, both before the class, > and after, so there's no shortage of help available. > > Comments? [Dave] Dirt bike? crashes are generally less painful than asphalt. Again, this person may not be the best candidate or, may not be in the correct mindset to make this leap at this time. I suggest letting them decide on their own... The instructors in my class had to cut someone loose also, and one other failed the MVA d/l test. But, realistically, do you want them putting unprepared riders on the street? Give it time, maybe they'll give it another try, but don't force it upon them... My few pieces of eight.. Dave From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 24 20:51:01 2004 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 17:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Mike Bartman This person might just not be cut out for riding a motorcycle, just like Dave says. It's normal and quite healthy to be nervous or even afraid when learning to ride, but you have to get that under control. You should not be on a bike until you can control that. I'd guess that the instructor asked your friend to step out because the instructor was trying to keep your friend from hurting himself/herself, or from making things unsafe for the rest of the class. If someone is having that hard a time, they're probably creating a hazard for the other students. An instructor who would let someone stay in the class when it is clear they can't handle the motorcycle is not doing anyone any favors. I'd also think anyone taking the class would want the most challenging instructor, not the least. If you have to work harder to pass, you are going to learn more and be a safer rider. The most "laid back" instructor might not give you all the skills you need. It's not like high school art class. If you pass and you don't deserve it, you could end up getting hurt or worse. Let your friend decide for himself if he wants to try again. If so, encourage him to start out on a beater. Maybe a few one-on-one lessons with a friend, in a parking lot or such, before the class would help your friend calm down enough to make it through the class. Maybe he gets it the second time around, maybe not. I'm not trying to rub it in here, but this story is one of the big reasons I think people who don't know how to ride should not buy brand-new bikes. I think your friend is just lucky he found this out in the class instead of on the street on a brand new Harley. Cheers, Patti __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 25 00:40:29 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 00:45:04 -0400 Subject: fs: avon azaros (used) F=120/70x17; R=160/60x17 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" FS: used Avon Azaro tires av39 [front 120/70xZR17 azaro sport II] and av36 [rear 160/60xZR17 azaro II]. No punctures/patches, looks like more than half the tread remains. Lowest internet price is over $100 each. Mid-DC, near the Zoo. $25 each. --garcia From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 25 03:04:16 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:36:56 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. At 06:50 PM 7/24/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: > >> I know someone who was all excited about bikes and learning to ride. ... >> This is part of a message I got about the class experience: >[Dave] MB, I'm not an MSF instructor, but learned to ride in the BRC and >offer my comments... Thank you! I'm replying off list, as I don't want to interrupt anyone's contributions to the thread, but I wanted to respond with a thank you, and a couple of comments. >> o Should students arrive in class with at least *some* riding experience? >> Backyard or parking lot anyway, so they are at least somewhat practiced at >> operating a bike? Or is the course intended for first time riders? > >[Dave] Moped? Scooter? It doesn't get more basic than BRC. It's not the basicness I was thinking of, more the time allotted. Some people learn faster than others, and personality affects how one relates to the instructor and how well one learns in a class situation, regardless of what's being taught. >I had zero motorcycle experience when I took BRC, got my license that day. >Ok, I had the learner's permit, but hadn't ridden, just took the test... I once dated a girl who's brother was a natural athlete. He'd done gymnastics since age 12, among other things, and when in college he bought a motorcycle. A week later he was doing block-long wheelies. Not everyone learns that fast though. You sound like you're at the quick end of the spectrum as far as bikes go. I taught myself to ride, and probably didn't spend any more time than you did in class (16 hours?) doing it, but I spread it out over several weeks...an hour here, a couple there. I also had no pressure to master any given aspect in a fixed, and unknown, amount of time...I could keep working on whatever I was having problems with, and move quickly past the things I had no problems with. I'm not at all sure I'd have been able to learn what was needed in two days of riding, even 8 hours a day, in a class situation. Too many factors involved in a class that are counter-productive to learning for me. Not everyone is bothered by them though. >[Dave] "LOOK THROUGH THE TURN!" that's what I heard all day. It I heard the same thing in the ERC course last spring... ;-) >> o What other comments come to mind about this situation? > >[Dave] MB, you might want to consider letting this newbie to their own >devices. >Motorcycles aren't for everyone, and this _may_ be one who motorcycling is >not for. If that is not true, then it should be an accomplishmet of their >own pace. Agree completely. I've offered advice ahead of time (not heeded), been supportive, offered to make practice legal (she has a learner's permit), but I haven't pushed. It wasn't necessary prior to the class, and, as you say, not wise now. I've just said if and when, let me know how I can help, and left it at that. >[Dave] Dirt bike? crashes are generally less painful than asphalt. That was my advice prior to the class. It's the way I learned (enduro though...same bike was used to learn street riding when I was ready for that. It was an '83 Yamaha XT-550. A nice bike, but a bitch to kick start when hot until I learned to leave the petcock turned off until it was running if it had only been shut down for a few mintutes (like when buying gas) ;-). She wasn't interested in doing it that way...though she's said now that maybe it would have been a better way to go, and if she decides later to learn, she may go that way. > Again, this person >may not be the best candidate or, may not be in the correct mindset to make >this leap at this time. I suggest letting them decide on their own... That's the way I see it. Her confidence is toast at the moment, and so she's thinking up all sorts of reasons why riding isn't a good idea for her. At least she's not ruling it out entirely forever. Pushing would be stupid. Either she changes her mind on her own and finds a way to learn that suits her, or she sticks with four wheels. At least she's said she doesn't have a problem with being a passenger... >The instructors in my class had to cut someone loose also, and one other >failed the >MVA d/l test. But, realistically, do you want them putting unprepared >riders on the street? No, not at all. I'd hope though that they'd find a way to teach everyone who wants to learn, not tell them they aren't learning fast enough with the instruction given, so they should give up. Understanding why a student is having a problem can usually lead to a different way to instruct them, if the instructor is good enough. Instructors should show, but they should also remove barriers that are keeping students from learning...whatever those might be...if at all possible. I had that happen all the time in Aikido...I'd be struggling with some new technique, some of the senior students would try to show me what I was doing wrong by demonstrating it again and again, or making small position changes for me, but it wouldn't happen. Then the chief instructor (36 years on the mat) would come over, stop us, say exactly the right thing to shift my mental viewpoint into a different track, and things would suddenly start working. Showing how to do it works for some people, not for others...some folks need to be taught differently. One of the problems with the show-do method of teaching is that until the student reaches a high enough level of understanding, they may not see what is being shown. For instance, in Aikido, the instructor showed a technique three times...and did it three different ways. I asked which was the way I should do it, and he replied that he'd done it the same way each time. I said, no, he'd done it differently each time. He asked what I meant. I said, well, the first time you pivoted around your right leg. The second time you pivoted around your central axis. The third time you pivoted about a point a foot to your right. He said, yes, the attacks were slightly different each time...but he'd done the technique exactly the same way each time...starting with a pivot to get out of the way of the attacker. He "got off the line" every time, just enough to let the attacker go past him...same way each time, though the movements required in each case were slightly different. Until that moment I hadn't known enough to see what was important about what he was showing, so I was learning the wrong things. I still think he did that whole thing on purpose so I'd learn that point... ;-) Thanks for the reply! -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 25 03:15:48 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 03:15:50 -0400 To: "Dave Yates" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. At 02:36 AM 7/25/04 -0400, Mike Bartman wrote: >At 06:50 PM 7/24/04 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >>[Dave] MB, I'm not an MSF instructor, but learned to ride in the BRC and >>offer my comments... > >Thank you! I'm replying off list, as I don't want to interrupt anyone's >contributions to the thread, but I wanted to respond with a thank you, and >a couple of comments. Oh well, I *intended* to reply off list...and I still don't want to interrupt anyone's contributions to the thread! Time to get some sleep... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 25 17:25:31 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Sunday Morning Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Now that I have the new bike, I wanted to take a short but nice ride to see how she feels but without giving me the opportunity to push the corners and wipe out. I am a careful rider but it is a new bike. At 10am I got my gear together, including wet weather just in case. I have a comm system so I plugged in the cell phone so Rita can contact me in case of a problem and plugged in the iPod for some tunes. I find that tunes lets me focus on what I'm doing and not be distracted. I headed out from Broomfield down to 287 and up to Louisville. The day is beautiful and the perfect temperature for a ride. I got on 42 and then 36 and finally made a left on Canyon Road. They're tearing it up but the bike seems to handle it without any dancing. As the road turns into two lane, I find myself behind a line of 5 cars a full sized van and a truck pulling a horse trailer. Perfect. This will keep me at a good speed and I won't be tempted to push the bike. Exactly what I expected. There are a few cotton ball clouds on the ride up. The rock formations look great and it looks nice and cool under the trees. The river is running a bit higher and there are plenty of cars parked on the side of the road. The curves are nice and being able to concentrate on the bike and how it feels in the curves is welcome. From the rains, there's a bit of sand on the road but very little in the curves. The bike seems very solid and there's none of the slight wobble I get on the 750, probably because of my size. At the first "keep right except to pass", I'm not really paying attention and maintain my position. A few cars pass the horse trailer and the rest of us move up. At the next "keep right", I'm watching and follow a car who is passing the horse trailer. Now there's just the one car in front. At the first place where I can pass, I zip by and she does zip. In a few minutes of enjoying a little faster ride I'm up to the first cars that passed the trailer. A few minutes of riding behind them and there's another passing zone. Zip and I'm by again, just in time to pass the dam. A few more nice turns and I'm in Nederland down to 35 and then 25. A stop at public parking to stretch my legs and enjoy the sun. There's about a 10 to 1 ratio of cruisers to sport bikes riding through town still I wave to the guys as they pass. I check the bike out and all seem well, she's not even breathing hard :-) I get suited back up, get on and head out of the parking lot. At the entrance there's a bunch of sand and the rear slides a bit as I leave. I make a right and head up the hill. There's a Jeep in front of me that nicely pulls aside after the first turn. I wave after I pass and begin the ride up. It's still a very nice day and there's no reason to break out the wet weather gear. Blue sky and cool breezes. Perfect riding weather. After a few miles, I find the left turn for Rt 72 and make the turn. While there is some traffic coming towards me, there's no one in front or behind. The road is freshly paved with the little splotches of yellow indicating where the center of the road is. The sand is in the road, in places quite wide swatches of it but still none in the curves. The railroad bed is to my right and I recall the track crossing coming up ahead. Sure enough, there's the 35 mph and then the 25 mph for town and 15 to cross the tracks. A look and a nod to a biker parked on the side of the road and I'm through town and up the hill. I come around and down to the bottom again. On the way up, I see a cop sitting on the right side pointing up hill and behind the 30 mph sign. He eyed me on the way by but I'm doing 30. As I get up to the hairpin and out of his sight, I wave down the next two vehicles I see and continue on. Now I'm getting on the tighter turns and discover a few curves with sand and the back end does a tiny slide. Lots of property for sale. Must have realized how cold it is when living at the top of a mountain :-) I get to the top and see several bikes parked at the restaurant including a few sport bikes. The ride the rest of the way down the hill is as nice as the ride up 119. Wider turns, new pavement and little traffic. I come out to the plain and open her up just a little. At the intersection of 93, I make the left and head on down. The car in front of me is poking along so at the first chance I begin to pass. I guess he realized I was passing because he began to accelerate. A tiny bit of acceleration and I'm by him and back in the lane (look down and I'm at 110 !), slow back down and slowly catch up with traffic. At 128, make the right turn and head back home. At the light where I make my left, there's a guy on a custom and we chat briefly before the light changes. Gas up at the station and pull in to the garage. The bike seems to be pretty nimble to me. It's a lot more stable in the curves than the 750 is, again it may be because of my size vs the two bikes. I seem to be a bit farther over the front of the 750 than I am on the 'busa. I also notice that my feet are able to comfortably get on to the pegs. I have to lean the 750 over a tad to get my foot on the peg. It's worse when I have my JR pants on especially with the quilted lining. As far as the ride, it's a _lot_ smoother both on the flatland and in the mountains. I'm looking forward to a longer trip. Speaking of a longer trip. Rita has purchased an old Goldwing trike (1200) from a dealer in Ohio. She's taking the train to Akron and I'm going to take a bike. We'll meet there and we'll drive back together. I'll be leaving bright and early Wednesday morning. Excellent :-) Hope you enjoyed your day as well. Carl ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 02 Suzuki GSX1300RX (Hayabusa) 95 Suzuki GSX-R750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sun Jul 25 18:00:29 2004 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carl Schelin Subject: Re: Sunday Morning Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Oh, there's a map over here if you want to see the route. http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/20040725/index.html A copy of the ad for the bike is here: http://www.geocities.com/dm_gsxr/hayabusa.html And in the background here: http://www.hobgoblinconsulting.com/photos/index.html Carl --- Carl Schelin wrote: > Now that I have the new bike, I wanted to take a short but nice ride to > see how she feels but without giving me the opportunity to push the > corners and wipe out. I am a careful rider but it is a new bike. > ===== 02 Harley FXSTI 02 Suzuki GSX1300RX (Hayabusa) 95 Suzuki GSX-R750W 76 Honda Chopper (in progress) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 08:15:59 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:19:21 -0400 Good. Anyone stupid enough to: (1) Buy a new motorcycle and not know how to ride, and (2) Get kicked out of the MSF BRC would probably do stupid sh!t on said motorcycle and give us all a bad name. --jon (cornflakes tasted funny this morning, sorry) ----- Original Message ----- > I know someone who was all excited about bikes and learning to ride. This > person bought a bike and signed up for the BRC in Maryland. Had to wait > several months for the class, and the bike (a Sportster) arrived a couple > of weeks prior to the class. This person didn't make it through the class, > is now selling the new bike, and has put off, perhaps permanently, any > decision to learn to ride. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 09:34:42 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:34:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang Sent: Jul 26, 2004 8:19 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Good. Anyone stupid enough to: (1) Buy a new motorcycle and not know how to ride, and (2) Get kicked out of the MSF BRC would probably do stupid sh!t on said motorcycle and give us all a bad name. --jon (cornflakes tasted funny this morning, sorry) ----- Original Message ----- > I know someone who was all excited about bikes and learning to ride. This > person bought a bike and signed up for the BRC in Maryland. Had to wait > several months for the class, and the bike (a Sportster) arrived a couple > of weeks prior to the class. This person didn't make it through the class, > is now selling the new bike, and has put off, perhaps permanently, any > decision to learn to ride. ------------- Speaking entirely for myself and not knowing all the particulars first hand: 1) It is the student's responsibility to *learn* how to ride; it is not our responsibility to *teach* you how to ride, if you see the difference. We will do everything in our power, while maintaining a safe environment, to facilitate that learning and coach you on your progress. I will even do remedial personalized instruction as time and manpower permit. Still, we cannot guarantee that everyone will succeed. This is not the "No Biker Left Behind" program. Everyone starts the course with the clear understanding that riding is not for everyone and what the expectations are. 2) No one, at least not in my experience, is asked to stop riding unless the person is a threat to range safety. (Usually they excuse themselves before it reaches that stage.) MSF has two criteria for dismissing a student from further riding: the person's riding constitutes a safety hazard, or the student repeatedly fails to respond to coaching. In Virginia these criteria are read aloud, boilerplate fashion, at the beginning of the class. No one should be "surprised" when asked to cease riding, unless the instructors have been colossally unclear or the student wasn't paying attention. 3) If a student has "issues" with a particular instructor, it's best taken up in writing with the site coordinator or the state program administrator. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 10:11:58 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. To: Jon Strang , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Jon Strang wrote: > Good. Anyone stupid enough to: > (1) Buy a new motorcycle and not know how to ride, > and > (2) Get kicked out of the MSF BRC > would probably do stupid sh!t on said motorcycle and > give us all a bad > name. > > --jon > (cornflakes tasted funny this morning, sorry) whew. i'm happy that someone had enough balls to point out that not everything has to be someone else's fault. new h-d before the brc? lol. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > I know someone who was all excited about bikes and > learning to ride. This > > person bought a bike and signed up for the BRC in > Maryland. Had to wait > > several months for the class, and the bike (a > Sportster) arrived a couple > > of weeks prior to the class. This person didn't make > it through the > class, > > is now selling the new bike, and has put off, perhaps > permanently, any > > decision to learn to ride. > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 16:06:32 2004 From: "Rob Sharp" To: Mike Bartman , Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:06:39 -0400 When I took the class one other rider and myself could ride (I had my MC license) had any riding experience. Lots of women who had rode on the back all their lives and want to have their own bike. We started off sitting on the bike and pushing it accross the course with no power and the bike off, then stepped up to doing it with the bike on, and then feathering the clutch but still taking steps. It was a super slow start. My instructor kept tell me it would get better in a bit and to just hang in there. It definetly got better and I learned a ton even though I had been riding for the previous 3 months up to it. I wasn't nervous, but lots of people were. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 16:25:20 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 16:25:10 -0400 > > From: "Rob Sharp" > Date: 2004/07/26 Mon PM 04:06:39 EDT > To: Mike Bartman , > Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. > > When I took the class one other rider and myself could ride (I had my MC > license) had any riding experience. Lots of women who had rode on the back > all their lives and want to have their own bike. > > We started off sitting on the bike and pushing it accross the course with no > power and the bike off, then stepped up to doing it with the bike on, and > then feathering the clutch but still taking steps. It was a super slow start. > My instructor kept tell me it would get better in a bit and to just hang in > there. It definetly got better and I learned a ton even though I had been > riding for the previous 3 months up to it. > > I wasn't nervous, but lots of people were. > > Rob > > -- > Rob Sharp > rob@XXXXXX > My wife never set foot on a bike and she took and passed the course about 7 years ago. It's not that difficult but I agree, it's not a course designed to teach everything there is to know about riding a bike. Riding a bike isn't for everyone. Some people just aren't cut out for two wheels. That's the harsh reality of it. I'd much rather they realize that in a controlled environment than in front of me or a cage. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 17:00:56 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:02:02 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. At 04:25 PM 7/26/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > > Riding a bike isn't for everyone. Some people just aren't cut out for two >wheels. That's the harsh reality of it. I'd much rather they realize that in a >controlled environment than in front of me or a cage. I agree it's not for everyone. People whose reaction to being overwhelmed with events is to throw their hands up, close their eyes, and mentally freeze up for instance. I wouldn't want such people driving a car either BTW. There are other people though, who can learn to ride just fine, though they may not do well in a class format. They may need more time, a different set of exercises, a different order of presentation, a different ratio of time spent on various exercises, a different bike, a class with less physically gifted other students, or to be taught by someone with a different personality or approach. The same is true in *any* class situation. Classes are for the average, not for the rest. They sort of have to be, but that doesn't change the fact that some people learn well in class settings, and others don't. That they don't doesn't mean they can't learn, it just means they need a different approach. Until you've exhausted all available approaches, or at least a few of them, you shouldn't decide you can't learn something, whether it's riding a moto, shooting, playing an instrument, doing math, welding, surfing, flying, or anything else. Oh, and that a given student doesn't learn doesn't necessarily mean there's anything wrong with the class or the instructor. It may just mean there's a mismatch and some other method is needed in that case. I know the "some gots it, some ain't!" concept has a certain macho appeal to a few folks, but it's not true in as many cases as might at first appear. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 17:02:07 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'adamme1@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:05:49 -0400 This is exactly right. Some people just aren't wired to ride a bike. My GF thought she might like to learn to ride when I brought home the ("cute") HawkGT. Off to MSF first. There on the first day out on the range she wheelied the bike across the lot and ended in a crash. Twice. She left voluntarily in a bundle of tears (both physical and emotional). After that it was solved; she'd be happy to ride on the back. That's just the way it goes, but some people just get on and go. Mike - got on and went. -----Original Message----- From: adamme1@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 7/26/2004 4:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. > My wife never set foot on a bike and she took and passed the course about 7 years ago. It's not that difficult but I agree, it's not a course designed to teach everything there is to know about riding a bike. Riding a bike isn't for everyone. Some people just aren't cut out for two wheels. That's the harsh reality of it. I'd much rather they realize that in a controlled environment than in front of me or a cage. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 17:16:02 2004 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 17:17:15 -0400 To: Lister Lynch , "'adamme1@XXXXXX '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. At 05:05 PM 7/26/04 -0400, Lister Lynch wrote: >HawkGT. Off to MSF first. There on the first day out on the range she >wheelied the bike across the lot and ended in a crash. Twice. She left >voluntarily in a bundle of tears (both physical and emotional). Sounds like she was using the bars as a grab rail rather than a control... >After that it was solved; she'd be happy to ride on the back. That's just >the way it goes, but some people just get on and go. Yes, natural ability varies a lot. I'd been pretending that my pedal bikes were motorcycles for so many years that when I finally got a chance to ride a bike with an engine, I had little trouble. I was careful with the throttle until I learned how responsive it was (not much...it was a Honda Trail 70! ;-), but it was mostly just fun. Same thing with another friend's 250cc Kawasaki enduro...though I did manage to crash once on that (hit a small log that was lying across the trail at an angle...got thrown about 10', but not hurt. Just lost a shoe on the clutch lever. The bike wasn't damaged either). When I got my Yamaha XT-550 in '83 I started out in the back yard, and had no problems with it at all. A few weeks of that and playing in the parking lot of a nearby school on weekends and I was ready to try the license test...which I would have passed if they'd been clearer about what they wanted done. Passed it easily on the second try though. On the other hand, I once had a girlfriend whose brother was a natural athlete. Got his first moto, and a week later could wheelie it all the way down the block with good control. Ran an impromptu obstacle course with him once...his time was a fraction of the second best time...but he did things like running over the arched bars, rather than going over them on all fours and turning around at the top like everyone else! He was also smart (engineering degree from MIT) and played the guitar well, writing his own music too. He'd have been real easy to hate if he hadn't been such a nice guy too! ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 20:48:49 2004 From: "W.S." To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Proposed -- MSF training for electees Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:48:23 -0400 http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/ SIPDE (Perhaps changed? Those in the saddle a few years remember Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute.) Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Read me pages 339-on again. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Mon Jul 26 23:37:00 2004 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/21/04 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 23:36:33 -0400 Hey all, I have a 1993 kawasaki ex 500. I am toying with selling it. I am hoping for about $1600. anybody know anybody that might be interested? Again I have not decided to sell it yet, it was for my girlfriend but she just may just have to suck it up, I need to buy a house and she really hasn't ridden it. Only 22 mi since I got it this winter past. Let me know. Shanesr74@XXXXXX Thanks shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 00:26:25 2004 From: "John Finity" To: Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. & retarded response Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 00:26:18 -0400 What a juvenile, retarded, thoughtless remark. Rather ride with the BRC dropout. Shaking my head... >Reply-To: "Jon Strang" >From: "Jon Strang" >To: >Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:19:21 -0400 >Good. Anyone stupid enough to: > (1) Buy a new motorcycle and not know how to ride, and > (2) Get kicked out of the MSF BRC > would probably do stupid sh!t on said motorcycle and give us all a bad >name. >--jon From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 07:17:37 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 04:17:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. & retarded response To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX i hear she has a nice loop from the garage, over the hedge, into the mailbox, and back. give us a ride report, will ya? --- John Finity wrote: > What a juvenile, retarded, thoughtless remark. Rather > ride with the BRC > dropout. > Shaking my head... > > >Reply-To: "Jon Strang" > >From: "Jon Strang" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course > student...not so good. > >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:19:21 -0400 > > >Good. Anyone stupid enough to: > > (1) Buy a new motorcycle and not know how to ride, > and > > (2) Get kicked out of the MSF BRC > > would probably do stupid sh!t on said motorcycle and > give us all a bad > >name. > > >--jon > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 08:16:13 2004 From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Rob Sharp'" , Mike Bartman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:16:00 -0400 We had a lot of people that had gotten new bikes most of them HDs. One of which was a State trooper who joked with me about having a sportbike. I had been riding for a while and wanted a discount on my insurance so I took the course. Anyway this trooper was about the worst MC rider I've ever seen ( I hope he improved or sold his bike) he dropped the bike and put his foot down doing the figure eight. He kept bragging that he just ordered his Road King to drive on this long trip with some buddies. Nice guy but I got tired of his bashing sportbikes. You should have seen his face when he didn't pass and I passed and got a gift certificate to Frederick Harley for having the best score on the written and riding course. Sorry if Im rambling it's still early for me yet. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Sharp [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:07 PM To: Mike Bartman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. When I took the class one other rider and myself could ride (I had my MC license) had any riding experience. Lots of women who had rode on the back all their lives and want to have their own bike. We started off sitting on the bike and pushing it accross the course with no power and the bike off, then stepped up to doing it with the bike on, and then feathering the clutch but still taking steps. It was a super slow start. My instructor kept tell me it would get better in a bit and to just hang in there. It definetly got better and I learned a ton even though I had been riding for the previous 3 months up to it. I wasn't nervous, but lots of people were. Rob -- Rob Sharp rob@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 08:32:16 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: Re: Experience ...mentallly challenged response Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:35:45 -0400 Knock yourself out d00d, or let your BRC-dropout riding partner do it for you when he takes you out with his shiny, new, and dropped only thrice H-D. --jon p.s. I prefer the terms "special" or "mentally challenged" vice "retarded". ----- "John Finity" thoughtfully wrote: > What a juvenile, retarded, thoughtless remark. Rather ride with the BRC > dropout. > Shaking my head... > > >Reply-To: "Jon Strang" > >From: "Jon Strang" > >To: > >Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. > >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:19:21 -0400 > > >Good. Anyone stupid enough to: > > (1) Buy a new motorcycle and not know how to ride, and > > (2) Get kicked out of the MSF BRC > > would probably do stupid sh!t on said motorcycle and give us all a bad > >name. > > >--jon > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 09:31:00 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:38:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Kathleen E. Miller" Subject: RE: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. At 08:16 AM 7/27/2004, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >he dropped the bike and put his foot down doing the figure eight. When I took the course at NOVA in 1997, if you dropped one of the course bikes you were out. No excuses, no questions asked. Just out. It happened to one of the ladies in the class. Lost control, couldn't stop and went careening towards the median between the parking lot and the road, hit the curb and the bike came to an abrupt stop on its side. She begged forgiveness and to stay but the instructor wouldn't have it. Rules is rules. KTB From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 09:41:40 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:41:35 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" My wife had a similar experience last year. A few hours into the range exercises, she target-fixated, forgot where the brakes were, hit a curb, and went over the handlebars and got an ambulance ride to the ER for x-rays. At the time she said she wanted to try again, but it's apparent now that she was too spooked by the whole experience. On Jul 26, 2004, at 5:05 PM, Lister Lynch wrote: > This is exactly right. Some people just aren't wired to ride a bike. > My > GF thought she might like to learn to ride when I brought home the > ("cute") > HawkGT. Off to MSF first. There on the first day out on the range she > wheelied the bike across the lot and ended in a crash. Twice. She > left > voluntarily in a bundle of tears (both physical and emotional). > > After that it was solved; she'd be happy to ride on the back. That's > just > the way it goes, but some people just get on and go. > > Mike - got on and went. > > -----Original Message----- > From: adamme1@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Sent: 7/26/2004 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so > good. > > >> > My wife never set foot on a bike and she took and passed the > course about 7 years ago. It's not that difficult but I agree, it's > not > a course designed to teach everything there is to know about riding a > bike. Riding a bike isn't for everyone. Some people just aren't cut > out for two wheels. That's the harsh reality of it. I'd much rather > they realize that in a controlled environment than in front of me or a > cage. > > -aki > > Stephen C. Miller James Buchanan Center Fellow Center for the Study of Public Choice George Mason University From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 09:50:16 2004 Subject: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:50:04 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: All, I was talking to a very interesting moto techie who wandered into my bar last night. Despite not having a bike he had some very interesting things to say about riding and biking. He strongly recommended I change the oil on my R6 every 2000 miles or so, especially if I approach that 15.5k redline on a regular basis. Is there anyone out here that would be willing to help me do this? I could provide, lunch, drinks..or some cash..whatever works To use a tech phrase I detest: DATAPOINT... According to the guy who resides in Darnestown, MC LEO's now have five modified Hayabusas they use to interdict late night high speed moto traffic so be exceptionally careful on the 270 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 09:56:51 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 09:56:42 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 At 09:50 AM 7/27/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >He strongly recommended I change the oil on my >R6 every 2000 miles or so, especially if I approach that 15.5k redline >on a regular basis. Do what the MFG recommends and nothing more. The worst advice comes from guys that don't even ride, but have strong opinions on how YOU should ride and maintain. That said, if you want to ride to Eastern PWC (near Manassas) you can change your oil any time in my garage. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 09:58:46 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > I was talking to a very interesting moto techie who wandered into my bar > last night. > Despite not having a bike he had some very interesting things to say > about riding and biking. He strongly recommended I change the oil on my > R6 every 2000 miles or so, especially if I approach that 15.5k redline > on a regular basis. Is there anyone out here that would be willing to > help me do this? I could provide, lunch, drinks..or some cash..whatever > works Depending on your oil, a longer interval is more appropriate. The best way to tell is to take a sample and send it out for analysis (Blackstone Labs is probably the most popular). At 2000 miles your oil is still new on a street bike (even if you have a trackday mixed in there). On my bike and cars, I go 4000-10000 miles between changes, depending on use. If you go more than 5000 miles between changes, most would recommend a filter change, especially on newer engines that are still throwing bearing and ring material in the oil (and motorcycles throwing clutch and transmission material :-) ). -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:20:52 2004 Subject: RE: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:20:42 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" , The manual says every 4000 miles....yet I have heard that most mechanics recommend more frequent oil changes...the loose theory being that if you double your oil changes you double the life of your engine. Thanks to all who offered garage assistance..much appreciated will be in touch. I have never done an oil change before and need to figure out what to buy and what oil to use. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:13 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > I was talking to a very interesting moto techie who wandered into my > bar last night. > Despite not having a bike he had some very interesting things to say > about riding and biking. He strongly recommended I change the oil on > my > R6 every 2000 miles or so, especially if I approach that 15.5k redline > on a regular basis. Is there anyone out here that would be willing to > help me do this? I could provide, lunch, drinks..or some > cash..whatever works Depending on your oil, a longer interval is more appropriate. The best way to tell is to take a sample and send it out for analysis (Blackstone Labs is probably the most popular). At 2000 miles your oil is still new on a street bike (even if you have a trackday mixed in there). On my bike and cars, I go 4000-10000 miles between changes, depending on use. If you go more than 5000 miles between changes, most would recommend a filter change, especially on newer engines that are still throwing bearing and ring material in the oil (and motorcycles throwing clutch and transmission material :-) ). -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:21:46 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > To use a tech phrase I detest: > DATAPOINT... > According to the guy who resides in Darnestown, MC LEO's now have five > modified Hayabusas they use to interdict late night high speed moto > traffic so be exceptionally careful on the 270 > Hahaha... man that is funny. Why was this guy in the bar if he was already hopped up on crack? From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:23:15 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Julian Halton" Cc: Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:25:53 -0400 Julian, I live in Arlington--a few minutes from the Clarendon area. An oil change should only take a few minutes if you bring oil and filter. I'll put the old oil into the now-empty new oil containers for easy disposal at your friendly local oil recycler. Email me when needed and we'll try to match schedules. That said, 2,000 mile oil changes is way too often. It won't hurt anything (except your wallet and the environment). Freaky-freak anal retentive types (like me) go for 3-4k miles. Reasonable folks follow the manual, since the guys who designed it know best. They may just suspect that R6 owners might run up around the redline now and again. FWIW, the 'extreme conditions' for increased frequency of oil changes usually include dusty areas and/or lots of idling. --jon p.s. Cops on 'Busas just sounds like an urban myth. I can't imagine any bureaucracy being that nice to a bike cop. ----- "Julian Halton" queried: > > All, > > > I was talking to a very interesting moto techie who wandered into my bar > last night. > Despite not having a bike he had some very interesting things to say > about riding and biking. He strongly recommended I change the oil on my > R6 every 2000 miles or so, especially if I approach that 15.5k redline > on a regular basis. Is there anyone out here that would be willing to > help me do this? I could provide, lunch, drinks..or some cash..whatever > works > > To use a tech phrase I detest: > DATAPOINT... > According to the guy who resides in Darnestown, MC LEO's now have five > modified Hayabusas they use to interdict late night high speed moto > traffic so be exceptionally careful on the 270 > > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:27:57 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: RE: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Julian Halton wrote: > The manual says every 4000 miles....yet I have heard that most mechanics > recommend more frequent oil changes...the loose theory being that if you > double your oil changes you double the life of your engine. That theory is not correct. Also, frequent, unnecessary oil changes causes a huge increase in waste oil. Unless you have built your own engine, just follow the manufacturers recommendations. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:36:51 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:36:34 -0400 To: "Jon Strang" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Experience ...mentallly challenged response At 08:35 AM 7/27/04 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >p.s. I prefer the terms "special" or "mentally challenged" vice "retarded". Most retarded people do. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:39:00 2004 From: "Bruce N" To: Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:31:44 -0400 Not this (former) mechanic, nor any of the mechanics I know. Modern manufacturing and materials handling techniques have improved quality and reliability by leaps and bounds. The manufacturer's recommended service intervals are conservative and do not need to be exceeded. Doing anything more than that is a waste of money, time, and effort, and adds more used oil to the recycling system. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Halton" To: "Wayne Edelen" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 > The manual says every 4000 miles....yet I have heard that most mechanics > recommend more frequent oil changes...the loose theory being that if you > double your oil changes you double the life of your engine. > > Thanks to all who offered garage assistance..much appreciated will be in > touch. I have never done an oil change before and need to figure out > what to buy and what oil to use. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:44:37 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:42:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: RE: Experience of one MSF BRC course student...not so good. At 09:38 AM 7/27/04 -0400, Kathleen E. Miller wrote: >At 08:16 AM 7/27/2004, Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS) wrote: >>he dropped the bike and put his foot down doing the figure eight. > >When I took the course at NOVA in 1997, if you dropped one of the course >bikes you were out. No excuses, no questions asked. Just out. > >It happened to one of the ladies in the class. Lost control, couldn't stop >and went careening towards the median between the parking lot and the road, >hit the curb and the bike came to an abrupt stop on its side. Based on what I've been hearing from some of the MSF instructors here, dropping a bike per se isn't grounds for dismissal. There were very specific reasons for being asked to leave the class, and dropping the bike wasn't one of them. On the other hand, being a safety hazard to yourself or other students in the class *is* one of the reasons for asking a student to leave, and losing control, not being able to stop until you hit something, and doing so in a direction that might have put you into traffic if you hadn't crashed...that sounds a lot like a "safety hazard to yourself or other students" to me... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 10:54:03 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:54:01 -0400 To: Troutman , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 At 09:56 AM 7/27/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 09:50 AM 7/27/2004, Julian Halton wrote: >>He strongly recommended I change the oil on my >>R6 every 2000 miles or so, especially if I approach that 15.5k redline >>on a regular basis. > >Do what the MFG recommends and nothing more. The worst advice comes from >guys that don't even ride, but have strong opinions on how YOU should ride >and maintain. I'd say do *at least* what the Manufacturer suggests. If you want to do more, you aren't likely to do any harm, other than short term damage to your wallet, and you may do some good for your wallet in the long run. Julian said the guy didn't ride, but he also said he was a "moto techie" (which I translated as "mechanic"), so I'd tend to grant the guy more knowledge of what a bike needs than the average throttle twister has. One of the more experienced Battley's techs mentioned in a seminar on how to do your own bike maintenance last fall that changing the oil frequently, even more often than the manufacturer suggests, can seriously improve engine longevity. He said there was one guy who had changed his every 1000-1500 miles since the bike was new, and when they opened the motor up at about 75,000 miles, it looked new and measured out to nearly new specs...i.e. almost no wear. Other engines, with oil changes at manufacturer suggested intervals of 2500-3000 miles, are much more worn after the same number of miles...though generally still running well enough. Regardless of miles, it always a good idea to change the oil before you put a bike away for the winter. You don't want combustion-byproduct-filled oil sitting in the engine over the winter, collecting condensation and making acid to eat away at your engine's innards for several months at a time... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 11:01:48 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 10:59:11 -0400 To: "Jon Strang" , "Julian Halton" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Cc: At 10:25 AM 7/27/04 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >FWIW, the 'extreme conditions' for increased frequency of oil changes >usually include dusty areas and/or lots of idling. Lots of short trips, where the engine doesn't come up to temp long enough to boil any condensation out of the crankcase oil, are also considered "extreme conditions" in most manuals I've seen, for both cars and bikes. Water in engine oil tends to form various acids, and you don't want those in your engine longer than necessary. >p.s. Cops on 'Busas just sounds like an urban myth. I can't imagine any >bureaucracy being that nice to a bike cop. Or the legal profession... -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 11:14:22 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Wayne Edelen To: Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > One of the more experienced Battley's techs mentioned in a seminar on how > to do your own bike maintenance last fall that changing the oil frequently, > even more often than the manufacturer suggests, can seriously improve > engine longevity. He said there was one guy who had changed his every > 1000-1500 miles since the bike was new, and when they opened the motor up > at about 75,000 miles, it looked new and measured out to nearly new > specs...i.e. almost no wear. Other engines, with oil changes at > manufacturer suggested intervals of 2500-3000 miles, are much more worn > after the same number of miles...though generally still running well enough. Instead of guessing, based on incorrect 3rd-hand information, have your oil analyzed. Changing at 1500 vs. manufacturers recommendations will not cause a measureable difference in wear. Driving styles and use will cause a significant difference, though. Much like people using premium fuel vs. regular, it's a waste of money. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 11:30:47 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 08:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Mike Bartman wrote: > One of the more experienced Battley's techs mentioned in a seminar on how > to do your own bike maintenance last fall that changing the oil frequently... Instead of guessing, based on incorrect 3rd-hand information, have your oil analyzed. Changing at 1500 vs. manufacturers recommendations will not cause a measureable difference in wear. Driving styles and use will cause a significant difference, though. Much like people using premium fuel vs. regular, it's a waste of money. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ ----- FWIW, my VFR owner's manual recommends changes every 4,000 miles and filter changes every 8,000. (Course the ten-year-old manual also says API SG oil) I've been changing oil *and* filter every 6,000 - 7,000 miles in heavy riding "season" and doing an oil-only change at the conclusion of the winter "off-season" regardless of mileage. Anyone wanna buy a "slightly" used VFR with 69,000 miles on it? :) For me that usually means oil changes twice a year, once in the Spring (after a bunch of winter cold starts and short trips) and once in the late Summer, early Autumn after all my big mileage trips are done. These "folk remedy" short interval oil changes seem like severe overkill to me, especially for street riding. Maybe it was true once upon a time, but modern lubricants are so much better than the engine oils of yesteryear that longer intervals are achieveable. A lot of heavy equipment rarely has complete oil changes. They *test* the oil, as Wayne says, and either add new oil or new additives. A lot f bike and cage owners throw away a lot of money (not to mention adding to the used oil disposal problem) with unnecessary oil changes. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 11:59:41 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 11:58:44 -0400 From: Skip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Mike Bartman wrote: > He said there was one guy who had changed his every > 1000-1500 miles since the bike was new, and when they opened the motor up > at about 75,000 miles, it looked new and measured out to nearly new > specs...i.e. almost no wear. if it worked so well, why'd they have to open it up so early? that said, I did valve seals on a saturn engine with 125k that had been mobil 1'd every 3k, and the parts were still in spec for new parts. ymmv, pdoacc From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 12:35:22 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:35:10 -0400 To: Skip From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:58 AM 7/27/04 -0400, Skip wrote: > > >Mike Bartman wrote: > >> He said there was one guy who had changed his every >> 1000-1500 miles since the bike was new, and when they opened the motor up >> at about 75,000 miles, it looked new and measured out to nearly new >> specs...i.e. almost no wear. > >if it worked so well, why'd they have to open it up so early? To put in the stroker kit and replace the cylinders with larger ones...the 103ci conversion. ;-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 12:46:34 2004 From: Daniel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Pocketbike "phenomenon" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:47:32 -0400 >Strangely the clapped-out moped pizza and sandwich deliverers (not to mention scooterists) seem to be exempt from the gaze of our eagle-eyed legislature. of course... they dont' want their ability to order pizza affected... they want to make laws that doesn't affect themselves From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 12:47:21 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 12:47:09 -0400 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/07/27 Tue AM 10:54:01 EDT > To: Troutman , > Subject: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 > > At 09:56 AM 7/27/04 -0400, Troutman wrote: > >At 09:50 AM 7/27/2004, Julian Halton wrote: > >>He strongly recommended I change the oil on my > >>R6 every 2000 miles or so, especially if I approach that 15.5k redline > >>on a regular basis. > > > >Do what the MFG recommends and nothing more. The worst advice comes from > >guys that don't even ride, but have strong opinions on how YOU should ride > >and maintain. > > I'd say do *at least* what the Manufacturer suggests. If you want to do > more, you aren't likely to do any harm, other than short term damage to > your wallet, and you may do some good for your wallet in the long run. > Julian said the guy didn't ride, but he also said he was a "moto techie" > (which I translated as "mechanic"), so I'd tend to grant the guy more > knowledge of what a bike needs than the average throttle twister has. > > One of the more experienced Battley's techs mentioned in a seminar on how > to do your own bike maintenance last fall that changing the oil frequently, > even more often than the manufacturer suggests, can seriously improve > engine longevity. He said there was one guy who had changed his every > 1000-1500 miles since the bike was new, and when they opened the motor up > at about 75,000 miles, it looked new and measured out to nearly new > specs...i.e. almost no wear. Other engines, with oil changes at > manufacturer suggested intervals of 2500-3000 miles, are much more worn > after the same number of miles...though generally still running well enough. ..I assume this was based on *dino* oil correct? The lubrication characteristics of synthetic oil at 1500 and 3000 miles is exactly the same. Unless you're running through the desert, it's foolish to swap out synth oil every 1,500 miles. > > Regardless of miles, it always a good idea to change the oil before you put > a bike away for the winter. You don't want combustion-byproduct-filled oil > sitting in the engine over the winter, collecting condensation and making > acid to eat away at your engine's innards for several months at a time... ..tis very true.. -aki > > > -- Mike B. > > '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) > > Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes > is better. > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 13:37:35 2004 From: Daniel To: Brian Ray Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Accident 7-16-04 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:38:36 -0400 It's good to see that you recognize that you could have done something different, and you learn from the accident. (the measure of a good motorcyclists if you ask me) An accident may be 100% legally the car drivers fault, but from a safety standpoint a motorcyclist needs to be in the mindset of, if you get into an accident, it's your fault, for not riding in a manner to prepare and compensate for the dangerous drivers actions before they happen. You have to figure, if you get into a MC accident, there was something you could have done differently to prevent it.. and from a safety stand point.. that is your fault for not riding safer. But it's not about blame, it's about self safety responsibility. I dislike seeing people just blame others or make up things to blame.. "must have been oil on the road" or "my tire just slipped out" or "i musta hit a bump" or "damn that driver, i know he saw me, or he shoulda looked", and not learning from the accident. But hey we all have accidents, and learn from them, if we are good motorcyclists. No one is an out of the box perfect rider, or ever a perfect rider... so this post definitley isn't about blame. I just wanted to give kudos for taking responsibility, and learning from an accident. Aside from that, I wanted to add, next go around try well ventelated leather gear. A leather is less likely to ride up, or shred. In the summer I wear a perforated leather jacket, jeans, and dirtbike style shin/knee protectors. When it gets cooler, I wear a 2 peice leather suit. Leather just offers so much more protection. If you fall in it, the insurace company wil pay for it anyway, and you can still use it again. (tell them you wanna keep it as a momento/reminder). Anyway, I wish quick and hopefully not too painful recovery! - Danny From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 13:41:30 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 13:41:06 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 At 12:47 PM 7/27/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: Mike Bartman >> engine longevity. He said there was one guy who had changed his every >> 1000-1500 miles since the bike was new, and when they opened the motor up >> at about 75,000 miles, it looked new and measured out to nearly new >> specs...i.e. almost no wear. Other engines, with oil changes at >> manufacturer suggested intervals of 2500-3000 miles, are much more worn >> after the same number of miles...though generally still running well enough. > >..I assume this was based on *dino* oil correct? Yes, I'm pretty sure he'd have mentioned it if it was synthetic...and for most of the time involved H-D didn't approve use of synthetics anyway. >The lubrication characteristics of synthetic oil at 1500 and 3000 miles is >exactly the same. Unless you're running through the desert, it's foolish to >swap out synth oil every 1,500 miles. That makes sense...so long as the bike is riden fairly frequently. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 14:05:45 2004 From: Daniel To: "Julian Halton" Cc: Subject: Re: understanding what goes on in a twisty Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:06:52 -0400 Realize i'm late in this thread.. but wanted to add... a few different things.. First i'm going to thump the bible mantra of go into the curve SLOW so you won't have the problem in the first place.. but that still doesn't help you any should an emergency occur and you do need to tighten up your line. We all make mistakes, so it's good to know proper technique to correct them. But before that, we need to reiterate that you need to program your mind not to panic and do the wrong thing. I'll tell a new rider to imagine scenarios before they go to bed.. and other idle times.. to try to prep your mind to see some "oh my god i'm about to crash" scenarios.. and avoiding the accident through good handling. I figure it like this, braking THEN swerving is good. All I need is an inch, if i can get around the emergency scenario with an inch to spare I can avoid the accidnet, so i'm always willing to try... so if i see somethign wild happen in front of me, I pretty much don't panic, just focus on avoiding it.. through maximum controlled braking, and then swerving if neccessary. So suppose you're in a familiar curve that is always perfect (wrong assuption) you already in the curve going at a spiritied pace, and say a drunk driver, ambulance, or animal come into your lane... now you have to make that decision that you asked about, how to handle the bike.. If you have room to stay in your lane, straighten up, scrub off speed, then dip back into the lean, that's not bad. That is a decent option. A second option is to target fixate on where you want to go, (like look to the inside line), turn your head towards the inside of the curve (watch how the racers go through the curve), (don't worry about where your bike is on the road and how many inches you have here or there, just follow procedures to get you through the curve in a tight line) counter steer more, have your weight shiftted to the inside, smoothly give it gas and more lean, you can scrape hard parts, hold it, and still make it. That's not a bad thing to have your hard parts scrape. It's bad to lose traction, it's bad to come off the gas or panic because hard parts start to scrape. using your brakes may technically tighten your line, but on the street, you're trading some of your holding/turning traction for braking traction.. meaning you're taking away from your traction and could potentially slide out (or hi side).. so on the street, you usually never want to use your brakes in a curve. Even if your tires do slide on you a bid, it's not uncommon for them to catch traction again, and keep on going.. keep that in mind as well. NEVER GIVE UP, Never panic. I think that is the technical answers that you were looking for... but of course it's always better if you've already practice this stuff. It's important for your mind to be prepared and trained to handle the bike like this.. So I have to strongly 2nd the recommendation to take a track school, and take some track days, as the best advice to prepare to handle your bike in an emergency... but in the mean time, you can at least run through your mind some scary scenarios using your imagination and day dreaming... and hopefully program your mind not to panic, so should you see such a scenario, you have the mental preparedness and convidence, to try to avoid it, vs panic and wipe out. P.S. I have to admire your curiosity and seeking answers. I am the same way. I just soak this dc-cycles list up. good stuff! - Daniel From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 14:11:24 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:11:16 -0400 > > From: Mike Bartman > Date: 2004/07/27 Tue PM 01:41:06 EDT > To: , > Subject: Re: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 > > At 12:47 PM 7/27/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: > >> From: Mike Bartman > > >> engine longevity. He said there was one guy who had changed his every > >> 1000-1500 miles since the bike was new, and when they opened the motor up > >> at about 75,000 miles, it looked new and measured out to nearly new > >> specs...i.e. almost no wear. Other engines, with oil changes at > >> manufacturer suggested intervals of 2500-3000 miles, are much more worn > >> after the same number of miles...though generally still running well > enough. > > > >..I assume this was based on *dino* oil correct? > > Yes, I'm pretty sure he'd have mentioned it if it was synthetic...and for > most of the time involved H-D didn't approve use of synthetics anyway. ...I always found that kind of hilarious, considering that they were secretly developing a synth oil under their own moniker. They even had their own techs fooled into thinking that synth oil was a bad thing. What's even more surprising is that these "technically qualified" mechanics bought it hook line and sinker. I even had a "seasoned" tech tell me that he KNEW HD would NEVER develop a water cooled engine. ;-) > > >The lubrication characteristics of synthetic oil at 1500 and 3000 miles is > >exactly the same. Unless you're running through the desert, it's foolish to > >swap out synth oil every 1,500 miles. > > That makes sense...so long as the bike is riden fairly frequently. ..and I think that's the crucial part. A lot of stop and go and infrequent riding requires a generous oil change interval. Because work has had me pretty much glued to my office during the week and our daughter has taken up almost all our waking hours during the weekend (teenage girls are VERY high maintenance..don't go there), I've put probably less than 3k miles on my bike this summer. Soo..I changed it last winter before putting it up and changed it again after I rode 1k miles this summer and will change it again in the fall and definately once again before I put it up for the winter. Excessive? Maybe, but my short jaunts, I feel, justify the frequent change intervals. Other years, I've only changed it at the end of the summer. -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 14:21:13 2004 From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:20:46 -0400 Because work has had me pretty much glued to my office during the week and our daughter has taken up almost all our waking hours during the weekend (teenage girls are VERY high maintenance..don't go there), I've put probably less than 3k miles on my bike this summer. -aki Drat, I was hoping things would get better when my 2 year old got older, guess not! I've had to crawl under a crib to locate my bike keys or gloves because she thinks they "belong" to her :) On the other hand, she will interrupt my captivating reading of "Winnie the Pooh" to blurt out "Harbey Davison outside!" I'm working on teaching her "Hayabusa" next. Cedric Bernescut 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 14:36:22 2004 From: To: Subject: RE: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:36:14 -0400 > > From: bernescut@XXXXXX > Date: 2004/07/27 Tue PM 02:20:46 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 > > > Drat, I was hoping things would get better when my 2 year old got older, > guess not! I've had to crawl under a crib to locate my bike keys or gloves > because she thinks they "belong" to her :) On the other hand, she will > interrupt my captivating reading of "Winnie the Pooh" to blurt out "Harbey > Davison outside!" I'm working on teaching her "Hayabusa" next. ooohhhh nooooo...you have NO IDEA what awaits you when they hit 12,13,14,15,16.... enjoy it now, before you become the Daddy Taxi Cab Service Unlimited. 8-P -aki From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Tue Jul 27 15:13:49 2004 Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:12:47 -0400 To: , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Re: Favor (HELP WITH AN OIL CHANGE) and some 411 At 02:11 PM 7/27/04 -0400, adamme1@XXXXXX wrote: >> From: Mike Bartman >> most of the time involved H-D didn't approve use of synthetics anyway. > >...I always found that kind of hilarious, considering that >they were secretly developing a synth oil under their own >moniker. They even had their own techs fooled into thinking that synth oil was a bad thing. I wasn't really paying attention at the time, but I'd guess that a bit of "telephone game" was involved in that. H-D has no testing data on how synthetics work, sees some of the early problems in car engines, and says, "Synthetics are not approved for use in H-D engines". Meanwhile they are testing and coming up with one they know will work well in their engines. Their statement runs through the grapevine, and turns into all sorts of statements, such as "Synthetic oil won't work in H-D engines", "Synthetic oil will damage H-D engines", etc. by the mechanics of human psychology and repeated transfers. Eventually they finish their testing/selection program, and announce that they have confidence that this particular synthetic will work just fine...even better...in their engines, and people who listened to the mutated rumors, some perhaps even from H-D employees, think there was a turnabout on the issue. >What's even more >surprising is that these "technically qualified" mechanics bought it hook line and sinker. I even had a "seasoned" tech tell me that he KNEW HD would NEVER develop a water cooled engine. ;-) Well, technically, they didn't... ;-) [assuming you mean the V-Rod engine developed by Porsche with help from H-D] >maintenance..don't go there), I've put probably less than 3k miles on my bike this summer. My riding has dropped a bit too. Other activities to do (like yard work...), and all the rain recently (I've ridden in rain...I prefer dry) have cut into it some. Haven't ridden in a week now. I'm hoping that will change real soon. For instance, I'm noticing shadows outside again...probably a good day to knock off work early! :-) -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 10:21:57 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:21:26 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: bernescut@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Maintenance costs (Sorry for the late reply ... just got back yesterday from the British MotoGP at Donnington ::BIG GRIN:: - more on that later). Cedric - call CAD, unless you want to come visit us :) Dave's shop does good work, and they are going to be cheaper than the local dealerships. If you talk to Dave (Yakov, the owner), tell him Roach over at SpeedWerks sent ya. - Roach Brian Roberson wrote: > Cedric, > > This is a guess - but I would be willing to bet Cycle Accessory Discounters > could this work done for half?? If not half - close to half. You might want > to give CAD a call and drop your bike by there. I always prefer to do my > own maintenance - now I can see how much money I'm saving... CAD has done > work on two my my cycles - they have done very good work. -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 10:28:29 2004 Subject: Motorcycling North of the Border Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:28:16 -0400 From: "Julian Halton" To: My brother was here in April for a visit with his girlfriend. I took them both for a spin on my R6 and thought nothing of it. Yesterday I got a voice mail from my bro saying he had just bought the '04 silver and black R6 that makes 123 horses. I was happy, a bit jealous and concerned at the same time. He will be riding it in Montreal Quebec which has is famed for mashed up roads and onramp and exit structures that makes one think herringbone. Picture an interlocking tapestry of cars in the far right side doing multi-lane swoops to get an exit on the left and speeders on the left side gunning for exit rights. So I asked him about the licensing program. You have to take a mandatory course that involves: - 30 hours of on-bike time - 10 hours of which is on the track - 7 months probationary status after which you are examined in traffic, live and on the highways by a ministry of transportation factotum that has the power to decide whether you can continue to ride or not '04 R6 out the door $10,700 (Canadian Dollars) First two insurance quotes for a 29 year old male with no tickets or accidents: $3500 Canadian. Best offer is $1900 Canadian a year. Provincial law states the bike must be licensed 365\7 despite it being absolutely miserable and frigid for a huge chunk of that season we call Winter. My brother asked that I say nothing about his purchase to my family. Here is the ringer and where I am curious about what listers have to say. My brother has for the most part been the pleasant and quiet easy-going son that is a delight to raise. I was a little shit that turned into a bigger shit with a devil may care attitude. I have been in so many "situations" that my folks have given up on worrying about me too much. I don't know what my mothers reaction will be to find out the little one has aped me yet again but I gather it won't be pleasant. I won't tell my parents about his new hobby but I think it is less than adult_like of him not to especially as they are very close. Besides telling my bro to be careful and use his head, do I have any other obligation here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 11:24:24 2004 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycling North of the Border Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:12:20 -0400 Point out some of the better websites (not sure they all ship to Canada) like motorcyclegearreview.com, motorcycleleatherexchange.com, newenough.com, ect. Maybe R6message net (I think it is, I don't have one). >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Motorcycling North of the Border >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:28:16 -0400 >Besides telling my bro to be careful and use his head, do I have any >other obligation here. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 12:27:03 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycling North of the Border Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:15:12 -0400 Or try a place in Canada...Dynamo Humm has been really good to us on the VFR list, but Brian handles a lot of other stuff now, too. http://www.dynamohumm.com/ Rob '98 VFR800 From: "rich hall" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycling North of the Border Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:12:20 -0400 Point out some of the better websites (not sure they all ship to Canada) like motorcyclegearreview.com, motorcycleleatherexchange.com, newenough.com, ect. Maybe R6message net (I think it is, I don't have one). >From: "Julian Halton" >To: >Subject: Motorcycling North of the Border >Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:28:16 -0400 >Besides telling my bro to be careful and use his head, do I have any >other obligation here. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar )B– get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 12:34:52 2004 Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:34:45 -0400 From: "Jonathan W. Kalmes" To: Thanks to all who responded... I just got off the phone with Nick (d@mn, I wish I had his hours). :) He's gonna order my pipe and jet kit and a couple of other miscellaneous parts to clean up the exhaust and intake system on the FZ1. He was able to not only match the price of the parts, but even to beat the Internet prices on a couple of them! :) Nick seems to *really* know about the issues and intracacies of the FZ1. He was able to convince me of changing a few things from what I'd originally planned to do and was able to indicate pretty much what to expect out of the mods I was going to do. The fact that he's right down the road from my office is just icing on the cake. Hrm... I go on vacation for a week in Aruba, then come home to a snappy new set of mods on my critter... How much better does it get? ;) --smthng -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:56 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Need a Yamaha mechanic On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Jonathan W. Kalmes wrote: > I have a couple of online sourcecs already (one with a nice discount > for the FZ1 Owners group), but still would prefer to find one cheaper > if possible. If I can get the Yosh cheap enough, I can do the jet at > the same time instead of having to wait a bit for the jet. > > I'll give Nick a call tomorrow and see how much he wants for the job... > He's out today. Thanks. > Take your best price you find online and head over to Champion. Chris in parts has always matched prices for me. Dan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 14:37:59 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:37:41 EDT Subject: Re: Motorcycling North of the Border To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX This sounds just like me. I was always the good one that my mother never had to worry about growing up. When I moved down here, I took the MSF class and told my sisters (one of which I lived with her and my bro-in-law) not to tell. When I started looking at bikes, my other sister called my mother to tell her what I was doing before I had the chance. She called me at work and was yelling at me. I told her that I was at work and I didn't need this right now. I would talk to her later. I didn't call her for a week. I then called the sister that ratted me out and told her to enjoy her upcoming wedding as I wouldn't be attending. Went three weeks without talking to her and eventually went to the wedding. My mom has gotten over it now and just tells me to be careful. My grandmother was shocked when I told her but, she's glad I have it now so that if anything happens in DC I can make a quick getaway. :-) Since then I have gotten my ear pierced, had my tongue pierced (plus a couple other locations that my family doesn't know about ;-)), had blonde hair for almost six months and now have 7 tattoos. Nothing surprises my mom anymore. hehe As for your brother, I'm sure he'll eventually tell your folks about it. If he's like me, he just wants time to get his license and more comfortable on the bike. I actually told my folks and grandparents by riding it home to PA one weekend. If your mom is anything like mine, she'll voice her concern once and then be done with it. As for your obligation, same thing. Voice your concern, tell him to be safe and use his head. Offer any other riding advice that you choose to. And, tell him congrats on the new bike. :-) Scooter (2000 r/w/b R6) In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:28:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, julian@XXXXXX writes: My brother asked that I say nothing about his purchase to my family. Here is the ringer and where I am curious about what listers have to say. My brother has for the most part been the pleasant and quiet easy-going son that is a delight to raise. I was a little shit that turned into a bigger shit with a devil may care attitude. I have been in so many "situations" that my folks have given up on worrying about me too much. I don't know what my mothers reaction will be to find out the little one has aped me yet again but I gather it won't be pleasant. I won't tell my parents about his new hobby but I think it is less than adult_like of him not to especially as they are very close. Besides telling my bro to be careful and use his head, do I have any other obligation here. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 16:02:27 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:59:33 -0400 To: "Julian Halton" , From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Motorcycling North of the Border At 10:28 AM 7/28/04 -0400, Julian Halton wrote: >My brother asked that I say nothing about his purchase to my family. >Besides telling my bro to be careful and use his head, do I have any >other obligation here. That's up to you to decide. Denpends on what your family structure, traditions, etc. are like, and how you choose to fit into them...or not. Just for a data point, my mother was strongly against my riding motorcycles. While I lived at home there was no chance one would be allowed. My dad, at my request, took me to a Honda dealership once, where we looked over the bikes for sale, and he allowed as how they were very nice and would be fun to ride...but NO, I was not getting one (I was 17 at the time I think). Any time I brought up bikes, my mother would wince, and comment about how dangerous they were, and ask me not to get one. After college, getting a job, and my first house, I got the '83 Yamaha XT-550. A couple of years later I got the '85 Honda VF700S. I never mentioned it to my mom, though I did tell my dad. Both were parked in the car port one day (Honda under a silver Honda cover) when my mom came to visit. She walked right by them, and never said a word. I didn't raise the issue either. Either she refused to see them, or didn't want to admit that they might be mine, or whatever, but we never ever talked about it. Sometimes people don't *want* to know...and in such cases it's probably best to leave it that way. Doesn't mean you have to let it run your life for you, but having some consideration for their feelings doesn't hurt any if it only comes down to information that they'd prefer not to have. You know your family dynamics better than anyone here will...what do *you* think you should do? Do that. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 22:15:28 2004 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/28/04 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:15:07 -0400 Where is CAD? I am always looking for new shops, stupid wallet gets too heavy and its contents need to be spilled out on counters often! By the way, anybody who might have been interested in the ex500... my girl wants to keep it. Sorry to disappoint anybody who was toying with the idea of buying it. Thanks shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Wed Jul 28 22:25:43 2004 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:27:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: Shane CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/28/04 Shane wrote: > > Where is CAD? I am always looking for new shops, stupid wallet gets too > heavy and its contents need to be spilled out on counters often! By the > way, anybody who might have been interested in the ex500... my girl > wants to keep it. Sorry to disappoint anybody who was toying with the > idea of buying it. I wasn't really toying with buying it, but I was curious as to the gas mileage your ex500 was getting. Motorcycle Consumer News tested one recently, and got outstanding gas mileage out of it. 69/58/64 mpg, I believe, highest/lowest/average. I was really surprised at the numbers. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX '98 Concours - BugSlayer Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '99 Concours - Grape Nehi CM #001 NRA IBA COG '82 GS850G The Mason Dixon 20-20 Endurance Rally: The Hole Dam Rally Come join us in 2005: http://www.md2020.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 09:51:25 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: shanesr74@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/28/04 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 09:40:00 -0400 429-A East Diamond Avenue Gaithersburg, MD 20877 (301) 977-7188 http://www.cadcycles.com/ Basically, a couple blocks down from the main intersection in Old Towne Gaithersburg. Past the Buffalo Billiards. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Shane" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/28/04 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:15:07 -0400 Where is CAD? I am always looking for new shops, stupid wallet gets too heavy and its contents need to be spilled out on counters often! By the way, anybody who might have been interested in the ex500... my girl wants to keep it. Sorry to disappoint anybody who was toying with the idea of buying it. Thanks shane From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 10:30:16 2004 Reply-To: "Louis Caplan" From: "Louis Caplan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Motorcycling North of the Border Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 10:31:43 -0400 > This sounds just like me. I was always the good one that my mother never > had to worry about growing up. When I moved down here, I took the MSF class > and told my sisters (one of which I lived with her and my bro-in-law) not to > tell. > julian@XXXXXX writes: > > My brother asked that I say nothing about his purchase to my family. Have you guys been reading "For Better or For Worse" lately? The daughter, Liz, is borrowing a motorcycle from Gordo, and of course the mother is totally flipping out. But seems to be more accepting of it now. I called my mother and asked if that was a good representation of her feelings, and she said yes. (Although she didn't give me too much grief, just told me to wear a helmet, even when visiting them in helmet free Connecticut (which I had every intention of doing anyway). Loius - - - - - - - - - "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Please consider helping me support the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/rideforkids.htm From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 12:21:05 2004 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: On helmets, sizing and head shape Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:01:57 -0400 Here's an interesting situation: For many years, I have been using Shoei full face helmets. I have been pretty happy with them. A couple of months ago, I picked up an HJC flip front helmet that fit well in the store. I used it for a few short rides with no problems. I then went on a longer ride and started to get a pain in the center of my forehead after about 1.5 hours. On my return trip the next day the same thing occurred, but I think it was even more intense. When I got home, and took off the helmet, I saw a red spot about 2-3 inches in diameter in the middle/upper part of my forehead. I stopped using the HJC (which I would be willing to sell for a fair price [Black, Large, tinted and clear faceshield]) and went back to my Shoei. Last week, my wife and I rode out to Fallingwater, in the Laurel Highlands, taking the scenic route. While I didn't notice any particular pain (maybe a slight discomfort as the day wore on) I did see the same red spot when I took the Shoei off. It probably wasn't as bright red, but it was about the same size. So, I am wondering if I am not a Shoei head-type after all. Maybe I am an Arai head-type. The questions I have are: 1) Is it possible (or likely) that my head shape is changing? I'm in my mid-40's after all 2) Not wanting to spend the Arai dollars if I can help it, what other helmets follow the Arai head-type model? I had considered a Nolan flip front, but don't want to go there without knowing the shape. Perry _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 12:27:48 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:27:10 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On helmets, sizing and head shape Perry Coleman wrote: > So, I am wondering if I am not a Shoei head-type after all. Maybe I am > an Arai head-type. The questions I have are: > > 1) Is it possible (or likely) that my head shape is changing? I'm in > my mid-40's after all > > 2) Not wanting to spend the Arai dollars if I can help it, what other > helmets follow the Arai head-type model? I had considered a Nolan flip > front, but don't want to go there without knowing the shape. > > Perry > > _ Perry, definitely sounds like you have an Arai head if you're getting that on your forehead. A great helmet that works for both Arai and Shoei heads (because the inside can be sized specificially to you) is the OGK. Very popular overseas and making a big statement over here in the U.S. I just bought one and so did Roach...now our entire race team has one. This is THE best helmet I've ever worn. They are definitely not a cheap helmet, but are in NO way as expensive as the Arai is. Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 12:35:07 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:34:54 EDT Subject: Re: On helmets, sizing and head shape To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I started out with Shoei's and they fit me pretty well. I bought an Arai a couple years ago and determined that I am an Arai head shape more than a Shoei head shape. However, I just recently purchased an Icon helmet from e-bay and it fits me exactly, if not better than, my Arai. Great helmet, great fit and less $$$$$. Bought it from here through an e-bay auction. _http://www.bikerszone.com/product.asp?3=1333_ (http://www.bikerszone.com/product .asp?3=1333) Scooter In a message dated 7/29/2004 12:21:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, perrycoleman@XXXXXX writes: 2) Not wanting to spend the Arai dollars if I can help it, what other helmets follow the Arai head-type model? I had considered a Nolan flip front, but don't want to go there without knowing the shape. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 12:37:13 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:36:30 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: AMA may require hats off system to be used by its riders in 2005 I hadn't come across this yet, so I apologize if it's been discussed, but seems like something cool to have. http://www.hatsoff.info/ You can check out the press release on RRW at www.roadracingworld.com. LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 13:18:44 2004 From: Lister Lynch To: "'Perry Coleman '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: On helmets, sizing and head shape Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:22:21 -0400 As far as Nolan and Shoei helmets go, I can tell you that they don't both fit the same. My Nolan really doesn't fit my head all that well; it squeezes my jaw when I put the chinbar down, and the chinbar comes in contact with the bottom of my chin (which doesn't seem like it should be that way). After wearing the Nolan for a week, when I put the Shoei back on, it feels like the most comfortable thing in the world. Fits like an old leather glove that's been wet while you've worn it and now when you take it off it still retains the shape of your hand. Similar to you, I thought it fit well in the store. It's not until you get out in the world with it for a while that you get a feel for how it really fits (padding squish and all). In fact, I'm very seriously considering getting rid of the Nolan for some other flip-face that may fit better. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 7/29/2004 12:01 PM Subject: On helmets, sizing and head shape Here's an interesting situation: For many years, I have been using Shoei full face helmets. I have been pretty happy with them. A couple of months ago, I picked up an HJC flip front helmet that fit well in the store. I used it for a few short rides with no problems. I then went on a longer ride and started to get a pain in the center of my forehead after about 1.5 hours. On my return trip the next day the same thing occurred, but I think it was even more intense. When I got home, and took off the helmet, I saw a red spot about 2-3 inches in diameter in the middle/upper part of my forehead. I stopped using the HJC (which I would be willing to sell for a fair price [Black, Large, tinted and clear faceshield]) and went back to my Shoei. Last week, my wife and I rode out to Fallingwater, in the Laurel Highlands, taking the scenic route. While I didn't notice any particular pain (maybe a slight discomfort as the day wore on) I did see the same red spot when I took the Shoei off. It probably wasn't as bright red, but it was about the same size. So, I am wondering if I am not a Shoei head-type after all. Maybe I am an Arai head-type. The questions I have are: 1) Is it possible (or likely) that my head shape is changing? I'm in my mid-40's after all 2) Not wanting to spend the Arai dollars if I can help it, what other helmets follow the Arai head-type model? I had considered a Nolan flip front, but don't want to go there without knowing the shape. Perry From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 13:31:44 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: perrycoleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: On helmets, sizing and head shape Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:31:36 -0400 Perry, I'm going through something similar with my current helmet, RF-900. After about an hour or so, I get the exact same symptoms. I had some issues with my old RF-200 years ago, but my RF-800 in between, never gave me any problems. I had thought about getting an X-11 next, but would rather find a more compatible shape first. Doesn't Arai have two series now with different shapes? Any interest in a year old RF-900 Blade TC-1. Red/Silver/Black Size Large. ? Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: On helmets, sizing and head shape Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:01:57 -0400 Here's an interesting situation: For many years, I have been using Shoei full face helmets. I have been pretty happy with them. A couple of months ago, I picked up an HJC flip front helmet that fit well in the store. I used it for a few short rides with no problems. I then went on a longer ride and started to get a pain in the center of my forehead after about 1.5 hours. On my return trip the next day the same thing occurred, but I think it was even more intense. When I got home, and took off the helmet, I saw a red spot about 2-3 inches in diameter in the middle/upper part of my forehead. I stopped using the HJC (which I would be willing to sell for a fair price [Black, Large, tinted and clear faceshield]) and went back to my Shoei. Last week, my wife and I rode out to Fallingwater, in the Laurel Highlands, taking the scenic route. While I didn't notice any particular pain (maybe a slight discomfort as the day wore on) I did see the same red spot when I took the Shoei off. It probably wasn't as bright red, but it was about the same size. So, I am wondering if I am not a Shoei head-type after all. Maybe I am an Arai head-type. The questions I have are: 1) Is it possible (or likely) that my head shape is changing? I'm in my mid-40's after all 2) Not wanting to spend the Arai dollars if I can help it, what other helmets follow the Arai head-type model? I had considered a Nolan flip front, but don't want to go there without knowing the shape. Perry _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee)B® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 13:58:58 2004 From: To: "Perry Coleman" , Subject: Re: On helmets, sizing and head shape Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:58:45 -0400 > 2) Not wanting to spend the Arai dollars if I can help it, what other > helmets follow the Arai head-type model? I had considered a Nolan flip > front, but don't want to go there without knowing the shape. Perry - I'm comfortable in Shoeis - tried a Nolan flip and it felt like there was a rock in the middle of my forehead. I don't think that Nolan is your answer. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 16:35:12 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:34:05 -0400 From: Skip CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: AMA may require hats off system to be used by its riders in 2005 that is damn clever. Laura Roach wrote: > > I hadn't come across this yet, so I apologize if it's been discussed, > but seems like something cool to have. > > http://www.hatsoff.info/ > > You can check out the press release on RRW at www.roadracingworld.com. > > LAR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 16:37:20 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:36:46 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Thomas Jordan , mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: YZF426 motor in Aprilia RS50 chassis This is pretty sweet. http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1242445/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1#Post1252660 - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 18:19:58 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: dcpatti Subject: Speed Traps in Rock Creek Park To: DC Cycles Watch out for lots and lots of speed traps in Rock Creek Park. They've been out in increasing numbers all week, mostly on Beach Drive, Wise Road, Park Road and Piney Branch Parkway. These are the Suicide Cops who jump out in the middle of the road just around the blind curve. Since the speed limit is 20 or 25 in there, it's pretty easy to get busted, and they are pulling *everyone* over. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 19:45:06 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:44:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: shoei fit To: DC Cycles can anyone confirm that the shoei rf1000 is sized/shaped like the rf800? -- tg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 21:39:43 2004 X-Comment: AT&T Maillennium special handling code - c Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:34:44 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: "Parsons, Christopher S." , "R0bwats0n@XXXXXX" , "Steve (Tight Squeeze Racing)" , Angela Hiba , Brian Kcraget , Brian McCoy , Bruce Wilkins , Campbell John , chad larsen , David Celento , "deanbug@XXXXXX" , Gil Gates , Jennilynne Guthridge , Jessica Morgan , Jim Roach , Jo Jo , John & Tammy Dempsey , Julian Halton , Lori Kobayashi , mhbach@XXXXXX, Philip Bangle , Puppycub@XXXXXX, Rebecca Henn , Ross Wellwood , Sean Jordan , Tattoos By Barbaro , Wendy Gaal , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: MotoGP photos Hey all! Just got back from England and we're slowly recovering. Here are some photos from the MotoGP...it was so much more unbelievable than TV could ever even relate. Will be adding a trip report and England photos in the next couple of days. Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 22:23:10 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:23:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John Kozyn Subject: Shoei vs HJC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Hi DC Guys 'n Gals, I too have a Shoei and went to the HJC Sy-max flip-up helmet. Coming from an older Nolan flip-up, which didnt feel totally right (chin bar, lotsa noise etc), but was quite serviceable for 2 years, I found the HJC to fit my head just like my Shoei RF-700. I got it for pretty cheap too - $185 at newenough.com. I love the fact that the dark shield's optics are like Polarized sunglasses - w-a-y better than the Shoei dark smoke, but nothing is as easy to take on and off as the Shoei shield was. Apparently Nolan corrected most of the things I and others disliked about early iterations of the flip-up lid. John Kozyn (D-mode) 1999 900SS 1995 VFR750F __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 23:51:12 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:43:57 -0400 To: Laura Roach , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: AMA may require hats off system to be used by its riders in 2005 At 12:36 PM 7/29/04 -0400, Laura Roach wrote: >I hadn't come across this yet, so I apologize if it's been discussed, >but seems like something cool to have. > >http://www.hatsoff.info/ Never heard of it before. Cool idea. I'll ask the local rescue squad folks if they are aware of it next time I see them...a couple of them are in the same HOG group as I am. If I'd been trying to solve the problem I'd probably have come up with some sort of device to allow cutting the helmet in half without cutting the patient. I wonder how often the Hats Off device gets damaged in the crash and fails to work? Maybe there's still a need for an alternative? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 23:53:11 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 23:38:26 -0400 To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: On helmets, sizing and head shape At 12:01 PM 7/29/04 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: >1) Is it possible (or likely) that my head shape is changing? I'm in my >mid-40's after all Not real likely, but I suppose anything is possible. Maybe it's a tumor? (Ahnold voice: "It's NOT a tumor!" ;-) A more likely cause: when was the last time you had a haircut? Any change in style that might result in more hair out back? -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Thu Jul 29 23:53:16 2004 Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "pltrgyst@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: On helmets, sizing and head shape To: Perry Coleman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > 2) Not wanting to spend the Arai dollars if I can help it, what other > helmets follow the Arai head-type model? I had considered a Nolan flip > front, but don't want to go there without knowing the shape. I ride equally comfortably in my Nolan flip-face and my Arai Quantum F, so I would say their shapes are very similar. The Arrow / Jarow flip-face also fits me very well. The Symax fits me OK, but not as well as the Nolan. The Shoei flip doesn't fit at all. -- Larry __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 01:18:05 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:18:05 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Thomas Jordan , mike@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Yo, yo, yo, 'dis pocket bike be straight trippin'! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485901894&category=6719#ebayphotohosting Fo rizzle, G. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 07:10:39 2004 From: Stephen Miller Subject: Re: Private urban green space Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:10:44 -0400 To: DC Cycles I have no idea how many of the 17K courses are in "urban" areas, though. My guess is that most are suburban, though here in Baltimore there are six or seven within the confines of the city itself. On Jul 30, 2004, at 5:50 AM, Hentrich, Steffen wrote: > Dear Armchairs, > > today I had a discussion with a friend about urban planing and the > necessity of public provision of urban green space (parks etc.). Do > you know cases of private provision of urban green space and in that > case, how do they make money out of it. > > Cheers, > > > Steffen From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 07:56:35 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:56:14 -0400 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: perrycoleman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: On helmets, sizing and head shape > Doesn't Arai have two series now with different shapes? They've always had two, now they have three. The Quantum/RX7 series is "Round Oval", the Signet series is "Long Oval", and the Astral is in between. As for compatible shapes, I've found AGV helmets to be very comfortable at a good price point if you have an Arai head. They are close to the Astral in shell shape. The OGKs we're wearing ROCK, but they are on the higher end of the price scale ($389 for solid color, $449 for multi-color). - Roach -- http://www.speedwerks.com The one-stop shop for all your motorcycling needs! (302) 672 - 7223 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 07:59:48 2004 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Stolen KLR alert Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:59:55 -0400 Folks, My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house last night. It's dark blue in color (bluish forest green is the official Kawi color I think.) DC tag MT2154 VIN JKAKLEA14TA040143 Engine serial # KL650AE032128 It has a Givi top case, a ScottOiler and a large ScottOiler sticker on it, otherwise stock. Police report filed, but I don't have a lot of hope. :( Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 08:03:01 2004 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:02:46 EDT Subject: Re: Yo, yo, yo, 'dis pocket bike be straight trippin'! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX OMG, I almost fell out of my chair for that one. I'll take two. ROTFLMAO. Scooter In a message dated 7/30/2004 1:18:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eternity23@XXXXXX writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485901894& category=6719#ebayphotohosting Fo rizzle, G. - Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 08:19:55 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Ray Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert To: Paul Wilson , DC-CYCLES Paul - That really sucks. And here I was looking forward to riding it, once my arm is healed. Good luck with the recovery, but I know the chances in DC are slim. Brian Ray GSF1200S (wrecked on I-81) --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Folks, > > My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house > last night. It's dark > blue in color (bluish forest green is the official > Kawi color I think.) DC > tag MT2154 > > VIN JKAKLEA14TA040143 > Engine serial # KL650AE032128 > > It has a Givi top case, a ScottOiler and a large > ScottOiler sticker on it, > otherwise stock. > > Police report filed, but I don't have a lot of hope. > :( > > Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 08:20:40 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:18:52 -0400 From: "De Boeser, Tom" To: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert Paul Wilson wrote: >Folks, > >My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house last night. > > This sucks, really, really sucks. I hope it works out for you, one way or another. Tom de '98 VTR From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 08:29:07 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX As many people that have had their bikes stolen here on DCC, I just can't imagine myself ever living someplace that doesn't have a garage for my bikes. Hopefully the bike was insured with full coverage? Glenn > Paul Wilson wrote: > > >Folks, > > > >My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my > house last night. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 08:33:40 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Stolen KLR alert Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 08:33:32 -0400 Damn, Paulie....I'm sorry to hear this. Definitely will keep my eyes open. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Stolen KLR alert Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:59:55 -0400 Folks, My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house last night. It's dark blue in color (bluish forest green is the official Kawi color I think.) DC tag MT2154 VIN JKAKLEA14TA040143 Engine serial # KL650AE032128 It has a Givi top case, a ScottOiler and a large ScottOiler sticker on it, otherwise stock. Police report filed, but I don't have a lot of hope. :( Paul in DC -- www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [MIA] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 08:44:40 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert X-Virus-Checked: Checked On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Paul Wilson wrote: > My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house last night. Blah. Sorry to hear about this, Paul. Still no word on my DL650 -- is there an unusually strong rash of bike thefts going on these days? The police are worthless, of course. :/ Fish. your tax dollars at work From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 09:43:11 2004 From: To: Subject: Re: Re: Stolen KLR alert Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 9:43:03 -0400 Isn't this like the second KLR that's been stolen in the past month from somone on this list? (The other being uninsured). -aki > > From: Glenn Dysart > Date: 2004/07/30 Fri AM 08:29:04 EDT > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert > > As many people that have had their bikes stolen here > on DCC, I just can't imagine myself ever living > someplace that doesn't have a garage for my bikes. > > Hopefully the bike was insured with full coverage? > > Glenn > > > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > > >Folks, > > > > > >My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my > > house last night. > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 10:12:00 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:11:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: Glenn Dysart , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert A garage is no guarantee either. There's a fellow on the VFR list who had his VFR stolen from his garage on a Saturday afternoon, in the leafy 'burbs of Cincinnati. It can happen just about anywhere. I'll get another one. There are a lot of KLRs in the world. I was on the phone twice with the MPD within an hour of my 911 call. They don't send out an officer for this sort of thing. The first call to take my information, and second to give me the report # and whatnot. They've been reasonably responsive, but unless they get lucky, that's probably the end of the matter. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart As many people that have had their bikes stolen here on DCC, I just can't imagine myself ever living someplace that doesn't have a garage for my bikes. Hopefully the bike was insured with full coverage? Glenn Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 10:19:54 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX I'm willing to bet the theft occurrence of bike getting stolen parked on the street is 10000% greater then them being stolen from inside a garage. Sure if a thief wants something they are going to get it but I've always said "people don't steal what they can't see". Meaning that nobody is just going to break into a garage "hoping" to find a motorcycle. Which is one of the reasons my garage door is without windows. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > A garage is no guarantee either. There's a fellow > on the VFR list who had his VFR stolen from his > garage on a Saturday afternoon, in the leafy 'burbs > of Cincinnati. It can happen just about anywhere. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 10:22:48 2004 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Old Motorcycle Magazines...Any Interest? Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:22:10 -0400 The Cycle Worlds and Consumer Reports are gone, but I still have the AMA Magazines and the HRCA's if anyone is interested. Let me know. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Old Magazines...Any Interest? Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 13:06:16 -0400 In the cleaning mood today, so I thought I'd put this out to see if there was any interest in old magazines, before I recycle them for good. Make me any offer if interested. Cycle World: 1993-1994 Partial Year 1995-1996 Complete Years 1997-1998 Partial 1999-2003 Complete American Motorcyclist (AMA Magazine): 1993 Two issues 1994-2003 Complete Years Honda Red Rider (HRCA Magazine): Last 30 issues Consumer Reports: 1996 Partial 1997-2003 Complete (also have the Annual Buying Guides for 1999-2003) Just thought I'd ask. Rob '98 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 10:29:38 2004 From: "Sean Steele" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:29:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert Paul, Did you have a wheel lock on it? What's your guess on how they boosted it? -Sean Paul Wilson wrote: > A garage is no guarantee either. There's a fellow on the VFR list who had his VFR stolen from his garage on a Saturday afternoon, in the leafy 'burbs of Cincinnati. It can happen just about anywhere. > > I'll get another one. There are a lot of KLRs in the world. > > I was on the phone twice with the MPD within an hour of my 911 call. They don't send out an officer for this sort of thing. The first call to take my information, and second to give me the report # and whatnot. They've been reasonably responsive, but unless they get lucky, that's probably the end of the matter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Dysart > > > As many people that have had their bikes stolen here > on DCC, I just can't imagine myself ever living > someplace that doesn't have a garage for my bikes. > > Hopefully the bike was insured with full coverage? > > Glenn > > Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org > 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] > > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 10:33:08 2004 X-Comment: AT&T Maillennium special handling code - c Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:27:15 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: Laura Roach Subject: Link to MotoGP photos Duh, here's the link to the photos http://laura.dcc-racing.org From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 11:36:27 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:36:04 -0400 From: Laura Roach To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: DC Cycles in Delaware??? Ok, maybe for a little while. Roach and I are having a pool party/BBQ on August 7th at our new house. If anyone feels brave enough to trek over to our neck of the woods, we'd love to see you. We're about two hours from the DC area. It starts around noon and ends whenever. Bring your bathing suit, suntan lotion, and a guest, if you want. If you're interested, pop me an email and I'll give you directions and information. :) Laura From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 11:37:30 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:37:47 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" , "DC-CYCLES" From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert At 07:59 AM 7/30/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: > >My 1996 KLR650 was boosted from in front of my house last night. Well that sucks...hope it was well insured at least. What sort of locking devices were on it? Just wondering if there's any particular damage that's likely to have happened in removing them. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 11:48:58 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:48:29 -0400 To: Paul Wilson , Glenn Dysart , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Mike Bartman Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert At 10:11 AM 7/30/04 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >A garage is no guarantee either. There's a fellow on the VFR list who had his VFR stolen from his garage on a Saturday afternoon, in the leafy 'burbs of Cincinnati. It can happen just about anywhere. Was the garage open? Was he home? Was the bike secured inside the garage? Mine's in a garage, forks locked, alarm system on. I'm home 90%+ of the time (working, sleeping, or whatever), and half the time I'm not home, the bike's with me. If I was more paranoid about it getting boosted, I'd get one of those floor anchors and a good solid chain to slow them down a bit more, and I'd hook up the security camera to a recorder with a motion sensor (wireless cams are easy to install and let me see my driveway from any TV...no windows facing that way). If they can't break in and steal it quietly enough not to let me know they are there, they will find that I also believe in supporting the 2nd Amendment. >I was on the phone twice with the MPD within an hour of my 911 call. They don't send out an officer for this sort of thing. The first call to take my information, and second to give me the report # and whatnot. They've been reasonably responsive, but unless they get lucky, that's probably the end of the matter. Yep. The police aren't there to protect you as an individual. They are a "general deterrent" to crime, which benefits you indirectly, maybe. That's a court ruling, as well as being common sense if you think about it. Yet another reason why gun bans are insane...how you fight crime by disarming the victims is beyond me...and beyond topic for this forum, so I'll leave it there. Anyone who wants to talk about it can contact me off list. Wouldn't have mattered in this particular crime anyway. -- Mike B. '04 FLSTCI (H-D Softail Heritage Classic with EFI for the non-Harley folks) Learning from your mistakes is good. Learning from someone else's mistakes is better. From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 11:54:35 2004 Reply-To: "Jon Strang" From: "Jon Strang" To: "Laura Roach" Cc: Subject: Re: Link to MotoGP photos Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:57:25 -0400 Need more umbrella girl pictures. :-) --leering jon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Roach" To: "Laura Roach" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:27 AM Subject: Link to MotoGP photos > Duh, here's the link to the photos > > http://laura.dcc-racing.org > From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 16:11:31 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:11:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Pete Wysocki (former Redskin) memorial bicycle ride - PJW50 I know this is a motorcycle list, but I also know a lot of you either ride (or used to ride) bicycles. I know some of you even raced bicycles. A lot of you knew Pete Wysocki, who I used to race bicycles with and later rode motorcycles with, either from his playing days as a Redskin or from one of the many Bike Nights that Mark Kitchell and I put on. Pete lost his battle with cancer a year ago June. Next month, we're (I'm on the board of the PJW50 Foundation) doing a bicycle ride in Pete's memory. I'd like to encourage y'all to come out and do the ride. August 21st. Great Meadow in The Plains, VA. All the ride info is at http://spokesetc.com/site/intro.cfm (scroll down) and http://www.thecaboose.org/pjw50.htm. If you don't feel like riding a bicycle, come out on your motorcycle. It'll cost you $25 (instead of $50) and you won't get all the goodies we're giving to bicycle riders, but we'll gladly give you a route map to ride your motorcycle 50 miles in scenic Fauquier County and you'd be able to partake in all the post-ride festivities (food, music, etc.) Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 16:13:42 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:13:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: Paul Wilson , DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Stolen KLR alert Paul, I'll add my condolences. I know the odds aren't good, but hope you recover the KLR. Chuck From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 16:18:30 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:18:23 -0400 To: "dc Cycles" From: Troutman Subject: Fwd: VA NMA Special Alert Of interest. If not, delete. >As you probably know, both red light cameras and photo radar plague >Washington D.C. District Councilmember Carol Schwartz has just introduced >a bill that would limit the use of speed cameras to areas with heavy >pedestrian traffic, effectively banning them from the highways, where they >have taken in the most money. This bill is not the complete solution to >the problem of speed cameras in D.C., but it is a step in the right direction. > >I realize that many of you work or live near Washington D.C. I hope that >those of you with family, friends, or coworkers, who live in the District, >will encourage them to contact other council members regarding this >positive measure. In fact, you can simply forward this e-mail on to those >you know who live in D.C. > >The bill will be debated in committee, when the council returns from >recess in September, but it is not too early to contact the other members >of the council and urge them to support Councilmember Schwartz's bill. >Chairperson Linda Copp, Councilmember Sandy Allen, and Councilmember Kevin >Chavous have joined as co-sponsors of the legislation, but that still >leaves eight other councilmembers that need to be contacted. Their >telephone numbers and e-mail addresses are available at >http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org One who knows the enemy and knows himself will not be in danger in a hundred battles. One who does not know the enemy but knows himself will sometimes win, sometimes lose. One who does not know the enemy and does not know himself will be in danger in every battle. - Sun Tzu From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 16:25:15 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell Subject: Re: Link to MotoGP photos To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Need more Umbrella girl photos, Other then that very nice. --- Laura Roach wrote: > Duh, here's the link to the photos > > http://laura.dcc-racing.org > > ===== Hugh Caldwell http://www.twowheelsgood.net __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Fri Jul 30 16:37:51 2004 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 16:37:45 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: Paul Wilson To: dc Cycles Subject: Re: Fwd: VA NMA Special Alert Best outcome will be to force Williams and Ramsey to *prove* that their placement of cameras is motivated by safety. A few errors noted in the statement. These lobbying groups would do themselves a favor by getting their facts straight and spelling names correctly. -----Original Message----- From: Troutman , citing the NMA, wrote: >The bill will be debated in committee, when the council returns from >recess in September, but it is not too early to contact the other members >of the council and urge them to support Councilmember Schwartz's bill. >Chairperson Linda Copp (sic), Councilmember Sandy Allen, and Councilmember Kevin >Chavous have joined as co-sponsors of the legislation, but that still >leaves eight other councilmembers that need to be contacted. Their >telephone numbers and e-mail addresses are available at >http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/. Uh, the DC Council has 13 members, so you'll need to contact the other nine, not eight. Anyway there's enough vacuity on the Council to constitute a phantom "13th member" I'll grant. :) The council Chairman's name is Cropp, not Copp. Paul in DC - www.wilsonline.org 95 VFR [Sport-tour] - 96 KLR650 [Dirt-tour] From dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Sat Jul 31 23:10:39 2004 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:10:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: craigslist MCs For those looking for bikes to buy or sell, craigslist has proven to be a good site. I posted my brother-in-law's F4i Friday and it looks like he already has a buyer. http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mcy/ No reg required, just ad free posts. The site is a lot more than just want ads. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 AMA - http://www.amadirectlink.com/ NMA - http://www.motorists.org "I'd rather die while I'm living, then live while I'm dead." - Jimmy Buffett