From: Carl Schelin To: Bruce Brownlee , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rain and Gravel (was: Re: USAA Insurance getting off topic) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:26:28 -0400 On Friday 28 June 2002 19:29, Bruce Brownlee wrote: > hmmmm, manditory moto content.... lets see.... > well, new bike got rained on today for the first time, got that > unpleasantry out of the way. > "get used to it, there will be many more". and, picked up the first paint > chip. "thanks all > you dump trucks with the fantastic 'covers''" Yep, it rained on my new bike for the first time as well. No paint damage so far but I have picked up my fair share of gravel in the face. The carpenter bee at 70 on Saturday was an experience though ;-) The mark is just fading away. Many years ago ('81 or so) I was coming home from Alexandria and took the GW parkway. I walked into the 7/11 at the end and saw the face full of black flys except around the glasses :-) Nothing has beat the June bug though. I had to stop on the side of the road and clean it off with spit and grass. I always try to carry a rag now :-) Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Reply-To: "Matt Pasquali" From: "Matt Pasquali" To: Subject: howdy Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:14:07 -0400 Hey everyone. Im new to the list and the DC area. Im currently stationed at MCB Quantico and live down by Stafford. I moved up here from Austin, Texas, so I think Im slightly spoiled when it comes to riding roads. I dont know what the riding scene is like here, but I look forward to meeting more of the locals and finding the good roads. What are track days like up here? (I would LOVE to ride VIR). Btw- I ride an 02 GSX-R600 (the cooler blue/silver canadian one :) ) Just saying hey. Matt Pasquali _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Carl Schelin To: "Matt Pasquali" , "Matt Pasquali" , Subject: Re: howdy Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:53:49 -0400 On Monday 01 July 2002 07:14, Matt Pasquali wrote: > Hey everyone. > Im new to the list and the DC area. As a fairly new member of the list, let me extend my welcome. > Im currently stationed at MCB Quantico > and live down by Stafford. Cool. I'm down in Dale City (Woodbridge). > I moved up here from Austin, Texas, so I think > Im slightly spoiled when it comes to riding roads. Meaning? I've been in Texas one time when I was heading for Ft. McClellon Alabama and missed my exit. Since I was flying at the time, I hung around in Tx for a few hours before heading back. Lots of twisties? Lots of flat straight roads? > I dont know what the > riding scene is like here, but I look forward to meeting more of the locals > and finding the good roads. What are track days like up here? (I would > LOVE to ride VIR). I'm sure others will chime in on this. I'd like to head to the track once but no racing. Too old for that ;-) > Btw- I ride an 02 GSX-R600 (the cooler blue/silver > canadian one :) ) > Hey, they're all cooler (well, cooler than a cage (well, most cages :-)). > Just saying hey. > Back atcha. > Matt Pasquali Carl '02 FXST -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 08:19:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: howdy At 07:14 AM 7/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hey everyone. >Im new to the list and the DC area. Im currently stationed at MCB Quantico >and live down by Stafford. I moved up here from Austin, Texas, so I think Glad you made it over here, Matt :-) >Im slightly spoiled when it comes to riding roads. I dont know what the >riding scene is like here, but I look forward to meeting more of the locals >and finding the good roads. What are track days like up here? (I would LOVE >to ride VIR). Btw- I ride an 02 GSX-R600 (the cooler blue/silver canadian >one :) ) You should drop Jim Evans an e-mail and ask him about SP. He runs his CBR600 there on track days. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:35:15 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Marsupials anti Suzuki ??? Wayne Reminisced - Before I left for a private track event in Memphis a few weeks ago, I ended up with a nail in my rear BT56 on my Eye-Abuser, er, Hayabusa ;-) ... [Dave] Even Kangaroos call them that, mate ! courtesey of the Ninja- list: From: ZXRider@XXXXXX To: zx@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ZX List: Sportec m1's Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:56:18 -0700 Content: text/plain A kangaroo mashed a eyeabuser........ Bwhahahahahaahaha !!! ____________________________ Logan D. Clark SF Bay Area, CA & Dallas, TX '97 Kawasaki ZX-11-D5 "Rocket" 214-676-9570 "If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 8:42 PM Subject: Re: ZX List: Sportec m1's This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >well... i imagine he has full coverage. yep, and due to the fact he's 40 + his insurance is relativly cheap.... >wonder what his deductible is? now, about 20 % max, his last bike, an eyeabuser was totaled by a kangaroo. >BTW... think he's interested in letting it go for a few centavos >on the peso? we need more binned bikes for our business. :-) i dare say the insurance company will own it now, i'd say its a writeoff Phil [Dave] all this brought about after some guy wadded his gsxr1k... Anyway, back to DC-MOTO... Got out today for about 4 hrs of riding and encountered several friendly cages. [Dave] Which is like saying, while on a safari to Africa..."while in the bush, we encountered several friendly Lions".... ;-) Twice while cruising down backroads, cages gave way when I came up on them fast (but not crowding or tailgating them). They'd find a place to slide over to the shoulder and wave me on. I'd give 'em a wave back after I was safely in front :-) Anyway, it was a nice change to be able to make it around on my favorite back roads without having some doofus in a car wanting to do the speed limit ;-) [Dave] I'll bet... That's rare indeed around here... It happens, but it's rare... Hell, the guys in the retirement home near my house have a network of seniors that are waiting to pull out in front of me. They're well equipped - walkie talkies, cell phones, '74 Buick station wagons with CB's - they're ready... You've got to get up pretty early to beat them too... they even have a mini bus on the weekends that follows the wife to various stores... While the wife is busy finding a spot to park, they parade into the store to buy one item, paid for with an out of state check... ;-) Since I race my car and need a new SA helmet I was considering buying a black one so that it could share duty between my car and motorcycle. Does anyone else use an SA helmet for street riding? Is there any reason not to do this? The only difference I know of is that the SA helmets I'm looking at have Nomex liners. [Dave] I've never been turned from a track day using my M/C (shoei rf800) Helmet, so have always used that. Seems to me you could just get a pullover nomex liner... Dave Yates -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:53:57 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: She hung up! One small step for man ... As I sat in a left-turn lane this morning, a lady in an ovloV came up on my right asking to move over. And she was holding her cell phone to her ear. So I let her in, and took advantage of her window being down to say "Hang up and drive!" Then I yelled "Hang Up!" twice more as she moved into the left turn lane. A few hundred feet later she hung up. Maybe she was finished with her conversation. Maybe a small amount of common sense got through. Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:14:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: ZX-11 problems (was Re: Marsupials anti Suzuki ???) At 08:35 AM 7/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >[Dave] all this brought about after some guy wadded his gsxr1k... > >Anyway, back to DC-MOTO... > >Got out today for about 4 hrs of riding and encountered several >friendly cages. > >[Dave] Which is like saying, while on a safari to Africa..."while in >the bush, we encountered several friendly Lions".... ;-) HA! So true :-) Speaking of Ninjas, how do you sub to the Ninja list? A buddy of mine that recently bought a '90 ZX-11 is having troubles. I haven't talked to him in depth, but the gist of it was he left his house and the oil light came on and the bike died. Checked oil level, fine. Pushed it home and had to attend to other of life's matters. I figured I could point him in the direction of some online Ninja resources for help. Does the Ninja have an oil pressure sensor switch that kills the ignition with no oil pressure? I'm wondering if the bike has a faulty sensor that's causing the problem. It has really low miles on it, so unless there was some catastrophic failure (pickup fell off pump or ??), I can't see him truly having oil pressure problems. Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:05:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: howdy To: Matt Pasquali , dc-cycles@XXXXXX you're spoiled because you lived and rode in austin, or because you moved here? have you looked at a map of the area yet? --- Matt Pasquali wrote: > Hey everyone. > Im new to the list and the DC area. Im currently > stationed at MCB Quantico > and live down by Stafford. I moved up here from Austin, > Texas, so I think > Im slightly spoiled when it comes to riding roads. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:54:06 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: howdy Matt broke the list silnce introducing himself... On Monday 01 July 2002 07:14, Matt Pasquali wrote: > Hey everyone. > Im new to the list and the DC area. As a fairly new member of the list, let me extend my welcome. [Dave] As a fairly senior member of the list, ditto ! > Im currently stationed at MCB Quantico > and live down by Stafford. [Dave] You sure you don't want PW-cycles ? ;-) > I moved up here from Austin, Texas, so I think > Im slightly spoiled when it comes to riding roads. > I dont know what the > riding scene is like here, but I look forward to meeting more of the locals > and finding the good roads. What are track days like up here? (I would > LOVE to ride VIR). [Dave] A trip to & around Skyline Drive, 211, Harpers Ferry West By- God- VA, or pretty much most of WBGVA, will fill your twisty needs... so to speak. Wow... How many new guys since the beginning of '02 ??? Dave Yates -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: howdy On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >Matt broke the list silnce introducing himself... > >On Monday 01 July 2002 07:14, Matt Pasquali wrote: >> Hey everyone. >> Im new to the list and the DC area. > >As a fairly new member of the list, let me extend my welcome. > >[Dave] As a fairly senior member of the list, ditto ! Stationed at Quantico, eh? Cammie green or Fed blue? I'm another newbie, so I'll be quiet now. 8-) SF! -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: What were all the bikes doing last night at To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX at the gas station on the south side of PA Ave. in DC just east of the Anacostia river; drove by last night in my cage (ah, the shame ....) and saw at leat 50 bikes, and really wanted to stop, but didn't since i was in my cage ... is that a frequent gathering? --- Andrew Maddox wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Matt broke the list silnce introducing himself... > > > >On Monday 01 July 2002 07:14, Matt Pasquali wrote: > >> Hey everyone. > >> Im new to the list and the DC area. > > > >As a fairly new member of the list, let me extend > my welcome. > > > >[Dave] As a fairly senior member of the list, > ditto ! > > Stationed at Quantico, eh? Cammie green or Fed blue? > I'm another newbie, > so I'll be quiet now. 8-) > > SF! > > -- > SIGFAULT: quote not generated > Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Movie sniffers Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:25:08 -0400 Movies? Who's got time for movies? Hey did anyone catch the Isle of Mann on Speed. gb >"5 Times. That is the number of times more likely that a man who rides a >motorcycle will cry when watching a romantic movie as opposed to a man who >does not, as found by a survey of 1,100 men by Progressive Insurance." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Carl Schelin To: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Movie sniffers Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:28:41 -0400 On Monday 01 July 2002 09:25, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > Movies? Who's got time for movies? Hey did anyone catch the Isle of Mann > on Speed. > A couple of times. What's "TT"? I was able to figure out the rest including the engine sizes (250, 400 and 600) based on the talking but not TT. Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:45:05 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Movie sniffers "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > Movies? Who's got time for movies? Hey did anyone catch the Isle of Mann > on Speed. > > gb Erm, no. Have basic CoxSucker cable - no Speed channel. But alas, little time to watch the tube anyway. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:42:19 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , "Bruhl, George LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Movie sniffers Time Trials, as in Mille Miglia. -- Larry At 09:28 AM 7/1/02, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Monday 01 July 2002 09:25, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > > Movies? Who's got time for movies? Hey did anyone catch the Isle of Mann > > on Speed. > > > >A couple of times. What's "TT"? I was able to figure out the rest including >the engine sizes (250, 400 and 600) based on the talking but not TT. > >Carl >-- > Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Perry Coleman" To: cschelin@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Movie sniffers Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 09:42:31 -0400 Carl, That's the "Tourist Trophy." It is perhaps the most famous motorcycle road race going. Perry >From: Carl Schelin >To: "Bruhl, George LT" , >"'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" >Subject: Re: Movie sniffers >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:28:41 -0400 > >On Monday 01 July 2002 09:25, Bruhl, George LT wrote: > > Movies? Who's got time for movies? Hey did anyone catch the Isle of >Mann > > on Speed. > > > >A couple of times. What's "TT"? I was able to figure out the rest including >the engine sizes (250, 400 and 600) based on the talking but not TT. > >Carl >-- > Carl Schelin > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:46:27 -0400 From: Doc PC Reply-To: Doc PC To: Carl Schelin CC: "Bruhl, George LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re[2]: Movie sniffers >A couple of times. What's "TT"? I was able to figure out the rest including >the engine sizes (250, 400 and 600) based on the talking but not TT. If memory hasn't totally failed me by now, that should be "Tourist Trophy." Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Isaac Blanck Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What were all the bikes doing last night at Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 10:11:16 -0400 Yep. That and howard university mcdonalds on GA ave in NW dc. Also Barnes and nobles bookstore in rockville thursday nights. beware of bike jackers in DC especially at that same gas station or in the vicinity.. if you see a cop in the lot you should be OK though. On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:21:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>at the gas station on the south side of PA Ave. in DC |>just east of the Anacostia river; drove by last night |>in my cage (ah, the shame ....) and saw at leat 50 |>bikes, and really wanted to stop, but didn't since i |>was in my cage ... is that a frequent gathering? |>--- Andrew Maddox wrote: |>> |>> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: |>> |>> >Matt broke the list silnce introducing himself... |>> > |>> >On Monday 01 July 2002 07:14, Matt Pasquali wrote: |>> >> Hey everyone. |>> >> Im new to the list and the DC area. |>> > |>> >As a fairly new member of the list, let me extend |>> my welcome. |>> > |>> >[Dave] As a fairly senior member of the list, |>> ditto ! |>> |>> Stationed at Quantico, eh? Cammie green or Fed blue? |>> I'm another newbie, |>> so I'll be quiet now. 8-) |>> |>> SF! |>> |>> -- |>> SIGFAULT: quote not generated |>> Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX |>> |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup |>http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 07:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Rent/Borrow a Versa-Haul To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, MARRC List , List SV650 , MicaPeak Race List Does anyone have a Versa-Haul(or similar contraption), that I can rent/borrow this weekend. A versa-haul is a motorcycle carrier that connects into a regular towing hitch. http://www.versahaul.com/ I'm in the DC area, but would head to Knoxville on Thursday to pick up a bike. (I'm going there to Atlanta to get a trailer, so a trailer isn't an option.) Thanks, Steve Clark TightSqueezeRacing.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:32:56 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Marsupials anti Suzuki ??? Wayne wondered - Speaking of Ninjas, how do you sub to the Ninja list? A buddy of mine that recently bought a '90 ZX-11 is having troubles. I haven't talked to him in depth, but the gist of it was he left his house and the oil light came on and the bike died. Checked oil level, fine. [Dave] odd... sub info can be had here: I'd be willing to converse with him if need be... Pushed it home and had to attend to other of life's matters. I figured I could point him in the direction of some online Ninja resources for help. Does the Ninja have an oil pressure sensor switch that kills the ignition with no oil pressure? I'm wondering if the bike has a faulty sensor that's causing the problem. It has really low miles on it, so unless there was some catastrophic failure (pickup fell off pump or ??), I can't see him truly having oil pressure problems. [Dave] Not that I'm aware, but, the whole family of '84 - '02 zx900A&B, 1kR, zx10, 11 & zzr12 + the ZRX 11 & 12 are prone to lunching the number 3 & 4 rod bearings / journals. They're both fed oil off the same oil source internally. It typically happens on drag bikes or oft wheelied bikes. Several companies; Muzzys, Westech, Mr. Turbo, SuperbikeMike; make bypass kits that route additional oil from the other side of the motor to the 3&4 journal area to help alleviate the problem. I have one on my bike. They help, but don't eliminate the problem. You would not necessarily hear 'death knock' or 'rod knock' pre failure, and this is exacerbated by the 11 being a noisy motor to begin with. Have him check the oil for excessive bearing material... anyway, HTH Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Dave Cross" To: Subject: Re: Movie sniffers Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:06:51 -0400 > >"5 Times. That is the number of times more likely that a man who rides a > >motorcycle will cry when watching a romantic movie as opposed to a man who > >does not, as found by a survey of 1,100 men by Progressive Insurance." I think I figured out why the above is the case. My guess is that the motorcyclists is watching the romantic movie then realizes that instead of "watching this crap" he could be out riding with his buddies, and then starts to cry. dave _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Copeland, James" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: For Sale Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:43:17 -0400 Sorry for the spam, but I have a few things people may want to purchase. 1) Aria Quantum helmet- Used, front air vent on top is broken ( dropped in kitchen), red color, size (small). Price $125 Good for second lid! 2) Entire rear seat/fairing for 748/916/966- Red color, good condition, few minor marks- Price $100 3) Lower front fairing (Front brake side) 748/916/966- Red color, has marks from tip over in drive way- Price $45 Sorry, no pictures of the stuff, but if you know what these things are, then you have good idea of what it looks like. E-mail me for additional questions. Thanks, Jim _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:12:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Guys (and Gals, probably) Dave asked >Wow... How many new guys since the beginning of '02 ??? So, here's one more saying 'hi'. Newbie, just getting back into riding after starting once, a few years ago, and quitting within a year due to a severe lack of money [2] which made it impossible to fix a total electrical breakdown [1] of the ride at the time (80-something Honda CB650) [3]. Now I'm older, married, gainfully employed[4] and working on convincing SWMBO that it's time for me to have a mid-life crisis consisting mainly of buying a motorcycle again. So, that's me - shall I ask for bike-choosing/buying advice, or look through the archives more thoroughly first? That seems like a FAQ subject... -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX [1] I think it needed a new alternator, maybe some wiring work, but [2] I mean, I was *totally* broke at the time. It was "get the bike fixed" or "pay the rent for another month." See [4] [3] Nice bike, just about right for me, when it was running %-) [4] I'm a computer geek (systems/network type), like some others on this list whose names I've already seen. Doing quite nicely now after bailing out of my last employer 3 weeks before they got sold off by Corporate as a moneypit - ha-ha-ha-HAH! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Content-Identifier: RE: New Guys Autoforwarded: FALSE Precedence: first-class Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:38:44 -0400 From: "Pelletier, Nina" Subject: RE: New Guys To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" (Receipt Notification Requested) Yeah, probable gal here -- I'm new since '02 as well, though I've been actively lurking since April. I haven't been riding for very long -- just started this spring after two years riding pillion (I loved the thread on significant others and riding) -- or very often lately, with the exception of a great weekend trip to Harper's Ferry a few weeks ago, where I learned that stopping on a hill at a stop sign at a 'T' intersection preparatory to making a right hand turn is a skill I definitely need to practice! I have learned a lot from folks on the list in the short time I've been here. Nina 1981 Moto Guzzi V50 Monza 2001 Kawasaki W650 (a great beginner bike!) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Maddox [mailto:madsox@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 2:13 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Guys (and Gals, probably) Dave asked >Wow... How many new guys since the beginning of '02 ??? So, here's one more saying 'hi'. Newbie, just getting back into riding after starting once, a few years ago, and quitting within a year due to a severe lack of money [2] which made it impossible to fix a total electrical breakdown [1] of the ride at the time (80-something Honda CB650) [3]. Now I'm older, married, gainfully employed[4] and working on convincing SWMBO that it's time for me to have a mid-life crisis consisting mainly of buying a motorcycle again. So, that's me - shall I ask for bike-choosing/buying advice, or look through the archives more thoroughly first? That seems like a FAQ subject... -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX [1] I think it needed a new alternator, maybe some wiring work, but [2] I mean, I was *totally* broke at the time. It was "get the bike fixed" or "pay the rent for another month." See [4] [3] Nice bike, just about right for me, when it was running %-) [4] I'm a computer geek (systems/network type), like some others on this list whose names I've already seen. Doing quite nicely now after bailing out of my last employer 3 weeks before they got sold off by Corporate as a moneypit - ha-ha-ha-HAH! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Speed's Cycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX All, I'm considering trading my Speed Triple in on a Ducati S4. So far I'm looking at Speed's Cycle or Clinton Cycles (my current dealer) as the dealer. I'd appreciate any comments pro/con, or suggestions for another dealer (though I'd hate to travel farther than Speed's -I live in Arlington if it makes any difference). [shameless plug] Or, if anyone wants a good deal on a '98 Speed Triple (10K miles, fuel-injected 885 engine, only 500 miles on BT012s, spotless bodywork and stock except for quick release seat, fork protectors - I'm thinking around $6000) let me know. I'm "digested," so responses cc:ed to my address are appreciated. Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:24:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC Cycles Search Down The backend for the dc-cycles.com search is HT Dig, which has a vulnerability and no patch. I have temporarily disabled the search function. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:27:58 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short I probably should have taken it as a sign to stay in bed when I overslept Sat morning. I had to get out the door in 10 minutes in order to meet Steve, Kevin and the other Dan in time. We met up at Sheetz where we left to hit 211. Somewhere on 211 I managed to lose my brand new digital camera. I had forgotten to zip up my pocket in the rush that I was in. We spent about 30 minutes looking for it on the roadside, no luck. Luckily my credit card covers theft/loss for the first 90 days. Then kevin loses his owners manual, we end up turning around to get that. Somwhere I hit a patch of gravel and do a nifty fishtail through a turn. Other than that the ride was great until we got lost somewhere in West VA on CR-13. CR-13 (it might have been CR-13-1 by then, is a one lane road covered in gravel. We were going nice and slow taking our time. I went over a slight hill, at the end of a turn, hit a rather large stick that I didn't notice because I was paying attention to the gravel (now paranoid of the stuff) further ahead. The stick managed to get the bike quite unsettled and pointed in the wrong direction, heading right for a ditch. Looking back I may have been able to REALLY lean the bike over and make it through the turn, but I was pointed right into the ditch and intincts were to scrub off ALL speed. I hit the brakes hard, locked them up and went into the ditch. Damage to the bike was minimal, some scrapes and wind screen had popped out. A few zip ties later (and some blood, I cut myself with the knife) and all was well. We were back on the road, still lost, but everything was ok. We decided it was a good time to stop for the night. Well it turns out there is a blues festival in Summerville, so there were no rooms, even at the dumpiest motel. So we ended up heading for Sutton after getting a reservation there. The next morning, it was little chilly but it looked like a good day to ride. I was a little gun shy after yesterday's incident. So I take it nice and easy. We hit some really great roads. Then I get stung on the neck by a bee just riding down the road. Then Kevin almost runs out of gas and we stop to fuel up. After fueling up we start climbing into another mountain. I start feeling really good again, start pushing it a little more into the turns, everything is going great. My confidence is back up, I'm having a blast. So I go into a pretty tight corner, slightly tighter than I expected, so I end up using every last bit of the road. Well almost into the end of the turn, the road got narrower. It used to be there at one time, but apparetly is just worn/washed away. I hit dirt. Bike low sides, we both fly through some gravel, then fall off a 50 or so foot drop of the side of the hill. The bike makes it down quite a ways, I end up sliding half way down. I try to walk up the hill to let everyone know I'm fine. This isn't quite so easy though, the hill is so steep and muddy, getting up is a PITA. After convincing everyone I was fine(it wasn't easy this time), we try to get someone to pull the bike up (its apparent I won't be riding it home). My cell phone is dead b/c its been in analog mode, Steve's has no service and Kevin's can barely get a signal. Kevin finally gets through. About 1/2 an hour later a State trooper makes his way up. We wait another 30 for the tow trucks. The trooper writes up the report, bike gets pulled out. Its a total mess. I get the info from the wrecking place and we're back on the road, minus one YZF-600R. I'm just fine, have a few scrapes, can't even see them from more than a foot away. My arms are pretty sore from hanging on to the back of Steve's VFR for a couple of hundred miles. I'm thankfull and lucky that I walked away with nothing more that a few scratches and a bruised ego. The JR Phoenix pants, gloves and jacket held up fine. Next long road trip I take, you guy's will see me a mile away with rabbit's feet, horseshoes, four leaf clovers and what ever other lucky charms glued to my bike. Oh, and I'll be leaving a way bigger margin for error/mishaps. Now the real headache starts... the insurance game. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 15:31:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, dan wrote: > I'm thankful and lucky that I walked away with nothing more that a > few scratches and a bruised ego. The JR Phoenix pants, gloves and > jacket held up fine. Bletch. Sorry to hear about it. Glad you came out okay. Enquiring minds want to know: What kind of helmet were you wearing, and how did it hold up? Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:35:31 -0400 How is the bike? I saw a '00 black YZF w/ two bros in the Post this am for 5.5k. From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 4:28 PM I probably should have taken it as a sign to stay in bed when I overslept Sat morning. I had to get out the door in 10 minutes in order to meet Steve, Kevin and the other Dan in time. We met up at Sheetz where we left to hit 211. Somewhere on 211 I managed to lose my brand new digital camera. I had forgotten to zip up my pocket in the rush that I was in. We spent about 30 minutes looking for it on the roadside, no luck. Luckily my credit card covers theft/loss for the first 90 days. Then kevin loses his owners manual, we end up turning around to get that. Somwhere I hit a patch of gravel and do a nifty fishtail through a turn. Other than that the ride was great until we got lost somewhere in West VA on CR-13. CR-13 (it might have been CR-13-1 by then, is a one lane road covered in gravel. We were going nice and slow taking our time. I went over a slight hill, at the end of a turn, hit a rather large stick that I didn't notice because I was paying attention to the gravel (now paranoid of the stuff) further ahead. The stick managed to get the bike quite unsettled and pointed in the wrong direction, heading right for a ditch. Looking back I may have been able to REALLY lean the bike over and make it through the turn, but I was pointed right into the ditch and intincts were to scrub off ALL speed. I hit the brakes hard, locked them up and went into the ditch. Damage to the bike was minimal, some scrapes and wind screen had popped out. A few zip ties later (and some blood, I cut myself with the knife) and all was well. We were back on the road, still lost, but everything was ok. We decided it was a good time to stop for the night. Well it turns out there is a blues festival in Summerville, so there were no rooms, even at the dumpiest motel. So we ended up heading for Sutton after getting a reservation there. The next morning, it was little chilly but it looked like a good day to ride. I was a little gun shy after yesterday's incident. So I take it nice and easy. We hit some really great roads. Then I get stung on the neck by a bee just riding down the road. Then Kevin almost runs out of gas and we stop to fuel up. After fueling up we start climbing into another mountain. I start feeling really good again, start pushing it a little more into the turns, everything is going great. My confidence is back up, I'm having a blast. So I go into a pretty tight corner, slightly tighter than I expected, so I end up using every last bit of the road. Well almost into the end of the turn, the road got narrower. It used to be there at one time, but apparetly is just worn/washed away. I hit dirt. Bike low sides, we both fly through some gravel, then fall off a 50 or so foot drop of the side of the hill. The bike makes it down quite a ways, I end up sliding half way down. I try to walk up the hill to let everyone know I'm fine. This isn't quite so easy though, the hill is so steep and muddy, getting up is a PITA. After convincing everyone I was fine(it wasn't easy this time), we try to get someone to pull the bike up (its apparent I won't be riding it home). My cell phone is dead b/c its been in analog mode, Steve's has no service and Kevin's can barely get a signal. Kevin finally gets through. About 1/2 an hour later a State trooper makes his way up. We wait another 30 for the tow trucks. The trooper writes up the report, bike gets pulled out. Its a total mess. I get the info from the wrecking place and we're back on the road, minus one YZF-600R. I'm just fine, have a few scrapes, can't even see them from more than a foot away. My arms are pretty sore from hanging on to the back of Steve's VFR for a couple of hundred miles. I'm thankfull and lucky that I walked away with nothing more that a few scratches and a bruised ego. The JR Phoenix pants, gloves and jacket held up fine. Next long road trip I take, you guy's will see me a mile away with rabbit's feet, horseshoes, four leaf clovers and what ever other lucky charms glued to my bike. Oh, and I'll be leaving a way bigger margin for error/mishaps. Now the real headache starts... the insurance game. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: Fish Flowers cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short HJC CL-12, but it didn't touch the ground. > > Enquiring minds want to know: What kind of helmet were you wearing, and > how did it hold up? > > Fish. > > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX dude.... for dc-cycles rides it is ONE CRASH PER RIDER PER RIDE. get it straight. ;) glad to hear you're ok. reading the story i wasn't sure how it would turn out.... sounded pretty darn lucky to me (despite the title of this thread) --- dan wrote: > I probably should have taken it as a sign to stay in bed > when I overslept > Sat morning'. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:44:43 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: Rich Hall cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > How is the bike? I saw a '00 black YZF w/ two bros in the Post this am for > 5.5k. > I have this gut feeling that it will be within $5 of being totaled. If it is totaled, I'm thinkin something along the lines of a four wheeler, I hear they do better with gravel and dirt. And according to the trooper they are legal on the streets of WV. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:48:02 -0400 Dan: Glad you're here to write this up. Sorry about the crash, I hope the insurance issue works out. Cedric _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:51:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, dan wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > > > How is the bike? I saw a '00 black YZF w/ two bros in the Post this am for > > 5.5k. > > > > I have this gut feeling that it will be within $5 of being totaled. If it > is totaled, I'm thinkin something along the lines of a four wheeler, I > hear they do better with gravel and dirt. And according to the trooper > they are legal on the streets of WV. Forgive me for asking this, but, how long have/had you had this bike? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:58:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short At 04:27 PM 7/1/2002 -0400, dan wrote: Dan, GOD DAMN!! I would made a u-turn right after I lost the digital camera. (Just got a new one myself, a Canon S30 woo! woo!). Really sorry to hear about the mishaps. But the best part is that you're alive and well. No matter how painful losing the bike is, *that* can always be replaced. Good to hear everyone made it back in one piece. Maybe someone up there was trying to stop you from something even *worse* down the road. Like maybe a Gold Wing convention or something? ;-) cheers, -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: "Daniel H. Brown" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short > Forgive me for asking this, but, how long have/had you had this bike? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > 3 months, 2406 miles. -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Yamaha RD350 Parts Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:59:12 -0400 I know it's a bit of an odd request, but I seized by 1973 RD350 on the beltway Saturday night. Now I need to track down some RD spares and was just wondering if someone had any floating around. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 4:51 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, dan wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > > > How is the bike? I saw a '00 black YZF w/ two bros in the Post this am for > > 5.5k. > > > > I have this gut feeling that it will be within $5 of being totaled. If it > is totaled, I'm thinkin something along the lines of a four wheeler, I > hear they do better with gravel and dirt. And according to the trooper > they are legal on the streets of WV. Forgive me for asking this, but, how long have/had you had this bike? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dan@XXXXXX, brown@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:33:04 +0000

I rode on and around 211 with Collin and the old DC-Cycles crew quite a bit. This is no place to learn!!.  Dan you need to take it easy and get to the point you do not need to think about how to react in a bad situation, instincts and experience are a big part. Always wear full leathers and be ready to ride hard when you go to 211. As my wife says if you get two guys together with 2 pogo sticks they will end up racing!.  Get yourself a dirt bike and ride , wheelie, and wreck until it is second nature. It might save your life. Oh yeah it was quite a site watching Collin get on a clapped out Yamaha Maxim and dusting everyone. It was also cool to watch him wheelie up and down 211 on my TL1000s.

Ride safe and God bless.

Dan Kenney

Blue 2001 Honda Goldwing GL1800a (ABS)

 

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_ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: dan To: DAN KENNEY cc: brown@XXXXXX, Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, DAN KENNEY wrote: > > I rode on and around 211 with Collin and the old DC-Cycles crew quite > a bit. This is no place to learn!!.M- Dan you need to take it easy and > get to the point you do not need to think about how to react in a bad > situation, instincts and experience are a big part. Always wear full > leathers and be ready to ride hard when you go to 211. As my wife > says if you get two guys together with 2 pogo sticks they will end up > racing!.M- Get yourself a dirt bike and ride , wheelie, and wreck > until it is second nature. It might save your life. Oh yeah it was > quite a site watching Collin get on a clapped out Yamaha Maxim and > dusting everyone. It was also cool to watch him wheelie up and down > 211 on my TL1000s. > While I'm sure inexperience played a part in both mishaps, I'm not exactly green to riding. The dirt bike thing, great idea, had one, Spent 4 years trying to kill it. Flew off many a time. All I said was THIS bike had 2406 miles, I have a bit more riding experience. Its my third street bike that I have owned. Granted the other two were cruisers. I've burned up 211 a few times. This weekend included. 211 has very few surprises, its quite well maintained. The two mishaps were NOT on 211. I WISH I stayed on 211. I'd still have my bike. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , "dan" Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:13:45 -0400 Sorry to hear about your crashes man. I was in Wva that day too, i didnt go with you guys :). But i ended up doing 750 miles on my r1 in one day. Maybe next time you guys can come with me, im blessed with good karma. I usually post my rides up in www.sportbikes.net and www.advrider.com and www.sport-touring.net . You ever thought of getting a dual sport bike? They are great to learn on, and provide tons of fun. If you get tired of the power of the bike on the street. They are much more forgivable than sportbikes. Ricardo _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:24:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: Ricardo Pontes Cc: dccycles , dan Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > Sorry to hear about your crashes man. I was in Wva that day too, i didnt go > with you guys :). But i ended up doing 750 miles on my r1 in one day. That's quite a haul, 750 miles of squiggly roads on an R1. Not a bad day's work... :) Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:45:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Rent/Borrow a Versa-Haul At 07:42 AM 7/1/02 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone have a Versa-Haul(or similar contraption), that I can >rent/borrow this weekend. > >A versa-haul is a motorcycle carrier that connects into a regular >towing hitch. http://www.versahaul.com/ > >I'm in the DC area, but would head to Knoxville on Thursday to pick up >a bike. (I'm going there to Atlanta to get a trailer, so a trailer >isn't an option.) > >Thanks, > >Steve Clark >TightSqueezeRacing.org I have a flat deck/basket that mounts in the receiver of my Suburban. It holds 500lbs. It's about as wide as the bumper on my Suburban and probably 1/2 as long as it is wide. It's yours to borrow (free) if you want to try it out. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:51:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeff Steele Subject: Route to Harper's Ferry Could someone please post the route you took to Harper's Ferry on your recent trip? I'm planning a trip there now. Thanks much, Jeff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:26:18 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Marsupials anti Suzuki ??? At 10:32 AM 7/1/02 -0400, you wrote: >[Dave] odd... >sub info can be had here: > >I'd be willing to converse with him if need be... Thanks, Dave. I'm going to forward him this e-mail and your addy. I appreciate it. >[Dave] Not that I'm aware, but, the whole family of '84 - '02 >zx900A&B, 1kR, zx10, 11 & zzr12 + the ZRX 11 & 12 are prone to >lunching the number 3 & 4 rod bearings / journals. They're both fed >oil off the same oil source internally. It typically happens on drag >bikes or oft wheelied bikes. Several companies; Muzzys, Westech, Mr. >Turbo, SuperbikeMike; make bypass kits that route additional oil >from the other side of the motor to the 3&4 journal area to help >alleviate the problem. I have one on my bike. They help, but don't >eliminate the problem. You would not necessarily hear 'death knock' >or 'rod knock' pre failure, and this is exacerbated by the 11 being a >noisy motor to begin with. Have him check the oil for excessive >bearing material... > >anyway, HTH > >Dave Will do. I'm heading over there in about an hour to check his progress on the oil change. This bike has only about 3500 miles on it (even though it's a '90), so I'm hoping it isn't serious engine trouble. -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:36:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Speed's Cycle (2nd try) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 1) Sorry about the weekend ride Dan. Glad you're okay. 2) [The problem with digest mode is you're never really sure if your post is interrupting a fascinating discussion about insurance, or right before a bad-luck story, causing said post to get buried. Oy.] Let me try one more time, anyone have experience with Speed's Cycle as a Duc dealer? Care to compare/contrast tell me about Speed's and or Clinton Cycles as a dealer? Thanks, Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Sounds like your ready for an Iron Butt ride. On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > Sorry to hear about your crashes man. I was in Wva that day too, i didnt go > with you guys :). But i ended up doing 750 miles on my r1 in one day. Maybe > next time you guys can come with me, im blessed with good karma. I usually > post my rides up in www.sportbikes.net and www.advrider.com and > www.sport-touring.net . _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Guns for sale Since I've been out of work for a while and plan on ging on a long motorcycle trip I'm planning on selling my firearms to fund the trip. If you're interested send me an email off list for a descriptions and prices. Hugh _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ISO: new wheels That pesky new guy again, just putting out the word. If anybody knows of or has something in the 500-650cc range, a standard or cruiser bike, that's in need of a new home, let me know... I might be interested. Or if you'd like to give advice on what to (re)start with, let me know that and I'll follow up off-list. Thanks! andy -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Carl Schelin To: Andrew Maddox , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Guys Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:25:14 -0400 On Monday 01 July 2002 14:12, Andrew Maddox wrote: > [4] I'm a computer geek (systems/network type), like some others on this > list whose names I've already seen. Doing quite nicely now after bailing > out of my last employer 3 weeks before they got sold off by Corporate as a > moneypit - ha-ha-ha-HAH! You know, I thought your name looked familiar. I had to check the archives though. Are there any other dc-sage list members here? Carl _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: Guns for sale From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:08:26 -0400 To: "hcaldwell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Hugh, You should be shot (with your own guns) for doing this. %^) Chuck Original Message: ----------------- From: hcaldwell hcaldwell@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:28:37 -0400 (EDT) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Guns for sale Since I've been out of work for a while and plan on ging on a long motorcycle trip I'm planning on selling my firearms to fund the trip. If you're interested send me an email off list for a descriptions and prices. Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:04:17 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: Guns for sale Chuck spewed forth his olfactorily offending comments - Hugh, You should be shot (with your own guns) for doing this. %^) Chuck [Dave] Wouldn't the CATO institute say 'his property, he can do as he wishes...'... Since this is DC-CYCLES, and he's doing it for MOTO purposes, the sale is permitted, under the list charter. You HAVE read the list charter, haven't you, Chuck ???? Besides which, Hugh is has realized that he wants to sell me at least one of his 'death sticks'... and go home & reevaluate his life ;-) or something like that... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 09:47:03 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Re: Yamaha RD350 Parts To: DC-Cycles , "Scott, Wellesley E." I don't have any but these sites should have what you need. Good Luck. Dan http://www.2strokes.com/index.htm http://www.rz350parts.com/ http://www.ifrance.com/rd-rz350lc/pagerzunlimited.htm http://2strokefans.www2.50megs.com/cycles/2strokelinks.htm The last one is a links page to just about every two-stoke site imaginable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Yamaha RD350 Parts > I know it's a bit of an odd request, but I seized by 1973 RD350 on the > beltway Saturday night. Now I need to track down some RD spares and was > just wondering if someone had any floating around. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel H. Brown [mailto:brown@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 4:51 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short > > > > > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, dan wrote: > > > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > > > > > How is the bike? I saw a '00 black YZF w/ two bros in the Post this am > for > > > 5.5k. > > > > > > > I have this gut feeling that it will be within $5 of being totaled. If it > > > is totaled, I'm thinkin something along the lines of a four wheeler, I > > hear they do better with gravel and dirt. And according to the trooper > > they are legal on the streets of WV. > > Forgive me for asking this, but, how long have/had you had this bike? > > > -- > Dan Brown > brown@XXXXXX > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Speed's Cycle (2nd try) To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX if there is a decent duc dealer in the area, i'd also like to know. i was unaware that speed's cycle was a duc dealership. as of now, my next service will be handled by motoeuropa (http://www.motoeuropa.com) in richmond. monster s4, eh? kickass ride.... --- Aaron wrote: > 1) Sorry about the weekend ride Dan. Glad you're > okay. > > 2) [The problem with digest mode is you're never > really sure if your post is interrupting a fascinating > discussion about insurance, or right before a bad-luck > story, causing said post to get buried. Oy.] > > Let me try one more time, anyone have experience with > Speed's Cycle as a Duc dealer? Care to > compare/contrast tell me about Speed's and or Clinton > Cycles as a dealer? > > Thanks, > > Aaron __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: dan , DAN KENNEY Cc: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- dan wrote: > 211 has very few surprises, its quite well maintained. have a close look at the pavement heading east on the east side of the gap. shit. pure shit. someone recently told me that va. has no state cash for road projects.... is this true? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Speed's Cycle (2nd try) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:53:59 -0400 Yes, Speed's is a duc and moto-guzzi dealer. They had a nice display at the Balto bike show. They also work on BMWs and support the community. Nice guy, Speed. Check out http://www.speedscycle.com/ LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Tom Gimer asked: if there is a decent duc dealer in the area, i'd also like to know. i was unaware that speed's cycle was a duc dealership. as of now, my next service will be handled by motoeuropa (http://www.motoeuropa.com) in richmond. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'dan carr'" , DC-Cycles Subject: RE: Yamaha RD350 Parts Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:59:44 -0400 Thanks for the links Dan. Ahhh, I love the smell of two-stroke in the morning. -----Original Message----- From: dan carr [mailto:djcarr1@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:47 AM To: DC-Cycles; Scott, Wellesley E. Subject: Re: Yamaha RD350 Parts I don't have any but these sites should have what you need. Good Luck. Dan http://www.2strokes.com/index.htm http://www.rz350parts.com/ http://www.ifrance.com/rd-rz350lc/pagerzunlimited.htm http://2strokefans.www2.50megs.com/cycles/2strokelinks.htm The last one is a links page to just about every two-stoke site imaginable. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:04:01 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: road maintenance $$$ TG asks > 211 has very few surprises, its quite well maintained. someone recently told me that va. has no state cash for road projects.... is this true? [Dave] Pretty much. They were reimbursing 50% of the county car taxes, then 70, and the GA just kept spending money like they were printing the damn stuff themselves... Not that MD is any better at road maintenance, but VDOT needs some more funds. They don't need it from a tax increse, but they need more funding. Roads in VA areprobably going to deteriorate for 2 or 3 more years before we climb out of this money pit... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:28:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Tom Gimer CC: dan , DAN KENNEY , brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Tom Gimer wrote: > someone recently told me that va. has no state cash for > road projects.... is this true? True. Former Gov Jimbo Bubba Gilmore's ill-planned car tax rebate coupled with a decline in the economy and financial hi-jinks perpetrated by the VDOT has pushed the Commonwealth of Virginia into near bankruptcy. Of course the taxpayers liked the reduction in car tax, but the state then cut back on money sent to the counties for education and fire/police services and road improvements as well, pushing the counties into the red. Next up for revenue, house tax. In the last two years my 6 month house tax bill has rocketed up from $1100 and change to near $1500, roughly what I *saved* on car tax. And we still have no money for roads. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: RE: Guns for sale From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:34:23 -0400 To: "sdave@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Dave, You should be shot for aiding and abetting. Chuck Original Message: Besides which, Hugh is has realized that he wants to sell me at least one of his 'death sticks'... and go home & reevaluate his life ;-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:38:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short At 10:28 AM 7/2/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >True. Former Gov Jimbo Bubba Gilmore's ill-planned car tax rebate >coupled with a decline in the economy and financial hi-jinks perpetrated >by the VDOT has pushed the Commonwealth of Virginia into near >bankruptcy. If he could see into the future, then it would be ill planned. No one wanted that car tax. Everything was in surplus at the time, then the bottom fell out of the economy. If they had just repealed the tax, it wouldn't have been so bad. But no - the state is also making up the money lost to the counties. Gilmore got elected partly because he promised to repeal that car tax. I'm glad he had the balls to stick it out. Its a lot harder to get taxes repealed than it is to levy them. Yeah - we have to tighten the buckle quite a bit, but after seeing the day to day waste in VA government, I'm pretty sure they can trim the fat in a lot of other ways.... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:46:32 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: road maintenance $$$ sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] Pretty much. They were reimbursing 50% of the county car > taxes, then 70, and the GA just kept spending money like they were > printing the damn stuff themselves... Not that MD is any better at > road maintenance, but VDOT needs some more funds. They don't need it > from a tax increse, but they need more funding. Hmm, so where does VDOT get funding if not from tax revenue? That would be state, federal, or county/city taxes. WAIT! Yes, slipping into conserv repub mode, how about cutting off all social sevices! Yeah, let the little rug-rats who didn't choose to be born into poverty starve to death. Probably improve the breed anyway, sorta like eugenics. My suggestion would be to scrap the expensive SOL testing program, nicknamed Shit Outta Luck tests by the students. As a former educator I don't like SOLs and the teaching to the test required. Studetns memorize and spew factiods, which has little to do with the educational goal of learning how to *think* in a logical manner. Besides, the teen-critters allready take dozens of tests. Soon they'll be spending half the educational year with a #2 pencil in hand. Also, we could carve down the size of the VA government which has ballooned 70% under the "less government" administrations of Gov Allen and Gilmore. I think your 2 to 3 year estimate is optimistic, Dave. VA has been screwed to the max, and unless the economy takes a hard upswing it's gonna stay screwed. A tax increase would do it, but nooo, we want all those upscale services for FREE! Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:30:18 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: RE: RE: RE: Guns for sale Chuck, I'll be sure to shoot a target with your likeness on it, next range day. ;-0 Dave Dave, You should be shot for aiding and abetting. Chuck Original Message: -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:44:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short At 10:38 AM 7/2/2002 -0400, Troutman wrote: >At 10:28 AM 7/2/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >>True. Former Gov Jimbo Bubba Gilmore's ill-planned car tax rebate >>coupled with a decline in the economy and financial hi-jinks perpetrated >>by the VDOT has pushed the Commonwealth of Virginia into near >>bankruptcy. > >If he could see into the future, then it would be ill planned. No one >wanted that car tax. Everything was in surplus at the time, then the >bottom fell out of the economy. If they had just repealed the tax, it >wouldn't have been so bad. But no - the state is also making up the money >lost to the counties. Gilmore got elected partly because he promised to >repeal that car tax. I'm glad he had the balls to stick it out. Its a >lot harder to get taxes repealed than it is to levy them. Yeah - we have >to tighten the buckle quite a bit, but after seeing the day to day waste >in VA government, I'm pretty sure they can trim the fat in a lot of other >ways.... not only that but it's been reported that VDOT has for years wasted money on dead end projects, cost overruns and poor management. If the other 49 states can do without a car tax and still get their roads fixed, Virginia certainly can too. Huge annual outlays of cash to pay the car tax is tough for most folks to swallow...I know it was for me. Compound that with their brilliant idea that the money needs to be paid during the holiday season when money is already tight made it even worse. I think most people would favor small amounts of money going out on a monthly basis, (e.g. sales taxes etc.), than that big wad at the end of the year. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:47:46 -0700 >>Somewhere on 211 I managed to lose my brand new digital camera. Needless to say, it wasn't a good start on the weekend for Dan. >>Somewhere I hit a patch of gravel and did a nifty fishtail through a turn. Dan wasn't the only one getting the back end loose on gravel. Talk about instant pucker factor! >>We were going nice and slow taking our time. I went over a slight hill, at the end of a turn, hit a rather large stick that I didn't notice because I was paying attention to the gravel (now paranoid of the stuff) further ahead. The stick managed to get the bike quite unsettled and pointed in the wrong direction, heading right for a ditch. This was a nasty downhill turn sprayed with gravel and sand. We were all going slowly and cautiously at this point. The gravel was bad enough, but throw in the harder braking needed on a downhill turn, and it's easy to understand why his brakes locked up. >>After fueling up we start climbing into another mountain. I start feeling really good again, start pushing it a little more into the turns, everything is going great. My confidence is back up, I'm having a blast. This was Rt20 from Summersville going north towards Buckhannon. Constant turns and elevation changes. Very technical riding. After an hour of this stuff, my wrist was aching from the death grip work the throttle. >>So I go into a pretty tight corner, slightly tighter than I expected, so I end up using every last bit of the road. Well almost into the end of the turn, the road got narrower. This was a classic decreasing radius turn compounded by the fact that it was at the peak of this mountain. Entry into the curve was uphill, the curve apexed, then it fell away downhill while tightening up at the same time. I remember having to scrub off a LOT of speed in mid-turn on this one. Once through the turn, I was watching in my mirror for the others to come through. Got that instant sickening feeling as I watched Dan go down and disappear into the brush. >>About 1/2 an hour later a State trooper makes his way up. Told us he just got finished working another MC wreck at the bottom of the mountain. Another rider that didn't make a curve, except this guy had to be ambulanced out. >>My arms are pretty sore from hanging on to the back of Steve's VFR for a couple of hundred miles. Dan, are you saying you had a death grip on the passenger handles for that last 200 mile speed blast home? I just can't imagine why! >>I'm thankfull and lucky that I walked away with nothing more that a few scratches and a bruised ego. Most of us have been there; done that! And thankful to ride another day! Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:59:45 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Troutman wrote: > If he could see into the future, then it would be ill planned. No one > wanted that car tax. Everything was in surplus at the time, then the > bottom fell out of the economy. If they had just repealed the tax, it > wouldn't have been so bad. But no - the state is also making up the money > lost to the counties. Gilmore got elected partly because he promised to > repeal that car tax. I'm glad he had the balls to stick it out. Its a lot > harder to get taxes repealed than it is to levy them. Yeah - we have to > tighten the buckle quite a bit, but after seeing the day to day waste in VA > government, I'm pretty sure they can trim the fat in a lot of other ways.... You're right, there was no repeal because the Governer doesn't have the constitutional power to repeal a county tax. Gilmore ran on a lie, and the masses of ignorants who had no clue what the VA constitution said voted for him. And you're right about fat. As I stated in another post, Allen and Gilmore fluffed the VA government up about 70%, contrary to thier position of less government. Seeing into the future had little to do with it. Gilmore proved his lack of basic arithmetic skills when his estimate of the cost to the state was less than half the projected cost. And let's not forget his despeirate attempt to go for the 70% rebate. One of his plans to artificially inflted the buget was to rape federal medicaid funds. Not a new idea, about a dozen states take advantage of that loophole. And he instructed the tax department to withold refunds to inflate the cash on hand, ignoring the accounts payable deficit in the reporting of revenue available. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:42:36 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: road maintenance $$$ Bill jumped up on the stump & proclaimed : Hmm, so where does VDOT get funding if not from tax revenue? That would be state, federal, or county/city taxes. [Dave] Hack them damn wasteful programs !!! ALL of 'em ! How 'bout a referendum on a 50% pay cut for all legislative, judicial & executive employees of the Commonwealth that make more than $60k / year ??? WAIT! Yes, slipping into conserv repub mode, how about cutting off all social sevices! Yeah, let the little rug-rats who didn't choose to be born into poverty starve to death. Probably improve the breed anyway, sorta like eugenics. [Dave] Can't afford 'em, don't knock 'em out ! My suggestion would be to scrap the expensive SOL testing program, nicknamed Shit Outta Luck tests by the students. As a former educator I don't like SOLs and the teaching to the test required. Studetns memorize and spew factiods, which has little to do with the educational goal of learning how to *think* in a logical manner. Besides, the teen-critters allready take dozens of tests. Soon they'll be spending half the educational year with a #2 pencil in hand. [Dave] That's a good idea. SOL's are feel good requirements. In the People's republic of Nueva York, my Mom In Law gets a tax refund for all the money devoted to schools, because, she has no kids in school - there's a concept - don't use it, don't pay for it. Also, we could carve down the size of the VA government which has ballooned 70% under the "less government" administrations of Gov Allen and Gilmore. [Dave] Amen, Brother Bill ! I think your 2 to 3 year estimate is optimistic, Dave. VA has been screwed to the max, and unless the economy takes a hard upswing it's gonna stay screwed. A tax increase would do it, but nooo, we want all those upscale services for FREE! [Dave] Actually, I've used less than 1% of government services that my taxes support, so from my perspective, 99 cents of every dollar I pay to VA is flushed down the financial toilet. I'd venture to say that most citizens will never use all the currently offered Gubmint services... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:08:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Aki Damme wrote: > not only that but it's been reported that VDOT has for years wasted money > on dead end projects, cost overruns and > poor management. True. > If the other 49 states can do without a car tax and still > get their roads fixed, Virginia certainly > can too. FALSE! Many other states have car tax. NC does, and while my boat was in Camden County I paid property tax on it. And you overlook *other* taxes. VA's state income tax s very low. Ciggie tax is the lowest in the nation, at 2.5 cents a pack. In MD one pays state tax and then like a 60% (depending on county) surtax for local government, and they STILL pay house taxes! > Huge annual outlays of cash to pay the car tax is tough for most > folks to swallow...I know it was for me. > Compound that with their brilliant idea that the money needs to be paid > during the holiday season when money is > already tight made it even worse. I think most people would favor small > amounts of money going out on a monthly > basis, (e.g. sales taxes etc.), than that big wad at the end of the year. This is true. It wasn't the actual tax but the one lump outlay that made folks grimace. Most folks have house tax added into the mortgage, a relitively painless fee. I don't, no first trust to handle those ugly details. Evry six months, bend ovah and drop da pants! On July 28th I'll be sending FrFx county close to $1500, and again on Dec 28th, just after the traditional cash out for presents for the grandkiddies and such. Bill. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: Tuesday Night Leesburg Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:03:37 -0400 Tuesday Night bike night in Leesburg At the local yuppie starbucks hangout _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:07:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short At 10:59 AM 7/2/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > there was no repeal because the Governer doesn't have the >constitutional power to repeal a county tax. The legislature can repeal the county's ability to levy such a tax though ... since the state enacted the enabling legislation. >Allen and >Gilmore fluffed the VA government up about 70%, contrary to thier position of >less government. In my experience with VA gov't, that is an incorrect statement. Any stats to back it? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Rich Hall To: dccycles Subject: RE: Tuesday Night Leesburg Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:09:38 -0400 Where is this Starbucks? What time are people gathering? From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:04 AM Tuesday Night bike night in Leesburg At the local yuppie starbucks hangout _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:09:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short At 11:08 AM 7/2/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >Most folks have house tax added into the mortgage, a relitively >painless fee. Might be painless for you, but it isn't for the rest of us. My 'house tax' is almost $200 a month. I sure as Hell have a lot better ways to spend $200 each month. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: "William J. Huson" , Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "William J. Huson" wrote: . . . and wrote and wrote . . . but not about motorcycles. Perhaps this lack of funds is a good thing, it'll make the roads more interesting. Unpaved roads, broken pavement, mud . . . cool. . . . oh and I'll volunteer to take one of those starving rugrats. All I ask is that the state allow my wife and I to raise the child to be conservative. Leon I like riding almost anywhere . . . and proud parent of two conservative Republican adults. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:29:20 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: road maintenance $$$ sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > [Dave] Can't afford 'em, don't knock 'em out ! A nice idea, but unworkable. > [Dave] That's a good idea. SOL's are feel good requirements. > In the People's republic of Nueva York, my Mom In Law gets a tax > refund for all the money devoted to schools, because, she has no kids > in school - there's a concept - don't use it, don't pay for it. New York has State Regeants exams, talk about shit outta luck. You flunk the exam, you take the course over. Back in the 50s when I was trembling in fear with a death grip on the #2 pencil, there was one test for all. Now Dr Feel Good rules, and NY has three test levels, college bound, burger flipper, and mouth breather. Moto content! Years ago, after EMT reports of road rash, NY actually considered legislating complete coverage riding gear AKA leathers. NY has a tendancy to be a nanny state. HINT: want good contact cement? Buy a bottle that says it's banned in NYC by the fire department! Grabs like all get-out! The fumes will make you giggle too, not neccessarily a downside :-) Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:32:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Troutman wrote: > At 11:08 AM 7/2/2002, William J. Huson wrote: > >Most folks have house tax added into the mortgage, a relitively > >painless fee. > > Might be painless for you, but it isn't for the rest of us. My 'house tax' > is almost $200 a month. I sure as Hell have a lot better ways to spend > $200 each month. > $200/mo = $2400/yr. Gotcha beat, $1495 every 6 months = close to 3K/yr. You should have the rest of my post. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:31:48 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tuesday Night Leesburg Will they be showing the races there? Hugh On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > Tuesday Night bike night in Leesburg > > At the local yuppie starbucks hangout > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: OT: FS: 1999 VFR800 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:34:10 -0400 Sorry for OT: 1999 VFR800 15800 miles Helibars, Sargent Seat, Micron Slip-on, Marsee tank bag, Givi Wingrack2 with E460 topcase, Zero Gravity Sport-Tour screen I have the original seat, exhaust and wind screen. Bike has a new BT-020 rear, and BT-010 front. Email me for more details -- $6500 for everything, otherwise I can part it out. Brian brianr@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 07:52:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Fairfax County can start by stop getting "special" $800 custom paint jobs on the cop cars... Glenn --- Troutman wrote: , but after seeing the > day to day waste in VA > government, I'm pretty sure they can trim the fat in > a lot of other ways.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:44:10 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Re: road maintenance $$$ To: "William J. Huson" Cc: DC-Cycles ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re: road maintenance $$$ > > Studetns memorize and spew factiods, which has little to do with the educational goal of > learning how to *think* in a logical manner. Besides, the teen-critters > allready take dozens of tests. Soon they'll be spending half the > educational year with a #2 pencil in hand. > SNIP > Bill > > They tried to do that years ago with Goals 2000 in VA which my father was involved in trying to get passed. It was supposed to change the way schools taught to be based on critical thinking and problem solving. It almost made it, but the far right religious groups deemed it Anti-God, Anti-Family, Anti-American. Seems that you are not supposed to think for yourself, but only do God's bidding. Wilder being on the way out and wishing to make points withdrew support at the last minute and GA ran on a platform of killing it. Politics won out, the kids lost as usual. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: FS: 1999 VFR800 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:49:50 -0400 You bitch! ;) Rob '98 VFR800 From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: OT: FS: 1999 VFR800 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:34:10 -0400 Sorry for OT: 1999 VFR800 15800 miles Helibars, Sargent Seat, Micron Slip-on, Marsee tank bag, Givi Wingrack2 with E460 topcase, Zero Gravity Sport-Tour screen I have the original seat, exhaust and wind screen. Bike has a new BT-020 rear, and BT-010 front. Email me for more details -- $6500 for everything, otherwise I can part it out. Brian brianr@XXXXXX _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:08:12 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: West VA Ride Glenn pointed out - Fairfax County can start by stop getting "special" $800 custom paint jobs on the cop cars... [Dave] Yeah! What's wrong with Ealr Sheib (sp?) ? Besides, they're just going to wad those cruisers trying in futility to chase down bikers to write them speeding tickets ! Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Glove Opinions? To: dccycles Hi all. I'm looking to replace my current Teknic gloves with something that has more protection and is more comfortable. I'm aware that these two requirements are sometimes mutually exclusive. My main requirements are that it 1) have no stitching (or as little as possible) on the palm and palm-side of fingers, 2) has a good, secure fastening system, 3) is well-assembled and 4) has a decent-sized cuff to fit over sleeves. Venting is not a high priority. I'm looking to spend between $100 and $200. I've looked at the inventory at Fast Lane Cycles (Held, Joe Rocket, Fieldsheer) and seen motorcyclegearreview.com on the subject. I was hoping for some first-had reports from you listers. TIA, Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:19:17 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Glove Opinions? Chris asked: I'm looking to replace my current Teknic gloves with something that has more protection and is more comfortable. I'm aware that these two requirements are sometimes mutually exclusive. My main requirements are that it 1) have no stitching (or as little as possible) on the palm and palm-side of fingers, 2) has a good, secure fastening system, 3) is well-assembled and 4) has a decent-sized cuff to fit over sleeves. Venting is not a high priority. I'm looking to spend between $100 and $200. [Dave] I have Z Custom Deer traks (or whatever they call it). Admittedly, I bought them because MCN did their 'glove test' and the Z customs got a favorable review (#2 overall), and they were only 80 smackers. I can't personally vouch for their abrasion resistance, wear on asphalt, impact resistance / absorption, and quite frankly, I hope I never can. They are comfortable, allegedly tough, durable (as far as that can be taken, given I haven't "tested" them), and I'll buy another pair, should I need. They have more frills available now, like carbon etc... I just got basic black like the ones in the test... So I lose 5 Poseur points... HTH Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Glove Opinions? To: Chris Weaver , dccycles the held glove is the way to go. i've tried a friend's pair and they felt quite substantial in the protection department while at the same time providing excellent feel. i will be replacing my fieldsheer gloves with the held model that has carbon/kevlar knuckle protection and palms made of kangaroo buttocks. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm looking to replace my current Teknic gloves with > something that has more protection and is more > comfortable. I'm aware that these two requirements are > sometimes mutually exclusive. > > My main requirements are that it 1) have no stitching > (or as little as possible) on the palm and palm-side > of fingers, 2) has a good, secure fastening system, > 3) is well-assembled and 4) has a decent-sized cuff to > fit over sleeves. Venting is not a high priority. I'm > looking to spend between $100 and $200. > > I've looked at the inventory at Fast Lane Cycles > (Held, Joe Rocket, Fieldsheer) and seen > motorcyclegearreview.com on the subject. I was hoping > for some first-had reports from you listers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Subject: RE: Glove Opinions? From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:56:55 -0400 To: "chris_vtr@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Chris, I have a pair of Fieldsheer TechPro gloves that I'm very happy with and didn't cost big bucks (can't remember exactly what I paid for them, but I know it was less than $100 up at the Philly m/c show). Carbon fiber on the fingers and knuckles Substantial padding on the cuff. Very adjustable to fit over your wrist and cuff. At the time, they were Fieldsheer's top of the line glove, but have since been superseded by their Sonic Race gloves and Titanium Race gloves. They've been very comfortable for me, but of course YMMV. One thing I really like about the Fieldsheer gloves was how far over the cuff they extend. If money were no object, I'd look at Held and Kushitani gloves. Chuck Original Message: I'm looking to replace my current Teknic gloves with something that has more protection and is more comfortable. I'm aware that these two requirements are sometimes mutually exclusive. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Carl Schelin To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Quarters Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:57:34 -0400 I just wanted to say thanks to whomever put the buck in the meter for me yesterday. Assuming they're on the list. A 30 minute meeting dragged on to 2 hours, about an hour past meter expiring. I was panicing and headed over to the bike expecting to see a ticket and found 3 hours and 30 minutes left on the meter. *whew* And then, when I tried to leave, I got pulled into the staff meeting and spent another hour expecting that my luck couldn't last. Fortunately the meter lady didn't come by. Today I was able to put a couple of quarters in for another biker in the same lot. Anyways, if you're listening; thanks. I outta here. "See" you all tomorrow. Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:08:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Found on usenet : '93 VFR for sale Don't email me - email vfrman@XXXXXX. Re-posting 'cause I like VFRs, and this one is close. FOR SALE: 1993 Honda VFR-750 F -one owner -38K miles (90% touring) -completely stock -new tires last year -chain/sprockets replaced @ 28K -looks great, runs great; need nothing Honda VFR-750s have won numerous "Bike of the Year" awards from many motorcycle mags. From 1993-1997, the VFR-750F was basically unchanged. 1993s are unique, as that year's model was white; all others have been red. The VFR defined the term "SPORT TOURING". It is a sportbike, but has ergonomics that make for comfortable all day riding, even with a passenger. Kelly Blue Book (http://www.kbb.com) Retail value $4490; Trade In value $3090. Selling for $3400 (firm). If interested, contact Bryan at work from 7:30a - 4:20p EST at 202-927-0985. I live in Stafford, Virginia, about 45 min S of DC on I-95. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: OT: Fireworks To: Moto Crew , DC Cycles If anyone knows of a good place to buy real fireworks (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD, please email me off line. Thanks Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:34:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Moto Crew cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks Don't think you can find real ones anywhere in DC or MD. VA has some (as a kid, we'd always stop somewhere over the border on US-301 near King George and load up), but they aren't "real" in the sense of challenging the mall display in grandeur. They do sell ones that bang, fly, and create big showers of sparks and noise. There is a place in Breezewood, PA that's reputed to be the Wal-Mart of fireworks. Name escapes me, but it's not like it would be hard to find there. Kaboom- -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD http://jeff.desi-9.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:39:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks To: Jeff Conlin , Moto Crew Cc: DC Cycles This is purely theoretical of course...... I do not think VA has anything that shoots into the air. I think the law changed. Anyway, rivaling the Mall show is not my (theoretical) plan. --- Jeff Conlin wrote: > Don't think you can find real ones anywhere in DC or > MD. VA has some (as a > kid, we'd always stop somewhere over the border on > US-301 near King George > and load up), but they aren't "real" in the sense of > challenging the mall > display in grandeur. They do sell ones that bang, > fly, and create big > showers of sparks and noise. > > There is a place in Breezewood, PA that's reputed to > be the Wal-Mart of > fireworks. Name escapes me, but it's not like it > would be hard to find > there. > > Kaboom- > -- > Jeff Conlin > Beltsville, MD > http://jeff.desi-9.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:40:15 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks PHANTOM. 3-4 Hour wait on Sunday. We left. None in WVA or VA that we could find. Friend is going back tonight. At 02:34 PM 7/2/2002, Jeff Conlin wrote: >There is a place in Breezewood, PA that's reputed to be the Wal-Mart of >fireworks. Name escapes me, but it's not like it would be hard to find >there. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom De Subject: Re: Glove Opinions? To: Chris Weaver , dccycles Hi, 4-5 years ago I had to go through the same thing. After many suggestions (most for the Helds) I got a pair of the Helds from Fast Lanes. They've been great, but I'm thinking the next pair maybe something else. Gloves in the last few years seemed to have improved a great deal. All in all the Helds are a good choice. Tom --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm looking to replace my current Teknic gloves with > something that has more protection and is more > comfortable. I'm aware that these two requirements > are > sometimes mutually exclusive. > > My main requirements are that it 1) have no > stitching > (or as little as possible) on the palm and palm-side > of fingers, 2) has a good, secure fastening system, > 3) is well-assembled and 4) has a decent-sized cuff > to > fit over sleeves. Venting is not a high priority. > I'm > looking to spend between $100 and $200. > > I've looked at the inventory at Fast Lane Cycles > (Held, Joe Rocket, Fieldsheer) and seen > motorcyclegearreview.com on the subject. I was > hoping > for some first-had reports from you listers. > > TIA, > Chris Weaver > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: OT: FS: 1999 VFR800 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" while one might assume that making an "on topic" (OT) post requires permission here, this is actually not the case --- "ROBERSON, Brian" wrote: > Sorry for OT: > > 1999 VFR800 15800 miles > > Helibars, Sargent Seat, Micron Slip-on, Marsee tank bag, > Givi Wingrack2 with > E460 topcase, Zero Gravity Sport-Tour screen > I have the original seat, exhaust and wind screen. Bike > has a new BT-020 > rear, and BT-010 front. > > Email me for more details -- $6500 for everything, > otherwise I can part it > out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:17:03 -0400 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: OT: Fireworks If anyone knows of a good place to buy real fireworks (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD... [Dave] Not specifically... Aren't they illegal in jurisdictions surrounding DC except VA ? I think the VA skinny is Loudon & UnFairTax counties are more restrictive in what you can buy, PW OTOH, I think has more liberal firework purchase laws... You *could* mail order some tannerite (a binary explosive) targets from www.tannerite.com... They look pretty ...entertaining. Just a thought... Anybody actually ride to a local fireworks display ? In Indian Head, bikers could park on the sidewalks, or in adjacent parking lots, meaning you didn't have to walk as far as the BDC's... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:31:12 EDT Subject: Re: Yamaha RD350 Parts...2 smoke To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2002 10:02:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wscott@XXXXXX writes: > Ahhh, I love the smell of two-stroke in the morning. Yea... But it has got to be bean oil. god I love the smell of a two cycle burning bean oil. One good wiff of bean oil smoke and I am ready to race. I just gotta get my CR running! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX And Phatom are crooks. I think charge upwards of $15 for a brick of firecrackers. A&W Sales in Muncy, PA is your best bet as they sell that same brick from around $5 but its a good little hike up there. Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > PHANTOM. > > 3-4 Hour wait on Sunday. We left. None in WVA or > VA that we could > find. Friend is going back tonight. > > At 02:34 PM 7/2/2002, Jeff Conlin wrote: > > >There is a place in Breezewood, PA that's reputed > to be the Wal-Mart of > >fireworks. Name escapes me, but it's not like it > would be hard to find > >there. > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:36:49 EDT Subject: Re: road maintenance $$$ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2002 10:41:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > which has little to do with the educational goal of > learning how to *think* in a logical manner. Think?? You think any politician wants an electorate that can think? How would they bullshit their way into office? John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:39:58 EDT Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2002 11:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Many other states have car tax. NC does Not the 6 years I lived there. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Glove Opinions? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:42:20 -0400 I was right next to Chuck and bought a pair of the Fieldsheers up there, as well. I think we paid about $90 for them, but Dave at CAD Cycles has them for $79.99/pr. They have held up quite well; not being road tested! Just my two cents. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX To: "chris_vtr@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Glove Opinions? Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:56:55 -0400 Chris, I have a pair of Fieldsheer TechPro gloves that I'm very happy with and didn't cost big bucks (can't remember exactly what I paid for them, but I know it was less than $100 up at the Philly m/c show). Carbon fiber on the fingers and knuckles Substantial padding on the cuff. Very adjustable to fit over your wrist and cuff. At the time, they were Fieldsheer's top of the line glove, but have since been superseded by their Sonic Race gloves and Titanium Race gloves. They've been very comfortable for me, but of course YMMV. One thing I really like about the Fieldsheer gloves was how far over the cuff they extend. If money were no object, I'd look at Held and Kushitani gloves. Chuck Original Message: I'm looking to replace my current Teknic gloves with something that has more protection and is more comfortable. I'm aware that these two requirements are sometimes mutually exclusive. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62JjDr27795; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:45:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: markkitchell@XXXXXX, dcar6motocrew@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:45:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jul 2002 19:45:05.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6F0DD40:01C22200] Mark, I don't know much about them, but the last time I was at the Costco in Frederick, they had a bunch of 'impressive looking' packages of various incendiary treats, priced as a $300 value for only $100 I believe. Could be worth a trip if they have any more. Just an fyi. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Mark Kitchell To: Moto Crew , DC Cycles Subject: OT: Fireworks Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) If anyone knows of a good place to buy real fireworks (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD, please email me off line. Thanks Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62Jnkr27910; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:49:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:50:50 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Re: Yamaha RD350 Parts To: "Scott, Wellesley E." , DC-Cycles Message-id: <005001c221f1$00fcaef0$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Your welcome. I had an 1985 RZ350K tricked out. Bar none the most fun of any of the bikes I've ever owned. PITA rebuilding it every year or so but an absolute blast. Cheers, Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'dan carr'" ; "DC-Cycles" Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: RE: Yamaha RD350 Parts > Thanks for the links Dan. > > Ahhh, I love the smell of two-stroke in the morning. > > -----Original Message----- > From: dan carr [mailto:djcarr1@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:47 AM > To: DC-Cycles; Scott, Wellesley E. > Subject: Re: Yamaha RD350 Parts > > > I don't have any but these sites should have what you need. Good Luck. Dan > http://www.2strokes.com/index.htm > http://www.rz350parts.com/ > http://www.ifrance.com/rd-rz350lc/pagerzunlimited.htm > > http://2strokefans.www2.50megs.com/cycles/2strokelinks.htm > The last one is a links page to just about every two-stoke site imaginable. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62KXl428750; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:33:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: linux1.gl.umbc.edu: jconli1 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:33:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Mark Kitchell cc: Moto Crew , DC Cycles Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks In-Reply-To: <20020702183911.46377.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Ahh, here's the link for the place in Breezewood. http://www.fireworks.com/default_noflash.asp -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD '95 GPz1100 http://jeff.desi-9.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62KgTa29027; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:42:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020702204219.8520.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:42:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks To: Jeff Conlin , Mark Kitchell Cc: Moto Crew , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jesus, they are higher then I thought they were. $20 for 80 packs of 16 firecrackers! What a ripoff. Glenn --- Jeff Conlin wrote: > Ahh, here's the link for the place in Breezewood. > > http://www.fireworks.com/default_noflash.asp > -- > Jeff Conlin > Beltsville, MD > '95 GPz1100 > http://jeff.desi-9.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62KwjW29365; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:58:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020702171504.045bd244@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:15:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:32 AM 7/2/02 -0400, you wrote: >Troutman wrote: > >> At 11:08 AM 7/2/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >> >Most folks have house tax added into the mortgage, a relitively >> >painless fee. >> >> Might be painless for you, but it isn't for the rest of us. My 'house tax' >> is almost $200 a month. I sure as Hell have a lot better ways to spend >> $200 each month. >> > >$200/mo = $2400/yr. Gotcha beat, $1495 every 6 months = close to 3K/yr. You >should have the rest of my post. > >Bill Is that your property tax? If so, count yourself lucky. :-) -- Wayne in MD _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62L1ic29540; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:01:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020702171804.045c19c0@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:18:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Glove Opinions? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:58 AM 7/2/02 -0700, you wrote: >My main requirements are that it 1) have no stitching >(or as little as possible) on the palm and palm-side >of fingers, 2) has a good, secure fastening system, >3) is well-assembled and 4) has a decent-sized cuff to >fit over sleeves. Venting is not a high priority. I'm >looking to spend between $100 and $200. > >I've looked at the inventory at Fast Lane Cycles >(Held, Joe Rocket, Fieldsheer) and seen >motorcyclegearreview.com on the subject. I was hoping >for some first-had reports from you listers. > >TIA, >Chris Weaver I have the JRs and they're nice. The stitching on the outside of the fingers looks sloppy, but it makes for a comfy place for your fingers :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62LBT829753; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:11:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: linux1.gl.umbc.edu: jconli1 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:11:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Moto Crew cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ... looking at Phantom's website is pretty amazing. "Pennsylvania residents may not purchase fireworks at our two PA stores. Fireworks are illegal in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania residents are encouraged to buy them at our Ohio location. Please consider becoming an organ donor." So apparently they check for PA licenses, but are allowed to sell serious fireworks to any out-of-stater independent of the laws of their home state. Looks like their stuff is far beyond what's considered legal anywhere north of SC. Maybe it actually *does* rival the real deal. The video clips on the site sure look amazing. I wonder what the MD Troopers do about this, 'cause I'm sure they've got some kind of operation going. -- Jeff Conlin '95 GPz1100 Beltsville, MD http://jeff.desi-9.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62LPFd00205; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:25:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020702174133.045c19b0@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:41:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:11 PM 7/2/02 -0400, you wrote: >... looking at Phantom's website is pretty amazing. > >"Pennsylvania residents may not purchase fireworks at our two PA stores. >Fireworks are illegal in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania residents are >encouraged to buy them at our Ohio location. Please consider becoming an >organ donor." > >So apparently they check for PA licenses, but are allowed to sell serious >fireworks to any out-of-stater independent of the laws of their home >state. Looks like their stuff is far beyond what's considered legal >anywhere north of SC. Maybe it actually *does* rival the real deal. The >video clips on the site sure look amazing. > >I wonder what the MD Troopers do about this, 'cause I'm sure they've got >some kind of operation going. >-- >Jeff Conlin >'95 GPz1100 >Beltsville, MD >http://jeff.desi-9.com For our show this year, we purchased $2600 (560lbs) worth of fireworks from Kellner's in PA. :-) I'll try to find the pictures and video from our show last year. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62LQfB00272; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020702212635.9881.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: OT: F1 European GP Report To: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of you into F1 as well as bikes: http://www.xhost.org/EuroGP/index.html -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62MI5M01250; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:18:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2227EF.F2891CAC@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:23:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short References: <44.22312311.2a535b8e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/2002 11:03:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > Many other states have car tax. NC does > > Not the 6 years I lived there. Lucky you. I paid PP tax in Rowan, Pasquotank, and Camden County. Years from late `80s until `98 thereabouts. Since it is a county tax I'm sure not all counties collect. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62MIW701295; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:18:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D222810.C00B99@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:24:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: road maintenance $$$ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/2002 10:41:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > > > which has little to do with the educational goal of > > learning how to *think* in a logical manner. > > Think?? > You think any politician wants an electorate that can think? How would they > bullshit their way into office? Good point! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g62NNdt02867; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:23:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D22354E.10004@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:20:46 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Moto Crew , DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks References: <20020702182658.97527.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be illegal and someone should turn you in to the Dept of Justice for even considering this. Mark Kitchell wrote: > If anyone knows of a good place to buy real fireworks > (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD, please > email me off line. > > Thanks > > Mark > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g630pJV04495; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:51:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020702185717.66543.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: [DCAR6MotoCrew] OT: Fireworks To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020702143941.02284508@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a place in bunker hill, wv right off of I-81 has been advertising on the radio. the name escapes me. blue angel of pa., perhaps? --- Troutman wrote: > PHANTOM. > > 3-4 Hour wait on Sunday. We left. None in WVA or VA > that we could > find. Friend is going back tonight. > > At 02:34 PM 7/2/2002, Jeff Conlin wrote: > > >There is a place in Breezewood, PA that's reputed to be > the Wal-Mart of > >fireworks. Name escapes me, but it's not like it would > be hard to find > >there. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g631QLA05171; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:26:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01c301c22230$98703420$aae5f4d1@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "DC Cycles" References: <20020702182658.97527.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fireworks Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:26:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > If anyone knows of a good place to buy real fireworks > (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD, please > email me off line. Are you referring to things like M-80s? (celebrate the 4th and do light demolition work after :-)) I want some, too. it's been too many years since I had anything that made a serious "BANG" that didn't involve projectiles. Michael J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g632SP306431; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:28:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D22629C.28342548@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:34:04 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Moto Crew , DC Cycles Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks References: <20020702182658.97527.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > If anyone knows of a good place to buy real fireworks > (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD, please > email me off line. > > Thanks > > Mark Go south and sorta west, young man. Tennessee. Lawd have mercy, do those boys have kick-ass fireworks down thar! Starburst rockets that clearly invade commercial flight airspace! Morter rounds that tunder over the mountains! Shoot faar, even scared me an' I'm a fearless Harley rider! Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g632pdb06929; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:51:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703025132.81997.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:51:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D22354E.10004@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you Chuck!!! Finally someone who got my 'gist'! I am not looking for the 'legal' places in other states! Come on, there must be someone around here who stocks the good stuff. Geez, you can get any number of illegal items in this area...guns, drugs, non-taxed cigarettes...why not fireworks....... purely theoretical of course...... --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > That would be illegal and someone should turn you in > to the Dept of > Justice for even considering this. > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > If anyone knows of a good place to buy real > fireworks > > (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD, > please > > email me off line. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g633oBI07939; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:50:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00aa01c22240$0687a740$5f814e0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Seachange in Taiwan biking Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:16:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Not too often this happens -- Asian MC oversight (lifted from NYTimes 6/28). Yesterday 7/1, Taiwan, (20mill, but one of the world's largest motorcycle markets), in entering the World Trade Organization, lifted its private-registration 150cc limit. Since 1979, larger bikes were only for police and military. Because local mfrs have little bigbike experience, most major global mfrs are preparing to re-enter the T.. market -- mc's outsell cars 2-1. But MC mfgng is big in T..., and the industry has not shifted to China, as many have, giving it political influence. (China is trying to jump directly from bicycles to cars (to skip air pollution) and has discouraged establishment of large domestic mc industry). So T... setting up roadblocks for imports. Tailpipe emissions rules for over 250cc, external exhaust pipe temps (legburn problems in dense traffic), license and training, etc. Full story at http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/28/business/worldbusiness/28BIKE.html (may require signin). Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Hmmm. I see. My brothers, made in Nebraska by a Japanese co., will be imported into T..., which is supposed to be part of China, which isn't encouraging mc's. The real money here is in contract administration. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g6342j508196; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:02:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00ae01c22241$b1b2d120$5f814e0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Pffft saved headaches (quasimoto) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:28:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Had to share this -- In the last six months have twice used canned blowair cleaner to resurrect major electronic gear (not just keyboards), saving time, hassle, and repair costs. o The trusty HP laser printer started streaking. Being "mature", the regular cartridge/repairman/replace etc. thoughts drifted by. But it's not too far from an 8th floor window which lets flying/crawling neighbors in occasionally. Soooo -- thought to lift the hood, invert, shake, and give it a good pfffft. Yes! A small carcass or two scattered, and it's worked fine since. o Had, a week ago, roughly the same experience with an 8-year-old TV set. No picture or sound but the power light on. Uncovered it, Pffftttt'd it, and lo and behold -- back up. Just a lot of dust this time. Have cracked and blown out the desktop box a few times and there has always been a passel of dust. (Use a vacuum cleaner across from the spray to remove, rather than just redistribute, the dust.) Could work with any MC boards. Waiting for an opportunity. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Please don't pfffft in my ear. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g634ioP08972; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:44:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703044434.21174.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:44:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: dan , DAN KENNEY Cc: brown@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hell Dan, Sorry to hear about the ride, but at least you're okay. Are you going to get another bike? Steve YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63Bn7x15610; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:49:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Taxes in Virginia Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:47:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Key point-- which many forget.... you can't cut taxes without cutting out fraud, waste and abuse. There is nothing wrong with cutting taxes. My absolute favorite guv'ment scam was the lottery.... the ad campaign alluded that the money would go to libraries, books, schools... so it passed. Four years later when money was needed people began asking where that money was... the reply was something akin to "we didn't actually say the money WOULD be used for those items, we said it COULD be used..." it wasn't used. Oh and by the way... it was pre Allen, which would put it at Wilder, Baliles or Robb. What about the Para mutual betting profits? All these meta-tax/income plans by the guv'ment aren't producing... or maybe they are but are bolstering fluff which the past 5 administrations have included in their administrations. It didn't start with Allen and it won't stop with the current administration. . >>"Yeah - we have to >tighten the buckle quite a bit, but after seeing the day to day waste in VA >government, I'm pretty sure they can trim the fat in a lot of other ways...." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63CCqI16217; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:12:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D22EB9B.E565DD9A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:18:35 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruhl, George LT" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Taxes in Virginia References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TRUE!!! The sad truth is if the state doesn't assign lottary profits to specific budgetary items at the get-go, the $$$ get pissed away in the *general fund*. "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > Key point-- which many forget.... you can't cut taxes without cutting out > fraud, waste and abuse. There is nothing wrong with cutting taxes. My > absolute favorite guv'ment scam was the lottery.... the ad campaign alluded > that the money would go to libraries, books, schools... so it passed. Four > years later when money was needed people began asking where that money > was... the reply was something akin to "we didn't actually say the money > WOULD be used for those items, we said it COULD be used..." it wasn't used. > Oh and by the way... it was pre Allen, which would put it at Wilder, Baliles > or Robb. What about the Para mutual betting profits? All these > meta-tax/income plans by the guv'ment aren't producing... or maybe they are > but are bolstering fluff which the past 5 administrations have included in > their administrations. It didn't start with Allen and it won't stop with > the current administration. > > . > >>"Yeah - we have to > >tighten the buckle quite a bit, but after seeing the day to day waste in VA > >government, I'm pretty sure they can trim the fat in a lot of other > ways...." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63D35V17188; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:03:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D22F760.BCA5B7ED@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:08:48 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: economical motorcycles ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One reason often touted for owning/riding a scoot is that it's cheaper! I beg to differ, meaning I'm not convinced. Insurance? Some of the figures quoted by the frisky sportbike riders send me into checkbook shock! Being old and having a clean record keeps my full coverage on the Hawg down to ~$360/yr, but all my cage fees are less. Tires? Putting new reasonable quality shoes on my trucks could run around $700, but even rode hard and put away wet the dang things last like 50K miles. My Hawg front shoe has 23K and will surely make 25K, barring road trash damage. The rear is good for 15K, proven by actual test. Rough guess for a Hawg shoe replacement, $200 per. Figure at 50K I'd replace at least 5 tires = $1000. That doesn't include road trash incidents. Truck tires can be plugged, M/C tires replaced if one wishes to feel comfy. Nothing like a plug blowout at 70+ MPH to cause a serious anal cramp. Routine maintenance? Well, according to the Motor Company, I should turn the beast in every 10K for a total workover. I've neglected to do that, but those who do report tech-mech bills of around $600. Yee-ouchy! But that's a mere pittance compared to a Ducati valve adjustment. I do change oil and every 2500 miles. Not so on the cages, like every 7K or so. And cage tune ups? Give me a break, with EFI and mystery black box sparky things, maybe new plugs every 50K. One requires a timing belt every 80K, a quick $100 job. But the gas mileage! Oh yeah, that. My aerodynamically dirty Harley bagger gets sucky mileage. It can do more'n 40+ MPG at moderate highway speeds, but jackrabbiting around town and going balls to the wall on the super slabs, low 30s. Milady's cage beats those figures, and it's not lame, a turbocharged Lebaron. My trucks burn more fuel, but they're trucks. But overall, the average M/C has a slight MPG advantage. So why do I ride? Because it's FUN! Damn skippy! You gotta pay attention, and riding keeps my my old brain cells from getting dusty. Keeps the nerves and muscles in tune! Did I say muscles? Well, what muscles I have. And riding keeps the testosterone levels up. Nothing like a good ride to get the batteries recharged. "Hey, sweetie, I'm home." *EEK* It's not the economy, it's the thrills... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63D89M17380; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:08:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.103 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Re: OT: Fireworks Sender: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" From: "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:08:06 -0400 To: "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 13:08:06.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC1E1F20:01C22292] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g63D88017368 You and those providing advice on where to purchase incendiary devices are a menace to society. I have alerted the BATF and DOJ to this thread on DCC. I understand that they will be using Carnivore to round up all you hooligans. I have also recommended that you all be classified as enemy combatants, thrown in a military brig for indefinite duration, and denied access to legal counsel. cc: John Ashcroft Original Message: ----------------- From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:51:32 -0700 (PDT) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks Thank you Chuck!!! Finally someone who got my 'gist'! I am not looking for the 'legal' places in other states! Come on, there must be someone around here who stocks the good stuff. Geez, you can get any number of illegal items in this area...guns, drugs, non-taxed cigarettes...why not fireworks....... purely theoretical of course...... --- Chuck and Karen Pena wrote: > That would be illegal and someone should turn you in > to the Dept of > Justice for even considering this. > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > If anyone knows of a good place to buy real > fireworks > > (not sparklers and that stuff) in DC, VA or MD, > please > > email me off line. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63DHuT17637; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: economical motorcycles ? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3D22F760.BCA5B7ED@patriot.net> Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 13:16:56.0467 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7D29630:01C22293] Klr650's are pretty economical, along with many dual sports. Ive heard figures of 60mpg on these things. Change sprockets and chain every 30k, tires every 10k. Fun factor of motorcycles is priceless. Ricardo _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63DIXM17713; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:18:01 EDT Subject: Re: Pffft saved headaches (quasimoto) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/3/2002 12:03:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > In the last six months have twice used canned blowair cleaner to > resurrect major electronic gear (not just keyboards), saving time, hassle, > and repair costs. Welllll..... I once used one as flux/cleaner* on broken, oil covered, soldered terminal so that I could use a camp stove heated screwdriver to re-solder it at an overlook on the Blue Ridge Parkway. Yea, handy stuff. *This was in the old days when those cans were full of freon, I just turned the can over and spit freon all over it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63DR1X18062; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:27:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <146.10e8799a.2a545577@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:26:15 EDT Subject: Re: Taxes in Virginia To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/3/2002 8:14:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > TRUE!!! The sad truth is if the state doesn't assign lottery profits to > specific budgetary items at the get-go, the $$$ get pissed away in the * > general > fund*. And the truth is that even dedicated funds "locked in" by legislation are quickly raided for other uses. Motorcycle rider education funds are often provided by special added motorcycle registration costs (motorcyclists pay extra to register their bikes.) Those funds are constantly being raided for non motorcycle bullshit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63DiVo18464; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:44:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:31:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200207031331.g63DVid03209@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Taxes in Virginia > TRUE!!! The sad truth is if the state doesn't assign lottery profits to > specific budgetary items at the get-go, the $$$ get pissed away in the * > general > fund*. [Dave] 1st, the General Assembly has the purse strings in VA, and MD. Don't be so quick to lay the blame at the Governor's mansion (only). 2nd, if it can be legislated, it can be unlegislated with equal ease. EXCEPT for taxes. Taxes are to gubmint, what allowances are to kids. They both whine & cry or scheme & connive to get more, the difference is you withold allowance, you don't go to prison. And the truth is that even dedicated funds "locked in" by legislation are quickly raided for other uses. Motorcycle rider education funds are often provided by special added motorcycle registration costs (motorcyclists pay extra to register their bikes.) Those funds are constantly being raided for non motorcycle bullshit. [Dave] Because they craft the legislation to give control to some executive branch agency - like MVA/DMV . That's one problem with enabling legislation like that, or giving EPA carte blanche to enforce environmental clean up ; mondo corruption. Start taking away these exhorbitant perks, salaries & pensions, and you'll get the hucksters out of office, get in some more mainstream citizens (as opposed to the slick, car salesman, 'we know what's good for you' types) and there won't be so much budget trouble... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63DjJa18573; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:45:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5012143@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: economical motorcycles ? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:45:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If it's used to commute don't overlook the savings there. Time for starters if you can get HOV and more if you do a little lane splitting once you're in the city. Unlike car-pooling you don't have to wait for anyone else either. I either get free parking or usually pay $2.50 a day for the meters. The parking garage in my building is $14 a day, you might want to tip the guy, the cheapest garage I know of about 3 blocks away is $9.50 day. If I were to ride the Metro I'm looking at $6.50 a day and an extra 15 minutes each way. And yes, it is damn fun. Rich Seca II -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 9:09 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: economical motorcycles ? One reason often touted for owning/riding a scoot is that it's cheaper! I beg to differ, meaning I'm not convinced. Insurance? Some of the figures quoted by the frisky sportbike riders send me into checkbook shock! Being old and having a clean record keeps my full coverage on the Hawg down to ~$360/yr, but all my cage fees are less. Tires? Putting new reasonable quality shoes on my trucks could run around $700, but even rode hard and put away wet the dang things last like 50K miles. My Hawg front shoe has 23K and will surely make 25K, barring road trash damage. The rear is good for 15K, proven by actual test. Rough guess for a Hawg shoe replacement, $200 per. Figure at 50K I'd replace at least 5 tires = $1000. That doesn't include road trash incidents. Truck tires can be plugged, M/C tires replaced if one wishes to feel comfy. Nothing like a plug blowout at 70+ MPH to cause a serious anal cramp. Routine maintenance? Well, according to the Motor Company, I should turn the beast in every 10K for a total workover. I've neglected to do that, but those who do report tech-mech bills of around $600. Yee-ouchy! But that's a mere pittance compared to a Ducati valve adjustment. I do change oil and every 2500 miles. Not so on the cages, like every 7K or so. And cage tune ups? Give me a break, with EFI and mystery black box sparky things, maybe new plugs every 50K. One requires a timing belt every 80K, a quick $100 job. But the gas mileage! Oh yeah, that. My aerodynamically dirty Harley bagger gets sucky mileage. It can do more'n 40+ MPG at moderate highway speeds, but jackrabbiting around town and going balls to the wall on the super slabs, low 30s. Milady's cage beats those figures, and it's not lame, a turbocharged Lebaron. My trucks burn more fuel, but they're trucks. But overall, the average M/C has a slight MPG advantage. So why do I ride? Because it's FUN! Damn skippy! You gotta pay attention, and riding keeps my my old brain cells from getting dusty. Keeps the nerves and muscles in tune! Did I say muscles? Well, what muscles I have. And riding keeps the testosterone levels up. Nothing like a good ride to get the batteries recharged. "Hey, sweetie, I'm home." *EEK* It's not the economy, it's the thrills... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63Dql418842; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:52:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5012149@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Harpers Ferry trip-directions Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:53:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think someone asked for these... West on 7 to 28 south, Right on > Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), > right on King St (15n), get on Rt 7 bypass to Berlin > Turnpike (287s), right on Hirst Rd (this might be > called Pancoast Rd in some maps), right on Pucellville > Rd (611), left on Charles Town Pike (9w), right on > Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge > and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into > Harpers Ferry. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63Dsnj18917; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:54:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D230381.B5AB1C61@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:00:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: economical motorcycles ? References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5012143@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit True, time savings on HOV is cool. Is that your Seca II parked in the Crystal City free zone at Crystal Drive & 20th? I'm gonna park my scoot there when I'm in town, gave up my $90/mo garage pass. Bill Rich Hall wrote: > If it's used to commute don't overlook the savings there. Time for starters > if you can get HOV and more if you do a little lane splitting once you're in > the city. Unlike car-pooling you don't have to wait for anyone else either. > I either get free parking or usually pay $2.50 a day for the meters. The > parking garage in my building is $14 a day, you might want to tip the guy, > the cheapest garage I know of about 3 blocks away is $9.50 day. If I were > to ride the Metro I'm looking at $6.50 a day and an extra 15 minutes each > way. And yes, it is damn fun. > Rich > Seca II > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63DtRX19032; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip-directions Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:54:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c22299$3bd3eb80$3345080a@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5012149@SERVER1> > > Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), A typo...Old Ox Road is 606 ;) Sounds like a fun ride...might have to try it this weekend. Wes Hsu _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63Dvbr19209; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:57:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD501214C@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: economical motorcycles ? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:58:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" No, today I got the last free spot at 15th & G NW, right next to another blue '94 Seca II, it was like he saved it for me. If I'm not there, I'm at the meters at Vermont & H, that's the price I pay to come in at 9am. Rich Seca II From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:01 AM To: Rich Hall True, time savings on HOV is cool. Is that your Seca II parked in the Crystal City free zone at Crystal Drive & 20th? I'm gonna park my scoot there when I'm in town, gave up my $90/mo garage pass. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63Dwa119334; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:58:27 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: RE: economical motorcycles ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Klr650's are pretty economical, along with many dual sports. Ive heard >figures of 60mpg on these things. Change sprockets and chain every 30k, >tires every 10k. Fun factor of motorcycles is priceless. > >Ricardo http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm plans to have a $5K diesel-electric hybrid motorcycle that will get 180 mpg. A top speed of 80 mph might dissuade some, but that's groovy for me (whose 74' CB750 is probably not happy much above that anyway). 0-60 in 6 sec, 230 lbs, made in Pennsylvania. You can buy their Beta test now, I'm told, for a little bit more. Now, I'm wondering what the insurance will be on this. My insurance was partially based on engine cc. As a hybrid, this only has 219 ccs :) They are also working on their own 125 cc 'rocker crank diesel engine' which they claim should need an oil change every 60K miles? [they've taken down the rocker crank info while they're still working on it] I asked my insurance company[Erie] to start looking into it... BTW, after reading about summer textile jackets, I'm going to be trying the Brosh. The only jacket I own now, which was toasty warm at 7 F, will melt me today. I should get the Brosh air-shipped from Israel this week... Speaking of time savings on HOV - it's rumored they might add extra lanes all the way up to Frederick and make one an HOV lane. [or do nothing, or put more money in light rail, or...] Erick 74' CB750 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63ECOu19738; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: economical motorcycles ? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:11:08 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D22F760.BCA5B7ED@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D22F760.BCA5B7ED@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207031011080D.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 03 July 2002 09:08, William J. Huson wrote: > One reason often touted for owning/riding a scoot is that it's > cheaper! I beg to differ, meaning I'm not convinced. > It's bait and switch. Get them in and they may be hooked. > Insurance? Some of the figures quoted by the frisky sportbike riders > send me into checkbook shock! Being old and having a clean record keeps > my full coverage on the Hawg down to ~$360/yr, but all my cage fees are > less. > Yea but that's sport bikes for you :-) > Tires? Putting new reasonable quality shoes on my trucks could run > around $700, but even rode hard and put away wet the dang things last > like 50K miles. My Hawg front shoe has 23K and will surely make 25K, > barring road trash damage. The rear is good for 15K, proven by actual > test. Rough guess for a Hawg shoe replacement, $200 per. Figure at 50K > I'd replace at least 5 tires = $1000. That doesn't include road trash > incidents. Truck tires can be plugged, M/C tires replaced if one wishes > to feel comfy. Nothing like a plug blowout at 70+ MPH to cause a > serious anal cramp. > Yea, $230 for a rear tire replacement for a T-15 bit at speed insertion. I was informed after the fact that I could have got it cheaper. > Routine maintenance? Well, according to the Motor Company, I should > turn the beast in every 10K for a total workover. I've neglected to do > that, but those who do report tech-mech bills of around $600. > Yee-ouchy! But that's a mere pittance compared to a Ducati valve > adjustment. I do change oil and every 2500 miles. Not so on the cages, > like every 7K or so. And cage tune ups? Give me a break, with EFI and > mystery black box sparky things, maybe new plugs every 50K. One > requires a timing belt every 80K, a quick $100 job. > I've heard the $600 figure as well. I plan on doing the Stage II or Stage I Big Bore kit then. At $900 it's not that much more expensive and should take care of most of the problems then. And the way I'm going, I should be doing that sometime in September :-) It took me 6 months to get 10k on my last bike and that was during the winter months. You might also look at the time between changes as well. Many bikers do 15k in 2 years, about the same time as 50k in the truck. Yea yea, 15k is low and 50k is high. > So why do I ride? Because it's FUN! Damn skippy! You gotta pay > attention, and riding keeps my my old brain cells from getting dusty. > Keeps the nerves and muscles in tune! Did I say muscles? Well, what > muscles I have. And riding keeps the testosterone levels up. Nothing > like a good ride to get the batteries recharged. "Hey, sweetie, I'm > home." *EEK* > Heh, without the baggage (FXSTI), I'm getting a workout. My shoulders are sorest with other areas a little sore. I started going back to the gym to build up some of those muscles. The trip to Canada in two weeks should be interesting :-) > It's not the economy, it's the thrills... > Always. > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63EIgn20021; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Rich Hall , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: economical motorcycles ? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:17:23 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5012143@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD5012143@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207031017230E.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 03 July 2002 09:45, Rich Hall wrote: > If it's used to commute don't overlook the savings there. Time for > starters if you can get HOV and more if you do a little lane splitting once > you're in the city. Unlike car-pooling you don't have to wait for anyone > else either. I either get free parking or usually pay $2.50 a day for the > meters. The parking garage in my building is $14 a day, you might want to > tip the guy, the cheapest garage I know of about 3 blocks away is $9.50 > day. If I were to ride the Metro I'm looking at $6.50 a day and an extra > 15 minutes each way. And yes, it is damn fun. > Rich > Seca II Well it depends on the company you work for. Meter parking is 2 bucks a day for me (I leave at about 3pm), VRE is $157 per month. Gas milage being a bit better on the bike still runs about $25 per month just for commuting. Normal parking + gas would be about $100 bucks (plus or minus). My company reimburses $100 a month for my VRE ticket. Adding $10 per month for gas to the train station and back leaves the totals at $100 vs $67. Of course, the riding experience is the defining value. I told my wife that I'd be taking the train and riding when I felt like it. Funny that I've only been on the train twice in the past two weeks :-) Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63EOqM20235; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703142450.98310.qmail@web9701.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Harpers Ferry trip-directions To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich Hall (the snigglet guy?) wrote... > I think someone asked for these... > > West on 7 to 28 south, Right on > Old Ox Rd (621), right on Evergreen Mills Rd (621), > right on King St (15n), The bypass is not much fun at all, IMHO. Instead, may I suggest an alternative. If you go left on 15 for a few miles, you can turn right at "Lowest Price Gas" (Harmony Church Rd., aka Rt. 704). That will bring you out on Rt. 7 Business in Hamilton. Take a right, and then your first left, and you're back on 704. I don't know Hirst road, but 704 is great fun. You can then take Rt. 9 West, and go... > right on > Harpers Ferry Rd (671), left on 340W, cross the bridge > and take the first right on to Shenandoah St into > Harpers Ferry. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63G14f21938; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:02:29 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Steven Burrow cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short In-Reply-To: <20020703044434.21174.qmail@web10004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We'll see, if they total it, I will, if not, I guess I'll be back on it sometime. The YZF is being taken to the nearest Yamaha dealership as we speak for estimates. Apparently State Farm doesn't let adjusters make estimates on bikes. I will be back on something that likes to eat corners. Meanwhile I have the Harley to ride. Dan On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Steven Burrow wrote: > Hell Dan, > Sorry to hear about the ride, but at least you're > okay. Are you going to get another bike? > Steve > YZF600R > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GKS222359; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <19d.4ac405b.2a547e3b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:20:11 EDT Subject: Re: Taxes in Virginia To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/3/2002 9:45:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Those funds are > constantly being raided for non motorcycle bullshit. > > [Dave] Because they craft the legislation to give control to some > executive branch agency - like MVA/DMV . Not always. In every case I have heard of it has been the legislators themselves that did the raiding, they put the "lock" on, they can (and do) take the lock off. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GLPm22409; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:21:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , "dan" Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:21:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 16:20:24.0313 (UTC) FILETIME=[89029690:01C222AD] Get a KTM DUKE!!! Ricardo We'll see, if they total it, I will, if not, I guess I'll be back on it sometime. The YZF is being taken to the nearest Yamaha dealership as we speak for estimates. Apparently State Farm doesn't let adjusters make estimates on bikes. I will be back on something that likes to eat corners. Meanwhile I have the Harley to ride. Dan On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Steven Burrow wrote: > Hell Dan, > Sorry to hear about the ride, but at least you're > okay. Are you going to get another bike? > Steve > YZF600R > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GO0C22533; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:24:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <182.a8af713.2a547efc@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:23:24 EDT Subject: Re: economical motorcycles ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/3/2002 9:03:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > One reason often touted for owning/riding a scoot is that it's > cheaper! I beg to differ, meaning I'm not convinced. I tell people who say they want a bike because it is cheaper not to buy one because in the long run it is not. It is however a good excuse if you just want one. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GSoV22797; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:28:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <120.129fae85.2a54801f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:28:15 EDT Subject: Re: economical motorcycles ? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/3/2002 9:59:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, singley@XXXXXX writes: > Speaking of time savings on HOV - it's rumored they might add extra > lanes all the way up to Frederick and make one an HOV lane. [or do > nothing, > or put more money in light rail, or...] > Personally I like riding the rails. Of course it is best done on a dirt bike... BTDT. #:-} > John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GVh522947; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:31:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Ricardo Pontes cc: dccycles Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Get a KTM DUKE!!! > > Ricardo > > > Looks like a fun bike, but then I'd have to deal with people like you begging for test rides ;-) Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GZeA23135; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703163531.82267.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: dan , Steven Burrow Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you WANT it totalled, you should act quickly and tell the driver to take it to colemans/powersportspro in falls church. --- dan wrote: > We'll see, if they total it, I will, if not, I guess I'll > be back on it > sometime. The YZF is being taken to the nearest Yamaha > dealership as we > speak for estimates. Apparently State Farm doesn't let > adjusters make > estimates on bikes. I will be back on something that > likes to eat corners. > Meanwhile I have the Harley to ride. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GhC423421; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:43:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703164310.4741.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you can have your bike estimated/repaired wherever you want. pick the most expensive place on earth, and she's as good as totalled. might be worth the towing charges (if you are responsible for some of them) for a result like that... --- dan wrote: > I'm sure the tow charges from WV to Falls Curch would be > more than the > cost of the bike :-D > > Dan > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > if you WANT it totalled, you should act quickly and > tell > > the driver to take it to colemans/powersportspro in > falls > > church. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63GeuW23256; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:40:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short In-Reply-To: <20020703163531.82267.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm sure the tow charges from WV to Falls Curch would be more than the cost of the bike :-D Dan On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > if you WANT it totalled, you should act quickly and tell > the driver to take it to colemans/powersportspro in falls > church. > > > > --- dan wrote: > > We'll see, if they total it, I will, if not, I guess I'll > > be back on it > > sometime. The YZF is being taken to the nearest Yamaha > > dealership as we > > speak for estimates. Apparently State Farm doesn't let > > adjusters make > > estimates on bikes. I will be back on something that > > likes to eat corners. > > Meanwhile I have the Harley to ride. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63Hsgj24724; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703175435.7698.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: sanath? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020703164310.4741.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sanath, is your duc in one piece? i heard a rumor that would suggest otherwise.... i hope it was false -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63IMXn25266; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:22:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC/VA/MD folk again. (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A VFR lister is in ther area over the weekend and is looking for people to hang with. Unfortuantely I'm heading out of town myself. Hugh ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:03:03 -0400 From: Kevin Glick To: brazyd@XXXXXX, AJenks@XXXXXX, MLynch@XXXXXX Cc: VFR List Subject: DC/VA/MD folk again. Okay all I have a numbers for one or two of you and I'' use them dammit!!! I was basically wondering who's going to be around for the fourth. Maybe a mini lister gathering??? The friends I'm staying with have left for a ten day vacation and I really hate spending holidays in strange places alone. I'm hoping someone else in this group likes fireworks and has a good idead as to where one might go to catch a good view. Thanks, kev 917.593.1675 cell 703.528.2556 (temp-home) 202.226.1498 work desk 9-3pm Kevin Glick(kglick@XXXXXX)The Isle O'Manhattan(NYC) CCS/LRRS Expert#431 US Marshalls Track Safety Mgt Crew http://www.usmarshalls.org ||93'VFR750F-DANA||94'EX500(race) "Keep thy eye on the tach thine ears on the engine least thy whirlybits seek communion with the sun" John 4:50 ------------------------------------------------------------------ The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63J0WC26111; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703190029.5261.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: DC/VA/MD folk again. (fwd) To: hcaldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kglick@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am having a sportbike gathering at my place in Catlett. We are heading out for a ride about 9am, getting back mid day to BBQ, shoot and play with the quads. Then shooting fireworks when it gets dark. Kevin is more than welcome to come hang with us. No super squidly behaviour, a couple will be riding two up, so the pace will not be too fast. Todd W. --- hcaldwell wrote: > > A VFR lister is in ther area over the weekend and > is > looking for people to hang with. Unfortuantely I'm > heading out > of town myself. > > Hugh > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:03:03 -0400 > From: Kevin Glick > To: brazyd@XXXXXX, AJenks@XXXXXX, > MLynch@XXXXXX > Cc: VFR List > Subject: DC/VA/MD folk again. > > > > Okay all I have a numbers for one or two of you and > I'' use them > dammit!!! I was basically wondering who's going to > be around for > the fourth. Maybe a mini lister gathering??? The > friends I'm > staying with have left for a ten day vacation and I > really hate > spending holidays in strange places alone. I'm > hoping someone > else in this group likes fireworks and has a good > idead as to > where one might go to catch a good view. > > Thanks, > > kev > 917.593.1675 cell > 703.528.2556 (temp-home) > 202.226.1498 work desk 9-3pm > > Kevin Glick(kglick@XXXXXX)The Isle > O'Manhattan(NYC) > CCS/LRRS Expert#431 US Marshalls Track Safety Mgt > Crew > http://www.usmarshalls.org > ||93'VFR750F-DANA||94'EX500(race) > "Keep thy eye on the tach thine ears on the engine > least > thy whirlybits seek communion with the sun" John > 4:50 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive > information. > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63Jikj26947; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:44:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703194440.35795.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Re: OT: Fireworks To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii who else thinks they should start piss-testing the freaks down at the Think Tank??? --- "cvkgpena@XXXXXX" wrote: > You and those providing advice on where to purchase > incendiary devices are a menace to society. I have > alerted the BATF and DOJ to this thread on DCC. I > understand that they will be using Carnivore to round up > all you hooligans. I have also recommended that you all > be classified as enemy combatants, thrown in a military > brig for indefinite duration, and denied access to legal > counsel. > > cc: John Ashcroft > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Mark Kitchell markkitchell@XXXXXX > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:51:32 -0700 (PDT) > To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks > > > Thank you Chuck!!! Finally someone who got my 'gist'! > I am not looking for the 'legal' places in other > states! Come on, there must be someone around here > who stocks the good stuff. Geez, you can get any > number of illegal items in this area...guns, drugs, > non-taxed cigarettes...why not fireworks....... > > purely theoretical of course...... > > --- Chuck and Karen Pena > wrote: > > That would be illegal and someone should turn you in > > to the Dept of > > Justice for even considering this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63JvwM27375; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:57:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020703195756.98401.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Re: OT: Fireworks To: Tom Gimer , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <20020703194440.35795.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > who else thinks they should start piss-testing the > freaks > down at the Think Tank??? Yup, there's something wrong here, why just yesterday he was completely normal, - talking about shooting Hugh for getting rid of his guns so he can go ride in South America (they'll find out how many you have if you try to sell them) Now today he went completely off the other end of the pier by talking about turning folks in for having explosives. motocontent - When lighting/throwing firecrackers from my motorcycle, does the speed at which I ride affect the burn time on firecracker fuses. I know the weather is warm enough that the cigarette lighter can be used to light the firecracker, I'm just concerned that I won't have time to put the lighter back in it's holder, take the firecracker out of the binder clip and throw it before the fuse burns down. :-) Leon. 4th of July, celebrated with beer and explosives - what a great holiday. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63K4CH27573; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D235A14.FA69AD30@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:09:56 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: Tom Gimer , cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks References: <20020703195756.98401.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > --motocontent - When lighting/throwing firecrackers from > my motorcycle, does the speed at which I ride affect > the burn time on firecracker fuses. I know the > weather is warm enough that the cigarette lighter can > be used to light the firecracker, I'm just concerned > that I won't have time to put the lighter back in it's > holder, take the firecracker out of the binder clip > and throw it before the fuse burns down. :-) > Well, yes, moving air fans the flame and would have a slight effect on burn time. However, on a motorcycle you wouldn't have the *window* effect. That is, light off the string, giggle as you approcah the target in your cage, and TOSS! Oh, shit, forgot to roll the window down. BANGETY BANGETY BANGETY... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63KFxZ27910; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D235CD8.5DB1FDC@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:21:44 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "markkitchell@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks References: <20020703194440.35795.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gimer wrote: > who else thinks they should start piss-testing the freaks > down at the Think Tank??? I have, not a whiz-quiz, but I have a neat program called RATS - Remote Access Toxilogy Scan. RATS allows me to ping an internet user and find the rats... er, I mean run a tox scan on them. I pinged Mr Pena and he pegged the BS meter! Nonono, not the usual BS, this scan revealed his Brain Sarcasm content. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g63LQis29289; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:26:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , "Tom Gimer" Subject: RE: sanath? Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:26:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020703175435.7698.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2002 21:25:32.0263 (UTC) FILETIME=[29660F70:01C222D8] Tom, Its only a ducati. Now if it was a r1... Boy o boy!! Ricardo sanath, is your duc in one piece? i heard a rumor that would suggest otherwise.... i hope it was false -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g640T0V03104; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:29:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2395D6.3040309@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 20:24:54 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: OT: Fireworks References: <20020703194440.35795.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seeing as how we're in favor of decriminalization/legalization of drugs, I don't think it would really matter. %^) Tom Gimer wrote: > who else thinks they should start piss-testing the freaks > down at the Think Tank??? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g641N9W04087; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.200.12.23] From: "Sanath S" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sanath? Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 21:21:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 01:21:58.0121 (UTC) FILETIME=[30D43590:01C222F9] Sorry to say rumors are mostly true. Tossed the Ducati going around a turn, went in too fast, didnM-^Rt know the roads, my fault. Damage to me - Some scraps on the shoulder from the leather rubbing against skin, nothing broken, I am fine now. Damage to gear - Shoei XP-II helmet pretty much destroyed, glad I had that thing on probably saved me some major headaches :). Dainese jacket scraped up a little on the shoulder area, nothing major, saved me from some major road rash as I skid along the gravel on my back. The Dainese pants seem to have no visible damage. Excellent gear. Damage to bike - Landed on the right side. Right fairings scrapped up, right side of the tail section has a few scratches. Right turn signal is damaged. The right side mirrors broke off as they are designed to do. So no damage to the upper fairing by some luck. No mechanical damage to the bike. Ricardo took some good shots of the crash site and the bike, if anyone is interested let me know :) Picked up the bike and rode for another 150 miles. I have already bought a carbon fiber replacement tail section from Casoli Moto. Placed an order for original Ducati fairing. Going to get a vented billet clutch cover and while I am at it I am also going to get Termignoni carbon slip ons. So hopefully I will be rolling again in a week. Shit happens eh... Sanath >From: Tom Gimer >To: DC Cycles >Subject: sanath? >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:54:35 -0700 (PDT) > >sanath, is your duc in one piece? > >i heard a rumor that would suggest otherwise.... i hope it >was false > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >http://sbc.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g64E9aB16633; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:09:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: Dick Burn ride to West VA Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:09:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 14:08:32.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[475D8C10:01C22364] If anyone is intersted in doing a long ride this Saturday(July 6) to West Virginia, please meet me at the Sheetz in Haymarket. We will meet at the sheetz at 9:30am and then we will head west. No one is allowed to crash.. Its going to be a reasonable pace, nothing that the slowest rider cannot follow. The sheetz is at the corner of route 15 and route 55 in Haymarket, Va. If coming from D.C., take 66 west, exit on 15 south. The sheetz is at the corner. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g64G9uL18591; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:09:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000a01c22375$305667b0$589fd73f@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Richie K" , "dccycles" References: Subject: What I did on my summer vacation Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:09:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well boys and girls... It's up, and it's big. Two weeks on a bike in the Alps - chronologically (more or less) presented. 119 pages (one image per page). Photos, maps, comments. Almost 10 MB total. Recommend 1024x788 and broadband (I uploaded via 56K modem (zzzzz)) Controls (next, back, top) at lower right corner of pages. If you're using a modem, bring a snack and something to drink. http://home.earthlink.net/~mjordan812/alps2002.html Enjoy Michael J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g64Jw7G22277; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:58:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What I did on my summer vacation Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:56:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2002 19:56:51.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[F05DB440:01C22394] Absolutely beautiful. Thanks for sharing, and thank god for broadband! Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Michael Jordan" Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" To: "Richie K" , "dccycles" Subject: What I did on my summer vacation Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:09:33 -0400 Well boys and girls... It's up, and it's big. Two weeks on a bike in the Alps - chronologically (more or less) presented. 119 pages (one image per page). Photos, maps, comments. Almost 10 MB total. Recommend 1024x788 and broadband (I uploaded via 56K modem (zzzzz)) Controls (next, back, top) at lower right corner of pages. If you're using a modem, bring a snack and something to drink. http://home.earthlink.net/~mjordan812/alps2002.html Enjoy Michael J. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g64KFvG22737; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:15:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:17:34 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dick Burn ride to West VA In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > No one is allowed to crash.. Its going to be a reasonable pace, nothing that > the slowest rider cannot follow. > Damn, I guess I can't go, its just as well, the Hayabusa is in the shop getting some knobbies and a stage III turbo put on it for those off road excursions. I got a call back, the damage on the YZF is over $8k, the service manager said he stopped adding things to the list at 8k, figured that would be all the adjuster needed. Turns out the frame was bent. So I'm in the market for a newer bike with a good upright position, I'm leaning towards a VFR. I hear some of the Kawasakis have pretty relaxed seating, but for some reason, they just don't grab me. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g64KP7L22945; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:25:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020704161124.041227f0@winters.cc> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 16:18:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: What I did on my summer vacation In-Reply-To: <000a01c22375$305667b0$589fd73f@michael> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Man, great job with the photos, and great job picking the route! I'm beat just looking at the pictures! What was the final mileage? I recongnize Splugen; Stelvio looks even more outrageous, tho. Got a URL for the rental place? ;-) /// Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g64MeJl25103; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:40:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002001c223ab$c1510f50$2e3c9d40@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020704161124.041227f0@winters.cc> Subject: Re: What I did on my summer vacation Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:40:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Man, great job with the photos, and great job picking the route! I'm beat > just looking at the pictures! Thanks - the route just sorta happened as I was doing it. I had a few places that I wanted to hit, and essentially mapped out the back roads between them and routing over as many passes as I could find. Stopped for the night when I got tired of riding for the day. The only hotel reservation I had was for the last night in Milano (turned the bike Tuesday evening and was wheels up about Noon Wednesday) > What was the final mileage? About 3,500 km, most of it in 2nd & 3rd gear. It translates out to about 6-8 hours per day in the saddle. > I recongnize Splugen; Stelvio looks even more outrageous, tho. Splugen was interesting - did my usual "I can wait to get gas" bit and almost didn't find any. The gas station (note the use of the singular) in Splugen was bypassed by road construction, and I missed (the first two tries, anyway) the detour sign pointing to it. Found it on the third and stuffed my last 20 Francs into the tank. Heigh Ho over the Splugen and down into 100+ degree heat to turn the bike in. Stelvio was great - a little city at the top. The road down to the east was blocked off by wall to wall jersey barriers. Gonna have to go back... > Got a URL for the rental place? ;-) http://www.biancoblu.com Renato did very well, and went that little extra bit above and beyond the call of duty. Starting with a free upgrade from an F650 G/S to an R1150 G/S (seems that the previous renter of the F650 that I had reserved had an altercation with something solid :-( ). Michael _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g653DWq29531; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:13:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <42.29ac5d44.2a5668ce@aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:13:18 EDT Subject: Re: Yamaha RD350 Parts To: wscott@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 I race a bunch of different Yamahas including an RD. I have quite a few parts including complete engines, but if you seized and didn't harm the crank all you need is a piston, rings, a small end bearing a rebore, Yamabond, and a cylinder base gasket. It's probably a good idea to get the same kind of piston for the seized cylinder as you have in the good cylinder, but not essential. I've even raced with a cast piston on one side and a forged piston (Wiseco) on the other on my RD racebike. If the seizure isn't too bad, you can probably take any aluminum that has melted on the cylinder off with muriatic acid, use some steel wool on the cylinder to smooth it out, and use the same size piston without a rebore. You can get all you need from Brad Heiter at heiter@XXXXXX. He is much less expensive and more knowledgeable than the usual culprits, Motocarrera and Pro-Flo. Fred _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g6550Ln01359; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:00:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 00:58:15 -0400 Subject: Tattoo question (Non MC) From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Folks, A friend of mine ( female-non rider) has decided she wants to get a tattoo. Any experience in the DC metro area--places to go to or stay away from? Bob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65AvWZ06961; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:57:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705065413.02af6ec0@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ltrainpsu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 06:56:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: Re: Tattoo question (Non MC) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jinxproof does excellent work. They're in Georgetown, in DC. No phone # for you, though, sorry. Larry At 12:58 AM 07/05/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Folks, > >A friend of mine ( female-non rider) has decided she wants to get a tattoo. >Any experience in the DC metro area--places to go to or stay away from? > >Bob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65CZiS08589; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:35:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 5 Jul 2002 12:35:32 GMT Message-ID: <000801c22422$6d33e240$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Bob McKeithen" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: Tattoo question (Non MC) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:49:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > Folks, > > A friend of mine ( female-non rider) has decided she wants to get a tattoo. > Any experience in the DC metro area--places to go to or stay away from? > > Bob One of the best places is in manassas and it's called exposed temptations. stay away from rick's in manassas. If you go to exposed, tell her to ask for scott and tell him i sent you. He'll take good care of her. Laura _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65DGUx09518; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:16:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:16:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200207050916.AA733741234@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: help with 2-stroke compression X-Mailer: Can any one help me with questions about a 2-stroke engine's compresssion? 1. What should the compression be? For the 1974 Yamaha TY250 Trials bike in question, I've heard 150 psi is good, 120 psi is minimum usable. The bike I'm looking at has a reported 110 psi compression after a rebuild. It also has no leakdown - holding 110 psi for 3 minutes. 2. How do you test compression in a 2-stroke engine? I just do it the same as I have for 4-strokes: screw in the compression gauge and kick the engine over until the gauge reading doesn't increase any more. Is that right? many thanks, Chris Norloff P.S. I don't think the crankcase has been checked for air leaks, this is just the cylinder head compression. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65DUdB09911; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020705133036.33989.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Dick Burn ride to West VA To: Ricardo Pontes , dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii is clamydia going to be shared during this ride? if not, isn't "ass burn" more appropriate? perhaps we'll see you in wv, ricardo (if you'll be on 250 or 220 or 33).... --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > > If anyone is intersted in doing a long ride this > Saturday(July 6) to West > Virginia, please meet me at the Sheetz in Haymarket. > > We will meet at the sheetz at 9:30am and then we will > head west. > > No one is allowed to crash.. Its going to be a reasonable > pace, nothing that > the slowest rider cannot follow. > > The sheetz is at the corner of route 15 and route 55 in > Haymarket, Va. > > If coming from D.C., take 66 west, exit on 15 south. The > sheetz is at the > corner. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65DZxm10120; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:35:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D25A0B5.5010700@elever.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 09:35:49 -0400 From: Will Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: summer vacation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice! Thats the best online photo album I've ever seen. Both the scenery and the photography are nothing short of spectacular. Will 99 VFR red Micron >From: "Michael Jordan" >To: "Richie K" , "dccycles" >Subject: What I did on my summer vacation >Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:09:33 -0400 > >Well boys and girls... > >It's up, and it's big. Two weeks on a bike in the Alps - chronologically >(more or less) presented. > >119 pages (one image per page). Photos, maps, comments. Almost 10 MB total. > >Recommend 1024x788 and broadband (I uploaded via 56K modem (zzzzz)) > >Controls (next, back, top) at lower right corner of pages. > >If you're using a modem, bring a snack and something to drink. > >http://home.earthlink.net/~mjordan812/alps2002.html > >Enjoy > >Michael J. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65ELF711024; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:20:56 -0400 From: Cliff Zigmond Subject: Re: Quarters To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001f01c2242f$2dcc6cf0$6801a8c0@cliffzig> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <02070213573402.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Word of warning, make sure there are no meter maids around if you do this. I heard of a woman in Texas who used to go around filling peoples meters. Well, it was frowned upon, and she was arrested. Something about obstruction of justice or some crap like that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Schelin" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Quarters > I just wanted to say thanks to whomever put the buck in the meter for me > yesterday. Assuming they're on the list. > > A 30 minute meeting dragged on to 2 hours, about an hour past meter expiring. > I was panicing and headed over to the bike expecting to see a ticket and > found 3 hours and 30 minutes left on the meter. > > *whew* > > And then, when I tried to leave, I got pulled into the staff meeting and > spent another hour expecting that my luck couldn't last. > > Fortunately the meter lady didn't come by. > > Today I was able to put a couple of quarters in for another biker in the same > lot. > > Anyways, if you're listening; thanks. > > I outta here. "See" you all tomorrow. > > Carl > -- > Carl Schelin > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65FEPj12017; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Cliff Zigmond'" , "'Carl Schelin'" , Subject: RE: Quarters Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:05:17 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c2242d$0e7e9460$bd82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <001f01c2242f$2dcc6cf0$6801a8c0@cliffzig> Importance: Normal Cliff cautioned - Word of warning, make sure there are no meter maids around if you do this. I heard of a woman in Texas who used to go around filling peoples meters. Well, it was frowned upon, and she was arrested. Something about obstruction of justice or some crap like that. [Dave] There was a person that actually went to court in Cincinnati, OH, and IIRC was convicted of some petty crime. But this person was harassing the metermaids, by following her, and as soon as she got the ticket book out, would immediately put coins in the meter. There's some fellow who was doing this in DC as well, he even got on the news a few years back. IIRC, the meter maids will call the police, & have the offender cuffed & stuffed. Don't EVER interfere with HIZZONER'S meter maid money ! ! ! Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65FUnN12449; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:30:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 11:27:04 -0400 Subject: Re: help with 2-stroke compression To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <200207050916.AA733741234@mail.toward.com> In-Reply-To: <200207050916.AA733741234@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: >Can any one help me with questions about a 2-stroke engine's compresssion? > >1. What should the compression be? >For the 1974 Yamaha TY250 Trials bike in question, I've heard 150 psi is >good, 120 psi is minimum usable. The bike I'm looking at has a reported >110 psi compression after a rebuild. It also has no leakdown - holding >110 psi for 3 minutes. 110 is probably ok---see (and listen---loose 2-stroke pistons rattle) how the bike runs. Compression testers vary (I've got three that give substantially different readings) and depend on how tightly they are screwed in. Carbon buildup in 2-strokes may also be significant. So is engine temperature. > > >2. How do you test compression in a 2-stroke engine? >I just do it the same as I have for 4-strokes: screw in the compression >gauge and kick the engine over until the gauge reading doesn't increase >any more. Is that right? As far as I know, yes. > >many thanks, >Chris Norloff > > >P.S. I don't think the crankcase has been checked for air leaks, this is >just the cylinder head compression. If the cylinder intake and exhaust were blocked off for this test (a pain), then it includes the crankcase seals. Otherwise, no. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65G3AA13032; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:03:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D25C487.73BC737F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:08:39 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: help with 2-stroke compression References: <200207050916.AA733741234@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Can any one help me with questions about a 2-stroke engine's compresssion? > > 1. What should the compression be? > For the 1974 Yamaha TY250 Trials bike in question, I've heard 150 psi is good, 120 psi is minimum usable. The bike I'm looking at has a reported 110 psi compression after a rebuild. It also has no leakdown - holding 110 psi for 3 minutes. Methinks compression ratio would affect the psi. My 2-stroke 15ss outboard racing engines were milled to the minimum combustion chamber volume and punched out 195 psi. The A motors, no milling/grinding allowed did about 135/140 after breakin with comp ratio of 8:1. > > 2. How do you test compression in a 2-stroke engine? > I just do it the same as I have for 4-strokes: screw in the compression gauge and kick the engine over until the gauge reading doesn't increase any more. Is that right? Aren't you supposed to open the throttle? I always do. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65G5Wc13237; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D25C522.C32F4948@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:11:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob McKeithen CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Tattoo question (Non MC) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob McKeithen wrote: > Folks, > > A friend of mine ( female-non rider) has decided she wants to get a tattoo. > Any experience in the DC metro area--places to go to or stay away from? > > Bob Art considerations aside, make sure the tattoo joint cleans and autoclaves the needles, or uses disposable needles from factory sealed containers. Probably the law, but I'd still check to make sure they're obeying the law RE health. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65Ge4w13925; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:40:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:39:16 EDT Subject: Re: help with 2-stroke compression To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/5/2002 9:17:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > P.S. I don't think the crankcase has been checked for air leaks, this is > just the cylinder head compression. > Trials huh! NEAT! I would love to have a trials bike from that era. I remember watching trials at VMD a couple of years back, If anyone had left a bike unattended.... If it holds 110psi it is probably OK, I have seen a lot lower run just fine and a trials bike tends to run lower compression anyhow. (At least they did, Honda trials bikes of the same era had _concave_ pistons. Not to mention the rings cannot be sealed yet if it was _just_ rebuilt. If you can I would suggest checking the bottom end compression, a leak there can cause all kinds of problems. (I _may_ still have my crankcase pressure test stuff, it may still work, and it may fit your bike.) At least check the bottom end seal behind the rotor to look for obvious leaking (oil drizzling down from the seal.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65HGk114735; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:16:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000d01c22447$7488de40$993a2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: What I did on my summer vacation Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:14:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Michael Jordan" To: "Richie K" , "dccycles" Subject: What I did on my summer vacation Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:09:33 -0400 Well boys and girls... It's up, and it's big. Two weeks on a bike in the Alps - chronologically (more or less) presented. 119 pages (one image per page). Photos, maps, comments. Almost 10 MB total. Recommend 1024x788 and broadband (I uploaded via 56K modem (zzzzz)) Controls (next, back, top) at lower right corner of pages. If you're using a modem, bring a snack and something to drink. http://home.earthlink.net/~mjordan812/alps2002.html Enjoy ------------------------------------------------------------------- Fabulous! I scrolled through the whole thing at 56K. That's how much I liked it. I think I am definitely headed to the Italian Alps soon. I've been in the Southern German alps before, but that was by car. I think Italy has it beat. Thanks Mike. Todd (Springfield, VA) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65HRxU15034; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:27:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:27:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200207051327.AA787415218@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Vintage Trials [was: Re: help with 2-stroke compression X-Mailer: Vintage Trials is WAY fun. Vintage in this case means bikes built in the 70's - so that's twin shock, air cooled, drum brake models. Honda, Yamaha, Bultaco, Ossa, Montessa and some CanAm models. You can get a running bike for $700-800, with nice ones in the $1400+ range. A helmet and boots is all you really need for riding gear (well, pants and a shirt are appreciated). Trials competitions usually have 3 lines through each section, with the 3-line the easiest. You lose a point everytime you touch a foot down, and lose 5 points for stopping, stalling, or falling over. The MidAtlantic Vintage Trials series has events from 1 to 5 hr. from the Washington, DC, area. http://mavt.homestead.com/mavt.html The local group is the Potomac Vintage Riders (which includes vintage Trials, motorcross, and road riders). http://www.potomacvintageriders.com Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:39:16 EDT >In a message dated 7/5/2002 9:17:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > >> P.S. I don't think the crankcase has been checked for air leaks, this is >> just the cylinder head compression. >> > >Trials huh! NEAT! I would love to have a trials bike from that era. I >remember watching trials at VMD a couple of years back, If anyone had left a >bike unattended.... > >If it holds 110psi it is probably OK, I have seen a lot lower run just fine >and a trials bike tends to run lower compression anyhow. (At least they did, >Honda trials bikes of the same era had _concave_ pistons. Not to mention the >rings cannot be sealed yet if it was _just_ rebuilt. > >If you can I would suggest checking the bottom end compression, a leak there >can cause all kinds of problems. (I _may_ still have my crankcase pressure >test stuff, it may still work, and it may fit your bike.) At least check the >bottom end seal behind the rotor to look for obvious leaking (oil drizzling >down from the seal.) > > > >John Walters (Long John) >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX >Up near DC > >Honda ST1100X Pan European > (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European > is now necessary {and I still like it.}) >BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles >Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65ITCu16234; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:29:06 -0400 Subject: Re: help with 2-stroke compression To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <11b.131c3883.2a572c0b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <11b.131c3883.2a572c0b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit garcia oliver writes: > > >PenguinBiker@XXXXXX found an error I made. I had said in reference to 2-stroke leakdown test: > > >> If the cylinder intake and exhaust were blocked off for this test (a >> pain), then it includes the crankcase seals. Otherwise, no. >> > He pointed out: > > >Umm. No. In fact there would be no reading at all. You do have to plug >the >intake and exhaust to do the test, but then you have to pump up the >pressure >from an outside source. Quite right. I was semi-thinking "pump up to 110 psi..." but of course that's not what was done and is way too high for crank seals anyhow. Correction appreciated. garcia > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65Jibs17632; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:44:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001901c2245c$cf482c40$25531840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Hey you racer-type people... Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:46:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, I'm looking to get a "sticker kit" for a friend. Now, motorcross types can buy those kits that have about 100 "sponsor" stickers, but I've yet to see one for road racing. I stopped by Cycles USA this morning on the way to visit said friend in the hospital, but the stone cold smokin' hottie* behind the counter couldn't really help (besides making my mouth dry and palms sweat), she just pointed me to a Parts Unlimited catalog with a 6-pack of AMA Pro Racing stickers. Not what I need. What say you list? Where can I get a whole buncha' Alpinestars, Silkolene, Dunlop, Gaerne, Braking, Barnett, Tsubaki, NGK, EBC, yada yada yada stickers? P.S. - this is for a friend who got hit by a train about 5 weeks ago, he had brain surgery, had a part of his skull removed, and has to wear a helmet during re-hab until they can fit him for a prosthetic plate. We just want to decorate the stupid ugly-ass helmet. TIA, guys. Howard J. Koontz * I hear she rides a Harley too! 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id g65K37m00318; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:03:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020705160440.012de170@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:04:43 -0700 To: From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: help with 2-stroke compression Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:16 AM 7/5/02 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >Can any one help me with questions about a 2-stroke engine's compresssion? Using clyinder compression on a two stroke to determine engine condition is a little more complex than on a four stroke. With a four stoke the most accurate way is to statically mearsure the compression ratio and theoritical maxium compression with oil, then compare that to your dynamic or "cranking" compression. With the cams out you use a graduated clyinder connected to a adapter that threads into the spark plug and fill the clinder with oil at bottom dead center (BDC) and then measure the volume of oil. Next turn the motor over to top dead center (TDC) then measure the volume of oil. The delta is your compression ratio, from which you can calculate the theorical maxium compression in units of PSI. Re-assemble the engine and use a compression tester to measure the compression and compare to your max. Remember to use a accurate gauge. With a two stoke you can't do this because the static compression ratio varies wildly from the dynamic or cranking compression ratio. This is one reason why most 2 stokes have such low compression values compared to four stokes. The supercharing effect of the decending piston compressing the intake charge boosts the transfere. In effect the 2 stoke engine, like the turbo or mechanically superchaged engine, has to run a lower compressio ratio to prevent detonation. More importantly it is impossibe to use oil to measure the combustion chamber volume at TDC vs clyinder volume at BDC because the oil will run out the transfere ports at BDC. Most tuners will use relative values based on experience. If you don't have that experience I would perform a leak down test with a leak down tester. While this test is relative, it can provide meaningful data with a new to you engine. If you don't have access to a leak down tester, the compression test is better than nothing. If the motor is stock and you have a 110 PSI (throttle open or closed, it makes a difference, always measure throttle open, engine warm) you are probably fine. Most honda's 2 smokes of that vintage that I worked on would have less than 135psi. I would take the head off and look at the bore. Aside from the fact that it will only take about five minutes to pull the head, it is a good idea to look for scoring. Another thing to check is crankcase sealing with older engines. The seals go with age. Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g671VHpn001619; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:31:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g671V3BX001600; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 21:31:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Really-To: Message-Id: <4.2.2.20020706212539.00d9ae30@biga.pop.crosslink.net> X-Sender: biga@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 21:30:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Andrew Culpepper Subject: MoFo sighting? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Was that Tom G. and John that I saw taking a break on the south side of Petersburg, WV this afternoon? It was a beautiful day for a ride :-) Andrew C. '90 EX500 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67CaApn016762; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:36:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67Ca7Xm016746; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:36:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 08:35:29 EDT Subject: Battletrax Pictures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 See the latest from Harrisburg, PA here: http://www.dcbrag.org/battletrx.htm http://www.battletrax.com/Schedule.html _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67DLMpn017083; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:21:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67DLML5017077; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 09:21:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020707132116.57709.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MoFo sighting? To: Andrew Culpepper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020706212539.00d9ae30@biga.pop.crosslink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii most probably (john kozyn and i--two ducs (1 yellow, 1 red)). we stopped in south petersburg at the citgo on 220 and rested for a while there. we also stopped for some time on 28n south of circleville by the creek and again on 55e east of strasburg. yes, a beautiful day.... we did the following route, starting from marshall, va at 0830: 691 and some other local roads to 647; 647 to 688; 688 to 635; 635 to 522; 522 to 211; 211 to 42s; 42s to 33w; 33w to 220s; 220s to 250w; 250w to 28n; 28n to 33e; 33e to 220n; 220n to 55e. kinda surprised that we didn't run into ricardo and his group. hope everybody who got out had a safe, enjoyable ride.... --- Andrew Culpepper wrote: > Was that Tom G. and John that I saw taking a break on the > south side of > Petersburg, WV this afternoon? > > It was a beautiful day for a ride :-) > > Andrew C. > '90 EX500 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67FBhpn017700; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:11:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67FBgJM017686; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:11:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:11:28 EDT Subject: Re: summer vacation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/5/2002 8:23:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > >Unfortunately, I can't place any claim to the quality of the scenery - > >that's somebody else's department ;-) The heck you cannot! Its one thing to have great scenery to shoot at, quite another to actually get it on film (or ccd.) Scenery is very hard to do right. > > > >It was MUCH better in person, though... Always is. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67FRfpn017941; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:27:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67FRexO017936; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:27:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: MoFo sighting? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:27:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20020707132116.57709.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2002 15:26:32.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC6D9740:01C225CA] Tom, We had a bit of trouble right in the beginning. One of the riders crashed and was taken to the hospital by Helicopter. After that, it was just a very depressing day. Ricardo http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=86166&goto=newpost kinda surprised that we didn't run into ricardo and his group. hope everybody who got out had a safe, enjoyable ride.... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67J7upn019108; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:07:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67J7tFc019097; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:07:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926BF@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: MoFo sighting? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:08:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How long of a trip was that? From: Tom Gimer yes, a beautiful day.... we did the following route, starting from marshall, va at 0830: 691 and some other local roads to 647; 647 to 688; 688 to 635; 635 to 522; 522 to 211; 211 to 42s; 42s to 33w; 33w to 220s; 220s to 250w; 250w to 28n; 28n to 33e; 33e to 220n; 220n to 55e. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67JJspn019361; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:19:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67JJrGO019355; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:19:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <7d9ef9e7f00246a9bbf71360649f9bc7.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Battletrax Pictures Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:19:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g67JJqpn019343 JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX wrote: > See the latest from Harrisburg, PA here: > > http://www.dcbrag.org/battletrx.htm So, did the xr100 win? That almost seems like cheating... :) Kirk _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67KUOpn019914; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:30:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67KUMuB019899; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:30:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020707203012.10283.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 13:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: MoFo sighting? To: Rich Hall , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50926BF@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i believe a little over 450 for the day.... yes, an aftermarket seat is recommended.... :) --- Rich Hall wrote: > How long of a trip was that? > > > From: Tom Gimer > > > yes, a beautiful day.... we did the following route, > starting from marshall, va at 0830: > > 691 and some other local roads to 647; 647 to 688; 688 to > 635; 635 to 522; 522 to 211; 211 to 42s; 42s to 33w; 33w > to > 220s; 220s to 250w; 250w to 28n; 28n to 33e; 33e to 220n; > 220n to 55e. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g67Nc3pn020986; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:38:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g67Nc0vD020970; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:38:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <011201c2260f$45d2e810$2e3c9d40@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: <20020707203012.10283.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Summer vacation redux Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 19:37:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Well, I didn't like chopping the slide show short with low quality jpegs to live within the 10mb space that Earthlink provides. Soooo I went and got myself more space. The full length (about 40 or so more pics) better quality version is available at: http://www.teamjordan.org/alps2002.html Some time in the near future I'll have 1024 x 768 jpegs on the site for download for anyone who wants 'em. Ciao Michael _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g680O0pn021410; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:24:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g680O0Ll021405; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Dc-Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Norton owner in Petworth, DC??? Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:32:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2261f$50e8c930$cb48a6ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hi All, Rumor has it there is a guy who lives on/near Sherman Ave., NW, who is a serious Norton collector and mechanic. I do not know if he is on the DC-Cycles list, but if anyone knows who this gentleman is, please let me know! I am looking for someone close to my house who can advise/help with repairs on my BSA. (I know it's not exactly the same thing but I hear the engines are very close) Also, anyone in the Columbia Heights/Petworth/Adams Morgan etc area who can help with BSA repairs, please email me off list. While I certainly will not turn down "donated time", I am not expecting free work on the bike, and I do not mind paying. But I am afraid of exhausting the goodwill of my current mechanic-teacher, and do not have the time to take the bike to the suburbs every weekend. Additionally, I want to learn as much as I can about working on this bike, and most mechanics either won't show you what they are doing, or aren't working when I am free. I do have an off-street carport to work in and most tools, if that makes a difference. Thanks in advance! -patti '95 Yamaha Virago '69 BSA Firebird _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g681ctNc001492; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:38:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g681cnKP001481; Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:38:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: JoseQuinones3@XXXXXX Message-ID: <137.10b30f67.2a5a459d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:32:13 EDT Subject: Re: Battletrax Pictures To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 121 Kirk, Yes, Cory Texter on his XR kicked our butts again, he's on a different planet! It helps to have a small light bike, but he's really good. If I remember correctly he was doing lap times in the 36 second range. Most everybody else was in the 39-41+ second range. The way they run it there are categories for all types of bikes. So you are only really competing against him for the Top Time of the Day. The rest of the time you are with your peers (Cruisers, Sportbikes, Females, Single Cylinders, dirt bike/super motard, etc.) They also have an "Expert" class for past winners or people with racing licenses. When we do the Battletraxes at Frederick a BUNCH of scooters show up, they go pretty fast and have a great time. The next one at Frederick will be Sept. 22 at Harry Grove Stadium. The BMW guys/gals show up in force too. It's a lot of fun, definetly worth trying out. Jose _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g685hENc002766; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:43:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g685hDgd002755; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 01:43:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020708013817.02f01380@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 01:40:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: MC Killed in MD Sunday afternoon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "Kirby Vandegriek" - sounds familiar ... lister? Another left turn - I didn't see him officer - incident. Sunday July 07 01:21 PM EDT Motorcyclist Killed in Maryland Crash A 39-year-old man is dead after his motorcycle was hit by a car in Montgomery Village. The incident happened shortly after 8 a.m. Saturday morning at the intersection of Wightman and Bell Bluff Roads. Montgomery County police say the motorcycle and a Toyota were traveling in opposite directions on Wightman Road when the driver of the Toyota made a left turn in front of the motorcycle. Investigators say 39-year-old Kirby Vandegriek was thrown from the motorcycle as he tried to swerve out of the way. He died at Shock Trauma in Baltimore. The driver of the Toyota was not seriously injured. Police say the investigation is not complete and charges are pending. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68A9BNc004376; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:09:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68A98Uh004357; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:09:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020708100853.27511.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 03:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: MC Killed in MD Sunday afternoon To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020708013817.02f01380@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i knew kirby. he worked at battleys and was an avid, avid rider. he was a talker--always spent the additional time helping people buy accessories. rode a green kawi zrx1100. a real shame. --- Troutman wrote: > "Kirby Vandegriek" - sounds familiar ... lister? Another > left turn - I > didn't see him officer - incident. > > Sunday July 07 01:21 PM EDT > > Motorcyclist Killed in Maryland Crash > > A 39-year-old man is dead after his motorcycle was hit by > a car in > Montgomery Village. > > The incident happened shortly after 8 a.m. Saturday > morning at the > intersection of Wightman and Bell Bluff Roads. > Montgomery County police say the motorcycle and a Toyota > were traveling in > opposite directions on Wightman Road when the driver of > the Toyota made a > left turn in front of the motorcycle. > > Investigators say 39-year-old Kirby Vandegriek was thrown > from the > motorcycle as he tried to swerve out of the way. He died > at Shock Trauma in > Baltimore. The driver of the Toyota was not seriously > injured. > > Police say the investigation is not complete and charges > are pending. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68BxLNc005023; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:59:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68BxK4A005015; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:59:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MC Killed in MD Sunday afternoon Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:59:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain I knew Kirby he was my MSF instructor I will miss him he gave me a lot of good advice and was always willing to help anyone out. Anyone know when/where the services are? Thanks Art521 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:09 AM To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Killed in MD Sunday afternoon i knew kirby. he worked at battleys and was an avid, avid rider. he was a talker--always spent the additional time helping people buy accessories. rode a green kawi zrx1100. a real shame. --- Troutman wrote: > "Kirby Vandegriek" - sounds familiar ... lister? Another > left turn - I > didn't see him officer - incident. > > Sunday July 07 01:21 PM EDT > > Motorcyclist Killed in Maryland Crash > > A 39-year-old man is dead after his motorcycle was hit by > a car in > Montgomery Village. > > The incident happened shortly after 8 a.m. Saturday > morning at the > intersection of Wightman and Bell Bluff Roads. > Montgomery County police say the motorcycle and a Toyota > were traveling in > opposite directions on Wightman Road when the driver of > the Toyota made a > left turn in front of the motorcycle. > > Investigators say 39-year-old Kirby Vandegriek was thrown > from the > motorcycle as he tried to swerve out of the way. He died > at Shock Trauma in > Baltimore. The driver of the Toyota was not seriously > injured. > > Police say the investigation is not complete and charges > are pending. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68CHTNc005351; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:17:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68CHTpf005346; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:17:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: ricardo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MoFo sighting? Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 08:16:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 12:16:17.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[42F4E840:01C22679] OMG, how is the person doing!? What happened!? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "Ricardo Pontes" >To: "dccycles" >Subject: RE: MoFo sighting? >Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:27:26 -0400 > > >Tom, > >We had a bit of trouble right in the beginning. One of the riders crashed >and was taken to the hospital by Helicopter. After that, it was just a very >depressing day. > >Ricardo > >http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=86166&goto=newpost > > >kinda surprised that we didn't run into ricardo and his >group. hope everybody who got out had a safe, enjoyable >ride.... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68CU2Nc005638; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:30:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68CU1HA005631; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:30:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: MoFo sighting? Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:29:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 12:28:52.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[05071BA0:01C2267B] If you follow the link i provided, Sptbike(bob) goes into depth on the details. But no one knows why he crashed, there are photos of the place where he went down, and some of him and the ambulance, helicopter on the link. But i passed by there and i just dont understand why he fell. He cannot remember anything. I think the Doctors said he had a "bruised brain". No broken bones. Althou, in the accident they thought he had a couple of broken ribs. Deryck, is a good rider. And one of the riders i am very comfortable riding with. He rides at a nice pace, and is not a squid or anything. He was wearing full leathers when he fell. Just the day prior, there was 3 riders that went down from sportbikes.net. They were all riding together, and one of the bikes got run over by a truck that was coming the other way, over the double yellow line. Ricardo OMG, how is the person doing!? What happened!? - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: "Ricardo Pontes" >To: "dccycles" >Subject: RE: MoFo sighting? >Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 11:27:26 -0400 > > >Tom, > >We had a bit of trouble right in the beginning. One of the riders crashed >and was taken to the hospital by Helicopter. After that, it was just a very >depressing day. > >Ricardo > >http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=86166&goto=newpost > > >kinda surprised that we didn't run into ricardo and his >group. hope everybody who got out had a safe, enjoyable >ride.... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68Cp0Nc005981; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:51:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68Cox4p005976; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:50:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 08:56:32 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Those flashing blue lights... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Early Sunday AM I swept down the ramp from Edsal to I-395, signal on, head checky, move to the highway lane and ... WHEEEYYOOWWW!!! A sportbike I didn't see (faster than the speed of light?) howls by, my rough estimate of speed 120 - 140. Like I had the Hawg wicked up to 65 or so for the merge, even tough my head check revealed no traffic. Just blowing the dust outta the cylinders :-) Sportbike be gone, outta sight in mere seconds. Lime greeen - Kawi Ninja? I cruise north on 395 and then - DANG! A state boy is on my butt with them blue lights flashing! Okay, 55 and I'm chugging along at 65. Crap. Double trouble, possible tickee and me the RiderCoach is on my way to my MSF motorcycle class! How emmbarrassing would that be? Teacher with a tickee? Signal on, I pull off under the Duke Street overpass. Blue lights follow. Then he pulls out and hammers it! Gone. Smoking north on 395. AHA! He was after the blur-fast sportbike, and after getting a close up look at what I was on, he probably said "Harley bagger doing 100+? No way in hell." Zooomm, off to try and catch the wicked sportbike. Good luck, that puppy was in WFO scream mode. Be careful out there. Head checks are good but methinks a tiny dot approaching at roughly 200 feet per second is easily missed. If you happen to be that dot, you're on your own... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68DYjNc006441; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:34:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68DYg7H006429; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:34:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Those flashing blue lights... Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:33:19 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207080933190Q.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 08 July 2002 08:56, William J. Huson wrote: > Signal on, I pull off under the Duke Street overpass. Blue lights > follow. Then he pulls out and hammers it! Gone. Smoking north on > 395. AHA! He was after the blur-fast sportbike, and after getting a > close up look at what I was on, he probably said "Harley bagger doing > 100+? No way in hell." Zooomm, off to try and catch the wicked > sportbike. Good luck, that puppy was in WFO scream mode. > More likely someone else spotted the bike and radioed it in. I know someone on a bagger who can hit 100 easy. New engine and a 6 speed tranny. He's talked his way out of a couple of tickets. > Be careful out there. Head checks are good but methinks a tiny dot > approaching at roughly 200 feet per second is easily missed. If you > happen to be that dot, you're on your own... > True, true. Hopefully he's watching too. > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68DqHNc006808; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:52:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68DqGrn006803; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:52:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Extenders Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:50:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207080950580R.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A couple of weeks ago I took delivery on my Softail Standard. One of the things I like about this bike is the forward controls. I liked them when I first rode one 15 years or so ago so I was looking "forward" to having them. Within a few days though, I found that the controls are a bit on the short side. I'm a little tall (6'5" in my boots) and I felt like I was squatting. So I bought some 3" extenders from Arlen Ness (Ness Tech). They seem to run about $160+. They come with a replacement shifter bar and a new braided brake line which probably explains the cost (well, and the two plates, screws, and some blue locktite). I put the left one on Friday with no real problems. It took a couple of minutes to figure out what one part was but I locktited the bolts and took her out for a test. There was a significant change in comfort between the two setups. Saturday I had something else to do but Sunday I tackled the right side. I had to pull the exhaust system off the bike (front and back pipes and the interconnect) before I could get to the brake lines. I took off the brake lines; there was a fairly small amount of fluid. I removed the brake sensor from the center piece (two lines coming to the middle where the sensor sits) and pulled the line out of the bike. I ran the new braided line, plugged in the back and front of the lines. Tightened the middle connects, added the brake sensor (turned on the bike to test the sensor), and began to bleed the brakes. It took a couple of tries before I figured out how to properly bleed brakes but I got it. I checked out brakes a couple of times before I put the exhaust back on. Once I got it assembled again and found that there were no parts left over (woo-hoo), I took her out for a ride. Everything worked just fine and she's a lot more comfortable now. While I have removed the pipes before, I have not messed with brake lines or bleeding brakes before. The Arlen Ness instructions were brief but clear. The Softail service manual has a lot of information in it, but it was hard to find some of the sections regarding what I was doing. Most of it was in the second section but there was a piece in the 7th section and one in the 3rd section. I never did find a couple of parts. Tomorrow it's time for the first service check (900 miles now) and Saturday it's off to Canada (Va -> Maine -> Detroit via Canada -> Va). Later, Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68E78Nc007287; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:07:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68E78Wl007281; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:07:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020708100602.00b87210@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:06:55 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Extenders In-Reply-To: <0207080950580R.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> <3D298C00.B1EF47E@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cool. Hey you waiting for the bike to be serviced at Patriot tomorrow? Gimme a time and maybe I'll swing by...weather permitting of course. ;-) -aki At 09:50 AM 7/8/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >A couple of weeks ago I took delivery on my Softail Standard. > >One of the things I like about this bike is the forward controls. I liked >them when I first rode one 15 years or so ago so I was looking "forward" to >having them. > >Within a few days though, I found that the controls are a bit on the short >side. I'm a little tall (6'5" in my boots) and I felt like I was squatting. > >So I bought some 3" extenders from Arlen Ness (Ness Tech). They seem to run >about $160+. They come with a replacement shifter bar and a new braided brake >line which probably explains the cost (well, and the two plates, screws, and >some blue locktite). > >I put the left one on Friday with no real problems. It took a couple of >minutes to figure out what one part was but I locktited the bolts and took >her out for a test. > >There was a significant change in comfort between the two setups. > >Saturday I had something else to do but Sunday I tackled the right side. > >I had to pull the exhaust system off the bike (front and back pipes and the >interconnect) before I could get to the brake lines. > >I took off the brake lines; there was a fairly small amount of fluid. I >removed the brake sensor from the center piece (two lines coming to the >middle where the sensor sits) and pulled the line out of the bike. > >I ran the new braided line, plugged in the back and front of the lines. >Tightened the middle connects, added the brake sensor (turned on the bike to >test the sensor), and began to bleed the brakes. > >It took a couple of tries before I figured out how to properly bleed brakes >but I got it. I checked out brakes a couple of times before I put the exhaust >back on. > >Once I got it assembled again and found that there were no parts left over >(woo-hoo), I took her out for a ride. > >Everything worked just fine and she's a lot more comfortable now. > >While I have removed the pipes before, I have not messed with brake lines or >bleeding brakes before. > >The Arlen Ness instructions were brief but clear. The Softail service manual >has a lot of information in it, but it was hard to find some of the sections >regarding what I was doing. Most of it was in the second section but there >was a piece in the 7th section and one in the 3rd section. I never did find a >couple of parts. > >Tomorrow it's time for the first service check (900 miles now) and Saturday >it's off to Canada (Va -> Maine -> Detroit via Canada -> Va). > >Later, > >Carl >-- > Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68EUKNc007715; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:30:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68EUJ2e007710; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:30:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:16:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207081416.g68EG5l19172@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Those flashing blue lights... On Monday 08 July 2002 08:56, William J. Huson wrote: > Signal on, I pull off under the Duke Street overpass. Blue lights > follow. Then he pulls out and hammers it! Gone. Smoking north on > 395. AHA! He was after the blur-fast sportbike, and after getting a > close up look at what I was on, he probably said "Harley bagger doing > 100+? No way in hell." Zooomm, off to try and catch the wicked > sportbike. Good luck, that puppy was in WFO scream mode. > More likely someone else spotted the bike and radioed it in. I know someone on a bagger who can hit 100 easy. New engine and a 6 speed tranny. He's talked his way out of a couple of tickets. [Dave] Great, how many dB is an open pipe Harley at 100? Not that a sportbike is that much quieter opened up, but jeez. > Be careful out there. Head checks are good but methinks a tiny dot > approaching at roughly 200 feet per second is easily missed. If you > happen to be that dot, you're on your own... > True, true. Hopefully he's watching too. [Dave] Just goes to prove, no matter how 'open' the interstate appears, there's always something that can jump out at you... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68F14Nc008263; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:01:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68F13An008254; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:01:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50122B3@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: bungee nets Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:01:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My battery died on this weekend. I got a new one from Champion, they had told me they'd take my old one on the phone, but once I got there they said I had to dispose of it. I put it into the new box and strapped it in under my trusty bungee net that I've had for 2 3/4 yrs, using once every few weeks. I get home and the net is in two pieces, the battery fell out! I did find the battery in my neighborhood. So I still get to properly dispose of it. How long should a bungee net last? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68F9lNc008704; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:09:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68F9lDT008698; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:09:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Extenders Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:08:29 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20020708100602.00b87210@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020708100602.00b87210@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207081108290S.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Monday 08 July 2002 10:06, Aki Damme wrote: > cool. Hey you waiting for the bike to be serviced at Patriot tomorrow? > > Gimme a time and maybe I'll swing by...weather permitting of course. ;-) > Nah, Patriot had a 6 week waiting list. I called Witts and East Coast. EC had an open day tomorrow which is _before_ the trip. Much more imporant for warranty and head bearing checks. Hopefully (crosses fingers) nothing's wrong although rescheduling my vacation isn't that big a deal. Thanks for the offer though. > -aki Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68Fj8Nc009306; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:45:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68Fj8wd009302; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:45:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12f.13f76201.2a5b0d6b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:44:43 EDT Subject: Re: Norton owner in Petworth, DC??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/7/2002 8:24:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mprodgers@XXXXXX writes: > I do have > an off-street carport to work in and most tools, You have Whitworth (or British standard) tools? That is after all the true test of a Brit bike lover. (and of course the ability to ride in the dark. Lucas! Spit! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68FmfNc009623; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:48:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68FmfVu009615; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:48:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020708114753.02283488@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 11:48:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: bungee nets In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50122B3@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:01 AM 7/8/2002, Rich Hall wrote: >How long should a bungee net last? 2 3/4 years. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68FrENc010035; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:53:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68FrDhD010030; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:53:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11c.13c23383.2a5b0f39@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:52:25 EDT Subject: Re: Those flashing blue lights... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/8/2002 8:51:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > "Harley bagger doing > 100+? No way in hell." I allways say my saddlebags and trunk are good for 15 or 20mph. over the limit. Not that I would #:-) > John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68Gc7Nc010644; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:38:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68Gc6Ps010635; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:38:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:37:47 -0400 Subject: kz650 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit KZ650, 1979, 23k mi. New tires and battery. Mechanically good, cosmetically fair. Runs well, but finicky starting (both kick and electric). $650-firm. 202-234-9229. Email for pix or come by to see it. Details: Good stuff: new tires, new seat cover; kick and electric start, Vance & Hines exhaust, good power, decent handling, parts readily available Bad stuff: Hard to start if battery not fully charged, Vance & Hines pipes rust easily and have to be repainted ocasionally; runs rich, tank has small dent (right place for someone's knee), one side cover doesn't match bike's color, tailpiece plastic cracked (replacement should arrive in about a week). _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68HfHNc011565; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:41:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68HfHcH011557; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:41:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 13:41:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: clothing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Newbie again: For touring and just cruising around (not racing, that is), leather or fabric? Which brands of each? If you can't afford Aerostitch or a full set of top-end new leathers, that is. Pros, cons, personal opinions, RTFM? newenough.com has some nice closeouts that would make a good commuting/touring suit, but how does Joe Rocket gear stack up? Some nice-looking Hein Gericke jackets, too... hmm... so much to find out! later, and thanks -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68M1vNc013240; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:01:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68M1uuw013232; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:01:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , "Andrew Maddox" Subject: RE: clothing Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2002 22:00:47.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA44EC70:01C226CA] I LOVE my alpinestars cordura pants. They have armor and all. And they are super warm in the winter, thanks to their removable insulation. In the summer, they are cool. Very easy to walk around, they dont make you look like a power ranger. The joe rocket stuff is decent. Ive got a joe rocket tahoe jacket, except for a bit of stuff loosening, it has survived a low speed crash with no damage. Ricardo Newbie again: For touring and just cruising around (not racing, that is), leather or fabric? Which brands of each? If you can't afford Aerostitch or a full set of top-end new leathers, that is. Pros, cons, personal opinions, RTFM? newenough.com has some nice closeouts that would make a good commuting/touring suit, but how does Joe Rocket gear stack up? Some nice-looking Hein Gericke jackets, too... hmm... so much to find out! later, and thanks -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68NgNNc014519; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:42:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68NgMc6014510; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:42:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:39:10 -0400 Subject: Demise of the Bungee Net Message-ID: <20020708.193910.-88287407.1.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4,6,8 From: Tom Fitzpatrick Did battery acid get on the net? Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g68NktNc014815; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:46:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g68NktxH014810; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:46:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2A25C1.CDFAE201@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 19:52:33 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bungee nets References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50122B3@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich Hall wrote: > My battery died on this weekend. I got a new one from Champion, they had > told me they'd take my old one on the phone, but once I got there they said > I had to dispose of it. I put it into the new box and strapped it in under > my trusty bungee net that I've had for 2 3/4 yrs, using once every few > weeks. I get home and the net is in two pieces, the battery fell out! I > did find the battery in my neighborhood. So I still get to properly dispose > of it. > > How long should a bungee net last? The wieght probably killed it. Bungee nets aren't that strong, and even a scoot battery is heavy - lead inside, ya know. And after a couple years of exposure to heat and whatnot, the bungee rubber can head south. First clue is loss of stretchy. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g690TGNc015351; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:29:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g690TGgZ015346; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:29:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709002855.84293.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: MC Killed in MD Sunday afternoon To: "Silver, Arthur \(NIH/NIGMS\)" , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i haven't been able to determine where or when services will be held. i'll let you know if and when i do. kirby was also an artist of some sort. i remember his business card-- the "flying dutchman" was the first part of his trade name. sculpture maybe? i still can't believe he's gone.... just like that... in an instant --- "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" wrote: > I knew Kirby he was my MSF instructor I will miss him he > gave me a lot of > good advice and was always willing to help anyone out. > Anyone know > when/where the services are? Thanks > > Art521 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:09 AM > To: Troutman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: MC Killed in MD Sunday afternoon > > i knew kirby. he worked at battleys and was an avid, > avid > rider. he was a talker--always spent the additional time > helping people buy accessories. rode a green kawi > zrx1100. > > > a real shame. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69290Nc016103; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:09:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6928wQl016095; Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:08:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020708222523.0426dd08@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 22:25:25 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: RE: MC Killed in MD Sunday afternoon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:28 PM 7/8/02 -0700, you wrote: >i haven't been able to determine where or when services >will be held. i'll let you know if and when i do. > >kirby was also an artist of some sort. i remember his >business card-- the "flying dutchman" was the first part of >his trade name. sculpture maybe? i still can't believe >he's gone.... just like that... in an instant I was over at Battley tonight. They are closing early on 7/10(i think?) in memory of Kirby. Another MC related accident... I was dropping off my MB drop top at the dealer for service in Bethesda and saw a Ride On bus had run over what looked to be a Springer Softail. The rider was standing around on his cell phone, so I can't for the life of me figure out the accident. The bike was under the *back* of the bus(?!). -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g696u6Nc017508; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:56:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g696u5nF017500; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 02:56:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Rich Hall Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bungee nets Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 03:00:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3f2liu4t71qgkjcedk7b4u4h3jebd0ravm@4ax.com> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50122B3@SERVER1> In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50122B3@SERVER1> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g696u4Nc017483 I've lost a battery or two with pretty new bungee nets. I think it's too much weight or something. On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:01:26 -0400 , you wrote: |>My battery died on this weekend. I got a new one from Champion, they had |>told me they'd take my old one on the phone, but once I got there they said |>I had to dispose of it. I put it into the new box and strapped it in under |>my trusty bungee net that I've had for 2 3/4 yrs, using once every few |>weeks. I get home and the net is in two pieces, the battery fell out! I |>did find the battery in my neighborhood. So I still get to properly dispose |>of it. |> |>How long should a bungee net last? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69DQRNc019821; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:26:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69DQQYv019816; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:26:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD501238D@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Demise of the Bungee Net Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:26:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had the old battery in the new battery's box. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fitzpatrick [mailto:celticracing@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 7:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Demise of the Bungee Net Did battery acid get on the net? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69DXTNc020155; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:33:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69DXSlh020148; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:33:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Beemer for Sale Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:33:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey all, If anyone knows a prospective purchaser, please pass this along. 1978 BMW R80/7s - (798cc, BMW series 7 ) The numbers indicate that this is an "S" model (a little extra HP). Classic Black with blue pin stripes, turn key, runs great, 52mpg, 30k miles - fresh inspection and tune up. Garage kept, Dyna electronic ignition, new shocks, new gel battery, tank bag, Corbin seat, original seat and rail plus a Reynolds passenger backrest. Haynes manual, small tool kit, photos upon request George Bruhl 703.330.3620 $3327 or make offer. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69FOONc021377; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:24:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69FONd2021363; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:24:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02ce01c2275d$43b6f220$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Back from Wyo. Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:27:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Pierre and I had a great trip. The toll: One battery (mine and *not* rectifier/regulator related) One set brake pads (his) [Thanks to a friend in Springfield, Mo. who changed them in his shop] One rear tire (his) One sore bum (mine, due to two 700-mile days on stock seat) 4637 miles and lots and lots of great riding, mostly west of the Mississippi. It was not fun getting back to the DC traffic mess. No law enforcement encounters, except in gas station parking lots. Here's a few thoughts pending the full write up. Kentucky - a very looong state Missouri - Ozarks make for good riding Kansas - surprisingly fun and fast Colorado - way too many cages, but some fun mountain passes, hazy due to the fires Wyoming - great riding and no traffic, but watch the fuel supply So. Dakota - do the Black Hills, forget the rest. Road construction makes for "interesting" riding conditions. Nebraska - a fun road following the Missouri River Iowa - 300 + miles of corn, corn, corn and more corn. The humidity returns. Illinois - Crazy Chicago drivers, ugh. Indiana - our only road rage incident Ohio - what can I say, it's home West Va. - home of the world's slowest drivers. Out west they give you room to pass. In West Va. slow drivers seem to intent on making those following suffer. Va. - my heart sank when I saw the Beltway Paul in DC 95 VFR < Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69Gh1Nc022242; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:43:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69Gh0pw022231; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:43:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to all that posted tips on the smart tag problems. I think the key was holding it out front and horizontal (the Road King windscreen is almost vertical). So far I've made it through both days this week without any issues. Regards, Dan -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69HI9Nc022800; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:18:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69HI9Z9022795; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:18:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709131727.00b212a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:17:56 -0400 To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:44 PM 7/9/2002 -0400, dan wrote: >Thanks to all that posted tips on the smart tag problems. I think the key >was holding it out front and horizontal (the Road King windscreen is >almost vertical). So far I've made it through both days this week without >any issues. > >Regards, > >Dan > >-- AH HA! That's what I suggested a week or so ago and everyone poo poo'd it. *snort* _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69HbENc023285; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:37:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69HbD1t023281; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:37:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYfgpQq6F3vSOS6KOKzwmabuPNC/fYjRHhU9S/Nw0iOudGbzxk121qkH7qUt8+6uuo= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:38:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709131727.00b212a8@pop.east.cox.net> it's you they poo poo-ed, not the idea. Take it personally. ;-) --jon > -----Aki Damme sniveled: > AH HA! That's what I suggested a week or so ago and everyone poo > poo'd it. > > *snort* _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69HemNc023649; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:40:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69HelgH023630; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:40:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709134002.00b21518@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:40:35 -0400 To: , "DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709131727.00b212a8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:38 PM 7/9/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >it's you they poo poo-ed, not the idea. > >Take it personally. > >;-) > >--jon ah...you guys are just jealous when us Harley guys recommend something. ;-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69HoBNc024182; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:50:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69HoApt024174; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:50:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709174957.83038.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved To: Aki Damme , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709134002.00b21518@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > > ah...you guys are just jealous when us Harley guys > recommend something. ;-) what do you recommend with respect to putting tassles at the ends of my bars? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69I0PNc024637; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:00:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69I0PNZ024632; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:00:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709135902.00b21640@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 14:00:12 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: <20020709174957.83038.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709134002.00b21518@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:49 AM 7/9/2002 -0700, Tom Gimer wrote: bah..easy question...only required equipment if you ride a sporty or are a girl. And if you do have to install them, they must be long enough to wind whip you silly whilst going anything more than 5 mph. >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > ah...you guys are just jealous when us Harley guys > > recommend something. ;-) > >what do you recommend with respect to putting tassles at >the ends of my bars? > > >-- >tg > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free >http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69IOsNc025134; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:24:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69IOsp1025130; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:24:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709182442.86515.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Those flashing blue lights... To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3D298C00.B1EF47E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > Early Sunday AM I swept down the ramp from Edsal to > I-395, signal on, > head checky, move to the highway lane and ... > WHEEEYYOOWWW!!! A > sportbike I didn't see (faster than the speed of light?) > howls by, my > rough estimate of speed 120 - 140. this is downright unacceptable. everyone knows that speeds this fast are reserved for u.s. 50 between dc and annapolis.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69IwDNc025686; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:58:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69IwCkG025678; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:58:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <019301c2277b$20db5160$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dan" , "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:01:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Still catching up on email, but what's this about "SmartTags not designed for MC use." A paraphrase of a statement by the SmartTag folks. It was my understanding that federal law requires any sort of automated highway system to accommodate all highway users. Perhaps this is something the AMA should take up. Both Maryland's M-Tag and EZ-Pass have moto models. Of course VDOT, hopelessly mired in Richmond provinciality, thinks no one would *ever* use both the Dulles Toll Road and the Bay Bridge or the Balmer tunnels so SmartTag is incompatible with those systems. Which brings up another issue: a national system for automated toll collection. Stopping, pulling off a glove and tossing change into the bucket on the Illinois tollways (where they have toll barriers every 15 miles) got to be tedious. As for the original question, my SmartTag works great on the VFR windshield. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved > Thanks to all that posted tips on the smart tag problems. I think the key > was holding it out front and horizontal (the Road King windscreen is > almost vertical). So far I've made it through both days this week without > any issues. > > Regards, > > Dan > > -- > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JICNc026173; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69JIBi7026168; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:18:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709151635.00b92be8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:17:58 -0400 To: "dc-cycles list" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: <019301c2277b$20db5160$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:01 PM 7/9/2002 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >Still catching up on email, but what's this about "SmartTags not designed >for MC use." A paraphrase of a statement by the SmartTag folks. It was my >understanding that federal law requires any sort of automated highway system >to accommodate all highway users. Perhaps this is something the AMA should >take up. Both Maryland's M-Tag and EZ-Pass have moto models. Of course >VDOT, hopelessly mired in Richmond provinciality, thinks no one would *ever* >use both the Dulles Toll Road and the Bay Bridge or the Balmer tunnels so >SmartTag is incompatible with those systems. > >Which brings up another issue: a national system for automated toll >collection. Stopping, pulling off a glove and tossing change into the >bucket on the Illinois >tollways (where they have toll barriers every 15 miles) got to be tedious. > >As for the original question, my SmartTag works great on the VFR windshield. Personally, I think there's more to the story than VDOT wanting to be different. I wonder how may high level officials got kickbacks for choosing Speedpass? Hmmm... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JNWNc026592; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:23:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69JNVDo026583; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:23:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.198.213] From: "Blake Stoddard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Local Machine Shops? Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 13:22:16 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2002 19:22:16.0571 (UTC) FILETIME=[EFB384B0:01C2277D] Hello, I'm starting on a rebuild of my 1978 Yamaha GT80 trail bike, and was wondering if anyone knew of any good shops in northern virgina (I'm in Dale City) that could do an overbore for me? It's a nice little bike and a blast to ride, and it finally kicked the bucket last year with a little spill in the mud and it's time for a rebuild. If anyone has any suggestions i'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Blake Stoddard 1978 Yamaha XS650 1978 Yamaha GT80 1982 Yamaha XZ550 Vision (x2) 1998 Yamaha V-Star 650 custom _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JQYNc026892; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:26:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69JQX52026887; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:26:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:28:16 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: <019301c2277b$20db5160$bb82fea9@palladio1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > Which brings up another issue: a national system for automated toll > collection. Stopping, pulling off a glove and tossing change into the > bucket on the Illinois > tollways (where they have toll barriers every 15 miles) got to be tedious. > Great idea. Two problems though. First it will be a cold day in hell before that happens. Two, they'd put up toll roads everywhere if they did that. I hate toll roads. All road taxes should come from gasoline tax, plain and simple. Pay for what you use. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JT7Nc027290; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:29:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69JT6OL027284; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:29:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: "'Blake Stoddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Local Machine Shops? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:26:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I'm interested in the same info. I have no less than 6 top ends awaiting overbores. I'll probably end up taking my stuff to Dean at Loudon Motorsports unless someone can think of someplace better. -----Original Message----- From: Blake Stoddard [mailto:stobl1@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:22 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Local Machine Shops? Hello, I'm starting on a rebuild of my 1978 Yamaha GT80 trail bike, and was wondering if anyone knew of any good shops in northern virgina (I'm in Dale City) that could do an overbore for me? It's a nice little bike and a blast to ride, and it finally kicked the bucket last year with a little spill in the mud and it's time for a rebuild. If anyone has any suggestions i'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Blake Stoddard 1978 Yamaha XS650 1978 Yamaha GT80 1982 Yamaha XZ550 Vision (x2) 1998 Yamaha V-Star 650 custom _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JTTNc027470; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:29:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69JTSof027464; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:29:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709152813.00b7c8e0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 15:29:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: References: <019301c2277b$20db5160$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:28 PM 7/9/2002 -0400, dan wrote: >On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > Which brings up another issue: a national system for automated toll > > collection. Stopping, pulling off a glove and tossing change into the > > bucket on the Illinois > > tollways (where they have toll barriers every 15 miles) got to be tedious. > > > >Great idea. Two problems though. First it will be a cold day in hell >before that happens. Two, they'd put up toll roads everywhere if they did >that. I hate toll roads. All road taxes should come from gasoline tax, >plain and simple. Pay for what you use. > >Dan maybe someone can explain to me why, on the way up to NY, there are tolls on 95N? I thought interstate highways were paid for by tax dollars? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JX4Nc028091; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:33:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69JX3Ac028082; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:33:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709193248.37983.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Local Machine Shops? To: Blake Stoddard , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They don't normally do bikes, but Caton's Machine shop in Woodbridge did an overbore for my Ninja 250 last year. Catons Machine Shop 871 Highams Ct Woodbridge VA 22191-1400 703-491-2500 They did mention that they had to use the brake caliper boring machine rather than the one they normally use for engines, but they did get it right, so I've got no complaints. Leon. also in Dale City --- Blake Stoddard wrote: > Hello, > > > I'm starting on a rebuild of my 1978 Yamaha GT80 > trail bike, and was > wondering if anyone knew of any good shops in > northern virgina (I'm in Dale > City) that could do an overbore for me? It's a nice > little bike and a blast > to ride, and it finally kicked the bucket last year > with a little spill in > the mud and it's time for a rebuild. If anyone has > any suggestions i'd > greatly appreciate it. > > > > Thanks, > Blake Stoddard > > 1978 Yamaha XS650 > 1978 Yamaha GT80 > 1982 Yamaha XZ550 Vision (x2) > 1998 Yamaha V-Star 650 custom > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69Ja2Nc028498; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:36:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69Ja1Bg028493; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:36:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01f401c22780$67e5b640$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dan" , References: Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:39:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved > On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, Paul Wilson wrote: > > Which brings up another issue: a national system for automated toll > > collection. Stopping, pulling off a glove and tossing change into the > > bucket on the Illinois > > tollways (where they have toll barriers every 15 miles) got to be tedious. > > > > Great idea. Two problems though. First it will be a cold day in hell > before that happens. Two, they'd put up toll roads everywhere if they did > that. I hate toll roads. All road taxes should come from gasoline tax, > plain and simple. Pay for what you use. > > Dan > All well and good, but try to get through the Chicago area expeditiously without using a toll road. The lack of a uniform national system (or local systems that don't accommodate bikes) creates two classes of citizens, those that can fly through toll booths and those that can't. BTW, considering the toll revenue the NW Tollway into Chicago was in miserable condition. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JcgNc028913; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:38:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69Jcfl8028904; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:38:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Aki Damme cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709152813.00b7c8e0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > maybe someone can explain to me why, on the way up to NY, there are tolls > on 95N? > I thought interstate highways were paid for by tax dollars? > North Carolina was considering makeing portions of 95 at the border of VA and SC toll also. http://www.wral.com/news/710966/index.html Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JfUNc029360; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:41:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69JfUE2029354; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:41:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <020a01c22781$2c9dd1c0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Aki Damme" References: <019301c2277b$20db5160$bb82fea9@palladio1> <5.1.1.5.2.20020709152813.00b7c8e0@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:45:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Nope, they were built with the proceed of the sale of bonds issued by state toll road authorities. Toll revenue goes to maintain the highways and service the debt. Gas tax revenues do not support the construction of toll roads, nor can roads built with gas tax revenue be "converted" to toll status. I think NC floated this idea as a cure for a revenue shortfall, but it was a non starter. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > > maybe someone can explain to me why, on the way up to NY, there are tolls > on 95N? > I thought interstate highways were paid for by tax dollars? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69JtkNc029911; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:55:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69Jtj3A029906; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:55:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709195530.49988.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Papa & Lisa Moving Days: 7/25-28 To: MicaPeak Race List , List SV650 , DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Papa Thiam and his fiance Lisa are moving and need your help Please visit the WERA BBS for the latest info: http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12642 Thanks, Steve Clark TightSqueezeRacing.org TSR Injury Fund __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69KHCNc030392; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:17:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69KHCK2030385; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:17:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709201659.84592.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't believe 37% of the population is for this. What a bunch of fucking idiots... I was pretty sure that after an interstate became an interstate that tolls were prohibited. If there were tolls before the road became part of the interstate system they were grandfathered in. Any know about this? Glenn --- dan wrote: > North Carolina was considering makeing portions of > 95 at the border of VA > and SC toll also. > > http://www.wral.com/news/710966/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69KQLNc030854; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:26:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69KQKu0030847; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:26:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709162356.00bb0488@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 16:26:07 -0400 To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved In-Reply-To: <20020709201659.84592.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:16 PM 7/9/2002 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: >I can't believe 37% of the population is for this. >What a bunch of fucking idiots... > >I was pretty sure that after an interstate became an >interstate that tolls were prohibited. If there were >tolls before the road became part of the interstate >system they were grandfathered in. Any know about >this? did you read the part that the tolls would be NO MORE THAN $10??? Christ almighty in doughnut shop. Wanna guess how much the toll would be if it was passed? I doubt there would be many people going over the state line to work if they knew they had to pay $200 a month just in entry tolls. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69KWCNc031268; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:32:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69KWBDQ031263; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:32:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709203203.61985.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:32:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved To: Glenn Dysart , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020709201659.84592.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii glenn: just wondering.... what percentage of the population would YOU characterize as "idiots." perhaps the 37% figure is on the conservative side.... ;) --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > I can't believe 37% of the population is for this. > What a bunch of fucking idiots... > > I was pretty sure that after an interstate became an > interstate that tolls were prohibited. If there were > tolls before the road became part of the interstate > system they were grandfathered in. Any know about > this? > > Glenn > --- dan wrote: > > North Carolina was considering makeing portions of > > 95 at the border of VA > > and SC toll also. > > > > http://www.wral.com/news/710966/index.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69Kh2Nc031725; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:43:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69Kh1Ea031719; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:43:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020709204253.68486.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 13:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020709162356.00bb0488@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just can't understand toll roads and or bridges and I really can't understand when they INCREASE such as all of the NJ bridges going from $2 to $3 or even worse the MD toll going from $2 to $4. That's a 100% increase! UFB, if anything it should be going down as the roads and bridges should already be paid for and only money for repairs should be needed. Glenn --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 01:16 PM 7/9/2002 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >I can't believe 37% of the population is for this. > >What a bunch of fucking idiots... > > > >I was pretty sure that after an interstate became > an > >interstate that tolls were prohibited. If there > were > >tolls before the road became part of the interstate > >system they were grandfathered in. Any know about > >this? > > > did you read the part that the tolls would be NO > MORE THAN $10??? > > Christ almighty in doughnut shop. Wanna guess how > much the toll > would be if it was passed? I doubt there would be > many people going > over the state line to work if they knew they had to > pay $200 a month just > in entry tolls. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69KkgNc032030; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:46:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69KkfRR032019; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:46:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <029001c2278a$44121100$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <20020709201659.84592.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:50:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Considering a poll would find that a similar number think Elvis is still alive and working at a doughnut shop in Milwaukee, it's not hard to believe....Or think the government has extraterrestrials in a freezer at Area 51.... It all depends on how you ask the question. Come to think of it, $10 to drive across NC is probably a better value than $2 to drive across Delaware. :) The worst example is probably the Chicago Skyway, which used to cost $1.75 when I lived there. It saved about 15 minutes off the alternate routes and never had any traffic. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" > I can't believe 37% of the population is for this. > What a bunch of fucking idiots... > > I was pretty sure that after an interstate became an > interstate that tolls were prohibited. If there were > tolls before the road became part of the interstate > system they were grandfathered in. Any know about > this? > > Glenn _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69KndNc032439; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:49:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69Kncen032433; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:49:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:35:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200207092035.g69KZBq01318@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Paul dumped gas on the fire... Nope, they were built with the proceed of the sale of bonds issued by state toll road authorities. Toll revenue goes to maintain the highways and service the debt. [Dave] I'm not from MO, I'm from Accokeek... Nevertheless, prove it.... Gas tax revenues do not support the construction of toll roads, nor can roads built with gas tax revenue be "converted" to toll status. [Dave] Tolls went up after the interstates were constructed. Every once in a while, you notice a sign on the interstate to the effect of 'Eisenhower interstate HWY...' They were designed to move military staff & hardware quickly. Never heard anything about not being able to 'convert' a toll road. They can be gotten rid of ; CT did it, but only after a fatal pile up... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69LH6Nc000652; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:17:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69LH5AL000647; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:17:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Sandler, Mike" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:04:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd gladly pay higher license fees if we can do away with the congestion created by tolls. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:43 PM To: Aki Damme; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved I just can't understand toll roads and or bridges and I really can't understand when they INCREASE such as all of the NJ bridges going from $2 to $3 or even worse the MD toll going from $2 to $4. That's a 100% increase! UFB, if anything it should be going down as the roads and bridges should already be paid for and only money for repairs should be needed. Glenn --- Aki Damme wrote: > At 01:16 PM 7/9/2002 -0700, Glenn Dysart wrote: > >I can't believe 37% of the population is for this. > >What a bunch of fucking idiots... > > > >I was pretty sure that after an interstate became > an > >interstate that tolls were prohibited. If there > were > >tolls before the road became part of the interstate > >system they were grandfathered in. Any know about > >this? > > > did you read the part that the tolls would be NO > MORE THAN $10??? > > Christ almighty in doughnut shop. Wanna guess how > much the toll > would be if it was passed? I doubt there would be > many people going > over the state line to work if they knew they had to > pay $200 a month just > in entry tolls. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com *********************************************** Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this E-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69LIiNc000797; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:18:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69LIhnK000789; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:18:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002701c2278e$2e499a10$39200340@blairdubilier.com> From: "Dave Cross" To: "Paul Wilson" , "dan" , "dc-cycles list" References: <019301c2277b$20db5160$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:18:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > As for the original question, my SmartTag works great on the VFR windshield. > And nothing looks nicer on a beautiful red sportbike than a big white square sticking to the windshield! ;-) dave _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69LkdNc001340; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:46:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69LkcoA001335; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:46:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02c001c22792$a19b1940$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <200207092035.g69KZBq01318@texas.pop3now.com> Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 17:46:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I am not going to argue about this. You're misinformed about the history of the interstate system and are captive to a paranoid fantasy about VDOT bureaucrats erecting toll barriers on 395 in the dark of night. :) There are several excellent histories of the highway system that explain this in exhaustive detail. In fact, many of the toll roads (such as the continuous NYC to Chicago toll road across NJ, PA, OH and IN) which were essentially complete or well underway before the Eisenhower interstate "national defense" system came along. In the 1950s you could probably get a system of houses of ill repute built if you called it a "National Defense Brothel Act." One of the reasons for the big push to build the interstate system was that various lobbies (such as the truckers) feared that a national system of toll roads would be built and impose a high cost burden. There was also the fear that places with low traffic and population density could not support toll roads (in the West and South primarily) and that those states would forever have lousy roads. Another consequence of the interstate system is that the "system" became co-opted for use by commuters, local users and as an "urban renewal" weapon. The take a look at the routing of the pre-WWII PA turnpike which essentially bypassed Philadelphia and Pittsburgh and the OH turnpike which gives Cleveland and Toledo a wide berth. It was intended for high-speed, long-distance travel, with widely-spaced exits. A lot of today's congestion (not to mention odd routings as the states shifted alignments for parochial reasons) on the interstate system is a result of this fundamental shift in emphasis. Closely spaced exits with lots of commuter and local traffic, highway induced sprawl and new routings which sliced through cities are the results of a policy of "free" highways. The interstate system essentially killed off the state-based turnpike movement, under the rubric of "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free." Only when the federal gas tax largess began to run out (as the poorly built original interstates reached the end of a pretty short life cycle, about 30 years, and the majority of gas tax needed to be plowed into maintenance, not new routes) did states once again turn to toll roads to get new highway infrastructure built. The public/private partnerships that built the Dulles Greenway and a toll road in Orange County, CA are two examples. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved > Paul dumped gas on the fire... > > Nope, they were built with the proceed of the sale of bonds issued by > state toll road authorities. Toll revenue goes to maintain the > highways and service the debt. > > [Dave] I'm not from MO, I'm from Accokeek... Nevertheless, prove > it.... > > > > Gas tax revenues do not support the construction of toll > roads, nor can roads built with gas tax revenue be "converted" to toll > status. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g69NJrNc002603; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:19:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g69NJqbS002591; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:19:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" Cc: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 19:16:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c2279e$b1f47820$3a81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <02c001c22792$a19b1940$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal I am not going to argue about this. You're misinformed about the history of the interstate system and are captive to a paranoid fantasy about VDOT bureaucrats erecting toll barriers on 395 in the dark of night. :) There are several excellent histories of the highway system that explain this in exhaustive detail. [Dave] Ok... .... .... In fact, many of the toll roads (such as the continuous NYC to Chicago toll road across NJ, PA, OH and IN) which were essentially complete or well underway before the Eisenhower interstate "national defense" system came along. In the 1950s you could probably get a system of houses of ill repute built if you called it a "National Defense Brothel Act." One of the reasons for the big push to build the interstate system was that various lobbies (such as the truckers) feared that a national system of toll roads would be built and impose a high cost burden. [Dave] Every state gets federal highway dollars. This is supposed to be used for road improvements. There's a big 'carrot / stick' discussion going on because (allegedly) the DC region is not going to meet EPA exhaust emissions levels & be subject to revocation of federal highway dollars. We (motorcyclists) used this Federal assistance (through the AMA) to prevent local prohibitions against motorcycles. ... Closely spaced exits with lots of commuter and local traffic, highway induced sprawl and new routings which sliced through cities are the results of a policy of "free" highways. [Dave] They're nowhere close to free. All of us pay for them at the pump & by April 15 every year. The interstate system essentially killed off the state-based turnpike movement, under the rubric of "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free." Only when the federal gas tax largess began to run out (as the poorly built original interstates reached the end of a pretty short life cycle, about 30 years, and the majority of gas tax needed to be plowed into maintenance, not new routes) did states once again turn to toll roads to get new highway infrastructure built. [Dave] That money didn't just evaporate, or spontaneously combust, it was spent. Or, more appropriately, misappropriated by the respective states. More & more every year, for some new pet project or other money pit. The public/private partnerships that built the Dulles Greenway and a toll road in Orange County, CA are two examples. [Dave] I'm not so offended by the greenway, as I am the Dulles toll road portion (267), which is already paid for. Now, when you say: > Nope, they were built with the proceed of the sale of bonds issued by > state toll road authorities. Toll revenue goes to maintain the > highways and service the debt. Which interstates or portions are you referring to? Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6A1eMNc003512; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:40:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6A1eKRs003500; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:40:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [165.247.107.206] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: re: Back from Wyo. Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 02:39:03 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 01:39:04.0310 (UTC) FILETIME=[92F6B960:01C227B2] I think Paul forgot to say that travelling by bike across the mississippi is something every biker should do. I had just about the time of my life between riding backroads in america, and visiting the yellowstone. My mind is full of colors right now green, blue, brown and .... the pink of the canyons. Lots of straight endless roads that seemed to lead right into the sunset, lots of wind bending your bike over and over (like in Iowa), lots of astonished people looking at our gear: in Kansas we were asked if we were firemen, and otherwise most just wondered how could we stand the heat with all those clothes on. Hard to explain the wonders of new materials. Entering the yellowstone from the dry extended monotonous and overwhelming planes of wyoming was also a great experience with the landscape becoming populated by huge pink stones. It's hard not to feel like an indian worrior at that point. Then the pink becomes bright green, with all the marvels of the yellowstone around it. The bikes only asked for gas, sometime lots of it: in wyoming my bike hit 135 miles per hour at some points. Paul was much more steady with constant speeds, but even him had to hit 110 or hold 100 miles per hour for long stretches. I was listening to the nine inch nails, and it was just perfect. We never had a problem, and paul was the greatest navigator. We never stayed on highways for too long, except when paul got afraid he was going to be late for work and we did a stretch of perhaps 150 miles on the highway, but then we got too bored and headed back for the backroads. Again, the bikes just handled the work greatly. Everyone should go out west on their motorcycle to clear out their minds, and also the vfr was the best machine to do it: great comfort with a corbin seat, no problems whatsoever except my 207 dunlop back tire lasted only 5k miles. We rode through temperatures that ranged from 49F to 105F. The machines didn't ever blink an eye. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6A2MUNc003971; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:22:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6A2MRVA003955; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:22:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003501c227b8$03de4800$0e672c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Wyoming trip report- part I (long) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:18:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Wyoming Trip (Part I) First a little background. My wife Christina and I go to Wyoming every summer to spend a week in a mountain cabin owned by her family. This year I resolved to ride there. She's the sensible one and flew to Wyoming. Pierre asked to come along to see the country and visit Yellowstone, so that's how it began. My bike and touring weapon of choice is a 1995 VFR750 with Givi hard bags, a GPS, throttle lock and throttle rocker. Everything else is stock, including the seat. Pierre has a 98 VFR with soft bags and a Corbin seat. Day 1 - Washington, DC to Huntington, WV [0-420] Stops: Greenville, VA, Marlinton, WV, Mount Nebo, WV So, this time, I *vow* I'm not going to have to return home five miles into the trip because I forgot something. Well, this time, it's about two miles. I'm rolling along-OK, creeping along 395 in Southwest DC--when I discover I' m not wearing my CamelBak, so I have to claw my way back home, retrieve said CamelBak and go on to Pierre's place. I am *so* not going to miss DC's notorious traffic!! Then the bike won't start. Dead battery. The combination of three start-ups in close succession, plus stop and go traffic had apparently drained it. It's also of indeterminate age, having come with the bike. OK, so I was being cheap for not replacing it. So, we bump start. Third gear and a steep incline do the trick. Back to Pierre's and the bike stalls in the alley. Arggh. I'm now pissed beyond words, having unloaded every expletive in my vocabulary. Push the bike back to the hill, sweating profusely under my gear. Who says you can't get exercise on a motorcycle? Get the bike started and crawl along in traffic and witness my bike dying a slow miserable death. The charging voltage is in the basement (11 volts, yikes!), fan running non-stop, as I try to rev the engine to get some juice to the battery. Thoughts of a failing R/R dance in my head as well as the dread that perhaps the trip is doomed before it's barely begun. Finally I get to I-66 west, gain highway speeds and the bike cools off and the charging voltage begins climbing very slowly and finally levels off at its normal range. The I4C voltmeter just paid for itself in letting me know what is going on with my charging system. Phew, that means the system is fine, but the battery is getting a little tired. I could probably make it limp along for the entire trip (although tales of old batteries taking out R/R's are in the back of my mind.) Peace of mind dictated that I stop in Warrenton, at Blalock's, for a new Yuasa. They had me fixed up with a new battery in an hour. A questionable battery is not something I want to live with. After that the ride down 211 and I-81 was unremarkable, just lots of 18-wheelers. We turn off on some back roads and ride VA/WV 39 via Warm Springs, VA and Marlinton, WV. A very nice ride, albeit a wet one. Due to the heat I really didn't mind getting wet in my liner-less Motoport Ultra II. As a veteran of many a soggy bicycle ride, being wet when it's warm is no big deal. By six-the battery trouble had cost us more than an hour-we're still a long way from our intended overnight at Lexington, Ky., so we decide to ride for two more hours and call it quits. That turned out to be Huntington, WV, 140 miles short of the intended target. The trip to Brandon Monnig's place in Springfield, MO the next day would be 700 miles as a result, but after the stress of the battery incident and riding lots of twisties (39 and a splendid stretch of US 60 near Hawk's Nest State Park in WV) we were pooped. But not too pooped that we couldn't relieve the groaning buffet tables at the Golden Corral of some of their weight. ;) Day 2 - Huntington, WV to Springfield, MO [420-1120] 700 miles. Stops: Lexington, KY, Bardstown, KY, Central City, KY, Paducah, KY, Poplar Bluff, MO First, let me say that Kentucky is a helluva long state, and combined with two major rain events-one on a truck clogged interstate leading into Lexington-that made for some tough sledding. Then there was the exploding luggage incident. Pierre drops from my mirrors and there are no turnouts on this stupid road to double back on. Luckily I'm able to pull off and raise him on the cell phone and he says one of his borrowed saddlebags came undone, and a pair of jeans and some t-shirts had succumbed. A guy in a Harley T-shirt stops in his truck to see if I'm OK, which I thought was nice. "Looks like he was broke down," the man said. We continued slabbing across the state, reaching Paducah around 2. Pierre reported that his voltage keeps dropping. I don't really know what to do except to keep going and see if Brandon's mechanical skills can put things right. I'm sort of in "Energizer Bunny" mode (others who've ridden with me say it's a fearsome sight) and just want to keep going and going, stopping only for gas. Previous thoughts of sightseeing gave way to reality as we ate up the miles. And, we're still getting used to the others riding style and rest needs. And it's getting hot and humid. The ride over the twin bridges at Cairo, Illinois where the Ohio and Mississippi converge is impressive. I've never been west of the Big Muddy on two wheels so this is a first for me. The first bit in Missouri was tough: hot and boring. We reach Poplar Bluff and get Brandon on the phone. I think we are both reassured to know we'll be seeing a familiar and friendly face at the end of the day. US 60 past Poplar Bluff is mildly twisty and I wick up the speed a little and we roll into Springfield and meet Brandon, who comes to lead us to his place. That's much better than trying to follow directions in an unfamiliar town on 14 hours of seat time. We get to Brandon's and the house is abuzz with activity, as Brandon's friends come and go. Then bikes get jockeyed around to clear garage space. These are hardcore motorcycle fanatics, in other words, my kind of people! Pierre's bike gets a thorough going over, connections cleaned, etc. They're still going strong around midnight, but I'm way "past it" and turn in. It's been a tough day, but I still have a sense of accomplishment. Day 3 - Springfield, MO to Greensburg, KS [1120-1520] 400 miles Stops: Coffeyville, Harper, and Coldwater, KS It was great to hang out with Brandon and his friends, including VFR lister Brad Holcomb who stopped by. There was also some cul-de-sac hooliganism to keep everyone entertained. Half these guys are MSF instructors, too, which just goes to show that lace panties don't get handed out when we get our instructor cards! There is also a large pile of "burnout victims" rear tires. Brandon is a great host and while checking Pierre's bike, he notices worn brake pads, so it's off to the Honda shop for new pads. There's a great group of friendly folks in Springfield, who just happen to be serious moto heads as well. Brandon agrees to provide rescue service should we break down. That won't be necessary, as both VFRs are running flawlessly. Reluctantly we say goodbye to Brandon, Frank Gonzales and the whole crew after a much-needed respite following our long day. We really needed the downtime. The planned overnight at Lamar, Colorado, is probably not in the cards, but we'll see how far we can get in Kansas. We're on the road about 2:30, and we blast west into Kansas. Kansas has got to be a throttle-jockey's paradise, where you can ride really fast in a straight line and there's nothing to hit. We're taking US160 across the southern tier of the state and the drill is run at 90-100 mph in a full tuck between town limit signs, then slow, raise visor, sip from CamelBak, hit the town limit, crouch, wick it up and repeat. I also discover the joys of using the passenger pegs to vary the pelvis position. I'm working on the playing with the VFR's various riding positions. My favorite is to lean down with my chest on the tank bags, with my elbows on my knees and then lift my legs on the balls of my feet. That takes the pressure off the thighs, which helps a lot on the stock seat. We see more wildlife, including an armadillo that scurries across the road. Kansas has a subtle beauty and the landscape gets drier and drier as you go west. After a short stop in Coldwater, the town where Christina's grandparents lived, we rolled into Greensburg about 9, following a beautiful sunset. I'd been to Greensburg before and in fact had stayed in the same motel. Greensburg bills itself as the site of the "World's Largest Hand-Dug Well." Hmmm, the towns seem to be increasingly desperate to achieve notoriety the farther west you go. Stay tuned for Part II................ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6A2WGNc004255; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:32:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6A2WGC9004250; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:32:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: FastLanes HP Shootout Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:34:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01c227ba$41311050$1b06030a@5Q39911> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Be there! http://www.fastlanecycles.com/hpshootout8.gif _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6A2gHNc004553; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:42:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6A2gCTM004534; Tue, 9 Jul 2002 22:42:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2BA04F.356181C@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:47:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: Wyoming trip report- part I (long) References: <003501c227b8$03de4800$0e672c42@D7XFG711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WOW! Nothing like a little electrical probs to add fun to a trip! With all the reports of low voltage, have you guys checked your alernator output? Regulator? And those pesky connections. Been thru a few long states - TN, NC, and don't forget VA from the beach to southwestern tip. Or MI from Detroit to the western tip of the UP! I did KY from north to south, a shorty version. Did KS too - jeezoflip, boorrriinnggg. That was the year the national 55 limit went into play and the cops were all over that flat-ass state, no punching out fer me. Gotta tan from all the radar rays. Stay on it! Sounds like a cool ride! Bill Paul Wilson wrote: > Wyoming Trip (Part I) > > First a little background. My wife Christina and I go to Wyoming every > summer to spend a week in a mountain cabin owned by her family. This year I > resolved to ride there. She's the sensible one and flew to Wyoming. Pierre > asked to come along to see the country and visit Yellowstone, so that's how > it began. My bike and touring weapon of choice is a 1995 VFR750 with Givi > hard bags, a GPS, throttle lock and throttle rocker. Everything else is > stock, including the seat. Pierre has a 98 VFR with soft bags and a Corbin > seat. > > Day 1 - Washington, DC to Huntington, WV [0-420] Stops: Greenville, VA, > Marlinton, WV, Mount Nebo, WV > > So, this time, I *vow* I'm not going to have to return home five miles into > the trip because I forgot something. Well, this time, it's about two miles. > I'm rolling along-OK, creeping along 395 in Southwest DC--when I discover I' > m not wearing my CamelBak, so I have to claw my way back home, retrieve said > CamelBak and go on to Pierre's place. I am *so* not going to miss DC's > notorious traffic!! Then the bike won't start. Dead battery. The > combination of three start-ups in close succession, plus stop and go traffic > had apparently drained it. It's also of indeterminate age, having come with > the bike. OK, so I was being cheap for not replacing it. So, we bump > start. Third gear and a steep incline do the trick. Back to Pierre's and > the bike stalls in the alley. Arggh. I'm now pissed beyond words, having > unloaded every expletive in my vocabulary. Push the bike back to the hill, > sweating profusely under my gear. Who says you can't get exercise on a > motorcycle? Get the bike started and crawl along in traffic and witness my > bike dying a slow miserable death. The charging voltage is in the basement > (11 volts, yikes!), fan running non-stop, as I try to rev the engine to get > some juice to the battery. Thoughts of a failing R/R dance in my head as > well as the dread that perhaps the trip is doomed before it's barely begun. > > Finally I get to I-66 west, gain highway speeds and the bike cools off and > the charging voltage begins climbing very slowly and finally levels off at > its normal range. The I4C voltmeter just paid for itself in letting me know > what is going on with my charging system. Phew, that means the system is > fine, but the battery is getting a little tired. I could probably make it > limp along for the entire trip (although tales of old batteries taking out > R/R's are in the back of my mind.) Peace of mind dictated that I stop in > Warrenton, at Blalock's, for a new Yuasa. They had me fixed up with a new > battery in an hour. A questionable battery is not something I want to live > with. > > After that the ride down 211 and I-81 was unremarkable, just lots of > 18-wheelers. We turn off on some back roads and ride VA/WV 39 via Warm > Springs, VA and Marlinton, WV. A very nice ride, albeit a wet one. Due to > the heat I really didn't mind getting wet in my liner-less Motoport Ultra > II. As a veteran of many a soggy bicycle ride, being wet when it's warm is > no big deal. > > By six-the battery trouble had cost us more than an hour-we're still a long > way from our intended overnight at Lexington, Ky., so we decide to ride for > two more hours and call it quits. That turned out to be Huntington, WV, 140 > miles short of the intended target. The trip to Brandon Monnig's place in > Springfield, MO the next day would be 700 miles as a result, but after the > stress of the battery incident and riding lots of twisties (39 and a > splendid stretch of US 60 near Hawk's Nest State Park in WV) we were pooped. > But not too pooped that we couldn't relieve the groaning buffet tables at > the Golden Corral of some of their weight. ;) > > Day 2 - Huntington, WV to Springfield, MO [420-1120] 700 miles. Stops: > Lexington, KY, Bardstown, KY, Central City, KY, Paducah, KY, Poplar Bluff, > MO > > First, let me say that Kentucky is a helluva long state, and combined with > two major rain events-one on a truck clogged interstate leading into > Lexington-that made for some tough sledding. Then there was the exploding > luggage incident. Pierre drops from my mirrors and there are no turnouts on > this stupid road to double back on. Luckily I'm able to pull off and raise > him on the cell phone and he says one of his borrowed saddlebags came > undone, and a pair of jeans and some t-shirts had succumbed. A guy in a > Harley T-shirt stops in his truck to see if I'm OK, which I thought was > nice. "Looks like he was broke down," the man said. > > We continued slabbing across the state, reaching Paducah around 2. Pierre > reported that his voltage keeps dropping. I don't really know what to do > except to keep going and see if Brandon's mechanical skills can put things > right. I'm sort of in "Energizer Bunny" mode (others who've ridden with me > say it's a fearsome sight) and just want to keep going and going, stopping > only for gas. Previous thoughts of sightseeing gave way to reality as we > ate up the miles. And, we're still getting used to the others riding style > and rest needs. And it's getting hot and humid. The ride over the twin > bridges at Cairo, Illinois where the Ohio and Mississippi converge is > impressive. I've never been west of the Big Muddy on two wheels so this is > a first for me. The first bit in Missouri was tough: hot and boring. We > reach Poplar Bluff and get Brandon on the phone. I think we are both > reassured to know we'll be seeing a familiar and friendly face at the end of > the day. > > US 60 past Poplar Bluff is mildly twisty and I wick up the speed a little > and we roll into Springfield and meet Brandon, who comes to lead us to his > place. That's much better than trying to follow directions in an unfamiliar > town on 14 hours of seat time. We get to Brandon's and the house is abuzz > with activity, as Brandon's friends come and go. Then bikes get jockeyed > around to clear garage space. These are hardcore motorcycle fanatics, in > other words, my kind of people! Pierre's bike gets a thorough going over, > connections cleaned, etc. They're still going strong around midnight, but > I'm way "past it" and turn in. It's been a tough day, but I still have a > sense of accomplishment. > > Day 3 - Springfield, MO to Greensburg, KS [1120-1520] 400 miles Stops: > Coffeyville, Harper, and Coldwater, KS > > It was great to hang out with Brandon and his friends, including VFR lister > Brad Holcomb who stopped by. There was also some cul-de-sac hooliganism to > keep everyone entertained. Half these guys are MSF instructors, too, which > just goes to show that lace panties don't get handed out when we get our > instructor cards! There is also a large pile of "burnout victims" rear > tires. Brandon is a great host and while checking Pierre's bike, he notices > worn brake pads, so it's off to the Honda shop for new pads. There's a > great group of friendly folks in Springfield, who just happen to be serious > moto heads as well. Brandon agrees to provide rescue service should we > break down. That won't be necessary, as both VFRs are running flawlessly. > Reluctantly we say goodbye to Brandon, Frank Gonzales and the whole crew > after a much-needed respite following our long day. We really needed the > downtime. The planned overnight at Lamar, Colorado, is probably not in the > cards, but we'll see how far we can get in Kansas. > > We're on the road about 2:30, and we blast west into Kansas. Kansas has got > to be a throttle-jockey's paradise, where you can ride really fast in a > straight line and there's nothing to hit. We're taking US160 across the > southern tier of the state and the drill is run at 90-100 mph in a full tuck > between town limit signs, then slow, raise visor, sip from CamelBak, hit the > town limit, crouch, wick it up and repeat. I also discover the joys of > using the passenger pegs to vary the pelvis position. I'm working on the > playing with the VFR's various riding positions. My favorite is to lean > down with my chest on the tank bags, with my elbows on my knees and then > lift my legs on the balls of my feet. That takes the pressure off the > thighs, which helps a lot on the stock seat. > > We see more wildlife, including an armadillo that scurries across the road. > Kansas has a subtle beauty and the landscape gets drier and drier as you go > west. After a short stop in Coldwater, the town where Christina's > grandparents lived, we rolled into Greensburg about 9, following a beautiful > sunset. I'd been to Greensburg before and in fact had stayed in the same > motel. Greensburg bills itself as the site of the "World's Largest Hand-Dug > Well." Hmmm, the towns seem to be increasingly desperate to achieve > notoriety the farther west you go. > > Stay tuned for Part II................ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AAQsNc006918; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:26:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AAQp4g006904; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:26:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007401c227fb$af2a8870$0e672c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <003501c227b8$03de4800$0e672c42@D7XFG711> <3D2BA04F.356181C@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Wyoming trip report- part I (long) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:22:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Out in Wyo. unless you're doing at least 90, people will ride your bumper until the first opportunity to pass (not that there's much traffic mind you) I think the tumbleweeds move faster than that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" > WOW! Nothing like a little electrical probs to add fun to a trip! With all the > reports of low voltage, have you guys checked your alernator output? > Regulator? And those pesky connections. > > Been thru a few long states - TN, NC, and don't forget VA from the beach to > southwestern tip. Or MI from Detroit to the western tip of the UP! I did KY > from north to south, a shorty version. Did KS too - jeezoflip, boorrriinnggg. > That was the year the national 55 limit went into play and the cops were all > over that flat-ass state, no punching out fer me. Gotta tan from all the radar > rays. > > Stay on it! Sounds like a cool ride! > > Bill > > > Paul Wilson wrote: > > > Wyoming Trip (Part I) > > > > First a little background. My wife Christina and I go to Wyoming every > > summer to spend a week in a mountain cabin owned by her family. This year I > > resolved to ride there. She's the sensible one and flew to Wyoming. Pierre > > asked to come along to see the country and visit Yellowstone, so that's how > > it began. My bike and touring weapon of choice is a 1995 VFR750 with Givi > > hard bags, a GPS, throttle lock and throttle rocker. Everything else is > > stock, including the seat. Pierre has a 98 VFR with soft bags and a Corbin > > seat. > > > > Day 1 - Washington, DC to Huntington, WV [0-420] Stops: Greenville, VA, > > Marlinton, WV, Mount Nebo, WV > > > > So, this time, I *vow* I'm not going to have to return home five miles into > > the trip because I forgot something. Well, this time, it's about two miles. > > I'm rolling along-OK, creeping along 395 in Southwest DC--when I discover I' > > m not wearing my CamelBak, so I have to claw my way back home, retrieve said > > CamelBak and go on to Pierre's place. I am *so* not going to miss DC's > > notorious traffic!! Then the bike won't start. Dead battery. The > > combination of three start-ups in close succession, plus stop and go traffic > > had apparently drained it. It's also of indeterminate age, having come with > > the bike. OK, so I was being cheap for not replacing it. So, we bump > > start. Third gear and a steep incline do the trick. Back to Pierre's and > > the bike stalls in the alley. Arggh. I'm now pissed beyond words, having > > unloaded every expletive in my vocabulary. Push the bike back to the hill, > > sweating profusely under my gear. Who says you can't get exercise on a > > motorcycle? Get the bike started and crawl along in traffic and witness my > > bike dying a slow miserable death. The charging voltage is in the basement > > (11 volts, yikes!), fan running non-stop, as I try to rev the engine to get > > some juice to the battery. Thoughts of a failing R/R dance in my head as > > well as the dread that perhaps the trip is doomed before it's barely begun. > > > > Finally I get to I-66 west, gain highway speeds and the bike cools off and > > the charging voltage begins climbing very slowly and finally levels off at > > its normal range. The I4C voltmeter just paid for itself in letting me know > > what is going on with my charging system. Phew, that means the system is > > fine, but the battery is getting a little tired. I could probably make it > > limp along for the entire trip (although tales of old batteries taking out > > R/R's are in the back of my mind.) Peace of mind dictated that I stop in > > Warrenton, at Blalock's, for a new Yuasa. They had me fixed up with a new > > battery in an hour. A questionable battery is not something I want to live > > with. > > > > After that the ride down 211 and I-81 was unremarkable, just lots of > > 18-wheelers. We turn off on some back roads and ride VA/WV 39 via Warm > > Springs, VA and Marlinton, WV. A very nice ride, albeit a wet one. Due to > > the heat I really didn't mind getting wet in my liner-less Motoport Ultra > > II. As a veteran of many a soggy bicycle ride, being wet when it's warm is > > no big deal. > > > > By six-the battery trouble had cost us more than an hour-we're still a long > > way from our intended overnight at Lexington, Ky., so we decide to ride for > > two more hours and call it quits. That turned out to be Huntington, WV, 140 > > miles short of the intended target. The trip to Brandon Monnig's place in > > Springfield, MO the next day would be 700 miles as a result, but after the > > stress of the battery incident and riding lots of twisties (39 and a > > splendid stretch of US 60 near Hawk's Nest State Park in WV) we were pooped. > > But not too pooped that we couldn't relieve the groaning buffet tables at > > the Golden Corral of some of their weight. ;) > > > > Day 2 - Huntington, WV to Springfield, MO [420-1120] 700 miles. Stops: > > Lexington, KY, Bardstown, KY, Central City, KY, Paducah, KY, Poplar Bluff, > > MO > > > > First, let me say that Kentucky is a helluva long state, and combined with > > two major rain events-one on a truck clogged interstate leading into > > Lexington-that made for some tough sledding. Then there was the exploding > > luggage incident. Pierre drops from my mirrors and there are no turnouts on > > this stupid road to double back on. Luckily I'm able to pull off and raise > > him on the cell phone and he says one of his borrowed saddlebags came > > undone, and a pair of jeans and some t-shirts had succumbed. A guy in a > > Harley T-shirt stops in his truck to see if I'm OK, which I thought was > > nice. "Looks like he was broke down," the man said. > > > > We continued slabbing across the state, reaching Paducah around 2. Pierre > > reported that his voltage keeps dropping. I don't really know what to do > > except to keep going and see if Brandon's mechanical skills can put things > > right. I'm sort of in "Energizer Bunny" mode (others who've ridden with me > > say it's a fearsome sight) and just want to keep going and going, stopping > > only for gas. Previous thoughts of sightseeing gave way to reality as we > > ate up the miles. And, we're still getting used to the others riding style > > and rest needs. And it's getting hot and humid. The ride over the twin > > bridges at Cairo, Illinois where the Ohio and Mississippi converge is > > impressive. I've never been west of the Big Muddy on two wheels so this is > > a first for me. The first bit in Missouri was tough: hot and boring. We > > reach Poplar Bluff and get Brandon on the phone. I think we are both > > reassured to know we'll be seeing a familiar and friendly face at the end of > > the day. > > > > US 60 past Poplar Bluff is mildly twisty and I wick up the speed a little > > and we roll into Springfield and meet Brandon, who comes to lead us to his > > place. That's much better than trying to follow directions in an unfamiliar > > town on 14 hours of seat time. We get to Brandon's and the house is abuzz > > with activity, as Brandon's friends come and go. Then bikes get jockeyed > > around to clear garage space. These are hardcore motorcycle fanatics, in > > other words, my kind of people! Pierre's bike gets a thorough going over, > > connections cleaned, etc. They're still going strong around midnight, but > > I'm way "past it" and turn in. It's been a tough day, but I still have a > > sense of accomplishment. > > > > Day 3 - Springfield, MO to Greensburg, KS [1120-1520] 400 miles Stops: > > Coffeyville, Harper, and Coldwater, KS > > > > It was great to hang out with Brandon and his friends, including VFR lister > > Brad Holcomb who stopped by. There was also some cul-de-sac hooliganism to > > keep everyone entertained. Half these guys are MSF instructors, too, which > > just goes to show that lace panties don't get handed out when we get our > > instructor cards! There is also a large pile of "burnout victims" rear > > tires. Brandon is a great host and while checking Pierre's bike, he notices > > worn brake pads, so it's off to the Honda shop for new pads. There's a > > great group of friendly folks in Springfield, who just happen to be serious > > moto heads as well. Brandon agrees to provide rescue service should we > > break down. That won't be necessary, as both VFRs are running flawlessly. > > Reluctantly we say goodbye to Brandon, Frank Gonzales and the whole crew > > after a much-needed respite following our long day. We really needed the > > downtime. The planned overnight at Lamar, Colorado, is probably not in the > > cards, but we'll see how far we can get in Kansas. > > > > We're on the road about 2:30, and we blast west into Kansas. Kansas has got > > to be a throttle-jockey's paradise, where you can ride really fast in a > > straight line and there's nothing to hit. We're taking US160 across the > > southern tier of the state and the drill is run at 90-100 mph in a full tuck > > between town limit signs, then slow, raise visor, sip from CamelBak, hit the > > town limit, crouch, wick it up and repeat. I also discover the joys of > > using the passenger pegs to vary the pelvis position. I'm working on the > > playing with the VFR's various riding positions. My favorite is to lean > > down with my chest on the tank bags, with my elbows on my knees and then > > lift my legs on the balls of my feet. That takes the pressure off the > > thighs, which helps a lot on the stock seat. > > > > We see more wildlife, including an armadillo that scurries across the road. > > Kansas has a subtle beauty and the landscape gets drier and drier as you go > > west. After a short stop in Coldwater, the town where Christina's > > grandparents lived, we rolled into Greensburg about 9, following a beautiful > > sunset. I'd been to Greensburg before and in fact had stayed in the same > > motel. Greensburg bills itself as the site of the "World's Largest Hand-Dug > > Well." Hmmm, the towns seem to be increasingly desperate to achieve > > notoriety the farther west you go. > > > > Stay tuned for Part II................ > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ACTKNc007674; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:29:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ACTHTl007660; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:29:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'Tom Gimer'" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Aki Damme'" Subject: Tassel and card mod Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:29:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved To: --- Aki Damme wrote: > > ah...you guys are just jealous when us Harley guys > recommend something. ;-) >>what do you recommend with respect to putting tassels at >>the ends of my bars? If you go with the handlebar tassels.... you definitely need the playing card/clothes-pin mod to the spokes of both front and back wheels. gb _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ACqBNc008029; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:52:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ACqA0k008024; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:52:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020710084412.00ba8e60@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:51:57 -0400 To: "'DC Cycles'" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Tassel and card mod In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:29 AM 7/10/2002 -0400, Bruhl, George LT wrote: >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) >From: Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved >To: --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > ah...you guys are just jealous when us Harley guys > > recommend something. ;-) > > >>what do you recommend with respect to putting tassels at > >>the ends of my bars? > > >If you go with the handlebar tassels.... you definitely need the playing >card/clothes-pin mod to the spokes of both front and back wheels. > >gb That's only an option on the newer Twincam models. All Evo bikes require the 27B mod, which at the moment, due to it's huge popularity from the RUB contingent, is on indefinite backorder. Custom Chrome is supposed to have a knock-off of the gen-u-wine HD accessory but the chrome cards are made in Taiwan and after a few miles, tends to crack and peel and throws bits of chrome in the riders eyes. CC has solved the problem with their new "Anti-Chrome Fleck Goggles" for $149.95. MCN is supposed to do a review of the cards in the next few months but they're waiting to get HD's version for a comparison test. 8-P _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ADCJNc008369; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:12:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ADCJYg008365; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:12:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2C3402.4B9709B0@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:17:54 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Tassel and card mod References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020710084412.00ba8e60@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chrome problems solved, Aki! All Harley chrome is cheesy single plate, and if you allow your Hawg to get wet *shiver shiver* you quickly learn that rust never sleeps. Solution, be an RUB and never let your ride get damp, or remove all chrome and send it out to get powder coated in clear! You can slightly tint the clear with blue, gold, of bronze for taht added pizzazz. Way cool! OTT expensive too. Being a cheap bugger, I'm thinking of removing the chrome and doing alternate pieces is Safety Orange and Hi-Viz Yellow! Maybe go with Mauve handlebar tassels! Bill Aki Damme wrote: > That's only an option on the newer Twincam models. All Evo bikes require > the 27B mod, which at the moment, due to it's huge popularity from the RUB > contingent, is on indefinite backorder. > > Custom Chrome is supposed to have a knock-off of the gen-u-wine HD accessory > but the chrome cards are made in Taiwan and after a few miles, tends to > crack and peel > and throws bits of chrome in the riders eyes. CC has solved the problem > with their > new "Anti-Chrome Fleck Goggles" for $149.95. > > MCN is supposed to do a review of the cards in the next few months but > they're waiting to get HD's version > for a comparison test. > > 8-P _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ADEiNc008522; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:14:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ADEi7C008516; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:14:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020710091355.00b9da40@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:14:30 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Tassel and card mod Cc: "'DC Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <3D2C3402.4B9709B0@patriot.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020710084412.00ba8e60@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:17 AM 7/10/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Chrome problems solved, Aki! All Harley chrome is cheesy single plate, and if >you allow your Hawg to get wet *shiver shiver* you quickly learn that rust >never >sleeps. Solution, be an RUB and never let your ride get damp, or remove all >chrome and send it out to get powder coated in clear! You can slightly >tint the >clear with blue, gold, of bronze for taht added pizzazz. Way cool! OTT >expensive too. Being a cheap bugger, I'm thinking of removing the chrome and >doing alternate pieces is Safety Orange and Hi-Viz Yellow! Maybe go with >Mauve >handlebar tassels! > >Bill Ye GAD Man! "Get wet"???? Doesn't that void the warranty????? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ADTANc008942; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:29:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ADTAE2008934; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:29:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020710132858.39586.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Wyoming trip report- part I (long) To: Paul Wilson , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: <003501c227b8$03de4800$0e672c42@D7XFG711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Great reading Paul. Keep it coming! Mark --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Wyoming Trip (Part I) > > > First a little background. My wife Christina and I > go to Wyoming every > summer to spend a week in a mountain cabin owned by > her family. This year I > resolved to ride there. She's the sensible one and > flew to Wyoming. Pierre > asked to come along to see the country and visit > Yellowstone, so that's how > it began. My bike and touring weapon of choice is a > 1995 VFR750 with Givi > hard bags, a GPS, throttle lock and throttle rocker. > Everything else is > stock, including the seat. Pierre has a 98 VFR with > soft bags and a Corbin > seat. > > Day 1 - Washington, DC to Huntington, WV [0-420] > Stops: Greenville, VA, > Marlinton, WV, Mount Nebo, WV > > So, this time, I *vow* I'm not going to have to > return home five miles into > the trip because I forgot something. Well, this > time, it's about two miles. > I'm rolling along-OK, creeping along 395 in > Southwest DC--when I discover I' > m not wearing my CamelBak, so I have to claw my way > back home, retrieve said > CamelBak and go on to Pierre's place. I am *so* not > going to miss DC's > notorious traffic!! Then the bike won't start. > Dead battery. The > combination of three start-ups in close succession, > plus stop and go traffic > had apparently drained it. It's also of > indeterminate age, having come with > the bike. OK, so I was being cheap for not > replacing it. So, we bump > start. Third gear and a steep incline do the trick. > Back to Pierre's and > the bike stalls in the alley. Arggh. I'm now > pissed beyond words, having > unloaded every expletive in my vocabulary. Push the > bike back to the hill, > sweating profusely under my gear. Who says you > can't get exercise on a > motorcycle? Get the bike started and crawl along in > traffic and witness my > bike dying a slow miserable death. The charging > voltage is in the basement > (11 volts, yikes!), fan running non-stop, as I try > to rev the engine to get > some juice to the battery. Thoughts of a failing > R/R dance in my head as > well as the dread that perhaps the trip is doomed > before it's barely begun. > > Finally I get to I-66 west, gain highway speeds and > the bike cools off and > the charging voltage begins climbing very slowly and > finally levels off at > its normal range. The I4C voltmeter just paid for > itself in letting me know > what is going on with my charging system. Phew, > that means the system is > fine, but the battery is getting a little tired. I > could probably make it > limp along for the entire trip (although tales of > old batteries taking out > R/R's are in the back of my mind.) Peace of mind > dictated that I stop in > Warrenton, at Blalock's, for a new Yuasa. They had > me fixed up with a new > battery in an hour. A questionable battery is not > something I want to live > with. > > After that the ride down 211 and I-81 was > unremarkable, just lots of > 18-wheelers. We turn off on some back roads and > ride VA/WV 39 via Warm > Springs, VA and Marlinton, WV. A very nice ride, > albeit a wet one. Due to > the heat I really didn't mind getting wet in my > liner-less Motoport Ultra > II. As a veteran of many a soggy bicycle ride, > being wet when it's warm is > no big deal. > > By six-the battery trouble had cost us more than an > hour-we're still a long > way from our intended overnight at Lexington, Ky., > so we decide to ride for > two more hours and call it quits. That turned out > to be Huntington, WV, 140 > miles short of the intended target. The trip to > Brandon Monnig's place in > Springfield, MO the next day would be 700 miles as a > result, but after the > stress of the battery incident and riding lots of > twisties (39 and a > splendid stretch of US 60 near Hawk's Nest State > Park in WV) we were pooped. > But not too pooped that we couldn't relieve the > groaning buffet tables at > the Golden Corral of some of their weight. ;) > > Day 2 - Huntington, WV to Springfield, MO > [420-1120] 700 miles. Stops: > Lexington, KY, Bardstown, KY, Central City, KY, > Paducah, KY, Poplar Bluff, > MO > > First, let me say that Kentucky is a helluva long > state, and combined with > two major rain events-one on a truck clogged > interstate leading into > Lexington-that made for some tough sledding. Then > there was the exploding > luggage incident. Pierre drops from my mirrors and > there are no turnouts on > this stupid road to double back on. Luckily I'm > able to pull off and raise > him on the cell phone and he says one of his > borrowed saddlebags came > undone, and a pair of jeans and some t-shirts had > succumbed. A guy in a > Harley T-shirt stops in his truck to see if I'm OK, > which I thought was > nice. "Looks like he was broke down," the man said. > > We continued slabbing across the state, reaching > Paducah around 2. Pierre > reported that his voltage keeps dropping. I don't > really know what to do > except to keep going and see if Brandon's mechanical > skills can put things > right. I'm sort of in "Energizer Bunny" mode > (others who've ridden with me > say it's a fearsome sight) and just want to keep > going and going, stopping > only for gas. Previous thoughts of sightseeing gave > way to reality as we > ate up the miles. And, we're still getting used to > the others riding style > and rest needs. And it's getting hot and humid. > The ride over the twin > bridges at Cairo, Illinois where the Ohio and > Mississippi converge is > impressive. I've never been west of the Big Muddy > on two wheels so this is > a first for me. The first bit in Missouri was > tough: hot and boring. We > reach Poplar Bluff and get Brandon on the phone. I > think we are both > reassured to know we'll be seeing a familiar and > friendly face at the end of > the day. > > US 60 past Poplar Bluff is mildly twisty and I wick > up the speed a little > and we roll into Springfield and meet Brandon, who > comes to lead us to his > place. That's much better than trying to follow > directions in an unfamiliar > town on 14 hours of seat time. We get to Brandon's > and the house is abuzz > with activity, as Brandon's friends come and go. > Then bikes get jockeyed > around to clear garage space. These are hardcore > motorcycle fanatics, in > other words, my kind of people! Pierre's bike gets > a thorough going over, > connections cleaned, etc. They're still going > strong around midnight, but > I'm way "past it" and turn in. It's been a tough > day, but I still have a > sense of accomplishment. > > > Day 3 - Springfield, MO to Greensburg, KS > [1120-1520] 400 miles Stops: > Coffeyville, Harper, and Coldwater, KS > > > > It was great to hang out with Brandon and his > friends, including VFR lister > Brad Holcomb who stopped by. There was also some > cul-de-sac hooliganism to > keep everyone entertained. Half these guys are MSF > instructors, too, which > just goes to show that lace panties don't get handed > out when we get our > instructor cards! There is also a large pile of > "burnout victims" rear > tires. Brandon is a great host and while checking > Pierre's bike, he notices > === message truncated === ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ADXTNc009104; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:33:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ADXS0T009096; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:33:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Stevens John R DLVA To: "DC Cycles Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Spam Alert Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:33:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" FINALLY, after much wailing and gnashing of teeth, I have my new bike. All I can say is, WOO HOO! (And there was much rejoicing.) If anyone is interested, I'm selling the old one... will probably put it on eBay if there aren't any bites here. 1977 Suzuki GS750 approx. 16,900 miles Excellent condition, runs well, no cracks or tears in the leather New battery approx. 1500 miles on rubber Recent carburetor service (new needles and sets) All new filters Vance & Hines 4-1 exhaust Memphis Demon windscreen Great starter bike, looking in the neighborhood of $1000. E-mail me off-list for pics or if interested..... TIA, John Stevens '02 VFR '77 GS750 (for sale) Waldorf, MD _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ADZANc009250; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:35:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ADZ9La009245; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:35:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020710133454.53684.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: re: Back from Wyo. To: Pierre C , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with you that the VFR is the perfect mount for your trip. I took my 91 from DC to SF once, and it just purrrrred the entire time. Kansas is a fast state, 100+. Isn't is strange to average over 100mph for hours? Time really changes, what would take 2 hours takes a little over 1. But you can almost watch the gas guage moving.... Mark --- Pierre C wrote: > I think Paul forgot to say that travelling by bike > across the mississippi is > something every biker should do. I had just about > the time of my life > between riding backroads in america, and visiting > the yellowstone. My mind > is full of colors right now green, blue, brown and > .... the pink of the > canyons. Lots of straight endless roads that seemed > to lead right into the > sunset, lots of wind bending your bike over and over > (like in Iowa), lots of > astonished people looking at our gear: in Kansas we > were asked if we were > firemen, and otherwise most just wondered how could > we stand the heat with > all those clothes on. Hard to explain the wonders > of new materials. > Entering the yellowstone from the dry extended > monotonous and overwhelming > planes of wyoming was also a great experience with > the landscape becoming > populated by huge pink stones. It's hard not to > feel like an indian worrior > at that point. Then the pink becomes bright green, > with all the marvels of > the yellowstone around it. The bikes only asked for > gas, sometime lots of > it: in wyoming my bike hit 135 miles per hour at > some points. Paul was much > more steady with constant speeds, but even him had > to hit 110 or hold 100 > miles per hour for long stretches. I was listening > to the nine inch nails, > and it was just perfect. We never had a problem, > and paul was the greatest > navigator. We never stayed on highways for too > long, except when paul got > afraid he was going to be late for work and we did a > stretch of perhaps 150 > miles on the highway, but then we got too bored and > headed back for the > backroads. Again, the bikes just handled the work > greatly. Everyone should > go out west on their motorcycle to clear out their > minds, and also the vfr > was the best machine to do it: great comfort with a > corbin seat, no problems > whatsoever except my 207 dunlop back tire lasted > only 5k miles. We rode > through temperatures that ranged from 49F to 105F. > The machines didn't ever > blink an eye. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AE2oNc009842; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:02:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AE2nV1009836; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:02:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C94CE@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved (tolls) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:03:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >From what I've read the tolls on the 267 are supposed to go to the Metro line that is to go on it. I also thought I head that all of 95 had tolls at one point but the southern states removed them once it was paid for. I'm younger so this was probably before my time. From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:17 PM [Dave] I'm not so offended by the greenway, as I am the Dulles toll road portion (267), which is already paid for. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AEHPNc010171; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:17:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AEHPjR010167; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:17:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2C4345.A7738C42@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:23:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Hall CC: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved (tolls) References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C94CE@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rich Hall wrote: > I also thought I head that all of 95 had tolls at one point but the southern > states removed them once it was paid for. I'm younger so this was probably > before my time. Nope. North of Baltimore MD the tolls started and didn't seem to end. The JFK portion of 95 was a toll road, then the Jersey Trpk. Going south the only toll I encountered was the 25 cent baskets on the Richmond/Petersburg Turnpike which I believe was a privately funded road back in the `60s. I forgot when they yanked the toll on that 30 mile stretch. I can't recall any southern state exacting a toll on 95, which in my young pup cruising days was still unfinished. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AEM6Nc010337; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:22:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AEM6N1010332; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:22:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 10 Jul 2002 14:21:52 GMT Message-ID: <002601c2281f$21997ec0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Fw: Charity Track day at Summit Point Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:36:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a message for the NESBA organization that I thought I would pass on to you all. NESBA is a great way to get your bike out on the track...they are an extremely safety-conscious organization and make your day at the track so much fun!!!! If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blandford" To: "laura granato" Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Charity Track day at Summit Point laura NESBA, MADOC, and Summit Point Raceway to Hold Charity Track Day Washington, D.C. (July 10)-The Northeast Sportbike Association (NESBA), Mid-Atlantic Ducati Owners Club (MADOC), and Summit Point Raceway will be holding a charity track day on August 21, 2002 at the Summit Point main course, Summit Point, W.V. All event proceeds will go to South Jefferson Elementary. Riders of all skill levels with any make of motorcycle are welcome to sign up and experience the thrill of riding on the racetrack-a safe, and controlled alternative to the street. If that isn't reason enough to sign up, they can also feel good about contributing to a very worthwhile cause. "We are very excited about our involvement in this event," said David Terry, events coordinator of MADOC. "Our club is viewing this as the first in what will hopefully become an annual event. We are also privileged to be working with two such great organizations as NESBA and Summit Point Raceway. We would like to encourage all riders to come down to beautiful West Virginia and experience the challenging main track. In particular, we would like to see lots of Ducati's and other Italian motorcycles." MADOC is a private club of Ducati enthusiasts in the Washington D.C. area, but a Ducati is not needed to join or ride with the club. It holds rides least once a month and many members participate in track days. For more information on MADOC, visit www.mad-ducati.com. NESBA is a nonprofit organization that sponsors track days across the country to get riders off the street and give them safe riding instruction. This track day will be run as NESBA's events do, with riders grouped by skill level: beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Control riders will be present to offer instruction and guidance. In addition, a raffle for lots of great prizes will be held during the lunch break. For this event, NESBA is waiving its membership fee, so if you have never been on the track, now is a great time to try it. The event will cost $150.00, we will not be providing lunch. "It should be a great time for both street riders and experienced racers. Not only can you get track time, but you can help South Jefferson Elementary while you ride," said Bob Blandford, NESBA president. "We're happy to be helping with this event." Summit Point will be hosting the event and will be donating all services for the event. Summit Point Raceway is a challenging 10-turn, two mile asphalt road racing circuit set in the pastoral Shenandoah Valley, located only 70 miles from the Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, Md. metropolitan areas. The course combines slow and fast bends, with a 3,000 ft. straightaway and considerable vertical relief. It is one of the most challenging circuits in the nation. Motor sports events occur every weekend from March through November, with various BSR schools occupying weekdays. To sign up for this charity event, go to www.nesba.com or call 1-877-AT-NESBA. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AENDNc010480; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:23:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AENDgo010475; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:23:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:08:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101408.g6AE8YI06641@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: 267 / etc... >From what I've read the tolls on the 267 are supposed to go to the Metro line that is to go on it. I also thought I head that all of 95 had tolls at one point but the southern states removed them once it was paid for. I'm younger so this was probably before my time. [Dave] 267 is paid off, and has been for several years. It is refinanced every year, and the proceeds - all of them - are put in the general transportation fund to contribute to "Northern Virginia Transportation projects". When Gilmore was in office, he was on "Ax da Governor" so I asked about losing the tolls. He said as long as we could find a way to make up the money, he'd be for it... We see what that got him... Needing or government advocacy of tolls & toll roads is a positive sign of living 'beyond their means'. When we live beyond our means, as individuals & families, we curtail our spending... Dave -- Sponsored by: Want to play blackjack online? How about a good game of poker? Want to place a bet on the big game? Or just play some Roulette? Come to SearchGambling.com where you can search for it all! http://www.searchgambling.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AEXVNc010913; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:33:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AEXS7x010894; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:33:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Charity Track day at Summit Point Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:37:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Will they require that you wear leathers, safety wire your bike and remove mirrors, headlights etc? Thanks in advance! -Brad W -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:36 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fw: Charity Track day at Summit Point This is a message for the NESBA organization that I thought I would pass on to you all. NESBA is a great way to get your bike out on the track...they are an extremely safety-conscious organization and make your day at the track so much fun!!!! If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Blandford" To: "laura granato" Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Charity Track day at Summit Point laura NESBA, MADOC, and Summit Point Raceway to Hold Charity Track Day Washington, D.C. (July 10)-The Northeast Sportbike Association (NESBA), Mid-Atlantic Ducati Owners Club (MADOC), and Summit Point Raceway will be holding a charity track day on August 21, 2002 at the Summit Point main course, Summit Point, W.V. All event proceeds will go to South Jefferson Elementary. Riders of all skill levels with any make of motorcycle are welcome to sign up and experience the thrill of riding on the racetrack-a safe, and controlled alternative to the street. If that isn't reason enough to sign up, they can also feel good about contributing to a very worthwhile cause. "We are very excited about our involvement in this event," said David Terry, events coordinator of MADOC. "Our club is viewing this as the first in what will hopefully become an annual event. We are also privileged to be working with two such great organizations as NESBA and Summit Point Raceway. We would like to encourage all riders to come down to beautiful West Virginia and experience the challenging main track. In particular, we would like to see lots of Ducati's and other Italian motorcycles." MADOC is a private club of Ducati enthusiasts in the Washington D.C. area, but a Ducati is not needed to join or ride with the club. It holds rides least once a month and many members participate in track days. For more information on MADOC, visit www.mad-ducati.com. NESBA is a nonprofit organization that sponsors track days across the country to get riders off the street and give them safe riding instruction. This track day will be run as NESBA's events do, with riders grouped by skill level: beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Control riders will be present to offer instruction and guidance. In addition, a raffle for lots of great prizes will be held during the lunch break. For this event, NESBA is waiving its membership fee, so if you have never been on the track, now is a great time to try it. The event will cost $150.00, we will not be providing lunch. "It should be a great time for both street riders and experienced racers. Not only can you get track time, but you can help South Jefferson Elementary while you ride," said Bob Blandford, NESBA president. "We're happy to be helping with this event." Summit Point will be hosting the event and will be donating all services for the event. Summit Point Raceway is a challenging 10-turn, two mile asphalt road racing circuit set in the pastoral Shenandoah Valley, located only 70 miles from the Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, Md. metropolitan areas. The course combines slow and fast bends, with a 3,000 ft. straightaway and considerable vertical relief. It is one of the most challenging circuits in the nation. Motor sports events occur every weekend from March through November, with various BSR schools occupying weekdays. To sign up for this charity event, go to www.nesba.com or call 1-877-AT-NESBA. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AGbdNc011948; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:37:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AGbcXe011940; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:37:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020710163726.71932.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: SV 650 for sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am coming out of hiding to sell my wifes SV. It is blue with about 6500 miles. Been lowered through a combination of shorter dogbones, forks, and seat. Approximatly three inches low. I have the origional bones and seat. The new seat is a sargent with matching blue piping. Also has ventura rack, heated grips, and auxilary power cord for standard cigarette lighter type plug. Mail me at trey_22206@XXXXXX or call me at 571-277-8498. $3700 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AGekNc012112; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:40:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AGekUq012105; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:40:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020710164033.39769.qmail@web11004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Monster for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The wife has a friend who want to sell a bike. 2000 750 monster, yellow, 2,100 mi. this is all I know. Call him at 301-896-0030. or mail to avirami3@XXXXXX __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AHO1Nc012659; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:24:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AHO1UN012655; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:24:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C953E@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: accident this morning Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:24:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Early this morning, I heard on the traffic report, that there was a motorcycle accident in MD and the rider was being removed by helicopter, any one hear any more on this? I think it was along the 270 corridor, but they said it wasn't affecting 270. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AHcHNc012970; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:38:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AHcEDC012954; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:38:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C953E@SERVER1> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C953E@SERVER1> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:38:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Erick Singley Subject: Re: accident this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Early this morning, I heard on the traffic report, that there was a >motorcycle accident in MD and the rider was being removed by helicopter, any >one hear any more on this? I think it was along the 270 corridor, but they >said it wasn't affecting 270. Traffic was very slow from Frederick (mile 31) down to mile 11 southbound when I passed by at 9:30 or so. I saw a flatbed tow truck at that point - but only a car on top. I was too busy watching the guy in front of me rubberneck, (not keeping a constant speed) and seeing if there was any fluid on the ground to avoid. If there was a cycle, it was on the other side of the flatbed, and I didn't see it. Maybe it was Northbound, earlier in the morning, since I can't image a helicopter landing not affecting 270 commuters otherwise? (slowing to gawk) Erick - 74' CB750 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AHonNc013411; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:50:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AHonBL013404; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:50:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9553@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: accident this morning Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:51:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I meant in around the 270 side of MD, not on 270, I didn't make that clear. -----Original Message----- From: Erick Singley [mailto:singley@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:38 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: accident this morning >Early this morning, I heard on the traffic report, that there was a >motorcycle accident in MD and the rider was being removed by helicopter, any >one hear any more on this? I think it was along the 270 corridor, but they >said it wasn't affecting 270. Traffic was very slow from Frederick (mile 31) down to mile 11 southbound when I passed by at 9:30 or so. I saw a flatbed tow truck at that point - but only a car on top. I was too busy watching the guy in front of me rubberneck, (not keeping a constant speed) and seeing if there was any fluid on the ground to avoid. If there was a cycle, it was on the other side of the flatbed, and I didn't see it. Maybe it was Northbound, earlier in the morning, since I can't image a helicopter landing not affecting 270 commuters otherwise? (slowing to gawk) Erick - 74' CB750 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AI0NNc013801; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:00:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AI0MHR013795; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:00:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 10 Jul 2002 18:00:07 GMT Message-ID: <008401c2283d$9f0646e0$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Wynn, Brad" , References: Subject: Re: Charity Track day at Summit Point Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:14:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 if you go to nesba.org there is information on there...you just have to tape your mirrors, headlights, etc. you will probably have to safety wire the oil drain plus, but that's it. sometimes they will let you wear two pairs of jeans instead of leathers (but I wouldn't recommend it). these track days are a total blast! I would highly recommend it if you're thinking about trying out the track. It will teach you a lot about how to ride on the street better, too. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynn, Brad" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: RE: Charity Track day at Summit Point > Will they require that you wear leathers, safety wire your bike and remove > mirrors, headlights etc? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Brad W > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fw: Charity Track day at Summit Point > > > This is a message for the NESBA organization that I thought I would pass on > to you all. NESBA is a great way to get your bike out on the track...they > are an extremely safety-conscious organization and make your day at the > track so much fun!!!! If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. > > Laura > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Blandford" > To: "laura granato" > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:58 PM > Subject: Charity Track day at Summit Point > > > laura > > NESBA, MADOC, and Summit Point Raceway to Hold Charity Track Day > > Washington, D.C. (July 10)-The Northeast Sportbike Association (NESBA), > Mid-Atlantic Ducati Owners Club (MADOC), and Summit Point Raceway will be > holding a charity track day on August 21, 2002 at the Summit Point main > course, Summit Point, W.V. All event proceeds will go to South Jefferson > Elementary. > > Riders of all skill levels with any make of motorcycle are welcome to sign > up and experience the thrill of riding on the racetrack-a safe, and > controlled alternative to the street. If that isn't reason enough to sign > up, they can also feel good about contributing to a very worthwhile cause. > > "We are very excited about our involvement in this event," said David Terry, > events coordinator of MADOC. "Our club is viewing this as the first in what > will hopefully become an annual event. We are also privileged to be working > with two such great organizations as NESBA and Summit Point Raceway. We > would like to encourage all riders to come down to beautiful West Virginia > and experience the challenging main track. In particular, we would like to > see lots of Ducati's and other Italian motorcycles." > > MADOC is a private club of Ducati enthusiasts in the Washington D.C. area, > but a Ducati is not needed to join or ride with the club. It holds rides > least once a month and many members participate in track days. For more > information on MADOC, visit www.mad-ducati.com. > > NESBA is a nonprofit organization that sponsors track days across the > country to get riders off the street and give them safe riding instruction. > This track day will be run as NESBA's events do, with riders grouped by > skill level: beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Control riders will be > present to offer instruction and guidance. In addition, a raffle for lots of > great prizes will be held during the lunch break. For this event, NESBA is > waiving its membership fee, so if you have never been on the track, now is a > great time to try it. The event will cost $150.00, we will not be providing > lunch. > > "It should be a great time for both street riders and experienced racers. > Not only can you get track time, but you can help South Jefferson Elementary > while you ride," said Bob Blandford, NESBA president. "We're happy to be > helping with this event." > > Summit Point will be hosting the event and will be donating all services for > the event. > > Summit Point Raceway is a challenging 10-turn, two mile asphalt road racing > circuit set in the pastoral Shenandoah Valley, located only 70 miles from > the Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, Md. metropolitan areas. The course > combines slow and fast bends, with a 3,000 ft. straightaway and considerable > vertical relief. It is one of the most challenging circuits in the nation. > Motor sports events occur every weekend from March through November, with > various BSR schools occupying weekdays. > > To sign up for this charity event, go to www.nesba.com or call > 1-877-AT-NESBA. > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AI1GNc013853; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:01:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AI1FKc013847; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:01:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Charity Track day at Summit Point Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:05:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Laura! -Brad W -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:14 PM To: Wynn, Brad; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Charity Track day at Summit Point if you go to nesba.org there is information on there...you just have to tape your mirrors, headlights, etc. you will probably have to safety wire the oil drain plus, but that's it. sometimes they will let you wear two pairs of jeans instead of leathers (but I wouldn't recommend it). these track days are a total blast! I would highly recommend it if you're thinking about trying out the track. It will teach you a lot about how to ride on the street better, too. Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wynn, Brad" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: RE: Charity Track day at Summit Point > Will they require that you wear leathers, safety wire your bike and remove > mirrors, headlights etc? > > Thanks in advance! > > -Brad W > > -----Original Message----- > From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:36 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Fw: Charity Track day at Summit Point > > > This is a message for the NESBA organization that I thought I would pass on > to you all. NESBA is a great way to get your bike out on the track...they > are an extremely safety-conscious organization and make your day at the > track so much fun!!!! If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. > > Laura > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Blandford" > To: "laura granato" > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:58 PM > Subject: Charity Track day at Summit Point > > > laura > > NESBA, MADOC, and Summit Point Raceway to Hold Charity Track Day > > Washington, D.C. (July 10)-The Northeast Sportbike Association (NESBA), > Mid-Atlantic Ducati Owners Club (MADOC), and Summit Point Raceway will be > holding a charity track day on August 21, 2002 at the Summit Point main > course, Summit Point, W.V. All event proceeds will go to South Jefferson > Elementary. > > Riders of all skill levels with any make of motorcycle are welcome to sign > up and experience the thrill of riding on the racetrack-a safe, and > controlled alternative to the street. If that isn't reason enough to sign > up, they can also feel good about contributing to a very worthwhile cause. > > "We are very excited about our involvement in this event," said David Terry, > events coordinator of MADOC. "Our club is viewing this as the first in what > will hopefully become an annual event. We are also privileged to be working > with two such great organizations as NESBA and Summit Point Raceway. We > would like to encourage all riders to come down to beautiful West Virginia > and experience the challenging main track. In particular, we would like to > see lots of Ducati's and other Italian motorcycles." > > MADOC is a private club of Ducati enthusiasts in the Washington D.C. area, > but a Ducati is not needed to join or ride with the club. It holds rides > least once a month and many members participate in track days. For more > information on MADOC, visit www.mad-ducati.com. > > NESBA is a nonprofit organization that sponsors track days across the > country to get riders off the street and give them safe riding instruction. > This track day will be run as NESBA's events do, with riders grouped by > skill level: beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Control riders will be > present to offer instruction and guidance. In addition, a raffle for lots of > great prizes will be held during the lunch break. For this event, NESBA is > waiving its membership fee, so if you have never been on the track, now is a > great time to try it. The event will cost $150.00, we will not be providing > lunch. > > "It should be a great time for both street riders and experienced racers. > Not only can you get track time, but you can help South Jefferson Elementary > while you ride," said Bob Blandford, NESBA president. "We're happy to be > helping with this event." > > Summit Point will be hosting the event and will be donating all services for > the event. > > Summit Point Raceway is a challenging 10-turn, two mile asphalt road racing > circuit set in the pastoral Shenandoah Valley, located only 70 miles from > the Washington, D.C. and Baltimore, Md. metropolitan areas. The course > combines slow and fast bends, with a 3,000 ft. straightaway and considerable > vertical relief. It is one of the most challenging circuits in the nation. > Motor sports events occur every weekend from March through November, with > various BSR schools occupying weekdays. > > To sign up for this charity event, go to www.nesba.com or call > 1-877-AT-NESBA. > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AIMTNc014803; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:22:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AIMTFW014799; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [216.181.161.134] From: "Pejman Taei" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Places to ride a Dirt Bike??? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:21:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2002 18:21:16.0875 (UTC) FILETIME=[94C3F9B0:01C2283E] Anyone know of any open fields or any public or private property that is legal to ride a dirtbike around. Any help would be greatly appriciated. Thanks, PJ '00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 '98 Honda CR 250 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AIcmNc015179; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:38:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AIcl5B015168; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:38:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020710183837.82584.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Wyoming trip report- part I (long) To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3D2BA04F.356181C@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think the digesters will enjoy these more if they don't have to wade through the entire trip report each time there is a response. -- tg (eagerly awaiting part ii) --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > WOW! Nothing like a little electrical probs to add fun > to a trip! With all the > reports of low voltage, have you guys checked your > alernator output? > Regulator? And those pesky connections. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AIj2Nc015369; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:45:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AIj2Q5015364; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:45:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020710184453.44139.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:44:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tassel and card mod To: "Bruhl, George LT" Cc: "'DC Cycles'" , "'Aki Damme'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Bruhl, George LT" wrote: > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Subject: RE: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved > To: --- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > ah...you guys are just jealous when us Harley guys > > recommend something. ;-) > > >>what do you recommend with respect to putting tassels > at > >>the ends of my bars? > > > If you go with the handlebar tassels.... you definitely > need the playing > card/clothes-pin mod to the spokes of both front and back > wheels. my wheels don't have spokes. oh well. i have a few more questions: 1. my 45-day tag expired. where can i get another? they seem to be very popular. 2. my bike doesn't seem to want to lean in the turns, no matter how hard i brake. is there a solution here? 3. does h-d make disposable undergarments? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AIpBNc015655; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:51:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AIpBY2015650; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:51:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020710185103.95555.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:51:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Places to ride a Dirt Bike??? To: Pejman Taei , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii if you have a means of getting the bike there, the gw national forest has riding areas that are worth the trip. an organization called the northern virginia trail riders maintains them... --- Pejman Taei wrote: > Anyone know of any open fields or any public or private > property that is > legal to ride a dirtbike around. Any help would be > greatly appriciated. > > Thanks, > PJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AIvJNc016048; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:57:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AIvJGl016044; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:57:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Custom Trailer hitch Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:56:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will probably sign up for the Nesba track day and this will motivate me to put a class 1 hitch on my car and get a small utility trailer. However, there aren't any good generic hitches for my car. Does anyone know someone who could construct a custom hitch for my vehicle? Or where I can find information on such a thing? Thanks. han _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AJ2ZNc016227; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:02:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AJ2ZnW016221; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:02:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:02:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200207101502.AA290783860@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Pejman Taei" Subject: Re: Places to ride a Dirt Bike??? X-Mailer: Here's some groups with riding areas: http://www.smdr.org/ http://www.nvtr.org/ http://www.bctra.com/ ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Pejman Taei" Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:21:16 -0400 >Anyone know of any open fields or any public or private property that is >legal to ride a dirtbike around. Any help would be greatly appriciated. > >Thanks, >PJ > > > >'00 Suzuki GSX-R 750 >'98 Honda CR 250 > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AJ4KNc016386; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:04:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AJ4K3B016377; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:04:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:06:02 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Han Park cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Custom Trailer hitch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Han Park wrote: > trailer. However, there aren't any good generic hitches for my car. A generic hitch? Didn't they quit making those when cars stopped having steel bumpers? Does > anyone know someone who could construct a custom hitch for my vehicle? Or > where I can find information on such a thing? Thanks. Call U-haul. They carry Draw-tite hitches for most cars/trucks. Figure about $100-200 uninstalled. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AJFkNc016919; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:15:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AJFj4O016914; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:15:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E8E3@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Tassel and card mod Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:15:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I always thought the extra tassels were so that more people could help pull it into the back of the pickup truck to get to the repair shop. Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "I used up so much karma that I had to get an aftermarket karmic replacement." Greg Hertel > If you go with the handlebar tassels.... you definitely > need the playing > card/clothes-pin mod to the spokes of both front and back > wheels. my wheels don't have spokes. oh well. i have a few more questions: 1. my 45-day tag expired. where can i get another? they seem to be very popular. 2. my bike doesn't seem to want to lean in the turns, no matter how hard i brake. is there a solution here? 3. does h-d make disposable undergarments? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AKECNc017499; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:14:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AKE9BW017485; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:14:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2C96E1.8093FB07@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:19:46 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan CC: Han Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Custom Trailer hitch References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dan wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Han Park wrote: > > > trailer. However, there aren't any good generic hitches for my car. > > A generic hitch? Didn't they quit making those when cars stopped having > steel bumpers? Nope. I forgot the name of the company, started with a D, but thye made hitchs for dern near every lightwieght econobox going. Involved drilling a few holes in the bumper box and floor pan, usual tow rating 1000# to 1500#. > Does > > anyone know someone who could construct a custom hitch for my vehicle? Or > > where I can find information on such a thing? Thanks. > > Call U-haul. They carry Draw-tite hitches for most cars/trucks. Figure > about $100-200 uninstalled. > > Dan And try welding shops. Had a welding shop install a class III rig with load bars on an old van I had. Might have to visit the coutryside to find a welder with that talent. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AL8oNc018040; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:08:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AL8nYC018036; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:08:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <9501B54F9880D211B44600A0C9EBEE9606C2C134@wash58.acs.org> From: Jason Picton To: Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Custom Trailer hitch Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:06:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" try tricktrucks in Kensington (http://www.tricktrucks.com/). They put a class 3 trailer hitch on my nissan for $245 - included hitch/ball and installation.. -----Original Message----- From: William J. Huson To: dan Cc: Han Park; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 7/10/02 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Custom Trailer hitch dan wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Han Park wrote: > > > trailer. However, there aren't any good generic hitches for my car. > > A generic hitch? Didn't they quit making those when cars stopped having > steel bumpers? Nope. I forgot the name of the company, started with a D, but thye made hitchs for dern near every lightwieght econobox going. Involved drilling a few holes in the bumper box and floor pan, usual tow rating 1000# to 1500#. > Does > > anyone know someone who could construct a custom hitch for my vehicle? Or > > where I can find information on such a thing? Thanks. > > Call U-haul. They carry Draw-tite hitches for most cars/trucks. Figure > about $100-200 uninstalled. > > Dan And try welding shops. Had a welding shop install a class III rig with load bars on an old van I had. Might have to visit the coutryside to find a welder with that talent. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AMAdNc018798; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:10:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AMAcgC018793; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:10:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020710181121.00a23a40@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:11:49 -0400 To: Han Park , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Custom Trailer hitch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:56 PM 7/10/02, Han Park wrote: > I will probably sign up for the Nesba track day and this will >motivate me to put a class 1 hitch on my car and get a small utility >trailer. However, there aren't any good generic hitches for my car. What is your car? Tnx -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6AMKqNc019089; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:20:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6AMKpaC019084; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:20:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Han Park Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Custom Trailer hitch Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:25:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6AMKoNc019072 U haul does custom hitches. On Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:56:56 -0400, you wrote: |> I will probably sign up for the Nesba track day and this will |>motivate me to put a class 1 hitch on my car and get a small utility |>trailer. However, there aren't any good generic hitches for my car. Does |>anyone know someone who could construct a custom hitch for my vehicle? Or |>where I can find information on such a thing? Thanks. |> |>han _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ANtoNc020647; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:55:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ANtmKl020631; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:55:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.1.20020710195438.052ed008@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:56:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: Custom Trailer hitch In-Reply-To: <200207102300.g6AN01ts019571@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Drawtite. or try Reese. Class I-III for damn near every vehicle. any rental store or truck supply will carry them. list is just too long to post. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6B2pINc021973; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:51:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6B2pAux021959; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:51:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003901c22885$317bbef0$5c6a2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "VFR Mailing list" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Wyo. trip - part II Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 22:46:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 The second installment of the DC to Wyoming and back trip completed by Pierre C. and me. Day 4 - Greensburg, KS to Georgetown, CO [1520-2060] 540 miles Stops: Dodge City, KS; Lamar, CO; Pueblo, CO; Buena Vista, CO; Leadville, CO We're on the road at 7:30, but there's no place to eat in Greensburg, so it' s on to Dodge City forty miles away, which can be smelled long before it is seen, due to the preponderance of feed lots and slaughterhouses. We roll into the Cattlemen's Lounge and Pancake House. This must be the place to eat around here since it is crowded and we have to wait for a table. Somehow I had forgotten it was Saturday. Funny how you lose track of time on the road, which is a *good* thing for a normally time-obsessed deadline-driven person. After a full fat and caloric blowout breakfast we saunter out in our riding gear and a septuagenarian lady asks, "Are you fellas firefighters?" "Uh, no ma'am." I'm wearing a Motoport suit and Pierre has his BMW suit. I think she was dead serious. Cruising at 90 plus on US 50 we run into hellacious crosswinds and those cattle trucks punch a big hole in the wind in the opposite lane. You get used to the buffeting. I think the bike leaned about 5 degrees to port for 200 miles. I made a habit of adjusting riding position frequently, since there were not a lot of twisties to get the butt off the seat. It was increasingly hotter, drier and higher as we went along. Watching the elevation reading slowly climb on the GPS was a cheap form of entertainment and a bike cop (on an ST1000 no less) in La Junta, Colorado, gave us a big friendly wave. On the bike I make a habit of sweeping through the instruments, including the I4C voltmeter, just to make sure everything is in working order. It pays to start watching the fuel supply carefully too. Fighting the wind and cruising at the century mark are sucking lots of gas, especially with the bags on, and the towns are getting farther and farther apart. Pueblo was dry and parched and temperatures well over 100 degrees. We pulled off the highway at a Suzuki/Kawasaki dealer to buy some Plexus (the number and size of the bugs out here is astounding, especially the grasshoppers) and the counter guy says, "you don't want to know how hot it is out there." 105 it turned out, but it's dry and the CamelBaks worked great to keep us hydrated. Most local riders seem to subscribe to the "less is more" school of riding attire, at least in town. We saw more sensible gear in the canyons. Past Canon City we're finally in the mountains and leave the parched plains behind, although the peaks are shrouded in haze from the forest fires. US50 along the Arkansas River is a fun ride, with about 60 miles of fast sweepers and we see our first sportbikes being riding competently (as opposed to the occasional in-town squid) in quite a while. The higher elevation takes the edge off the temperatures, but I'm getting a little punchy and aggressively overtake a couple of cars that I probably shouldn't have, so it's time for a break. A blueberry shake hits the spot and the adjacent city park in Buena Vista makes the perfect place to remove the riding clothes, enjoy the cool mountain air and sprawl out under a tree to relax and make some phone calls. After that it was Leadville, an interesting mining town at 10,000 feet. Someday I'd like to do Colorado Rt. 82 west of Leadville over Independence Pass over towards Aspen, but there's no time for that today, so we continue on Colorado Rt. 91 and Fremont Pass, which is not terribly scenic since there is a mine at the top of the pass. Perhaps it's better to use Tennessee Pass over through Vail the next time. The best part of the day was up next, US6 and Loveland Pass, which tops out at 11,900 feet. It was a great ride up and down and no traffic since US6 is largely bypassed by I-70 and the Eisenhower Tunnel under the Continental Divide. The carburetors are feeling the effects of the altitude a bit and power is suffering on the way up and I'm treated to a "Rice Krispies" exhaust note on the way down: lots of snap, crackle and pop. We bed down for the night in the scenic old mining town of Georgetown, which retains a lot of its 19th-century ambience, unlike some of the carbuncular ski resorts and lumpy time shares we rode by going up to Loveland Pass. Day 5 - Georgetown, CO to Buffalo, WY (cabin) [2060-2560] 500 miles Stops: Walden, CO; Rawlins, WY; Riverton, WY; Worland, WY. The next day we're on the bikes by 8 and while I'm putting air in the tires, a local wanders up and announces he wants to shake hands with anyone from New York or DC in the wake of Sept. 11th. OK, I'm glad I was here for you, but kind of a weird guy nonetheless. A short trip on I-70 leads to Rt. 40 and Berthoud Pass, which offers a nice ride, although the VFR is wheezing, just like yesterday when we get above 10,000 feet. The next road, Colorado 125, was probably the best stretch of the day, fast, moderately twisty and deserted. Past Walden, we're essentially in a high desert area, with sagebrush as far as the eye can see and mountains in the distance. Beautiful country and definitely what the wide open spaces in the west are all about. The haze has lifted to and it seems like you can see literally forever. After crossing the state line into Wyoming there is a large group of bicyclists stretched out in over the next thirty miles. All I can think is, my hat is off to them and I'm glad the machine I'm riding has an engine. Been there, done that, but not in terrain like this! The Snowy Range is in the distance off to the right. I think I'll put Wyo. Rt. 130 between here and Laramie on my list for the next trip out here. We ate lunch and gassed up in Rawlins. We still had a lot of fuel, so Pierre didn't quite believe me when I said there was no town of any kind and no gas for the next 122 miles. After passing through the Great Divide Basin, Wyoming Rt. 135 offers spectacular panoramic views of the Wind River Range. Pierre and I split up in Riverton as he headed to Yellowstone National Park and I headed for our cabin in the Big Horns west of Buffalo, just off US 16. Today's a real scorcher too at over 100, but I'm still quite comfortable in the free-flowing Motoport. At just about every gas stop people ask, "aren't you hot?" Um, yeah, thanks for the reminder, I'd forgotten. Actually, it's pleasant when you're on the move. Less so when stopped. Luckily Wyoming is about 97,000 square miles in area and has less population than the District of Columbia, so traffic congestion is not a big issue. After we split, I rode the Wind River Canyon (simply a must-do if you're in Wyoming) up to Thermopolis and then headed east through Tensleep Canyon and into the Big Horns. I arrived at the cabin about 6 and the wife's entire family was there to greet me. I'd had a blast all day and outside of a few towns, we hadn't ridden even close to the speed limit all day. Even at 65 on the two-lane roads, the speed limit is absurdly low. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6B3oDNc022477; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:50:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6B3oDLY022470; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:50:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001101c2288d$d5fe2e60$18521840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Custom hitch? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:47:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, $200+ seems pretty steep for a hitch installation. But if that's what they cost at places, that's what they cost. I got my Class III hitch, a Valley, for $119 from Tractor Supply. They had dozens of hitches, many for cars even. If not there, try a good auto parts store, if they don't have your application, they can surely order it (if it's made). As always, you can check web sites for information, I know Redneck Trailer Supplies in Pa. is a great resource for all things towing. Incidentally, I was able to install my own hitch with very simple hand tools, including (1) an electric drill and a *good* quality drill bit suitable for drilling through steel (Hint: when drilling through metal, spin the bit as slow as it will spin and still remove material, that way the shards of metal will be bigger and easier to clean up, less likely to splinter into your clothes/skin) and (2) an air impact wrench, although this is completely unnecessary, as a ratchet and socket set or comprehensive set of combination wrenches would have done fine, I'm just lazy and preferred to let the power equipment do all the work. You don't even need a lift to jack up the back of your car if you're so inclined (HA! Get it?), just pull it up onto a curb, with the back hanging over the ledge, instant 12" of space under which to work. When you've exhausted all avenues for a commercially available hitch, there is a great welding shop (but probably pretty far away from you) in Taylorsville, MD called Bob's Welding. They are located on Rt. 26 just west of the intersection with Rt. 27 (Carroll County, MD). Bob can order anything under the sun, or just create you something from bar stock. They are artists as much as welders. What kind of car do you have? Citroen 2CV or something like that? Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BBeNNc024949; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:40:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BBeLCt024938; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:40:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020711075707.04100214@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 07:57:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Wyo. trip - part II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:46 PM 7/10/02 -0400, you wrote: >The second installment of the DC to Wyoming and back trip completed by >Pierre C. and me. [...] Great reading, thanks for posting and congrats on the trip. I'd love to do a x-country trip sometime. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BCMTNc025377; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:22:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BCMT7Z025370; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Subject: Re: Custom hitch? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, hpark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:21:53 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on US-AMSMTA005/US/INTL(Release 5.0.9 |November 16, 2001) at 07/11/2002 08:22:16 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try 1-800-HITCH-IT. They are a hitch distributor (Draw-tite for sure, and maybe Reese) based in Phily. I have purchased 2 hitches from them and was very pleased. Cheaper than U-haul, even with shipping. Although both hitches I bought were "bolt-on", they may have some custom options as well. --chris _________________________________________________________________ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BDtbNc026140; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:55:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BDtaVj026130; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:55:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:55:07 -0400 From: Michael.Brocchi@XXXXXX Subject: Bike For Sale To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sorry for the spam again, but I need to sell this bike, thanks, Mike 2000 Suzuki Bandit 600cc 9800 miles Black, with leather Bandit tank cover new tires Bridgestone BT020 (about 1,000 miles on them) Good condition, $3,300 obo pictures upon request Contact me at mbrocchi@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BEK6Nc026535; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:20:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BEK6mk026530; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:20:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711101216.026b04a8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:19:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: OT: Items for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sorry for the OT post but I wanted all on this list to get first shot. Anyone looking for a really good condition Washer/Dryer, email me off-list. We have a new (Fisher Paykel) W/D being delivered in about 3 weeks (could be sooner), so sometime shortly before it arrives we'll be letting these two GE items go. Excellent working condition, no problems...just too small to cover our 14yo daughters ever growing wardrobe. I can email pics if interested. $75 for both...you call you haul. Located in Herndon. Semi OB Moto: Damn it's nice out today. I have to get the bike out for a ride but we're having a *monster yard sale* (shameless plug), this weekend that I'm swamped trying to get ready for. On that note, if anyone wants to buy a Sams Club bike lift for $40 ping me off line as well. Lot's of other stuff too, stereos, humidifers, kitchen stuff, books, tapes, etc. etc. etc. If you're interested in the yard sale...well ping me for that as well. If nothing else, swing by to say hi! Located in Herndon "by gawd" Virginnie.... cheers, -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BEQsNc026700; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:26:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BEQsWc026696; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:26:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2D96F5.FD2642EB@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:32:21 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Items for sale References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711101216.026b04a8@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aki Damme wrote: > Anyone looking for a really good condition Washer/Dryer, email me > off-list. We have a new (Fisher Paykel) W/D being delivered in about > 3 weeks (could be sooner), so sometime shortly before it arrives we'll > be letting these two GE items go. Excellent working condition, no > problems...just too small to cover our 14yo daughters ever growing > wardrobe. HAHAHAHAHA... Sorry, your comment about your 14yo daughter's wardrobe made me guffaw! Been there, done that, still have nightmares over the huge piles of clothes in her room. "But dad, they're not FAV!" This means it would be a major social embarrassment to wear the rejected duds to school, and it also meant another shopping trip with cash flowing outta my hand like water. My sympathys... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BEaENc026995; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:36:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BEaE5F026990; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:36:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: want to buy a switchbox Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6BEaDNc026978 I'm looking for some kind of compact switch box I can mount on my kawasaki sportbike fairing stay... with i guess about 4 to 6 toggle switches... somethign compact. i'm thinking within the demensions of 2.5" on top surface front to back width doesnt' matter as the fairing stay is about a foot wide and depth 2-3".. rocker switches.. toggle switches.. something with a visible up/on down/off indication... anyone know of a store to get somethign like this? hmm maybe a trip to the jc whiteney website..sounds like something i seen on a goldwing. also anyone know of a cheap local electronics store that might have LED lights cheap.. somethijgn in MD or DC please? tnx Danny _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BEffNc027269; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:41:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BEffkF027264; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:41:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: want to buy a switchbox Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:41:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 14:41:23.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[079743C0:01C228E9] Danny, That sounds like pretty standard RadioShack fare. They have various "project boxes" and all sorts of switches, lit and otherwises. LEDs, etc. galore. Perry >From: Danny MotorPsychoL >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: want to buy a switchbox >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:40:44 -0400 > >I'm looking for some kind of compact switch box I can mount on my >kawasaki sportbike fairing stay... with i guess about 4 to 6 toggle >switches... somethign compact. > >i'm thinking within the demensions of > >2.5" on top surface front to back >width doesnt' matter as the fairing stay is about a foot wide >and depth 2-3".. > >rocker switches.. toggle switches.. something with a visible up/on >down/off indication... > >anyone know of a store to get somethign like this? hmm maybe a trip >to the jc whiteney website..sounds like something i seen on a >goldwing. > >also anyone know of a cheap local electronics store that might have >LED lights cheap.. somethijgn in MD or DC please? > > >tnx > >Danny _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BFgvNc027972; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:42:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BFguBD027962; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:42:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: Han Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Custom Trailer hitch Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:42:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the replies, I'll check out all the options. I have a '89 944 S2. Since it's an S2 it has some rear air dam stuff which may get in the way of a tow hitch. I think the only manufacturer which makes a hitch for my car is Da 'Lan, and from what I've heard about that hitch it's not very good plus it's like $220. I wouldn't mind getting a good welding shop to make me a custom hitch. han > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Larson [mailto:pltrgyst@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:12 PM > To: Han Park; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Custom Trailer hitch > > > At 02:56 PM 7/10/02, Han Park wrote: > > I will probably sign up for the Nesba track day and > this will > >motivate me to put a class 1 hitch on my car and get a small utility > >trailer. However, there aren't any good generic hitches for my car. > > > What is your car? > > Tnx -- Larry > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BFpMNc028176; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:51:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BFpMtA028172; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:51:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <016701c228f3$5e509ae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "Wayne Edelen" References: <3.0.32.20020711075707.04100214@noid.org> Subject: Re: Wyo. trip - part II Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:54:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 There's always next summer. $1000 non-refundable cash deposit reserves your spot. ;-) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Edelen" > At 10:46 PM 7/10/02 -0400, you wrote: > >The second installment of the DC to Wyoming and back trip completed by > >Pierre C. and me. > [...] > > Great reading, thanks for posting and congrats on the trip. I'd love to do > a x-country trip sometime. > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BG8eNc028659; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:08:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BG8ei7028655; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:08:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2DAED8.91CC1A7E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:14:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Wyo. trip - part II References: <3.0.32.20020711075707.04100214@noid.org> <016701c228f3$5e509ae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > There's always next summer. $1000 non-refundable cash deposit reserves > your spot. ;-) Don't forget the obligation to attend a three hour meeting, snacks provided, and view a 45 minute video sales pitch for Cycle Time Share Condos, Inc. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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Dissemination, distribution or copying of this E-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this E-mail in error, please call the Mgr. of Information Technology at 301.222.0330 and destroy the original message and all copies. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BGTcNc029170; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:29:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BGTb0c029161; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:29:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: "William J. Huson" , Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Wyo. trip - part II Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:27:55 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Wayne Edelen References: <3.0.32.20020711075707.04100214@noid.org> <016701c228f3$5e509ae0$bb82fea9@palladio1> <3D2DAED8.91CC1A7E@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D2DAED8.91CC1A7E@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207111227551M.20743@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 11 July 2002 12:14, William J. Huson wrote: > Paul Wilson wrote: > > There's always next summer. $1000 non-refundable cash deposit reserves > > your spot. ;-) > > Don't forget the obligation to attend a three hour meeting, snacks > provided, and view a 45 minute video sales pitch for Cycle Time Share > Condos, Inc. > Shoot, only _one_ three hour meeting? Count me in :-) > Bill Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BHo3Nc030017; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:50:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BHo1Zb029999; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:50:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711134659.026b71f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:49:46 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Items for sale Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <3D2D96F5.FD2642EB@patriot.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711101216.026b04a8@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed heh heh...and please *someone* tell me how a girl can never leave the house, yet have six sets of dirty clothes??? And since when does ANYONE use a bath towel ONCE then throw it in those hamper? And how come she has to take three showers a day, single handily running a 65 gallon hot water heater dry each time and then use three large bath towels each time???? sheesh.. Having a son would of been *much* easier...you have to REMIND them to bathe, let alone change their freaking underwear at least once a week. 8-P At 10:32 AM 7/11/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Aki Damme wrote: > > > Anyone looking for a really good condition Washer/Dryer, email me > > off-list. We have a new (Fisher Paykel) W/D being delivered in about > > 3 weeks (could be sooner), so sometime shortly before it arrives we'll > > be letting these two GE items go. Excellent working condition, no > > problems...just too small to cover our 14yo daughters ever growing > > wardrobe. > >HAHAHAHAHA... Sorry, your comment about your 14yo daughter's wardrobe made me >guffaw! Been there, done that, still have nightmares over the huge piles of >clothes in her room. "But dad, they're not FAV!" This means it would be >a major >social embarrassment to wear the rejected duds to school, and it also meant >another shopping trip with cash flowing outta my hand like water. > >My sympathys... > >Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BIBaNc030417; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:11:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BIBZK7030412; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:11:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:11:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: Aki Damme cc: "William J. Huson" , dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Items for sale In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711134659.026b71f0@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oh, I feel your pain, brothers! Especially the towels - I have, on occasion, found exactly 2 towels in our (my wife & my) bathroom, with precisely *none* in the linen closet or the laundry. And we don't have some shortage of towels, we've got plenty... So where were they? Eight in the teenager's bathroom, with the rest in her piles 'o' laundry in her nest, er, bedroom. 8-) At least Aki's knows what a hamper is! And now, she's off to college in the Fall - I'm looking forward to the ritual of "Hi, honey, welcome home! How was the semester?" "Fine, whatever. Here's my laundry. I have to go out clubbing now." Ah, well... Can't say any of this has come as a surprise. 8-) Maybe number 2 won't be... nah! Who'm I kidding? 8-) (I love my girls, there are just a couple of things that really *bug* me. Yes, they know *exactly* what those are. ;-) ) -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > >heh heh...and please *someone* tell me how a girl can never leave the house, >yet have six sets of dirty clothes??? > >And since when does ANYONE use a bath towel ONCE then throw it in those hamper? > >And how come she has to take three showers a day, single handily running a >65 gallon >hot water heater dry each time and then use three large bath towels each >time???? > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BIKgNc030738; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:20:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BIKfNY030733; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:20:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2DCDC9.2D365074@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:26:17 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aki Damme CC: dc-cycles Subject: Re: OT: Items for sale References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711101216.026b04a8@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20020711134659.026b71f0@pop.east.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wait, the fun part begins... You bought a huge mega-load washer, but darling daughter absolutely *needs* to wash her fav undies and T-shirt and she'll run a whole dang cycle to wash 2.5 ozs of cloth!!! FIVE TIMES A DAY!!! Had a son too. We use to gather in the yard, sitting under the pine trees, collectively shaking our heads. Now he's married with TWO girls. His hair is already turning gray at the ripe young age of 33. But ya gotta love them... Bill Aki Damme wrote: > heh heh...and please *someone* tell me how a girl can never leave the house, > yet have six sets of dirty clothes??? > > And since when does ANYONE use a bath towel ONCE then throw it in those hamper? > > And how come she has to take three showers a day, single handily running a > 65 gallon > hot water heater dry each time and then use three large bath towels each > time???? > > sheesh.. > > Having a son would of been *much* easier...you have to REMIND them to > bathe, let > alone change their freaking underwear at least once a week. 8-P > > At 10:32 AM 7/11/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: > >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > Anyone looking for a really good condition Washer/Dryer, email me > > > off-list. We have a new (Fisher Paykel) W/D being delivered in about > > > 3 weeks (could be sooner), so sometime shortly before it arrives we'll > > > be letting these two GE items go. Excellent working condition, no > > > problems...just too small to cover our 14yo daughters ever growing > > > wardrobe. > > > >HAHAHAHAHA... Sorry, your comment about your 14yo daughter's wardrobe made me > >guffaw! Been there, done that, still have nightmares over the huge piles of > >clothes in her room. "But dad, they're not FAV!" This means it would be > >a major > >social embarrassment to wear the rejected duds to school, and it also meant > >another shopping trip with cash flowing outta my hand like water. > > > >My sympathys... > > > >Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BIRdNc031025; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:27:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BIRdmT031015; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:27:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711142217.00bc90d0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:27:25 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Items for sale Cc: dc-cycles In-Reply-To: <3D2DCDC9.2D365074@patriot.net> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711101216.026b04a8@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20020711134659.026b71f0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:26 PM 7/11/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Just wait, the fun part begins... You bought a huge mega-load washer, but >darling >daughter absolutely *needs* to wash her fav undies and T-shirt and she'll >run a >whole dang cycle to wash 2.5 ozs of cloth!!! FIVE TIMES A DAY!!! OH MY GAWD! MY DAUGHTER LIVES IN TWO HOUSES!!! >Had a son too. We use to gather in the yard, sitting under the pine trees, >collectively shaking our heads. Now he's married with TWO girls. His hair is >already turning gray at the ripe young age of 33. > >But ya gotta love them... > >Bill Yeah, and she even jokes about my gray hair...like SHE doesn't have anything to do with it. I remember helping her with her history homework last year. She *hates* history. After over an hour of frustrating tutoring, I told her that history isn't that hard and I had problem with it in school. Do you what that little wretch told me? "Well Dad, when you were my age, there was a whole lot LESS HISTORY to remember!" *grumble grumble grumble* >Aki Damme wrote: > > > heh heh...and please *someone* tell me how a girl can never leave the > house, > > yet have six sets of dirty clothes??? > > > > And since when does ANYONE use a bath towel ONCE then throw it in those > hamper? > > > > And how come she has to take three showers a day, single handily running a > > 65 gallon > > hot water heater dry each time and then use three large bath towels each > > time???? > > > > sheesh.. > > > > Having a son would of been *much* easier...you have to REMIND them to > > bathe, let > > alone change their freaking underwear at least once a week. 8-P > > > > At 10:32 AM 7/11/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: > > >Aki Damme wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone looking for a really good condition Washer/Dryer, email me > > > > off-list. We have a new (Fisher Paykel) W/D being delivered in about > > > > 3 weeks (could be sooner), so sometime shortly before it arrives we'll > > > > be letting these two GE items go. Excellent working condition, no > > > > problems...just too small to cover our 14yo daughters ever growing > > > > wardrobe. > > > > > >HAHAHAHAHA... Sorry, your comment about your 14yo daughter's wardrobe > made me > > >guffaw! Been there, done that, still have nightmares over the huge > piles of > > >clothes in her room. "But dad, they're not FAV!" This means it would be > > >a major > > >social embarrassment to wear the rejected duds to school, and it also > meant > > >another shopping trip with cash flowing outta my hand like water. > > > > > >My sympathys... > > > > > >Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BIopNc031451; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:50:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BIooLH031446; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:50:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:50:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: Ricardo Pontes cc: dccycles Subject: RE: clothing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So, I'm leaning toward cordura because of price and a bit more practicality (although a good leather jacket + Draggin' Jeans is an option)... Hein Gericke or Joe Rocket? newenough has some good deals on each - HG is still a bit more, so is it worth the extra $$? -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: >I LOVE my alpinestars cordura pants. They have armor and all. And they are >super warm in the winter, thanks to their removable insulation. In the >summer, they are cool. Very easy to walk around, they dont make you look >like a power ranger. > >The joe rocket stuff is decent. Ive got a joe rocket tahoe jacket, except >for a bit of stuff loosening, it has survived a low speed crash with no >damage. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BJ5rNc031969; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:05:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BJ5qB3031964; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:05:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.97.0.82] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: New to the list - first post Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:04:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 19:04:40.0319 (UTC) FILETIME=[CEF3C0F0:01C2290D] Just wanted to say Hi. I have just bought a Harley Dyna Lowrider after a 15 year hiatus from riding. I was a biking fanatic back in Edinburgh Scotland in my early 20M-^Rs. I was a motorcycle courier for 3 years and managed to pretty much destroy over 20 bikes during this time (9 hours a day through rain, sleet and snow etc). Anyhow IM-^Rm back with the program and itM-^Rs like I never left. Looking forward to conversing with you guys. Cheers Spong _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BJLrNc032335; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:21:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BJLqug032330; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:21:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711151959.026d8608@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:21:38 -0400 To: Andrew Maddox , Ricardo Pontes From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: clothing Cc: dccycles In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Something you might want to look at is Draggin Jeans now has a perforated leather jacket with removable shoulder, elbow and back protectors. Looks pretty nice...IIRC, about $129. Comes in your basic black and red. I was thinking of getting one of those myself. cheers, -aki At 02:50 PM 7/11/2002 -0400, Andrew Maddox wrote: >So, I'm leaning toward cordura because of price and a bit more practicality >(although a good leather jacket + Draggin' Jeans is an option)... > >Hein Gericke or Joe Rocket? > >newenough has some good deals on each - HG is still a bit more, so is it >worth the extra $$? > >-- >SIGFAULT: quote not generated >Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX > >On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > >I LOVE my alpinestars cordura pants. They have armor and all. And they are > >super warm in the winter, thanks to their removable insulation. In the > >summer, they are cool. Very easy to walk around, they dont make you look > >like a power ranger. > > > >The joe rocket stuff is decent. Ive got a joe rocket tahoe jacket, except > >for a bit of stuff loosening, it has survived a low speed crash with no > >damage. > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BJS8Nc032531; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:28:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BJS7Mu032522; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:28:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:27:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: New to the list - first post In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Tim Spong wrote: > I was a biking fanatic back in Edinburgh Scotland in my early 20's. *shudder* I can't think of a worse possible terrain for motorcycles than slippery cobblestones in narrow closes. Be afraid. Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BJYJNc000347; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:34:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BJYJob000340; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:34:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:19:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200207111919.g6BJJE706118@texas.pop3now.com> X-Authentication-Warning: texas.pop3now.com: nobody set sender to sdave@XXXXXX using -f From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: Re: New to the list - first post Tim interrupted the awkward silence... Just wanted to say Hi. [Dave] Great! No meaningless dribble, off topic posting, irrelevant riding history, or other nonsense. Straight to the point. Welcome to the list, Tim... I have just bought a Harley Dyna Lowrider after a 15 year hiatus from riding. [Dave] 15 years... That sounds felonious ! ;-) I was a biking fanatic back in Edinburgh Scotland in my early 20M-^Rs. I was a motorcycle courier for 3 years and managed to pretty much destroy over 20 bikes during this time (9 hours a day through rain, sleet and snow etc). [Dave] 20 bikes?! no wonder they're no longer cheap... Anyhow IM-^Rm back with the program and itM-^Rs like I never left. Looking forward to conversing with you guys. [Dave] good to have you back... Dave -- Pop3Now Personal, Manage 5 Email Accounts From 1 Secure Window Sign Up Today! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BLIGNc001423; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:18:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BLIE42001414; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:18:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:17:50 -0400 Subject: Re: clothing From: Rob Curtis To: Andrew Maddox CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Andrew- I went with Dainese leather jacket and Draggin Jeans. FWIW- Dainese -Awsome product, well stiched and finished. Not one loose stitch or hanging thread, very high-quality leather. Got mine in Rome in the Spring for $300, way more expensive here, though. Draggin Jeans- I'll start by saying that I like mine, but a few nitpicks to consider: The fit isn't exactly like a comfy pair of jeans. The cut is different than say, Levis. Mine seems tight in the thigh. I suggest you go try on a pair at a local retailer. Also- the Kevlar panels don't breath at all. So when it's hot, your ass and knees sweat and the panels kind of stick to you. Not a bad thing at all for protection, but just don't buy them thinking they'll feel like a set of Levi's. Rob on 7/11/02 14:50, Andrew Maddox at madsox@XXXXXX noted: > So, I'm leaning toward cordura because of price and a bit more practicality > (although a good leather jacket + Draggin' Jeans is an option)... > > Hein Gericke or Joe Rocket? > > newenough has some good deals on each - HG is still a bit more, so is it > worth the extra $$? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BLhRNc001805; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:43:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BLhQN8001800; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:43:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:43:07 -0400 Subject: Sore wrists From: Richard Westbrook To: DC-Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2002 21:43:11.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4316FF0:01C22923] Last weekend I took my first long ride in a while. It ended up being an eight hour day with just a stop for lunch and gas ups. I recently got a Corbin seat and was very happy with it so my problem was not my butt, it was my wrists. By the time I got home they were killing me. My wrists have always been the most uncomfortable on long days but this time it was really bad, and I'm worried that it may be due to the seat. The Corbin seems to push me back a little farther and therefore reach for the bars more. Has anyone else had this problem and do you think heli bars would help at all? I would think heli bars would raise the bars up but not back where I need them to go. BTW, I do have a throttlemeister, but it had come loose outside of Martinsburg, and would not engage. I found out the hard way that the allen wrench in the Honda tool kit is not the right size. Rich 95 VFR _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BLiFNc001853; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:44:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BLiEFg001849; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:44:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020711174144.00ba1718@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:43:59 -0400 To: Rob Curtis , Andrew Maddox From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: clothing Cc: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:17 PM 7/11/2002 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: >Andrew- I went with Dainese leather jacket and Draggin Jeans. > >FWIW- Dainese -Awsome product, well stiched and finished. Not one loose >stitch or hanging thread, very high-quality leather. Got mine in Rome in the >Spring for $300, way more expensive here, though. > >Draggin Jeans- I'll start by saying that I like mine, but a few nitpicks to >consider: The fit isn't exactly like a comfy pair of jeans. The cut is >different than say, Levis. Mine seems tight in the thigh. I suggest you go >try on a pair at a local retailer. Also- the Kevlar panels don't breath at >all. So when it's hot, your ass and knees sweat and the panels kind of stick >to you. Not a bad thing at all for protection, but just don't buy them >thinking they'll feel like a set of Levi's. > >Rob I have to agree with Rob, the jeans fit a little tight but I guess that's necessary to ensure the kevlar doesn't slip off the knees. They *do* get hot though...especially in stop and go traffic in the middle of summer. Might be nice though for late fall rides side they let zero air pass through. Believe me, a real problem in the kevlar butt after visiting Taco Bell. 8-P Anyone try those new jackets Draggin Jeans are selling? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BLmGNc002115; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:48:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BLmFjg002108; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:48:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020711214758.22262.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: New to the list - first post To: Tim Spong , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tim Spong wrote: > I was a biking fanatic > back in Edinburgh > Scotland in my early 20M-^Rs. For some reason I always associated guys named Tim Spong with Jeep fanatics. Dunno why? Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BLpjNc002384; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:51:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BLpjiD002378; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:51:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020711215136.6727.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Sore wrists To: Richard Westbrook , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rich your fisrt statement explains it all. You haven't been out in a while and your wrists are not used to it. Go for another ride this weekend and you will notice it won't be so bad. Glenn --- Richard Westbrook wrote: > Last weekend I took my first long ride in a while. > It ended up being an > eight hour day with just a stop for lunch and gas > ups. I recently got a > Corbin seat and was very happy with it so my problem > was not my butt, it was > my wrists. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BMCkNc002959; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:12:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BMCjEc002955; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:12:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711181110.0377f5a0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:12:18 -0400 To: DC-Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: Sore wrists In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:43 PM 7/11/2002, Richard Westbrook wrote: >Has anyone else had this problem and do you think heli bars would help at >all? I would think heli bars would raise the bars up but not back where I >need them to go. A lot of the people who put Helis on take them back off. The problem is you are supporting your upper body with your wrists. Consciously transfer weight to your stomach and lower back. Your body will remember ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BNQrNc004123; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:26:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BNQqkG004114; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:26:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000e01c22931$d1e53130$d72b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "VFR Mailing list" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Wyo. trip report - part the third Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:22:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Here begins the tale of the trip back. -------------------- Day 6 - Day 9 (at cabin in the Big Horns Mountains of Wyoming) 2,500 miles worth of bugs are an appalling sight! It takes Honda Pro Cleaner and Plexus and lots of elbow grease to get those off the bodywork and most importantly, the fork tubes. The Honda fork tube guards don't really account for the entire fork travel. To paraphrase Blanche in _A Streetcar Named Desire_, "I can't stand the sight of a dirty motorcycle anymore than a rude remark." I also take a few minutes to top off the reservoir on the ScottOiler, a device which has performed very well on this trip. I have the touring model and it's uses up about half the oil supply. I have a few days to spend time with the family, rest, read and relax at the three-room cabin, which lies at about 7,500 feet in the Big Horn National Forest. There's no plumbing or electricity, so there's lots of wood to be chopped, water to be hauled and a couple of 15-mile runs down the mountain to town for various odds and ends and do some email at the public library. No phones in the mountains, although one concession to modernity is the cell phone. Hike all the way to the top of the hill behind the cabin and you can get a pretty good signal.. Day 10 - Buffalo, WY to Wall, SD [2620 - 3000] 380 miles Stops: Devil's Tower, Beulah, WY (gas - almost ran out), Mt. Rushmore and Wasta, SD After a big "mountain breakfast" of eggs, bacon and pancakes, I help Christina clean up from our stay at the cabin and we're ready to go by 11. Pierre had joined us the night before for a small Fourth of July celebration after his sojourn in Yellowstone. We stop in Buffalo for gas and a chain adjustment. Pierre's chain is near the end of its adjustment range. Riding in the dirt and dusty conditions have just about finished it off. Soon we' re rolling east through Gillette on I-90 and we take a short detour to see Devil's Tower. Devil's Tower is an impressive rock. Indian legends hold that a giant bear clawed the grooves into the monolith. With 183 miles (indicated) since the last gas stop, I nearly run out of gas and chug my way into the gas station at Beulah, WY. The bags and headwind (not to mention "spirited" pace) have taken their toll on my gas mileage. Spearfish Canyon (US 14 Alt. south out of Spearfish) is probably worth the price of admission. Mount Rushmore was kind of underwhelming, at least to me, and we got there just a storm hit. $8 to park, in a structure that rivaled the parking decks at Reagan National Airport. The Black Hills of South Dakota offered some good riding, but we had many miles yet to go. Wasta, SD is probably the most run down settlement that I've yet encountered in this country. The Amoco folks did manage to pave the area around the gas pumps, but that's about it. Aside from a couple of guys working on a cattle truck, there were few signs of life. Even the gas pumps are run on remote control. There's "pay at the pump," but no attendant. We decided to ride for another 30 miles or so to the next place with a selection of motels, which turned out to be Wall, SD. If you ever get the urge to stop in Wall go practice your favorite form of self-mutilation until the urge passes. It's sole source of support lies in the separation of tourists from their money. We skipped Wall Drug and its much advertised "5-cent coffee, free ice water," as trumpeted on billboards in a 400-mile radius. Pierre commented on the lack of hustle and bustle in such places, compared to DC and New York. Well, it's probably that quite a few of the people hustling and bustling the hardest in DC and New York ran screaming from places like Wall, SD. Day 11 - Wall, SD to Dubuque, IA [3000-3690] 690 miles Stops: Presho, SD, Spencer, NE, Correctionville, IA, Parkersburg, IA We're up the next morning and are on the road by 8. I'm an incurable morning person, so I feel cheated unless I can get 100 miles under my belt by 9. Unfortunately, the wind is already howling and the temperature's rising as we skirt the edge of the Badlands. It's 800 miles to Chicago. I begin to think I'll lose my mind if we spend all day on the slab, passing the some succession of McDonald's, gas stations and truck stops across three states. Pierre prefers seeing the small towns too, so we venture off the super highway. Presho, our first stop, sported a tiny gas station, but not too tiny for a couple of "one armed bandits" in the back room. I think there are more slot machines than year-round residents in this state. From Presho, we took US183 south, foregoing the I-90 slab east into Minnesota. Fighting the crosswind and eighteen-wheelers all day was not my idea of a good time, even if it meant not making our intended destination of Chicago for the night. As we swung past the highway exit a sign warned of 20 miles of road work. Now, here in the East, "road work" usually means two guys leaning on shovels while a third fills in a pothole. In South Dakota, something a little more radical was in store, more like "road missing." Freshly oiled pavement, led to fresh chip and seal, which devolved into deep, loose gravel, which begat dirt. All manageable on the VFR, until some knucklehead with Texas plates decided to perform a "close pass" kicking dust and pebbles all over me and the bike. Why, I don't know, aside from general ignorance or malice or a little of both. The nearest car was probably in the next county somewhere. There was certainly no need for that. Fortunately, we regained modern pavement and proceeded into Nebraska, for a run along the Missouri River. Nebraska Rt. 14 was spin through rolling hills and marshlands along the river. We passed a town sign which said, Monowi, Pop. 2. I wonder if that includes the town's stray cat? Then it was on to Sioux City, Iowa and 300-plus miles of rolling Iowa cornfields along US 20, which offers a mix of two-lane and divided highway. We ran into a squall line with heavy gusts that blew the bike all over the r oad. After stopping to put in the waterproof linings, we keep going through the storm, which produced little rain but cooled things off nicely. We turned in for the night at a motel in Dubuque, Iowa, on the Mississippi River. Both VFRs are running great and we've had a great run across three states. Stay tuned for the end of the tale............ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BNe6Nc004442; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:40:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BNe5Om004437; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:40:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002801c22933$ab9f2600$d72b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "VFR Mailing list" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Wyo. trip - the end Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:35:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 OK folks, here's the rest. Hope you've enjoyed reading about our travels. -------------------------------------- Day 12 - Dubuque, IA to Gambier, OH [3693-4217] 524 miles Stops: Stockton, IL, Merrillville, IN, Columbia City, IN (lunch), Beaverdam, OH; Mount Gilead, OH Originally I had intended to fit in going to my family's annual reunion picnic, but seeing how it's 7AM Central Time and the picnic starts at Noon Eastern Time and we're still 500+ miles away, it's not going to happen. So instead of the picnic in Southern Ohio, we'll head to my Dad's place in Northern Ohio. Dubuque is right on the Mississippi, which makes for a foggy morning for the first little bit through Illinois. Northwestern Illinois was surprisingly rolling and pretty as we head toward the Windy City. Then I almost lose my footing on the grease stripe that covers most of a toll booth area and came close to dumping the bike. Time to put the urban riding thinking cap back on, that's for sure. I'd lived in Chicago for a while about ten years ago, but didn't have bikes when I lived there and I'd forgotten how aggressive the drivers are. We emerge unscathed from the Kennedy and Dan Ryan Expressways. Unfortunately, there was no time for sightseeing here either, (seemingly a constant theme on this trip) so we had to settle for seeing the Loop and Gold Coast high rises slide by through the blue haze. And then on into Indiana and some redneck punk teenagers near Ft. Wayne give Pierre a hard time at a stop light and then slam on their brakes in front of him. Indiana's billiard table flatness gives way to Ohio's rolling hills and postcard-perfect farms. This is still home to me and it feels good enjoying it from the seat of my beautiful, wonderful, dependable bike.... Oh there I go, getting all emotional. [sniff] OK, so my butt hurts, the Tylenol's not working and I'm trying to think positive thoughts. :) But, dammit, she's still a dependable and beautiful steed, even covered with South Dakota dust, bugs from Indiana and road slop from an Iowa thunderstorm. A small town cop pulls up to chat at a gas stop in Mt. Gilead. He wants to check out our bikes (about half of all cops, according to my informal surveys, are riders or closeted wannabes). It turns out the officer and I went to the same high school, but he's about ten years younger. I suddenly feel old. We roll into the old homestead about 8:30, having covered the eastern half of the Midwest. Day 13 - Gambier, OH to Washington, DC [4217-4637] 420 miles We say adieu to the family and leave my Dad's place about ten for the short ride into Mount Vernon, for a rear tire change at Mid-Ohio Honda Suzuki Yamaha Kawasaki; criminy they even sell Guzzi's too. Honsuzyamasakiguzzi?? Pierre's Dunlop D207 rear tire is close to showing cords. The shop is very busy, but they squeeze us in and we're on the road in an hour or so. While we're killing time, Pierre takes a test ride on the dark side, astride an FZ1. The R1-like mill offers plenty of thrills and punch, but he finds the whole package a little lacking and says he's glad to get back on his VFR to ride the next 400 miles back to DC. For those who've been to the Center of the Universe VFR Rally, you know that Southeast Ohio is good motorcycling territory. We haven't seen roads this good since we left the Black Hills three days ago as we roll down Ohio Rt. 60 towards Marietta. There's a short delay at the Ohio River waiting on a coal train to pass, but we're soon carving through West Virginia, down to Rt. 50, for a fast ride over to Clarksburg. After Clarksburg, we're into the mountains again, and while the eastern mountains are not that high in elevation and the grades may not be as long, the roads are very bit as challenging. Turns are generally tighter (even on a main road like 50) and the dense vegetation makes for limited sight distances. After three major mountain episodes, we reached Winchester and realized our adventure was coming to a close. We'd had a great run, met some fun and interesting people, covered more than 4,600 miles and I'd added nine new states to my biking dance card. I'll admit that my heart sank a bit when I crossed the Beltway around DC, but with it almost meant I was ten miles for home, central air conditioning, my own bed, a hot meal and a shower. DC certainly rolled out the stinking hot weather. It became increasingly hot and humid as we headed east. Some lessons learned M-7 Keep your kit organized and pack methodically. Five minutes spend organizing at a convenient time will be rewarded with less time spend rummaging for something at an inconvenient time, like when it's dark or raining. M-7 I can't tell you how much I love Givi bags when you're living on what your motorcycle can carry. Click and go. Unfasten and carry into a motel room in a matter of seconds. M-7 ScottOiler: if you have a chain, get one, yesterday. If you have a shaft or belt drive, buy one as a present for your buddy with a chain-driven bike. :) I didn't touch the chain on the whole trip, except to feel the lovely oil film applied by the ScottOiler. You may want to turn it up a notch to compensate for the generally dustier conditions though. M-7 Monitor your tire wear: western roads have rougher surfaces and combined with a heavily laden bike, will eat MC tires (especially sportier rubber) in a big hurry. M-7 Plan a route, but if you're on a schedule, plot shortcuts to save time if need be. M-7 When every imaginable riding position hurts, it's probably time for a break (or a Gold Wing). M-7 The grasshopper is the state bird of Kansas and they sting at 90 mph. M-7 Above all, have fun. If it ain't fun, pull over. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6BNoJNc004650; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:50:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6BNoI2P004645; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:50:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <003a01c22935$1a69ebf0$d72b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711181110.0377f5a0@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Sore wrists Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:45:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Yes, I'd agree with Mike's statements. Your hands are there to manipulate the controls, not to support your upper body. Let your lower back and butt muscles do it. They're designed for the job, after all, since that's what they do it when you're sitting down on a bench with no back, or when you're walking around. On my trip (see verbose trip reports) I didn't have wrist pain at all even after 14 hours of seat time (the butt mostly was the weak link on the mushy stock seat) and was even able to ride all day on a couple of occasions without resorting to over the counter pain meds. Your wrists might benefit from using a throttle rocker and throttle lock too. It gives the right hand a break from the throttle grip. Paul 95 VFR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troutman" To: "DC-Cycles" Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Sore wrists > At 05:43 PM 7/11/2002, Richard Westbrook wrote: > >Has anyone else had this problem and do you think heli bars would help at > >all? I would think heli bars would raise the bars up but not back where I > >need them to go. > > A lot of the people who put Helis on take them back off. The problem is > you are supporting your upper body with your wrists. Consciously transfer > weight to your stomach and lower back. Your body will remember ;-) > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6C1BbNc005399; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:11:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6C1Bah3005394; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:11:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D2E2E5E.7DFA1355@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:18:22 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club U.S.A. www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Westbrook CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Sore wrists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Westbrook wrote: > Last weekend I took my first long ride in a while. Rich, The problem here, is that you don't ride enough. More bike time will strengthen your muscles and eliminate the strain. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6C35vNc006242; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:05:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6C35r7C006226; Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:05:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00bf01c2291b$91f1e480$2b814e0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Dust vs. machine --- Quasimoto Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:43:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Unbelieveable. This is the last, I promise, in this minisaga, but it is such a deserving, possibly benefitting, example. On top of the HP printer and TV set resurrections mentioned in a prior post, a laptop has just been cured by blow and shake -- wrenching it from the jaws of a two-week warranty return. The malady: neither shift key worked, negating many characters. This a newly discovered, but possibly months old (laptop seldom used for text input) affliction. After the usual couple of hours of on-off, online vendor help, diagnostic cd (definitely a hardware issue)etc., sat back and -- recalled recent successes as above. Unplugged it, gently can-aired and blew its orifices and shook it. And powered it up. Voila. Once again a shifting fool. The third recent time Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS) has prevented longterm hardware anguish. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 > Yo terrorists -- I park covered. Dust attack a yawn threat. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CBpdNc009068; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:51:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CBpb95009054; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:51:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437E09@XCGVA030> From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'rwestbrook@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Sore wrists Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:51:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>Last weekend I took my first long ride in a while. It ended up being an eight hour day with just a stop for lunch and gas ups. I recently got a Corbin seat and was very happy with it so my problem was not my butt, it was my wrists>>>>> Rich 95 VFR I just had the same experience recently after installing a used Corbin on my 97 VFR. Being pushed further back in the seat increased the reach to the bars significantly which meant I was leaning forward more and thus more weight on the wrists. I already have GenMar risers, but they don't move the bars back any. I believe the HeliBars do move the bars back some. I've gone back to the stock seat for now. One of my winter projects may be to get the Corbin modified to get rid of the front hump that prevents me from sitting up tight against the tank (which is how I ride on the stock seat). The Corbin does take care of the hot spots on the buns, but it also introduces other problems to overcome. I also found that sitting an inch lower takes my helmet out of the clean air stream and down into the noisier, turbulent air behind the windscreen. YMMV. Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CDJLNc009755; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:19:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CDJJwr009738; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:19:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712091716.02244278@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:18:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Two sightings - Yellow VFR and Red Duc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Was it a lister on a Yellow VFR 800 in Reston at the Mobil station next to me yesterday? Anyone own the Red Ducati parked on the Braddock Road / Fairfax County Parkway ramp? No one was around, so I didn't stop. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CDkpNc010055; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:46:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CDkoem010047; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:46:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9709@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: clothing Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:47:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For another $20 you can buy shin pads for Draggin Jeans and block the wind out from the entire lower leg. Draggin Jeans are by far the tightest pair of jeans I own. A month after I got them they started offering a looser fitting cargo pant. If you're an AMA member you get a discount on the Draggin pants, not sure about the jackets and shirts. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Curtis [mailto:rcurtis@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:18 PM To: Andrew Maddox Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: clothing Draggin Jeans- I'll start by saying that I like mine, but a few nitpicks to consider: The fit isn't exactly like a comfy pair of jeans. The cut is different than say, Levis. Mine seems tight in the thigh. I suggest you go try on a pair at a local retailer. Also- the Kevlar panels don't breath at all. So when it's hot, your ass and knees sweat and the panels kind of stick to you. Not a bad thing at all for protection, but just don't buy them thinking they'll feel like a set of Levi's. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CEE5Nc010466; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:14:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CEE4qR010461; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:14:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E8F1@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: clothing Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:13:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone tried one of these? Thoughts? Bueller? http://www.actionstation.com/crusader.html Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CEV9Nc010754; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:31:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CEV9p3010747; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:31:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020712103001.02268248@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:30:55 -0400 To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: clothing In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E8F1@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:13 AM 7/12/2002 -0400, bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: >Anyone tried one of these? Thoughts? Bueller? >http://www.actionstation.com/crusader.html >Cedric >2000 CBR600F4 >Annandale, VA > >"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" bwahahahahahahahah! yeah RIGHT! If I pull up at Patriot HD on my hog with something like THAT on...well..it ain't gonna be pretty. 8-P _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CEWrNc010817; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:32:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CEWr64010809; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:32:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.97.0.82] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Any retailer of Draggin Jeans in DC? Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:32:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2002 14:32:30.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4127B30:01C229B0] I am interested in the dragging jeans and just wondered if anyone sells them in the DC area. thanks _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CEYCNc010868; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:34:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CEYCLx010862; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:34:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:35:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: clothing In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9709@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > For another $20 you can buy shin pads for Draggin Jeans and block the wind > out from the entire lower leg. > Draggin Jeans are by far the tightest pair of jeans I own. A month after I They weren't THAT tight on me but they are short. I'd order one size longer than you normally wear. I've got a pair for sale if anyone wants them, 38/32. I've gone down from a 38 to a 32 so I don't need them anymore. I've worn them maybe 10 or 15 times. They are like new. $25 and they are yours. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CEnZNc011397; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:49:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CEnZBL011392; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:49:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B88B@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'alpurl@XXXXXX'" Subject: campgrounds Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:53:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain A resource and an opportunity to be useful. A Maggot on SabMag asks: Subject: Texas, Maggots? Hey guys. I need any of you in Texas to contact me. Particularly if you're anywhere near Newton or Newton County. Also, if you've been to the area, and have visited the Sawmill Town USA campground, please contact me with info regarding your experience there. My site (www.alpurl.50megs.com) had a hit from someone who runs this campground and sent me their info asking me to list them on my motorcycling friendly campgrounds page (www.alpurl.50megs.com/mc_friendly_camping.htm). This I will do, as it's helpful to other travelling motorcyclists. But, it's nice to be able to say that others have had a positive experience, or to be able to list any caveats that motorcyclists should be aware of. Hello , We have a motorcycle campground here in east Texas we would so much like to add if you would here is are web site We rent the town to Lg groups But we are open year round to bikers a town all for bikes we do two rallys a year you will as well find posted on are web site of the past three we have one in oct of every year along with one in june .Dont know what elss to add here but Thank you nice site Sincerely: Bubbles :-) Sawmilltown U.S.A. Motorcycle Campgrounds Rt.3 Box 1121 Newton Tx.75966 Fax / Phone 409-379-3851 http://www.newton-texas.com http://www.geocities.com/sawmilltown/ This one is still up but much out of date wasdone over a year ago. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CFqiNA002324; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:52:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CFqcfP002308; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:52:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020712155223.69508.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: looking for inexpensive bike To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A mate (without a cage) wants to get back into riding after a few years off. A local deal on a Seca-II didn't work out. Looking for 600 to 750cc inline 4's or thereabouts. FZR's, Seca-II's, 650cc+ nighthawks, that sort of thing. For about $1500. anyone got something they want to sell this weekend? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CIkVNA003489; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:46:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CIkUUQ003481; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:46:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020712184614.57618.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Ride-to-Lunch in Alexandria on Ride-to-Work Day! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020712103001.02268248@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 99th Annual Crystal City Ride-to-Lunch! Next Wednesday, July 17th, is national Ride to Work Day. We thought that would be a good day for our next ride to lunch as well. Thus, anyone interested in riding down the Parkway to Chadwicks in Old Town Alexandria for lunch is invited to meet up at the bike parking area, Crystal Drive and 20th Street, at 11:30 on July 17th. If you can't meet to ride, you're also welcome to meet us at noon at Chadwick's, 203 S. Strand St. A map is available on the flyer at http://www.xhost.org/cccycles/chadwicks.pdf/. Thanks - Larry and Chris (703.306.2681) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CJ5bNA003838; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:05:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CJ5bel003833; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:05:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11c.13f7f34f.2a608262@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:05:06 EDT Subject: Re: Back from Wyo. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/9/2002 9:40:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, piffiffi@XXXXXX writes: > Everyone should > go out west on their motorcycle to clear out their minds Truer words were never spoken. I am just ready to add "every couple of years" _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CJ7tNA003884; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:07:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CJ7tkh003878; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:07:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <102.17f52654.2a6082eb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:07:23 EDT Subject: Re: Wyoming trip report- part I (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/9/2002 10:42:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Been thru a few long states - TN, NC, and don't forget VA from the beach to > southwestern tip. I-10 through Texas OVER 900mi. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CJFiNA004213; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:15:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CJFhQg004206; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:15:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <173.b238121.2a6084ad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:14:53 EDT Subject: Re: Tassel and card mod To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/10/2002 9:14:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, adamme1@XXXXXX writes: > Ye GAD Man! "Get wet"???? Doesn't that void the warranty????? The first fuel injected Kawa said not to ride it in heavy rain. No kidding. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CJrsNA004674; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:53:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CJrsp3004669; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:53:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200207121953.PAA08022@boo-mda02.boo.net> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: jcohen@XXXXXX Subject: Sunday Morning Ride Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:53:43 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 Anyone up for a ride this sunday morning? I'm not looking to lead a large group ride, but I would like to hook up with a few people who are interested in a ride early Sunday morning. I live in DC, but I typically ride west around Front Royal or North around Fredrick. I usually ride for about 3 to 4 hours. Obligatory Disclosure: I've been riding for about 5 years, during which time I've worked my way up from a small dual sport to a 600cc sportbike. I've spent some time on the track (most recently in May), but I've never raced. My typical rides are at a moderate pace (i.e., I'm not paying attention to the scenery, but I'm also not riding like a bat out of hell). I wear full protective gear, and I don't want to ride with anyone who prefers to do without. One more thing: I'm on digest mode, so please send any replies directly to me. Thanks, and I hope to meet up with some of you this weekend. -Kurt --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using Endymion MailMan. http://www.endymion.com/products/mailman/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CK2YNA004779; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:02:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CK2YR0004771; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:02:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020712200218.60024.qmail@web21402.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Ride-to-Lunch in Alexandria on Ride-to-Work Day! To: jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't remember most of the names -- mostly the people who work on the west side of Crystal Drive. Met a female commuter on a BMW parked there today as I was passing out flyers. Anywhere from 3 (winter) to 20(today) bikes, depending on the weather. Usually an equal mix of cruisers and sportbikes. Including, for the past month or so, an Aprilia Futura the same red as my Falco -- haven't met the owner yet. -- Larry --- Jon Strang wrote: > who all parks at Crystal Drive and 20th street? I > always see bikes there... > > --jon > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Larson [mailto:entrpoop@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 2:46 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Ride-to-Lunch in Alexandria on > Ride-to-Work Day! > > > > > > 99th Annual Crystal City Ride-to-Lunch! > > > > Next Wednesday, July 17th, is national Ride to > Work > > Day. We thought that would be a good day for our > next > > ride to lunch as well. Thus, anyone interested in > > riding down the Parkway to Chadwicks in Old Town > > Alexandria for lunch is invited to meet up at the > bike > > parking area, Crystal Drive and 20th Street, at > 11:30 > > on July 17th. If you can't meet to ride, you're > also > > welcome to meet us at noon at Chadwick's, 203 S. > > Strand St. A map is available on the flyer at > > http://www.xhost.org/cccycles/chadwicks.pdf/. > > > > Thanks - Larry and Chris (703.306.2681) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CK5aNA004957; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:05:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CK5aB3004949; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:05:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020712200521.19018.qmail@web21404.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:05:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Ride-to-Lunch in Alexandria on Ride-to-Work Day! To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <005101c229d5$f9c97ea0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paul Wilson wrote: > 99th Annual? Ride-to-Lunch has been around as long > as the "Motor Company"? > Who knew. Hey, if creative counting is good enough for Triumph, it's good enough for me. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6CKa0NA005432; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:36:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6CKa0Ba005426; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:36:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020712203540.23798.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:35:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Germuga Subject: Remember Kirby To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am in digest mode and haven't read all the way through them, so I apoligize if this is a repeat. I met Kirby in the MSF instuctor prep course over the winter. I didn't get to know him too well, but he was certainly dedicated to being a good instructor. There was a service for him on Wednesday, and amist all the other stuff I had going on, it was looking like I wasn't going to be able to make it. But after thinking about it, I asked myself if I were in his shoes, would he be there at my service. From the brief time I did know him I would say, absolutely! So I put down whatever it was I had going on and went, and I am glad I did. It was much more uplifting than I had imagined it would be. Apparently Kirby was quite the character, and an inspiration to many. He inspired me to remember to live life to it's fullest. I only wish I had taken the time to get to know him better. Hopefully, I will not make that mistake for other people in my life. There is a website dedicated to his memory. If you get a chance, check it out at http://www.vernefrax.com/rememberkirby.html John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6D2fNNA007983; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6D2fMBl007975; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:41:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c22a16$39904b00$1e422c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Calling Richard Westbrook. Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:37:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Contact me please. Todd _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6DBeaNA010532; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:40:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6DBeXiv010513; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:40:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c22a61$8319dde0$0b362c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Bike Cover Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:36:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Anyone have information on sourcing a cover for a motorcycle that packs down tight? I've got an old OSI cover that packs to about 14"x11" if I struggle. I'm looking for something that will pack to about 10"x8" or smaller. This must fit a KLR650. I'm also interested in ready-made-cover alternatives. The priority here is to a) cover the bike to thwart opportunists and, b) keep the saddle out of the wx. Thanks, Todd (Springfield, VA) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6DBpxNA010708; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:51:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6DBpxIQ010703; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:51:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013b01c22a64$28f97b10$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <019301c2277b$20db5160$bb82fea9@palladio1> Subject: Re: Smart Tag Fun - Resolved Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:55:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > Still catching up on email, but what's this about "SmartTags not designed > for MC use." A paraphrase of a statement by the SmartTag folks. It was my > understanding that federal law requires any sort of automated highway system > to accommodate all highway users. Perhaps this is something the AMA should > take up. Both Maryland's M-Tag and EZ-Pass have moto models. Of course > VDOT, hopelessly mired in Richmond provinciality, thinks no one would *ever* > use both the Dulles Toll Road and the Bay Bridge or the Balmer tunnels so > SmartTag is incompatible with those systems. Federal law does require the consideration/inclusion of motorcycles in Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS). I don't remember exactly how the law is worded. Electronic Toll Collection Systems are part of ITS and must accommodate motorcycles. This is one of the arguments that we used in Maryland while working with MTA to resolve motorcycle problems with M-Tag. VDOT needs to be reminded of the same thing. Also, we have both MRF and AMA to thank for getting the motorcycle inclusion language in the ITS legislation. They were the ones who pushed the initiative and insisted that motorcycles should be included in ITS. Kathleen Loerich _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6E0CjNA014955; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:12:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6E0CfZ1014939; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:12:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2003 Harleys (100th anniversary series) now on their web site Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 00:11:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 00:11:28.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFC89110:01C22ACA] For anyone interested in Harleys, they have just put the 2003 models on their web site: http://www.harley-davidson.com/en/home.asp?bmLocale=en_US Hopefully there is more than just me and Tom that ride Harleys on this list. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6E0uNNA015284; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:56:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6E0uNig015280; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:56:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020714005621.73685.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 17:56:21 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: end of an era - AKA new bike in the stable To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It was bound to happen. Riding around on my '95 HOnda Nighthawk wearing a Kawasaki badged leather jacket my days were numbered. We all know that mixing vendors in such ways is tantamount to treason. So, do I replace the jacket or the bike? Well, I sold the NH to a friend Friday evening for a sum well within his ability to pay. I've seen '93s go for 2.5 or 3K and '95 or '96s go for 3.5 or even more but with 75606 miles on my particular example, sub-2k seemed like a reasonable price-point even if it had been zooked up with fully adjustable suspension at both ends. Sat (this) morning around 9 I picked up a 2001 Kawi ZR-7S from down in Staunton. Yay, my first actually 'new' bike. 3 more years on the extended warranty and a scant 4k miles on the clock. And for 500 less than MCN's used bike value suggested. But from parusing cycletrader or ebay etc. the price of 4500 was fully within the ball-park and it was local which was a plus. pics of the bike I picked up are at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838970765 Now I just need to find a better priced source for the GIVI rack and bags vs what Kawi wants for them. I'm still going to keep my fingers in CB750's since the guy who bought it is having me store all the spares and bits for him for the time-being and will need shop services in the not too distant future for like wheel swaps and tire changes. If only Honda USA would pull their head out of ....... I wouldn't even pause to buy a Euro-spec Nighthawk. When I go to Honda Homecoming (yes, on the Kawi) I hope I can find a suitable clue-stick to beat them up with. Kawi's offering is simply much better than the US cb750. All it would take to clean Kawi's clock is to bring the Euro over and likewise soundly trounce the likes of the Bandit 600. The NH mill is one very sweet machine but the rest of the experience is let down because Honda US apparently doesn't want to bother despite having every last part in active distribution. But here's to seeing if I can rack up 35k miles in just a touch over 2 years on the Kawi. I just gotta stop spending money like it's going out of style. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6E2KYNA015776; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:20:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6E2KXiJ015767; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:20:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020713215811.04072730@winters.cc> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:19:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: 2003 Harleys (100th anniversary series) now on their web site In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:11 PM 7/13/2002, Tim Spong wrote: >For anyone interested in Harleys, they have just put the 2003 models on >their web site: > >http://www.harley-davidson.com/en/home.asp?bmLocale=en_US Gee, I'm a little disappointed! No new models. No bigger engines. No six-speed transmissions. Just: - cloisonne tank badge - stripe - %5 to 9% price increase! Where's da beef?! /// Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6E3URNA016258; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:30:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6E3UQHJ016249; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:30:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020713225931.00b13dc8@winters.cc> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:29:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: 2003 Harleys and squidly close encounters in NJ In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020713223308.00b9e030@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020713215811.04072730@winters.cc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:37 PM 7/13/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >actually on the limited Edition Road King it has a punched out 103ci TC88 >instead of the 95ci Oh, right. Harley "Custom Vehicle Operations". Only, ... $28,000?! For that kind of dough, you could build a custom vehicle unlike all of the other thousands of identical "custom" vehicles -- what a concept! :-) >and I heard you can special order the 103ci engine as an option. Didn't see that on the price list for any of the models I looked at. I know you can order the Screamin' Eagle kit and pay a dealer to install it. But you can do that on a 2002 model, so nothing new there. BTW, I was caging it back from NYC today. NJTP, express lanes, slow traffic, some sort of accident. Come across a police car, one or two other cars, and a large number of sport bikers (20?). Something happened in the center lane, and was about cleaned up except for the sweeping. From what I saw, I'm guessing a bike rammed a car. 10 minutes later, still heavy traffic, 40mph or so. The sport bikers coming *flying* through the traffic. On the shoulders, down both dotted white lines, in and out of cars, extreme rate of speed and extreme squidliness. Freaked out a number of drivers, further screwing up traffic. It was like a scene from Mad Max, I kid you not. 30 minutes later; we encounter all the sport bikers pulled over again, this time in three clumps spread out over about a mile. Two of the bikers in the rear clump are sorting out bodywork and frame damage -- clearly they hit each other -- no car this time. Gee, I wonder why it's so hard to get reasonable motorcycle insurance? /// Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6E3qPNA016488; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:52:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6E3qPKW016483; Sat, 13 Jul 2002 23:52:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020714035218.68895.qmail@web20104.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:52:18 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: West VA Ride - Dan's luck runs short To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gravel isn't near the danger that your mind says it is. freaking out over it gets many a rider into trouble they wouldn't otherwise have had gotten into. I'm sorry to hear of your multiple mishaps but glad you escaped essentially intact. When you have a chance get yourself a cheaper, more bustable bike (ie one without the schmancy plastic) and deliberately go ride on dirty roads. Try Braddock road at the Fairfax/Loudoun county line where it goes from pavement to pure hardpack and gravel. As they say in flying, first fly the damn plane. Same with bikes. I'm no expert on gravel but repeated exposure to it as alleviated my concerns to a fair degree and I don't have near the "oh shit" sort of response I used to when I first started out. I got caught out on an OK byway that wasn't much more than a dirt track with sometimes deep gravel (like track run-off) that was a challenge when toting 70 odd pounds of gear on the back of the CB750. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ECMEU7016202; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:22:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ECMAQs016189; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:22:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020714081432.00b37e50@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 08:21:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: 2003 Harleys and squidly close encounters in NJ In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020713225931.00b13dc8@winters.cc> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020713223308.00b9e030@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020713215811.04072730@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:29 PM 7/13/2002 -0400, Rob Winters wrote: >At 10:37 PM 7/13/2002, Aki Damme wrote: >>actually on the limited Edition Road King it has a punched out 103ci TC88 >>instead of the 95ci > >Oh, right. Harley "Custom Vehicle Operations". Only, ... $28,000?! no kidding. add the mandatory 2003, new bike dealer markup and it'll easilly be in the $30k range. There isn't any mass produced bike on the planet IMHO, that's worth 30k. I mean, come on, that's a pretty decent car...2k more and you can buy a Durango. >For that kind of dough, you could build a custom vehicle unlike all of the >other thousands of identical "custom" vehicles -- what a concept! :-) yeah, and have a larger engine, more hp and a personal paint job. >>and I heard you can special order the 103ci engine as an option. > >Didn't see that on the price list for any of the models I looked at. ..it was mentioned on the TC88 list from a member that is a dealer. >I know you can order the Screamin' Eagle kit and pay a dealer to install >it. But you can do that on a 2002 model, so nothing new there. ...I think it's a similar program but I *think* you can order the bike from the factory with the larger engine. I agree though, except for the SE RK and Deuce, everything else is basically a rehash of 01 and 02 with fancy badges and paint jobs and newer (e.g. higher) prices. HD better watch out, the economy is still soft, they keep bumping up the prices and we'll start to see more and more bikes gathering dust on dealer room floors. >BTW, I was caging it back from NYC today. NJTP, express lanes, slow >traffic, some sort of accident. Come across a police car, one or two other >cars, and a large number of sport bikers (20?). Something happened in the >center lane, and was about cleaned up except for the sweeping. From what I >saw, I'm guessing a bike rammed a car. > >10 minutes later, still heavy traffic, 40mph or so. The sport bikers >coming *flying* through the traffic. On the shoulders, down both dotted >white lines, in and out of cars, extreme rate of speed and extreme >squidliness. Freaked out a number of drivers, further screwing up traffic. >It was like a scene from Mad Max, I kid you not. > >30 minutes later; we encounter all the sport bikers pulled over again, >this time in three clumps spread out over about a mile. Two of the bikers >in the rear clump are sorting out bodywork and frame damage -- clearly >they hit each other -- no car this time. > >Gee, I wonder why it's so hard to get reasonable motorcycle insurance? > > /// Rob stupid idiots...Darwinism at work...I just hope that the cops slapped each and every one of them with a monsterous fine and charged them with reckless. Crap like that will get somebody killed. It's no wonder that sport bikes have a 3 year life expectancy. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6EEB2U7016978; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:11:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6EEB137016971; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:11:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <172.b3151d0.2a62e062@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 10:10:42 EDT Subject: Re: Wyo. trip - the end To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6EEAwU7016959 In a message dated 7/11/2002 7:40:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > M-7 Above all, have fun. If it ain't fun, pull over. Few words, great truth. Great trip report(s) those kinds of trips create lifelong memories, thanks for sharing. To those who are talking/dreaming about a trip like this, you just have to stop talking and do it. *There will _never_ be a perfect time* Do it now or spend your life wishing you had. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6EFrwU7017771; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:53:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6EFrwc4017763; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:53:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020714114826.009f2d90@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:51:32 -0400 To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: end of an era - AKA new bike in the stable In-Reply-To: <20020714005621.73685.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:56 PM 7/13/02, matthew patton wrote: >If only Honda USA would pull their head out of ....... I wouldn't even >pause to buy a Euro-spec Nighthawk. When I go to Honda Homecoming (yes, >on the Kawi) I hope I can find a suitable clue-stick to beat them up >with. Kawi's offering is simply much better than the US cb750. All it >would take to clean Kawi's clock is to bring the Euro over and likewise >soundly trounce the likes of the Bandit 600. Looks like you got an excellent buy on a very clean machine. But regarding the above, have you looked at the 919? Other than price, why even consider a NH? -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6EKE6U7020003; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:14:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6EKE1LL019985; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:14:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.249.198.26] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Wyoming trip. Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:12:53 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 20:12:53.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5FF0000:01C22B72] Something tells me that Paul took his lessons learned from my own mistakes: I had two side bags and a tank bag that were really old. They aren't waterproof, and i put all the stuff in trash bags and then stuff the bags inside the side bags and tank bag. I also had a small racksack strapped on the back of my seat over the side bags. I never remembered where anything was! i could never find something to clean my helmet, and more in general was always the last one to start up the engine at every departure from a hotel, restaurant or gas station. I also wanted to listen to music, and before starting up i had to put the ear plugs in. On the other hand, i had a corbin seat, and paul didn't, and my but never hurt ;) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6EKGUU7020040; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:16:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6EKGTbW020031; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Cover Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 16:15:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2002 20:15:18.0317 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C3C2DD0:01C22B73] Have you tried putting it in one of those compression sacks? (available at Galyan's or an HTO type of store) That might bring it down to the size you're looking for. I've got a Dowco Guardian cover that can be compressed enough to fit inside a passenger helmet when space gets tight. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Bike Cover Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:36:20 -0400 Anyone have information on sourcing a cover for a motorcycle that packs down tight? I've got an old OSI cover that packs to about 14"x11" if I struggle. I'm looking for something that will pack to about 10"x8" or smaller. This must fit a KLR650. I'm also interested in ready-made-cover alternatives. The priority here is to a) cover the bike to thwart opportunists and, b) keep the saddle out of the wx. Thanks, Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6F1aVcn002165; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:36:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6F1aG39002146; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:36:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00a801c22b9e$f558cd60$3c2b2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Pierre C" , , References: Subject: Re: Wyoming trip. Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:28:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I'm speaking from my own past experiences too. I've used the Givis on enough trips I have the system down. It took a couple of trips. I've also killed the "over-packing" dragon. I think this time I used every single thing I took with me, instead of packing a lot of stuff I didn't end up using, which is what has happened in the past. I still prefer to use the tank bag for frequently needed items, instead of the Givi cases. No need to use keys, and it helps get some weight toward the front of the bike. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierre C" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: RE: Wyoming trip. > Something tells me that Paul took his lessons learned from my own mistakes: > I had two side bags and a tank bag that were really old. They aren't > waterproof, and i put all the stuff in trash bags and then stuff the bags > inside the side bags and tank bag. I also had a small racksack strapped on > the back of my seat over the side bags. I never remembered where anything > was! i could never find something to clean my helmet, and more in general > was always the last one to start up the engine at every departure from a > hotel, restaurant or gas station. I also wanted to listen to music, and > before starting up i had to put the ear plugs in. On the other hand, i had > a corbin seat, and paul didn't, and my but never hurt ;) > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The VF/VFR mailing list--see http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr-list/ > for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6F1wXcn002383; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:58:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6F1wWHo002375; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:58:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: Subject: RE: 2003 Harleys and squidly close encounters in NJ Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:07:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c22bac$b723c820$e31ba9ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020714081432.00b37e50@pop.east.cox.net> Regarding Rob's story of squidliness, I got to see a pretty squidly incident over the weekend myself. I was on South Dakota Ave on Saturday; sportbike comes racing up the dotted line between the traffic lane and the parking lane. The dude is flying and I am halfway through the obligatory under-my-breath curses when << SMACK!!!>> dude whacks into a car that was parked just a tad too far from the curb (bascially just clipped the bumper, dumped but not too hideously). Methinks it had something to do with the gaggle of girlies in tube tops across the street?! Nothing hurt but his pride... but it sure made my day! cheers, Patti _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6F2IFcn002632; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:18:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6F2IEjt002627; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:18:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D32323B.DDE102F@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:23:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Larson CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride-to-Lunch in Alexandria on Ride-to-Work Day! References: <20020712184614.57618.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dang, can't make it. But if y`all have a doggie bag you're welcome to drop it off at the NVCC Alexandria campus motorcycle range where I'll be doing the ridercoach thang. Bill Larry Larson wrote: > 99th Annual Crystal City Ride-to-Lunch! > > Next Wednesday, July 17th, is national Ride to Work > Day. We thought that would be a good day for our next > ride to lunch as well. Thus, anyone interested in > riding down the Parkway to Chadwicks in Old Town > Alexandria for lunch is invited to meet up at the bike > parking area, Crystal Drive and 20th Street, at 11:30 > on July 17th. If you can't meet to ride, you're also > welcome to meet us at noon at Chadwick's, 203 S. > Strand St. A map is available on the flyer at > http://www.xhost.org/cccycles/chadwicks.pdf/. > > Thanks - Larry and Chris (703.306.2681) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FDfjP4002916; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:41:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FDfWGt002897; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:41:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C97DD@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Cover Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:42:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How much does one of them cost? From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:15 PM Have you tried putting it in one of those compression sacks? (available at Galyan's or an HTO type of store) That might bring it down to the size you're looking for. I've got a Dowco Guardian cover that can be compressed enough to fit inside a passenger helmet when space gets tight. Just a thought. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FDs7P4003244; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:54:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FDs64b003236; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:54:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Cover Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:52:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 13:52:56.0520 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC458480:01C22C06] At Aerostich: http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store (then go to Tank Bags and Saddlebags, page 6 of 6, top) Small (6.5" x 16.5") $25.00 Medium (8" x 18.5") $27.00 Large (9" x 20") $29.00 X-Large (10" x 21") $31.00 I'm pretty sure I got mine at Galyan's for a few bucks cheaper per bag. And they had all black ones, IIRC. Should be available at an REI or HTO, as well. Hope this helps. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Cover Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:42:03 -0400 How much does one of them cost? From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:15 PM Have you tried putting it in one of those compression sacks? (available at Galyan's or an HTO type of store) That might bring it down to the size you're looking for. I've got a Dowco Guardian cover that can be compressed enough to fit inside a passenger helmet when space gets tight. Just a thought. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FDulP4003401; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:56:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FDukMZ003391; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:56:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D32D5F3.EFFAE1D0@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:02:27 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Hall CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Cover References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C97DD@SERVER1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few bucks. Anyplace that sells camping supplys has compression sacks AKA "stuff" sacks in a variety of sizes and colors. I have an assortment of sizes, a must for the traveling motorcyclist. Bill Rich Hall wrote: > How much does one of them cost? > > From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:15 PM > > Have you tried putting it in one of those compression sacks? (available at > Galyan's or an HTO type of store) That might bring it down to the size > you're looking for. I've got a Dowco Guardian cover that can be compressed > enough to fit inside a passenger helmet when space gets tight. Just a > thought. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FE1oP4003828; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:01:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FE1mMV003819; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:01:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D32D721.13E657C9@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:07:29 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Keiser CC: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Cover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit YIPES! Talk about motorcycle unfriendly prices! $25 to $31 for a stuff sack!!! Jeez-o-flip, methinks the sack got stuffed up you-know-where. Appalachian Outfitters (yuppie camping store) doesn't even rape you that bad for stuff sacks. Bill Rob Keiser wrote: > At Aerostich: > > http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store > (then go to Tank Bags and Saddlebags, page 6 of 6, top) > > Small (6.5" x 16.5") $25.00 > Medium (8" x 18.5") $27.00 > Large (9" x 20") $29.00 > X-Large (10" x 21") $31.00 > > I'm pretty sure I got mine at Galyan's for a few bucks cheaper per bag. And > they had all black ones, IIRC. Should be available at an REI or HTO, as > well. > > Hope this helps. > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > > From: Rich Hall > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Bike Cover > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:42:03 -0400 > > How much does one of them cost? > > From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:15 PM > > Have you tried putting it in one of those compression sacks? (available at > Galyan's or an HTO type of store) That might bring it down to the size > you're looking for. I've got a Dowco Guardian cover that can be compressed > enough to fit inside a passenger helmet when space gets tight. Just a > thought. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FEVbP4004346; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:31:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FEVada004341; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:31:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715143125.67782.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Bike Cover To: Rob Keiser , RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: boy_lurker@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii compression sacks should be bought at an outfitter store rather than riderwearhouse. prices are approximately half of those quoted below. this doesn't solve mr. peer's problems, however (and there are MANY!) todd, there is an add every month in the back of sportrider/ motorcyclist which shows a tightly covered m/c. try the following: http://www.gezagear.com they're actually located in south riding, va (26089 iverson drive 20152).... swing in on your way home from work, beaaatch. --- Rob Keiser wrote: > At Aerostich: > > http://www.aerostich.com/riderwearhouse.store > (then go to Tank Bags and Saddlebags, page 6 of 6, top) > > Small (6.5" x 16.5") $25.00 > Medium (8" x 18.5") $27.00 > Large (9" x 20") $29.00 > X-Large (10" x 21") $31.00 > > I'm pretty sure I got mine at Galyan's for a few bucks > cheaper per bag. And > they had all black ones, IIRC. Should be available at an > REI or HTO, as > well. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FF1xP4005010; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:01:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FF1w2Z005002; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:01:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715150147.10509.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I can't really spend the time to go all the way to Alexandria during lunch. Will there be a Western lunch anywhere? Last year's lunch at Emilios in Sterling was good. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFBYP4005344; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:11:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFBWLA005335; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:11:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715111024.0236c7f0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:10:59 -0400 To: DCC From: Troutman Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: <20020715150147.10509.qmail@web9705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mmmm. Tortilla Factory in Herndon..... At 11:01 AM 7/15/2002, Scratch wrote: >I can't really spend the time to go all the way to >Alexandria during lunch. Will there be a Western >lunch anywhere? Last year's lunch at Emilios in >Sterling was good. > >Thanks, > >Rich > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFHMP4005659; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:17:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFHLTP005650; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:17:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Scratch'" , DCC Subject: RE: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:17:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain Anybody in Rockville doing anything. I am riding in to work maybe something closer to Rockville. -----Original Message----- From: Scratch [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:02 AM To: DCC Subject: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? I can't really spend the time to go all the way to Alexandria during lunch. Will there be a Western lunch anywhere? Last year's lunch at Emilios in Sterling was good. Thanks, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFJeP4005931; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:19:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFJd0u005923; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:19:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:18:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 15:18:32.0907 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1CBF9B0:01C22C12] Hmmm...that could be an option... Perry (currently working in Herndon) >From: Troutman >To: DCC >Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:10:59 -0400 > >Mmmm. Tortilla Factory in Herndon..... > >At 11:01 AM 7/15/2002, Scratch wrote: >>I can't really spend the time to go all the way to >>Alexandria during lunch. Will there be a Western >>lunch anywhere? Last year's lunch at Emilios in >>Sterling was good. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Rich >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >>http://autos.yahoo.com > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFLZP4006108; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFLXIi006098; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:21:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: DCC Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715111024.0236c7f0@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? (no promises, but, thats reachable for me) On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Troutman wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:10:59 -0400 > From: Troutman > To: DCC > Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? > > Mmmm. Tortilla Factory in Herndon..... > > At 11:01 AM 7/15/2002, Scratch wrote: > >I can't really spend the time to go all the way to > >Alexandria during lunch. Will there be a Western > >lunch anywhere? Last year's lunch at Emilios in > >Sterling was good. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Rich -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFPPP4006508; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:25:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFPNlh006499; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:25:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:25:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: DCC Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? (no promises, but, thats reachable for me) Me as well. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations/DNS Engineering cerberus@XXXXXX "Karate Bagels presents: Easter colored bagels" Irony. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFWvP4006813; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:32:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFWupQ006804; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:32:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013001c22c15$7c619320$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Steppin' out Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:32:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 A friend had given me a "slightly" used set of Dunlop D207s and seeing how my old set of 207s was shagged (showing cords) after the Wyoming trip. What the heck, get a couple thousand miles out of them and then bin 'em? So I took the wheels off, had them mounted and then re-mounted the wheels on the bike, did a couple of other maintenance chores, replaced the rear pads, washed the bike, and then set off on the obligatory test ride. Very near my house there is a sharp right-hand turn followed by a freeway on-ramp that has a steep incline: the perfect spot for beefy first-gear roll ons. And the Micron wails there in between the concrete walls that rise on each side. It's on my commute route, so I go up this thing at least five times a week and was feeling a little frisky on a traffic-free Saturday evening. So, I start leaning, grab the usual handful on the right grip and the bike feels like it's on ice. Wham, a violent jerk to the left as the tire spins up and starts skidding. Then the tire must have regained traction, the bike lurches suddenly to the right leaning to the left (as the rear wheel tries to follow the front) and before I know it my left knee and toes are scraping on the deck. Somehow, through all this, I managed to stay loose on the bars, off the brakes and kept a clear head, emerging unscathed at the top of the incline. Whew....can you say "extreme pucker factor"? As Bill Huson once said, "freeway ramps are no place to play." I went back there yesterday. There was no diesel spill, etc., so it was all pilot error for playing hard on "new" tires. On closer inspection the edges of the used tire were a bit glazed from prior heat cycles. Perhaps they'd been ridden hard? Given this I should have treated it just like a brand new tire that's not yet scrubbed. Paul the DC Squid 95 VFR _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFhAP4007149; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:43:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFh9rE007140; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:43:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020715114241.00bae948@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:43:01 -0400 To: Dave Paper , DCC From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed No guarantee, but if we have a Herndon meet, I might be able to make it as well. cheers, -aki At 11:25 AM 7/15/2002 -0400, Dave Paper wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > > > > Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? (no promises, but, thats reachable for me) > >Me as well. > >-dave > >-- >Dave Paper AOL Network Operations/DNS Engineering cerberus@XXXXXX > >"Karate Bagels presents: Easter colored bagels" Irony. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFiFP4007308; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:44:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFiDUm007298; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:44:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715154406.1814.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Steppin' out To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <013001c22c15$7c619320$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i think this was more of a cold tire problem than a scrub-in issue. good save though.... --- Paul Wilson wrote: > A friend had given me a "slightly" used set of Dunlop > D207s and seeing how > my old set of 207s was shagged (showing cords) after the > Wyoming trip. What > the heck, get a couple thousand miles out of them and > then bin 'em? So I > took the wheels off, had them mounted and then re-mounted > the wheels on the > bike, did a couple of other maintenance chores, replaced > the rear pads, > washed the bike, and then set off on the obligatory test > ride. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FFqDP4007557; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:52:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FFqCxL007549; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:52:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715115053.02373850@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:51:51 -0400 To: DCC From: Troutman Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020715111024.0236c7f0@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed See you all there at 11:30. If its nice out, see you in the parking lot by your bike. Otherwise - see you inside ;-) At 11:24 AM 7/15/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FG0SP4007889; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:00:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FG0Q7s007881; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:00:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <119.14779a26.2a644b76@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:59:50 EDT Subject: Re: Steppin' out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/15/2002 11:33:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Somehow, through all this, I managed to stay loose on the > bars, off the brakes and kept a clear head One of the hardest things to do, but the solution to most emergencys. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FGZ5P4008812; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:35:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FGZ395008804; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:35:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 Jul 2002 16:34:45 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Steppin' out X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020715093445.5784.h011.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Mon, 15 July 2002, "Paul Wilson" wrote > So, I start leaning, grab the usual handful on the right grip and the bike > feels like it's on ice. Wham, a violent jerk to the left as the tire spins > up and starts skidding. Then the tire must have regained traction, the bike > lurches suddenly to the right leaning to the left (as the rear wheel tries > to follow the front) and before I know it my left knee and toes are scraping > on the deck. Somehow, through all this, I managed to stay loose on the > bars, off the brakes and kept a clear head, emerging unscathed at the top of > the incline. Paul, i'm glad to hear you're ok. It could have been an ugly situation! Glad to hear you stayed relaxed and got through!!! Roach recently had an incident like this...we were at a track day last weekend. His rear wheel stepped out, hooked up...bam! Highsided himself. Broke his left foot and his left arm. His left arm was bad enough for surgery. No more riding for us the rest of the season. I hope all will send him his well wishes. I think I'll bring him to the next bike night (when is that?) so we can all make fun of him. ;) LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FGcbP4009091; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FGcaN4009082; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:38:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.98.144.213] From: "Ram Srinivasan" To: Subject: Good Mechanic/Dealer in DC/NoVA area? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:36:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 16:38:28.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[0C6EBC60:01C22C1E] Hi Folks I'm a newbie to the list and in the process of resurrecting my motorcycle, so pardon the FAQ. I live in Falls Church, do any of you have recommendations on a Mechanic or Dealer that does good work for a fair price? I need some front brake work done on my GS500. (Basically, I'm not get much stopping power, I actually bought the Clymer's manual, and am wondering how hard or easy is get this fixed) Many thanx -Ram (rksdc@XXXXXX) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FH9EP4009506; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:09:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FH9DV3009498; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:09:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DDF106B7@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:09:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Herndon doesn't sound too bad (im in mclean) -- but its gonna be a scorcher, 95 with humidity!! Brian -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:52 AM To: DCC Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? See you all there at 11:30. If its nice out, see you in the parking lot by your bike. Otherwise - see you inside ;-) At 11:24 AM 7/15/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: >Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FHKrP4009854; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:20:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FHKqnJ009846; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:20:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020715132003.00b2a5f0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:20:42 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DDF106B7@lmimaila.lmi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Ok, now I'm confused. Is the Wednesday lunch in Herndon or someplace else? And where? -aki At 01:09 PM 7/15/2002 -0400, ROBERSON, Brian wrote: >Herndon doesn't sound too bad (im in mclean) -- but its gonna be a scorcher, >95 with humidity!! > >Brian > >-----Original Message----- >From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:52 AM >To: DCC >Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? > > >See you all there at 11:30. If its nice out, see you in the parking lot by >your bike. Otherwise - see you inside ;-) > >At 11:24 AM 7/15/2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > >Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > 1997 Honda VFR 750 > AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FHLtP4010128; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:21:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FHLsd2010119; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:21:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715172148.69443.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Steppin' out To: LAURA GRANATO , pawilson@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020715093445.5784.h011.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Mon, 15 July 2002, "Paul Wilson" wrote > > So, I start leaning, grab the usual handful on the > right grip and the bike > > feels like it's on ice. Wham, a violent jerk to the > left as the tire spins > > up and starts skidding. Then the tire must have > regained traction, the bike > > lurches suddenly to the right leaning to the left (as > the rear wheel tries > > to follow the front) and before I know it my left > knee and toes are scraping > > on the deck. Somehow, through all this, I managed to > stay loose on the > > bars, off the brakes and kept a clear head, emerging > unscathed at the top of > > the incline. > > Paul, i'm glad to hear you're ok. It could have been an > ugly situation! Glad to hear you stayed relaxed and > got through!!! > > Roach recently had an incident like this...we were at a > track day last weekend. His rear wheel stepped out, > hooked up...bam! Highsided himself. Broke his left > foot and his left arm. His left arm was bad enough for > surgery. No more riding for us the rest of the season. > I hope all will send him his well wishes. I think > I'll bring him to the next bike night (when is that?) > so we can all make fun of him. ;) so are you two back together, or what? it is so hard to stay up to date with these things.... glad to hear the damage to mr. roach was relatively minimal. how's the demerol treating you, roachie??? ;) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FHUDP4010436; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:30:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FHUC8V010428; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:30:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Sandler, Mike" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Mechanic/Dealer in DC/NoVA area? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:17:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Do it yourself, no other repair is so easy and cheap. New pads, check lines, drain DOT4, add new, bleed well. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ram Srinivasan [mailto:rksdc@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 12:36 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Good Mechanic/Dealer in DC/NoVA area? Hi Folks I'm a newbie to the list and in the process of resurrecting my motorcycle, so pardon the FAQ. I live in Falls Church, do any of you have recommendations on a Mechanic or Dealer that does good work for a fair price? I need some front brake work done on my GS500. (Basically, I'm not get much stopping power, I actually bought the Clymer's manual, and am wondering how hard or easy is get this fixed) Many thanx -Ram (rksdc@XXXXXX) *********************************************** Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this E-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FHVJP4010710; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:31:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FHVIBI010701; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:31:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Steppin' out In-Reply-To: <20020715172148.69443.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > so are you two back together, or what? it is so hard to > stay up to date with these things.... It appears so... and i didn't even hit my head this time :) > glad to hear the damage to mr. roach was relatively > minimal. how's the demerol treating you, roachie??? ;) Actually... I hate morphine, so i didn't use it after surgery at the hospital. Beyond that, advil pretty much is all I need. I save the perscriptions for later use :D I get the cast off my foot in two weeks, along with having the staples removed from my arm, woo hoo!! - Roach _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FI3HP4011128; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:03:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FI3FtW011120; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:03:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715180309.82175.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? To: Aki Damme , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020715132003.00b2a5f0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > > Ok, now I'm confused. Is the Wednesday lunch in > Herndon or someplace > else? And where? The Ride-to-Lunch at Chadwicks in Alexandria I originally posted about is still on (http://www.xhost.org/cccycles/chadwicks.pdf). There is now also a lunch meeting at the Tortilla Factory in Herndon, for those who are urbanly challenged. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FI6iP4011309; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:06:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FI6gSI011290; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:06:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020715140511.00bb7850@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:06:34 -0400 To: Larry Larson , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Aki Damme Subject: RE: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: <20020715180309.82175.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020715132003.00b2a5f0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cool! I'll make the Herndon trip if I can. 11:30 at the Tortilla factory. I'll try and arrive a couple min early. I'll be on the Wide Glide with "01Dyna" plates. Gee..wonder what year my bike is. ;-) cheers, -aki At 11:03 AM 7/15/2002 -0700, Larry Larson wrote: >--- Aki Damme wrote: > > > > Ok, now I'm confused. Is the Wednesday lunch in > > Herndon or someplace > > else? And where? > >The Ride-to-Lunch at Chadwicks in Alexandria I >originally posted about is still on >(http://www.xhost.org/cccycles/chadwicks.pdf). > >There is now also a lunch meeting at the Tortilla >Factory in Herndon, for those who are urbanly >challenged. 8;) > >-- Larry > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FIHhP4011755; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:17:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FIHf2J011746; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:17:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E8FB@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Steppin' out Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:17:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last Saturday The Speed Channel aired the documentary "On Any Sunday Revisited" and there was the scene where the racer soaked his cast off so he could race the following week ;) Great freakin' movie. http://www.montereymedia.com/home.html Under "DVD" Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Annandale, VA "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?" I get the cast off my foot in two weeks, along with having the staples removed from my arm, woo hoo!! - Roach _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FIavP4012090; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:36:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FIauke012085; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:36:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 Jul 2002 18:36:48 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Steppin' out X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020715113647.10749.h014.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Mon, 15 July 2002, Tom Gimer wrote > so are you two back together, or what? it is so hard to > stay up to date with these things.... > actually, yes, and this time it's permanent...could be another DC Cycles wedding in the future. ;) But I'll let Roach comment on that. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FIp7P4012329; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:51:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FIp6nR012320; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:51:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:50:54 -0700 From: To: Ram Srinivasan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Mechanic/Dealer in DC/NoVA area? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.103 On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:36:05 -0400 Ram Srinivasan wrote: Hi Folks I'm a newbie to the list and in the process of resurrecting my motorcycle, so pardon the FAQ. I live in Falls Church, do any of you have recommendations on a Mechanic or Dealer that does good work for a fair price? I need some front brake work done on my GS500. (Basically, I'm not get much stopping power, I actually bought the Clymer's manual, and am wondering how hard or easy is get this fixed) Many thanx -Ram (rksdc@XXXXXX) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FIqNP4012495; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:52:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FIqMk5012485; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:52:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:52:08 -0700 From: To: Ram Srinivasan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Good Mechanic/Dealer in DC/NoVA area? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.103 Ram, For stuff I can't do myself (which is a lot!), I use Crossroads Cycles in Falls Church (Bailey's Crossroads). Talk to Denny (the owner). (703) 820-3711. Chuck On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:36:05 -0400 Ram Srinivasan wrote: Hi Folks I'm a newbie to the list and in the process of resurrecting my motorcycle, so pardon the FAQ. I live in Falls Church, do any of you have recommendations on a Mechanic or Dealer that does good work for a fair price? I need some front brake work done on my GS500. (Basically, I'm not get much stopping power, I actually bought the Clymer's manual, and am wondering how hard or easy is get this fixed) Many thanx -Ram (rksdc@XXXXXX) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FJ1fP4012719; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:01:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FJ1eLb012710; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:01:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Steppin' out Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:01:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 19:01:33.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[091A4A20:01C22C32] Combining a couple responses: Paul, keep that up and George will have to give up his Hooligan moniker. ;) Glad you are ok. Roach, get well soon. Good to hear from you. Laura and Roach, congratulations. The next Bike Night is Sunday, July 28th at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, 6-10 PM. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Brian Roach To: Tom Gimer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Steppin' out Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > so are you two back together, or what? it is so hard to > stay up to date with these things.... It appears so... and i didn't even hit my head this time :) > glad to hear the damage to mr. roach was relatively > minimal. how's the demerol treating you, roachie??? ;) Actually... I hate morphine, so i didn't use it after surgery at the hospital. Beyond that, advil pretty much is all I need. I save the perscriptions for later use :D I get the cast off my foot in two weeks, along with having the staples removed from my arm, woo hoo!! - Roach _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FJ8BP4012904; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:08:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FJ89x2012895; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:08:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E8FF@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Steppin' out Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:08:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Aha! Now we know how Roach's arm got broken :O Cedric actually, yes, and this time it's permanent...could be another DC Cycles wedding in the future. ;) But I'll let Roach comment on that. LAG _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FKAZP4013403; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:10:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FKAWb9013384; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:10:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715201026.84051.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Steppin' out To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E8FB@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: > Last Saturday The Speed Channel aired the > documentary "On Any Sunday > Revisited" and there was the scene where the racer > soaked his cast off so he > could race the following week ;) Great freakin' > movie. A long time ago, I forced my little brother to help me cut off a neck-to-waist cast so I could get into my dress blues to be married the following weekend. On balance, I wish I'd been going racing instead...there's that damned hindsight again. 8;) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FKIfP4013615; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:18:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FKIdPb013606; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:18:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715201837.12737.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Steppin' out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020715113647.10749.h014.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > actually, yes, and this time it's permanent...could > be another DC Cycles wedding in the future. ;) "Permanent"? Wow, the optimism of youth! 8;) On a more realistic note, this marriage bug *must* be spreading via dc-cycles. After being engaged for only ten and a half years, Nancy and I are getting married next month out in Colorado Springs. -- Larry "It's the end of the world as we know it... I feel fine." --REM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FKm0P4013919; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:48:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FKlxig013915; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:47:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 15 Jul 2002 20:47:49 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: entrpoop@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Steppin' out X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.10-17 Sender: lgranato@XXXXXX Message-Id: <20020715134749.24716.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Mon, 15 July 2002, Larry Larson wrote > > On a more realistic note, this marriage bug *must* be > spreading via dc-cycles. After being engaged for only > ten and a half years, Nancy and I are getting married > next month out in Colorado Springs. > > -- Larry > Congratulations! Dang...if you don't want to be married, get off this list quick people! LOL. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FKnYP4014092; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:49:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FKnW73014082; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:49:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020715170636.0491f610@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:06:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:25 AM 7/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > >> >> Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? (no promises, but, thats reachable for me) > >Me as well. > >-dave I work in Bethesda, but don't have a set time for lunch :-) I regularly meet up with some car geek friends in the Reston Pkwy area (exit 4? off the toll road?). Where is the Tortilla place? I'd love to meet up with some listers! -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FKrZP4014273; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:53:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FKrYvU014263; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:53:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:53:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020715170636.0491f610@noid.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote: > At 11:25 AM 7/15/02 -0400, you wrote: > >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > > >> > >> Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? (no promises, but, thats reachable for me) > > > >Me as well. > > > >-dave > > I work in Bethesda, but don't have a set time for lunch :-) I regularly > meet up with some car geek friends in the Reston Pkwy area (exit 4? off the > toll road?). > > Where is the Tortilla place? I'd love to meet up with some listers! Tortilla Factory 648 Elden St. Herndon, VA 703-471-1156 -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations/DNS Engineering cerberus@XXXXXX "Karate Bagels presents: Easter colored bagels" Irony. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FLIJP4014639; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:18:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FLIIoB014631; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:18:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020715211808.78582.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: OT: F1 British Grand Prix Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii See http://www.xhost.org/bgp. Regards, Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FLJBP4014801; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:19:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FLJ911014791; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:19:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020715171427.02238698@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:19:02 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20020715170636.0491f610@noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:06 PM 7/15/2002 -0400, Wayne Edelen wrote: >At 11:25 AM 7/15/02 -0400, you wrote: > >On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Daniel H. Brown wrote: > > > >> > >> Mmm... 11:30? Beat the rush? (no promises, but, thats reachable for me) > > > >Me as well. > > > >-dave > >I work in Bethesda, but don't have a set time for lunch :-) I regularly >meet up with some car geek friends in the Reston Pkwy area (exit 4? off the >toll road?). > >Where is the Tortilla place? I'd love to meet up with some listers! > >-- Wayne It's the Tortilla Factory, take Reston Parkway north towards Home Depot. Turn LEFT at that intersection (Baron Camron), towards Herndon. Drive through Herndon, passing the K-Mart shopping center (on your right), and about 1/2 mile up the road on the right side (it's by about a couple blocks after you pass Mark Mosleys Burgers), you'll see another shopping center. On your left will be Anitas Restrauant, on the right a shopping center with a Rite Aid. Tortilla Factory is in that shopping center just behind the Mobil gas station. You'll see the bikes. cheers, -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FLPaP4015001; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:25:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FLPYG2014992; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:25:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020715174244.013c2f5c@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:42:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Wednesday Lunch - anything closer to Reston? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:19 PM 7/15/02 -0400, you wrote: >It's the Tortilla Factory, take Reston Parkway north towards Home Depot. > >Turn LEFT at that intersection (Baron Camron), towards Herndon. > >Drive through Herndon, passing the K-Mart shopping center (on your right), >and about 1/2 mile up the road on the right side (it's by about a couple blocks >after you pass Mark Mosleys Burgers), you'll see another shopping center. > >On your left will be Anitas Restrauant, on the right a shopping center with >a Rite Aid. >Tortilla Factory is in that shopping center just behind the Mobil gas >station. You'll see >the bikes. > >cheers, >-aki Thanks. I'll be there... geeky guy with the blue/black Eyeabuser. ;-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FLlNP4015310; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:47:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FLlMbe015301; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:47:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jsteele@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:47:16 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeff Steele Subject: MC Parking Near DMV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Could someone please remind me where the new MC parking spaces near the DMV are located? I'm making the dreaded trek tomorrow. Thanks much, Jeff '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FLpSP4015490; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:51:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FLpQSc015480; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:51:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c501c22c4a$147f8a20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Jeff Steele" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: MC Parking Near DMV Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:53:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 DC DMV? Can't miss, 'em. Right in front on C St. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Steele" > Could someone please remind me where the new MC parking spaces near > the DMV are located? I'm making the dreaded trek tomorrow. > > Thanks much, > > Jeff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6FLuGP4015664; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:56:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6FLuFwf015655; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:56:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jsteele@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00c501c22c4a$147f8a20$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <00c501c22c4a$147f8a20$bb82fea9@palladio1> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:56:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeff Steele Subject: Re: MC Parking Near DMV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Yes, DC DMV. Thanks much! >DC DMV? Can't miss, 'em. Right in front on C St. > >Paul in DC >95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jeff Steele" > > >> Could someone please remind me where the new MC parking spaces near >> the DMV are located? I'm making the dreaded trek tomorrow. >> >> Thanks much, >> >> Jeff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6G039P4017280; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:03:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6G0383e017272; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:03:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.227.241.8] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DMV skills test area nearest Tysons Corner? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:02:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 00:02:01.0774 (UTC) FILETIME=[02F0BCE0:01C22C5C] Hello, I was wondering if anybody could tell me what location DMV nearest Tysons Corner has a road skills test area? The Tysons Corner DMV doesn't seem to have one, unless they are hiding it somewhere non-public. Thanks, Aaron S. Ward _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6G35oP4018349; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:05:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6G35mp8018339; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:05:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Frank Wegerich" To: Subject: Saturday? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:04:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Anyone planning a ride on Saturday? I would be glad to join (-; Thanks Frank BMW r1100rt _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6G40sP4018862; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:00:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6G40r6E018854; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:00:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" , "Frank Wegerich" Subject: RE: Saturday? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:00:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 03:59:54.0692 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E433040:01C22C7D] Id like to ride Saturday. We can meet at the sheetz in haymarket at around 9:00am. Route 15 and route 55. A nice long trip to Wva perhaps? Ricardo Anyone planning a ride on Saturday? I would be glad to join (-; Thanks Frank BMW r1100rt _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6G7U6P4020179; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:30:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6G7Tt8Q020151; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 03:29:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020716072951.96941.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: CLASS@VIR and Re: Steppin' out To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <013001c22c15$7c619320$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think TG hit the nail on the head. The tires were cold and if they were roached (no, not that Roach...) they wouldn't warm up all the quickly either. Glad you saved it Paul. Roach, was your incident at Summit this weekend? I'm sorry to hear about the mishap. Get well soon. I went to Reg Pridmore's CLASS at VIR on Monday (yesturday) and had an absolute BLAST!!! It was my first time seeing those 17 gorgeous turns and I still big-time suck in T3, 15/16 and need more practice on 4, and 14. One trip up T7 almost finished my afternoon when I got in too tight going up the hill and the rear tire walked up that abomination of a rumble strip. (where on earth did they get those rumble strips anyway. Cripes! At least Summit Point's are fairly nice to you.) The rear went into the air and threw the bike way off line and I found myself surfing grass off to the left side of T8. Mercifully I remembered to stay off any and all brakes and for a moment or two still had the bloody gas on. I rejoined the course at T11 after my dirt-tracking exercise. Nobody was frantically waving yellow flags in anticipation of the outcome which was nice I guess. Just like in Keith Code's if you wanted feedback you had to collar somebody to give it to you. They had this "place a sticker on the helmet when giving feedback" mechanism but I didn't see any stickers on lids. The day started out very well, IMO. I went with the 'A' group from the get-go and was glad I did. It was intended for returning students and people familiar with the track. I figured, I should be able to handle the task. We started off with 6 laps led by an instructor each of us taking turns chasing his tail. My group was pretty quick and we ended up lapping our fellow A's by the end of the 1st session. One thing I learned is that I tend to square off corners too much and favor the outside. My planning is also somewhat haphazard and for whatever reason I couldn't get comfortable with the line into 3 and setting up for 4. Watching the instructors pretty much start from the middle of the lane helped me see things a little differently too. 2nd session was not quite full-on pace but a lot faster than the previous 'sighting' laps. Our group of 6 somehow became 3 in a matter of a couple laps. Either the pace was too fast or what, the others just disappeared (no crashes). It was funny though, when I was following the instructor (I was 3rd up) I must have pushed him so that by the time my pull was done the other 2 (a RC51 and I think a 750 GSXR) were nowhere to be found. Took them forever (most of the front straight and me just toodling along) for them to rejoin the train. Big bikes going nowhere fast and dropping anchor in corners only to blast off like a bat out of hell on the straights was a theme that recurred throughout the day. I'd be catching them on the brakes, running right up their ass only to choke on exhuast fumes. There was no inside passing allowed which didn't help get the drive I really could have used to make it stick. And the lines tended to be wide and in many cases none too stable. The last thing I wanted to do was spook the guy and have him crash or take me out with him. The GS at full tilt can make a big racket despite it's dimunitive size. Still I learned that getting past on T1 either on the brakes or going the long way around and out T2, or T5 or T10 seemed to work. It was sure satisfying to come charging down the hill from T16, banging gears as fast as my bike would allow and pass guys and stay ahead of them on the straight who had easily twice or 3 times the power on tap. I think the 'wimpiest' bike out there in A group aside from mine was the Aprilia 250. My smile, however, lasted only as long as it took for the 'prilia to come screaming by like I was standing still followed by one of the Duc's and a BMW R1100S. Oh, and the insturctors made us all look like chicken shit. Though apparently one of the instructors tossed his bike down the road before lunch. How/why I don't know. I met a couple of local DC people down there (including Mr. Duc 998 - see anchor reference above) and hopefully we can get together in the future. Natch I plugged our little email list. I don't understand though why so many people have such monster bikes. It was clear most of them were but scratching the surface and gingerly at that. It was a fine day to say the least. And it would have ended perfectly had I not run out of gas on my last lap and had to limp home at 1/2 speed trying to find a left-hander to slosh fuel back into the carbs (most of the turns are right's) and had there also not been a last lap, nearly last turn get-off which was thankfully mild. A lot of people came out for Monday and Tuesday even though the material is exactly the same both days and there is no progression ala Cali Superbike School's Stage 1-4. Mighty expensive track time IMO. The 5 odd hr trip each way is rather long though. I hope they open up Rousch Creek sometime this decade. Slippery Point or not, I love having a track located so close. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6GC2BP4022100; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:02:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6GC2A2h022092; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:02:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'matthew patton'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Gravel Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:02:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Tooling down gravel roads are one thing -- depending upon the size of the gravel -- bigger is not better, however, in western Virginia and WVa, highway crews seem to "patch" irregularities in the road with gravel patches, with a healthy shovel full or two on top of the patch which later becomes distributed into the downhill turn or at the intersection repaired. This becomes a riding hazard when approached at speed, especially in the apex of a turn.... it can screw your traction. I find sand worse and have actually "crashed" doing 5mph in a hairpin (Snickers Ville tnpk at Bluemont and 7), hit sand (winter leftovers) lost my front wheel grip and ended up wedged between the extreme downhill and the guard rail. No damage but it was an eye-opener.... traction is traction... lose it a turn or in a downhill turn and you're falling. my 2cents _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6GC5sP4022380; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:05:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6GC5qN4022370; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:05:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.54 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Saturday? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c22cc1$173d5180$067ba8c0@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I'm interested as well, but I won't know until later this week if my Saturday will be clear. WV sounds great, but it'll be one long day. Sheetz is convenient for me. I'm not too good with planning routes since I'm not very familiar with the fun roads to ride around here. Wes Hsu '01 R1100SA '96 CBR900RR > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:01 AM > To: dccycles; Frank Wegerich > Subject: RE: Saturday? > > Id like to ride Saturday. We can meet at the sheetz in > haymarket at around 9:00am. Route 15 and route 55. > > A nice long trip to Wva perhaps? > > Ricardo > > > Anyone planning a ride on Saturday? I would be glad to join (-; > > Thanks > Frank > > BMW r1100rt _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6GGrhP4024564; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:53:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6GGrZM4024552; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:53:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001101c22ce9$bdcfa7a0$755a1840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Ride to Work Day... Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:45:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, I'd be down for a Rockville/Bethesda or even Silver Spring lunch date. Even though I'm not working. Does "Ride to Lunch" sound OK for me? Oh yeah, send me the info (if anything happens) directly, as I'm in digest mode and will miss it otherwise. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project I'm moving in exactly 30 days and need boxes (cheap). Send me a lead... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6GHmSP4025060; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:48:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6GHmRsB025052; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:48:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200207161748.g6GHmEn17141@localhost.localdomain> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:48:14 -0700 From: wegerich@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" Cc: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Saturday? X-Sender: wegerich@XXXXXX X-Originating-Ip: [63.83.50.10] X-Mailer: Speakeasy Network Webmail 2.1.0 Great I will meet your there. Any distance is fine with me as long as the roads are twisty. The only condition is that I am back in the Reston area arond 6pm.(-; On 16 Jul 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > Id like to ride Saturday. We can meet at the > sheetz in haymarket at around > 9:00am. Route 15 and route 55. > > A nice long trip to Wva perhaps? > > Ricardo > > > Anyone planning a ride on Saturday? I would be > glad to join (-; > > Thanks Frank > > BMW r1100rt _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6GIdGP4025600; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:39:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6GIdEKk025592; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:39:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020716143719.02352990@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:39:05 -0400 To: DCC From: Troutman Subject: New server Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I purchased a new server, and I have moved my personal site as well as the dccycles.com site to the new system. It will take 3-4 days for DNS to catch up, but once it is pointing to the new IP, you should see a noticeable speed improvement. HTDIG has not released a patch yet, so the archive is still unavailable until further notice. Thanks. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6GMYkP4026935; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:34:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6GMYhDj026927; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:34:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [204.193.250.90] From: "Doug Allis" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DMV skills test area nearest Tysons Corner? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:33:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 22:33:32.0696 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0E57980:01C22D18] Its probably the parking lot, maybe with the street. Last time I took the motorcycle "skills test" it amounted to running around the Franconia DMV parking lot. NOT a difficult test. Basically they made sure you could start, stop, turn at slow speeds without falling down. >From: "Aaron Ward" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: DMV skills test area nearest Tysons Corner? >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:02:01 -0400 > > > >Hello, > >I was wondering if anybody could tell me what location DMV nearest Tysons >Corner has a road skills test area? The Tysons Corner DMV doesn't seem to >have one, unless they are hiding it somewhere non-public. > >Thanks, >Aaron S. Ward > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > Doug Allis DHAllis@XXXXXX w: 202-482-5985 h: 703-912-9576 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6H3imP4029324; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:44:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6H3ikHp029314; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 23:44:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009801c22d31$f5b32140$49785b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Wyoming trip Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:33:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 By golly that sounds like a trip! And narrated to the "seat squirming" level (like Warren Miller ski movies make me work up a sweat in November). Thanks for the virtual ride candy. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Yeee Haaaw. I wanna go mountain climbing (anything over 500 ft a.s.l.) Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HDmhP4032649; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:48:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HDmaKo032634; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:48:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717134830.69154.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 06:48:30 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I tried to get coverage on my new mount but these guys think it's a bloody sportbike? Anyone here have their ZR with Geico? How much? I wrote them a nice (and long) letter of protest. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HE4iP4000464; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:04:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HE4hY8000459; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:04:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DDF106C5@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:04:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) My brother has had his ZR-7s for a year or so. You don't think it's a sport bike?? Brian -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:49 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? I tried to get coverage on my new mount but these guys think it's a bloody sportbike? Anyone here have their ZR with Geico? How much? I wrote them a nice (and long) letter of protest. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HE6JP4000628; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:06:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HE6Ils000618; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:06:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717140610.59730.qmail@web40203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Kriss sale To: "COGM- List" , LDRiders , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apparently Kriss is going out of business (retiring). They have their products on sale for 50% off when ordering through their web pages. http://www.kriss.com I never used any of their products, but have heard good reviews from others. (For those lists I'm on digest versions, sorry if this has already been posted) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HEwHP4001515; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:58:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HEwE6m001495; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:58:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717145804.90551.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: DC to Warm Springs To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone ridden from DC to Warm Springs VA? Is it a reasonable weekend trip (Saturday there and Sunday back)? Thanks ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HF32P4001983; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:03:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HF31dv001977; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:03:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717150255.93785.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: DC to Warm Springs To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020717145804.90551.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii just did it last weekend (en route to charleston). took 33 out to frankling to 220 south. warm springs was 30 miles south of monterrey. it is easily doable. in fact, it is not that far away....not even a half day. if you go, be sure to take 39 out through the hills.... 39 f*cking rocks! --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Has anyone ridden from DC to Warm Springs VA? Is it a > reasonable weekend trip (Saturday there and Sunday > back)? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HFlDP4002897; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:47:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HFlDkF002892; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:47:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:46:11 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: DC to Warm Springs To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3D359143.3E4926E8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020717145804.90551.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Mark Kitchell wrote: > > Has anyone ridden from DC to Warm Springs VA? Is it a > reasonable weekend trip (Saturday there and Sunday > back)? Thanks You'll be in the general neighborhood of the Cass Scenic Railroad in Cass, WV. That's an interesting place to visit. Sounds like a fun trip. -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HFsiP4003195; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:54:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HFsh92003189; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:54:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:53:15 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: FW: My Stuff To: DC Cycles Message-id: <3D3592EB.ABA8AFE8@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Howard is a pal of mine, sells Fenda Extendas for a bunch of bikes (see below) and a few other goodies. He's up in the Philly area, probably within easy day-trip range if you'd like to see the goods before you buy. Horkster -- From: Howard Roth Coggers: This is blatant advertising since I notice alot of new "faces". I currently have Fenda Extendas for all year Connies as well as Light Guards and Mini Blasters. The extendas are 29.95, light guards are 26.50 and mini blasters are 29.95. Shipping is $4 each plus $1 for each additional item in the same box. In addition, I have 3 Chatterbox X1 kits in stock. 1 open face and 2 full face all with Noise Reducing headsets. I can order any additional headsets, extension cords, audio cords, power cords, etc if you need them. The price is $250 plus $7.50 shipping. Retail is $329 with NR headset. Accessories would be 15% off list prices. As long as I am cleaning out the stock room, I also have Fenda Extendas for the following bikes should you know anyone in need: FZ1 - Carbon Look Honda 919 Honda VTR1000 SuperHawk FZ1 - Black CBR1100XX Blackbird ZRX1100/1200 SV650 - Black SV650 - Carbon look R1100RT R1100S R1150GS ST1100 ST1100ABS GSF1200 Bandit / RF900 VFR750 90 on / CBR1000F 93 on R1100RS FJR1300 - I am just waiting to be sure they are not changing the front fender, but my understanding is that they are not. I also have: FZ1 smoke light guards VTR1000 SuperHawk 4" flip red windscreen SV650 Blue Solo Seat cowl with minor paint imperfection Bandit 1200 dark metallic red with small chip on edge Honda PC800 Light guard CBR600 99 on carbon look hugger CBR600 99 on yellow undertray FZ1 Ventura bike pack stuff 94-97 CBR900RR ventura bike pack stuff Thanks for the bandwidth and I didn't realize I had this much stuff in the basement. Now I know why the wife is getting antsy. Please let anyone know who may be interested. Friends, lists, etc. Thanks ===== Howard Roth Harleysville, PA http://dandyindustries.biz COG # 3605 AMA # 469638 IBA # 8524 99 Concours 91 Sportster 77 CB400F "Shpatzir" "The Creamsicle" "Well, it runs" _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HFwaP4003375; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:58:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HFwaV0003367; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:58:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <01dc01c22dab$521105a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "DC Cycles" References: <20020717145804.90551.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: DC to Warm Springs Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:02:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Mark, Pierre and I rode through Warm Springs. Warm Springs is a wonderful place to visit and Hot Springs is just down the road. My wife and I honeymooned there. The ride from Lexington to Warm Springs on VA39 through the Goshen Pass is probably worth the price of admission. Try VA252 (I think) that comes down from Staunton as an alternate to 81. Easily doable weekend trip with lots of time for lookie-looing. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "DC Cycles" Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:58 AM Subject: DC to Warm Springs > Has anyone ridden from DC to Warm Springs VA? Is it a > reasonable weekend trip (Saturday there and Sunday > back)? Thanks > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HGKjP4003881; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:20:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HGKi6i003875; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:20:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Sandler, Mike" To: "'matthew patton'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:08:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" they're confusing it with a zx7r. Get the manufacturer model name not the marketing name. Hope that helps, I don't have a zr7 so I'm guessing. Mike -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:49 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? I tried to get coverage on my new mount but these guys think it's a bloody sportbike? Anyone here have their ZR with Geico? How much? I wrote them a nice (and long) letter of protest. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com *********************************************** Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this E-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this E-mail in error, please call the Mgr. of Information Technology at 301.222.0330 and destroy the original message and all copies. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HGYdP4004220; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:34:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HGYdwS004213; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:34:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Who Rode to Work? To: dccycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else rode? http://www.ridetowork.org/ I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an average day, much less "ride to work" day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HGcQP4004525; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:38:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HGcQI7004521; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:38:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dccycles Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:35:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I rode to work and saw a few lone bikers and a group of 12-14 sports bikes/cruisers riding together. This was en route from Alexandria (well, Huntington really) to Georgetown. I was just outside and didn't see anymore motorcycles than usual parked near Wisconsin/K Street. Hopefully everyone was out at lunch. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:35 PM To: dccycles Subject: Who Rode to Work? Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else rode? http://www.ridetowork.org/ I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an average day, much less "ride to work" day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HGoGP4004849; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:50:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HGoFBd004841; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:50:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717124838.0225a600@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:50:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Tortilla Turnout Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Nice show of faces at the Tortilla Factory in Herndon. I expected 5 and we had 12 or so. Saw relatively few bikes on the commute this morning. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HGutP4005128; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:56:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HGutdw005124; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:56:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:55:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 16:55:46.0075 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB7646B0:01C22DB2] I rode. And I actually made it to an "event" - meeting about a dozen other DC Cycle denizens at the Tortilla Factory in Herndon. Perry '92 Kawasaki Concours >From: Chris Weaver >To: dccycles >Subject: Who Rode to Work? >Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) > >Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else >rode? > >http://www.ridetowork.org/ > >I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did >ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn >to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an >average day, much less "ride to work" day. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HGvhP4005291; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:57:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HGvh55005287; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:57:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009101c22db3$191afc30$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "dccycles" References: Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:57:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I rode today; the motorcycle parking in my building (4 spaces) is actually full. First time I've seen it full, ever. > > Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else > rode? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HGxJP4005675; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:59:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HGxIO0005666; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:59:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717165912.42502.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the same 4 bikes (one being mine) are parked in my lot today; jib --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who > else > rode? > > http://www.ridetowork.org/ > > I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did > ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from > Ashburn > to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an > average day, much less "ride to work" day. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HH4ZP4005974; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:04:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HH4Zxh005969; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:04:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: dccycles Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:09:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain I rode in. But I ride in every day anyway. Didn't see many cycles on the GW parkway though. -Brad W -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:35 PM To: dccycles Subject: Who Rode to Work? Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else rode? http://www.ridetowork.org/ I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an average day, much less "ride to work" day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HH52P4006016; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:05:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HH52l9006012; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:05:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717170454.89524.qmail@web40203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else > rode? I rode. I ride to work between 6 and 6:30 am, so rarely see other bikes on my way in anyway. I checked the parking lot during lunch time. About the average number of bikes today. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HH56P4006124; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:05:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HH55IU006109; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:05:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E915@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:04:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I saw a lot more bikes on I-66 than usual. I normally see 1 or 2 other bikes but saw 6 today including a bright red K-1 (haven't seen one of those in years). Joe Rocket must be happy because virtually everyone I saw (including myself) had one on. Cedric Bernescut CBR600F4 "Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again." I rode to work and saw a few lone bikers and a group of 12-14 sports bikes/cruisers riding together. This was en route from Alexandria (well, Huntington really) to Georgetown. I was just outside and didn't see anymore motorcycles than usual parked near Wisconsin/K Street. Hopefully everyone was out at lunch. - _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HHIbP4006831; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:18:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HHIaH9006826; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:18:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717171829.4205.qmail@web40209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E915@NCEAEXCHANGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Joe Rocket must be happy because virtually everyone I saw > (including myself) had one on. > Cedric Bernescut > CBR600F4 I bought a Joe Rocket jacket last year at Fast Lane when they were having a sale. Put it in my closet and basically forgot all about it. When I heard the forcast for today though, I went and got it. Besides being "Ride to Work" day, my wife needed the car, so there wasn't even a choice for me. Was very cool coming into work today about sunrise. The real test for me will be going home after things have been baking for a while. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HHg8P4007194; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:42:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HHg8Xo007190; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:42:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717134031.02809ec0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:41:00 -0700 To: Chris Weaver , dccycles From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? In-Reply-To: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I rode to work But, I ride to work every day so that wasn't a big deal. Didn't see any more motorcycles than usual At 09:34 AM 7/17/02 -0700, Chris Weaver wrote: >Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else >rode? > >http://www.ridetowork.org/ > >I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did >ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn >to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an >average day, much less "ride to work" day. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HHksP4007481; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:46:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HHkr19007474; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:46:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 17 Jul 2002 17:46:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20020717174648.11571.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Who Rode to Work? X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Brad Bragged - >I rode in. But I ride in every day anyway. Didn't see many cycles on the >GW parkway though. >-Brad W [Dave] Rode in, Made it to Chadwick's in Old Town for lunch... Apologies I didn't go the parkway to keep you company, Brad... I'll bet it was still a good ride though ! I am the ONLY biker in my office, apparently... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HHseP4007806; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:54:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HHsdnE007801; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:54:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:59:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Hey anytime. I must brag some more and mention that I am lucky to be able to drive north up the GW parkway to work in Old Town, so it is a rather scenic commute, and easy to motivate oneself to do. Nevertheless, I just wish cycles could take over the roads at least one day a year. -Brad W -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:47 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Who Rode to Work? Brad Bragged - >I rode in. But I ride in every day anyway. Didn't see many cycles on the >GW parkway though. >-Brad W [Dave] Rode in, Made it to Chadwick's in Old Town for lunch... Apologies I didn't go the parkway to keep you company, Brad... I'll bet it was still a good ride though ! I am the ONLY biker in my office, apparently... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HHxbP4008088; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:59:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HHxaid008080; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:59:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: RE: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:55:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I ride in daily as well, but I like to split my commute b/w 110 and the Parkway when possible. I've never owned a cage, so it's either bike to work or take the metro/bus. Minus repairs including those caused by negligent BMW drivers, it's cheaper (and less stressful) for me to ride to work than to ride the metro. There are 3 bikers in my office, though only 2 of us made the ride in today. -----Original Message----- From: sdave@XXXXXX [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:47 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: Who Rode to Work? Brad Bragged - >I rode in. But I ride in every day anyway. Didn't see many cycles on the >GW parkway though. >-Brad W [Dave] Rode in, Made it to Chadwick's in Old Town for lunch... Apologies I didn't go the parkway to keep you company, Brad... I'll bet it was still a good ride though ! I am the ONLY biker in my office, apparently... Dave _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HILlP4008495; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:21:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HILiXu008476; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:21:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717182141.57127.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717134031.02809ec0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii on the brighter side, i was riding at lunch, and saw the moto spots on M st. NW just east of Conn Ave. were filled (about 30 bikes); i don't think i've ever seen them more than half filled; good to see all those bikes; jib --- Lori Wilson wrote: > I rode to work > But, I ride to work every day so that wasn't a big > deal. Didn't see any > more motorcycles than usual > > At 09:34 AM 7/17/02 -0700, Chris Weaver wrote: > >Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who > else > >rode? > > > >http://www.ridetowork.org/ > > > >I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did > >ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from > Ashburn > >to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an > >average day, much less "ride to work" day. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > >http://autos.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HINJP4008754; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:23:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HINIlA008747; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:23:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <68.23147341.2a67100c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:23:08 EDT Subject: Edge traps To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 There is some pavement grinding and some nasty new tar edge traps on the approach to the Wilson bridge, inner loop right where things get nasty under normal circumstances. Heads up. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HIUDP4009192; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:30:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HIUDUi009187; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:30:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020717142748.00bcc260@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:30:06 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ditto here.. it was good matching faces with names. Just wish it was a little cooler. I made some errands and after while, I threw caution to the wind and folded up my jacket. Yes...I made it home safe. As I mentioned to Perry, I ordered a Draggin Jeans perforated leather jacket (the obligatory black of course). Should arrive in the next couple of days (how long does UPS ground from N.C. take anyway)? Once I get it, I'll post an evaluation of it. Haven't heard much about them so I'm anxious to try it out. cheers, -aki At 12:55 PM 7/17/2002 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: >I rode. And I actually made it to an "event" - meeting about a dozen other >DC Cycle denizens at the Tortilla Factory in Herndon. > >Perry > >'92 Kawasaki Concours > >>From: Chris Weaver >>To: dccycles >>Subject: Who Rode to Work? >>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) >> >>Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else >>rode? >> >>http://www.ridetowork.org/ >> >>I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did >>ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn >>to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an >>average day, much less "ride to work" day. >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >>http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HIYaP4009473; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:34:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HIYa1J009463; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:34:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:34:15 EDT Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/17/2002 12:34:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chris_vtr@XXXXXX writes: > Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else > rode? Not working today, so I _had_ to settle for a "ride to lunch" day. But it was very nice if I do say so. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HIeFP4009763; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:40:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HIeFoq009758; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:40:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717184008.69675.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:40:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who > else rode? We had an above-average number of bikes around Crystal City today, and fourteen of us rode to lunch in Alexandria. Good time, but, man, it was hot! -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HJ7SP4010306; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:07:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HJ7RN7010296; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:07:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ducati 999 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:06:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 19:06:20.0664 (UTC) FILETIME=[093DAF80:01C22DC5] Well itM-^Rs officially here, a brand new Ducati. I am not sure if I like the looks of this thing, different at least. The aftermarket parts makers are drooling I am sure. This and a brand new MotoGP bike all in the same year, those people at the Ducati factory sure have been busy. Check it out. http://redvolution.ducati.com/eng/ Sanath _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HJi9P4010755; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:44:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HJi8Bt010748; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:44:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [158.114.92.201] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:42:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 19:42:58.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[274237D0:01C22DCA]


I rode. 50E to 66E to 110 to 395 to 295S to Bolling. A bit trafficy on 66, but fun nonetheless.

Randy Moran

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_ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HJqJP4010945; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HJqJwM010938; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:52:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717195217.44121.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ducati 999 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wow. no more single-sided swingarm. much different look up front... i don't like it..... YET --- Sanath S wrote: > Well itM-^Rs officially here, a brand new Ducati. I am not > sure if I like the > looks of this thing, different at least. The aftermarket > parts makers are > drooling I am sure. This and a brand new MotoGP bike all > in the same year, > those people at the Ducati factory sure have been busy. > > Check it out. > > http://redvolution.ducati.com/eng/ > > Sanath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HK41P4011399; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:04:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HK40fp011391; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:04:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: Subject: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:03:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E915@NCEAEXCHANGE> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I would have riden to work but I lost my job yesterday. So this afternoon I took out my bike and rode around Greenbelt/Annapolis area. Such a nice ride up Rt. 450 into Crownesville. Scott R. Russell 1984 CB700SC Nighthawk (which could be for sale if the price is right) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HK4GP4011434; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:04:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HK4GA9011427; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:04:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [158.114.92.201] From: "Randy Moran" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ducati 999 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:04:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 20:04:08.0604 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C4B55C0:01C22DCD]

I'm not too sure about it either. It's got some googaws hanging off it that maybe don't need to be there. Then again, the 916/996/998 family of bikes has got to be the hardest visual act to follow in the history of motorcycling.

Randy Moran

 

>From: Tom Gimer

>wow. no more single-sided swingarm. much different look
>up front...
>
>i don't like it..... YET
>
>
>
>
>--- Sanath S wrote:
> > Well itM-^Rs officially here, a brand new Ducati. I am not
> > sure if I like the
> > looks of this thing, different at least. The aftermarket
> > parts makers are
> > drooling I am sure. This and a brand new MotoGP bike all
> > in the same year,
> > those people at the Ducati factory sure have been busy.
> >
> > Check it out.
> >
> > http://redvolution.ducati.com/eng/
> >
> > Sanath
>
>
>__________________________________________________
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_ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HK6YP4011954; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:06:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HK6Xeq011948; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:06:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020717160542.028a1958@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:06:26 -0400 To: , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? In-Reply-To: References: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E915@NCEAEXCHANGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed sorry to hear that Scott...seems the "layoff" bug has been the only thing working overtime. I've been out of work for about a year now. Thank god I had socked $$ away.. -aki At 04:03 PM 7/17/2002 -0400, Scott R. Russell wrote: >I would have riden to work but I lost my job yesterday. So this afternoon I >took out my bike and rode around Greenbelt/Annapolis area. Such a nice ride >up Rt. 450 into Crownesville. > >Scott R. Russell >1984 CB700SC Nighthawk (which could be for sale if the price is right) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HKDBP4012260; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:13:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HKDAk7012255; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:13:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717201257.98808.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: Aki Damme , MacDa@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020717160542.028a1958@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aki Damme wrote: > > sorry to hear that Scott...seems the "layoff" bug has > been the only > thing working overtime. > > I've been out of work for about a year now. Thank god I > had socked $$ > away.. man what i would do for a year off from work.... lucky bastards -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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Trey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HLnUP4013467; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:49:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HLnSgB013458; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:49:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020717180642.0461d084@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:06:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:48 AM 7/17/02 -0700, matthew patton wrote: >I tried to get coverage on my new mount but these guys think it's a >bloody sportbike? Anyone here have their ZR with Geico? How much? I >wrote them a nice (and long) letter of protest. After getting skaaaarooood by Allstate on my Busa insurance, my agent found me a local insurance broker. He got me a great price/coverage for my Busa and I kept all my other insurance with Allstate (hey, it's good other than the MC stuff). Dude's name is John Aellen here in MD. His e-mail addy is aelleninsurance@XXXXXX If you want, I can dig up his phone # and post it. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HLqDP4013794; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:52:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HLqDNs013789; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:52:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020717180930.0461f450@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:09:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:55 PM 7/17/02 -0400, Perry Coleman wrote: >I rode. And I actually made it to an "event" - meeting about a dozen other >DC Cycle denizens at the Tortilla Factory in Herndon. > >Perry > >'92 Kawasaki Concours I rode, met up with Perry and about 10 others at the Tortilla Factory, too. As others noted, seemed like less bikes on the road today than other days. It was good meeting some listers, although I don't remember any of your names :-) Hopefully I can hook up and ride with some of you in the future! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HMEUP4014321; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:14:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HMEUpX014316; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:14:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020717221427.24898.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:14:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020717134830.69154.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I say fu*k Geico and find someone decent to insure your bike. Geico is nothing but trouble... always has been and probably always will be. Glenn --- matthew patton wrote: > I tried to get coverage on my new mount but these > guys think it's a > bloody sportbike? Anyone here have their ZR with > Geico? How much? I > wrote them a nice (and long) letter of protest. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HMSAP4014655; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:28:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HMSAHi014649; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:28:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D35F135.DC942841@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:35:33 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club U.S.A. www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dccycles Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? References: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else > rode? > > http://www.ridetowork.org/ Chris, I rode in to work today, but it was no big deal for me. I ride in every day. All of my vehicles only have 2 wheels. A 96 Suzuki Katana 600 and a 01 Suzuki Marauder 800. I've been thinking of getting a Suzuki DR400S for the nasty conditions of the streets in Baltimore City. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6HMdbP4014973; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:39:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6HMdbBk014968; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:39:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020717185652.0423b7e4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:56:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: No cages! (was Re: Who Rode to Work?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:35 PM 7/17/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >Chris Weaver wrote: > >> Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else >> rode? >> >> http://www.ridetowork.org/ > >Chris, > I rode in to work today, but it was no big deal for me. I ride in >every day. All of my vehicles only have 2 wheels. A 96 Suzuki Katana 600 and a >01 Suzuki Marauder 800. I've been thinking of getting a Suzuki DR400S for the >nasty conditions of the streets in Baltimore City. > >Steven C. Di Pietro I tip my hat to you guys that only have 2 wheelers. I know I couldn't do it. I'm generally a fair weather (read: no precip) rider. I also go to the gym 5-6 days/week and have to carry my laptop and other work stuff with me to work. Add in a stop at the dry cleaners and grocery store on the way home and I'd need a sidecar to carry all my shit. Not to mention, I like cars as much as motorcycles :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6I0PqP4016403; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:25:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6I0PquX016395; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:25:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020718002546.97254.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:25:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: dccycles In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020717134031.02809ec0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That goes for me too. Steve --- Lori Wilson wrote: > I rode to work > But, I ride to work every day so that wasn't a big > deal. Didn't see any > more motorcycles than usual > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6I1w0P4017069; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:58:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6I1vwJU017050; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:57:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3621F1.CE6FDBDD@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:03:30 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Weaver CC: dccycles Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? References: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rode to and from work, and rode at work! Yeah, yeah, us rider coachs play with beat to hell 250 Nighthawks all day, but any day on any motorcycle is a great day! Bill Chris Weaver wrote: > Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else > rode? > > http://www.ridetowork.org/ > > I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did > ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn > to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an > average day, much less "ride to work" day. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6I2D1P4017403; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:13:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6I2D0UU017392; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:13:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020718021258.31609.qmail@web21102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Rogers Subject: Hole in gas tank To: DC-Cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was wondering if someone could help. I own a 1991 Katana. Last night I noticed that there was a gas leak. I thought it was one of the lines coming loose. On further inspection I found I have a pin hole leak in the bottom of the Gas tank. Anyone know how to fix this? Please e-mail off list because I am on digest mode. Thanks in advance for the help. Ryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6I2OkP4017713; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:24:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6I2OkxV017707; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:24:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020717224203.045bf7e8@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:42:05 -0400 To: Ryan Rogers , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: Hole in gas tank Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:12 PM 7/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >I was wondering if someone could help. I own a 1991 >Katana. Last night I noticed that there was a gas >leak. I thought it was one of the lines coming loose. > On further inspection I found I have a pin hole leak >in the bottom of the Gas tank. Anyone know how to fix >this? Please e-mail off list because I am on digest >mode. Thanks in advance for the help. >Ryan Clean the area and JB Weld it. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6I3e0P4018355; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:40:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6I3dvLr018336; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:39:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'Chris Weaver'" , "'dccycles'" Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c22e0c$ca4eead0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <20020717163435.29745.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I would have ridden to work, except my company doesn't allow me to use my motorcycle for company business. We got a memo a few months back that said some guy in another sector of our company ditched while doing some work related errand. The suits decided that a similar accident in a car would have been a fender bender, while this guy ended up in ICU with the company paying the bills. So they drafted a policy and *poof* no more HOV runs for Pentagon assignments. Is this legal? I suppose it's like them giving us a dress code or something. But I wonder if they tell us we can't use bikes, are they obliged to offer company vehicles? Now that would be cool... Labor experts, pundits, Libertarians, what say you? Robby C. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Weaver [mailto:chris_vtr@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:35 To: dccycles Subject: Who Rode to Work? Today is the 11th annual Ride to Work Day. So who else rode? http://www.ridetowork.org/ I'm not able to go to one of the lunches, but I did ride. I only saw one other bike on my way from Ashburn to Alexandria - an uncommonly low figure even on an average day, much less "ride to work" day. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6I3gaP4018497; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:42:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6I3gaQr018492; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:42:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:42:28 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? Message-ID: <6C2C0798.5B7935A2.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I rode into work and didn't know it was national ride to work day. I'm just happy to hop on the bike... i've been away on vacation for 2 weeks. Thats a long time being off the saddle. -Mark _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IALGP4021101; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:21:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IALFbI021092; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:21:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020718102113.2865.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? To: RobCurtis@XXXXXX, "'dccycles'" In-Reply-To: <000201c22e0c$ca4eead0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Rob Curtis wrote: > I would have ridden to work, except my company doesn't > allow me to use > my motorcycle for company business. We got a memo a few > months back that > said some guy in another sector of our company ditched > while doing some > work related errand. The suits decided that a similar > accident in a car > would have been a fender bender, while this guy ended up > in ICU with the > company paying the bills. So they drafted a policy and > *poof* no more > HOV runs for Pentagon assignments. > > Is this legal? you have to be more specific as to the "policy" being enforced. can they tell you how to get to and from work? no. if this is a "policy" related only to work-related travel, it shouldn't have affected your ability to ride to work yesterday. additionally, your co-worker's injuries should have been covered by workers' comp. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ICtFP4022447; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:55:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ICt9gH022430; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:55:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FR headsets Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:00:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6ICt8P4022418 I got a bunch of Family band radios and I'd like to use them with my friends while riding.. anyone know of a good place to get headsets that will mount in the helmet yet block all the wind noise? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ICuJP4022713; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:56:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ICuIYk022704; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:56:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:02:10 -0400 Message-ID: <72fdju0eudpd7ipt0joih5ds7jbntk25un@4ax.com> References: <20020717134830.69154.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> <20020717221427.24898.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020717221427.24898.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6ICuHP4022684 I second that On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:14:27 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>I say fu*k Geico and find someone decent to insure |>your bike. Geico is nothing but trouble... always |>has been and probably always will be. |> |>Glenn |> |>--- matthew patton wrote: |>> I tried to get coverage on my new mount but these |>> guys think it's a |>> bloody sportbike? Anyone here have their ZR with |>> Geico? How much? I |>> wrote them a nice (and long) letter of protest. |>> |>> __________________________________________________ |>> Do You Yahoo!? |>> Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes |>> http://autos.yahoo.com |>> |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes |>http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ID5gP4023021; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:05:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ID5gq1023017; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:05:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020718130536.51750.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? To: STmaven@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <6C2C0798.5B7935A2.001912B6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > I rode into work and didn't know it was national > ride to work day. I rode to work yesterday. > I'm just happy to hop on the > bike... i've been away on vacation for 2 weeks. Will be off the list for two weeks starting today, going on vacation. Riding to Goose Bay, Labrador through Port Huron to Denver to San Diego to Jacksonville, Fl and back home. > Thats a long time being off the saddle. Perhaps I can introduce you to my travel agent. Leon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ID5vP4023063; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:05:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ID5uJE023058; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:05:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Scott, Wellesley E." To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: No cages! (was Re: Who Rode to Work?) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's not that I don't like cars, but I tend to spend all my extra money on bikes, travelling and those pesky school loans that will be haunting me for eternity. At the very least you'd think I'd try and get a truck so I could rescue my own bikes when they decide to seize on the Beltway or blow a cush drive outside Baltimore. Naaaa, that makes too much sense. Wellesley '73 RD350 among others -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Edelen [mailto:wayne@XXXXXX] Not to mention, I like cars as much as motorcycles :-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ID6FP4023228; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:06:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ID6FEU023222; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:06:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FR headsets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:00:59 -0400 > From: Danny MotorPsychoL > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: FR headsets > > I got a bunch of Family band radios and I'd like to use them with my > friends while riding.. anyone know of a good place to get headsets > that will mount in the helmet yet block all the wind noise? Autocom is the best -- http://www.autocom.co.uk/ They're also, likely, the most expensive. They have a US dealer or two. I have one, and have a GMRS radio (you need a license -- $75, no test, see FCC.gov) and it works very well. Has a noise canceling mike. You can get ones that can be wired into Cellphones, CD players, Radar (if you're not in VA) etc. -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IDFnP4023770; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:15:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IDFn6E023765; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:15:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005001c22e5d$d7473700$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <000201c22e0c$ca4eead0$6401a8c0@cypher> Subject: Re: Who Rode to Work? Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:20:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 If an employee were severely injured in a car would they make you all take the bus on company business?? Eliminate all cage travel and require you to use a courier service?? Doubt it. You could argue that the bike is more efficient, due to HOV use, fewer parking hassles, etc. and therefore you're saving the company money. I had a string of errands to run yesterday afternoon, which might have taken twice as long in a cage due to the hassles of parking. Legal maybe, but kind of a stinky policy to say *you* need to provide a personal vehicle to use on the job and then tell you it can't be a bike. I would understand if you had lots of tools to carry or something. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'Chris Weaver'" ; "'dccycles'" Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? > I would have ridden to work, except my company doesn't allow me to use > my motorcycle for company business. We got a memo a few months back that > said some guy in another sector of our company ditched while doing some > work related errand. The suits decided that a similar accident in a car > would have been a fender bender, while this guy ended up in ICU with the > company paying the bills. So they drafted a policy and *poof* no more > HOV runs for Pentagon assignments. > > Is this legal? I suppose it's like them giving us a dress code or > something. But I wonder if they tell us we can't use bikes, are they > obliged to offer company vehicles? Now that would be cool... Labor > experts, pundits, Libertarians, what say you? > > Robby C. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IEFVP4024387; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:15:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IEFUkK024379; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:15:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 18 Jul 2002 14:15:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20020718141528.26374.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Who Rode to Work? X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Paul Pontificated (well, sort of ...) ;-) >If an employee were severely injured in a car would they make you all take >the bus on company business?? Eliminate all cage travel and require you to >use a courier service?? Doubt it. You could argue that the bike is more >efficient, due to HOV use, fewer parking hassles, etc. and therefore you're >saving the company money [Dave] Tell them you are claustrophobic, and cars - particularly small ones, bother you. Their policy causes you extreme emotional distress, so you must take the motorcycle when at all possible to avoid panic attacks. You could additionally assert your only road worthy vehicle is a motorcycle and you either need an exception or provided vehicle to comply. See what the AMA has to say. I've been 'invited' to classes in MA, and after the last time I flew, I refused to fly - they can rent me a cage cheaper, and, I can get there in about the same time as if I flew. Admin: 'we have you going out of Dulles' Dave: NO. I won't fly. Admin: 'but everybody flies up there' Dave: NO ; it's only 2 letters, 'N', & 'O'. It's meaning is clear and unambiguous, get me a car, or pay me for taking mine. I'm not refusing to go, I'm refusing to fly. Admin: "It'll take too long" Dave: 'Maybe the way you drive or like Miss Daisy, but I can get up there in almost the same time as everyone spends when they fly into logan. FTS, I'm not flying. ... Just say NO. It works. Dave >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Curtis" >To: "'Chris Weaver'" ; "'dccycles'" > >Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:39 PM >Subject: RE: Who Rode to Work? >> I would have ridden to work, except my company doesn't allow me to use >> my motorcycle for company business. We got a memo a few months back that >> said some guy in another sector of our company ditched while doing some >> work related errand. The suits decided that a similar accident in a car >> would have been a fender bender, while this guy ended up in ICU with the >> company paying the bills. So they drafted a policy and *poof* no more >> HOV runs for Pentagon assignments. >> >> Is this legal? I suppose it's like them giving us a dress code or >> something. But I wonder if they tell us we can't use bikes, are they >> obliged to offer company vehicles? Now that would be cool... Labor >> experts, pundits, Libertarians, what say you? >> >> Robby C. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IEU2P4024619; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:30:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IEU2e5024615; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:30:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <015e01c22e68$3518f620$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , References: <20020718141528.26374.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Subject: Re: Re: Who Rode to Work? Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:34:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'd plead emotional health and stability...either allow my to ride my bike or be prepared pay for a high-priced shrink and to put me on full disability.... Paul in DC < > > Paul Pontificated (well, sort of ...) ;-) > > >If an employee were severely injured in a car would they make you all take > >the bus on company business?? Eliminate all cage travel and require you to > >use a courier service?? Doubt it. You could argue that the bike is more > >efficient, due to HOV use, fewer parking hassles, etc. and therefore you're > >saving the company money > > [Dave] Tell them you are claustrophobic, and cars - particularly small ones, bother you. Their policy causes you extreme emotional distress, so you must take the motorcycle when at all possible to avoid panic attacks. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IFLlP4025032; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:21:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IFLlkT025025; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:21:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <200207181532.g6IFWj534087@email.featureprice.com> X-Authentication-Warning: email.featureprice.com: nobody set sender to herb@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "herb" Subject: Weekend Moto Event: Music-Food-Fun-Motos Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:32:45 -0400 X-Mailer: "ATPmail, Version 4.22" Custom Cycles Open House Eagle Rider HD Motorcycle Rentals / MotorcycleGroupTours.com Budweiser / Mike's Hard Lemonade What: Music-Food-Fun-Motos When: Saturday July 20, 2000 from 11AM-2PM Where: The alley behind: 4074 Walney Road Chantilly, VA 20151 (Route 28 and Rt 50 in Chantilly) Telephone: (703) 802-9860 Map View: http://www.eagleriderdc.com/location.htm DCCycle listers Justin Lemrow, Rob Keiser and Herb Manell will have a booth set up...so stop by the MotorcycleGroupTours booth and say hi. Regards, Herb '99 VFR '99 Magna _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IFxxP4025375; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:59:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IFxxTU025368; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:59:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020718115526.020e1ea8@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:59:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Weekend Moto Event: Music-Food-Fun-Motos In-Reply-To: <200207181532.g6IFWj534087@email.featureprice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:32 AM 7/18/2002 -0400, herb wrote: >Custom Cycles Open House >Eagle Rider HD Motorcycle Rentals / MotorcycleGroupTours.com >Budweiser / Mike's Hard Lemonade > >What: Music-Food-Fun-Motos >When: Saturday July 20, 2000 from 11AM-2PM ...I assume you meant this coming weekend and not something two years ago. ;-) >Where: The alley behind: >4074 Walney Road >Chantilly, VA 20151 (Route 28 and Rt 50 in Chantilly) >Telephone: (703) 802-9860 >Map View: http://www.eagleriderdc.com/location.htm > >DCCycle listers Justin Lemrow, Rob Keiser and Herb Manell will have a booth >set up...so stop by the MotorcycleGroupTours booth and say hi. > >Regards, Herb >'99 VFR >'99 Magna _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IJDBP4026532; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:13:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IJDARL026523; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:13:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9B68@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSF questions Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:13:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How long does the discount you get from MSF classes for insurance last? Where can I get info on the advanced rider course on NoVA? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IJMCP4026723; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:22:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IJMCxm026718; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:22:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005501c22e90$f89b70a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rich Hall" , References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9B68@SERVER1> Subject: Re: MSF questions Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:26:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 1- It's up to the company, not MSF. I think mine is good for two years. 2- http://www.learn2ride.com/ ERC ("advanced" course) is offered at NVCC Loudoun. The MC stuff on NVCC's site is hard to find. Here's the direct link. http://www.nv.cc.va.us/loudoun/continuing/asp/view.asp?key=Motorcycle+Rider+ Training ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" > > How long does the discount you get from MSF classes for insurance last? > > Where can I get info on the advanced rider course on NoVA? > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IJQ8P4026916; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:26:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IJQ8Gm026911; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:26:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9B73@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MSF questions Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:26:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is it offered at Alexandria NVCC too? Thanks for the info. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:26 PM To: Rich Hall; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF questions 1- It's up to the company, not MSF. I think mine is good for two years. 2- http://www.learn2ride.com/ ERC ("advanced" course) is offered at NVCC Loudoun. The MC stuff on NVCC's site is hard to find. Here's the direct link. http://www.nv.cc.va.us/loudoun/continuing/asp/view.asp?key=Motorcycle+Rider+ Training ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" > > How long does the discount you get from MSF classes for insurance last? > > Where can I get info on the advanced rider course on NoVA? > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IJWDP4027101; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:32:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IJWD0N027097; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:32:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007001c22e92$5e0b58a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Rich Hall" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9B73@SERVER1> Subject: Re: MSF questions Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:36:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 No, Loudoun only for the ERC in northern Virginia. I'm not sure about downstate. It's the only range up here where we can run classes simultaneously. I notice there are only two dates left for the ERC. That's 24 slots. The basic course gets you an insurance discount too, but we may already be full up for the rest of the season and there's a greater time commitment. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Hall" > Is it offered at Alexandria NVCC too? > Thanks for the info. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > 2- http://www.learn2ride.com/ ERC ("advanced" course) is offered at NVCC > Loudoun. The MC stuff on NVCC's site is hard to find. Here's the direct > link. > > http://www.nv.cc.va.us/loudoun/continuing/asp/view.asp?key=Motorcycle+Rider+ > Training _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6IKu6P4028121; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:56:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6IKu4NM028107; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:56:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020718165404.046d92c0@annapurna.com> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:55:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: MSF questions In-Reply-To: <005501c22e90$f89b70a0$bb82fea9@palladio1> References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50C9B68@SERVER1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:26 PM 7/18/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >1- It's up to the company, not MSF. I think mine is good for two years. > > > > How long does the discount you get from MSF classes for insurance last? > > I took the basic course in 1989, and GEICO recently asked for a copy of the certificate so that they could apply the discount. YMMV. :-) /// Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6JEsAfX002054; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:54:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6JErxkP002036; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:53:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend Moto Event: Music-Food-Fun-Motos Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 10:52:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2002 14:52:52.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5281EC0:01C22F33] Yes, this was meant for tomorrow....oops! (good catch) 2002! Custom Cycles Open House Eagle Rider HD Motorcycle Rentals / MotorcycleGroupTours.com Budweiser / Mike's Hard Lemonade What: Music-Food-Fun-Motos When: Saturday July 20, 2002 from 11AM-2PM Where: The alley behind: 4074 Walney Road Chantilly, VA 20151 (Route 28 and Rt 50 in Chantilly) Telephone: (703) 802-9860 Map View: http://www.eagleriderdc.com/location.htm DCCycle listers Justin Lemrow, Rob Keiser and Herb Manell will have a booth set up...so stop by the MotorcycleGroupTours booth and say hi. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6JKwufX004202; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:58:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6JKwtoR004194; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:58:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B8CE@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'suprchase@XXXXXX'" Subject: Hole in gas tank Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:03:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Ryan Rogers ruefully remarked , "I own a 1991 Katana." :^) and regretfully reported, "Last night I noticed that there was a gas leak. I thought it was one of the lines coming loose. On further inspection I found I have a pin hole leak in the bottom of the Gas tank." =8^O Likely the pin hole cause is from rust. Condensate goes to the bottom of the tank. Likely, that area (On the left side -- yes?) is now very thin because of rust. More condensate collects on the kick stand side. So, easy with the JB Weld. Then RR respectfully requested (auggh, I can't hep myself) "Anyone know how to fix this?" 8^D http://www.por15store.com/ Specifically for motorcycles: http://www.easycarts.net/ecarts/PermanentRestorationProducts/FUEL_TANK_SEALE RS.html#CTRK2 With shipping, for ~$32, you can have a kit on your front porch in a few days. Maggots keeping SabMags (1982-86) running swear by it. Worked for me. Cautions: Drain your tank of gasoline and air it out well (summer sun should do the trick) After doing the POR-15 derust and rinsing, the tank must be vewy-vewy dry. You can dilute some of the water in the crannies with ethanol (A.K.A. shellac thinner), pour it out, and set the tank back in the hot-hot sun. Carl (back in Bethesda) Didn't ride Wednesday; was stuck with a Nissan in northern Wisconsin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KChNZS004964; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:43:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KChC2W004945; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:43:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:43:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Ok, NOW it's official Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Last week a certain someone let the cat out of the bag, then retreated with "I'll let Roach comment on that" Well, now I'm commenting. Last night, A very beautiful woman named Laura Granato accepted and now wears her engagement ring. She is the love of my life :) Kinda neat... I probably never would have met her if not for this list. Well, this list, and Jenette ;) - Roach _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KCxVZS005253; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KCxVfe005248; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:59:22 -0700 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 172.195.75.84 >Last night, A very beautiful woman named Laura >Granato accepted and now wears her engagement >ring. Oooohhh... I always cry at weddings Mazeltov Michael J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KCxZZS005288; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KCxYnR005283; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020720085747.02100780@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:43 AM 7/20/2002 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >Last week a certain someone let the cat out of the bag, then retreated >with "I'll let Roach comment on that" > >Well, now I'm commenting. > >Last night, A very beautiful woman named Laura >Granato accepted and now wears her engagement ring. >She is the love of my life :) > >Kinda neat... I probably never would have met her if not for this >list. Well, this list, and Jenette ;) > >- Roach > CONGRATULATIONS!.... I assume all us cycle scum will be invited to the wedding? At least to the reception afterwards. Nothing like 50+ bikes lined up with leather clad bikers milling about with the tuxedo and suit crowd. ;-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KCxVZS005253; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KCxVfe005248; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 05:59:22 -0700 From: Michael Jordan To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: mjordan812@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official Sender: mjordan812@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 172.195.75.84 >Last night, A very beautiful woman named Laura >Granato accepted and now wears her engagement >ring. Oooohhh... I always cry at weddings Mazeltov Michael J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KCxZZS005288; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KCxYnR005283; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020720085747.02100780@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:26 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:43 AM 7/20/2002 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >Last week a certain someone let the cat out of the bag, then retreated >with "I'll let Roach comment on that" > >Well, now I'm commenting. > >Last night, A very beautiful woman named Laura >Granato accepted and now wears her engagement ring. >She is the love of my life :) > >Kinda neat... I probably never would have met her if not for this >list. Well, this list, and Jenette ;) > >- Roach > CONGRATULATIONS!.... I assume all us cycle scum will be invited to the wedding? At least to the reception afterwards. Nothing like 50+ bikes lined up with leather clad bikers milling about with the tuxedo and suit crowd. ;-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KETiZ4001998; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:29:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KETbib001978; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:29:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: Brian Roach Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:53:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6KETYZ4001966 Congratulations! (see you get out of thigns what you put into it heh heh) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KGErZ4002610; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:14:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KGEqxP002602; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:14:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020720161449.28075.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:14:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Marhefsky Subject: Custom Ear Plugs To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FYI, Performance Hearing Systems is set up at the Old Dominion Gun show this weekend at the VFW on Minneville Rd in Dale City. They are acutally set up outside so you don't have to pay the admission to the show. They do the custom ear plugs while you wait for $39.99. They also do the jobbies with earphones for $179? (not sure if this is right or not). Anyhow I picked up a set of the standard soundstoppers and they are very nice. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KGuUZ4002916; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:56:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KGuUvl002911; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:56:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00c201c2300e$e71629e0$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: <20020717221427.24898.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:38:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I have never been a fan of GEICO. But they aced it for me when they submitted testimony for the helmet bill one year. They stated that "Some rights are not worth having". I would prefer not to beg an insurance company for my rights. I didn't intend to start the helmet thread, just tossing in my two cents about GEICO. Kathleen Loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Dysart" To: "matthew patton" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? > I say fu*k Geico and find someone decent to insure > your bike. Geico is nothing but trouble... always > has been and probably always will be. > > Glenn > > --- matthew patton wrote: > > I tried to get coverage on my new mount but these > > guys think it's a > > bloody sportbike? Anyone here have their ZR with > > Geico? How much? I > > wrote them a nice (and long) letter of protest. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > > http://autos.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KIGAZ4003467; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:16:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KIG9Ob003460; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:16:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, fastlanecycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:09:18 -0400 Subject: Fast Lane Cycles HP Dyno Shootout - Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Message-ID: <20020720.141224.-948935.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-5,8-19,23-28 From: Tom Fitzpatrick That's right, folks. Everybody's favorite hang out, Fast Lane Cycles at 4215-B Walney Road, near the intersection of Walney and Route 50 in Chantilly, VA, is having its 8th Annual Snap-On Horespower Shootout this Sunday, July 21st. For the calendar challenged, that's TOMORROW, 11:00 am - 5:00pm. - DynoJet Dyno Hp shootout with 5 different classes, w/trophies and prizes and bragging rights in each class up to third, and free t-shirt to all who enter! - Snap-On Display Tent - MIG Exhaust Display Tent - Joe Rocket Display Tent - Crazy Sportbike Stunts! Moto Psychos Appearing! - Food Service will be available If you love the smell of Power Mist in the morning, special deals on sport bike equipment and gear, the camaraderie of other slightly off center people like yourselves, and wading through a sea of interesting bikes, you don't want to miss this event. Directions and contact information below. Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 Sponsored by: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com)* _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KIY9Z4003692; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:34:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KIY9hf003685; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:34:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020720143320.029d6500@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:33:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm not sure if you meant 'things' or 'thighs' Congrats Laura and Brian. At 09:53 AM 7/20/2002, you wrote: >(see you get out of thigns what you put into it heh heh) ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org "Your glass is empty O'Flaherty, will you be having another?" "And why would I be wanting two empty glasses?" replied O'Flaherty. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6KIZeZ4003859; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:35:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6KIZdOG003854; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:35:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020720143421.029e0c40@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 14:35:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Custom Ear Plugs In-Reply-To: <20020720161449.28075.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:14 PM 7/20/2002, Brian Marhefsky wrote: >FYI, Performance Hearing Systems is set up at the >Old Dominion Gun show ... They do the custom ear plugs while you >wait for $39.99. They also do the jobbies with >earphones for $179? I looked at these at the Hoot last year. Nice looking, but I understand they don't stay in the ear very well. I'll stick to my mail order foam plugs for now. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6L0aBZ4006526; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:36:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6L0a5o1006507; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:36:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020721003602.28686.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Fast Lane Cycles HP Dyno Shootout - Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020720.141224.-948935.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Pity they don't have an award for "cheapest and most trivial mod to a production (and stock) motorcycle to fix the downright abominable jetting from the factory." Piece of foam or duct tape applied to 1/2 the airbox intake on a '00+ Kawi ZR-7. Someone please tell me why the Jap's can almost never get jetting right from the factory for these shores? Brit and German bikes may have issues but they aren't so horrendous in my experience. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6L0iwZ4006720; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:44:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6L0iwiY006712; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:44:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020721004455.98635.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii who says there will (or need to) be tuxes and fancy dresses? I figure Roach will be dressed in his finest racing livery (black with a white V purhaps) and gratuitous bow-tie. And the bride in her multi-color leathers with maybe a frilly something attached. The alter would be a table built around an Aprilia 250 and instead of decanters of wine you'd have 2-stroke oil and bottles of 115 octane for the guests. The 'band' could be the beautiful chorus of MotoGP 2 and 4 strokes and a few WSB sound tracks thrown in for variety. Ok, am I sick or what? Seriously, congrats and let me know if I can help out any way. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6L0v3Z4006923; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:57:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6L0v3wi006919; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:57:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 20:57:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official In-Reply-To: <20020721004455.98635.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 20 Jul 2002, matthew patton wrote: > who says there will (or need to) be tuxes and fancy dresses? I figure > Roach will be dressed in his finest racing livery (black with a white V > purhaps) and gratuitous bow-tie. And the bride in her multi-color > leathers with maybe a frilly something attached. The alter would be a > table built around an Aprilia 250 and instead of decanters of wine > you'd have 2-stroke oil and bottles of 115 octane for the guests. Believe it or not, both of us are really into having a traditional, formal wedding :) In a church, even! (You may want to let us go in first, or make sure you are well grounded...) We're starting the insane process of planning things now... and it's actually a lot of fun. We'll keep everyone posted. We were talking today about having some sort of DC-Cycles engagement party... for all the couples. Anyone interested? - Roach _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6L3A4Z4007660; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:10:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6L3A2jw007644; Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:10:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 21 Jul 2002 03:09:54 GMT Message-ID: <001c01c23066$1f92b160$f14efea9@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Brian Roach" , References: Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 23:24:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > We'll keep everyone posted. We were talking today about having some sort > of DC-Cycles engagement party... for all the couples. Anyone interested? I second that...I know there are a lot of people out there who are engaged or recently been married on this list...I say we all get together and have a celebration!!!! LAG _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LBXoZ4022471; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:33:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LBXnqr022463; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:33:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3A9DE7.D1B24C4A@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 07:41:27 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club U.S.A. www.soc-usa.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Roach CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian Roach wrote: > Last week a certain someone let the cat out of the bag, then retreated > with "I'll let Roach comment on that" > Brian, Laura, Need a preacher? I'm an Ordained Minister with the Beer Church. I can do the service for friends in lieu of Beer. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LEwZZ4023433; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:58:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LEwVNM023417; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:58:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.49.179.96] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:57:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 14:57:24.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC1DD0B0:01C230C6] Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I can program it in to my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even have a center stand, so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really an option. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LHYUZ4024212; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:34:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LHYTfb024204; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:34:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fast Lane Cycles HP Dyno Shootout - Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:41:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020720.141224.-948935.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20020720.141224.-948935.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6LHYRZ4024192 |>- Crazy Sportbike Stunts! Moto Psychos Appearing! What the hell someone stole my wordplay! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LHafZ4024388; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:36:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LHaelA024381; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:36:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: "Tim Spong" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3ksljucdos1k1db2tj7sknfipfr7o4mjbt@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6LHadZ4024364 You ride it to the local air pump, and plug it with a tire plug kit. $5 or less at most auto stores. That's what I do. On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:57:23 +0000, you wrote: |>Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I can program it in to |>my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even have a center stand, |>so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really an option. |> |> |> |>_________________________________________________________________ |>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: |>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LIhdZ4024838; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:43:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LIhdae024830; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:43:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3B022B.786FF59B@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:49:15 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny MotorPsychoL CC: Tim Spong , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? References: <3ksljucdos1k1db2tj7sknfipfr7o4mjbt@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great idea, Danny -- unless your bike tires have tubes, and most bikes with spoked wheels have tubes. Bill Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > You ride it to the local air pump, and plug it with a tire plug kit. > $5 or less at most auto stores. That's what I do. > > On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:57:23 +0000, you wrote: > > |>Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I can program it in to > |>my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even have a center stand, > |>so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really an option. > |> > |> > |> > |>_________________________________________________________________ > |>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > |>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LIkiZ4025011; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:46:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LIkiCn025006; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:46:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3B02E9.200E3CAD@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:52:25 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Spong CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pick your fav bike shop with pickup service and use that number. Forget those Honda/Harley/Kawi/etc triple A type cards with a 1-800 number unless you packed a lunch and are willing to sit on your butt for several hours. They blow. Bill Tim Spong wrote: > Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I can program it in to > my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even have a center stand, > so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really an option. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LKKbZ4025557; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:20:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LKKaJI025548; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:20:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Danny MotorPsychoL cc: Tim Spong , Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? In-Reply-To: <3ksljucdos1k1db2tj7sknfipfr7o4mjbt@4ax.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > You ride it to the local air pump, and plug it with a tire plug kit. > $5 or less at most auto stores. That's what I do. > I carry a mini (9 inches long by 1/2 inch) mountain bike tire pump. If I have to use it, I'm sure I'll pumping for 1/2 an hour but its nice to know if I'm in the middle of nowhere I have air. Wal-Mart has a decent selection of plug kits too. All these are only for tubless tires. If I remember correctly Tim has spoked wheels. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LKTaZ4025749; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:29:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LKTZOl025741; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 16:29:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020721202933.99694.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <001c01c23066$1f92b160$f14efea9@dccracing.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Laura Granato wrote: .... > I second that...I know there are a lot of people out > there who are engaged > or recently been married on this list...I say we all > get together and have a > celebration!!!! ...or a wake for those about to be dearly departed. I agree with Matt; black leathers would seem most appropriate. Somehow my initial plans for being married in tennis clothes on center court at Dennis Ralston's Broadmoor tennis center have been recently vetoed.... -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LLJ6Z4026101; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:19:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LLJ5xf026095; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:19:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020721211902.94241.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: can a stock shock be disassembled easily? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can I ask the likes of say CrossRoads cycles (or anyone else want to volunteer) to disassemble a Kayaba shock that came on my ZR-7? It doesn't look very hard provided one has a way of compressing the spring to take the tension off. I need to find out what it's rating is (natch it's not marked) so I can get it replaced. These ramp style adjusters sure don't have much in the way of adjustability. Despite 7 notches it's only good for 5mm of preload. The shock is already out so it should be somewhat straightforward. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LLTjZ4026372; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:29:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LLThAH026353; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:29:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [151.200.16.190] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: entrpoop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:28:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2002 21:28:36.0416 (UTC) FILETIME=[92991400:01C230FD] I NEVER wanted to get married, but it's turned out pretty damned ok! (Surprised the hell out of me!) LOL CONGRATS LAURA AND BRIAN!!!! :-) And yes, let's all get together & celebrate! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Larry Larson >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) > > >--- Laura Granato wrote: >.... > > I second that...I know there are a lot of people out > > there who are engaged > > or recently been married on this list...I say we all > > get together and have a > > celebration!!!! > >...or a wake for those about to be dearly departed. I >agree with Matt; black leathers would seem most >appropriate. > >Somehow my initial plans for being married in tennis >clothes on center court at Dennis Ralston's Broadmoor >tennis center have been recently vetoed.... > >-- Larry > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LM0wZ4026644; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:00:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LM0wx0026639; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:00:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006701c23100$ffe53e50$f0662c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "matthew patton" Cc: "DC-CYCLES" References: <20020721211902.94241.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: can a stock shock be disassembled easily? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:53:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Matt, did you try the Race-Tech web site? They will give you the stock shock's rating when computing your "ideal" spring rates based on your weight, intended loads and riding style. www.race-tech.com Click on "spring rate search" and follow the prompts. I did this on my VFR recently just to see how far the stock setup varied from what they called "ideal." Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "matthew patton" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: can a stock shock be disassembled easily? > Can I ask the likes of say CrossRoads cycles (or anyone else want to > volunteer) to disassemble a Kayaba shock that came on my ZR-7? It > doesn't look very hard provided one has a way of compressing the spring > to take the tension off. I need to find out what it's rating is (natch > it's not marked) so I can get it replaced. These ramp style adjusters > sure don't have much in the way of adjustability. Despite 7 notches > it's only good for 5mm of preload. The shock is already out so it > should be somewhat straightforward. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6LM6fZ4026843; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:06:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6LM6fL4026839; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:06:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020721180525.01c07d50@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 18:06:31 -0400 To: dan , Danny MotorPsychoL From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Cc: Tim Spong , In-Reply-To: References: <3ksljucdos1k1db2tj7sknfipfr7o4mjbt@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:22 PM 7/21/2002 -0400, dan wrote: >On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > > > You ride it to the local air pump, and plug it with a tire plug kit. > > $5 or less at most auto stores. That's what I do. > > > >I carry a mini (9 inches long by 1/2 inch) mountain bike tire pump. If I >have to use it, I'm sure I'll pumping for 1/2 an hour but its nice to know >if I'm in the middle of nowhere I have air. Wal-Mart has a decent >selection of plug kits too. All these are only for tubless tires. If I >remember correctly Tim has spoked wheels. > >Dan I heard that the CO2 cartridges and the inflator for them that you can get at a bicycle shop work very well. You'll need 3-4 cartridges most likely but it'll be fast and painless. -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M0StZ4028104; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:28:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M0Stdg028097; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:28:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722002853.29238.qmail@web13804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 17:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official To: Brian Roach , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congrats you two! A racers wedding?? --- Brian Roach wrote: > > Last week a certain someone let the cat out of the > bag, then retreated > with "I'll let Roach comment on that" > > Well, now I'm commenting. > > Last night, A very beautiful woman named Laura > Granato accepted and now wears her engagement ring. > She is the love of my life :) > > Kinda neat... I probably never would have met her if > not for this > list. Well, this list, and Jenette ;) > > - Roach > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M0ptZ4028411; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:51:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M0pt98028405; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:51:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dcccycles" , Cc: "jay" Subject: wedding plans Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 From: Brian Roach To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official > who says there will (or need to) be tuxes and fancy dresses? I figure > Roach will be dressed in his finest racing livery (black with a white V > purhaps) and gratuitous bow-tie. And the bride in her multi-color > leathers with maybe a frilly something attached. The alter would be a > table built around an Aprilia 250 and instead of decanters of wine > you'd have 2-stroke oil and bottles of 115 octane for the guests. Believe it or not, both of us are really into having a traditional, formal wedding :) In a church, even! (You may want to let us go in first, or make sure you are well grounded...) We're starting the insane process of planning things now... and it's actually a lot of fun. We'll keep everyone posted. We were talking today about having some sort of DC-Cycles engagement party... for all the couples. Anyone interested? - Roach Jay and I both read this email together. The comment about the grounding in the church made us laugh. Jay and I couldn't stand the idea of getting married in a church, Jay was afraid that lightning would strike him down at any moment when we did visit one church while planning. We opted for the very, very short "I do, You do" ceremony overlooking a golf course, we had been warned not to make to too long or the guests will start watching the golfers. "We're starting the insane process of planning things now... and it's actually a lot of fun." FOR NOW!!!!! Just wait!!! Sure, we're up for some kind of party. Keep us posted. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M0sVZ4028585; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:54:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M0sUL2028578; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:54:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:54:22 -0400 From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I'm back Message-ID: <1AFE3961.56FEFE37.1056E6D9@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hay gang, I'm back from Laguna. My ass is slightly numb but, everything else is OK. Soon as I figure out the best way to post my pics, I'll let everyone know where they are. Grand total for mileage was close to 6000 miles. See ya'll out there. Scooter _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M1CrZ4028881; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:12:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M1Cr7L028874; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:12:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Aki Damme cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020721180525.01c07d50@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I heard that the CO2 cartridges and the inflator for them that you can > get at a bicycle shop work very well. You'll need 3-4 cartridges most likely > but it'll be fast and painless. > I tried those before (on the mountain bike), seems if you don't get them on just right, your CO2 cartrige is empty before you know it. I guess with 3-4 cartidges you can afford to chance it though. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M2kXZ4029413; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:46:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M2kUWH029397; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:46:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020721224342.029d9df0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:45:41 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Archives are back Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.dccycles.com/ Click on archives. Updated through the end of June 2002. Running through another database update tonight, but its all there now. I am still working on automating the process. Now that we are on a fast, stable system I will go ahead and write the script in. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M2l6Z4029573; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:47:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M2l5kc029568; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:47:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Tim Spong" , Subject: RE: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:40:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal I recently had the pleasure of calling around to get my motorcycle towed to the nearest dealership. Thank god it was not on the side of the road. At that time I had roadside assistance with Progressive and Honda Riders Club of America. Now I have only Honda because it reimburses me each year for Motorcycle Safety classes. The gentleman (and I use that term only cause I have to) said he checked with 30 towing companies and none of them would do motorcycles. He apologized but literally said that I was out of luck. When I asked why I was paying for this service, his only reply was "sorry". Honda and I sat down and had a nice chat. The gentleman was very receptive but still couldn't help me. I am having to do a reimbursement 'cause they couldn't find anybody also. He stated that no one wanted to take the purchase orders from all the companies cause the companies are not getting paid. I personally use Independent Motorcycle Transport (301)946-5412. He is a very nice guy and works well with you. He rides himself, guess that is why he treats people so well. He is out of Rockville but hasn't let me down yet. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk -----Original Message----- From: Tim Spong [mailto:timspong@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:57 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I can program it in to my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even have a center stand, so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really an option. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M3EGZ4029841; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:14:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M3EFcr029837; Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:14:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020721231113.029e42d0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 23:13:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: More on archives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ...in addition, every post is now added to the archive using a perl script. For the techies that care - I modified the 'minimalist' script I use for the humor@XXXXXX list to parse incoming messages to an auto-archiver. Anyway - after I dump in the rest of July, we will have a complete archive, searched and indexed weekly. Woo Hoo. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6M6LxZ4031289; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:21:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6M6LcLQ031141; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:21:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: linux1.gl.umbc.edu: jconli1 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:21:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Subject: pumping up a flat In-Reply-To: <200207212300.g6LN01bw027221@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII yikes... after about 5 minutes with a hand-pump, I can't feel my entire arm. Drop $8 on a small 12v compressor at Wal-Mart, break off the plastic housing, shove it in a ziploc bag and keep it under your seat or in your tankbag. After your flat repair, you can wire it up, and spend about 5 minutes daydreaming that the high-pitched whine you hear is a 2-stroke GP bike, then ride away with a happy tire. Best $8 I've ever spent. I think. -- Jeff Conlin Beltsville, MD '95 GPz1100 http://jeff.desi-9.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MBHxZ4000487; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:17:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MBHvF7000468; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:17:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.1f81c0f3.2a6d43e2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:17:54 EDT Subject: Re: Geico and the ZR-7(s)? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/20/2002 12:56:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX writes: > But they aced it for me when they > submitted testimony for the helmet bill one year. They stated that "Some > rights are not worth having". Ahh, but you see it is not about helmets, it is about our rights, and their "right" to profits. If I wrote what I really think about that "rights not worth having" statement my keyboard would melt. Bastards. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MBR4Z4000676; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:27:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MBR4uh000672; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:27:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <18e.b11a460.2a6d45fe@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:26:54 EDT Subject: Re: Fast Lane Cycles HP Dyno Shootout - Sunday, Sunday, Sunday! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/20/2002 8:35:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pattonme@XXXXXX writes: > Someone please tell me why the Jap's can almost never get jetting right > from the factory for these shores? E. P. A. Brit and German bikes have problems too, just ask about surging problems with BMWs. There is a correct fuel/air mix, and an incorrect air/fuel mix*. The EPA _requires_ an incorrect mix. *Not talking air quality here. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MBmnZ4000918; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:48:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MBmn98000911; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:48:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3BF26F.BEF73FA8@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:54:23 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MacDa@XXXXXX CC: Tim Spong , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exactly! Getting a tow thru a riders club, and even the AAA for your cage, is painful and requires you to sit forever waiting for the tow truck to arrive, if it ever does. The reluctance of tow companys to service bikes may be prompted by previous experiance. Those plastic sportbikes - where do the straps go? Oh, use a flat bed - hey, that should work, bike tied down on a half acre of slippery metal deck with no wheel chocks.... yeah. Lucky me, no plastic covering up my ride, and the best way to tow my steed is on the hook. Bill "Scott R. Russell" wrote: > I recently had the pleasure of calling around to get my motorcycle towed to > the nearest dealership. Thank god it was not on the side of the road. At > that time I had roadside assistance with Progressive and Honda Riders Club > of America. Now I have only Honda because it reimburses me each year for > Motorcycle Safety classes. > > The gentleman (and I use that term only cause I have to) said he checked > with 30 towing companies and none of them would do motorcycles. He > apologized but literally said that I was out of luck. When I asked why I > was paying for this service, his only reply was "sorry". > > Honda and I sat down and had a nice chat. The gentleman was very receptive > but still couldn't help me. I am having to do a reimbursement 'cause they > couldn't find anybody also. He stated that no one wanted to take the > purchase orders from all the companies cause the companies are not getting > paid. > > I personally use Independent Motorcycle Transport (301)946-5412. He is a > very nice guy and works well with you. He rides himself, guess that is why > he treats people so well. He is out of Rockville but hasn't let me down > yet. > > Scott Russell > 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Spong [mailto:timspong@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:57 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? > > Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I can program it in to > my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even have a center stand, > so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really an option. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MBsTZ4001169; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:54:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MBsSun001164; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:54:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <17a.ba476e3.2a6d4c66@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:54:14 EDT Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/21/2002 2:43:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > Great idea, Danny -- unless your bike tires have tubes, and most bikes with > spoked > wheels have tubes. I have successfully used the "self inflating Fix a Flat" type of stuff in my tube type BMW tires, no guarantee, but it has gotten me home, or to a filling station more then once. I currently carry a plug kit and CO2 "pump." I have never had one of my plugs fail (one in my tire now, come to think of it I have _never_ worn out a rear tire on my ST without having to put a plug in it.) As for the "pump"... untested at this point. Of course if you have no place to carry this shituff, it is all a moot point anyhow. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MBtCZ4001353; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:55:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MBtCsi001346; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:55:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00b001c23176$51395910$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: HP Shootout Photos Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:52:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 >From Sunday. Enjoy! http://www.tl1000.com/020721 Gary Foreman _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MCjQZ4002446; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:45:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MCjP1E002437; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:45:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000b01c2317e$142059e0$36521840@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: , , , "matthew patton" Subject: Re: Who ya' gonna call? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:46:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 unless your bike tires have tubes, and most bikes with spoked wheels have tubes Hey, Yeah, if you're impaired with actually "laced" wheels, they are tubed. And riding on tires while totally flat may damage the bead and/or sidewall and/or rim, so riding on it unless absolutely necessary should probably be avoided. BTW, BMW has those cool tube-less yet laced wheels on a lot of their bikes. I've done two things to try and diffuse this situation, should it arrive on me. (1) I went to Bob's BMW in Jessup and bought the tube-less tire repair kit. It's very compact, contains everything you need to at least limp to a service station or telephone (includes CO2 cartridges and a cool inflation thing-y) and offers me a false sense of security as I've never actually plugged a flat tire before but now feel invincible because I have to tools to accomplish so; (2) I joined H.O.G. HOG offers free roadside assistance for Harley Owners who run out of gas or get a flat or lose their keys or what-have-you. When I owned a Honda, I was in HRCA. I assume many other bike manufacturers do this same thing. I joined because it's only about $34/year, and that works out to about $.0028333/mile for my peace of mind. So it's worth it. Also, I believe HRCA will even cover non-Honda bikes, but HOG only covers Harleys. Someone please tell me why the [insensitive reference]'s can almost never get jetting right from the factory for these shores? Brit and German bikes may have issues but they aren't so horrendous in my experience. Bike manufacturers jet to pass U.S. EPA standards. That's all. If they could send a bike out the door making more power by being in a better state of tune, don't you think they would? If I made bikes, I'd want to advertise how much HP my bikes were making. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Need fix-it advice for a belt-driven Harley: When my bike is stone cold, as in the first start up after a good day or two in the garage, it makes a squeaking noise. The noise seems to becoming from the left side middle of the bike (and get this), it only squeaks for the first mile or two, only when the bike is rolling, and only while the clutch is out. While riding, when I pull in the clutch to shift gears (up or down, doesn't matter), the squeak stops. The noise is generally more prevalent after washing the bike. The noise doesn't seem to increase with either engine speed nor ground speed. But perhaps a little with ground speed. The noise will dissipate in the first few miles (read: inside of two miles), and won't return again until the bike is really cold. I can ride to an event, and re-start the bike 10 hours later and it won't be there. The bike can't be ridden for a long time before it'll return. Any ideas, or does anyone know who may have an idea? Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1982 Honda ATC185S Pit Vehicle 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project You know you're addicted to racing when you refer to the end of your driveway as 'Pit Out' _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MCklZ4002616; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:46:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MCklGS002609; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:46:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: lisagoddard@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, roach@XXXXXX Cc: redbelly@XXXXXX Subject: Re: wedding plans Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:46:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 12:46:39.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2F4B240:01C2317D] I think most of my guests thought they were at the wrong wedding when I walked in wearing a very traditional dress and in a church with a HUGE cross. LOL But the church stayed standing! ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >From: Brian Roach >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official > >Believe it or not, both of us are really into having a traditional, formal >wedding :) In a church, even! (You may want to let us go in first, or make >sure you are well grounded...) > >We're starting the insane process of planning things now... and it's >actually a lot of fun. > >We'll keep everyone posted. We were talking today about having some sort >of DC-Cycles engagement party... for all the couples. Anyone interested? > >- Roach > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MCsOZ4002807; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:54:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MCsNWf002800; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:54:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [206.11.149.33] From: "Jeannette Zell" To: roach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Ok, NOW it's official Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:54:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 12:54:16.0492 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3101EC0:01C2317E] If I somehow how something to do with it, COOL! :D Tell people who don't want to get married to stay away from DC Cycles! It's catching! ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 (FINALLY cleared to ride again!) http://www.geocities.com/motocity/speedway/3081 >From: Brian Roach >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: OT: Ok, NOW it's official >Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:43:08 -0400 (EDT) > > >Last week a certain someone let the cat out of the bag, then retreated >with "I'll let Roach comment on that" > >Well, now I'm commenting. > >Last night, A very beautiful woman named Laura >Granato accepted and now wears her engagement ring. >She is the love of my life :) > >Kinda neat... I probably never would have met her if not for this >list. Well, this list, and Jenette ;) > >- Roach > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDBMZ4003062; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:11:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDBMOm003057; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:11:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722131119.27112.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Who ya' gonna call? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000b01c2317e$142059e0$36521840@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Howard J. Koontz" wrote: > mind. So it's worth it. Also, I believe HRCA will even cover > non-Honda bikes Nope. Been there tried that. I was sore put out. > Someone please tell me why the [insensitive reference]'s Sorry if I offended anyone. I grew up in the land of the rising sun (17yrs) I didn't realize the shortened reference was going to be a problem. I'm not asking for perfect engine tune or more power. I'm interested in even a modicum of reasonable drivability. I blocked off 1/2 the intake is all (didn't touch a blessed thing else) and it transformed the engine from idle on up to the rev limiter. And I still got 56 mpg. Pretty much all of the after-market solutions result in way lower gas milage and lots of richness down low which the EPA I'm sure would be happy to ding. I'll have to get myself an O2 sensor and see what the difference is. But I was under the impression EPA testing was done at near idle speeds so I wouldn't be surprised if my bike still passed the test. I don't worry about the IRS any more. I'd like to see the EPA go up in flames though. I'll be sure to have a bellows nearby to pump on more O2 so that the smoke passes regulation. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDO0Z4003303; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:24:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDNxCu003298; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:23:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:23:56 -0700 From: To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: can a stock shock be disassembled easily? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 206.20.132.103 Matt, If the shock is re-buildable (a lot of stock shocks aren't), then the short answer is "yes" Crossroads can rebuild a rear shock. Also, as Paul Wilson suggested, if you go to the Race Tech website it will tell you what the stock spring rating is and (I think) if the shock can be re-built. Chuck On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:19:02 -0700 (PDT) matthew patton wrote: Can I ask the likes of say CrossRoads cycles (or anyone else want to volunteer) to disassemble a Kayaba shock that came on my ZR-7? It doesn't look very hard provided one has a way of compressing the spring to take the tension off. I need to find out what it's rating is (natch it's not marked) so I can get it replaced. These ramp style adjusters sure don't have much in the way of adjustability. Despite 7 notches it's only good for 5mm of preload. The shock is already out so it should be somewhat straightforward. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDPJZ4003492; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:25:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDPIee003488; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:25:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3C0912.5A2234D7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:30:58 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: matthew patton CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Who ya' gonna call? References: <20020722131119.27112.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit matthew patton wrote: > I'm not asking for perfect engine tune or more power. I'm interested in > even a modicum of reasonable drivability. I blocked off 1/2 the intake > is all (didn't touch a blessed thing else) and it transformed the > engine from idle on up to the rev limiter. And I still got 56 mpg. > Pretty much all of the after-market solutions result in way lower gas > milage and lots of richness down low which the EPA I'm sure would be > happy to ding. I'll have to get myself an O2 sensor and see what the > difference is. But I was under the impression EPA testing was done at > near idle speeds so I wouldn't be surprised if my bike still passed the > test. Nope. The cage EPA test is done at idle and road speed under a load via a treadmill wheel. The garages use the old static in nuetral test around 2K RPM for cages on full-time 4wd vehicles. No way in hell are they gonna drop an M/C on the treadmill and run it up, a recipe for disastor. But I figure EPA testing on bikes, in some form, will be coming to VA and the Metro area soon. I think CA already does it. Bi;ll _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDPOZ4003530; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:25:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDPOdR003524; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:25:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d801c23183$db868c20$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <3ksljucdos1k1db2tj7sknfipfr7o4mjbt@4ax.com> <5.1.1.5.2.20020721180525.01c07d50@pop.east.cox.net> Subject: Re: who(m) do you call in DC if you have a flat? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:29:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 More like eight or nine to get a rear tire up to ridable pressure. Someone already mentioned getting the mini-pump from Wal-Mart that plugs into a cig lighter. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aki Damme" > At 04:22 PM 7/21/2002 -0400, dan wrote: > >On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Danny MotorPsychoL wrote: > > > I heard that the CO2 cartridges and the inflator for them that you can > get at a bicycle shop work very well. You'll need 3-4 cartridges most likely > but it'll be fast and painless. > > -aki > > > > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDUpZ4003853; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:30:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDUpIZ003849; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:30:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722133049.68722.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? To: Tim Spong , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii independent m/c transport (24 hours) 301 946-5412 --- Tim Spong wrote: > Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I > can program it in to > my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even > have a center stand, > so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really > an option. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDYLZ4004037; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:34:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDYKUH004032; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:34:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYpy0f7a+QI9+5/84AiwEuwyPRvFztWC44/dfxIu5L/1YIFZVWyc+TYNg0JsdqP2rc= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" , "William J. Huson" Subject: emissions testing. Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:34:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <3D3C0912.5A2234D7@patriot.net> Importance: Normal Arizona does it in urban counties (Pima and Maricopa aka Tucson and Phoenix). M/C types (AMA?) are trying to get it repealed. Back in the day, my very non-stock GS 750 (Yosh cams, headers, 850cc big bore kit, wiseco 12.5:1 pistons, smooth bores) passed just fine. They would stick the sniffer in the tailpipe, and measure at idle and then, IIRC, at 4k rpm, no load. Or maybe just at idle, I don't really remember. This was in the mid-80s.... --jon 01 s00z00ki bandit 1200 > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] > But I > figure EPA testing on bikes, in some form, will be coming to VA and the > Metro area soon. I think CA already does it. > > Bi;ll > ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDrPZ4004349; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:53:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDrPrw004341; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:53:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <013e01c23187$c5b4c660$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: emissions testing. Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:57:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I think they were successful in repealing moto testing in AZ. I read that in one of the moto mags. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles" ; "William J. Huson" Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 9:34 AM Subject: emissions testing. > Arizona does it in urban counties (Pima and Maricopa aka Tucson and > Phoenix). M/C types (AMA?) are trying to get it repealed. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MDs7Z4004516; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:54:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MDs6NX004510; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:54:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:49:37 -0400 From: Doc PC X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal Reply-To: Doc PC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11240251640.20020722094937@primushost.com> To: "Howard J. Koontz" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re[2]: Who ya' gonna call? In-Reply-To: <000b01c2317e$142059e0$36521840@apnHOFOJOKO> References: <000b01c2317e$142059e0$36521840@apnHOFOJOKO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howard sez: Need fix-it advice for a belt-driven Harley: When my bike is stone cold, as in the first start up after a good day or two in the garage, it makes a squeaking noise. The noise seems to becoming from the left side middle of the bike (and get this), it only squeaks for the first mile or two, only when the bike is rolling, and only while the clutch is out. While riding, when I pull in the clutch to shift gears (up or down, doesn't matter), the squeak stops. The noise is generally more prevalent after washing the bike. The noise doesn't seem to increase with either engine speed nor ground speed. But perhaps a little with ground speed. The noise will dissipate in the first few miles (read: inside of two miles), and won't return again until the bike is really cold. I can ride to an event, and re-start the bike 10 hours later and it won't be there. The bike can't be ridden for a long time before it'll return. Any ideas, or does anyone know who may have an idea? That's an interesting problem. It's not the belt, because the noise stops when you pull in the clutch. For the same reason it's not in the compensator sprocket or the primary chain. My money would be on something like the clutch release pin; when you pull in the clutch the pin is under pressure and when you relase it the pin is free to squeak. However, I'm at a loss to explain why it doesn't do this when the bike is standing still. ;-) Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- State Officer for Virginia Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MEKBZ4004938; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:20:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MEKAIC004925; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:20:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722142008.4340.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Portrait of an Accident To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I just got back from a wonderful weekend camping at Lake Moomaw, near Warm Springs, Va. Delphine and I left DC at 6AM Saturday morning and went via 211 too 33 to 28 to 94 to 39. What great great great roads. The lake was perfect as we had a very private camping spot right near the Lake, which was WARM. The ride back to DC yesterday was a little rushed but great nonetheless. Instead of taking 39 back into Wva, we went to Warm Springs, the took 220 up to Franklin, and 33 back (then 211 again, I tell you 211 is boring after West Va!!). Unfortunately, we did come accross a serious accident of a local rider. I will post his name here (Scott Atcheson (sp?)) only because some of you may know him. The details are at the link which follows, but it looks like he is going to be ok. If I get more news from his girlfriend I will post it ASAP. Details of the accident and photos can be found here: http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/moto.htm Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MEKBZ4004940; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:20:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MEKBMi004932; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:20:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722142008.95911.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:20:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Portrait of an Accident To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, I just got back from a wonderful weekend camping at Lake Moomaw, near Warm Springs, Va. Delphine and I left DC at 6AM Saturday morning and went via 211 too 33 to 28 to 94 to 39. What great great great roads. The lake was perfect as we had a very private camping spot right near the Lake, which was WARM. The ride back to DC yesterday was a little rushed but great nonetheless. Instead of taking 39 back into Wva, we went to Warm Springs, the took 220 up to Franklin, and 33 back (then 211 again, I tell you 211 is boring after West Va!!). Unfortunately, we did come accross a serious accident of a local rider. I will post his name here (Scott Atcheson (sp?)) only because some of you may know him. The details are at the link which follows, but it looks like he is going to be ok. If I get more news from his girlfriend I will post it ASAP. Details of the accident and photos can be found here: http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/moto.htm Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MGQgZ4006089; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:26:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MGQbNm006073; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:26:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020722112941.02176730@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:26:28 -0400 To: harley_dyna@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Product Report - Draggin Jeans Airflow II Jacket In-Reply-To: References: <200207192000.g6JK01V15657@ZooStation.CNS.OhioU.EdU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed (xposted to harley_dyna and dc-cycles mail lists) Hey folks, As some of you know, I've been looking for a good, ventilated summer riding jacket. What I've been looking for is something that is inexpensive, (sub $200), well ventilated, offers some type of padded protection and made of good quality leather and looks good as well. And of course, being a Harley rider, must come in black. ;-) I ordered and received Fast Companies Airflow II jacket last Friday and I thought I would give a little product write up on it. http://www.dragginjeans.com/airflow.html Fast Company, the maker of Draggin Jeans recently went into the jacket business. Before that, they were focused on their kevlar jean products. Many companies that's "branched out", tends to have quality and prices that are spotty at best and I wasn't sure what to expect. However, having a good purchasing experience buying their jeans and kevlar shirt, I though I'd give their Airflow II jacket a try. The price is $169.95 and with s/h from NC to Va, it came to $179.00, UPS ground, it arrived in two days. I was quite surprised how quickly it arrived. The entire front of the jacket, as well as the undersides of both sleeves are perforated leather. Additionally, it has zippers on the cuffs of each sleeve and a snap to close tightly around the wrist. It has a 1 1/2" collar which wraps snugly around the neck if you zip the jacket up all the way. It also has back, shoulder and elbow pads that can be removed from the inside of the jack in pockets that have hook and loop fasteners to keep these pockets closed. The pads can be upgraded to their armor pads if desired. It also has two zippered pockets outside and one each zippered and snap close pocket on the inside. Inside it has a fully vented lining that helps keep a pocket of air around the inside of the jacket. It's very effective in doing this btw. The weight of the jacket isn't substantial. I don't know the specific weight but a friend has a Vanson perforated jacket and it's *heavy*. I'd say this jacket is about 50-75% of that weight. So it's not cheap windbreaker material. Sitting in traffic lights I've found that it's just as hot as any other jacket. No surprise there. However, once you get moving, even 5mph, the air flows straight through the front and sleeves and it actually feels like you've not wearing a jacket at all. Additionally, the pads are very light and almost unnoticeable from the outside and unless I'm really looking, can't even tell they're there. Summary: I like it. The jacket is well made, has double stitching throughout, plenty of pockets and looks good too. I think one may be hard pressed to find a jacket with so many features for that price. Not that it matters to me but I have no idea it's county of manufacture since there's no "Made in" tag that I can find. Sizes are generic and tend to run on the small side. I wear a size 42 jacket and ordered a Large (fits sizes 40-44). For references sake, the "Large", as measured from the *outside* of the jacket, has a 19" length measured from the armpit to the end of the sleeve and the width at the shoulders measured straight across the front of the jacket from shoulder tip to shoulder tip is 22". Some general things I *didn't* like: 1. The generic sizes. S, M, L, XL, XXL isn't descriptive enough. Unless you call them you'll have no idea what each size equates to. *Make sure you ask what the actual size is before ordering*. Past experience with jackets would of had me ordering a medium instead of a large. 2. The wrist has a zipper and snap. Like most jackets the zipper zips down along the inside of the forearm to tighten up the sleeve. However there is also a snap that closes the wrist cuff even more. A hook and loop fastener or even leaving that part out completely would of been better. If you have a fat wrist, this snap may not be wide enough for you and there's no way to adjust it. 3. I could not get a definitive explanation of the specific differences, besides price, between their discontinued Airflow and Airflow II. The Airflow is on clearance sale at their website, ($99), but the only available color is red. If that color isn't an issue with you, you could save lots of bucks on a jacket. Me wearing a red leather jacket on a Harley was just too "girly girl" for me. ;-) 4. I have no idea who made this jacket only who bought it and who's going to wear it. 8-P Ok..maybe I'm being nit picky..so shoot me. Of course, with all their products, it comes with a money back guarantee. But ask about their policy on this. I believe no tags can be removed. And if you *do* order, call them instead of ordering on-line. Past experience has shown it's faster by a day or so. cheers, -aki 01 FXDWG "01Dyna" _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MHjFZ4006739; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:45:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MHjElm006730; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:45:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SPAM...Car for sale...No Moto Content Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:44:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 17:44:07.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[60CC81F0:01C231A7] As the subject line reads, this is a shameless SPAM trying to sell my car. No moto-content here. Going in the paper this weekend. ACURA '01 3.2 CL Type S,a/t, Silver w/Blk Lthr, Garaged, All Power,6 CD,spoiler,roof, Dlr.Srvcd,1 owner,24k miles, $25,500/obo 301-540-7089 Feel free to email me off-list for more info. Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 now with new R/R! (ok, some moto) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MI5WZ4007029; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:05:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MI5VdS007024; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:05:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722180516.30685.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: '97 toyota tacoma for sale To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii great for hauling motorcycles: '97 toyota tacoma lx ~72k miles black w/ tan cloth interior 3.4l v6 a/c, p/w, p/l lx trim including alloys trailer hitch bedliner tint oil changed every 3000 miles good condition (some blemishes here and there, but it's a truck for christsake) dealership offered me $7800 as trade in.... but kelly puts value between $11k-13.5k all reasonable offers considered -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MIEkZ4007241; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:14:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MIEkMW007234; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:14:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Wynn, Brad" To: "DC Cycles List (E-mail)" Subject: Body work and painting.... Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:19:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" I know this has already been mentioned on the list previously but of course I didn't take note -- I'm looking for a local shop that can do a bit of body work and painting on an old European metal-bodied scooter. Any shop that has experience with motorcycle frames and custom painting should be fine. Anyone you can recommend? Much thanks! -Brad W _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MIjbZ4007579; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:45:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MIjacr007571; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:45:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722184534.4480.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:45:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: '97 toyota tacoma for sale To: Brian Ray Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020722182134.80628.qmail@web9405.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks, brian.... it is a 5spd extra cab 4wd my apologies for not remembering to include these important characteristics. it also has in-dash cd.... and the values previously quoted are from nada, not kelly --- Brian Ray wrote: > Tom - > > I'm assuming that since you did not mention it, it is > neither 4wd nor extra cab? Auto or 5-spd.? > > Thanks, > > Brian Ray > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > great for hauling motorcycles: > > > > '97 toyota tacoma lx > > ~72k miles > > black w/ tan cloth interior > > 3.4l v6 > > a/c, p/w, p/l > > lx trim including alloys > > trailer hitch > > bedliner > > tint > > > > oil changed every 3000 miles > > > > good condition (some blemishes here and there, but > > it's a > > truck for christsake) > > > > dealership offered me $7800 as trade in.... but > > kelly puts > > value between $11k-13.5k > > > > all reasonable offers considered __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MJM6Z4007964; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:22:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MJM525007952; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:22:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722192202.48919.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: '97 toyota tacoma for sale To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020722184534.4480.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and it has: cruise control trailer hitch w/ wiring 100k mile bumper-to-bumper factor warranty --- Tom Gimer wrote: > thanks, brian.... > > it is a 5spd > extra cab > 4wd > > my apologies for not remembering to include these > important > characteristics. it also has in-dash cd.... and the > values > previously quoted are from nada, not kelly __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MJfaZ4008205; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:41:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MJfZZs008200; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:41:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722194133.716.qmail@web11002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: 1999 SV 650 still for sale (lower price) To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii $3300 It is blue with about 6500 miles. Been lowered through a combination of shorter dogbones, forks lowered, and seat. Approximatly three inches low. I have the origional bones and seat. The new seat is a sargent with matching blue piping. Also has ventura rack, heated grips, and auxilary power cord for standard cigarette lighter type plug. Mail me at trey_22206@XXXXXX or call me at 571-277-8498. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MJrYZ4008441; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:53:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MJrYmU008433; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:53:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:53:27 EDT Subject: Re: Who ya' gonna call? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/22/2002 8:45:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX writes: > If I made bikes, I'd want to advertise > how much HP my bikes were making. Sorry, but those days are long gone, too many safetycrats and lawyers out there. If you remind them that bike have power they will "need" to make some laws. Better to keep quiet, we know who has power and who does not. > Need fix-it advice for a belt-driven Harley: When my bike is stone > cold, as in the first start up after a good day or two in the garage, it > makes a squeaking noise. Squirrel needs feeding. Sorry, never give me one that easy. Wish I could help, it sounds interesting. (In the "may you live in interesting times" Chinese curse sort of way.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MJx9Z4008633; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:59:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MJx90W008627; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:59:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:58:58 EDT Subject: Re: wedding plans To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/22/2002 8:46:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gingerdc9@XXXXXX writes: > I think most of my guests thought they were at the wrong wedding when I > walked in wearing a very traditional dress and in a church with a HUGE > cross. LOL My wife and I were married in a big church wedding in a church that requires pre-marriage "counseling." When I was asked about the state of my faith I said "I believe what I believe with absolute certainty." He did not push the issue. That church did not fall down either, but it did wobble a bit. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MKOpZ4008937; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:24:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MKOoxK008932; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:24:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3C69FB.2E8F07A7@boo.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:24:27 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "members@XXXXXX" Subject: OT Goddard Family unemployment up to 100% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well that is not all true. I am between contracts, and my company and I don't know how long that will last. So I am on the hunt, Lisa and I are driving each other crazy, so one of us needs a job. Anything you have for either of us would be great, no job too small. Help me out or the next email you see from me might be bikes for sale, or room for rent needed. Basically I am a PC Windows Network Admin. - Senior level user support technician, if you would like a copy of my resume let me know. Thanks!! Jay _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MKoLZ4009221; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:50:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MKoLH4009214; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:50:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020722205019.5324.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:50:19 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: OT - Unix security gig in Carucao To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D3C69FB.2E8F07A7@boo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For 2 or 3 weeks starting under 2 weeks from now. All expenses paid. Need to be a competent Solaris admin with a fondness for security auditing and the detail that entails. Being an Oracle DBA would be an extra plus. Rate probably like $50/hr. Think of the Islands, the sand, the waves... Oh you thought you were going to leave the dark and musty confines of the computer room??? Think again!! *grin* Resumes to me please. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6MLVqZ4009759; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:31:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6MLVpOb009752; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:31:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:35:08 -0200 From: dan carr Subject: Alexandria City Ticket update To: DC-Cycles Message-id: <006001c231b6$e36e70f0$0200a8c0@theunit> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Just a heads up to anyone who may face a ticket in Alexandria in the future. A while back I asked for input on a ticket I got in a bogus speed trap and got some good advice but all courts are different it seems and doing a little research saved me thousands and insured (pun intended) future Moto bliss.What I did. Called the clerk and got a continuance over the phone which bought me another month. Showed on the next court date early and went to the clerk to tell them I would be asking the Judge for another continuance. (You are entitled two but second must be done by the Judge)It is important to go to the clerk because they will then put a note on it and you will be called in the first few minutes. In my case he did not ask why and just asked the officer when his next date was but it would be a good idea to have a reason ready. Showed on the third date and when called submitted/made a motion to request traffic school. They will then make you wait another hour or so and if you have not already done the school in the last three years, and did not do anything to piss off the cop ( Judge will ask if he/she has any objection), and have a reasonable point total they will dismiss the charge pending completion of the driving training program which can be completed on-line. Most of the people who did this method had retained a Lawyer but it is not necessary and the in the end made no difference other than maybe peace of mind.You also can omit the two continuances, I just did that in case I had to argue the case(less detail remembered by the officer) and convicted (more time to show on my insurance). Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6N0KIZ4011245; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:20:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6N0KHcD011228; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:20:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020722201828.029419d0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 20:20:13 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: One last bit on the archives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you tried them out today, you noticed no headers or 'next' buttons. Turns out my htdig config was hosed. I have fixed it, but it requires a re-indexing. By Tuesday morning, you should be able to search for the number of times 'Guns' and 'WD-40' were used in the same email. It takes a long time to index over 50,000 emails (since '95). Glad I upgraded the server ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6N18uZ4011836; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:08:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6N18uL3011829; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:08:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000901c231e5$a780c0a0$17389d40@s0023675517> From: "Gavin Ruddy" To: Subject: Rosslyn Parking Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:09:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Does anyone know of any motorcycle parking in Arlington near the Rosslyn metro? Thanks G Ruddy 2002 K1200RS Back to lurk mode _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6N2VEZ4012496; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:31:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6N2VEUI012488; Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:31:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: One last bit on the archives Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c231f1$14753460$c082c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020722201828.029419d0@mail.troutman.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Mike contributed If you tried them out today, you noticed no headers or 'next' buttons. Turns out my htdig config was hosed. I have fixed it, but it requires a re-indexing. By Tuesday morning, you should be able to search for the number of times 'Guns' and 'WD-40' were used in the same email. It takes a long time to index over 50,000 emails (since '95). Glad I upgraded the server ;-) [Dave] '95... In '95, I was but a DCC Lurker... Thanks for the hard work ! Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6N4OiZ4013394; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:24:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6N4OhZG013384; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:24:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020723042440.27078.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Rosslyn Parking To: Gavin Ruddy Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000901c231e5$a780c0a0$17389d40@s0023675517> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, right across the street from the main/south entrance. Behind the fruit/vegy man and his little cart is a 15ft wide walkway with 3 or 4 big U-posts intended originally for bicycles I reckon. Chain your bike to them. There have been bikes chained up for weeks without any trouble from the cops or anybody else. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6NEd3Z4017315; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:39:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6NEcxGB017297; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:38:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020723103754.00bcc310@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:39:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Fwd: Re: wedding plans Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >At 03:58 PM 7/22/2002 -0400, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > >>.... When I was asked about the state of my faith I >>said "I believe what I believe with absolute certainty." The Episcopalian church is one of those that that requires such counseling regardless of how long you've already been together. However, we're being married in Nancy's Mom's back yard, by a family friend, a semi-retired Episcopalian priest who's also a Citadel graduate and a fellow single malt drinker, so we've already set aside a bottle of Glenfarclas 25 for our "counseling" session a few days before the d\i\s\a\s\t\e\r\event. Since I'm a religious black hole, I may borrow your elegantly-crafted response above should the need arise -- hope you don't mind. 8;) -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6NFN1Z4017807; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:23:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6NFN0Ur017800; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:23:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: scooterfzr@XXXXXX Subject: My Webshots Photos Message-Id: <20020723152046.147302FAFC@p2.webshots.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Hey guys and gals, In case anyone is interested, here's the pics from my trip to Laguna. Enjoy. Scooter Laguna 2002 - Book 1 http://cards.webshots.com/cp-30253496-UlyD-album/44550305lkEtoj Laguna 2002 - Book 2 http://cards.webshots.com/cp-30253496-UlyD-album/44557574WruSqb Laguna 2002 - Book 3 http://cards.webshots.com/cp-30253496-UlyD-album/44560592zjKeAp _____________________________________ Put Incredible Photos On Your Desktop FREE ~ http://www.webshots.com/go?now _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6NG9SZ4018452; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:09:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6NG9R3q018432; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:09:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <023501c23263$ee96b340$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Andrew Selden" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: [urpans] UNCONFIRMED RUMOR: Amtrak CFO Quits Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:13:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 The key difference being the WorldCom and Enron fiascos burned willing (if extremely naive in some cases) participants, while the Amtrak fiasco squandered the public's money and thwarted the will of their elected representatives. Why should Amtrak executives be held to a lower standard? If anything they should be held to a higher standard. The ARC, GAO, DOT/IG etc., have been sniffing around and close to getting the "goods" on Amtrak's management for years, but always seemed to stop short. Maybe one day they'll get to complete the job given the resources and a sustained effort. BTW, have the FY01 books been closed, yet? If anything, Amtrak's auditors should get a gold star for doing their jobs and behaving like watchdogs, not lapdogs. Their refusal to certify Amtrak as a "going concern" became Voucher George's undoing. This is how independent auditing and transparency in business transactions is supposed to work. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Selden" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [urpans] UNCONFIRMED RUMOR: Amtrak CFO Quits > 1. Why does it take a major initiative from the CEO to get the engines washed and the toilets to flush? Do you imagine Richard Anderson (CEO of Northwest Airlines) spends HIS days trying in vain to get NWA employees to wash the airplanes and fix their toilets? > 2. To elaborate (if that is possible) on Gene's commentary: Note that the way Amtrak has kept its books in the last ten years or so IS EXACTLY THE SAME PRACTICE THAT WORLDCOM FOLLOWED--booking current operating costs as "capital" and amortizing them over the life of the assets instead of expensing them in the current year. It is possible that Amtrak has even still been using old ICC accounting rules that allow a railroad to book "capital" investments in track and structures as ASSETS and not even write them off at all until the asset is replaced or retired (i.e., never, in the case of most NEC infrastructure). Can you imagine American Airlines pulling a stunt like that on their hangers and the like? Can you spell "jail time"? > > ACS _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6NGbdZ4018823; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:37:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6NGbb2R018810; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:37:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020723163734.349.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Papa & Lisa Moving Days: 7/25-28 To: MARRC List , DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just a reminder that we'll be moving them into a new apartment this weekend. Friday night, I will be there with some Pizza and Beer. The apartment complex is in Crystal City, VA and it's called the Warwick House. The address is 1221 S. Eads. See you there, Steve Clark TightSqueezeRacing.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6NI6NZ4019596; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:06:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6NI6MUM019587; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:06:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:06:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Egads. Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, the papers are all signed, their bankers are happy, my bankers are wondering where all my money went, and I can now say that I've joined the ranks of home-moaners. Yikes. So I'm thinking house-warming party weekend after next; 4 August, perhaps. I'll have to check with SWMBO on that, but I think that weekend is clear. Anyone up for it? Fish. now i just need a bike for the garage _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6NIfpZ4020132; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:41:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6NIfokf020125; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:41:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B8FF@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:46:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain No one mentioned Mow Tow, AMA's service. Runs ~$25 additional. Have used it twice, both times during DC rush hour. Reasonably fast and completely satisfactory. Conlin commented, "Drop $8 on a small 12v compressor at Wal-Mart, break off the plastic housing, shove it in a ziploc bag and keep it under your seat or in your tankbag." Two snaps and an "amen" Or, you can wire the pump with a dipole trailer plug to it and plug it into your electrics plug. Or, buy a $2.00 lighter socket at Wally Mart, solder it to a dipole plug, hot glue a film cassette around it to yield a handy-dandy plug adapter for your electrics plug. Carl in Bethesda (wired) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6O0mjZ4022657; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:48:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6O0mj55022648; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:48:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3DF8FC.3040500@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:46:52 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" CC: Mark Kitchell , Lisa Goddard Subject: Bike Night reminder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder to everyone that this Sunday, July 28th is another Bike Night. This time at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD. 6-10pm. No reserved parking, but usually lots of space on the street right out front. All the details are on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OAGxZ4025961; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:16:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OAGvRm025949; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:16:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <009b01c232a3$61427ac0$13785b0c@dz7wc01> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: Cc: Subject: Kriss sale Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:47:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Louis, last week you heads-upped about the Kriss sale. Well, the timing couldn't have been more spot on for me as my K.. hdlt modulator lastgasped a few weeks ago. While I paused about the two-year-only life of the first one, it was a known quantity and the replacement sale price was tasty. So, after an immediate call to catch one in stock, it's up and modulating today. Thanks. Saved time, trouble, money. Bill S./DC '99 Vulcan 750 --> I feel like Rudolph again. Join the AMA. Help support my riding fun. [no original message -- alternate computer] _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OBqQZ4026523; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:52:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OBqPBs026515; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:52:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: "'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: vroom vroom Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:52:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" "German bikes have problems too" ahem... new German bikes. The old technology had surge probs, but with CV's sans pinholes in the diaphragm (I hate that) surging was not a prob.... raw HP was. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ODhiZ4027431; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:43:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ODhio7027423; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:43:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.1fa0b7e2.2a70090b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:43:39 EDT Subject: Re: vroom vroom To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/24/2002 7:52:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, GBruhl@XXXXXX writes: > The old technology had surge probs, but with > CV's sans pinholes in the diaphragm (I hate that) surging was not a > prob.... raw HP was. > And the old ones (BMW) came with a written guarantee that the rear wheel splines would wear out no matter how much you lubricated them. And when they "fixed" that problem, by bolting on the wheel, they went to a dry driveshaft and started wearing those splines out (I know someone who at last report was on his 5th or 6th driveshaft. And HE worked at a dealership.) There are NO perfect bikes. Anyhow with the throttle full on my R80 did not surge ahead, it moseyed. P.S. Did you know that you could make a temporary fix to BMW diaphragms with a Mylar/plastic shopping bag? BTDT. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OEdeZ4028054; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:39:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OEdcLm028035; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:39:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:46:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <3ksljucdos1k1db2tj7sknfipfr7o4mjbt@4ax.com> <3D3B022B.786FF59B@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3D3B022B.786FF59B@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6OEdbZ4028023 oops :) forgot about that. one more reason i don't want one :) On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 14:49:15 -0400, you wrote: |>Great idea, Danny -- unless your bike tires have tubes, and most bikes with spoked |>wheels have tubes. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OEgEZ4028226; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:42:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OEgDY3028217; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:42:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Danny MotorPsychoL To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: who do you call in DC if you have a flat? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:49:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20020722133049.68722.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020722133049.68722.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6OEgCZ4028205 Star motor sports 301-613-1774 (24 hours also) On Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:30:49 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>independent m/c transport (24 hours) |>301 946-5412 |> |>--- Tim Spong wrote: |>> Just wondering who you guys use if you have a flat so I |>> can program it in to |>> my cell phone. BTW I have a harley and they don't even |>> have a center stand, |>> so fixing it myself at the side of the road isn't really |>> an option. |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better |>http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OGtHZ4029467; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:55:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OGt8E8029451; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:55:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Labelling Units of Torque Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:54:56 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 28 2002) Message-Id: <20020724165456.RCBG12658.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> I was reading a couple of technical articles in a moto mag the other day and noticed something which puzzled me. The articles labelled Torque Units in lbs/ft. Thinking back to my college physics courses, I remember that the proper unit labelling should be ft-lbs (or N-m). "Foot Pounds" not "Pounds per Foot" which would be a measurement of pressure. At first I was thinking it was a simple typo, but then I saw the same "typo" in several different articles. Am I wrong? What gives here? -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OHB0Z4029741; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:11:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OHAxgV029737; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:10:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYDeaWpj7h30h3zqAUn3BEBl0bMg3E/tM7/URJOJ9LTmGuhQM6cgp5xQizGv/zCixk= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: FW: Labelling Units of Torque Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:11:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c23335$19133e50$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal Since torque is length times force, it's foot-lbs...that's not a minus sign but a dash that is somehow signifying multiplication. In other words 5 lbs of force applied to a 2 foot long wrench applies 10 ft-lbs of torque. --jon -----Original Message----- From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX [mailto:purdyjeremy@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Labelling Units of Torque I was reading a couple of technical articles in a moto mag the other day and noticed something which puzzled me. The articles labelled Torque Units in lbs/ft. Thinking back to my college physics courses, I remember that the proper unit labelling should be ft-lbs (or N-m). "Foot Pounds" not "Pounds per Foot" which would be a measurement of pressure. At first I was thinking it was a simple typo, but then I saw the same "typo" in several different articles. Am I wrong? What gives here? -- Jeremy Purdy '00 Yamaha V-Star _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OHUUZ4030011; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:30:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OHUT89030005; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:30:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020724173027.18139.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Portrait of an Accident To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20020722142008.95911.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Here is an update on Scott's condition from his girlfriend.... Mark At the computer lab at UVA Health Sciences Library - attached to the UVA Medical Center. It's been a long couple days, gang. Stabilizing him still due to lungs. He's apparently not breathing well enough for surgery. The internal bleeding (which seems to be totally under control thanks to some medication), broken ribs and collarbone seem to be the obvious cause for shallow breathing along with immobility/bedridden issues (possible build up of liquid in the lungs and chance of pneumonia so I'm told). CAT scans still aren't up to par to remove neck brace. Looking pretty black and blue at this point - back of head, neck, shoulder. Surgery still planned for FRI. All the rest you've heard is on target RE: injuries. Again, I can't thank enough the guys who were there that day - Chris and Steve - the EMTs extraordinaire, Buddy and Chris for hanging out for the police and wrecker and taking care of all that for me. I would have been so lost on my own. Patrick for keeping his cool and answering all the same questions over and over again at the site. Mark just showed up and took the photos for us and hung out until the rescue squad took Scott away. The guy from WV with the medical gear and O2 tank - amazing. Steve stayed with me all night SUN - no matter how hard I tried to get rid of him - and biked with me as far as Warrenton on MON. He didn't have to...still pretty speechless over his generosity. He put up with me and my constant chatter for a good 24 hours. Buddy, Chris and Patrick would say that's a feat in and of itself. Scott remembers briefly seeing cars ahead in the near distance. That's it. As Soulrider (Jay) said when he crashed - thank goodness for leathers. Wearing a good helmet is not so dumb either. And, everyone, please think twice about pushing your personal limits/skill set on terrain unknown to you. Ride your ride. We were having such a great day... This place is supposed to be one of the best. I'm hoping FRI will be routine. He could be in such worse shape. I can only think it wasn't his time - some shitty life experience though. He's come out wiggling toes, rotating ankles, and bending knees - we're pretty happy about that given the nature of the injuries to the spine/back. Anyway, thank you for your kind thoughts and well wishing. Great group of people we've got around us. Thank you. I'm sure Scott, sporting his turtle suit they say he gets, will be up for a couple cold brewskies. Nurses aren't buying in to the benefits of beer ice cubes. Caroline --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hey, > > I just got back from a wonderful weekend camping at > Lake Moomaw, near Warm Springs, Va. Delphine and I > left DC at 6AM Saturday morning and went via 211 too > 33 to 28 to 94 to 39. What great great great roads. > > The lake was perfect as we had a very private > camping > spot right near the Lake, which was WARM. > > The ride back to DC yesterday was a little rushed > but > great nonetheless. Instead of taking 39 back into > Wva, we went to Warm Springs, the took 220 up to > Franklin, and 33 back (then 211 again, I tell you > 211 > is boring after West Va!!). > > Unfortunately, we did come accross a serious > accident > of a local rider. I will post his name here (Scott > Atcheson (sp?)) only because some of you may know > him. > The details are at the link which follows, but it > looks like he is going to be ok. If I get more news > from his girlfriend I will post it ASAP. > > Details of the accident and photos can be found > here: > > http://www.89infdivww2.org/house/moto.htm > > Mark > > > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OIMZZ4030611; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:22:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OIMXqJ030598; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:22:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:18:34 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder Message-ID: <2D937AE7.74F24845.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was wondering if anyone is going? I don't mind going as long as it doesn't rain. -Mark In a message dated Tue, 23 Jul 2002 7:46:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > Just a reminder to everyone that this Sunday, July 28th is another Bike > Night. This time at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD. 6-10pm. No reserved > parking, but usually lots of space on the street right out front. All > the details are on the website > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. > > Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OIepZ4031007; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:40:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OIeoup030998; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:40:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: STmaven@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder In-Reply-To: <2D937AE7.74F24845.001912B6@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mark, I was thinking about going. Where are you leaving from(I have no idea how to get there)? Dan On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > I was wondering if anyone is going? I don't mind going as long as it doesn't rain. > > -Mark > > In a message dated Tue, 23 Jul 2002 7:46:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > Just a reminder to everyone that this Sunday, July 28th is another Bike > > Night. This time at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD. 6-10pm. No reserved > > parking, but usually lots of space on the street right out front. All > > the details are on the website > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. > > > > Chuck > > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OItQZ4031390; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:55:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OItQOr031382; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:55:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DDF106F2@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: OT!!: FS: 1999 VFR800 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:55:17 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) I wanted to post this one more time before I put it in the paper/cycle trader: 1999 VFR800 15800 miles Helibars, Sargent Seat, Micron Slip-on, Marsee tank bag, Givi Wingrack2 with E460 topcase, Zero Gravity Sport-Tour screen I have the original seat, exhaust and wind screen. Bike has a new BT-020 rear, and BT-010 front. Email me for more details -- $6500 for everything OR BEST OFFER!! Brian _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OLJmZ4008986; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:19:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OLJlTO008978; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:19:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020724171652.034320a0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:20:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: DC parking regs? In-Reply-To: <146.10e8799a.2a545577@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed One of DC's semi-literate ticket writers left me a pink slip today for "Failing to Park Long Side to Curb!" In other words, I parked at an angle with my back wheel to the curb, and my front wheel well within the parking space. I must have parked at an angle to the curb in DC a 1000 times without getting a ticket. And I seem to recall someone posting a reference to DC parking regs specifically referring to angled parking for motorcycles. If anyone knows of an online reference to DC parking regs, or can cite the reg I'm thinking of, I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks, Bob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OLhxZ4009299; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:43:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OLhxIk009294; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:43:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020724214337.17488.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Can a FL "non-rebuildable" bike be titled here? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And done so for street use? Has anybody tried? Would the DMV be amenable to giving it a full title if I have a mechanic affirm that it's all good to go and the Highway Patrol also signs off on it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OMYxZ4009722; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:34:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OMYuAe009703; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:34:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020724223448.28244.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Egads. To: Fish Flowers , DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii we'll have to pull the bylaws to verify this, but i believe dc-cycles members are prohibited from attending parties held by non-motorcycleowners.... sorry --- Fish Flowers wrote: > Well, the papers are all signed, their bankers are happy, > my bankers are > wondering where all my money went, and I can now say that > I've joined the > ranks of home-moaners. Yikes. > > So I'm thinking house-warming party weekend after next; 4 > August, > perhaps. I'll have to check with SWMBO on that, but I > think that weekend > is clear. Anyone up for it? > > Fish. > now i just need a bike for the garage > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6OMkMZ4009930; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:46:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6OMkMOk009925; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:46:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020724183110.00b42e30@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:47:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: FW: Labelling Units of Torque In-Reply-To: <002c01c23335$19133e50$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "Torque : Torque = Force x Moment Arm (i.e., Force x Distance). The product of a force and its perpendicular distance from a point about which it causes rotation or torsion. The unit of torque is the newton metre, a vector product. (English units of torque are pound-inches or pound-feet; the SI unit is the Newton-meter.)" Although torque is formally specified in lb.-ft, rather than the other way round, but it really doesn't matter -- everyone knows what is meant either way, and it's a simple product. -- Larry At 01:11 PM 7/24/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >Since torque is length times force, it's foot-lbs...that's not a minus sign >but a dash that is somehow signifying multiplication. In other words 5 lbs >of force applied to a 2 foot long wrench applies 10 ft-lbs of torque. > >--jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: purdyjeremy@XXXXXX [mailto:purdyjeremy@XXXXXX] >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:55 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Labelling Units of Torque > > >I was reading a couple of technical articles in a moto >mag the other day and noticed something which puzzled me. > >The articles labelled Torque Units in lbs/ft. Thinking >back to my college physics courses, I remember that the >proper unit labelling should be ft-lbs (or N-m). "Foot >Pounds" not "Pounds per Foot" which would be a >measurement of pressure. > >At first I was thinking it was a simple typo, but then I >saw the same "typo" in several different articles. Am I >wrong? What gives here? > >-- >Jeremy Purdy >'00 Yamaha V-Star _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6P0AdZ4010936; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:10:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6P0AcXS010923; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:10:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:10:31 -0400 From: Doc PC X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Personal Reply-To: Doc PC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <711887914.20020724201031@primushost.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Can a FL "non-rebuildable" bike be titled here? In-Reply-To: <20020724214337.17488.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020724214337.17488.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wednesday, July 24, 2002, 5:43:37 PM, matthew patton wrote: mp> And done so for street use? Has anybody tried? Would the DMV be mp> amenable to giving it a full title if I have a mechanic affirm that mp> it's all good to go and the Highway Patrol also signs off on it? I've titled two older bikes through International Title in Nevada. Got the necessary paperwork back within two weeks. They can only title 1987 and older however. Doc <1984 FXR, 1973 XLCH in basket> -- SCRC Virginia State Officer Loudoun County, VA Chapter 156, Southern Cruisers Riding Club #156148 http://www.southerncruisers.net Southern Cruisers, National http://www.geocities.com/scruisers_loudoun/ Chapter 156, VA Website http://www.docsharleypages.com Doc's Harley Pages _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6P2WrZ4011788; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:32:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6P2WnqE011777; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:32:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'matthew patton'" , Subject: RE: Can a FL "non-rebuildable" bike be titled here? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:39:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c2338c$eb753400$173586ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20020724214337.17488.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-Apparently-From: Rodgersmp@XXXXXX http://www.copart.com/ref/title.htm That web site has the title codes for all states; many allow you to follow an inspection and re-application process that ends up with either a clean title or a legal title allowing you to register the bike but a notation that it was formerly salvaged. Best to check with the state to get all the regulations. I know someone who did this in Massachusettes; they had an inspection with the State Police, Department of Public Works, DMV and I think also their insurance company. Florida, Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma are "notorious" for scams involving salvage titles or for retitling cars/bikes in an attempt to drop the salvage notation (move it across state lines enough times and someone at DMV won't bother looking up their state's equivalent of the salvage code... buyer ends up thinking they are getting a decent car/bike but are in for a surprise). A lot of these vehicles are salvaged due to flood damage--- seems like one of those states or another is under water at any given time. Flood damage can cause some pretty nasty damage, especially in the engine (messed-up gaskets and such) and electrical departments, and a lot of it is hidden. I personally would be wary of a salvage anything from one of those states; I would try to have a good and trusted mechanic check it out first. It would really suck to spend a pile of money on a bike and not be able to get it past the reinspection without throwing another pile of money at it. If you want to read more about the whole salvage title-to-clean title process, check out http://www.smartcarguide.com. While it is written for cars, alot of it still apply to bikes. Some very good tips and tricks for anyone in the market for a used bike or car. Cheers, Patti -----Original Message----- From: matthew patton [mailto:pattonme@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Can a FL "non-rebuildable" bike be titled here? And done so for street use? Has anybody tried? Would the DMV be amenable to giving it a full title if I have a mechanic affirm that it's all good to go and the Highway Patrol also signs off on it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6P9HZZ4014299; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:17:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6P9HXeU014290; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:17:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002901c233bc$ac2c5550$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Fw: Fallen Biker hit-and-run-victim Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:21:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "DON BRIGGS" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: Fallen Biker hit-and-run-victim > FALLEN BIKER > > VICTIM OF A HIT AND RUN ACCIDENT IN DC > > > A hit-and-run driver in DC struck my son-in-law, Tommis Carpenter, on 7/4/02 > at 4:30am in the morning. He was on his way to work at National Public > Radio Station. > > He was thrown off his Harley and traveled through the air and bouncing on > the ground more than 50 feet. > > He broke all his ribs on the left side of his chest, punctured his left > lung, ruptured his spleen, broke his left shoulder in several places, and > had major trauma to his head. His vision has also been impaired because of > the hit-and-run accident. He was unconscious and on a ventilator at George > Washington University Hospital for several days. When he woke he had lost > most of his immediate and short-term memory. > > This accident should never have happened. He may never be able to go back > to his job. The hit-and-run driver has not been arrested to this date. > > Tom would certainly appreciate any cards or letters of encouragement. He > has a tough road ahead of him. He will face long-term therapy to regain his > short-term memory, shoulder surgery, and voice therapy. There is also major > concern about his blurred vision. > > Mailing information: > > Tommis Carpenter > 5515 Feagaville Lane > Frederick, MD 21703. > > Please feel free to call me for details of > this hit-and-run accident at 301-831-9361. > > May I forward some of the fliers with his picture to be circulated? > > Thanks so much for caring about a fallen biker. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Don Briggs > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PCNKZ4015398; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:23:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PCNItc015379; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:23:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D3FEF07.D4C75A5C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:28:55 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Pre-ad * HD Dyna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I say pre-ad because I'm in the process of fetching the bike and title, details to follow, but I do know this: Methinks the year is `97 or `98, Dyna (superglide?). Blue in color. The bike is owned by an older gentleman (older than me and that's old!). Factory stock, no engine mods. Milage, more than 30K. Charlie had never seen America save for the NE coast, so he bought the bike new, tuned up with an MSF course and a few putts to West Virginia, and then went to the west coast -- twice! Southern route than northern route to CA. All service including oil changes done on schedule at the dealer. Acces: A windshield which Charlie never used - "It ain't like riding a blike without the wind in your face." Sissy bar, leather saddlebags with proper HD mounts, tool bag, and maybe he'll toss in the T-bag. He's asking $10,500. Soon as I get off my butt and fetch the bike from So MD it will be available for viewing at my garage in Annandale VA. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PCdAZ4015629; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:39:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PCdATw015624; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 07:39:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Egads. In-Reply-To: <20020724223448.28244.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > i believe dc-cycles members are prohibited from attending parties held > by non-motorcycleowners.... sorry Oh. Guess I'll have to get a bike before the party, then. Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PCqvZ4015981; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:52:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PCqvcP015977; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:52:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725125255.53702.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 05:52:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pre-ad * HD Dyna To: "William J. Huson" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3D3FEF07.D4C75A5C@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii bill: tell mr. spencer i saw your post and that this is unacceptable unless he's replacing it with another. --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > I say pre-ad because I'm in the process of fetching the > bike and title, > details to follow, but I do know this: > > Methinks the year is `97 or `98, Dyna (superglide?). > Blue in color. > The bike is owned by an older gentleman (older than me > and that's > old!). Factory stock, no engine mods. Milage, more than > 30K. Charlie > had never seen America save for the NE coast, so he > bought the bike new, > tuned up with an MSF course and a few putts to West > Virginia, and then > went to the west coast -- twice! Southern route than > northern route to > CA. All service including oil changes done on schedule > at the dealer. > > Acces: A windshield which Charlie never used - "It ain't > like riding a > blike without the wind in your face." Sissy bar, leather > saddlebags > with proper HD mounts, tool bag, and maybe he'll toss in > the T-bag. > > He's asking $10,500. Soon as I get off my butt and fetch > the bike from > So MD it will be available for viewing at my garage in > Annandale VA. > > Bill > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PDKuZ4016319; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:20:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PDKtv2016314; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:20:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <006801c233de$be369680$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" , "Larry Larson" References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020724183110.00b42e30@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: FW: Labelling Units of Torque Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:25:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Actually the English unit equivalent to the SI Newton-meter is "pound of force - foot." Newton is a unit of force (F=ma), while the kilogram (like the pound) is a unit of mass. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" > "Torque : Torque = Force x Moment Arm (i.e., Force x Distance). The product > of a force and its perpendicular distance from a point about which it > causes rotation or torsion. The unit of torque is the newton metre, a > vector product. (English units of torque are pound-inches or pound-feet; > the SI unit is the Newton-meter.)" > > Although torque is formally specified in lb.-ft, rather than the other way > round, but it really doesn't matter -- everyone knows what is meant either > way, and it's a simple product. > > -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PDuZZ4016689; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:56:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PDuYss016681; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 09:56:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4004E5.6A1C891F@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:02:13 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: Pre-ad * HD Dyna References: <20020725125255.53702.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think not. He had his fun and has the memories of two trips west and tales to tell. Might be the too many toys syndrome (is that possible?). He has a new Mustang and last month I rescued his boat from So MD and he has it in a slip ready for turnkey fishing & cruising. Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > bill: > tell mr. spencer i saw your post and that this is > unacceptable unless he's replacing it with another. > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > I say pre-ad because I'm in the process of fetching the > > bike and title, > > details to follow, but I do know this: > > > > Methinks the year is `97 or `98, Dyna (superglide?). > > Blue in color. > > The bike is owned by an older gentleman (older than me > > and that's > > old!). Factory stock, no engine mods. Milage, more than > > 30K. Charlie > > had never seen America save for the NE coast, so he > > bought the bike new, > > tuned up with an MSF course and a few putts to West > > Virginia, and then > > went to the west coast -- twice! Southern route than > > northern route to > > CA. All service including oil changes done on schedule > > at the dealer. > > > > Acces: A windshield which Charlie never used - "It ain't > > like riding a > > blike without the wind in your face." Sissy bar, leather > > saddlebags > > with proper HD mounts, tool bag, and maybe he'll toss in > > the T-bag. > > > > He's asking $10,500. Soon as I get off my butt and fetch > > the bike from > > So MD it will be available for viewing at my garage in > > Annandale VA. > > > > Bill > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PEqpZ4017222; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:52:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PEqoug017217; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:52:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B91A@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Track take-offs on E-bay Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:57:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Patrick Mullen (on SabMag) volunteered: "I sold used tires on eBay that still have the center mold line --" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1835361653&ed= 1024175102&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:US:2 Oh, that's right... At Sears Point you're never actually on the center of the tire. :) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PF0wZ4017427; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:00:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PF0vLf017420; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:00:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:00:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rented a Harley Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This weekend is my wedding anniversary and the wife and I are going to a BnB in Mount Joy, PA (near Lancaster). I thought it was be nice to cruise up on the bike, but she's not very comfortable on my Hayabusa. I rented a Heritage Softail from Frederick HD for the weekend. It's got a windscreen and bags, which should work well for our 2-3 days of use. I tried to get a Road King, but they were all taken. I've never ridden a cruiser, but I assume given their weight and laid back seating, they handle well in poor weather conditions(?). They're calling for scattered showers all weekend. Any of you Harley guys know if the standard leather saddlebags will stay dry inside during light showers? -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PF6ZZ4017638; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:06:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PF6Yoh017632; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:06:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020725110459.021cd578@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:06:27 -0400 To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Rented a Harley In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:00 AM 7/25/2002 -0700, Wayne Edelen wrote: >This weekend is my wedding anniversary and the wife and I are going to a >BnB in Mount Joy, PA (near Lancaster). I thought it was be nice to cruise >up on the bike, but she's not very comfortable on my Hayabusa. > >I rented a Heritage Softail from Frederick HD for the weekend. It's got a >windscreen and bags, which should work well for our 2-3 days of >use. I tried to get a Road King, but they were all taken. > >I've never ridden a cruiser, but I assume given their weight and laid back >seating, they handle well in poor weather conditions(?). They're calling >for scattered showers all weekend. Any of you Harley guys know if the >standard leather saddlebags will stay dry inside during light showers? > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I think you'll do fine on the Heritage, however I would suggest you put your stuff in a garbage bag and tie wrap it before putting in the saddlebags. They can probably handle light rain but a good downpour will probably soak whatever's in them. -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PFISZ4017863; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:18:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PFIRcY017858; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:18:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:19:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Rented a Harley To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3D40170E.72533E06@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: Wayne Edelen wrote: > Any of you Harley guys know if the > standard leather saddlebags will stay dry inside during light showers? Try packing your stuff in garbage bags, then place inside the saddlebags, just in case? Sounds like fun, enjoy. Horkster -- Mandatory Second Line (Chatty Moron Trademark) Dale Horstman - horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PFOlZ4018053; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:24:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PFOlw2018048; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:24:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:24:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020725110459.021cd578@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Aki Damme wrote: > I think you'll do fine on the Heritage, however I would suggest you put > your stuff in a garbage bag and tie wrap it before putting in the saddlebags. > They can probably handle light rain but a good downpour will probably soak > whatever's > in them. > > -aki Aki and Dale, thanks for the suggestion on the trash bags. I'll be sure to do that. -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PFPQZ4018139; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:25:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PFPPIN018134; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:25:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725152522.74934.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Rented a Harley To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii why chance it when a few trash bags will handle this duty? --- Wayne Edelen wrote: > I've never ridden a cruiser, but I assume given their > weight and laid back > seating, they handle well in poor weather conditions(?). > They're calling > for scattered showers all weekend. Any of you Harley > guys know if the > standard leather saddlebags will stay dry inside during > light showers? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PFZ4Z4018833; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:35:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PFZ4Hu018828; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:35:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:33:39 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02072511333918.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 25 July 2002 11:00, Wayne Edelen wrote: > This weekend is my wedding anniversary and the wife and I are going to a > BnB in Mount Joy, PA (near Lancaster). I thought it was be nice to cruise > up on the bike, but she's not very comfortable on my Hayabusa. > What do you mean not comfortable? My wife has some lower back problems from giving birth to her daughter and a heavy lifting accident with her first husband. Because of that and because she's on the short side, she didn't like the ride on the back of the FLSTC. She whipped up a soft cushion which made the ride more comfortable but couldn't overcome the shortness problem :-) > I rented a Heritage Softail from Frederick HD for the weekend. It's got a > windscreen and bags, which should work well for our 2-3 days of > use. I tried to get a Road King, but they were all taken. > My only issue with the Road King is that they don't come with a sissy bar. The passenger wouldn't have anything to lean on. > I've never ridden a cruiser, but I assume given their weight and laid back > seating, they handle well in poor weather conditions(?). They're calling > for scattered showers all weekend. Any of you Harley guys know if the > standard leather saddlebags will stay dry inside during light showers? > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ I'd driven mine in some fairly heavy rains and didn't notice any problems. I didn't have any problems with wet stuff in my bags for the 35 minute ride to work in the rain but I'd follow the advise of others and use garbage bags. Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PFx3Z4019336; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:59:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PFx3Jr019332; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:59:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725155901.96346.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Roebling Road this weekend anyone? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Any racers going down for (I think) WERA? Can I have you take a set of wheels down with you for a guy down there? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PH3fZ4020206; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:03:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PH3btN020190; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:03:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725130148.035593d0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:06:01 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Bike stolen, Laurel area In-Reply-To: <20020725155901.96346.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My friend had his ZX-7R stolen from outside his townhome in the Laurel area. According to the witness (who did NOT call the police, nor do anything about it) it was a large black man in a conversion van. Pic of the bike: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hiken/Pics/Vehicles/Zx7-LeftAngle2.jpg if you see this bike, or have info PLEASE email Jeff at: hiken@XXXXXX This is the SECOND bike in 3 months he's had stolen- his TT600 was stolen just 3 months ago.. THANKS Lori _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PHD6Z4020404; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:13:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PHD5tl020398; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:13:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725171303.71420.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:13:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Pre-ad * HD Dyna To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" In-Reply-To: <3D4004E5.6A1C891F@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > I think not. He had his fun and has the memories of two > trips west and > tales to tell. Might be the too many toys syndrome (is > that > possible?). He has a new Mustang and last month I > rescued his boat from > So MD and he has it in a slip ready for turnkey fishing & > cruising. i'd still like you to forward my message to him.... a little pressure might be all that is needed to keep him in the sport. as for the west coast trips, i'm jealous as hell. it's things like charlies' stories of his trips that caused me to go into business for myself.... > Tom Gimer wrote: > > > bill: > > tell mr. spencer i saw your post and that this is > > unacceptable unless he's replacing it with another. > > > > --- "William J. Huson" wrote: > > > I say pre-ad because I'm in the process of fetching > the > > > bike and title, > > > details to follow, but I do know this: > > > > > > Methinks the year is `97 or `98, Dyna (superglide?). > > > Blue in color. > > > The bike is owned by an older gentleman (older than > me > > > and that's > > > old!). Factory stock, no engine mods. Milage, more > than > > > 30K. Charlie > > > had never seen America save for the NE coast, so he > > > bought the bike new, > > > tuned up with an MSF course and a few putts to West > > > Virginia, and then > > > went to the west coast -- twice! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PHQmZ4020654; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:26:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PHQmb1020647; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:26:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:26:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley In-Reply-To: <02072511333918.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > On Thursday 25 July 2002 11:00, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > This weekend is my wedding anniversary and the wife and I are going to a > > BnB in Mount Joy, PA (near Lancaster). I thought it was be nice to cruise > > up on the bike, but she's not very comfortable on my Hayabusa. > > > > What do you mean not comfortable? She doesn't like the forward slant to the stock seat (Corbin should fix that) and the position of the passenger pegs. She's fine cruising around town and short rides, but a weekend away would get tiring for her. > My wife has some lower back problems from giving birth to her daughter and a > heavy lifting accident with her first husband. Because of that and because > she's on the short side, she didn't like the ride on the back of the FLSTC. > She whipped up a soft cushion which made the ride more comfortable but > couldn't overcome the shortness problem :-) My wife is 5'3", how tall is your wife? > My only issue with the Road King is that they don't come with a sissy bar. > The passenger wouldn't have anything to lean on. The ones in the rental fleet have backrests. > I'd driven mine in some fairly heavy rains and didn't notice any problems. I > didn't have any problems with wet stuff in my bags for the 35 minute ride to > work in the rain but I'd follow the advise of others and use garbage bags. > > Carl Thanks! -- Wayne _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PHXmZ4020860; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:33:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PHXlqd020855; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:33:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Wayne Edelen , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:32:29 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207251332291A.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 25 July 2002 13:26, Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > On Thursday 25 July 2002 11:00, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > > This weekend is my wedding anniversary and the wife and I are going to > > > a BnB in Mount Joy, PA (near Lancaster). I thought it was be nice to > > > cruise up on the bike, but she's not very comfortable on my Hayabusa. > > > > What do you mean not comfortable? > > She doesn't like the forward slant to the stock seat (Corbin should fix > that) and the position of the passenger pegs. She's fine cruising around > town and short rides, but a weekend away would get tiring for her. > I think that as long as it's not something aggravated by vibration (not that there's a lot, but you are over the wheel) it shouldn't be a problem. We did the run to New York last November and a run down Skyline -> West VA -> Home without that much of a complaint. > > She whipped up a soft cushion which made the ride more > > comfortable but couldn't overcome the shortness problem :-) > > My wife is 5'3", how tall is your wife? I'd say about the same. She's a little over a head shorter than I am and I'm 6'2" > Thanks! > > -- Wayne HTH Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PHd5Z4021071; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PHd5WH021065; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:39:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Keith Code Superbike School? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR in Sept. I'll use their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. Anyone on the list taken the course? I'm not a knee-dragger, but I enjoy the twisties and would like to improve my riding skills and explore the limits of a sportbike on the track without fear of hurting my precious ;-) Busa :-) It's $595 for the day to use their bike. Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PHfmZ4021374; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:41:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PHfmgf021368; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:41:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4039B0.2BF027BE@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:47:28 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > This weekend is my wedding anniversary and the wife and I are going to a > BnB in Mount Joy, PA (near Lancaster). I thought it was be nice to cruise > up on the bike, but she's not very comfortable on my Hayabusa. She might be shy, and she might know that the sportbike posture of the pillion rider gives other drivers a rather enticing view of her butt. > I rented a Heritage Softail from Frederick HD for the weekend. It's got a > windscreen and bags, which should work well for our 2-3 days of > use. I tried to get a Road King, but they were all taken. Softails are cool, and easy on that soft tail! > I've never ridden a cruiser, but I assume given their weight and laid back > seating, they handle well in poor weather conditions(?). They're calling > for scattered showers all weekend. Any of you Harley guys know if the > standard leather saddlebags will stay dry inside during light showers? Can't pilot it like the Hayabusa. Go easy on the quick lane changes and swerves, built for cruuuussssin', not for racin'. The saddlebags might be hard bags shelled in leather for that classic look. If so the inside should stay dry unless you park it underwater. But plastic bags are still a good idea. No need to sort thru the saddlebag for your stuff, just grab the sacks and haul butt into the B&B. Hmm, I seem to have butt/tail on the mind ... oh, right, it *is* your anniversary. Have fun! Keep your helmet on in case you have so much fun you fall outta bed :-) Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PHnGZ4021578; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:49:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PHnFaO021573; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:49:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:49:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley In-Reply-To: <3D4039B0.2BF027BE@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > She might be shy, and she might know that the sportbike posture of the pillion > rider gives other drivers a rather enticing view of her butt. So that's why all you Harley guys don't mind riding behind the sportbikes ;-) > Softails are cool, and easy on that soft tail! Seemed like a nice scoot. Definately going to be weird with floorboards and a heel/toe shifter :-) > Can't pilot it like the Hayabusa. Go easy on the quick lane changes and > swerves, built for cruuuussssin', not for racin'. The saddlebags might be Thanks. Yeah, I'm well aware that I won't be doing anything more than just cruissssssin' along :-) > hard bags shelled in leather for that classic look. If so the inside should > stay dry unless you park it underwater. But plastic bags are still a good > idea. No need to sort thru the saddlebag for your stuff, just grab the sacks > and haul butt into the B&B. They are the hard leather bags. > Hmm, I seem to have butt/tail on the mind ... oh, right, it *is* your > anniversary. Have fun! Keep your helmet on in case you have so much fun you > fall outta bed :-) HA! Thanks, Bill :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PISbZ4022048; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:28:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PISaF9022040; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:28:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:27:24 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207251427241B.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Thursday 25 July 2002 13:49, Wayne Edelen wrote: > > Softails are cool, and easy on that soft tail! > > Seemed like a nice scoot. Definately going to be weird with floorboards > and a heel/toe shifter :-) Even though I had a heel/toe shifter, I didn't use it much. Too used to just the single shifter from all the previous bikes. And with the FXSTI I have now, I don't miss the heel part at all. Old Dogs, New Tricks, and all that. Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PIXtZ4022365; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:33:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PIXtV4022360; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:33:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020725143216.021fe570@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:33:47 -0400 To: Lori Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Bike stolen, Laurel area In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725130148.035593d0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> References: <20020725155901.96346.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:06 PM 7/25/2002 -0700, Lori Wilson wrote: >My friend had his ZX-7R stolen from outside his townhome in the Laurel >area. According to the witness (who did NOT call the police, nor do >anything about it) it was a large black man in a conversion van. Pic of >the bike: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hiken/Pics/Vehicles/Zx7-LeftAngle2.jpg > >if you see this bike, or have info PLEASE email Jeff at: hiken@XXXXXX > >This is the SECOND bike in 3 months he's had stolen- his TT600 was stolen >just 3 months ago.. >THANKS >Lori aw CRAP I *hate* hearing shit like this. You betcha I'll keep an eye out. And a warm wet kiss from my pit bull Max to the witness that didn't do anything about it. sheesh.. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PIZsZ4022542; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:35:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PIZsV6022537; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:35:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "rdrdr" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: An update from across the Atlantic (and the Med too) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:34:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Dear friends, how I miss you! I've left in March, traveled to Australia then home - to Israel. On Tuesday I finally completed my arrival here with my return to motorcycling. I purchased a 92' Suzuki VX800. Damn bikes are expensive as hell here but living in Tel-Aviv with a car (which are about as expensive as hell as bikes) is rather annoying. Not only is parking scarce and traffic jams not - these things have 4 wheels AND a spare for crying out loud! Anyway, this bike is in really good condition, and unlike the model sold in the US comes with some mechanism to reduce the vibrations from the 45 deg V engine. Turns out Suzuki thought, at the time, that Americans will want those Harleyesqe vibes. I don't know but this one feels sooo nice. I just thought to say hi. I still get the digest and will try to read it sometimes. Hoping most is well with all of you. Or all is well with most of you - which works. Niv _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PIt8Z4022931; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:55:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PIt8qh022926; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:55:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 11:55:02 -0700 From: To: Wayne Edelen Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Wayne, A lot of listers have been to CSS. Almost everyone has had a largely positive experience. More so for first-time track riders taking the Level One class (which is what everyone takes regardless of ability if it's your first time to CSS). You will learn a lot. The focus is technique, not speed. Don't worry how fast you're going or if you're in the "fast" or "slow" group. You should have plenty of company, regardless. But if you're learning all the right things, you should get faster as the day progresses. Probably the most important point is to ASK FOR FEEDBACK. Almost everyone who goes to CSS reports that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Unlike Keener, you'll be a better rider for having attended. %^) Chuck P.S. Try not to crash. On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Wayne Edelen wrote: I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR in Sept. I'll use their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. Anyone on the list taken the course? I'm not a knee-dragger, but I enjoy the twisties and would like to improve my riding skills and explore the limits of a sportbike on the track without fear of hurting my precious ;-) Busa :-) It's $595 for the day to use their bike. Thanks! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PIvAZ4023105; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:57:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PIvAnC023098; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:57:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D404B5B.23606378@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:02:51 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rented a Harley References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > > > She might be shy, and she might know that the sportbike posture of the pillion > > rider gives other drivers a rather enticing view of her butt. > > So that's why all you Harley guys don't mind riding behind the sportbikes > ;-) Damn skippy! I am a confirmed tailgazer! Besides, an FLH passing a sportbike? Even on giggle-gas I'd be eating `Busa dust. Lucky you, going off for your anniversary. I know where I'll be on mine - standing in the middle of an hot asphalt parking lot watching newbies on our trainer bikes. A month or so after I signed up to teach classes SWMBO looked at my schedule and shrieked "You have a class on *our* anniversary!" Oops. I have a sneaky suspicion that error is going to cost me more than a weekend at a B&B... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PJXCZ4023587; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:33:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PJXBXx023574; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:33:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:32:59 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Message-ID: <67674E35.4359C7B2.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yep. Took the 2-day camp in Sept. 2000 at Watkins Geln, NY. Had a blast. Learned a lot. Still slightly lean-impaired but, not as bad as I was. ;-) When I ever get the money, I'll take another 2-day camp and finish out the last two levels. Scooter In a message dated Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:39:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR in Sept. I'll use > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > > Anyone on the list taken the course? I'm not a knee-dragger, but I enjoy > the twisties and would like to improve my riding skills and explore the > limits of a sportbike on the track without fear of hurting > my precious > ;-) Busa :-) > > It's $595 for the day to use their bike. > > Thanks! > > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PJbCZ4023872; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:37:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PJbBkm023868; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:37:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725193709.44095.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Bike stolen, Laurel area To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725130148.035593d0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sounds like his residence might be on a hit list for bike thieves. Maybe he should get an old, ratty, beat-up bike to ride for a while. They might forget about him after some time. Chris Weaver --- Lori Wilson wrote: > My friend had his ZX-7R stolen from outside his > townhome in the Laurel > area. According to the witness (who did NOT call the > police, nor do > anything about it) it was a large black man in a > conversion van. Pic of > the bike: > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hiken/Pics/Vehicles/Zx7-LeftAngle2.jpg > > if you see this bike, or have info PLEASE email Jeff > at: hiken@XXXXXX > > This is the SECOND bike in 3 months he's had stolen- > his TT600 was stolen > just 3 months ago.. > THANKS > Lori > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PJsqZ4024232; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:54:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PJsq13024227; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:54:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 25 Jul 2002 19:54:43 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wayne@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 12:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020725125443.6407.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Thu, 25 July 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR > in Sept. I'll use > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. I've taken his school as well as many others, and I can wholeheartedly tell you to save your money and dont waste your time!!!! If you'd like some info, email me. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PK27Z4024451; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:02:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PK27IF024447; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:02:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 25 Jul 2002 20:02:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020725200206.11740.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Bike stolen, Laurel area X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Chris W commented - >Sounds like his residence might be on a hit list for >bike thieves. Maybe he should get an old, ratty, >beat-up bike to ride for a while. They might forget >about him after some time. [Dave] Thieves of all sorts make regular rounds through apartment, condo & townhouse communities. The population density is higher, so they have a higher chance of finding a 'mark'. One suggestion would be a bike cover - a ratty one. Another theme on the beater idea is to buy a beater cage to block the bike in with - such that it would take more than just a few seconds to steal it. It becomes less attractive the more effort the thief has to spend getting it. I used to park the bike diagonally behind a cage up against a curb. It doesn't sound like much, but I made sure it was difficult to get at. At this point the cops ought to be targetting the area pretty heavily, because it's likely not the only item to be stolen. get on the cops about this ! Also, mention to the victim that it's time to move, period. His insurance is going to get cancelled or rates raised pretty soon (if he filed or files claims). Plus, it's not a big leap from several thousand dollars worth of theft to violent crimes... Dave >--- Lori Wilson wrote: >> My friend had his ZX-7R stolen from outside his >> townhome in the Laurel >> area. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PKjCZ4025014; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:45:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PKj9gW024997; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:45:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725204507.56184.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? To: LAURA GRANATO , wayne@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020725125443.6407.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 25 July 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote > > > > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR > > in Sept. I'll use > > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > > I've taken his school as well as many others, and I can > wholeheartedly tell you to save your money and dont > waste your time!!!! If you'd like some info, email me. i disagree with laura. if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you can end up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just ask for it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few classroom sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having an enjoyable day on a decent track. the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost of a track day. however, for some folks, a track day doesn't give them the attention from instructors that they need.... would i do it again? probably not. but would i tell folks it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) and enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen track with a good friend. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PKppZ4025319; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:51:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PKppeD025313; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:51:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725205148.68439.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:51:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? To: Tom Gimer , LAURA GRANATO , wayne@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020725204507.56184.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I had never done it, I would say YES. For someone who never sees a track or real instruction, it was great. You get the most out of Level 1 and 2. I also went with the track bike. Sure it costs more but its NOT your bike and the thing is set up for the track. I tell you, you may even consider getting a nice light 600 after trying theirs. Mark --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Thu, 25 July 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day > at VIR > > > in Sept. I'll use > > > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > > > > I've taken his school as well as many others, and > I can > > wholeheartedly tell you to save your money and > dont > > waste your time!!!! If you'd like some info, > email me. > > i disagree with laura. > > if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you > can end > up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just > ask for > it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few > classroom > sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having > an > enjoyable day on a decent track. > > the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost > of a > track day. however, for some folks, a track day > doesn't > give them the attention from instructors that they > need.... > > would i do it again? probably not. but would i > tell folks > it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the > country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) > and > enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen > track > with a good friend. > > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PKuiZ4025728; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:56:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PKuiXC025722; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:56:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725205641.52860.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020725205148.68439.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > track. I tell you, you may even consider getting a > nice light 600 after trying theirs. Why would I want to do that? So I can pay rediculous premiums, get it stolen and run around here at a top speed of 70mph and curvy roads at significantly less or otherwise end up with expensive legal or medical bills? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PLAWZ4026095; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:10:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PLAWOV026090; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:10:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'Tom Gimer'" , "'LAURA GRANATO'" , Cc: Subject: RE: Keith Code Superbike School? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:09:59 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <013101c2341f$a65f9e30$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020725205148.68439.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Hi, Guess I should introduce myself first. I'm Jim McGonigle an old friend of Waynes. We just recently hooked up and starting riding together. I'm guess I got him interested in going. I'm really interested in hearing the comments. One of the main reasons I chose the Code school is that its relatively cheap, I get to use their bike (see below) and I get to go on the track. What I really want is a chance to get on the track and get some speed/lean going w/o the risk of being on the street. I guess the reason I'm not bringing my bike ('01 600 F4i) is that for the extra $200 I get to kill their tires and if I put it down, the most that is out of my pocket is $750. Heck, just dropping my bike is going to cost me more not to mention the downtime. Besides, a bike is a bike. A good driver will be able to drive a 600 or a 'busa. A bad/inexperienced driver can wreak anything... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:52 PM > To: Tom Gimer; LAURA GRANATO; wayne@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? > > > If I had never done it, I would say YES. For someone > who never sees a track or real instruction, it was > great. You get the most out of Level 1 and 2. > > I also went with the track bike. Sure it costs more > but its NOT your bike and the thing is set up for the > track. I tell you, you may even consider getting a > nice light 600 after trying theirs. > > Mark > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 July 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day > > at VIR > > > > in Sept. I'll use > > > > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > > > > > > I've taken his school as well as many others, and > > I can > > > wholeheartedly tell you to save your money and > > dont > > > waste your time!!!! If you'd like some info, > > email me. > > > > i disagree with laura. > > > > if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you > > can end > > up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just > > ask for > > it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few > > classroom > > sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having > > an > > enjoyable day on a decent track. > > > > the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost > > of a > > track day. however, for some folks, a track day > > doesn't > > give them the attention from instructors that they > > need.... > > > > would i do it again? probably not. but would i > > tell folks > > it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the > > country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) > > and > > enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen > > track > > with a good friend. > > > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PLFbZ4026259; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:15:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PLFb3m026255; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:15:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:15:28 -0700 From: To: matthew patton Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Well, if you get an OLD 600 sportbike (like my "rat" '93 FZR600) the premiums aren't ridiculous (and they weren't ridiculous on my '93 GSXR750 either). I don't seem to have any problems finding nice, curvey roads that can be taken at 70+ mph SAFELY. And I've found lots of curves that at less than 70 mph are just a ton of fun. No expensive legal or medical bills ... yet. %^) On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT) matthew patton wrote: --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > track. I tell you, you may even consider getting a > nice light 600 after trying theirs. Why would I want to do that? So I can pay rediculous premiums, get it stolen and run around here at a top speed of 70mph and curvy roads at significantly less or otherwise end up with expensive legal or medical bills? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PLG8Z4026299; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:16:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PLG7In026293; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:16:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725211605.62212.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:16:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020725205641.52860.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > > track. I tell you, you may even consider getting a > > nice light 600 after trying theirs. > > Why would I want to do that? So I can pay rediculous > premiums, get it > stolen and run around here at a top speed of 70mph and > curvy roads at > significantly less or otherwise end up with expensive > legal or medical bills? you lost me. are you saying that when one buys a nimble 600cc sportbike they necessarily end up with expensive legal/medical bills? on what is this foolish contention based? and how is it related at all to the engine size of the bike? the "ridiculous premiums" comment also has no basis for anyone other than single males under age 25.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PLJKZ4026897; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:19:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PLJKxH026892; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:19:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:19:17 -0700 From: To: Tom Gimer Cc: LAURA GRANATO , wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 I know I will burn in hell for this, but TG and I are in agreement. I respect Laura's opinion, but she's wrong. %^) But seriously, everyone has different experiences. It would seem that most (but not all) people have a good experience (or at least a good enough one) at CSS. They've had thousands of students go through the school and have been in business since the 1980s, so they must be doing something right. But they're also not the only game in town and one can certainly get good instruction (and I know some would argue better) from other track schools. I just don't think you can go WRONG by attending CSS. On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 25 July 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote > > > > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR > > in Sept. I'll use > > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > > I've taken his school as well as many others, and I can > wholeheartedly tell you to save your money and dont > waste your time!!!! If you'd like some info, email me. i disagree with laura. if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you can end up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just ask for it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few classroom sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having an enjoyable day on a decent track. the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost of a track day. however, for some folks, a track day doesn't give them the attention from instructors that they need.... would i do it again? probably not. but would i tell folks it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) and enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen track with a good friend. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PLYKZ4027646; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:34:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PLYJpY027641; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:34:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Keith Code Superbike School? content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: <16139506CDB26245BB37BF17A641962396C5EA@nt-hqexbh1.boiseoffice.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: Keith Code Superbike School? Thread-Index: AcI0Iv1UteHN1jPTQB6eLNlBoZ930g== From: To: Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6PLYIZ4027629 Jim, I went last year, I can't say I got a lot of one-on-one instruction, but the drills they have you practice really do focus on the lesson you are taught in the classroom session. You could just read the TWIW books (hard to read) over and over, but it would be hard to practice the drills. I found it enjoyable and worth the cost, BTW it Poured rain the whole time (I was really glad I was on their bike) I overcame my fear of the wet in a big way. I can tell you Any track time will improve your street riding to the Nth degree. VIR is a great race track too. George 02 VFR... >>> Jim McGonigle 07/25/02 05:09PM >>> Hi, Guess I should introduce myself first. I'm Jim McGonigle an old friend of Waynes. We just recently hooked up and starting riding together. I'm guess I got him interested in going. I'm really interested in hearing the comments. One of the main reasons I chose the Code school is that its relatively cheap, I get to use their bike (see below) and I get to go on the track. What I really want is a chance to get on the track and get some speed/lean going w/o the risk of being on the street. I guess the reason I'm not bringing my bike ('01 600 F4i) is that for the extra $200 I get to kill their tires and if I put it down, the most that is out of my pocket is $750. Heck, just dropping my bike is going to cost me more not to mention the downtime. Besides, a bike is a bike. A good driver will be able to drive a 600 or a 'busa. A bad/inexperienced driver can wreak anything... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:52 PM > To: Tom Gimer; LAURA GRANATO; wayne@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? > > > If I had never done it, I would say YES. For someone > who never sees a track or real instruction, it was > great. You get the most out of Level 1 and 2. > > I also went with the track bike. Sure it costs more > but its NOT your bike and the thing is set up for the > track. I tell you, you may even consider getting a > nice light 600 after trying theirs. > > Mark > > --- Tom Gimer wrote: > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 July 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote > > > > > > > > > > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day > > at VIR > > > > in Sept. I'll use > > > > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > > > > > > I've taken his school as well as many others, and > > I can > > > wholeheartedly tell you to save your money and > > dont > > > waste your time!!!! If you'd like some info, > > email me. > > > > i disagree with laura. > > > > if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you > > can end > > up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just > > ask for > > it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few > > classroom > > sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having > > an > > enjoyable day on a decent track. > > > > the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost > > of a > > track day. however, for some folks, a track day > > doesn't > > give them the attention from instructors that they > > need.... > > > > would i do it again? probably not. but would i > > tell folks > > it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the > > country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) > > and > > enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen > > track > > with a good friend. > > > > > > > > -- > > tg > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > > http://health.yahoo.com > > > > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PLeEZ4027976; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:40:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PLeEqJ027971; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:40:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [208.224.173.2] From: "Sanath S" To: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:39:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 21:39:08.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4BF70A0:01C23423] Took one earlier this year at VIR. Was a ton of fun. Check out this link for my writeup of the class. http://www.sanath.com/code.html Regards Sanath >From: Wayne Edelen >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Keith Code Superbike School? >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:39:03 -0700 (PDT) > >I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR in Sept. I'll use >their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > >Anyone on the list taken the course? I'm not a knee-dragger, but I enjoy >the twisties and would like to improve my riding skills and explore the >limits of a sportbike on the track without fear of hurting my precious >;-) Busa :-) > >It's $595 for the day to use their bike. > >Thanks! > >-- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PLmnZ4028288; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:48:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PLmn06028281; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:48:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725214846.48629.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:48:46 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: why not sportbikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck wrote: Anything over $300/yr IMO is entering the 'high' and anything over 600/yr is well into ridiculous territory. > don't seem to have any problems finding nice, curvey roads that can > be taken at 70+ mph SAFELY. yeah until bambi decided to step out in front of you. Didn't you wad that GSXR a year or so ago? Maybe you don't have an accident every year but there are plenty in the "sport-bike" community who have incidents on a regular basis. If nothing goes wrong, then sure you can get away with such speeds around your Quantico loop or other sundry roads in the nearby vicinity. But that was a mighty big 'IF'. And like the guy who nailed the barriers on US-33 in WV just a week ago, or the guys who lose it on US-211 every week, or ..... I know I'm painting with a broad brush, but sportbike riders as a category ride around faster than prudent or reasonable and then they get caught out because their "perfect" environment actually wasn't. Even if I don't break a single traffic rule I still have no desire to join their ranks as far as the insurance companies are concerned. And if you ride within the limits of the law then why own a bike that can't carry stuff very well, or often has ergonomic issues and a hefty cost of ownership to boot? What possible incentive is there to own one, really? Track day weapon? Ok I'll give you that - for the dozen times/yr one might go to the track. Looks cool, yeah I guess. Can you actually tap the power? No, you're already supra-legal in 2nd or 3rd gear. > no expensive bills yet. %^) Exactly my point. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PMOlZ4028841; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:24:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PMOlA5028836; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:24:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: why not sportbikes Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:24:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c2342a$29e46560$2784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020725214846.48629.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Matthew Patton wrote - > don't seem to have any problems finding nice, curvey roads that can > be taken at 70+ mph SAFELY. yeah until bambi decided to step out in front of you. ...that was a mighty big 'IF'. And like the guy who nailed the barriers on US-33 in WV just a week ago, or the guys who lose it on US-211 every week, or ..... [Dave] That's a good point, time & place for everything... I know I'm painting with a broad brush [Dave] Around here, we call that "profiling" ;-) , but sportbike riders as a category ride around faster than prudent or reasonable and then they get caught out because their "perfect" environment actually wasn't. [Dave] Without commenting on the truth of the above statement, cruiser riders tend to ride around inebriated, unskilled & with open pipes more often, giving all of us a bad rap ! Even if I don't break a single traffic rule I still have no desire to join their ranks as far as the insurance companies are concerned. And if you ride within the limits of the law then why own a bike that can't carry stuff very well, or often has ergonomic issues and a hefty cost of ownership to boot? [Dave] You seem to be asserting that it's pointless to own a bike that is either impractical or focused to a performance agenda. If even an element of that is true, then everyone here should simply trade their bikes in on Vespa scooters, or horses. Very few of us percentage wise use the bike as a year round commuter (I'm sure at least 1 is going to jump in and proclaim they do). And, it costs all of us more money to keep an impractical motorcycle, rather than a much more practical cage, like a Prius... What possible incentive is there to own one, really? Track day weapon? Ok I'll give you that - for the dozen times/yr one might go to the track. Looks cool, yeah I guess. Can you actually tap the power? No, you're already supra-legal in 2nd or 3rd gear. > no expensive bills yet. %^) Exactly my point. [Dave] maybe you're actually missing the point of riding in the 1st place... just rambling... Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PMbZZ4029170; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:37:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PMbY4T029165; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:37:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725183327.029e5820@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:37:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: why not sportbikes In-Reply-To: <20020725214846.48629.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:48 PM 7/25/2002, matthew patton wrote: >yeah until bambi decided to step out in front of you. ... >I know I'm painting with a broad brush, but sportbike riders as a >category ride around faster than prudent or reasonable and then they >get caught out because their "perfect" environment actually wasn't. Mr. Patton - is that what you were thinking while we did 65 on the BRP last summer? It isn't just sportbikes - it is any bike. Some NASCAR driver got killed last week going too fast around a corner on his cruiser. It happens to everyone. As for the comments about comfort and ability to carry stuff - GIVI makes racks for just about anything. And although my VFR isn't really a hard core sportbike, it is the most comfortable thing I have ever ridden. I know of R1 riders that typically do 4-500 mile days in supposed comfort. It all comes down to the individual. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PND4Z4029968; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:13:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PND3RF029956; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:13:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: why not sportbikes Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020725183327.029e5820@mail.troutman.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 23:12:02.0485 (UTC) FILETIME=[AF5B0E50:01C23430] I regularly ride my Kawasaki Klr650 as fast as i do my Yamaha r1. Ive met many guys who ride Bmw's, and you would ThInK they would ride slow, but most of the time these guys are dragging their saddles everywhere. Most of the nutters i have met thou have been on dirt bikes and super motards, not sportbikes. BTW, my yearly insurance for my R1 is 10,000 a year. Recently it dropped to 7,000$ a year. :) Ricardo www.pileofgarbage.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PNL1Z4030424; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:21:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PNL1Z2030418; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:21:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020725232058.4011.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: RE: why not sportbikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000001c2342a$29e46560$2784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > [Dave] That's a good point, time & place for everything... And I would wager, if you want to open up your sportbike get your ass to a track. But way too many don't bother and try to use I495 instead. > [Dave] Without commenting on the truth of the above statement, > cruiser riders tend to ride around inebriated, unskilled & with open indeed too many do. I wonder if the BMW or touring, or dual-sport riders have the same sort of representation within their ranks with regard to these behaviors. > [Dave] You seem to be asserting that it's pointless to own a bike > that is either impractical or focused to a performance agenda. If Yup. But in the same token some people just buy bikes to let them sit in a garage. (see ZR-7 on ebay from some guy local in MD) And yes, he uses them as stationary art. I asked him. > and proclaim they do). And, it costs all of us more money to keep an > impractical motorcycle, rather than a much more practical cage, like > a Prius... Indeed. I was reacting to the flow of thought that said: "ride a 600cc bike at CSS and you just might want a 600cc when you get back because they handle very well and they go like stink." Implying (purhaps in my own little twisted mind) that any of the benefits experienced in a track outing would somehow be appropriate or even relevant to the public streets. > [Dave] maybe you're actually missing the point of riding in the 1st > place... Am I? I get from point A to point B taking way longer than it should have (or sometimes way faster than by cage - thank you HOV) and get to smell the flowers along the way, and get to feel the wind, the rain and the hail. I get to stumble across scenery you'd rarely see otherwise, and meet people living in towns that barely make the county map. It's just like being on my bicycle, just that the physical exertion is miniscule and I can cover 100 miles in 2 hours instead of 8. And not during any of this is there any need to push beyond conservative riding. If riding is only about addrenaline, then I invite you to Summit Point on the following dates to get your fill: 8/5, 8/21, 9/6, 9/21, 11/1-2, 11/3-4. I thought there was CCS during October but purhaps I'm confused. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6PNoXZ4030970; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:50:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6PNoWbO030961; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:50:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: why not sportbikes Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:49:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c23435$e5c06ee0$2784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020725232058.4011.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal MP wrote - And I would wager, if you want to open up your sportbike get your ass to a track. But way too many don't bother and try to use I495 instead. [Dave] it's more US 50 now, isn't it ? but your point is still valid... Of course, that's symptomatic of not enough tracks to use... Not that I'm condoning using crowded public highways to race... Plus the last time I was at MIR, I got 3 stern talking to's because I wouldn't wait for the cages to do their time trials... Seems the cagers don't like to have their 10 second trailered cars spanked by a bike... It was just the test & tune, we weren't in eliminations or anything... > [Dave] Without commenting on the truth of the above statement, > cruiser riders tend to ride around inebriated, unskilled & with open indeed too many do. I wonder if the BMW or touring, or dual-sport riders have the same sort of representation within their ranks with regard to these behaviors. [Dave] With the ever expanding 'mid life crisis' crowd, and social status crowd, in addition to the R.U.B.'s, it's getting worse & worse. I haven't really run across any on the road, but I've met people that had M/C licenses & heard of them through my wife, who somehow manage to get a license, get a HD, and promptly wad it within a week... On stupid mistakes that could easily be avoided with an MSF class... Indeed. I was reacting to the flow of thought that said: "ride a 600cc bike at CSS and you just might want a 600cc when you get back because they handle very well and they go like stink." Implying (purhaps in my own little twisted mind) that any of the benefits experienced in a track outing would somehow be appropriate or even relevant to the public streets. [Dave] I feel more comfortable piloting cages that are big heavy gas guzzlers that 'go like stink'... I'd rather not wait for the engine to 'spool up'. This argument doesn't hold as much water on a bike because by and large, most modern 600's are WAY quicker than most of the baddest streetable cages. I find that the G.L.S. cages suit my driving style better, and I find piloting them more fun, satisfying & generally more relaxing. And yes, I have periodically violated some traffic laws... once or twice. > [Dave] maybe you're actually missing the point of riding in the 1st > place... If riding is only about addrenaline, then I invite you to Summit Point on the following dates to get your fill: 8/5, 8/21, 9/6, 9/21, 11/1-2, 11/3-4. I thought there was CCS during October but purhaps I'm confused. [Dave] Thank you, I've been around SP at high speed, and it is quite fun. I also see your point more clearly. Do You Yahoo!? [Dave] no, not really. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6Q0RZZ4032062; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:27:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q0RZka032054; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:27:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726002733.32561.qmail@web20105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Summit Point track days To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000201c23435$e5c06ee0$2784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In case it wasn't clear those dates are open track days for anyone to plunk down their $150 or $230 and go as fast as their little heart's desire. And hopefully conclude the day still in one piece and with the rubber side still down. I got them from the website so I can't vouch for their veracity. > If riding is only about addrenaline, then I invite you to Summit > Point > on the following dates to get your fill: 8/5, 8/21, 9/6, 9/21, > 11/1-2, 11/3-4. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6Q2H3Z4001724; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:17:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q2H2jv001633; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:17:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726021645.88537.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: why not sportbikes To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020725232058.4011.qmail@web20103.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > I thought there was CCS during October but > purhaps I'm confused. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ you said it, brother.... :) -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6Q2KDZ4002135; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:20:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q2KD1I002129; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:20:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007701c23445$d2fae140$272f2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <000001c2342a$29e46560$2784c0cf@nih.gov> Subject: Re: why not sportbikes Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:43:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" > > [Dave] You seem to be asserting that it's pointless to own a bike that > is either impractical or focused > to a performance agenda. If even an element of that is true, then > everyone here should simply trade their bikes > in on Vespa scooters, or horses. Very few of us percentage wise use the > bike as a year round commuter (I'm sure at least 1 is going to jump in > and proclaim they do). And, it costs all of us more money to keep an > impractical motorcycle, rather than a much more practical cage, like a > Prius... > Paul sheepishly raises hand. A bike has been my sole transportation to work since the summer of 1999, save for days I've ridden Metro due to snow. Those occurrences can be counted on one hand. Who says cages are more practical? Am I always going to be able to park my "practical" cage directly in front of my house on the public street? Doubtful, but the bike(s) squeeze in quite nicely. For two "riding seasons" and two winter seasons I rode the paragon of practicality, a CB750, but "moved up" to the VFR, something a little more sporty (not to mention a little more touring). I then got a beater VF500F to ride in bad weather. Getting back to the original topic, anyone seriously bent on removing himself from the gene pool is perfectly capable of doing it on just about any motorcycle. As for having a "reason" to own a sportbike, hey, variety is the spice of life. The East German command economy was probably capable of building the motor vehicles that people "really" needed. One of the things I find refreshing about bikes is how they stand out in a sea of automotive mediocrity. The variety of bikes is pretty amazing, considering how few units are sold. And, as far as practical, hmmm, my DC neighbor, Scooter, just rode coast to coast on his R6. Practicality is in the eye of beholder, or rider. :) Paul in DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6Q2LEZ4002415; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:21:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q2LEEA002409; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:21:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: linux1.gl.umbc.edu: jconli1 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:21:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Conlin To: Subject: re : why not sportbikes - picturebook In-Reply-To: <200207252300.g6PN02MN029704@dirty.meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Troutman wrote : > Mr. Patton - is that what you were thinking while we did 65 on the > BRP last summer? Forget the BRP pace... we were doing 65 on Skyline. Plus, Matt and I were both on CB750s, WHERAS YOU ON YOUR VIFFER was the one saying, "Guys, we really gotta slow it down." > And although my VFR isn't really a hard core sportbike, it is the > most comfortable thing I have ever ridden. Hahaha... as I recall, once we got off the BRP and slabbed it, Matt and I were aiming for 200 miles a shot, WHERAS YOU ON YOUR VIFFER was the one saying, "Guys, we really gotta stop! My back hurts so much!" :P All in good fun. However, Matt does have a point (though I can see how it would offend some of the delicate sportbike egos out there), and our CB750 escapades have proven that. (http://jeff.desi-9.com/temp/2nh/2nighthawks3.jpg) Insurance rates are a pain. If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably just hold on to my CB750. I could push it and it would happily oblige - just ask the many VFR riders I dusted on the Dragon, or the ZX6R that was struggling to keep up w/me on Wolfpen Gap Rd. in Suches. Locally, I got lots of sneers from sportbikers when pulling in on my Volksbike. They went away when my footpegs were kicking sparks back at them further down the road. :) When I am slabbing or state-roading out to some Appalachian Riding Nirvana somewhere (http://jeff.desi-9.com/temp/kentucky/jeff_gpz_canyon.jpg), my ~115hp Geeper is perfect. Sadly, that accounts for only about 20% of my riding. When I'm in town, or in the super tight twisties, the powerful brakes and monstrous torque often make things more of a challenge. The far more simplistic CB750 with gentle torque roll-on and rear drum could be trailbraked right to the apex, then WOT'd out every time. No real skill necessary other than picking a good line. It could keep up with most average sportbike riders on average sportbikes. No plastic. Self-adjusting valves. Super cheap insurance. Friendly upright standard seating position complete with requisite happy round headlight. Impossible to look agressive (http://jeff.desi-9.com/temp/sme69/Squirrel_2052b.jpg) Police laugh at you as you rode by, independent of speed. A logical choice. A choice your left brain can always be happy with. But logic and lust rarely follow the same road. While my Geeper is more expensive to buy, part, and insure... eats more 'spensive tires at twice the rate, and attracts the slobbering stares of cops even when I'm doing 5mph in a parking lot... my right brain (aw, heck... actually just my groin) still thinks it's much better than the Nighthawk. And that's where a lot of people's entire philosophy of riding is located. Since SHE's not riding it, I'll probably comandeer Kim's GS500E (http://jeff.desi-9.com/img/daily/kimgs2.jpg), then I guess I'll have the bases covered... but if I had to have just one bike, the cheap cost, flexibility and easy-to-live-with personality of the middleweight standards is hard to argue with. And if you'd like to try to argue, I'm sure a friendly shootout can be arranged. >:^) rambling on- -- Jeff Conlin - Asheville bound, but sadly in the cage... GIVIs are late '95 GPz1100 (kicks) ex-'91 CB750 (puntee) ex-baby Magna (punter) Beltsville, MD http://jeff.desi-9.com/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6Q2V5Z4002825; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:31:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q2V5Rh002821; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:31:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:31:00 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: dan@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night reminder Message-ID: <334504B8.2E07BC42.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm going to meet a friend in Fort Washington,MD. The route me might take: 495 towards Tyson's Corner and take 355 south to Old Georgetown Rd. If you would like to meet any where off 495 let me know, I'm flexible. We could meet some where in Alexendia, just name the place. -Mark In a message dated Wed, 24 Jul 2002 1:43:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@XXXXXX writes: > > > Mark, > > I was thinking about going. Where are you leaving from(I have no idea > how to get there)? > > Dan > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 STmaven@XXXXXX wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone is going? I don't mind going as long as it doesn't rain. > > > > -Mark > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6Q2ZRZ4003013; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:35:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q2ZQvt003007; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:35:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000701c2344d$0f8c6320$2e3f21a2@Bubaleh> From: "Janey & Kurt" To: Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:34:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I've got to agree with Chuck on this one, with a few caveats. Although CCS is not perfect, it's a great learning experience if you've never been on a track before and you're not interested in racing. I took the Level 1 class at the VIR south track in 2000, and I followed up with the Level 2 class at the VIR north track in 2001. I had never been anywhere near a track before, and I found the first few laps on the track intimidating. By the end of the Level 1 class, I felt like a better rider for having had the experience. I should mention that I received a lot of individual attention during the Level 1 course. I should also mention that, in my opinion, my positive experience had nothing to do with Keith Code's classroom insights. (By the way, I'm not convinced that Keith knows how to write. "Twist of the Wrist II" is virtually unreadable. The man desperately needs a ghost writer.) I attribute my positive experience to time spent on the track in a highly-controlled environment with a lot of positive feedback. My second ride with CCS was much different. As with many riders who have signed up for a CCS class, I received no individual attention during my Level 2 session. I mentioned this lack of feedback to several instructors throughout the day to no avail. Finally, just before the last session, I went to the man himself and complained. After the last session, I got 30 seconds of "Gee, it looked pretty good to me." People who have ridden with me before know that I'm very very far from being a perfect rider, so I was looking for some helpful advice. Nevertheless, I still gained something from the experience simply by virtue of the fact that I spent time on the track in a controlled environment. For riders who are already comfortable on the track, or who are committed to racing, CCS is not the best choice. A regular track day would be far more cost-efficient. -Kurt _____________________________________________ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 14:19:17 -0700 From: To: Tom Gimer Cc: LAURA GRANATO , wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? I know I will burn in hell for this, but TG and I are in agreement. I respect Laura's opinion, but she's wrong. %^) But seriously, everyone has different experiences. It would seem that most (but not all) people have a good experience (or at least a good enough one) at CSS. They've had thousands of students go through the school and have been in business since the 1980s, so they must be doing something right. But they're also not the only game in town and one can certainly get good instruction (and I know some would argue better) from other track schools. I just don't think you can go WRONG by attending CSS. On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Tom Gimer wrote: --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 25 July 2002, Wayne Edelen wrote > > > > > I'm thinking of taking a Keith Code single day at VIR > > in Sept. I'll use > > their ZX-6, instead of my own bike. > > I've taken his school as well as many others, and I can > wholeheartedly tell you to save your money and dont > waste your time!!!! If you'd like some info, email me. i disagree with laura. if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you can end up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just ask for it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few classroom sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having an enjoyable day on a decent track. the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost of a track day. however, for some folks, a track day doesn't give them the attention from instructors that they need.... would i do it again? probably not. but would i tell folks it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) and enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen track with a good friend. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6Q2egZ4003302; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:40:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6Q2ef6I003297; Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:40:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00d801c23448$a86583b0$272f2c42@D7XFG711> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <000701c2344d$0f8c6320$2e3f21a2@Bubaleh> Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:03:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 And I thought it was just me, trying to read TWOT2 in the wee hours and finding it tough sledding. A good cure for insomnia though. A couple pages of Code's artless prose will put those lights out in no time. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janey & Kurt" I should also mention that, > in my opinion, my positive experience had nothing to do with Keith Code's > classroom insights. (By the way, I'm not convinced that Keith knows how to > write. "Twist of the Wrist II" is virtually unreadable. The man > desperately needs a ghost writer.) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QAIuZ4007059; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:18:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QAIsNN007050; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:18:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726101852.27871.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 03:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: why not sportbikes To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020726021645.88537.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sorry folks, i should have been clearer. i was referring to matthew's general state of confusion rather than the fall ccs schedule. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- matthew patton wrote: > > I thought there was CCS during October but > > purhaps I'm confused. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > you said it, brother.... :) > > > -- > tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QC82Z4007905; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:08:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QC81Lk007897; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:08:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Janey & Kurt'" , Subject: RE: Keith Code Superbike School? Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:07:19 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <000a01c2349d$01813530$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c2344d$0f8c6320$2e3f21a2@Bubaleh> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks for the input. One thing that I have to say is that it is very difficult to give verbal feedback in motorsports for most people. I use to race SCCA and did plenty of teaching at Summit Point and it is very difficult to explain to people what they are doing wrong or what can make them better. I would guess it would be even more difficult on a motorcycle since they aren't even in the car with you... There are the rare instructors that can help everyone, but I wasn't one of them and from the people I met that teached only a few could even be close to that category. I guess I'll find out for myself. I've raced VIR, so I won't have a problem w/ the track. Just got to get use to being on 2 wheels! ;) -Jim > My second ride with CCS was much different. As with many > riders who > have signed up for a CCS class, I received no individual > attention during my > Level 2 session. I mentioned this lack of feedback to > several instructors > throughout the day to no avail. Finally, just before the > last session, I > went to the man himself and complained. After the last > session, I got 30 > seconds of "Gee, it looked pretty good to me." People who > have ridden with > me before know that I'm very very far from being a perfect > rider, so I was > looking for some helpful advice. Nevertheless, I still > gained something > from the experience simply by virtue of the fact that I spent > time on the > track in a controlled environment. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QCMnZ4008429; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:22:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QCMmWT008424; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:22:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726122246.81853.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 05:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: Re: why not sportbikes To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020725214846.48629.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Anything over $300/yr IMO is entering the 'high' and > anything over > 600/yr is well into ridiculous territory. > Are we talking liability or full coverage? My insurance company didn't even ask me what type of bike I had. They just wanted to know engine size. So, for me, my 600 costs less then the CB750. Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QDVXZ4009475; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:31:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QDVWC1009467; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:31:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 26 Jul 2002 13:31:24 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020726063124.5408.h010.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Thu, 25 July 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > i disagree with laura. > > if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you can > end > up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just ask > for > it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few > classroom > sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having an > enjoyable day on a decent track. > > the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost of a > track day. however, for some folks, a track day doesn't > give them the attention from instructors that they > need.... > > would i do it again? probably not. but would i tell > folks > it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the > country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) and > enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen track > with a good friend. Imagine that, tom disagreeing with me. I'm not going to go into my keith code horror story...just take a look at other schools because there are MUCH MUCH MUCH better schools that give ten times better instruction for cheaper. www.teampromotion.com and look at the "art" schools. PERSONALIZED ATTENTION AT YOUR LEVEL...instead of a "pre-determined" class structure. I could have done keith code's school by just reading his book. LAG ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QDahZ4009902; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:36:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QDahUt009898; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:36:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:36:40 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: why not sportbikes Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Matthew, Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed? Someone piss in your Wheaties? Got a burr up your ass? You seem to have taken a "holier than thou" attitude to an innocuous comment about 600cc sportbikes. Relax. Chill. You make lots of valid points. But hey, it's a free country. And you aren't the sportbike police. As much as I might agree with you on some, many, or all of your points, the last thing I want are a bunch of sportbike Nazis telling me what I can and can't ride. If people want to buy and ride 600cc sportbikes (or even 1300cc Hayabusas), it's their choice. Can they ride way over their heads and get themselves in trouble? Of course. But I'm not their nanny and I don't want you being mine. Can they tap all the power available to their right wrist on the street? Of course not. But so what? Is that a crime? I mean, do you really NEED a ZR-7? Couldn't you have made do with a smaller displacement motorcycle? Hell, why do you need a motorcycle in the first place? They're f#$@ing dangerous. To address some of your specific comments: > Anything over $300/yr IMO is entering the 'high' and anything over 600/yr is well into ridiculous territory. I've never paid more than $200 a year for full coverage on either my GSXR750 or my FZR600. > yeah until bambi decided to step out in front of you. Didn't you wad that GSXR a year or so ago? For the record, that happened at less than 70mph and on a straight road. On a straight road, mind you, that a lot of other riders would probably have been hooning down WOT at a ton plus. It was a freak accident. Could've happened to anyone on a sportbike or any kind of motorcycle or even driving a car. > Maybe you don't have an accident every year but there are plenty in the "sport-bike" community who have incidents on a regular basis. If nothing goes wrong, then sure you can get away with such speeds around your Quantico loop or other sundry roads in the nearby vicinity. But that was a mighty big 'IF'. And like the guy who nailed the barriers on US-33 in WV just a week ago, or the guys who lose it on US-211 every week, or ..... Look, if you're going to ride a sportbike on the street at anything above a sedentary pace, there is always the risk that something can go wrong. You can never eliminate that risk. All you can do is to do your best to manage it and hopefully minimize the chances that something bad will happen or if something bad does happen, minimize the consequences. The bottom line is that there are risks associated with riding a motorcycle. I accept those risks. If the risks scare you, then just don't ride. For that matter, why bother even going out of your house at all? Bad stuff happens to people all the time. I agree with you that there are probably a lot of people out there who ride sportbikes who ride well beyond their capabilities or well beyond what is prudent for existing conditions. And those are a lot of the guys who are crashing. But what do you want? A sportbike ban? A law against being a squid or a poser? I just steer clear of them and shake my head in bemusement. > What possible incentive is there to own one, really? Track day weapon? Ok I'll give you that - for the dozen times/yr one might go to the track. Looks cool, yeah I guess. Can you actually tap the power? No, you're already supra-legal in 2nd or 3rd gear. Why do you care why people chose what they chose to ride? Why should anyone care that you decided that a ZR-7 was the "right" motorcycle for your purposes? I own a sportbike because it's fun to ride. And I do try to get to the track when I can so I can ride it beyond what I can do on the road. My FZR is, after all, pretty much just a track bike with lights. And I don't think too many people would describe my DIY painted "rat" FZR as "cool." As for power...I've got a "measly" 75hp on tap. Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QDgQZ4010207; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:42:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QDgQ22010201; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:42:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726134224.39395.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020726063124.5408.h010.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Thu, 25 July 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > > > i disagree with laura. > > > > if you USE YOUR OWN BIKE (very important here), you > can > > end > > up (a) getting decent, hands-on instruction (just ask > > for > > it); (b) having TOTWI/TOTWII condensed into a few > > classroom > > sessions (who needs to read anyway?); and (c) having > an > > enjoyable day on a decent track. > > > > the downside: this comes at approx. double the cost > of a > > track day. however, for some folks, a track day > doesn't > > give them the attention from instructors that they > > need.... > > > > would i do it again? probably not. but would i tell > > folks > > it wasn't worth it? no. i got to see a part of the > > country i hadn't seen before (finger lakes of ny) and > > enjoyed meeting keith and running the watkins glen > track > > with a good friend. > > > Imagine that, tom disagreeing with me. congrats on your engagement, laura. and best wishes to you and brian for your future together.... > I'm not going > to go into my keith code horror story...just take a > look at other schools because there are MUCH MUCH MUCH > better schools that give ten times better instruction > for cheaper. > > www.teampromotion.com and look at the "art" schools. > PERSONALIZED ATTENTION AT YOUR LEVEL...instead of a > "pre-determined" class structure. > > I could have done keith code's school by just reading > his book. we all agree on this. and i absolutely agree that folks should shop around for the right track school. CSS isn't the only game in town. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QDiZZ4010492; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:44:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QDiYBs010487; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:44:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020726093529.0225ddf8@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:38:41 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: re : why not sportbikes - picturebook In-Reply-To: References: <200207252300.g6PN02MN029704@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:21 PM 7/25/2002, Jeff Conlin wrote: >Forget the BRP pace... we were doing 65 on Skyline. Plus, Matt and I were >both on CB750s, WHERAS YOU ON YOUR VIFFER was the one saying, "Guys, we >really gotta slow it down." Yeah - for the reasons Matt listed - considering the number of deer we saw (not to mention the bear) I wasn't comfy maintaining the pace. > > And although my VFR isn't really a hard core sportbike, it is the > > most comfortable thing I have ever ridden. > >Hahaha... as I recall, once we got off the BRP and slabbed it, Matt and I >were aiming for 200 miles a shot, WHERAS YOU ON YOUR VIFFER was the one >saying, "Guys, we really gotta stop! My back hurts so much!" :P Actually - it was my leg, and I found out why. I have had pretty bad back pain for about 6 years and Kaiser finally ran some tests. I have two bulging discs, and have had them for some time. I won't go into all the gory details, but I will likely be having an operation by the end of the year. I'm still riding right now, but not very far :-( ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QDrCZ4010812; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:53:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QDrCE0010808; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:53:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 26 Jul 2002 13:53:04 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:53:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020726065304.6255.h002.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Fri, 26 July 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > congrats on your engagement, laura. and best wishes to > you > and brian for your future together.... Thanks, Tom! :) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QE5LZ4011189; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:05:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QE5LwP011183; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:05:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Keith Code Superbike School? In-Reply-To: <20020726134224.39395.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > congrats on your engagement, laura. and best wishes to you > and brian for your future together.... I think this was a dig... but I'm not sure ... :) > we all agree on this. > > and i absolutely agree that folks should shop around for > the right track school. CSS isn't the only game in town. CCS (Code) was really great... the first three times I took it (levels 1 - 3). When Laura and I went in 2001 for 2 days, it was because of the great experiences I'd had with his school. Unfortunatly the school had changed quite a bit. The people he had working for him had dropped in quality. Instead of long-time instructors, he had people with whom I regularly raced "teaching" - people I know had never taken his school nor embraced his methods while on the track. The student:instructor ratio had gone up. Previously, there were maybe 4 students per instructor. Now there was 6 - 8, and you were lucky to get any attention unless you made some noise (or were friends with one of them outside the school). Overall... I was really disappointed. Not only at my school, but at the service Laura and others were getting at the lower levels. If you've never been on a track before, and the school isn't overbooked or has enough instructors... I think you'd still get a lot out of it. Other than that, I'd avoid CSS. Beyond that, as Laura mentioned - Mike Himmelsbach has started a school in conjunction with Team Pro-Motion track days, and it is *awesome* I've taken it twice, she's done it once. You receive a ton of track time, and personalized attention from the instructors. Mike is also very good at conveying his methods in the classroom sessions, and you get a lot out of that as well. I highly recommend his school. (Disclaimer: Yes, Mike & Chris Pyles are friends of mine, but that wouldn't prevent me from knocking the school if it sucked :) ) - Roach _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QEGRZ4011608; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:16:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QEGRBE011604; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:16:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:18:10 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Message-ID: <4570A7AB.11066FB9.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK. I was off list for the past two weeks. Did I miss something here? Scooter In a message dated Fri, 26 Jul 2002 8:42:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > congrats on your engagement, laura. and best wishes to you > and brian for your future together.... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QEI2Z4011806; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:18:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QEI1ig011799; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:18:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726141758.27687.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4570A7AB.11066FB9.0C9D3659@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > OK. I was off list for the past two weeks. Did I miss > something here? love is in the air, everywhere i look arooouuuuuunnnd.... > In a message dated Fri, 26 Jul 2002 8:42:24 AM Eastern > Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > congrats on your engagement, laura. and best wishes to > > you and brian for your future together.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QEKgZ4012204; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:20:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QEKgN7012198; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:20:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 26 Jul 2002 14:20:34 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: t_gimer@XXXXXX, wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:20:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020726072034.24652.h011.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Fri, 26 July 2002, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK. I was off list for the past two weeks. Did I miss > something here? > > Scooter Brian and I got engaged last Friday night :) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QELGZ4012255; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:21:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QELGvT012248; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:21:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:15:17 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Message-ID: <7264CBD6.1E92EB3F.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gimer, don't quit your day job. ;-) Laura and Roach are getting married huh? I thought they were on the outs? Oh well...congrats. :-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 26 Jul 2002 9:17:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > --- ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK. I was off list for the past two weeks. Did I miss > > something here? > > love is in the air, everywhere i look arooouuuuuunnnd.... > > > > > > In a message dated Fri, 26 Jul 2002 8:42:24 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > > > > > congrats on your engagement, laura. and best wishes to > > > you and brian for your future together.... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QEN1Z4012678; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:23:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QEN0Fx012670; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:23:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:22:52 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Message-ID: <0DEB91B4.69EC2B8E.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Congrats. Although, I don't know if I'd wanna be known as Mrs. Roach. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 26 Jul 2002 9:20:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Fri, 26 July 2002, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > OK. I was off list for the past two weeks. Did I > miss > > something here? > > > > Scooter > > > Brian and I got engaged last Friday night :) > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QF1eZ4013217; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:01:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QF1bZq013198; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:01:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <83d062aca2ac47a0b50b33cf709ce548.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Joe Rocket customer service Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:01:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6QF1aZ4013186 I've got a positive preliminary customer service report for Joe Rocket. I got caught in the rain a couple days ago wearing my red/white/black Reactor jacket (like a Pheonix but with leather sleeves, mine being red). The dye in the leather ran into the white fabric making the jacket look pretty ratty. So, I e-mailed Joe Rocket and got a reply within the day telling me to send it back and they will replace it ASAP. Cool! They claim that, on some of the jackets, the dye was not "set" properly on the leather. Hopefully, the next one will not have this problem. Kirk _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QF5mZ4013502; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:05:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QF5lVk013498; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:05:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D416694.55FFB82@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:11:16 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX, wayne@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? References: <20020726072034.24652.h011.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Brian and I got engaged last Friday night :) Yeoowww! Another one bites the dust! Congrats. So are y`all doing a motorcycle honeymoon? Planning on adding a sidecar for... uh, extra passengers? Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QF7KZ4013747; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:07:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QF7JZN013741; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:07:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 26 Jul 2002 15:07:11 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020726080711.25123.h009.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Fri, 26 July 2002, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > Congrats. Although, I don't know if I'd wanna be known > as Mrs. Roach. ;-) Yea, Brian thinks it's pretty funny that I'm going to have Roach as a last night...he thinks someone else should have to suffer with it too. :) Thanks for the congrats...we're both really excited! Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QF7YZ4013790; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:07:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QF7YnL013784; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:07:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA0E3@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles list Subject: Advanced Rider Training at NVCC Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:08:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just signed up for the Advanced Rider Training class as it turns out I do need to take a class to continue getting a discount on insurance and of course I hope it will help me become a better rider. They have added classes on Sept 15 and Oct 13, that are not listed on their website, there is still room in the Aug 11th class, the Sept 29th class is full. http://www.nv.cc.va.us/loudoun/continuing/asp/CourseInfoview.asp?key=PHED+96 2+00 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QF82Z4013962; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:08:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QF81KW013955; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:08:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D416724.B934F60@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:13:40 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: re : why not sportbikes - picturebook References: <200207252300.g6PN02MN029704@dirty.meretrix.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020726093529.0225ddf8@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Actually - it was my leg, and I found out why. I have had pretty bad back > pain for about 6 years and Kaiser finally ran some tests. I have two > bulging discs, and have had them for some time. I won't go into all the > gory details, but I will likely be having an operation by the end of the > year. I'm still riding right now, but not very far :-( I feel your pain, brotha -- literally. Got one whacked disk in my lower back and one in my neck. When the both go out I'm not only gimping but have difficulty raising my right arm high enough to pick my nose. Therefore, I've become a switch-picker... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QFHOZ4014637; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:17:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QFHOqe014633; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:17:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:16:05 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Message-ID: <4A4E9476.4ADD175F.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey...we live in a modern age. I say you make him change his last name. Mr. Granato sounds better than Mrs. Roach. hehe Or....you can hyphenate it. Mrs. Laura Granato-Roach. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Fri, 26 July 2002, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Congrats. Although, I don't know if I'd wanna be > known > > as Mrs. Roach. ;-) > > Yea, Brian thinks it's pretty funny that I'm going to > have Roach as a last night...he thinks someone else > should have to suffer with it too. :) > > Thanks for the congrats...we're both really excited! > > Laura > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QFP0Z4015184; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:25:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QFP0Gk015180; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:25:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D416B1E.F7A60C29@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:30:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: lids... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, not going to start the right to ride brainless... I mean lidless thread. I'm talking about those cast iron lid thingers the various utility companys have scattered on the road surface. You know, the thangs that go *clankity clank* when you ride over them. This AM I'm returning from errand #37 and I spy a lid cocked up in the middle of my street. It's around 10" d. and 6" deep, siting at a 45 deg angle in the hole it's supposed to cover. This is not good. My dinky subdivision of 100 houses has a lot of M/C traffic. We could form our own patch club! So I park the truck and stroll out in the street, wondering how in hell several pounds of cast iron got knocked askew. I right the lid and drop it in place -- blue paint -- water company. A few minutes later a water company truck rolls past, circling the `hood. AHA! I'm betting he was checking access holes and got sloppy when he dropped the lid back on. Beware - the way that sucker was sitting an M/C rider would have a rather scary moment if he/she hit it. Bent rims and/or buggered tires at the minimum. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QFT0Z4015492; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:29:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QFSxrG015486; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:28:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D416C0E.296151B1@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:34:38 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX CC: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? References: <4A4E9476.4ADD175F.0C9D3659@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey...we live in a modern age. I say you make him change his last name. Mr. Granato sounds better than Mrs. Roach. hehe Or....you can hyphenate it. Mrs. Laura Granato-Roach. ;-) YIPES! I dunno, Granato-Roach sounds like one of those radiation morphed monster roachs from a sci-fi horror flick. Laura could always remain Granato. I never saw the point in a woman losing a last name anyway, now that we've progressed (I hope) from the good ol' days when wives were like property. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QFWQZ4015825; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QFWQQ3015820; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:32:22 -0700 From: To: "William J. Huson" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 And that's a good thing??? %^) On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:34:38 -0400 "William J. Huson" wrote: now that we've progressed (I hope) from the good ol' days when wives were like property. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QGMLZ4016539; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:22:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QGMK8Z016534; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:22:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:22:16 -0400 Subject: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments From: Rob Curtis To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I am in the hunt for a new bike. Looks like the financial gods have shined a bit and made it a good time to trade up from my Seca II. Just looking at the four bikes above, based mainly on price, performance, comfort and reliability. If you have, or have had, one of these bikes, I'd love to hear about your "ownership experience". Thanks Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QGSIZ4016744; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:28:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QGSIXJ016740; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:28:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.44.103.189] From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: TEA-21 reauthorization and you Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:28:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: As some of you may know, TEA-21 (the federal government's ground transportation policy blueprint) will be re-authorized next year. Here's what the Motorcycle Riders Foundation is doing to shape this legislation for the benefit of motorcyclists. http://www.mrf.org/TEA-03.php Paul in DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QGnUZ4017208; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:49:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QGnTKG017203; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:49:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726164927.8142.qmail@web11105.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments To: Rob Curtis , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rob, I haven't owned any of these bikes, but I HAVE ridden three of the four (FZ, VFR, SV) and I used to own a Seca II. SV: This would be my choice out of the four. It's cheap, handles great (if you spend a little extra on the suspension), and has a great riding position (standard SV is what I rode). As you may know, I'm thinking about getting one of these myself in a few months. You can find great used examples for around $4k and sometimes less. Trey Herb is selling one right now with 6500 miles for $3300. That's a STEAL. FZ1: Great power and very decent handling. Comfort was good. I have, however, heard first-hand of some potentially troubling mechanical issues. Might be a bit pricy since they haven't been around long. Aftermarket and support should be good since the engine comes from the R1. VFR: Good power, very comfortable. A plus is that it has a huge following and thus has a large aftermarket. I wouldn't get one myself because they don't have much character IMO but you may, of course, feel differently. Plenty of people do. I won't comment on the ZX6R since I've never ridden one, except to say that if you're interested in buying a new one you might want to wait. The word is that Kawasaki is coming out with a brand new ZX6R next year. There's a spy shot floating around the net. Build quality should also be something to think about. Suzukis have a reputation for less-than-stellar build quality, but the SV seems to be an exception. The VFR has a rep for great build quality, but does have some bugbears - Reg/Rec issues, difficult valve checks, etc. Assuming a new or well-cared-for used example, any of those bikes would probably be a fine choice, though. Chris p.s. If you get an SV you have to let me ride it, so keep that in mind as you make your choice! ;^) --- Rob Curtis wrote: > Well, I am in the hunt for a new bike. Looks like > the financial gods have > shined a bit and made it a good time to trade up > from my Seca II. Just > looking at the four bikes above, based mainly on > price, performance, comfort > and reliability. > If you have, or have had, one of these bikes, I'd > love to hear about your > "ownership experience". > > Thanks > Rob > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QGoCZ4017266; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:50:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QGoC7S017259; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:50:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.44.103.189] From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX To: Rob Curtis , Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:50:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Well, you're not going to get an unbiased opinion from me, but the VFR fills my needs pretty admirably, as an around town bike, commuter (although it's been replaced by a beater for that duty), back road "fun" bike and long distance tourer. I got a 95 with 14k miles in May of 2001; it now has 36k on it. I can ride all day and gas stop to gas stop without a break on this bike. And you won't have to stop to gs too often with a 5.5 gallon tank. It's perfectly happy being loaded up with full Givi cases. So far, the bike is pretty much been bulletproof, although the stock shock is showing its age. The engine on this bike is nearly flawless, but I'm about to do some tweaks to the suspension. I've not experienced any of the electrical gremlins that some people experience. You'll get different opinions on this, but I prefer the older (pre-98) VFRs since they're carbureted and have the straightforward braking system, i.e., non-linked brakes. I prefer to do all my own maintenance and the KISS principle works best for me. The best advice may be lurk on the various model-specific lists to get a sense for the buzz. Hope that helps, Paul in DC, 95 VFR > > From: Rob Curtis > Date: 2002/07/26 Fri PM 12:22:16 EDT > To: > Subject: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments > > Well, I am in the hunt for a new bike. Looks like the financial gods have > shined a bit and made it a good time to trade up from my Seca II. Just > looking at the four bikes above, based mainly on price, performance, comfort > and reliability. > If you have, or have had, one of these bikes, I'd love to hear about your > "ownership experience". > > Thanks > Rob > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QGtYZ4017805; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:55:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QGtYkO017801; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:55:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 26 Jul 2002 16:55:26 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bhuson@XXXXXX Cc: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: Re: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:55:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020726095526.10527.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Fri, 26 July 2002, "William J. Huson" wrote: > > YIPES! I dunno, Granato-Roach sounds like one of those > radiation morphed monster roachs from a sci-fi horror > flick. I agree! Yowzers! We talked about the whole name thing...hyphenating and such...too long and too awkward sounding. > Laura could always remain Granato. I never saw the > point in a woman losing a last name anyway, now that > we've progressed (I hope) from the good ol' days when > wives were like property. > is that also when they used the words "honor and OBEY"? :) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QGwuZ4017985; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:58:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QGwtmS017981; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:58:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa9kHIWvhvhaVPOX3a6Rht32uNGzP39v3+Pz0AyTHJrs3ir6WasgcWzRXO6ZkXqmww= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:59:07 -0400 Message-ID: <007901c234c5$c1866fd0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020726080711.25123.h009.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Importance: Normal freudian slip? -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO > Yea, Brian thinks it's pretty funny that I'm going to > have Roach as a last night... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHGmZ4018408; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:16:48 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHGl8q018400; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:16:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZQcrcOcmepbUjNWV25rRQuBaHV6Hxaok02RP3BnvKgTy6qcB2e7Vp31muFn9/68UU= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Rob Curtis'" , Subject: RE: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:16:58 -0400 Message-ID: <007a01c234c8$40574580$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal You may want to add the Suzuki Bandit 1200 to that list. Dirt cheap ($7k new). Add in an exhaust system and jet kit, and you're making serious ponies from 3.5K rpm on up. The handling is great as long as you aren't pushing the bike to its limits (which are well into the felony zone anyway). I've never had any problems keeping up with "sport bikes". If you want to drop another $1k into the bike, you can make it handle very well (gold valves, Fox shock, s/s brake lines). Downsides: Buzzy first-gen GSXR 1100 based motor. About 470lbs dry (real world wt. well over 500lbs...just like a VFR?) Upsides: Cheap. Torque by the truckload. Nearly infinite list of aftermarket parts available (perf and cosmetic). Great riding position (sit up and beg) w/ huge, wide seat. Nekkid or with fairing. --jon 01 Bandit 1200 (nekkid) Holeshot exhaust Holeshot stage II jet kit (pod filters) 5* ignition advancer GSXR intake cam -----Original Message----- From: Rob Curtis [mailto:rcurtis@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:22 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Well, I am in the hunt for a new bike. Looks like the financial gods have shined a bit and made it a good time to trade up from my Seca II. Just looking at the four bikes above, based mainly on price, performance, comfort and reliability. If you have, or have had, one of these bikes, I'd love to hear about your "ownership experience". Thanks Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHNtZ4018949; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:23:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHNt56018940; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:23:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.44.103.189] From: Paul Wilson Reply-To: pawilson@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rain rant Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:23:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Heaven help the DC Driving Dunce who gets caught in the rain during a commute. I mean, geez, it hasn't rained at morning rush hour in a whole month and wet pavement is just too weird. Yes, heaven help them, because they can't help themselves, and they make for a white-knuckle commute for a red-blooded biker. Aforementioned member of the DCDD species, no doubt addled by what's that, "omigod, water droplets on my windshield and mirrors!" can't see anything, but, what the heck, let's slide over two whole lanes anyway for that last minute exit. Quick digital reaction on my part avoided leaving a bike and rider-sized impression on his bodywork. I think he probably still hasn't figured out why that guy on the bike was honking profusely at him. Be careful out there. You're not paranoid because they really ARE out to get you. Paul in DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHUqZ4019275; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:30:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHUqir019270; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:30:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Rob Curtis cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just bought a 00 VFR, so my experience is limited to the 250 miles I've put on it this week (hopefully more this weekend). I absolutely love the bike. The V-four has power everywhere. The sound it makes is just awesome. It eats up the corners very well and stops every bit as good as my YZF600R (RIP). The linked brakes take a bit of getting used to, but it too early to give a real opinion on them. Riding position/comfort seems good (I'll know more after this weekend). Overall I love the bike. I just wish it hadn't rained so much this week. There are some good deals to be had, I found mine with 1900 miles, it was essentially new, and I didn't have to deal with the break in period, (owner bought it as a leftover in 2001, and never rode it) for $6500. As a side note, the weather channel website sucks donkey d*ck. I just quit relying on the forecast. My new policy, if its dry for the ride to work, all is good. I've missed too many days of dry riding when they guaranteed PM thundershowers. Dan On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Rob Curtis wrote: > Well, I am in the hunt for a new bike. Looks like the financial gods have > shined a bit and made it a good time to trade up from my Seca II. Just > looking at the four bikes above, based mainly on price, performance, comfort > and reliability. > If you have, or have had, one of these bikes, I'd love to hear about your > "ownership experience". > > Thanks > Rob > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHXWZ4019485; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:33:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHXUE0019466; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:33:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: Subject: RE: Rain rant Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:32:47 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <003e01c234ca$78b19fa0$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Only in DC do people pull over to the shoulder to wait for the rain to end... This morning on my street at work, someone got lucky enough to rear-end a bus. Barely damaged the car (the hood was only slightly kinked), but they were rolling people off the bus in truckloads with neck braces. How would you like to call your insuarance company and explain that! Be safe! -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Wilson [mailto:pawilson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:24 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Rain rant > > > Heaven help the DC Driving Dunce who gets caught in the rain > during a commute. I mean, geez, it hasn't rained at morning > rush hour in a whole month and wet pavement is just too > weird. Yes, heaven help them, because they can't help > themselves, and they make for a white-knuckle commute for a > red-blooded biker. > > Aforementioned member of the DCDD species, no doubt addled by > what's that, "omigod, water droplets on my windshield and > mirrors!" can't see anything, but, what the heck, let's slide > over two whole lanes anyway for that last minute exit. Quick > digital reaction on my part avoided leaving a bike and > rider-sized impression on his bodywork. I think he probably > still hasn't figured out why that guy on the bike was honking > profusely at him. > > Be careful out there. You're not paranoid because they > really ARE out to get you. > > Paul in DC > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHadZ4019875; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:36:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHacp8019871; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:36:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020726133419.02377078@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:36:36 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Rain rant In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:23 PM 7/26/2002, Paul Wilson wrote: >Be careful out there. You're not paranoid because they really ARE out to >get you. Someone on list once cautioned about the white stop lines in intersections. I had never really thought about them before that post. Now I think twice every time as I make the corner over one that is wet. This morning my back end came out hard and wide as I accelerated on to Braddock road across a stop line strip. Makes for a fun merge. Time for new tires for me too - my goal is just to wear down the edges for the next month ;-o ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHbgZ4020025; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:37:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHbgPJ020021; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:37:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain rant Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:36:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207261336301V.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And I was just looking outside at the rain. Fortunately no rain on the way in but the ride home should be interesting (at 3pm). It's been a looooonnnnnnnng time since I've ridden with no windscreen in the rain. Speaking of clueless drivers, I'm sure the guy yesterday didn't understand my index finger waggle after he flipped his cig. butt into my lane on the way home. Dumb ass. Carl On Friday 26 July 2002 13:23, Paul Wilson wrote: > Heaven help the DC Driving Dunce who gets caught in the rain during a > commute. I mean, geez, it hasn't rained at morning rush hour in a whole > month and wet pavement is just too weird. Yes, heaven help them, because > they can't help themselves, and they make for a white-knuckle commute for a > red-blooded biker. > > Aforementioned member of the DCDD species, no doubt addled by what's that, > "omigod, water droplets on my windshield and mirrors!" can't see anything, > but, what the heck, let's slide over two whole lanes anyway for that last > minute exit. Quick digital reaction on my part avoided leaving a bike and > rider-sized impression on his bodywork. I think he probably still hasn't > figured out why that guy on the bike was honking profusely at him. > > Be careful out there. You're not paranoid because they really ARE out to > get you. > > Paul in DC -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHdZZ4020667; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:39:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHdZYr020662; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:39:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <61cfa78c8f244fcba3c70661c7a5cdb5.kirk@vei.net> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Kirk Roy" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Rain rant Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:39:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id g6QHdYZ4020650 A positive note on rain: my Nolan N100E helmet works great in the rain (it's been so dry this year it's only been this week that I've used the thing in rain). It sheds rain from the visor much better than either the RF700 or R3 helmets I had previously. Kirk _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHf6Z4021074; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:41:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHf5lO021070; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:41:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA111@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:41:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How does the VFR compare to the YZF600R? -----Original Message----- From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:33 PM To: Rob Curtis Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments I just bought a 00 VFR, so my experience is limited to the 250 miles I've put on it this week (hopefully more this weekend). I absolutely love the bike. The V-four has power everywhere. The sound it makes is just awesome. It eats up the corners very well and stops every bit as good as my YZF600R (RIP). The linked brakes take a bit of getting used to, but it too early to give a real opinion on them. Riding position/comfort seems good (I'll know more after this weekend). Overall I love the bike. I just wish it hadn't rained so much this week. There are some good deals to be had, I found mine with 1900 miles, it was essentially new, and I didn't have to deal with the break in period, (owner bought it as a leftover in 2001, and never rode it) for $6500. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QHp7Z4021500; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:51:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QHp7j2021496; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:51:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 26 Jul 2002 17:50:59 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: RE: Huh? was Re: Keith Code Superbike School? X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020726105059.11252.h005.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Fri, 26 July 2002, "Jon Strang" wrote: > > freudian slip? > OMG...that is tooo funny!!!! ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QILBZ4022232; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:21:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QILAUR022226; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:21:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Rich Hall cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA111@SERVER1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Power wise, I say the VFR pulls much harder, especially through the mid range. I know on paper the YZF is a hair faster in the 1/4 but the VFR has it on the top end. I never thought the VFR's sounded good till I rode on one. The sound is intoxicating past 7k. Handling wise, I'd say the VFR is much easier to toss into a turn but less sure footed in the turn. Being as new as it is, not having put many miles on it, and the fact that most of my mojo lost is scattered somewhere on route 20 in Buckhannon, WV, I haven't really pushed it much. Maintenace wise, its a wash I think, cept for the centerstand, every bike should have one! Looks wise, hands down, the VFR wins, yellow, black wheels, single sided swing arm, polished can... ahhhh love it. Fit and finish are about the same, materials are of higher quality on the VFR, but then again MSRP is 3k higher. I didn't want to wad the YZF, planned on keeping it for a while, but now that its done with, having the ViFfeR makes it all good. Anyone interested in an almost brand new serivce manual for a YZF? Dan On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Rich Hall wrote: > How does the VFR compare to the YZF600R? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:33 PM > To: Rob Curtis > Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments > > I just bought a 00 VFR, so my experience is limited to the 250 miles I've > put on it this week (hopefully more this weekend). I absolutely love the > bike. The V-four has power everywhere. The sound it makes is just > awesome. It eats up the corners very well and stops every bit as good as > my YZF600R (RIP). The linked brakes take a bit of getting used to, but it > too early to give a real opinion on them. Riding position/comfort seems > good (I'll know more after this weekend). Overall I love the bike. I > just wish it hadn't rained so much this week. There are some good deals > to be had, I found mine with 1900 miles, it was essentially new, and I > didn't have to deal with the break in period, (owner bought it as a > leftover in 2001, and never rode it) for $6500. > > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QIjlZ4022855; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:45:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QIji51022836; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:45:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:45:34 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Aftermarket air filter question Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 My GSXR that met its fate with Bambi had a K&N air filter. My FZR has a Uni air filter. K&N uses a cotton fabric. Uni is a foam filter. My question is whether I can get away with using K&N air filter oil on my Uni air filter? I'm pretty sure I still have the K&N recharger kit (cleaner and oil) left over. If not, just means I need to make a trip to get foam air filter oil. Thanx! Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QIruZ4023162; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:53:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QIruWf023157; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:53:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZ70iatwdAz3utZCbvL7qWdkvz9h85Xo+PhGnH639BRi6SiJ6DWFbHW/1cgsdm6ty0= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Aftermarket air filter question Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: <008c01c234d5$d29e8e00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal I don't think there is any issue; all those red & tacky oils seem the same to me... Some mfg. recommend just plain ole motor oil, which makes me uncomfortable. --jon -----Original Message----- From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Aftermarket air filter question My GSXR that met its fate with Bambi had a K&N air filter. My FZR has a Uni air filter. K&N uses a cotton fabric. Uni is a foam filter. My question is whether I can get away with using K&N air filter oil on my Uni air filter? I'm pretty sure I still have the K&N recharger kit (cleaner and oil) left over. If not, just means I need to make a trip to get foam air filter oil. Thanx! Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QIxbZ4023578; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:59:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QIxbVm023574; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:59:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 26 Jul 2002 18:59:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020726185936.28879.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain rant X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Paul realized the local driving incompetence... >Heaven help the DC Driving Dunce who gets caught in the rain during a commute. I mean, geez, it hasn't rained at morning rush hour in a whole month and wet pavement is just too weird. Yes, heaven help them, because they can't help themselves, and they make for a white-knuckle commute for a red-blooded biker. [Dave] I hate cold temps, but I almost long for winter sometimes... At least when it snows, a good portion of the gubmint workers stay home... sure, some private companies have 'liberal leave', but when you use it at a private company, they look at you like you have two heads... What makes today's rain rant particularly abyssmal is the fact that it's a Friday, and there is NOTHING worse (commute wise) than a rainy Friday Rush hour around DC (unless it's a Holiday weekend, rainy, Friday Rush hour)... >Aforementioned member of the DCDD species, no doubt addled by what's that, "omigod, water droplets on my windshield and mirrors!" can't see anything, but, what the heck, let's slide over two whole lanes anyway for that last minute exit. Quick digital reaction on my part avoided leaving a bike and rider-sized impression on his bodywork. I think he probably still hasn't figured out why that guy on the bike was honking profusely at him. [Dave] The acronym is BDC, which stands for BRAIN DEAD CAGER... The 1st 2 words are operative... >Be careful out there. You're not paranoid because they really ARE out to get you. [Dave] That's what the voices have been telling me for years now, Paul... CAN'T YOU HEAR THEM !!!??? Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QJ3OZ4023999; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:03:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QJ3NRf023995; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:03:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:03:20 -0700 From: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Aftermarket air filter question Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Thanks guys. I kinda figured that the oils were either the same or very close. But I wanted to see if anyone knew otherwise. Now I hope I actually saved my K&N recharger kit! Guess what I'm doing tomorrow morning??? Matthew Patton wrote: as far as I know it's the same stuff or close enough. All the oil is supposed to do is trap dirt by virtue of being sticky. Jon Strang wrote: I don't think there is any issue; all those red & tacky oils seem the same to me... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QJAgZ4024457; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:10:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QJAfuH024451; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:10:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020726191039.76139.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:10:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Definitly the SV ;-)) Trey --- Rob Curtis wrote: > Well, I am in the hunt for a new bike. Looks like > the financial gods have > shined a bit and made it a good time to trade up > from my Seca II. Just > looking at the four bikes above, based mainly on > price, performance, comfort > and reliability. > If you have, or have had, one of these bikes, I'd > love to hear about your > "ownership experience". > > Thanks > Rob > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QJn1Z4025161; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:49:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QJmxv2025147; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:48:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.97.0.82] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rain rant Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:47:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 19:47:52.0556 (UTC) FILETIME=[543DFAC0:01C234DD] You should try living in Edinburgh Scotland. I was a biker up there for about 6 years. It rains almost non-stop all year and most of the winter is spent sliding around on ice and wet cobble stones. I was a motorcycle courier and spent about nine hours a day in that crap. I was pretty much used to it after a while, but sod doing that again. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QKZUZ4025823; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:35:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QKZUAY025818; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:35:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D41B3E5.98576AC2@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:41:09 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Aftermarket air filter question References: <008c01c234d5$d29e8e00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jon Strang wrote: > I don't think there is any issue; all those red & tacky oils seem the same > to me... > > Some mfg. recommend just plain ole motor oil, which makes me uncomfortable. > > --jon motor oil is the standard soak for foam filters on lawn care dee-vices (lawnmowers). I wouldn'tbe surprised to discover the secret red K&N oil was actually ATF. Great stuff! Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QKw5Z4026330; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:58:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QKw5Bw026323; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:58:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020726165151.00b51078@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:58:49 -0400 To: , , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: Aftermarket air filter question In-Reply-To: <008c01c234d5$d29e8e00$070312ac@ddlomni.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Oh boy -- another oil thread! Both companies sell heavy mineral oils enhanced with "special polymers" (K&N) or "non drying glue agents" (Unifilter Filter Fix oil). Cage racers I've known have used them interchangeably; some have even been known to use heavy mineral oil straight from the drug store, which has seemed to do fine if you clean and re-oil pretty frequently (say, once a month or once per race weekend). -- Larry At 02:54 PM 7/26/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >I don't think there is any issue; all those red & tacky oils seem the same >to me... > >Some mfg. recommend just plain ole motor oil, which makes me uncomfortable. > >--jon > >-----Original Message----- >From: cvkgpena@XXXXXX [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:46 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Aftermarket air filter question > > >My GSXR that met its fate with Bambi had a K&N air filter. My FZR has a Uni >air filter. K&N uses a cotton fabric. Uni is a foam filter. My question >is >whether I can get away with using K&N air filter oil on my Uni air filter? >I'm pretty sure I still have the K&N recharger kit (cleaner and oil) left >over. If not, just means I need to make a trip to get foam air filter oil. >Thanx! > >Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QLgGZ4026996; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:42:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QLgGhq026991; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:42:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <025601c234ed$f1ef98e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: Rain rant Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:41:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Oh, the rain doesn't bother me (no plants to water tonight, yippee!). It's the morons that start playing bumper cars whenever the pavement gets damp that bug me. There were three fender benders on the SW freeway this morning. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Spong" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Rain rant > You should try living in Edinburgh Scotland. I was a biker up there for > about 6 years. It rains almost non-stop all year and most of the winter is > spent sliding around on ice and wet cobble stones. I was a motorcycle > courier and spent about nine hours a day in that crap. > > I was pretty much used to it after a while, but sod doing that again. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6QN2HZ4027973; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:02:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6QN2G55027965; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:02:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000d01c234f1$eedfc400$f0764e0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Battery woes; V-Rod demoing Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:15:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 It's the simple stuff. Destined for Annapolis, I hit the starter for the first time in a few days. Uunn-rrn, uunn-rrn. Uh oh. Been there and prefer not to return. To cut to the point -- *very luckily* was able to start on a retry, made it to A.., parked on parking lot slope, bought distilled water and wrenched to the battery. Then came the surprise. Not only was the water level very low as suspected (summer heat?), but two of the cell screwcaps had popped their tops (found one in a frame corner) and one of those cell levels was down by inches. It looked like havoc had struck but this bike is driven and parked benignly (never a rodent seen). And I'd personally topped off the b..y in April prior to MSF-ERC. Befuddling. However after filling, stuffing the cap holes, and unwrenching, all has gone well (several restart tests). New caps are needed and I ended up inquiring of Yuasa custsvc. Very courteously they are mailing some gratis. But the point they made was "Don't even use a screwdriver. Thumb and finger are sufficient to tighten them. Even mild overtightening can be disastrous." Which mildness is what must have happened to me, disastrously. Hope not to other listers. ********* I did make one stop afterward at HD Annapolis, thinking they might have caps (no luck). But in the visit found out that they, and they said most other HD dealers, now have V-Rods on demo as a more or less current standing policy. Call first is good bet. ********* I'm impressed. For the first time I noticed prominent Abate of Maryland office signs at 8 West Street just off Church Circle. Prime diggings in that capital city, if indeed their habitat. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Caps popping in my innards? Pardon my burp. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6R0RsZ4028894; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:27:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6R0Rr4P028886; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:27:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:24:10 -0400 Subject: Summit CCS Schedule Change in October Message-ID: <20020726.202410.-91038077.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-9,11,13,15 From: Tom Fitzpatrick The CCS race scheduled for September has been cancelled. It was supposed to be the inaugural bike event on the Shenandoah Circuit. To keep track of almost all Summit Point events, try bookmarking http://www.marrc.org, and then bookmarking the link to the actual Summit Point page (BSR something, I believe). To keep track of CCS, bookmark http://www.ccsracing.com Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6R1hxZ4029609; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:43:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6R1hw86029600; Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:43:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-id: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:43:09 -0400 Subject: Re: Battery woes; V-Rod demoing To: mobacc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: <000d01c234f1$eedfc400$f0764e0c@micron> In-Reply-To: <000d01c234f1$eedfc400$f0764e0c@micron> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > New caps are needed and I ended up inquiring >of Yuasa custsvc. Very courteously they are mailing some gratis. I keep a bag of old caps from recycled batteries. They are available if any of you need a couple. I'm near the Zoo, which is not convenient for Md/Va riders but I'd think dealerships there would have some to give away also. --garcia "I Don't Want Your Body If Your Heart's Not In It." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6RDtvZ4001242; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:55:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6RDtri2001221; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:55:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f To: pattonme@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:41:32 -0400 Subject: Correction!!!!r - Re: Summit CCS Schedule Change in October Message-ID: <20020727.095111.-613205.0.CelticRacing@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4,13-16,18-41,43,45,47 From: Tom Fitzpatrick As Matthew pointed out, my subject line was right, but my message content was wrong. September is on as scheduled. October is cancelled. Right now, Summit Point has two circuits, the main circuit and the Jefferson Circuit. It has been pursuing a third circuit, the Shenandoah Circuit, and it was supposed to be completed this year. There were a lot of negotiations with the locals about noise and stuff, but I believe that those had been resolved. I don't know if the circuit will or will not be done, like Rausch Creek, but I do know that the race has been cancelled. For the latest, definitive information, keep up with the CCS website at http://www.ccsracing.com, through which you can also contact Kevin Elliott, the CCS National Race Director. Tom On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:18:01 -0700 (PDT) matthew patton writes: > > --- Tom Fitzpatrick wrote: > > The CCS race scheduled for September has been cancelled. > > No, the October engagement was canceled according to CCS RAcing. Or > do > you have info they don't? > > > to be the inaugural bike event on the Shenandoah Circuit. > > What is this circuit? I've never heard of it nor seen any reference > to > track layout or anything. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > Tom Fitzpatrick CCS#80'6 (www.celticracing.com) Sponsors: *Fast Lane Cycles - fastlanecycles@XXXXXX (703)818-8890 (www.fastlanecycles.com) *Barnacle Bill's Racing Leathers - barnacle@XXXXXX (www.racingleather.com) *N&B Racing Racer Web Sites - rchapin@XXXXXX (www.nbracesites.com) *Janet Bell TAX Prep (belljan@XXXXXX)*Ohlins USA(828)692-4525 mike.watt@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6REOSZ4001667; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:24:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6REORjf001663; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:24:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <130.11e74808.2a740713@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:24:19 EDT Subject: Re: Aftermarket air filter question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/26/2002 2:45:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > My question is > whether I can get away with using K&N air filter oil on my Uni air filter? No. When foam filters first came out you just used motor oil on them*, it ran down to the bottom of the filter and dripped off. We started using 90w gear oil and that helped, but it still ran down. Then they invented the very sticky "foam filter oil" that is used now, it works much better. When K&N first came out they used transmission oil, and they still do, just repackaged. Nothing wrong with that it stays put fine on K&N filters. BUT! transmission oil is much thinner then motor oil, it will run off foam filters leaving very little on the filter where you need it to trap and hold dirt. Filter oil is cheap, I would just buy some (if I did not have some in my garage already) *Per instructions. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6REWhZ4001998; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:32:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6REWhlJ001993; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:32:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <175.bf7d972.2a740903@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 10:32:35 EDT Subject: Re: Battery woes; V-Rod demoing To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/26/2002 7:02:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mobacc@XXXXXX writes: > but two > of the cell screwcaps had popped their tops The dealers have _hundreds_ of the damn thing laying around, from or on dead batteries, hell I think I have some around here if you need one _now_. By the way, check your breather tube, it could be pinched or clogged (unlikely, but worth checking.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6RHPsZ4003108; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:25:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6RHPpUO003097; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:25:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D42D5A0.6090505@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:17:20 -0400 From: Chuck and Karen Pena Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Aftermarket air filter question References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020726165151.00b51078@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I happened to be in the vicinity of Crossroads Cycles this morning, so stopped by and picked up a can of Motul spray-on oil specifically for foam air filters. It will probably outlast the FZR! Pulled the air filter when I got home, cleaned it (using Simple Green, which the Unifilter website said was OK to use for cleaning), and it's now drying as we speak (type). As soon as it's dry, I'll be spraying it with oil. Again, thanks for all the various words of wisdom. Chuck Larry Larson wrote: > Oh boy -- another oil thread! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6RI9MZ4003669; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:09:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6RI9MQN003664; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:09:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <008501c23599$4fba8f10$0500a8c0@ELECTRAGLIDE> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Headlight Modulation Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:13:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Do any members of this list use Headlight Modulation systems on their motorcycles? If so, what are the benefits that you derive from using these devices? What are the disadvantages from using these devices? If you use one, have you ever been pulled over by the police? What was the outcome? Any information about Headlight Modulation systems is appreciated. Kathleen Loerich _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6RIHGZ4003988; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:17:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6RIHGmg003982; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:17:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <017d01c23599$f7f9b200$9e9c3bd0@dtscomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 14:18:11 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Rob, I had a 94' VFR, '98 VFR, SV and now own an FZ1. I am not sure what you are looking for, but I love the FZ1. I liked the VFR also, but the FZ is much better on acceleration and top speed, cornering is about the same and the FZ has more comfortable ergo's. I am feeling my age and my body really likes to sit up and stretch out more than the VFR gives. The SV is a wonderful bike with a little suspension work and for the price it is hard to beat. It is a little on the small side for 2-up riding and also for me (6'1, 230lbs). . The SV is more of a fun weekend, daily commuter bike, but I don't know if I would want to take it on a long trip. Also you have to look at the engine configurations, these 3 are all different and give different result. If you love the scream of an inline 4 then the FZ is the bike for you, if you like the V4 sound which is unique then that is a thought, as for the SV, the little V-twin is a blast to ride. I never had any problems with any of the 3 bikes and ride/rode them pretty hard, but keep/kept the oil changed and maintenance well. For price, the SV is a really good buy at about $5300 out the door, the FZ1 can be had new for about $8k out the door and the VFR is up around $9k out the door if you are willing to shop around and have the right buyer's mind-set. Comfort, for me, the FZ1 is the winner, VFR with heli's 2nd and the SV third because of its small size. Performance the FZ1 wins hands down in my opinion, the SV just doesn't have enough motor for my riding wants, and the VFR is in between. Reliability, I would have to say by reputation the VFR would win, but it is a bit complicated and sophisticated technologically and could be more expensive over the long haul. The SV is the most easy to maintain and the FZ also is easy on maintenance; I wouldn't necessary put either of them below the VFR in reliability except by company reputation. I do all of my buying and (if needed) work with Blalock Cycles so that narrows it down to a Honda or Yamaha for me. I am happy with them also. Between the 3 you probably couldn't make a bad choice. Hope this helps, if you have any specific questions let me know. Good luck. Danny '98 VTR (For Sale) '02 FZ1 '02 XR250R. CSBA #150 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shenvalleywarrenton.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Curtis To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments > Well, I am in the hunt for a new bike. Looks like the financial gods have > shined a bit and made it a good time to trade up from my Seca II. Just > looking at the four bikes above, based mainly on price, performance, comfort > and reliability. > If you have, or have had, one of these bikes, I'd love to hear about your > "ownership experience". > > Thanks > Rob > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/02 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6RNqtZ4006286; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:52:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6RNqsEP006275; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:52:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001d01c235c8$2dcf8020$09362c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: EazyRizer Lift for Sale Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:48:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 http://www.bikelift.com/eazyrizer.htm I am leaving the country soon and have no need for it anymore. In addition to the lift (comes with wheel mounts), I also have the additional: Ducati Multi-Mount Set: http://www.bike-lift.com/ducati_popup.htm V-Twin Sport/Superbike Multi-mount Set: http://www.bike-lift.com/v_twin_popup.htm Security Lock Drill Socket Adapter Asking $450. The whole set delivered is $575 un-assembled, so I think this is a fair price. The lift is lime-green (if that matters to you) Todd (Springfield, VA) 703-644-2695 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6S2W2Z4007232; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:32:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6S2W10Y007220; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:32:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002301c235de$abfd20e0$d7765b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Battery woes Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:29:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Thanks, Garcia and John. Yes, it surprised me when Annapolis HD said they didn't have any (at least in parts), and I was anxious to move. A battery store said come back in a couple of days. Coleman's service said come on in, but then Yuasa mail came in looking darned handy. However, if these don't pan out . . .. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Just use road tar from under the fender and a couple of old earplugs. Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6S42gZ4008025; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:02:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6S42fsr008016; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:02:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D436D1D.5000D97@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 00:03:41 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: The Suzuki Owners Club - U.S.A. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments References: <017d01c23599$f7f9b200$9e9c3bd0@dtscomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, Can you wait for September? That's when the Dealer Announcements come out for Suzuki. One rumor I heard, that might be in the pipeline, is an SV1000. Now wouldn't that be sweet?! Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6S6e4Z4009039; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 02:40:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6S6e3pv009030; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 02:40:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [165.247.87.168] From: "Pierre C" To: dthompso1@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 07:38:55 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2002 06:38:55.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[72246450:01C23601] I currently own a honda vfr. I bought it 6 months ago and rode it for 14K miles already, including a trip to montana. I live downtown washington dc, and rely on the two wheels for everything i do, including drkinking a cappuccino and reading the newspaper (when i go to a coffee store to do so). For that reason, i have always been an admiror of the FZ1. I test rode the FZ1 and was very dissatisfied with the bike: it lost most of its points for me. the bike vibrates pretty much everywhere on the tacho, including the 5k-7K rpms range, which is where i do most of my rides. The sit-up position is ok, but i wasn't very happy with it either. The ergos of a vfr are very comfortable i think when you use a corbin seat, and with that sitting position it's just much more comfort to be in a curve, in the rain, or on the highway. I was also very surprised and asked myself where the hell were all those HP in the FZ1 (about 140HP). The vfr has only about a hundred of those, but the power grunts a lot more vibrantly to keep the spirits up when riding. Personally i don't give a damn abot the sound of an engine, and so i won't say a word about that. Riding the FZ1 made me only appreciate more the VFR 98 that i have. Maintenance on a vfr isn't that hard, it's very forgiving, as long as you are precise at least with the oil changes, filters cleaning/changing, chain adjustment. Perhaps at times you need to clean up the connections more often than you wish, and that's the only downside of a vfr. But mine never ever got me stranded, not even in very long hauls. The only bike that made me wish i was a rich man to buy it was the Ducati ST4. The st2 is downright a piece of crap (i mean, i didn't like it! i am sorry for those on here who own one). the ST4 is THE fun machine, but then maintenance is a pain in the neck with the desmodromic valves, or so i think. I also test rode a triumph st (yeah, basically i am a fan of sport touring bikes). I never rode so many other bikes that I would love to ride: the aprilia futura, the ZX6E, the YZF the F4i (because 600CC are more than enough when they deliver a 100HP, especally when the bike is about 80 pounds lighter). There are aslo the R10150R and the K1200RS thtat i would like to test ride, but I don't have the money for the germans, besides, they tend to be on the heavy weights side, and trust me weight IS an issue. Triumphs don't inspire me at all. But it's true that the SV650 is a bike that no one can be wrong about with buying it. It's so much stuff for the money, and so much fun too. I hear plenty of people ride them on tracks. Perhaps you should also take a look to all around bikes like the Caponord Aprilia, the R1150GS and the Tiger (since you guys in the US don't import Navigators, and so many other such bikes). Well, motorcycles are so much fun! if you got the money, buy an ST4! it's a great ride, so much fun, so much power everywhere, so much drivability, great handling (it just feels so tiny between your legs--and that's a quality!). Oh well.... look on ebay. I see they sell all types of bikes for just SO MUCH cheaper there. Have fun buying man! Pierfrancesco Honda vfr 98 Washington DC DOWNTOWN _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6SCm5Z4023403; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:48:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6SCm4vm023395; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:48:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:47:45 -0400 Subject: Headlight modulators From: Bob McKeithen To: DC Cycles Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have been using the modulator from Kisan for several years. After some research I chose the Kisan because it simply plugs in between the headlight plug and the bulb--no need to invade the wiring harness. I also have their unit on my brake light. I have noticed that the headlight modulator does attract attention. On many occasions I have observed the driver of a car sitting waiting to enter from the right do a double or triple take in my direction. Several times I have had drivers pull over to the shoulder to let me pass on two lane roads. Similar effect on multi-lane roads. I try to turn it off if for some reason I am going to be following for more than a minuet or two and while waiting behind another vehicle at traffic lights. I don't think the modulator is a cure all for our lack of visibility, but coupled with a reflective vest it does improve my odds. Since I ride about 25K miles per year I figure any slight tilt in my favor can't hurt. In traveling through states from the East Coast to the West Coast I have never been stopped and have had no hassle at yearly vehicle inspections. YMMV Bob McKeithen _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6SFuJZ4024332; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:56:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6SFuIif024319; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:56:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002c01c2364e$b20c6160$773d2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Hey, I'm selling some books too! Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:51:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Storm: A Motorcycle Journey of Love, Endurance and Transformation. - Allen Noren $12.00 hardback "It's clear reading Allen Noren's haunting travel memoir, Storm: A Motorcycle Journey Around the Baltic Sea, that some trips just weren't meant to be. Yet take a really good writer, expose him to adverse conditions, toss in tragically bad weather, and what do you get? In this case, a beautifully written, stirring story that gets better and better as the journey worsens." - Amazon Rvw. - Condition: used but in new condition - The book made me wonder just why this guy insisted on dragging his grilfriend around the baltics considering the wx Against the Clock - Ron Ayres $12.00 - Ron Ayers account of his record setting travel through the continental united states and Alaska. - Louis Caplan and Leon Begeman are featured in photographs too!! Wow! - Condition: used but in new condition Against the Wind - Ron Ayres $12.00 - Ron Ayers account of his stumble into the LDRider community that resulted in his first Iron Butt 11-day rally - Condition: used but in new condition The Perfect Vehicle: What it is about Motorcycles - Melissa Holbrook Pierson $15.00 hardback - Poetic justice for our sport. - Condition: used but in new condition Twist of the Wrist: II - Keith Code $12.00 - Save your track dollars and buy this book - Condition: used and looks it. Sportbiking: The Real World (The Advanced Riders Handbook) - Gary S. Jaehne $12.00 - This is a very cool book about street survival tactics. It has a bonus section about rain-riding. - Condition: used, a little dog-eared I can mail any one of these items to you, but then you will have to pay the shipping and hassling costs. I live in Springfield, VA, locally to most of you, so consider "riding" over to buy these motorcycle related tombs. Todd (Springfield, VA) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6SHTaZ4025284; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:29:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6SHTWTF025265; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 13:29:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020728172930.39725.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 10:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > bike is about 80 pounds lighter). There are aslo the R10150R and the > K1200RS thtat i would like to test ride, but I don't have the money I wouldn't take one even if they gave it to me unless it came with carbs so I could rip the thing apart and jet the lean-surging out of existance. I've test-ridden several BMW's to date and the modern ones are getting progressively worse. BTW if you want to test ride, go to Morton's down in Fredericksburg. I was there this past Sat to show a returning rider some BMW's because that's what he rode 30 years ago. He was very non-plussed and I was frankly annoyed with the actual riding experience. Great suspension, highly-dumb control placement, probably great motor but the worst FI I have ever had the misfortune to experience. The thing surged and bucked and died and surged at any RPM in any gear and any throttle opening that wasn't more than 1/2. And even over 1/2 throttle the FI was uneven, just not quite so noticable in an accelleration run. The surging existed on both the R1150 series and the F650's. It was mindboggling bad. And it was somehow worse from when I last rode some BMW's over a year ago. I remember how Triumph caught a load of abuse over the FI on the TT600 which I have also ridden back in it's early FI days. And I've ridden a small sample of stock bikes from the Japanese, but BMW takes the crown has having the worst possible fuel delivery. And the factory dares to deny it. I might as well have been handed a set of spurs and cowboy boots. There are bmw riders here so I have to know. Have you personally had to rejet the carbs to fix the problem once and for all or do you take your bike to a non-BMW dealer to get it's FI reprogrammed? It's not like BMW engineers don't know how to do their job and the factory wants to make a stab at world-class racing. So the skill/knowledge is definately there. I am flumuxed how it is that BMW sells even a single unit. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6SIaoZ4025795; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:36:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6SIanK6025787; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 14:36:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020728183647.91686.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 11:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020728172930.39725.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: >.... BTW if you want to > test ride, go to > Morton's down in Fredericksburg. ...The thing surged > and bucked and died and surged at any RPM > in any gear and any throttle opening that wasn't > more than 1/2. .... The surging existed on both > the R1150 series > and the F650's. Matthew, I've test ridden most of the current Bimmers twice each at Bob's and at Battley in the past six months, as well as another dealer down in Atlanta, and haven't noticed any bucking and surging (let alone dying) on even one bike (crude, primitive, buzzy, chassis-torqueing twins, yes, but that's another matter 8;). Your experiencs seems more like a litany of reasons to *not* visit Morton's: sounds like either they don't bother to keep their test bikes set up properly, or don't know how to set up a BMW, period. -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6SKLeZ4026363; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:21:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6SKLdEj026356; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:21:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <001601c23674$5a347a10$a93f9d40@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: "AA DC Cycles" References: <002c01c2364e$b20c6160$773d2c42@c9rnf01> Subject: Re: Hey, I'm selling some books too! Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 16:21:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > you, so consider "riding" over to buy these motorcycle related tombs. Some nice books, but nothing that I'm dying to have... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6SMV9Z4027089; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:31:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6SMV66Q027070; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:31:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 18:33:40 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fun stuff on 33W past Harrisonburg Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you are heading out on 33 going west before the next good rain storm, watch out. I was heading up the mountain, noticed some wet looking stuff in the middle of the road. I tried to stay out of it but at one point had to cross it. Did a nice little fish tail on it. Turns out, at the top of the mountain a white Ford Taurus had lost its tranny. This stuff goes from the base of the mountain all the way up, its a jungle out there, be careful! Dan -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6SNfFZ4028137; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:41:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6SNfDaG028121; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:41:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020728193740.029e0d30@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:41:01 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Southern Maryland HAs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10911-2002Jul27.html "For nearly 20 years, John Beal, a gruff-voiced tattoo parlor owner, was just a guy who liked big, loud motorcycles -- nothing out of the ordinary in North Beach, a Chesapeake Bay town where biker clubs are like the Rotary in other towns. But a year and a half ago, Beal and a dozen or so friends startled law enforcement officers when they broke away from a Southern Maryland motorcycle club and began the process they hope will make them Maryland's first chapter of the Hells Angels." Article has interesting info on the HAs and the Pagans. I didn't think they were active around here. Not going to help the motorcyclists image in the area - especially the cruiser crowd. Apparently MD has 63,471 registered motorcycles. Wow! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6T3jLZ4029352; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:45:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6T3jKQK029342; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:45:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [165.247.105.17] From: "Pierre C" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: pattonme@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 04:45:12 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2002 03:45:13.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[582EB5D0:01C236B2] Regarding the beemers, yes, i know shops are open at giving the bikes out for test rides, and i will go test ride them soon. I just wanted to add how much i loved the dry clutch on the ducati. It's like you have a horse with red pepper in the butt: as soon as you release the clutch you have the full torque right on the back wheel. NOW i understand why ducati goest through the pain of installing dry clutches that have more complex and convoluted life spans than wet clutches. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6T3oZZ4029535; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:50:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6T3oYfv029528; Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:50:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Cc: "'Chris Weaver'" , "'Paul Wilson'" , "'Jon Strang'" , "'dan'" , "'Rich Hall'" , "'Trey Herb'" , "'Danny Thompson'" , "'Steven C. Di Pietro'" , "'Pierre C'" , "'matthew patton'" , "'Larry Larson'" Subject: Open Mike Is Closed- I Stole an SVs Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c236b3$1e544400$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Thanks guys for all your $0.02 (more like $0.22 combined...)! After looking for a couple of days on Ebay, Cycletrader and a host of other bike specific message boards I came across an ad last night that "spoke to me." It was for a Red '01 SV650s near Richmond, 2 months old, 300 miles, with cover, jacket, helmets... $4800. Well I sat on my hands and waited to ride Steve Miller's SV to make sure I liked them. After a Sunday AM jaunt to Clifton on Steve's SV I was ready to sign-up. I called down and spoke with a great woman who said she bought the bike because she liked riding on the back of her boyfriend's Habayusa... Turns out she was frighted by the Lil twin and decided to count her blessings, and not her money, and get what she could for it. I initiated the haggling over the phone by saying, " I know you've listed the bike for $4800, but if I am going to drive all the way down I'd like to be up front and..." At this point she cut me off and simply said, "I'll take $4k." To which I smartly replied, "I'll be there in Two hours." I jumped in the truck, swung by the bank to withdraw $500 for a deposit while she waited for the check to clear (yes, I said check. She took a check!) Picked up Steve Miller and headed down. The whole way in the back of my head I kept thinking it was just too good... We got there and Steve was looking at the bike and says, "Hey, there are spools on it!" Julia, the owner, says, "yeah I got this stand thingy with it, I'll give that and the cover to him, too..." I just grinned...And I'm still grinning. All this is by way of an apology for missing BikeNight, but hey, can you blame me? Thanks again, guys. I'm going to digest up all your comments and post them on my Seca II list as advice for guys looking to upgrade as I have. Rob Curtis Senior Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ "To be persuasive, we must be believable. To be believable, we must be credible. To be credible, we must be truthful." Edward R. Murrow _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6T453Z4029804; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:05:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6T451po029794; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:05:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.44.126.36] From: "Marc Washington" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Span Yellow JR Ballistic 3.0 jacket Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:03:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2002 04:03:54.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4681430:01C236B4] Selling Yellow Ballisitc 3.0 Jacket. Worn about a HALF season, never been down. Good rain/winter jacket with insert. Looking for 90.00 but will take any reasonble offer. Check out www.joerocket.com to see the jacket. I'll delever in the DC metropolitan area. PS Nice meeting a few of few of you at Jed's, sorry couldn't stay long, just wanted to put some faces to names. Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6T6o4Z4030689; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:50:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6T6o3AI030680; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:50:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [66.44.126.36] From: "Marc Washington" To: pattonme@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Span Yellow JR Ballistic 3.0 jacket Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:48:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2002 06:48:56.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[02C18360:01C236CC] Yeah it might be useful.... It's a large it fit's me well. I'm 5'10 190. It's a little snugger with the zip in linning though >From: matthew patton >To: Marc Washington >Subject: Re: Span Yellow JR Ballistic 3.0 jacket >Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 23:35:09 -0700 (PDT) > >sizing datapoint would be nice to have... > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com Marc Washington 88' Honda Hawk _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TBSoZ4032570; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:28:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TBSlBq032550; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:28:47 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: Subject: About last night Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Sorry that I missed you all at bike night last night. I was just about to get the bike going and the wife went into one of her moments. I could have gone at that point but in the words of the movie Officer and a Gentlemen "I got no where to go". Hopefully I will be able to make the next one but the Maryland Renaissance weekend performances slowly approach in August. Maybe we can have a DC Cycles day at the Maryland Renaissance Festival. Nice drive down Rt. 450. Scott R. Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TBWXZ4032742; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:32:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TBWXZ6032735; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:32:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020729073052.00b38740@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:32:24 -0400 To: From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Open Mike Is Closed- I Stole an SVs In-Reply-To: <000201c236b3$1e544400$6401a8c0@cypher> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:50 PM 7/28/2002 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: Wow! What a great deal! Sounds like you got a fantastic deal! Congrats! Just remember you're doing the breakin! See you on the road. -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TCDXZ4000602; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:13:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TCDX3J000598; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:13:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <199.a792cb3.2a768b69@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:13:29 EDT Subject: Re: Headlight Modulation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/27/2002 2:09:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX writes: > If you use one, have you ever been pulled over by the police? What was the > outcome? Headlight modulators are legal in all 50 states by Federal mandate. If a cop stops you tell em to go to hell. (Nicely of course.) John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TCE5Z4000650; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:14:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TCE4mf000637; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:14:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1ad.5d7a05c.2a768b88@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:14:00 EDT Subject: Re: Rented a Harley To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/25/2002 11:01:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wayne@XXXXXX writes: > I assume given their _weight_ and laid back > seating, they handle well in poor weather conditions(?). Weight ALWAYS works to your DISadvantage! Any gain in traction is overpowered by increased demand on traction*. Tires, tire condition, proper tire pressure, and rider skill are far more important. *Otherwise tractor trailers could stop on a dime. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TCEKZ4000818; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:14:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TCEKSa000814; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:14:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1a7.5d53b68.2a768b94@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:14:12 EDT Subject: Re: Bike stolen, Laurel area To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/25/2002 4:02:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Plus, it's not a big leap from several thousand dollars worth of theft to > violent crimes... Only if one of us catches him. John. PenguinBiker@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TCUeZ4001274; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:30:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TCUdm7001264; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:30:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4536BE.F42231@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:36:14 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike stolen, Laurel area References: <1a7.5d53b68.2a768b94@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/25/2002 4:02:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sdave@XXXXXX writes: > > > Plus, it's not a big leap from several thousand dollars worth of theft to > > violent crimes... > > Only if one of us catches him. ACK! I can't believe that you are implying the use of violence on bike-stealer! That is is so distasteful, so barabaric! However, I could see myself calling the police and *detaining* a perp who attempted to steal my bike (hefting genuine white ash Louisville slugger) This might involve whacking out both thier knees so they couldn't hop away (taking a few test swings with Ol' Boomer) and maybe a few ribs if they tried to crawl away. But violence - eeyew! I'm a peace luving guy! Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TCdIZ4001469; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:39:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TCdIj1001465; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:39:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86.1df5d5a3.2a769170@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:39:12 EDT Subject: Re: Bike stolen, Laurel area To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/29/2002 8:30:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > ACK! I can't believe that you are implying the use of violence on > bike-stealer! I did not _imply_ anything sir! > That is is so distasteful, so barabaric! However, I could > see > myself calling the police and *detaining* a perp Detain first! Then call the cops whenever you have the time, I mean you would not want to skip lunch or anything would you? > violence - eeyew! I'm a peace luving guy! > Bill Hey, I am all for making them peaceful... real peaceful. That way I would have time to eat lunch, or whatever before I call the cops. John (Damn I hate thieves) W. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TCidZ4001671; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:44:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TCicHV001666; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:44:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 29 Jul 2002 12:44:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20020729124436.8859.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Headlight Modulation X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) John advised - >In a message dated 7/27/2002 2:09:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX writes: >> If you use one, have you ever been pulled over by the police? What was the >> outcome? >Headlight modulators are legal in all 50 states by Federal mandate. If a cop >stops you tell em to go to hell. [Dave] w/o bothering to look it up, one of the local states has some weird wording in their statute such that if the lights are (some weird wording like) 'mesmerizing' or dazzling effect, etc... that *COULD* be applied to a headlight modulator. And maybe it should be a violation. 99.9% of traffic enforcement is revenue generating bull$h!t done by people who just don't care about anything but getting their 8 hours of pay for their 20 year retirement... Nevertheless, much like lights on the tops of tow trucks, ambulances, fire trucks & police vehicles, the headlight modulators have a somewhat 'distracting' or hypnotic effect making them harder to 'ignore' once you've spotted them. I'm not sure I like the idea of a non biker aware motorist spending a few quality seconds checking out a modulating headlight... just my (probably minority) opinion, nothing more... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TCx5Z4001963; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:59:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TCx5JH001958; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:59:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007001c23700$06dbf000$6ee2c943@k1100rs> From: "Jeff Hughes" To: Subject: Re: Open Mike- FZ1/VFR/ ZX-6r/SV650s Comments Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:01:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Matthew wrote, regarding the R1150R and K1200RS: << I wouldn't take one even if they gave it to me unless it came with carbs so I could rip the thing apart and jet the lean-surging out of existance. I've test-ridden several BMW's to date and the modern ones are getting progressively worse. >> LOL! That's funny. Glad to see such astute commentary is able to emerge out of a periodic "test ride". The so-called surging issue on BMW's (not to deny it's existence - certainly a large number of BMW owners continue to experience it) is not a an issue in the K-line. The K1200RS, whatever other faults one might attribute to it, does not have a surging problem. As Larry notes, I would suggest that your experience lies more in the realm of a poorly setup bike, than to an inherent defect. That said, Morton's is a quality dealer and I'm sure would happily take care of any problems pointed out to them. Bob's, over in Jessup, is also an excellent dealer. Not to defend BMW (or Triumph or anyone else), but as a general comment on FI - it's been my experience that most early-generation FI was pretty crappy. Even today, there are actually very few FI bikes which work as well as a well-carbureted model. When I bought my GSX-R1000 last year it was the first FI bike I ever rode which I thought was finally there - as good as carburetion. By the reports I hear, some bikes, like this year's 954, are better yet. Maybe the manufacturers are finally getting it right. The march of progress continues, albeit not always in a straight line. Jeff (who likes his FI when he gets to those big ole mountains... ;-) 98 K1200RS 01 GSX-R1000 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TD10Z4002008; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:01:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TD10Wa002003; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:01:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729130046.17895.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Re: Headlight Modulation To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020729124436.8859.qmail@server445.gisol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > And maybe it should be a violation. 99.9% of > traffic enforcement is revenue generating bull$h!t > done by people who just don't care about anything > but getting their 8 hours of pay for their 20 year > retirement... Hey, screw you. I work 13 hour shifts. I gotta do something to stay awake. :^) ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TD9wZ4002372; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:09:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TD9vmY002366; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 29 Jul 2002 13:09:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20020729130956.22842.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Re: Headlight Modulation X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: xn90.emc.com (168.159.1.90) Toddw corrects - >Hey, screw you. I work 13 hour shifts. I gotta do >something to stay awake. :^) [Dave] 13 !? BLEH! NO Wonder you guys are such poor drivers! :-0 Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TDDOZ4002430; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:13:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TDDOlU002423; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:13:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729131319.26581.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:13:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: How was Bike Night? To: DC Cycles , Charles Pena MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck and everyone. Sorry I missed Bike Night but traffic back from the beach was horrible. How was it?? Mark ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TDEdZ4002602; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:14:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TDEc9w002597; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:14:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729131436.38599.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Span Yellow JR Ballistic 3.0 jacket To: Marc Washington , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Size? -- Larry --- Marc Washington wrote: > > Selling Yellow Ballisitc 3.0 Jacket. Worn about a > HALF season, never been > down. Good rain/winter jacket with insert. > > Looking for 90.00 but will take any reasonble offer. > > Check out www.joerocket.com to see the jacket. > > I'll delever in the DC metropolitan area. > > PS Nice meeting a few of few of you at Jed's, sorry > couldn't stay long, just > wanted to put some faces to names. > > > Marc Washington > 88' Honda Hawk > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN > Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TDExZ4002639; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:14:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TDEwal002633; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:14:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <99407664A0A7D511AD9900508BB0FB03437E30@XCGVA030> From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: WDGAH VI for VFRs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 06:14:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Time to start gathering up a VA/MD/DC VFR contingent for WDGAH VI on 6-8 Sep in West Lebanon, NH. I'll volunteer to organize the group and develop the rider list. The organizers of the event are working a web page but don't have it up yet. In the interim, the following link will give you all the info available to-date. http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archive/vfr/200207/msg00996.html If interested, contact me off-list. Steve 97 VFR Warrenton, VA _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TDO0Z4003118; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:24:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TDO0fd003113; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:24:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B937@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Phoenix Jacket report Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:28:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >From SabMag Location: south of the Dragon The good news: "Joe Rocket mesh jacket works as advertised" "The Joe Rocket jacket worked perfectly. " "I have a little grass stain on my elbow, and that's it. I have spots of road rash from my left butt cheek to my left knee. Otherwise I'm rash-free." The bad: "As for me, I have a broken pelvis." Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 19:34:11 -0400 From: Jack Hunt Subject: Jack does a Joey I have messed up. Scratch that. *I* am messed up. This may be rambling or disjointed. I'm on some very good meds. I had ridden about 220 miles on Saturday and I was within 5 miles of home when I rounded a left hand turn to find an oncoming vehicle in my lane, and one in the other lane as well. There was nowhere to go, so that's where I went. I braked as hard as possible and stayed on the tarmac as long as I could, but I had to leave the roadway to avoid a head-on collision. I am happy to report that the Joe Rocket mesh jacket works as advertised. I have NO injury above the waist. I would have much less injury below the waist if I had been wearing the matching pants, but I had taken them off when I ate lunch and I didn't put them back on, relying on heavy weight blue jeans. Dumbass. I slid through gravels, grass, and leaves, stopping about 8 feet off the roadway and about 3 feet below it. After determining that I was not dead, I took inventory and didn't have any immediate pain. I removed my helmet, gloves, and glasses. About that time onlookers started gathering. The first one on the scene was amazed to see me standing up. A couple of men helped me back on to the road shoulder. I couldn't see the bike but one of them pointed it out to me, about 50 feet further down in the trees. The headlight was still on so I had one of them go down and turn the switch off. I removed the jacket before some scissors-happy EMT could cut it off. That's when I started noticing plastic all over the place. As they were helping me back into the roadway, that's when I heard the telltale crunch of bones rubbing together. Ouch. If that makes your jewels crawl up in your abdomen, it should. Someone said the ambulance was on the way. The guy who forced me off the road stopped for a few seconds and then bolted. Unless some credible witnesses come forward, I can forget about recovering anything. Several family and friends went back to the site this morning and recovered most or all of my tools and other gear. Apparently I can also write off the ST. The rear wheel is bent badly. The rear frame section is off to one side, and there probably isn't an undamaged piece of plastic on it. There was no collision insurance so I have a parts bike. The engine starts and runs, but that's about it. I haven't had a chance to see it yet other than some digital pictures of it. I have tried to post one but I'm looking through the fog of percocet so I may have messed up. If this link doesn't work, please don't email just to tell me. I'll have many messages as it is and I'll know if it doesn't work. I will check my mail probably no more than once per day until I get home. http://home.earthlink.net/~jhunt1x/obit/deadbike.jpg As for me, I have a broken pelvis. I'm Knoxville, TN, in the University of Tennessee hospital, room 506. I'll be here until at least Tuesday and then they'll evaluate me further. The Joe Rocket jacket worked perfectly. I have a little grass stain on my elbow, and that's it. I have spots of road rash from my left butt cheek to my left knee. Otherwise I'm rash-free. I'll miss TWO and probably everything else this year. I'll be off work for about 12 weeks, or that's what the doctor said this morning. He'll know more about it as I progress. If my recovery goes well, I'll try to get another street bike sometime after the first of the year. Until then a steetbike will be as useful to me as a screen door on a submarine. Jack Hunt COP#15 FoJ#34 DoD#208x5A RRS#9 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TDSHZ4003320; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:28:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TDSH1S003316; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:28:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <0A5C43B71EC8EE4F8393BCADE546841A0697BA@vie-its-exs02> From: "Keiser, Rudy" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'rm.curtis@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Open Mike Is Closed- I Stole an SVs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:28:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rob, Hopefully we'll see you over on the SV list. Humm - 300 more miles of break-in. I don't miss the constant shifting to stay before 5K! Rudy '01 SV650 Blue _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TDaIZ4003553; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:36:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TDaF9B003534; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:36:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: From: "Bruhl, George LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Storm: A Motorcycle Journey of Love, Endurance and Transformation. Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:36:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >The book made me wonder just why this guy insisted on dragging his >girlfriend around the Baltic's considering the wx Are you serious? You really don't know? hahahahahahaha! _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TDvUZ4003833; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:57:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TDvTBQ003828; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:57:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: bob@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Headlight Modulation Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 9:57:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020729135722.GISV1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> FYI: KRISS industries is having a going out of business sale. 50% off regular prices, while they last. http://www.kriss.com I have no afilliation with KRISS, and haven't used their products (I have a Kissan modulator). And I don't know how going out of business will affect warranty coverage. As the saying goes, you pays your money and takes your chances. Bob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TE38Z4004046; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:03:08 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TE37ov004040; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:03:07 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729140302.60636.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:03:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: 9/11 ride? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii has anybody heard about a 9/11 ride up to NYC? details? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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Just a quick note for anyone who doesn't know: Champion Motorsports (formerly Cyclesport of Herndon) and Rhoads Cycles are running a track day on 5 August (next Monday) on the main course at Summit Point. You can call Andy Flint @ (703) 471-6990 for more info. If you decide to go, mention my name (Randy Moran) and you'll get a discount. (I'm not sure how much, but every bit helps, right?)

I'll be one of the control riders for the day, and I'd be happy to show any of my DC Cycles Brethren (and Sistren) the usual line around Summit.

Randy Moran


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_ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TEIoZ4004475; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:18:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TEIne7004471; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:18:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA18B@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles list Subject: Advanced Rider Training Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:19:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Apparently the Sept 15 date is full too, they called me back today to tell me it was full when they signed me up for it. Gee thanks. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TEe4Z4004810; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:40:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TEe3g4004798; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:40:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: t_gimer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 9/11 ride? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:38:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jul 2002 14:38:55.0081 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA490590:01C2370D] Here's one that I know of, and will probably do. http://americas911ride.org/ Rob '98 VFR800 From: Tom Gimer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 9/11 ride? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:03:02 -0700 (PDT) has anybody heard about a 9/11 ride up to NYC? details? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TEfBZ4004975; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:41:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TEfBoH004969; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:41:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-pair-Authenticated: 209.124.21.254 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: 9/11 ride? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c2370d$f5a06fb0$3345080a@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-reply-to: <20020729140302.60636.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal > has anybody heard about a 9/11 ride up to NYC? > > details? Check out their web site: http://americas911ride.org/ I just registered...can't wait! Wes Hsu _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TEfJZ4005012; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:41:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TEfIDe005005; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:41:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729144111.50202.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: 9/11 ride? To: Tom Gimer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020729140302.60636.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Tom Gimer wrote: > has anybody heard about a 9/11 ride up to NYC? > > details? All details can be found at http://www.americas911ride.org/ Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TElPZ4005361; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:47:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TElOUg005356; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:47:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Re: Phoenix Jacket report In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B937@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Come on folks, we know the Phoenix stuff works, no more experiments! Mine is still good after a couple of spins through the washing machine, on hand wash setting. Tip, throw a big heavy towel in on top, otherwise the padding makes it float and parts don't get clean. Good to hear Jack made it out mostly in one piece. Dan On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > >From SabMag > Location: south of the Dragon > The good news: > "Joe Rocket mesh jacket works as advertised" > "The Joe Rocket jacket worked perfectly. " > "I have a little grass stain on my elbow, and that's it. I have spots of > road rash from my left butt cheek to my left knee. Otherwise I'm > rash-free." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TEtFZ4005592; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:55:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TEtFgU005582; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:55:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B93C@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'dan'" , "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'SbDcJeffConlin'" Subject: RE: Phoenix Jacket report Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 10:59:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Thanks for the washing tip: Jeff needs it. Dan posted, "Mine is still good after a couple of spins through the washing machine, on hand wash setting. Tip, throw a big heavy towel in on top, otherwise the padding makes it float and parts don't get clean." Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through sun, rain, over snow, and around road ragers. http://www.steel.org/news/pr/2002/pr020521.htm The 2002 Nerves of Steel Rudeness Grades 1. Miami F 6. Dallas A 2. Boston F 7. Detroit A 3. Washington, D.C. D 8. Denver A 4. Los Angeles B 9. Cleveland A 5. Chicago B 10. Seattle A '85 VF700S (Rocin-ahorito); '83 VF700F (666); '97 Aerostich Roadcrafter (Fred the Red); '02 JR Phoenix: (Amarillo Joe) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TFb4Z4005985; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:37:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TFb4gQ005981; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:37:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D456273.61BA49DF@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:42:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: cage question? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm hoping a few of the M/C techies out there have cage wrench experiance and can answer my question. The problem. My anchient Dodge Dakota 4wd has a limited slip rear axle. From the angry noises it's been making recently I suspect that the clutch pack therein is fixing to blow guts all over the highway. The attemped fix or at least a delay in major work stratagy is to drain and replece the lube and limited slip additive, assuming large chunks of whatever don't fall outta the case when the lid is popped. The question? Limited slip doesn't impress me one bit. After all, the truck is 4wd, so when the going gets rough the tough just jam it into 4wd. Question, if/when the rear end pukes, can I replace it with a standard rear? Would the standard ring/pinion and spider gears fit the case? This will probably be a new or rebuilt R&R `cause the truck is rigged for towing and has a non-standard 3.50 ratio, try finding one of them in a boneyard. Thanks, and yes, my greasy, dirty, unwashed Harley is my main source of transportation these days. My other truck, also a tow vehicle, gets like 8 MPG in town, and forget parking the beast anywhere but a half-empty mall lot. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TFirZ4006182; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:44:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TFiqMO006173; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:44:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729154450.17354.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: Telling off the HOA? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me the riot act for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple things like changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send him an email every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be done behind closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling his HOA to go get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TFpMZ4006378; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:51:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TFpLOP006373; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:51:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:50:05 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20020729154450.17354.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020729154450.17354.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02072911500521.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What do your bylaws say? You're probably stuck to working in the garage. Read the bylaws. Maybe you can send off a few e-mails yourself. Carl On Monday 29 July 2002 11:44, matthew patton wrote: > I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me the riot act > for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple things like > changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send him an email > every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be done behind > closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling his HOA to go > get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TG2XZ4006608; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:02:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TG2XgQ006603; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:02:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729160230.6035.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020729154450.17354.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wrenching in a condo parking lot is improper and dangerous. thus, it is outlawed. any reckless individual who wants to use a wrench in contravention of an HOA agreement is obviously absurd. --- matthew patton wrote: > I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me > the riot act > for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple > things like > changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send > him an email > every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be > done behind > closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling > his HOA to go > get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TG2lZ4006650; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:02:47 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TG2kfd006644; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:02:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: matthew patton cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? In-Reply-To: <20020729154450.17354.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know what the laws are around here, but in NC the power the HOA has is VERY limited. My 'hood had a limit of 4 foot high fences, two neighbors of mine and I got together, built a 6 footer that spanned 3 houses. They got pissed and couldn't do shit about it. Next time the prez stops by, ask him what happens if you continue. Dan On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, matthew patton wrote: > I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me the riot act > for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple things like > changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send him an email > every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be done behind > closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling his HOA to go > get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TGHbZ4007053; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:17:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TGHaWc007048; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:17:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Elie Rosenblum Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:17:34 -0400 To: Carl Schelin Cc: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? Message-ID: <20020729161734.GA739@cosanostra.net> References: <20020729154450.17354.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> <02072911500521.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <02072911500521.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Note that if you're in VA, new laws were passed in the last couple of years that allow the HOA to make your life hell much easier; if you're violating something in the bylaws, they can smack you with one-time fines even if it's not ongoing, and if it's a persistent thing, they can schedule hearings _without_ all the legal hassle that had to happen before the law change, and sock you with $10/ day fines, retroactive to the beginning of the problem (i.e. starting at $900 by the time a hearing happens). Anyway, please note the difference between 'illegal' and 'counter to HOA regulations'. Also, you may want to tell them to backoff and handle this properly; I know that my HOA for example has a policy that nobody is allowed to talk to someone directly about any of these problems, since it could easily be considered harrassment; instead they all have to go through the property management company, and there are procedures for sending appropriately worded letters to people. Paying you a visit and reading you the riot act is not an appropriate way of handling the issue, and you should make it clear to the board that if you weren't such a nice guy (and the next guy they piss off may not be so nice) that the HOA and they personally might end up getting sued. You are probably stuck working in the garage though. I do a little work outside the garage but nothing that won't be done in less than an hour or so and nothing that involves serious disassembly. On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 11:50:05AM -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > What do your bylaws say? You're probably stuck to working in the garage. > > Read the bylaws. Maybe you can send off a few e-mails yourself. > > Carl > > On Monday 29 July 2002 11:44, matthew patton wrote: > > I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me the riot act > > for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple things like > > changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send him an email > > every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be done behind > > closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling his HOA to go > > get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necronomicon_ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TGKWZ4007238; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:20:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TGKWhV007230; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:20:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Larry Meyer To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Re: Telling off the HOA? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:20:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020729162026.MNDF4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> I was on my HOA board and in VA they have tons of power. Usually the only thing a homeowner can do if he's unhappy with enforcement of a written rule is to make sure it's enforced universally - inconsistent enforcement is by definition no enforcement. If you can find even one instance of the board approving something, then they can't stop you from doing the same. Note the word written - if it's not on paper, it's not a rule. ============================================================ I don't know what the laws are around here, but in NC the power the HOA has is VERY limited. My 'hood had a limit of 4 foot high fences, two neighbors of mine and I got together, built a 6 footer that spanned 3 houses. They got pissed and couldn't do shit about it. Next time the prez stops by, ask him what happens if you continue. Dan On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, matthew patton wrote: I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me the riot act for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple things like changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send him an email every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be done behind closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling his HOA to go get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TGNbZ4007415; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:23:37 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TGNbtM007409; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:23:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00f601c2371c$ef591580$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Tom Gimer" , "matthew patton" , References: <20020729160230.6035.qmail@web14611.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:27:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Obviously, anyone who can turn a wrench is a blue-collar low-life who performs manual labor for a living. Suburban property values are incapable with such people. :) Next thing you know, people will be working on their own plumbing and hanging NASCAR banners. I wrench bikes in my front yard, and no one has yet to offer a negative comment. Paul in DC < > wrenching in a condo parking lot is improper and dangerous. > thus, it is outlawed. > > any reckless individual who wants to use a wrench in > contravention of an HOA agreement is obviously absurd. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TGPsZ4007611; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:25:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TGPrgg007605; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:25:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729122244.0226f488@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:25:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: cage question? In-Reply-To: <3D456273.61BA49DF@patriot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:42 AM 7/29/2002, William J. Huson wrote: >The question? Limited slip doesn't impress me one bit. After all, the >truck is 4wd, so when the going gets rough the tough just jam it into >4wd. Question, if/when the rear end pukes, can I replace it with a >standard rear? Would the standard ring/pinion and spider gears fit the >case? This will probably be a new or rebuilt R&R `cause the truck is >rigged for towing and has a non-standard 3.50 ratio, try finding one of >them in a boneyard. I wouldn't want 4wd without limited slip. With it - you basically have 3wd unless the hubs are locked manually. Without it - you have 2wd. One in the front, one in the back. Set the truck with ice under one tire front and back and it will sit and spin. With this in mind - at least consider salvaging the limited slip. May want to head to the Dakota lists for specific info on the swap - but on the Durango (which is based on the Dakota) you could swap in the standard for the limited slip. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TGUhZ4007796; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:30:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TGUhvY007791; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:30:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729122650.0236aca0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:29:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? In-Reply-To: References: <20020729154450.17354.qmail@web20110.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:05 PM 7/29/2002, dan wrote: >I don't know what the laws are around here, but in NC the power the HOA >has is VERY limited. My 'hood had a limit of 4 foot high fences, two >neighbors of mine and I got together, built a 6 footer that spanned 3 >houses. They got pissed and couldn't do shit about it. Next time the >prez stops by, ask him what happens if you continue. Depends on the HOA - but if they are like most around here, lawyers sit on the board just so they can hone their letter writing skills. They can and will take you to court. I got my old Newgate HOA to retract the 'no oil change' crap (say Thanks Laura) since we didn't have garages. I can see their point though - don't want the neighborhood looking like a Trak Auto parking lot. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TGZcZ4007982; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:35:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TGZcBc007976; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:35:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729163535.18205.qmail@web14606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 09:35:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? To: Paul Wilson , matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00f601c2371c$ef591580$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii matthew's question really requires an in-depth review of the applicable documents. who the rules/covenants apply to and how is something that should be determined through thoughtful legal analysis. that being said, mr. patton's manner of inconsistently treating laws/rules/regs to serve his own purpose demonstrates the depth of his absurdity. --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Obviously, anyone who can turn a wrench is a blue-collar > low-life who > performs manual labor for a living. Suburban property > values are incapable > with such people. :) Next thing you know, people will > be working on their > own plumbing and hanging NASCAR banners. > > I wrench bikes in my front yard, and no one has yet to > offer a negative > comment. > > Paul in DC < zealots > 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F > www.wilsonline.org > Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > > > > wrenching in a condo parking lot is improper and > dangerous. > > thus, it is outlawed. > > > > any reckless individual who wants to use a wrench in > > contravention of an HOA agreement is obviously absurd. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TH8aZ4008316; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:08:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TH8Zm3008306; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:08:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B93E@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX'" Subject: Headlight Modulation Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:13:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Kathleen Loerich asked, "Do any members of this list use Headlight Modulation systems on their motorcycles?" Yes, but not me "If so, what are the benefits that you derive from using these devices?" Greater conspicuousness. A Good Thing (TM) around BDCs Ease of installation (for the Kriss) I believe the same can be gained with a set of driving/fog lights. Plus, if your head light dies, you still have head lights. "What are the disadvantages from using these devices?" Up front buck$ but see the Kriss sale at the end of this post: $55 - $77.50 If you use one, have you ever been pulled over by the police? What was the outcome? NA Any information about Headlight Modulation systems is appreciated. Ta dah: "Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Kriss sale Apparently Kriss is going out of business (retiring). They have their products on sale for 50% off when ordering through their web pages. http://www.kriss.com I never used any of their products, but have heard good reviews from others." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6THB0Z4008499; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:11:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6THAxTj008494; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:10:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:10:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291310.AA17826436@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Kathleen Loerich" Subject: Re: Headlight Modulation X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kathleen Loerich" >Do any members of this list use Headlight Modulation systems on their >motorcycles? Yes. >If so, what are the benefits that you derive from using these devices? Much more easily seen. Very good at alerting car drivers who are ready to turn across my path (like the deadly oncoming-left-turner). >What are the disadvantages from using these devices? - Could be confusing to car drivers (they're unusual). - Can be construed as an emergency vehicle (never happened to me). - Still get cut off by some drivers - it's NOT a cure-all. - May get the wrong attention from police. - Irritating to other drivers & riders - should turn it off when not needed (I use it like I cover my brake: in situations where more caution and preparedness is needed). >If you use one, have you ever been pulled over by the police? What was the >outcome? No, but I turn it off when not using it. In addition, I carry the modulator owner's manual, and the Virginia state law and Federal law that says a modulator is legal to use. Still, best not to use it when visible by police. >Any information about Headlight Modulation systems is appreciated. http://www.signaldynamics.com/Press%20Releases/dotltr.htm http://bikerhangout.com/title49_usc_30103.shtml http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1012 Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6THBYZ4008538; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:11:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6THBYnm008532; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:11:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B93F@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:16:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For those who wonder what Deals Gap is: http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/100187 Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 2002-07-28 by Cliff Hightower of The Daily Times Staff Eliot Finn, 28, of Orlando, Fla., loves curves. He loves laying on the throttle when his Kawasaki sports bike is halfway around a curve and so low his knee almost drags the ground. And he rode all the way from Florida to Blount County just to experience it. ``I've come up here just for this,'' Finn said. ``Just for this little hill here. We've come to slay `The Dragon.''' Buell Motorcycles, an American Motorcycle Co., recently conducted a poll on its Web site, Buell.com. The poll, which lasted for six months, asked riders to name their favorite stretch of curvy highway in the United States. Deal's Gap on U.S. Highway 129, known locally as The Dragon, was rated No. 1 by motorcycle riders. ``It was the runaway winner,'' said Paul James, communications manager for Buell Motorcycles. ``Not just locally; we had votes for it from all over the U.S. There wasn't anyone even close.'' James rode The Dragon for the first time a few months ago. The Milwaukee, Wis., resident said The Dragon was a ``must-see'' trip for him and his companions on their ride to Atlanta. ``It was amazing,'' James said. ``It was all I thought it would be. It's almost like a legendary place. Almost mythical. People aspire to ride there.'' Ron Johnson, owner of the Web site TailoftheDragon.com, agreed. He's helped promote the ``myth'' of The Dragon on his Web page and sells T-shirts and other souvenirs over the Internet. Johnson said there are 318 curves packed into an 11-mile stretch. For a motorcycle rider, like Finn, this is a dream come true. ``There's nowhere to ride in Florida,'' he said. ``We come up here, and it's got all we've ever wanted.'' Johnson said two things attract people to The Dragon. One: lots of curves. Two: no driveways or intersecting roads where vehicles pull out in front of riders. The main attraction, though, is the curves. ``There are no two alike,'' Johnson said. ``And another thing, is it's relatively flat. You're not constantly going up and down mountains.'' He also agrees that it is the best ride in America. ``There's no place even close,'' he said. Word is getting around. More and more motorcycle riders are riding The Dragon's curves -- and not just motorcyclists, so are car clubs. This weekend, a Miata rally is being held in Robbinsville, N.C., and the prime attraction is The Dragon. Johnson said Ferrari owners held a rally last year to give drivers of that famous Italian sports car line to ride the two-lane connector that links Tennessee and North Carolina. For the past several years, the ``Honda Hoot'' has been held in Knoxville or Asheville, N.C., and one of the prime tours is through The Dragon. ``The money these people are bringing into Blount County is phenomenal,'' Johnson said. ``Most of these people, at least half, are going into Blount County and spending their money. They have to buy gas, food. ... It's phenomenal.'' But there are some drawbacks. In the last 18 months there have been three fatal wrecks and more than 80 accidents, Capt. Lester Jackson, of the Tennessee Highway Patrol, said. ``It's a high-accident area for sure,'' Jackson said. The Tennessee trooper said THP patrols the road and tries to make it as safe as possible. ``It continues to be a destination place for the motorcycling world,'' he said. Capt. Jim Long, of the Blount County Sheriff's Office, said he believes there is no way to significantly reduce the number of accidents except to re-engineer the road and make it straighter. ``It's always been a problem for us,'' Long said. The sheriff's office patrols Calderwood Highway to the state line and has roadblocks on occasion to try to make it safer, but it is difficult to slow down a motorcyclist determined to speed, according to Long. ``If that individual doesn't want to stop,'' Long said. ``We aren't going to catch them.'' Johnson said, for the most part, bikers know how to handle the road. There are just a few ``bad apples.'' ``There's a bad element, no matter what you drive. You see it in people who drive cars and trucks too, not just motorcycles. You see it everywhere.'' Johnson maintained the road is actually safe when driven with reasonable caution. He said there are probably more accidents and fatal wrecks on stretches of interstate and other heavily traveled roads. ``I know nobody in a car who's ever been killed up here,'' he said. ``Most of the people killed end up killing themselves. We don't encourage bad driving. We just encourage people to have fun within the laws.'' Finn, the motorcycle rider from Florida, agreed. He has been coming to The Dragon two times a year for the past three years. He and his friends have never encountered any problems while riding Deal's Gap. ``People are courteous,'' he said. ``We've had no problems. No problems at all.'' Finn, who has been riding since he was 8 years old, said he could find no better place to come and ride. ``That's probably why I don't go anywhere else,'' he said. ``Why settle for second best?'' The Daily Times 307 East Harper Ave. Maryville, TN 37801 or PO Box 9740, 37802-9740 Phone: 865-981-1100 Fax: 865-981-1175 [Valid HTML4.0] [Graphics by GIMP] _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6THEjZ4008851; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:14:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6THEiPg008845; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:14:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Bob Meyer Reply-To: bob@XXXXXX To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:14:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020729171438.HWPB1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net> Were you given a copy of the HOA documents before you bought the place? (or do you rent?) If you own, and weren't given a copy, then the HOA is in violation of VA law, and you can tell them to stuff it. Otherwise, you're probably out of luck, but you need to find out exactly what the regs say. One other possible out is if the HOA doesn't enforce the rules consistently. If, for example, one car owner regularly gets away with violating the rule, then the HOA loses the power to enforce that rule. You'd probably need a lawyer experienced in HOA law and a trip to court to win, however. Bob Meyer > > From: matthew patton > Date: 2002/07/29 Mon AM 11:44:50 EDT > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Telling off the HOA? > > I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me the riot act > for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple things like > changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send him an email > every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be done behind > closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling his HOA to go > get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6THeNZ4009290; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:40:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6THe8fk009270; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:40:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:40:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200207291340.AA73335392@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , matthew patton Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? X-Mailer: That depends what you agreed to when you signed the HOA agreement about the covenants and restrictions there. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 08:44:50 -0700 (PDT) >I had the HOA prez pay me a visit yesturday and read me the riot act >for doing fairly extensive work on my bikes - simple things like >changing oil is illegal. Seems a neighbor likes to send him an email >every week. Well I guess that all work will have to be done behind >closed garage doors but I remember Brian Roach telling his HOA to go >get stuffed. Can I do the same and make it stick? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6THpiZ4009494; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:51:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6THphdk009489; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:51:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:54:19 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0666B93F@dchqclexhq.fsis.usda.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > For those who wonder what Deals Gap is: > > The main attraction, though, is the curves. > ``There are no two alike,'' Johnson said. ``And another thing, is it's > relatively flat. You're not constantly going up and down mountains.'' What??? Half the fun is going up and down moutains for me. It adds a nice level of complexity, especially those down hill decreasing radius turns! > He also agrees that it is the best ride in America. > ``There's no place even close,'' he said. No place even close? Guess he hasn't been out to West VA. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TIcIZ4010052; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:38:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TIcHqS010042; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:38:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:36:53 -0400 (EDT) From: jdonovan@XXXXXX To: "William J. Huson" cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: cage question? In-Reply-To: <3D456273.61BA49DF@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, William J. Huson wrote: > I'm hoping a few of the M/C techies out there have cage wrench > experiance and can answer my question. > > 4wd. Question, if/when the rear end pukes, can I replace it with a > standard rear? Would the standard ring/pinion and spider gears fit the > case? This will probably be a new or rebuilt R&R `cause the truck is > rigged for towing and has a non-standard 3.50 ratio, try finding one of > them in a boneyard. yes, you would need a new carrier for the gears, and would need to have the gears setup. A carrier for most common axles are < $200, the gears are 150-200ish and labor is about $350-500 depending on the shop. If you are interested in better traction, the ARB air locker is the king. I've got one in my jeep and love it... its an air operated locker. Open-diff when you want, or full 100% lock when you need it. If you want a 100 full time traction aid the Detroit locker cant be beat for strength, but it does have some down sides. The other option for traction than is better than an open diff with out some of the problems of a Detroit-locker, would be a lockright, or other similar lock under torque traction aids. here are some other references that might help all about lockrights with my comments on the one I put in my truck http://dodgeram.org/ki4cy/4x4/Lockrite_notes.htm -jd _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TJ8LZ4010410; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:08:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TJ8LBO010405; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:08:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4593F8.C4F9A43@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:14:01 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: cage question? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729122244.0226f488@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > I wouldn't want 4wd without limited slip. With it - you basically have 3wd > unless the hubs are locked manually. Without it - you have 2wd. One in > the front, one in the back. Set the truck with ice under one tire front > and back and it will sit and spin. With this in mind - at least consider > salvaging the limited slip. May want to head to the Dakota lists for > specific info on the swap - but on the Durango (which is based on the > Dakota) you could swap in the standard for the limited slip. > Hmmm... my former Ramcharger didn't have limited slip and that sucker was an ANIMAL in the sand or on the snow and ice. Thanks for the hint, the Durango should be identical to the Dakota drivewise, and methinks I'd take a standard rear for a replacement, unless rehabing the clutch pack is cheap and easy. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TJDSZ4010596; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:13:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TJDSs6010591; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:13:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D45952C.F4FAAEF0@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:19:08 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, matthew patton Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? References: <200207291340.AA73335392@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HOA ??? Oh, I guess Matt means Home Owners Ass. (abreviation of association intentional). Pardon while I drop to my knees and thank Goddess that my `hood doesn't have one of those anal retentive groups. My nieghbors don't drop by to bitch, they usually come by to borrow my welder, engine crane, air tools, etc etc... Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TJGuZ4010780; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:16:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TJGtD8010773; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:16:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4595FB.23F6F2E5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:22:35 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jdonovan@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: cage question? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jdonovan@XXXXXX wrote: > yes, you would need a new carrier for the gears, and would need to have > the gears setup. A carrier for most common axles are < $200, the gears are > 150-200ish and labor is about $350-500 depending on the shop. Cool! Thanks! > If you are interested in better traction, the ARB air locker is the king. > I've got one in my jeep and love it... its an air operated locker. > Open-diff when you want, or full 100% lock when you need it. If you want a > 100 full time traction aid the Detroit locker cant be beat for strength, > but it does have some down sides. Nope, truck has plenty of traction, challanged by North Carolina beach sand many times and whupped up on it. Even tested in snow back when we had snow here. Global warming? Nah, not a problem. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TJQ9Z4010990; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:26:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TJQ81N010983; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:26:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020729152342.0268a530@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:26:01 -0400 To: "William J. Huson" , Troutman From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: cage question? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3D4593F8.C4F9A43@patriot.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020729122244.0226f488@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:14 PM 7/29/2002 -0400, William J. Huson wrote: >Troutman wrote: > > > I wouldn't want 4wd without limited slip. With it - you basically have 3wd > > unless the hubs are locked manually. Without it - you have 2wd. One in > > the front, one in the back. Set the truck with ice under one tire front > > and back and it will sit and spin. With this in mind - at least consider > > salvaging the limited slip. May want to head to the Dakota lists for > > specific info on the swap - but on the Durango (which is based on the > > Dakota) you could swap in the standard for the limited slip. > > > >Hmmm... my former Ramcharger didn't have limited slip and that sucker was an >ANIMAL in the sand or on the snow and ice. Thanks for the hint, the Durango >should be identical to the Dakota drivewise, and methinks I'd take a standard >rear for a replacement, unless rehabing the clutch pack is cheap and easy. > >Bill I have the Durango 5.9L and it depends on what your Dakota has. There are two different rear ends, the 392 and the 355 (IIRC). They are not interchangable and very expensive and a monster PITA to swap to a difference size. Parts are also not interchangable between sizes. As long as you have the same rear end, it's pretty straight forward but if not, don't even attempt it. cheers, -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TJnVZ4011260; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:49:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TJnUbk011252; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:49:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Weekend trip on Softail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As I posted last week, I rented a Harley Heritage Softail Classic FI for the weekend (Friday-Monday). The wife and I cruised up to PA and stayed at a BnB near Lancaster. My wife liked the comfy seat and backrest, but didn't much like the constant vibration. We strapped two bags to the backrest and filled the saddlebags, which gave us plenty of room to pack, including rain gear and all of my wife's stuff :-) For me, the bike was underwhelming. I tried to keep in mind the intended use, but it was still a heap. The motorcycle had so little power, it was almost dangerous. 50% of the cars out there have a better acceleration than this thing. The cornering clearance is absurd, but maybe all cruisers are the same way. I was constantly dragging shit just pulling into parking lots! I never dragged anything while riding, so maybe it was the squishy suspension bottoming at the same time I was trying to lean the bike over. The brakes seemed adequate, given the intended use of the bike, and all of the controls were laid out logically (although it took a few miles to get used to a turn signal switch on each side). Being able to remove the key from the ignition and having a seperate lock for the steering seemed like a bad idea, but I guess it's nice that they even include a steering lock on the newer bikes :-\ The fuel injection was setup nicely with no surging or flat spots and always cold starting on the first bump of the starter. All in all, definately not the bike for me. I can't see anyone actually buying one of these things based on the merit of the machine, unless all cruisers are this horrible to ride. Just my .02, not meant to offend of the Harley riders on the list, just passing on my thoughts after spending 4 days and ~500 miles with the bike. FWIW, this was my first foray into the cruiser-world after only riding standards, sportbikes and nakeds. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TKAqZ4011527; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:10:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TKApnZ011522; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:10:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:13:01 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip on Softail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > For me, the bike was underwhelming. I tried to keep in mind the intended > use, but it was still a heap. The motorcycle had so little power, it was > almost dangerous. 50% of the cars out there have a better acceleration > than this thing. How many cars run the 1/4 in the low 14 second range? Not many. Reality check dude, you ride a Hayabusa. You have the vehicular equivalent of crack cocaine. Any other stock vehicle, bike, car, plane, etc is gonna seem slow compared. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TLAqZ4011955; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:10:52 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TLApTs011947; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:10:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <47.20a586cd.2a770952@aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:10:42 EDT Subject: Re: Headlight Modulation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/29/2002 8:44:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > [Dave] w/o bothering to look it up, one of the local states has some weird > wording in their statute such that if the lights are (some weird wording like) > 'mesmerizing' or dazzling effect, etc... that *COULD* be applied to a > headlight modulator. Nope. Federal law/regulations _always_ take precedence over state/local laws. Once the Feds standardized light modulators* they were if effect rendered legal in every state. (In the case of Federal lid laws they removed the Federal helmet law allowing states to decide for themselves.) In short if the Feds say it is illegal then by god it is illegal, if they say it is legal... *For instance they must shut off after dark, as such they are equipped with a light sensor to shut them off after dark. And they cannot actually turn the light off, instead they turn the high beam on _then_ turn the low beam off and vice versa. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (With all of the STs all of a sudden the Pan European is now necessary {and I still like it.}) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TLIVZ4012149; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:18:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TLIU9j012141; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:18:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D45B27A.278822A6@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:24:10 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wayne Edelen CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip on Softail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wayne Edelen wrote: > My wife liked the comfy seat and backrest, but didn't much like the > constant vibration. Vibration? I forgeot, does the softail have a rigid mount engine? Even then, I do believe all the new ones have counterbalancers and those engines are rock steady. > For me, the bike was underwhelming. I tried to keep in mind the intended > use, but it was still a heap. The motorcycle had so little power, it was > almost dangerous. 50% of the cars out there have a better acceleration > than this thing. Hmm... doubt that. Toyota sells a pile of Corolla and a moped would kick their ass. > The cornering clearance is absurd, but maybe all > cruisers are the same way. I was constantly dragging shit just pulling > into parking lots! Again, strange. Sure the suspension was keyed in for gross body wieght? I've watched several full dressers do a figure 8 inside a 20 w X 60 l box and not drag a dern thang. > Just my .02, not meant to offend of the Harley riders on the list, just > passing on my thoughts after spending 4 days and ~500 miles with the > bike. FWIW, this was my first foray into the cruiser-world after only > riding standards, sportbikes and nakeds. No offense to me. Different strokes for different folks. I think sportbikes blow smega, mainly because my arthritic bod can't assume the cramped position without screaming in agony. And most jap bikes are just too, too *poofy*. Bill _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TLxDZ4012491; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:59:13 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TLxC9Z012484; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:59:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729215909.44329.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 To: dan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Custer, Carl wrote: > > > For those who wonder what Deals Gap is: > > > > The main attraction, though, is the curves. > > ``There are no two alike,'' Johnson said. ``And another > thing, is it's > > relatively flat. You're not constantly going up and > down mountains.'' > > What??? Half the fun is going up and down moutains for > me. It adds a > nice level of complexity, especially those down hill > decreasing radius turns! have you been to the dragon? it has plenty of what you describe..... and tight! plus, without the need for 5k feet of elevation changes. i agree with johnson here.... the gap might be too demanding physically if you threw in a lot of elevation changes. > > He also agrees that it is the best ride in America. > > ``There's no place even close,'' he said. > > No place even close? Guess he hasn't been out to West > VA. wva has great roads, yes.... but it has nothing on the dragon's (townsend, tn/robbinsville, nc/etc.) status as a great place for motorcycle-related gatherings. interesting that this purports to be a nationwide survey. perhaps those folks living out in the West failed to participate? or more likely they were unable to limit themselves to ONE road. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TM1pZ4012685; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:01:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TM1pgk012678; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:01:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:01:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip on Softail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, dan wrote: > > For me, the bike was underwhelming. I tried to keep in mind the intended > > use, but it was still a heap. The motorcycle had so little power, it was > > almost dangerous. 50% of the cars out there have a better acceleration > > than this thing. > > How many cars run the 1/4 in the low 14 second range? Not many. Reality > check dude, you ride a Hayabusa. You have the vehicular equivalent of > crack cocaine. Any other stock vehicle, bike, car, plane, etc is gonna > seem slow compared. > > Dan There are a LOT of cars that run 1/4s in the 14 second range, Dan. If you like, I can post a partial list :-) I wasn't comparing the Softail to my Hayabusa, that wouldn't be fair. I was trying to post what I liked and didn't like about it. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that with a hostname like 'harley.turlik.net', you ride a Harley? :-) I'd really like to get some seat time on a comparable Japanese cruiser to see the differences, since this is really the first cruiser over which I've swung a leg :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TMIUZ4012942; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:18:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TMISw9012931; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:18:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729180245.00bc4c48@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:19:33 -0400 To: bob@XXXXXX, matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? In-Reply-To: <20020729171438.HWPB1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.n et> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:14 PM 7/29/2002 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: >Were you given a copy of the HOA documents before you bought the place? He probably signed a receipt for them at closing, if either party had an attorney present. >... If you own, and weren't given a copy, then the HOA is in violation of >VA law, and you can tell them to stuff it. Sorry, wrong. Providing those documents prior to closing is the responsibility of the seller in VA. Associations are required to provide such packets to the association members (sellers) for a reasonable fee (typically $75 to $150). >... One other possible out is if the HOA doesn't enforce the rules >consistently. If, for example, one car owner regularly gets away with >violating the rule, then the HOA loses the power to enforce that rule. Again, that's an oversimplification. >You'd probably need a lawyer experienced in HOA law and a trip to court to >win, however. Agreed. However, this is not supposed to be a purely adversarial proceeding, since the offender is himself a lot owner/ member of the HOA. Look at the documents, talk with your board members, and work it out reasonably. I've been president of our HOA twice, and my fiancee Nancy is the current president. One reason it's such a lousy job is because everyone is so damn belligerent about every little issue. Everyone wants the rules to apply to the other guys, but not them. There could be all sorts of considerations involved in Matthew's case. One concern might be the desire to avoid having hulks up on cinder blocks in the neighborhood. Another might be that in most cases in Virginia, individual lots are bounded only a few feet from the building; the rest, including most of the driveways, may be common area. The board might not want to risk oil spills and stains on the common area pavement, for example. BTW, the applicable VA townhouse laws are at Code of Virginia, Title 55, Chapter 26 (Property Owners' Association Act), Sections 55-508 through 55-516.2. Regards, Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TMLvZ4013119; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:21:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TMLvUr013113; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:21:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Tom Gimer cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 In-Reply-To: <20020729215909.44329.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > The main attraction, though, is the curves. > > > ``There are no two alike,'' Johnson said. ``And another > > thing, is it's > > > relatively flat. You're not constantly going up and > > down mountains.'' > > > > What??? Half the fun is going up and down moutains for > > me. It adds a > > nice level of complexity, especially those down hill > > decreasing radius turns! > > have you been to the dragon? it has plenty of what you > describe..... and tight! plus, without the need for 5k > feet of elevation changes. i agree with johnson here.... > the gap might be too demanding physically if you threw in a > lot of elevation changes. Huh? I'm not following you here. First he says its flat, and you say its not? Either way, I love the climbs up and down. While I haven't been to the Dragon, I certainly have reviewed the site. And what roads are we comparing? Certainly one of the most challenging I have been on is Route 20 in West VA, very tight, very demanding, certainly lots of turns, I think we spent over 1/2 an hour in the twistees (chime in any time Steve) before I had my little off roading venture. Its a 55mph zone with most turns marked 25, some 15. Portions of 33, 220 and 55 are also pretty damn nice. All of these make 211 seem boring. I'm sure there are even more twisty roads out there in WV. > > > > > > > He also agrees that it is the best ride in America. > > > ``There's no place even close,'' he said. > > > > No place even close? Guess he hasn't been out to West > > VA. > > wva has great roads, yes.... but it has nothing on the > dragon's (townsend, tn/robbinsville, nc/etc.) status as a > great place for motorcycle-related gatherings. > My problem was the bold comment saying not even close. Status wise, I'm sure nothing comes close. Nothing comes close to the status of HD either. I'm interested in hearing what roads you frequent out in West VA, and anyone else who's willing to comment. Maybe the dragon is that good. Ricardo, I know you live weekends in WV, have you been to the Gap? How does it compare? I guess I'll have to wait till maybe later this year to try it out. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TMdVZ4013403; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:39:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TMdV6h013396; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:39:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729184005.00bc4c48@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:40:33 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Larry Larson Subject: OT: F1 French GP Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed See http://www.xhost.org/FrenchGP/index.htm -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TMfIZ4013587; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:41:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TMfIo0013581; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:41:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729224116.21866.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:41:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 To: dan , Tom Gimer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well personally I don't think the dragon is all that. Sure its demanding but as you say its not far and above other roads I've been on in VA/WV or NC. VA 16 comes to mind as one awesome road and none of the traffic deals gap has. I could think of a ton of other orads but why bother. Deals Gap is more of trendy thing IMO. Glenn --- dan wrote: > > > > The main attraction, though, is the curves. > > > > ``There are no two alike,'' Johnson said. > ``And another > > > thing, is it's > > > > relatively flat. You're not constantly going > up and > > > down mountains.'' > > > > > > What??? Half the fun is going up and down > moutains for > > > me. It adds a > > > nice level of complexity, especially those down > hill > > > decreasing radius turns! > > > > have you been to the dragon? it has plenty of > what you > > describe..... and tight! plus, without the need > for 5k > > feet of elevation changes. i agree with johnson > here.... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TMinZ4013768; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:44:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TMinaG013763; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:44:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Wayne Edelen cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip on Softail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > There are a LOT of cars that run 1/4s in the 14 second range, Dan. If you > like, I can post a partial list :-) I wasn't comparing the Softail to my > Hayabusa, that wouldn't be fair. I was trying to post what I liked and > didn't like about it. Yeah, I've seen what you drive. I'd bet 95% of the cars on the road can't do the 1/4 in 15. Face it, you are a speed junkie!!! You should have rented a Big Dog or something with a nice 113" motor in it. Of course that would have shook the wife right off! > > I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that with a hostname like > 'harley.turlik.net', you ride a Harley? :-) Damn. Good catch. Its a twin proc machine, so I figured the name was a winner. Yeah, I ride a Road King AND a VFR. So you can't call me biased, well not too much. > I'd really like to get some seat time on a comparable Japanese cruiser to > see the differences, since this is really the first cruiser over which > I've swung a leg :-) > I had a V-Star 1100 before the 'King . Handled worse, but was slightly faster. Lots of cheap plastic everywhere. While it was a good bike it lacked character, but what do I know, I ride a VFR, the bike accused of having the least character of any of em. I don't think you'll be impressed with anything but the power cruisers like the VTX and the new Yamaha. You really can't compare a Harley to anything else. Doing so is missing the point. Why the hell would any one want to drive a classic car when a new Camry can beat it every which way? Yeah, they are way backwards, old technology, slow, poor handling, etc. Yet to me, so damn fun to ride. I get to enjoy the ride. On the sportbike, I'm too busy with everything else to sit back and enjoy the scenery. Both are fun, and I'm lucky I get to choose. Dan > -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ > > -- _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TMuPZ4013984; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:56:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TMuOK4013979; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:56:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip on Softail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, dan wrote: > Yeah, I've seen what you drive. I'd bet 95% of the cars on the road can't > do the 1/4 in 15. Face it, you are a speed junkie!!! You should have Definately guilty of being a speed junkie! :-) > rented a Big Dog or something with a nice 113" motor in it. Of course > that would have shook the wife right off! hehe :-) > > I'd really like to get some seat time on a comparable Japanese cruiser to > > see the differences, since this is really the first cruiser over which > > I've swung a leg :-) > > I had a V-Star 1100 before the 'King . Handled worse, but was slightly > faster. Lots of cheap plastic everywhere. While it was a good bike it Glad you brought up the build quality of the VStar, as I forgot to mention that I thought the fit and finish on the Harley were very good. Good paint (nice color, too - jade), all the shiny bits were of good quality and even some nice billet-looking pieces sprinkled about. > You really can't compare a Harley to anything else. Doing so is missing > the point. Why the hell would any one want to drive a classic car when a > new Camry can beat it every which way? Yeah, they are way backwards, old > technology, slow, poor handling, etc. Yet to me, so damn fun to ride. I > get to enjoy the ride. On the sportbike, I'm too busy with everything I guess I'm too young for nostalgia (30) and my dad always rode Hondas anyway :-) > else to sit back and enjoy the scenery. Both are fun, and I'm lucky I get > to choose. > > Dan Yep, I'm looking for a 2nd bike that's comfortable for my wife, yet still fun for me to ride. Maybe a turbo Gold Wing? :-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TN2MZ4014235; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:02:22 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TN2Lwk014230; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:02:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020729230218.85388.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:02:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 To: dan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- dan wrote: > > > > The main attraction, though, is the curves. > > > > ``There are no two alike,'' Johnson said. ``And > another > > > thing, is it's > > > > relatively flat. You're not constantly going up and > > > down mountains.'' > > > > > > What??? Half the fun is going up and down moutains > for > > > me. It adds a > > > nice level of complexity, especially those down hill > > > decreasing radius turns! > > > > have you been to the dragon? it has plenty of what you > > describe..... and tight! plus, without the need for 5k > > feet of elevation changes. i agree with johnson > here.... > > the gap might be too demanding physically if you threw > in a > > lot of elevation changes. > > Huh? I'm not following you here. First he says its > flat, and you say its > not? it's relatively flat. it doesn't run OVER mountains, it runs around and through them. of course, there are elevation changes.... just nothing like we're used to up here, e.g., us 50, us 33, us 250.... > Either way, I love the climbs up and down. While I > haven't been to > the Dragon, I certainly have reviewed the site. And what > roads are we > comparing? Certainly one of the most challenging I have > been on is Route > 20 in West VA, very tight, very demanding, certainly lots > of turns, I > think we spent over 1/2 an hour in the twistees (chime in > any time Steve) > before I had my little off roading venture. Its a 55mph > zone with most > turns marked 25, some 15. you won't think 20 is too tight after running 129. > Portions of 33, 220 and 55 are > also pretty damn > nice. All of these make 211 seem boring. I'm sure there > are even more > twisty roads out there in WV. > > > > > > > > > He also agrees that it is the best ride in America. > > > > ``There's no place even close,'' he said. > > > > > > No place even close? Guess he hasn't been out to > West > > > VA. > > > > wva has great roads, yes.... but it has nothing on the > > dragon's (townsend, tn/robbinsville, nc/etc.) status as > a > > great place for motorcycle-related gatherings. > > > > My problem was the bold comment saying not even close. > Status wise, I'm > sure nothing comes close. Nothing comes close to the > status of HD either. > > I'm interested in hearing what roads you frequent out in > West VA, and > anyone else who's willing to comment. you already named a few. add 39. add 16. add almost every little road that connects the bigger ones.... add va. 56, us. 60 (va.) > Maybe the dragon > is that good. > Ricardo, I know you live weekends in WV, have you been to > the Gap? How > does it compare? > > I guess I'll have to wait till maybe later this year to > try it out. the dragon is good. but it is 500+ miles away.... you should take a 3-4+ day weekend to enjoy the area. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TNB3Z4014572; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:11:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TNB2Ou014567; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:11:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: Subject: RE: Telling off the HOA? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c23753$d6d08c00$b282c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729180245.00bc4c48@mail.9netave.com> Importance: Normal Larry's pretty much spot on ; there's not a real 'cut & dry answer' .... He >... If you own, and weren't given a copy, then the HOA is in violation of >VA law, and you can tell them to stuff it. Sorry, wrong. Providing those documents prior to closing is the responsibility of the seller in VA. Associations are required to provide such packets to the association members (sellers) for a reasonable fee (typically $75 to $150). [Dave] And, not getting the packet doesn't make you 'severable' from the HOA, or not subject to it's rule. >... One other possible out is if the HOA doesn't enforce the rules >consistently. If, for example, one car owner regularly gets away with >violating the rule, then the HOA loses the power to enforce that rule. Again, that's an oversimplification. [Dave] most assuredly, they would likely lose the ability to enforce against you for *that instance* and for a period of time such that the HOA could reasonably notify everyone of a more strict enforcement of an existing rule. Best hope in finding it isn't being enforced evenly is 'breaking even' - maybe delaying enforcement, getting everyone enforced the same way, but you won't get an exemption... >You'd probably need a lawyer experienced in HOA law and a trip to court to >win, however. Agreed. However, this is not supposed to be a purely adversarial proceeding, since the offender is himself a lot owner/ member of the HOA. Look at the documents, talk with your board members, and work it out reasonably. [Dave] Sometimes, it's just the HOA that's simply gotten high on the 'gang mentality' of power... One person alone wouldn't dare declare "no more white colored doors", but put 5 of them together, and a seemingly realistic request will get picked apart & parsed to death until they find some reason to deny it... I've been to the meetings & heard it happen 1st hand. Sort of like - you're walking on a sidewalk in DC late at night. 1 'blood' gang member approaches, and leaves you alone. 5 bloods approach you & you get robbed... HOA's work on the same principle. Mostly because the written bylaws allow for such abuse with little or no recourse for the homeowner. It pays to read up on the HOA before signing on the dotted line. I've been president of our HOA twice, and my fiancee Nancy is the current president. One reason it's such a lousy job is because everyone is so damn belligerent about every little issue. Everyone wants the rules to apply to the other guys, but not them. There could be all sorts of considerations involved in Matthew's case. One concern might be the desire to avoid having hulks up on cinder blocks in the neighborhood. Another might be that in most cases in Virginia, individual lots are bounded only a few feet from the building; the rest, including most of the driveways, may be common area. [Dave] I went through this BS when I served the HOA at my row house. The board wanted a similar rule - no work on cars, the justification being there were several auto shops near by, with 'reasonable' rates, and it would beautify the neighborhood. No bike shops though, so I made the bylaws my friend, quoting chapter and verse that they needed 67% written owner approval for a change of that magnitude and public meetings were required beforehand, etc... In the end, they reaffirmed the existing rule - no cars on blocks or in a visible state of disrepair for more than 7 days. If the HOA is reasonable, Larry's right, you get more flies with honey... chances are it can be worked out. If they're compensating for holes in their lives by trying to exert power over their loyal subjects, there are only 2 ways I know of to bring the HOA around. 1 is illegal, the other is to infiltrate them from within. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TNJBZ4014776; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:19:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TNJBeN014772; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:19:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Dave Yates" To: "'dan'" , "'Wayne Edelen'" Cc: Subject: RE: Weekend trip on Softail Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:07:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c23754$f68cd340$b282c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Yeah, I've seen what you drive. I'd bet 95% of the cars on the road can't do the 1/4 in 15. Face it, you are a speed junkie!!! [Dave] You say that like it's a bad thing ! ! ! ! You should have rented a Big Dog or something with a nice 113" motor in it. Of course that would have shook the wife right off! [Dave] Haven't seen those rented anywhere... What about Valkyrie's ? I had a V-Star 1100 before the 'King . Handled worse, but was slightly faster. Lots of cheap plastic everywhere. While it was a good bike it lacked character, but what do I know, I ride a VFR, the bike accused of having the least character of any of em. I don't think you'll be impressed with anything but the power cruisers like the VTX and the new Yamaha. [Dave] Doesn't the Val. have somewhere around 100 foot pounds of torque ? ? ? You really can't compare a Harley to anything else. Doing so is missing the point. Why the hell would any one want to drive a classic car when a new Camry can beat it every which way? [Dave] perhaps you're thinking of the wrong classic car ;-) He just wants more power, and I can relate... Unfortunately, the 'power cruisers' are few & rare... Maybe if you're going to rent a Harley next time, spend the money & buy a N2O kit for one... Much cheaper than the whole bike ! HTH Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' LTT customized M96G EII 'Little Friend' http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6TNggZ4015043; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:42:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6TNggLw015038; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:42:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D45D2AA.3010701@erols.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:41:31 -0400 From: Steve Price User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: VFR for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Selling 87 Honda VFR has ohlins race shock, corbin seat, yosh short can with a dyno jet stage 1 kit. Asking $2500.00 obo. It's located in Md. Thanks Steve _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U0OrZ4015448; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:24:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U0OqWh015440; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:24:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: jsteele@XXXXXX (Unverified) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:24:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeff Steele Subject: Re: Weekend trip on Softail Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "William J. Huson" wrote: >Wayne Edelen wrote: > >> My wife liked the comfy seat and backrest, but didn't much like the >> constant vibration. > >Vibration? I forgeot, does the softail have a rigid mount engine? Even then, >I do believe all the new ones have counterbalancers and those engines are rock >steady. I'm jumping into this a little late since I'm in digest mode. But, yes Softails have rigidly mounted engines with counterbalancers (at least the late models). The counterbalancer doesn't seem to help much at higher rpms so there are still vibrations at highway speeds. Either the Dynas or the Tourer models -- all of which have rubber mounted engines -- would offer more comfort. > > For me, the bike was underwhelming. I tried to keep in mind the intended >> use, but it was still a heap. The motorcycle had so little power, it was >> almost dangerous. 50% of the cars out there have a better acceleration >> than this thing. > >Hmm... doubt that. Toyota sells a pile of Corolla and a moped would kick >their ass. Also, if the bike was yours rather than a rental, you would probably do the "Harley Tax" and put a little more life into it. > > The cornering clearance is absurd, but maybe all >> cruisers are the same way. I was constantly dragging shit just pulling >> into parking lots! > >Again, strange. Sure the suspension was keyed in for gross body wieght? >I've watched several full dressers do a figure 8 inside a 20 w X 60 l box and >not drag a dern thang. Agreed. > > Just my .02, not meant to offend of the Harley riders on the list, just >> passing on my thoughts after spending 4 days and ~500 miles with the >> bike. FWIW, this was my first foray into the cruiser-world after only >> riding standards, sportbikes and nakeds. > >No offense to me. Different strokes for different folks. I think sportbikes >blow smega, mainly because my arthritic bod can't assume the cramped position >without screaming in agony. And most jap bikes are just too, too *poofy*. > >Bill Yeah, no offense to me either. I thought the review was pretty objective. You might try a Road King or a Glide before you give up on Harleys all together. Jeff Steele '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U0gWZ4015693; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:42:32 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U0gV25015689; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:42:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Subject: Bike, leather jacket and leathers for sale Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I'm selling some of my motorcycle equipment to pursue my dreams of building custom furniture. 1995 Kawasaki ZX9R, burgundy, 18,500 miles, all stock. This has the beefy upside down forks with 126 HP 900cc motor. It is a sweet looking bike in solid burgundy. Kelly blue book has $3800 trade-in and $5500 retail. So, I split the difference and am asking $4600 obo. This bike is extremely well maintained. The 7500 mi. services were done at 500 mi (Cycles USA), 6000 mi (Coleman), and 12000 mi (Cycle Sport Herndon). Always used golden spectro or bel ray racelube. Oil always changed at < 3000 mi intervals. Never crashed, but did once fall when sunk into asphalt in my driveway. Small scratches are hardly noticeable. I used this bike for one cycle sport track day, otherwise all street miles (mostly highway commuting against traffic). I'm the original owner. Jacket, First Gear stealth pilot. All black with vents and liner. Size 46. Fits around 6' 185 lb. It uhhhh, shrunk while I owned it so I can't wear it with the liner anymore. I'm 6'3", 195 lb. Is a $450 jacket new, has some really light wear and one minor scuff on the elbow where I caught a door latch (smaller than a dime). Has armor in shoulders and elbows and a kidney belt built in. Double leather along spine. Asking $200. Leathers, Vanson size 48 (slightly small for me). These are the top of the line Vansons that sell for $1200 with full armor and a great back protector built in. Armor in knees, elbows and forearm, shoulders, hips. Back protector with plastic vertebrae spine protection. I used this thing for racing and it is well used. Has scuffs all over and some grease and dirt on it. The right knee puck fell off and the leather on the knee got torn and rashed before I realized it was gone. Right knee puck was duct taped in place to finish the endurance race. One of the little zippers around the ankles is also broken. With a little effort on the knee, this suit would be perfect for the low budget racer or occasional track dayer. Vanson will refurbish their suits, but I don't know how much that would cost. All it needs to be usable is some new velcro sewn on the knee. It is white/red/black. Asking $200. Will throw in some ugly kaw green fieldsheer boots to complete the track protection package. e-mail me for pictures or call in the evening (301)438-1630. Jay St. Peter _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U0njZ4015890; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:49:45 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U0njCg015884; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:49:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Weekend trip on Softail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Jeff Steele wrote: > >Vibration? I forgeot, does the softail have a rigid mount engine? Even then, > >I do believe all the new ones have counterbalancers and those engines are rock > >steady. > > I'm jumping into this a little late since I'm in digest mode. But, > yes Softails have rigidly mounted engines with counterbalancers (at > least the late models). The counterbalancer doesn't seem to help much > at higher rpms so there are still vibrations at highway speeds. > Either the Dynas or the Tourer models -- all of which have rubber > mounted engines -- would offer more comfort. I tried to get a Road King, but the 2 they have for rent were both taken. I wasn't aware of the rigid vs rubber mounts. > Yeah, no offense to me either. I thought the review was pretty > objective. You might try a Road King or a Glide before you give up on > Harleys all together. > > Jeff Steele > '99 XLH Sportster 883 Hugger Thanks. Can't remember if I mentioned it, but a Harley riding buddy of mine offered me a test ride on his new '02 (?) FI Road King. I'll have to take him up on the offer! -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U2bVZ4016547; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:37:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U2bUbP016536; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:37:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020729222302.030985c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:34:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729180245.00bc4c48@mail.9netave.com> References: <20020729171438.HWPB1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.n et> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:19 PM 7/29/02 -0400, you wrote: >At 01:14 PM 7/29/2002 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: > >>... One other possible out is if the HOA doesn't enforce the rules >>consistently. If, for example, one car owner regularly gets away with >>violating the rule, then the HOA loses the power to enforce that rule. > >Again, that's an oversimplification. Yes, I said a "possible out." There is a legal concept relating to homeowners law called "latches." Simplified, it states that the rules must be applied consistently, and must be enforced when a violation is known. If the HOA can be shown to have failed to enforce a restriction over a period of time, the courts can, and do, declare that provision null and void. I've seen it happen. >>You'd probably need a lawyer experienced in HOA law and a trip to court >>to win, however. > >Agreed. However, this is not supposed to be a purely adversarial >proceeding, since the offender is himself a lot owner/ member of the HOA. >Look at the documents, talk with your board members, and work it out >reasonably. > >I've been president of our HOA twice, and my fiancee Nancy is the current >president. One reason it's such a lousy job is because everyone is so damn >belligerent about every little issue. Everyone wants the rules to apply to >the other guys, but not them. Actually, having been on several boards, I'd say the belligerence usually starts with the board. They tend to be populated with nitpickers (not knowing you or your fiancee, I make no personal aspersions at all) who have absolutely no sense of proportion, and treat an out of place flowerbed or number plate as an offense in line with adding an extra 2 stories on your house and painting them purple and orange. The main reason I've been active on boards is to try to bring a voice of reason and compromise to them. Most of the time, I'm the lone voice in the wilderness. I've seen both sides--I once had a neighbor who's Volvo was in a constant state of disrepair, and real eye-sore. And he refused numerous requests to discuss it with the board, so we had it towed. I've also seen, in another development, a homeowner harassed for rotating his tires in his own driveway. And some HOA's have gone as far as banning motorcycles (and pickups) from parking in public areas (which makes it kind of tough when you live in a townhouse without a garage.). Bob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U2hkZ4016756; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:43:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U2hjsq016751; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:43:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:43:12 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: glenn_dysart@XXXXXX, dan@XXXXXX, t_gimer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Poll ranks `The Dragon'No. 1 Message-ID: <0D87DB8E.4AC97960.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I visited LA 3 weeks ago. I guess the cali folks weren't surveyed. There are a lot of places to ride I mean a lot. ItM-bM-^@M-^Ys bikerM-bM-^@M-^Ys heaven. One place we went to was the Cannons in LA but everyone talks about GMR(Glendora Mountain Road). IM-bM-^@M-^Yve also noticed that Sport Rider and Cycle World do most of there motorcycle road test in Southern Califorina. Here is a map of GMR: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=6&mapdata=jZ2g%2b%2fXW8V8BzTgar0zh7c0P8aDUCraURz69Z4E9%2ba0cBc73nh75Xc0ytih1Seemm6fiUh%2bl7ONQP2DlZMlVHp1ZsOPsc1C6bpezGmQ7m7X11tFSmRUJo8OCtrZIxIZQC7eLWjRzCrpyeyfpNT0o39kLSgckYmfyQp2ymdeDqTAsQ1J6%2bKhB%2bQSl%2fXHla6faZ%2fdWClWlZ5ihgmcqnm8QOBENBZIrqoknsgTDYtg7pCAQD%2bBNdmv1JUF%2fivpaDatroFYm3R65J1Q1ymtPLNcFZ0XOun82Rmq9 -mark In a message dated Mon, 29 Jul 2002 5:41:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > > > Well personally I don't think the dragon is all that. > Sure its demanding but as you say its not far and > above other roads I've been on in VA/WV or NC. VA 16 > comes to mind as one awesome road and none of the > traffic deals gap has. I could think of a ton of > other orads but why bother. Deals Gap is more of > trendy thing IMO. > > Glenn > > --- dan wrote: > > > > > The main attraction, though, is the curves. > > > > > ``There are no two alike,'' Johnson said. > > ``And another > > > > thing, is it's > > > > > relatively flat. You're not constantly going > > up and > > > > down mountains.'' > > > > > > > > What??? Half the fun is going up and down > > moutains for > > > > me. It adds a > > > > nice level of complexity, especially those down > > hill > > > > decreasing radius turns! > > > > > > have you been to the dragon? it has plenty of > > what you > > > describe..... and tight! plus, without the need > > for 5k > > > feet of elevation changes. i agree with johnson > > here.... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U2m0Z4016953; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:48:00 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U2m0b6016946; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:48:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <007201c23768$4e31acc0$d7765b0c@micron> From: "Mobacc \(now @ATT\)" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Headlight Modulation Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:05:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Kathleen inquired: Do any members of this list use Headlight Modulation systems on their motorcycles? . . . and further. --- A modulator has been installed on my bike for a few years and has been comfortable, with no police or regulatory objections so far. My first one (purchased privately-new at a discount) did a soft fade (increasing periods of non-modulation) for a month or so finally dying several weeks ago at which point it was replaced (Kriss, the mfr, probably still having a going out of business sale). Is the questioning aimed at (your?) individual use, or a user survey of some kind? Be happy to embellish offline if you wish. Bill S. / DC '99 VN750 --> Never accused of flashing Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U39dZ4017289; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:09:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U39cDg017284; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:09:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730030936.96412.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:09:36 -0700 (PDT) From: matthew patton Subject: wrap-up - Re: Telling off the HOA? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729180245.00bc4c48@mail.9netave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I want to thank al the members who chimed in and gave some insight into the matter incl. TG who was so kind as to lambast me. My issue wasn't about "is this or that allowed or not" but if the HOA has/had any authority to even make up such things. And having made them up, to try to force their will on private property. Or is it private property any more... My maint is done entirely in my garage or the adjoining apron which is still my property and not the public driveways. Where I probably erred was leaving a partially disassembled bike without a cover on it on said apron (missing tank and bodywork). I can appreciate the community's reluctance to see vehicles in disrepair even if i think such people need to get a life particularly when it's not exactly visible from the main traffic paths in the community. I can also understand not wanting fluid spills and what not but that's actually a county ordinance. Next time I'll close the garage door when I change my car's oil. I think too the particular neighbor who has it in for me objected to the sometimes late, multi-bike maint sessions I've hosted in times past. So I guess from now on it'll be limited to 1 bike at a time and it has to be done in the garage where it's not visible. The HOA here (2 of them) is public enemy #1. They have screwed the residents far and wide over parking and the meetings have that beseiged tone to them. Attempts to appeal to reason have pretty much failed and not just my issues. I frankly don't understand what public good they serve. Seems like they are just one more outlet for Stalinist busy-bodies. > belligerent about every little issue. Everyone wants the rules to > apply to the other guys, but not them. Like most regs, I think they should burn 2/3rds of them selected randomly. I'm not the least bit interested in forcing my predilictions onto somebody else. Whatever happened to live and let live and if you have a gripe having the decency to confront in a timely fashion? HOA's to me are the tools of cowards. > concern might be the desire to avoid having hulks up on cinder blocks > in the neighborhood. True enough. But the rules go beyond that to simply prevent essentially any and all work of a mechanical nature no matter the scope. If the intent was to prevent people from running commercial enterprises, then fine leave it at that. Such a clause already exists. I'm not opposed to penalties for fluid spills but to ban an activity because it 'might' happen is akin to banning sex because kids might happen. It's dumb and counterproductive and needlessly meddlesome. Then again that's what modern gov't only seems to care about. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U39vZ4017327; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:09:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U39vhR017321; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:09:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729230502.00bebe78@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:10:56 -0400 To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020729222302.030985c0@pop.east.cox.net> References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020729180245.00bc4c48@mail.9netave.com> <20020729171438.HWPB1975.lakemtao03.cox.net@XXXXXX et> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:34 PM 7/29/2002 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: >Actually, having been on several boards, I'd say the belligerence usually >starts with the board. They tend to be populated with nitpickers (not >knowing you or your fiancee, I make no personal aspersions at all) who >have absolutely no sense of proportion, and treat an out of place >flowerbed or number plate as an offense in line with adding an extra 2 >stories on your house and painting them purple and orange. Actually, I just put up my new number plate this evening. 8;) When I was president of the board, I painted our house a nice green with a purple door (perfect Wimbledon colors). Somehow, the board didn't like it -- they insisted on "Williamsburg colors," despite having no idea what the original Williamsburg colors were. It's *so* much fun dealing with a board! >.... And some HOA's have gone as far as banning motorcycles (and pickups) >from parking in public areas (which makes it kind of tough when you live >in a townhouse without a garage.). Our townhouses have garages, yet we still have the same battles, with those who want to park their minivans in the six-foot long driveways, with the butts sticking into the drives so their neighbors can't get into their own garages. Reasonable people are in short supply everywhere. -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U3E3Z4017649; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:14:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U3E361017645; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:14:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730031400.42626.qmail@web21411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: wrap-up - Re: Telling off the HOA? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020730030936.96412.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > ....I'm not opposed to penalties for fluid spills but to > ban an activity > because it 'might' happen is akin to banning sex > because kids might > happen. It's dumb and counterproductive and > needlessly meddlesome. Now there you go, picking on the Pope for no reason... -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6U3GEZ4017832; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:16:14 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6U3GDa9017826; Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:16:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:16:09 EDT Subject: im new! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! im jenn and i'm new. 'at what?' you ask --- just about everything! i took the MSF over memorial day weekend of this year. i did not anticipate purchasing a motorcycle this summer due to going to europe this fall but i had a bike within a month! i bought a nice 2002 purple honda shadow vlx deluxe. ive had it about a month and put 1700 miles on it. not too shabby for driving a motorcycle for the first time at the end of may! (rode on many -- never drove!) my dilemna --- im looking for people to ride with and someone from dcsportbikeriders club at yahoo recommended your listserve! (collin says hi to all of you who know him!) i live in owings mills and store my bike in westminster. any recommendations for newbies? anyone want to ride sometime? let me know :) jennthebiker (as my email address says --- but what really constitutes someone as a biker?) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: <00a101c237c8$a284bc30$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Jenn the biker wrote: > hi everyone! Hi. > i took the MSF over memorial the end of may! (rode on many > -- never drove!) Congrats. You are now a member of The Club. > any recommendations for newbies? anyone want to ride sometime? let me know Take the time to wade (use the delete button) through the flame wars. There are a few smart *and* experienced people on this list with very good advice. You just have to ignore the political rants...BTW, politics includes guns, Home Owner Associations (HOAs), oils (synthetic vs. mineral and paper vs. foam filter), rear brakes, chains vs. driveshafts, headlight modulators, and As The Roach Turns (aka One Laura To Live). Be wary of group rides through the wilderness involving people who don't really know each other. The crash to ride ratio on these is pretty high, especially if you see the alphanumeric sequence "R6" involved at any point. The low-key rides (e.g. the one Patti the Lantech and _____ did last year) are crash free, good fun, and good peoples. You can probably find a sub-group of people from this list that are both geographically convenient and relatively crash free with whom you will ride on a regular basis. Tom Gimer and Chuck Pena have a secret love affair going on, but think that they've thrown us off of the scent with their constant bickering. Both are v. fine, decent, and knowledgeable people. --jon 01 Suzuki Bandit 1200 ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UD8vZ4021295; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:08:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UD8vVK021288; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:08:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:08:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200207300908.AA54985130@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , matthew patton Subject: Re: wrap-up - Re: Telling off the HOA? X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: matthew patton >Like most regs, I think they should burn 2/3rds of them selected >randomly. I'm not the least bit interested in forcing my predilictions >onto somebody else. Whatever happened to live and let live and if you >have a gripe having the decency to confront in a timely fashion? HOA's >to me are the tools of cowards. The big problem here is that you saw and agreed in writing to abide by the HOA rules. (Assuming your property settlement was conducted as it's supposed to be, and I don't doubt there's been cases where rules were changed after people signed them.) If the complaints exceed the rules, then you can turn the rules back on the HOA and the complainer. In other areas I've had several wonderful experiences when I demanded a complainer follow the rules he thought he was quoting. I won't buy where there's an HOA. The "increase in value" and the "neighborhood consistency" are not worth the restrictions in freedom. Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UD9GZ4021332; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:09:16 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UD9F9I021326; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:09:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Lisa Goddard" To: "dcccycles" Subject: bike parking near MCI Center? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:08:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 I am going to a Mystics game tonight and would appreciate any suggestions on bike parking near MCI center. Please reply directly to me as I am on digest. thanks, Lisa '95 VFR _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDIaZ4021686; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:18:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDIawP021679; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:18:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 30 Jul 2002 13:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20020730131833.30744.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im new! X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Jennthebiker joined the fray >hi everyone! >im jenn and i'm new. 'at what?' you ask [Dave] well, not really... --- just about everything! [Dave] I'm not touching that one... >i took the MSF over memorial day weekend of this year. i did not anticipate >purchasing a motorcycle this summer due to going to europe this fall but i >had a bike within a month! [Dave] Congratulations on both. The superiority of 2 wheeled transportation & those who use it, is well documented. i bought a nice 2002 purple honda shadow vlx >deluxe. ive had it about a month and put 1700 miles on it. not too shabby >for driving a motorcycle for the first time at the end of may! (rode on many >-- never drove!) [Dave] Since you're a newbie, remember what MSF taught you & use it. Don't tailgate, avoid cages, and wear good, complete gear. >my dilemna --- im looking for people to ride with and someone from >dcsportbikeriders club at yahoo recommended your listserve! (collin says hi >to all of you who know him!) i live in owings mills and store my bike in >westminster. >any recommendations for newbies? anyone want to ride sometime? let me know >:) [Dave] There are plenty of bikers here that ride regularly. Should you go riding with a group, remember, ride YOUR pace, not the group's. >jennthebiker >(as my email address says --- but what really constitutes someone as a >biker?) [Dave] Do you always ask this many questions ? ;-) Welcome to the list... Dave Yates ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDKoZ4021870; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:20:50 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDKnCG021865; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:20:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002601c237cc$94b45ee0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Motorcat passes on Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:25:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19025-2002Jul29.html Paul in DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDUhZ4022079; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:30:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDUhJ2022074; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:30:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730133040.61971.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:30:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Telling off the HOA? To: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020729222302.030985c0@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bob Meyer wrote: > At 06:19 PM 7/29/02 -0400, you wrote: > >At 01:14 PM 7/29/2002 -0400, Bob Meyer wrote: > > > >>... One other possible out is if the HOA doesn't > enforce the rules > >>consistently. If, for example, one car owner regularly > gets away with > >>violating the rule, then the HOA loses the power to > enforce that rule. > > > >Again, that's an oversimplification. > > > Yes, I said a "possible out." There is a legal concept > relating to > homeowners law called "latches." Simplified, it states > that the rules must > be applied consistently, and must be enforced when a > violation is > known. If the HOA can be shown to have failed to enforce > a restriction > over a period of time, the courts can, and do, declare > that provision null > and void. I've seen it happen. it's actually laches and it is a doctrine that is not limited to the HOA area.... but considering mr. patton hasn't provided any info regarding HOA failure to assert its rights (they seem to be on the ball here), or any evidence of a reliance upon such a failure, i doubt it would apply here.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDVFZ4022256; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:31:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDVEmt022251; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:31:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: bike parking near MCI Center? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:30:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 13:30:07.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[389F69F0:01C237CD] Hey Lisa! Nice to hear from you. I would be interested in similar information, as I have been doing some consulting down near the old Convention Center (9th & H St, NW) and have yet to find anything within 6 blocks. The last time I was down there, I parked at 15th & G, at the "headless" meters. I know there are spaces at 14th & K, and again at New York & Vermont, but they're even further away. Perry >From: "Lisa Goddard" >To: "dcccycles" >Subject: bike parking near MCI Center? >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:08:44 -0400 > > >I am going to a Mystics game tonight and would appreciate any suggestions >on >bike parking near MCI center. > >Please reply directly to me as I am on digest. > >thanks, > >Lisa >'95 VFR > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDZuZ4022440; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:35:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDZuFv022435; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:35:56 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730133551.5094.qmail@web14612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: wrap-up - Re: Telling off the HOA? To: matthew patton , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020730030936.96412.qmail@web20101.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- matthew patton wrote: > I want to thank al the members who chimed in and gave > some insight into > the matter incl. TG who was so kind as to lambast me. always happy to help.... > My issue wasn't about "is this or that allowed or not" > but if the HOA > has/had any authority to even make up such things. And > having made them > up, to try to force their will on private property. Or is > it private > property any more... matthew, have you secured the relevant agreements yet? only in them will you find your answer(s).... wouldn't it be neat if the HOA's only remedy was to fine you some petty amount? get the docs, dude.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDcvZ4022616; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:38:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDcvMN022611; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:38:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Lovely Afternoon Ride Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:37:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207300937432I.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit So I'm bailing out yesterday afternoon, 3:15pm or so. I head down the South Capital (ramp from Independance Ave) ramp to the east-west highway. I'm in the right lane and have to cross 3 lanes (5 lanes total) to get to the left lane for HOV south. I'm in the right lane which exits about a block past the NASA building. I look to my left on the curve at the two bike long opening in traffic, I signal and slide in. Porche in front of me, white Suzuki SUV behind, a little on the close side. We come up to the island between the two right lanes and the E-W highway. Again, looking to the left, signal (and see the SUV move over at the same time), and slide to the left. *beeeep* _flash lights_ I do the flip wave (no no, not flip her off, just the abrupt "yea whatever" wave). I slide over again and she moves up next to me on the right and flips me off. Ok, so I flip her off too. Probably the worst thing. Don't annoy the animals in the zoo. She starts a quick move into my lane. When she's half way in, I see my opening and move left again. One more time and I'm in the left lane and moving. The last I see of her is that she exited to the second right hand exit (to the Memorial Bridge?). Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDdcZ4022790; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:39:38 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDdbn9022783; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:39:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA295@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: lisagoddard@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike parking near MCI Center? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:40:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There's about 5 spots at the McDonalds at NY and 13th. MC parking only goes to 6:30 so that might not help w/ the game. At that time of day I personally squeeze in between spots. From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:30 AM I would be interested in similar information, as I have been doing some consulting down near the old Convention Center (9th & H St, NW) and have yet to find anything within 6 blocks. The last time I was down there, I parked at 15th & G, at the "headless" meters. I know there are spaces at 14th & K, and again at New York & Vermont, but they're even further away. >From: "Lisa Goddard" >To: "dcccycles" >I am going to a Mystics game tonight and would appreciate any suggestions >on >bike parking near MCI center. >Please reply directly to me as I am on digest. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDhFZ4022989; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:43:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDhFlG022984; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:43:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730134312.35533.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:43:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: RE: bike parking near MCI Center? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA295@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii according to dccycles web site, there are moto spots on the 600 block of E and G streets, both of which are near the MCI center; check out http://www.dccycles.com/ and then click on Area Riding and then DC Parking --- Rich Hall wrote: > There's about 5 spots at the McDonalds at NY and > 13th. > MC parking only goes to 6:30 so that might not help > w/ the game. At that > time of day I personally squeeze in between spots. > > > From: Perry Coleman > [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:30 AM > > I would be interested in similar information, as I > have been doing some > consulting down near the old Convention Center (9th > & H St, NW) and have yet > > to find anything within 6 blocks. The last time I > was down there, I parked > at 15th & G, at the "headless" meters. I know there > are spaces at 14th & K, > and again at New York & Vermont, but they're even > further away. > > > >From: "Lisa Goddard" > >To: "dcccycles" > > >I am going to a Mystics game tonight and would > appreciate any suggestions > >on > >bike parking near MCI center. > >Please reply directly to me as I am on digest. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDhTZ4023025; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:43:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDhTiW023020; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:43:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Sandler, Mike" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Where do the riders meet? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:30:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So, if a rider (sport or otherwise) wants to meet-up with other riders on the weekend, where would he/she go and what time? For example, I heard that; a group of sport riders gather somewhere in Manassas on weekend mornings to go off and attack the 211 as a group. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDhxZ4023197; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:43:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDhwhJ023190; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:43:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730134356.82900.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:43:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Motorcat passes on To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list In-Reply-To: <002601c237cc$94b45ee0$bb82fea9@palladio1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a shame. always a treat to see those two on the road. one heck of a pussy, the little fuzzy one.... --- Paul Wilson wrote: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19025-2002Jul29.html > > > Paul in DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UDwTZ4023597; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:58:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UDwSkl023589; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:58:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 30 Jul 2002 13:58:20 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: OT: Recommendations/Avoidances wanted X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:58:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020730065820.25905.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> As many of you know, Roach and I are planning our wedding. We are getting married May 3, 2003. We have picked the place and the date, and now we have the extremely fun job of picking everything else. Those of you who have gotten married in this area or who are getting married...if you have any recommendations on who to use or NOT to use, on the following, please let us know! photographers caterers cake maker DJ event rental places (tents, etc.) florists Thanks so much! LAG (<-- soon to be LAR) ;) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UE3NZ4023816; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:03:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UE3NXT023812; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:03:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVa2BJtTHoTseWhhqg+YbHQZqe4Jg4GOZsIKs17GpR1dLSTEb7ROZEWseMJivaxOKU0= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Recommendations/Avoidances wanted Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00a601c237d1$eb7856a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <20020730065820.25905.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Importance: Normal Geez, who was the lister who got royally screwed by some place to the west of here? Inside vs. outside ceremony, a whole litany of unkept promises. Congrats, LAG-R & R. --jon -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Recommendations/Avoidances wanted As many of you know, Roach and I are planning our wedding. We are getting married May 3, 2003. We have picked the place and the date, and now we have the extremely fun job of picking everything else. Those of you who have gotten married in this area or who are getting married...if you have any recommendations on who to use or NOT to use, on the following, please let us know! photographers caterers cake maker DJ event rental places (tents, etc.) florists Thanks so much! LAG (<-- soon to be LAR) ;) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UE8rZ4024020; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:08:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UE8rQb024015; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:08:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Sent: 30 Jul 2002 14:08:45 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "LAURA GRANATO" Subject: RE: Recommendations/Avoidances wanted X-Sent-From: lgranato@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:08:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: Web Mail 5.0.11-9 Message-Id: <20020730070845.3842.h012.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> On Tue, 30 July 2002, "Jon Strang" wrote: > Congrats, LAG-R & R. > Thanks, Jon! :) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UE9OZ4024064; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:09:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UE9OYV024058; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:09:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZX17I5zQFAXq1nsuKiTK49h+Nz1Vba1yy9E7irvvmaNeKqpfXkNYpcv35sdd62FJs= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: OT- red light camara article Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:09:46 -0400 Message-ID: <00a701c237d2$c2dcb820$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <00a601c237d1$eb7856a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Importance: Normal http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/082izwax.a sp executive summary: bad/misleading statistical analysis supported red light camaras; in reality there's an increase in rear-end accidents at intersections with camaras. mandatory moto content: getting rear ended really sux for a biker. --jon _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UECVZ4024382; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:12:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UECV6x024376; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:12:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020730101254.00bd7868@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:13:31 -0400 To: , , From: Larry Larson Subject: RE: im new! In-Reply-To: <00a101c237c8$a284bc30$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:57 AM 7/30/2002 -0400, Jon Strang wrote: >Tom Gimer and Chuck Pena have a secret love affair going on, but think that >they've thrown us off of the scent with their constant bickering. Both are >v. fine, decent, and knowledgeable people. Whoa. Sounds like a love *triangle*. -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UECiZ4024424; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:12:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UECh11024417; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:12:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:12:39 -0700 From: To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: RE: im new! Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Welcome to the list, Jenn. Be careful what you wish/ask for! %^) wrote: > through the flame wars. There are a few smart *and* experienced people on this list with very good advice. Jon is not one of them. > Be wary of group rides through the wilderness involving people who don't really know each other. This is Jon's polite way of saying steer clear of us hooligan sportbike riders ... at least for now -- later, you'll want to get a sportbike, learn to pull wheelies and stoppies, and drag knee. But seriously ... "spirited" (this is just a euphemism for extra-legal speeds) sportbike rides are probably not going to be your cup of tea at this stage of your riding. You'll either just get totally frusrated (at being left behind) or try to ride way over your head to keep up (with the attendant risks and consequences). I'm sure you'll be able to find a group of like-minded riders of similar ability to enjoy the roads with. "Enjoy" is the operative word. Ride at your own pace for your own reasons with people you trust. If anyone on the list is brave enough to lead another "relaxed" or otherwise "newbie friendly" ride, you should definitely give it a go. > Tom Gimer and Chuck Pena have a secret love affair going on, but think that they've thrown us off of the scent with their constant bickering. Both are v. fine, decent, and knowledgeable people. I second this opinion. At least about me. Gimer is just a no good lech. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEGkZ4024754; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:16:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEGkD8024748; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:16:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020730101422.00c1ee48@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:17:50 -0400 To: "Paul Wilson" , "dc-cycles list" From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Motorcat passes on In-Reply-To: <002601c237cc$94b45ee0$bb82fea9@palladio1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:25 AM 7/30/2002 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19025-2002Jul29.html Thanks for posting that, Paul. Motorcat's demise was mentioned on at least two radio stations this morning; the Post gave her a longer memoriam than many national politicians have received. We'll hoist a whisky in her honor after dinner tonight... Anyone actually know Catman and his GS-500? -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEGwZ4024794; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:16:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEGvlB024789; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:16:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: thelostshark@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: lisagoddard@XXXXXX Subject: RE: bike parking near MCI Center? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:16:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 14:16:50.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF460760:01C237D3] Has anyone confirmed those spaces lately? I'm not saying for sure, but with all the construction right around there, I don't know that they're still available. I did try a quick scan, but may have missed them. Perry >From: Isaac Blanck >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: RE: bike parking near MCI Center? >Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:43:12 -0700 (PDT) > >according to dccycles web site, there are moto spots >on the 600 block of E and G streets, both of which are >near the MCI center; check out >http://www.dccycles.com/ and then click on Area >Riding and then DC Parking >--- Rich Hall wrote: > > There's about 5 spots at the McDonalds at NY and > > 13th. > > MC parking only goes to 6:30 so that might not help > > w/ the game. At that > > time of day I personally squeeze in between spots. > > > > > > From: Perry Coleman > > [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:30 AM > > > > I would be interested in similar information, as I > > have been doing some > > consulting down near the old Convention Center (9th > > & H St, NW) and have yet > > > > to find anything within 6 blocks. The last time I > > was down there, I parked > > at 15th & G, at the "headless" meters. I know there > > are spaces at 14th & K, > > and again at New York & Vermont, but they're even > > further away. > > > > > > >From: "Lisa Goddard" > > >To: "dcccycles" > > > > >I am going to a Mystics game tonight and would > > appreciate any suggestions > > >on > > >bike parking near MCI center. > > >Please reply directly to me as I am on digest. > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better >http://health.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UELhZ4025120; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:21:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UELhJv025116; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:21:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYdMLQAzs0pMKL8EWiOHe5h4zInBX9Lx0muSsx31kCPjZPbn1YKCSSLJv2tMv7fyUU= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: im new! Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:22:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00aa01c237d4$7b0f2620$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020730101254.00bd7868@mail.9netave.com> Importance: Normal Larry, I'm not letting you live vicariously through me. Get your own love triangle. Now the rest of you go take some time to claw out your mind's eye. -----Larry Larson blew my cover: >>Tom Gimer and Chuck Pena have a secret love affair going on, but think that >>they've thrown us off of the scent with their constant bickering. Both are >>v. fine, decent, and knowledgeable people. >Whoa. Sounds like a love *triangle*. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UENwZ4025296; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:23:58 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UENvVu025290; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:23:57 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:23:54 -0700 From: To: msandler@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where do the riders meet? Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Mike, This would be IMHO a "ride at your own risk" kind of ride. It could be a good group, but just as likely to be one where you're just asking for trouble. FWIW, 211 this time of year is just way too crowded with sportbikes, many of which are piloted by less than skilled riders who also have poor judgement. Also, the place is just crawling with cops. While 211 over Thornton Gap is a great road for hooning, I avoid it like the plague. You should take note that over on the SBN list (a group whose members routinely ride 211 and other nearby roads), they seem to have a crash every week on their rides. Crashing is something that happens on rides (sportbike and otherwise) and I've had to deal with people crashing on rides I've led, but they seem to crash all too regularly for my tastes. Chuck On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:30:27 -0400 "Sandler, Mike" wrote: that; a group of sport riders gather somewhere in Manassas on weekend mornings to go off and attack the 211 as a group. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEOJZ4025346; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEOJ4g025337; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:24:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: , Jennthebiker@XXXXXX, jmstrang@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im new! Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:23:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207301023042K.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 30 July 2002 10:12, cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Welcome to the list, Jenn. Be careful what you wish/ask for! %^) > Yea, welcome to the list (it won't be long before I'm an oldster). > But seriously ... > "spirited" (this is just a euphemism for extra-legal speeds) sportbike > rides are probably not going to be your cup of tea at this stage of your > riding. You'll either just get totally frusrated (at being left behind) or > try to ride way over your head to keep up (with the attendant risks and > consequences). I'm sure you'll be able to find a group of like-minded > riders of similar ability to enjoy the roads with. You might try some of the more organized rides rather than a group like this. Personally I mostly prefer not to ride as a group (there are exceptions). The ride to New York was pretty hairy last November trying to keep my position with the rest of the riders. I felt more hemmed in than in regular traffic. Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEZsZ4025726; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:35:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEZrXc025719; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:35:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <00aa01c237d7$1153dc00$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Larry Larson" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <5.1.1.6.0.20020730101422.00c1ee48@mail.9netave.com> Subject: Re: Motorcat passes on Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:31:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Well, I'm a cat person. Yet, I don't think any of our felines is going to be auditioning to become Motorcat 2. :) I saw some footage of Motorcat on Animal Planet or some such once. Had me grinning for a week. Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Larson" > At 09:25 AM 7/30/2002 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19025-2002Jul29.html > > Thanks for posting that, Paul. Motorcat's demise was mentioned on at least > two radio stations this morning; the Post gave her a longer memoriam than > many national politicians have received. > > We'll hoist a whisky in her honor after dinner tonight... > > Anyone actually know Catman and his GS-500? > > -- Larry > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEhYZ4025942; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:43:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEhX94025936; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:43:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:39:50 -0400 From: Marc Read Subject: C'est la vie: a request for advice To: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Hello again, everyone -- I'm a Brit who has just been lurking for a little while. Here's my situation: I just took the MSF Basic Course and --uh oh-- failed the MD licensing test (although I got my MSF completion card...). I had a perfect scorecard apart from one mistake, but that one was a showstopper (crossing a white line in the 'high-speed' turn -- a new test for this year). It was entirely my fault: I was fixating on the exit cones rather than keeping my head up, and I'm not complaining about unfairness or anything. Anyway, it's all very frustrating. I get a free re-take of the test, but the examiner can't do it this week and then I'm out of town for three weeks on vacation, which seems like forever. It looks like I'm stuck with the wait, *unless* anybody knows a place that will rent bikes. I have a UK license, which should be enough -- it is for car rental. Then I could take it up to the MVA and just do their test instead. Any thoughts or helpful suggestions? Obviously, I'm very embarrassed; I was the only guy on the course who could do U-turns, with about 40000 miles' riding experience, and I ****ed it all up in the last 10 seconds of the test! Marc PS You might wonder why I need a US license at all, if I can ride on my UK one. The answer is: insurance. Also, strictly, since I've been in the US for a year, I can't *register* a bike on the foreign one, or that's how I understand it. -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEmtZ4026155; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:48:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEmtn7026150; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:48:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im new! In-Reply-To: <0207301023042K.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Carl Schelin wrote: > > try to ride way over your head to keep up (with the attendant risks and > > consequences). I'm sure you'll be able to find a group of like-minded > > riders of similar ability to enjoy the roads with. > > You might try some of the more organized rides rather than a group like this. > Personally I mostly prefer not to ride as a group (there are exceptions). The > ride to New York was pretty hairy last November trying to keep my position > with the rest of the riders. I felt more hemmed in than in regular traffic. > > Carl I agree about most of the rides I've seen. Anything SBN related I avoid like the plague. It seems like every group ride over there ends up with at least 1 accident. Although I haven't ridden with any of the people on this list, the group ride reports generally don't include crash stories :-) I'm setting up a ride for this Saturday, 8/3. It will be a mix of sportbikes (Hayabusa, ZX-11, CBR F4i) and cruisers/standards (HD Dyna, HD Road King, Suzuki Intruder 800, Suzuki GS500E, Honda CB750). 2 of the riders are pretty new, with only 2-3 months experience (Intruder and GS500E). We'll probably start from my house on the east side of Frederick, just off route 70. The ride will be pretty relaxed, although I'll include some nice twisties for those of us that would like to break away for more spirited riding. Drop me an e-mail if you'd like me to include you in the private e-mails regarding the route and directions to my house. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEquZ4026351; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:52:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEqtXM026347; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:52:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: C'est la vie: a request for advice In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Marc Read wrote: > Anyway, it's all very frustrating. I get a free re-take of the test, but > the examiner can't do it this week and then I'm out of town for three > weeks on vacation, which seems like forever. It looks like I'm stuck > with the wait, *unless* anybody knows a place that will rent bikes. I > have a UK license, which should be enough -- it is for car rental. Then > I could take it up to the MVA and just do their test instead. The Harley dealer where I rented the Softail is http://www.hdoffrederick.com/ They also have a Buell M2 Lightning and a XL12000C Sportster @100/day rental, both of which would be fine for an experienced rider to take the test. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UEwNZ4026545; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:58:23 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UEwNR0026541; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:58:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730145820.10404.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:58:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: im new! To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <00a101c237c8$a284bc30$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > Tom Gimer and Chuck Pena have a secret love affair going > on, but think that > they've thrown us off of the scent with their constant > bickering. scent? SCENT? i think i'm going to be sick.... -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UFOBZ4026903; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:24:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UFOApj026895; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:24:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:24:03 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: msandler@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Where do the riders meet? Message-ID: <0D0B1B39.6BF9AA66.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you plan on going out to 211 go with a group of people you trust and make the group small no more then 4 people. It can get ugly out there. I do alot of group riding out there and our main goal is to remain in one piece. Take it easy out there and don't go "GUN HO." Remember to keep your spacing. With that said, just enjoy and take in the scenery. -Mark In a message dated Tue, 30 Jul 2002 8:30:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, msandler@XXXXXX writes: > > > So, if a rider (sport or otherwise) wants to meet-up with other riders on > the weekend, where would he/she go and what time? For example, I heard > that; a group of sport riders gather somewhere in Manassas on weekend > mornings to go off and attack the 211 as a group. > > Thanks in advance > > Mike > > > *********************************************** > Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, > distribution or copying of this E-mail or the information herein by anyone > other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you > have received this E-mail in error, please call the Mgr. of Information > Technology at 301.222.0330 and destroy the original message > and all copies. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UFhZZ4027216; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:43:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UFhZP8027211; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:43:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:43:28 -0400 From: STmaven@XXXXXX To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: im new! Message-ID: <4B156A3E.58815A50.001912B6@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jenn welcome to the list. Just plan or make a recommendation for a group ride and people will come join the ride. From time to time people on this list plan rides. Keep us posted when you plan to ride. For the most part, I'm game. Also remember to take it easy out there and enjoy. Well said Chuck. :) -Mark R6 rider :D In a message dated Tue, 30 Jul 2002 9:12:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > Be wary of group rides through the wilderness involving people who don't > really know each other. > > This is Jon's polite way of saying steer clear of us hooligan sportbike riders > ... at least for now -- later, you'll want to get a sportbike, learn to pull > wheelies and stoppies, and drag knee. But seriously ... "spirited" (this is > just a euphemism for extra-legal speeds) sportbike rides are probably not > going to be your cup of tea at this stage of your riding. You'll either just > get totally frusrated (at being left behind) or try to ride way over your head > to keep up (with the attendant risks and consequences). I'm sure you'll be > able to find a group of like-minded riders of similar ability to enjoy the > roads with. "Enjoy" is the operative word. Ride at your own pace for your > own reasons with people you trust. If anyone on the list is brave enough to > lead another "relaxed" or otherwise "newbie friendly" ride, you should > definitely give it a go. > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UGNRZ4027586; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:23:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UGNQLF027581; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:23:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYhHJ6HtCZiPltVUuC5ElFYrlQjXNQSlGRu07T6ZHpoE3LwjBQgbXovLQ8HuXD1mmc= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: GNCC on OLN Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:23:48 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c237e5$7c6aaec0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal For all you bumpy-tire freaks and assorted other dirt squirrels, the GNCCs (Grand Nat'l Cross Country) are telecast on Outdoor Life Network on Sundays at 5pm with a re-broadcast Thursdays at 7pm. They show 1/2 or bikes, then 1/2 hour of ATVs. That's Ch 62 in Arlington, right next to Ch 61-Speedvision. How handy! These are hare scrambles; races are run on 7 to 12 miles courses: mostly woods with sometimes a loop of a motocross track thrown in. You usually do enough laps to get around 80 miles in (that's about 3 hours of hauling @ss). Unlike enduros, this is strictly a first-across-the-finish-line type race. It's the best coverage I've ever seen of a hare scramble. They've even got a helmet cam on a dude who waits for a big name to come by, then (tries to) follows him for a few twists and turns. Then again, it's the only coverage I've ever seen of a hare scramble, with the exception of 30 seconds on a Motoworld episode. Note: Mike Keidrowski is running this series. Kinda cool to see a Nat'l level MX-er mix it up in the woods. --jon (recovering Spectro 2-stroke oil addict) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UGmfZ4027916; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:48:41 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UGmeZn027901; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:48:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2.4011 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:48:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Lovely Afternoon Ride From: Rob Curtis To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit *DISCLAIMER* This is evil stuff that I have only thought about (for now). Perhaps instead of wasting the motion of a finger gesture you could have used garage technology to deal with the situation... I have this little, evil, very evil, blueprint in my head for a simple device to deal with @ssh0le cagers. Just rig a can of chain wax in your tank bag to a longish hose that runs down behind your rear plate. Point the hose backward and pinch it off so the opening is real small. Once the chainwax buils up enough pressure in the hose it will spray out in a bit of a fog that will be awful hard to clean off a windshield. I just have to figure out a way to keep it off the road.I Don't want to make an oil slick, just something that will be a bitch to clean off the car while not have *too* much of an effect on visibility through the windshield... Can anyone think of a more annoying, but less dangerous medium to spray? Rob on 7/30/02 09:37, Carl Schelin at cschelin@XXXXXX noted: > > So I'm bailing out yesterday afternoon, 3:15pm or so. I head down the South > Capital (ramp from Independance Ave) ramp to the east-west highway. I'm in > the right lane and have to cross 3 lanes (5 lanes total) to get to the left > lane for HOV south. > > I'm in the right lane which exits about a block past the NASA building. I > look to my left on the curve at the two bike long opening in traffic, I > signal and slide in. Porche in front of me, white Suzuki SUV behind, a little > on the close side. > > We come up to the island between the two right lanes and the E-W highway. > Again, looking to the left, signal (and see the SUV move over at the same > time), and slide to the left. > > *beeeep* _flash lights_ > > I do the flip wave (no no, not flip her off, just the abrupt "yea whatever" > wave). > > I slide over again and she moves up next to me on the right and flips me off. > Ok, so I flip her off too. Probably the worst thing. Don't annoy the animals > in the zoo. > > She starts a quick move into my lane. When she's half way in, I see my > opening and move left again. One more time and I'm in the left lane and > moving. > > The last I see of her is that she exited to the second right hand exit (to > the Memorial Bridge?). > > Carl _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UGn4Z4027946; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:49:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UGn36V027939; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:49:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Morning run Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:47:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207301247512P.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All right, so there are two fun things today, kiddies. I normally head out of the house at 5am sometimes as late as 5:15am. While coming up this morning I was going a _little_ bit faster than I normally do. Mainly because I'm a little early (5am ish) and traffic is lighter. So I'm able to open her up. As I approach Seminary road (last overpass before Pentagon?) there's a large white cop looking car but it has "US Government" tags so I pass by it at 80. He's doing 75ish, I wasn't "blowing" by, just passing. *woooup* The "cop" hits his siren but doesn't pull me over. He probably can't, but I back down a little anyway. By the time I verify it's not a cop, I have no chance to go around. He drops back to 70 and keeps "up" with the right lane traffic until we get to the Pentagon where he exits. Aside: I'm not sure why people upgrade the performance on the Harlys. I can hit 95 pretty easily on mine and really don't want to go _that_ fast :-) I can see an upgrade to the transmission though. Later, Carl '02 FXSTI -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UGwsZ4028335; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:58:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UGwsWS028330; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:58:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:58:46 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Morning run In-Reply-To: <0207301247512P.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:47 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >All right, so there are two fun things today, kiddies. > >I normally head out of the house at 5am sometimes as late as 5:15am. being an unemployed IT manager (hint hint to all), I don't get up at that time...more like 6:30/7:00. 8-P >While coming up this morning I was going a _little_ bit faster than I >normally do. Mainly because I'm a little early (5am ish) and traffic is >lighter. So I'm able to open her up. > >As I approach Seminary road (last overpass before Pentagon?) there's a large >white cop looking car but it has "US Government" tags so I pass by it at 80. >He's doing 75ish, I wasn't "blowing" by, just passing. > >*woooup* > >The "cop" hits his siren but doesn't pull me over. He probably can't, but I >back down a little anyway. By the time I verify it's not a cop, I have no >chance to go around. He drops back to 70 and keeps "up" with the right lane >traffic until we get to the Pentagon where he exits. ..probably a govt security guy going to work. Although he has federal powers, he probably doesn't have police powers where you were. He could of, however, pulled you over and called for the local police. Probably didn't want to do that. FWIW, I've noticed Harley riders tend to get more leeway from the local constabulary than sport bike riders do. >Aside: > >I'm not sure why people upgrade the performance on the Harlys. I can hit 95 >pretty easily on mine and really don't want to go _that_ fast :-) I can see >an upgrade to the transmission though. ..it's not so much top end speed but how quickly you can get *up* to that 95mph. >Later, > >Carl >'02 FXSTI >-- > Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UH3ZZ4028559; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:03:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UH3Yow028553; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:03:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730130208.02161e88@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:03:26 -0400 To: Rob Curtis , From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Lovely Afternoon Ride In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:48 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: >*DISCLAIMER* This is evil stuff that I have only thought about (for now). > >Perhaps instead of wasting the motion of a finger gesture you could have >used garage technology to deal with the situation... I have this little, >evil, very evil, blueprint in my head for a simple device to deal with >@ssh0le cagers. Just rig a can of chain wax in your tank bag to a longish >hose that runs down behind your rear plate. Point the hose backward and >pinch it off so the opening is real small. Once the chainwax buils up enough >pressure in the hose it will spray out in a bit of a fog that will be awful >hard to clean off a windshield. I just have to figure out a way to keep it >off the road.I Don't want to make an oil slick, just something that will be >a bitch to clean off the car while not have *too* much of an effect on >visibility through the windshield... Can anyone think of a more annoying, >but less dangerous medium to spray? >Rob > > heh heh..ok I'll play...how about paint *remover*...whatever hits the road will quickly dry up but gawd what a wonderful "custom" paint job they'll have all over that brand spanky new VoLvO.... ;-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHBgZ4028773; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:11:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHBguU028769; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:11:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000c01c237ec$1cf14a60$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "Marc Read" , "DC Cycles" References: Subject: Re: C'est la vie: a request for advice Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:11:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 > > Any thoughts or helpful suggestions Patriot Harley in Fairfax rents Harleys too. A suggestion: If I remember correctly, Maryland's motorcycle test is brutal. I too failed it the first time through. The DMV in Beltsville (Rte 1) has the marked course in its parking lot and that lot is not locked at night/weekends. Might be worth renting the bike for a Sunday-Monday, practicing on it on the actual course Sunday then going for the test Monday. Also, don't wait for the MSF examiner. Just show up at the DMV and they will test you. (In DC you definitely have to make an appointment but not so in MD) Good luck, cheers, Patti '95 Yamaha Virago 750 '69 BSA FireBird 650 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHDtZ4028960; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:13:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHDslo028954; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:13:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning run In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Harley riders tend to get more leeway from the local constabulary than > sport bike > riders do. > > Yes they do. A couple of months ago I blew by one sitting in the median at well over the posted limit. Talk about pucker factor.... He proceed to wave, friendly style. I've read that since radar picks up the largest object around, and bikes are small, relatively speaking, its hard for them to get your speed with other traffic around? Any first hand experience with this? Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHFuZ4029149; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:15:56 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHFtNR029143; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:15:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730131235.020e56c0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:15:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: FS: Aluminum 4" pull back risers for Harley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey folks...I have a pair of 4" pull back risers that will fit a Dyna or most likely a Softail for anyone that is interested. It was given to me from someone on the Dyna list, however I've purchased a pair of chrome risers from another Dyna lister that I couldn't refuse. These are 2" up and 2" back and are unpolished aluminum but can be polished up to look just like chrome if desired. Excellent/like new condition. I want to give folks here first stab at them..they run about $100 a pair new...make a decent offer and they're yours...all proceeds go to EK. Otherwise, I'll just put them up for auction on the EK site. cheers, -aki _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHJ1Z4029331; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:19:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHJ0WO029325; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:19:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:21:35 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Aki Damme cc: Rob Curtis , Subject: Re: Lovely Afternoon Ride In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730130208.02161e88@pop.east.cox.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > heh heh..ok I'll play...how about paint *remover*...whatever hits the road will > quickly dry up but gawd what a wonderful "custom" paint job they'll have all > over that brand spanky new VoLvO.... ;-) > What about that aircraft paint remover they sell at Pep Boys? Or brake fluid, can't waste those half used containers right? Had an Imprezza (non wrx) sticking pretty close to me last weekend (crossing doulbe yellow, hitting dirt, etc) that could have used a good spray job . Would be nice, but I'd probably spray the guy with the AK-47 in the back seat. Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHK3Z4029516; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:20:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHK3Uc029511; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:20:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730131912.020f1360@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:19:55 -0400 To: "DC Cycles" From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: C'est la vie: a request for advice In-Reply-To: <000c01c237ec$1cf14a60$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:11 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Patti Rodgers wrote: > > > > Any thoughts or helpful suggestions > >Patriot Harley in Fairfax rents Harleys too. A suggestion: If I remember >correctly, Maryland's motorcycle test is brutal. I too failed it the first >time through. The DMV in Beltsville (Rte 1) has the marked course in its >parking lot and that lot is not locked at night/weekends. Might be worth >renting the bike for a Sunday-Monday, practicing on it on the actual course >Sunday then going for the test Monday. Also, don't wait for the MSF >examiner. Just show up at the DMV and they will test you. (In DC you >definitely have to make an appointment but not so in MD) > >Good luck, cheers, > >Patti > >'95 Yamaha Virago 750 >'69 BSA FireBird 650 Va. licenses are bordering on the stupid. Get a Va. address and take the test there. ;-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHMTZ4029702; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:22:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHMTa9029697; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:22:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <021e01c237ee$54c165e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Marc Read" , "DC Cycles" References: <000c01c237ec$1cf14a60$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> Subject: Re: C'est la vie: a request for advice Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:27:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Getting back to the original post, I understand the poster passed the MSF course, so why is he taking the state's riding test in the first place? Unless his completion card is not from MD. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F www.wilsonline.org Join the VFR750 list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vfr750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Rodgers" > > > > > Any thoughts or helpful suggestions > > Patriot Harley in Fairfax rents Harleys too. A suggestion: If I remember > correctly, Maryland's motorcycle test is brutal. I too failed it the first > time through. The DMV in Beltsville (Rte 1) has the marked course in its > parking lot and that lot is not locked at night/weekends. Might be worth > renting the bike for a Sunday-Monday, practicing on it on the actual course > Sunday then going for the test Monday. Also, don't wait for the MSF > examiner. Just show up at the DMV and they will test you. (In DC you > definitely have to make an appointment but not so in MD) > > Good luck, cheers, > > Patti > > '95 Yamaha Virago 750 > '69 BSA FireBird 650 > > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHXiZ4029930; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:33:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHXiYE029926; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:33:44 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA320@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Morning run Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:34:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glad to hear this problem doesn't just exist on 66. From: Carl Schelin [mailto:cschelin@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:48 PM As I approach Seminary road (last overpass before Pentagon?) there's a large white cop looking car but it has "US Government" tags so I pass by it at 80. He's doing 75ish, I wasn't "blowing" by, just passing. The "cop" hits his siren but doesn't pull me over. He probably can't, but I back down a little anyway. By the time I verify it's not a cop, I have no chance to go around. He drops back to 70 and keeps "up" with the right lane traffic until we get to the Pentagon where he exits. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHdAZ4030150; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:39:10 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHdAR2030145; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:39:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:39:03 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Austin Powers 3: A Motorcycle Friendly Movie? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Or maybe certain companies just threw a lot of money their way. Ducati had multiple cameos in the flick; Dr. Evil riding a 996 in a rap video, and what appeared to be a 748, a 996, and an ST4 parked in front of a Ducati dealer in the Tokyo "Not-Godzilla" scene. Also, Dr. Evil and Goldmember had a flock of Corbin Sparrows. (http://www.corbinmotors.com/chapter1.html) Movie was rather funny, as expected. The opening scene was worth the price of admission. Sean Jordan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UHqeZ4030434; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:52:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UHqaHH030420; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:52:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: eternity23@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:52:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: OT: ISO Cheap airfares Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Looking to go over to Europe for a few weeks/months, and am looking for cheap round trip tickets. I'm actually not super-picky as to where I fly into, but I'd like to fly out of Dulles or Baltimore, Or National (Regan). I've been playing around with some of the online ticket things, but can't seem to find anything under $700. I keep hearing that you can get RT's into London for $400 though. Any thoughts? (I know things are cheaper if you stay over a weekend, leave mid-week, purchase in advance, etc.) Thanks! Sean Jordan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UI0CZ4030655; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:00:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UI0CkL030649; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:00:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA327@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: camelbacks Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:00:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I want to get a camelback for a trip this weekend. Anything special I should look for? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UI3sZ4030854; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:03:55 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UI3sHe030849; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:03:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning run Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:02:41 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207301402412Q.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 30 July 2002 12:58, Aki Damme wrote: > At 12:47 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > >All right, so there are two fun things today, kiddies. > > > >I normally head out of the house at 5am sometimes as late as 5:15am. > > being an unemployed IT manager (hint hint to all), I don't get up at that > time...more > like 6:30/7:00. 8-P > Well, I'm actually up at 4am, this morning at about 10 of 4. And I'm not a manager (don't call me that :-) > ...probably a govt security guy going to work. Although he has federal > powers, he > probably doesn't have police powers where you were. He could of, however, > pulled > you over and called for the local police. Probably didn't want to do > that. I was reading a different list (I guess) on this very subject not too long ago. > FWIW, I've noticed > Harley riders tend to get more leeway from the local constabulary than > sport bike > riders do. > Oh yea. One of the guys at the office has regaled us with his various brushes with the cops. > >Aside: > > > >I'm not sure why people upgrade the performance on the Harlys. I can hit > > 95 pretty easily on mine and really don't want to go _that_ fast :-) I > > can see an upgrade to the transmission though. > > ...it's not so much top end speed but how quickly you can get *up* to that > 95mph. > Well, I'm not trying to race _you_. At 40 I have to drop the visor, at 70 I start getting real buffetting, and at about 80 I have to hold on :-) Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UI6aZ4031041; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:06:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UI6aD1031037; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:06:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:06:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Housewarming Party, 4 Aug Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII So the new house is jam-packed full of STUFF, but hopefully we'll get it all tucked away under beds and in closets and stuff soon, because we're having a party, and y'all are invited. This coming Sunday, 4 August. I think Buffy has been telling people we're starting around 1400, but just show up whenever is convenient. The house is 16101 Penn Manor Lane, in Bowie MD. If you can come, we're asking that people bring something consumable -- I'll be firing up my new grill, so grill-stuff is good, as would be potluck-style food, beer, booze, whatever. RSVPs are appreciated but not absolutely essential. Directions: Take the Beltway pretty much to the easternmost tip; exit at Exit 15A (MD-214 East). Ride just a touch over six miles on 214, and just after you cross a set of train tracks there's a left turn (Hall Rd) with a 7-Eleven on the corner. Turn left onto Hall, then immediately right onto Pointer Ridge, then immediately right again onto Penn Manor Lane. You'll go about a half mile with lots of green stuff to your right; we're the first house on your right after the trees. There should be plenty of parking available for bikes and cages both. I'm hoping to have a bike in the garage by then, thus allowing all of you to come (hate those bylaws, sometimes this list feels like an HOA), but no promises. :) Hope to see you all there! Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UIDrZ4031304; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:13:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UIDqRc031298; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:13:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730181350.6738.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: camelbacks To: Rich Hall Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA327@SERVER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A larger filling hole to fit ice into. --- Rich Hall wrote: > I want to get a camelback for a trip this weekend. > Anything special I > should look for? > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UIF4Z4031491; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:15:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UIF3dJ031485; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:15:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730141144.00b3a190@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:14:55 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Morning run In-Reply-To: <0207301402412Q.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:02 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Tuesday 30 July 2002 12:58, Aki Damme wrote: > > At 12:47 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >All right, so there are two fun things today, kiddies. > > > > > >I normally head out of the house at 5am sometimes as late as 5:15am. > > > > being an unemployed IT manager (hint hint to all), I don't get up at that > > time...more > > like 6:30/7:00. 8-P > > > >Well, I'm actually up at 4am, this morning at about 10 of 4. And I'm not a >manager (don't call me that :-) ack! Now where did I put my firing bat! I want to see you in my office at 7am! oh wait...never mind...uh...would you like to biggie size that? 8-P > > ...probably a govt security guy going to work. Although he has federal > > powers, he > > probably doesn't have police powers where you were. He could of, however, > > pulled > > you over and called for the local police. Probably didn't want to do > > that. > >I was reading a different list (I guess) on this very subject not too long >ago. > > > FWIW, I've noticed > > Harley riders tend to get more leeway from the local constabulary than > > sport bike > > riders do. > > > >Oh yea. One of the guys at the office has regaled us with his various brushes >with the cops. If I was him, I wouldn't push his luck...the same cop may let him go once or twice but overconfidence will eventually be his undoing. > > >Aside: > > > > > >I'm not sure why people upgrade the performance on the Harlys. I can hit > > > 95 pretty easily on mine and really don't want to go _that_ fast :-) I > > > can see an upgrade to the transmission though. > > > > ...it's not so much top end speed but how quickly you can get *up* to that > > 95mph. > > > >Well, I'm not trying to race _you_. At 40 I have to drop the visor, at 70 I >start getting real buffetting, and at about 80 I have to hold on :-) > >Carl 40?? Damn young whipper snapper...I'm 44 myself...I don't race anymore, but it's nice to have a little more than stock "umph" when I need to crack the throttle and get out of a cages way or when passing. -aki >-- > Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UIH7Z4031675; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:17:07 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UIH6JY031670; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:17:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:17:00 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Housewarming Party, 4 Aug Message-ID: <356F4764.307CA77E.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the invite. However, I believe one (if not both) of my sisters has "plans" for me this weekend. :-( Although, I do get to spoil my nephew rotten and then leave. ;-) Anyway, you sure you want to invite this crew of people over to your new house? They are a rowdy bunch. hehe Have fun. Scooter In a message dated Tue, 30 Jul 2002 1:06:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > So the new house is jam-packed full of STUFF, but hopefully we'll get it > all tucked away under beds and in closets and stuff soon, because we're > having a party, and y'all are invited. This coming Sunday, 4 August. I > think Buffy has been telling people we're starting around 1400, but just > show up whenever is convenient. > > The house is 16101 Penn Manor Lane, in Bowie MD. If you can come, we're > asking that people bring something consumable -- I'll be firing up my > new grill, so grill-stuff is good, as would be potluck-style food, beer, > booze, whatever. RSVPs are appreciated but not absolutely essential. > > Directions: Take the Beltway pretty much to the easternmost tip; exit at > Exit 15A (MD-214 East). Ride just a touch over six miles on 214, and just > after you cross a set of train tracks there's a left turn (Hall Rd) with a > 7-Eleven on the corner. Turn left onto Hall, then immediately right onto > Pointer Ridge, then immediately right again onto Penn Manor Lane. You'll > go about a half mile with lots of green stuff to your right; we're the > first house on your right after the trees. There should be plenty of > parking available for bikes and cages both. I'm hoping to have a bike in > the garage by then, thus allowing all of you to come (hate > those bylaws, > sometimes this list feels like an HOA), but no promises. :) > > Hope to see you all there! > > Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UIIkZ4031874; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:18:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UIIjnQ031867; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:18:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:18:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Housewarming Party, 4 Aug In-Reply-To: <356F4764.307CA77E.0C9D3659@aol.com> Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyway, you sure you want to invite this crew of people over to your > new house? They are a rowdy bunch. Sure. My parents will be there, and maybe if enough scruffy bikers show up it'll scare them off. Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UIInZ4031907; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:18:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UIInBk031903; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:18:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Jim McGonigle" To: "'Sean Jordan'" , Subject: RE: ISO Cheap airfares Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:17:49 -0400 Organization: BroadSoft Message-ID: <007501c237f5$6cdf6490$4b01a8c0@jmcgonigle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Yeah, we just got back from Germany a month or so ago. The key for us was to stay a weekend and leave on a T-Th and comeback on a T-Th. Changing the start/end dates to be in the T-Th range dropped our fares from the $800s to the $400s. Also, they were pretty expensive until the date got closer. I guess we bought them about 8 weeks before (we left in June). Your mileage may vary... -Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Sean Jordan [mailto:eternity23@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:53 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: OT: ISO Cheap airfares > > > Looking to go over to Europe for a few weeks/months, and am looking > for cheap round trip tickets. I'm actually not super-picky as to > where I fly into, but I'd like to fly out of Dulles or Baltimore, Or > National (Regan). I've been playing around with some of the online > ticket things, but can't seem to find anything under $700. I keep > hearing that you can get RT's into London for $400 though. Any > thoughts? (I know things are cheaper if you stay over a weekend, > leave mid-week, purchase in advance, etc.) > > Thanks! > > Sean Jordan > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UIL3Z4032232; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:21:03 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UIL26f032226; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:21:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:20:50 -0400 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX To: fish@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Housewarming Party, 4 Aug Message-ID: <59DACA5B.37A154A9.0C9D3659@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well then.....you shouldn't have any problem doing that with this group of nutcases. LOL Scooter In a message dated Tue, 30 Jul 2002 1:18:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, fish@XXXXXX writes: > > > On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 ScooterFZR@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Anyway, you sure you want to invite this crew of people over to your > > new house? They are a rowdy bunch. > > Sure. My parents will be there, and maybe if enough scruffy > bikers show up > it'll scare them off. > > Fish. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UIVxZ4032482; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:31:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UIVxS3032477; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:31:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F45E959@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: bernescut@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: claim advice needed Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:31:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yesterday I was riding on I-495 and took the exit at route 50 going west. Right at the apex of the turn in ramp, before the road splits to go to either Yorktown plaza or route 50, a road crew was mowing the median grass and ejected a chunk of concrete about 6-8 inches on each side. I nailed it dead center with my front wheel and began to do the "oh s**t" dance on my CBR. Somehow I didn't jam on the brake and kept the bike upright. I slowed and stopped. There were two guys on tractors mowing but they couldn't understand a word I said. I walked back a hundred yards or so and recovered the chunk of concrete. Having no place to keep it, I dumped it. One of the mowing guys went out and picked up the remaining stones and tossed them onto the grass. After a cursory inspection my front rim has a serious dent but still holds air. The forks appear straight, but the clip-ons don't point exactly straight ahead and right turns are much more difficult than left ones. I limped to my appointment ( "Mr. Bernescut, your blood pressure is 194 over 120!-I wonder why?" ) I got home on the bike and grabbed the cage to get back to work. My question, do I turn it over to State Farm, or deal with the highway department on my own? I have full coverage but one claim already for a stolen bike; I don't want to see this count against me if possible. Any thoughts? Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UInZZ4032749; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:49:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UInZbo032744; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:49:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [68.48.118.251] From: "Rob Keiser" To: RichH@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: camelbacks Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:48:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 18:48:27.0912 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1337880:01C237F9] I have found that the 90 degree bite valve is easier to use with a full face helmet. Also, they make some models now with a larger opening (on the top of the bladder) for easier cleaning and use with various ice cubes. Some also have insulated sleeves for the tube. I use a 50 oz. thin one, called the Aero-bak, IIRC, and wear it just over my shirt and under my 'stich jacket. Nice and cool during these months! Galyan's and places like HTO and REI probably have the best selection. Hope that helps. Rob '98 VFR800 From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: camelbacks Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:00:50 -0400 I want to get a camelback for a trip this weekend. Anything special I should look for? _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UKASZ4000942; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:10:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UKARgc000933; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:10:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: im new! Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:10:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 20:09:25.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[005222D0:01C23805] I have ridden with the SBN crew many times. And you cannot tell the difference between them and the dccycles crews. The first ride i went out with, one rider crashed, out of 25-30 bikes. Crashing can happen to any group, most of the sbners are not squids, i have yet to see one that does not ride in full gear. Ive seen quite a few dccycles riders not wearing gear, its no sweat off my sac. Ricardo I agree about most of the rides I've seen. Anything SBN related I avoid like the plague. It seems like every group ride over there ends up with at least 1 accident. Although I haven't ridden with any of the people on this list, the group ride reports generally don't include crash stories :-) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UKN4Z4001162; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:23:04 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UKN4ct001158; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:23:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dccycles Subject: Squids and crashing (was im new!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Ricardo Pontes wrote: > I have ridden with the SBN crew many times. And you cannot tell the > difference between them and the dccycles crews. > > The first ride i went out with, one rider crashed, out of 25-30 bikes. > > Crashing can happen to any group, most of the sbners are not squids, i have > yet to see one that does not ride in full gear. > > Ive seen quite a few dccycles riders not wearing gear, its no sweat off my > sac. > > Ricardo I have some friends in TX that ride with the SBN guys, in addition to what I've read on the SBN site, Ricardo. Maybe I'm just hearing the worst, but it seems to be that there is a higher crash rate with their larger, organized rides. Not sure where you got the squid or gear references, I didn't mention it in e-mail. And please leave your sweaty yam-bag out of this, too. 8-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UKhHZ4001338; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:43:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UKhHWi001333; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:43:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: Squids and crashing (was im new!) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:43:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2002 20:42:14.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[96546690:01C23809] Seems like lately there have been quite a few crashes. I usually just browse the dc area group message board.http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=125 There are some people to avoid, you will figure them out when you join a group ride. The first time i have ridden in a group, it was with the sbners, the day 1 guy fell on 211. After that, i met some people who were good riders, and wanted to ride. And avoided the ones i was not comfortable riding with. Some riders in the SBN are really gun ho. I havent ridden with dccycles members on 211, but alot of the guys(the really fast guys from sbn) are constantly dragging their knees on 211, using both lanes, passing over the double yellow. If you consider that bad.. :) Also, i would avoid riding with people whose main goal is to get to 211, and ride it over and over again. Not my sort of thing, i like to pass through 211 and go on to greener pastures. There are some members on SBN who ride well, dont like riding like lunatics etc.. I think the majority.. :) Ricardo I have some friends in TX that ride with the SBN guys, in addition to what I've read on the SBN site, Ricardo. Maybe I'm just hearing the worst, but it seems to be that there is a higher crash rate with their larger, organized rides. Not sure where you got the squid or gear references, I didn't mention it in e-mail. And please leave your sweaty yam-bag out of this, too. 8-) -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UKqJZ4001564; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:52:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UKqIZi001559; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:52:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 30 Jul 2002 20:52:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20020730205217.16657.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: claim advice needed X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) Cedric Conceded: >Yesterday I was riding on I-495 and took the exit at route 50 going west. ...a road crew was mowing the median grass >and ejected a chunk of concrete about 6-8 inches on each side. I nailed it >dead center ...After a cursory inspection my front rim has a serious dent but >still holds air. The forks appear straight, but the clip-ons don't point >exactly straight ahead and right turns are much more difficult than left >ones. ... My question, do I turn it over to State Farm, or deal >with the highway department on my own? [Dave] I'd already be talking to someone in the state/county gubmint if I were you... I have full coverage but one claim >already for a stolen bike; I don't want to see this count against me if >possible. Any thoughts? [Dave] Tough call... Sounds like you may have some wheel / fork troubles... I would NOT ride as is. You may want to call your agent & let them know what happened, but not yet file a claim... perhaps you could get an estimate from a local shop ? When I hit the deer (in my cage) and later, the debris dropped from a contractor truck it was covered under comprehensive & my rates remained intact. However, with a theft claim, they could easily decide you're not a risk worth keeping... If the bike looks / feels bad, you may want to bite the bullet & file a claim... Get on the phone & start interacting with local civil servants & let us know what develops... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ULB9Z4001899; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:11:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ULB8jh001890; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:11:08 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Subject: RE: Recommendations/Avoidances wanted Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:09:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020730065820.25905.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Importance: Normal If you want a wedding cake, we went to Tiers of Joy (a subsidiary of Montgomery Donuts in Rockville). They made us a chamboard filled cake in the shape of a castle with a working drawbridge. They can be found at the link below. http://www.tiersofjoy.com/toj/index.html Hope this might help you in some aspect, though it might be a bit far out of your way. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:58 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: OT: Recommendations/Avoidances wanted As many of you know, Roach and I are planning our wedding. We are getting married May 3, 2003. We have picked the place and the date, and now we have the extremely fun job of picking everything else. Those of you who have gotten married in this area or who are getting married...if you have any recommendations on who to use or NOT to use, on the following, please let us know! photographers caterers cake maker DJ event rental places (tents, etc.) florists Thanks so much! LAG (<-- soon to be LAR) ;) ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ULGnZ4002228; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:16:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6ULGnsN002224; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:16:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Rich Hall" , Subject: RE: camelbacks Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:15:39 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD50CA327@SERVER1> Importance: Normal get a large one, 100 oz. is the max at the time, you will probably need it. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Hall [mailto:RichH@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:01 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: camelbacks I want to get a camelback for a trip this weekend. Anything special I should look for? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6UM5eZ4002698; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:05:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6UM5dCE002694; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:05:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020730220537.89925.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Burrow Subject: RE: im new! To: dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Welcome to the list Jenn. Keep your eyes open for posted rides. I've never seen anyone say that a certain type of bike can't go and most are willing to take newbies with the group. Steve YZF600R __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V1XvZ4004963; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:33:57 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V1Xs4B004944; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:33:54 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:34:08 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: "Motorcycle Deaths Drop After Helmet Law Reinstated" From: John West To: DC Cycles Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9B881E7E-A425-11D6-9FEE-00039355E006@macconnect.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Just passing along the link... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=594&ncid=594&e=13&u=/nm/20020730/ hl_nm/motorcylces_law_dc_1 -john _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V1onZ4005217; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:50:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V1onWQ005210; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:50:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Patti Rodgers" To: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: RE: Motorcat passes on Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:59:38 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c2383e$4ff8fa00$ed49a9ac@ticostat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020730101422.00c1ee48@mail.9netave.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >>Anyone actually know Catman and his GS-500? I've met the gentleman in question a few times over the years; he's quite nice. When I worked on MacArthur Blvd we used to watch him ride by with Motorcat and her little helmet just about every other day. The first time I saw that I was really stunned and couldn't believe the cat would be so mellow about being on a bike. Last time I was in Vegas I saw a guy with a big crate on the back of his Harley, and a German Shepherd just kind of chillin' out in the crate. Although the dog did not have a helmet... cheers, Patti _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V2EBZ4005506; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:14:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V2EAYA005501; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:14:10 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731021408.14413.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Radar and other stuff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 1) In the old days, analog radar would only report the target with the best radar signature . . . in most cases that would be the bigger target, not necessarly the fastest one (e.g., the tractor-trailer going 55, not the sportsbike going 75). However, most departments, including all local ones, have upgraded to radar incorporating digital signal processing. The DSP radars allow the officer to discriminate between fastest signal (small sportbike going fast), strongest signal, or both. See US Patent No. 5,691,724 for more detailed info . . . http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='5691724'.WKU.&OS=PN/5691724&RS=PN/5691724 2) Had a very close call the other night, probably my closest yet. Was merging onto the Rock Creek Parkway from Calvert St., headed back towards downtown after dark, hot tasty Chipotle burrito in my bag. At the bottom of the entrance ramp onto the RCC from Calvert there are three lanes of traffic: two headed towards VA, and one headed up to Calvert. The rightmost lane is one that cars coming from Calvert are in; the middle lane (also headed towards VA) is for cars coming down from the Cathedral Ave. exit should turn into; and the leftmost lane heads up to Calvert. Long story short . . . car, coming from Cathedral, and me, coming from Calvert, coincide at the same time. Should be no problem, with two lanes to share. However, BDC (with a Williams College sticker, no less) decides to keep coming over into my lane . . . I didn't notice until he was two feet away that he hadn't stayed in "his" lane. I slam on the brakes, and veer right, all the while the crushing car comes closer and closer (like the moving wall in Star Wars). I wouldn't have been out of his way had he contintued on his path. Thankfully, he saw me at the last instant and swerved back left. I didn't honk when I saw him in my lane. Why? I don't know . . . probably too busy braking, not sure he would have heard anyway (stupid weak horns) and not something I practice (like my braking). I did honk afterward. And flashed my highbeams. And gasped in lots of air. And shook . . . a lot. What I learned: don't assume that people see you, don't forget to honk, brake harder. Be careful. Aaron 98 T509 Speed Triple (green, of course) <-- It's not like this is a hard bike to notice! ========= Dan wrote: Yes they do. A couple of months ago I blew by one sitting in the median at well over the posted limit. Talk about pucker factor.... He proceed to wave, friendly style. I've read that since radar picks up the largest object around, and bikes are small, relatively speaking, its hard for them to get your speed with other traffic around? Any first hand experience with this? Dan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V2GUZ4005810; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:16:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V2GTMB005805; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:16:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D4749CB.2B93D804@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 22:22:03 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: OT: Recommendations/Avoidances wanted References: <20020730065820.25905.h015.c002.wm@mail.peoplepc.com.criticalpath.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Best wishes, you two, but I can't be much help. Last wedding I was involved in was my darling daughters. Soon as DD and Mom got in a dustup over flowers (traditional or contemporary?) I packed my stuff, left them about a dozen signed/blank checks, said y`all figure it out, I'm outta here! When the going gets tough, the smart bail out for a few weeks of racing in Florida! Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > As many of you know, Roach and I are planning our > wedding. We are getting married May 3, 2003. We have > picked the place and the date, and now we have the > extremely fun job of picking everything else. Those of > you who have gotten married in this area or who are > getting married...if you have any recommendations on > who to use or NOT to use, on the following, please let > us know! > > photographers > caterers > cake maker > DJ > event rental places (tents, etc.) > florists > > Thanks so much! > LAG (<-- soon to be LAR) ;) > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V3IPZ4006282; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:18:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V3IODx006274; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 23:18:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731031822.2049.qmail@web21405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 20:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Radar and other stuff To: Aaron , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020731021408.14413.qmail@web11304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Aaron wrote: >.... See US Patent No. 5,691,724 for more detailed info . . . > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='5691724'.WKU.&OS=PN/5691724&RS=PN/5691724 A shorter link would be: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=5691724 But hey, thanks for visiting and promoting my database anyway! 8:) -- Larry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V4bsZ4006813; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:37:54 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V4brb9006805; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:37:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8a.1c1da100.2a78c39a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:37:46 EDT Subject: me again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 hi everyone! i appreciate everyones thoughts and opinions --- but i do have some more questions :) --- im assuming a cage is a 4 wheel vehicle? if im correct it took me a number of messages before figuring it out! *doht* --- whats the scoop with tom and chuck? there are just backround things one needs to know when signing up for this group! :) --- ive lived in the baltimore area for about 4 years now.... but you have to help me! what's all of this 211 talk?? im up for a ride on friday evening about 6/630 in the westminster area --- anyone want to meet up? ill be the cute one on the purple bike... err... i mean... ill be the one on a cute purple bike ...err.... nevermind.. let me know if your interesting in getting together! also... upon receiving some wise counsel --- i should ask if you're crash-free before riding with you!? thats all for now i think.... jenn :) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6V956Z4008693; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:05:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6V954tA008685; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:05:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000e01c23871$58fc60f0$7ca5d03f@michael> Reply-To: "Michael Jordan" From: "Michael Jordan" To: , References: <8a.1c1da100.2a78c39a@aol.com> Subject: Re: me again! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:04:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hi and welcome to the group > --- im assuming a cage is a 4 wheel vehicle? if im correct it took me a > number of messages before figuring it out! *doht* Yup - Volvo (or ovloV) ran a series of ads about their cars providing a "Cage of Safety". Given the worldwide predilection of Volvo drivers of ignoring their surroundings, it sort of stuck... > --- ive lived in the baltimore area for about 4 years now.... but you have > to help me! what's all of this 211 talk?? 211 would be U.S. Route 211 over Thornton's Gap across Skyline Drive between Sperryville (stop in and say hi to Cooter) and Luray. An absolutely lovely bit of linked sweepers up and over with restaurants at each end. Best done on weekdays - fewer vehicles of all sorts (especially the ones with lights on top) Now a question for you - where did you run across Collin? Michael J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VAK9Z4009215; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:20:09 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VAK92j009207; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:20:09 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: Aki Damme , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Morning run Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:18:56 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20020730141144.00b3a190@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730141144.00b3a190@pop.east.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207310618562S.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tuesday 30 July 2002 14:14, Aki Damme wrote: > At 02:02 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > >On Tuesday 30 July 2002 12:58, Aki Damme wrote: > > > At 12:47 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > >All right, so there are two fun things today, kiddies. > > > > > > > >I normally head out of the house at 5am sometimes as late as 5:15am. > > > > > > being an unemployed IT manager (hint hint to all), I don't get up at > > > that time...more > > > like 6:30/7:00. 8-P > > > >Well, I'm actually up at 4am, this morning at about 10 of 4. And I'm not a > >manager (don't call me that :-) > > ack! Now where did I put my firing bat! I want to see you in my office > at 7am! > > oh wait...never mind...uh...would you like to biggie size that? 8-P > You can't fire me; I'm indespensible. I'm the only one who knows how it all works (well, Kevin's out at Johnson this week :-) > > > >Aside: > > > > > > > >I'm not sure why people upgrade the performance on the Harlys. I can > > > > hit 95 pretty easily on mine and really don't want to go _that_ fast > > > > :-) I can see an upgrade to the transmission though. > > > > > > ...it's not so much top end speed but how quickly you can get *up* to > > > that 95mph. > > > >Well, I'm not trying to race _you_. At 40 I have to drop the visor, at 70 > > I start getting real buffetting, and at about 80 I have to hold on :-) > > > >Carl > > 40?? Damn young whipper snapper...I'm 44 myself...I don't race anymore, but > it's > nice to have a little more than stock "umph" when I need to crack the > throttle and get out of a cages way or when passing. > Problem with the age again? No no, 40mph, 70mph, and 80mph. In reality I reached the 45 years old mark back in April. Whipper snapper indeed. Yut is wasted on da young. Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VAVKZ4009417; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:31:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VAVJhn009412; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:31:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: No Parking Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:30:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0207310630092T.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The lot at the 300 block of Virgina Ave SW is closed for August. The signs say "Closed July 31st to August 31st". I'm parked out front of NASA today. I don't really want to hike over to the 800 block of C to park and may just park downstairs at Colonial *spit* for August. Carl _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VC3nZ4009988; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:03:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VC3mwG009979; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:03:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:00:32 -0400 From: Marc Read Subject: Re: C'est la vie: a request for advice In-reply-to: <021e01c237ee$54c165e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> To: Paul Wilson Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () References: <000c01c237ec$1cf14a60$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> <021e01c237ee$54c165e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> In message <021e01c237ee$54c165e0$bb82fea9@palladio1>, Paul Wilson writes >Getting back to the original post, I understand the poster passed the MSF >course, so why is he taking the state's riding test in the first place? >Unless his completion card is not from MD. > Thank you all for sympathy and suggestions! I'm not sure I want to rent a cruiser or a bike over about 600cc for the test, in order to be prepared for slow-speed work. I guess I'll just have to wait until I get back from vacation! The answer to the above is that the MSF and MD MVA have different ways of scoring the same test. I passed one, but failed the other. (For those who are interested, the MSF just looks at total number of penalty points; the MD MVA also sets a maximum that can be lost on any one exercise. So my 10 points for crossing the line took me over the bar for the MVA, but wasn't enough to fail the MSF.) See you out on the roads -- in a few months! Marc -- Marc Read **** marc@XXXXXX / marcread@XXXXXX (home) marc_read@XXXXXX (work) **** _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VC7RZ4010169; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:07:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VC7QWZ010163; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:07:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Silver, Arthur (NIH/NIGMS)" To: "'Larry Larson'" , Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: RE: Motorcat passes on Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:07:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Content-Type: text/plain I used to see them when I was a student at the Corcoran School of Art in Georgetown. They were a cool couple. Sorry to see her go. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Larson [mailto:llarson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:18 AM To: Paul Wilson; dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Motorcat passes on At 09:25 AM 7/30/2002 -0400, Paul Wilson wrote: >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19025-2002Jul29.html Thanks for posting that, Paul. Motorcat's demise was mentioned on at least two radio stations this morning; the Post gave her a longer memoriam than many national politicians have received. We'll hoist a whisky in her honor after dinner tonight... Anyone actually know Catman and his GS-500? -- Larry _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCGeZ4010379; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:16:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCGeLu010371; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:16:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:16:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200207310816.AA78512670@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'dc-cycles list'" Subject: Animal Tales [was: Motorcat passes on X-Mailer: You all might enjoy this story: Art ("Bear") Crow, a BMW rider and who ran the Rider Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church, used to ride with JR, his Jack Russell Terrier, in a cat carrier on the back of his bike. When entering the Daytona infield one time, he was stopped and told "no pets". He picked up JR, walked over to the security guard, and said "THIS ... IS ... A ... HEARING ... DOG". And they let him in. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Patti Rodgers" Reply-To: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:59:38 -0500 >>>Anyone actually know Catman and his GS-500? > >I've met the gentleman in question a few times over the years; he's quite >nice. When I worked on MacArthur Blvd we used to watch him ride by with >Motorcat and her little helmet just about every other day. The first time I >saw that I was really stunned and couldn't believe the cat would be so >mellow about being on a bike. > >Last time I was in Vegas I saw a guy with a big crate on the back of his >Harley, and a German Shepherd just kind of chillin' out in the crate. >Although the dog did not have a helmet... > >cheers, > >Patti > > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCOHZ4010445; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:24:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCOHFC010439; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:24:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: , Subject: RE: me again! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:24:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <8a.1c1da100.2a78c39a@aol.com> Importance: Normal Hey, I am free if I don't get stood up going to WV. Would love to ride in Westminster. Where shall we meet? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk -----Original Message----- From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:38 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: me again! hi everyone! i appreciate everyones thoughts and opinions --- but i do have some more questions :) --- im assuming a cage is a 4 wheel vehicle? if im correct it took me a number of messages before figuring it out! *doht* --- whats the scoop with tom and chuck? there are just backround things one needs to know when signing up for this group! :) --- ive lived in the baltimore area for about 4 years now.... but you have to help me! what's all of this 211 talk?? im up for a ride on friday evening about 6/630 in the westminster area --- anyone want to meet up? ill be the cute one on the purple bike... err... i mean... ill be the one on a cute purple bike ...err.... nevermind.. let me know if your interesting in getting together! also... upon receiving some wise counsel --- i should ask if you're crash-free before riding with you!? thats all for now i think.... jenn :) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCVZZ4010685; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:31:35 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCVZNP010680; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:31:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYaW/w4g9sszjlbE7CFeUduX6XXewpDVNbBMcCq1YQ5lO6SDPVElM3IS548zNqsrRo= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: me again! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: <008601c2388e$445b49a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The worst case, IMHO, is a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know why the BD-est of the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. (2) I am sworn to secrecy re: Tom and Chuck. Don't think about it, just go on with your life. Trust me. (3) 211 is US-211. A several mile stretch runs up and over Skyline Drive's ridge. At the top of the ridge (Thornton gap) it intersects (via on/off ramps) with Skyline Drive. The way up and back down the other side is appropriately wiggly. This section of road is known for its colorful collection of plastic bits decorating the pavement and countryside. I've been know to scrape a peg or two there, so I can't diss anyone in this regard. and a note: Nothing m/c related is cute. It can be hot, cool, bitchin', spec-f#cking-tacular, schweeet, nearly anything else. Never, EVER cute. Not Tom, not Chuck, not your bike, and not even you, pun-kin. and another note: No one is crash free if you wait long enough. --jon -----Jennthebiker@XXXXXX queried: --- im assuming a cage is a 4 wheel vehicle? if im correct it took me a number of messages before figuring it out! *doht* --- whats the scoop with tom and chuck? there are just backround things one needs to know when signing up for this group! :) --- ive lived in the baltimore area for about 4 years now.... but you have to help me! what's all of this 211 talk?? im up for a ride on friday evening about 6/630 in the westminster area --- anyone want to meet up? ill be the cute one on the purple bike... err... i mean... ill be the one on a cute purple bike ...err.... nevermind.. let me know if your interesting in getting together! also... upon receiving some wise counsel --- i should ask if you're crash-free before riding with you!? _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCbYZ4010877; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:37:34 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCbXwH010873; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:37:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: me again! In-Reply-To: <008601c2388e$445b49a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > and another note: No one is crash free if you wait long enough. "There are those who will fall, and those who will fall again." -Rob, MSF Course Instructor 1999. -dave _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCcRZ4011052; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:38:27 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCcRe8011047; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:38:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731123825.30817.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: me again! To: jmstrang@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <008601c2388e$445b49a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jon Strang wrote: > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. > The worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't > know why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. > I would beg to differ. I put mommy vans at the top of my list. > (2) I am sworn to secrecy re: Tom and Chuck. Don't > think about it, just go > on with your life. Trust me. > Beleive him! > (3) 211 is US-211. A several mile stretch runs up > and over Skyline Drive's > ridge. At the top of the ridge (Thornton gap) it > intersects (via on/off > ramps) with Skyline Drive. The way up and back down > the other side is > appropriately wiggly. This section of road is known > for its colorful > collection of plastic bits decorating the pavement > and countryside. I've > been know to scrape a peg or two there, so I can't > diss anyone in this > regard. > And the more westerly section over towards New Market is nothing to shake a stick at either. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCcrZ4011223; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:38:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCcrhm011217; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:38:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731123846.9878.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 05:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Another Motocat To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a different motocat, but a good story regardless. It starts out a little slow, but once the cat is involved, things get more interesting. http://cuagain.manilasites.com/stories/storyReader$54 Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Fairfax, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCh6Z4011578; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:43:06 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCh6Yj011573; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:43:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020731084210.00b3b800@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:42:58 -0400 To: Carl Schelin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: Re: Morning run In-Reply-To: <0207310618562S.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> References: <5.1.1.5.2.20020730141144.00b3a190@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.1.5.2.20020730125153.02107160@XXXXXX> <5.1.1.5.2.20020730141144.00b3a190@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:18 AM 7/31/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: >On Tuesday 30 July 2002 14:14, Aki Damme wrote: > > At 02:02 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > > >On Tuesday 30 July 2002 12:58, Aki Damme wrote: > > > > At 12:47 PM 7/30/2002 -0400, Carl Schelin wrote: > > > > >All right, so there are two fun things today, kiddies. > > > > > > > > > >I normally head out of the house at 5am sometimes as late as 5:15am. > > > > > > > > being an unemployed IT manager (hint hint to all), I don't get up at > > > > that time...more > > > > like 6:30/7:00. 8-P > > > > > >Well, I'm actually up at 4am, this morning at about 10 of 4. And I'm not a > > >manager (don't call me that :-) > > > > ack! Now where did I put my firing bat! I want to see you in my office > > at 7am! > > > > oh wait...never mind...uh...would you like to biggie size that? 8-P > > > >You can't fire me; I'm indespensible. I'm the only one who knows how it all >works (well, Kevin's out at Johnson this week :-) > > > > > >Aside: > > > > > > > > > >I'm not sure why people upgrade the performance on the Harlys. I can > > > > > hit 95 pretty easily on mine and really don't want to go _that_ fast > > > > > :-) I can see an upgrade to the transmission though. > > > > > > > > ...it's not so much top end speed but how quickly you can get *up* to > > > > that 95mph. > > > > > >Well, I'm not trying to race _you_. At 40 I have to drop the visor, at 70 > > > I start getting real buffetting, and at about 80 I have to hold on :-) > > > > > >Carl > > > > 40?? Damn young whipper snapper...I'm 44 myself...I don't race anymore, but > > it's > > nice to have a little more than stock "umph" when I need to crack the > > throttle and get out of a cages way or when passing. > > > >Problem with the age again? No no, 40mph, 70mph, and 80mph. In reality I >reached the 45 years old mark back in April. Whipper snapper indeed. Yut is >wasted on da young. > >Carl *sigh*..the SECOND stage of growing old...reading comprehension...now excuse me while I go mainline my Geritol. 8-P _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCiLZ4011753; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:44:21 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCiKLV011747; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:44:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: 31 Jul 2002 12:44:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20020731124420.20285.qmail@server445.gisol.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: sdave@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: me again! X-Mailer: WildOnWeb WebMail X-Originating-IP: 168.159.1.90 (168.159.1.90) JTB stirred the pot again, to which, Jon replied : >(1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The worst case, IMHO, is >a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know why the BD-est of >the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. [Dave] Maybe this is regional... In my observations, BMW drivers, followed by Lexus drivers (Lexii?), and Infinity drivers. The Ovlov pilots are ignorant... The ones piloting the above marques are ignorant AND arrogant (most). IMHO, the worst are SUV Versions of the above, because they're ignorant, arrogant, and can afford 5,000 minutes / month on their cell phones... the only way to use as much is to talk & drive. There are exceptions, but few... F@ck!n' BMW BDC cut across 2 lanes of rush hour Rt1 (Alexandria) traffic, without lookin, all while not interrupting his cell conversation... Just to put his puny, pathetic 150 hp POS in front of my 400 hp truck... 5 seconds after the light changed, 2 cars & I had already passed him... Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Powered by Wild On Web: Free POP Mail Access - Access your E-mail from Anywhere in the World! http://www.wildonweb.com |Awards|Money|Bank|Credit|Dating|Games|Jokes|Vitamins|Magazines|Diet| |Bookstore|News|Babies|Cards|Homepages|Hobbies|... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCuxZ4011978; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:56:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCuxOw011971; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:56:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Maddox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: RE: me again! In-Reply-To: <20020731124420.20285.qmail@server445.gisol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 Jul 2002 sdave@XXXXXX wrote: >F@ck!n' BMW BDC cut across 2 lanes of rush hour Rt1 (Alexandria) traffic, >without lookin, all while not interrupting his cell conversation... Just >to put his puny, pathetic 150 hp POS in front of my 400 hp truck... 400 hp? Inquiring minds want to know - just how big *is* this truck of Dave's? And does he even need a trailer, or does he just park the scoot in the bed when he needs to take it somewhere? -- SIGFAULT: quote not generated Andrew Maddox, found at: madsox@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VCxhZ4012153; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:59:43 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VCxhN9012147; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:59:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Info: This message was accepted for relay by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net as the sender used SMTP authentication X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbELYqGRNP2HmmRwA56x7+nK8cDDQ4Eo2xVcZjAEvEfMHBNKec5UFFksjVN3b/oBQI= Reply-To: From: "Jon Strang" To: "'Louis F. Caplan'" , "DC Cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Another Motocat Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:00:03 -0400 Message-ID: <008b01c23892$30467620$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20020731123846.9878.qmail@web40207.mail.yahoo.com> freakin' hilarious! -----Louis F. Caplan wrote: This is a different motocat, but a good story regardless. It starts out a little slow, but once the cat is involved, things get more interesting. http://cuagain.manilasites.com/stories/storyReader$54 ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# ##### ##### ##### ################################################################# ################################################################# ################################################################# _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VD6UZ4012379; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:06:30 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VD6T3w012368; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:06:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel H. Brown" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: me again! In-Reply-To: <008601c2388e$445b49a0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:31:59 -0400 > From: Jon Strang > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: me again! > > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. The worst case, IMHO, is > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I don't know why the BD-est of > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. I thought that the BD stood for Big and Dumb? -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDOiZ4012793; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:24:44 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDOhZv012788; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:24:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731132441.16118.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Isaac Blanck Subject: RE: me again! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20020731123825.30817.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oh man, given that my only [knock on wood] accident to date was after a cabbie made an illegal u-turn in front of me, let me vote for dc taxis as the biggest BDC'ers ... jib --- Glenn Dysart wrote: > > --- Jon Strang wrote: > > (1) Yes, cage = car. And BDC is Brain Dead Cager. > > > The worst case, IMHO, is > > a BDC in a Volvo. Second worst is a Saab. I > don't > > know why the BD-est of > > the BDC migrate to Swedish cars. > > > > I would beg to differ. I put mommy vans at the top > of > my list. > > > (2) I am sworn to secrecy re: Tom and Chuck. > Don't > > think about it, just go > > on with your life. Trust me. > > > > Beleive him! > > > (3) 211 is US-211. A several mile stretch runs up > > and over Skyline Drive's > > ridge. At the top of the ridge (Thornton gap) it > > intersects (via on/off > > ramps) with Skyline Drive. The way up and back > down > > the other side is > > appropriately wiggly. This section of road is > known > > for its colorful > > collection of plastic bits decorating the pavement > > and countryside. I've > > been know to scrape a peg or two there, so I can't > > diss anyone in this > > regard. > > > > And the more westerly section over towards New > Market > is nothing to shake a stick at either. > > Glenn > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDaOZ4013038; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:36:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDaORf013030; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:36:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Warning! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:36:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 13:36:16.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F0BF2C0:01C23897] To anyone travelling on I-270, at least in the morning: There is a medium-dark red Ford Expedition patrolling the southbound lanes of I-270. Yesterday, he had someone pulled over in the local lanes down near Falls road (about 7:45) Today, he had someone pulled over just north of I-370 at 7:30. The vehicle is very stealth, looking like any of the other multitude of SUVs out there. Let's be careful out there! Perry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDfxZ4013225; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:41:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDfxA7013217; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:41:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Paddle walking Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:41:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 13:41:52.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[07478FB0:01C23898] I've got a question for the group: What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow speeds? I don't mean to pick on the Harley riders here, but I see it a LOT with people on Harleys, especially baggers. I realize that these are heavy bikes, but I thought they carried their weight pretty low, so slow speed stablility should not be an issue. I'm riding a Concours, which is massively top-heavy, and can pretty much never put a foot down except at a full stop. And if I'm on the ZX-6, it's even easier to not put a foot down. At first I thought these were just very inexperienced riders, or maybe just lazy, but then I got to wonder if it's because so many Harleys (and other cruisers) have forward mounted pegs. I haven't ridden anything with pegs that weren't largely underneath my body, so I don't know if that would make a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't know if that makes a difference. Any insights? Perry _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDleZ4013415; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:47:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDleRV013411; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:47:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <029a01c23898$7993d0b0$6a00a8c0@C4ZJ911> From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Perry Coleman" , References: Subject: Re: Paddle walking Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:44:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 I'll chime in here. I have a TL1000R that I can damn near stop for a few seconds without putting a foot down. I have a Shadow Sabre 1100 that is a BITCH to ride slow. So much rake in the front that in always wants to turn right or left when creeping. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: Paddle walking I've got a question for the group: What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow speeds? I don't mean to pick on the Harley riders here, but I see it a LOT with people on Harleys, especially baggers. I realize that these are heavy bikes, but I thought they carried their weight pretty low, so slow speed stablility should not be an issue. I'm riding a Concours, which is massively top-heavy, and can pretty much never put a foot down except at a full stop. And if I'm on the ZX-6, it's even easier to not put a foot down. At first I thought these were just very inexperienced riders, or maybe just lazy, but then I got to wonder if it's because so many Harleys (and other cruisers) have forward mounted pegs. I haven't ridden anything with pegs that weren't largely underneath my body, so I don't know if that would make a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't know if that makes a difference. Any insights? Perry _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDnPZ4013591; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:49:26 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDnP8I013585; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:49:25 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: From: "Sandler, Mike" To: "'Jennthebiker@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: me again! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:36:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hmmm, cute girl free on a Friday Nite - what gives? Its not the riders who have crashed that you need to worry about, ITS THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T -----Original Message----- From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:38 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: me again! hi everyone! i appreciate everyones thoughts and opinions --- but i do have some more questions :) --- im assuming a cage is a 4 wheel vehicle? if im correct it took me a number of messages before figuring it out! *doht* --- whats the scoop with tom and chuck? there are just backround things one needs to know when signing up for this group! :) --- ive lived in the baltimore area for about 4 years now.... but you have to help me! what's all of this 211 talk?? im up for a ride on friday evening about 6/630 in the westminster area --- anyone want to meet up? ill be the cute one on the purple bike... err... i mean... ill be the one on a cute purple bike ...err.... nevermind.. let me know if your interesting in getting together! also... upon receiving some wise counsel --- i should ask if you're crash-free before riding with you!? thats all for now i think.... jenn :) *********************************************** Confidentiality Note: This E-mail is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDrCZ4013816; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:53:12 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDrBB1013810; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:53:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DDF1073C@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Warning! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:53:04 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Perry, I passed him this morning going about 70.. He had a truck pulled over. I've seen him mostly on the northbound lanes, but like you said he probably patrols both sides... Thanks for the heads up. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Perry Coleman [mailto:perrycoleman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:36 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Warning! To anyone travelling on I-270, at least in the morning: There is a medium-dark red Ford Expedition patrolling the southbound lanes of I-270. Yesterday, he had someone pulled over in the local lanes down near Falls road (about 7:45) Today, he had someone pulled over just north of I-370 at 7:30. The vehicle is very stealth, looking like any of the other multitude of SUVs out there. Let's be careful out there! Perry _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: <00a001c2389a$02a063e0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Since this list has become a dating/marriage service, should we change the name to DC-Singles? blech. --jon the cynic -----Sandler, Mike wrote: hmmm, cute girl free on a Friday Nite - what gives? Its not the riders who have crashed that you need to worry about, ITS THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T -----Original Message----- From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] im up for a ride on friday evening about 6/630 in the westminster area --- anyone want to meet up? ill be the cute one on the purple bike... err... i mean... ill be the one on a cute purple bike ...err.... nevermind.. let me know if your interesting in getting together! also... upon receiving some wise counsel --- i should ask if you're crash-free before riding with you!? thats all for now i think.... jenn :) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDw1Z4014182; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:58:01 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDw041014176; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:58:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Carl Schelin Organization: NASA Headquarters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paddle walking Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:56:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02073109564634.16220@unixgod.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wednesday 31 July 2002 09:41, Perry Coleman wrote: > I've got a question for the group: > > What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow > speeds? > > I don't mean to pick on the Harley riders here, but I see it a LOT with > people on Harleys, especially baggers. I realize that these are heavy > bikes, but I thought they carried their weight pretty low, so slow speed > stablility should not be an issue. I'm riding a Concours, which is > massively top-heavy, and can pretty much never put a foot down except at a > full stop. And if I'm on the ZX-6, it's even easier to not put a foot down. > > At first I thought these were just very inexperienced riders, or maybe just > lazy, but then I got to wonder if it's because so many Harleys (and other > cruisers) have forward mounted pegs. I haven't ridden anything with pegs > that weren't largely underneath my body, so I don't know if that would make > a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't > know if that makes a difference. > > Any insights? > For me (the one Harley rider I can speak for), most of the time I can get right up to the line before putting my foot or feet down. Walking the bike or keeping my right foot down can be painful since the rear head is skewed to the right and touches my leg. The only time I can think that I've done any paddle walking is when the bonehead in line ahead gets closer to the guy in front of them causing the rest of the cars/bikes to move forward. Instead of putting it in gear and motoring forward, I'll muscle it up the car length. Steeper decline and I'll just roll it down, incline and I'll motor it up. I've put my right foot down abruptly at times when I get to the line a little off balance but mostly it's roll up to the light/line and cooly putting down my left foot, never moving it until the light changes. And I have extended forward controls (+3") and heel rests looking for 2 more inches (yea, I know). Posing Carl -- Carl Schelin _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VDx2Z4014356; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:59:02 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VDx2Sx014350; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:59:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 06:58:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Edelen X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paddle walking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Perry Coleman wrote: > I've got a question for the group: > > What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow speeds? [...] I don't know the reason, but I had a lot of trouble when riding that Softail over the weekend. As someone else mentioned, I can completely stop on my Hayabusa without ever putting my feet down, but found it nearly impossible to do on that Harley. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VE55Z4014578; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:05:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VE55ub014574; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:05:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harley.turlik.net: dan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dan X-X-Sender: dan@XXXXXX To: Perry Coleman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paddle walking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow speeds? > a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't > know if that makes a difference. > > Any insights? > Its stylish? I dunno? You are right though, its mostly the heavy cruiser crowd that does it. I've got a bagger and while it isn't as easy to manage as the VFR, I don't paddle walk, no need to. IMO, its a bad idea, epecially with floor boards. The harley crowd is so varried they always keep you guessing. This weekend I (on the VFR) pulled up to a light in the lane next a guy riding a soft tail. As soon as he saw me, he started to rev, for the entire lenght of the light. Good thing I was wearing my full face, all I could do was laugh. Of course some of the straight line sport bike crowd likes to drag their feet on the ground up to 30-40 ish.. what the hell is up with that? Dan _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VE6KZ4014761; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:06:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VE6Jlb014755; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:06:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.202.232.98] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Morning run Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c2389b$84dd7ef0$0100a8c0@firehead> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 14:06:12.0419 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D461130:01C2389B] > From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] > I've read > that since radar picks up the largest object around, and > bikes are small, relatively speaking, its hard for them to > get your speed with other traffic around? Any first hand > experience with this? yeah. not true. it seems that my tiny little cb-1 shows up just fine on radar... -- -greg _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VE6PZ4014802; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:06:25 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VE6Okl014796; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:06:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:06:22 -0700 From: To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: me again! Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > --- whats the scoop with tom and chuck? there are just backround things one needs to know when signing up for this group! :) If you hang around long enough and we don't drive you off the list, you'll figure it out. But to make it easier for you, I'm the better looking one. %^) Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VEB5Z4015135; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:11:05 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VEB4Zq015123; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:11:04 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:10:59 -0700 From: To: bernescut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Re: claim advice needed Sender: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 65.36.86.136 Cedric, FWIW, here's my one and only experience dealing with a somewhat similar situation. Was driving on the beltway in my Trooper (in rush hour traffic that was actually moving at a decent clip). Behind an 18-wheeler. Suddenly, a large metal object comes out from under the 18 wheeler and nails my hood, windshield, and roof (I shudder to think what it would've been like on my m/c!) Said object was a highway construction sign. I was near a MD state trooper barracks so went there to report the incident. I then backtracked on the beltway and found the offending sign. Waited for another state trooper to show up to confirm the incident. Had a full report. My insurance company (Farmers) took care of everything for me. Didn't count as a claim in that it didn't affect my insurance premiums. I know they tried to get the MD highway people to cough up, but they never did. YMMV. Chuck On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:31:46 -0400 bernescut@XXXXXX wrote: Yesterday I was riding on I-495 and took the exit at route 50 going west. Right at the apex of the turn in ramp, before the road splits to go to either Yorktown plaza or route 50, a road crew was mowing the median grass and ejected a chunk of concrete about 6-8 inches on each side. I nailed it dead center with my front wheel and began to do the "oh s**t" dance on my CBR. Somehow I didn't jam on the brake and kept the bike upright. I slowed and stopped. There were two guys on tractors mowing but they couldn't understand a word I said. I walked back a hundred yards or so and recovered the chunk of concrete. Having no place to keep it, I dumped it. One of the mowing guys went out and picked up the remaining stones and tossed them onto the grass. After a cursory inspection my front rim has a serious dent but still holds air. The forks appear straight, but the clip-ons don't point exactly straight ahead and right turns are much more difficult than left ones. I limped to my appointment ( "Mr. Bernescut, your blood pressure is 194 over 120!-I wonder why?" ) I got home on the bike and grabbed the cage to get back to work. My question, do I turn it over to State Farm, or deal with the highway department on my own? I have full coverage but one claim already for a stolen bike; I don't want to see this count against me if possible. Any thoughts? Cedric 2000 CBR600F4 Washington, DC _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VEBIZ4015165; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:11:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VEBI5x015160; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:11:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [67.97.0.82] From: "Tim Spong" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: How do I switch to digest mode? Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:10:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 14:10:10.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB67B7C0:01C2389B] I can't keep up with all the emails and want to go on digest mode. However, I can't seem to find the addresses I need in order to achieve this. Thanks _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VEEkZ4015492; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:14:46 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VEEkla015483; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:14:46 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511ED21@SERVER1> From: Rich Hall To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Paddle walking (rev & laugh) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:15:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I was running errands last night. As I was leaving one parking spot I gave my Seca II w/ stock exhaust a little rev to make sure it was ready to go, (they're cold blooded, it's a habit) probably just to 3k I'd guess and the car next to me's alarm went off. I had to laugh. I remember others on this list saying they've set off alarms, but my exhaust isn't that loud and I barely gave it any gas. From: dan [mailto:dan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:08 AM To: Perry Coleman This weekend I (on the VFR) pulled up to a light in the lane next a guy riding a soft tail. As soon as he saw me, he started to rev, for the entire lenght of the light. Good thing I was wearing my full face, all I could do was laugh _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VEIJZ4015685; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:18:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VEIJke015677; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:18:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731101633.0228fd88@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:17:58 -0400 To: "Tim Spong" From: Troutman Subject: Re: How do I switch to digest mode? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:10 AM 7/31/2002, Tim Spong wrote: >I can't keep up with all the emails and want to go on digest >mode. However, I can't seem to find the addresses I need in order to >achieve this. http://www.dc-cycles.org/listinfo.html I am not the list manager - Gimer is. http://www.meretrix.com/~harry/ dc-cycles Mailing List Subscription Info dc-cycles is available in a "one message a day" digest form containing all of the day's postings, and a "lots of messages a day" undigested form where messages are distributed as they are posted. 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(_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VEWSZ4015918; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:32:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VEWRdO015914; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:32:27 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Originating-IP: [64.241.204.165] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paddle walking Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:31:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 14:31:20.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0719900:01C2389E] I have no problem slow riding with my Softail. I can almost stand still on my ZX9R, yes it is easier. My LTD454's are the most difficult to ride at the snails pace. I do believe it is due to the rake. I see mostly Jap cruisers and not Harley riders "paddle-walk". It takes much less concentration or effort to "paddle-walk" so I can see where it would be less "taxing" in a long bumper to bumper rush hour jam. I keep my feet on the pegs just to freak out the cager behind me ;-) Razz 02 FXSTI 99 ZX9R (for sale) 89 LTD454 86 LTD454 > >I've got a question for the group: > >What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow >speeds? > >I don't mean to pick on the Harley riders here, but I see it a LOT with >people on Harleys, especially baggers. I realize that these are heavy >bikes, but I thought they carried their weight pretty low, so slow speed >stablility should not be an issue. I'm riding a Concours, which is >massively top-heavy, and can pretty much never put a foot down except at a >full stop. And if I'm on the ZX-6, it's even easier to not put a foot down. > >At first I thought these were just very inexperienced riders, or maybe just >lazy, but then I got to wonder if it's because so many Harleys (and other >cruisers) have forward mounted pegs. I haven't ridden anything with pegs >that weren't largely underneath my body, so I don't know if that would make >a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't >know if that makes a difference. > >Any insights? > >Perry > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com Check out the "Conflicted Interest" web site! www.conflictedinterest.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VEXrZ4016099; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:33:53 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VEXrAN016092; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:33:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.2.20020731103042.02178670@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: adamme1@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:33:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles From: Aki Damme Subject: Slightly OT... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Although it's not directly related to motorcycles, I think it clearly conveys exactly why I ride...it's to experience the very things that she mentions...especially the last line. So, I thought I pass this on to you, my moto-brethren.. cheers, -aki Lisa Beamer on Good Morning America - If you remember, she's the wife of Todd Beamer who said 'Let's Roll!' and helped take down the plane that was heading for Washington D. C. She said it's the little things that she misses most about Todd, such as hearing the garage door open as he came home, and her children running to meet him. She's now the Mom of a beautiful little girl, Mary. Lisa recalled this story: I had a very special teacher in high school many years ago whose husband died suddenly of a heart attack. About a week after his death, she shared some of her insight with a classroom of students. As the late afternoon sunlight came streaming in through the classroom windows and the class was nearly over, she moved a few things aside on the edge of her desk and sat down there. With a gentle look of reflection on her face, she paused and said, Class is over, I would like to share with all of you, a thought that is unrelated to class, but which I feel is very important. Each of us is put here on earth to learn, share, love, appreciate and give of ourselves. None of us knows when this fantastic experience will end. It can be taken away at any moment. Perhaps this is the powers way of telling us that we must make the most out of every single day. Her eyes beginning to water, she went on, "So I would like you all to make me a promise. From now on, on your way to school, or on your way home, find something beautiful to notice. It doesn't have to be something you see, it could be a scent, perhaps of freshly baked bread wafting out of someone's house, or it could be the sound of the breeze slightly rustling the leaves in the trees, or the way the morning light catches one autumn leaf as it falls gently to the ground. Please look for these things, and cherish them. For, although it may sound trite to some, these things are the "stuff" of life. The little things we are put here on earth to enjoy. The things we often take for granted. We must make it important to notice them, for at anytime...it can all be taken away. The class was completely quiet. We all picked up our books and filed out of the room silently. That afternoon, I noticed more things on my way home from school than I had that whole semester. Every once in a while, I think of that teacher and remember what an impression she made on all of us, and I try to appreciate all of those things that sometimes we all overlook. Take notice of something special you see on your lunch hour today. Go barefoot. Or walk on the beach at sunset. Stop off on the way home tonight to get a double dip ice cream cone. For as we get older, it is not the things we did that we often regret, but the things we didn't do. "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VEmBZ4016398; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:11 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VEmBrC016394; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:48:11 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: fish owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:48:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Fish Flowers To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: camelbacks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-No-Ahbou: yes X-No-Archive: yes Approved: vi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Scott R. Russell wrote: > get a large one, 100 oz. is the max at the time, you will probably > need it. Eh, maybe not. Depends how long you intend to ride at a stretch. I have a friend who bicycled (like, no engine) across the country last summer, and she used the 70-oz. Rogue and liked it. I'd stick with one of the low-profile designs so you can wear it under a jacket, and so it wouldn't destroy you in a fall. Another thing to look for is their Omega reservoir: it has a larger opening so ice gets in better. Personally, I'm getting the Siren (50-oz, slim, Omega), though you might like the Rogue as well (70-oz, slim, Omega). You may want to look at the Camelbak website (http://www.camelbak.com/, natch); they have a product selector which includes recommendations for motorcycling. Fish. the hundred-ounce sizes are simply huge _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VExSZ4016667; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:59:28 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VExSvq016662; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:59:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <025f01c238a3$84a7a840$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: , Cc: References: Subject: Re: claim advice needed Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 10:59:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I agree with Chuck. Collect the relevant facts and then pursue a claim through your insurance. It's then up to them to try to collect from the state DOT, not you. It seems to me to be an uphill climb to get the DOT to admit that actions of their employees or contractors led to damage to your vehicle. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F - 86 VF500F ----- Original Message ----- From: > Cedric, ... Waited for another state trooper to > show up to confirm the incident. Had a full report. My insurance company > (Farmers) took care of everything for me. Didn't count as a claim in that it > didn't affect my insurance premiums. I know they tried to get the MD highway > people to cough up, but they never did. YMMV. > > Chuck > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VFjTZ4017351; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:45:29 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VFjSGs017342; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:45:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731154523.257.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 08:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: How do I switch to digest mode? To: Troutman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731101633.0228fd88@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 10:10 AM 7/31/2002, Tim Spong wrote: > >I can't keep up with all the emails and want to go on > digest > >mode. However, I can't seem to find the addresses I > need in order to > >achieve this. > > http://www.dc-cycles.org/listinfo.html > > I am not the list manager - Gimer is. incorrect! harry mantakos is the list manager. i actually hold a different title... but only when dick e. anker, esq. is out on leave. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VG5JZ4017686; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:05:19 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VG5J4u017682; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:05:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731160504.30510.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: me again! To: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- cvkgpena@XXXXXX wrote: > Jennthebiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > > --- whats the scoop with tom and chuck? there are just > >backround things one needs to know when signing up for > >this group! :) > > If you hang around long enough and we don't drive you off > the list, you'll > figure it out. But to make it easier for you, I'm the > better looking one. %^) jenn: chuck is indeed a beautiful creature. how a person can have his head stuck up his ass so far, but yet still be so goddamn pretty, is truly amazing. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VGAgZ4017887; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:10:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VGAghG017881; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:10:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731120943.0227eec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:10:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: How do I switch to digest mode? In-Reply-To: <20020731154523.257.qmail@web14602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731101633.0228fd88@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:45 AM 7/31/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > I am not the list manager - Gimer is. > >incorrect! harry mantakos is the list manager. > >i actually hold a different title... but only when dick e. >anker, esq. is out on leave. I would have sworn that was you in the picture Gimer. http://www.meretrix.com/~harry/ ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr 1997 Honda VFR 750 AMA http://www.ama-cycle.org/ NMA http://www.motorists.org _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VGIpZ4018104; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:18:51 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VGIoql018098; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:18:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <20020731161848.33911.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: How do I switch to digest mode? To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020731120943.0227eec0@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 11:45 AM 7/31/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > > I am not the list manager - Gimer is. > > > >incorrect! harry mantakos is the list manager. > > > >i actually hold a different title... but only when dick > e. > >anker, esq. is out on leave. > > I would have sworn that was you in the picture Gimer. > > http://www.meretrix.com/~harry/ nope. sorry. that's actually gary coleman (who i've been mistaken for plenty of times). -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VIXnZ4019223; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:33:49 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VIXWK8019204; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:33:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <002201c238c1$6f6181e0$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: London city centre toll Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 14:37:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Mandatory moto content: although not mentioned in the article bikes would be exempt from the 5 pound access fee. Can't you see Tony Williams passing the hat on the 14th Street Bridge every morning. :) Paul in DC > LONDON, July 31 (Reuters) - London mayor Ken Livingstone's bid to fight > traffic congestion with a controversial toll moved closer to reality after > a High Court victory on Wednesday but the case has highlighted a national > transport system going nowhere fast. > Livingstone wants to charge motorists five pounds ($7.80) to drive > into the city centre, a plan that led residents and one local authority to > mount an unsuccessful legal challenge on the grounds it would create "rat > runs" elsewhere and increase traffic jams. > Livingstone hopes the 200 million pound scheme will reduce inner-city > congestion by up to 15 percent and raise 2.2 billion pounds in 10 years to > spend on bus and train improvements. > "We are happy that our approach...has been vindicated. We now look > forward to being free to address the problems with congestion in London > without the distraction of legal proceedings," he said in a statement. > But opponents, such as the Freight Transport Association (FTA), said > the ruling was a blow to those who could not avoid driving into the centre. > "Congestion charging will not reduce commercial vehicle operations in > London by a single vehicle and will just put up costs," the FTA said in a > statement. > About one million people work in central London and an estimated one > in seven commutes by car. At peak traffic times it is estimated that 50,000 > vehicles an hour stream into the city centre. > London's choked roads are only one aspect of Britain's transport woes. > In an era where it is quicker to travel from London to the south of France > by rail than to parts of Scotland, Britons are reluctant to leave their > cars behind. > Passengers grumble about crowded and unreliable buses and a rail > network plagued by delays, strikes and falling public confidence after > several fatal crashes, meaning politicians have an uphill battle to > convince drivers to leave their cars behind. > Around the world, tolls are one of the most common tools used to deter > motorists from getting behind the wheel. > But some areas, recognising that the car still reigns supreme for most > commuters, are exploring more innovative approaches. > In Wales, planners are trialling futuristic battery-powered and > driverless taxis known as ULTra -- Urban Light Transport -- that are > designed to carry people around central Cardiff. If successful the ULTra > pods, as they are known, could be used to cut congestion and reduce > pollution in other major cities. > Planners in southern California are considering stacking a highway on > top of railroad tracks in a bid to cut congestion on the Santa Ana highway. > Two years ago Tokyo authorities tried an unpopular "no-car Wednesday" > scheme which was soon abandoned. But drivers still have to pay a toll to > drive through the central city. > Under the mayor's plans, congestion charging will start next February. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VKCeZ4019885; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:12:40 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VKCdFH019874; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:12:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: , Subject: RE: DC-Cycles name change. Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:12:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00a001c2389a$02a063e0$070312ac@ddlomni.com> By the way, when is the next singles, I mean cycles get together so I can plan ahead. Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Jon Strang [mailto:jmstrang@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:56 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: DC-Cycles name change. Since this list has become a dating/marriage service, should we change the name to DC-Singles? blech. --jon the cynic -----Sandler, Mike wrote: hmmm, cute girl free on a Friday Nite - what gives? Its not the riders who have crashed that you need to worry about, ITS THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T -----Original Message----- From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX [mailto:Jennthebiker@XXXXXX] im up for a ride on friday evening about 6/630 in the westminster area --- anyone want to meet up? ill be the cute one on the purple bike... err... i mean... ill be the one on a cute purple bike ...err.... nevermind.. let me know if your interesting in getting together! also... upon receiving some wise counsel --- i should ask if you're crash-free before riding with you!? thats all for now i think.... jenn :) _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VKDVZ4020051; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:13:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VKDU3R020047; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:13:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <005101c238ce$ab29ffb0$776c52a4@rclibB2YKR01> From: "Patti Rodgers" To: References: <5E6C9A26CC7FD611B50500508B8B4BD511ED21@SERVER1> Subject: Re: Paddle walking (rev & laugh) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 16:13:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 >>I remember others on this >>list saying they've set off alarms, but my exhaust isn't that loud and I >>barely gave it any gas. Lots of newer cars have alarms that sense motion: IE any vibration of the windows. So if your bike sounds more like a base than a trebel this could be why you set off alarms. Just like how base tones will seem to rattle your windows more than trebel played at the same decibles. Also if it is not even that loud but echoing in the right direction you can set off an alarm. I have it down to an art at this point as (when I am allowed to park in the garage at work) I am always getting blocked in. Comments on the paddle-walking thing: sometimes I do paddle-walk the bike when I need to give my legs a stretch; I can stretch them out and walk on my heels. Or some intersections in the city, where I might not trust the traction (like Rock Creek Parkway in the rain, waiting to make a right turn) I feel more in control if I have one or both feet on the ground. Cheers, Patti _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VLIHZ4020568; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:18:17 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VLIFwF020557; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:18:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:18:06 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2002 21:17:12.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[A353FDF0:01C238D7] Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville pike) and Randolph Road. Ricardo _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VLrxZ4020893; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:53:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VLrxMr020886; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:53:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <02ca01c238dd$6ba1f820$bb82fea9@palladio1> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: Subject: Re: me again! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 17:52:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 That little "those that have and those that will" maxim has always bugged me, as if to excuse sub-par performance. Sign least likely to be seen in the scrub room at your local hospital: "There are two kinds of surgeons, those who have killed a patient and those that will." Sign least likely to be seen at an airport: "There are two kinds of pilots, those who have crashed and those that will." Paul in DC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Paper" > On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Jon Strang wrote: > > > and another note: No one is crash free if you wait long enough. > > "There are those who will fall, and those who will fall again." -Rob, MSF > Course Instructor 1999. > > -dave _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VNWXZ4021880; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:32:33 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VNWWRs021871; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:32:32 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <000d01c238e9$a57f1620$ce422c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Gary Gimer! Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:26:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hilarious!!! --------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:10:34 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: How do I switch to digest mode? At 11:45 AM 7/31/2002, Tom Gimer wrote: > > I am not the list manager - Gimer is. > >incorrect! harry mantakos is the list manager. > >i actually hold a different title... but only when dick e. >anker, esq. is out on leave. I would have sworn that was you in the picture Gimer. http://www.meretrix.com/~harry/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6VNagZ4022061; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:36:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6VNagVF022055; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:36:42 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <3.0.32.20020731195256.04a437e4@noid.org> X-Sender: wayne@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:54:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Wayne Edelen Subject: Re: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:18 PM 7/31/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from >the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville >pike) and Randolph Road. > >Ricardo Although I have to carry my laptop and gym bag tomorrow, I'll try to be there. Blue/black 'Busa (hopefully with TBR slip ons ;-) and a geeky driver dressed in black JR leathers. What time? Maybe I'll cruise home first. -- Wayne - http://www.blueblackbusa.org/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g711DFZ4022710; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:13:15 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g711DDmu022702; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:13:13 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Animal Tales [was: Motorcat passes on Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200207310816.AA78512670@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 I heard a story about this dog, too. Seems the dog like to lie down in the carrier (possibly sleeping) with his legs in the air. At a traffic light someone told Art his dog was dead!!! Turned out not to be true. YMMV LindaT. Custom TankBags Now - TankBags for 1800 Wings Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) AMA IBA HSTA BMWBMW 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (69K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.customtankbags.com Chris Norloff said: You all might enjoy this story: Art ("Bear") Crow, a BMW rider and who ran the Rider Accessory Warehouse in Falls Church, used to ride with JR, his Jack Russell Terrier, in a cat carrier on the back of his bike. When entering the Daytona infield one time, he was stopped and told "no pets". He picked up JR, walked over to the security guard, and said "THIS ... IS ... A ... HEARING ... DOG". And they let him in. Chris Norloff _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g711hgZ4023022; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:43:42 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g711hdW1023003; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:43:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731214033.02ed0290@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rmeyer9@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 21:41:30 -0400 To: "'dc-cycles list'" From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Animal Tales [was: Motorcat passes on In-Reply-To: <200207310816.AA78512670@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:16 AM 7/31/02 -0400, Chris Norloff wrote: >You all might enjoy this story: > >Art ("Bear") Crow, a BMW rider and who ran the Rider Accessory Warehouse >in Falls Church, used to ride with JR, his Jack Russell Terrier, in a cat >carrier on the back of his bike. > >When entering the Daytona infield one time, he was stopped and told "no >pets". He picked up JR, walked over to the security guard, and said "THIS >... IS ... A ... HEARING ... DOG". > >And they let him in. LOL! I can just picture Art doing this. I truly miss RAW, too. bob meyer _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g712JVZ4023419; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:19:31 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g712JVrN023411; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:19:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Message-ID: <3D489BF6.68D65CE2@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:24:54 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Coleman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Paddle walking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pegs or floorboards, no diff. Methinks the front end geometry might have a negative effect of slow speed stability, and of course, the ability to turn at any speed. i.e. raked choppers are pigs. My Harley bagger is rock stable, no prob doing the friction zone creepy-creepy in traffic. If I can only move a few feet forward, paddle walk works, and it works when I'm whup-ass tired. Bill Perry Coleman wrote: > I've got a question for the group: > > What's up with all these people that paddle-walk their bikes at slow speeds? > > I don't mean to pick on the Harley riders here, but I see it a LOT with > people on Harleys, especially baggers. I realize that these are heavy bikes, > but I thought they carried their weight pretty low, so slow speed stablility > should not be an issue. I'm riding a Concours, which is massively top-heavy, > and can pretty much never put a foot down except at a full stop. And if I'm > on the ZX-6, it's even easier to not put a foot down. > > At first I thought these were just very inexperienced riders, or maybe just > lazy, but then I got to wonder if it's because so many Harleys (and other > cruisers) have forward mounted pegs. I haven't ridden anything with pegs > that weren't largely underneath my body, so I don't know if that would make > a difference. Of course, most baggers tend to have floorboards, so I don't > know if that makes a difference. > > Any insights? > > Perry > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worldM-^Rs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g712wdZ4023784; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:58:39 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g712wckc023776; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:58:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Scott R. Russell" To: "Ricardo Pontes" , "dccycles" Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:56:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM To: dccycles Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville pike) and Randolph Road. Ricardo _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g712wxZ4023822; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:58:59 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g712wxXG023817; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:58:59 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: Jennthebiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <81.1f3977ca.2a79fded@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:58:53 EDT Subject: cute? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10512 > and a note: > Nothing m/c related is cute. It can be hot, cool, bitchin', > spec-f#cking-tacular, schweeet, nearly anything else. Never, EVER cute. > Not Tom, not Chuck, not your bike, and not even you, pun-kin. > > --jon > now now now.. you know im new to the whole biker thing but come on... i believe that i am cute and my m/c is cute.... and maybe even tom and chuck? ..... but maybe you're right... 'hot' describes both my bike and myself way better! (cute just sounds less conceded you know?!) thanks for the biker lingo lesson! all of you really do know lots of stuff! *lol* jenn _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7131KZ4024152; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:01:20 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7131K0c024147; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:01:20 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: Would folks pay for indoor winter bike storage? Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c23907$b3eb45d0$6401a8c0@cypher> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <02ca01c238dd$6ba1f820$bb82fea9@palladio1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Helene and I are in the midst of doing some work on our home in Springfield that would include a sizable garage. I just went out back and measured out what 24x26 would look like and realized it's a lot of room! So, I'm thinking I've got room to store maybe 8-10 bikes for the winter. Would folks pay $350 for heated storage from December to March, with access and workshop privileges (w/free oil disposal!) on two Sundays/Mondays each month during the storage period? This wouldn't be a community garage, when the snow's gone, so are the bikes... Any Takers? Rob _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7134IZ4024333; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:04:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7134I3U024325; Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:04:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dirty.meretrix.com: slist set sender to dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX using -f From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "dccycles" Subject: RE: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:04:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2002 03:03:15.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[FABBC840:01C23907] I think people start to show up at around 8:00pm. Ive stayed there until 12am before. But since they do stunts at airpark Rd, i might go up there to see that after 9:00 or whatever. Ricardo Ill be the guy wearing the The Simpsons helmet :) I actually have a night free, what time will this bike night start? Scott Russell 1984 Honda CB700SC Nighthawk S -----Original Message----- From: Ricardo Pontes [mailto:ricardo@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 5:18 PM To: dccycles Subject: thursday bike night at barnes and noble Thursday Bike night at Barnes and Noble in Rockville, MD. Anyone coming from the dccycles group? Am i the only one? The b&N is off of route 355(rockville pike) and Randolph Road. Ricardo