From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 10:06:28 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Making my mark at VIR Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:05:28 -0400 Glad you're relatively unscathed. As I have a set of Vanson's myself, I curious about the damage. Did you have the armor in the knee? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Thad B Groghan said: Well this weekend has already proven to be very interesting... (major snippage) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 15:57:20 2001 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch To: Lori Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm jus tdown the street in Bethesda. Shady Grove wouldn't be a problem. Tom Knapik --- Lori Wilson wrote: > I ride to work every day, rain or shine so I'm SURE > I'll be riding to work > on July 18th. I work in Frederick, though so a ride > to lunch in DC isn't an > option. Shady Grove isn't too far though- how many > people would be in for > lunch in the Shady Grove area?? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 20:37:20 2001 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:37:15 -0400 From: dmeyer@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Get on I-395 HOV southbound? X-Newsgroups: local.dc-cycles In article <200106291013.AA82313650@XXXXXX> you write: > Hi, I'd like to get on the I-395 HOV southbound this afternoon, and was > wondering were I could do that in Arlington. > > I seem to recall the the exit off of 110 south to 395, Washington Blvd, > and Columbia Pike will let me get on the HOV, but I'm not sure. The > penalty for missing a ramp is to ride in the non-HOV all the way to the > Springfield Mixing Bowl (gag). > > Anyone confirm I can get onto the HOV lanes from there? Yes - 110 south to 395 south will let you onto the HOV lanes, but be quick about getting left because you don't have much space between the onramp and the HOV entrance. Another route is to take 50 east to the Memorial Bridge/GW Parkway exit. Take the parkway for about 1/2 a mile and there's a "27/to 395" exit - bear right and it'll take you to 27. Again, you'll need to move pretty quickly to get to the HOV entrance on the left. The nice part about this route is that if you're coming from a bit farther west you don't have to take 66 to get to 110 south. -- Dave Meyer dmeyer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 21:51:49 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dccycles2" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Cruiser need a tach! Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:51:09 -0400 I installed my Drag Specialties Tach today. Looks pretty stock. Very simple to install. http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/drag-3.jpg http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/drag-4.jpg http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/drag-1.jpg My Garage is getting a little full :-) http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/fullgar.jpg Gary Foreman mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX 2001 Shadow Sabre 1999 TL1000R 1985 FJ1100 (For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 22:04:49 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:06:48 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles CC: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s Adam, The flat-black FZR was indeed mine. But I think you may have seen Jay Goddard swinging a leg over it. I don't have goatee. And I wasn't in Bethesda on Thursday night. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Chuck Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > I was at bike night as well. I saw a guy with short > hair and a goatee talking with who must been Chuck > Pena being as he was sitting on the much written about > flat-black FZR. Saw the same guy in a Ford Escort on > Montrose Road in Bethesda on Thurs night eyeing the > 2000 GSXR 750 with the high mounted Mig exhaust and > euro tail I was riding behind (my ride being a F1, > also present were a Katana and YZF 750). Just > wondering who you are! > > Adam Reinhardt > > 89 CBR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 22:10:36 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:12:37 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night Just to let y'all know that I've updated the Bike Night page with what I hope is the most up-to-date info about the various "Ride to Lunch" locations. For those establishments that have web pages (that I know about), there are links (if you need exact location, directions, phone number, etc.) There are also email links to each person who is nominally "responsible". Niv and Matthew - Please let me know if your ideas are still just suggestions or whether they're "real". Anyone want to put together another ride to lunch locations in Northern Virginia a little "further out" (e.g., Reston)? Grevey's is probably relatively convenient for those in Arlington, Falls Church, and Tysons Corner (maybe Alexandria too). But certainly it's not central for all those who work in Northern Virginia and want to ride to lunch and meet other m/c-ists. And don't forget that there's another Bike Night on Tuesday, July 17th at Grevey's in Falls Church. Mark is working on getting a date for another Bike Night in July at CarPool. Keep checking the web page http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 22:55:17 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:54:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 929 for $7999? Picked this up on the VFR list : >Got my VFR back yesterday. Like new condition again! Shweet. On the way >back from picking it up I stopped by the local dealer and was totally >shocked. When did honda knock $2k off the 929? They had 3 2001 samples >all marked at $7999. I knew the GSXR1000 and R1 were still outselling >it, but I had no idea Honda was "blowing" them out. Talked to the wife, >and we came up with a plan to get the 929 that she was cool with. Now I >just gotta decide if I wanna take the path more squidly. Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 23:01:23 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:00:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: It had to happen sooner or later Watch out DC speeders.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6255-2001Jul1.html "After a year-long delay, D.C. police are scheduled to announce today the use of radar cameras to capture motorists who race through city streets, the latest effort by local officials to use technology to control traffic scofflaws." ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 23:02:32 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:01:52 -0400 Quite possible. Tri Co. Honda has them listed for $8195. That's the Out-The-Door price. Taxes are paid in your home state of course. http://www.citlink.net/citlink/r/romneycyclecenter/tri_county_honda.htm Gary -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 929 for $7999? Picked this up on the VFR list : >Got my VFR back yesterday. Like new condition again! Shweet. On the way >back from picking it up I stopped by the local dealer and was totally >shocked. When did honda knock $2k off the 929? They had 3 2001 samples >all marked at $7999. I knew the GSXR1000 and R1 were still outselling >it, but I had no idea Honda was "blowing" them out. Talked to the wife, >and we came up with a plan to get the 929 that she was cool with. Now I >just gotta decide if I wanna take the path more squidly. Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 07:19:45 2001 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:21:20 -0400 Watch out DC speeders.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6255-2001Jul1.html "After a year-long delay, D.C. police are scheduled to announce today the use of radar cameras ... Do a net search on photo radar & you'll eventually come to the place that sells the license plate shields that allegedly protect you from revenue generating schemes like this. I think my neighbor has one on his truck.... I was noticing how his plate is only viewable from almost directly... YET another reason why DC doesn't deserve statehood or any money out of any motorists pockets. Don't even buy from businesses based in DC. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 07:36:09 2001 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:36:03 EDT Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd say this is good evidence that the 929 replacement will be announced soon. They'll have trouble selling the old ones if they come out will the super mack daddy of all CBRs. Also, I noticed you posted to "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" wasn't the list switched over to dc-cycles@XXXXXX about a year and a half ago? Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 08:26:33 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: License Plate Shields (was RE: It had to happen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I saw a local news "expose" a few months ago that dispelled the idea that those things work. I don't know if it's true or not, becuase they seemed to be working awfully closely with one of the local police dept.s to do the report. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR > come to the place > that sells the license plate shields that allegedly > protect you from > revenue generating schemes like this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 08:44:30 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night To: DC Cycles OK folks- We need a head count for the Fingers and Claws Ride to Lunch on July 18th for Chuck. F & C is in the Muddy Branch Shopping Center on Muddy Branch Road. The nearest major cross street is Great Seneca Highway. The restaurant is in a shopping center, so there is plenty of parking. It's about 15 minutes from Bethesda as it's right off the 370 exit off 270. I can't find a web site, even on Wash Post.com. Anyway, it is a neat little place that sells good sandwiches and other tasy treats. Please let us know if your interested. If there is no response, we'll bag it. Thanks!! Matt --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Just to let y'all know that I've updated the Bike > Night page with what I > hope is the most up-to-date info about the various > "Ride to Lunch" > locations. For those establishments that have web > pages (that I know > about), there are links (if you need exact location, > directions, phone > number, etc.) There are also email links to each > person who is > nominally "responsible". > > Niv and Matthew - Please let me know if your ideas > are still just > suggestions or whether they're "real". > > Anyone want to put together another ride to lunch > locations in Northern > Virginia a little "further out" (e.g., Reston)? > Grevey's is probably > relatively convenient for those in Arlington, Falls > Church, and Tysons > Corner (maybe Alexandria too). But certainly it's > not central for all > those who work in Northern Virginia and want to ride > to lunch and meet > other m/c-ists. > > And don't forget that there's another Bike Night on > Tuesday, July 17th > at Grevey's in Falls Church. Mark is working on > getting a date for > another Bike Night in July at CarPool. Keep > checking the web page > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 09:16:33 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "Dave Yates" , "'Troutman'" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:16:17 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Dave Yates wrote: > Do a net search on photo radar & you'll eventually come to the place > that sells the license plate shields that allegedly protect you from > revenue generating schemes like this. I think my neighbor has one on > his truck.... I was noticing how his plate is only viewable from almost > directly... Actually, there was a story on one of those 10pm "news" shows (48 hours, dateline... one of them) where they showed that none of those things worked. The software that they pull up the photos from the cameras allows them to clean up the image to where the license is clearly visable through any of the various "guards". Now... whether the show was biased for the benefit of the police, I have no idea. > YET another reason why DC doesn't deserve statehood or any money out > of any motorists pockets. Don't even buy from businesses based in DC. While I tend to think speed limits on highways are a bit low... am I missing something here? Should we also boycott stores that use security cameras to catch people shoplifting? The law says you can't go above the posted limit. If you do, you're breaking the law. I actually think speed limit cameras may be the BEST way to get speed limits raised in the US... start hitting people in the wallet and suddenly they're going to get pissed and actually make some noise about limits being too low. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 09:44:52 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > Picked this up on the VFR list : > > >Got my VFR back yesterday. Like new condition again! > Shweet. On the way > >back from picking it up I stopped by the local dealer > and was totally > >shocked. When did honda knock $2k off the 929? They had > 3 2001 samples > >all marked at $7999. I knew the GSXR1000 and R1 were > still outselling > >it, but I had no idea Honda was "blowing" them out. > Talked to the wife, > >and we came up with a plan to get the 929 that she was > cool with. Now I > >just gotta decide if I wanna take the path more > squidly. > > Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... only if the dealer is loudoun motorsports. note: when you arrive ready to buy, the price will suddenly return to $9999. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 09:59:52 2001 From: "kkightly" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/01 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:58:10 -0400 Some time in the recent past I have read of someone offering travel and guide information about touring in the Blue Ridge. I will be able to get a few days soon and was wondering if anyone had tour information in and around Ashville NC. Thanks! Kurt (a wee bit of a skulker here) 95 Kawi Concours From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 10:14:33 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:14:24 -0400 I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden application of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications of constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and philosophy that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the benefits of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind or in front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license plate. :) Cedric While I tend to think speed limits on highways are a bit low... am I missing something here? Should we also boycott stores that use security cameras to catch people shoplifting? The law says you can't go above the posted limit. If you do, you're breaking the law. I actually think speed limit cameras may be the BEST way to get speed limits raised in the US... start hitting people in the wallet and suddenly they're going to get pissed and actually make some noise about limits being too low. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 10:57:38 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:50:44 -0400 Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my opinion, speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of vehicle types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not from suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their morning drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. Things must be looking up if that's the case. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden application > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications of > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and philosophy > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the benefits > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind or in > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license plate. :) > > Cedric From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 11:36:28 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:37:02 -0400 From: To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: License Plate Shields (was It had to happen) > I saw a local news "expose" a few months ago that > dispelled the idea that those things work. I don't > know if it's true or not, becuase they seemed to be > working awfully closely with one of the local police > dept.s to do the report. Should be easy enough to test, they're supposed to reflect the flash back at the camera, effectively showing it a blank plate.... Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Manage 5 Email Accounts From 1 Secure Window Sign Up Today! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 11:45:29 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:45:16 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later To: >A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind >or in >front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, >there is going to be a >surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the >rear license plate. :) > >Cedric Some Brits found an innovative way to deal with their 'GATSO' speed enforcement cameras. The photo is taken from behind, and apparently doing a wheelie conveniently obscured the license plate. No visible plate = no ticket in the mail. -Euan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 11:49:46 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:49:30 EDT Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: Whetu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Some Brits found an innovative way to deal with their > 'GATSO' speed enforcement cameras. The photo is taken > from behind, and apparently doing a wheelie > conveniently obscured the license plate. No visible > plate = no ticket in the mail. Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the rear tailsection. A cop right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but a camera high up shouldn't have the angle. Just a thought... Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:03:46 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: License Plate Shields (was It had to happen) To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not as easy as you might think. The example they gave on the telecast was that in those instances where there is a lot of reflection, they can still get the plate numbers with image manipulation (negatives, isolating color channels, etc.). Chris Weaver VTR, YSR --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Should be easy enough to test, they're supposed to > reflect the > flash back at the camera, effectively showing it a > blank > plate.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:06:07 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, Whetu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just make sure the plate is illuminated. As I recall, that's part of the law. As usual, I'm too lazy to look up the actual code online. One of the list's nitpickers can do that for me. ;^) Chris Weaver VTR, YSR --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the rear > tailsection. A cop > right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but a > camera high up shouldn't > have the angle. Just a thought... > > Keener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:11:17 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:15:30 -0400 This won't work in this case. The DC cameras are going to be mounted at ground level in unmarked police cruisers. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > Some Brits found an innovative way to deal with their > > 'GATSO' speed enforcement cameras. The photo is taken > > from behind, and apparently doing a wheelie > > conveniently obscured the license plate. No visible > > plate = no ticket in the mail. > > Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the rear tailsection. A cop > right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but a camera high up shouldn't > have the angle. Just a thought... > > Keener > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:13:57 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:13:52 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Get on I-395 HOV southbound? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chuck Pena >I'm not sure if the route you're proposing will work (it might). But >for sure this one will (from Arlington): > >- GW Parkway towards Natl Airport >- Exit for Pentagon (south parking?), I-395 south, Columbia Pike (it >might not say this) -- this is not too far after going past Memorial >Bridge >- Move to the far left lane and you'll be heading for the HOV lanes Thanks, Chuck, and everyone else. I ended up using Louis' route down Washington Blvd to the Pentagon ramps. Worked well except for that very last turn where they don't tell you which way is North and which way is South! thx Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:17:45 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:17:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Ride on July 4th? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Is anyone on the list interested in a group ride on Wednesday, July 4th? We could do either a "standard" ride or maybe one that has stops at one or two of the area historic attractions since it'll be our nation's birthday. (maybe Mount Vernon, Fort Ward, something like that) Anyone have ideas they'd like to share? Hopefully it would be local and not be too long a ride, since a lot of folks will have BBQs and parties to attend during midday. I'd be willing to lead the ride if it goes somewhere I'm familiar with. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:19:59 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:19:52 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden application > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications of > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > philosophy that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values > the benefits of citizenship. But there's the problem. Our society has started thinking "It's ok to do things as long as no one is watching" or by rationalizing that the rules somehow don't apply to them. These were also not the values and philosophies that founded this nation. I think I am safe in saying that *everyone* on this list has broken, or regularly breaks traffic laws (If not, I sincerely apologize). This includes myself. Be it speeding, splitting lanes on a bike, making a rolling stop at a stop sign, etc. Beyond this list, I'd say there are FEW people not guilty of these transgressions. Why? Why do we think it's ok to break traffic laws? Why don't the millions of motorists in the US get the laws changed if none of us believe they are correct? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:26:21 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:26:01 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Paul Wilson wrote: > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > opinion, speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 > mph limit on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix > of vehicle types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor > sight lines etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > reasonable. I'm with Paul on this one... having lived downtown before, I can say that the speed limits are more than reasonable and that speeders pose a real danger. The cameras may seem extreme, but what other recourse do you have when people simply won't obey the laws? Much like the red-light cameras people bitch about... umm... I happen to think stopping at red lights is a rather good thing to do, and am REALLY happy they installed the things here in Alexandria where the problem is completely out of hand. The intersection by my house that has a camera got 10x better after they installed it... it was scary-dangerous before that - you needed to wait after your side turned green to make sure you wouldn't get t-boned. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:46:04 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:50:06 -0400 Speeding drivers do cause great harm in DC. A couple of high-profile pedestrian fatalities come to mind. On the lesser end of the scale we had a speeder on our street lose control and plow into two parked cars on Friday night, right in front of our house, damn near taking out my bike too for good measure. Luckily a parked Ford Expedition has great impact absorption properties and bore most of the impact from the car. A couple of neighbors stood by and wouldn't let the driver leave until the cops came. Alcohol may have been a factor. Judging from the antics I see every day most drivers have little fear of law enforcement when it comes to traffic offenses in DC, with predictable results. Sadly, a certain segment of the population, in the absence of coercion, will do whatever they want regardless of the consequences to themselves or other road users. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Roach > > The cameras may seem extreme, but what other recourse do you have when people > simply won't obey the laws? Much like the red-light cameras people bitch > about... umm... I happen to think stopping at red lights is a rather good > thing to do, and am REALLY happy they installed the things here in Alexandria > where the problem is completely out of hand. The intersection by my house > that has a camera got 10x better after they installed it... it was > scary-dangerous before that - you needed to wait after your side turned green > to make sure you wouldn't get t-boned. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:49:13 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:49:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later At 12:26 PM 7/2/01, Brian Roach wrote: >I'm with Paul on this one... having lived downtown before, I can say that the >speed limits are more than reasonable and that speeders pose a real danger. > >The cameras may seem extreme, but what other recourse do you have when people >simply won't obey the laws? Much like the red-light cameras people bitch >about... umm... I happen to think stopping at red lights is a rather good >thing to do, and am REALLY happy they installed the things here in Alexandria >where the problem is completely out of hand. The intersection by my house >that has a camera got 10x better after they installed it... it was >scary-dangerous before that - you needed to wait after your side turned green >to make sure you wouldn't get t-boned. OK - here is my issue with automated law enforcement. A camera offers no discretion. On the bike, I have had to blow several red lights thanks to faulty trigger mechanisms. People have been caught on red-light cameras during funeral processions and when semi trucks were blocking view of the overhead light (I can tell you all about that one). Take this a step further into radar enforcement and combine it with the DC court system for fighting traffic tickets. I shudder to think what the financially strapped district is going to do with this cash cow. Stuff like this starts with good intentions, but look forward a few years. Beltway radar cameras. 66 radar cameras. 55 cameras! Ugh! You can say 'limited trial' or 'specialized utilization' all you want. It won't stay that way for long. The NMA has been studying red-light cameras and intersection accident statistics. Red Light runners are not as statistically significant as the media hype would lead you to believe. Think about that - and the artificially low speed limits on many of our roads. Crush this before it begins. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:52:36 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:52:26 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Pedos At 12:50 PM 7/2/01, Paul Wilson wrote: >A couple of high-profile >pedestrian fatalities come to mind. You know - every time I ride in the city, I have people step out in front of me - not in a crosswalk, between parked cars, etc. My inclination is that this rash of pedestrian hits we have had over the last year are probably caused more by peds than by vehicles. That being said, if you do hit someone, never run. Unless you already have a body in the trunk or something. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 13:11:23 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:14:16 -0400 I agree with your assessment of speed cameras, especially in the adjudication of contested tickets. Let's have better enforcement by other means, but that means many roads get no enforcement at all and drivers know it. Here's a case in point: Kenilworth Ave., the 295/BW Pkwy. connector in DC, a crappy piece of road if there ever was one. There are no shoulders or very narrow shoulders and jersey barriers tight against the travel lanes, six lanes wide. Consequently, there is no way to ticket speeders unless an officer clocks or paces them on the move and then somehow gets them to pull off at an exit ramp. So there's no enforcement and drivers rocket through there at 75+, changing lanes with abandon, the whole nine yards. It's one of the scariest places to ride in this area, especially at night, and the scene of many deadly accidents. Again, I don't advocate automated enforcement, perhaps junk cruisers and mannequins would do the trick. Speed cameras are a law enforcement tool of last resort. That was the rationale behind the cameras on the GW Pkwy. at least. The Park Police claim they can't do adequate enforcement due to the design of the road itself. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman > > OK - here is my issue with automated law enforcement. A camera offers no > discretion. ... > > The NMA has been studying red-light cameras and intersection accident > statistics. Red Light runners are not as statistically significant as the > media hype would lead you to believe. Think about that - and the > artificially low speed limits on many of our roads. Crush this before it > begins. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 15:06:25 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:54:45 -0400 Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it cheaper than that. Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, BTW! Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 15:18:26 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Rob Keiser" , Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:14:53 -0400 You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden costs! -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it cheaper than that. Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, BTW! Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 15:39:57 2001 From: dan.snyder@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:39:46 -0400 To: "Gary Foreman" Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Cc: "Rob Keiser" , A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. Might make the trip meself. :-) At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden >costs! > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it >cheaper than that. > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, >BTW! > >Just an FYI. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 17:21:41 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:19:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Ride on July 4th? At 12:17 PM 7/2/01, you wrote: >Is anyone on the list interested in a group ride on >Wednesday, July 4th? We could do either a "standard" >ride or maybe one that has stops at one or two of the >area historic attractions since it'll be our nation's >birthday. (maybe Mount Vernon, Fort Ward, something >like that) Man, if you'd consider riding near Mount Vernon on July 4th, you're a braver man than I, Gunga Din. Or you have a much lighter clutch lever. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 17:28:29 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:28:15 EDT Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2001 11:00:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > may see some positive benefits if DC is > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" The problem is that anything will still go. In the end this will be nothing more than an excuse to have fewer cops out _Patrolling_, looking for the things that are truly dangerous. Now they can just sit in the donut shop and tally tickets. And _Please_ do not tell me people will rebel, most of these morons want to be "protected" from their own stupidity. AKA. "I am glad they passed a seat belt law, because seat belts are good, and now I will wear mine." Seen on a newscast just after the state I was living in passed a seat belt law. I still want to slap that stupid woman even after all these years. (I should never answer these thing right after a ride.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 17:38:35 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:38:21 EDT Subject: Re: Get on I-395 HOV southbound? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2001 12:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Worked well except for that very last turn where they don't tell you which > way is North and which way is South! I always thought that having a compass on a bike was stupid... Then I moved here. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 18:47:10 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:47:22 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of Speed Limits... ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes on I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo hoo! Jim '00 Monster 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 18:54:12 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Jim Shoemaker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Speed Limits... Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:54:07 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Jim Shoemaker wrote: > ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes > on I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo > hoo! They have signs up or something? Is it only during HOV restriction hours? Inquiring minds would like to know more! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 19:06:03 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:06:15 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Speed Limits... I saw only one sign half hidden (so the non-HOV traffic wouldn't see it, I guess) as I entered the HOVs at the Pentagon. Also, I *just* saw the new speed limits mentioned on the news. They said 65 mph all the time, not just during HOV restrictions. They didn't say anything about I-66 though --Jim Brian Roach wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Jim Shoemaker wrote: > > ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes > > on I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo > > hoo! > > They have signs up or something? Is it only during HOV restriction hours? > Inquiring minds would like to know more! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 19:39:33 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:41:16 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: DC Cycles List Subject: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? All, >From the Bandit list. This is not a good thing. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 >>FOX Network has purchased Speedvision, and reportedly plans to >>turn it into an all NASCAR network, dropping the coverage of boats, >>planes,motorcycles and other car racing and information programs. >> >>I have just read and signed the online petition: >> >> "Speedvision & NASCAR programming" >> >>hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition >>service, at: >> >> http://www.PetitionOnline.com/svsn/ >> >>I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might >>agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and >>consider signing yourself. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 19:48:32 2001 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:48:09 EDT Subject: Re: Speaking of Speed Limits... To: shoe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_113.11d8061.28726239_boundary In a message dated 7/2/2001 6:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shoe@XXXXXX writes: > ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes > on > I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo hoo! > > > Jim > '00 Monster 750 > Yep. They were out changing the signs Saturday morning. It's not just the HOV's. It's all lanes in and out. Nice gesture. Too bad everyone does 90 anyway. ;-) ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_113.11d8061.28726239_boundary In a message dated 7/2/2001 6:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shoe@XXXXXX
writes:


...Which some were in another thread --  I noticed today that the HOV lanes
on
I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon.  Woo hoo!


Jim
'00 Monster 750


Yep.  They were out changing the signs Saturday morning.  It's not just the
HOV's.  It's all lanes in and out.  Nice gesture.  Too bad everyone does 90
anyway.  ;-)

ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_113.11d8061.28726239_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 20:19:52 2001 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:19:48 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Larry Meyer wrote: > >From the Bandit list. This is not a good thing. > >>FOX Network has purchased Speedvision, and reportedly plans to > >>turn it into an all NASCAR network, dropping the coverage of boats, > >>planes,motorcycles and other car racing and information programs. Before everyone goes off... this is old rumor, and a bad one at that. FOX has always had a controlling interest in SpeedVision, since 1998. They have finally decied to fully aquire it, and have been running day-to-day operations since April. Will it mean some NASCAR programming on speedvision? Maybe... maybe not. Seems to me they would have done it by now if they'd wanted to. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:05:49 2001 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: honda 900rr Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:11:46 -0400 I am searching for a used 900rr with low miles. I want to get a newer one. Anyone know any info on these bikes, if they are reliable? I cant find very much information on them. I have decided to go with a honda. Its either the 900rr, 929, blackbird. But i believe the 900rr has been out longer, and i am really looking for a bike that has everythhing sorted out. The 929 seems pretty new as of yet. Anyone out there with a 900rr. Is there something i should know about these bikes, i have been told to avoid the newer ones from 91-93. Im looking for one in the 98 year range. Anyone know of a shop with one for sale (used)? Ricardo Pontes 98 tiger From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:31:08 2001 From: "Keith Lamond" Cc: Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:43:28 -0400 After seeing the first response mentioning Romney Cycles, I called them up to see what type of a deal would they cut me on an SV650. I couldn't believe the price he quoted me. I then asked how much was dealer prep and so on, and he told me that the price he quoted was for everything. I think I found where I'm getting my bike. Keith Dead Nighthawk S Borrowed (from wife) Magna V30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: "Rob Keiser" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? > A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. > Might make the trip meself. > :-) > > At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: > >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new > >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden > >costs! > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > > > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it > >cheaper than that. > > > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new > >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just > >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal > >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he > >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > > > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go > >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, > >BTW! > > > >Just an FYI. > > > >Rob > >'98 VFR800 > > > > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:45:51 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? or less Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:45:40 -0400 I tell you, this guy is no BS. Just beware of the WV temp tag. IT'S HUGE!!! Will cost you at least 5 mph!!! LOL Get the bike, you won't be sorry! There was a red SV650S going out the same time we hit the road. He's there to move bikes. Rob '98 VFR800 PS. Absolutely no affiliation. YMMV, yadda yadda yadda Just like to spread good news. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith Lamond" CC: Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:43:28 -0400 After seeing the first response mentioning Romney Cycles, I called them up to see what type of a deal would they cut me on an SV650. I couldn't believe the price he quoted me. I then asked how much was dealer prep and so on, and he told me that the price he quoted was for everything. I think I found where I'm getting my bike. Keith Dead Nighthawk S Borrowed (from wife) Magna V30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: "Rob Keiser" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? > A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. > Might make the trip meself. > :-) > > At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: > >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new > >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden > >costs! > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > > > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it > >cheaper than that. > > > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new > >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just > >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal > >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he > >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > > > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go > >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, > >BTW! > > > >Just an FYI. > > > >Rob > >'98 VFR800 > > > > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:51:11 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Rob Keiser" , Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? or less Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:50:51 -0400 Yeah Rob. I had the title when I left and went right to VA DMV and got my tags. That sucker is HUGE! -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? or less I tell you, this guy is no BS. Just beware of the WV temp tag. IT'S HUGE!!! Will cost you at least 5 mph!!! LOL Get the bike, you won't be sorry! There was a red SV650S going out the same time we hit the road. He's there to move bikes. Rob '98 VFR800 PS. Absolutely no affiliation. YMMV, yadda yadda yadda Just like to spread good news. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith Lamond" CC: Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:43:28 -0400 After seeing the first response mentioning Romney Cycles, I called them up to see what type of a deal would they cut me on an SV650. I couldn't believe the price he quoted me. I then asked how much was dealer prep and so on, and he told me that the price he quoted was for everything. I think I found where I'm getting my bike. Keith Dead Nighthawk S Borrowed (from wife) Magna V30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: "Rob Keiser" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? > A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. > Might make the trip meself. > :-) > > At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: > >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new > >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden > >costs! > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > > > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it > >cheaper than that. > > > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new > >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just > >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal > >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he > >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > > > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go > >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, > >BTW! > > > >Just an FYI. > > > >Rob > >'98 VFR800 > > > > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 22:08:31 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: 929's on the cheap... Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:08:09 -0400 Hey, I know Twigg Cycles (Hagerstown, just off of dual highway) had brand spanking 929's for either $8199 or $8299, can't remember which. The Erion version was still $1000 more. Thru the grapevine I hear the dealer in Romney, WV (can't remember which of the big four they sell) is *THE* place to buy bikes in or around the end of the model year. Seems every year they get too many and every year have a fire sale beginning right about this time. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:04:27 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:02:25 -0400 From: "Scott Luttrell" To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again This link is to an article about a rise in motorcycle related deaths Click here: 07/03: AOL News: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:05:22 2001 From: Erik Schelzig To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sights and Farewells Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:00:18 -0400 Three things on a Tuesday morning: 1.) Walking up Connecticut Ave. towards Dupont Circle yesterday, I spotted a scantily clad couple aboard a dual sport bike: The were both wearing full-face helmets, but that was close to it. He had no shirt on, shorts, and Teva-style slippers. She had a tanktop, short-shorts, and slippers. Neither, of course, was wearing gloves. I could only imagine the ensuing carnage if they took a dive off that bike. 2.) Also walking around town this morning, and noticed a number of bikes parked up on the sidewalks. They were mostly recesses sidewalks (i.e. wider than most normal sidewalks). I saw at least three such bikes this morning. Does this signal a greater acceptance on the part of D.C. authorities of bikes being parked up and off the street? 3.) After a good number of years (at least 4!) on the DC-Cycles list, I am signing off soon to embark on my year-long trip to Germany. I'm bringing my bike, so that's the good news. Upon returning, though, it'll be off to Florida, so I will not be returning to the list. I think everybody for the great time, the good (and bad) information, and for everyone's patience about my promoting my articles in the Washington Post and the Motorcycle Consumer News. I've bought and sold all sorts of motorcycles, parts, and accessories through this list, and it's been a great sounding board through the years. All the best! Erik 01 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:34:09 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:33:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again This appears to merely indicate that groups with more people have more wreckes. According to the AMA: " Between 1990 and 1999, according to statistics provided to the AMA by NHTSA, the mean age of fatally injured motorcyclists rose from 29.3 years to 36.5 years. During the same period, the mean age of motorcycle owners rose from 26.9 years to 38.1 years. " http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/releases/g01021.html Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Scott Luttrell" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:02:25 -0400 >This link is to an article about a rise in motorcycle related deaths >Click here: 07/03: AOL >News: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again > > >Scott Luttrell >Fast & Wily Racing >www.fastandwily.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:41:19 2001 From: "Jim Caldwell" To: , Subject: Asheville/Smoky Mtns. Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:40:47 -0400 Here's a great link from a local guy that describes the good roads in the area. http://www.valkyrieriders.com/smokeymt.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 09:04:33 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:04:12 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? To: >From an interview with Fox Exec.: "Fox Cable CEO Jeff Shell said plans for additional NASCAR programming on Speedvision were still in the works, with Fox Sports chairman David Hill "taking a real hard look at it." While additional NASCAR programming will find its way onto Speedvision, Shell said, that will not come at the expense of its popular existing features. "The goal will be to retain everything that has worked for the channel so far," Shell said. "There's a lot of very strong programming with hardcore passionate fans, whether its motocross or F-1 [Formula One racing], those things will absolutely stay."" __________________________ Yes, there will probably be NASCAR on Speedvision. Whether it 'replaces' motorcycle racing or not is yet to be seen. -Euan From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 10:14:22 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: News Flash: AMA has a new Racing Cheif To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Mathers New Operations Manager at AMA Pro by dean adams It's been rumored all morning that there was a monumental press release coming from AMA Pro Racing regarding a shuffling of positions. It just came across the wire. Here's the release: "AMA Pro Racing announced today the addition of Gary Mathers in the capacity of Operations Manager for the AMA Chevy Trucks U.S. Superbike Championship. In this role, Mathers' responsibilities will encompass the planning, budgeting and field operations for all AMA Pro Racing road-race events. More specifically, the Operations Manager attends each event, and directs the activities of all AMA operations staff, including full-time, part-time and volunteer staff, plus local labor hired for the event. Mathers' responsibilities also include interfacing with racing teams, track operators and promoters to ensure the smooth operation of each event. Gary Mathers comes to AMA Pro Racing with a deep background in motorcycling and professional motorsports competition, as a racer initially and, more notably, as a team manager. He began his motorcycle racing career aboard a BSA 650 dirt-tracker, and in 1975 Mathers transitioned into race team management with Kawasaki, eventually heading up their motorcycle road racing and motocross teams. In 1985, Mathers joined American Honda in the capacity of race team manager, overseeing their burgeoning flat-track, road racing and motocross teams. The leadership experience and working knowledge of corporate structures that Mathers gained during his long tenure with two major motorcycle manufacturers will serve him well in his capacity of Operations Manager. Since entering the world of race team management, Mathers' teams won a remarkable 76 national motorcycle and snowmobile championships, and never failed to win at least one championship every year -- an enviable record that makes him the winningest team manager in the motorcycle industry. This impressive racing rM-isumM-i makes Gary Mathers uniquely qualified to enter his new position with AMA Pro Racing. Mathers stated, "I'm flattered that AMA Pro Racing would consider me for this position, and I am anxious to begin in this new capacity. I know that my race team background will help me understand the needs of teams, sponsors, promoters and manufacturers. This is a time of growth for AMA Pro Racing and the road-racing community as a whole. Road racing is maturing as a sport, and it's time for road racing to take a higher profile in the public eye." ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 11:01:21 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:01:38 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Robert Damron I'm not a flat track follower, but saw this and thought the list might want to know: http://sports.iwon.com/news/07012001/obit-damron.html Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 11:50:42 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:50:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles cc: t_knapik@XXXXXX We're working on setting up a ride to lunch meeting at Louisiana Express in Bethesda! Lisa '95 VFR Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch To: Lori Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm jus tdown the street in Bethesda. Shady Grove wouldn't be a problem. Tom Knapik --- Lori Wilson wrote: > I ride to work every day, rain or shine so I'm SURE > I'll be riding to work > on July 18th. I work in Frederick, though so a ride > to lunch in DC isn't an > option. Shady Grove isn't too far though- how many > people would be in for > lunch in the Shady Grove area?? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 11:55:45 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:55:37 -0400 No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX '97 916 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my opinion, > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of vehicle > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not from > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their morning > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > application > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > of > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > philosophy > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > benefits > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind or > in > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license plate. > :) > > > > Cedric > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:12:11 2001 From: "L4rite" To: Subject: Re: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:12:59 -0400 Hello everyone, and have a joyous 4th..... The speedvision deal is with Fox and Comcast Cable..Comcast owned part of Speedvision, along with Fox....Fox is trading the Outer Network "OLN" and the Golf Channel and some cash for full owner ship of Speedvision....according to Mr. Murdoch's statements he wants to continue the Speedvision programming as is and then later on add a separate 24 hr Nascar channel, they make plenty of cash off of speedvision and nascar, so he figures that he will have a wide audience if he has two channels for motorsports....hope this belays some of your fears...Les...... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:15:32 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:09:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Genna Melamed CC: Paul Wilson , Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed from crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up and take the Metro. Bill Genna Melamed wrote: > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > '97 916 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > opinion, > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > vehicle > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > from > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > morning > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750F > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > application > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > > of > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > philosophy > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > benefits > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > or > > in > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > plate. > > :) > > > > > > Cedric > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:30:53 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:30:47 -0400 I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Genna Melamed" Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed from > crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up and take > the Metro. > > Bill > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > '97 916 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > opinion, > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > vehicle > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > from > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > morning > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR750F > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > application > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > > > of > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > philosophy > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > benefits > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > > or > > > in > > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > > plate. > > > :) > > > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:36:31 2001 From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:36:05 -0400 So can I use the excuse, "I was doing 60 in a 15mph school zone because I can't ride at slow speeds in court?" Has anyone tried this. This is great. Hell I may as well make it 100mph in a 15 zone. We all now centrifugal force of the wheels will make it easier to keep the bike vertical. This is the same vein of, "I can't control that car AND talk on the phone at the same time, so I'll just talk on the phone." I can't ride slow, so I'll speed thru traffic, and they should change the laws to match. Have to agree with Mr. Huson. If you can't ride at 15, don't ride. How much body work have you replaced on your 916? Lost Dawg '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA Genna Melamed wrote: > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > '97 916 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > opinion, > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > vehicle > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > from > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > morning > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750F > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > application > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > > of > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > philosophy > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > benefits > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > or > > in > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > plate. > > :) > > > > > > Cedric > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:37:09 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Comcast/Fox/Speedvision To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wonder if this means good things for those of us (Arlington, for example) that get Fox Sports Net but not Speedvision? Arlington is served by Comcast. I wonder how this all plays out? Chris Weaver --- L4rite wrote: > Hello everyone, and have a joyous 4th..... > > The speedvision deal is with Fox and Comcast > Cable..Comcast owned part > of Speedvision, along with Fox....Fox is trading the > Outer Network "OLN" and > the Golf Channel and some cash for full owner ship > of > Speedvision....according to Mr. Murdoch's statements > he wants to continue > the Speedvision programming as is and then later on > add a separate 24 hr > Nascar channel, they make plenty of cash off of > speedvision and nascar, so > he figures that he will have a wide audience if he > has two channels for > motorsports....hope this belays some of your > fears...Les...... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:44:34 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:44:53 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: Chris Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Comcast/Fox/Speedvision If Comcast is there usual self (and why I dropped cable and went to DirecTV), they will continue to provide Fox Sports Net and if there is a 24-hour NASCAR channel, that too. But they'll still elect not to provide Speedvision. They could be offering Speedvision now, but don't. So I don't see how any changes in Speedvision ownership would change that. Chuck Chris Weaver wrote: > > I wonder if this means good things for those of us > (Arlington, for example) that get Fox Sports Net but > not Speedvision? Arlington is served by Comcast. I > wonder how this all plays out? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:48:10 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:48:00 EDT Subject: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll be up there racing and was wondering if anybody was gonna come up and say hi. Who knows...I might even have a racebike or two this weekend....maybe even a truck. (Seems I blew up my SV700 AND my Expedition last weekend when I was racing in Savannah Georgia.) My number is 3. (Same as my IQ according to my parents.) Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:50:49 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Safe Speed vs. Speed Limits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Based on personal experience, I'll go on record as saying that I agree with Genna insofar as 25mph is usually too slow for anything but parking lots and pedestrian-dominated mall areas like Reston Town Center. I think Genna's ultimate point was that most people's innate judgment about safe speed is different than the arbitrarily low speed limits in many areas. If one is constantly evaluating traffic risks and coordinating that with their experience about braking distance, accelleration speed, and safe avoidance techniques (as any good rider will do as a matter of course), it often becomes obvious that the posted speed limits are unnecessarily low. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:03:56 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:57:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Genna Melamed CC: Paul Wilson , Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later I've done it - no problem, on a variety of bikes, one being a frisky Yamahonker sport bike. Perhaps having a good *ear* for what the engine is doing helps. A few weeks on any bike and I can ear-guess the RPM very close, and RPM translates into speed in any given gear. Practice practice practice, you'll get it. Bill Genna Melamed wrote: > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > - From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:06:20 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:06:07 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Genna Melamed" >I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way >too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty >street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I >guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. What sort of guarantee are you offering? I understand what you mean, though - what I do is downshift until I'm at an engine speed where it's easy to maintain a prudent speed. With my ST1100, for example, I've got to be in 4th gear if I'm to keep it from creeping above 60mph. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:10:31 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:10:28 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Safe Speed vs. Speed Limits ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chris Weaver >Based on personal experience, I'll go on record as >saying that I agree with Genna insofar as 25mph is >usually too slow for anything but parking lots and >pedestrian-dominated mall areas like Reston Town >Center. I disagree. A residential area like where I live in Falls Church city has roads with cars parked on each side. Multiple crosswalks for joggers & pedestrians. School bus stops. Bicyclists. People walking their dogs. 25 mph is plenty fast. Sometimes 20 is plenty. Yes, there are plenty of places where the speed limit is unnaturally slow. But there are many places where 25mph is a realistic speed limit. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:17:16 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Gaske David G DLVA" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:17:09 -0400 you missed the point. No it's not a good excuse in court. Actually there is no good excuse in court. It's a fact. Different vehicles are comfortable at different speeds, different drivers/riders are comfortable at different speed. Those are the speeds drivers/riders naturally maintain. This is a reason for 85 percentile rule for speed limits(something that is not being followed in US, though is recommended by NHTSA) When I drive Camry, I rarely go above 70-75(highway) and something around 30-35 city. The car easily maintains that speed because gearing/power/feel is all right for it. Cars are usually easier to keep at lower speeds because of gearing and weight. on the sport bike, while it is possible to keep just about any speeds you want it is not natural and often not easy. 35-40 is usually the point where engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power if you need it and you are not jerking all the time. Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that makes it more difficult to maintain low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, especially 4 cyl. This is not my first bike, and this applies to just about everything I've ridden short of few cruisers. Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below that. I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. Please let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. Especially if you wear leather. One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. This comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. Even most police officers are not going to give you ticket for 30-35mph in DC unless you are doing something really stupid. And no, 60 in school zone or 100 in 15 was not what I was taking about In any case. This discussion only makes sense if all people that disagree with me have NEVER went above posted speed limit. And no, the bodywork is all original. David, I would love to meet you and have a bet that you will not be able to maintain 15 mph for more then 10 minutes on straight,empty, no traffic lights road with speedometer and tach taped over. On any motorcycle(unless, of course, 15mph is it's top speed) Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaske David G DLVA" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later > So can I use the excuse, "I was doing 60 in a 15mph school zone because I > can't ride at slow speeds in court?" Has anyone tried this. This is great. > Hell I may as well make it 100mph in a 15 zone. We all now centrifugal > force of the wheels will make it easier to keep the bike vertical. > > This is the same vein of, "I can't control that car AND talk on the phone at > the same time, so I'll just talk on the phone." I can't ride slow, so I'll > speed thru traffic, and they should change the laws to match. Have to agree > with Mr. Huson. If you can't ride at 15, don't ride. How much body work > have you replaced on your 916? > > Lost Dawg > '00 Sprint RS (yellow) > Fredericksburg, Va. USA > > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i > think > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > '97 916 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > opinion, > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph > limit > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > vehicle > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > reasonable. > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of > us > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC > is > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > from > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > morning > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said > that > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their > neighborhoods. > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR750F > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > application > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian > implications > > > of > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > philosophy > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > benefits > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > > or > > > in > > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be > a > > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > > plate. > > > :) > > > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:23:25 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: , "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:23:18 -0400 First, I wasn't talking about 60, but 25. 60 is no problem to maintain, 25 is different story. And yes there are some places where 25 is plenty fast, but not most DC. Second, ST1100 is not sports bike, but touring bike, it's gearing will allow you to keep low speeds relatively easy. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Genna Melamed" > >I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > >too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > >street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > >guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > > What sort of guarantee are you offering? > > I understand what you mean, though - what I do is downshift until I'm at an engine speed where it's easy to maintain a prudent speed. With my ST1100, for example, I've got to be in 4th gear if I'm to keep it from creeping above 60mph. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:26:49 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:26:45 -0500 Subject: Triumph valve tool for sale I forgot to cancel an order with cycle=spurt so now I got 2. $90 to anywhere in the USA. I know they work for T3's but someone with a shop manual for T5's would have to see if the part # matches up. Considering a valve job can easily run 2 or 3 hours of labor it'll pay for itself in just one use. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:28:03 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:27:56 -0400 If you have to listen to the bike or look at speedo/tach it's the same thing, you are NOT paying attention to the road. It's the same as listening to cell phone while you ride. Not to mention that if you have STOCK/LEGAL pipes you won't hear much difference in 3K or 4K RPM, that's more then 10MPH difference on most sport bikes. Are you trying to tell me that when you go from stop light you go until you hit 25 on speedometer and then listen to the engine to stay at that speed? Forgive me if I don't believe that you do it every time you ride. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Genna Melamed" Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > I've done it - no problem, on a variety of bikes, one being a frisky Yamahonker > sport bike. Perhaps having a good *ear* for what the engine is doing helps. A > few weeks on any bike and I can ear-guess the RPM very close, and RPM translates > into speed in any given gear. Practice practice practice, you'll get it. > > Bill > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > - > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:42:56 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Comcast/Fox/Speedvision To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX When I lived in Baltimore County, we had Speedvision, FoxSportsNet and it was Comcast. Now I live in Montgomery Counnty and no Speedvision. Plus, it's the same rate per month. So WTF? --- Chuck Pena wrote: > If Comcast is there usual self (and why I dropped > cable and went to > DirecTV), they will continue to provide Fox Sports > Net and if there is a > 24-hour NASCAR channel, that too. But they'll still > elect not to > provide Speedvision. They could be offering > Speedvision now, but > don't. So I don't see how any changes in > Speedvision ownership would > change that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:03:44 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night To: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles I would go, but I am going to be in Cancun. Let me know next time. Todd W. --- Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > OK folks- We need a head count for the Fingers and > Claws Ride to Lunch on July 18th for Chuck. > > F & C is in the Muddy Branch Shopping Center on > Muddy > Branch Road. The nearest major cross street is Great > Seneca Highway. The restaurant is in a shopping > center, so there is plenty of parking. > > It's about 15 minutes from Bethesda as it's right > off > the 370 exit off 270. > > I can't find a web site, even on Wash Post.com. > Anyway, it is a neat little place that sells good > sandwiches and other tasy treats. > > Please let us know if your interested. If there is > no > response, we'll bag it. > > Thanks!! > > Matt > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > Just to let y'all know that I've updated the Bike > > Night page with what I > > hope is the most up-to-date info about the various > > "Ride to Lunch" > > locations. For those establishments that have web > > pages (that I know > > about), there are links (if you need exact > location, > > directions, phone > > number, etc.) There are also email links to each > > person who is > > nominally "responsible". > > > > Niv and Matthew - Please let me know if your ideas > > are still just > > suggestions or whether they're "real". > > > > Anyone want to put together another ride to lunch > > locations in Northern > > Virginia a little "further out" (e.g., Reston)? > > Grevey's is probably > > relatively convenient for those in Arlington, > Falls > > Church, and Tysons > > Corner (maybe Alexandria too). But certainly it's > > not central for all > > those who work in Northern Virginia and want to > ride > > to lunch and meet > > other m/c-ists. > > > > And don't forget that there's another Bike Night > on > > Tuesday, July 17th > > at Grevey's in Falls Church. Mark is working on > > getting a date for > > another Bike Night in July at CarPool. Keep > > checking the web page > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. > > > > Chuck > > > > -- > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo > Banzai > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:06:30 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:04:06 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Genna Melamed , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Genna, Just go up a gear in traffic like that, especially if you've got a "peaky" bike. Cruising in second keeps the RPM's down, where you can practically crawl. Riding slow, safely, is an important factor in street riding. You might want to sign up for an intermediate rider course with the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "Genna Melamed" > Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed > from > > crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up > and take > > the Metro. > > > > Bill > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort > of > > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You > can > > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i > think > > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > '97 916 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > > opinion, > > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph > limit > > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > > vehicle > > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight > lines > > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > reasonable. > > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of > us > > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if > DC is > > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a > narrow > > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > > from > > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > > morning > > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said > that > > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their > neighborhoods. > > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > > 95 VFR750F > > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > > application > > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian > implications > > > > of > > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > > philosophy > > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > > benefits > > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from > behind > > > or > > > > in > > > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to > be a > > > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > > > plate. > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:12:02 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: Chris Weaver , SKeener2@XXXXXX, Whetu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX You can still be cited for improper display, even with it illuminated. Todd W. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Just make sure the plate is illuminated. As I > recall, > that's part of the law. As usual, I'm too lazy to > look > up the actual code online. One of the list's > nitpickers can do that for me. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR > > > --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the > rear > > tailsection. A cop > > right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but > a > > camera high up shouldn't > > have the angle. Just a thought... > > > > Keener > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:16:04 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , Genna Melamed , "D.C.Cycles-L" genna doesn't need to go up a gear, unless he'd like his 916 to stall out. it is humanly impossible to cruise at 25mph in second gear on a 916/996 without feathering the [very heavy and abbreviated-life] clutch.....it's simply geared too tall. that seems to be the underlying problem here, and genna should probably not have generalized it to all sportbikes. --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Genna, > Just go up a gear in traffic like that, > especially if you've got a > "peaky" bike. Cruising in second keeps the RPM's down, > where you can practically > crawl. Riding slow, safely, is an important factor in > street riding. You might > want to sign up for an intermediate rider course with the > Motorcycle Safety > Foundation. > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear > traffic, 25 is way > > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe > me, try it. Find empty > > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or > RPM for 5 minutes, I > > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 > minutes. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:16:50 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:17:12 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: Todd Withrow CC: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night And the reason you can't ride from Cancun??? %^) Todd Withrow wrote: > > I would go, but I am going to be in Cancun. Let me > know next time. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:17:36 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:17:23 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for lost keys - semi long To: Well folks, like an idiot, I lost my car/apartment keys last night. I suited up in my full leathers (no pockets) for a late night ride, threw my keys and wallet under the seat and took off. From DC, took 95 out towards Potomac Mills, turned around and came back into town in the HOV lanes. Nothing like a nice night ride in unoccupied HOV lanes to get your adrenalin pumping. ;-) Anyway, got back into the garage and popped the seat. Take out wallet and go to grab keys. No keys. FUCK!!!! Everything under the seat had shifted due to all the road construction bumps and my keys must have bounced into the fairing & slid out the hole for the passenger footpeg. Luckily I've got a friend who keeps a spare set for me. Never thought I'd have to use them. :-( I can get all the keys replaced but, I lost one car remote in the process. If any of you guys and gals who travel 95 can keep an eye out for a set of keys lying on the side of the road, I'd appreciate it. I know it's a long shot but, it would be nice to get them back. I was in the left lane pretty much the whole way out of DC in the non-HOV lanes. And the same for the HOV lanes. I was briefly in the outbound HOV's from 14th street to where they switch over at the Pentagon. The keys were in the left side of the tail so, they probably bounced out on the left. There are 5 keys and one car remote on a brass keyring that says "Class of 89". Anyone who finds them will have my eternal gratitude and a case of your favorite beer. Thanks. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:20:05 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:20:02 -0500 Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power if > you need it and you are not jerking all the time. Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and <10mph. But even then I use the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk around. Friction zone, you know... > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that makes it more difficult to maintain > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, especially 4 cyl. I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 RPM to 3000 RPM all the time and I have quieter cans than practically anything except maybe a full-blown tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas designated 25mph? You don't. > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below > I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My engine doesn't benefit from all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc might have (not up to speed on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 miles worth of humming. What do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in low gears? Buzzing around in 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. Especially > if you wear leather. One mile at a time, sister. What's a little sweat? I wear full gear both top and bottom. And the pants aren't even perf'ed. Warm? Sure. But if you want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the cage. > One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. This No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the proper driving solution to anything but extremely *RARE* situations where the only out is ahead. I see way too many riders diving in and out of way-too tight holes in response to perceived threats when hanging back would have been far safer. > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. Then may I suggest you use that little button on the left grip called a HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual disks on that front wheel. I've done plenty of driving and it is not that common to have cagers make unannounced excursions into one's lane of travel. If you were surprised by the move you probably weren't paying attention and missed the clues and purhaps didn't notice things like the car's own lane being blocked up ahead. And what were you doing positioning yourself so that the car couldn't come over without tagging your bike? Of course you left room in front of you so that if he did just happen to get into your lane he could do so without smacking you from the side. It's called space cushion. You keep a buffer around you so the prick in the car beside can act like a bozo and it still won't have a bad outcome. I don't know where so many MC riders get the notion that the proper 1st response to a threat is to gas it. Or why they think tailgating is so much fun. both are good ways to get yourself crunched. A MC gives you many more possibilities to escape because it is nimble and narrow. But unfortunately many riders don't utilize what they have. > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. Maybe. The 650lb MC+rider will have to be going 58mph to have the same kinetic energy as the aforementioned car but car braking systems do tend to do a better job than many MC riders. In completely open and risk mitigated environs, maintaining 25mph might need more inner restraint than most people exercise. But a congested city such as DC offers plenty of hazards that it is well within the ability of a MC rider to keep their throttle hand in check. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:20:31 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s To: "Wood, Sally" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know who > is who, especially > when there is a great turn-out, as there was on Tuesday > nite. I kept asking > those I did know "Who's that?! Who's that?!?!" I was > also, wondering if > any of the guys who post those surly messages on the list > (and you know who > you are) were in attendence. ;) sorry, but i was unable to attend, being en route back to hell from my honeymoon. the next time i attend a gathering, i'll be sure to wear my "List Asshole" shirt.... :) > Then, Chuck Pena declared: > > We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^) ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:31:11 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Genna, You might be on some thin ice with this one. Didn't you say you had a 916? I'm REAL doubtful that 3000 rpm sounds like 4000 rpm on your bike. I have a VTR (also a v-twin that peaks around 9,500 rpm) with stock pipes and even on mine the difference is very obvious. Also, comparing listening to your bike with talking on a cell phone is an argument that won't convince a lot of people on this list. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR --- Genna Melamed wrote: > If you have to listen to the bike or look at > speedo/tach it's the same > thing, you are NOT paying attention to the road. > It's the same as listening > to cell phone while you ride. Not to mention that > if you have STOCK/LEGAL > pipes you won't hear much difference in 3K or 4K > RPM, that's more then 10MPH > difference on most sport bikes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:32:26 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles I'll be too busy enjoying the topless beach and all the food/booze that is included with the all-inclusive package. :D Todd --- Chuck Pena wrote: > And the reason you can't ride from Cancun??? %^) > > Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > I would go, but I am going to be in Cancun. Let me > > know next time. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:36:09 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:15:54 -0400 Ah yes, shades of MSF classes and students obsessing about riding at 15 mph and not knowing their speed because the speedo is busted or gone. Has to be the number one FAQ on the range, bar none. After a while you can judge speed by feel and sound. On my street 25 mph is plenty fast enough and the potholes and utility cuts will give you an extra reminder if the engine revs in second gear and exhaust note should prove insufficient. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: William J. Huson > I've done it - no problem, on a variety of bikes, one being a frisky Yamahonker > sport bike. Perhaps having a good *ear* for what the engine is doing helps. A > few weeks on any bike and I can ear-guess the RPM very close, and RPM translates > into speed in any given gear. Practice practice practice, you'll get it. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:36:11 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Genna Melamed" , "Gaske David G DLVA" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:39:19 -0400 From: Genna Melamed To: Gaske David G DLVA ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > you missed the point. > And I think you've missed several points about riding in heavy city traffic. > > on the sport bike, while it is possible to keep just about any speeds you > want it is not natural and often not easy. 35-40 is usually the point where > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power if > you need it and you are not jerking all the time. Perhaps our riding styles are different, but I find there's no sin in revving up my VFR in heavy traffic and staying in first and second. That way all I do is roll off for lots of engine brake and the bike slows in a hurry. It's very easy to modulate my speed with the throttle only and get on the brakes only for quicker stop. Keep it about 5K (in first at about 20; 27 in second; 35 in third) and you can still roll on in the power band (at least on a VFR) or even downshift if I really need to haul ass for whatever reason. > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below > that. > I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. Please > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. Especially > if you wear leather. Then don't ride in the city. Cops should give MCs a free pass 'cuz it's hot? > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. This > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. I'm wondering how you accelerate from a full stop then? Downshift, accelerate. Call me crazy but sportbikes can accelerate hard from a dead stop. > > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. Sure you can stop, but you'll get a Chevy enema from the cab behind you. Not sure what the point here is. You get to go faster because you can stop shorter? Just my thoughts, YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:38:41 2001 From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Bike Night I.D.s Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:30:10 -0400 Clearly, matrimony has mellowed you not! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM To: Wood, Sally; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know who > is who, especially > when there is a great turn-out, as there was on Tuesday > nite. I kept asking > those I did know "Who's that?! Who's that?!?!" I was > also, wondering if > any of the guys who post those surly messages on the list > (and you know who > you are) were in attendence. ;) sorry, but i was unable to attend, being en route back to hell from my honeymoon. the next time i attend a gathering, i'll be sure to wear my "List Asshole" shirt.... :) > Then, Chuck Pena declared: > > We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^) ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:47:41 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:47:34 -0400 The point I was making Sis that there is no traffic jam. In traffic jams there is no choice(other then splitting lanes and that is all together different topic). And yes I do ride 10,15,20 whatever I have to not to hit cars in front of me. But this requires a lot of clutch work. I'd rather not do it if I can help it I don't care what kind of bike you have, if you are in second gear at 25mph you are very near your idle(or at least very far below your torque peak). At that point there is no power available to you if you need it NOW. In fact you will still be below your available power on most sports bike if you downshift to 1st. It is possible to ride like that, but not safe or smart(for the bike's sake) for long periods of time. Many FI sports bikes will have trouble even providing normal mixture to engine at such low RPM/throttle inputs. GSXRs and Ducs come to mind. Hence you will have to use clutch all the time. MSF teaches you control of bike at slow speed. I don't have any problems with it. All that is very useful and applies in many cases. But it has nothing to do with this conversation. Quite frankly, I dare anyone here to say that they routinely ride/drive at 25 MPH on streets when traffic permits higher speeds. Occasionally, yes, in some places, always. routinely, I doubt it. Not to mention that it is plainly stupid and dangerous to ride at 25 when most cars around you go 40-45. All this is made worse by 916, but my old VTR, F2 and other bikes I've ridden(929,R6,R1,GSXRs, Mille......) were similar. If you have never ridden 916/748/996, try it, you will be amazed how difficult and HOT to ride that bike slow. As I said, new bikes are getting more and more peaky(I4 anyway). They are made to go faster and faster at expense of being able to ride slow comfortably Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: "Genna Melamed" ; "D.C.Cycles-L" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Genna, > Just go up a gear in traffic like that, especially if you've got a > "peaky" bike. Cruising in second keeps the RPM's down, where you can practically > crawl. Riding slow, safely, is an important factor in street riding. You might > want to sign up for an intermediate rider course with the Motorcycle Safety > Foundation. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > National Marketing Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club USA > 142 Circle Road > Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 > http://www.soc-usa.org > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William J. Huson" > > To: "Genna Melamed" > > Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" > > ; > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed > > from > > > crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up > > and take > > > the Metro. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort > > of > > > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You > > can > > > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i > > think > > > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > '97 916 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > > > opinion, > > > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph > > limit > > > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > > > vehicle > > > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight > > lines > > > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > > reasonable. > > > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of > > us > > > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if > > DC is > > > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a > > narrow > > > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > > > from > > > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > > > morning > > > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said > > that > > > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their > > neighborhoods. > > > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > > > 95 VFR750F > > > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > > > application > > > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian > > implications > > > > > of > > > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > > > philosophy > > > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > > > benefits > > > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from > > behin