From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 10:06:28 2001 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Making my mark at VIR Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:05:28 -0400 Glad you're relatively unscathed. As I have a set of Vanson's myself, I curious about the damage. Did you have the armor in the knee? LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner Thad B Groghan said: Well this weekend has already proven to be very interesting... (major snippage) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 15:57:20 2001 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch To: Lori Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm jus tdown the street in Bethesda. Shady Grove wouldn't be a problem. Tom Knapik --- Lori Wilson wrote: > I ride to work every day, rain or shine so I'm SURE > I'll be riding to work > on July 18th. I work in Frederick, though so a ride > to lunch in DC isn't an > option. Shady Grove isn't too far though- how many > people would be in for > lunch in the Shady Grove area?? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 20:37:20 2001 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:37:15 -0400 From: dmeyer@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Get on I-395 HOV southbound? X-Newsgroups: local.dc-cycles In article <200106291013.AA82313650@XXXXXX> you write: > Hi, I'd like to get on the I-395 HOV southbound this afternoon, and was > wondering were I could do that in Arlington. > > I seem to recall the the exit off of 110 south to 395, Washington Blvd, > and Columbia Pike will let me get on the HOV, but I'm not sure. The > penalty for missing a ramp is to ride in the non-HOV all the way to the > Springfield Mixing Bowl (gag). > > Anyone confirm I can get onto the HOV lanes from there? Yes - 110 south to 395 south will let you onto the HOV lanes, but be quick about getting left because you don't have much space between the onramp and the HOV entrance. Another route is to take 50 east to the Memorial Bridge/GW Parkway exit. Take the parkway for about 1/2 a mile and there's a "27/to 395" exit - bear right and it'll take you to 27. Again, you'll need to move pretty quickly to get to the HOV entrance on the left. The nice part about this route is that if you're coming from a bit farther west you don't have to take 66 to get to 110 south. -- Dave Meyer dmeyer@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 21:51:49 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dccycles2" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Cruiser need a tach! Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:51:09 -0400 I installed my Drag Specialties Tach today. Looks pretty stock. Very simple to install. http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/drag-3.jpg http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/drag-4.jpg http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/drag-1.jpg My Garage is getting a little full :-) http://www.tl1000.com/shadow/fullgar.jpg Gary Foreman mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX 2001 Shadow Sabre 1999 TL1000R 1985 FJ1100 (For Sale) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 22:04:49 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:06:48 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles CC: Adam Reinhardt Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s Adam, The flat-black FZR was indeed mine. But I think you may have seen Jay Goddard swinging a leg over it. I don't have goatee. And I wasn't in Bethesda on Thursday night. At least that's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Chuck Adam Reinhardt wrote: > > I was at bike night as well. I saw a guy with short > hair and a goatee talking with who must been Chuck > Pena being as he was sitting on the much written about > flat-black FZR. Saw the same guy in a Ford Escort on > Montrose Road in Bethesda on Thurs night eyeing the > 2000 GSXR 750 with the high mounted Mig exhaust and > euro tail I was riding behind (my ride being a F1, > also present were a Katana and YZF 750). Just > wondering who you are! > > Adam Reinhardt > > 89 CBR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 22:10:36 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:12:37 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night Just to let y'all know that I've updated the Bike Night page with what I hope is the most up-to-date info about the various "Ride to Lunch" locations. For those establishments that have web pages (that I know about), there are links (if you need exact location, directions, phone number, etc.) There are also email links to each person who is nominally "responsible". Niv and Matthew - Please let me know if your ideas are still just suggestions or whether they're "real". Anyone want to put together another ride to lunch locations in Northern Virginia a little "further out" (e.g., Reston)? Grevey's is probably relatively convenient for those in Arlington, Falls Church, and Tysons Corner (maybe Alexandria too). But certainly it's not central for all those who work in Northern Virginia and want to ride to lunch and meet other m/c-ists. And don't forget that there's another Bike Night on Tuesday, July 17th at Grevey's in Falls Church. Mark is working on getting a date for another Bike Night in July at CarPool. Keep checking the web page http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 22:55:17 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 22:54:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 929 for $7999? Picked this up on the VFR list : >Got my VFR back yesterday. Like new condition again! Shweet. On the way >back from picking it up I stopped by the local dealer and was totally >shocked. When did honda knock $2k off the 929? They had 3 2001 samples >all marked at $7999. I knew the GSXR1000 and R1 were still outselling >it, but I had no idea Honda was "blowing" them out. Talked to the wife, >and we came up with a plan to get the 929 that she was cool with. Now I >just gotta decide if I wanna take the path more squidly. Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 23:01:23 2001 Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:00:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: It had to happen sooner or later Watch out DC speeders.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6255-2001Jul1.html "After a year-long delay, D.C. police are scheduled to announce today the use of radar cameras to capture motorists who race through city streets, the latest effort by local officials to use technology to control traffic scofflaws." ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 1 23:02:32 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 23:01:52 -0400 Quite possible. Tri Co. Honda has them listed for $8195. That's the Out-The-Door price. Taxes are paid in your home state of course. http://www.citlink.net/citlink/r/romneycyclecenter/tri_county_honda.htm Gary -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 10:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 929 for $7999? Picked this up on the VFR list : >Got my VFR back yesterday. Like new condition again! Shweet. On the way >back from picking it up I stopped by the local dealer and was totally >shocked. When did honda knock $2k off the 929? They had 3 2001 samples >all marked at $7999. I knew the GSXR1000 and R1 were still outselling >it, but I had no idea Honda was "blowing" them out. Talked to the wife, >and we came up with a plan to get the 929 that she was cool with. Now I >just gotta decide if I wanna take the path more squidly. Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 07:19:45 2001 From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:21:20 -0400 Watch out DC speeders.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6255-2001Jul1.html "After a year-long delay, D.C. police are scheduled to announce today the use of radar cameras ... Do a net search on photo radar & you'll eventually come to the place that sells the license plate shields that allegedly protect you from revenue generating schemes like this. I think my neighbor has one on his truck.... I was noticing how his plate is only viewable from almost directly... YET another reason why DC doesn't deserve statehood or any money out of any motorists pockets. Don't even buy from businesses based in DC. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 07:36:09 2001 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 07:36:03 EDT Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'd say this is good evidence that the 929 replacement will be announced soon. They'll have trouble selling the old ones if they come out will the super mack daddy of all CBRs. Also, I noticed you posted to "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" wasn't the list switched over to dc-cycles@XXXXXX about a year and a half ago? Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 08:26:33 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: License Plate Shields (was RE: It had to happen) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I saw a local news "expose" a few months ago that dispelled the idea that those things work. I don't know if it's true or not, becuase they seemed to be working awfully closely with one of the local police dept.s to do the report. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR > come to the place > that sells the license plate shields that allegedly > protect you from > revenue generating schemes like this. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 08:44:30 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night To: DC Cycles OK folks- We need a head count for the Fingers and Claws Ride to Lunch on July 18th for Chuck. F & C is in the Muddy Branch Shopping Center on Muddy Branch Road. The nearest major cross street is Great Seneca Highway. The restaurant is in a shopping center, so there is plenty of parking. It's about 15 minutes from Bethesda as it's right off the 370 exit off 270. I can't find a web site, even on Wash Post.com. Anyway, it is a neat little place that sells good sandwiches and other tasy treats. Please let us know if your interested. If there is no response, we'll bag it. Thanks!! Matt --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Just to let y'all know that I've updated the Bike > Night page with what I > hope is the most up-to-date info about the various > "Ride to Lunch" > locations. For those establishments that have web > pages (that I know > about), there are links (if you need exact location, > directions, phone > number, etc.) There are also email links to each > person who is > nominally "responsible". > > Niv and Matthew - Please let me know if your ideas > are still just > suggestions or whether they're "real". > > Anyone want to put together another ride to lunch > locations in Northern > Virginia a little "further out" (e.g., Reston)? > Grevey's is probably > relatively convenient for those in Arlington, Falls > Church, and Tysons > Corner (maybe Alexandria too). But certainly it's > not central for all > those who work in Northern Virginia and want to ride > to lunch and meet > other m/c-ists. > > And don't forget that there's another Bike Night on > Tuesday, July 17th > at Grevey's in Falls Church. Mark is working on > getting a date for > another Bike Night in July at CarPool. Keep > checking the web page > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 09:16:33 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "Dave Yates" , "'Troutman'" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:16:17 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Dave Yates wrote: > Do a net search on photo radar & you'll eventually come to the place > that sells the license plate shields that allegedly protect you from > revenue generating schemes like this. I think my neighbor has one on > his truck.... I was noticing how his plate is only viewable from almost > directly... Actually, there was a story on one of those 10pm "news" shows (48 hours, dateline... one of them) where they showed that none of those things worked. The software that they pull up the photos from the cameras allows them to clean up the image to where the license is clearly visable through any of the various "guards". Now... whether the show was biased for the benefit of the police, I have no idea. > YET another reason why DC doesn't deserve statehood or any money out > of any motorists pockets. Don't even buy from businesses based in DC. While I tend to think speed limits on highways are a bit low... am I missing something here? Should we also boycott stores that use security cameras to catch people shoplifting? The law says you can't go above the posted limit. If you do, you're breaking the law. I actually think speed limit cameras may be the BEST way to get speed limits raised in the US... start hitting people in the wallet and suddenly they're going to get pissed and actually make some noise about limits being too low. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 09:44:52 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 06:38:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Troutman wrote: > Picked this up on the VFR list : > > >Got my VFR back yesterday. Like new condition again! > Shweet. On the way > >back from picking it up I stopped by the local dealer > and was totally > >shocked. When did honda knock $2k off the 929? They had > 3 2001 samples > >all marked at $7999. I knew the GSXR1000 and R1 were > still outselling > >it, but I had no idea Honda was "blowing" them out. > Talked to the wife, > >and we came up with a plan to get the 929 that she was > cool with. Now I > >just gotta decide if I wanna take the path more > squidly. > > Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... only if the dealer is loudoun motorsports. note: when you arrive ready to buy, the price will suddenly return to $9999. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 09:59:52 2001 From: "kkightly" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/01 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:58:10 -0400 Some time in the recent past I have read of someone offering travel and guide information about touring in the Blue Ridge. I will be able to get a few days soon and was wondering if anyone had tour information in and around Ashville NC. Thanks! Kurt (a wee bit of a skulker here) 95 Kawi Concours From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 10:14:33 2001 From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:14:24 -0400 I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden application of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications of constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and philosophy that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the benefits of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind or in front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license plate. :) Cedric While I tend to think speed limits on highways are a bit low... am I missing something here? Should we also boycott stores that use security cameras to catch people shoplifting? The law says you can't go above the posted limit. If you do, you're breaking the law. I actually think speed limit cameras may be the BEST way to get speed limits raised in the US... start hitting people in the wallet and suddenly they're going to get pissed and actually make some noise about limits being too low. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 10:57:38 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 10:50:44 -0400 Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my opinion, speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of vehicle types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not from suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their morning drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. Things must be looking up if that's the case. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Cedric Bernescut > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden application > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications of > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and philosophy > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the benefits > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind or in > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license plate. :) > > Cedric From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 11:36:28 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:37:02 -0400 From: To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: License Plate Shields (was It had to happen) > I saw a local news "expose" a few months ago that > dispelled the idea that those things work. I don't > know if it's true or not, becuase they seemed to be > working awfully closely with one of the local police > dept.s to do the report. Should be easy enough to test, they're supposed to reflect the flash back at the camera, effectively showing it a blank plate.... Dave Yates -- Pop3Now Personal, Manage 5 Email Accounts From 1 Secure Window Sign Up Today! Visit http://www.pop3now.com/personal From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 11:45:29 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 11:45:16 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later To: >A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind >or in >front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, >there is going to be a >surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the >rear license plate. :) > >Cedric Some Brits found an innovative way to deal with their 'GATSO' speed enforcement cameras. The photo is taken from behind, and apparently doing a wheelie conveniently obscured the license plate. No visible plate = no ticket in the mail. -Euan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 11:49:46 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 11:49:30 EDT Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: Whetu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Some Brits found an innovative way to deal with their > 'GATSO' speed enforcement cameras. The photo is taken > from behind, and apparently doing a wheelie > conveniently obscured the license plate. No visible > plate = no ticket in the mail. Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the rear tailsection. A cop right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but a camera high up shouldn't have the angle. Just a thought... Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:03:46 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: License Plate Shields (was It had to happen) To: sdave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Not as easy as you might think. The example they gave on the telecast was that in those instances where there is a lot of reflection, they can still get the plate numbers with image manipulation (negatives, isolating color channels, etc.). Chris Weaver VTR, YSR --- sdave@XXXXXX wrote: > Should be easy enough to test, they're supposed to > reflect the > flash back at the camera, effectively showing it a > blank > plate.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:06:07 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:06:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, Whetu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Just make sure the plate is illuminated. As I recall, that's part of the law. As usual, I'm too lazy to look up the actual code online. One of the list's nitpickers can do that for me. ;^) Chris Weaver VTR, YSR --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the rear > tailsection. A cop > right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but a > camera high up shouldn't > have the angle. Just a thought... > > Keener __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:11:17 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:15:30 -0400 This won't work in this case. The DC cameras are going to be mounted at ground level in unmarked police cruisers. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: > > > Some Brits found an innovative way to deal with their > > 'GATSO' speed enforcement cameras. The photo is taken > > from behind, and apparently doing a wheelie > > conveniently obscured the license plate. No visible > > plate = no ticket in the mail. > > Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the rear tailsection. A cop > right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but a camera high up shouldn't > have the angle. Just a thought... > > Keener > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:13:57 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:13:52 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Get on I-395 HOV southbound? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chuck Pena >I'm not sure if the route you're proposing will work (it might). But >for sure this one will (from Arlington): > >- GW Parkway towards Natl Airport >- Exit for Pentagon (south parking?), I-395 south, Columbia Pike (it >might not say this) -- this is not too far after going past Memorial >Bridge >- Move to the far left lane and you'll be heading for the HOV lanes Thanks, Chuck, and everyone else. I ended up using Louis' route down Washington Blvd to the Pentagon ramps. Worked well except for that very last turn where they don't tell you which way is North and which way is South! thx Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:17:45 2001 Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:17:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Ride on July 4th? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Is anyone on the list interested in a group ride on Wednesday, July 4th? We could do either a "standard" ride or maybe one that has stops at one or two of the area historic attractions since it'll be our nation's birthday. (maybe Mount Vernon, Fort Ward, something like that) Anyone have ideas they'd like to share? Hopefully it would be local and not be too long a ride, since a lot of folks will have BBQs and parties to attend during midday. I'd be willing to lead the ride if it goes somewhere I'm familiar with. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:19:59 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:19:52 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Cedric Bernescut wrote: > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden application > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications of > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > philosophy that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values > the benefits of citizenship. But there's the problem. Our society has started thinking "It's ok to do things as long as no one is watching" or by rationalizing that the rules somehow don't apply to them. These were also not the values and philosophies that founded this nation. I think I am safe in saying that *everyone* on this list has broken, or regularly breaks traffic laws (If not, I sincerely apologize). This includes myself. Be it speeding, splitting lanes on a bike, making a rolling stop at a stop sign, etc. Beyond this list, I'd say there are FEW people not guilty of these transgressions. Why? Why do we think it's ok to break traffic laws? Why don't the millions of motorists in the US get the laws changed if none of us believe they are correct? - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:26:21 2001 From: Brian Roach To: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:26:01 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Paul Wilson wrote: > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > opinion, speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 > mph limit on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix > of vehicle types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor > sight lines etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > reasonable. I'm with Paul on this one... having lived downtown before, I can say that the speed limits are more than reasonable and that speeders pose a real danger. The cameras may seem extreme, but what other recourse do you have when people simply won't obey the laws? Much like the red-light cameras people bitch about... umm... I happen to think stopping at red lights is a rather good thing to do, and am REALLY happy they installed the things here in Alexandria where the problem is completely out of hand. The intersection by my house that has a camera got 10x better after they installed it... it was scary-dangerous before that - you needed to wait after your side turned green to make sure you wouldn't get t-boned. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:46:04 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 12:50:06 -0400 Speeding drivers do cause great harm in DC. A couple of high-profile pedestrian fatalities come to mind. On the lesser end of the scale we had a speeder on our street lose control and plow into two parked cars on Friday night, right in front of our house, damn near taking out my bike too for good measure. Luckily a parked Ford Expedition has great impact absorption properties and bore most of the impact from the car. A couple of neighbors stood by and wouldn't let the driver leave until the cops came. Alcohol may have been a factor. Judging from the antics I see every day most drivers have little fear of law enforcement when it comes to traffic offenses in DC, with predictable results. Sadly, a certain segment of the population, in the absence of coercion, will do whatever they want regardless of the consequences to themselves or other road users. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Roach > > The cameras may seem extreme, but what other recourse do you have when people > simply won't obey the laws? Much like the red-light cameras people bitch > about... umm... I happen to think stopping at red lights is a rather good > thing to do, and am REALLY happy they installed the things here in Alexandria > where the problem is completely out of hand. The intersection by my house > that has a camera got 10x better after they installed it... it was > scary-dangerous before that - you needed to wait after your side turned green > to make sure you wouldn't get t-boned. > > - Roach > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:49:13 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:49:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later At 12:26 PM 7/2/01, Brian Roach wrote: >I'm with Paul on this one... having lived downtown before, I can say that the >speed limits are more than reasonable and that speeders pose a real danger. > >The cameras may seem extreme, but what other recourse do you have when people >simply won't obey the laws? Much like the red-light cameras people bitch >about... umm... I happen to think stopping at red lights is a rather good >thing to do, and am REALLY happy they installed the things here in Alexandria >where the problem is completely out of hand. The intersection by my house >that has a camera got 10x better after they installed it... it was >scary-dangerous before that - you needed to wait after your side turned green >to make sure you wouldn't get t-boned. OK - here is my issue with automated law enforcement. A camera offers no discretion. On the bike, I have had to blow several red lights thanks to faulty trigger mechanisms. People have been caught on red-light cameras during funeral processions and when semi trucks were blocking view of the overhead light (I can tell you all about that one). Take this a step further into radar enforcement and combine it with the DC court system for fighting traffic tickets. I shudder to think what the financially strapped district is going to do with this cash cow. Stuff like this starts with good intentions, but look forward a few years. Beltway radar cameras. 66 radar cameras. 55 cameras! Ugh! You can say 'limited trial' or 'specialized utilization' all you want. It won't stay that way for long. The NMA has been studying red-light cameras and intersection accident statistics. Red Light runners are not as statistically significant as the media hype would lead you to believe. Think about that - and the artificially low speed limits on many of our roads. Crush this before it begins. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 12:52:36 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 12:52:26 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Pedos At 12:50 PM 7/2/01, Paul Wilson wrote: >A couple of high-profile >pedestrian fatalities come to mind. You know - every time I ride in the city, I have people step out in front of me - not in a crosswalk, between parked cars, etc. My inclination is that this rash of pedestrian hits we have had over the last year are probably caused more by peds than by vehicles. That being said, if you do hit someone, never run. Unless you already have a body in the trunk or something. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 13:11:23 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:14:16 -0400 I agree with your assessment of speed cameras, especially in the adjudication of contested tickets. Let's have better enforcement by other means, but that means many roads get no enforcement at all and drivers know it. Here's a case in point: Kenilworth Ave., the 295/BW Pkwy. connector in DC, a crappy piece of road if there ever was one. There are no shoulders or very narrow shoulders and jersey barriers tight against the travel lanes, six lanes wide. Consequently, there is no way to ticket speeders unless an officer clocks or paces them on the move and then somehow gets them to pull off at an exit ramp. So there's no enforcement and drivers rocket through there at 75+, changing lanes with abandon, the whole nine yards. It's one of the scariest places to ride in this area, especially at night, and the scene of many deadly accidents. Again, I don't advocate automated enforcement, perhaps junk cruisers and mannequins would do the trick. Speed cameras are a law enforcement tool of last resort. That was the rationale behind the cameras on the GW Pkwy. at least. The Park Police claim they can't do adequate enforcement due to the design of the road itself. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Troutman > > OK - here is my issue with automated law enforcement. A camera offers no > discretion. ... > > The NMA has been studying red-light cameras and intersection accident > statistics. Red Light runners are not as statistically significant as the > media hype would lead you to believe. Think about that - and the > artificially low speed limits on many of our roads. Crush this before it > begins. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 15:06:25 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 14:54:45 -0400 Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it cheaper than that. Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, BTW! Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 15:18:26 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Rob Keiser" , Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:14:53 -0400 You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden costs! -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it cheaper than that. Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, BTW! Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 15:39:57 2001 From: dan.snyder@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 15:39:46 -0400 To: "Gary Foreman" Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Cc: "Rob Keiser" , A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. Might make the trip meself. :-) At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden >costs! > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it >cheaper than that. > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, >BTW! > >Just an FYI. > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 17:21:41 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 17:19:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Ride on July 4th? At 12:17 PM 7/2/01, you wrote: >Is anyone on the list interested in a group ride on >Wednesday, July 4th? We could do either a "standard" >ride or maybe one that has stops at one or two of the >area historic attractions since it'll be our nation's >birthday. (maybe Mount Vernon, Fort Ward, something >like that) Man, if you'd consider riding near Mount Vernon on July 4th, you're a braver man than I, Gunga Din. Or you have a much lighter clutch lever. 8;) -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 17:28:29 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:28:15 EDT Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2001 11:00:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > may see some positive benefits if DC is > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" The problem is that anything will still go. In the end this will be nothing more than an excuse to have fewer cops out _Patrolling_, looking for the things that are truly dangerous. Now they can just sit in the donut shop and tally tickets. And _Please_ do not tell me people will rebel, most of these morons want to be "protected" from their own stupidity. AKA. "I am glad they passed a seat belt law, because seat belts are good, and now I will wear mine." Seen on a newscast just after the state I was living in passed a seat belt law. I still want to slap that stupid woman even after all these years. (I should never answer these thing right after a ride.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 17:38:35 2001 From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:38:21 EDT Subject: Re: Get on I-395 HOV southbound? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2001 12:15:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Worked well except for that very last turn where they don't tell you which > way is North and which way is South! I always thought that having a compass on a bike was stupid... Then I moved here. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 18:47:10 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 18:47:22 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Speaking of Speed Limits... ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes on I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo hoo! Jim '00 Monster 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 18:54:12 2001 From: Brian Roach To: Jim Shoemaker , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Speed Limits... Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:54:07 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Jim Shoemaker wrote: > ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes > on I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo > hoo! They have signs up or something? Is it only during HOV restriction hours? Inquiring minds would like to know more! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 19:06:03 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:06:15 -0400 From: Jim Shoemaker CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of Speed Limits... I saw only one sign half hidden (so the non-HOV traffic wouldn't see it, I guess) as I entered the HOVs at the Pentagon. Also, I *just* saw the new speed limits mentioned on the news. They said 65 mph all the time, not just during HOV restrictions. They didn't say anything about I-66 though --Jim Brian Roach wrote: > On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Jim Shoemaker wrote: > > ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes > > on I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo > > hoo! > > They have signs up or something? Is it only during HOV restriction hours? > Inquiring minds would like to know more! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 19:39:33 2001 Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 19:41:16 -0400 From: Larry Meyer To: DC Cycles List Subject: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? All, >From the Bandit list. This is not a good thing. Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 >>FOX Network has purchased Speedvision, and reportedly plans to >>turn it into an all NASCAR network, dropping the coverage of boats, >>planes,motorcycles and other car racing and information programs. >> >>I have just read and signed the online petition: >> >> "Speedvision & NASCAR programming" >> >>hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition >>service, at: >> >> http://www.PetitionOnline.com/svsn/ >> >>I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might >>agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and >>consider signing yourself. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 19:48:32 2001 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 19:48:09 EDT Subject: Re: Speaking of Speed Limits... To: shoe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --part1_113.11d8061.28726239_boundary In a message dated 7/2/2001 6:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shoe@XXXXXX writes: > ...Which some were in another thread -- I noticed today that the HOV lanes > on > I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon. Woo hoo! > > > Jim > '00 Monster 750 > Yep. They were out changing the signs Saturday morning. It's not just the HOV's. It's all lanes in and out. Nice gesture. Too bad everyone does 90 anyway. ;-) ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_113.11d8061.28726239_boundary In a message dated 7/2/2001 6:48:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shoe@XXXXXX
writes:


...Which some were in another thread --  I noticed today that the HOV lanes
on
I-95 & I-395 in VA are now 65 mph until you get to the Pentagon.  Woo hoo!


Jim
'00 Monster 750


Yep.  They were out changing the signs Saturday morning.  It's not just the
HOV's.  It's all lanes in and out.  Nice gesture.  Too bad everyone does 90
anyway.  ;-)

ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_113.11d8061.28726239_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 20:19:52 2001 From: Brian Roach To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 20:19:48 -0400 On Mon, 02 Jul 2001, Larry Meyer wrote: > >From the Bandit list. This is not a good thing. > >>FOX Network has purchased Speedvision, and reportedly plans to > >>turn it into an all NASCAR network, dropping the coverage of boats, > >>planes,motorcycles and other car racing and information programs. Before everyone goes off... this is old rumor, and a bad one at that. FOX has always had a controlling interest in SpeedVision, since 1998. They have finally decied to fully aquire it, and have been running day-to-day operations since April. Will it mean some NASCAR programming on speedvision? Maybe... maybe not. Seems to me they would have done it by now if they'd wanted to. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:05:49 2001 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: honda 900rr Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:11:46 -0400 I am searching for a used 900rr with low miles. I want to get a newer one. Anyone know any info on these bikes, if they are reliable? I cant find very much information on them. I have decided to go with a honda. Its either the 900rr, 929, blackbird. But i believe the 900rr has been out longer, and i am really looking for a bike that has everythhing sorted out. The 929 seems pretty new as of yet. Anyone out there with a 900rr. Is there something i should know about these bikes, i have been told to avoid the newer ones from 91-93. Im looking for one in the 98 year range. Anyone know of a shop with one for sale (used)? Ricardo Pontes 98 tiger From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:31:08 2001 From: "Keith Lamond" Cc: Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:43:28 -0400 After seeing the first response mentioning Romney Cycles, I called them up to see what type of a deal would they cut me on an SV650. I couldn't believe the price he quoted me. I then asked how much was dealer prep and so on, and he told me that the price he quoted was for everything. I think I found where I'm getting my bike. Keith Dead Nighthawk S Borrowed (from wife) Magna V30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: "Rob Keiser" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? > A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. > Might make the trip meself. > :-) > > At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: > >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new > >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden > >costs! > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > > > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it > >cheaper than that. > > > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new > >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just > >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal > >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he > >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > > > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go > >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, > >BTW! > > > >Just an FYI. > > > >Rob > >'98 VFR800 > > > > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:45:51 2001 From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? or less Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 21:45:40 -0400 I tell you, this guy is no BS. Just beware of the WV temp tag. IT'S HUGE!!! Will cost you at least 5 mph!!! LOL Get the bike, you won't be sorry! There was a red SV650S going out the same time we hit the road. He's there to move bikes. Rob '98 VFR800 PS. Absolutely no affiliation. YMMV, yadda yadda yadda Just like to spread good news. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith Lamond" CC: Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:43:28 -0400 After seeing the first response mentioning Romney Cycles, I called them up to see what type of a deal would they cut me on an SV650. I couldn't believe the price he quoted me. I then asked how much was dealer prep and so on, and he told me that the price he quoted was for everything. I think I found where I'm getting my bike. Keith Dead Nighthawk S Borrowed (from wife) Magna V30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: "Rob Keiser" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? > A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. > Might make the trip meself. > :-) > > At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: > >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new > >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden > >costs! > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > > > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it > >cheaper than that. > > > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new > >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just > >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal > >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he > >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > > > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go > >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, > >BTW! > > > >Just an FYI. > > > >Rob > >'98 VFR800 > > > > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 21:51:11 2001 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Rob Keiser" , Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? or less Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:50:51 -0400 Yeah Rob. I had the title when I left and went right to VA DMV and got my tags. That sucker is HUGE! -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 9:46 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? or less I tell you, this guy is no BS. Just beware of the WV temp tag. IT'S HUGE!!! Will cost you at least 5 mph!!! LOL Get the bike, you won't be sorry! There was a red SV650S going out the same time we hit the road. He's there to move bikes. Rob '98 VFR800 PS. Absolutely no affiliation. YMMV, yadda yadda yadda Just like to spread good news. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith Lamond" CC: Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 21:43:28 -0400 After seeing the first response mentioning Romney Cycles, I called them up to see what type of a deal would they cut me on an SV650. I couldn't believe the price he quoted me. I then asked how much was dealer prep and so on, and he told me that the price he quoted was for everything. I think I found where I'm getting my bike. Keith Dead Nighthawk S Borrowed (from wife) Magna V30 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Gary Foreman" Cc: "Rob Keiser" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? > A 929 under $8K is a bargain even if we'll get the 1000RR soon. > Might make the trip meself. > :-) > > At 15:14 -0400 7/2/01, Gary Foreman wrote: > >You said it Rob! Kevin is excellent to deal with. Just picked up my new > >Sabre from the Petersburg shop. Got my TL1000R from him also. No hidden > >costs! > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] > >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:55 PM > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Subject: Re: 929 for $7999? > > > > > >Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it > >cheaper than that. > > > >Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new > >SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just > >aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal > >special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he > >also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. > > > >Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go > >when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, > >BTW! > > > >Just an FYI. > > > >Rob > >'98 VFR800 > > > > > >Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... > > > > > >_____________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > mike@XXXXXX > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 2 22:08:31 2001 From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: 929's on the cheap... Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 22:08:09 -0400 Hey, I know Twigg Cycles (Hagerstown, just off of dual highway) had brand spanking 929's for either $8199 or $8299, can't remember which. The Erion version was still $1000 more. Thru the grapevine I hear the dealer in Romney, WV (can't remember which of the big four they sell) is *THE* place to buy bikes in or around the end of the model year. Seems every year they get too many and every year have a fire sale beginning right about this time. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:04:27 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:02:25 -0400 From: "Scott Luttrell" To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again This link is to an article about a rise in motorcycle related deaths Click here: 07/03: AOL News: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:05:22 2001 From: Erik Schelzig To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Sights and Farewells Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:00:18 -0400 Three things on a Tuesday morning: 1.) Walking up Connecticut Ave. towards Dupont Circle yesterday, I spotted a scantily clad couple aboard a dual sport bike: The were both wearing full-face helmets, but that was close to it. He had no shirt on, shorts, and Teva-style slippers. She had a tanktop, short-shorts, and slippers. Neither, of course, was wearing gloves. I could only imagine the ensuing carnage if they took a dive off that bike. 2.) Also walking around town this morning, and noticed a number of bikes parked up on the sidewalks. They were mostly recesses sidewalks (i.e. wider than most normal sidewalks). I saw at least three such bikes this morning. Does this signal a greater acceptance on the part of D.C. authorities of bikes being parked up and off the street? 3.) After a good number of years (at least 4!) on the DC-Cycles list, I am signing off soon to embark on my year-long trip to Germany. I'm bringing my bike, so that's the good news. Upon returning, though, it'll be off to Florida, so I will not be returning to the list. I think everybody for the great time, the good (and bad) information, and for everyone's patience about my promoting my articles in the Washington Post and the Motorcycle Consumer News. I've bought and sold all sorts of motorcycles, parts, and accessories through this list, and it's been a great sounding board through the years. All the best! Erik 01 KLR650 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:34:09 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:33:53 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again This appears to merely indicate that groups with more people have more wreckes. According to the AMA: " Between 1990 and 1999, according to statistics provided to the AMA by NHTSA, the mean age of fatally injured motorcyclists rose from 29.3 years to 36.5 years. During the same period, the mean age of motorcycle owners rose from 26.9 years to 38.1 years. " http://www.amadirectlink.com/legisltn/releases/g01021.html Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Scott Luttrell" Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:02:25 -0400 >This link is to an article about a rise in motorcycle related deaths >Click here: 07/03: AOL >News: NHTSA: Motorcycle Deaths Rise Again > > >Scott Luttrell >Fast & Wily Racing >www.fastandwily.com > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 08:41:19 2001 From: "Jim Caldwell" To: , Subject: Asheville/Smoky Mtns. Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:40:47 -0400 Here's a great link from a local guy that describes the good roads in the area. http://www.valkyrieriders.com/smokeymt.htm From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 09:04:33 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 09:04:12 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? To: >From an interview with Fox Exec.: "Fox Cable CEO Jeff Shell said plans for additional NASCAR programming on Speedvision were still in the works, with Fox Sports chairman David Hill "taking a real hard look at it." While additional NASCAR programming will find its way onto Speedvision, Shell said, that will not come at the expense of its popular existing features. "The goal will be to retain everything that has worked for the channel so far," Shell said. "There's a lot of very strong programming with hardcore passionate fans, whether its motocross or F-1 [Formula One racing], those things will absolutely stay."" __________________________ Yes, there will probably be NASCAR on Speedvision. Whether it 'replaces' motorcycle racing or not is yet to be seen. -Euan From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 10:14:22 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 07:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: News Flash: AMA has a new Racing Cheif To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Mathers New Operations Manager at AMA Pro by dean adams It's been rumored all morning that there was a monumental press release coming from AMA Pro Racing regarding a shuffling of positions. It just came across the wire. Here's the release: "AMA Pro Racing announced today the addition of Gary Mathers in the capacity of Operations Manager for the AMA Chevy Trucks U.S. Superbike Championship. In this role, Mathers' responsibilities will encompass the planning, budgeting and field operations for all AMA Pro Racing road-race events. More specifically, the Operations Manager attends each event, and directs the activities of all AMA operations staff, including full-time, part-time and volunteer staff, plus local labor hired for the event. Mathers' responsibilities also include interfacing with racing teams, track operators and promoters to ensure the smooth operation of each event. Gary Mathers comes to AMA Pro Racing with a deep background in motorcycling and professional motorsports competition, as a racer initially and, more notably, as a team manager. He began his motorcycle racing career aboard a BSA 650 dirt-tracker, and in 1975 Mathers transitioned into race team management with Kawasaki, eventually heading up their motorcycle road racing and motocross teams. In 1985, Mathers joined American Honda in the capacity of race team manager, overseeing their burgeoning flat-track, road racing and motocross teams. The leadership experience and working knowledge of corporate structures that Mathers gained during his long tenure with two major motorcycle manufacturers will serve him well in his capacity of Operations Manager. Since entering the world of race team management, Mathers' teams won a remarkable 76 national motorcycle and snowmobile championships, and never failed to win at least one championship every year -- an enviable record that makes him the winningest team manager in the motorcycle industry. This impressive racing rM-isumM-i makes Gary Mathers uniquely qualified to enter his new position with AMA Pro Racing. Mathers stated, "I'm flattered that AMA Pro Racing would consider me for this position, and I am anxious to begin in this new capacity. I know that my race team background will help me understand the needs of teams, sponsors, promoters and manufacturers. This is a time of growth for AMA Pro Racing and the road-racing community as a whole. Road racing is maturing as a sport, and it's time for road racing to take a higher profile in the public eye." ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 11:01:21 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 11:01:38 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: DC Cycles Subject: Robert Damron I'm not a flat track follower, but saw this and thought the list might want to know: http://sports.iwon.com/news/07012001/obit-damron.html Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 11:50:42 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:50:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "lisa@XXXXXX" To: dccycles cc: t_knapik@XXXXXX We're working on setting up a ride to lunch meeting at Louisiana Express in Bethesda! Lisa '95 VFR Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch To: Lori Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm jus tdown the street in Bethesda. Shady Grove wouldn't be a problem. Tom Knapik --- Lori Wilson wrote: > I ride to work every day, rain or shine so I'm SURE > I'll be riding to work > on July 18th. I work in Frederick, though so a ride > to lunch in DC isn't an > option. Shady Grove isn't too far though- how many > people would be in for > lunch in the Shady Grove area?? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 11:55:45 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:55:37 -0400 No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX '97 916 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my opinion, > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of vehicle > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not from > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their morning > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > application > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > of > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > philosophy > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > benefits > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind or > in > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license plate. > :) > > > > Cedric > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:12:11 2001 From: "L4rite" To: Subject: Re: Speedvision to be all NASCAR? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:12:59 -0400 Hello everyone, and have a joyous 4th..... The speedvision deal is with Fox and Comcast Cable..Comcast owned part of Speedvision, along with Fox....Fox is trading the Outer Network "OLN" and the Golf Channel and some cash for full owner ship of Speedvision....according to Mr. Murdoch's statements he wants to continue the Speedvision programming as is and then later on add a separate 24 hr Nascar channel, they make plenty of cash off of speedvision and nascar, so he figures that he will have a wide audience if he has two channels for motorsports....hope this belays some of your fears...Les...... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:15:32 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:09:26 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Genna Melamed CC: Paul Wilson , Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed from crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up and take the Metro. Bill Genna Melamed wrote: > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > '97 916 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > opinion, > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > vehicle > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > from > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > morning > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750F > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > application > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > > of > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > philosophy > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > benefits > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > or > > in > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > plate. > > :) > > > > > > Cedric > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:30:53 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:30:47 -0400 I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Genna Melamed" Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:09 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed from > crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up and take > the Metro. > > Bill > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > '97 916 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > opinion, > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > vehicle > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > from > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > morning > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR750F > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > application > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > > > of > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > philosophy > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > benefits > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > > or > > > in > > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > > plate. > > > :) > > > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:36:31 2001 From: Gaske David G DLVA To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:36:05 -0400 So can I use the excuse, "I was doing 60 in a 15mph school zone because I can't ride at slow speeds in court?" Has anyone tried this. This is great. Hell I may as well make it 100mph in a 15 zone. We all now centrifugal force of the wheels will make it easier to keep the bike vertical. This is the same vein of, "I can't control that car AND talk on the phone at the same time, so I'll just talk on the phone." I can't ride slow, so I'll speed thru traffic, and they should change the laws to match. Have to agree with Mr. Huson. If you can't ride at 15, don't ride. How much body work have you replaced on your 916? Lost Dawg '00 Sprint RS (yellow) Fredericksburg, Va. USA Genna Melamed wrote: > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i think > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > '97 916 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Wilson" > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > opinion, > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph limit > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > vehicle > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely reasonable. > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of us > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC is > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > from > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > morning > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said that > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their neighborhoods. > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > Paul in DC > > 95 VFR750F > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > application > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian implications > > of > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > philosophy > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > benefits > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > or > > in > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be a > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > plate. > > :) > > > > > > Cedric > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:37:09 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Comcast/Fox/Speedvision To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I wonder if this means good things for those of us (Arlington, for example) that get Fox Sports Net but not Speedvision? Arlington is served by Comcast. I wonder how this all plays out? Chris Weaver --- L4rite wrote: > Hello everyone, and have a joyous 4th..... > > The speedvision deal is with Fox and Comcast > Cable..Comcast owned part > of Speedvision, along with Fox....Fox is trading the > Outer Network "OLN" and > the Golf Channel and some cash for full owner ship > of > Speedvision....according to Mr. Murdoch's statements > he wants to continue > the Speedvision programming as is and then later on > add a separate 24 hr > Nascar channel, they make plenty of cash off of > speedvision and nascar, so > he figures that he will have a wide audience if he > has two channels for > motorsports....hope this belays some of your > fears...Les...... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:44:34 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:44:53 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: Chris Weaver CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Comcast/Fox/Speedvision If Comcast is there usual self (and why I dropped cable and went to DirecTV), they will continue to provide Fox Sports Net and if there is a 24-hour NASCAR channel, that too. But they'll still elect not to provide Speedvision. They could be offering Speedvision now, but don't. So I don't see how any changes in Speedvision ownership would change that. Chuck Chris Weaver wrote: > > I wonder if this means good things for those of us > (Arlington, for example) that get Fox Sports Net but > not Speedvision? Arlington is served by Comcast. I > wonder how this all plays out? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:48:10 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:48:00 EDT Subject: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'll be up there racing and was wondering if anybody was gonna come up and say hi. Who knows...I might even have a racebike or two this weekend....maybe even a truck. (Seems I blew up my SV700 AND my Expedition last weekend when I was racing in Savannah Georgia.) My number is 3. (Same as my IQ according to my parents.) Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 12:50:49 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Safe Speed vs. Speed Limits To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Based on personal experience, I'll go on record as saying that I agree with Genna insofar as 25mph is usually too slow for anything but parking lots and pedestrian-dominated mall areas like Reston Town Center. I think Genna's ultimate point was that most people's innate judgment about safe speed is different than the arbitrarily low speed limits in many areas. If one is constantly evaluating traffic risks and coordinating that with their experience about braking distance, accelleration speed, and safe avoidance techniques (as any good rider will do as a matter of course), it often becomes obvious that the posted speed limits are unnecessarily low. Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:03:56 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:57:50 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Genna Melamed CC: Paul Wilson , Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later I've done it - no problem, on a variety of bikes, one being a frisky Yamahonker sport bike. Perhaps having a good *ear* for what the engine is doing helps. A few weeks on any bike and I can ear-guess the RPM very close, and RPM translates into speed in any given gear. Practice practice practice, you'll get it. Bill Genna Melamed wrote: > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > - From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:06:20 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:06:07 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Genna Melamed" >I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way >too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty >street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I >guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. What sort of guarantee are you offering? I understand what you mean, though - what I do is downshift until I'm at an engine speed where it's easy to maintain a prudent speed. With my ST1100, for example, I've got to be in 4th gear if I'm to keep it from creeping above 60mph. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:10:31 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:10:28 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Safe Speed vs. Speed Limits ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chris Weaver >Based on personal experience, I'll go on record as >saying that I agree with Genna insofar as 25mph is >usually too slow for anything but parking lots and >pedestrian-dominated mall areas like Reston Town >Center. I disagree. A residential area like where I live in Falls Church city has roads with cars parked on each side. Multiple crosswalks for joggers & pedestrians. School bus stops. Bicyclists. People walking their dogs. 25 mph is plenty fast. Sometimes 20 is plenty. Yes, there are plenty of places where the speed limit is unnaturally slow. But there are many places where 25mph is a realistic speed limit. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:17:16 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Gaske David G DLVA" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:17:09 -0400 you missed the point. No it's not a good excuse in court. Actually there is no good excuse in court. It's a fact. Different vehicles are comfortable at different speeds, different drivers/riders are comfortable at different speed. Those are the speeds drivers/riders naturally maintain. This is a reason for 85 percentile rule for speed limits(something that is not being followed in US, though is recommended by NHTSA) When I drive Camry, I rarely go above 70-75(highway) and something around 30-35 city. The car easily maintains that speed because gearing/power/feel is all right for it. Cars are usually easier to keep at lower speeds because of gearing and weight. on the sport bike, while it is possible to keep just about any speeds you want it is not natural and often not easy. 35-40 is usually the point where engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power if you need it and you are not jerking all the time. Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that makes it more difficult to maintain low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, especially 4 cyl. This is not my first bike, and this applies to just about everything I've ridden short of few cruisers. Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below that. I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. Please let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. Especially if you wear leather. One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. This comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. Even most police officers are not going to give you ticket for 30-35mph in DC unless you are doing something really stupid. And no, 60 in school zone or 100 in 15 was not what I was taking about In any case. This discussion only makes sense if all people that disagree with me have NEVER went above posted speed limit. And no, the bodywork is all original. David, I would love to meet you and have a bet that you will not be able to maintain 15 mph for more then 10 minutes on straight,empty, no traffic lights road with speedometer and tach taped over. On any motorcycle(unless, of course, 15mph is it's top speed) Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gaske David G DLVA" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: RE: It had to happen sooner or later > So can I use the excuse, "I was doing 60 in a 15mph school zone because I > can't ride at slow speeds in court?" Has anyone tried this. This is great. > Hell I may as well make it 100mph in a 15 zone. We all now centrifugal > force of the wheels will make it easier to keep the bike vertical. > > This is the same vein of, "I can't control that car AND talk on the phone at > the same time, so I'll just talk on the phone." I can't ride slow, so I'll > speed thru traffic, and they should change the laws to match. Have to agree > with Mr. Huson. If you can't ride at 15, don't ride. How much body work > have you replaced on your 916? > > Lost Dawg > '00 Sprint RS (yellow) > Fredericksburg, Va. USA > > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort of > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You can > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i > think > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > '97 916 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > opinion, > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph > limit > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > vehicle > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight lines > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > reasonable. > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of > us > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if DC > is > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a narrow > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > from > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > morning > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said > that > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their > neighborhoods. > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > 95 VFR750F > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > application > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian > implications > > > of > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > philosophy > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > benefits > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from behind > > or > > > in > > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to be > a > > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > > plate. > > > :) > > > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:23:25 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: , "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:23:18 -0400 First, I wasn't talking about 60, but 25. 60 is no problem to maintain, 25 is different story. And yes there are some places where 25 is plenty fast, but not most DC. Second, ST1100 is not sports bike, but touring bike, it's gearing will allow you to keep low speeds relatively easy. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Genna Melamed" > >I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > >too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > >street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > >guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > > What sort of guarantee are you offering? > > I understand what you mean, though - what I do is downshift until I'm at an engine speed where it's easy to maintain a prudent speed. With my ST1100, for example, I've got to be in 4th gear if I'm to keep it from creeping above 60mph. > > Chris Norloff > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:26:49 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 12:26:45 -0500 Subject: Triumph valve tool for sale I forgot to cancel an order with cycle=spurt so now I got 2. $90 to anywhere in the USA. I know they work for T3's but someone with a shop manual for T5's would have to see if the part # matches up. Considering a valve job can easily run 2 or 3 hours of labor it'll pay for itself in just one use. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:28:03 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: "Paul Wilson" , "Cedric Bernescut" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:27:56 -0400 If you have to listen to the bike or look at speedo/tach it's the same thing, you are NOT paying attention to the road. It's the same as listening to cell phone while you ride. Not to mention that if you have STOCK/LEGAL pipes you won't hear much difference in 3K or 4K RPM, that's more then 10MPH difference on most sport bikes. Are you trying to tell me that when you go from stop light you go until you hit 25 on speedometer and then listen to the engine to stay at that speed? Forgive me if I don't believe that you do it every time you ride. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Huson" To: "Genna Melamed" Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > I've done it - no problem, on a variety of bikes, one being a frisky Yamahonker > sport bike. Perhaps having a good *ear* for what the engine is doing helps. A > few weeks on any bike and I can ear-guess the RPM very close, and RPM translates > into speed in any given gear. Practice practice practice, you'll get it. > > Bill > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > - > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 13:42:56 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Comcast/Fox/Speedvision To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX When I lived in Baltimore County, we had Speedvision, FoxSportsNet and it was Comcast. Now I live in Montgomery Counnty and no Speedvision. Plus, it's the same rate per month. So WTF? --- Chuck Pena wrote: > If Comcast is there usual self (and why I dropped > cable and went to > DirecTV), they will continue to provide Fox Sports > Net and if there is a > 24-hour NASCAR channel, that too. But they'll still > elect not to > provide Speedvision. They could be offering > Speedvision now, but > don't. So I don't see how any changes in > Speedvision ownership would > change that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:03:44 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night To: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles I would go, but I am going to be in Cancun. Let me know next time. Todd W. --- Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > OK folks- We need a head count for the Fingers and > Claws Ride to Lunch on July 18th for Chuck. > > F & C is in the Muddy Branch Shopping Center on > Muddy > Branch Road. The nearest major cross street is Great > Seneca Highway. The restaurant is in a shopping > center, so there is plenty of parking. > > It's about 15 minutes from Bethesda as it's right > off > the 370 exit off 270. > > I can't find a web site, even on Wash Post.com. > Anyway, it is a neat little place that sells good > sandwiches and other tasy treats. > > Please let us know if your interested. If there is > no > response, we'll bag it. > > Thanks!! > > Matt > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > Just to let y'all know that I've updated the Bike > > Night page with what I > > hope is the most up-to-date info about the various > > "Ride to Lunch" > > locations. For those establishments that have web > > pages (that I know > > about), there are links (if you need exact > location, > > directions, phone > > number, etc.) There are also email links to each > > person who is > > nominally "responsible". > > > > Niv and Matthew - Please let me know if your ideas > > are still just > > suggestions or whether they're "real". > > > > Anyone want to put together another ride to lunch > > locations in Northern > > Virginia a little "further out" (e.g., Reston)? > > Grevey's is probably > > relatively convenient for those in Arlington, > Falls > > Church, and Tysons > > Corner (maybe Alexandria too). But certainly it's > > not central for all > > those who work in Northern Virginia and want to > ride > > to lunch and meet > > other m/c-ists. > > > > And don't forget that there's another Bike Night > on > > Tuesday, July 17th > > at Grevey's in Falls Church. Mark is working on > > getting a date for > > another Bike Night in July at CarPool. Keep > > checking the web page > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. > > > > Chuck > > > > -- > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo > Banzai > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:06:30 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:04:06 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Genna Melamed , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Genna, Just go up a gear in traffic like that, especially if you've got a "peaky" bike. Cruising in second keeps the RPM's down, where you can practically crawl. Riding slow, safely, is an important factor in street riding. You might want to sign up for an intermediate rider course with the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "Genna Melamed" > Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed > from > > crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up > and take > > the Metro. > > > > Bill > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort > of > > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You > can > > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i > think > > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > '97 916 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > > opinion, > > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph > limit > > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > > vehicle > > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight > lines > > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > reasonable. > > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of > us > > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if > DC is > > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a > narrow > > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > > from > > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > > morning > > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said > that > > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their > neighborhoods. > > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > > 95 VFR750F > > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > > application > > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian > implications > > > > of > > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > > philosophy > > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > > benefits > > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from > behind > > > or > > > > in > > > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to > be a > > > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > > > plate. > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:12:02 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: Chris Weaver , SKeener2@XXXXXX, Whetu@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX You can still be cited for improper display, even with it illuminated. Todd W. --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Just make sure the plate is illuminated. As I > recall, > that's part of the law. As usual, I'm too lazy to > look > up the actual code online. One of the list's > nitpickers can do that for me. ;^) > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR > > > --- SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > > Do the squidly thing. Move the plate under the > rear > > tailsection. A cop > > right behind you can see it...so it's legal....but > a > > camera high up shouldn't > > have the angle. Just a thought... > > > > Keener > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:16:04 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , Genna Melamed , "D.C.Cycles-L" genna doesn't need to go up a gear, unless he'd like his 916 to stall out. it is humanly impossible to cruise at 25mph in second gear on a 916/996 without feathering the [very heavy and abbreviated-life] clutch.....it's simply geared too tall. that seems to be the underlying problem here, and genna should probably not have generalized it to all sportbikes. --- "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > Genna, > Just go up a gear in traffic like that, > especially if you've got a > "peaky" bike. Cruising in second keeps the RPM's down, > where you can practically > crawl. Riding slow, safely, is an important factor in > street riding. You might > want to sign up for an intermediate rider course with the > Motorcycle Safety > Foundation. > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear > traffic, 25 is way > > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe > me, try it. Find empty > > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or > RPM for 5 minutes, I > > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 > minutes. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:16:50 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:17:12 -0400 From: Chuck Pena To: Todd Withrow CC: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night And the reason you can't ride from Cancun??? %^) Todd Withrow wrote: > > I would go, but I am going to be in Cancun. Let me > know next time. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:17:36 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:17:23 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for lost keys - semi long To: Well folks, like an idiot, I lost my car/apartment keys last night. I suited up in my full leathers (no pockets) for a late night ride, threw my keys and wallet under the seat and took off. From DC, took 95 out towards Potomac Mills, turned around and came back into town in the HOV lanes. Nothing like a nice night ride in unoccupied HOV lanes to get your adrenalin pumping. ;-) Anyway, got back into the garage and popped the seat. Take out wallet and go to grab keys. No keys. FUCK!!!! Everything under the seat had shifted due to all the road construction bumps and my keys must have bounced into the fairing & slid out the hole for the passenger footpeg. Luckily I've got a friend who keeps a spare set for me. Never thought I'd have to use them. :-( I can get all the keys replaced but, I lost one car remote in the process. If any of you guys and gals who travel 95 can keep an eye out for a set of keys lying on the side of the road, I'd appreciate it. I know it's a long shot but, it would be nice to get them back. I was in the left lane pretty much the whole way out of DC in the non-HOV lanes. And the same for the HOV lanes. I was briefly in the outbound HOV's from 14th street to where they switch over at the Pentagon. The keys were in the left side of the tail so, they probably bounced out on the left. There are 5 keys and one car remote on a brass keyring that says "Class of 89". Anyone who finds them will have my eternal gratitude and a case of your favorite beer. Thanks. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:20:05 2001 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 13:20:02 -0500 Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power if > you need it and you are not jerking all the time. Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and <10mph. But even then I use the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk around. Friction zone, you know... > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that makes it more difficult to maintain > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, especially 4 cyl. I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 RPM to 3000 RPM all the time and I have quieter cans than practically anything except maybe a full-blown tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas designated 25mph? You don't. > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below > I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My engine doesn't benefit from all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc might have (not up to speed on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 miles worth of humming. What do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in low gears? Buzzing around in 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. Especially > if you wear leather. One mile at a time, sister. What's a little sweat? I wear full gear both top and bottom. And the pants aren't even perf'ed. Warm? Sure. But if you want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the cage. > One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. This No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the proper driving solution to anything but extremely *RARE* situations where the only out is ahead. I see way too many riders diving in and out of way-too tight holes in response to perceived threats when hanging back would have been far safer. > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. Then may I suggest you use that little button on the left grip called a HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual disks on that front wheel. I've done plenty of driving and it is not that common to have cagers make unannounced excursions into one's lane of travel. If you were surprised by the move you probably weren't paying attention and missed the clues and purhaps didn't notice things like the car's own lane being blocked up ahead. And what were you doing positioning yourself so that the car couldn't come over without tagging your bike? Of course you left room in front of you so that if he did just happen to get into your lane he could do so without smacking you from the side. It's called space cushion. You keep a buffer around you so the prick in the car beside can act like a bozo and it still won't have a bad outcome. I don't know where so many MC riders get the notion that the proper 1st response to a threat is to gas it. Or why they think tailgating is so much fun. both are good ways to get yourself crunched. A MC gives you many more possibilities to escape because it is nimble and narrow. But unfortunately many riders don't utilize what they have. > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. Maybe. The 650lb MC+rider will have to be going 58mph to have the same kinetic energy as the aforementioned car but car braking systems do tend to do a better job than many MC riders. In completely open and risk mitigated environs, maintaining 25mph might need more inner restraint than most people exercise. But a congested city such as DC offers plenty of hazards that it is well within the ability of a MC rider to keep their throttle hand in check. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:20:31 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:20:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s To: "Wood, Sally" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know who > is who, especially > when there is a great turn-out, as there was on Tuesday > nite. I kept asking > those I did know "Who's that?! Who's that?!?!" I was > also, wondering if > any of the guys who post those surly messages on the list > (and you know who > you are) were in attendence. ;) sorry, but i was unable to attend, being en route back to hell from my honeymoon. the next time i attend a gathering, i'll be sure to wear my "List Asshole" shirt.... :) > Then, Chuck Pena declared: > > We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^) ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:31:11 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:31:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Genna, You might be on some thin ice with this one. Didn't you say you had a 916? I'm REAL doubtful that 3000 rpm sounds like 4000 rpm on your bike. I have a VTR (also a v-twin that peaks around 9,500 rpm) with stock pipes and even on mine the difference is very obvious. Also, comparing listening to your bike with talking on a cell phone is an argument that won't convince a lot of people on this list. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR --- Genna Melamed wrote: > If you have to listen to the bike or look at > speedo/tach it's the same > thing, you are NOT paying attention to the road. > It's the same as listening > to cell phone while you ride. Not to mention that > if you have STOCK/LEGAL > pipes you won't hear much difference in 3K or 4K > RPM, that's more then 10MPH > difference on most sport bikes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:32:26 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch/Bike Night To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: Matthew Rosenstock , DC Cycles I'll be too busy enjoying the topless beach and all the food/booze that is included with the all-inclusive package. :D Todd --- Chuck Pena wrote: > And the reason you can't ride from Cancun??? %^) > > Todd Withrow wrote: > > > > I would go, but I am going to be in Cancun. Let me > > know next time. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:36:09 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "William J. Huson" Cc: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:15:54 -0400 Ah yes, shades of MSF classes and students obsessing about riding at 15 mph and not knowing their speed because the speedo is busted or gone. Has to be the number one FAQ on the range, bar none. After a while you can judge speed by feel and sound. On my street 25 mph is plenty fast enough and the potholes and utility cuts will give you an extra reminder if the engine revs in second gear and exhaust note should prove insufficient. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: William J. Huson > I've done it - no problem, on a variety of bikes, one being a frisky Yamahonker > sport bike. Perhaps having a good *ear* for what the engine is doing helps. A > few weeks on any bike and I can ear-guess the RPM very close, and RPM translates > into speed in any given gear. Practice practice practice, you'll get it. > > Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:36:11 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Genna Melamed" , "Gaske David G DLVA" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:39:19 -0400 From: Genna Melamed To: Gaske David G DLVA ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > you missed the point. > And I think you've missed several points about riding in heavy city traffic. > > on the sport bike, while it is possible to keep just about any speeds you > want it is not natural and often not easy. 35-40 is usually the point where > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power if > you need it and you are not jerking all the time. Perhaps our riding styles are different, but I find there's no sin in revving up my VFR in heavy traffic and staying in first and second. That way all I do is roll off for lots of engine brake and the bike slows in a hurry. It's very easy to modulate my speed with the throttle only and get on the brakes only for quicker stop. Keep it about 5K (in first at about 20; 27 in second; 35 in third) and you can still roll on in the power band (at least on a VFR) or even downshift if I really need to haul ass for whatever reason. > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below > that. > I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. Please > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. Especially > if you wear leather. Then don't ride in the city. Cops should give MCs a free pass 'cuz it's hot? > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. This > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. I'm wondering how you accelerate from a full stop then? Downshift, accelerate. Call me crazy but sportbikes can accelerate hard from a dead stop. > > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. Sure you can stop, but you'll get a Chevy enema from the cab behind you. Not sure what the point here is. You get to go faster because you can stop shorter? Just my thoughts, YMMV. Paul in DC 95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:38:41 2001 From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Bike Night I.D.s Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:30:10 -0400 Clearly, matrimony has mellowed you not! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM To: Wood, Sally; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: Bike Night I.D.s --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > It's difficult for even the "not-so-newbies" to know who > is who, especially > when there is a great turn-out, as there was on Tuesday > nite. I kept asking > those I did know "Who's that?! Who's that?!?!" I was > also, wondering if > any of the guys who post those surly messages on the list > (and you know who > you are) were in attendence. ;) sorry, but i was unable to attend, being en route back to hell from my honeymoon. the next time i attend a gathering, i'll be sure to wear my "List Asshole" shirt.... :) > Then, Chuck Pena declared: > > We will require nametags at the next Bike Night! %^) ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 14:47:41 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:47:34 -0400 The point I was making Sis that there is no traffic jam. In traffic jams there is no choice(other then splitting lanes and that is all together different topic). And yes I do ride 10,15,20 whatever I have to not to hit cars in front of me. But this requires a lot of clutch work. I'd rather not do it if I can help it I don't care what kind of bike you have, if you are in second gear at 25mph you are very near your idle(or at least very far below your torque peak). At that point there is no power available to you if you need it NOW. In fact you will still be below your available power on most sports bike if you downshift to 1st. It is possible to ride like that, but not safe or smart(for the bike's sake) for long periods of time. Many FI sports bikes will have trouble even providing normal mixture to engine at such low RPM/throttle inputs. GSXRs and Ducs come to mind. Hence you will have to use clutch all the time. MSF teaches you control of bike at slow speed. I don't have any problems with it. All that is very useful and applies in many cases. But it has nothing to do with this conversation. Quite frankly, I dare anyone here to say that they routinely ride/drive at 25 MPH on streets when traffic permits higher speeds. Occasionally, yes, in some places, always. routinely, I doubt it. Not to mention that it is plainly stupid and dangerous to ride at 25 when most cars around you go 40-45. All this is made worse by 916, but my old VTR, F2 and other bikes I've ridden(929,R6,R1,GSXRs, Mille......) were similar. If you have never ridden 916/748/996, try it, you will be amazed how difficult and HOT to ride that bike slow. As I said, new bikes are getting more and more peaky(I4 anyway). They are made to go faster and faster at expense of being able to ride slow comfortably Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: "Genna Melamed" ; "D.C.Cycles-L" Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Genna, > Just go up a gear in traffic like that, especially if you've got a > "peaky" bike. Cruising in second keeps the RPM's down, where you can practically > crawl. Riding slow, safely, is an important factor in street riding. You might > want to sign up for an intermediate rider course with the Motorcycle Safety > Foundation. > > Steven C. Di Pietro > Assistant National Director > National Marketing Coordinator > Suzuki Owners Club USA > 142 Circle Road > Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 > http://www.soc-usa.org > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is way > > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find empty > > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 minutes, I > > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William J. Huson" > > To: "Genna Melamed" > > Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" > > ; > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:09 PM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > No offense, but if you can't hold your bike at a relitively steady speed > > from > > > crawling to booking without staring at a speedo, you need to give it up > > and take > > > the Metro. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > > > > No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding any sort > > of > > > > sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of time. You > > can > > > > force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the time, but i > > think > > > > that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. > > > > > > > > 25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky > > > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > '97 916 > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Paul Wilson" > > > > To: "Cedric Bernescut" ; > > > > Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 10:50 AM > > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > > > Perhaps suburban arterial and freeway speeds are too low, but in my > > > > opinion, > > > > > speed limits in DC are not too low, with the exception of the 40 mph > > limit > > > > > on 395 and the Third Street tunnel. Given the heavy traffic, mix of > > > > vehicle > > > > > types (including bicycles) pedestrians, narrow streets, poor sight > > lines > > > > > etc., the 25 and 35 mph limits on surface streets are entirely > > reasonable. > > > > > [Trivia time: DC has a uniform 25 mph limit unless posted otherwise.] > > > > > While I do not agree with the use of electronic surveillance, those of > > us > > > > > who use the city streets every day may see some positive benefits if > > DC is > > > > > no longer seen as a jurisdiction where "anything goes" with respect to > > > > > traffic laws. I observe this especially as a property owner on a > > narrow > > > > > street where traffic often moves at unsafe speeds, more often than not > > > > from > > > > > suburban commuters speeding in order to cut a few seconds off their > > > > morning > > > > > drives. An interesting sidebar to this story: residents polled said > > that > > > > > traffic problems are the number one police problem in their > > neighborhoods. > > > > > Things must be looking up if that's the case. > > > > > > > > > > Paul in DC > > > > > 95 VFR750F > > > > > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Cedric Bernescut > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with both, the speed limits are too low and this sudden > > > > > application > > > > > > of financial burden may ferment a revolt, but the Orwellian > > implications > > > > > of > > > > > > constant video surveillance are too destructive to the values and > > > > > philosophy > > > > > > that founded this nation to be acceptable to anyone that values the > > > > > benefits > > > > > > of citizenship. A couple of questions, do the cameras tag from > > behind > > > > or > > > > > in > > > > > > front? If in front, then no worries, if in back, there is going to > > be a > > > > > > surge in sales of the "hugger kits" that relocate the rear license > > > > plate. > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:01:53 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Matthew Patton" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:01:46 -0400 Please tell me where and who ever said that Nighthawk is SPORT bike? All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not standards, and specifically newer sport bikes. Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but I like ability to be able to run away from situation if needed, such as car merging into my lane. You may not need power as you ride, but you might need it to accelerate quickly if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, it may happen. You don't know what hot is until you sit in traffic at <40 on top of 916. in full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) exhaust pipes with all that "fancy" ducts directed right at you and engine(water) is heating up to 210-215F BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence they can be air cooled) Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer to slow if I can, but in some cases accelerating is a better option. in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to _have_ this option if I can. Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What the chances of your horn being heard in sound-proof MB with closed windows, AC and cell conversation? I use horn, but don't relay on it. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Patton" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power if > > you need it and you are not jerking all the time. > > Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and <10mph. But even then I use the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk around. Friction zone, you know... > > > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that makes it more difficult to maintain > > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, especially 4 cyl. > > I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 RPM to 3000 RPM all the time and I have quieter cans than practically anything except maybe a full-blown tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas designated 25mph? You don't. > > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below > > > I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is > > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. > > And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My engine doesn't benefit from all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc might have (not up to speed on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 miles worth of humming. What do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in low gears? Buzzing around in 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > > > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. Especially > > if you wear leather. > > One mile at a time, sister. What's a little sweat? I wear full gear both top and bottom. And the pants aren't even perf'ed. Warm? Sure. But if you want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the cage. > > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. This > > No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the proper driving solution to anything but extremely *RARE* situations where the only out is ahead. I see way too many riders diving in and out of way-too tight holes in response to perceived threats when hanging back would have been far safer. > > > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that > > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. > > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. > > Then may I suggest you use that little button on the left grip called a HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual disks on that front wheel. I've done plenty of driving and it is not that common to have cagers make unannounced excursions into one's lane of travel. If you were surprised by the move you probably weren't paying attention and missed the clues and purhaps didn't notice things like the car's own lane being blocked up ahead. And what were you doing positioning yourself so that the car couldn't come over without tagging your bike? Of course you left room in front of you so that if he did just happen to get into your lane he could do so without smacking you from the side. It's called space cushion. You keep a buffer around you so the prick in the car beside can act like a bozo and it still won't have a bad outcome. > > I don't know where so many MC riders get the notion that the proper 1st response to a threat is to gas it. Or why they think tailgating is so much fun. both are good ways to get yourself crunched. A MC gives you many more possibilities to escape because it is nimble and narrow. But unfortunately many riders don't utilize what they have. > > > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in > > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. > > Maybe. The 650lb MC+rider will have to be going 58mph to have the same kinetic energy as the aforementioned car but car braking systems do tend to do a better job than many MC riders. > > In completely open and risk mitigated environs, maintaining 25mph might need more inner restraint than most people exercise. But a congested city such as DC offers plenty of hazards that it is well within the ability of a MC rider to keep their throttle hand in check. > > -- > > > "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured > only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or > property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, > actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:04:00 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Chris Weaver" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:03:54 -0400 Chris. You are correct, on 916 and my previous VTR you can tell the difference, but on something like R6(stock), or GSXR(stock) you won't be as precise as needed to stay at constant speed Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Weaver" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Genna, > > You might be on some thin ice with this one. Didn't > you say you had a 916? I'm REAL doubtful that 3000 rpm > sounds like 4000 rpm on your bike. I have a VTR (also > a v-twin that peaks around 9,500 rpm) with stock pipes > and even on mine the difference is very obvious. > > Also, comparing listening to your bike with talking on > a cell phone is an argument that won't convince a lot > of people on this list. > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > If you have to listen to the bike or look at > > speedo/tach it's the same > > thing, you are NOT paying attention to the road. > > It's the same as listening > > to cell phone while you ride. Not to mention that > > if you have STOCK/LEGAL > > pipes you won't hear much difference in 3K or 4K > > RPM, that's more then 10MPH > > difference on most sport bikes. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:11:50 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Maybe the solution is to NOT drive a race replica, track-oriented, Italian bike in the city, rather than changing the speed limits to simply accomodate that particular veichle. --- Genna Melamed wrote: > Please tell me where and who ever said that > Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > > All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not > standards, and specifically > newer sport bikes. > > Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but I > like ability to be able > to run away from situation if needed, such as car > merging into my lane. You > may not need power as you ride, but you might need > it to accelerate quickly > if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, it > may happen. > > You don't know what hot is until you sit in traffic > at <40 on top of 916. in > full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) > exhaust pipes with all that > "fancy" ducts directed right at you and > engine(water) is heating up to > 210-215F > > BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence they > can be air cooled) > > Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer to > slow if I can, but in > some cases accelerating is a better option. > > in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to > _have_ this option if I can. > > Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What the > chances of your horn > being heard in sound-proof MB with closed windows, > AC and cell conversation? > I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Patton" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running > smoothly, so you have > power if > > > you need it and you are not jerking all the > time. > > > > Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and > <10mph. But even then I use > the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk > around. Friction zone, you > know... > > > > > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that makes > it more difficult to > maintain > > > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, > especially 4 cyl. > > > > I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 RPM > to 3000 RPM all the time > and I have quieter cans than practically anything > except maybe a full-blown > tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas > designated 25mph? You don't. > > > > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below > 5K RPM, 25mph is below > > > > > I won't even comment that riding in first gear > for long periods of time > is > > > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there > are HEATING issues. > > > > And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My > engine doesn't benefit from > all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc might > have (not up to speed > on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 > miles worth of humming. What > do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in low > gears? Buzzing around in > 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > > > > > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the > city in 95F heat. > Especially > > > if you wear leather. > > > > One mile at a time, sister. What's a little sweat? > I wear full gear both > top and bottom. And the pants aren't even perf'ed. > Warm? Sure. But if you > want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the cage. > > > > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's > ability to accelerate fast. > This > > > > No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the > proper driving solution to > anything but extremely *RARE* situations where the > only out is ahead. I see > way too many riders diving in and out of way-too > tight holes in response to > perceived threats when hanging back would have been > far safer. > > > > > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. > I want to have that > > > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. > Accelerate, brake, or > turn. > > > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not > all) sport bikes. > > > > Then may I suggest you use that little button on > the left grip called a > HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual disks on > that front wheel. I've > done plenty of driving and it is not that common to > have cagers make > unannounced excursions into one's lane of travel. If > you were surprised by > the move you probably weren't paying attention and > missed the clues and > purhaps didn't notice things like the car's own lane > being blocked up ahead. > And what were you doing positioning yourself so that > the car couldn't come > over without tagging your bike? Of course you left > room in front of you so > that if he did just happen to get into your lane he > could do so without > smacking you from the side. It's called space > cushion. You keep a buffer > around you so the prick in the car beside can act > like a bozo and it still > won't have a bad outcome. > > > > I don't know where so many MC riders get the > notion that the proper 1st > response to a threat is to gas it. Or why they think > tailgating is so much > fun. both are good ways to get yourself crunched. A > MC gives you many more > possibilities to escape because it is nimble and > narrow. But unfortunately > many riders don't utilize what they have. > > > > > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb > cars' braking distances in > > > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop > sooner from 40 then > that. > > > > Maybe. The 650lb MC+rider will have to be going > 58mph to have the same > kinetic energy as the aforementioned car but car > braking systems do tend to > do a better job than many MC riders. > > > > In completely open and risk mitigated environs, > maintaining 25mph might > need more inner restraint than most people exercise. > But a congested city > such as DC offers plenty of hazards that it is well > within the ability of a > MC rider to keep their throttle hand in check. > > > > -- > > > > > > "In a free society, standards of public morality > can be measured > > only by whether physical coercion or violence > against persons or > > property occurs. There is no right not to be > offended by words, > > actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:12:25 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 14:59:21 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" To: Tom Gimer CC: Genna Melamed , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Tom Gimer wrote: > genna doesn't need to go up a gear, unless he'd like his > 916 to stall out. it is humanly impossible to cruise at > 25mph in second gear on a 916/996 without feathering the > [very heavy and abbreviated-life] clutch.....it's simply > geared too tall. that seems to be the underlying problem > here, and genna should probably not have generalized it to > all sportbikes. Tom, Point taken. I guess that's why I'll be sticking with Suzuki's ;) Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:24:25 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Mark Kitchell" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:24:18 -0400 Maybe, Or maybe it makes sense to keep limits at 85 percentile as recommended by all traffic safety engineers. Obviously with some exception for school zones etc. And BTW, I don't ride in DC mostly for all the reasons I stated. Answer me this. Do you really ride or drive at 25 in the city at all(or almost all) times? Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Maybe the solution is to NOT drive a race replica, > track-oriented, Italian bike in the city, rather than > changing the speed limits to simply accomodate that > particular veichle. > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > Please tell me where and who ever said that > > Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > > > > All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not > > standards, and specifically > > newer sport bikes. > > > > Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but I > > like ability to be able > > to run away from situation if needed, such as car > > merging into my lane. You > > may not need power as you ride, but you might need > > it to accelerate quickly > > if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, it > > may happen. > > > > You don't know what hot is until you sit in traffic > > at <40 on top of 916. in > > full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) > > exhaust pipes with all that > > "fancy" ducts directed right at you and > > engine(water) is heating up to > > 210-215F > > > > BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence they > > can be air cooled) > > > > Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer to > > slow if I can, but in > > some cases accelerating is a better option. > > > > in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to > > _have_ this option if I can. > > > > Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What the > > chances of your horn > > being heard in sound-proof MB with closed windows, > > AC and cell conversation? > > I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew Patton" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running > > smoothly, so you have > > power if > > > > you need it and you are not jerking all the > > time. > > > > > > Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and > > <10mph. But even then I use > > the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk > > around. Friction zone, you > > know... > > > > > > > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that makes > > it more difficult to > > maintain > > > > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, > > especially 4 cyl. > > > > > > I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 RPM > > to 3000 RPM all the time > > and I have quieter cans than practically anything > > except maybe a full-blown > > tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas > > designated 25mph? You don't. > > > > > > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below > > 5K RPM, 25mph is below > > > > > > > I won't even comment that riding in first gear > > for long periods of time > > is > > > > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there > > are HEATING issues. > > > > > > And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My > > engine doesn't benefit from > > all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc might > > have (not up to speed > > on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 > > miles worth of humming. What > > do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in low > > gears? Buzzing around in > > 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > > > > > > > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the > > city in 95F heat. > > Especially > > > > if you wear leather. > > > > > > One mile at a time, sister. What's a little sweat? > > I wear full gear both > > top and bottom. And the pants aren't even perf'ed. > > Warm? Sure. But if you > > want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the cage. > > > > > > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's > > ability to accelerate fast. > > This > > > > > > No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the > > proper driving solution to > > anything but extremely *RARE* situations where the > > only out is ahead. I see > > way too many riders diving in and out of way-too > > tight holes in response to > > perceived threats when hanging back would have been > > far safer. > > > > > > > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. > > I want to have that > > > > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. > > Accelerate, brake, or > > turn. > > > > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not > > all) sport bikes. > > > > > > Then may I suggest you use that little button on > > the left grip called a > > HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual disks on > > that front wheel. I've > > done plenty of driving and it is not that common to > > have cagers make > > unannounced excursions into one's lane of travel. If > > you were surprised by > > the move you probably weren't paying attention and > > missed the clues and > > purhaps didn't notice things like the car's own lane > > being blocked up ahead. > > And what were you doing positioning yourself so that > > the car couldn't come > > over without tagging your bike? Of course you left > > room in front of you so > > that if he did just happen to get into your lane he > > could do so without > > smacking you from the side. It's called space > > cushion. You keep a buffer > > around you so the prick in the car beside can act > > like a bozo and it still > > won't have a bad outcome. > > > > > > I don't know where so many MC riders get the > > notion that the proper 1st > > response to a threat is to gas it. Or why they think > > tailgating is so much > > fun. both are good ways to get yourself crunched. A > > MC gives you many more > > possibilities to escape because it is nimble and > > narrow. But unfortunately > > many riders don't utilize what they have. > > > > > > > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb > > cars' braking distances in > > > > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop > > sooner from 40 then > > that. > > > > > > Maybe. The 650lb MC+rider will have to be going > > 58mph to have the same > > kinetic energy as the aforementioned car but car > > braking systems do tend to > > do a better job than many MC riders. > > > > > > In completely open and risk mitigated environs, > > maintaining 25mph might > > need more inner restraint than most people exercise. > > But a congested city > > such as DC offers plenty of hazards that it is well > > within the ability of a > > MC rider to keep their throttle hand in check. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > "In a free society, standards of public morality > > can be measured > > > only by whether physical coercion or violence > > against persons or > > > property occurs. There is no right not to be > > offended by words, > > > actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > > > > > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:25:41 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Paul Wilson" , "Gaske David G DLVA" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:25:34 -0400 OK point by point: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Genna Melamed" ; "Gaske David G DLVA" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > From: Genna Melamed > To: Gaske David G DLVA ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > you missed the point. > > > And I think you've missed several points about riding in heavy city traffic. Nope, i was specifically talking about NOT heavy city traffic. > > > > on the sport bike, while it is possible to keep just about any speeds you > > want it is not natural and often not easy. 35-40 is usually the point > where > > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is running smoothly, so you have power > if > > you need it and you are not jerking all the time. > > Perhaps our riding styles are different, but I find there's no sin in > revving up my VFR in heavy traffic and staying in first and second. That > way all I do is roll off for lots of engine brake and the bike slows in a > hurry. It's very easy to modulate my speed with the throttle only and get > on the brakes only for quicker stop. Keep it about 5K (in first at about > 20; 27 in second; 35 in third) and you can still roll on in the power band > (at least on a VFR) or even downshift if I really need to haul ass for > whatever reason. Once again, VFR is not a "sport" bike, but sport-tourer the V4 alowes for this much easier then sport I4 or many V2. That V4 is very smooth, so you can ride it like this and it has enough torque at 5K and gearing to keep it at 5K. Most newer *sport* bikes don't. > > > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power below 5K RPM, 25mph is below > > that. > > I won't even comment that riding in first gear for long periods of time is > > stupid. Second is not much better. Then there are HEATING issues. Please > > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in the city in 95F heat. > Especially > > if you wear leather. > > Then don't ride in the city. Cops should give MCs a free pass 'cuz it's > hot? > > Point taken, but still do you actually ride at 25 in city in full leathers at 95F or actually ever? And i don't usually ride in DC anyway. > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's ability to accelerate fast. > This > > comes very handy when a cage merges in you lane. I want to have that > > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid accident. Accelerate, brake, or turn. > > At 25 you take the first one away on most(not all) sport bikes. > > I'm wondering how you accelerate from a full stop then? Downshift, > accelerate. Call me crazy but sportbikes can accelerate hard from a dead > stop. > > You will actually achiever faster acceleration from dead stop then from 25mph(no clutch) in second gear. So you would need to downshift to first and still use clutch. All this takes time. Have you ever wandered why roll-on starts are usually slower then starts from dead stop? > > One last comment. 25mph is set with 3500+lb cars' braking distances in > > mind. a <500(with rider) sports bike will stop sooner from 40 then that. > > Sure you can stop, but you'll get a Chevy enema from the cab behind you. > Not sure what the point here is. You get to go faster because you can stop > shorter? I was reffering to bikes ability to stop faster then cars and thus avoiding hitting objects in front of it from higher speed then cars. Since 25mph is speed that is concidered safe for stopping purpose for CAR, then a significaly higher speed for MC will allow same/shorter stopping distance for same purpose. > > Just my thoughts, YMMV. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR > > > Genna From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:29:27 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 12:29:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: Genna Melamed , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX I never ride 25 in DC, but if i get a ticket for speeding, its my fault, no one else's. If I cannot control my veichle at the speed limit, I would not drive it. If you raise the speedlimits in DC, then taxis are gonna go 80 rather than 50. Not interested. --- Genna Melamed wrote: > Maybe, > > Or maybe it makes sense to keep limits at 85 > percentile as recommended by > all traffic safety engineers. Obviously with some > exception for school > zones etc. > > And BTW, I don't ride in DC mostly for all the > reasons I stated. > > Answer me this. Do you really ride or drive at 25 > in the city at all(or > almost all) times? > > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:11 PM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > Maybe the solution is to NOT drive a race replica, > > track-oriented, Italian bike in the city, rather > than > > changing the speed limits to simply accomodate > that > > particular veichle. > > > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > Please tell me where and who ever said that > > > Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > > > > > > All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not > > > standards, and specifically > > > newer sport bikes. > > > > > > Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but > I > > > like ability to be able > > > to run away from situation if needed, such as > car > > > merging into my lane. You > > > may not need power as you ride, but you might > need > > > it to accelerate quickly > > > if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, > it > > > may happen. > > > > > > You don't know what hot is until you sit in > traffic > > > at <40 on top of 916. in > > > full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) > > > exhaust pipes with all that > > > "fancy" ducts directed right at you and > > > engine(water) is heating up to > > > 210-215F > > > > > > BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence > they > > > can be air cooled) > > > > > > Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer > to > > > slow if I can, but in > > > some cases accelerating is a better option. > > > > > > in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to > > > _have_ this option if I can. > > > > > > Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What > the > > > chances of your horn > > > being heard in sound-proof MB with closed > windows, > > > AC and cell conversation? > > > I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > > > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Matthew Patton" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > > > > > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is > running > > > smoothly, so you have > > > power if > > > > > you need it and you are not jerking all the > > > time. > > > > > > > > Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and > > > <10mph. But even then I use > > > the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk > > > around. Friction zone, you > > > know... > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that > makes > > > it more difficult to > > > maintain > > > > > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, > > > especially 4 cyl. > > > > > > > > I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 > RPM > > > to 3000 RPM all the time > > > and I have quieter cans than practically > anything > > > except maybe a full-blown > > > tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas > > > designated 25mph? You don't. > > > > > > > > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power > below > > > 5K RPM, 25mph is below > > > > > > > > > I won't even comment that riding in first > gear > > > for long periods of time > > > is > > > > > stupid. Second is not much better. Then > there > > > are HEATING issues. > > > > > > > > And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My > > > engine doesn't benefit from > > > all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc > might > > > have (not up to speed > > > on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 > > > miles worth of humming. What > > > do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in > low > > > gears? Buzzing around in > > > 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > > > > > > > > > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in > the > > > city in 95F heat. > > > Especially > > > > > if you wear leather. > > > > > > > > One mile at a time, sister. What's a little > sweat? > > > I wear full gear both > > > top and bottom. And the pants aren't even > perf'ed. > > > Warm? Sure. But if you > > > want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the > cage. > > > > > > > > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's > > > ability to accelerate fast. > > > This > > > > > > > > No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the > > > proper driving solution to > > > anything but extremely *RARE* situations where > the > > > only out is ahead. I see > > > way too many riders diving in and out of way-too > > > tight holes in response to > > > perceived threats when hanging back would have > been > > > far safer. > > > > > > > > > comes very handy when a cage merges in you > lane. > > > I want to have that > > > > > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid > accident. > > > Accelerate, brake, or > > > turn. > > > > > At 25 you take the first one away on > most(not > > > all) sport bikes. > > > > > > > > Then may I suggest you use that little button > on > > > the left grip called a > > > HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual > disks on > > > that front wheel. I've > > > done plenty of driving and it is not that common > to > > > have cagers make > > > unannounced excursions into one's lane of > travel. === message truncated === ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:45:46 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: genna@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 15:34:33 -0400 Genna, Simply put: The Ducati 916 is the WRONG bike for city riding. If it's all you got, then YOU have to adapt - not the rest of the world. You might consider getting a KE100, or similar, for city riding and save the 916 (and it's {in}famous clutch) for the country. And please don't extrapolate a Duc's behavior to all sportbikes... Some of us prefer a little more civility and a little less Italian "panache" in our everyday riding. Perry ps: And, no, I don't like to ride 25mph either. It can get hot and tiring on either my Concours or my ZX-6. It even got hot on my KZ440 and KZ1100, when I had them. pps: I personally think that motorcycles should be allowed 10mph over the posted limit. Sort of like trucks having a speed limit 10mph less than cars on some highways. So, in town: 35mph. On the beltway: 65mph, etc. >From: "Genna Melamed" >To: "Matthew Patton" , >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:01:46 -0400 > >Please tell me where and who ever said that Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > >All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not standards, and specifically >newer sport bikes. > >Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but I like ability to be able >to run away from situation if needed, such as car merging into my lane. >You >may not need power as you ride, but you might need it to accelerate quickly >if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, it may happen. > >You don't know what hot is until you sit in traffic at <40 on top of 916. >in >full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) exhaust pipes with all that >"fancy" ducts directed right at you and engine(water) is heating up to >210-215F > >BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence they can be air cooled) > >Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer to slow if I can, but in >some cases accelerating is a better option. > >in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to _have_ this option if I can. > >Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What the chances of your horn >being heard in sound-proof MB with closed windows, AC and cell >conversation? >I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > >Genna Melamed >genna@XXXXXX > [major snippage] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 15:58:02 2001 From: "Dave" To: Subject: Summit Practice Day Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:01:31 -0400 Any of you racer types going to the summit point practice day Thursday? Im thinking about dusting off my license and bike and getting a day of practice in before I jump back into racing. This assumes I can still fit into my leathers. dave From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:03:55 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:03:44 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Practice Day To: dave@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/3/01 3:58:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dave@XXXXXX writes: > Any of you racer types going to the summit point practice day Thursday? Im > thinking about dusting off my license and bike and getting a day of practice > in before I jump back into racing. This assumes I can still fit into my > leathers. If it rains you are NOT allowed on the track!!!! Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:17:12 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:16:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Summit Practice Day > > Any of you racer types going to the summit point practice day Thursday? I think I'm going to try and do it. ::shrug:: I need the track time. It will eat into my racing budget for the weekend, but at this point the practice day will be much more valuable to me. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:20:20 2001 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:20:03 EDT Subject: Re: Summit Practice Day To: sean.jordan@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/3/01 4:18:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sean.jordan@XXXXXX writes: > I think I'm going to try and do it. ::shrug:: I need the track time. > It will eat into my racing budget for the weekend, but at this point > the practice day will be much more valuable to me. > He's just going to have to push his bike there. :-)) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:23:39 2001 From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Genna Melamed" , "Mark Kitchell" , "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:26:38 -0400 Well yeah, I do ride 25 (or less) on narrow streets with parked cars, kids, dog walkers, jaywalkers, double-parked FedEx vans, etc. Main streets and avenues 30-40 mph depending on traffic. Lots of them are 30/35 mph speed limit anyway. The 25 mph limit is not universal, it only applies unless otherwise indicated. I don't ride that way because of fear of traffic law enforcement either, scant as it is in District in the first place radar cameras notwithstanding, rather because it's the prudent speed on those streets with self-preservation and being a decent citizen in mind. I just think about how pissed off I am when some jerk rides or drives down our street with no regard for those of us who live there. If it's really such a chore to ride in conditions like that or less than 40 generally, perhaps Mark's right and a different bike is in order. As for the leathers on a hot day, I'll respectfully request that all those slow ass cagers get the hell out of my way because I'm sweating. ;) Paul in DC 95 VFR750F ----- Original Message ----- From: Genna Melamed > > Answer me this. Do you really ride or drive at 25 in the city at all(or > almost all) times? > > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > > Maybe the solution is to NOT drive a race replica, > > track-oriented, Italian bike in the city, rather than > > changing the speed limits to simply accommodate that > > particular vehicle. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:24:34 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Perry Coleman" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:24:27 -0400 Perry, Like I said, I don't go to city but I believe you proved my point. You are defending 25mph but not riding it. Seems hypocritical to me Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Genna, > > Simply put: The Ducati 916 is the WRONG bike for city riding. If it's all > you got, then YOU have to adapt - not the rest of the world. You might > consider getting a KE100, or similar, for city riding and save the 916 (and > it's {in}famous clutch) for the country. > > And please don't extrapolate a Duc's behavior to all sportbikes... Some of > us prefer a little more civility and a little less Italian "panache" in our > everyday riding. > > Perry > > ps: And, no, I don't like to ride 25mph either. It can get hot and tiring on > either my Concours or my ZX-6. It even got hot on my KZ440 and KZ1100, when > I had them. > > pps: I personally think that motorcycles should be allowed 10mph over the > posted limit. Sort of like trucks having a speed limit 10mph less than cars > on some highways. So, in town: 35mph. On the beltway: 65mph, etc. > > >From: "Genna Melamed" > >To: "Matthew Patton" , > >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:01:46 -0400 > > > >Please tell me where and who ever said that Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > > > >All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not standards, and specifically > >newer sport bikes. > > > >Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but I like ability to be able > >to run away from situation if needed, such as car merging into my lane. > >You > >may not need power as you ride, but you might need it to accelerate quickly > >if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, it may happen. > > > >You don't know what hot is until you sit in traffic at <40 on top of 916. > >in > >full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) exhaust pipes with all that > >"fancy" ducts directed right at you and engine(water) is heating up to > >210-215F > > > >BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence they can be air cooled) > > > >Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer to slow if I can, but in > >some cases accelerating is a better option. > > > >in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to _have_ this option if I can. > > > >Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What the chances of your horn > >being heard in sound-proof MB with closed windows, AC and cell > >conversation? > >I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > > > > >Genna Melamed > >genna@XXXXXX > > > [major snippage] > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:27:39 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Mark Kitchell" , Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:27:32 -0400 Actually, are proving my point about 25. You are obviously not keeping at 25 because you think it is too low. However, there have been studies done that rising/lowering speed limits has NO effect on actual traveling speeds. It is easy to see on say I95. When limit was 55 prevailing speeds were 70-75. They still are with 65 limit. I'll find the link for such study for you. Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "Genna Melamed" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > I never ride 25 in DC, but if i get a ticket for > speeding, its my fault, no one else's. If I cannot > control my veichle at the speed limit, I would not > drive it. > > If you raise the speedlimits in DC, then taxis are > gonna go 80 rather than 50. Not interested. > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > Maybe, > > > > Or maybe it makes sense to keep limits at 85 > > percentile as recommended by > > all traffic safety engineers. Obviously with some > > exception for school > > zones etc. > > > > And BTW, I don't ride in DC mostly for all the > > reasons I stated. > > > > Answer me this. Do you really ride or drive at 25 > > in the city at all(or > > almost all) times? > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:11 PM > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > Maybe the solution is to NOT drive a race replica, > > > track-oriented, Italian bike in the city, rather > > than > > > changing the speed limits to simply accomodate > > that > > > particular veichle. > > > > > > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > Please tell me where and who ever said that > > > > Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > > > > > > > > All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not > > > > standards, and specifically > > > > newer sport bikes. > > > > > > > > Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but > > I > > > > like ability to be able > > > > to run away from situation if needed, such as > > car > > > > merging into my lane. You > > > > may not need power as you ride, but you might > > need > > > > it to accelerate quickly > > > > if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, > > it > > > > may happen. > > > > > > > > You don't know what hot is until you sit in > > traffic > > > > at <40 on top of 916. in > > > > full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) > > > > exhaust pipes with all that > > > > "fancy" ducts directed right at you and > > > > engine(water) is heating up to > > > > 210-215F > > > > > > > > BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence > > they > > > > can be air cooled) > > > > > > > > Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer > > to > > > > slow if I can, but in > > > > some cases accelerating is a better option. > > > > > > > > in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to > > > > _have_ this option if I can. > > > > > > > > Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What > > the > > > > chances of your horn > > > > being heard in sound-proof MB with closed > > windows, > > > > AC and cell conversation? > > > > I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Matthew Patton" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM > > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is > > running > > > > smoothly, so you have > > > > power if > > > > > > you need it and you are not jerking all the > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and > > > > <10mph. But even then I use > > > > the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk > > > > around. Friction zone, you > > > > know... > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that > > makes > > > > it more difficult to > > > > maintain > > > > > > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, > > > > especially 4 cyl. > > > > > > > > > > I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 > > RPM > > > > to 3000 RPM all the time > > > > and I have quieter cans than practically > > anything > > > > except maybe a full-blown > > > > tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas > > > > designated 25mph? You don't. > > > > > > > > > > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power > > below > > > > 5K RPM, 25mph is below > > > > > > > > > > > I won't even comment that riding in first > > gear > > > > for long periods of time > > > > is > > > > > > stupid. Second is not much better. Then > > there > > > > are HEATING issues. > > > > > > > > > > And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My > > > > engine doesn't benefit from > > > > all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc > > might > > > > have (not up to speed > > > > on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 > > > > miles worth of humming. What > > > > do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in > > low > > > > gears? Buzzing around in > > > > 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > > > > > > > > > > > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in > > the > > > > city in 95F heat. > > > > Especially > > > > > > if you wear leather. > > > > > > > > > > One mile at a time, sister. What's a little > > sweat? > > > > I wear full gear both > > > > top and bottom. And the pants aren't even > > perf'ed. > > > > Warm? Sure. But if you > > > > want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the > > cage. > > > > > > > > > > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's > > > > ability to accelerate fast. > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the > > > > proper driving solution to > > > > anything but extremely *RARE* situations where > > the > > > > only out is ahead. I see > > > > way too many riders diving in and out of way-too > > > > tight holes in response to > > > > perceived threats when hanging back would have > > been > > > > far safer. > > > > > > > > > > > comes very handy when a cage merges in you > > lane. > > > > I want to have that > > > > > > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid > > accident. > > > > Accelerate, brake, or > > > > turn. > > > > > > At 25 you take the first one away on > > most(not > > > > all) sport bikes. > > > > > > > > > > Then may I suggest you use that little button > > on > > > > the left grip called a > > > > HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual > > disks on > > > > that front wheel. I've > > > > done plenty of driving and it is not that common > > to > > > > have cagers make > > > > unannounced excursions into one's lane of > > travel. > === message truncated === > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:31:54 2001 From: "Genna Melamed" To: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:31:47 -0400 this is the site I promised about speed limits But it's a different topic http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/arguments/spar0002.html there are some links to in it Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:34:58 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: genna@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:34:49 -0400 Genna, Get over yourself. I said that I don't like to drive 25. I said that I believe that bikes should be allowed a higher speed limit than cars. I didn't say that I exceed the posted speed limit in town. Of course, I didn't say that I didn't, either. Regardless, this has nothing to do with your whining about how pathetic your Duc behaves in city traffic. With that, you can flame me or kiss my tush. It doesn't matter to me, because I'm not paying attention. I'm outta here. I think I'll go ride in the mountains for the next few days. Perry >From: "Genna Melamed" >To: "Perry Coleman" , >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:24:27 -0400 > >Perry, > >Like I said, I don't go to city > >but I believe you proved my point. You are defending 25mph but not riding >it. Seems hypocritical to me > > >Genna Melamed >genna@XXXXXX > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Perry Coleman" >To: ; >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > Genna, > > > > Simply put: The Ducati 916 is the WRONG bike for city riding. If it's >all > > you got, then YOU have to adapt - not the rest of the world. You might > > consider getting a KE100, or similar, for city riding and save the 916 >(and > > it's {in}famous clutch) for the country. > > > > And please don't extrapolate a Duc's behavior to all sportbikes... Some >of > > us prefer a little more civility and a little less Italian "panache" in >our > > everyday riding. > > > > Perry > > > > ps: And, no, I don't like to ride 25mph either. It can get hot and >tiring >on > > either my Concours or my ZX-6. It even got hot on my KZ440 and KZ1100, >when > > I had them. > > > > pps: I personally think that motorcycles should be allowed 10mph over >the > > posted limit. Sort of like trucks having a speed limit 10mph less than >cars > > on some highways. So, in town: 35mph. On the beltway: 65mph, etc. > > > > >From: "Genna Melamed" > > >To: "Matthew Patton" , > > >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:01:46 -0400 > > > > > >Please tell me where and who ever said that Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > > > > > >All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not standards, and >specifically > > >newer sport bikes. > > > > > >Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but I like ability to be >able > > >to run away from situation if needed, such as car merging into my lane. > > >You > > >may not need power as you ride, but you might need it to accelerate >quickly > > >if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, it may happen. > > > > > >You don't know what hot is until you sit in traffic at <40 on top of >916. > > >in > > >full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) exhaust pipes with all >that > > >"fancy" ducts directed right at you and engine(water) is heating up to > > >210-215F > > > > > >BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence they can be air cooled) > > > > > >Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer to slow if I can, but >in > > >some cases accelerating is a better option. > > > > > >in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to _have_ this option if I >can. > > > > > >Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What the chances of your >horn > > >being heard in sound-proof MB with closed windows, AC and cell > > >conversation? > > >I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > > > > > > > >Genna Melamed > > >genna@XXXXXX > > > > > [major snippage] > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:37:23 2001 From: "Perry Coleman" To: genna@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:37:14 -0400 Genna, Well, I thought I was done until I saw this gem. Have you driven on I-95 lately? The "prevailing" speed is more like 80-85. Whatever, I'm outta here... Perry >From: "Genna Melamed" >To: "Mark Kitchell" , >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:27:32 -0400 > >Actually, are proving my point about 25. You are obviously not keeping at >25 because you think it is too low. > >However, there have been studies done that rising/lowering speed limits has >NO effect on actual traveling speeds. > >It is easy to see on say I95. When limit was 55 prevailing speeds were >70-75. They still are with 65 limit. > >I'll find the link for such study for you. > > >Genna Melamed >genna@XXXXXX > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Kitchell" >To: "Genna Melamed" ; >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > I never ride 25 in DC, but if i get a ticket for > > speeding, its my fault, no one else's. If I cannot > > control my veichle at the speed limit, I would not > > drive it. > > > > If you raise the speedlimits in DC, then taxis are > > gonna go 80 rather than 50. Not interested. > > > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > Maybe, > > > > > > Or maybe it makes sense to keep limits at 85 > > > percentile as recommended by > > > all traffic safety engineers. Obviously with some > > > exception for school > > > zones etc. > > > > > > And BTW, I don't ride in DC mostly for all the > > > reasons I stated. > > > > > > Answer me this. Do you really ride or drive at 25 > > > in the city at all(or > > > almost all) times? > > > > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Kitchell" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > > > > Maybe the solution is to NOT drive a race replica, > > > > track-oriented, Italian bike in the city, rather > > > than > > > > changing the speed limits to simply accomodate > > > that > > > > particular veichle. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > > Please tell me where and who ever said that > > > > > Nighthawk is SPORT bike? > > > > > > > > > > All my comments are made for SPORT bikes, not > > > > > standards, and specifically > > > > > newer sport bikes. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe it's ok for you to ride with no power, but > > > I > > > > > like ability to be able > > > > > to run away from situation if needed, such as > > > car > > > > > merging into my lane. You > > > > > may not need power as you ride, but you might > > > need > > > > > it to accelerate quickly > > > > > if you have to. And no matter how *RARE* it is, > > > it > > > > > may happen. > > > > > > > > > > You don't know what hot is until you sit in > > > traffic > > > > > at <40 on top of 916. in > > > > > full leathers under sun, on top of(literally) > > > > > exhaust pipes with all that > > > > > "fancy" ducts directed right at you and > > > > > engine(water) is heating up to > > > > > 210-215F > > > > > > > > > > BTW. Air cooled bikes usually run colder(hence > > > they > > > > > can be air cooled) > > > > > > > > > > Actually, if I'm faced with situation, I prefer > > > to > > > > > slow if I can, but in > > > > > some cases accelerating is a better option. > > > > > > > > > > in fact MSF will tell you the same. I want to > > > > > _have_ this option if I can. > > > > > > > > > > Horn, is almost useless in today traffic. What > > > the > > > > > chances of your horn > > > > > being heard in sound-proof MB with closed > > > windows, > > > > > AC and cell conversation? > > > > > I use horn, but don't relay on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Matthew Patton" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:20 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engine is in at least 3rd gear and is > > > running > > > > > smoothly, so you have > > > > > power if > > > > > > > you need it and you are not jerking all the > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Funny, I don't jerk around except in 1st and > > > > > <10mph. But even then I use > > > > > the clutch to smooth things out so I don't jerk > > > > > around. Friction zone, you > > > > > know... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Ducs have very long first gear that > > > makes > > > > > it more difficult to > > > > > maintain > > > > > > > low speeds, but it applies to MOST bikes, > > > > > especially 4 cyl. > > > > > > > > > > > > I ride my 750cc Nighthawk (inline 4) at 2000 > > > RPM > > > > > to 3000 RPM all the time > > > > > and I have quieter cans than practically > > > anything > > > > > except maybe a full-blown > > > > > tourer. Since when do you need 'power' in areas > > > > > designated 25mph? You don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Typical new 600 will not produce any power > > > below > > > > > 5K RPM, 25mph is below > > > > > > > > > > > > > I won't even comment that riding in first > > > gear > > > > > for long periods of time > > > > > is > > > > > > > stupid. Second is not much better. Then > > > there > > > > > are HEATING issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > And my bike is air/oil cooled. Your point? My > > > > > engine doesn't benefit from > > > > > all that fancy duct work or fans like your Duc > > > might > > > > > have (not up to speed > > > > > on duc motors). but it keeps on humming. 56,000 > > > > > miles worth of humming. What > > > > > do you mean by it's "stupid" to ride around in > > > low > > > > > gears? Buzzing around in > > > > > 1st is annoying, sure. But 2nd is just peachy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know how long you can ride at 25 in > > > the > > > > > city in 95F heat. > > > > > Especially > > > > > > > if you wear leather. > > > > > > > > > > > > One mile at a time, sister. What's a little > > > sweat? > > > > > I wear full gear both > > > > > top and bottom. And the pants aren't even > > > perf'ed. > > > > > Warm? Sure. But if you > > > > > want A/C or to be comfortable then drive the > > > cage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of safety devices on the bike is it's > > > > > ability to accelerate fast. > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that is the squidly solution. It's not the > > > > > proper driving solution to > > > > > anything but extremely *RARE* situations where > > > the > > > > > only out is ahead. I see > > > > > way too many riders diving in and out of way-too > > > > > tight holes in response to > > > > > perceived threats when hanging back would have > > > been > > > > > far safer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes very handy when a cage merges in you > > > lane. > > > > > I want to have that > > > > > > > ability. There are 3 ways to avoid > > > accident. > > > > > Accelerate, brake, or > > > > > turn. > > > > > > > At 25 you take the first one away on > > > most(not > > > > > all) sport bikes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then may I suggest you use that little button > > > on > > > > > the left grip called a > > > > > HORN. Or your fancy 6-pot calipers and dual > > > disks on > > > > > that front wheel. I've > > > > > done plenty of driving and it is not that common > > > to > > > > > have cagers make > > > > > unannounced excursions into one's lane of > > > travel. > > === message truncated === > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:38:24 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 16:32:19 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" To: Genna Melamed CC: Paul Wilson , Cedric Bernescut , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Genna Melamed wrote: > If you have to listen to the bike or look at speedo/tach it's the same > thing, you are NOT paying attention to the road. It's the same as listening > to cell phone while you ride. Not to mention that if you have STOCK/LEGAL > pipes you won't hear much difference in 3K or 4K RPM, that's more then 10MPH > difference on most sport bikes. > HORSE PUCKY! The above isn't even close to logical. So having working ears means I won't be able to pay attention to the road? Good grief. And yes, I have EPA/DOT approved pipes. That's why I *can* hear... > > Are you trying to tell me that when you go from stop light you go until you > hit 25 on speedometer and then listen to the engine to stay at that speed? > Forgive me if I don't believe that you do it every time you ride. > Nope. I rarely look at the speedo directly. But that isn't an issue, the ability to control one's bike is the issue, and you're really incapable of controling the speed because of the *bike* ??? or lack of skill, time to take the Metro. Bill > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William J. Huson" > To: "Genna Melamed" > Cc: "Paul Wilson" ; "Cedric Bernescut" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > I've done it - no problem, on a variety of bikes, one being a frisky > Yamahonker > > sport bike. Perhaps having a good *ear* for what the engine is doing > helps. A > > few weeks on any bike and I can ear-guess the RPM very close, and RPM > translates > > into speed in any given gear. Practice practice practice, you'll get it. > > > > Bill > > > > > > Genna Melamed wrote: > > > > > I can keep it at steady speed no problem, but in clear traffic, 25 is > way > > > too low to naturally maintain. If you don't believe me, try it. Find > empty > > > street, get to 25 and then DON'T look at your speedo or RPM for 5 > minutes, I > > > guarantee that you will be at higher speed after 5 minutes. > > > > > > Genna Melamed > > > genna@XXXXXX > > > > > > - > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 16:57:27 2001 From: "Dave" To: , Subject: Re: Summit Practice Day Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:00:57 -0400 > If it rains you are NOT allowed on the track!!!! > > Keener Well at least you got a cool nickname out of the deal. All I got was a busted up bike. dave From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 17:02:22 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 14:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later To: Perry Coleman , genna@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Perry Coleman wrote: > Genna, > > Get over yourself. I said that I don't like to drive 25. > I said that I believe that bikes should be allowed a > higher speed limit than cars. I didn't say that I exceed > the posted speed limit in town. Of course, I didn't > say that I didn't, either. Regardless, this has nothing > to do with your whining about how pathetic your Duc > behaves in city traffic. notice how i haven't jumped in to defend the ducati. it really is a horrible city bike because of (1) the gearing and (2) the pitifully useless mirrors. as bad as it is in the city, i'd still rather ride it than commute via metro with the unwashed masses. > With that, you can flame me or kiss my tush. It doesn't > matter to me, because I'm not paying attention. I'm outta > here. I think I'll go ride in the mountains for the next > few days. we'll be setting up a homebase camp in or around cass, wva for thursday night. perhaps we'll see you out in the mountains. i'll be the idiot riding the yellow panache-laden torture rack.... :) > >From: "Genna Melamed" > >To: "Perry Coleman" , > > >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > >Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:24:27 -0400 > > > >Perry, > > > >Like I said, I don't go to city > > > >but I believe you proved my point. You are defending > >25mph but not riding it. Seems hypocritical to me > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Perry Coleman" > >To: ; > >Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 3:34 PM > >Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > > > > > > > ps: And, no, I don't like to ride 25mph either. It > > > can get hot and tiring on either my Concours or my ZX- > > > 6. It even got hot on my KZ440 and KZ1100, when > > > I had them. > > > > > > pps: I personally think that motorcycles should be > > > allowed 10mph over the posted limit. Sort of like > > > trucks having a speed limit 10mph less than cars > > > on some highways. So, in town: 35mph. On the beltway: > > > 65mph, etc. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 17:08:51 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:05:02 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later At 01:27 PM 7/3/01, you wrote: >If you have to listen to the bike or look at speedo/tach it's the same >thing, you are NOT paying attention to the road. It's the same as listening >to cell phone while you ride. Not to mention that if you have STOCK/LEGAL >pipes you won't hear much difference in 3K or 4K RPM, that's more then 10MPH >difference on most sport bikes. > >Are you trying to tell me that when you go from stop light you go until you >hit 25 on speedometer and then listen to the engine to stay at that speed? >Forgive me if I don't believe that you do it every time you ride. Excuse me, but that's how every good driver I've ever met (and, I'll admit, there aren't that many good ones) maintains a steady speed either in a cage or on a bike -- by ear. If you have to glance at the speedo every few second during a ten-hour ride, you're gonna be one extremely tired puppy if and when you get there. Car racers use their ears most of the time too -- you just don't have time to look at a tach for every shift, and most cars don't have settable F1-style shift lights. Dunno about cycle racers, because I'm not one. And no, it's not like a cell phone -- you don't hold an engine to your ear or ears, so it doesn't block out other sounds. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 17:16:28 2001 Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 17:12:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later At 02:16 PM 7/3/01, you wrote: >genna doesn't need to go up a gear, unless he'd like his >916 to stall out. it is humanly impossible to cruise at >25mph in second gear on a 916/996 without feathering the >[very heavy and abbreviated-life] clutch.....it's simply >geared too tall. that seems to be the underlying problem >here, and genna should probably not have generalized it to >all sportbikes. Yeah, it's true of my Falco as well. 25 is a first gear proposition, and not very comfortable there, either. That's why I'd rarely even consider riding it into the District. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 17:18:30 2001 From: "Greg Thompson" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 17:18:22 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genna Melamed" > > Quite frankly, I dare anyone here to say that they routinely ride/drive at > 25 MPH on streets when traffic permits higher speeds. Occasionally, yes, in > some places, always. routinely, I doubt it. i always, always, always drive dead on 25 for a two or three mile stretch on my way to/from work each day. i'm not focusing on the speedo or tach the whole time. i'm focusing on all of the traffic (autos, kids, etc) around the synagogue, two schools, and church that i'm driving by. do i drive faster in certain other 25 zones? you know, i bet i do. but i don't know that that's the point here. you seem to be saying that it's "hard" to go 25, so why should you? in the words of tom & ray, that's boooogus. > Not to mention that it is plainly stupid and dangerous to ride at 25 when > most cars around you go 40-45. sorry, but i go 25 in the aforementioned area no matter what the traffic around me is doing. i don't care if there are 15 cars behind me that would like to be going 40-45. screw them. it's incredibly irresponsible to drive fast in that environment. i'm happy to be slowing everyone else down. but you know what? i can still maintain my speed, watch out for suprises in front of me, AND keep and eye on my mirrors in case someone behind me decides to do something stupid. know how? i'm alert and i'm focused. any rider that can't do all of these things shouldn't be riding in traffic. > All this is made worse by 916, but my old VTR, F2 and other bikes I've > ridden(929,R6,R1,GSXRs, Mille......) were similar. > > If you have never ridden 916/748/996, try it, you will be amazed how > difficult and HOT to ride that bike slow. then it sounds like you've got the wrong tool for the job. if you want to commute through congested city streets, or school zones, or whatever, don't use your 916. that's your only bike? then either learn to live with the heat and discomfort (which you should have been aware of when you dumped all that money into it) or drive your car. > As I said, new bikes are getting more and more peaky(I4 anyway). They are > made to go faster and faster at expense of being able to ride slow > comfortably that may be true of bikes that are designed for the track, but i disagree that it's true of new bikes in general. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 18:32:28 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for lost keys - semi long Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:31:24 -0700 Youv'e got a snowballs chance in helll but a chance none the less.... anyway, for your next set, you might want to get a 'giant discount card" it has a keyring thingamabob that has one of those "if found drop into a mailbox" thingeee. oh yea, you might try shaking your bike around,and pulling your fairings off.. sometimes you can find stuff up in there hiding... i knew a girl who's ID was once in her rear shock spring. Also i used to find screwdrivers and pliers down in my tail fairing once I took it off for some work. danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 18:37:52 2001 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: License Plate Shields (was RE: It had to happen) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:36:49 -0700 On Mon, 2 Jul 2001 05:26:30 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>I saw a local news "expose" a few months ago that I once saw a sheild that I could only recognize the letters of the plate at a certain angle. That one probably works.. but.... who knows... I heard the fine for a bent down tag is pretty weak in dc.. like 50 bux. danny From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 18:38:41 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: stephen cutchins Subject: Re: Looking for lost keys - semi long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For carrying keys and small items under the tail section, I clipped a small zip-up "butt-pack" (waist pack, fanny pack, etc) under the seat to the rear subframe. Works great! Keys are in a zipped container that is clipped to the bike, so I doubt anything will be lost. In fact, I put one of those cheesy ratcheting screwdriver kits in there also, the ones with a couple dozen various phillips, straight, allen, and socket tips. Worth considering. --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Youv'e got a snowballs chance in helll but a chance > none the less.... > > anyway, for your next set, you might want to get a > 'giant discount > card" it has a keyring thingamabob that has one of > those > "if found drop into a mailbox" thingeee. > > oh yea, you might try shaking your bike around,and > pulling your > fairings off.. sometimes you can find stuff up in > there hiding... > i knew a girl who's ID was once in her rear shock > spring. > > Also i used to find screwdrivers and pliers down in > my tail fairing > once I took it off for some work. > > danny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 19:21:24 2001 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 16:20:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Honda Hoot: Bike comparison, hoot description, and tale of wo e (LONG) To: "Ledford, Calvin" , "'Keith Lamond'" , cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > A couple quick words on the bikes I road: > > Ducati 748 & 996: in a word - yuck! Tank shoved > (forcefully) in the stomach, and dry clutch combined to > make the most uncomfortable ride at the show. > > Aprilia RSV Mille R: Awesome bike! This bike blew the > 996 away! More comfortable, lot less vibration, same > power - but not so twitchy, smooth wet clutch, and > excellent handling. My recommendation :-) the duc is indeed uncomfortable....but not because of the tank-stomach thing (for me). rather, it's the wrists that take the brunt of the abuse and the hotbutt syndrome the high pipes create. the dry clutch doesn't affect the comfort for me (?), only the sound i hear when sitting. you quickly forget about all of the negatives when you wind it up and carve pavement. the mille r IS an awesome bike. however, imo it's downright ugly. for me, that's a major strike against a bike (if not the most important criteria) when i'm shopping. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 19:56:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f63NusH07273 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2001 23:56:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: Subject: RE: Looking for lost keys - semi long Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:54:02 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c10434$95a7d7e0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Hey, I'm looking for a girl just like that... ;) Niv -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 6:31 PM To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Looking for lost keys - semi long i knew a girl who's ID was once in her rear shock spring. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 21:39:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f641dPH08869 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id l.45.89ecdd0 (26117); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <45.89ecdd0.2873cdbd@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:39:09 EDT Subject: Re: Looking for lost keys - semi long To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_45.89ecdd0.2873cdbd_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_45.89ecdd0.2873cdbd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2001 6:34:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > Youv'e got a snowballs chance in helll but a chance none the less.... > > anyway, for your next set, you might want to get a 'giant discount > card" it has a keyring thingamabob that has one of those > "if found drop into a mailbox" thingeee. > > oh yea, you might try shaking your bike around,and pulling your > fairings off.. sometimes you can find stuff up in there hiding... > i knew a girl who's ID was once in her rear shock spring. > > Also i used to find screwdrivers and pliers down in my tail fairing > once I took it off for some work. > > danny > I actually forgot about that. I had a CVS tag on it that says the same thing. Maybe someone will find it and turn it in. Sounds like my "snowball" drank a little bit of that Cool Nestea and is re-crystalizing. ;-) I just put the second tag on my new keyring. I also shook the hell out of the bike and searched all through the fairings, without taking them off. Nothing. Straight shot right to the rear seat peg hole. :-( Thanks for the suggestion though. ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_45.89ecdd0.2873cdbd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2001 6:34:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes:


Youv'e got a snowballs chance in helll but a chance none the less....

anyway, for your next set, you might want to get a 'giant discount
card"  it has a keyring thingamabob that has one of those
"if found drop into a mailbox" thingeee.

oh yea, you might try shaking your bike around,and pulling your
fairings off.. sometimes you can find stuff up in there hiding...
i knew a girl who's ID was once in her rear shock spring.

Also i used to find screwdrivers and pliers down in my tail fairing
once I took it off for some work.

danny    


I actually forgot about that.  I had a CVS tag on it that says the same
thing.  Maybe someone will find it and turn it in.  Sounds like my "snowball"
drank a little bit of that Cool Nestea and is re-crystalizing.  ;-)  I just
put the second tag on my new keyring.

I also shook the hell out of the bike and searched all through the fairings,
without taking them off.  Nothing.  Straight shot right to the rear seat peg
hole.  :-(  Thanks for the suggestion though.

ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_45.89ecdd0.2873cdbd_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 21:44:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f641isH08950 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.82.c8e584b (26117); Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:44:35 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: <82.c8e584b.2873cf03@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:44:35 EDT Subject: Re: Looking for lost keys - semi long To: stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_82.c8e584b.2873cf03_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_82.c8e584b.2873cf03_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2001 6:39:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX writes: > For carrying keys and small items under the tail > section, I clipped a small zip-up "butt-pack" (waist > pack, fanny pack, etc) under the seat to the rear > subframe. Works great! Keys are in a zipped > container that is clipped to the bike, so I doubt > anything will be lost. In fact, I put one of those > cheesy ratcheting screwdriver kits in there also, the > ones with a couple dozen various phillips, straight, > allen, and socket tips. Worth considering. > Thanks for the suggestion. However, I've got a fender eliminator on the bike and "trunk" space is limited. I was actually thinking about hooking a small carabiner onto the strap that holds my "toolkit" in place. Easily accessible to clip on the keys. I've got one of those "cheesy" kits in my "toolkit" also. I think it actually works pretty good. At least for getting into tight spots. ;-) ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_82.c8e584b.2873cf03_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/2001 6:39:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
stephen_cutchins@XXXXXX writes:


For carrying keys and small items under the tail
section, I clipped a small zip-up "butt-pack" (waist
pack, fanny pack, etc) under the seat to the rear
subframe.  Works great!  Keys are in a zipped
container that is clipped to the bike, so I doubt
anything will be lost.  In fact, I put one of those
cheesy ratcheting screwdriver kits in there also, the
ones with a couple dozen various phillips, straight,
allen, and socket tips.  Worth considering.


Thanks for the suggestion.  However, I've got a fender eliminator on the bike
and "trunk" space is limited.  I was actually thinking about hooking a small
carabiner onto the strap that holds my "toolkit" in place.  Easily accessible
to clip on the keys.

I've got one of those "cheesy" kits in my "toolkit" also.  I think it
actually works pretty good.  At least for getting into tight spots.  ;-)

ScooterFZR (2000 r/w/b YZF R6) --part1_82.c8e584b.2873cf03_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 21:58:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe5.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f641w1H09166 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:45:56 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [66.44.86.37] From: "Tom Faigle" To: References: <200107032301.f63N1LJ06337@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Where to Sell '99 Harley Sportster? Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:45:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 01:45:56.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[116B8B10:01C1042B] I've been lurking here for the most part for the last few months. Anyway, a few months ago I got "on the list" for a new Harley Low Rider which was suppose to come in this September. Well I just found out that it's now going to arrive in August. Unfortunally, I'll have to sell my '99 Harley 883 Sportster to help pay for the new bike. Plus I don't have enough garage space for two bikes :-( Anyway, can someone please tell me if it's ok to advertise here, and if not is there a related board to do so, and what other places would be good to run on-line ads. I'd prefer to sell the bike to someone who will take good care of it, as I had planned to convert it to a 1200. But plans have changed and I've decided the the Low Rider is better suited to the type of riding that I've been doing. If anyones intrested or know of someone who wants a black Sportster. Please e-mail me for more details. Tom From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 22:39:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f642dkH09776 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.65]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f642dSn60209; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01c10432$89ea63c0$41a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Speedvision and NASCAR... Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:39:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, That's odd, I read a rather different take on the whole Rupert Murdoch aquisition. See: http://www.amasuperbike.com/foxbuysspeedvision1.htm Dean seems pretty upset by the news, judging from his (as always) clearly biased reporting, but many of his sources seem to think there will be a change, but perhaps mild. Time will tell. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 22:53:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f642qxH10012 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.65]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f642qjn64045; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 19:52:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101c10434$62d19f40$41a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Summit this weekend... Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 22:52:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Thanks for reminding me. I'll be there, working corners like a good ho'. Better get in touch with MAARC and get on the gate list. 'Hope to see you out there. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 3 23:46:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe56.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f643kPH10842 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 20:34:23 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: Looking for lost keys - semi long Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:36:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1607 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10419.02E8F6C0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 03:34:23.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[37AC7D70:01C1043A] ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10419.02E8F6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reminds me of the time I lost my Nokia 5190 cell phone on a highway in Te= xas. Backtracked and searched for the thing. When I finally found all t= he pieces, took it home and put it back together, the damn thing still wo= rked! Kudos to Nokia! (still have the phone too) Cliff Zigmond '93 CB750 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for lost keys - semi long =20 Well folks, like an idiot, I lost my car/apartment keys last night. I su= ited up in my full leathers (no pockets) for a late night ride, threw my = keys and wallet under the seat and took off. From DC, took 95 out toward= s Potomac Mills, turned around and came back into town in the HOV lanes. = Nothing like a nice night ride in unoccupied HOV lanes to get your adren= alin pumping. ;-) Anyway, got back into the garage and popped the seat. Take out wallet an= d go to grab keys. No keys. FUCK!!!! Everything under the seat had shi= fted due to all the road construction bumps and my keys must have bounced= into the fairing & slid out the hole for the passenger footpeg. Luckily I've got a friend who keeps a spare set for me. Never thought I'= d have to use them. :-( I can get all the keys replaced but, I lost one= car remote in the process. If any of you guys and gals who travel 95 can keep an eye out for a set o= f keys lying on the side of the road, I'd appreciate it. I know it's a l= ong shot but, it would be nice to get them back. I was in the left lane pretty much the whole way out of DC in the non-HOV= lanes. And the same for the HOV lanes. I was briefly in the outbound H= OV's from 14th street to where they switch over at the Pentagon. The key= s were in the left side of the tail so, they probably bounced out on the = left. There are 5 keys and one car remote on a brass keyring that says "= Class of 89". Anyone who finds them will have my eternal gratitude and a= case of your favorite beer. Thanks. ScooterGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explor= er.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10419.02E8F6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Reminds me of = the time I lost my Nokia 5190 cell phone on a highway in Texas.=   Backtracked and searched for the thing.  When I finally found= all the pieces, took it home and put it back together, the damn thing st= ill worked!  Kudos to Nokia!  (still have the pho= ne too)
 
Cliff Zigmond
'93 CB750&n= bsp;
 
----- Original Message -----=
From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:20 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Looking for lost keys - semi long
 = ;
Well folks, like an idiot, I lost my car/apartment keys last night= .  I suited up in my full leathers (no pockets) for a late night rid= e, threw my keys and wallet under the seat and took off.  From DC, t= ook 95 out towards Potomac Mills, turned around and came back into town i= n the HOV lanes.  Nothing like a nice night ride in unoccupied HOV l= anes to get your adrenalin pumping.  ;-)

Anyway, got back int= o the garage and popped the seat.  Take out wallet and go to grab ke= ys.  No keys.  FUCK!!!!  Everything under the seat had shi= fted due to all the road construction bumps and my keys must have bounced= into the fairing & slid out the hole for the passenger footpeg.
<= BR>Luckily I've got a friend who keeps a spare set for me.  Never th= ought I'd have to use them.  :-(  I can get all the keys replac= ed but, I lost one car remote in the process.

If any of you guys a= nd gals who travel 95 can keep an eye out for a set of keys lying on the = side of the road, I'd appreciate it.  I know it's a long shot but, i= t would be nice to get them back.

I was in the left lane pretty mu= ch the whole way out of DC in the non-HOV lanes.  And the same for t= he HOV lanes.  I was briefly in the outbound HOV's from 14th street = to where they switch over at the Pentagon.  The keys were in the lef= t side of the tail so, they probably bounced out on the left.  There= are 5 keys and one car remote on a brass keyring that says "Class of 89"= .  Anyone who finds them will have my eternal gratitude and a case o= f your favorite beer.  Thanks.

Scooter

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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10419.02E8F6C0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 01:09:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ntsvr_1.HOME1.local (cc636515-b.owml1.md.home.com [24.23.39.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6459IH12044 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gennapc2000 ([192.168.0.5]) by ntsvr_1.HOME1.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:09:54 -0400 Message-ID: <004901c10447$90283db0$0500a8c0@gennapc2000> From: "Genna Melamed" To: References: Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 01:09:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2001 05:09:54.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[90174DC0:01C10447] Ok, this thread obviously gone too far, so I will just try one last time to explain myself and be done with it. Please refer to http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/arguments/spar0002.html for speed limit change consequences. So, here it is: I95 between Baltimore and DC prevailing speed in non-rush hour is about 70-75. I know that because I drive at around 80 most of the time and pass more then most of cars. Also, we are all not race drivers(usually). Race drivers care mostly about two things: go as fast as possible and pass the car in front of you(if possible and there is one). Street drivers have to pay attention to a lot more things. And yes, while comparison to cell phone is not very good, paying _close_ attention to sound of the bike does distract you, even a little. Actually paying _close_ attention to ANYTHING other then traffic around you distract you. So yes, you can pay some attention to the sound of the bike or speedo, but not really enough to stay at speed that is not comfortable(this is both too slow or too fast) based on mostly your VISION. Actually, majority of race car drivers DON'T listen to car as driving aid, but rather for "mechanical health" purpose. Most race cars have light warnings to switch gears and most drivers know what gear they have to be in at each point of each race circuit. Unless you have musical ears, you won't be able to tell if you are at redline or 300RPM before it (unless of course rev-limiter hits and that is not good technique) As far as 25mph(or any other limit). For those people that ride/drive at that speed limit, I can say you have a lot of restraint, patience, and, most importantly, have a good, valid reason to argue with me. All others, it is illogical to say that I must drive the limit, yet you won't. There is only one reason you don't drive/ride at the limit. You think/feel it is too slow. The same way I feel. The argument to keep limits too low so that people will not drive even faster is not a good one. Raise limits, make more fines for breaking it. That is fine by me. I actually don't give a damn about limits in DC or their cameras. I drive in DC very rarely, maybe couple times a year. and my V1 will sniff out those speed cameras. Yes everyone can ride at 25, even on 916, I can do it as well. I choose not to most of the time because I think it is ridiculously slow in most places, has very little safety benefits, and requires a lot of effort I don't need to waist. This was the same for EVERY other bike I owned, so it's not Ducati issue. Every study on speeds comes to one conclusion. People ride/drive at the speed they are comfortable with on given road at given time, REGARDLESS the limit. Some are comfortable at the limit, most are not(for most limits in MD, VA, DC, and USA as well). The only thing that low limit does is create REASON for cops to stop almost everyone on the road. You want to live like that, sure go ahead. I don't. I want laws to reflect reality and common sense, not some wishful thinking or work as tax collection. The speed cameras are employed in many countries in the world and here is the effect. People slow for them and then speed up as soon as they pass them. This only creates traffic jam around the cameras and has no net effect on overall speed. Believe me, I've been to many countries and this is exactly how it is done. Anyway, everyone is entitle to their opinions, but mine, I think is based on reality of things, yours is based on hope. Genna. genna@XXXXXX P.S. If anyone wants to debate this further(I don't really) take it of the list and use private mail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perry Coleman" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later > Genna, > > Well, I thought I was done until I saw this gem. Have you driven on I-95 > lately? The "prevailing" speed is more like 80-85. > > Whatever, I'm outta here... > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 10:25:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.254.137]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64EPVH21170 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (pop700 [128.183.254.131]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24227 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from verizon.net (sunset.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.221.159]) by popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22744 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B432704.E7201DD9@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:24:04 -0400 From: Robert Rapp Reply-To: bikn.bob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: iso list lurker: smthng Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit smthing: I've sold the VFR. Thanks for inquiring. I lost your email when forwarding from another mail app. Everyone else: Sorry for the needless bandwidth. Please disregard. Thanks, Bob '89 HawkGT '97 VFR (sold) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 10:56:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64EuKH21652 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id h.14.167fe396 (6397); Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <14.167fe396.28748837@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:54:47 EDT Subject: Re: Summit this weekend... To: HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_14.167fe396.28748837_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_14.167fe396.28748837_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/01 10:53:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX writes: > Thanks for reminding me. I'll be there, working corners like a good > ho'. Better get in touch with MAARC and get on the gate list. 'Hope to see > Not a problem. Glad I could remind ya. :) Keener --part1_14.167fe396.28748837_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/3/01 10:53:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX writes:

    Thanks for reminding me. I'll be there, working corners like a good
ho'. Better get in touch with MAARC and get on the gate list. 'Hope to see
you out there.


Not a problem.  Glad I could remind ya.  :)

Keener --part1_14.167fe396.28748837_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 11:04:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64F42H21802 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.31.17241248 (4247) for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <31.17241248.28748a56@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 11:03:50 EDT Subject: Re: Looking for lost keys - semi long To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/3/2001 6:34:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > Also i used to find screwdrivers and pliers down in my tail fairing > once I took it off for some work. > I once had my own 9mm wrench drop out of who knows where and jam its big end thru my rear tire in the middle of Alligator ally, in the Everglades swamp. If I dropped my ignition key on my BMW it would always disappear into the fairing, black key, black interior. I sometimes wound up shaking the bike in the hope of shaking out the damn key. I expect I looked damn funny. Lots of riding... Lots of stories. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 12:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64G3MH22723 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-87-143.s524.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.87.143]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Hp7X-0001Xg-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:03:20 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The 2000 zx6r and I went CRUNCH this morning at 4 a.m. Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:01:25 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f64G4FH22724 To make a long story short: I was leaving dc via NY ave. I was in the far right lane going through the interesection at bladensburg rd. at 4 a.m. A lost young lady concenred about her muffler dragging, and her passenger spotting a place to turn "hey you can turn right here" results her trying to make a right turn from the middle "straight only" lane. I hit my brakes, I hit her car. then the ground. The bike hits the ground then goes up on the sidewalk on bladensburg rd. There's a lot of damage to the bike, but nothing I can't fix. It's technically totalled for the cost of parts and labor. ( I am happy about that, her insurance has to pay me ) I'm okay. Just a little sore on my left side from hitting the car and the ground. I had my full leathers, with all it's padding.. so I think that helped a lot. I'm glad I excersized the good judgement to wear the pants. I just don't feel comfortable without them. And the proof is in the pudding, stuff happens beyond your best intentions. To make a short story long: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sportbikerider/messages/44 I guess those insurance questions now apply to me Danny hmm drive today or re-assemble the other bike and ride? hmmmmm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 12:09:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64G9IH22812 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.215.152.254.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [63.215.152.254]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25609; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 12:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B434022.FB292D8A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 12:11:14 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: lisa@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell Subject: Bike Night update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Y'all, Just to update you on what's going on with Bike Night... "Ride to Lunch" on Wednesday, July 18th as part of Ride To Work Day at 3 locations: Grevey's in Falls Church, VA; The Rock in DC; and Louisiana Express in Bethesda, MD. Next Bike Night is on Tuesday, July 17th at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA, 5-9pm. And we're doing our first Bike Night in Maryland ... thanks to the efforts of Lisa Goddard. She really gets all the credit for this one. Sunday, July 29th at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda, MD, 5-9pm. We'll be back at CarPool in Arlington, VA on Sunday, August 12th, 5-9pm. All the details are on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 13:26:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64HQ8H23944 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-87-143.s524.tnt4.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.87.143]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15HqPe-0002HR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:26:06 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2000-2001 kawasaki zx6r parts wanted Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 13:24:03 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f64HR3H23945 2000-2001 zx6r parts wanted Front upper & left side plastic preferably in some kind of red paint scheme. scratches are ok. maybe you might know of some insurance take off's sitting at a bike shop, or from a friend. Or race take offs. or a complete set of plastics any color. left side foot peg bracket and shift rod. (a 98-99 model might work too) the damage isn't really all that bad, those are just the cracked up parts that I don't have. Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 13:44:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11203.mail.yahoo.com (web11203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f64HiZH24266 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010704174433.29320.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.24.208.97] by web11203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 10:44:33 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:44:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Carb Cleaner??? To: DC Cycles , SOC USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, I need a little guidance here. Prior to this year, I never wrenched my own bike due to lack of space, time, and knowledge. I now have the space, the time, and a Clymers manual. I'd like to begin wrenching and saving the time/money of taking it to a dealer. Here are my problematic symptoms for my Suzuki GS500: When I fire up the bike on full choke, it takes maybe 10 minutes to scream at idle (4k rpm). After about 5 minutes of idle, if I open the throttle, she'll tach up to 4k or so. I then reduce the choke to about half to bring it back down to 1k. I'll ride about 3-4 minutes and come to a stop and many times the bike will conk out. If I keep the revs up at my stop, she'll hold. It will always refire immediately. After about 20-30 minutes of riding, I can close the choke to its lowest level and it wont stall. I have messed around with the idle adjustement which helped when first starting up for the day. But after 20 minutes of riding, at a stop, it tachs at 3,000. If I reduce the idle adjustment, it takes longer to warm up in the morning. I recently had a basic tune up down at CAD with new new plugs and fluids. But they didn't touch the carbs or anything else. Is this a carb issue? It's been about 6000 miles and two years since the carbs were worked on/ cleaned up. Can I use regular carb cleaner that goes in the gas tank in a twin? Unrelated to the engine issue... Anyone suggest good earplugs? I have trouble keeping the cheapies in when I put my helmet on. If they stay in, they always fall out when I take my helmet off. Thanks. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 13:59:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f64HxhH24494 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO jefflg) (209.147.78.216) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 17:59:40 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Suzookus Maximus" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/03/01 Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200107032301.f63N1LJ06337@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 You shouldn't have to look down to know how fast you are going. If you know that 25 mph is 3-4k you should be able to 'hear' when you are speeding. Also, you've got a 916 right? -- should have massive torque -- put it in second and it won't be that jerky. :) (just guessing -- never rode a 916 b4...) Most of the streets in my community are 25 mph and I have no problem roaming around in second. -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus >>From: "Genna Melamed" >>Subject: Re: It had to happen sooner or later >>Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 11:55:37 -0400 >> >>No offence, but 25mph is nearly impossible to maintain riding >>any sort of >>sports bike for any (longer then a minute or so) period of >>time. You can >>force yourself to do it if you look at speedometer all the >>time, but i think >>that is a lot less safe then looking at traffic/pedestrians. >> >>25mph is about 3-4K RPM in FIRST gear on mine. very jerky >> >> >>Genna Melamed >>genna@XXXXXX >>'97 916 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 14:18:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64IIvH24814 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-33.patriot.net [209.249.180.33]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f64IHKp11817; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 14:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3B435C4A.5E497DEA@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 14:11:22 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Rosenstock CC: DC Cycles , SOC USA Subject: Re: Carb Cleaner??? References: <20010704174433.29320.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm... I have the exact same problem with a `96 Kawi 600. I yanked the rack-o-carbs (4) and cleaned them, but no report yet. Getting the damn thangs back on proved to be a bugger-bear. After much fussing and air-bluing cussing I have two of four intake boots *almost* hooked up. I've made a solemn vow never to work on jap crap again. It's so frigging cramped one has to remove the gas tank to change plugs. Methinks a weak battery or weak coils might cause the same symptoms. Now that would piss me off, finding out the prob was a crapped battery cell. Didn't think of that until all my knuckles were allready skinned, and now I can't find my &*^$^% VOM! Bill Matthew Rosenstock wrote: > Ok, I need a little guidance here. Prior to this year, > I never wrenched my own bike due to lack of space, > time, and knowledge. I now have the space, the time, > and a Clymers manual. I'd like to begin wrenching and > saving the time/money of taking it to a dealer. Here > are my problematic symptoms for my Suzuki GS500: > > When I fire up the bike on full choke, it takes maybe > 10 minutes to scream at idle (4k rpm). After about 5 > minutes of idle, if I open the throttle, she'll tach > up to 4k or so. I then reduce the choke to about half > to bring it back down to 1k. I'll ride about 3-4 > minutes and come to a stop and many times the bike > will conk out. If I keep the revs up at my stop, > she'll hold. It will always refire immediately. After > about 20-30 minutes of riding, I can close the choke > to its lowest level and it wont stall. > > I have messed around with the idle adjustement which > helped when first starting up for the day. But after > 20 minutes of riding, at a stop, it tachs at 3,000. If > I reduce the idle adjustment, it takes longer to warm > up in the morning. > > I recently had a basic tune up down at CAD with new > new plugs and fluids. But they didn't touch the carbs > or anything else. Is this a carb issue? It's been > about 6000 miles and two years since the carbs were > worked on/ cleaned up. > > Can I use regular carb cleaner that goes in the gas > tank in a twin? > > Unrelated to the engine issue... Anyone suggest good > earplugs? I have trouble keeping the cheapies in when > I put my helmet on. If they stay in, they always fall > out when I take my helmet off. > > Thanks. > > Matt > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 16:01:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f64K1jH26372 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 1292 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 13:01:37 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 13:01:37 -0700 X-Sent: 4 Jul 2001 20:01:37 GMT Message-ID: <003a01c104c4$6c1e22e0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: <11d.12bda80.28735140@aol.com> Subject: Re: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:03:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Brian and I will be there racing too. ;-) Also, Niv will be up there on Saturday. Hope to see some fellow DC Cyclers! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? > > I'll be up there racing and was wondering if anybody was gonna come up and > say hi. Who knows...I might even have a racebike or two this > weekend....maybe even a truck. (Seems I blew up my SV700 AND my Expedition > last weekend when I was racing in Savannah Georgia.) > > My number is 3. (Same as my IQ according to my parents.) > > Keener > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 16:02:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f64K2nH26382 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 1890 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 13:02:42 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 13:02:42 -0700 X-Sent: 4 Jul 2001 20:02:42 GMT Message-ID: <004b01c104c4$92c88340$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dave" , References: <001701c103fa$f422e740$39200340@dcpiii1000> Subject: Re: Summit Practice Day Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 16:04:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Bri and I are going. We're leaving tomorrow morning around 6. Bikes number 869 and 699. come say hi! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Summit Practice Day > Any of you racer types going to the summit point practice day Thursday? Im > thinking about dusting off my license and bike and getting a day of practice > in before I jump back into racing. This assumes I can still fit into my > leathers. > > dave > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 17:34:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64LYcH27702 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id p.c0.16aa3a8d (6397); Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:34:30 EDT Subject: Re: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c0.16aa3a8d.2874e5e6_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_c0.16aa3a8d.2874e5e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Brian and I will be there racing too. ;-) Also, Niv will be up there on > Saturday. Wooohooo. Be nice to me. I might be peddling. :-)) --part1_c0.16aa3a8d.2874e5e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Brian and I will be there racing too. ;-)  Also, Niv will be up there on
Saturday.  Hope to see some fellow DC Cyclers!


Wooohooo.  Be nice to me.  I might be peddling.  :-)) --part1_c0.16aa3a8d.2874e5e6_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 17:45:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f64Lj9H27921 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22792 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2001 14:45:02 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 4 Jul 2001 14:45:02 -0700 X-Sent: 4 Jul 2001 21:45:02 GMT Message-ID: <003401c104d2$f2e016e0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: Subject: Re: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:47:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C104B1.6B0E3420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C104B1.6B0E3420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ah, come on now keener...even if you're peddling, you know you're still = going to go faster than I am! LOL=20 Laura ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SKeener2@XXXXXX=20 To: lgranato@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? Brian and I will be there racing too. ;-) Also, Niv will be up = there on=20 Saturday. Hope to see some fellow DC Cyclers! Wooohooo. Be nice to me. I might be peddling. :-))=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C104B1.6B0E3420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ah, come on now keener...even if you're = peddling,=20 you know you're still going to go faster than I am! LOL
 
Laura
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 SKeener2@XXXXXX=20
To: lgranato@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX =
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 = 5:34=20 PM
Subject: Re: Anybody going to = Summit=20 Point this weekend?


Brian and I will be there racing too. ;-)  Also, = Niv will=20 be up there on
Saturday.  Hope to see some fellow DC=20 Cyclers!

Wooohooo.  Be nice to me.  I = might be=20 peddling.  :-)) ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C104B1.6B0E3420-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 17:46:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f64LkXH27931 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id p.12d.f46c9b (6397); Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:46:26 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12d.f46c9b.2874e8b2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:46:26 EDT Subject: Re: Anybody going to Summit Point this weekend? To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12d.f46c9b.2874e8b2_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 --part1_12d.f46c9b.2874e8b2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ah, come on now keener...even if you're peddling, you know you're still > I can wish. Right now I have to see what bikes are going to make an appearance this weekend. Ugh. --part1_12d.f46c9b.2874e8b2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
ah, come on now keener...even if you're peddling, you know you're still
going to go faster than I am! LOL


I can wish.  Right now I have to see what bikes are going to make an
appearance this weekend.  Ugh. --part1_12d.f46c9b.2874e8b2_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 4 23:13:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f653DRH02889 for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 23:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BEGreenfield@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.69.179bef3a (3758) for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 23:13:17 -0400 (EDT) From: BEGreenfield@XXXXXX Message-ID: <69.179bef3a.2875354d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 23:13:17 EDT Subject: newbie question about signals on 95 Kawa EX500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 125 I've got a question that I'm hoping someone can provide a simple answer to: I had my bike (95 Kawa EX500) parked in DC recently and somehow (someone?) it got knocked over resulting in a broken lens on my right front turn signal. My question is this: Do the front signals on a 95 Kawa EX500 remain on when the bike is running (from my careful observation of the list, I've gathered these are called running position lights or something....can you tell I'm a novice?)? The signals blink as expected, but I don't remember them remaining on at all times before this little incident happened. I'd appreciate someone's simple wisdom on this. Further, any suggestions on where to pick up a new lens for the signal, or a whole new signal w/post since the post is cracked? Anyone tried bikebandit.com for parts? Thanks much. Brent From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 08:20:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (web3804.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65CKGH11900 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 08:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705122013.26780.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.120] by web3804.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:20:13 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 05:20:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: newbie question about signals on 95 Kawa EX500 To: BEGreenfield@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <69.179bef3a.2875354d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brent, Not to worry. The front signal lights are on while the bike is running, the back ones are off. This is normal. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 09:31:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (xcgca811.corp.logicon.com [137.51.212.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65DVeH13067 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 137.51.212.181 by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 05 Jul 2001 06:31:23 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Received: by xcgca811.corp.logicon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <316MRSVX>; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:31:23 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr@XXXXXX'" Subject: Insurance Problems Update Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 06:31:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thought I'd post an update since my original post on "Insurance Problems" created such interest last week. Progressive finally came around after a lot of foot dragging. They accepted their own pictures (duh...) as proof of repaired damages from my previous claim. I received a settlement of $4,450 for my totaled '95 VFR (average retail + tax & title less deductible). Taking the money and buying a '97 VFR (11k miles) I found in NC for $4,750. The owner says the bike is in prime condition. Good deal I think since I get a newer bike with 20k less miles for just a couple of bills out of my own pocket. And Progressive will continue coverage on my new acquisition. All's well that ends well. Steve Warrenton, VA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 10:22:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (web3804.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.175]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65EMhH13916 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705142241.6205.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.120] by web3804.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:22:41 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" This article may be interesting to some listers: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5093616,00.html Cut and paste the URL if it wraps to two lines. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 10:34:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11003.mail.yahoo.com (web11003.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65EYZH14127 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705143430.15027.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11003.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:34:30 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010705142241.6205.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If I ever get a rental car that is monitored remotely by the company out will come the leatherman. I hear those things don't work without power and antennas. I will have to get the extra insurance of course. "Honestly Mr Renatal Car Agent Guy. These malicious vandals only wanted th GPS. Must be some kind of a new cult or gang thing" Trey "have monkey wrench - will travel" --- Chris Weaver wrote: > "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" > > This article may be interesting to some listers: > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5093616,00.html > > Cut and paste the URL if it wraps to two lines. > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 10:35:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65EZgH14206 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.cb.132904c4 (25309); Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:35:29 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:35:29 EDT Subject: Re: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" To: chris_vtr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" > > This article may be interesting to some listers: > > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5093616,00.html > > Cut and paste the URL if it wraps to two lines. Thanks for the information. Finally a voice of reason coming from the courts. Keener From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 10:46:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65EkfH14418 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705144639.28421.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 07:46:39 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Non Moto: Immigration Attorney To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone knows a good immigration attorney, please let me know. Thanks Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 11:14:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65FEtH14895 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-199-117.s117.apx1k.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.199.117] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15IApx-0001Zd-00 ; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:14:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c10565$d2de3be0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Cc: "VFRLIST" Subject: Rider goes for a swim inside a 'Stich (LVFRC) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:17:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 OK, here's another "Aerostich Roadcrafter one-piece sucks in the rain" testimonial. I went on a 400-mile loop yesterday out to W.Va and back. I checked the weather forecast, which called for late day t-storms possibly severe, so I opted for my second-hand 'Stich in lieu of full leathers, just in case, since I don't have a decent rain suit. In a heavy rain, I know it's going to leak some, but nothing like perfed leathers. In the back of my mind I also wanted to test whether the recent Velcro replacement I had done on the suit would slow the influx of water at the crotch. Coming east out of Front Royal, Va. the heavens darkened to pitch black. I stopped to put the rain cover on my tank bag and zip up the vents on the suit and then I rode into a deluge of Biblical proportions. It poured for a good thirty to forty minutes. Since the storm was moving my way I decided just to ride through; there was no point in pulling off under an overpass; I'd just catch up with it again. Anyway after two minutes of that my Aerostich began leaking buckets of water through the main zipper, at the crotch, and I was drenched from the waist down in short order. Despite what you may have read, it's not the seams that are the problem, (I stayed perfectly dry above the waist) it's the main zipper and the too narrow weather flap that doesn't seal very well near the bottom. The Roadcrafter needs a much bigger and longer weather flap over the main zipper with a grown up piece of Velcro, not the wimpy 3/4" that doesn't mate up well and tends to come undone once it flexes when you sit down. I'm convinced that would solve 95% of the problems I'm having. Part of the problem may be that the previous owner was a little more "amply proportioned" in the mid section than me, and the suit could be a bit stretched and the Velcro is not mate very well near the bottom of the weather flap, but I continue to be frustrated at the poor wet weather performance, even after getting the Velcro replaced. I was doing some miserably cold wet riding last winter due to the same problem. Simply put, on rides in varying weather conditions I cannot depend on this suit to keep me comfortable and reasonably dry. I'm not asking for bone dry, just to not get soaked from the waist down to the point where my boots are filling up with water from the *inside.* I'm convinced I'm better off wearing full leathers at all times and keeping a rain suit within reach. The 'Stich is great in dry weather and for most conditions, but when the clouds thicken I start to worry. It wasn't that big of a deal since I was only an hour from home when it happened, but it could be misery on a long tour if I still had four or five hours to go through heavy rain. BTW, the Dunlop D207s performed very well in the rain. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 11:20:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fastandwily.com (003.066.021.004.virginia.com [4.21.66.3] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65FKjH15053 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:18:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200107051118.AA228000002@fastandwily.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Scott Luttrell" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycle mailing list" , Subject: Need an F4 seat to race this weekend X-Mailer: Anyone have an F4 seat I can borrow for the weekend? Got a great deal on some race plastic but the tail uses the stock seat which I no longer have. UPS has one coming coming but it won't be here till Monday, one race weekend too late. If anyone can help me out drop me a line thanks. Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 11:26:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ems.elever.com ([168.143.209.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65FQ6H15097 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21299 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jul 2001 15:25:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@XXXXXX) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 15:25:59 -0000 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Mitchell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The contract was vague. The court interpreted the contract and decided in favor of the 'consumer'. According the the URL: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5093616,00.html it appears the issue is that the company charged the $150 per incidence of "dangerous" conduct, which does seem subjective, IMHO. But what if the contract had been clear about the company's intentions? Should customers be protected from clear, but unusual contractual language? We have to be responsible for what we sign. The fact that social pressure and other factors conspire to cause 95% (my estimate) of car rental customers to NOT read the contract is a problem that the courts cannot solve. For the sake of argument, lets say that a study existed that showed that people who NEVER break the speed limit have an extremely low rate of at-fault accidents. Clearly, car rental companies should have the right to seek out those particular customers who don't speed and do business with only those people. And if their agreement includes monitoring devices and private assessment/adjudication of penalties, so be it. The cost per day? In order for myself to engage in such an agreement, I would CHARGE THEM $99.99 per day to drive their car under such constraints. But hey, its a free market. Will Mitchell 99 VFR On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 SKeener2@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" >> >> This article may be interesting to some listers: >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5093616,00.html >> >> Cut and paste the URL if it wraps to two lines. > >Thanks for the information. Finally a voice of reason coming from the >courts. > >Keener > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 12:40:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65GeYH16409 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28291; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B449614.D12D647F@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:30:12 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Wilson CC: dc-cycles list , VFRLIST Subject: Re: Rider goes for a swim inside a 'Stich (LVFRC) References: <002801c10565$d2de3be0$bb82fea9@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Wilson wrote: > OK, here's another "Aerostich Roadcrafter one-piece sucks in the rain" > testimonial. Snip Paul, I highly recommend that you pick up a set of Frogg Toggs rain gear. http://www.froggtoggs.com/index%20page.html I got to try mine out for the first time last night. 40 minuets of after fire works, Baltimore city traffic. The only thing wet, was the hair that was sticking out the bottom of my helmet. Kept me dry during the fire works, too. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 12:58:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65Gw5H16737 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mitko10 (mitko1.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.47.173]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f65Gveu00482; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010705125606.00c26cb0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:58:50 -0400 To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" , Paul Wilson From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Rider goes for a swim inside a 'Stich (LVFRC) Cc: dc-cycles list , VFRLIST In-Reply-To: <3B449614.D12D647F@peabody.jhu.edu> References: <002801c10565$d2de3be0$bb82fea9@palladio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > I highly recommend that you pick up a set of Frogg Toggs rain > gear. > >http://www.froggtoggs.com/index%20page.html > > I got to try mine out for the first time last night. 40 minuets of after >fire works, Baltimore city traffic. The only thing wet, was the hair that was >sticking out the bottom of my helmet. Kept me dry during the fire works, too. Steve, I've seen these at a couple of motorcycle shows- the only concern I had was a friend said they were loud...i.e flapping in the wind and making a lot of noise- have you found this to be true or not an issue? I am talking not just riding to get out of the rain, but long distances. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 13:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65HQaH17213 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) id <0GG000301GFGX0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0GG000288GFGUO@XXXXXX>; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:26:07 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:26:01 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Re: Rider goes for a swim inside a 'Stich (LVFRC) To: "'wilsonl@XXXXXX'" , "'stevied@XXXXXX'" , "'pawilson@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68068077C@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain I'd like to know also - I saw these at the hoot and found hem to be totally water proof, but they looked very noisy. -Calvin -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 13:28:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65HS1H17308 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA25976; Thu, 5 Jul 1973 13:37:32 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 1973 13:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: BEGreenfield@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: newbie question about signals on 95 Kawa EX500 In-Reply-To: <69.179bef3a.2875354d@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Look at the bulb. One filament means turn signal only. Two filaments means running lights, too. --garcia "It seemed like a good idea...at the time." On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 BEGreenfield@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a question that I'm hoping someone can provide a simple answer to: > > I had my bike (95 Kawa EX500) parked in DC recently and somehow (someone?) it > got knocked over resulting in a broken lens on my right front turn signal. > My question is this: Do the front signals on a 95 Kawa EX500 remain on when > the bike is running (from my careful observation of the list, I've gathered > these are called running position lights or something....can you tell I'm a > novice?)? The signals blink as expected, but I don't remember them remaining > on at all times before this little incident happened. I'd appreciate > someone's simple wisdom on this. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 13:29:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9706.mail.yahoo.com (web9706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65HTIH17320 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705172916.24825.qmail@web9706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.48] by web9706.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:29:16 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Work to Ride... To: DCC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dunno if this has been brought up recently, as I've been unable to keep up with DCC lately, but in case no one has mentioned it... http://www.ridetowork.org/ads/LetterSizePoster.pdf July 18th is the 10th annual Ride to Work Day. I'll wave if you will :) Rich '00 Triumph Sprint ST __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 13:38:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9704.mail.yahoo.com (web9704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65Hc1H17523 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705173759.78075.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.48] by web9704.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:37:59 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 10:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Frog Togs To: pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steven wrote... > I highly recommend that you pick up a set of Frogg Toggs rain > gear. > >http://www.froggtoggs.com/index%20page.html > I saw these at the Philly show. They look pretty cool. I just have one caution. Even though they look and feel like something other than plastic, they *melt* very quickly when contacting a hot exhaust pipe. Saw this during our IPW at NOVA. Bruce had just put on a new set of Frog Togs, when he brushed against a hot pipe. Suddenly there was a 12 inch by 6 inch hole in the leg of the pants. FWIW, YMMV, etc. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 14:05:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65I5TH18024 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05547; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B44A98C.1EDC24C@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:53:17 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lori Wilson CC: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles list Subject: Re: Rider goes for a swim inside a 'Stich (LVFRC) References: <002801c10565$d2de3be0$bb82fea9@palladio> <4.2.2.20010705125606.00c26cb0@mail.ncifcrf.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lori Wilson wrote: > > I highly recommend that you pick up a set of Frogg Toggs rain > > gear. > > > >http://www.froggtoggs.com/index%20page.html > > > > I got to try mine out for the first time last night. 40 minuets of after > >fire works, Baltimore city traffic. The only thing wet, was the hair that was > >sticking out the bottom of my helmet. Kept me dry during the fire works, too. > > Steve, > I've seen these at a couple of motorcycle shows- the only concern I had was > a friend said they were loud...i.e flapping in the wind and making a lot of > noise- have you found this to be true or not an issue? I am talking not > just riding to get out of the rain, but long distances. Lori, Mine don't flap in the wind, but at Americade, I was able to try on a couple of sizes to get a good fit. Nothing extra to flap in the wind. They'll even let you mix sizes to make sure you get a good fit. i.e.: Large top, Medium pants. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 14:28:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.ncifcrf.gov (mail.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.100.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65ISBH18391 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mitko10 (mitko1.NCIFCRF.GOV [129.43.47.173]) by mail.ncifcrf.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f65IRLu11570; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010705142525.00c32440@mail.ncifcrf.gov> X-Sender: wilsonl@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:28:31 -0400 To: Scratch , pawilson@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lori Wilson Subject: Re: Frog Togs In-Reply-To: <20010705173759.78075.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >I saw these at the Philly show. They look pretty >cool. I just have one caution. Even though they look >and feel like something other than plastic, they >*melt* very quickly when contacting a hot exhaust >pipe. Saw this during our IPW at NOVA. Bruce had >just put on a new set of Frog Togs, when he brushed >against a hot pipe. Suddenly there was a 12 inch by 6 >inch hole in the leg of the pants. When I saw these Frog Toggs at the Philly show, the guy who was selling them recommended sewing the fabric that covers an ironing board on the areas of the pants that could potentially come in contact with hot pipes. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 14:32:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11207.mail.yahoo.com (web11207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.189]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65IWtH18484 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705183244.71205.qmail@web11207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11207.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 11:32:44 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Ride to Lunch Day To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Due to lack of interest in Fingers and Claws in Rockville, I have decided to sacrifice and take an extra long lunch and meet the folks in Bethesda. Therefore, there is no "official" meeting at Fingers and Claws. That is all. Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 15:41:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from webmailmta.go.com ([204.202.140.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65Jf2H19532 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gomailjtp04 ([10.212.0.164]) by mta07.seamail.go.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.10.12.16.25.p8) with ESMTP id <0GG0005OWME0JS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Subject: Good Deal on GPS 3+ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <1729303.994361689680.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: GoMail 3.0.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.rei-outlet.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=9699971&prmenbr=8000 $239.93 for a Garmin GPS 3+. ___________________________________________________ GO.com Mail Get Your Free, Private E-mail at http://mail.go.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 16:30:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f65KUVH20436 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f65KUOq02681 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:30:24 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010705162637.0289de20@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:28:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Good Deal on GPS 3+ In-Reply-To: <1729303.994361689680.JavaMail.Arlington22201@gomailjtp04> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:34 PM 7/5/01, Aaron wrote: >$239.93 for a Garmin GPS 3+. I think the GPS3+ is being phased out. The emap seems to be its replacement, running ~$180. emap is pretty cool. Haven't used mine on a trip yet though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 16:51:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13002.mail.yahoo.com (web13002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65KpBH20803 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705205109.9704.qmail@web13002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.244.85.97] by web13002.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:51:09 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:51:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Good Deal on GPS 3+ To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010705162637.0289de20@mail.troutman.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > At 03:34 PM 7/5/01, Aaron wrote: > >$239.93 for a Garmin GPS 3+. > > I think the GPS3+ is being phased out. The emap seems to be its > replacement, running ~$180. emap is pretty cool. Haven't used mine on a > trip yet though. Actually it's being replaced with the GPS V. With the GPS V, you can now have autorouting, which provides access to the shortest and fastest routes, turn-by-turn directions (throughout North America, including major cities), and estimated time of arrival at your intended destinationM-^Wall packaged in a small handheld GPS. Along the way, the GPS V provides display prompts with audible beeps that alert the driver to necessary turns, distance to upcoming turns, course deviation, and distance to final destination. More at http://www.garmin.com/products/gps5/index.html Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Planner, MD20-20 http://www.masondixon20-20.org/ Home Page: http://members.nbci.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 16:54:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13808.mail.yahoo.com (web13808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65KswH20843 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010705205456.2816.qmail@web13808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13808.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:54:56 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Non Moto: Web Development Needed To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am in need of the services of a top-notch web development company. My company is putting together a database/website to assist in delivery of consulting/market research results to our clients. We have been using a very small firm that has gotten us a decent start, but have been unable to really finish it as we want it, and may not be able to support us long-term. So, we are NOT interested in a very small shop, but in a more established, industry leader. If you can recommend a firm, please drop me a note off-line at mkitchell@XXXXXX. Thanks very much, Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 19:31:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f65NVWH23477 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2001 23:31:29 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: CO2 Cartriges Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 19:28:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c105c3$5c764160$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I got to wonderin' - will my standard tire puncture kit take the C02 cartriges sold for pellet guns etc. ? They seem to run much cheaper than those sold at MC shops. Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 20:08:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f66081H24040 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.88]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f6607tn20729 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101c105af$b1c24880$58a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Re: Good Deal on GPS 3+ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:07:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Who knows GPS' pretty well around here? Is this a pretty good deal or what? I have been jonesin' for a GPS for some time now for my trips to Mid-O, Skyline/BRP, VIR, etc., and would really like to get one in my posession before I leave in two weeks. Can anyone point me in a good direction for a well-equipped GPS? This $239 price range seems pretty good, but I'd be willing to guess I'll have to step up to about $275- $300, which is OK by me I guess. You can't make an omlette without crackin' a coupla' eggs. >Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:34:49 -0700 (PDT) >From: Aaron >Subject: Good Deal on GPS 3+ >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >http://www.rei-outlet.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=9699971 &prmenbr=8000 > >$239.93 for a Garmin GPS 3+. > Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project "I played poker with tarot cards last night. I got a full house and four people died." -- Steven Wright From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 5 20:21:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f660LwH24270 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO jefflg) (209.147.78.216) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2001 00:21:56 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Suzookus Maximus" To: Subject: Re: Rider goes for a swim inside a 'Stich (LVFRC) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:21:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <200107052301.f65N1Mf22894@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal How about a more snug rain jacket to go over the top half of racing leathers. (i.e. as seen on TV!). I saw one GP rider with a Dainese one but not on their web site. Anyone know where to get one? -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 09:10:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f66DAoH06902 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010706131047.17353.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 06:10:47 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 06:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Non Moto: Job needed To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am throwing this out the Moto communiity in hopes that someone can help me out. Any leads would be appreciated. I apoligize if this email bothers anyone, but I feel that many of your are my friends. Thanks Some of you may have met my girlfriend from France, Delphine. She is here for six months working at a legal internship, which, unfortunately, is unpaid. Now we find out that her visa type (J1) forbids her from working any other job, leaving her with no way to earn money. Previously, she had been planning to work at a DC-area French restaurant. Due to the nature of her visa, she cannot work at any establishment that will report her earnings to the IRS, or she risks deportation. If you know of anyone who may have a "confidential" job for her, please let me know. She is willing to work in a restaurant, shop, babysitting, childcare, etc. for 20-35 hours per week. Please feel free to pass this along to anyone you may think could help her. Thank you very much. I can be reached at 703-626-1221. Mark Kitchell ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 09:48:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f66DmRH07536 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 08:46:13 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 08:45:46 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Non Moto: Job needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f66DmUH07537 >>> Mark Kitchell wrote >Some of you may have met my girlfriend from France, >Delphine. >If you know of anyone who may have a "confidential" >job for her, I could use French Maid, can you send a photo? George..bitter cause I have to work today. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 09:49:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com (web13805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f66DnpH07547 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010706134948.43069.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 06:49:48 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 06:49:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Non Moto: Job needed To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Also, please keep all (serious!) replies off-list. thanks ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 15:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3806.mail.yahoo.com (web3806.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f66JdTH24541 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010706193927.14843.qmail@web3806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.120] by web3806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:39:26 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Test To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Testing testing __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 16:36:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f66KasH25471 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.10f.225decb (3933) for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:36:41 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10f.225decb.28777b59@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:36:41 EDT Subject: Re: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/5/2001 10:36:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trey_22206@XXXXXX writes: > If I ever get a rental car that is monitored remotely > by the company out will come the leatherman. Remove it and ship it overnight _Air_ fright to Japan and back. Lets see them figgure out 400mph. in a rental car. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 16:47:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f66KlbH25661 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2001 20:47:35 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:44:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c10675$9e5cb2a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 -----Original Message----- From: rydin [mailto:rydin@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 4:44 PM To: 'PenguinBiker@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" Can we get some I.T. people here to put together a setup that will have a palm-top hooked INTO the GPS antenna to give it false information? Say...going around Chevy Chase circle for days on end ? Maybe parked INSIDE the Pentagon ? How driving along the Potomac - in the middle ? Or how about driving 1000 feet above the Beltway? OK I'll stop. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX [mailto:PenguinBiker@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 1:37 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" In a message dated 7/5/2001 10:36:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trey_22206@XXXXXX writes: > If I ever get a rental car that is monitored remotely > by the company out will come the leatherman. Remove it and ship it overnight _Air_ fright to Japan and back. Lets see them figgure out 400mph. in a rental car. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 16:48:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f66Km4H25664 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 19298 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2001 13:47:56 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.165) with SMTP; 6 Jul 2001 13:47:56 -0700 X-Sent: 6 Jul 2001 20:47:56 GMT Message-ID: <010e01c1065d$502df980$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: beautiful weather and summit point Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:50:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Hey all! Since it's going to be so beautiful this weekend for riding, just wanted to remind everyone that racing is this weekend at summit point. We'll be pitted somewhere near the bathrooms, so come by and say hi! #869 and #699. Regardless, have a great weekend wherever you are! Laura From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 16:54:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f66KsRH25771 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.d1.9053605 (4241); Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:54:09 EDT Subject: Re: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" To: rydin@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > Can we get some I.T. people here to put together a setup that will have a > palm-top hooked INTO the GPS antenna to give it false information? > Say...going around Chevy Chase circle for days on end ? Maybe parked INSIDE > the Pentagon ? How driving along the Potomac - in the middle ? Or how about > driving 1000 feet above the Beltway? > OK I'll stop. Simple. Ship the car down to Florida via train. At some points they definately go well over the posted speed limits. That should throw them for a loop. Keener From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 17:14:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f66LEgH26089 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.78.17396195 (3933) for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.17396195.2877843e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:14:38 EDT Subject: Re: "Car Rental GPS Speeding Fines Illegal" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/6/2001 4:56:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SKeener2@XXXXXX writes: > Simple. Ship the car down to Florida via train. At some points they > definately go well over the posted speed limits. That should throw them for > > a loop. As I recall (been there done that {Bike}) the Auto-train goes a snoozely 55. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 6 23:39:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f673doH02383 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2001 03:39:47 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: And now for something completely different... Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:39:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal At least for me... The SO has signed us both up for a sidecar class 7/21-22. They supply the bikes and I hear we're going to be able to 'fly the car' by the end. Ooooh boy!! LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 01:14:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.144]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f675EUH03838 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:03:15 -0700 Received: from 65.9.63.233 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 05:03:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: My turn... (long) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 01:03:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 05:03:15.0789 (UTC) FILETIME=[21660FD0:01C106A2] Ok, it finally had to happen to me. I just left the scene of the accident, so I'll try to write as much as I can in spite of having the shakes. I had just left my apartment building in Alexandria, and was on my way to a friend's house. I was on Park Center Dr. approaching a left turn onto King St. I had a green light. Good and green. Not anticipating a green. Simply green. I had a green, so of course the traffic on King St. had a red. This is a T-intersection, so there was no oncoming. I remember seeing a car stopped in the right-hand lane of King St. (immediately to my left) as I entered the intersection. Out of nowhere, a cage comes barreling along at, oh I'd say around 50-60 mph, and runs the red light! I apply as much brakes as I can, but no good. The front of my Nighthawk plows into the side of his car, directly into the passenger side door. The bike spun around clockwise 180 degrees as I instinctively jumped off. The rear axle still caught my left shin though. I have 2 nasty cuts and a good sized scrape. Miraculously, I landed on my feet, standing in the middle of this intersection. I was pretty shaken, so I stumbled over to the curb to assess my bodily injury. Just bleeding from my left shin, not too bad. I'm on my feet, and nothing else hurts. Did I mention I went out dressed like a squid? Well I did. I suppose a pair of denim jeans would have reduced my injury. But it's not so bad. Lesson learned, maybe, maybe not... By this time, I had attracted a crowd. I was mad already because the cage didn't stop. A hit-and-run, just my luck. I was right next to Copeland's New Orleans Restaurant, so a few of the employees and patrons came over to help. They were trying to call for medics and stuff, but I wasn't so badly hurt. I handed my helmet to somebody and proceeded to pick up my bike and roll it out of the way. This one woman had a first aid kit with her. She helped me dress up the cuts. The Alexandria Police showed up no more than 2 minutes after the accident occurred. By this time, the hit-and-run cage came sulking back. It was a bunch of kids out partying and whatnot. The driver came back against the urging of his friends to keep going. He honestly thought he'd killed me. Guess he didn't want to be accused of murder or whatever. He must have apologized a hundred times. He got chewed out plenty by the cop for not stopping in the first place. Anyway, to sum it up, I'm alive, thank God. Now I have to deal with insurance companies. I'm at no fault, yay. Damage to the Nighthawk: Bent front brake lever, bent right footpeg, nasty dent in the gas tank, and since I rode it home, there is an ugly scraping sound coming out of the front wheel. So if anyone saw this accident, it as just me... Cliff '93 CB750 (banged up) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 01:39:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f675dFH04199 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaio ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010707053908.HCLC19933.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c106a7$262be300$6501a8c0@Home> From: "James Reazor" To: "DC-CYCLES" References: Subject: Re: And now for something completely different... Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 01:39:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Linda, Do you have contact info for the class? -James ----- Original Message ----- From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 11:39 PM Subject: And now for something completely different... > > At least for me... > > The SO has signed us both up for a sidecar class 7/21-22. They supply the > bikes and I hear we're going to be able to 'fly the car' by the end. > > Ooooh boy!! > > LindaT. > Custom TankBags > Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) > 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy > 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) > 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing > http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 06:34:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f67AYBH11918 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 06:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj618467a ([24.23.166.212]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010707103403.OSSV11925.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj618467a>; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 03:34:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c106d0$9e889540$d4a61718@alex1.va.home.com> From: "John Luc" To: "Cliff Zigmond" , References: Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 06:36:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Cliff: First and formost I am glad to hear you were not badly hurt. I believe a hardy, "THANK GOD", is in order, so.... THANK GOD, for watching over you. I shutter to think what would have happened if you'd arrived at that intersection a few seconds earlier (whew). Interestingly, I can see that intersection from my apartment window!! I live in the 3001 Park Center apartment building. Let's hook-up and do a ride out to Winchester early one Saturday morning or just stop-by for coffee and talk bikes. Cheers..... //Jean-Luc// ----- Original Message ----- From: Cliff Zigmond To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 1:03 AM Subject: My turn... (long) > Ok, it finally had to happen to me. I just left the scene of the accident, > so I'll try to write as much as I can in spite of having the shakes. > I had just left my apartment building in Alexandria, and was on my way to a > friend's house. I was on Park Center Dr. approaching a left turn onto King > St. I had a green light. Good and green. Not anticipating a green. > Simply green. > I had a green, so of course the traffic on King St. had a red. This is a > T-intersection, so there was no oncoming. I remember seeing a car stopped > in the right-hand lane of King St. (immediately to my left) as I entered the > intersection. Out of nowhere, a cage comes barreling along at, oh I'd say > around 50-60 mph, and runs the red light! I apply as much brakes as I can, > but no good. The front of my Nighthawk plows into the side of his car, > directly into the passenger side door. > The bike spun around clockwise 180 degrees as I instinctively jumped off. > The rear axle still caught my left shin though. I have 2 nasty cuts and a > good sized scrape. Miraculously, I landed on my feet, standing in the > middle of this intersection. I was pretty shaken, so I stumbled over to the > curb to assess my bodily injury. Just bleeding from my left shin, not too > bad. I'm on my feet, and nothing else hurts. Did I mention I went out > dressed like a squid? Well I did. I suppose a pair of denim jeans would > have reduced my injury. But it's not so bad. Lesson learned, maybe, maybe > not... > By this time, I had attracted a crowd. I was mad already because the cage > didn't stop. A hit-and-run, just my luck. I was right next to Copeland's > New Orleans Restaurant, so a few of the employees and patrons came over to > help. They were trying to call for medics and stuff, but I wasn't so badly > hurt. I handed my helmet to somebody and proceeded to pick up my bike and > roll it out of the way. This one woman had a first aid kit with her. She > helped me dress up the cuts. > The Alexandria Police showed up no more than 2 minutes after the accident > occurred. By this time, the hit-and-run cage came sulking back. It was a > bunch of kids out partying and whatnot. The driver came back against the > urging of his friends to keep going. He honestly thought he'd killed me. > Guess he didn't want to be accused of murder or whatever. He must have > apologized a hundred times. He got chewed out plenty by the cop for not > stopping in the first place. > Anyway, to sum it up, I'm alive, thank God. Now I have to deal with > insurance companies. I'm at no fault, yay. > Damage to the Nighthawk: Bent front brake lever, bent right footpeg, nasty > dent in the gas tank, and since I rode it home, there is an ugly scraping > sound coming out of the front wheel. > So if anyone saw this accident, it as just me... > > Cliff > '93 CB750 (banged up) > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 07:48:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f67Bm6H12995 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-47.patriot.net [209.249.181.47]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f67Blnp07203; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3B46F57C.7B6CEAE6@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 07:41:49 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Zigmond CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My turn... (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dang! Good to hear you escaped without serious injury. Shame about the bike, but his insurance should pay to have it bent back to shape. I reckon the kid gets points for overriding peer pressure and coming back. But I'd still go for yanking his permit for several months - speeding, running a red, failure to stop - heavy stuff. If it was within the courts power I'd like to see everyone in the car walking for the same several months. "Contributing to the negligence of the driver" Bill Cliff Zigmond wrote: > Ok, it finally had to happen to me. I just left the scene of the accident, > so I'll try to write as much as I can in spite of having the shakes. > I had just left my apartment building in Alexandria, and was on my way to a > friend's house. I was on Park Center Dr. approaching a left turn onto King > St. I had a green light. Good and green. Not anticipating a green. > Simply green. > I had a green, so of course the traffic on King St. had a red. This is a > T-intersection, so there was no oncoming. I remember seeing a car stopped > in the right-hand lane of King St. (immediately to my left) as I entered the > intersection. Out of nowhere, a cage comes barreling along at, oh I'd say > around 50-60 mph, and runs the red light! I apply as much brakes as I can, > but no good. The front of my Nighthawk plows into the side of his car, > directly into the passenger side door. > The bike spun around clockwise 180 degrees as I instinctively jumped off. > The rear axle still caught my left shin though. I have 2 nasty cuts and a > good sized scrape. Miraculously, I landed on my feet, standing in the > middle of this intersection. I was pretty shaken, so I stumbled over to the > curb to assess my bodily injury. Just bleeding from my left shin, not too > bad. I'm on my feet, and nothing else hurts. Did I mention I went out > dressed like a squid? Well I did. I suppose a pair of denim jeans would > have reduced my injury. But it's not so bad. Lesson learned, maybe, maybe > not... > By this time, I had attracted a crowd. I was mad already because the cage > didn't stop. A hit-and-run, just my luck. I was right next to Copeland's > New Orleans Restaurant, so a few of the employees and patrons came over to > help. They were trying to call for medics and stuff, but I wasn't so badly > hurt. I handed my helmet to somebody and proceeded to pick up my bike and > roll it out of the way. This one woman had a first aid kit with her. She > helped me dress up the cuts. > The Alexandria Police showed up no more than 2 minutes after the accident > occurred. By this time, the hit-and-run cage came sulking back. It was a > bunch of kids out partying and whatnot. The driver came back against the > urging of his friends to keep going. He honestly thought he'd killed me. > Guess he didn't want to be accused of murder or whatever. He must have > apologized a hundred times. He got chewed out plenty by the cop for not > stopping in the first place. > Anyway, to sum it up, I'm alive, thank God. Now I have to deal with > insurance companies. I'm at no fault, yay. > Damage to the Nighthawk: Bent front brake lever, bent right footpeg, nasty > dent in the gas tank, and since I rode it home, there is an ugly scraping > sound coming out of the front wheel. > So if anyone saw this accident, it as just me... > > Cliff > '93 CB750 (banged up) > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 10:02:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com [207.46.181.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f67E2kH14950 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.10.40.177]) by cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Sat, 7 Jul 2001 07:02:17 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" , "Cliff Zigmond" Subject: RE: My turn... (long) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:08:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 14:02:18.0451 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F20A230:01C106ED] Cliff, Glad you were not seriously hurt. I think these accidents and closecalls always hit home with the rest of the motorcycling community. Its a shame that the first thing the "kid" did was leave you there and not stop, the first thing i could possibly think to do is stop to help out. The kid was probably scared shitless, but regardless leaving a accident is not something that should be taken lightly. I would hope they would take his license away for at least 2 years and a nice big fine(that way he wont forget). I know a guy who made a left turn into the way of a motorcycle, he thinks more about that now that he is riding a motorcycle. Perhaps getting this kid a motorcycle and letting him ride around he will understand the need to pay more attention to traffic laws. At least you can now start searching for another bike right? Ricardo Pontes www.geocities.com/ricardopontes Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 11:43:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ems.elever.com ([168.143.209.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f67Fh7H16385 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25193 invoked by uid 500); 7 Jul 2001 15:43:00 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@XXXXXX) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jul 2001 15:43:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:43:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Mitchell To: Cliff Zigmond cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My turn... (long) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Cliff, So happy to hear that you are relatively unscathed after such a serious accident! Jumping off the bike during a collision is something that some of us probably ponder on occasion, as a kind of death-avoidance technique. Pretty difficult to practice though. But since you just did it, I've gotta ask: how the hell did you get off the bike? Did you jump before or after impact? It sounds utterly miraculous. Cheers, Will 99 VFR On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Cliff Zigmond wrote: >Ok, it finally had to happen to me. I just left the scene of the accident, >so I'll try to write as much as I can in spite of having the shakes. >I had just left my apartment building in Alexandria, and was on my way to a >friend's house. I was on Park Center Dr. approaching a left turn onto King >St. I had a green light. Good and green. Not anticipating a green. >Simply green. >I had a green, so of course the traffic on King St. had a red. This is a >T-intersection, so there was no oncoming. I remember seeing a car stopped >in the right-hand lane of King St. (immediately to my left) as I entered the >intersection. Out of nowhere, a cage comes barreling along at, oh I'd say >around 50-60 mph, and runs the red light! I apply as much brakes as I can, >but no good. The front of my Nighthawk plows into the side of his car, >directly into the passenger side door. >The bike spun around clockwise 180 degrees as I instinctively jumped off. >The rear axle still caught my left shin though. I have 2 nasty cuts and a >good sized scrape. Miraculously, I landed on my feet, standing in the >middle of this intersection. I was pretty shaken, so I stumbled over to the >curb to assess my bodily injury. Just bleeding from my left shin, not too >bad. I'm on my feet, and nothing else hurts. Did I mention I went out >dressed like a squid? Well I did. I suppose a pair of denim jeans would >have reduced my injury. But it's not so bad. Lesson learned, maybe, maybe >not... >By this time, I had attracted a crowd. I was mad already because the cage >didn't stop. A hit-and-run, just my luck. I was right next to Copeland's >New Orleans Restaurant, so a few of the employees and patrons came over to >help. They were trying to call for medics and stuff, but I wasn't so badly >hurt. I handed my helmet to somebody and proceeded to pick up my bike and >roll it out of the way. This one woman had a first aid kit with her. She >helped me dress up the cuts. >The Alexandria Police showed up no more than 2 minutes after the accident >occurred. By this time, the hit-and-run cage came sulking back. It was a >bunch of kids out partying and whatnot. The driver came back against the >urging of his friends to keep going. He honestly thought he'd killed me. >Guess he didn't want to be accused of murder or whatever. He must have >apologized a hundred times. He got chewed out plenty by the cop for not >stopping in the first place. >Anyway, to sum it up, I'm alive, thank God. Now I have to deal with >insurance companies. I'm at no fault, yay. >Damage to the Nighthawk: Bent front brake lever, bent right footpeg, nasty >dent in the gas tank, and since I rode it home, there is an ugly scraping >sound coming out of the front wheel. >So if anyone saw this accident, it as just me... > >Cliff >'93 CB750 (banged up) >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 13:18:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f94.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.94]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f67HI6H17762 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:05:57 -0700 Received: from 64.111.16.27 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 17:05:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.111.16.27] From: "Rob Keiser" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 13:05:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 17:05:57.0953 (UTC) FILETIME=[17433310:01C10707] Sorry to hear of your cage encounter, but damn glad you're able to type about it. Gives us all a lesson at intersections. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 14:01:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f67I1JH18446 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 14:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-112-151.s151.tnt8.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.112.151] helo=66.44.112.151) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15IwOK-0006gI-00 ; Sat, 07 Jul 2001 14:01:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3B474F0F.5ED5@starpower.net> Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 14:04:00 -0400 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Zigmond CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My turn... (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cliff Zigmond wrote: > > Ok, it finally had to happen to me. I just left the scene of the accident, > so I'll try to write as much as I can in spite of having the shakes. > I had just left my apartment building in Alexandria, and was on my way to a > friend's house. I was on Park Center Dr. approaching a left turn onto King > St. I had a green light. Good and green. Not anticipating a green. ... > Anyway, to sum it up, I'm alive, thank God. Now I have to deal with > insurance companies. I'm at no fault, yay. > Damage to the Nighthawk: Bent front brake lever, bent right footpeg, nasty > dent in the gas tank, and since I rode it home, there is an ugly scraping > sound coming out of the front wheel. Glad you are relatively unscathed, Cliff. From your description of the scraping sound in the front end, I suspect your forks are bent. You're actually very lucky that you hit the side of the cage and not the other way around. It would have been much worse being t-boned. It gives me the shakes just thinking of it. My peripheral vision saved my bacon once at an intersection. I had the green and started to accelerate into a left turn, but out of the corner of my eye I saw a fast moving object and instinctively squeezed a big handful of brake. Sure enough a split second later a cage comes barrelling through the red light a few feet in front of my bike. Major pucker factor. Be vigilant out there. After that incident I give a long look to each side for red light runners before proceeding. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 19:04:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe49.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.217]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f67N48H22951 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 15:52:09 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: References: Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:54:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 22:52:09.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[73D09610:01C10737] > At least you can now start searching for another bike right? > > Ricardo Pontes > www.geocities.com/ricardopontes > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > I have no idea how they will assess the damage on my bike. I'm pretty sure this one is fixable, but then again, I am not a claims adjuster. The adjuster will be by on Monday. In the meantime, the kid's insurance (Gecko) set me up with Enterprise Rent-A-Cage. I am now sporting a 2001 4-door Saturn. It's been a long time since I have been behind the wheel of a cage.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 19:04:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe24.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f67N4wH22977 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:04:51 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [65.9.63.233] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: "Will Mitchell" Cc: References: Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:07:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2001 23:04:51.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A0FF860:01C10739] Ok, after playing the scene over and over in my mind, here is what I think happened: As soon as I knew my front wheel would be planted into the cage, I stood up, brakes locked. Right at impact, the bike started spinning clockwise, so, me still standing, let go of the brake and did my best to clear my right leg in case the bike started dragging. Left handlebar was forcibly jerked out of my hand (arm still sore) and while in midair, the back end spins and strikes my left shin. I land on my feet, Nighthawk lands on it's right side. I am now standing on the road right where the seat is. Had I not jumped, the bike would have gone down very hard on my left leg. I guess it was just one of those thing you have to do instinctively. Keep in mind, this happened in all of 1.5 seconds. Cliff (slightly bruised) '93 CB750 (slightly bruised too!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Mitchell" To: "Cliff Zigmond" Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: My turn... (long) > Hey Cliff, > > So happy to hear that you are relatively unscathed after > such a serious accident! > > Jumping off the bike during a collision is something that > some of us probably ponder on occasion, as a kind of > death-avoidance technique. Pretty difficult to practice > though. > > But since you just did it, I've gotta ask: how the hell did > you get off the bike? Did you jump before or after impact? > It sounds utterly miraculous. > > Cheers, > > Will > 99 VFR From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 21:26:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f681QTH25085 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010708012621.GRAH19933.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a> for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:26:21 -0700 Message-ID: <01ac01c1074e$9c946920$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: Subject: New Bike!! Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:37:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I picked up my new bike today. A new, red, Suzuki SV650. While I'm still sad that the Nighthawk S went the way it did, the SV650 is definitely a step up in the fun factor. Now I just need to control myself during the break in period. Keeping the bike under 5000 rpms is hard, when the bike just wants to go. Also, thanks to the people who mentioned Romney Cycles last week. That thread inspired me to call them up and see what an SV would be out the door. Now after $5000 and a trip to WV, I've got an SV parked infront of the townhouse. Keith SV650 Magna V30 (My wife's again) CB700SC (RIP) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 7 21:34:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f681YwH25231 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana.wheatintl.com (iguana [63.218.228.106]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f681Ynq19836 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:34:50 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010707213224.053c2cd0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 21:34:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Budds Creek Tomorrow Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Going with a group of Harley guys to the drag races at Budd's Creek tomorrow. Anyone up for it? Leaving Centreville at 8:30am. London Towne Elementary on Stone Road. Will be some sport bikes in the group - I imagine the group will split for the ride out. Spent the afternoon taking apart the VFR to get to the K&N air filter for the ritual cleaning and re-oiling. Also put the D&D back on. I missed the growl. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 N38.84810 W77.44614 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 09:24:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f68DNxH06531 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p29.a3.du.radix.net [207.192.130.29]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA19458; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Cliff Zigmond'" , Subject: RE: My turn... (long) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 09:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c107b1$7ddfa860$1d82c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Ok, it finally had to happen to me. I just left the scene of the accident, so I'll try to write as much as I can in spite of having the shakes. I had just left my apartment building in Alexandria, and was on my way to a friend's house. I was on Park Center Dr. approaching a left turn onto King St. I had a green light. Good and green. Not anticipating a green. Simply green. The number of times I've taken a green for granted has increased (noticing after I read you post). I had a green, so of course the traffic on King St. had a red. This is a T-intersection, so there was no oncoming. I remember seeing a car stopped in the right-hand lane of King St. (immediately to my left) as I entered the intersection. Out of nowhere, a cage comes barreling along at, oh I'd say around 50-60 mph, and runs the red light! JFC, It's tough to build that kind of speed on that road, they were definitely cooking. I apply as much brakes as I can, but no good. The front of my Nighthawk plows into the side of his car, directly into the passenger side door. The bike spun around clockwise 180 degrees as I instinctively jumped off. The rear axle still caught my left shin though. I have 2 nasty cuts and a good sized scrape. Miraculously, I landed on my feet, standing in the middle of this intersection. I was pretty shaken, so I stumbled over to the curb to assess my bodily injury. Just bleeding from my left shin, not too bad. I'm on my feet, and nothing else hurts. Did I mention I went out dressed like a squid? Well I did. I suppose a pair of denim jeans would have reduced my injury. But it's not so bad. Lesson learned, maybe, maybe not... I'm glad you're ok. wear protective gear everywhere, even the parking lot. You ride like you practice. By this time, I had attracted a crowd. I was mad already because the cage didn't stop. A hit-and-run, just my luck. I was right next to Copeland's New Orleans Restaurant, so a few of the employees and patrons came over to help. That's damn good. At least you got some help. They were trying to call for medics and stuff, but I wasn't so badly hurt. I handed my helmet to somebody and proceeded to pick up my bike and roll it out of the way. This one woman had a first aid kit with her. She helped me dress up the cuts. The Alexandria Police showed up no more than 2 minutes after the accident occurred. By this time, the hit-and-run cage came sulking back. It was a bunch of kids out partying and whatnot. The driver came back against the urging of his friends to keep going. He honestly thought he'd killed me. Guess he didn't want to be accused of murder or whatever. He must have apologized a hundred times. He got chewed out plenty by the cop for not stopping in the first place. If he didn't leave the scene in cuffs, in the back of a cruiser, file a complaint. Leaving the scene of an accident involving injury in VA is a felony, with significant jail time. Make DAMN sure this F*ckwit & his mates learn a lesson for their misdeeds.1 Anyway, to sum it up, I'm alive, thank God. Now I have to deal with insurance companies. I'm at no fault, yay. Damage to the Nighthawk: Bent front brake lever, bent right footpeg, nasty dent in the gas tank, and since I rode it home, there is an ugly scraping sound coming out of the front wheel. So if anyone saw this accident, it as just me... Jeez. It sounds salvageable. Well, glad you're ok... From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 13:53:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f68HrOH10776 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29713 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 17:46:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adesktop.annapurna.com) ([216.231.57.40]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Jul 2001 17:46:39 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010708133343.00a522a8@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:49:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: newbie, miscellaneous questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Howdy, folks! I just found this list by chance, and thought I'd tune in for a while. I live in North Arlington, and commute to NASA HQ in SW DC. My last ride was a 1998 HD Electra Glide Police Special. Great for parking on the sidewalks in DC, but I digress. ;-) Current motorcycle is my "new" 1996 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500. It's pretty much bone stock at this writing. I'm putting some driver floorboards on. What's the difference between the two bikes? About $9,000 :-D I have a couple of questions, while I'm typing. (1) Can anyone recommend a good Kawasaki dealer and/or mechanic. As luck would have it, I'm nearly equidistant from Sterling, Manassas, Central Ave, Woodbridge, Aspen Hill, etc -- all 15-20 miles away as the Mapquest flies. I'd love to find a good mechanic closer, of course, especially if they're certified to repair Kawa's, and maybe even if they're not. Nothing major needs doing at the moment. (2) Is anyone actually parking at the Federal building at 200 Independence? I did a walk-by, and noticed that they have parking stickers. I'm also not too clear on how to ride up to that spot, er, or what the procedure is to keep the guards from drawing on me! It looks very "authorized personnel only" from 3rd Street. I might be able to flash a NASA badge to the right folks, and they might issue me a sticker or otherwise not care. Just trolling for intel. Colonical Parking at NASA HQ used to let badged folks park for free in the garage. Now they want $7.50, same as cars, but don't want you to take up a car space. Yeah, right. Thanks! Ride safe. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 15:07:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f68J7CH11935 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:07:05 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0161329F@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'MikeRo'" Subject: A little poetic justice. Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:08:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 16:33:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from postman5.mx.aol.com (postman5.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f68KXTH13173 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (mailbox.office.aol.com [10.0.10.54]) by postman5.mx.aol.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f68KWci18023; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19144; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f68KX2r01924; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: Rob Winters cc: Subject: Re: newbie, miscellaneous questions In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010708133343.00a522a8@mail.nova.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Rob Winters wrote: > Howdy, folks! > > I just found this list by chance, and thought I'd tune in for a while. I > live in North Arlington, and commute to NASA HQ in SW DC. Hi. Fun commute :) > > My last ride was a 1998 HD Electra Glide Police Special. Great for parking > on the sidewalks in DC, but I digress. ;-) Current motorcycle is my "new" > 1996 Kawasaki Vulcan 1500. It's pretty much bone stock at this writing. I'm > putting some driver floorboards on. What's the difference between the two > bikes? About $9,000 :-D Exactly the same bike I have. Is it an A or a Classic? I love mine. > > I have a couple of questions, while I'm typing. > > (1) Can anyone recommend a good Kawasaki dealer and/or mechanic. As luck > would have it, I'm nearly equidistant from Sterling, Manassas, Central Ave, > Woodbridge, Aspen Hill, etc -- all 15-20 miles away as the Mapquest flies. > I'd love to find a good mechanic closer, of course, especially if they're > certified to repair Kawa's, and maybe even if they're not. Nothing major > needs doing at the moment. Since I'm _IN_ sterling, I'm partially biased, but I really like Rhodes Kawasaki in Herndon. I've had them do work on my bike and so has another Vulcan 1500 owner who's a friend of mine. We both were really pleased, and the prices seemed reasonable [0]. I can't think of anything closer to you. -dave [0] Of course, I'm comparing work on a bike to getting work done a BMW, so it's probably not a great basis for comparison :-) -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 16:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f68KtBH13491 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 38168 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2001 20:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adesktop.annapurna.com) ([216.231.57.40]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Jul 2001 20:55:08 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010708164956.00a87030@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 16:58:22 -0400 To: Dave Paper From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: newbie, miscellaneous questions Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010708133343.00a522a8@mail.nova.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:33 PM 7/8/2001 -0400, Dave Paper wrote: >Hi. Fun commute :) Not bad. About 40 minutes faster than the MetroRail equivalent, anyway. >Exactly the same bike I have. Is it an A or a Classic? I love mine. It's a 1500L, or C-3 model; pretty much an "A" with spoke wheels and drag bars, I think. Jury's out on the drag bars, but it was a bargain. >Rhodes Kawasaki in Herndon. Okay. Anyone in particular I should ask for? >[0] Of course, I'm comparing work on a bike to getting work done a BMW, so >it's probably not a great basis for comparison :-) Well, Harley service was none too cheap *and* you had to wait a month for an appointment, so how shocked could I be at this point? ;-) Thanks! /// Rob >MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay Microsoft Consultant Sans Experience From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 22:40:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f692erH18590 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA14423 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (smtprelay.abs.adelphia.net [64.8.20.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA22142 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d478406837 ([216.174.23.82]) by smtprelay3.abs.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GG6Q3U01.FM7; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:42 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dccycles2" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Summit Point Race day Photos Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal For your viewing pleasure http://www.2wheeljunkie.com/photos/racephotos/010708/010708.htm Gary Foreman mailto:gary@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 22:44:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f692i8H18666 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 208-59-116-59.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com ([208.59.116.59] helo=neo) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15JR1q-0001lU-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 22:44:06 -0400 From: "Marc Washington" To: Subject: Newbie Training Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:41:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c10820$a5fcd330$3b743bd0@neo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2605 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Are there any other training schools I can go to other MSF? MSF is full until October and desperate to get riding. Yours truly, Marc Washington "Your living is not so much determined by what life brings you as by the attitude you bring to life" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 8 23:17:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f693HfH19224 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2001 03:17:38 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: Subject: RE: Newbie Training Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:14:34 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c1083e$6d3578e0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000001c10820$a5fcd330$3b743bd0@neo> Importance: Normal Marc - I don't think there are other organized schools out there. However, what I would do is get the dates and locations of the MSF classes and show up an hour (or more) ahead of time. There are almost always one or two no-shows and they'll let you in that way. When you get there take a piece of paper and title it: "Waiting List" and put your name on the top so if someone else shows up after you there's a list. Good luck Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Marc Washington [mailto:mbw72@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:41 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Newbie Training Are there any other training schools I can go to other MSF? MSF is full until October and desperate to get riding. Yours truly, Marc Washington "Your living is not so much determined by what life brings you as by the attitude you bring to life" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 02:25:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13004.mail.yahoo.com (web13004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f696PCH22706 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 02:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010709062509.88164.qmail@web13004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.90.30.94] by web13004.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 08 Jul 2001 23:25:09 PDT Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 23:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: RE: Newbie Training To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <002301c1083e$6d3578e0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just be sure to call the training site first to be sure they allow standbys. For example, in Virginia, Alexadria does allow standbys while Sterling does not. Also, during July and August, there are only 12 students per weekend, rather than the usual 24, so the odds of standby slots decrease. Also find out what the rules are. At Alexandria you can't just put up a piece of paper marked "Standby" and leave it at that. You have to form a line outside the door and stay there. This may seem like a cruel rule, but we've had problems in the past with people showing up at say, 9 in the morning, putting their name down, and leaving until 6 at night. As for alternate training, which was the original question, there are some instructors who offer private training, similar to the training offered by Larry Grodsky's beginning course. Of course the price for the private training is higher. If you want more information on that, let me know and I'll forward your e-mail to them. Louis --- rydin wrote: > Marc - I don't think there are other organized schools out there. However, > what I would do is get the dates and locations of the MSF classes and show > up an hour (or more) ahead of time. There are almost always one or two > no-shows and they'll let you in that way. > When you get there take a piece of paper and title it: "Waiting List" and > put your name on the top so if someone else shows up after you there's a > list. > > Good luck > Niv > BMW F650ST > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Washington [mailto:mbw72@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:41 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Newbie Training > > > Are there any other training schools I can go to other MSF? MSF is full > until October and desperate to get riding. > > Yours truly, > Marc Washington __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 07:52:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69BqdH27755 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010709115236.RZYA19933.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a> for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 04:52:36 -0700 Message-ID: <017201c1086e$f253fda0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: References: <000001c10820$a5fcd330$3b743bd0@neo> Subject: Re: Newbie Training Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:01:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Have you tried the MSF course taught in Winchester or Germana? I understand that some of the further out ones have less of a backlog. Also, the Alexandria campus takes walk ons. It is on a first come basis, so be prepared to get there before 4:00 and wait in line till class starts. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Washington" To: Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Newbie Training > Are there any other training schools I can go to other MSF? MSF is full > until October and desperate to get riding. > > Yours truly, > Marc Washington > "Your living is not so much determined by what life brings you as by the > attitude you bring to life" > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 08:54:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (web3802.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f69Cs9H28817 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010709125406.25742.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.120] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 05:54:06 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 05:54:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Non-Moto: Hiring Tech Workers To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My company doesn't have enough motorcycles parked outside. If there are any IT/Internet types looking for a job on this list, send me your resume. The company I work for (http://www.pcci.com) is hiring for a number of positions and I may be able to help out. Don't get discouraged if you don't see the appropriate job opening on the web site. There are a number of openings that aren't posted there. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 09:17:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69DHfH29274 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-41-110.s364.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.41.110] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Jauw-0000oO-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 09:17:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c1087a$294c8ec0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: References: <000001c10820$a5fcd330$3b743bd0@neo> <017201c1086e$f253fda0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> Subject: Re: Newbie Training Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I taught the RSS at Alexandria on 6/29 through 7/1. The first stand-by got there at 1:30. We ended up accepting four stand-bys. There were a couple of no shows on Friday night and two more on Sat. morning, if memory serves. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Lamond > Have you tried the MSF course taught in Winchester or Germana? I understand > that some of the further out ones have less of a backlog. > > Also, the Alexandria campus takes walk ons. It is on a first come basis, so > be prepared to get there before 4:00 and wait in line till class starts. > > Keith From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 10:58:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.washcp.com (mail.washcp.com [206.239.195.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69EwsH01105 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wproc01 (wproc01.washcp.com [206.239.195.79]) by mail.washcp.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23683 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:04:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010709104726.00a4fbb0@mail.washcp.com> X-Sender: yroberts@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:47:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Yi Wah Subject: Re: Newbie Training Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Marc- There is a standby option for MSF @ the NOVA Alexandria campus. It seems most guys take lunch then come to stand in line. So skip lunch. If your not in the first 3 try again. They typically have 1 or 2 spots go open. Take a book and the cash to pay for the course. It's room 346 I believe. G'luck. yi wah At 10:41 PM 7/8/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Are there any other training schools I can go to other MSF? MSF is full >until October and desperate to get riding. > >Yours truly, >Marc Washington >"Your living is not so much determined by what life brings you as by the >attitude you bring to life" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 12:56:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69GurH03095 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:44:39 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:44:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:44:39 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 16:44:39.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[7203C1D0:01C10896] For me, Grevey's is a bit far for lunch. Any interest in another meeting place furthter West? Maybe Herndon, or Sterling area? Lots of places to eat out this way. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 13:22:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69HMAH03573 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQkwyn14140 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:22:08 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkwyn07414 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:18:41 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:18:39 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >For me, Grevey's is a bit far for lunch. Any interest in another >meeting place furthter West? Maybe Herndon, or Sterling area? Lots >of places to eat out this way. Agreed. There has to be a fair amount of us folks out west....I bet Revolution in Herndon would be happy to host us, maybe save us some parking. Any other suggestions? Anyone else out in this part of the world? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 13:22:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from itxf2aln09.vfc.com (itxf2aln09.vfc.com [167.64.48.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69HMCH03574 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: Kevin_Hawkins@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:17:30 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on ITXF2ALN09/InternetMail(Release 5.0.6a |January 17, 2001) at 07/09/2001 01:22:11 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm helping to organize yet another trackday at Virginia International Raceway (South course) http://www.virclub.com for Monday,September 10! I would love to see some DC riders participate. The track is located just outside of Danville, VA. and is quite nice! The AMA will be running a full race weekend there for the first time later this year. Cost: $175 Bike Prep: http://www.classrides.com/faq.html#prep Rider Prep: http://www.classrides.com/faq.html#gear This is NOT an open track day! It is patterned after Pridmore's CLASS sessions and we had a wonderful event on May 14 that came off without a hitch. We'll be running three groups of around 15 riders and everyone will be asked to place themselves in one group; Novice, Intermediate and Advanced. Instruction will be provided to the Novice riders who might be riding on the track for the first time or simply want to take it easy. A riding skills manual will be mailed/emailed to these participants a few weeks prior to the event. Passing will only be allowed on the straights for this group. The intermediate group will be for those who have attended track days before, but might not be comfortable riding with R1s and really fast riders. Passing will be allowed on the straights and the outside of corners. There will be a group coordinator, but no formal training provided unless asked for by the individuals. The Advanced group will experienced riders and racers who might otherwise attend open track days. The passing rules are the same as the intermediate group with NO STUFFING allowed. No formal training will be provided, but a group coordinator will be on the track. Each group with be on the track for 20 minutes and rest for 40 min. This usually results in about 5 sessions for the day. Believe me, that's all you can handle. You'll be exhausted! Respond to my personal email if you'd like more information. Kevin Hawkins // Greensboro, NC klhawkins@XXXXXX http://www.freecfm.com/r/raddboy Y2K Kawasaki ZRX1100 //'93 Yamaha GTS1000 //'85 FZ750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 13:27:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69HR4H03683 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f69HQpq03173 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:26:51 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010709132440.0290a430@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:26:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Rob - I am in Reston as well. Taking back roads - Grevey's is only around 20 minutes away. That may be too far for some though considering time. If anyone is interested - I take Lawyers to Vale and cut back to 123, Nutley, and 29, through a few parking lots and into the Chevy's / Sweetwater / UNOs / Grevey's area. At 12:44 PM 7/9/01, Rob Keiser wrote: >For me, Grevey's is a bit far for lunch. Any interest in another meeting >place furthter West? Maybe Herndon, or Sterling area? Lots of places to >eat out this way. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 14:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail24.bigmailbox.com (mail24.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.207]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69I0KH04255 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail24.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06138; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:59:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:59:27 -0700 Message-Id: <200107091759.KAA06138@mail24.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [128.29.4.2] From: "mike_jay Jay" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: XJ750RJ FOR SALE Hi Guys, My Yamaha 82 SECA (XJ750RJ) needs a new home as I can't do work in front of my town house. The bike runs and is ridable, but needs work as follows: Fork Seals Brakes (warning light flashes, but it rides ok) Petcock leaks Right signal light (wind blew it over the winter before last) Right Foot lever for rear brake (stupid wind) Battery may need replacing odometer broken (about 68K miles) I would honestly rate the condition as poor, but it is a great project bike (or parts bike) as she fired up yesterday after coaxing from the trickle charger. Any of you folks who swing your own wrenches would have a blast with this 80s VJM. Its the sporter version of the Yamaha Maxim. Some extra parts include a 4-into-1 I bought from the XJ list, and the extra seat base from when I purchased the replacement seat. Also, I have the Haynes and Factory manuals (a 50$US value). I get the DC Cycles list in digest mode so please be patient with my response cycle. Please give a home to my dear old XJ. mike_jay XJ750RJ (for sale) ZN700A2 ------------------------------------------------------------ --== Sent via Deja.com ==-- http://www.deja.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 14:06:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f281.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69I6XH04373 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:54:19 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 17:54:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:54:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 17:54:19.0424 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D800A00:01C108A0] Actually, I'm in Ashburn. So I'm leaning toward the Sterling area myself. Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:26:48 -0400 Rob - I am in Reston as well. Taking back roads - Grevey's is only around 20 minutes away. That may be too far for some though considering time. If anyone is interested - I take Lawyers to Vale and cut back to 123, Nutley, and 29, through a few parking lots and into the Chevy's / Sweetwater / UNOs / Grevey's area. At 12:44 PM 7/9/01, Rob Keiser wrote: >For me, Grevey's is a bit far for lunch. Any interest in another meeting >place furthter West? Maybe Herndon, or Sterling area? Lots of places to >eat out this way. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 14:43:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A05F.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69IgvH05016 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26974; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f69IgjK03208; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:42:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:42:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: Sean Jordan cc: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Jul 2001, Sean Jordan wrote: > >For me, Grevey's is a bit far for lunch. Any interest in another > >meeting place furthter West? Maybe Herndon, or Sterling area? Lots > >of places to eat out this way. > > Agreed. There has to be a fair amount of us folks out west....I bet > Revolution in Herndon would be happy to host us, maybe save us some > parking. Any other suggestions? Anyone else out in this part of the > world? > Sterling has Emilio's pizza, Shaw Road and W. Church (intersection of Rt 28 and Waxpool). If you get there by like 11:45, yer good to go. Lots of parking too. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 16:48:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69KkZH07047 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f69KkDq03754 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:46:14 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010709164129.03ae6b80@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:42:54 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC-Metro GPS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone using Garmin products for GPS? I have been so interested in my eMap that I started a little site (www.troutman.org/gps) for the collection of area rides and routes, along with camping and hiking. If anyone wants to contribute, drop my a line off-list. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 18:47:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69MlGH08965 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p52.a4.du.radix.net [207.192.130.180]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22134; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: DC-Metro GPS Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:49:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c108c9$8c288900$b482c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010709164129.03ae6b80@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Trotman bragged: Anyone using Garmin products for GPS? Yes, but mostly on cage trips. Once on the bike (it will register while in a Stich vest pocket ;-) ) I got the Mapsource CD, and the 128 mb data card. Keep current on the software downloads at the Garmin site... Also, www.tvnav.com has pretty good pricing on Garmin stuff. If you don't already know this, this is a real relationship saver on a trip. Particularly when your navigator is, shall we say, topographically challenged... or Navigationally impaired... I have been so interested in my eMap that I started a little site (www.troutman.org/gps) for the collection of area rides and routes, along with camping and hiking. If anyone wants to contribute, drop my a line off-list. Some pretty neat stuff there. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 9 19:52:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from m1.boston.juno.com (m1.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.64]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f69NqBH10144 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"uoyE9tvlmSM0oHP0t1pnQ4uiYzMRTPsLyANb9ECLyzwntKonaSMBmA=="> Received: (from tgroghan@XXXXXX) by m1.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id F9XQH9VC; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 19:51:13 EDT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:44:18 -0400 Subject: Non-moto: WTB Car Stereo headunit anyone have one they are looking to sell? Message-ID: <20010709.194419.-474949.3.tgroghan@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-8 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Thad B Groghan Want to buy: I am looking for a car stereo headunit, does anyone have one they are looking to sell? I'm looking for a nice one. Thanks, Thad tgroghan@XXXXXX ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 08:13:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11201.mail.yahoo.com (web11201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ACDkH22512 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010710121344.29858.qmail@web11201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:13:44 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Ride For Kids To: mbmb@XXXXXX, SOCMd@XXXXXX, glennstrohm@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: rrumblebee@XXXXXX, lori.cohen@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello everyone- At my Suzuki club meeting last night, we had a guest from the Ride For Kids organization. There is a ride on Sunday, September 16 starting in Columbia, MD. The ride benefits the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation of the US. The minimum entry donation is $35 per bike. Up to two people per bike. The more you can donate, the more prizes you get, including a chance to win a brand spankin new Honda Rebel 250 ($300 raised minimum). About 87% of all donations go to the researchers. The ride is police escorted and cruises through Howard County. It's 50 miles and takes about an hour and a half. Last year there were approximately 700 bikes. The ride folks are also looking for people to help with the ride day activities such as registration and parking lots. All volunteers will also have plenty of time to join the ride itself. Coffee and donuts for all participants and a light lunch after the ride. Registration opens at 8:00 am and closes at 9:45. The ride starts at 10:00 sharp, rain or shine. I plan on attending. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me off list. If you have any questions, please e-mail me on list so everyone may see. If you can not ride, but would like to donate, you may either sponsor me, or send a donation directly to the organization. Their web site is www.ride4kids.org. Thanks, Matt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 08:29:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ACTVH22778 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:28:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200107100828.AA3539356@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: DC-Metro GPS X-Mailer: Looks great, Mike, thanks. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Troutman Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:42:54 -0400 >Anyone using Garmin products for GPS? I have been so interested in my eMap >that I started a little site (www.troutman.org/gps) for the collection of >area rides and routes, along with camping and hiking. If anyone wants to >contribute, drop my a line off-list. > > >___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 08:59:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from sv100024.acumensolutions.com (host138205.servervault.com [216.12.138.205]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ACx4H23246 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mowmvx4 (inetgw.va.neustar.com [209.173.53.225]) by sv100024.acumensolutions.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id NXN9WNRT; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:01:29 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Michiko Rist" To: Subject: Ride To Work...Ride to Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:57:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c1093f$e2793b30$7331add1@npac.comneustar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I'd be up for lunch in Herndon or Sterling.... X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 12:44:39 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2001 16:44:39.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[7203C1D0:01C10896] For me, Grevey's is a bit far for lunch. Any interest in another meeting place furthter West? Maybe Herndon, or Sterling area? Lots of places to eat out this way. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com STATEMENT OF CONFIDENTIALITY The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify Acumen Solutions, Inc. immediately at 703-600-4000 or at IS@XXXXXX, and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 10:30:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from msnawa58.usi.net (msnawa58.usi.net [209.135.43.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6AEU4H24768 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by msnaex05.usi.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Bell, Rob (Washington)" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" , "VFR List (E-mail)" , "ZX List (E-mail)" Subject: CLASS @ VIR 7/16&17 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:28:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" anyone else going to CLASS @ VIR next mon/tues? I'll be in a hi-viz 'stich on my ZX (destickered purple/black). Will have blue/silver Ram 1500 w/ trailer. Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 10:36:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe32.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.27]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AEauH24896 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:25:17 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:25:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 14:25:17.0552 (UTC) FILETIME=[245FFF00:01C1094C] i'm in for a sterling lunch. emilio's is great, but can be mobbed and slow. i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the clocktower shopping center). excellent subs. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 10:44:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A05F.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AEisH24998 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06202 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f6AEig004571 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote: > i'm in for a sterling lunch. emilio's is great, but can be mobbed and slow. It can be. That's why I suggested 11:45 as a good time to get there :) > i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the clocktower shopping center). > excellent subs. Jimmy G's is another good suggestion. Even more parking and probably easier to get to/give directions to. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 11:27:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.127]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AFRgH25813 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:26:30 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:26:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, VFR-digest@XXXXXX Subject: Re: CLASS @ VIR 7/16&17 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:26:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 15:26:30.0312 (UTC) FILETIME=[B182B280:01C10954] Owwwwww. My freakin' eyes!!!!! %^) Just kidding! Good luck out there. Rob '98 VFR800 I'll be in a hi-viz 'stich on my ZX (destickered purple/black). Will have blue/silver Ram 1500 w/trailer. Keep the shiny side up! R '00 ZX-9R Voodoo '96 VFR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 14:25:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f147.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.147]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AIPjH29119 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:25:37 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:25:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:25:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 18:25:37.0640 (UTC) FILETIME=[B76ACE80:01C1096D] OK, it looks like there's some interest! Excellent!! The top two nominees for the Herndon/Sterling area Ride to Lunch are: - Emilio's (Brick Oven Pizza) - Jimmy G's (NY style deli) Any other suggestions? or should we just do a quick vote with these? Both will be crowded during regular lunch time, as mentioned. I would suggest no later than 11:30 AM for either place. What do you say North-Western Virginia Area Bikers, where shall we meet??? Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dave Paper To: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote: > i'm in for a sterling lunch. emilio's is great, but can be mobbed and slow. It can be. That's why I suggested 11:45 as a good time to get there :) > i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the clocktower shopping center). > excellent subs. Jimmy G's is another good suggestion. Even more parking and probably easier to get to/give directions to. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 16:04:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A05F.pix.aol.com [152.163.160.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AK4dH01049 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nawt.office.aol.com (nawt.office.aol.com [10.0.31.252]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26515; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by nawt.office.aol.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f6AK4Vl05244; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:04:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nawt.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:04:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Paper X-X-Sender: To: Rob Keiser cc: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Rob Keiser wrote: > OK, it looks like there's some interest! Excellent!! > > The top two nominees for the Herndon/Sterling area Ride to Lunch are: > > - Emilio's (Brick Oven Pizza) > > - Jimmy G's (NY style deli) > > Any other suggestions? or should we just do a quick vote with these? > > Both will be crowded during regular lunch time, as mentioned. I would > suggest no later than 11:30 AM for either place. > > What do you say North-Western Virginia Area Bikers, where shall we meet??? I'm partial to Emilios (since I suggested it :-). They also open right at 11:30, so there shouldn't be any problem getting tables/food at that time. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 16:14:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AKEfH01249 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkxcq04178 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:14:40 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkxcq13391 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:14:30 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:14:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm down with Emilio's too....close to work, good food. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 16:52:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from belair_admin.lmi.org (global.lmi.org [198.3.128.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AKqeH01953 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by belair_admin.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3S60YCX1>; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E73AF@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:52:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C10982.3E4C22A0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10982.3E4C22A0 Content-Type: text/plain I may be convinced to come down to Sterling from Mclean, if I can get a good-quick route from Mclean!! Brian 99VFR -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch OK, it looks like there's some interest! Excellent!! The top two nominees for the Herndon/Sterling area Ride to Lunch are: - Emilio's (Brick Oven Pizza) - Jimmy G's (NY style deli) Any other suggestions? or should we just do a quick vote with these? Both will be crowded during regular lunch time, as mentioned. I would suggest no later than 11:30 AM for either place. What do you say North-Western Virginia Area Bikers, where shall we meet??? Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dave Paper To: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote: > i'm in for a sterling lunch. emilio's is great, but can be mobbed and slow. It can be. That's why I suggested 11:45 as a good time to get there :) > i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the clocktower shopping center). > excellent subs. Jimmy G's is another good suggestion. Even more parking and probably easier to get to/give directions to. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10982.3E4C22A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch

I may be convinced to come down to Sterling from = Mclean, if I can get a good-quick route from Mclean!!

Brian
99VFR

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] =
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:26 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch


OK, it looks like there's some interest!  = Excellent!!

The top two nominees for the Herndon/Sterling area = Ride to Lunch are:

- Emilio's  (Brick Oven Pizza)

- Jimmy G's (NY style deli)

Any other suggestions?  or should we just do a = quick vote with these?

Both will be crowded during regular lunch time, as = mentioned.  I would
suggest no later than 11:30 AM for either = place.

What do you say North-Western Virginia Area Bikers, = where shall we meet???

Rob
'98 VFR800


----Original Message Follows----
From: Dave Paper <cerberus@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote:

 > i'm in for a sterling lunch.  = emilio's is great, but can be mobbed and
slow.

It can be. That's why I suggested 11:45 as a good = time to get there :)

 > i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the = clocktower shopping center).  > excellent subs.

Jimmy G's is another good suggestion. Even more = parking and probably easier to get to/give directions to.

-dave


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C10982.3E4C22A0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 16:55:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AKttH01986 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 2.a0.1700ee4c (25307); Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:55:35 EDT Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch To: broberso@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > - Emilio's (Brick Oven Pizza) Definately a good place to eat. Keener (Who can eat a lot!!!) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 17:08:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f194.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6AL8AH02213 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:08:02 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:08:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:08:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:08:02.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[67A03450:01C10984] Brian, Not to dissuade you from joining us in this area, but you'd be closer to the Ride to Lunch spot at Grevey's. http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Otherwise, quickest route would be Dulles Toll Road to 28 North. 3 miles, turn right on Church. Next Right on Shaw. It's in the Plaza on your right. Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:52:33 -0400 I may be convinced to come down to Sterling from Mclean, if I can get a good-quick route from Mclean!! Brian 99VFR -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch OK, it looks like there's some interest! Excellent!! The top two nominees for the Herndon/Sterling area Ride to Lunch are: - Emilio's (Brick Oven Pizza) - Jimmy G's (NY style deli) Any other suggestions? or should we just do a quick vote with these? Both will be crowded during regular lunch time, as mentioned. I would suggest no later than 11:30 AM for either place. What do you say North-Western Virginia Area Bikers, where shall we meet??? Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dave Paper To: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote: > i'm in for a sterling lunch. emilio's is great, but can be mobbed and slow. It can be. That's why I suggested 11:45 as a good time to get there :) > i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the clocktower shopping center). > excellent subs. Jimmy G's is another good suggestion. Even more parking and probably easier to get to/give directions to. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 17:10:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from eos.dns-solutions.net (eos.dns-solutions.net [209.66.124.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ALAKH02226 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3360 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2001 21:10:14 -0000 Received: from ip-207-178-83-254.nas.dsl.fcc.net (HELO R1100S) (207.178.83.254) by illuminedesigns.com - 207.178.83.254 with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 21:10:14 -0000 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:10:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c10984$b6d91e60$9865fea9@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 Importance: Normal Hello everyone, I'm new to the list (just signed up today...thanks Rob). I would prefer Emilio's as well. Great food, close to work. Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Paper [mailto:cerberus@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:05 PM > To: Rob Keiser > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch > > I'm partial to Emilios (since I suggested it :-). They also > open right at 11:30, so there shouldn't be any problem > getting tables/food at that time. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 17:26:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe18.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ALQ3H02535 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:13:59 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: Cc: References: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E73AF@lmimaila.lmi.org> Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:14:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C10963.B621DF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:13:59.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CBF39B0:01C10985] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C10963.B621DF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch11:30 at emilio's it is. brian: i don't know of any good or quick routes (everything between = mclean and sterling is crap), but here are two possibilities: if you're near the 123/66 interchange, take 66 west to 50 west to 28 = north. turn right on church road (opposite waxpool). emilio's is in = the shopping center on your right. if you're further east near rt 7, take rt 7 west to cascades parkway = south, turn right on church road. emilio's is in the shopping center on = the left just before you hit 28. chuck: here's the url for emilio's: http://www.shopsterling.com/business/emilios/index.html --=20 -greg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ROBERSON, Brian=20 To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:52 PM Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch I may be convinced to come down to Sterling from Mclean, if I can get = a good-quick route from Mclean!!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C10963.B621DF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch
11:30 at emilio's it is.
 
brian: i don't know of any good or = quick=20 routes (everything between mclean and sterling is crap), but here are = two=20 possibilities:
 
if you're near the 123/66 interchange, = take 66 west to 50 west to 28 north.  turn = right on=20 church road (opposite waxpool).  emilio's is in the shopping center = on your=20 right.
 
if you're further east near rt 7, take = rt 7 west to=20 cascades parkway south, turn right on church road.  emilio's is in = the=20 shopping center on the left just before you hit 28.
 
chuck: here's the url for = emilio's:
 
http://w= ww.shopsterling.com/business/emilios/index.html
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       =20 -greg
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ROBERSON, = Brian=20
To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 = 4:52=20 PM
Subject: RE: Ride To = Work...Ride To=20 Lunch

I may be convinced to come down to Sterling from = Mclean, if I=20 can get a good-quick route from Mclean!! =

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C10963.B621DF50-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 17:33:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ems.elever.com ([168.143.209.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ALXsH02728 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30745 invoked by uid 500); 10 Jul 2001 21:33:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@XXXXXX) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 21:33:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:33:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Mitchell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch In-Reply-To: <000201c10984$b6d91e60$9865fea9@R1100S> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm up for Emilio's too. See you folks there 11:30 on July 18. Cheers, Will Mitchell 99 VFR On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Wesleyan Hsu wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I'm new to the list (just signed up today...thanks Rob). I would prefer >Emilio's as well. Great food, close to work. > >Wes Hsu > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Paper [mailto:cerberus@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 4:05 PM >> To: Rob Keiser >> Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch >> >> I'm partial to Emilios (since I suggested it :-). They also >> open right at 11:30, so there shouldn't be any problem >> getting tables/food at that time. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 17:40:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ALeOH02811 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaio ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010710214017.DEEX19933.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:40:17 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c10988$ffcfdf60$6501a8c0@Home> From: "James Reazor" To: References: <000201c10984$b6d91e60$9865fea9@R1100S> Subject: Ride To Lunch...Grevey's Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 While we're on the subject, who plans on showing up at Grevey's? I have yet to attend a DCC event this year and am wondering who I can expect to see there. -James '00 SV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 17:55:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ALt1H03064 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkxcx16991 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:54:59 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkxcx27754 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:52:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD6E73AF@lmimaila.lmi.org> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:51:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1217320577==_ma============" --============_-1217320577==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" To confirm, my vote is Emilio's. I can't recall if I said that or not. If I did, forgive the repetition. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html --============_-1217320577==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch
To confirm, my vote is Emilio's. I can't recall if I said that or not. If I did, forgive the repetition.

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"For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it."

-Ernest Becker (1924-1974)

Sean Jordan
Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing
'93 Honda CBR1000F (Street)
'90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race)
WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038
http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html
--============_-1217320577==_ma============-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 17:58:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f117.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ALwrH03148 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:47:34 -0700 Received: from 204.193.255.42 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: ipcrc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDD085C0:01C10989] >Powerride sports had >some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at their Falls Church store about 2 >weeks ago. They had 4 in stock of varing sizes including a gray >one. HOWEVER, they were asking $199 for the jacket. OH...... MY...... GOD!!!!! Just goes to show you that the law of supply and demand APPLIES!!! >A local might try contacting powerride and telling them the suggested >retail on the Joe Rocket Website is 129.95 and see if they will lower >the price... HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!! FAT CHANCE!!!! Its more likely that these guys will put it on sale in October at the SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE, that is if they have any left and who could blame them?! Thats why I still call them Power-screw. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 18:27:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6AMRRH03683 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-43.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.43) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 22:27:23 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001e01c1098e$ade8b680$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "James Reazor" , References: <000201c10984$b6d91e60$9865fea9@R1100S> <003801c10988$ffcfdf60$6501a8c0@Home> Subject: Re: Ride To Lunch...Grevey's Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:21:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 That's probably the one I'm going to attend. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR ----- Original Message ----- From: James Reazor To: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:40 PM Subject: Ride To Lunch...Grevey's > While we're on the subject, who plans on showing up at Grevey's? I have > yet to attend a DCC event this year and am wondering who I can expect to see > there. > > -James > '00 SV _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 18:40:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6AMeJH03867 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 18:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22439 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Jul 2001 22:40:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20010710224016.22438.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:16 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:16 -0500 Subject: Looking for sheets of fiberglass I munched my oil-pan on the GS and will have to craft another one before racing again. Where do I find the stuff in nice big sheets? I guess I could use a turkey baster but that seems so gouche. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 19:11:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ems.elever.com ([168.143.209.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ANBFH04424 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30899 invoked by uid 500); 10 Jul 2001 23:11:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@XXXXXX) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jul 2001 23:11:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:11:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Mitchell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride To Lunch...Grevey's In-Reply-To: <001e01c1098e$ade8b680$0100a8c0@therock> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll be at Greveys too. It was great fun last time. Will Mitchell 99 VFR On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: >That's probably the one I'm going to attend. > >Chris Weaver >VTR, YSR > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: James Reazor >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:40 PM >Subject: Ride To Lunch...Grevey's > > >> While we're on the subject, who plans on showing up at Grevey's? I >have >> yet to attend a DCC event this year and am wondering who I can expect to >see >> there. >> >> -James >> '00 SV > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 21:31:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from belair_admin.lmi.org (global.lmi.org [198.3.128.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6B1V8H06770 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by belair_admin.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3S60YCZR>; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:30:59 -0400 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD4E807B@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'Rob Keiser '" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX '" Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:31:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C109A9.2444DBA0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C109A9.2444DBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rob, I want to attend the lunch where there will be the most VFRs.. Nah, just kidding!! I will probably have some tag-alongs, maybe up to 3 or so other guys w/ bikes.. I'll check out the locations and make a decision.. Thanks all for the input. Brian 99VFR 81CB750F (need to sell!!) -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sent: 7/10/2001 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Brian, Not to dissuade you from joining us in this area, but you'd be closer to the Ride to Lunch spot at Grevey's. http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ Otherwise, quickest route would be Dulles Toll Road to 28 North. 3 miles, turn right on Church. Next Right on Shaw. It's in the Plaza on your right. Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:52:33 -0400 I may be convinced to come down to Sterling from Mclean, if I can get a good-quick route from Mclean!! Brian 99VFR -----Original Message----- From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:26 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch OK, it looks like there's some interest! Excellent!! The top two nominees for the Herndon/Sterling area Ride to Lunch are: - Emilio's (Brick Oven Pizza) - Jimmy G's (NY style deli) Any other suggestions? or should we just do a quick vote with these? Both will be crowded during regular lunch time, as mentioned. I would suggest no later than 11:30 AM for either place. What do you say North-Western Virginia Area Bikers, where shall we meet??? Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Dave Paper To: Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote: > i'm in for a sterling lunch. emilio's is great, but can be mobbed and slow. It can be. That's why I suggested 11:45 as a good time to get there :) > i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the clocktower shopping center). > excellent subs. Jimmy G's is another good suggestion. Even more parking and probably easier to get to/give directions to. -dave -- Dave Paper AOL Network Operations cerberus@XXXXXX MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced --Jay It's no coincidence that people who blindly rely on computers and drugs are both called "users". --Unknown _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C109A9.2444DBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch

Rob,

I want to attend the lunch where there will be the = most VFRs..

Nah, just kidding!! I will probably have some = tag-alongs, maybe up to 3 or so other guys w/ bikes.. I'll check out = the locations and make a decision.. Thanks all for the = input.

Brian
99VFR
81CB750F (need to sell!!)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Keiser
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Sent: 7/10/2001 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch

Brian,

Not to dissuade you from joining us in this area, but = you'd be closer to
the
Ride to Lunch spot at Grevey's.

http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/

Otherwise, quickest route would be Dulles Toll Road = to 28 North.  3
miles,
turn right on Church.  Next Right on = Shaw.  It's in the Plaza on your
right.

Rob
'98 VFR800

----Original Message Follows----
From: "ROBERSON, Brian" = <broberso@XXXXXX>
To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" = <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: RE: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:52:33 -0400

I may be convinced to come down to Sterling from = Mclean, if I can get a
good-quick route from Mclean!!

Brian
99VFR

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Keiser [mailto:robkeiser@XXXXXX]<= /FONT>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 2:26 PM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX
Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch


OK, it looks like there's some interest!  = Excellent!!

The top two nominees for the Herndon/Sterling area = Ride to Lunch are:

- Emilio's  (Brick Oven Pizza)

- Jimmy G's (NY style deli)

Any other suggestions?  or should we just do a = quick vote with these?

Both will be crowded during regular lunch time, as = mentioned.  I would
suggest no later than 11:30 AM for either = place.

What do you say North-Western Virginia Area Bikers, = where shall we
meet???

Rob
'98 VFR800


----Original Message Follows----
From: Dave Paper <cerberus@XXXXXX>
To: <dc-cycles@XXXXXX>
Subject: Re: Ride To Work...Ride To Lunch
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT)

On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote:

  > i'm in for a sterling lunch.  = emilio's is great, but can be mobbed
and
slow.

It can be. That's why I suggested 11:45 as a good = time to get there :)

  > i'll suggest jimmy g's (on rt 7 in the = clocktower shopping center).
>
excellent subs.

Jimmy G's is another good suggestion. Even more = parking and probably
easier
to get to/give directions to.

-dave


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------_=_NextPart_001_01C109A9.2444DBA0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 22:56:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6B2u9H08073 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-218.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.218) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 02:56:06 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001101c109b4$32d270a0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: New Honda or Just Design Exercise? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:50:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Found this on the WERA BBS. Photos from the Laguna Seca races last weekend. Anyone have any idea what's behind this Honda? Single-sided swingarm, single sided "fork", perimeter-mounted brake discs, underseat radiator, radical new frame design, V4(?) engine, exhaust under the engine, all-digital clocks, strange new airbox design, etc. etc. etc.... Why haven't we heard about this yet? Or maybe I'm just living under a rock? Chris Weaver VTR, YSR p.s. Make sure you cut&paste these links if they run over to two lines. http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2478_80 0.jpg http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2477_80 0.jpg http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2446_80 0.jpg http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2447_80 0.jpg http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2448_80 0.jpg http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2449_80 0.jpg http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2450_80 0.jpg _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 23:05:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6B35vH08292 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO jefflg) (209.147.78.216) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 03:05:54 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "Suzookus Maximus" To: Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200107102301.f6AN1LJ04209@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Why bother with a store, just order it online. MotorcycleUSA has those jackets for $129.95 + $5-6 for UPS. If you can wait a couple days you will get it ~$70 cheaper. http://shop.store.yahoo.com/motorcycleusa/2339.html However law of supply and demand is correct. The Joe Rocket site lists that jacket as $139.95 now and says there might be a 4 week delay due to demand. :0 If you know your sizes for equipment and know what you want, its much easier to order on the net. Most cycle shops I go to don't ever have exactly what I want on a regular basis. I tried to buy a full suit of leathers in a store and found it MUCH easier just to call up AlpineStars, have them ship the suit out, try it on, send it back, order a bigger size, they ship it out, try it on, done! :) -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus >>-----Original Message----- >>X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] >>From: "Doug Allis" >>Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix >>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34.0812 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[EDD085C0:01C10989] >> >>>Powerride sports had >>>some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at their Falls Church store about 2 >>>weeks ago. They had 4 in stock of varing sizes including a gray >>>one. HOWEVER, they were asking $199 for the jacket. >> >>OH...... MY...... GOD!!!!! Just goes to show you that the law >>of supply and >>demand APPLIES!!! >> >>>A local might try contacting powerride and telling them the suggested >>>retail on the Joe Rocket Website is 129.95 and see if they will lower >>>the price... >> >>HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!! FAT CHANCE!!!! >> >>Its more likely that these guys will put it on sale in October at the >>SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE, that is if they have any left and who >>could blame >>them?! >> >>Thats why I still call them Power-screw. >>_________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 23:18:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6B3IOH08488 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711031823.39292.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.4] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:18:23 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: New Honda or Just Design Exercise? To: Chris Weaver , DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <001101c109b4$32d270a0$0100a8c0@therock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looks more like a V-Twin to me. Notice the one exhaust pipe on the front of the engine. Glenn --- Chris Weaver wrote: > Found this on the WERA BBS. Photos from the Laguna > Seca races last weekend. < Anyone have any idea what's behind this Honda? > Single-sided swingarm, single > sided "fork", perimeter-mounted brake discs, > underseat radiator, radical new > frame design, V4(?) engine, exhaust under the __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 23:21:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6B3LTH08572 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaio ([24.6.106.133]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010711032125.PCFU19933.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:21:25 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c109b8$a6fe4a40$6501a8c0@Home> From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" References: <001101c109b4$32d270a0$0100a8c0@therock> Subject: Re: New Honda or Just Design Exercise? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:22:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Coincidentily I just read a blurb about this beastie at http://www.motorcycledaily.com/09july01newamericansports.html Not quite sure what I think about it. It sort of looks like 2 seperate machines super glued together top to bottom. -James '00 SV From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 23:26:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6B3QQH08615 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-135.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.135) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 03:26:24 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001101c109b9$12a3a9c0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: New Harley Sportster Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:04:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 MCN decided to break a news blackout about this bike before it's release on the 13th. Harley'll be pissed, but here's one knockout of a bike. I'm very impressed with H-D's direction here (I never thought I'd say that). http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=212131&documentID=68922 Chris Weaver p.s. As usual, cut&paste the URL if it wraps to two lines. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 10 23:26:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6B3QSH08618 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-135.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.135) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 03:26:26 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001201c109b9$13e10bc0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: New Sportster Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:25:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 MCN decided to break a news blackout about this bike before it's release on the 13th. Harley'll be pissed, but here's one knockout of a bike. I'm very impressed with H-D's direction here (I never thought I'd say that). http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=212131&documentID=68922 Chris Weaver p.s. As usual, cut&paste the URL if it wraps to two lines. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 08:01:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BC1aH17309 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GGB00D5G5E6CE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:01:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GGB00H015E520@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:01:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GGB00G2T5DTCV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:01:05 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:00:49 -0400 From: Robert Verde Subject: Lunch on 18th To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <005201c10a01$210c3de0$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Put me down as another attendee at Emilio's on the 18th, 11:30am. Robert Verde (Probably on my wife's bike: '88 Yamaha FZR400) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 08:11:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hermal004i0.teligent.net ([64.64.159.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BCBxH17434 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hermal004i0.teligent.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3G4C31GR>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:11:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wimer, Peter" To: "'Suzookus Maximus'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:11:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got my Joe Rocket jacket at Whitt's Suzuki in Manassas for $139.95+tax. It was the last one they had in stock, but they are expecting more in before the end of the month. Pete Wimer -----Original Message----- From: Suzookus Maximus [mailto:suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:04 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix Why bother with a store, just order it online. MotorcycleUSA has those jackets for $129.95 + $5-6 for UPS. If you can wait a couple days you will get it ~$70 cheaper. http://shop.store.yahoo.com/motorcycleusa/2339.html However law of supply and demand is correct. The Joe Rocket site lists that jacket as $139.95 now and says there might be a 4 week delay due to demand. :0 If you know your sizes for equipment and know what you want, its much easier to order on the net. Most cycle shops I go to don't ever have exactly what I want on a regular basis. I tried to buy a full suit of leathers in a store and found it MUCH easier just to call up AlpineStars, have them ship the suit out, try it on, send it back, order a bigger size, they ship it out, try it on, done! :) -jeff ===== ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus >>-----Original Message----- >>X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] >>From: "Doug Allis" >>Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix >>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34.0812 (UTC) >>FILETIME=[EDD085C0:01C10989] >> >>>Powerride sports had >>>some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at their Falls Church store about 2 >>>weeks ago. They had 4 in stock of varing sizes including a gray >>>one. HOWEVER, they were asking $199 for the jacket. >> >>OH...... MY...... GOD!!!!! Just goes to show you that the law >>of supply and >>demand APPLIES!!! >> >>>A local might try contacting powerride and telling them the suggested >>>retail on the Joe Rocket Website is 129.95 and see if they will lower >>>the price... >> >>HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!! FAT CHANCE!!!! >> >>Its more likely that these guys will put it on sale in October at the >>SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE, that is if they have any left and who >>could blame >>them?! >> >>Thats why I still call them Power-screw. >>_________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 08:17:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9704.mail.yahoo.com (web9704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.140]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BCHDH17606 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711121710.39354.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:17:10 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:17:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix To: dhallis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Powerride sports had >some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at their Falls Church store about 2 >weeks ago. They had 4 in stock of varing sizes including a gray >one. HOWEVER, they were asking $199 for the jacket. Shenandoah Honda has them (or at least did on Saturday) in XL and up for list price. And they even gave me a discount because I'm an MSF instructor. I think I got the last large on the east coast. Good luck, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 08:27:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BCR9H17777 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA05865 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:35:01 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: Subject: RE: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010711121710.39354.qmail@web9704.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Anyone here have a Joe Rocket Meteor 3.0 jacket? How is it? Gary Foreman (TL Owners Club) mailto:gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com -----Original Message----- From: Scratch [mailto:iefbr142000@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 8:17 AM To: dhallis@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix >Powerride sports had >some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at their Falls Church store about 2 >weeks ago. They had 4 in stock of varing sizes including a gray >one. HOWEVER, they were asking $199 for the jacket. Shenandoah Honda has them (or at least did on Saturday) in XL and up for list price. And they even gave me a discount because I'm an MSF instructor. I think I got the last large on the east coast. Good luck, Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 08:28:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9707.mail.yahoo.com (web9707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BCSmH17790 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711122846.18159.qmail@web9707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.42] by web9707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:28:46 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 05:28:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: Re: New Honda or Just Design Exercise? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just Design Exercise. But IMHO, a much better looking bike than the Aprilia Futura. I saw that one in person at the Philly show, and couldn't stop wretching. Oops. That wasn't very humble, was it? Ah well. Some people think Sprint STs are obscenely bland. There's no accounting for taste. Rich <'00 Sprint ST> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 09:03:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BD3NH18340 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.231.134.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.231.134]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25008; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4C4EBE.97EEA89C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:03:58 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: James Reazor Subject: Re: Ride To Lunch...Grevey's References: <000201c10984$b6d91e60$9865fea9@R1100S> <003801c10988$ffcfdf60$6501a8c0@Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James, I think Grevey's was originally suggested by The Horkster so his attendance is absolutely mandatory! I plan to be at Grevey's. Since it's just off the beltway at Route 50, it's easy to get to for most anyone wanting to ride there coming from Alexandria, Arlington, Falls Church, Springfield, Tysons Corner ... so I'm hoping we'll have a pretty good crowd of DCCers there. The Rock in DC is a great location for DCCers in DC. And for those who work just across the river (e.g., Crystal City, Rosslyn, The Pentagon, and probably even Old Town). Thanks to Trey! We've got at least Montgomery County covered in MD with Louisiana Express in Bethesda. Thanks to Lisa! And looks like we've got the "western suburbs" in Northern Virginia on board with Emilio's in Sterling. Thanks to Rob! I hope we have good crowds at all the locations. If someone could report back a bike count at each one, that would be great! Thanx! Chuck James Reazor wrote: > > While we're on the subject, who plans on showing up at Grevey's? I have > yet to attend a DCC event this year and am wondering who I can expect to see > there. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 09:09:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BD98H18429 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14280 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2001 13:09:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2001 13:09:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c10a0b$2b701bd0$39200340@dcpiii1000> From: "Dave" To: "Gary Foreman" , References: Subject: Re: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:12:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 > Anyone here have a Joe Rocket Meteor 3.0 jacket? How is it? > There are 10 reviews of the Joe Rocket Meteor 3.0 Jacket at http://www.motorcyclegearreview.com Dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 09:18:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BDI9H18604 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711131808.41916.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.88.84.247] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:18:08 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 06:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Lissa To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Floss promotions presents the Extreme Sports World Famous Motorcycle Show at Webster Hall on July 14th doors open at 10pm instead of import carz we got motorcyclez and stripperz u know~!~ featuring .quadz .a fashion show with the hottest models sportin the newest motorcycle trends .the sexiest strippers and music by dj Ricky Corbo This gonna be a biggggggg party~!~!~ Spread the word aiight!~!~! To get on the guestlist and for more information e-mail me back at lamorena1@XXXXXX I'm making the final guestlist which if your on it gets you reduced admission on thurs. so send me your first name and last initial by then. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 09:21:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BDLSH18698 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.231.134.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.231.134]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA14701; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4C5079.A0712E53@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:11:21 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Chris Weaver , Mark Kitchell , Richard Pelletier Subject: Informal bike night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A handful of us who live in Arlington have decided to ride our m/c's and get together tonight at The Java Shack, 2507 N. Franklin Rd for an impromptu/informal bike night at 8pm. Most of you know that The Java Shack is my favorite coffeehouse (I've been going there since the day they first started serving coffee, which was actually before they officially opened and the owner, Dale Roberts, is a good friend) and where I've started quite a few of the group rides I've led. If you live in Arlington (or just feel like riding there) and enjoy good coffee, you're welcome to join us. If you haven't been there before, The Java Shack is on N. Franklin Rd. at the intersection of N. Barton St. and Wilson Blvd., next door to Mr. Tire. More info, including directions, can be found at http://www.javashack.com. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 09:51:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BDpkH19180 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkxfj27328; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:51:43 GMT Received: from usashexims04.corp.us.uu.net by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.84.15]) id QQkxfj14126; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:47:57 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:48:23 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dhallis@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:48:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Doug Allis" To: ipcrc@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 Powerride sports had some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at their Falls Church store about 2 weeks ago. They had 4 in stock of varing sizes including a gray one. HOWEVER, they were asking $199 for the jacket.... I recently ordered the JR Phoenix jacket from the Motorcycle Accessory Warehouse for $123.90, including handling ($3.91)AND shipping (free!). It's on backorder but is still a great deal and you can track your order on-line. Also, I was recently at another local bike shop and saw the very same Kryptonite lock I ordered from Competition Accessories for $29.95, priced at $45.00. This proves, yet again, that it definitely pays to shop around and that anyone with Internet access should not have to buy anything, E-V-E-R from PowerRide. http://www.accwhse.com/ http://www.competitionaccessories.com/ Sally From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 10:22:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (imo-d06.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BEMBH19662 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id r.25.17e100ef (15708); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v78_r3.8) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:21:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:21:55 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: New Honda or Just Design Exercise? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <25.17e100ef.287dbb04@aol.com> It's a concept bike. Honda had it set up at their tent to get people's opinion on it and see if it was something they wanted to mass produce. I checked it out while I was there. Schweet!!! I think that tent drew the biggest crowd. :-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:58:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chris Weaver" writes: > Found this on the WERA BBS. Photos from the Laguna Seca races last weekend. > Anyone have any idea what's behind this Honda? Single-sided swingarm, single > sided "fork", perimeter-mounted brake discs, underseat radiator, radical new > frame design, V4(?) engine, exhaust under the engine, all-digital clocks, > strange new airbox design, etc. etc. etc.... Why haven't we heard about this > yet? Or maybe I'm just living under a rock? > > Chris Weaver > VTR, YSR > > p.s. Make sure you cut&paste these links if they run over to two lines. > > > http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2478_80 > 0.jpg > http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2477_80 > 0.jpg > http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2446_80 > 0.jpg > http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2447_80 > 0.jpg > http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2448_80 > 0.jpg > http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2449_80 > 0.jpg > http://www.bayareavfr.com/pictures/cam/20010706-Friday_WSB_Races/DSCN2450_80 > 0.jpg > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 10:30:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BEUaH19840 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27970 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web10008.mail.yahoo.com (web10008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.44]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20219 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711143028.92678.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.104.54.1] by web10008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:30:28 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe To: dc DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a question for you racers out there. I am thinking about buying a 929 (after hearing about all the great bargains on then from this list). My only issue with the bike is that the pipe is so high, I am afraid that I will burn my saddlebags on a trip. I went to Powerride a while ago and noticed that I can put the bags on with like an inch of clearance but I worry that while riding the bouncing around will use up that clearance. Anyway, Chris Weaver mentioned to me that a lot of racers put some sort of heat wrap around the pipe to prevent burning their legs (or whatever). Can you actually touch the pipe with this wrap on? If not, is it cool enough so that a saddlebag touching it regularly would not burn? (Remember the bag won't be resting on the pipe, but will probably be contacting it every few seconds or so). -Also, is this wrap adhesive and will it leave some sort of residue on the pipe? -Can the wrap be installed/removed easily? -How much does it cost, where can I get it? Thanks for any and all input. --Paresh PS - I thought about getting a carbon fiber can but I really want to keep the bike as close to stock as possible. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 10:35:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f132.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BEZQH19930 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:23:51 -0700 Received: from 162.129.144.91 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:23:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [162.129.144.91] From: "Devin Ginther" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 95 GSXR1100 for sale Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:23:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 14:23:51.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BA1E3F0:01C10A15] If anyone is interested or knows someone please email or call me. I have a showroom condition 1995 GSXR1100 for sale. This bike is perfect and shines like a champ. I true HP/torque machine. It is new D207's front and back (1500 miles on them). Bike has a total of 5000 miles and has been excellently maintained. I'm asking $5400. Located in Baltimore. Please spread the word. I do have a picture I can email. Devin Ginther 443-418-8659 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 10:42:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fastandwily.com (003.066.021.004.virginia.com [4.21.66.3] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BEgdH20039 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:41:06 -0400 Message-Id: <200107111041.AA84672738@fastandwily.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Scott Luttrell" Reply-To: To: "DC Cycle mailing list" Subject: Re: Looking for sheets of fiberglass X-Mailer: I by sheets of matt fiberglass from a local corvette bodyshop. They don't normally have any finer weave fiberglass then the Matt stuff, but I can find finer weave stuff at surfshops when I'm around the beach. Scott Luttrell Fast & Wily Racing www.fastandwily.com ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Matthew Patton" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:40:16 -0500 >I munched my oil-pan on the GS and will have to craft another one before racing again. Where do I find the stuff in nice big sheets? I guess I could use a turkey baster but that seems so gouche. >-- > > >"In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured > only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or > property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, > actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com > > >Powered by Outblaze > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 10:52:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BEq2H20191 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.215.156.230.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [63.215.156.230]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10296; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4C6831.F0071933@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:52:33 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night reminder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a reminder that the next Bike Night is next Tuesday, July 17th at Grevey's in Falls Church. All the info is on the Bike Night website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Also, "Ride to Lunch" is the next day -- Wednesday, July 17th -- as part of national Ride To Work Day. Ride your moto to work and to lunch! So far, the confirmed locations are: - Grevey's in Falls Church at noon - The Rock in DC at noon - Louisiana Express in Bethesda at noon - Emilio's in Sterling at 11:30am Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 11:03:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BF32H20364 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28122 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21109 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f6BF2pf23148; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:02:53 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Paresh Karandikar , dc DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:02:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010711143028.92678.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010711143028.92678.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0107111102510A.01034@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Paresh Karandikar wrote: > -Also, is this wrap adhesive and will it leave some > sort of residue on the pipe? > -Can the wrap be installed/removed easily? > -How much does it cost, where can I get it? Heat wrap still gets hot... but not as hot as the bare metal :) It leaves a gooey mess when you remove it. The thing is... the wrap is used to change thermal characteristics of the exhaust... it may or may not have an effect on performance in your application, but it's something to think about. In leui of using the wrap, you might think about something along the lines of your carbon fiber can theory... buy a couple sheets of 1/8 inch carbon fiber and affix them to the back of your saddlebags. We use this method on our racebikes to keep from burning up the heels of our boots by pop-riveting a piece onto the exhaust where it comes up behind the right side footpeg. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 11:53:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BFr1H21233 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.215.156.230.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [63.215.156.230]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26081 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4C7681.83C31765@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:53:37 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Tankbag for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MARSEE MINI MAGNETIC TANKBAG 2 years old. Perfect for a sportbike (it's what I used on my RIP GSXR750). Top map pocket. Small internal zipper pocket. Elastic loops for holding pens, tire guage, etc. Can hold a fair amount of stuff. Plus it's expandable to hold even more. It's pretty similar to the current Marsee 8-liter and 10-liter Pocket Rocket tankbags http://www.marseeproducts.com/page/tankbg3.html For a review of the "Pocket Rocket" Marsee tank bag go to http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/marseebags/marseebags.html This tankbag was on my GSXR when I had my "Deerhunter" crash. It's still in good (but not perfect) condition -- no rips, tears, or anything otherwise broken. I'd still use it except the tank on my FZR is plastic so a magnetic tank bag won't stick! A new one of these would probably cost ~$80. You can have this one for $40 ... as long as you're willing to come to Arlington (Rosslyn) to pick it up. Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 11:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BFxuH21313 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6BFxTb02994 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05126 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil (ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.14.153]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05120 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 85256A86.00583FFC ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:03:55 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NSWCDD_NDEPT From: jrsteve@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256A86.00583EBB.00@ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:02:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I think I saw someone mention this a few weeks ago, but have deleted my mail, so sorry for the possible repeat: Does anyone have any info - good, bad or indifferent - about GRD Cycles in White Plains, MD? (For maintenance, that is... I believe they do sales of used bikes as well.) BTW, Atlantic Cycle and Power laughed at me when I asked them to work on my bike... too old, I guess! :-P I get this in digest, so off-line responses will get to me sooner... Thanks, ~~~~~~~~~~~ John Stevens '77 Suzuki GS750 Waldorf, MD From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 13:04:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (es05.hosts.jhmi.edu [162.129.224.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BH49H22362 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (stevendipietro.peabody1.jhmi.edu [10.224.65.91]) by es05.hosts.jhmi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10246; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4C846F.CE3501D8@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:53:03 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suzookus Maximus CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Joe Rocket Pheonix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, If your interested in the Joe Rocket Phoenix, I heard that they're coming out with Red and Blue, to go with the Gray and Black that's available now. I heard that from the Tucker/ Rocky Distributor while I was at Cycle World's Suzuki Open House last weekend. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director National Marketing Coordinator Suzuki Owners Club USA 142 Circle Road Pasadena Md. 21122-6036 http://www.soc-usa.org Suzookus Maximus wrote: > Why bother with a store, just order it online. MotorcycleUSA has those > jackets for $129.95 + $5-6 for UPS. If you can wait a couple days you will > get it ~$70 cheaper. > > http://shop.store.yahoo.com/motorcycleusa/2339.html > > However law of supply and demand is correct. The Joe Rocket site lists that > jacket as $139.95 now and says there might be a 4 week delay due to demand. > :0 > > If you know your sizes for equipment and know what you want, its much easier > to order on the net. Most cycle shops I go to don't ever have exactly what I > want on a regular basis. I tried to buy a full suit of leathers in a store > and found it MUCH easier just to call up AlpineStars, have them ship the > suit out, try it on, send it back, order a bigger size, they ship it out, > try it on, done! :) > > -jeff > > ===== > ->bikes: '00 GSX-R750, 01 SV650 > ->email: suzookusmaximus@XXXXXX > ->web: http://profiles.yahoo.com/suzookusmaximus > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] > >>From: "Doug Allis" > >>Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix > >>Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 > >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34.0812 (UTC) > >>FILETIME=[EDD085C0:01C10989] > >> > >>>Powerride sports had > >>>some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at their Falls Church store about 2 > >>>weeks ago. They had 4 in stock of varing sizes including a gray > >>>one. HOWEVER, they were asking $199 for the jacket. > >> > >>OH...... MY...... GOD!!!!! Just goes to show you that the law > >>of supply and > >>demand APPLIES!!! > >> > >>>A local might try contacting powerride and telling them the suggested > >>>retail on the Joe Rocket Website is 129.95 and see if they will lower > >>>the price... > >> > >>HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!! FAT CHANCE!!!! > >> > >>Its more likely that these guys will put it on sale in October at the > >>SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE, that is if they have any left and who > >>could blame > >>them?! > >> > >>Thats why I still call them Power-screw. > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 13:09:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailhub1a.TRW.COM (mailhub1a.TRW.COM [129.193.4.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BH9JH22442 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from navieg2.trw.com by mailhub1a.TRW.COM for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:08:32 -0700 Received: from resva-gs1.resva.trw.com ([158.114.112.210]) by navieg2 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001071110103714196 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:10:38 -0700 Received: from SITG-GW-Message_Server by resva-gs1.resva.trw.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:08:26 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:08:18 -0400 From: "Randy Moran" To: Subject: Pipe Wrap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6BH9LH22443 Paresh Karandikar asked <> Paresh, I had pipe wrap on my racer last year. I had SpeedWerks install it as an attempt to keep my pipe from burning a hole in my oil retaining lower fairing. The short version is that it didn't work. The pipe is still very hot (No, you can't touch it without burning yourself), and according to Steve Long at SpeedWerks, installation ranges from a minor to major PITA, depending on the bike. I'm guessing the 929 would fall in the "major" area, just based on the number of headers. Sorry, I don't remember the cost. As Brian indicated, this stuff is not meant to protect anything; it's meant to affect performance gains by raising the exhaust gas temperature within the wrapped section of pipe. HTH and Good luck, Randy Moran From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 13:44:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BHi5H23028 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29218 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA26542 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:43:52 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:43:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: pkarandi@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:43:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 17:43:52.0813 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CD649D0:01C10A31] Another way to look might be to go with a different bag system for the bike. Perhaps a top rack with a Givi bag, or the soft Ventura system. Just a thought. Rob '98 VFR800 Givi Top Case and Micron Rt Hi Alum Oval ----Original Message Follows---- From: Paresh Karandikar To: dc DC-Cycles Subject: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:30:28 -0700 (PDT) I have a question for you racers out there. I am thinking about buying a 929 (after hearing about all the great bargains on then from this list). My only issue with the bike is that the pipe is so high, I am afraid that I will burn my saddlebags on a trip. I went to Powerride a while ago and noticed that I can put the bags on with like an inch of clearance but I worry that while riding the bouncing around will use up that clearance. Anyway, Chris Weaver mentioned to me that a lot of racers put some sort of heat wrap around the pipe to prevent burning their legs (or whatever). Can you actually touch the pipe with this wrap on? If not, is it cool enough so that a saddlebag touching it regularly would not burn? (Remember the bag won't be resting on the pipe, but will probably be contacting it every few seconds or so). -Also, is this wrap adhesive and will it leave some sort of residue on the pipe? -Can the wrap be installed/removed easily? -How much does it cost, where can I get it? Thanks for any and all input. --Paresh PS - I thought about getting a carbon fiber can but I really want to keep the bike as close to stock as possible. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 14:10:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BIAGH23478 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) id <0GGB00H01MG895@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0GGB00G6CMG8KT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <34ZCHHZN>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:09:46 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:09:41 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Where it get Hex/Allen keys individually in NoVA? To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6806807AE@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got hundreds of metric allen/hex keys floating around - but have managed to lose the ones I need. Does anyone know somewhere in NoVA to buy the wrenches individually? I'm tired of buying sets of wrenches for just one size... Thanks, -Calvin From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 14:14:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com (ws3.us2.outblaze.com [208.184.211.199]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BIEwH23575 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28363 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Jul 2001 18:14:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010711181456.28362.qmail@theglobe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) Received: from ws3.us2.outblaze.com for [209.117.173.15] via web-mailer on Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:14:56 -0500 From: "Matthew Patton" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:14:56 -0500 Subject: BEWARE!! Re: Cheap Riding/Racing Gear -----Original Message----- From: Sean Jordan > Saw this pop up on the WERA BBS. Looks like some pretty good prices. > 301 area code is Maryland, which is where AGV used to be.... > http://www.intersport2.com/closeout/index.htm I ordered a Q3 helmet since I wanted a spare in the event of an encounter with terra-firma on racing weekends. I just got it and discovered to my horror they are selling 5 yr old helmets!! Intentional or not, I don't know, but this is unacceptable practice. 5 yr old helmets are trash just like ones that have been in a crash. Be careful about buying helmets on close-out. -- "In a free society, standards of public morality can be measured only by whether physical coercion or violence against persons or property occurs. There is no right not to be offended by words, actions or symbols." - Richard E. Sincere, JR. _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.theglobe.com Powered by Outblaze From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 15:29:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.nasd.com (mail2.nasd.com [204.71.174.196]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BJTBH24809 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkv-srv-wssp2 (rkv-srv-wssp2.rkv.nasd.com [150.123.150.22]) by mail2.nasd.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03192 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 150.123.90.75 by rkv-srv-wssp2 with ESMTP (Tumbleweed MMS SMTP Relay (MMS v4.7)); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:29:19 -0400 X-Server-Uuid: 3c44c092-e9c9-445a-86b1-536a7b104ca9 Received: from rkv-srv-mta1.rkv.nasd.com ([150.123.93.38]) by rksunsims2.rkv.nasd.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0GGB00HHPQ4E2J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by RKV-SRV-MTA1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3WTQ0YHT>; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:28:27 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:28:57 -0400 From: "Navarro, Edmond" Subject: Bike for sale '95 YZF-600R To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-ID: <71EBE45B00DAD211A8690008C7B941FC089EC353@rkv-srv-exch1.rkv.nasd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-WSS-ID: 17527685123258-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1995 YZF-600R Blue/Purple. Bike is in great condition, with 11K miles. New tires (Dunlop Sportmax ZR 17), Oakley tinted windshield, stock pipe. Price is $3700. If interested replay via email or call Eddy @ 240-372-0543. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 15:49:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BJnsH25127 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA42423529 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:49:42 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010711154829.00aafd50@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:49:00 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Fwd: Re: Where it get Hex/Allen keys individually in NoVA? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >At 02:09 PM 7/11/01, Calvin wrote >>I've got hundreds of metric allen/hex keys floating around - but have >>managed to lose the ones I need. Does anyone know somewhere in NoVA to buy >>the wrenches individually? I'm tired of buying sets of wrenches for just >>one size... > > >Sears sells 1.5mm to 10mm, plus 12mm and 17mm hex keys individually on >their Web site. The stores might stock them... > >-- Larry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 16:03:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BK3MH25364 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6BK3Eq15443 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:03:14 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711160225.029ec220@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:03:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Where it get Hex/Allen keys individually in NoVA? In-Reply-To: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6806807AE@resie03.ie.cw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sears Hardware had them a few months ago. There is a SH at the Multiplex Cinema in Centreville (just past 29 on 28S) At 02:09 PM 7/11/01, you wrote: >I've got hundreds of metric allen/hex keys floating around - but have >managed to lose the ones I need. Does anyone know somewhere in NoVA to buy >the wrenches individually? I'm tired of buying sets of wrenches for just >one size... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 16:09:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BK9DH25454 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (dialup7.megapipe.net [208.218.73.7]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 101 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA02995 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:05:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c10a45$8b65a480$0749dad0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: FS: '98 VFR800 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:10:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 '98 VFR800 FI, Red 19.8k Mi. Looks and runs great! New batt, tires, brakes, chain & sprockets. D&D exh. $6500 bnorton@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 16:18:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f166.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BKITH25654 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:06:33 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:06:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Where it get Hex/Allen keys individually in NoVA? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:06:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 20:06:33.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB3F5450:01C10A44] Sears has a hardware store right off of 7100 Fairfax County Parkway: Sears Hardware Store HERNDON - HDWR 13348 FRANKLIN FARM RD HERNDON, VA 20171 (703)481-5270 Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Larry Larson To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Fwd: Re: Where it get Hex/Allen keys individually in NoVA? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:49:00 -0400 >At 02:09 PM 7/11/01, Calvin wrote >>I've got hundreds of metric allen/hex keys floating around - but have >>managed to lose the ones I need. Does anyone know somewhere in NoVA to >>buy >>the wrenches individually? I'm tired of buying sets of wrenches for just >>one size... > > >Sears sells 1.5mm to 10mm, plus 12mm and 17mm hex keys individually on >their Web site. The stores might stock them... > >-- Larry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 16:42:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f9.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BKgvH26064 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:31:36 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:31:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:31:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 20:31:36.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B4CAC30:01C10A48] I would like to get back into target shooting with my Glock 22 (feel free to start gun/flame thread here) and was wondering if there are any relatively local firing ranges? I used to go to On Target in Severn, MD, but that's just too damn far. Any suggestions? I remember hearing something about the NRA site off of 66, but don't know the specifics there. Anywhere else? Thanks. Rob '98 VFR800 Bike Content: Maybe we could have a Ride to Shoot event, in light of all the other ' Ride to's ' going on soon. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 16:47:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BKlqH26156 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkxgl24504; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:47:50 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkxgk02181; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:43:13 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:43:11 -0400 To: dccycles2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Local Firing Ranges? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I would like to get back into target shooting with my Glock 22 (feel free to >start gun/flame thread here) and was wondering if there are any relatively >local firing ranges? I used to go to On Target in Severn, MD, but that's >just too damn far. Any suggestions? I like Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly. Their right around the corner from Rt 28./ Rt. 50. $12.50 an hour for range time. They also rent an assortment of handguns for $6.50. (You must use their ammo, though.) I would be up for a ride and shoot. I'm about to attempt loading my own 9mm & .357 squib loads for target shooting....initial research suggests I should be able to save 50% over regular ammo. Hey, Laura, want to help organize a Ride 'n' Shoot? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 16:56:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BKuBH26244 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711205604.91108.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:56:04 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix To: "Wood, Sally" , "'dhallis@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > > From: "Doug Allis" > Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 > > Powerride sports had some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at > their Falls Church store about 2 weeks ago. They had 4 > in stock of varing sizes including a gray one. HOWEVER, > they were asking $199 for the jacket.... > > > > I recently ordered the JR Phoenix jacket from the > Motorcycle Accessory > Warehouse for $123.90, including handling ($3.91)AND > shipping (free!). It's > on backorder but is still a great deal and you can track > your order on-line. ahhh.....yes.....i remember "tracking" my MAW order online. each month i would log in to check the status of my backordered tank bra in order to verify that it wasn't in and that it likely wasn't ever going to be. MAW was also kind enough to send me a bi-monthly notice that it was still backordered. what a lovely establishment! ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 16:59:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BKxvH26344 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6BKxmq15620; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:59:48 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010711165832.028f9a90@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:59:45 -0400 To: dccycles2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Local Firing Ranges? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:43 PM 7/11/01, Sean Jordan wrote: >I like Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly. Their right around the corner from >Rt 28./ Rt. 50. $12.50 an hour for range time. They also rent an >assortment of handguns for $6.50. (You must use their ammo, though.) I >would be up for a ride and shoot. I'm about to attempt loading my own 9mm >& .357 squib loads for target shooting....initial research suggests I >should be able to save 50% over regular ammo. Hey, Laura, want to help >organize a Ride 'n' Shoot? Laura will have a long drive for a ride n shoot pretty soon. I'm up for Blue Ridge any time. Tomcat .32 and Ruger 9mm. Even took my 20 Gauge there once. Fun. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 17:00:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BL0vH26437 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711210045.33970.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:00:45 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:00:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Tankbag for sale To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3B4C7681.83C31765@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii whoever purchases chuck's bag should also consider making me an offer on my matching mint marsee 33l cordura saddlebags --- Chuck Pena wrote: > MARSEE MINI MAGNETIC TANKBAG > > 2 years old. Perfect for a sportbike (it's what I used > on my RIP > GSXR750). Top map pocket. Small internal zipper pocket. > Elastic loops > for holding pens, tire guage, etc. Can hold a fair > amount of stuff. > Plus it's expandable to hold even more. > > It's pretty similar to the current Marsee 8-liter and > 10-liter Pocket > Rocket tankbags > http://www.marseeproducts.com/page/tankbg3.html > > For a review of the "Pocket Rocket" Marsee tank bag go to > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/marseebags/marseebags.html ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 17:12:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BLCNH26631 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00769 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04145 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711211219.16853.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:12:19 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe To: Paresh Karandikar , dc DC-Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010711143028.92678.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Paresh Karandikar wrote: > I have a question for you racers out there. I am > thinking about buying a 929 (after hearing about all > the great bargains on then from this list). My only > issue with the bike is that the pipe is so high, I am > afraid that I will burn my saddlebags on a trip. I > went to Powerride a while ago and noticed that I can > put the bags on with like an inch of clearance but I > worry that while riding the bouncing around will use > up that clearance. not a racer, but chiming in nonetheless.... cheapest solution: sell current bags and replace with suitable ones (those that provide more clearance and have protective patches built in). the pipe on the 929 really isn't that high, so my guess is you don't currently own saddlebags designed for a sportbike. tg's solution: stick with current setup and pack pajamas and certain food items in right saddlebag ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 17:12:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BLCmH26641 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkxgm26984; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:12:46 GMT Received: from usashexims01.corp.us.uu.net by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.80.14]) id QQkxgm12321; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:12:34 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'Tom Gimer'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:12:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's nice, Tom. :-/ Well, at least they don't charge you for the item 'til they send it....or do they?! I've never had one problem ordering on-line and I do almost all of my shopping over the Internet because I detest malls. I really hope this is not the exception. However, it does remind me of that age old saying: "If something seems too good to be true..." -----Original Message----- From: Tom Gimer [mailto:t_gimer@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 4:56 PM To: Wood, Sally; 'dhallis@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix --- "Wood, Sally" wrote: > > From: "Doug Allis" > Subject: Re: PC800: Joe Rocket Phoenix > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:47:34 > > Powerride sports had some Joe Rocket Phoenix jackets at > their Falls Church store about 2 weeks ago. They had 4 > in stock of varing sizes including a gray one. HOWEVER, > they were asking $199 for the jacket.... > > > > I recently ordered the JR Phoenix jacket from the > Motorcycle Accessory > Warehouse for $123.90, including handling ($3.91)AND > shipping (free!). It's > on backorder but is still a great deal and you can track > your order on-line. ahhh.....yes.....i remember "tracking" my MAW order online. each month i would log in to check the status of my backordered tank bra in order to verify that it wasn't in and that it likely wasn't ever going to be. MAW was also kind enough to send me a bi-monthly notice that it was still backordered. what a lovely establishment! ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 17:30:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from proteus.argoneng.com (argoneng.com [208.247.255.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BLUjH26976 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by proteus.argoneng.com; id RAA21469; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.10) by proteus.argoneng.com via smap (V5.0) id xma021458; Wed, 11 Jul 01 17:46:54 -0400 Received: from wt.argoneng.com (192.168.40.153 [192.168.40.153]) by hermes.in.argoneng.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 3K7QM94V; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:29:27 -0400 Received: from amberjack.net (IDENT:mlundqui@XXXXXX [192.168.20.77]) by wt.argoneng.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6BLUs130683; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:30:58 -0400 Sender: mlundqui@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3B4CC58A.5F4113DB@amberjack.net> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:30:50 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mlundquist@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------62403F9042DC93AD30DFDC6B" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------62403F9042DC93AD30DFDC6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Keiser wrote: > > I would like to get back into target shooting with my Glock 22 (feel free to > start gun/flame thread here) and was wondering if there are any relatively > local firing ranges? I used to go to On Target in Severn, MD, but that's > just too damn far. Any suggestions? > The NRA Range (Waples Mill Rd) is very nice. They don't rent weapons (hmm, wonder why), but you can shoot almost anything there (up to .460 Weatherby Magnum & Shotgun slugs only). Price $12/hour for NRA Members (they only enforce the time if people are waiting) $15/hour public NRA HQ Range http://www.nrahq.org/shooting/shootingrange/range.asp -- Mark Lundquist Argon Engineering mlundquist@XXXXXX 703.621.3945 If you board the wrong train, it is no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer --------------62403F9042DC93AD30DFDC6B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mark.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for mark Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mark.vcf" begin:vcard n:Lundquist;Mark x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Bit Twiddlers adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:mlundquist@XXXXXX title:Software Engineer x-mozilla-cpt:;-10208 fn:Mark Lundquist end:vcard --------------62403F9042DC93AD30DFDC6B-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 17:39:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10508.mail.yahoo.com (web10508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6BLdGH27086 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711213914.63720.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [166.94.49.48] by web10508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:39:14 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Local Firing Ranges? To: Sean Jordan , dccycles2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't like Blue Ridge, the lighting is poor and the ventilation terrible. At least it was, the last time I was there. I since joined the NRA Range in Fairfax, nice range with targets that will edge and face. Much better range. Todd --- Sean Jordan wrote: > >I would like to get back into target shooting with > my Glock 22 (feel free to > >start gun/flame thread here) and was wondering if > there are any relatively > >local firing ranges? I used to go to On Target in > Severn, MD, but that's > >just too damn far. Any suggestions? > > I like Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly. Their right > around the corner > from Rt 28./ Rt. 50. $12.50 an hour for range time. > They also rent an > assortment of handguns for $6.50. (You must use > their ammo, though.) > I would be up for a ride and shoot. I'm about to > attempt loading my > own 9mm & .357 squib loads for target > shooting....initial research > suggests I should be able to save 50% over regular > ammo. Hey, Laura, > want to help organize a Ride 'n' Shoot? > > > -- > "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of > death and the > skillful defiance of it." > > -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) > > Sean Jordan > Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing > '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) > '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) > WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 > http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html > ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 18:04:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BM4WH27478 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01015 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05385 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p7.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.7]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07804; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Tom Gimer'" , "'Paresh Karandikar'" , "'dc DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:08:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c10a56$03df0fe0$0784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010711211219.16853.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Gimer pontificates... not a racer, but chiming in nonetheless.... cheapest solution: sell current bags and replace with suitable ones (those that provide more clearance and have protective patches built in). wrong. Cheapest solution is to travel lighter ;-) Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 18:12:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BMCCH27635 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max2h-209.his.com [216.32.85.209]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11943; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010711181233.01183344@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:12:36 -0700 To: "Rob Keiser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 04:31 PM 7/11/01 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: >start gun/flame thread here) and was wondering if there are any relatively >local firing ranges? I used to go to On Target in Severn, MD, but that's >just too damn far. Any suggestions? Check out: http://atlanticguns.com/whrshoot.asp Enjoy. Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 18:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f287.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.14.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BMJdH27717 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:19:31 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:19:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:19:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2001 22:19:31.0802 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ED7BBA0:01C10A57] Great link. Lots of info. Thanks. Rob ----Original Message Follows---- From: Stephen Harris To: "Rob Keiser" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:12:36 -0700 At 04:31 PM 7/11/01 -0400, Rob Keiser wrote: >start gun/flame thread here) and was wondering if there are any relatively >local firing ranges? I used to go to On Target in Severn, MD, but that's >just too damn far. Any suggestions? Check out: http://atlanticguns.com/whrshoot.asp Enjoy. Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 18:20:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BMKiH27796 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (dialup-64.157.61.149.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.61.149]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00818 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a801c10a58$1c287da0$953d9d40@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:23:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > Hey, Laura, > want to help organize a Ride 'n' Shoot? Hot Damn!! The First Annual DC-Cycles NOVA Biathlon!!! Remember folks, you saw it here first!! Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 18:51:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6BMpGH28237 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01210 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA06447 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010711225112.93299.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.235] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:51:12 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe To: Dave Yates , "'Paresh Karandikar'" , "'dc DC-Cycles'" In-Reply-To: <000501c10a56$03df0fe0$0784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dave Yates wrote: > Gimer pontificates... > > not a racer, but chiming in nonetheless.... > > cheapest solution: > sell current bags and replace with suitable ones (those > that provide more clearance and have protective patches > built in). > > wrong. Cheapest solution is to travel lighter ;-) i beg to differ! traveling lighter means purchasing more goods along the way. if you travel enough, you'll spend much more on necessities that you should have packed than on even the finest saddlebags.... :) note that even tg's solution is technically "cheaper" ... but i factored in one fire-damaged set of bags in making the estimates -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 20:36:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com [207.46.181.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C0a1H29954 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.36.105.214]) by cpimssmtpu10.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:35:52 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:42:26 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 00:35:53.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B719D50:01C10A6A] If you buy a bike from Romney cycles, do you have to keep going there to have it service or can you use other shops that are closer to you? Ricardo Pontes www.geocities.com/ricardopontes Yep, and if you're willing to travel a bit, like WV you can probably get it cheaper than that. Just came back from Romney Cycles (in Romney WV) Saturday to pick up a new SV650 for my bro, and the owner (Kevin, I believe) said the 929's just aren't selling, and he mentioned a price around $7800'ish. The Erion decal special is a bit more. The Romney dealership is Kaw,Yam and Suz, but he also owns the Honda dealer in Petersburg. Great guy to deal with. No BS, and the SV was all prepped and ready to go when we got there. Only 100 miles from Reston, too. Very fun little bike, BTW! Just an FYI. Rob '98 VFR800 Can this be true? $8 grand for a 2001 929? Hmm.... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Some list stickers still available - HUG all sold out _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 20:43:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C0hgH00167 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p7.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.7]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02599; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Ricardo Pontes'" , "'Dccycles'" Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c10a6c$422ee5c0$0784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Rico asks... If you buy a bike from Romney cycles, do you have to keep going there to have it service or can you use other shops that are closer to you? More importantly, while you're riding out there, & nobody's around to hear it, does your bike make a sound ?? ;-) If you're referring to warranty work, you can have work done anywhere unless the manufacturer provides it free - as with (aftermarket) parts as replacements. If you go elsewhere, keep all paperwork. If you have a problem, that's the 1st thing that will get checked. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 20:46:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11504.mail.yahoo.com (web11504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6C0kJH00251 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010712004617.9726.qmail@web11504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.5] by web11504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:46:17 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:46:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: RE: 929 for $7999? To: Ricardo Pontes , Dccycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just like any major manufacture of bikes/auto's you can go to any dealer in the US to get warranty work done. Glenn --- Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > If you buy a bike from Romney cycles, do you have to > keep going there to > have it service or can you use other shops that are > closer to you? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 21:10:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C1AVH00557 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA01601 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA08790 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 01:10:26 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "'Paresh Karandikar'" , "'dc DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: Heat wrap for exhaust pipe Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:07:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c10a88$22c5c160$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010711143028.92678.qmail@web10008.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not the one to know about what racers put on their bikes, but my dual-sport bags from Chase Harper came have a "heat-shield" - basically an aluminum type fabric that bounces back a large portion of the heat (a high percentage of what is transfered by infra-red anyway). These bags are designed for dual-sport bikes which usually have a very high exhaust. You could probably get them to send you some of this material to sew on your bags by yourself. Their customer service is really good and very friendly. You can call them at (877) 965-7977. Probably best to speak to Ron Harper. He's the one who gets in touch with me when I have freak orders. Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 21:14:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6C1EGH00634 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 01:14:11 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: , "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:10:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c10a88$a8ff05c0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256A86.00583EBB.00@ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil> I like Myers Cycle in Kensington (off of Connecticut Ave., just outside the Beltway). They work on many old bikes (and newer ones) and I have had nothing but good experience with them. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: jrsteve@XXXXXX [mailto:jrsteve@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 9:02 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: I think I saw someone mention this a few weeks ago, but have deleted my mail, so sorry for the possible repeat: Does anyone have any info - good, bad or indifferent - about GRD Cycles in White Plains, MD? (For maintenance, that is... I believe they do sales of used bikes as well.) BTW, Atlantic Cycle and Power laughed at me when I asked them to work on my bike... too old, I guess! :-P I get this in digest, so off-line responses will get to me sooner... Thanks, ~~~~~~~~~~~ John Stevens '77 Suzuki GS750 Waldorf, MD _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 23:02:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C32gH02266 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.107]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f6C32bn88854; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c10a7f$1a151c40$6ba82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: Subject: Re: New Harley Sportster Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:02:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, All but that it's not a Sportster, it's a Big Twin. Unless you mean "sportster" as in the European translation, e.g. sportbike. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 23:13:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C3DjH02442 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.107]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f6C3Dfn88968; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01c10a80$a63ea6e0$6ba82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: "Rob Keiser" Cc: , Subject: Re: Local Firing ranges? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:13:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Check with your local chapter of The Isaac Walton League. They always have a place to shoot; Handguns, rifles and shotguns. I am a member of the Damascus Chapter located on Mullinix Mill Road, pretty much straddling the Montgomery - Howard County line, but I know of another just off of (or on?) 124 north of Gaithersburg. Those are the only ones I know of, and are "local" to me. I guess it depends on where you live as to your definition of local . Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 23:16:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C3G1H02535 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.107]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f6C3Fsn88997; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501c10a80$f6c0b2c0$6ba82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Cc: , Subject: Ride and shoot Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:15:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Oh yeah, I forgot. I'd definitely be up for a ride and shoot myself. Guns locked in one saddle bag, ammo in the other. "I'm legal, Officer!" Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 11 23:20:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C3K8H02634 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA02030 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA10848 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0803.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.133.41]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6C3K3P30188 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:20:03 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "'dc DC-Cycles'" Subject: Thanks- Informal Bike Night Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:22:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000501c10a56$03df0fe0$0784c0cf@nih.gov> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Great to have met you guys. Keep me posted when you guys are going to practice and I might be able to come out and shoot some promo pics for the website. Rob '92 Seca II ("Wow, that's a 92!?") From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 00:21:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6C4LLH03592 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0803.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.133.41]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6C4LIP119666 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:21:19 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Petetion to save Two Wheel Tuseday! Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:24:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Dear Friends, I have just read and signed the online petition: "Speedvision & NASCAR programming" hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/svsn/ I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider signing yourself. Best wishes, Robert Curtis Rob Curtis Staff Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ Never be afraid to try something new; remember, amateurs built the Ark, and professionals built the Titanic. __________________ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 08:28:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CCSaH11780 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200107120827.AA23069284@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Safety Conf. Proceedings on CD X-Mailer: The 2001 International Motorcycle Safety Conference (Kissimmee, Florida, March 1-4) Proceedings are available on CD from the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. $25 http://64.3.99.197/Street_Riding.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 09:41:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f259.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.134]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CDfXH12959 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:41:25 -0700 Received: from 24.23.162.251 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:41:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.23.162.251] From: "Blake S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:41:25 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 13:41:25.0612 (UTC) FILETIME=[587152C0:01C10AD8] if your in northern virginia theres a nice range in woodbridge on rt 1. called shooters paradise (indoor range). not as brightly lit as the NRA range, but they do have a .22 target league. saturday mornings i believe. also, they rent out guns if you want to try out something different. definately worth a try if your thinking about joining a .22 league. Blake 98' v-star 650 custom 82' yamaha vision (primer) 82' yamaha vision (black) 79' kawasaki kl250 78' yamaha xs' 650 78' yamaha gt80 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 09:55:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10904.mail.yahoo.com (web10904.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6CDtBH13198 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010712135508.85527.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.80.171.28] by web10904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:55:08 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 06:55:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Germuga Subject: Shadow Riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, I am new to the area and have been perusing the list for about 2 weeks. Seems as though there a plenty of Honda riders but not many Shadow riders. Hopefully some of you other skulkers may be. I have 3 questions. 1. I have a 93 VLX, purchased last year as my first bike. I really like the bike and would like to upgrade to an 1100 Shadow Spirit, but the finances aren't in the cards at the moment. However, I was thinking of some lower profile bars, and possibly a custom seat. Anyone know if these will fit a 93-98 1100C? 2. How bad is Cycles USA? I have seen some not so positive comments about them, but I am just looking to get a tune up, and they are the closest to me. Are they OK for routine maintenence? 3. I caught a blurb about a track day. Obviously I am not going to take my cruiser out on the track, but would like to give it a try. Are the bikes provided for these events? If so, what kind of "insurance" would cover a loss, as I would certainly fall (no pun intended) into the novice category. Any help would be much appreciated. John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 10:18:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CEI8H13602 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03870 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web10006.mail.yahoo.com (web10006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA23078 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010712141753.68084.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.104.54.1] by web10006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:17:53 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 07:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paresh Karandikar Subject: Heat wrap and other things To: dc DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for all of the great input on this. I got some great ideas and they really put me at ease with buying the 929. (The high pipe burning my bags was the ONLY drawback for me on that bike). I will probably be using Roach's or Niv's suggestions about using CF sheets are other heat shield on the bag. Looks like I should be getting a 929 (red/black color scheme) some time next week from Romney, WV (Tri-State Honda). Thanks to the individual who started that thread about how they were reduced to ~$8k out there. By the way, I called around local shops to see if they could match the price and some salesman at Cycles USA told me some hogwash about how if I buy the bike in Romney, and there is a recall, I would have to take it back to them - I couldn't take it to a local Honda dealer. That really pissed me off because there is no way that could be true! Anyway, just thought I should let people know. --Paresh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 10:37:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CEbNH13960 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GGD00DOZ7A3WW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:37:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GGD00B0179MAF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:37:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GGD00A2O79JQB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:36:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:36:41 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Ride to Lunch...Grevey's To: DC Cycles List Message-id: <3B4DB5F9.BB10D04@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en DCCers, I just got back from a bike trip to Oregon a couple of days ago, and am filtering through a bunch of digests. Apologies for the late replies. Once upon a time, James Reazor asked: > > > > While we're on the subject, who plans on showing up at Grevey's? I have > > yet to attend a DCC event this year and am wondering who I can expect to see > > there. And Chuck responded: >James, > >I think Grevey's was originally suggested by The Horkster so his >attendance is absolutely mandatory! Yep, I'll be at Grevey's. Although the gathering in Sterling/Herndon might be incrementally closer, Grevey's is a spot that my wife and I can both make for lunch (yes, Tracy will be there, too). Looking forward to it! Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 10:38:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CEc3H13970 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6CEbsq20510 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:37:54 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010712103550.028feb30@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:37:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Cop kills Bambi, flips cage Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6CEc5H13971 Three things come to mind when I read this article. 1) How fast was he going? 2) Good thing it wasn't a moto cop 3) Hunting season needs to start earlier Police Cruiser Flips Over on I-270 Thursday, July 12, 2001; 6:45 AM Crews have cleared the scene of an accident Interstate 270 near Gaithersburg involving a Montgomery County police officer who apparently hit a deer, collided with a jersey wall and flipped his police cruiser early this morning. Montgomery County police spokesman Bill O'Toole said the officer was traveling in the northbound lanes at around 4:20 a.m. when the crash occurred just north of exit for Montgomery Village Avenue. O'Toole said a truck driver in the southbound lanes and another motorist witnessed the accident and stopped to aid the officer, who was trapped inside his cruiser. The two motorists diverted traffic until a rescue team arrived and freed the officer from the car, he said. The officer is reported to be in stable condition and was conscious at the scene before he was taken to a shock trauma center in Baltimore, O'Toole said. The officer's name has not been released and he has not been charged. Three northbound lanes of I-270 were closed throughout the morning and only the far right lane was open to traffic, which slowed to a crawl until all lanes were reopened by 7:30 a.m. M-) 2001 Washington Post Newsweek Interactive ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 11:09:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f134.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.134]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CF9PH14485 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:09:18 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:09:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: mike@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cop kills Bambi, flips cage Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:09:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2001 15:09:18.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F1AF5D0:01C10AE4] 1) Must have been going pretty good. He took a nasty chunk out of the Jersey barrier. I past by it this morning around 6 AM. The car was upside down and cut open. The Medivac already had left. I heard that he was on the way to an accident and swerved to avoid the deer then lost control. Either way, not a good start of the day. Unless he was on the way home. 2) Amen to that! 3) Maybe we need a ride to hunt event? Rob '98 VFR800 PS. Rubber neckers suck! (I was heading South :( ----Original Message Follows---- From: Troutman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Cop kills Bambi, flips cage Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:37:48 -0400 Three things come to mind when I read this article. 1) How fast was he going? 2) Good thing it wasn't a moto cop 3) Hunting season needs to start earlier Police Cruiser Flips Over on I-270 Thursday, July 12, 2001; 6:45 AM Crews have cleared the scene of an accident Interstate 270 near Gaithersburg involving a Montgomery County police officer who apparently hit a deer, collided with a jersey wall and flipped his police cruiser early this morning. Montgomery County police spokesman Bill O'Toole said the officer was traveling in the northbound lanes at around 4:20 a.m. when the crash occurred just north of exit for Montgomery Village Avenue. O'Toole said a truck driver in the southbound lanes and another motorist witnessed the accident and stopped to aid the officer, who was trapped inside his cruiser. The two motorists diverted traffic until a rescue team arrived and freed the officer from the car, he said. The officer is reported to be in stable condition and was conscious at the scene before he was taken to a shock trauma center in Baltimore, O'Toole said. The officer's name has not been released and he has not been charged. Three northbound lanes of I-270 were closed throughout the morning and only the far right lane was open to traffic, which slowed to a crawl until all lanes were reopened by 7:30 a.m. M-) 2001 Washington Post Newsweek Interactive ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 11:10:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CFAgH14508 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04191 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.washcp.com (mail.washcp.com [206.239.195.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24656 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wproc01 (wproc01.washcp.com [206.239.195.79]) by mail.washcp.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA32079 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:16:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010712105815.00a62100@mail.washcp.com> X-Sender: yroberts@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:59:15 -0400 To: dc DC-Cycles From: Yi Wah Subject: reccomend a ducati dealership for service? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed i'm in alexandria. thoughts? yi wah From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 11:25:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from FW2.dt.navy.mil (FW2.dt.navy.mil [192.5.27.136]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CFPAH14791 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by FW2.dt.navy.mil; id LAA21057; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown(130.46.225.16) by FW2.dt.navy.mil via smap (V5.5) id xma020503; Thu, 12 Jul 01 11:26:38 -0400 Received: from NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (navgate.dt.navy.mil [130.46.225.15]) by smtprelay.dt.navy.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21822 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:24:11 -0400 Received: (from silbergejw2k [130.46.162.39]) by NAVGATE.dt.navy.mil (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001071211241029985 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: <05f801c10ae7$42146300$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Reply-To: "Eric Silberg" From: "Eric Silberg" To: References: <20010712135508.85527.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Shadow Riders Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:28:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 > I have 3 questions. Can't help you with (1) and (3), but I'll give you my .02 for (2)... > 2. How bad is Cycles USA? I have seen some not so > positive comments about them, but I am just looking to > get a tune up, and they are the closest to me. Are > they OK for routine maintenence? I haven't had a problem with these guys. I've bought 2 used bikes from them (actually got VERY good prices) and a bunch of equipment, and have used them to do service as well. The shop managers and mechanics are all competant and helpful, and are more than willing to literally give you there time. On more than one occasion, I brought my bike in to get something looked at, a mechanic tool it in, spent time on it, even fixed a thing or two, and DID NOT CHARGE ME. In one instance, no fewer than 3 guys were helping me out for about a half an hour. Short story long, I wouldn't hesistate to recommend them. However, they did annoy me recently because they wouldn't look at my tranny, said they don't work on them over the summer. This was over the phone though, I think I may just go in, I'm sure someone will take at look at it and at least let me know if there's something really wrong. As always, YMMV Eric '94 VFR From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 11:43:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6CFhVH15186 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010712154328.40982.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.133.22.69] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:43:28 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: London to start charging tolls to enter city To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, great idea!!! Charge cages a toll to enter cities and let motorcycles in free!!! http://www.drive.com.au/news/default.asp?section=news&page=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content/20010712/news/news4.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 12:00:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CG0BH15547 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04474 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA28688 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id MAA21539; Thu, 12 Jul 1973 12:09:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 1973 12:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Paresh Karandikar cc: dc DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Heat wrap and other things In-Reply-To: <20010712141753.68084.qmail@web10006.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes, this is hogwash, as was the notion that other Honda dealers won't do warranty repairs. However, it is true that (all else being equal) you will get better service at the dealership where you bought the bike. --garcia On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Paresh Karandikar wrote: [snip]> > By the way, I called around local shops to see if they > could match the price and some salesman at Cycles USA > told me some hogwash about how if I buy the bike in > Romney, and there is a recall, I would have to take it > back to them - I couldn't take it to a local Honda > dealer. That really pissed me off because there is no > way that could be true! Anyway, just thought I should > let people know. > > --Paresh From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 12:06:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CG66H15644 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.15]) id QQkxjk18950 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:06:05 GMT Received: from sysengws022 by imr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool168-158.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.158]) id QQkxjk08053 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:05:31 GMT Reply-To: From: "Shawn Brand" To: Subject: Cycle Insurance Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:06:52 -0400 Message-ID: <025401c10aec$aac436f0$9ea82799@sysengws022> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal A few of you were kind enough to provide recommendations for motorcycle insurance. One of the referrals could only cover Maryland residents (the agent's office is in Maryland) so he referred me to a colleague in Northern Virginia. I called Eric Simpson from State Farm's Merrifield office (not far from Grevey's) and got an incredible deal. Eric rides a GSXR-750 so that may have affected the pricing. Eric can be reached at 703-207-7007 if you need insurance or are considering a switch. I'll probably switch my cage insurance to him as well. Shawn Brand Honda VTR-1000 Super Hawk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 14:03:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CI25H17593 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20075 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712134515.00b00fc0@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:02:04 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Cycle Insurance In-Reply-To: <025401c10aec$aac436f0$9ea82799@sysengws022> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:06 PM 7/12/2001 -0400, Shawn Brand wrote: >A few of you were kind enough to provide recommendations for motorcycle >insurance. One of the referrals could only cover Maryland residents (the >agent's office is in Maryland) so he referred me to a colleague in Northern >Virginia. I called Eric Simpson from State Farm's Merrifield office (not far >from Grevey's) and got an incredible deal. Eric rides a GSXR-750 so that may >have affected the pricing. Could you characterize the quote compared to, say, GEICO CycleGuard, or some other quotes that you got? State Farm is infamously bad on homeowner's insurance. I might get a deal on two more inexpensive cycles that are both road-ready, and I'm looking for a good deal from an insurer who understands that I won't be on more than one out of three at any one time. :-) I currently have GEICO for auto and cycle, and I haven't really shopped around yet. It's bad enough that Arlington County personal property tax stickers are $24 each now, and that's just for the STICKER, not for the tax! Thanks. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 14:17:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CIHcH17889 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22962 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712140923.00b098c0@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:17:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: London to start charging tolls to enter city In-Reply-To: <20010712154328.40982.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:43 AM 7/12/2001 -0700, Tom Knapik wrote: >Hey, great idea!!! Charge cages a toll to enter >cities and let motorcycles in free!!! >http://www.drive.com.au/news/default.asp?section=news&page=http://drive.fairfax.com.au/content/20010712/news/news4.html I did the "Harleys through Europe" thing, and was very pleasantly surprised at how cycles are received. Italy especially is a two-wheeled paradise! All the best parking in town is cycle/scooter parking, and it's free. Cage parking is fringe, and usually expensive. Cage drivers automatically stop 10 feet short of a stop light. All the cycles come up from the left. All the scooters come up from the right. Light changes: cycles go, scooters go, then cars go. When traffic is backed up, semis and cars come right to allow room for cycles to pass. It's amazing! In the U.S., they'd be throwing their doors open in from of you! In Europe, they smile and wave. Picture yourself retiring on the lower Riviera. I know I do! :-D /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 14:38:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CIcLH18220 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkxju23285; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:38:12 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkxju02546; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:37:16 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:37:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, race@XXXXXX, FZR400@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Crash movie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://www.submitterassistant.com/jg/T2-owSM.MPG (Note, I do not enjoy watching people crash. This is for educational/informational purposes only!) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 14:58:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CIwIH18542 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkxjv10622 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:58:17 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkxjv19725 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:57:46 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:57:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: RE: Crash movie Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Too the best of my knowledge, everyone came out ok. (Ok = alive and not hurt super-bad) This was recently, the exact details elude me at this time. I remember reading about it a few days ago, though. I'll post more info when I find it. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 15:25:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CJP0H18965 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkxjx07688 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:24:58 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkxjx12493 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:24:56 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:24:52 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Bad crash video Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://www.broadsquad.org/rob/turn2.html -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 15:46:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6CJkPH19393 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 19:46:22 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: Subject: RE: Shadow Riders Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:43:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c10b24$06bc0c80$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <05f801c10ae7$42146300$27a22e82@silbergejw2k> Funny, I used to get good service at Cycles USA, but they kept changing service managers on me. Eventually they made a couple of serious mistakes in dealing with me and my bike (then a Suzuki DR650) on really simple jobs and I just decided not to come back. I get excellent service elsewhere, and I don't have to find out if I can trust a new crew every few months either. Niv BMW F650ST -----Original Message----- From: Eric Silberg [mailto:ersilberg@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:28 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Shadow Riders > I have 3 questions. Can't help you with (1) and (3), but I'll give you my .02 for (2)... > 2. How bad is Cycles USA? I have seen some not so > positive comments about them, but I am just looking to > get a tune up, and they are the closest to me. Are > they OK for routine maintenence? I haven't had a problem with these guys. I've bought 2 used bikes from them (actually got VERY good prices) and a bunch of equipment, and have used them to do service as well. The shop managers and mechanics are all competant and helpful, and are more than willing to literally give you there time. On more than one occasion, I brought my bike in to get something looked at, a mechanic tool it in, spent time on it, even fixed a thing or two, and DID NOT CHARGE ME. In one instance, no fewer than 3 guys were helping me out for about a half an hour. Short story long, I wouldn't hesistate to recommend them. However, they did annoy me recently because they wouldn't look at my tranny, said they don't work on them over the summer. This was over the phone though, I think I may just go in, I'm sure someone will take at look at it and at least let me know if there's something really wrong. As always, YMMV Eric '94 VFR _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 15:58:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CJwHH19560 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-166.90.29.97.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.29.97]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05543 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B4E01E2.DB3BAB5B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:00:34 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Preload adjustable fork caps for FZR600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was wondering if anyone knew what (if any) preload adjustable fork caps could be fitted to an FZR600 fork (38mm)? I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to obtain externally adjustable preload or whether I'm stuck with fooling around with spacers to set preload. I gotta figure with all the FZR400s and 600s that have been raced over the years that someone has figured out a (relatively cheap) way to do this. Thanx! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 16:10:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CKAcH19747 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id 2.47.dcaaf51 (4184) for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <47.dcaaf51.287f5e36@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:10:30 EDT Subject: Re: [dccycles2] Local Firing Ranges? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/11/2001 6:24:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mjordan812@XXXXXX writes: > want to help organize a Ride 'n' Shoot? I went to a rally in Las Vegas once. One of the point stops was a paintball range where you shot at targets for points. An _optional_ (extra charge) stop was at a shooting range where you target shot with fully automatic weapon for extra points. If I remember right the run was sponsored by the Iron Crossmen, and was one of the best organized, most fun rallies I have ever been on. As for the wave thread, I was on a GL1500, and like I said it was great. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 16:36:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6CKaTH20254 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id 2.ad.d3dce59 (4184) for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:36:23 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:36:23 EDT Subject: Re: Shadow Riders To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/12/2001 9:57:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smoothpook@XXXXXX writes: > I am just looking to > get a tune up, Learn to do it yourself. The VLX is easy. (I do know a trick that makes adjusting the valves on the front cyl. easy{er}.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 17:49:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c012.sfo.cp.net (c012-h009.c012.sfo.cp.net [209.228.13.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6CLnZH21410 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3415 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2001 14:49:27 -0700 Date: 12 Jul 2001 14:49:27 -0700 Message-ID: <20010712214927.3414.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 12 Jul 2001 21:49:27 GMT Received: from [63.82.112.98] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 12 Jul 2001 14:49:27 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Pat Bousliman X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: wookiee@XXXXXX Subject: please unsubscribe thanks Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 21:27:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6D1RtH24868 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 01:27:52 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: FW: Fw: A Really Smart Man Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:24:38 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c10b53$bb70af80$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 The statistic reasoning is all wrong, but I had to forward this anyway. - > > > > I was riding to work yesterday when I observed a female driver cut right > > in front of a pickup truck causing him to have to drive on to the shoulder > > to > > avoid hitting her. This evidently angered the driver enough that he hung > > his arm out his window and flipped the woman off. "Man, that guy is > > stupid" I thought to myself. I ALWAYS smile nicely and wave in a sheepish > > manner whenever a female does anything to me in traffic and here's why: > > I drive 48 miles each way every day to work, that's 96 miles each day. > > Of these, 16 miles each way is bumper-to-bumper. Most of the > > bumper-to-bumper is on an 8 lane highway so if you just look at the 7 > > lanes I am not in, that means I pass something like a new car every 40 > > feet per lane. That's 7 cars every 40 feet for 32 miles. That works out to > > be 982 cars every mile, or 31,424 cars. Even though the rest of the 32 > > miles is not bumper to bumper, I figure I pass at least another 4000 cars. > > That brings the number to something like 36,000 cars I pass every day. > > Statistically, half of these are driven by females, that's 18,000. In any > > given group of females 1 in 28 are having the worst day of their period. > > That's 642. According to Cosmopolitan, 70% describe their love life as > > dissatisfying or unrewarding. That's 449. According to the National > > Institute of Health, 22% of all females have seriously considered suicide > > or homicide. That's 98. And 34% describe men as the! ir biggest problem. > > That's 33. According to the National Rifle Association 5% of all females > > carry weapons and this number is increasing. That means that EVERY SINGLE > > DAY, I drive past at least one female that has a lousy love life, thinks > > men are her biggest problem, has seriously considered suicide or homicide, > > is having the worst day of her period, and is armed. > > Flip one off? > > .....I think not > > > > > > _____ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 21:34:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6D1YHH24951 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p54.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.54]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25758 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:34:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'dc-cycles \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: Fw: A Really Smart Man Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c10b3c$80648860$3681c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <001e01c10b53$bb70af80$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> That means that EVERY SINGLE DAY, I drive past at least one female that has a lousy love life, thinks men are her biggest problem, has seriously considered suicide or homicide, is having the worst day of her period, and is armed. > > Flip one off? > > .....I think not Never been married, eh ? ;-) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 12 22:29:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14610.mail.yahoo.com (web14610.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.242]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6D2TeH25792 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010713022937.51651.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.235] by web14610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:29:37 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:29:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: reccomend a ducati dealership for service? To: Yi Wah Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20010712105815.00a62100@mail.washcp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii stay away from battley cycles! (horror stories) stay away from powerride motorsports! (no explanation necessary) drive to richmond to motoeuropa (have heard great things) or to winchester (haven't heard anything bad) --- Yi Wah wrote: > i'm in alexandria. thoughts? > > > yi wah ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 08:33:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9602.mail.yahoo.com (web9602.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.181]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6DCXYH05811 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010713123318.22995.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:33:18 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:33:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: FW: Fw: A Really Smart Man To: rydin , "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <001e01c10b53$bb70af80$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ROTFL. Ah, if everyone felt that way, I'd have a much easier ride in to work, huh? ;-) But I must add that the worst incident of road rage (and, in retrospect, the most hilarious) I ever had inflicted on me was by a cute little blonde woman. ??? Coincidence? ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- rydin wrote: According to the National Rifle > Association 5% of all > females > > > carry weapons and this number is increasing. > That means that EVERY > SINGLE > > > DAY, I drive past at least one female that has > a lousy love life, > thinks > > > men are her biggest problem, has seriously > considered suicide or > homicide, > > > is having the worst day of her period, and is > armed. > > > Flip one off? > > > .....I think not > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 08:39:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from athena.nswc.navy.mil (athena.nswc.navy.mil [198.91.70.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DCcxH05891 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (relay.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.1.41]) by athena.nswc.navy.mil (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6DCcwb24331 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.nswc.navy.mil (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12424 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil (ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil [128.38.14.153]) by relay.nswc.navy.mil (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12410; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 85256A88.0045E369 ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:43:22 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NSWCDD_NDEPT From: jrsteve@XXXXXX To: HOFOJOKO@XXXXXX, robkeiser@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256A88.0045E0CC.00@ndeptnotes5.nswc.navy.mil> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:41:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline FYI, there is an Izaak Walton League in Hughesville, MD (About 15 miles down Rt 5 from Waldorf). Not sure how many folks from the list are near the Southern MD area - might be a little far for most people. But let me know if anyone wants more specific directions.... ~~~~~~~~~~~ John Stevens '77 Suzuki GS750 Waldorf, MD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: "Rob Keiser" Cc: , Subject: Re: Local Firing ranges? Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:13:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Check with your local chapter of The Isaac Walton League. They always have a place to shoot; Handguns, rifles and shotguns. I am a member of the Damascus Chapter located on Mullinix Mill Road, pretty much straddling the Montgomery - Howard County line, but I know of another just off of (or on?) 124 north of Gaithersburg. Those are the only ones I know of, and are "local" to me. I guess it depends on where you live as to your definition of local . Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 11:17:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6DFH1H08529 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010713151657.37937.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.114.194] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:16:57 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: unsubscribe To: occ-unsubscribe@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii unsubscribe ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 11:33:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DFX9H08807 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6DFWcq26352 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010713113142.033a2ec0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Perfect weather Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I just have to say - the weather has been PERFECT this week. I'm going to go take a riding lunch through Reston and see what trouble I can get into. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org Everything under the sun is in tune, and the sun is eclipsed by the moon. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 11:40:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DFeiH08909 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:39:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200107131139.AA55640680@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Calendar(s) of Events X-Mailer: What are everyone's favorite Calendar(s) of Events? I'd like to take a ride tomorrow, and can be fun to have a nominal goal: take the scenic ride there, check it out, then take the scenic ride home. thx Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 13:49:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10504.mail.yahoo.com (web10504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6DHntH10973 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010713174954.31625.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.116.124] by web10504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:49:54 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Withrow Subject: Ride and Shoot To: DC Bike List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all, if a Ride and Shoot event gets planned, somebody drop me a line please. I am unsubscribing for the next week, as I will be out of the country. Thanks, Todd W. ===== AIM: Inf DS http://www.geocities.com/mtwithrow ----------------------------------------------------------- Used to be that we "worldproofed" our children. Now society wants to childproof the world. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 16:36:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DKaKH13559 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-114-211.s211.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.114.211] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15L9fe-0007gl-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: <002801c10bdc$1abeb120$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: CO2 cartridges Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:30:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Based on thoughts that I've been operating on borrowed time with respect to tire punctures (the only time I've had a flat it was three blocks from my house) I got one of those Progressive Suspension kits for emergency tire plugging and it only comes with two CO2 cartridges. This seems inadequate, even to get the bike safely to the nearest service station. A question for listers who've had need to use these critters: how many does it take to get a tire up to highway pressure? A mini hand pump would take forever to pump up a tire, it seems to me. Even my floor model bike pump took fifteen minutes from dead flat on a rear tire. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 17:21:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp01.wcom.com (dgesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.16.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DLLrH14253 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42260) with ESMTP id <0GGF00HL2KNR2V@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:21:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GGF00801KNN9K@XXXXXX>; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:21:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GGF003NPKNJF5@XXXXXX>; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:21:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:21:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: CO2 cartridges To: Paul Wilson Cc: dc-cycles list Message-id: <3B4F6640.DBB68D4A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <002801c10bdc$1abeb120$bb82fea9@palladio> Paul Wilson wrote: > A question for > listers who've had need to use these critters: how many does it take to get > a tire up to highway pressure? A mini hand pump would take forever to pump > up a tire, it seems to me. The 1993 Iron Butt Rally was won by a Brit, Steve Attwood, riding on a Moto Guzzi. He had a flat tire on the last leg of the Rally. He knew he was in the hunt for the win at that point, so had to get busy. Pulled the wheel, broke the bead, fished out the tube, patched it up, and put everything back together. He was carrying those CO2 cartridges, but for some reason he pumped up the tire by hand with an air pump he was carrying along. When asked later why he didn't use the cartridges, he quipped that he was "saving them for an emergency". :) Horkster PS: I used up 3 or 4 of those cartridges to get 20 pounds of air in a Connie rear tire once. Trust me, you need a pump or an electric compressor of some kind. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 17:35:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DLYmH14403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12195 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.133]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10867 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [209.67.207.13]) by paparazzo.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA57863 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harris (max1h-70.his.com [216.32.85.70]) by mail.his.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09658 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010713173446.0117f9b4@his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:35:07 -0700 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Team Charm @ Summit 7/7-8/2001 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Read all about our latest efforts at: http://www.his.com/~harris/news.htm Visit our next event as detailed at: http://www.his.com/~harris/sched.htm Be small, go fast. 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Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 17:37:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DLbkH14485 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-115-10.s264.tnt9.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.115.10] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15LAcz-0004fs-00 ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:37:38 -0400 Message-ID: <008b01c10be4$a99444c0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" References: <002801c10bdc$1abeb120$bb82fea9@palladio> <3B4F6640.DBB68D4A@home.com> Subject: Re: CO2 cartridges Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:42:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 OK, somewhere I saw an itty bitty electric pump that runs on 12 VDC. Any ideas? Needs to be small. Not a lot of room on a VFR, unless you're into the GIVI Sumo wrestler look. :) Of course, with my luck I'd have a cooked battery from regulator failure _and_ a flat tire all at the same time. Maybe just pack my mini bike pump and hope for the best. Get as far as I can with the CO2 and finish it off with the hand pump if need be. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman > Paul Wilson wrote: > > PS: I used up 3 or 4 of those cartridges to get 20 pounds of air in > a Connie rear tire once. Trust me, you need a pump or an electric > compressor of some kind. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 13 18:21:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6DMIMH15085 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaio ([24.6.106.133]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010713221809.GEPU11925.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@vaio> for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:18:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c10be9$cd0002a0$6501a8c0@Home> From: "James Reazor" To: "dc-cycles list" References: <002801c10bdc$1abeb120$bb82fea9@palladio> <3B4F6640.DBB68D4A@home.com> <008b01c10be4$a99444c0$bb82fea9@palladio> Subject: New Buell Firebolt Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:18:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Another new bike. Looks kind of funny but there are a lot of neat ideas here. http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/detail?sectionID=212131&documentID=74239 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 14 11:33:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6EFXDH03724 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-55-65.s319.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.55.65] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15LRPm-0003r9-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:33:07 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c10c79$f3350980$41372c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: CO2 Cartridges Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:30:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 On the surface, the CO2 cartridges sound like a good idea. Neat little cylinders packing just what you need, compressed air. The problem is that you never know just how much compressed air you will need. If you are lucky enough, you brought 5 cartridges along, your plug held perfectly and low and behold, it took just 5 cartridges to bring the tire up to 34psi. Happy, happy! Joy, joy! You pack the tools away, mount up and take off. Two miles later you pick up a nail and a fast leak. :-( And you have no more cartridges :-(( And a severe thunderstorm just started :-(( And the wind just knocked your bike into that four foot deep run-off ditch you parked next to :-((( See what you could have avoided if you had a real tire-pump, or a mini-compressor? ;-) I have luckily only ever picked up 1 screw in close to 200,000 miles of riding (as far as I know that is, and knocking on wood). And since I don't regularly check my tires for such things, I rode on that particular tire until I decided I needed a new one. I then discovered the screw =:-O But I have helped many of my friends with their mishaps. I use a mini compressor and on one such occassion, the plug took forever to seat and stay. We probably would have needed about 30 cartridges to arrive at the same result. Eventually (about 15 miles down the road) the plug just gave away so we filled the tire with fix-a-flat (I keep a spare bottle of this too). That worked for about 10 miles and then it started leaking again. With more fix-a-flat, we eventually got the bike to a local shop which gladly charged a hi premium for a new tire. Keep a tire-pump/air compressor on board. Fix-a-flat is messy but will save your butt too. And if you are worried about storage, get a decent sized tank bag and make these items a must. Or, ride with someone like me ;-) Todd (Springfield, VA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: CO2 cartridges Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:42:00 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 OK, somewhere I saw an itty bitty electric pump that runs on 12 VDC. Any ideas? Needs to be small. Not a lot of room on a VFR, unless you're into the GIVI Sumo wrestler look. :) Of course, with my luck I'd have a cooked battery from regulator failure _and_ a flat tire all at the same time. Maybe just pack my mini bike pump and hope for the best. Get as far as I can with the CO2 and finish it off with the hand pump if need be. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 14 17:09:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6EL9QH08785 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-61-53.s307.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.61.53] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15LWfE-0005ay-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:09:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c10ca8$edfceee0$353d2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Close to PowerRide Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:07:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I stepped into PowerRide today and picked up some summer-weight Kevlar gloves. $25, not bad. Noted that regardless of negative consumer opinion espoused here, PR is doing quite well. On my way home via the Prince William Parkway, I caught the red-shift visible of a Honda/Kawasaki sign, bikes and atvs out front. What is this place? Dealership? Accessories? Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 14 18:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f72.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6EM36H09581 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:51:53 -0700 Received: from 167.76.159.227 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:51:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [167.76.159.227] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Close to PowerRide Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:51:52 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 21:51:53.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[316C8450:01C10CAF] That's the "Motorcycle Facory" Honda/Kawasaki dealership. Great group of people. I'd drive 30 miles out of my way and pay 10% more rather than step foot in Powerride ever again, and I WAS a 10 year customer. (don't get me started) Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com > >I stepped into PowerRide today and picked up some summer-weight Kevlar >gloves. $25, not bad. Noted that regardless of negative consumer opinion >espoused here, PR is doing quite well. > >On my way home via the Prince William Parkway, I caught the red-shift >visible of a Honda/Kawasaki sign, bikes and atvs out front. What is this >place? Dealership? Accessories? > >Todd (Springfield, VA) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 14 18:03:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp5vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6EM36H09580 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27363049; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 22:02:54 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010714175059.00ab4880@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:51:43 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Close to PowerRide Cc: "Todd Peer" In-Reply-To: <000701c10ca8$edfceee0$353d2c42@c9rnf01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:07 PM 7/14/01, you wrote: >On my way home via the Prince William Parkway, I caught the red-shift >visible of a Honda/Kawasaki sign, bikes and atvs out front. What is this >place? Dealership? Accessories? Motorcycle Factory Haonda & Kawa dealership? -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 14 19:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6EN0KH10481 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p60.a1.du.radix.net [207.192.129.60]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA23818; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:00:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "DC Cycles List \(E-mail\)" , "Zx \(E-mail\)" Subject: Check six. Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:03:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c10cb9$4eb2ac60$3c81c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal I had a *very* close call today. Just past Kingstowne on the Fairfax Co. Pkwy, I was slowing for a red light. I was close to stopping, when I noticed a set of lights coming up on me HARD - 60 - 70 mph maybe. For a brief second, I thought he had me, but I swerved to the right most portion of the center lane that I was occupying, so this sub human POS, skids right past me... then to rest. I roll past & assume my rightful position in line, shut down, dismount & politely inform the gentleman his conduct was unacceptable. Further that his future travels would involve less speed. Remount, start bike, wait for light proceed on my way, none the worse for wear. On the way home, I'm thinking - 'self, I can't think of how many times I've heard of riders warning of this'... Anyway, ride safe.. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 14 19:21:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from k-kdom.nishanet.com ([63.168.126.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ENLXH10866 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brownleeb.nishanet.com (unverified [204.94.239.173]) by k-kdom.nishanet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.189) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:07:53 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010714145638.00a80088@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:04:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: CO2 cartidges In-Reply-To: <200107132300.f6DN0LT15735@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I carry one of those 'stop & go' (i think they're called) repair kits. the 'pump' runs off the motor. you remove a plug and screw in the adapter for the hose and run the motor to get air. supposedly it sucks in outside air so you dont get gas vapors in your tire. only problem is, a v-twin dont run too well on 1 jug, but it still works. i used it last week to add air to the suspension. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 14 23:43:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6F3hvH14747 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SandmanYW@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id m.91.d5612bd (4358); Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: SandmanYW@XXXXXX Message-ID: <91.d5612bd.28826b78@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:43:52 EDT Subject: Re: Close to PowerRide To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 39 Motorcycle Factory Inc. I've never dealt with them, but a friend of mine had a good experience with them when she bought her bike. Yutaka Wajima '95 Ducati 900 SS/CR '00 Yamaha V-Star From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 02:05:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6F657H17626 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnHOFOJOKO ([38.38.168.105]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f6F653n83370 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c10cf4$1807c340$69a82626@apnHOFOJOKO> From: "Howard J. Koontz" To: Subject: Mid-Ohio? Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:05:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey, Anyone going to Mid-O next week for the AMA National? I'd love some more company along for my ride next Thursday. Drop me a line off list if you want to tag along. Howard J. Koontz 2001 Harley Davidson FLHT Electra Glide Standard 1972 Honda Z50AK3 Mini Trail Resto Project From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 08:52:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6FCqrH23628 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from attglobal.net ([24.10.231.79]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010715125245.XSKA19933.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:52:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5192EE.A2E4E7BE@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:56:14 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [ja] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SandmanYW@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Close to PowerRide References: <91.d5612bd.28826b78@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where exactly is Motorcycle Factory Inc.? I'd appreciate if anyone could give me an address or a brief location. SandmanYW@XXXXXX wrote: > > Motorcycle Factory Inc. > > I've never dealt with them, but a friend of mine had a good experience with > them when she bought her bike. > > Yutaka Wajima > '95 Ducati 900 SS/CR > '00 Yamaha V-Star -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Kawasaki GPz1100 Honda Hawk GT From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 10:17:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp5vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.26]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6FEHPH24897 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA27977537; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:16:54 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010715100401.00a81820@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:04:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Close to PowerRide Cc: Shigeru Honda In-Reply-To: <3B5192EE.A2E4E7BE@attglobal.net> References: <91.d5612bd.28826b78@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:56 AM 7/15/01, you wrote: >Where exactly is Motorcycle Factory Inc.? >I'd appreciate if anyone could give me an address or a brief location. MOTORCYCLE FACTORY 3820 PRINCE WILLIAM PK WOODBRIDGE VA, 20112 703-583-9600 -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 11:13:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6FFDgH25722 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-62-152.s152.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.62.152] helo=c9rnf01) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15LnaW-0003ac-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:13:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01c10d40$65827100$983e2c42@c9rnf01> From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC Cycles" Subject: Denver CO Info Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:11:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I thought I'd start here with a question to former Denver residents or anyone who knows anything about Denver. Me and the DC-Cycles list asshole are hauling our bikes out to Colorabo via trailer/truck around mid August. We need a place to secure the trailer/truck somewhere in Denver while we go and explore the mountains and mesas. Anyone? Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 13:19:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6FHJqH27857 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2001 17:19:48 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: Looking for a Maryland lawyer to handle DUI Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:19:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c10d6b$7a55f540$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal A friend of mine is looking for a lawyer to handle a motorcycle DUI case in MD. If anyone here knows someone please email me. Thanks Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 15:23:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6FJNdH29883 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:22:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200107151522.AA35520968@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" , "rydin" Subject: Re: Looking for a Maryland lawyer to handle DUI X-Mailer: Jay Block (http://www.jayblockllc.com/) fits that bill. He rides and is a former instructor, I think. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "rydin" Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:19:39 -0700 >A friend of mine is looking for a lawyer to handle a motorcycle DUI case in >MD. > >If anyone here knows someone please email me. > > >Thanks > >Niv >BMW F650ST > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 19:25:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6FNPsH04194 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:13:46 -0700 Received: from 167.76.159.227 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:13:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [167.76.159.227] From: "Razz Man" To: toddbpeer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Denver CO Info Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:13:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 23:13:46.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[CCBB5330:01C10D83] Can't help you with that, but no trip to Denver would be complete without a stop at "Casa Bonita". It's a place that just must be experienced first hand. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com >I thought I'd start here with a question to former Denver residents or >anyone who knows anything about Denver. > >Me and the DC-Cycles list asshole are hauling our bikes out to Colorabo via >trailer/truck around mid August. We need a place to secure the >trailer/truck somewhere in Denver while we go and explore the mountains and >mesas. Anyone? > >Todd (Springfield, VA) > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 15 22:22:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6G2MKH07106 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from attglobal.net ([24.10.231.79]) by femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010716022213.NPRX7727.femail3.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:22:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5250A6.B7C9C5BE@attglobal.net> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:25:42 -0400 From: Shigeru Honda X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [ja] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Close to PowerRide References: <91.d5612bd.28826b78@aol.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010715100401.00a81820@mail.9netave.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks all for the info, I got mixed up the the PowerRide at Falls Church... Larry Larson wrote: > > At 08:56 AM 7/15/01, you wrote: > >Where exactly is Motorcycle Factory Inc.? > >I'd appreciate if anyone could give me an address or a brief location. > > MOTORCYCLE FACTORY > 3820 PRINCE WILLIAM PK > WOODBRIDGE VA, 20112 > 703-583-9600 > > -- Larry -- __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ Shigeru Honda shonda3@XXXXXX __/__/__/__/__/__/__/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 08:40:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GCemH17509 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.142]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GGK00HH3GH2E1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:39:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp02.wcomnet.com by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GGK00B01GGZRD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:39:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chan3544t ([166.36.153.47]) by dgismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42263) with SMTP id <0GGK008BOGGUHA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:38:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:38:39 -0400 From: Robert Verde Subject: [Non-cycle content] WTB: school bus To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX Message-id: <003001c10df4$3e4e6170$2f9924a6@wcomnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal I have been looking for a used school bus for a camper/RV project and I was wondering if any of the DC Cyles listers have, or have seen, used school buses for sale. I've perused the Big Truck Trader (or whatever it's called) and checked out the classifieds I have been able to find online, but nothing yet. Most of the vehicles I have seen advertised for sale are in pretty remote areas, like Ohio. Just on the off-chance, and any tips are appreciated! TIA, Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 08:44:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (hall.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GCi9H17605 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.166.228.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.166.228]) by hall.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09861 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B52E1C2.FB8593B5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:44:50 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Marsee tankbag still for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Marsee mini magnetic tankbag is still for sale if anyone is interested. I thought I had a buyer, but for whatever reason that person didn't show up as planned. Two other people also expressed interest and I tried contacting them directly, but have never heard back from them. So... The first person who actually shows up with $40 takes it away. Not the first person who emails saying they're interested -- I already tried that and it didn't seem to work. But the first live body who actually shows up in person with moola. I live and work in Arlington -- any takers need to be willing to come to either Rosslyn (home) or Ballston (office). No, I can't take it with me to Bike Night tomorrow night because my tank is plastic and the magnetic bag won't attach -- hence my reason for selling it. Chuck >From my previous post: > MARSEE MINI MAGNETIC TANKBAG > > 2 years old. Perfect for a sportbike (it's what I used on my RIP > GSXR750). Top map pocket. Small internal zipper pocket. Elastic loops > for holding pens, tire guage, etc. Can hold a fair amount of stuff. > Plus it's expandable to hold even more. > > It's pretty similar to the current Marsee 8-liter and 10-liter Pocket > Rocket tankbags > http://www.marseeproducts.com/page/tankbg3.html > > For a review of the "Pocket Rocket" Marsee tank bag go to > http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbeware/marseebags/marseebags.html > > This tankbag was on my GSXR when I had my "Deerhunter" crash. It's > still in good (but not perfect) condition -- no rips, tears, or anything > otherwise broken. I'd still use it except the tank on my FZR is plastic > so a magnetic tank bag won't stick! > > A new one of these would probably cost ~$80. You can have this one for > $40 ... as long as you're willing to come to Arlington (Rosslyn) to pick > it up. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 11:06:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GF6CH20143 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GGK00DFRN9WGW@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:05:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GGK00I01N9LKH@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:05:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GGK00GDMN9BKR@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:05:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Close to PowerRide To: Larry Larson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Shigeru Honda Message-id: <3B5302B7.DCFA4C69@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <91.d5612bd.28826b78@aol.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010715100401.00a81820@XXXXXX> Larry Larson wrote: > > At 08:56 AM 7/15/01, you wrote: > >Where exactly is Motorcycle Factory Inc.? > >I'd appreciate if anyone could give me an address or a brief location. > > MOTORCYCLE FACTORY > 3820 PRINCE WILLIAM PK > WOODBRIDGE VA, 20112 > 703-583-9600 > > -- Larry It's a good shop, but a pain in the butt to find. Kind of hidden up at the top of a hill. Poor location. Good folks working there, though. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 12:18:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.int.atpco.com (access.atpco.com [206.181.245.167]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GGINH21356 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.14.20] ([192.168.14.20]) by mailbox.int.atpco.com (5.6 UNICOS/5.6) with ESMTP id MAA27587 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:23:08 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.1.3108 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:18:20 -0400 Subject: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) From: Rob Curtis To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit [BEGIN RANT] Okay- We all know Chapel road is a nice, short but fun ride near sunset. Lots of driveways and blind spots make it a slow-slow ride, but it's close to the house, pretty and normally a very relaxing way to end the weekend. Well heading up the out of Clifton toward Ox Road I notice this Civic behind me as I clear the two Stop signs. He rolls through them and sits about 5 feet behind me as I accelerate (swiftly) up the hill. As he stays with me, I realize I'm only gonna make him go faster so after about 10 seconds at 45mph I slow down and move way over to the right on the straight section after the first right-hander. He slows down too and backs off after an open hand wave to pass me. Nope. Stays with me through the two switch-backs and comes right up on me again as we climb the second hill. Anyone who drives this road knows that the hill after the switchback are blind from both directions. This guy decides to run up next to me and pass going uphill, over a blind rise. I grab a big ol right handful and watch in total amazement and shock as this guy slams head on into a Lincoln Navigator cresting the rise from the other lane. The mess of metal and fire twists and slides, flattening out to cover both lanes of the narrow road as, less than a second passes before me shiny Seca II turns first into a sabot then carries me through the carnage and into the great beyond. So what really happened after the idiot gets about 1 foot past me wasn't quite so dramatic. I saw the big Navigator about the same time he did, me mashing my brakes, him swerving almost of the road back into the right lane as I notice my bike is skidding a bit sideways. Bracing for a highside, I gave it some throttle and eased up on the brakes and somehow managed to avoid sliding the bike. I am pissed. Really pissed. Full of adrenaline and at the controls of a machine that can, despite its age, still catch the car that is now going well in excess of 80 mph. Not smart, I know, but I wanted the mf's plate number (I was too preoccupied with avoiding death to catch it the first time). I caught the civic and got a look at the driver as I pulled up alongside and invited him to enter a dialogue. Instead of answering, he cut the wheel and gunned the engine, nearly hitting me. He came so close, though, that my tire streaked across his rear-wheel and fender. He continues on and pulls into a group of traffic (going right on red), I let him get away. Keeping him in sight, I turn into traffic and wind up the throttle on Ox road. No driveways, four lanes, no traffic ahead but the pack of cages the Civic cut-off. WOT from zero to -no way am I taking a second to look down at the speedo at this speed. I see him turning left then a right onto Farifax County PW. I catch up and slow way down to about 55 on the parkway and mentally log the Civic's plates --as he sees me in the rear view he slams the brakes and swings into my lane. I guess he is playing some effing game. Then he hits the pedal. That's it. I backed way of and traveled the rest of the way south on FCP occasionally seeing the Civic up ahead... I get home and call the cops. They send a cruiser over within 5 minutes (FIVE MINUTES!!!) and the young cop is very helpful and laments that his father was killed in a similar head-on collision. He admires my bike, and adds he really wants to get one... After running the plates, the officer gives me a case number and says he is going to talk the driver (who lives in Arlington). He explains that the incident involves a number of moving violations as well as, and more importantly assault. The key, he says, is the registered owner/driver has to admit to driving, or somehow make a reference to the incident that presumes he was driving. The legal route seems likely to amount to nothing. The officer says that I can file a complaint, press charges and go to the county magistrate to request a warrant. Then if the judge feels there is reason to issue a warrant, I can take the Civic driver to court. Now, if I lose the guy could turn around and charge me with malicious prosecution... Hardly seems worth it. No witnesses. My word against his. I think I am going to start riding with a bar-mounted video camera to document the lives of assholes in cages. That's it. [END OF RANT] Rob C. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 12:35:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GGZpH21723 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.214.217.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.214.217]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25992; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B531811.2EF6FCF7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:36:33 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Rob Curtis Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob, Chalk this one up to experience. FWIW, you're lucky the guy in the Civic didn't actually run you down. A word to the wise: in car-motorcycle interaction, the advantage nearly always lies with the car. Completely understandable why you were pissed and gave chase. But mot of the time such action is just asking for trouble. If the driver of the car has already demonstrated that they likely don't have high regard for you or your life, don't give him any more opportunities to kill you. FYI, I got cut off on I-395 on Saturday (I usually avoid interstate like the plague). I was in the far right lane going to exit on Washington Boulevard. Jerk in a Lexus looks right at me and then proceeds to merge over into the space I was occupying. And it was apparent by his actions that he was indignant about me being there! Like I was in the wrong! Then to make things worse, he's taking my exit. And then he deliberately slows and swerves around in front of me. I just backed off the throttle and let him go. I'm not going to give him another chance take me out. I figure his ego is in reverse proportion to size of both his brain and penis. Chuck Rob Curtis wrote : > > [BEGIN RANT] > > Okay- We all know Chapel road is a nice, short but fun ride near sunset. > Lots of driveways and blind spots make it a slow-slow ride, but it's close > to the house, pretty and normally a very relaxing way to end the weekend. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 12:41:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GGexH21747 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:40:57 -0400 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F20E60A@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:40:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Rob: Glad you were writing this and not your N.O.K. After running into people on other lists who needed help unsubscribing their late spouses/significant others due to errant cages its good to read a story with a somewhat happier ending. Someone else on the list (CRS prevents name recall) took a similar driver to court recently and won. Hopefully they will read your post and offer their guidance. Good luck in your decision process. Cedric That's it. [END OF RANT] Rob C. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 13:00:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GH00H22162 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id k.47.df7424d (4328); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <47.df7424d.28847785@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:59:49 EDT Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) To: rcurtis@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 I'm truely sorry tohear about your incident. Having had one tha night of the last Bike Night at Greavy's...I can certainly commiserate. Keener From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 13:16:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13807.mail.yahoo.com (web13807.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6GHGMH22527 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010716171618.24199.qmail@web13807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:16:18 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:16:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) To: Rob Curtis , DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rob: I am glad you are ok! This must have happened very recently, because you are still in shock. I cannot really understand what happened. Did the cars hit each other, you?? The writing is a bit unclear. What happened???? Mark --- Rob Curtis wrote: > [BEGIN RANT] > > Okay- We all know Chapel road is a nice, short but > fun ride near sunset. > Lots of driveways and blind spots make it a > slow-slow ride, but it's close > to the house, pretty and normally a very relaxing > way to end the weekend. > > Well heading up the out of Clifton toward Ox Road I > notice this Civic behind > me as I clear the two Stop signs. He rolls through > them and sits about 5 > feet behind me as I accelerate (swiftly) up the > hill. As he stays with me, I > realize I'm only gonna make him go faster so after > about 10 seconds at 45mph > I slow down and move way over to the right on the > straight section after the > first right-hander. He slows down too and backs off > after an open hand wave > to pass me. Nope. Stays with me through the two > switch-backs and comes right > up on me again as we climb the second hill. > > Anyone who drives this road knows that the hill > after the switchback are > blind from both directions. This guy decides to run > up next to me and pass > going uphill, over a blind rise. I grab a big ol > right handful and watch in > total amazement and shock as this guy slams head on > into a Lincoln Navigator > cresting the rise from the other lane. The mess of > metal and fire twists and > slides, flattening out to cover both lanes of the > narrow road as, less than > a second passes before me shiny Seca II turns first > into a sabot then > carries me through the carnage and into the great > beyond. > > So what really happened after the idiot gets about 1 > foot past me wasn't > quite so dramatic. I saw the big Navigator about the > same time he did, me > mashing my brakes, him swerving almost of the road > back into the right lane > as I notice my bike is skidding a bit sideways. > Bracing for a highside, I > gave it some throttle and eased up on the brakes and > somehow managed to > avoid sliding the bike. > > I am pissed. Really pissed. Full of adrenaline and > at the controls of a > machine that can, despite its age, still catch the > car that is now going > well in excess of 80 mph. Not smart, I know, but I > wanted the mf's plate > number (I was too preoccupied with avoiding death to > catch it the first > time). > > I caught the civic and got a look at the driver as I > pulled up alongside and > invited him to enter a dialogue. Instead of > answering, he cut the wheel and > gunned the engine, nearly hitting me. He came so > close, though, that my tire > streaked across his rear-wheel and fender. > > He continues on and pulls into a group of traffic > (going right on red), I > let him get away. Keeping him in sight, I turn into > traffic and wind up the > throttle on Ox road. No driveways, four lanes, no > traffic ahead but the pack > of cages the Civic cut-off. WOT from zero to -no way > am I taking a second to > look down at the speedo at this speed. I see him > turning left then a right > onto Farifax County PW. I catch up and slow way down > to about 55 on the > parkway and mentally log the Civic's plates --as he > sees me in the rear view > he slams the brakes and swings into my lane. I guess > he is playing some > effing game. Then he hits the pedal. > > That's it. I backed way of and traveled the rest of > the way south on FCP > occasionally seeing the Civic up ahead... > > I get home and call the cops. They send a cruiser > over within 5 minutes > (FIVE MINUTES!!!) and the young cop is very helpful > and laments that his > father was killed in a similar head-on collision. He > admires my bike, and > adds he really wants to get one... After running the > plates, the officer > gives me a case number and says he is going to talk > the driver (who lives in > Arlington). He explains that the incident involves a > number of moving > violations as well as, and more importantly assault. > The key, he says, is > the registered owner/driver has to admit to driving, > or somehow make a > reference to the incident that presumes he was > driving. > > The legal route seems likely to amount to nothing. > The officer says that I > can file a complaint, press charges and go to the > county magistrate to > request a warrant. Then if the judge feels there is > reason to issue a > warrant, I can take the Civic driver to court. Now, > if I lose the guy could > turn around and charge me with malicious > prosecution... Hardly seems worth > it. > > No witnesses. My word against his. I think I am > going to start riding with a > bar-mounted video camera to document the lives of > assholes in cages. > > That's it. > [END OF RANT] > > Rob C. > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 13:23:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GHNRH22636 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:22:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200107161322.AA51511870@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Rob Curtis Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Rob Curtis >... me >mashing my brakes, him swerving almost of the road back into the right lane >as I notice my bike is skidding a bit sideways. Bracing for a highside, I >gave it some throttle and eased up on the brakes and somehow managed to >avoid sliding the bike. Glad you avoided the Raging Asshole. >The legal route seems likely to amount to nothing. The officer says that I >can file a complaint, press charges and go to the county magistrate to >request a warrant. Then if the judge feels there is reason to issue a >warrant, I can take the Civic driver to court. Now, if I lose the guy could >turn around and charge me with malicious prosecution... Hardly seems worth >it. Doug Allis, on this list, recently did that - went to a Magistrate, got a warrant, and the BDC Lexus driver (that passed him half in his lane and half on the shoulder) came to court, was found guilty, and paid a couple hundred dollar fine (if I recall correctly). If you're worried about retaliation, then that's one thing. But given what this guy did, it seems like you can go after him. Especially if he has a record, and especially with the attention given to Killer Road Ragers. And the next time a cager indicates he wants to "play", I bet you pull over and give the asshole all the road he wants, right? it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 13:27:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GHRlH22736 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA04230; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:35:43 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Dccycles2" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Vehicle Sale SPAM! Bike, SUV, Truck! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:23:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal I have three vehicles for sale if anyone is interested. 1985 Yamaha FJ1100 28K Miles EXCELLENT Condition. Only 500 miles since valve adjustment, new brakes, new Ohlins shock, all new fluids, new caliper seals. Photo: http://www.fj1100.com/85fj1100.jpg $2800.00 1986 Ford F150 Long Bed (great bike hauler) 42,000 Original Miles Gray 6 Cylinder 4 Speed Manual, PS, PB (No AC) Sliding Rear Window Tinted Glass Bed Liner Excellent Condition $4500 1997 Isuzu Rodeo 4WD 49,000 Miles, 1 Owner Excellent Condition Silver/gold Mist V-6 Automatic Air Conditioned Power Windows/Locks/Mirrors Roof Rack, Brush Guard, Running Boards, Hood Protector Premium wheels and tires $13,500 Thanks for putting up with my spam :-) Gary Foreman mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 14:18:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GIIVH23682 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.39]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GGK00C4YW6JSY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:18:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp04.wcomnet.com by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GGK00001W4ZWZ@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:18:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp04.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GGK00KD3W40Q9@XXXXXX>; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:16:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:16:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Denver CO Info To: Todd Peer Cc: AA DC Cycles Message-id: <3B532F88.B495416@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <001a01c10d40$65827100$983e2c42@c9rnf01> Todd Peer wrote: > > I thought I'd start here with a question to former Denver residents or > anyone who knows anything about Denver. > > Me and the DC-Cycles list asshole are hauling our bikes out to Colorabo via > trailer/truck around mid August. We need a place to secure the > trailer/truck somewhere in Denver while we go and explore the mountains and > mesas. Anyone? Betcha a beer that you'll find someone on the LD list in that general area who'll probably let you stash the non-motos for a few days. It's quite the helpful list at times. Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 14:41:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GIf9H24071 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06805 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010716143704.00b51550@mail.hq.nasa.gov> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:41:26 -0400 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: inspection sticker plates? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Looking at the FJ for sale, I was wondering who sells a nice display plate for inspection stickers and the like? Or should I make my own? The Virginia inspection sticker is huge, then there's the PPT sticker, and I might be getting a parking sticker too -- it's getting a little out of control. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 14:46:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GIktH24257 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id m.d9.1760a0d9 (4328); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:46:38 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:46:38 EDT Subject: Re: inspection sticker plates? To: rob@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 > Looking at the FJ for sale, I was wondering who sells a nice display plate > for inspection stickers and the like? Or should I make my own? > > The Virginia inspection sticker is huge, then there's the PPT sticker, and > I might be getting a parking sticker too -- it's getting a little out of > control. I've seen lots of them on bike forks. Personally...I have yet to get my bikes inspected. It's only a cursory inspection at best....and I tend to be afr more meticulous with my bike than a mechanic in a local shop will ever be. Besides...since the positioning isn't mandated...cops don't generally pull you over for it. Then again...I've only be in VA for 8 years. :-) Keen-Bean From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 14:59:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GIxUH24473 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.59.11.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.59.11]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12575; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5339BB.F61B0FDC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:00:11 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Rob Winters Subject: Re: inspection sticker plates? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010716143704.00b51550@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I use my forks (at the top, just below the triple clamp) for my inspection stickers -- state inspection on the left, countys sticker on the right. On a sportbike, they end up being "hidden" from normal view (which is just fine with me). Other folks who want their stickers to be seen tend to use the swingarm or somewhere on the frame. If you MUST have a "flashy" mounting system for your stickers, I think BMW makes something that attaches to the fork leg (or something like that) -- I know a friend of mine has one on his K1200RS. But since it's a BMW part, I doubt that it's very inexpensive! Chuck Rob Winters wrote: > > Looking at the FJ for sale, I was wondering who sells a nice display plate > for inspection stickers and the like? Or should I make my own? > > The Virginia inspection sticker is huge, then there's the PPT sticker, and > I might be getting a parking sticker too -- it's getting a little out of > control. > > /// Rob -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 15:03:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GJ3WH24582 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs724762 (Gary [192.168.0.229]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA05990; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:10:33 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Rob Winters" , Subject: RE: inspection sticker plates? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:58:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010716143704.00b51550@mail.hq.nasa.gov> My cousin worked for Coca Cola and we have a big piece of Lexan off the front of a machine that was busted. I make parts out of it all the time. The stuff is impossible to break. I then just painted it black. Very light too. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Rob Winters [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 2:41 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: inspection sticker plates? Looking at the FJ for sale, I was wondering who sells a nice display plate for inspection stickers and the like? Or should I make my own? The Virginia inspection sticker is huge, then there's the PPT sticker, and I might be getting a parking sticker too -- it's getting a little out of control. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 17:26:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GLQHH27077 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id 2.f7.c9726d2 (4155) for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:26:09 EDT Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/16/2001 12:23:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rcurtis@XXXXXX writes: > [BEGIN RANT] A much deserved rant! I have played that game. Every time I have had to deal with an obviously impaired driver it has started with that kind of close tailgating. As a result I assume extreme tailgaters are drunk, and treat them as such. He is obviously an idiot, here is hoping he says something to incriminate himself. Good luck kicking his ass (figuratively of course.) John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 18:22:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com [207.46.181.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6GMMvH28045 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.30.135.147]) by cpimssmtpu05.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Mon, 16 Jul 2001 15:22:34 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:29:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 22:22:35.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[D01F0270:01C10E45] Did the cars run into each other as they crested the hill? It always makes me furious when "cagers" do this, but its not only "cagers" its also motorcyclists. Whenever im on the beltway i always see motorcyclists weaving in and out of traffic cutting cars off, no wonder "cagers" get upset. Its better to avoid getting upset, i know because i have a hard time keeping undercontrol when cars cut you off or deliberatly try to cause an accident. Im getting better at it. I think in your case i would try my best at taking him to court, it seems like you have a good case. I have had a friend get hit by a car, the car kept on going. He gave chase and managed to eye the driver, it seemed to be a chase to nowhere, because he did not keep cool enough to get the license plate of the car. Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 19:58:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11505.mail.yahoo.com (web11505.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6GNwCH29641 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010716235809.99026.qmail@web11505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.6] by web11505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:58:09 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 16:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Looking for a Maryland lawyer to handle DUI To: rydin , "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" In-Reply-To: <000301c10d6b$7a55f540$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about Dan Murphy who works with DCC's own Tom Gimer??? His office number is (301) 913-0060. Glenn --- rydin wrote: > A friend of mine is looking for a lawyer to handle a > motorcycle DUI case in > MD. > > If anyone here knows someone please email me. > > > Thanks > > Niv > BMW F650ST > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 20:13:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6H0DgH29925 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (dialup-64.157.48.250.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.48.250]) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16064 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 17:13:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001901c10e55$bbe76e40$36cdfea9@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: References: Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:16:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > I think I am going to start riding with a > bar-mounted video camera to document the lives of assholes in cages. Bummer - RAM-MOUNT makes a very nice camera mount that will bolt nicely on a set or tubular bars (I have my GSX1100 set up that way - great video - I need a way to kill the wind noise though...) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 21:14:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6H1ENH01005 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-75.patriot.net [209.249.180.75]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6H1DZN27378; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:13:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3B538FD9.976F9B5E@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:07:37 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Winters CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: inspection sticker plates? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010716143704.00b51550@mail.hq.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harley shops sell them - one bolt attachment. Rob Winters wrote: > Looking at the FJ for sale, I was wondering who sells a nice display plate > for inspection stickers and the like? Or should I make my own? > > The Virginia inspection sticker is huge, then there's the PPT sticker, and > I might be getting a parking sticker too -- it's getting a little out of > control. > > /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 22:10:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6H2AIH01836 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0365.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.131.111]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6H2AEh83454 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:10:15 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:10:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <001901c10e55$bbe76e40$36cdfea9@michael> http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/001001_mfr_motorcycle.html Enjoy- Rob C> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 22:16:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c012.sfo.cp.net (c012-h024.c012.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.172]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6H2GFH01993 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 15922 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2001 19:16:07 -0700 Date: 16 Jul 2001 19:16:07 -0700 Message-ID: <20010717021607.15921.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jul 2001 02:16:07 GMT Received: from [192.216.141.15] by mail.altavista.com with HTTP; 16 Jul 2001 19:16:07 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Pat Bousliman X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: wookiee@XXXXXX Subject: please unsubscribe thank you Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 22:50:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6H2ojH02575 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA31964 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:48:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 22:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Nolan helmets? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know if and local dealers carry Nolan helmets? I'm particularly interested in the N-100. Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 16 23:44:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6H3iEH03374 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 03:44:11 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: And they say motorcycles are dangerous? Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:44:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c10e8b$decffc20$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 >From News of the Weird (http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html) >According to the annual report on estimated accidents in the home, from Britain's Department of Trade and Industry and detailed in a June issue of New Scientist, three dozen people were sent to the hospital for injuries associated with teapot covers; about 165 for injuries from placemats, about 330 from toilet-paper holders, and about 13,000 from vegetables. However, sponge-related accidents fell from 996 the previous year to 787, and only 329 injuries from meat cleavers were reported. [New Scientist, 6-9-01] > Beware of the sponges ! Niv BMW F650ST _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 00:26:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6H4QKH04017 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mindspring.com ([24.18.170.145]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010717042609.PNFG19502.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX> for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:26:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3B53BED0.4D40A401@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 00:28:00 -0400 From: Todd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Non-cycle content] WTB: school bus References: <200107162300.f6GN02p28653@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.rohrerbus.com/ They're located up Route 15 on the other side of Harrisburg. They have a large selection of used buses on the lot. I have no affiliation. I noticed the place on my way up to a dual sport ride in Mill Hall, PA last month. Todd Reston '96 KLR650 '93 EX500 '79 KZ400 LTD '79 GTMX '75 XL350 > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:38:39 -0400 > From: Robert Verde > Subject: [Non-cycle content] WTB: school bus > To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" > Reply-to: c-Robert.Verde@XXXXXX > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > X-MSMail-priority: Normal > > I have been looking for a used school bus for a camper/RV project and I was > wondering if any of the DC Cyles listers have, or have seen, used school buses > for sale. I've perused the Big Truck Trader (or whatever it's called) and > checked out the classifieds I have been able to find online, but nothing yet. > Most of the vehicles I have seen advertised for sale are in pretty remote areas, > like Ohio. > > Just on the off-chance, and any tips are appreciated! > > TIA, > > Robert Verde From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 08:09:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6HC9oH12080 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010717120948.96099.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [198.133.22.93] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:09:48 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Knapik Subject: Re: And they say motorcycles are dangerous? To: rydin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000101c10e8b$decffc20$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What in the hell are they doing with vegetables over there?!? --- rydin wrote: > From News of the Weird > (http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html) > > >According to the annual report on estimated > accidents in the home, from > Britain's Department of Trade and Industry and > detailed in a June issue of > New Scientist, three dozen people were sent to the > hospital for injuries > associated with teapot covers; about 165 for > injuries from placemats, about > 330 from toilet-paper holders, and about 13,000 from > vegetables. However, > sponge-related accidents fell from 996 the previous > year to 787, and only > 329 injuries from meat cleavers were reported. [New > Scientist, 6-9-01] > > > > > Beware of the sponges ! > > Niv > BMW F650ST > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > http://mail.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 08:11:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HCB5H12093 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id e.105.640a940 (15890); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web51.aolmail.aol.com (web51.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.12]) by air-id08.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID85-0717081003; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:10:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:10:03 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Nolan helmets? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <105.640a940.2885851c@aol.com> I think both Coleman and Cycle Sport carry them. I bought my N100 at Coleman a few months ago. They may not be the best in customer service or staff personalities but, they do have a good accessory department. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 16 Jul 2001 10:53:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hcaldwell writes: > > Does anyone know if and local dealers carry Nolan > helmets? I'm particularly interested in the N-100. > > Thanks, > Hugh From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 08:16:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9603.mail.yahoo.com (web9603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.182]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6HCGGH12249 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010717121614.6402.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:16:14 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: And they say motorcycles are dangerous? To: Tom Knapik , rydin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010717120948.96099.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe it's the old "I slipped in the shower, I swear!" ;-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Tom Knapik wrote: > What in the hell are they doing with vegetables over > there?!? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 08:28:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6HCSNH12416 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010717122736.99353.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.42.235] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:27:36 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:27:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: And they say motorcycles are dangerous? To: Tom Knapik , rydin , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010717120948.96099.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii like you've never gotten a cucumber stuck up your ass?!?! puh-leeeaaase!! ;) i would imagine _most_ of these are chokings --- Tom Knapik wrote: > What in the hell are they doing with vegetables over > there?!? > > --- rydin wrote: > > From News of the Weird > > (http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html) > > > > >According to the annual report on estimated > > accidents in the home, from > > Britain's Department of Trade and Industry and > > detailed in a June issue of > > New Scientist, three dozen people were sent to the > > hospital for injuries > > associated with teapot covers; about 165 for > > injuries from placemats, about > > 330 from toilet-paper holders, and about 13,000 from > > vegetables. However, > > sponge-related accidents fell from 996 the previous > > year to 787, and only > > 329 injuries from meat cleavers were reported. [New > > Scientist, 6-9-01] > > > > > > > > > Beware of the sponges ! ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 08:29:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f36.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HCTbH12436 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:15:46 -0700 Received: from 152.119.154.11 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:15:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [152.119.154.11] From: "Tom Faigle" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Rob Curtis' run in Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:15:46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 12:15:46.0436 (UTC) FILETIME=[35520C40:01C10EBA] Rob, I know it's poor taste, but why don't you post a good discription of this guys cage and his tag. I live off of the Fairfax County Parkway, and it's bad enough with the "normal" idiots. Knowing that extreme jerks like this are driving in my area just make it even scarier. Having an idea who these jerks are might help a little. (.ie looking for him, and paying more attention to what's going). Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 08:56:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HCusH12922 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:56:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200107170856.AA74318280@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Rob Curtis' run in X-Mailer: And if everyone who kept an eye on him phoned in a "Turn in an Aggressive Driver" call to Fairfax Police maybe this driver would get the attention he deserves. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tom Faigle" Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:15:46 >Rob, > >I know it's poor taste, but why don't you post a good discription of this >guys cage and his tag. I live off of the Fairfax County Parkway, and it's >bad enough with the "normal" idiots. Knowing that extreme jerks like this >are driving in my area just make it even scarier. Having an idea who these >jerks are might help a little. (.ie looking for him, and paying more >attention to what's going). > >Tom > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 10:39:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HEdoH14718 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19901 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010717102411.00b59640@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:40:09 -0400 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! In-Reply-To: References: <001901c10e55$bbe76e40$36cdfea9@michael> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:10 PM 7/16/2001 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: >http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/001001_mfr_motorcycle.html > > >Enjoy- >Rob C> I can add two things from personal experience. (Or is it three things?) (1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police officers. Bad news: no comradery. Good news: traffic cops wave you through intersections. (2) Two of my male HD-riding friends relate that it is not all that uncommon to have certain female anatomical features waved at them in an unclothed state -- this also never happened to me when I was on the HD police model. Go figure. :-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 10:42:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HEg2H14796 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GGM0046HGTTZ2@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GGM00701GTKYM@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GGM0067PGTERS@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:41:39 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:41:29 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) To: Michael Jordan Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B544E99.2F874755@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <001901c10e55$bbe76e40$36cdfea9@michael> Michael Jordan wrote: > > > I think I am going to start riding with a > > bar-mounted video camera to document the lives of assholes in cages. > > Bummer - RAM-MOUNT makes a very nice camera mount that will bolt nicely on a > set or tubular bars (I have my GSX1100 set up that way - great video - I > need a way to kill the wind noise though...) Any way to mount an external mic somewhere out of the windblast? Behind a fairing (don't you use a small handlebar fairing?) or maybe place it down around the engine somewhere... Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 10:58:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HEwRH15057 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:57:34 -0400 Message-Id: <200107171057.AA36766356@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Rob Winters >I can add two things from personal experience. (Or is it three things?) > >(1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police officers. Oh heck, I wave. And I often get a wave back. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 11:07:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m06.mx.aol.com (imo-m06.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HF7iH15220 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id 2.26.184fb90c (3999) for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:07:27 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <26.184fb90c.2885aeae@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:07:26 EDT Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/17/2001 10:41:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rob@XXXXXX writes: > (1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police officers. > Bad news: no comradery. Good news: traffic cops wave you through > intersections. I beg your pardon! I wave at police motorcycles (_Open hand_ {smartasses}). I never met a rider I did not like. and that includes police. Actually in the old days before radar or even vascar I made it a reflex to always wave at police because they were taught to wave back at us citizens. I figured that after a friendly wave they would feel like shits if they chased me down and gave me a ticket. I do not know if it worked, but I never got a ticket from a cop I had waved to even when I was super-legal. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 11:08:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f10.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HF8hH15230 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:56:44 -0700 Received: from 64.241.20.51 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:56:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.241.20.51] From: "Razz Man" To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:56:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 14:56:44.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1F53C70:01C10ED0] I almost always wave to the Police Motorcycles, I think only 2 have ever waved back. And when I don't wave at them, it's because I don't want to attract attention. ;-) Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 www.conflictedinterest.com > >I can add two things from personal experience. (Or is it three things?) > >(1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police officers. >Bad news: no comradery. Good news: traffic cops wave you through >intersections. > > > /// Rob > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 11:33:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HFXMH15679 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01602 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010717113043.00b6d788@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:33:42 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! In-Reply-To: <26.184fb90c.2885aeae@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:07 AM 7/17/2001 -0400, PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: >I beg your pardon! >I wave at police motorcycles (_Open hand_ {smartasses}). >I never met a rider I did not like. and that includes police. Oh, well. Just speaking from my experience of three years of riding an Electra Glide Police Special in this town. Now that I've sold it and I'm on a generic metric cruiser-looking cycle, it's like the wave faucet has been turned on. And the police ignore me now. :-) YMMV, and obviously does. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 11:44:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HFiWH15901 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.38]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GGM00C5XJPSIU@XXXXXX> for DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp03.wcomnet.com by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GGM00J01JPNQX@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GGM00J3DJPB2H@XXXXXX>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:43:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:43:50 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B545D36.367D204A@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200107171057.AA36766356@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote: > >(1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police officers. > > Oh heck, I wave. And I often get a wave back. Me too. -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 12:03:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f146.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.146]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HG3BH16272 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:03:03 -0700 Received: from 199.75.227.98 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:03:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.75.227.98] From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: used bus Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:03:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 16:03:03.0838 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5D873E0:01C10ED9]



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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 12:06:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HG6AH16352 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.167.69.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.167.69]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06166 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B54629D.1AF82230@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:06:53 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Marsee mini magnetic tank bag SOLD! 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Chris Weaver __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 12:15:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from server2.bredhoff.com ([63.80.117.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HGFOH16552 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by SERVER2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:14:58 -0400 Message-ID: <750BC2024318D2118BD200A0C9DAFA76542396@SERVER2> From: Michael Lynch To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Van for sale Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:14:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I thought I'd post this in case anyone was interested. I've had 2 bikes in it at once, and it's great for everything. I'm selling it because I bought a new one with a lift! 1981 Dodge B250 Cargo van that has windows in all doors 125,xxx miles 318 V8 engine (5.2 liter) Automatic transmission Dark green metallic color, with rust spots and rust around the wheel wells Interior is insulated with carpet on the floor Built in cabinets for storage Alarm, remote keyless entry (power locks) PB, PS Heavy duty rear springs, rated at about 1.25 ton capacity Receiver tow hitch Only thing it needs is a front end alignment. Currently in Albany, NY at my mom's house, but at the end of July I'll be driving it back to Alexandria. $500 and it's yours Plenty of pictures available. Thanks, Mike From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 12:17:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp.ddlomni.com ([204.245.128.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HGHUH16577 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smtp.ddlomni.com from localhost (router,SLMail V5.0); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:39:36 -0400 for Received: from jstrang [204.245.128.170] by smtp.ddlomni.com [204.245.128.5] (SLmail 5.0.0.4342) with SMTP id C78851F979ED11D58E12006008C770E5 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:39:35 -0400 From: "Jon Strang" To: Subject: RE: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010717102411.00b59640@mail.nova.org> X-SLUIDL: B376EF5C-79ED11D5-8E120060-08C770E5 I wave at bike cops, and they *always* wave back. They seem to be the H-D rule exception. Am I the only freak in DC that waves at motorcycle officers? --jon > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Winters [mailto:rob@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 10:40 AM > To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! > > > At 10:10 PM 7/16/2001 -0400, Rob Curtis wrote: > >http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/001001_mfr_motorcycle.html > > > > > >Enjoy- > >Rob C> > > I can add two things from personal experience. (Or is it three things?) > > (1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police > officers. > Bad news: no comradery. Good news: traffic cops wave you through > intersections. > > (2) Two of my male HD-riding friends relate that it is not all that > uncommon to have certain female anatomical features waved at them in an > unclothed state -- this also never happened to me when I was on the HD > police model. Go figure. :-) > > /// Rob > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 12:24:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HGO6H16688 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.208.167.69.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [63.208.167.69]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16787 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5466D1.4F10DDF2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:24:49 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I try to remember to wave to everyone on two wheels, even the boyz in blue. Of course, one time it was when they had a radar gun trained on me! %^) Jon Strang wrote : > > Am I the only freak in DC that waves at motorcycle officers? -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 12:29:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HGT8H16798 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkybx07542; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:26:26 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkybx29800; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:26:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:26:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, thomasajordan@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Computer humor....FUNNY! (a link) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0107/turing/ -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 12:53:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HGr2H17307 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id 4.7f.17431957 (5708); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id04.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID41-0717125253; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:52:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:52:52 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Great Column for Beltway Bigots! To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <7f.17431957.2885c765@aol.com> In a message dated Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:00:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Chris Norloff" writes: > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Rob Winters > >I can add two things from personal experience. (Or is it three things?) > > > >(1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police officers. > > Oh heck, I wave. And I often get a wave back. > > Chris Norloff I do too. Pretty nice seeing them waving at you instead of waving you over. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 13:08:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6HH88H17585 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010717170805.12161.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.245] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:08:05 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: And they say motorcycles are dangerous? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <20010717120948.96099.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii DAMN SMUGGLERS!!! -Corbett '99 K1200RS --- Tom Knapik wrote: > What in the hell are they doing with vegetables over > there?!? > --- rydin wrote: > > From News of the Weird > > (http://www.newsoftheweird.com/archive/index.html) > > > > >According to the annual report on estimated > > accidents in the home, from > > Britain's Department of Trade and Industry and > > detailed in a June issue of > > New Scientist, three dozen people were sent to the > > hospital for injuries > > associated with teapot covers; about 165 for > > injuries from placemats, about > > 330 from toilet-paper holders, and about 13,000 > from > > vegetables. However, > > sponge-related accidents fell from 996 the > previous > > year to 787, and only > > 329 injuries from meat cleavers were reported. > [New > > Scientist, 6-9-01] > > > > > > > > > Beware of the sponges ! > > > > Niv > > BMW F650ST > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 13:58:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HHwvH18753 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0612.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.132.104]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6HHwtQ70196 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:58:55 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: Is the Archive working? Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:58:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 How soon after posting are articles available on the archive? Thanks- Rob Rob Curtis Staff Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ Never be afraid to try something new; remember, amateurs built the Ark, and professionals built the Titanic. __________________ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 14:04:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (web3802.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6HI4cH18935 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010717180436.13775.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:04:36 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: Is the Archive working? To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you're referring to the dccycles.com web site, it's a matter of me taking the time to post them there. I've been having some problems lately doing the site maintenance, so the only new pages are ones that Laura has posted. If you want photos posted to the site, let me know and I'll do my best to get them up there. Chris Weaver VTR, YSR --- Rob Curtis wrote: > How soon after posting are articles available on the > archive? > Thanks- > Rob > > Rob Curtis > Staff Photographer > Army Times Publishing Co. > Springfield, VA > > http://www.robcurtis.com > __________________ > Never be afraid to try something new; > remember, amateurs built the Ark, and > professionals built the Titanic. > __________________ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 14:10:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f105.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.105]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HIAUH19059 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 10:58:54 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:58:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Anti cell phone bumper sticker for bikes Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:58:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 17:58:54.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[24E666A0:01C10EEA] I just saw this on another list and thought I'd forward it on. Perry ------ I just read in the latest edition of the AMA's magazine that they are giving away free a 4-inch square bumper sticker, sized just right for bikes, that says "Drive Now, Talk Later!" To get your free sticker, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to: "Drive Now, Talk Later!" sticker c/o AMA 13515 Yarmouth Dr. Pickerington, OH 43147 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 14:37:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HIbTH19657 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3YV2JSTY>; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:37:12 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F016132DB@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'pawilson@XXXXXX'" Subject: CO2 cartridges Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:38:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Paul pondered, "Based on thoughts that I've been operating on borrowed time with respect to tire punctures (the only time I've had a flat it was three blocks from my house) I got one of those Progressive Suspension kits for emergency tire plugging and it only comes with two CO2 cartridges. " Horkster hinted, "PS: I used up 3 or 4 of those cartridges to get 20 pounds of air in a Connie rear tire once. Trust me, you need a pump or an electric compressor of some kind." For a compact electric pump, pick up: 1. cheep-Chinese pump at Wally Mart (or CVS- K-Mart sale. . .) $10.00 (if the pump cover is bulky, discard it.) 2. One set of bi-polar trailer connectors (WM or Trak) $1.60 3. One 20 amp fuse holder. $2.00 Plus tax Plus usual supplies: solder, shrink tubing, electric tape, multimeter, cold beverage . . . Warning: If you're unsure of working around 12 volt equipment, or don't know Jack about soldering and electrical insulation then fergittabout the following and buy a professional motorcycle pump at yer Hardly or Wing dealers. Check that the pump works by plugging it into a car or Jerry-rig to a battery. Connect the fuse holder to the hot side of the bike battery (don't forget to add a 20 amp fuse later), Snip trailer connectors in half Connect the other side of the fuse holder to the unexposed plug of the trailer connector (duh), the other side of the trailer connector (the exposed plug) to a ground. Now, you have a hot-all-the-time fused connector for your electrics, for easy plugging into your Batt-Tender, an-nd your soon-to-be-modified electric pump. Snip the cig - connector from the electric pump -- one wire at time -- after the first wire check if it's the ground or hot wire. (leave some wire on the plug for Option 1 below) Solder the other piece of trailer connector to the pump wire (the ground side was connected to the outside of the cig plug, so that wire will go to the unexposed side of the trailer connector. Thus, it connects to the exposed part -- ground --on the bike) Plug the pump into the bike plug, flick switch (You did add the fuse?) Pat yourself of the back. Do the I-gotta-mini-pump-for-my-bike dance. Option: buy another set of trailer connectors and solder half to the cig plug so you can connect it to the pump and run it off of a cig lighter. Option 2: some pumps don't have a switch. While at Trak, pick up a SPDT (~$1.50) and hook it in line. Option 3: A can of Fix 'O Flat (with tube connector) is still a good idea. Carl in Bethesda (I'm from the gummimint and here to hep) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 16:59:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe50.pav0.hotmail.com [64.4.32.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6HKxmH22134 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:48:18 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.48.105.167] From: "Patrick Caulfield" To: "DCCycles" Subject: 1998 CBR600F3 for sale Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:52:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.10.0016.1619 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10EE0.E562B8C0" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 20:48:18.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[CECC8B60:01C10F01] ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10EE0.E562B8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone knows anyone interested, I'd appreciate it if they'd pass along= the info. Thanks! 1998 CBR600F3 completely stock. 7,200 miles Red w/black tiger stripes. Excellent Condition Zero Gravity Double Bubble Windscreen, extra LP speedscreen Cover 2 jackets (1 HJC Retro/ 1 First Gear Sport(Nylon)) 2 helmets (AGV Q3, Snell and DOT Rated) LP Racing Swingarm Stand Asking $6,200 obo Paid over $900 for accessories. Selling to save for race bike! Call after 5pm (H) 703-644-5949 Between 8-5 (W) 703-799-7168 If those don't work (M) 703-593-5001 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10EE0.E562B8C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone know= s anyone interested, I'd appreciate it if they'd pass along the info.&nbs= p; Thanks!
 
1998 CBR600F3 completely stock.
7,200 miles
Red w/black tiger stripes.
Ex= cellent Condition
Zero Gravity Double Bubble Windscreen, extra= LP speedscreen
Cover
2 jackets (1 HJC Retro/ 1 Fir= st Gear Sport(Nylon))
2 helmets (AGV Q3, Snell and DOT Rated)<= /DIV>
LP Racing Swingarm Stand
 
Asking $= 6,200 obo
 
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Call afte= r 5pm  (H) 703-644-5949
Between 8-5   (W) 703-7= 99-7168
If those don't work (M) 703-593-5001

 
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10EE0.E562B8C0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 21:15:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpoa02.msn.com ([207.46.193.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6I1FuH26454 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com ([207.46.181.87]) by cpimssmtpoa02.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:15:48 -0700 Received: from pavilion ([63.15.236.2]) by cpimssmtpu12.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:15:15 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: romney cycles website Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:21:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 01:15:18.0955 (UTC) FILETIME=[1BEA0FB0:01C10F27] To all who might be interested, romney cycles has a website at www.romneycycle.com . They have several nice bikes, 2 gsxr1000s', zx11, zx9r, zx7r, zx6r and several others. Ricardo Pontes From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 21:53:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6I1rFH27017 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-116-185.s185.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.185] helo=66.44.46.156) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MgWW-0006x7-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:53:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3B54EB9A.679A@starpower.net> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:51:22 -0400 From: Paul Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-SP32599 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 647 near Flint Hill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As Linda Tanner reported a week or so ago 647 (Crest Hill Rd.) near Flint Hill is still a mess with loose gravel galore. I had the "pleasure" of traveling the road today on my "scenic route" back from CLASS at VIR. The worse part is the gravel blends in with the road surface and you can't see it until you're on top of it. Some serious pucker factor on one turn. This road is presently not a good venue for "spirited" riding and should be avoided or ridden very slowly. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 22:21:13 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11502.mail.yahoo.com (web11502.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6I2LCH27508 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718022109.54254.qmail@web11502.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.233.247.5] by web11502.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:21:09 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:21:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: 647 near Flint Hill To: Paul Wilson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <3B54EB9A.679A@starpower.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To avoid this section of road do the following... >From Marshall take 647 approximately 4 miles and take a right on VA 635 (the road Oasis winery is on). Take this to US 522 and continue riding. Do this in reverse on the way home. 635 is just as fun as 647 IMO. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > As Linda Tanner reported a week or so ago 647 (Crest > Hill Rd.) near > Flint Hill is still a mess with loose gravel galore. > I had the > "pleasure" of traveling the road today on my "scenic > route" back from > CLASS at VIR. The worse part is the gravel blends > in with the road > surface and you can't see it until you're on top of > it. Some serious > pucker factor on one turn. This road is presently > not a good venue for > "spirited" riding and should be avoided or ridden > very slowly. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 22:40:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6I2ecH27768 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21817 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2001 19:40:28 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.171) with SMTP; 17 Jul 2001 19:40:28 -0700 X-Sent: 18 Jul 2001 02:40:28 GMT Message-ID: <00c701c10f33$65211460$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: Thanks for the bike night! Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:43:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Just wanted to thank Chuck and Mark for another great bike night at Greveys! As always, it was a blast! Laura From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 23:11:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6I3BRH28269 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-63.215.159.205.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [63.215.159.205]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20108 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B54FEF0.57BCB504@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:13:52 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night @ Grevey's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was good to see everyone at Bike Night @ Grevey's. Thanks to everyone who showed up. I know I didn't get to say "Hi!" to everyone and meet some of the new folks (at least new to me), but I felt like I got around to most of the crowd. Considering that the weather forecast was "iffy" (possible thundershowers), I thought we had a really good turnout. Mark counted 25+ bikes at one point (the total count was probably more like 30+ as some people had left when Mark went to the parking lot to count). And I know we had more people than that because more than a few folks chose to drive (hey, that's OK!) Don't forget "Ride to Work" and "Ride to Lunch" tomorrow. Unfortunately, last weather forecast I saw was for a wet Wednesday which could put a damper on both. All you Maryland DCCers better show up to the next Bike Night that Lisa Goddard has put together at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda on Sunday, July 29th! And we're back at CarPool on Sunday, August 12th. Keep checking http://www.geocities.com/bikenight for all the latest and greatest Bike Night news! Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 17 23:47:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from k-kdom.nishanet.com ([63.168.126.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6I3lRH28884 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brownleeb.nishanet.com (unverified [204.94.239.173]) by k-kdom.nishanet.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.6.189) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:33:15 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010717231417.00ab9008@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:30:23 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/17/01 In-Reply-To: <200107172300.f6HN0CZ24129@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >I can add two things from personal experience. (Or is it three things?) > >(1) Nobody, but nobody, waves at police motorcycles except police officers. >Bad news: no comradery. Good news: traffic cops wave you through >intersections. sorry, digestically impared.... but wanted to add... i most always wave at anyone (unless my arm is tired, than then unfortunately, the expectant receiver has no way of knowing whether it is snobbishness or exhuastion causing my lack of sociality). always wave at cops, mostly sheepishly... most of the time get about a 50% 'return factor'. last time i tried was after chief bernals funeral, so i wouldnt expect much exuberance. my congratulations to the original writer tho... havent seen a column like that in,,,, ohh, about 15 days.... great dodge on plagerism....... great to see someone with such a positive attitude on riding putting his feelings out on the net.... BTW, there is a benefit poker run for Chief Bernal at patriot HD this sunday, great way to show support for a fellow rider. hope to see many there. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 00:20:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6I4KvH29411 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0575.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.132.67]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6I4KqQ137928 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:20:52 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: Subject: Anyone heading up to Summit Point Sunday? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:20:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal I am looking for some company for a Sunday morning ride up and an evening ride back to the Springfield area. Anyone else heading up this weekend for the NESBA events? Rob Curtis Staff Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ Never be afraid to try something new; remember, amateurs built the Ark, and professionals built the Titanic. __________________ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 07:07:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IB7NH06520 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj33046a ([24.13.248.105]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010718110710.OJUG1561.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj33046a>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:07:10 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c10f79$cac1ea10$69f80d18@alex1.va.home.com> From: "Richard L. Casale" To: Cc: Subject: Stock Honda VFR800 (2000) Seat for Sale $75 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:07:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Anybody want a stock, mint condition (under 4,000 miles on it) 2000 model year Honda VFR800 seat. I'll let you have it for $75--you pay the shipping. I have a Sargent WorldSport seat that fits me better and have no need for the stock. Please email me. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 07:22:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IBMlH06770 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj33046a ([24.13.248.105]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010718112240.OSXW1561.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj33046a> for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:22:40 -0700 Message-ID: <004001c10f7b$f52fa920$69f80d18@alex1.va.home.com> From: "Richard L. Casale" To: References: <200107031310.AA196215272@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Safe Speed vs. Speed Limits Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 I have to throw my two cents into this thread. As one who drives a bike year round and in every possible situation and location other then the race track i can say that it largely depends on the roads, the traffic, obstructions to your view, so on and so fourth. 55mph on a highway is like walking on a running path, I'm usually curising betwee 75 and 80mph traffit and weather permitting. Believe me I'm a very safe driving I never push myself of my bike to the point where I'm being reckless. There are times when fast is easier and just as safe as slower. In big city streets where there are two lanes or more in each direction the speed limit is usually 45mph, and in many cases I'm doing that or 60mph, because it's easy to do that and in most cases everyone else is too and I'd rather move ahead of traffic then behind traffic. Now for residental streets, with cars parked, and lots of people around, the slower the better. I actually pride myself on my slow speed handling, especially given that I pilot of big VFR800 everywhere. People have to account for the unexpected and I don't care how good your breaks are too fast equals dangerous. Some people are very adept at rapid scanning and processing of the scenery, others do not. It really depends on the many variables. I ride through many areas around schools and stuff where the speed limit is 20mhp and i can tell you that unless their are kinds in view or many many cars lining the sides of the road--that I am FORCED to drive next to--I'll never ride 20mhp, it's just too damn slow. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 07:26:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IBQHH06793 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj33046a ([24.13.248.105]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010718112610.OVAB1561.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj33046a> for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:26:10 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c10f7c$726927e0$69f80d18@alex1.va.home.com> From: "Richard L. Casale" To: References: Subject: Re: Warm Weather Protection Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:26:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 i don't know what this thread is really about, because I haven't bothered to read it, but I will say this. I have a Vanson fully perfed CSRV with armor and even in 90 degree heat with humidity (all black) the think is totally invisible. The air moves through through this jacket so long as your moving. When your sitting their at a light you will feel the jacket and it's color, but as soon as you start moving again it cools off and your back to transparent protection. ...and I can tell you that my Vanson makes me feel complete safe--especially with the armor instead--great stuff, worth every penny. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 08:37:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m10.mx.aol.com (imo-m10.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ICbVH08021 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id r.7c.18a11eb1 (15883); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id07.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID710-0718083717; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:37:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:37:16 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night @ Grevey's To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <7c.18a11eb1.2886dcfd@aol.com> Thanks for arranging it. Don't think I'll make it to the next two outtings, have tentative plans to be out of town. But, if I do, I'll make sure I bring name tags for all those who request them. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:20:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena writes: > It was good to see everyone at Bike Night @ Grevey's. Thanks to > everyone who showed up. I know I didn't get to say "Hi!" to everyone > and meet some of the new folks (at least new to me), but I felt like I > got around to most of the crowd. Considering that the weather forecast > was "iffy" (possible thundershowers), I thought we had a really good > turnout. Mark counted 25+ bikes at one point (the total count was > probably more like 30+ as some people had left when Mark went to the > parking lot to count). And I know we had more people than that because > more than a few folks chose to drive (hey, that's OK!) > > Don't forget "Ride to Work" and "Ride to Lunch" tomorrow. > Unfortunately, last weather forecast I saw was for a wet Wednesday which > could put a damper on both. > > All you Maryland DCCers better show up to the next Bike Night that Lisa > Goddard has put together at Uncle Jed's in Bethesda on Sunday, July > 29th! > > And we're back at CarPool on Sunday, August 12th. > > Keep checking http://www.geocities.com/bikenight for all the latest and > greatest Bike Night news! > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 08:48:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13803.mail.yahoo.com (web13803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ICmQH08209 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718124824.37007.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:48:24 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:48:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Bike Night @ Grevey's To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <7c.18a11eb1.2886dcfd@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for everyone who made it out! It was great to meet some new faces. I encourage everyone to make sure and introduce yourself when you come in. And for the regulars, when you see a guy/gal walk in with a motorcycle helmet in their hand and no one to talk to, introduce yourself and say hi! And how about those 250GP races on Speedvision last night? I counted 12 crashes! Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 09:12:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IDCtH08613 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.52.100.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.52.100]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20243 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:13:39 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Not riding to work/lunch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I admit that I am a wimp. But I don't intentionally ride my m/c in wet weather. Nor do I leave it parked outside when it's raining (at least not on purpose). So I didn't ride to work this morning. Which also means I won't be riding to lunch (at Grevey's). But if folks are still gonna show up at Grevey's at lunchtime, I'll gladly drive my Trooper over! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 09:21:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com (web13805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IDLaH08807 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718132134.33027.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:21:34 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Niv, email me...... To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii with the name and number of that guy we discussed last night. Thanks Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 09:26:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IDQZH08848 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718132630.81892.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:26:30 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Not riding to work/lunch To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I rode in this morning and will be at The Rock for lunch. I forget what time we agreed to. Who else will be there and when? I am not sure if I will ride my bike over. The Rock is only two block from where it is parked and I don't know if I want to have the challenge of finding a parking space, plus if the parking nazis see it on the street illeagally parked or what may appear to them to be illeagally parked they may abscond with it and leave me in quite a fluster. Plus she looks a little worse for wear these days. Trey '99 Triumph Trophy 1200 BRG (British Racing Green --- Chuck Pena wrote: > I admit that I am a wimp. But I don't intentionally > ride my m/c in wet > weather. Nor do I leave it parked outside when it's > raining (at least > not on purpose). So I didn't ride to work this > morning. Which also > means I won't be riding to lunch (at Grevey's). But > if folks are still > gonna show up at Grevey's at lunchtime, I'll gladly > drive my Trooper > over! %^) > > Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 09:29:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9606.mail.yahoo.com (web9606.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IDTvH08934 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718132946.42537.qmail@web9606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.11.149.33] by web9606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:29:46 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannette Subject: Re: Not riding to work/lunch To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I won't be coming either, although I said I would last week. :-( I haven't been feeling real well, and I'm slammed at work. Have fun, everyone! :-) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 --- Chuck Pena wrote: > I admit that I am a wimp. But I don't intentionally > ride my m/c in wet > weather. Nor do I leave it parked outside when it's > raining (at least > not on purpose). So I didn't ride to work this > morning. Which also > means I won't be riding to lunch (at Grevey's). But > if folks are still > gonna show up at Grevey's at lunchtime, I'll gladly > drive my Trooper > over! %^) > > Chuck > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 09:31:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IDVpH09024 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MrQb-00062t-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:31:49 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: anyone ever patched an engine? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:31:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IDVrH09025 I've got a wrecked gsxr 750 (srad) project bike with a small chip knocked off the edge of the bottom of the engine (not in the pan). (causes oil to leak out) I've seen engine's patched before.. i just don't know the stuff used.. JB weld? aluminum gas tank repair stuff? OR? what would you use? or what have you heard of? or what do you know of? the boss used to say 'they use this on air plains and it costs $97" but then he was a pathalogical liar who kept his secrets of what it was too. Now I'm thinking maybe it's that stuff they repair boats with. whatever it was, the stuff was pretty solid. what are your ideas? Danny tnx From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 09:51:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe45.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.81]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IDpoH09391 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:51:42 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: ride to work/lunch in sterling Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 13:51:42.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6AC1C40:01C10F90] well, i rode today. didn't see anyone else on two wheels out on the road, though. i'm still planning on heading to emilio's, but i have a meeting this morning so i'll be a little late. on top of that, i have a hell day, so i won't actually be eating lunch there, but i'll drop by and say hi to anyone else who makes it. i'll be the guy on the cb-1. -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 09:52:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IDqoH09424 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Mrku-0001ky-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:52:48 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" , "'MikeRo'" Subject: Re: A little poetic justice. Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:52:09 -0700 Message-ID: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0161329F@DCHQCLEXHQ> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F0161329F@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IDqqH09426 On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:08:07 -0400 , you wrote: |> |> "Texas officials, citing a 1995 law that allows cities of fewer than 5,000 people to keep traffic fines equaling only 30 percent of their total revenue, say Kendleton collected too much money from speeding enforcement from 1990-99." If the law was written in 95.. how do they owe since 1990? Anyway I think it's a hoot! hehe danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:05:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11107.mail.yahoo.com (web11107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.154]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IE5eH09736 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718140538.80583.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.116.158.34] by web11107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:05:38 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: u b Subject: Off topic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Its off the topic of bikes, but on the topic of lawyers. I need one to sue my evil dentist, Dr. Alan Marx. Any suggestions? Thanks! Ulrich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:08:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IE8SH09757 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Ms02-0004dS-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:08:26 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Rob Keiser" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:07:47 -0700 Message-ID: <9fgbltc89pkjjft058nnfn70bnmnmn8n4p@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IE8UH09758 it lookslike you're talking about MD and VA. Be forewarned it's illegal to transport handguns across state lines without being a federal firearm liscense holder. So you might want to stick to the state you're in. What we really need is a southern maryland lister with plenty of backwoods space behind his home Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:16:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13803.mail.yahoo.com (web13803.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEGZH09926 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718141632.57933.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13803.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:16:32 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:16:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Rob Keiser Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <9fgbltc89pkjjft058nnfn70bnmnmn8n4p@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wohaaaaa.....that is sooooo untrue. Where did you get that one? You can even transport a handgun through DC (where they are illegal) if you can prove you are travelling through to another state. YMMV... > forewarned it's > illegal to transport handguns across state lines > without being a > federal firearm liscense holder. So you might want > to stick to the > state you're in. > ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:17:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEHuH09937 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Ms9B-0005yM-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:17:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Rob Winters Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: London to start charging tolls to enter city Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:17:15 -0700 Message-ID: <5vgblt8ccmh676sbmoto82l23ulrkurejm@4ax.com> References: <20010712154328.40982.qmail@web14610.mail.yahoo.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010712140923.00b098c0@mail.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010712140923.00b098c0@mail.nova.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IEHvH09938 I'm still mad the mva charged me extra for my caddilac to get registered, but didn't give me discount for my motorcycle "i thought it was $70 for tags?" "it is, but because the cadillac weighs more it costs more" 2 faced bastards! they'll charge you extra but not give you discount. someone write the state a letter and verbally kick their ass for me! :) ok it's not that serious and i'm not that mad, but it is a good idea :) (to get motorcycles cheaper registration based on weight) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:18:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEI1H09947 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718141758.79504.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:17:58 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:17:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Off topic To: u b , dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20010718140538.80583.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii malpractice? breach of contract? i can provide you a proper referral if you let me know what happened --- u b wrote: > Its off the topic of bikes, but on the topic of > lawyers. I need one to sue my evil dentist, Dr. Alan > Marx. Any suggestions? Thanks! > > Ulrich ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:21:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEL1H10036 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MsCB-0006Pj-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:20:59 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Jeannette , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: Fw: A Really Smart Man Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:20:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: <001e01c10b53$bb70af80$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> <20010713123318.22995.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010713123318.22995.qmail@web9602.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IEL2H10037 Don't be shy. tell us what happend! :) |>But I must add that the worst incident of road rage From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:22:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11203.mail.yahoo.com (web11203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEM4H10046 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718142202.44670.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:02 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: anyone ever patched an engine? To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to sell Epoxy PC7 that was pretty bad ass stuff. I never heard of anyone using it on a motor though. It certainly didn't cost $97. Matt --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I've got a wrecked gsxr 750 (srad) project bike with > a small chip > knocked off the edge of the bottom of the engine > (not in the pan). > (causes oil to leak out) > > I've seen engine's patched before.. i just don't > know the stuff used.. > JB weld? aluminum gas tank repair stuff? OR? > what would you use? or what have you heard of? or > what do you know of? > > the boss used to say 'they use this on air plains > and it costs $97" > but then he was a pathalogical liar who kept his > secrets of what it > was too. Now I'm thinking maybe it's that stuff > they repair boats > with. whatever it was, the stuff was pretty solid. > > what are your ideas? > > > Danny > tnx __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:22:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14603.mail.yahoo.com (web14603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEMMH10056 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718142220.94525.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:20 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Not riding to work/lunch To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i didn't ride today either....and therefore am likely not welcome at the bethesda 2-wheeled gathering. :( --- Chuck Pena wrote: > I admit that I am a wimp. But I don't intentionally ride > my m/c in wet > weather. Nor do I leave it parked outside when it's > raining (at least > not on purpose). So I didn't ride to work this morning. > Which also > means I won't be riding to lunch (at Grevey's). But if > folks are still > gonna show up at Grevey's at lunchtime, I'll gladly drive > my Trooper > over! %^) ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:30:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IETxH10146 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MsKq-0007ma-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:29:57 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCycles'" , "'pawilson@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: CO2 cartridges Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:29:18 -0700 Message-ID: References: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F016132DB@DCHQCLEXHQ> In-Reply-To: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F016132DB@DCHQCLEXHQ> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IEU2H10147 I usually have pretty good rusults.. i'm only about 150 pounds and i ride a light weight bike with a light weight tail end ( 00 zx6r ) and when i've get flats, the tire alone was strong enough to hold itself up as if it had air in it. That was pretty cool. Sometimes i wouldn't realize I had a flat.. until far later on. heh heh Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:31:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEVLH10225 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MsMB-0000DA-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:31:19 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "James Reazor" Cc: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Re: New Buell Firebolt Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:30:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1shblt0c6tskcsp7psbi7cclved060d0h8@4ax.com> References: <002801c10bdc$1abeb120$bb82fea9@palladio> <3B4F6640.DBB68D4A@home.com> <008b01c10be4$a99444c0$bb82fea9@palladio> <000c01c10be9$cd0002a0$6501a8c0@Home> In-Reply-To: <000c01c10be9$cd0002a0$6501a8c0@Home> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IEVMH10226 I like the look.. i'd like lower fairings.. but it looks like it has engine protecting crashbars too. that would be good for a sport bike.. it is a neat looking bike though. a bit weak on power though. i like the neat ideas it incorperates though.. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:32:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from eos.dns-solutions.net (eos.dns-solutions.net [209.66.124.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEW3H10235 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27336 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 14:32:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO R1100S) (209.124.21.152) by illuminedesigns.com - 209.124.21.152 with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 14:32:00 -0000 From: "Wesleyan Hsu" To: Subject: RE: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:31:30 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c10f96$65ced790$9865fea9@R1100S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20010718141632.57933.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2505.0000 Importance: Normal Many years ago, a friend of mine told me that you are not allowed to transport a gun in PA unless you are a resident. So, he instructed me to go from DE straight to NJ to avoid PA (I was coming from MD). If he knew PA's laws (without ever living in PA), I would assume his findings showed that you ARE allowed to carry guns across state lines (at least in most states). I would be very interested in knowing the truth. Wes Hsu > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:17 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; Rob Keiser > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; dccycles2@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? > > > Wohaaaaa.....that is sooooo untrue. Where did you get > that one? > > You can even transport a handgun through DC (where > they are illegal) if you can prove you are travelling > through to another state. > > YMMV... > > > forewarned it's > > illegal to transport handguns across state lines > > without being a > > federal firearm liscense holder. So you might want > > to stick to the > > state you're in. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:39:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from ems.elever.com ([168.143.209.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEdTH10336 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9754 invoked by uid 500); 18 Jul 2001 14:39:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@XXXXXX) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 14:39:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:39:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Will Mitchell cc: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: ride to work/lunch in sterling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Looks like I gotta bail on lunch in Sterling. I'll catch you guys next time. Will Mitchell 99 VFR On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote: >well, i rode today. didn't see anyone else on two wheels out on the road, >though. i'm still planning on heading to emilio's, but i have a meeting >this morning so i'll be a little late. on top of that, i have a hell day, >so i won't actually be eating lunch there, but i'll drop by and say hi to >anyone else who makes it. i'll be the guy on the cb-1. >-- > -greg > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:42:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEg6H10422 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MsWa-0001tb-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:04 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Rob Curtis Cc: Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:41:25 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IEgAH10423 I think you should persue it. That guy is a danger to people everywhere. I think a judge would side with you, if you present yourself in an honest and calm manner. And at the very least, if you lose, you can post his name and address here, and we can see what happens :) this guy might have been a prick to you because the last guy said "it's probably not worth it to persue"..... you could save someone else a lot of stress, or who knows, maybe a life... you should persue it. You might be able to find the navigator driver. he mighta made a police report OR he might drive the same stretch of road daily at the same time as a part of his commute? Danny persue it. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:42:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f62.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEgQH10432 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:42:18 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: the_penas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Not riding to work/lunch Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 14:42:18.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[D85BAE90:01C10F97] Chuck, I wimped too. I have ridden every day this month, either commuting, vacation, or just fun, except today. It figures that it would be raining on RTW day. While I've racked up many rain-soaked days, I try to avoid commuting TO work when it's raining. I just don't have any desire to ride from Gaithersburg to Herndon on slick roads with all the aggressive cagers. Perry >From: Chuck Pena >Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Not riding to work/lunch >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:13:39 -0400 > >I admit that I am a wimp. But I don't intentionally ride my m/c in wet >weather. Nor do I leave it parked outside when it's raining (at least >not on purpose). So I didn't ride to work this morning. Which also >means I won't be riding to lunch (at Grevey's). But if folks are still >gonna show up at Grevey's at lunchtime, I'll gladly drive my Trooper >over! %^) > >Chuck > >-- >"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:44:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEiaH10473 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GGO00K85BIX0E@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GGO00G01BIP0O@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GGO00DCHBILSN@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:21 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:10 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Not riding to work/lunch To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3B55A042.A0920D0E@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> Chuck Pena wrote: > > But if folks are still gonna show up at Grevey's at > lunchtime, I'll gladly drive my Trooper over! %^) Unless the sprinkles turn into an absolute downpour in the next half hour or so, I'll still show at Grevey's. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:46:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEkSH10552 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Msao-0002Zp-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:46:26 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles , Rob Curtis Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:45:48 -0700 Message-ID: References: <3B531811.2EF6FCF7@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <3B531811.2EF6FCF7@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IEkUH10553 I'm starting to think we need someone who can run car tag #'s for us and return their address. Then can be a test subject of a new gasoline additive called sugar. :) Danny they don't deserve to drive From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:50:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEo2H10646 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.52.100.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.52.100]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13208; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B55A246.517DDF13@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:50:46 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Grevey's WAS Not riding to work/lunch References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> <3B55A042.A0920D0E@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK. Who else is going to show up at Grevey's for lunch? Regardless of whether you actually ride your motorcycle. So far sounds like just the Horkster. Dale Horstman wrote: > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > But if folks are still gonna show up at Grevey's at > > lunchtime, I'll gladly drive my Trooper over! %^) > > Unless the sprinkles turn into an absolute downpour in > the next half hour or so, I'll still show at Grevey's. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:51:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f144.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.144]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IEoxH10656 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:50:51 -0700 Received: from 199.228.142.5 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:50:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.228.142.5] From: "Perry Coleman" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:50:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 14:50:51.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A40DB00:01C10F99] Simply put, you're wrong. The feds stepped in a few years back and made it legal to personally transport firearms across state lines as long as the firearm is legal in both the start and end states. The intervening states do not matter, unless you actually take the firearm out. What was happening was someone driving from, say Maryland to New Hampshire, to go hunting, could be (were being) arrested in New Jersey or Massachussetts because they didn't have the appropriate state permits to possess the rifle/shotgun/whatever. Acting in an amazing logical and fair manner, Congress decided that as long as you are allowed to possess the firearm in the start and end states and you transport it in accordance with the rules of those two states (personally, I always carry them unloaded and cased, and in a compartment not easily accessible to the occupant of the car) you cannot be hassled by intervening states. Perry >From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >To: "Rob Keiser" >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:07:47 -0700 > >it lookslike you're talking about MD and VA. Be forewarned it's >illegal to transport handguns across state lines without being a >federal firearm liscense holder. So you might want to stick to the >state you're in. > >What we really need is a southern maryland lister with plenty of >backwoods space behind his home > >Danny > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:51:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEpfH10666 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718145137.22554.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.207] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:51:37 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: lawful Interstate Transportation of Firearms To: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <9fgbltc89pkjjft058nnfn70bnmnmn8n4p@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It is absolutely NOT illegal to transport firearms between MD to VA! http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/926A.html Federal firearms law generally allows transportation of firearms from state to state providing that the ammunition is stored separately from the firearm and the firearm is locked in the trunk or in the case of handguns - a locked container. Some states have additional rules but all (except New York)accomodate the interstate transportation of firearms for purposes of target shooting: Maryland--- Maryland prohibits the unlicensed transportation of handguns in vehicles except for a variety of lawful purposes, including target shooting. Handguns must be transported unloaded and in an enclosed case or holster with a strap. Washington, D.C.--- District of Columbia laws prohibit the transportation of firearms through the city unless the travel is to or from lawful recreational firearm-related activity. Firearms transported for this purpose should be carried in accordance with the general rule. New York is the only state in the Union which prohibits the transportation of handguns without a license. Law-abiding citizens should therefore be particularly careful since they face severe consequences should they inadvertently violate the state's myriad, technical, anti-gun provisions. Of course this all assumes that you may legally obtain, possess, and use a firearm in your state of origin (not a covicted felon,no restraining orders,not undergoing treatment for mental disability, etc.) http://www.recguns.com/IIC2a.html -Corbett '99 K1200RS --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > it lookslike you're talking about MD and VA. Be > forewarned it's > illegal to transport handguns across state lines > without being a > federal firearm liscense holder. So you might want > to stick to the > state you're in. > > What we really need is a southern maryland lister > with plenty of > backwoods space behind his home > > Danny > > ===== -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS AMA Member BMW Motorcycle Owners Association Member __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:53:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (azog.public.hq.nasa.gov [198.116.65.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IErUH10677 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woc-rwintersw2k.annapurna.com ([131.182.119.81]) by azog.public.hq.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04036 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010718104754.00b51d28@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:49:45 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: Off topic In-Reply-To: <20010718140538.80583.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:05 AM 7/18/2001 -0700, u b wrote: >evil dentist Poor guy's so upset, he's repeating himself. :-) /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 10:54:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11005.mail.yahoo.com (web11005.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.55]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IEsXH10687 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718145431.44395.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:54:31 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:54:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: plastic repair person To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was looking in the archieves trying to find a post about a local guy who does a great job on repairing plastic. I have a pannier that is a little tore up though I believe to be fixable. Could someone recommend someone. I am also looking for a spare front brake lever for a Concours. It will fit my Trophy and be cheaper that OEM from Triumph. Trey __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:00:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com [24.7.169.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IF0KH10879 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10955 invoked by uid 48381); 18 Jul 2001 15:00:12 -0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:00:12 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Grevey's WAS Not riding to work/lunch Message-ID: <20010718110012.A10906@bittwiddlers.com> References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> <3B55A042.A0920D0E@home.com> <3B55A246.517DDF13@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B55A246.517DDF13@ix.netcom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i > OK. Who else is going to show up at Grevey's for lunch? Regardless of > whether you actually ride your motorcycle. So far sounds like just the > Horkster. While I did ride the bike today so far I've got too much going on to make it out to any of the meeting places. Things might change and I might drop by for a few minutes. Who knows -- Matthew Harrell Microwaves frizz your heir... Bit Twiddlers, Inc. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navajo, silver From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:00:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IF0ZH10889 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.141]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GGO00LKSCC37B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:00:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp01.wcomnet.com by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GGO00401CC1H0@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:00:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GGO003BCCBN2D@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:59:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:59:37 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Grevey's WAS Not riding to work/lunch To: the_penas@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <3B55A459.C151D584@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> <3B55A042.A0920D0E@home.com> <3B55A246.517DDF13@XXXXXX> Chuck Pena wrote: > > OK. Who else is going to show up at Grevey's for lunch? Regardless of > whether you actually ride your motorcycle. So far sounds like just the > Horkster. Oh yeah, my wife Tracy will be riding in from the 'hood. :) Hork -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:01:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IF1sH10899 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Mspk-0005GY-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:01:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Ricardo Pontes" Cc: "Dccycles" , "Cliff Zigmond" Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:01:14 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IF1uH10900 |>guy who made a left turn into the way of a motorcycle, he thinks more about |>that now that he is riding a motorcycle. Perhaps getting this kid a |>motorcycle and letting him ride around he will understand the need to pay |>more attention to traffic laws. reminds me of some place where they require you to ride before you can drive.. that rocks.. anyone know where it is? i think it's some european area From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:04:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IF4VH10929 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.52.100.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.52.100]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07139; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B55A59C.5D866B6F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:05:00 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wesleyan Hsu CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? References: <000d01c10f96$65ced790$9865fea9@R1100S> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wes, Although this thread more properly belongs on the "other" DCC list, who am I to put an end to a gun thread??? %^) Check out http://www.recguns.com/IIC2a.html for a pretty extensive review of the laws regarding transportation of firearms. Some relevant excerpts: > Federal law does not restrict an individual (except convicted felons, persons under indictment for felonies, mental defectives or > incompetents, illegal users of controlled drugs, illegal aliens, veterans dishonorably discharged, those who have renounced their > U.S. citizenship, and fugitives from justice) from transporting firearms across state lines. Thus, there is no federal interstate > transportation permit for firearms. > Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully > possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearms if the firearm is > unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove > compartment or console. Necessary stops, e.g., gasoline and rest, seem permissible. > In most states, personally-owned firearms may be transported legally if they are unloaded, cased, and locked in the > automobile trunk. As an additional precaution, firearms may be disassembled and separated from ammunition. > > The exceptions to this rule deal mainly with interstate transportation of handguns. The myriad and conflicting legal requirements > for firearm transportation through the states make caution the key for travelers. In other words, the real confusion surrounds transporting HANDGUNS across state lines. And even though there is no Federal prohibition per se against doing so, states and localities can each impose their own restrictions. Bottom line: There is no "one size fits all" rule so make sure you read and understand the rules and regulations of the states/localities you are going through/to. Re your friend in PA: > Pennsylvania requires a permit to carry a handgun in a vehicle. Permits are available to nonresidents and may > be obtained from any county sheriff or chief of police in the major cities. An unloaded, securely wrapped handgun may be > carried without a license when changing residences. Moto content: I don't transport guns while riding my motorcycle. %^) Chuck Wesleyan Hsu wrote: > > Many years ago, a friend of mine told me that you are not allowed to > transport a gun in PA unless you are a resident. So, he instructed me to > go from DE straight to NJ to avoid PA (I was coming from MD). If he knew > PA's laws (without ever living in PA), I would assume his findings > showed that you ARE allowed to carry guns across state lines (at least > in most states). > > I would be very interested in knowing the truth. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:06:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IF6EH11019 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Mstw-0005yP-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:06:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Cliff Zigmond" Cc: Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:05:34 -0700 Message-ID: <9ojblts5pbvl0snjf2panuhgq0iq2g8co3@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IF6GH11020 You should have a bike shop do the estimate. they will be more thorough than some guy who normally looks at cars. The guy who came and looked at my bike seemed incapable. luckily i worked in a shop doing estimates, so I made it pretty easy for him. The funny part is he tried to haggle. It's a 9 grand repair estimate on a 7 grand bike. Dude you can't haggle that much! hehe Danny On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:54:34 -0500, you wrote: |>> At least you can now start searching for another bike right? |>> |>> Ricardo Pontes |>> www.geocities.com/ricardopontes |>> |>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com |>> |>> |> |>I have no idea how they will assess the damage on my bike. I'm pretty sure |>this one is fixable, but then again, I am not a claims adjuster. The |>adjuster will be by on Monday. |> |>In the meantime, the kid's insurance (Gecko) set me up with Enterprise |>Rent-A-Cage. I am now sporting a 2001 4-door Saturn. It's been a long time |>since I have been behind the wheel of a cage.... |> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:12:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFCTH11126 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkyfk05877 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:12:27 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkyfk22688 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:10:00 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010718110012.A10906@bittwiddlers.com> References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> <3B55A042.A0920D0E@home.com> <3B55A246.517DDF13@XXXXXX> <20010718110012.A10906@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:09:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Grevey's WAS Not riding to work/lunch Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Well, I'll be at Emilio's in Sterling, on the bike. Anyone that does not show up is a wimp, regardless of reason. :) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:14:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFEkH11149 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Mt2B-0007LS-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:14:44 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Perry Coleman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:14:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1ekbltkje2k9femevcqgjpcahe165ggnm1@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IFEnH11150 Woah. That is awesome! I'm glad I spoke up to try to be helpful, becuase it ended up in my own education! when did this happen? I love it! Danny On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:49:36 -0400, you wrote: |>Danny, |> |>Simply put, you're wrong. The feds stepped in a few years back and made it |>legal to personally transport firearms across state lines as long as the |>firearm is legal in both the start and end states. The intervening states do |>not matter, unless you actually take the firearm out. |> |>What was happening was someone driving from, say Maryland to New Hampshire, |>to go hunting, could be (were being) arrested in New Jersey or |>Massachussetts because they didn't have the appropriate state permits to |>possess the rifle/shotgun/whatever. Acting in an amazing logical and fair |>manner, Congress decided that as long as you are allowed to possess the |>firearm in the start and end states and you transport it in accordance with |>the rules of those two states (personally, I always carry them unloaded and |>cased, and in a compartment not easily accessible to the occupant of the |>car) you cannot be hassled by intervening states. |> |>Perry |> |>>From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX |>>To: "Rob Keiser" |>>CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX |>>Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? |>>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:07:47 -0700 |>> |>>it lookslike you're talking about MD and VA. Be forewarned it's |>>illegal to transport handguns across state lines without being a |>>federal firearm liscense holder. So you might want to stick to the |>>state you're in. |>> |>>What we really need is a southern maryland lister with plenty of |>>backwoods space behind his home |>> |>>Danny |>> |>> |> |>_________________________________________________________________ |>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com |> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:16:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFGEH11238 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:04:33 -0700 Received: from 166.32.192.143 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:04:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Rob Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ride to work/lunch in sterling Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:04:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 15:04:33.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3FF4E60:01C10F9A] I won't be at Emilio's either. The 40 miles in the rain and ugly radar pic were enough for me to cage it today. Also, sorry I missed Bike Night. Bethesda, for sure! Rob '98 VFR800 ----Original Message Follows---- From: Will Mitchell CC: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: ride to work/lunch in sterling Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Looks like I gotta bail on lunch in Sterling. I'll catch you guys next time. Will Mitchell 99 VFR On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Greg Thompson wrote: >well, i rode today. didn't see anyone else on two wheels out on the road, >though. i'm still planning on heading to emilio's, but i have a meeting >this morning so i'll be a little late. on top of that, i have a hell day, >so i won't actually be eating lunch there, but i'll drop by and say hi to >anyone else who makes it. i'll be the guy on the cb-1. >-- > -greg > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:16:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFGfH11249 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MrY0-0007CL-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:39:28 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Meredith, Steve (Contr)" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'vfr@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Insurance Problems Update Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: <8pebltortsvb66auqv87coligicc9tmbjf@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IFGgH11250 Cool. I didn't know they reimburse you for tax and title fees too... The insurance of the car that cut me off/hit me, should be calling me soon to discuss the settlement. She called yesterday to tellme it was totalled and said she had to research how much the value of the bike was worth before the accident, to cut me a check. I told her i was interested in buying it back. She said they had a bid of $250. so maybe i can get it that cheap. that would rock. it's a 00 zx6r. danny |>for my totaled '95 VFR (average retail + tax & title less deductible). |>Taking the money and buying a '97 VFR (11k miles) I found in NC for $4,750. |>The owner says the bike is in prime condition. Good deal I think since I |>get a newer bike with 20k less miles for just a couple of bills out of my |>own pocket. And Progressive will continue coverage on my new acquisition. |>All's well that ends well. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:17:21 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFHKH11259 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Mt4g-0007m5-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:17:18 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Mark Kitchell Cc: Rob Keiser , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, dccycles2@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:16:40 -0700 Message-ID: References: <9fgbltc89pkjjft058nnfn70bnmnmn8n4p@4ax.com> <20010718141632.57933.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010718141632.57933.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IFHMH11260 On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:16:32 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>Wohaaaaa.....that is sooooo untrue. Where did you get |>that one? That used to be the law. I stand corrected that it has changed. And i'm glad that it has. This is going to make road trips a whole lot more fun! :) Danny From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:18:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFItH11269 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr2.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkyfl20236 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:18:53 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkyfl03149 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:17:49 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010718145431.44395.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010718145431.44395.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:17:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: plastic repair person Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I was looking in the archieves trying to find a post >about a local guy who does a great job on repairing >plastic. This guy isn't local, but you might try Mark Van Hoff, aka The Plastic Dr. (http://WWW.THEPLASTICDR.HOMESTEAD.COM/) He's well known in the racing community as being able to fix just about anything made from plastic, carbon fiber, or fiberglass. I've seen his work and it is fantastic. His usual price is $50 for each piece of bodywork, but I'm not sure what he'd charge for panniers. -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:19:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFJ1H11272 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.52.100.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.52.100]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28089; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B55A911.17AA941A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:45 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Trey Herb CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: plastic repair person References: <20010718145431.44395.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Trey, I don't know about a pannier, but Noah at Better Off Bodyworks does a great job on repairing (and painting) plastic bodywork. He's down in Dumfries/Triangle and his number is (703) 441-1625. Chuck Trey Herb wrote: > > I was looking in the archieves trying to find a post > about a local guy who does a great job on repairing > plastic. I have a pannier that is a little tore up > though I believe to be fixable. Could someone > recommend someone. I am also looking for a spare front > brake lever for a Concours. It will fit my Trophy and > be cheaper that OEM from Triumph. > > Trey > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:19:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFJvH11289 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Mt7C-0000P2-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Matthew Rosenstock Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: anyone ever patched an engine? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:16 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20010718142202.44670.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20010718142202.44670.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IFJxH11290 Tell me more. I know gas tank repair gunk only costs like $5 at the local bike shop... So I figure that should work just as well! You figure gas tanks are pretty important... so... yada yada yada unless i get enlightened, that is my plan A. Dnny On Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:02 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>I used to sell Epoxy PC7 that was pretty bad ass |>stuff. I never heard of anyone using it on a motor |>though. It certainly didn't cost $97. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:36:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFa0H11666 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A040-0574.MLE2.splitrock.net [64.198.132.66]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6IFZtQ217238; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:35:56 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" , "Mark Kitchell" Subject: RE: Local Firing Ranges? Gun Law Reference Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:36:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010718141632.57933.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Ditto- In addition you need to make sure the gun is in pieces and in the trunk and to be safe, you should keep the ammo as far away as possible. These are excerpts taken from the NRA site: http://206.183.2.55/GunLaws.asp FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS A provision of federal law serves as a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel. Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other then the glove compartment or console. Necessary stops, e.g., gasoline and rest, seem permissible. MARYLAND -- The unlicensed transportation of handguns in vehicles is prohibited, except for a variety of lawful purposes, including target shooting. A handgun must be transported unloaded and in an enclosed case or holster with a strap. WASHINGTON, D. C. -- Transportation of firearms through the city is not permitted unless the travel is to or from lawful recreational firearm-related activity. Firearms transported for this purpose should be carried in accordance with the general rule. Also: here is the NRA's list of ranges -lists a bunch in VA http://www.nrahq.org/shooting/shootingrange/findlocal.asp Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 10:17 AM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; Rob Keiser > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; dccycles2@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? > > > Wohaaaaa.....that is sooooo untrue. Where did you get > that one? > > You can even transport a handgun through DC (where > they are illegal) if you can prove you are travelling > through to another state. > > YMMV... > > > forewarned it's > > illegal to transport handguns across state lines > > without being a > > federal firearm liscense holder. So you might want > > to stick to the > > state you're in. > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:36:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFavH11676 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-40-154.s154.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.40.154]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15MtNe-0003ZQ-00 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:36:55 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Cliff Zigmond" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:36:17 -0700 Message-ID: <28lblt4r3ihnu31u77bdkmvech7p1v4csf@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6IFaxH11677 Alright.. don't be suprised or dismayed if the bike is totalled. that's mainly for scratches here and there, but you are due to have fixed. They will cut you a check for the value of the bike, just tell them you want to buy back the salvage 'for parts'. They'll sell you the bike REALLY cheap. So basicly they buy the bike from you and let you keep it. that really rocks. I love how that works. :) Then you can just get the major things fixed and not worry about those minor scuffs on the bottom of the bike that no one would see anyway. here's my scenario: lady cuts in my lane, slamming on brakes trying to turn from the middle lane. I slam on front brakes, (and i'm a guy who does endos mind you, even starting rolling endos), anyway even on my brakes, her blocking off my lane, i hit the side of her car. the bike is technichally totalled. A small scratch probably on every part :) what is broken and needed to be replaced for ridablity is: front upper fairing, both side fairings, one handlebar (bent) and a footpeg bracket and shiftrod. the bike has a blue book value of 7 grand. To fix the broken stuff will only cost me less than 1 grand (or half of that) and i'll easily put the parts on myself. Asking about the buyback yesterday she said "you want to buy it back right? well we've already had a bid of $250". I'm thinking to myself, if i only gotta bid higher than $250 I'm going to be a happy happy camper buying my bike back! Danny 00 zx6r (slightly damaged) 95 zx6r back up bike 96 gsxr 750 project bike From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:38:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f63.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFc0H11696 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:26:44 -0700 Received: from 208.58.146.178 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:26:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.58.146.178] From: "Cliff Zigmond" To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: My turn... (long) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:26:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 15:26:44.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D725290:01C10F9E] Actually, the Geico guy had no idea how to estimate the damage. I've now got Sebastian from Cycle Pro writing it up. I should have my estimate today. Cliff >From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX >To: "Cliff Zigmond" >CC: >Subject: Re: My turn... (long) >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:05:34 -0700 > >You should have a bike shop do the estimate. they will be more >thorough than some guy who normally looks at cars. The guy who came >and looked at my bike seemed incapable. luckily i worked in a shop >doing estimates, so I made it pretty easy for him. > >The funny part is he tried to haggle. It's a 9 grand repair estimate >on a 7 grand bike. Dude you can't haggle that much! hehe > >Danny > > >On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 18:54:34 -0500, you wrote: > >|>> At least you can now start searching for another bike right? >|>> >|>> Ricardo Pontes >|>> www.geocities.com/ricardopontes >|>> >|>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >|>> >|>> >|> >|>I have no idea how they will assess the damage on my bike. I'm pretty >sure >|>this one is fixable, but then again, I am not a claims adjuster. The >|>adjuster will be by on Monday. >|> >|>In the meantime, the kid's insurance (Gecko) set me up with Enterprise >|>Rent-A-Cage. I am now sporting a 2001 4-door Saturn. It's been a long >time >|>since I have been behind the wheel of a cage.... >|> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:46:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IFkTH11897 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.52.100.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.52.100]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04492; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B55AF80.20A8934@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:47:12 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-CYCLES CC: rmcurtis@XXXXXX, Mark Kitchell Subject: Re: Local Firing Ranges? Gun Law Reference References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For gun newbie types such as The Horkster or those who aren't "serious" shooters or don't bother to educate themselves about this sort of stuff, it's important to understand that the terms "firearm" and "handgun" are not necessarily interchangeable when you read stuff about what's legal and what's not. Absolutely, positively do NOT assume that just because you read somewhere that's it's legal to do such-and-such with a "firearm" that that is directly applicable to a "handgun". Further, the rec.guns citation and the NRA are good "secondary sources", but the bottom line with regard to all the stuff we've been discussing (yes, blatantly off topic) are the actual laws themselves. When it doubt, read the applicable law. If confused, consult legal counsel. Just my 2 cents FWIW from someone who has a fair amount of shooting experience and has transported various firearms from one part of the country to another (but not a legal expert on the issue) ... but not on my motorcycle (moto content)! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 11:47:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6IFlLH11907 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for dsl027-137-007.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.137.7]) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 15:47:21 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:47:09 -0400 Received: from mclhub.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.10]) by mcl-its-ieg01 (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 73) with SMTP id M2001071811460720462 ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:46:07 -0700 Received: from [10.58.96.80] by mclmx.mail.saic.com with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:47:07 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010718113810.00a63720@k-kdom.nishanet.com> X-Sender: brownlee_b@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:49:43 -0400 To: VRTP-Test@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bruce Brownlee Subject: Poker run for Tom Bernal - 22 Jul 01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just talked to patriot HD and figured I would pass on following info. Would be nice to get a big turnout for this. Capt Bernal was active in Patriots HOG chapter as well as an MSF Instructor in NoVa. The ride starts from Patriot HD in Fairfax (just west of the Fairfax Circle on Rt 29/50) between 9 and 10 am. Its a 140 mile route that will take you around Haymarket, Sperryville, Culpepper, Warrenton and conclude back at Patriot. There will be awards for first and second place hands. All proceeds will go to 'COPS', the Bernal designated charity. (of course, I would remind anyone that might win to remember the charity. after all, winning is bragging rights enough, right? its not about winning the money) For more info, you can contact Steve Lucas at smlucas@XXXXXX. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 12:18:23 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IGIMH12487 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-121-84.s592.tnt11.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.121.84] helo=palladio) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15Mu1i-0002y1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:18:19 -0400 Message-ID: <010201c10fa5$ee8fb360$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: CLASS @ VIR (long) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 12:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I attended Reg Pridmore's CLASS Motorcycle School at Virginia International Raceway near Danville, VA on Monday and recommend it very highly. For the most part the classroom sessions were good, although the quality did wane toward the end of the day while Reg was doing his two-up rides. I didn't partake in the two-up rides, but I was passed, as if I were standing still, by Reg riding two-up on his VFR800. Reg himself is very personable and he is clearly an enthusiast in the best sense of the word. He personally greeted everyone in line to register. "First time, Paul?" he asked in his lilting accent. How'd he know that? I guess the brand new leathers and nervous demeanor were the tip-off. :) He stressed throughout the day how what he teaches applies to street riding. He does place great emphasis on "body steering" as opposed to countersteering via inputs to the grips. While this technique obviously works for him, he's not dogmatic about it. He says "give it a try and see if it works for you." That is his approach to the entire day: expose you to techniques of throttle control, braking, lines through corners and steering that may be new to you and give you a chance to practice and get comfortable. As a newbie to track riding (for that reason I elected to ride with the "B" Group) I found following behind the instructors to be most beneficial at first, in particular observing their lines and their smoothness and control. One instructor gave me the "follow me" sign to improve my lines. After a while I was able to get my speeds up in some of the corners that were giving me problems earlier. Having a "plan" in advance and sticking to it works wonders with respect to entry speed, line, lean angle and where to get on the gas. If you're thinking about it mid-corner it's way too late. Things happen really fast at speed. It's a good mental habit to use on the street too. In general the coaching is pretty minimal unless an instructor pulls you off the track to work on a specific problem. I was never pulled out. Otherwise, if you need feedback, you really need to ask for it. I'll have to say that I never rode more than 8/10ths out on the track and didn't wick up the speed too much on the straights. I preferred to concentrate my mental energy on the corners and used the straights as recovery time. I did rev the snot out of the bike just about the entire time and the VFR handled all that without complaint. I also used all my tire surfaces and figured out just how far the VFR can lean before the peg feelers hit pavement. One of Reg's mantras is "trust your tires" and it's absolutely true. And, wow, do those D205s get gooey and feathered on the track. Other than a "chirp" due to a hamfisted downshift, the Dunlops stuck like glue all day. Being on the track allowed me to address some bad habits I've gotten into on the VFR. One of them is my tendency to lean the bike more than my body. Compared to my old Nighthawk the VFR is much more flickable and I've gotten lazy and I've been using a lot less body lean and shifting of body weight on the seat. You can't get away with that on the track since you run out of ground clearance in a hurry at speed on many of those turns unless you shift your body weight well to the inside. The second is to trust the bike and the tires to perform for you when asked. At first I found myself puckering on the sharp right hander that drops off downhill where you can't see the exit. After convincing myself to get on gas, instead of slowing down, and leaning the bike I was able to conquer my fear of that turn. The third is that smoothness is paramount. Clumsy handling of the controls upsets the bike and presents a major distraction. One thing the class really helped me with was in the seamless brake, downshift, accelerate transition just before a turn. Overall, a great day and some valuable lessons learned. Highly recommended. There were a couple of run offs during the day and I gather that one rider went down on the very last "A Group" track session. VIR is a superb track (we were on the North course) with immaculate pavement and lots of elevation change. Other than a couple of "moments of concern," as one instructor put it, I never really came close to a mishap. I also had two very enjoyable days of riding to and from the track. Southside and Central Virginia has loads of smooth, twisty and traffic-free roads. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 13:44:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dgesmtp02.wcom.com (dgesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.16.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IHi9H14071 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42261) with ESMTP id <0GGO00IL6JXAUF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:43:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GGO00A01JX395@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:43:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GGO006K3JX1KZ@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:43:49 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:43:39 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Grevey's WAS Not riding to work/lunch To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B55CACB.A2CE79B5@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> <3B55A042.A0920D0E@home.com> <3B55A246.517DDF13@XXXXXX> <20010718110012.A10906@XXXXXX> Sean Jordan wrote: > > Well, I'll be at Emilio's in Sterling, on the bike. > > Anyone that does not show up is a wimp, regardless of reason. Sorry, couldn't make it. I was at Grevey's. Signed, A Wimp :) -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 13:50:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IHo6H14261 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQkyfv25037 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:50:04 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkyfv20663 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:48:43 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <010201c10fa5$ee8fb360$bb82fea9@palladio> References: <010201c10fa5$ee8fb360$bb82fea9@palladio> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:48:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: CLASS @ VIR (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I attended Reg Pridmore's CLASS Motorcycle School at Virginia International >Raceway near Danville, VA on Monday and recommend it very highly. > Thanks for the excellent write-up! So, does this mean we're going to start seeing you at a local racetrack sometime soon? -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 14:11:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from gecko.troutman.org ([63.218.228.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IIBfH14587 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture.wheatintl.com (vulture.wheatintl.com [209.249.185.69]) by gecko.troutman.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6IIBPq29995 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:11:26 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718140416.027e2ec0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:07:12 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Poker run for Tom Bernal - 22 Jul 01 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010718113810.00a63720@k-kdom.nishanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:49 AM 7/18/01, Bruce Brownlee wrote: >Just talked to patriot HD and figured I would pass on following info. >Would be nice to get a big turnout for this. Capt Bernal was active >in Patriots HOG chapter as well as an MSF Instructor in NoVa. > >The ride starts from Patriot HD in Fairfax (just west of the Fairfax >Circle on Rt 29/50) between 9 and 10 am. Its a 140 mile route >that will take you around Haymarket, Sperryville, Culpepper, >Warrenton and conclude back at Patriot. There will be awards >for first and second place hands. All proceeds will go to 'COPS', >the Bernal designated charity. (of course, I would remind anyone >that might win to remember the charity. after all, winning is bragging >rights enough, right? its not about winning the money) > >For more info, you can contact Steve Lucas at smlucas@XXXXXX. First and last poker run for me was out of Leesburg a few years ago. What a drag. Hundreds of RUBs moving at 10 under the speedlimit, dragging chrome around sweepers and stopping every 15 minutes for a poker hand, doughnut, and to walk off the pain of riding for 15 minutes. I know this is a charity run, and wish you luck in raising funds, but if others are like the Leesburg run .... ugh ..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 14:42:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IIg3H15220 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.37]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GGO00B0LMJY64@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:40:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp02.wcomnet.com by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with SMTP id <0GGO00301MJR8V@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:40:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp02.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42259) with ESMTP id <0GGO0019XMJPQE@XXXXXX>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:40:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Grevey's WAS Not riding to work/lunch To: the_penas@XXXXXX, DC Cycles List Message-id: <3B55D81B.15075F18@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> <3B55A042.A0920D0E@home.com> <3B55A246.517DDF13@XXXXXX> <20010718110012.A10906@XXXXXX> <3B55CACB.A2CE79B5@XXXXXX> <3B55CC5A.3D1B92F2@XXXXXX> Chuck Pena wrote: > > Dale, > > You probably figured out that I didn't make it to Grevey's. Between the > weather and work, I just decided to bail. Anyone else show up??? We had 6 riders show up, not bad considering the light rain: Myself, '98 Concours My wife Tracy, '99 Concours Chris ?, list lurker, '98 VTR with a lot of miles Carl ?, found out about it from the website, riding a nice new Fatboy Roy Collins, LDrider & fellow Chatty Moron, on a Goldwing with more miles total than all the other bikes combined... :) Roy's office-mate Steve ?, on a new Falco . We all sat outside, let our stuff drip-dry on another table. Worked out well. The ride back to the office was nice and dry. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 15:43:36 2001 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IJhZH16346 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from boo.net ([137.187.221.202]) by helix.nih.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6IJhTG11523838; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B55E69D.E9ACB3C3@boo.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:42:21 -0400 From: Jay Goddard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" , "'Mid-Atlantic Ducati Club'" Subject: Nesba July 21st and 22nd at Summit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody going up to play? I'll be doing Saturday and Sunday. Lisa will be riding Sunday. Jay From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 16:11:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IKBhH16841 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQkyge07668 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:11:41 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkyge13786 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 20:08:42 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:08:32 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: An important note on email etiquette. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0105/netiquette/ -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 17:21:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ILL3H18196 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id 2.9b.180188d8 (4465) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9b.180188d8.288757b8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:20:56 EDT Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/18/2001 10:47:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: > Then can be a test subject of a new > gasoline additive called sugar. :) The problem is these assholes usually have good insurance. If you destroy their car they just get a new one. If you break their knees they just get on disability for the rest of their lives and never have to work again. Revenge is really tough to do right. Not that I have ever given it much thought. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 18:44:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp4vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.25]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6IMi0H19607 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp4ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA56115248 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:43:51 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010718184122.00ab29b0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:44:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Grevey's WAS Not riding to work/lunch In-Reply-To: <3B55D81B.15075F18@home.com> References: <3B558B83.99717119@ix.netcom.com> <3B55A042.A0920D0E@XXXXXX> <3B55A246.517DDF13@XXXXXX> <20010718110012.A10906@XXXXXX> <3B55CACB.A2CE79B5@XXXXXX> <3B55CC5A.3D1B92F2@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:40 PM 7/18/01, the Horkster wrote: >We had 6 riders show up, not bad considering the light rain: > >Chris ?, list lurker, '98 VTR with a lot of miles ? = Leithiser, my co-worker at PTO. He was also at the last Grevey's Bike Night with me and another friend from work. He was the only one who didn't wimp out because of the rain (also the only one who owns a 'stitch!) -- Larry '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco '84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike) '01 Suzuki GS500 (dependable small emergency backup bike to the small emergency backup bike) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 18 22:42:39 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6J2gcH23511 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA44613030 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:42:30 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010718224049.00ab2ab0@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:42:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: Cage nearly kills me, then tries to hit me! (long) In-Reply-To: <9b.180188d8.288757b8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:20 PM 7/18/01, Long John wrote: >Revenge is really tough to do right. ...and it's tough to get away with if you discuss it with anyone, particularly in a public forum. 8;) >Not that I have ever given it much thought. Nor I... -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 08:57:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f43.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.43]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6JCvVH03990 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:46:09 -0700 Received: from 151.200.109.76 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:46:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.200.109.76] From: "Todd Peer" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride to Work? Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:46:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 12:46:09.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8E14880:01C11050] Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:13:39 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Not riding to work/lunch I admit that I am a wimp. But I don't intentionally ride my m/c in wet weather. Nor do I leave it parked outside when it's raining (at least not on purpose). So I didn't ride to work this morning. Which also means I won't be riding to lunch (at Grevey's). But if folks are still gonna show up at Grevey's at lunchtime, I'll gladly drive my Trooper over! %^) Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas ----------------------------------------------------------- I counted exactly Z-Row motorcycles on my way to work yesterday. But I did count two on my way home. That's 25miles one-way. I didn't get wet one bit! Todd (Springfield, VA) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 09:08:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6JD82H04175 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:05:27 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:54:14 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: Rear tire for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6JD88H04176 Dunlop D207 ZR 180/55 17 Bought new in April, used for about 400 street miles and 1 track day. In Bethesda. $ 35.00 George Cole 301-523-4161 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 09:26:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6JDQuH04478 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-116-115.s115.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.116.115] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.30 #2) id 15NDpM-0003RG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:26:53 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c11057$26b0ba80$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" References: Subject: Re: Ride to Work? Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:20:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I rode to work yesterday as usual, but missed out on lunch. I saw a couple of the "regulars" on the GW Pkwy. but that was about it. Too busy at the office to take a long lunch, so I missed going to Grevey's; the rain was not a deterrent. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Peer > From: Chuck Pena > > I admit that I am a wimp. But I don't intentionally ride my m/c in wet > weather. > > Chuck > > I counted exactly Z-Row motorcycles on my way to work yesterday. But I did > count two on my way home. > > That's 25miles one-way. I didn't get wet one bit! > > Todd (Springfield, VA) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 10:43:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h008.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6JEhqH05861 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 12617 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 07:43:41 -0700 Received: from nat-10-152.nextel.com (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (168.73.245.57) by smtp.lemrow.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 19 Jul 2001 07:43:41 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Jul 2001 14:43:41 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719103736.01fabc00@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:43:23 -0400 To: SKeener2@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: inspection sticker plates? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >I've seen lots of them on bike forks. Personally...I have yet to get my >bikes inspected. It's only a cursory inspection at best....and I tend to be >afr more meticulous with my bike than a mechanic in a local shop will ever >be. Besides...since the positioning isn't mandated...cops don't generally >pull you over for it. Then again...I've only be in VA for 8 years. :-) Actually, the position is mandated. Front left fork. (in VA at least). The sticker "plates" are technically illegal. that being said, I have one on my bike but i practically had to get down and beg them to put it there. apparently it's in the code book that if they don't put it there the inspection place is liable. On another note, when i got pulled over by a VA trooper on the toll road ('nother story) He went to the front wheel to look for it and was obviously going to say something. so i pointed out where it was... and he said "ok." Put another way, he [seem] to care more that i had it then where it was... but he probably would have ticketed me without it. arg. Justin 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 12:17:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6JGHEH07567 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3YV2K1R7>; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:19:07 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F016132EB@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'hcaldwell@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'DCCycles'" Subject: Nolan helmets? Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:20:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Hugh hinted, "Does anyone know if and local dealers carry Nolan helmets? I'm particularly interested in the N-100." Yesterday, Cycle Acc. Discounters in Gaithersburg had 'em at (or near) www.Helmetshop.com prices. Carl in Bethesda (Back in the saddle again after three weeks off) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 13:46:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6JHkNH09162 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.85.192.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.85.192]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12394 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B571D1B.75CAFE81@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:47:07 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Emergency info tag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was featured in "Gear Box" in the September 2001 issue of "Motorcyclist" magazine. An emergency info tag (laminated, 2-1/2" x 4") you can place in a pocket or attach to a zipper. Pretty nifty idea. And it's FREE! Just go to http://www.CycleGadgets.com/Products/InfoTag/index.htm and fill out the online form. Chuck -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 16:56:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6JKupH12457 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:54:29 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:54:13 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: Subject: New 2001 929 for $ 6895 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6JKvRH12458 How long a drive is it to Chicago? http://www.chicagocycle.com/SpecialDetail.asp?Special=2984&sid=942671730X7K1 George 00 VFR...or ? 01 929 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 17:45:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6JLjdH13461 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.47]) id QQkykd15198 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:45:33 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr3.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkykc15966 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:44:40 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:44:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: New 2001 929 for $ 6895 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >How long a drive is it to Chicago? > >http://www.chicagocycle.com/SpecialDetail.asp?Special=2984&sid=942671730X7K1 11-12 hours from Dulles. On the way home, on a 929, 3-5 hours. :P -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 19 20:30:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6K0UbH16490 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.10.42.60]) by cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:30:12 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: New 2001 929 for $ 6895 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:37:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2001 00:30:13.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[2456C020:01C110B3] What is the difference between a 900rr and a 929rr? I know that the 929rr are fuel injected but are there any modifications to the engine? Im considering one of these but im worried about getting a bike that is brand new to a line up that has not been time tested for reliability. The 900rr has been around for a while and that is the main reason for wanting one. Shanandoah Cycles has a few 929rr for sale that they are letting for for around 8000$. Ricardo Pontes www.geocities.com/ricardopontes -----Original Message----- From: George Cole [mailto:George.Cole@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:54 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: New 2001 929 for $ 6895 How long a drive is it to Chicago? http://www.chicagocycle.com/SpecialDetail.asp?Special=2984&sid=942671730X7K1 George 00 VFR...or ? 01 929 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 07:56:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from naems1.aspect.com ([169.136.254.101]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KBueH28335 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by naems1.aspect.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3VK3M954>; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:37:34 -0700 Message-ID: <4BD8DCC2D166D11188950080D870050801685957@naems5.aspect.com> From: "Terry, David" To: "'Jay Goddard'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Mid-Atlantic Ducati Club'" Subject: RE: Nesba July 21st and 22nd at Summit Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 04:50:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" I will be there Saturday. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Goddard [mailto:redbelly@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:42 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Mid-Atlantic Ducati Club' Subject: Nesba July 21st and 22nd at Summit Anybody going up to play? I'll be doing Saturday and Sunday. Lisa will be riding Sunday. Jay From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 07:58:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from atlantic.va.grci.com (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [199.89.132.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KBwiH28411 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kkightlylt (swl247.va.grci.com [199.89.133.247]) by atlantic.va.grci.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f6KBwVF13805 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:58:31 -0400 From: "kkightly" To: Subject: Always amazed! Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c11113$0db374c0$f78559c7@va.grci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200107192301.f6JN1Mk14790@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I am always amazed at the sage advice I see on our pages!! Anyone in need of a stock, virgin Concours seat is welcome to it for the price of a good six pack. I am also interested in leathers for a slightly balding short 5'9" guy with 38' waist. Any used riding boots for a size 9 as well. I will be renting a motorcycle for some EARLY winter riding in Scotland in September. I am hoping to not get caught in any snow storms. Thanks K2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 09:11:06 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dcex7.wilmer.com (dcex7.wilmer.com [208.197.234.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6KDB4H29575 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.1.106 by dcex7.wilmer.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:10:50 -0400 Received: by DCEX9.wilmer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:10:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lake, Susan" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: FYI Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:10:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1111D.64E9EB20" ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1111D.64E9EB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For anyone who may have parked at New Hampshire and M this morning before the DC Public Works started their "work," they are letting a lot of water into the street and doing some manhole work. Let's pray that we don't encounter an exploding manhole and that they don't drown our cycles! Sue ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1111D.64E9EB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
For anyone who may have parked at New Hampshire and M this morning before the DC Public Works started their "work,"  they are letting a lot of water into the street and doing some manhole work.  Let's pray that we don't encounter an exploding manhole and that they don't drown our cycles!
 
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1111D.64E9EB20-- --------------InterScan_NT_MIME_Boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 09:30:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KDUNH29998 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.49.129.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.49.129]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26978; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B58329A.DAF194CD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:31:06 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ricardo Pontes CC: Dccycles Subject: Re: New 2001 929 for $ 6895 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ricardo, There are a lot of differences between the CBR929 and CBR900 (too many to list/talk about here). But for starters, engine displacement. And the CBR929 has a conventional 17" front wheel while the CBR900 uses a 16" wheel. Essentially, the CBR929 is a completely different bike, not just a CBR900 with a few tweaks and mods here and there. Suggest you find some back issues of various m/c mags (both US and UK) to read about all the changes/differences. On the web, you might want to look at: http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/00open/00open.html http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mchonda/98rrintro.html http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/ultimate98.html If it's reliability you'e worried about, I wouldn't be at all concerned about purchasing a CBR929. It's a Honda. 'Nuff said. Zbig was kind enough at a Bike Night last year to let me take his CBR929 out for a spin. I certainly didn't flog the thing, but I can tell you it's a sweet handling bike and not at all intimidating for a big-bore open sportbike. If it's value you're looking for, a used (or leftover) CBR900 certainly makes sense. One of the US mags (SportBike?) had an article (last year?) about buying used "superbikes" and the CBR900RR was one of the ones they talked about. I think they recommended the '98-'99 model years. Chuck Ricardo Pontes wrote: > > What is the difference between a 900rr and a 929rr? I know that the 929rr > are fuel injected but are there any modifications to the engine? Im > considering one of these but im worried about getting a bike that is brand > new to a line up that has not been time tested for reliability. The 900rr > has been around for a while and that is the main reason for wanting one. > Shanandoah Cycles has a few 929rr for sale that they are letting for for > around 8000$. -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 10:06:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KE67H00732 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Whetu@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id o.a9.1870063f (15889); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id08.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID84-0720100546; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:05:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:05:46 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FYI - NH & M St's To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: I was a little more concerned about the new stickers on all the parking meters stating "4 hour short-term parking only! Meter feeding will not increase your allowable time." Does this mean we all have to go out and play musical-bikes at noon? Will they still ticket us if we just relocate to another spot in that bank of meters? I guess this is what we get for trying to decrease traffic congestion, pollution & road wear. Maybe I'll just buy an SUV, get 12mpg, and pay $150 a month for parking. -Euan '90 Kawasaki EX500 whetu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 10:13:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dcex7.wilmer.com (dcex7.wilmer.com [208.197.234.46]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6KEDIH00843 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 172.17.1.106 by dcex7.wilmer.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:12:59 -0400 Received: by DCEX9.wilmer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lake, Susan" To: "'Whetu@XXXXXX'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FYI - NH & M St's Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:12:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" See you at 1 pm when we all refill the meters. Is there that many cycles out there that we need to vacate the spots? There is always one or two open when I walk by. -----Original Message----- From: Whetu@XXXXXX [mailto:Whetu@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:06 AM To: SLake@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FYI - NH & M St's I was a little more concerned about the new stickers on all the parking meters stating "4 hour short-term parking only! Meter feeding will not increase your allowable time." Does this mean we all have to go out and play musical-bikes at noon? Will they still ticket us if we just relocate to another spot in that bank of meters? I guess this is what we get for trying to decrease traffic congestion, pollution & road wear. Maybe I'll just buy an SUV, get 12mpg, and pay $150 a month for parking. -Euan '90 Kawasaki EX500 whetu@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 10:14:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KEEoH00865 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08825 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:09:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: A trip report Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 3 non dc-cyclers and I took a trip to the Parry Sound sportbike rally and then toured some of eastern Canada. If you would like to read the trip report it can be found at my website http://www.twowheelsgood.net under the Parry Sound - Prince Edward Island link. My page is hosted on an ISDN line so it may be slow to load. Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 10:22:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KELwH01024 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08854 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:19:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:19:41 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Looking for a used BMW. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are there any shops in the area that have a decent selection of used BMWs? I'm looking for something from the 70s to mid 80s. Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 10:24:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from relay02.equinox.net ([204.68.168.13]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6KEOFH01062 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21466 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 14:22:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.136.67.72?) (216.168.226.195) by relay02.equinox.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 14:22:48 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: johnw@XXXXXX Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:22:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: John West Subject: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Fabio Taglioni, inventor of the Desmodromic engine, died last night. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010719/nyth108.html -john From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 10:52:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com (bcopgate.bcop.com [204.99.250.45]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6KEqkH01610 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BCGATE-DOM-Message_Server by bc-gwgate1.int.bcop.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:50:21 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:48:44 -0500 From: "George Cole" To: , Subject: Re: Looking for a used BMW. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id f6KEqqH01611 Check with Bob's BMW in Elkridge MD. http://www.bobsbmw.com/ They have a museum of sorts in their showroom. They may be able to you find something. George Cole 00 VFR >>> hcaldwell 07/20/01 10:19AM >>> Are there any shops in the area that have a decent selection of used BMWs? I'm looking for something from the 70s to mid 80s. Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 11:09:55 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KF9sH01892 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:09:11 -0400 Message-Id: <200107201109.AA75956324@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: John West >Fabio Taglioni, inventor of the Desmodromic engine, died last night. > >http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010719/nyth108.html Ouch. And I just read that the last founding Ducati brother died at age 96. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 11:15:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KFFhH02042 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:15:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200107201115.AA77922404@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Re: Looking for a used BMW. X-Mailer: Actually, it's http://www.bmwbobs.com/ Other dealers more-or-less in the area are: Hammersley http://www.webparts.com/cycles/index.htm Morton's http://www.mortonsbmw.com/ Battley's http://www.battley.com/ In addition, the lists and ads at www.ibmwr.org are very helpful. happy hunting, Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "George Cole" Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:48:44 -0500 >Check with Bob's BMW in Elkridge MD. http://www.bobsbmw.com/ > >They have a museum of sorts in their showroom. They may be able to you find something. > >George Cole >00 VFR > >>>> hcaldwell 07/20/01 10:19AM >>> > > Are there any shops in the area that >have a decent selection of used BMWs? I'm >looking for something from the 70s to mid 80s. > >Thanks, >Hugh > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 11:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KFKdH02161 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3YV2KNX0>; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:20:28 -0400 Message-ID: <776B2ABC9364D411867B009027B69A2F016132FC@DCHQCLEXHQ> From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCycles'" Cc: "'George.Cole@XXXXXX'" Subject: New 2001 929 for $ 6895 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:21:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain George Cole questioned, "How long a drive is it to Chicago?" The short way, through Pittsville and Cleveburgh is ~ 700 mi and seems the longest. Via Parkersburg, W(BG)V and Indianapolis is ~750 mi & is way more funner. If you've not sampled SE Ohio roads, you've missed a treat. 555, 550, 78, and 26-260 twixt New Matamoras & Marietta. If you decide to return, chill out with WV 7 through Morgantown then drop to US 50 or work/play your way over to Cumberland and 51-9. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 11:51:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14605.mail.yahoo.com (web14605.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6KFpUH02784 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010720155124.54390.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14605.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:51:24 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:51:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: FYI - NH & M St's To: Whetu@XXXXXX, SLake@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Whetu@XXXXXX wrote: > I was a little more concerned about the new stickers > on all the parking meters stating "4 hour short-term > parking only! Meter feeding will not increase your > allowable time." Does this mean we all have to go > out and play musical-bikes at noon? no. it just means that feeding quarters in the meter won't give you more than 4 hours. > Will they still > ticket us if we just relocate to another spot in that > bank of meters? I guess this is what we get for trying > to decrease traffic congestion, pollution & road wear. > Maybe I'll just buy an SUV, get 12mpg, and pay $150 a > month for parking. they shouldn't care a bit if you keep the bike where it is and put in more money at 1pm (or whenever your first 4 hours runs out). ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 13:35:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rasmus.futurequest.net (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [63.151.112.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6KHZYH04653 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15882 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 17:35:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dcpiii1000) (64.3.32.57) by motorcyclegearreview.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 17:35:22 -0000 Message-ID: <00a101c11142$d77ad670$39200340@dcpiii1000> From: "Dave" To: References: Subject: "Free" Fast Toll Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:38:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 I noticed that when going through the Fast Toll Lanes at the $0.50 toll both on the Dulles Toll Road, that if you "forget" your fast toll pass and go through it anyway and stay way left (close to the cones and "thus avoiding the dreaded oil strip in the middle, officer") in the second most lane from the left, you seem to miss the mechanisim that detects vehicles traveling through the lanes and the christmas tree remains silent (no green or red light). This phenomenon happens going in either direction, east or west. Perhaps one of us should write a letter to someone and get this fixed. Dave From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 13:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KHZvH04663 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id 2.11f.1f068d9 (4006) for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:35:44 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <11f.1f068d9.2889c5f3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:35:47 EDT Subject: Re: New 2001 929 for $ 6895 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 Hell, fly up there, pick it up then ride that bad boy back home!! From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 13:50:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp01.wcom.com (pmesmtp01.wcom.com [199.249.20.1]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KHobH04948 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com ([166.38.62.36]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #47837) with ESMTP id <0GGS00H479JAG8@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:49:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pmismtp01.wcomnet.com by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with SMTP id <0GGS00A019J8ZI@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:49:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by pmismtp01.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42258) with ESMTP id <0GGS009AC9IXC6@XXXXXX>; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:49:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: "Free" Fast Toll To: Dave Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B586F2C.F6F811F1@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00a101c11142$d77ad670$39200340@dcpiii1000> Dave wrote: > Perhaps one of us should write a letter to someone and get this fixed. Why? :) Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 13:51:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KHpoH04958 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6KHpgD06075 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6KHpfX08844 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-39-199.mitre.org (128.29.39.199) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 7230383; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:51:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3B586FAF.5184A6BC@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:51:43 -0400 From: Mike Jay Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: PARTS/PROJECT BIKE FOR SALE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, XJ750RJ (1982 Yamaha Seca 750) for sale in Reston, VA, USA Would like to sell the whole bike for between 300$US and 200$US The bike runs and I can ride to deliver up to about a 100 mile range (within VA). That would be about Middleburg or Warrenton for me, but how far I would limp it would depend on the details. MINUSES Front fork seals, front brakes, and petcock need work. Needs new RF turn signal post. Likely will need a new battery (maybe can wait until winter). About 68K miles (broken odometer). PLUSES Compression should check out OK. Good Metzlers on front and back. Brain box and TCI work (of course since the bike runs). Really loud (added-on) horns. New seat. mikejay XJ750RJ ZN700A2 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 14:19:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmi.org ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KIJ4H05475 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmi.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:18:57 -0400 Message-ID: <69FF9744D75D8E44BB30C01515D2D5DD4E8120@lmimaila.lmi.org> From: "ROBERSON, Brian" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: 1981 CB750F for sale Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 14:18:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C11148.70B126A0" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11148.70B126A0 Content-Type: text/plain I advertised this a ways back - but I really do need the space now! 1981 CB750F 23870 miles New plug wires just put in, plugs are probably less than 500 mile old. Needs: New tires!! Seat is ripping a tad on one side, gasket cover seeps a tad bit of oil. The bike starts and runs fine... it hasn't got much usage since I bought the VFR800 about a year ago. This was my first bike - and even though it's a 750 (and a bit heavy), it did fine for me as a beginner bike.. No plastics to crack when dropped (just watch out!) Please email me for more details.. I'll try to get some pictures. I will be extremely busy this weekend, so please be patient for a response.. Price: First $650 takes it. Brian broberso@XXXXXX ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11148.70B126A0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1981 CB750F for sale

I advertised this a ways back - but I really do need = the space now!

1981 CB750F
23870 miles
New plug wires just put in, plugs are probably less = than 500 mile old.

Needs: New tires!!  Seat is ripping a tad on one = side, gasket cover seeps a tad bit of oil.

The bike starts and runs fine... it hasn't got much = usage since I bought the VFR800 about a year ago.  This was my = first bike - and even though it's a 750 (and a bit heavy), it did fine = for me as a beginner bike.. No plastics to crack when dropped (just = watch out!)

Please email me for more details.. I'll try to get = some pictures.  I will be extremely busy this weekend, so please = be patient for a response..

Price: First $650 takes it.

Brian
broberso@XXXXXX

------_=_NextPart_001_01C11148.70B126A0-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 15:20:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h008.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6KJKLH06707 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6617 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2001 12:20:13 -0700 Received: from nat-10-152.nextel.com (HELO truck.lemrow.com) (168.73.245.57) by smtp.lemrow.com (209.228.32.122) with SMTP; 20 Jul 2001 12:20:13 -0700 X-Sent: 20 Jul 2001 19:20:13 GMT Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720151014.01f37c20@mail.lemrow.com> X-Sender: firblt@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:10:30 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Justin Lemrow Subject: Re: "Free" Fast Toll In-Reply-To: <3B586F2C.F6F811F1@home.com> References: <00a101c11142$d77ad670$39200340@dcpiii1000> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed i second this notion At 01:49 PM 7/20/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Dave wrote: > > > Perhaps one of us should write a letter to someone and get this fixed. > >Why? :) 1999 VFR 800 Northern VA/Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 20 16:26:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6KKQ9H07859 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuhell.mad.scientist.com ([24.168.208.112]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:25:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010720162621.00b7ba00@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ltrainpsu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:27:05 -0400 To: From: Larry Subject: Re: "Free" Fast Toll In-Reply-To: <00a101c11142$d77ad670$39200340@dcpiii1000> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed How did one come to find out that it happens only in the second lane from the left? Did one 'forget' his fast toll pass often?? haha! Larry At 01:38 PM 07/20/2001 -0400, Dave wrote: >I noticed that when going through the Fast Toll Lanes at the $0.50 toll both >on the Dulles Toll Road, that if you "forget" your fast toll pass and go >through it anyway and stay way left (close to the cones and "thus avoiding >the dreaded oil strip in the middle, officer") in the second most lane from >the left, you seem to miss the mechanisim that detects vehicles traveling >through the lanes and the christmas tree remains silent (no green or red >light). > >This phenomenon happens going in either direction, east or west. > >Perhaps one of us should write a letter to someone and get this fixed. > >Dave From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 21 10:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6LEGOH27470 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael (dialup-64.157.62.182.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.62.182]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA26234; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 07:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003d01c111f0$09b589c0$b63e9d40@michael> From: "Michael Jordan" To: , "John West" References: Subject: Re: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:18:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 As an aside, Hugo Cavaliere Ducati (the last surviving Ducati brother) also died recently. Bummer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John West" To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 10:22 Subject: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 > > Fabio Taglioni, inventor of the Desmodromic engine, died last night. > > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010719/nyth108.html > > > -john From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 21 18:06:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6LM6CH04892 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltrgyst.tennisbooks.com (adsl-151-200-19-35.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.200.19.35]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA46688629 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:05:24 GMT Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010721175802.00ab6100@mail.9netave.com> X-Sender: pop909184@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:05:40 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Larson Subject: Re: FYI - NH & M St's In-Reply-To: <20010720155124.54390.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:51 AM 7/20/01, tg wrote: > >... Does this mean we all have to go > > out and play musical-bikes at noon? > >no. it just means that feeding quarters in the meter won't >give you more than 4 hours. > >they shouldn't care a bit if you keep the bike where it is >and put in more money at 1pm (or whenever your first 4 >hours runs out). Can you legally feed meters in DC, or is it just the way things work in reality? In Arlington and Alexandria, you cannot legally park in a metered spot for longer than the maximum allowable meter period, no matter if you add more money or not. In Alexandria, the most recent publicized city attorney's position is that you must move your car at least to another block when the metered term expires. No meter feeding, no driving around the block and parking in the same space, no moving to another metered space in the same block. Of course, enforcement is another matter altogether. -- Larry From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 21 19:42:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6LNgYH06415 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 34643 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2001 23:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adesktop.annapurna.com) ([66.92.145.59]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 21 Jul 2001 23:41:51 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010721193705.00a5c1d0@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:45:46 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: Re: FYI - NH & M St's In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010721175802.00ab6100@mail.9netave.com> References: <20010720155124.54390.qmail@web14605.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:05 PM 7/21/2001 -0400, Larry Larson wrote: > Can you legally feed meters in DC, or is it > just the way things work in reality? Certainly, non-meter parking in resident "zone" areas is enforced to the time limit on the sign. They track the tag number, so you can't wipe off any chalk marks or other evasive tactics. At least in Adams Morgan, you have to re-park quite far away, or it's $20. 'Course, parking a car is $12, and you don't get caught every time! Meters have never been that way before, but these new stickers seem pretty un-ambiguous to me. Then again, the old meters allowed you to park a cycle 9 hours at a time, not 4. I assumed the 4-hour limit was a ticket-generating device, but maybe it was a prelude for the new policy. These stickers haven't appeared at 4th & VA Ave SW yet, but then those meters are never full. I need to start cruising more seriously for a free space in SW, I guess. Or a job in the 'burbs. :-) If they've changed the policy for cycles and not cars, we should get the AMA in on the act. /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 21 22:36:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6M2a7k00849 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2001 02:35:14 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: My SS1K Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 22:16:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In case someone was interested... Reader's Digest Version: I did it. On my beemer. Here's the long version: I had a great deal of anxiety about this ride and it was making me crazy. I was obsessing about my starting witness and because I didn't know when I was going to leave and I didn't want to get a some nice volunteer up at god-knows-what-hour to sign my witness form. I originally thought I'd go up to my friendly local police station and get someone to sign. I went there and spoke to the desk guy who was definitely not helpful. So, I decided to try for plan B, which was the hopefully even more friendly and helpful fire station. The fellow said 'sure - come on down and just ring the doorbell and someone will sign'. So, I leave my house at 12:30am and head for the fire station and ring the doorbell, and ring the doorbell and ring the doorbell. So, I decide to go back to plan A. In the parking lot of the police station, I see two female cops chatting. I asked one to sign my form and she did. I rode off to find the perfect gas station and got my time out at 1:30am. I'm off. My route (according to SA 7.0) from Springfield VA to Hollywood, FL, was straight down I95 to Ft Pierce and then the Florida Turnpike for the rest of the trip. When I got to Richmond, overhead signs directed me to 295 around Richmond. So, around Richmond I go. I figured I had to get gas somewhere on 295 to prove I had been there. That accomplished, I continue. I was wearing my perforated leathers and was cold, so I stopped at a rest stop and put on my rain suit, knowing full well that I would be wishing for a little of that cold later on in the day. VA passed with no additional complications and NC seemed to be going the same way. Minor problems like a little road construction that pushed all the traffic off I95 for a short bit. No real delay was caused. The only noteworthy incident in NC was getting dive-bombed by bats. I'm not used to driving or riding in the wee hours and one two occasions, bats were flying right at me and veered off at the last minute. That was fun and kept me awake. I had breakfast at dawn and took off the raingear. I was starting to fade in SC, so I stopped at a rest stop in SC for a little 'Ironbutt Motel' action. It's amazing how comfy a concrete picnic table bench can be when you're REALLY tired. I was stopped for about an hour and I started to feel a lot better. And it had started to heat up. It was sunny and hot through the rest of SC and GA where the thermometer on the RT hit 99.9. Yep, it sure was hot. I stopped at the first rest stop in FL and got some ice cream and free orange juice. The thermometer hit 100.4 before Jacksonville. After Jacksonville, the sky looked beautiful and blue to the east and west and the temp went down a few degrees. It looked good to the south until I saw the lightning. It got darker the further I went and finally decided to put on the rain gear in Palm Coast. I managed to get all the gear on and covered the V1 and other stuff. The storm passed somewhere I wasn't, and I was happy. The temp went down a bit when the rain was imminent and went back up after. At Ft Pierce, I stopped for food, gas and to call my folks to let them know where I was. I arrived at my ma's house at 7:45pm after 18:15 of traveling. I found out from my mother that right after I called, she heard on the news that I95 was closed just south of where I was because a small plane landed on the road. The pictures and traffic jam were impressive. Stats from GPS: Trip odo 1044.7 (includes about 15 miles of trying to get a witness) Avg speed 73.6 Trip timer 14:11:31 Max speed 98.5 (who me?) Bike odo 1065 So now it's done. LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 22 15:34:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6MJYtk16393 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.com ([24.15.187.164]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010722193437.CCHR2379.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@XXXXXX>; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5B2AE4.77C2E530@home.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:35:00 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LindaT." CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: My SS1K References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "LindaT." wrote: > I was obsessing about my starting witness and because I didn't > know when I was going to leave and I didn't want to get a some > nice volunteer up at god-knows-what-hour to sign my witness form. > So, I leave my house at 12:30am Linda, First of all, Congrats on the SaddleSore! Way to go! WooHoo! Second of all, 12:30am would have been NO PROBLEM for me, any night of the week. 3 or 4 am is a little trickier on a weeknight, but can even be do-able (plus I'll get to work early for a change). On the weekends, anything is possible. You should have called me! I'm happy and willing to serve as a starting witness for IBA-type rides for anybody in the DC-cycles area. I'm listed on the approved witness list. Mike Kneebone knows who I am. I know how much of a PITA it is to find witnesses at weird hours... Leon would probably say the same thing, but he's off on some crazy ride to Alaska. :) Anyway, congratulations again. Sounds like it was a neat trip. Bats! Wow. Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 22 16:31:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13008.mail.yahoo.com (web13008.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6MKVUk17278 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010722203128.8203.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.157.63.6] by web13008.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:31:28 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 13:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Condit and Hells Angels? To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This post came from the NYC-Moto list. While I haven't really been paying attention to the Levy/Condit case, this is something I never heard before. Any of you catch anything like it on the local news? (The "Ninja bikers" refers to an article someone in the NY Times wanted to write, and contacted someone on the NYC-Moto list to ask about Ninja bikers) Louis > this comes out of this week's village voice about the > chandra levy case: > > "(Gary)Condit's well-known affection for motorcycles > has reportedly led the police to look into any > possible links between him and the Hell's Angels." > > i don't even know where to begin my rant but maybe > Condit also knows where these ninja bikers are hanging > out. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 22 20:35:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (web3802.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6N0Ztk21009 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010723003552.7281.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.249.180.66] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:35:52 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: YSR Sprint/Endurance Race Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just finished a weekend of racing my YSR50 against the folks in EARA. Saturday was the sprint race day and Sunday was the 2-hour endurance race. Saturday was a mixed bag. I had a novice rider take me out in the 50cc stock novice class by crossing right in front of my line, causing me to take a nasty spill* and making another rider crash into my fallen bike. The rest of the day went better, and I managed my first race podium with a win! Woohoo! (After another scuffle with the same dangerous novice rider, I managed to pass him and another rider and check out.) Sunday saw the arrival of the first endurance race for the DC-Cycles Racing team which consisted of myself, Chuck Pena and George Cole. After a long practice session, Chuck and George dialled in the track really well. I started the race with a poorly-executed Le-Mans style start and began putting in some good laps. (Le Mans style starts are when all the riders start on foot and run across the track to the bikes) We were racing against expert-class racers in the stock endurance race, but we felt we were running fairly good lap times. We were hopeful about a good finish as we swapped riders in 20-minute stints. Late in the race (after about an hour and twenty minutes), a wreck by a 50GP class rider caused a red flag, stopping the race. It was determined by the officials that the race would be called and points would be scored based on the last completed lap. At the awards ceremony, we found that we placed third out of a field of three entries in our class. Talk about mixed feelings. We were only three laps down out of around 120, though, and we felt that if we had completed rider changeovers and the start better, we might have placed second. (That's right, 120-some laps in around 80 minutes :^)) Chuck and George had a great time in their first YSR race, and I was glad to put in a concerted effort to smooth out my lines and work on consistency. I was amazed at how quickly Chuck and George got up to pace and started turning fast laps. With more experience under our belts, we could really be flying around that track. All in all, a great weekend and a fantastic time was had by all. Chris Weaver DC-Cycles YSR50 Race Team * A 'nasty spill' in YSR racing means a bruised leg, a sprained toe and a broken footpeg bracket. :^) ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 02:35:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6N6ZRk27154 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.168.218.19]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:35:16 -0400 Message-ID: <3B5BC538.63BD7C59@cox.rr.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:33:28 -0400 From: +Andrew X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 07:44:08 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web9708.mail.yahoo.com (web9708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6NBi7k01957 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010723114404.52415.qmail@web9708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.182.48] by web9708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:44:04 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Scratch Subject: RE: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, johnw@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John wrote... > Fabio Taglioni, inventor of the Desmodromic engine, > died last night. > > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010719/nyth108.html Very sad. He was a great man. He was not, however, the inventor of the desmodromic engine. Rich __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 08:42:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NCgFk02935 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:42:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200107230842.AA435421286@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: RE: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Scratch Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:44:04 -0700 (PDT) >John wrote... >> Fabio Taglioni, inventor of the Desmodromic engine, >> died last night. >> >> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010719/nyth108.html > >Very sad. He was a great man. He was not, however, >the inventor of the desmodromic engine. Aaaah. Sounds interesting. After dropping that comment, NOW you have to elaborate. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 09:30:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (web3805.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6NDUjk03769 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010723133043.11300.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:30:43 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:30:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: RE: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This was taken from www.dienza.co.uk/desmo.html. "Desmodromics, the principle of positive valve control, came into its own in the period when mercedes-benz straight-eight Desmo engines dominated formula I racing. Unfortunately, when the prestigious german auto company retired from racing, it also effectively retired the desmo technology. At least for the moment. Ducati Engineers, however, fished it out of oblivion and for the first time applied it successfully to motorcycles. Desmo technology was first used in racing designs and then in a daring commercial venture, in Ducati street machines." Chris Weaver ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 10:34:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NEYYk04930 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.51.57.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.51.57]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA31371; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5C362A.7047B22A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:35:22 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Chris Weaver , George Cole , Gerald Hubbard , "Richard Pelletier (alt)" , Rob Keiser Subject: Re: YSR Sprint/Endurance Race Report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, a big THANK YOU to Chris Weaver for allowing me and George to race with him on his YSR. It was an absolute blast! Let's just say that the grin factor behind my smoke shield was high on the meter! %^) Also, thanks to Rich Pelletier, Gerald Hubbard, and Rob Keiser for stopping by and spectating. It's always nice to have a fan club! Maybe they can comment on the racing from a spectator perspective??? I hope the 3 of us managed to hold up DC-Cycles (both the list and racing team) honor. No crashes and no mechanicals. I think we all rode well. Chris has the most experience on the YSR (he should, it's his!) so he was the benchmark I was shooting for in terms lap times. Since I was scorekeeping during Chris stints out on the track, I had a pretty good idea of how fast he was running -- 36s and 37s (that's seconds, no minutes!) with occassional 35s. George was the least "experienced" of the 3 of us, having only ridden the YSR around in a parking lot for the first time the Thursday night before. Nonetheless, he was running very consistent and respectable laps -- I was timing him in the low 38s and high 37s with a stopwatch. I have no idea what kind of lap times I was running, but based on some of the readouts from the lap timer that George had affixed to the YSR (George has all the goodies!) I think my times were pretty close to Chris. I'm guessing that if you had to average out all our lap times, we were running in the 37s. Our "strategy" for the race was consistency and I think we managed that. We were all certainly closer in terms of riding ability, skill, and lap times than the other 2 teams in our class (stock). Both the other teams appeared to have 2 expert-class riders (i.e., faster) and 1 amateur-class rider (i.e., slower). Chris had the unfortunate situation of being out on the track when both other teams had their better/best riders out. George was actually able to catch and pass the rider in front of him when he was out on the track (I don't know if that then put us on the same lap as that team or not!) And the 1st place team's rider when I was out on the track was basically a total newbie who I was able to lap several times (but we were probably way more laps down at the time!) BTW, this rider was essentially a total newbie and a girl (sister of the team's top rider). Even though it was her first time out on a YSR and on the track, she acquitted herself well. Although slow by comparison, she rode smart and safe and was actually picking some very good lines to ride (which also meant it wasn't always a piece of cake to pass her even though she was slower). With a better start and rider changeovers, I'm sure we would've given the 2nd place team a run for its money. I'm hoping we get another shot at this whenever the next endurance race is held at Monrovia. For those of you who might think zooming around a go-kart track on a little 50cc pint-sized racebike is silly, a joke, or easy, I just have two words: TRY IT! Nope it's not triple-digit speeds, but it takes the same kind of skills as hustling a full-sized bike around a track. It's demanding and tiring. And 20 minutes flicking a YSR around on a tight and twisty track seems like a lot longer. Chuck Chris Weaver wrote : > Sunday saw the arrival of the first endurance race for > the DC-Cycles Racing team which consisted of myself, > Chuck Pena and George Cole. -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 12:13:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NGDEk06767 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-105-111.s365.tnt12.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.105.111] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.31 #3) id 15OiKV-0002HX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:13:12 -0400 Message-ID: <008c01c11392$807b4600$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <20010722203128.8203.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Condit and Hells Angels? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:35:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hmmm, maybe she stole his Harley and is now touring the country under the assumed name "Giggles LaRue." Could it be his missing bike is another tidbit he "forgot" to tell the police? Perhaps they've agreed to a secret rendezvous in Sturgis? Why do people assume that if you're into bikes you're somehow automatically plugged into a netherworld of "outlaw bikers." Sheesh. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F (outlaw rice burner rider) ----- Original Message ----- From: Louis F. Caplan > This post came from the NYC-Moto list. > Louis > > > this comes out of this week's village voice about the > > chandra levy case: > > > > "(Gary)Condit's well-known affection for motorcycles > > has reportedly led the police to look into any > > possible links between him and the Hell's Angels." > > > > i don't even know where to begin my rant but maybe > > Condit also knows where these ninja bikers are hanging > > out. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 12:34:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NGY8k07163 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-64.157.51.57.Dial1.Washington1.Level3.net [64.157.51.57]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20581 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5C5231.B1857014@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:34:57 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: FOR SALE LP marker lights Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lockhart Phillips Flush Mount I marker lights. Carbon body. Amber lens. New in box. Yes, they're a little "squidly" but are just the ticket if you are looking to get rid of stock OEM turn signals on a sportbike for something a little less "obtrusive". Go to http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/markerlights.html and scroll down for pictures, description, and pricing of Flush Mount I marker lights. Suggested retail $18.95. Your's for $10 cash on the barrelhead. You have to be willing to come to Arlington -- either Ballston (work) or Rosslyn (home) -- to pick them up. Chuck who has really squidly LP Flush Mount IV lights on his FZR! %^) -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 15:08:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NJ8rk09897 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:08:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200107231508.AA506658918@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: RE: Fabio Taglioni, 1920-2001 X-Mailer: Thanks! Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Chris Weaver Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:30:43 -0700 (PDT) >This was taken from www.dienza.co.uk/desmo.html. > >"Desmodromics, the principle of positive valve >control, came into its own in the period when >mercedes-benz straight-eight Desmo engines dominated >formula I racing. Unfortunately, when the prestigious >german auto company retired from racing, it also >effectively retired the desmo technology. At least for >the moment. Ducati Engineers, however, fished it out >of oblivion and for the first time applied it >successfully to motorcycles. Desmo technology was >first used in racing designs and then in a daring >commercial venture, in Ducati street machines." > >Chris Weaver > >===== >Chris Weaver >VTR1000 YSR50 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 15:27:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6NJR2k10208 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 1145 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 12:26:53 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 12:26:53 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Jul 2001 19:26:53 GMT Message-ID: <002701c113ad$cc047a40$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Chris Weaver" , References: <20010723003552.7281.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: YSR Sprint/Endurance Race Report Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:29:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 congrats Chris! Also, congrats to chuck and george. would love to come see you guys sometime!!!! keep up the good racing. :-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 15:46:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NJkmk10537 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-48-152.s152.tnt5.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.48.152] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.31 #3) id 15OlfB-0004YP-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:46:46 -0400 Message-ID: <03e401c113b0$4fbf6640$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: MSF NoVa Standby policy changed Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:46:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In the past few months, I (and others) have counseled folks who want to take the MSF courses in Alexandria that there is an opportunity for stand-bys to come on Fridays and stake a claim to a seat held by a no-show. I have received notice that this is no longer the case and that standbys will no longer be accepted on such a basis. Apparently there is some sort of alternate "wait list" policy in effect now for those interested in filling last minute cancellations. Call 703-845-6240 / 6280 for more details. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:02:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web13805.mail.yahoo.com (web13805.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.15]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6NK23k10812 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010723200201.51540.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.131.90.209] by web13805.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:02:01 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:02:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Kitchell Subject: Question on Bikenights To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As you know, from time to time, Chuck has a casual Bikenight at the Jave Shack in Arlington. Usually posted only a few days in advance. The question is, would any of you show up if I did a similar gathering at the Asylum in DC? The Asylum is a biker bar/courier hangout. Fun but a VERY different atmosphere than Java Shack/Grevey's etc. Let me know Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:11:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NKBAk10916 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.e4.1833fc43 (4158) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:10:58 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:10:57 EDT Subject: Re: YSR Sprint/Endurance Race Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/23/2001 10:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > BTW, this rider was essentially a total > newbie and a girl (sister of the team's top rider). Even though it was > her first time out on a YSR and on the track, she acquitted herself > well. Although slow by comparison, she rode smart and safe I have said many times that I have far more respect for the last place finisher on a race track, then for the fastest guy on the street. And lord does that sound like fun! John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:24:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NKO2k11181 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.e1.17dc1acd (4158) for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:23:48 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:23:48 EDT Subject: Danger, Will Robinson Danger! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 FYI. They were chewing up I 395 north starting around Duke this morning, Lots of gravel and a nasty looking edge trap. It also looks like a long term project. Ya all know the drill. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:30:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.washcp.com (mail.washcp.com [206.239.195.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NKTxk11270 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wproc01 (wproc01.washcp.com [206.239.195.79]) by mail.washcp.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12360 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:35:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010723161748.00a66430@mail.washcp.com> X-Sender: yroberts@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:18:39 -0400 To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX From: Yi Wah Subject: Re: Question on Bikenights In-Reply-To: <20010723200201.51540.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed yes >The question is, would any of you show up if I did a >similar gathering at the Asylum in DC? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:39:31 2001 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NKdUk11460 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.87.241.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.87.241]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16658 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5C8BB5.CCD75052@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:40:21 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: YSR Sprint/Endurance Race Report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, I give her a lot of credit. I mean, how many guys' egos could stand up to what she did? She knew she would be the slowest rider out there. She knew her skill level wasn't the same as everyone else. Yet she still went out there and raced. Most other people would talk the talk, but not walk the walk. I have a lot more respect for her than the squid street riders on their poser sportbikes. I talked to her a bit afterwards (to let her know I thought she rode well and give her some words of encouragement) and she was just so totally jazeed and psyched about everything. Give her enough time and she'll be mixing it up with the boyz and holding her own. And yes, it is totally outrageously fun to ride a YSR full-bore flat-out on a track! %^) Chuck PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > > In a message dated 7/23/2001 10:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > > > BTW, this rider was essentially a total > > newbie and a girl (sister of the team's top rider). Even though it was > > her first time out on a YSR and on the track, she acquitted herself > > well. Although slow by comparison, she rode smart and safe > > I have said many times that I have far more respect for the last place > finisher on a race track, then for the fastest guy on the street. > And lord does that sound like fun! > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:46:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6NKkYk11640 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17346 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 13:46:27 -0700 Received: from w156.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net (HELO laura) (216.112.246.156) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.164) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 13:46:27 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Jul 2001 20:46:27 GMT Message-ID: <008e01c113b8$e90650e0$9cf670d8@dccracing.org> From: "Laura Granato" To: , References: Subject: Re: YSR Sprint/Endurance Race Report Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:49:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > I have said many times that I have far more respect for the last place > finisher on a race track, then for the fastest guy on the street. > And lord does that sound like fun! > John: Glad to hear more people talking like that! :-) You wouldn't believe how tough it is out there, and many people just don't seem to understand that. Whether you're racing full-sized motorcycles or YSRs, it's not as easy as it looks. I gave someone the surprise of their life at summit one weekend. I was supposed to race, but couldn't, so I was out at the carousel taking pictures (this was one of my first race weekends). They were making fun of the slow people. They sure were surprised when I turned around and said "do I see you out there?" and they said "no." I told them the slowest guy/gal out there is probably riding faster than they've ever ridden on the street, and they're trying. Boy, did that guy shut up after that. The thing to remember when watching racing is everyone starts somewhere, and the key is they are giving it a shot. I'm improving each weekend, but I'm still slow, all I know is that I'm trying and having fun. I think that more spectators need to realize that. I'm glad to hear someone out there has a good head on their shoulders. ;-) Laura From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:47:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m04.mx.aol.com (imo-m04.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NKlSk11650 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-m04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.e1.17ddfa1b (15893); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id08.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID88-0723164631; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:46:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:46:30 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question on Bikenights To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: Probably. Depends on day and time. Scooter In a message dated Mon, 23 Jul 2001 4:34:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Yi Wah writes: > yes > > >The question is, would any of you show up if I did a > >similar gathering at the Asylum in DC? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 16:56:22 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6NKuKk11763 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cp93425-a.mtgmry1.md.home.com (HELO cp93425a) (65.14.174.34) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 20:56:18 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "rydin" To: "dc-cycles \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Question on Bikenights Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:55:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c113d3$048d97a0$22ae0e41@mtgmry1.md.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010723200201.51540.qmail@web13805.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Thats in Adams Morgan ? -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:markkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 1:02 PM To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Question on Bikenights As you know, from time to time, Chuck has a casual Bikenight at the Jave Shack in Arlington. Usually posted only a few days in advance. The question is, would any of you show up if I did a similar gathering at the Asylum in DC? The Asylum is a biker bar/courier hangout. Fun but a VERY different atmosphere than Java Shack/Grevey's etc. Let me know Mark ===== http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 17:30:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6NLU8k12413 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-163-103-196.sp.cox.rr.com (HELO ltanner) (24.163.103.196) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 21:30:06 -0000 X-Apparently-From: From: "LindaT." To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Sidecar class Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:29:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Well, the sidecar class is now history and I gotta say that if I had the money (and a job and another parking place), I'd have a hack. It was close to the most fun you can have with your clothes on. The two fellows running the class, Jim Cain and Cundiff Simmons, really know their collective stuff. Jim is president of the national sidecar organization at www.sidecar.com. The curriculum was newly revised and we were the first (or second) class to use it. The lectures were well organized, but a little heavy on the safety equipment angle. I mean, they were preaching to the choir as far as I was concerned, but from the look of a coupla of the Harley entrants, it was necessary (but unheeded). They have a trailer that can be used as a mobile classroom (if necessary), complete with generator, to haul the rigs around. The bikes are 250 Nighthawks with Jawa sidecars. They were a hoot to ride. And yes, we flew the cars. Irv was better at it than I, but I did it first (with a passenger unintentionally). We have pictures to prove it. There were three rigs and 9 students. Each exercise was done in three shifts and each student was either the rider, an onlooker or ballast each shift. Being ballast was an interesting activity. I have never been a good passenger and this gave me more respect for those who do it willingly. I'm sore today as hack riding is a much more strenuous activity than merely riding two wheels. Those hack rigs have to be muscled through turns while hanging off. Oh yeah, and then there's 'drifting'. I think I only did that once successfully, but it was a scream. Bob King (president of BMWBMW) was in the class and Jim Cain is also a member of BMWBMW, so we had a group shot taken including Irv and I for the BMWBMW contingent. Hugh Caldwell was there representing the DC-Cycles gang. The rest of the class was Harley riders with the exception of one guy who had a Ural sidecar rig. He was the ringer. He flew the car nearly as well as the instructors. One of the Harley riders brought her rig to the class, but didn't use it for the exercises as they would have had to unload all the ballast. There will be another class the last weekend in September at the Loudoun campus of NVCC and it's not full (yet). To see a complete schedule of events, go to http://www.esc.org/sidecar.html#sched LindaT. Custom TankBags Springfield, VA (suburb of our nation's capital) 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (68K miles and counting...) 00 KLR250 Super Sherpa Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/ljtanner _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 18:00:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NM0Ok12901 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Whetu@XXXXXX by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.113.20f645f (15874); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id07.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID71-0723161738; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:17:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:17:38 EDT From: Whetu@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Question on Bikenights To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <113.20f645f.288de062@aol.com> heh heh...I'd be up for it. It's in Adams Morgan, DC and I can arrange for some extra 'reserved parking' out front. (there's always at least one or two cages' worth blocked off with cones/old honda). Half price draft beer weekdays until 9pm too (even Guinness). -Euan >The question is, would any of you show up if I did a >similar gathering at the Asylum in DC? The Asylum is >a biker bar/courier hangout. Fun but a VERY different >atmosphere than Java Shack/Grevey's etc. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 18:14:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NMEpk13055 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool181-25.patriot.net [209.249.181.25]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6NMEkQ31047; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:14:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3B5CA06B.92BAB7E5@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:08:43 -0400 From: "William J. Huson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Danger, Will Robinson Danger! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I got on at Duke and saw that surprise - no warning signs. Traffic was kinda slow considering it was like 10AM and appeared to be dern near stopped when I was heading south about 3ish. Looks like a fun week ahead... Bill PenguinBiker@XXXXXX wrote: > FYI. They were chewing up I 395 north starting around Duke this morning, Lots > of gravel and a nasty looking edge trap. It also looks like a long term > project. Ya all know the drill. > > John Walters (Long John) > PenguinBiker@XXXXXX > Up near DC > > Honda ST1100X Pan European > (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) > BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles > Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 18:15:59 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe50.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6NMFwk13154 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:03:52 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.101.141.139] From: "Greg Thompson" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <20010722203128.8203.qmail@web13008.mail.yahoo.com> <008c01c11392$807b4600$bb82fea9@palladio> Subject: Re: Condit and Hells Angels? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:03:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 22:03:52.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C1428A0:01C113C3] From: "Paul Wilson" > Why do people assume that if you're into bikes > you're somehow automatically plugged into a netherworld of "outlaw bikers." what, you mean you're not? guess that explains why i haven't seen you at the monthly meetings... -- -greg From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 23 20:11:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from rhino.spottedcat.com (IDENT:root@[63.91.14.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6O0B2k15057 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (hcaldwell@localhost) by rhino.spottedcat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17269 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:09:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:09:05 -0400 (EDT) From: hcaldwell X-Sender: hcaldwell@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Sidecar class In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll second Linda's comments. The class was a lot of fun and definitely a work out. If anyone knows of any sidecar rigs for sale please pass them on. Thanks, Hugh From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 01:30:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6O5Uak20075 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A030-0852.MLE2.splitrock.net [63.253.111.90]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6O5ULT66330; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:30:21 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "SECA List" , "DC-CYCLES" Subject: 2 Repair Qustions for DC-Cycle Bike Doctors- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:30:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Hi All- Having gone to my first track day (thanks NESBA!), I realized that my bike needs a little love to keep up with the pack. A vague throttle response is the most annoying thing. As I was entering turns and downshifting, I kept over and underreving the engine trying to match engine speed with wheel speed. It was hard to be smooth when acceleration wasn't really jiving with my wristwork. One of the control riders suggested that one of my carbs is dirty or clogged, as the problem also manifested itself as a big dead spot at around 6500rpms when rolling on from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th (the bike just kinda "burps" as I roll on throttle (though no backfire)). Any ideas? The second part is more straightforward. My Seca is experiencing a bit of clutch drag that seems to have come from sitting too long in the previous owners garage. Well, the shop wants $250 to freshen it up, but I see that the plates and springs are only abouth $120... The math seems to be in my favor, but I don't think I'd be able to tell if there was something else that needed work (likt the basket...) once I got it open. 1-Is it easy to tell when clutch parts are history, other than the friction plates and springs that I'd be swapping anyway? 2-How hard a job is it for a guy who is mechanicaly inclined (I've changed the brake pads, overhauled the calipers and done some other stuff that didn't give me any probs.) 3-Anyone recommend parts- I'm just gonna use Barnett Kevlar and steel plates with heavy duty springs unless someone has had a bad experience with them. Rob Curtis Staff Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ Never be afraid to try something new; remember, amateurs built the Ark, and professionals built the Titanic. __________________ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 01:53:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (pimout3-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.102]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6O5rSk20417 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CJ144294A (A030-0852.MLE2.splitrock.net [63.253.111.90]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f6O5rQT150938 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:53:26 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rob Curtis" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: Bike Service Workshops? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Has DC-Cycles ever had "how-to" workshops? Being a financialy challenged bike newbie with some tools and a service manual, I suddenly realized that there may be others like me nearby. Well somewhere in or near DC there must be a few folks that are willing to share their mechanical know-how with those like me. Based on the list response, I'll investigate the possibilities. Let me know if any of you are willing to help with the organizing, willing to share your hard-won mechanical skills, or if you have ideas for workshop topics. I wonder if clutches would be a popular topic . So whadya think? Rob C. Rob Curtis Staff Photographer Army Times Publishing Co. Springfield, VA http://www.robcurtis.com __________________ Never be afraid to try something new; remember, amateurs built the Ark, and professionals built the Titanic. __________________ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 08:06:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11202.mail.yahoo.com (web11202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.184]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6OC6ok26988 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010724120648.50325.qmail@web11202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.71.174.14] by web11202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:06:48 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Rosenstock Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'd be an attendee too. Matt --- Rob Curtis wrote: > Has DC-Cycles ever had "how-to" workshops? Being a > financialy challenged > bike newbie with some tools and a service manual, I > suddenly realized that > there may be others like me nearby. Well somewhere > in or near DC there must > be a few folks that are willing to share their > mechanical know-how with > those like me. > Based on the list response, I'll investigate the > possibilities. Let me know > if any of you are willing to help with the > organizing, willing to share your > hard-won mechanical skills, or if you have ideas for > workshop topics. I > wonder if clutches would be a popular topic . > So whadya think? > Rob C. > > > Rob Curtis > Staff Photographer > Army Times Publishing Co. > Springfield, VA > > http://www.robcurtis.com > __________________ > Never be afraid to try something new; > remember, amateurs built the Ark, and > professionals built the Titanic. > __________________ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 08:33:01 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (web3802.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6OCX0k27436 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010724123258.20717.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:32:58 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: Re: 2 Repair Qustions for DC-Cycle Bike Doctors- To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX, SECA List , DC-CYCLES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree with the control rider - it sounds like a clogged carb or your carbs need to be balanced. I only have experience messing with the clutch on my YSR, but it should still be roughly similar. You'll have to drain the engine oil and take off the case cover (you may need to buy a new gasket before you do this). You'll probably see the clutch basket with 4-6 springs sticking out of it, capped with bolts and washers pushing the springs in. You'll have to take these bolts out (watch out for the springs shooting out of there) and then you should be able to remove the basket. Inside the basket you'll notice several round plates. Inspect these and see if there are any that don't have much friction surface anymore. I think there should be recessed wear indicator areas like on brake pads. Replace these if necessary with new ones. Reassemble. That's how it works on the YSR though, so your mileage may vary. Remember I have that Seca II shop manual that's yours for the taking. ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 09:22:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f161.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.161]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ODMSk28292 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:11:12 -0700 Received: from 199.196.144.16 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:11:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.196.144.16] From: "michael brocchi" To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:11:12 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 13:11:12.0773 (UTC) FILETIME=[1CDD0B50:01C11442] Speaking for myself, as the only person I can speak for, I am in the same situation as you Rob. And I would certainly be interested in learning more on how bikes work and how to work on bikes. I hope there's enough interest in getting something like this off the ground. -Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 09:28:18 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com ([204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ODSHk28381 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:27:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200107240927.AA656277606@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Sidecar class X-Mailer: They're not easy to find, as there's not many sidecars anywhere. That said, http://www.sidecar.com/classifieds/sale.html has some, and Hack'd magazine (http://www.sidecar.com/hacked.htm) is an excellent resource. There's also a list at listserv@XXXXXX and some Yahoo clubs (search for sidecar) If you buy just a sidecar and have a motorcycle to put it on, you can find installers to do it for $400-500. Though it's possible to use the sidecar just when you want to, most folks keep it on one dedicated rig. Poke around sidecar.com. I have a bunch of sidecar links you're welcome to; let me know if you'd like them. Chris Norloff ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: hcaldwell Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:09:05 -0400 (EDT) > > I'll second Linda's comments. The class was a lot of fun >and definitely a work out. If anyone knows of any sidecar rigs for >sale please pass them on. > >Thanks, >Hugh > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 09:34:52 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11101.mail.yahoo.com (web11101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ODYpk28472 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010724133449.61341.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.116.158.34] by web11101.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:34:49 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:34:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulrich Boser Reply-To: ulrich@XXXXXX Subject: fill her up... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <200107232300.f6NN0gQ13865@dirty.meretrix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hello, i am all for asylum informal bike nights. on other fronts, any thoughts out there on filling up the bike? i have heard some talk abt the dangers of filling up a hot tank and the possbility of spill equaling fire. seems a little fanciful to me. do most of you get off your bike to fill it up?? and whats up with people doing wheelies? saw one on 295 this weekend and another person pulling one on calver street in adams morgan. unnecessary in MHO ub __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 09:37:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11006.mail.yahoo.com (web11006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.56]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6ODbfk28551 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010724133738.44264.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.230.55.8] by web11006.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:37:38 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:37:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Trey Herb Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have a lot of mechanical knowledge and have worked as a assistant mechanic at a motorcycle shop (mostly tire changes, oil changes, brakes, fairing upgrades, accesory installation). What I would like now is someplace where I can work on my bike. I live in a condo and can do a little work outside, but a real garage with a lift, tire changer, some place to dispose of used oil + plus some other knowledgable people to help or give advice would be great. Ideally a shared clubhouse/garage. I live in South Arlington. I know Mr. Patton has volunteered his time and tools to the group which is very kind, but a more publically controlled space would be great. Trey --- michael brocchi wrote: > Speaking for myself, as the only person I can speak > for, I am in the same > situation as you Rob. And I would certainly be > interested in learning more > on how bikes work and how to work on bikes. I hope > there's enough interest > in getting something like this off the ground. > > -Mike > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 10:04:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OE4lk28999 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id x.70.d662ba4 (3968); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:04:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <70.d662ba4.288eda6b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:04:27 EDT Subject: Re: fill her up... To: ulrich@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 In a message dated 7/24/01 9:37:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ulrichboser@XXXXXX writes: << unnecessary in MHO >> They are alot of fun though. Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 10:19:57 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OEJuk29251 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SKeener2@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id e.3e.ed530c2 (3973); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: SKeener2@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3e.ed530c2.288eddfe@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:19:42 EDT Subject: Re: 2 Repair Qustions for DC-Cycle Bike Doctors- To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX, SecaIITalkList@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 123 > Having gone to my first track day (thanks NESBA!), I realized that my bike > needs a little love to keep up with the pack. A vague throttle response is > the most annoying thing. As I was entering turns and downshifting, I kept > over and underreving the engine trying to match engine speed with wheel > speed. It was hard to be smooth when acceleration wasn't really jiving with > my wristwork. One of the control riders suggested that one of my carbs is > dirty or clogged, as the problem also manifested itself as a big dead spot > at around 6500rpms when rolling on from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th (the bike > just kinda "burps" as I roll on throttle (though no backfire)). Any ideas? OK....the blipping the throttle as you downshift....some do some don't. I don't. Never have. Never will. Sorry...I have enough things to do at the same time. Yeah...sometimes the bike wiggles as I bang downshifts....but if you know it's coming...then it's kinda fun. :-) As for the dead spot...that might be dirty carbs. Or it just might be poor jetting. Try cleaning them first though. That's fairly simple. > The second part is more straightforward. My Seca is experiencing a bit of > clutch drag that seems to have come from sitting too long in the previous > owners garage. Well, the shop wants $250 to freshen it up, but I see that > the plates and springs are only abouth $120... The math seems to be in my > favor, but I don't think I'd be able to tell if there was something else > that needed work (likt the basket...) once I got it open. 1-Is it easy to > tell when clutch parts are history, other than the friction plates and > springs that I'd be swapping anyway? Yup. Uh...I've never changed the springs in my clutches...except to go to Barnett's.....then I switched back to stock for a better feel/ride. > 2-How hard a job is it for a guy who is mechanicaly inclined (I've changed > the brake pads, overhauled the calipers and done some other stuff that > didn't give me any probs.) Most untrained monkeys can figure out what to do. Should take maybe 20 minutes with the correct tools. > 3-Anyone recommend parts- I'm just gonna use Barnett Kevlar and steel plates > with heavy duty springs unless someone has had a bad experience with them. OK...they stick and tend to give an all or nothing engagement in my opinion. Very hard to modulate. I've had this problem on 3 seperate bikes. (FZR400, FZR560, & SV700) Stick with the stock clutch for a stock bike. Keener From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 10:27:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OERAk29427 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.129.1d787ee (5712); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web36.aolmail.aol.com (web36.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.12]) by air-id04.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID45-0724102647; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:26:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:26:47 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <129.1d787ee.288edfa7@aol.com> I could handle being an attendee also. How about suspension setup as a topic? I know mine can use it. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Tue, 24 Jul 2001 8:09:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Matthew Rosenstock writes: > I'd be an attendee too. > > Matt > > --- Rob Curtis wrote: > > Has DC-Cycles ever had "how-to" workshops? Being a > > financialy challenged > > bike newbie with some tools and a service manual, I > > suddenly realized that > > there may be others like me nearby. Well somewhere > > in or near DC there must > > be a few folks that are willing to share their > > mechanical know-how with > > those like me. > > Based on the list response, I'll investigate the > > possibilities. Let me know > > if any of you are willing to help with the > > organizing, willing to share your > > hard-won mechanical skills, or if you have ideas for > > workshop topics. I > > wonder if clutches would be a popular topic . > > So whadya think? > > Rob C. > > > > > > Rob Curtis > > Staff Photographer > > Army Times Publishing Co. > > Springfield, VA > > > > http://www.robcurtis.com > > __________________ > > Never be afraid to try something new; > > remember, amateurs built the Ark, and > > professionals built the Titanic. > > __________________ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 10:37:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pmesmtp02.wcom.com (pmesmtp02.wcom.com [199.249.20.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OEbDk29599 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com ([166.38.58.143]) by firewall.mcit.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #42257) with ESMTP id <0GGZ00L2XF7OTR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:35:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dgismtp03.wcomnet.com by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with SMTP id <0GGZ00301F7D8W@XXXXXX>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:35:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from home.com ([166.36.152.49]) by dgismtp03.wcomnet.com (PMDF V5.2-33 #42262) with ESMTP id <0GGZ002B0F6T4R@XXXXXX>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:35:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:35:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman Subject: Re: Sidecar class To: hcaldwell Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <3B5D8799.B738B27D@home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: hcaldwell wrote: > > I'll second Linda's comments. The class was a lot of fun > and definitely a work out. If anyone knows of any sidecar rigs for > sale please pass them on. About a year and a half ago, someone was desperate to sell a Concours hack. Was willing to let it go for about $2200. I've been kicking myself ever since that I didn't jump on that deal... heck, the bike alone was worth that much for parts... Good luck, Horkster -- Mandatory second line (CM tm) Dale Horstman - the.horkster@XXXXXX AWSHIDT #322 - 40 of 99 done. Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth '98 Kawasaki Concours - BugSlayer '99 Kawasaki Concours - Grape Nehi '82 Suzuki GS850G - work in progress From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 12:58:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OGwvk02377 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id e.10e.2c62947 (4262); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:58:41 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <10e.2c62947.288f0341@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:58:41 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10e.2c62947.288f0341_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 --part1_10e.2c62947.288f0341_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rmcurtis@XXXXXX writes: > somewhere in or near DC there must > be a few folks that are willing to share their mechanical know-how with > those like me. > I'd be glad to help you with your clutch. I have the tools, garage, and bike lift. The catch is you have to come out to Winchester... :) Anyone else is welcome to watch or wrench... Steve Broadstreet --part1_10e.2c62947.288f0341_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rmcurtis@XXXXXX writes:

somewhere in or near DC there must
be a few folks that are willing to share their mechanical know-how with
those like me.


I'd be glad to help you with your clutch. I have the tools, garage, and bike
lift. The catch is you have to come out to Winchester...  :)
Anyone else is welcome to watch or wrench...
Steve Broadstreet --part1_10e.2c62947.288f0341_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 13:25:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OHP1k02797 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuhell.mad.scientist.com ([24.168.208.112]) by Mail6.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:24:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010724132539.00bac900@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ltrainpsu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:26:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? In-Reply-To: <10e.2c62947.288f0341@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I'm definitely interested in helping out! I'm thinking about going to MMI, so this would be a good step. Please keep us informed.
        Larry

At 12:58 PM 07/24/2001 -0400, you wrote:
rmcurtis@XXXXXX writes:

somewhere in or near DC there must
be a few folks that are willing to share their mechanical know-how with
those like me.


I'd be glad to help you with your clutch. I have the tools, garage, and bike
lift. The catch is you have to come out to Winchester...  :)
Anyone else is welcome to watch or wrench...
Steve Broadstreet

From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 16:28:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OKSEk06075 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.ff.980de9b (3657) for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:27:51 EDT Subject: Re: YSR Sprint/Endurance Race Report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/23/2001 4:46:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > She knew she would be the slowest rider out there. Sooner or later she will be wrong about that! >I have a lot more respect for her than the squid >street riders on their poser sportbikes. Absolutely! >And yes, it is totally outrageously fun to ride a YSR full-bore flat-out >on a track! %^) I just remembered one of the best races I was ever in, it was around and around the local (tiny) Yahama shop on ATC 70s. Balls to the walls WFO no prisoners. I still smile when I think of it. I learned a long time ago that biggest, newest is not necessarily best, race wise. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 16:37:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com (imo-m09.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OKbbk06257 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.95.dd12da1 (3657) for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <95.dd12da1.288f367f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:37:19 EDT Subject: Re: 2 Repair Qustions for DC-Cycle Bike Doctors- To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/24/2001 1:33:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rmcurtis@XXXXXX writes: > A vague throttle response is > the most annoying thing. You may want to check for a holed or miss-installed diaphragm (assuming you have CV carbs.) A slow or vague throttle is one symptom of a diaphragm leak. Have you put anything exotic into the carbs lately? A lot of that stuff will melt a diaphragm. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 16:55:54 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web3802.mail.yahoo.com (web3802.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.111.173]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6OKtrk06530 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010724205551.13580.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.117.237.234] by web3802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:55:51 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Weaver Subject: KBC VR-1 and HJC AC-10 Helmets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone seen, tried on, or own one of these helmets? I'm hoping for a little feedback. I wiped out my nice Arai Signet GT at the track this weekend and I'm looking for a reasonably-priced ($150-250) helmet that looks good. I like the shell design of the KBC, but I don't know anything about their quality. I'm also considering the HJC AC-10, but I've been less than impressed with the interior of the HJCs I've seen to date. Any opinions on these would be helpful also. Any idea where to try these on? I tried PoserRide in Falls Church, but their selection didn't include these models. (I have NO PROBLEM with trying on the helmets there and then ordering online. They've wasted plenty of my time in the past.) Thanks. ===== Chris Weaver VTR1000 YSR50 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 17:06:58 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OL6vk06774 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f6OL6nf21708; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:06:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Roach X-Sender: roach@XXXXXX To: Chris Weaver cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: KBC VR-1 and HJC AC-10 Helmets In-Reply-To: <20010724205551.13580.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Chris Weaver wrote: > Has anyone seen, tried on, or own one of these > helmets? I'm hoping for a little feedback. I wiped out > my nice Arai Signet GT at the track this weekend and > I'm looking for a reasonably-priced ($150-250) helmet > that looks good. I like the shell design of the KBC, > but I don't know anything about their quality. I'm > also considering the HJC AC-10, but I've been less > than impressed with the interior of the HJCs I've seen > to date. Any opinions on these would be helpful also. > My first race helmet was an HJC purchased from Fast Lane, and it did it's job well at Summmit Point during my first and second crashes (the first was nothing, the second made it time to replace :) ). I also see a number of people who do use them for racing, and haven't heard anything bad about them. I will say that they aren't as comfy and quiet as the Arai helmets, but the price reflects that IMHO. Also... don't toss your Arai! Like Shoei, they offer a free inspection service for crashed helmets... I sent mine from last year and my friend Gil's off a couple months ago, they were certified OK and returned within a week (You just have to pay for the shipping, which costs you about $20). Email me if you want the detailed info on sending the Arai back. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 17:30:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OLUFk07190 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-45-242.s496.tnt3.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.45.242] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.31 #3) id 15P9kp-0003bH-00 ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:30:12 -0400 Message-ID: <006b01c11487$f4823900$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Trey Herb" , "dc-cycles list" References: <20010724133738.44264.qmail@web11006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Yes, this sounds like my situation, shade tree mechanic, literally. I would love access to a well-equipped shop, or even just a secure place where I could store my own tools, maybe to work on our (ack) jalopified cage too. I really do enjoy the satisfaction of working on the bike, not to mention saving money. It's a bit frustrating to have to rush to finish things before it gets too dark, too cold, too wet, etc. It prevents "higher order" work like valve adjustments, unless I get any early start in the day. I'd like to fix up a rat bike for foul weather riding, but my situation really precludes that. Can't exactly leave a bike in pieces on the street. I've heard of such a thing in NYC. Bunch of riders got together and rented a warehouse space. Also would be great for off-season lay-ups, too, for those who have a need for that. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Trey Herb To: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? > I have a lot of mechanical knowledge and have worked > as a assistant mechanic at a motorcycle shop (mostly > tire changes, oil changes, brakes, fairing upgrades, > accesory installation). What I would like now is > someplace where I can work on my bike. I live in a > condo and can do a little work outside, but a real > garage with a lift, tire changer, some place to > dispose of used oil + plus some other knowledgable > people to help or give advice would be great. Ideally > a shared clubhouse/garage. I live in South Arlington. > I know Mr. Patton has volunteered his time and tools > to the group which is very kind, but a more publically > controlled space would be great. > > Trey From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 17:39:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6OLdqk07307 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-198.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.198) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 21:39:49 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <004001c11488$d57c85a0$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Brian Roach" Cc: References: Subject: Re: KBC VR-1 and HJC AC-10 Helmets Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:37:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm actually going to use the new helmet for street riding and use my old Shoei RF-R for the track. I should have mentioned that in my post. I'm pretty sure the Arai is trashed. There are some fairly deep gouges in it. I'd be interested in the information about the inspection though, if only to provide Arai with some additional research data. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Roach > My first race helmet was an HJC purchased from Fast Lane, and it did it's > job well at Summmit Point during my first and second crashes (the first > was nothing, the second made it time to replace :) ). I also see a number > of people who do use them for racing, and haven't heard anything bad about > them. I will say that they aren't as comfy and quiet as the Arai helmets, > but the price reflects that IMHO. > > Also... don't toss your Arai! Like Shoei, they offer a free inspection > service for crashed helmets... I sent mine from last year and my friend > Gil's off a couple months ago, they were certified OK and returned within > a week (You just have to pay for the shipping, which costs you about $20). > Email me if you want the detailed info on sending the Arai back. > > - Roach _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 17:57:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6OLv2k07661 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010724215644.18972.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [138.88.39.35] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:56:44 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <006b01c11487$f4823900$bb82fea9@palladio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii on a related note: if anyone (or perhaps more than one person) is interested in finding some decent garage space in the bethesda/rockville area for storage and maintenance of motorcycles, i would be interested in speaking with you. i just got married, and the condo i now live in has no garage. :( --- Paul Wilson wrote: > Yes, this sounds like my situation, shade tree mechanic, > literally. I would > love access to a well-equipped shop, or even just a > secure place where I > could store my own tools, maybe to work on our (ack) > jalopified cage too. ===== tg check out http://www.murphygimer.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 18:05:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OM5Ok07846 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) id <0GH000L0100DBH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-33 #43876) with ESMTP id <0GH000JFD00DGW@XXXXXX>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:05:03 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:04:57 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: "'pawilson@XXXXXX'" , "'trey_22206@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68068083C@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain I'd love to get involved in a shared garage... -Calvin -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 18:44:37 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6OMiak08511 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 77026 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 22:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adesktop.annapurna.com) ([66.92.145.59]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 24 Jul 2001 22:44:34 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010724184409.00ab5cc0@mail.nova.org> X-Sender: rob@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:48:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Rob Winters Subject: old helmets? In-Reply-To: References: <20010724205551.13580.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:06 PM 7/24/2001 -0400, Brian Roach wrote: >Also... don't toss your Arai! Like Shoei, they offer a free inspection >service for crashed helmets. What's the conventional wisdom on old helmets that haven't suffered any major knocks? Is there any reason to trash them, other than aesthetics and grotty interiors? I've heard people go on about oxidation, UV damage, and whatnot. Are they just selling more helmets, or is there anything to it? I've had the same Bieffe full-face and Shoei skid lid for a very long time! /// Rob From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 18:59:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (w157.z216112246.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [216.112.246.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6OMxRk08752 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.mostlyharmless.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.mostlyharmless.net (8.11.0/8.8.7) with SMTP id f6OMxNf21874; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:59:23 -0400 From: Brian Roach Reply-To: roach@XXXXXX To: Rob Winters , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: old helmets? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:59:22 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.95.2] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010724205551.13580.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> <5.0.0.25.2.20010724184409.00ab5cc0@mail.nova.org> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010724184409.00ab5cc0@mail.nova.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072418592202.21820@www.mostlyharmless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Rob Winters wrote: > > What's the conventional wisdom on old helmets that haven't suffered any > major knocks? Is there any reason to trash them, other than aesthetics and > grotty interiors? > > I've heard people go on about oxidation, UV damage, and whatnot. Are they > just selling more helmets, or is there anything to it? After 5 years, the inner structure of the helmet starts to break down not only from environmental causes but also from normal wear and tear, and becomes less effective in the event of a crash. When you go through tech at a race event, for example, they check the snell and/or manufacturing date on your helmet - older than five years will not pass tech. >From the Arai website: "Like most major helmet manufacturers, Arai subscribes to the Snell Memorial Foundation benchmark of five years as the suggested usable lifespan of a motorcycle helmet. Why? Think of a helmet in terms of your body. No matter how good it may look, or how well you take care of it, age still takes its toll. Even with minimal use, a helmet is affected by things like the acids and oils in sweat, haircare products, pollution, exposure to UV rays, etc. At about the five-year mark, helmet interiors begin to show wear and/or deterioration, which should serve as an alert to its overall condition. The helmet's fit may begin to feel a little "loose", not as snug as it once did. This unseen aging and deterioration of the EPS liner and fiberglass shell can affect the helmet's ability to perform in an impact as it was originally designed. These are the reasons to replace your helmet after five years. Of course, if your helmet becomes less than snug in fit, or damaged, it should be replaced before the five-year mark. And when you do, you may want to remember that Arai was the first company willing to warranty its helmets for the full Snell-recommended usable lifespan. " - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 19:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6ONh3k09506 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuhell.mad.scientist.com ([24.168.208.112]) by mail7.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:43:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010724194213.00b79a40@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: ltrainpsu@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:44:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Larry Subject: Re: KBC VR-1 and HJC AC-10 Helmets In-Reply-To: <20010724205551.13580.qmail@web3802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My dealership, MFI honda kawasaki in woodbridge, has the entire HJC line. I am sure they would let you try it on. They are good guys over there. If you need directions, etc, throw me an email. Larry At 01:55 PM 07/24/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Has anyone seen, tried on, or own one of these >helmets? I'm hoping for a little feedback. I wiped out >my nice Arai Signet GT at the track this weekend and >I'm looking for a reasonably-priced ($150-250) helmet >that looks good. I like the shell design of the KBC, >but I don't know anything about their quality. I'm >also considering the HJC AC-10, but I've been less >than impressed with the interior of the HJCs I've seen >to date. Any opinions on these would be helpful also. > >Any idea where to try these on? I tried PoserRide in >Falls Church, but their selection didn't include these >models. (I have NO PROBLEM with trying on the helmets >there and then ordering online. They've wasted plenty >of my time in the past.) > >Thanks. > >===== >Chris Weaver >VTR1000 YSR50 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 20:59:19 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe35.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.92]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6P0xIk10655 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:47:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [66.44.51.77] From: "Tom Faigle" To: References: <200107242300.f6ON0Pc08805@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Cops driving like fools Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:46:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 00:47:07.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[54BCF920:01C114A3] On my way from home today on 66 I got stuck behind some kind of cop in a White unmarked Crown Vic. After following him for a while, I noticed that he wasn't doing anything about all of the HOV violators or speeders. Guessing that he might be a FED, I pulled next to him to see, and if so pass. As I'm getting ready to pass him, he seems kind of pissed off at the looks, so he speeds up, then slows down. Enough that I can't get by. So I fall back behind him, and follow until the next chance to pass. Same deal. But this time he buzzes the siren once or twice and gestures that he's a cop. Well if he's a cop and he's not pulling folks over (and he was out of uniform) he's not suppose to be in the HOV, right? Anyway, after the rant earlier in the week, I decided that I've had enough with some of these idiots. Even if he is a cop. Especially if he's a cop. So I rode over to the local Fairfax County police office and reported his tag (VA JGD-4910). The nice officer there said he wasn't one of theirs, but he'd look in to it. I don't know if this or what I did was a very smart thing to do. But I guess the heat, and seeing this cop setting less than a stellar example got me a little pissed. Afterall, I can't drive solo on I-66 inside the Beltway, unless I'm on the bike. And frankly, I guess I was a little pissed after almost getting hit by a punk kid going solo yesterday violating the HOV. Maybe if some of us, take a little time and report some of the cops that are setting a bad example they'll take notice. Who knows, maybe they'll start setting a better example behind the wheel and actually start making the roads a little safer? (wishful thinking I know, but it's worth a try) Enough of the rant. Guess, I'll write a letter to my son's day care commenting on the excellent job one of the employes did this week. Tom From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 21:36:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from pop2 (pop2.radix.net [207.192.128.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6P1adk11260 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Smurfslayer (p39.a7.du.radix.net [207.192.132.39]) by pop2 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19797; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:36:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dave Yates" To: "'Tom Faigle'" , Subject: RE: Cops driving like fools Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c114aa$d8856060$2784c0cf@nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: On my way from home today on 66 I got stuck behind some kind of cop in a White unmarked Crown Vic. After following him for a while, I noticed that he wasn't doing anything about all of the HOV violators or speeders. Guessing that he might be a FED, I pulled next to him to see, and if so pass. As I'm getting ready to pass him, he seems kind of pissed off at the looks, so he speeds up, then slows down. Enough that I can't get by. So I fall back behind him, and follow until the next chance to pass. Same deal. But this time he buzzes the siren once or twice and gestures that he's a cop. Sounds like Reckless to me. You did the right thing.... Well if he's a cop and he's not pulling folks over (and he was out of uniform) he's not suppose to be in the HOV, right? All LEOS, judges, SC justices, and a bevy of other of the upper caste can use HOV without penalty, it's only the peons that can't. Anyway, after the rant earlier in the week, I decided that I've had enough with some of these idiots. Even if he is a cop. Especially if he's a cop. So I rode over to the local Fairfax County police office and reported his tag (VA JGD-4910). The nice officer there said he wasn't one of theirs, but he'd look in to it. More than likely, if you left any evidence of your name, you won't get a warning if you're pulled over for 1mph under the limit. What you need to do is file a complaint - go to the magistrate's office if you have to. Then, write a quick letter to the chief of police in that jurisdiction, the FFX county Supervisor(s) ? Executive, DR. Gridlock, Supt of the State police, your state senator & your representative. Ask all that the offender be identified and a statement be taken from him. I don't know if this or what I did was a very smart thing to do. But I guess the heat, and seeing this cop setting less than a stellar example got me a little pissed. Afterall, I can't drive solo on I-66 inside the Beltway, unless I'm on the bike. And frankly, I guess I was a little pissed after almost getting hit by a punk kid going solo yesterday violating the HOV. Close calls a plenty... it's getting too crowded around here. Maybe if some of us, take a little time and report some of the cops that are setting a bad example they'll take notice. Who knows, maybe they'll start setting a better example behind the wheel and actually start making the roads a little safer? No, the increased scrutiny will make them more likely to write even more BS tickets, but if you get other High Muckety Mucks looking into their misconduct, just like schoolyard bullies, they cower. Write some letters. Hey - Just ask Mrs. Sharp at the Alexandria DMV - I wrote my delegate got a written apology AND my registration delivered to my door... How 'bout it Mrs. Sharp ? I guess you shouldn't have been so rude... HTH. Dave Yates '90 ZX11 'Acceleratus Maximus' '97 Cobra #5148 http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 24 22:14:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6P2Eok11779 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj133739a ([24.15.184.123]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010725021447.FAWL16895.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cj133739a>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c114b1$91ed4ee0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> From: "Keith Lamond" To: "Ledford, Calvin" , , , References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68068083C@resie03.ie.cw.net> Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:28:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I'd also like to get involved in a shared garage. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ledford, Calvin" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? > I'd love to get involved in a shared garage... > > -Calvin > -------------------------- > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 00:07:33 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web10908.mail.yahoo.com (web10908.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.44]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6P47Vk13565 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010725040729.31326.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.246.40.222] by web10908.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:07:29 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:07:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Germuga Subject: Garage space and misc To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom, I would be interested in garage space. I will be moving in about 1 month and all I all I have is street parking. My bike's nothing special, but it would be nice to keep it secured. In addition, then I would have a place to store a YSR50. Reading the post about the recent race has me wanting to pick one up and join in the fun. Sounds like a blast! And I care not if I'm the slowest out there, guy or girl. I don't see the YSR on the Yamaha site though. Is it out of production? I did mistakenly search google on yZr50 and came across this. http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/yamaz/yzr50.htm Check out the body work. On the, ahhem, bike that is... John __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 00:15:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6P4Fkk13724 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SBave@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id i.12e.1e51ea6 (18411); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: SBave@XXXXXX Message-ID: <12e.1e51ea6.288fa1e3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:15:31 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12e.1e51ea6.288fa1e3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10531 --part1_12e.1e51ea6.288fa1e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX writes: > please let me know if/when you get together for the clutch work. i'd like > to observe. thanks. > So far no takers...come on out if you want and we can do your clutch. It really is pretty simple. I'd be glad to show you. I had someone show me bike maintenance years ago...he helped me wrench on my racebikes until I knew what I was doing...LOL Steve Broadstreet --part1_12e.1e51ea6.288fa1e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit johnnyteardrop@XXXXXX writes:

please let me know if/when you get together for the clutch work.  i'd like
to observe.  thanks.

So far no takers...come on out if you want and we can do your clutch. It
really is pretty simple. I'd be glad to show you. I had someone show me bike
maintenance years ago...he helped me wrench on my racebikes until I knew what
I was doing...LOL

Steve Broadstreet
--part1_12e.1e51ea6.288fa1e3_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 00:19:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp014.mail.yahoo.com (smtp014.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.58]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6P4J2k13744 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool180-188.patriot.net (HELO therock) (209.249.180.188) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 04:19:00 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <000701c114c0$9762de80$0100a8c0@therock> From: "Chris Weaver" To: "John Germuga" , References: <20010725040729.31326.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Garage space and misc Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:16:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 The YSR50 was only produced from 1987-1991 (as I recall). They're getting scarcer as they get used up in racing or street crashes. The YSR racing scene exists in most areas of the country. EARA is the local organization, serving racers from New York to Virginia. Our two tracks this year are in Maryland and upstate New York. There is also an Ohio YSR League (OYL). You can find more about these clubs and YSR50s in general by going to www.teamcalamari.com. You can find more EARA-specific information at www.fastriceracing.com. The next race in Maryland is on Sunday, August 26th. The track is about 45 minutes north of DC, just south of Frederick, MD at the intersection of rt. 75 and rt. 80. Lots of great riding roads around there if you want to make a day trip out of it. Cheers, Chris Weaver VTR, YSR ----- Original Message ----- From: John Germuga To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Garage space and misc > Tom, > > I would be interested in garage space. I will be > moving in about 1 month and all I all I have is street > parking. My bike's nothing special, but it would be > nice to keep it secured. > > In addition, then I would have a place to store a > YSR50. Reading the post about the recent race has me > wanting to pick one up and join in the fun. Sounds > like a blast! And I care not if I'm the slowest out > there, guy or girl. > > I don't see the YSR on the Yamaha site though. Is it > out of production? I did mistakenly search google on > yZr50 and came across this. > > http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/yamaz/yzr50.htm > > Check out the body work. On the, ahhem, bike that > is... > > John > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 07:48:41 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-m05.mx.aol.com (imo-m05.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PBmdk21660 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.e1.17f15ae0 (17529) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:48:24 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:48:24 EDT Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 In a message dated 7/24/2001 5:34:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pawilson@XXXXXX writes: > Bunch of riders got together and rented > a warehouse space. I think I would be up for that. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 08:09:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PC9Xk21968 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from PenguinBiker@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id 2.105.6a9f960 (17529) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Message-ID: <105.6a9f960.289010a1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:08:01 EDT Subject: Re: Cops driving like fools To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 124 If we keep accepting it, they will keep doing it. John Walters (Long John) PenguinBiker@XXXXXX Up near DC Honda ST1100X Pan European (The Pan European is pretentious I know, but I like it.) BMW R80RT 200,000+ miles Honda 1976 CR250M Motowhat racer From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 09:35:27 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PDZQk23534 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.85.162.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.85.162]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA32648; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5ECB4F.5465B4B8@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:36:15 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Germuga CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garage space and misc References: <20010725040729.31326.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Um, yes ... very nice bodywork indeed! %^) John Germuga wrote : > > http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/yamaz/yzr50.htm > > Check out the body work. On the, ahhem, bike that > is... -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 09:46:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PDkok23741 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66-44-117-128.s382.tnt10.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([66.44.117.128] helo=palladio) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.31 #3) id 15POzv-00044q-00 ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c11510$63434ea0$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "Keith Lamond" , "Ledford, Calvin" , , References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68068083C@resie03.ie.cw.net> <000f01c114b1$91ed4ee0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> Subject: Garage to share, was Re: Bike Service Workshops? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 So far we seem to have six interested in the DC/No.Va. area. Trey Herb, Calvin Ledford, Michael Brocchi, Keith Lamond, John Walters and me. Who wants to go shopping for potential space (Arlington or close in Fairfax perhaps??) and explore this idea further? We'd have to get an idea about space needs and what each partner would be willing to pony up in rent. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Lamond To: Ledford, Calvin ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? > I'd also like to get involved in a shared garage. > > Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ledford, Calvin" > To: ; ; > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? > > > > I'd love to get involved in a shared garage... > > > > -Calvin > > -------------------------- > > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 09:50:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from nceaexchange.ncea.org (smtp.ncea.org [64.242.194.132]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PDoXk23842 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by NCEAEXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:50:31 -0400 Message-ID: <79B36BCD74CDD411AE4000508B55FC5F20E637@NCEAEXCHANGE> From: Cedric Bernescut To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Garage space and misc Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:50:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Um, was there a motorcycle on that web page? Cedric "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed...Oh wait, he does!" Um, yes ... very nice bodywork indeed! %^) John Germuga wrote : > > http://www.airtech-streamlining.com/yamaz/yzr50.htm > > Check out the body work. On the, ahhem, bike that > is... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 09:54:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web11507.mail.yahoo.com (web11507.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6PDsak23863 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010725135434.83839.qmail@web11507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.92.161.173] by web11507.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:54:34 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Subject: Re: Garage to share, was Re: Bike Service Workshops? To: Paul Wilson , Keith Lamond , "Ledford, Calvin" , trey_22206@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000201c11510$63434ea0$bb82fea9@palladio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It seems you missed the orignal person of this, Tom Gimer. And I'm sure he is going to want something near his place in Monkey County. Glenn --- Paul Wilson wrote: > So far we seem to have six interested in the > DC/No.Va. area. Trey Herb, > Calvin Ledford, Michael Brocchi, Keith Lamond, John > Walters and me. Who > wants to go shopping for potential space (Arlington > or close in Fairfax > perhaps??) and explore this idea further? We'd have > to get an idea about > space needs and what each partner would be willing > to pony up in rent. > > Paul in DC > 95 VFR750F > http://users.erols.com/pawilson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Lamond > To: Ledford, Calvin ; > ; > ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? > > > > I'd also like to get involved in a shared garage. > > > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ledford, Calvin" > > To: ; > ; > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 6:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? > > > > > > > I'd love to get involved in a shared garage... > > > > > > -Calvin > > > -------------------------- > > > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld > (www.BlackBerry.net) > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 10:00:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PE0Tk24035 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (dialup-209.244.85.162.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.85.162]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24508; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5ED12F.AABF94BD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:01:19 -0400 From: Chuck Pena Reply-To: the_penas@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Paul Wilson , Keith Lamond , "Ledford, Calvin" , trey_22206@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garage to share, was Re: Bike Service Workshops? References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC68068083C@resie03.ie.cw.net> <000f01c114b1$91ed4ee0$7bb80f18@reston1.va.home.com> <000201c11510$63434ea0$bb82fea9@palladio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not one of the "gang of six", but just thought I'd provide some info to help. Some storage places that are relatively "close-in" are: Public Storage - Arlington (Crystal City), (703) 416-9195 - Alexandria (3 locations), (703) 642-1092, 823-4841, 370-2077 - Bailey's Crossroads, (703) 931-2320 Storage USA in Clarendon, (703) 243-32255 Self Storage Plus - Alexandria (2 locations), (703) 751-8100, 836-0656 - Crystal City, (703) 548-3311 Mini U Storage in Alexandria, (703) 212-7904 U-Store in Bailey's Crossroads, (703) 671-3424 NOTE: Their Yellow Pages ad mentions "garage bays" Hope this helps. Chuck Paul Wilson wrote: > > So far we seem to have six interested in the DC/No.Va. area. Trey Herb, > Calvin Ledford, Michael Brocchi, Keith Lamond, John Walters and me. Who > wants to go shopping for potential space (Arlington or close in Fairfax > perhaps??) and explore this idea further? We'd have to get an idea about > space needs and what each partner would be willing to pony up in rent. -- "Nothing is ever what it seems, but everything is exactly what it is." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 10:13:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PEDhk24236 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQkzfc22857 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:13:42 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by imr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQkzfc00545 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:13:10 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <200107242300.f6ON0Pc08805@dirty.meretrix.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:13:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Re: Cops driving like fools Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >On my way from home today on 66 I got stuck behind some kind of cop in a >White unmarked Crown Vic. After following him for a while, I noticed that >he wasn't doing anything about all of the HOV violators or speeders. >Guessing that he might be a FED, I pulled next to him to see, and if so >pass. As I'm getting ready to pass him, he seems kind of pissed off at the >looks, so he speeds up, then slows down. Enough that I can't get by. What kind of bike are you riding? I've NEVER had a problem getting by a car.....something about being half as long and 12 times as fast. (Although I realize that, being a cop, you might not have wanted to display your superior "firepower", lest you incur his wrath.) -- "For man, maximum excitement is the confrontation of death and the skillful defiance of it." -Ernest Becker (1924-1974) Sean Jordan Jordan Racing / DC-Cycles Racing '93 Honda CBR1000F (Street) '90 Yamaha FZR400 (Race) WERA #779 / CCS #778 / MARRC member #3038 http://www.angelfire.com/mac/eternity23/jordanracing.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 10:55:07 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f222.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.222]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PEt6k24887 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:43:51 -0700 Received: from 204.227.225.3 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:43:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.227.225.3] From: "Aaron Ward" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Help! I think I need to sync my carbs... Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:43:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 14:43:51.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[38BFD920:01C11518] Hi all, My bike is having trouble idling. It's an 87 CBR600F, and it runs great. However, after it warms up and gets kind of hot, it will sometimes idle at higher-than-normal RPMs. Then, it will fluctuate between high RPM idle and low RPM idle, then it will sometimes just die when it swings to the low RPM idle state. I can compensate by blipping the throttle when it slumps down in low RPMs, but it's just not right and I feel bad for my bike. Does this sound like typical unsynched carb behavior? I don't understand why the bike idles fine if the temperature gauge is in the low or middle range, but then the idle gets funky if it's in the high temp range. It's not in the hot zone either. If it dies, I can start it right back up no problem. If this is a carb-sync problem, does anyone have one that I can use, or is willing to sell to me? I have taken the carbs off before, so it's not a first time thing for me and I can bring the tools needed to strip off the tank and airbox if someone will let me use their carb-syncher. My gas tank has a very long fuel line so I can run the bike with the tank laying on the frame over the battery area. If it's not a carb problem, any other ideas of what would cause the idle to get messed up based on the temperature of the bike? Thanks, Aaron S. Ward 87 CBR600F 97 CBR900RR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 11:42:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f258.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.133]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PFgVk25920 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:42:19 -0700 Received: from 199.196.144.12 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:42:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [199.196.144.12] From: "michael brocchi" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garage to share Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:42:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 15:42:19.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[6384D130:01C11520] First off, thanks Chuck for that list of places. Although it seems like they are all storage places, what I am looking for is a place that may or may not be for storage but would primarily be a place to go and work on the bike. With tools and knowledgable people there, considering I am a newbie and am looking to learn. My interest was peeked with the possibility of a warehouse, the thought of a large open area where serveral people can be working on their bikes simultaneously seems like a great idea. -Mike '00 Bandit 600 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 11:52:24 2001 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PFqOk26151 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-212-91.s345.apx1k.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.212.91] helo=palladio) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.31 #3) id 15PQxR-0006R9-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:52:21 -0400 Message-ID: <01b201c11521$ed87f960$bb82fea9@palladio> From: "Paul Wilson" To: "dc-cycles list" Subject: Tire pressure, or NHTSA weenies at it again Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:51:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 A bit of a rant follows. I read in the Washington Post this morning that in response to the Explorer/Firestone debacle NHTSA wants auto makers to install automatic tire pressure sensors for all the moronic cagers who can't be bothered to go to Pep Boys and spend two bucks for a tire gauge and learn how to use it. Yet another quixotic exercise in idiot-proofing vehicles. Only problem is you idiot-proof something and someone makes a better idiot. If "something must be done," wouldn't it be better to promulgate a reg. that requires every establishment selling gas to provide *free* compressed air and maybe a hose with one of those built-in pressure gauges? With the demise of the service station, in favor of gas pumps with snack shack, it's no wonder there are clueless people riding and driving around on seriously under-inflated tires. I vote with my dollars on this issue. After over-nighting in Danville last week I went to four different places to find an operational air hose that I didn't have to feed with quarters in order to get fuel and do my pre-ride pressure check and air-up after a day at the track. Normally I would just check the pressure and go, but once I re-loaded the bike with all my luggage I needed to increase the tire pressures from the lower levels the CLASS people recommended. I like to patronize true service stations whenever possible even if it means paying a few more cents per gallon. Those first three stations lost a gasoline and junk food sale because they didn't have free air. The latest Motorcycle Consumer News (August issue) has a blistering commentary on NHTSA and their epidemiological approach to highway safety. MCN got its hackles up in response to a Insurance Institute for Highway Safety rebuke of motorcycle rider training. Apparently "W" intends to nominate yet another physician to head the agency and we can expect more of the same focus on vehicle or "product safety" (the Ralph Nader legacy) and little on rider/driver education. Apparently with respect to highway carnage the education response ("we have met the enemy and it is us") doesn't play well in Peoria. Better to put the onus on evil corporations with deep pockets to fix their "defective products" so we'll all be safer. Thanks for the space. Paul in DC 95 VFR750F http://users.erols.com/pawilson From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 12:03:48 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web14607.mail.yahoo.com (web14607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.87]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6PG3lk26393 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010725160341.91375.qmail@web14607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.9.247.2] by web14607.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:03:41 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Garage to share To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii todd rittershausen and i are interested in finding space to share in montgomery county, preferably close to bethesda/rockville/potomac (and preferably beltway-accessible in minutes). we are looking for a place to (1) garage our bikes, and (2) use as a bike workshop (and escape from home!) any interested parties should contact me relatively quickly; after i get an idea of how many people may be involved, i'll contact a real estate broker friend who can give us an idea on space/cost/etc. --- michael brocchi wrote: > First off, thanks Chuck for that list of places. > Although it seems like > they are all storage places, what I am looking for is a > place that may or > may not be for storage but would primarily be a place to > go and work on the > bike. With tools and knowledgable people there, > considering I am a newbie > and am looking to learn. > My interest was peeked with the possibility of a > warehouse, the thought of a > large open area where serveral people can be working on > their bikes > simultaneously seems like a great idea. > > -Mike > '00 Bandit 600 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 12:37:15 2001 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PGbEk27077 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.9.) id r.42.1809a310 (15904); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web38.aolmail.aol.com (web38.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.14]) by air-id09.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINID97-0725123649; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:36:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:36:49 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Garage to share To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Message-ID: <42.1809a310.28904fa1@aol.com> Not really interested in a place to store the bike since my apartment building has an underground parking garage. But, I would be interested in being able to come and get some help working on my bike. I'm not very mechanically inclined when it comes to this sort of thing and have no tools except the basics. I'd be willing to contribute a small amount for this luxury. :-) Maybe a case of beer to the kind soul willing to put up with my ineptitude. LOL Just a suggestion, make sure it has running water and a place to connect up a hose. The garage in my building has neither so, I have no place to wash the bike. You may also want to make sure it's accessible by public transportation, metro, bus, etc. I don't think riding your bike there, tearing it apart and having no way to get home would be very pleasant. ;-) Scooter In a message dated Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:11:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Tom Gimer writes: > todd rittershausen and i are interested in finding space to > share in montgomery county, preferably close to > bethesda/rockville/potomac (and preferably > beltway-accessible in minutes). we are looking for a place > to (1) garage our bikes, and (2) use as a bike workshop > (and escape from home!) > > any interested parties should contact me relatively > quickly; after i get an idea of how many people may be > involved, i'll contact a real estate broker friend who can > give us an idea on space/cost/etc. > > > > --- michael brocchi wrote: > > First off, thanks Chuck for that list of places. > > Although it seems like > > they are all storage places, what I am looking for is a > > place that may or > > may not be for storage but would primarily be a place to > > go and work on the > > bike. With tools and knowledgable people there, > > considering I am a newbie > > and am looking to learn. > > My interest was peeked with the possibility of a > > warehouse, the thought of a > > large open area where serveral people can be working on > > their bikes > > simultaneously seems like a great idea. > > > > -Mike > > '00 Bandit 600 > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 12:37:49 2001 Return-Path: Received: from fc.Capaccess.org ([151.200.199.52]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PGbnk27086 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-id: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:46:19 -0400 Subject: Re: Help! I think I need to sync my carbs... To: aaronspencerward@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "garcia oliver" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check for air leak around carbs first. --garcia aaronspencerward@XXXXXX writes: >My bike is having trouble idling. It's an 87 CBR600F, and it runs great. > >However, after it warms up and gets kind of hot, it will sometimes idle >at >higher-than-normal RPMs. Then, it will fluctuate between high RPM idle >and >low RPM idle, then it will sometimes just die when it swings to the low >RPM >idle state. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 14:30:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com [207.46.181.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f6PIUgk29326 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.15.236.176]) by cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3225); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:30:18 -0700 From: "Ricardo Pontes" To: "Dccycles" Subject: RE: Bike Service Workshops? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:37:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 18:30:19.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB8585F0:01C11537] I think i would be interested in this as well. I would like to learn how to maintain my motorcycle. Currently i know a few thigns ever since i bought my machine. Tire changes, brake changes, sparkplugs, oil & filter change.. I would like to learn a few other things like valve adjustments and sprocket and chain changing. That would be great to have some maintenance courses around. Ive looked in my local community college, but no luck. Ricardo Pontes 98 Tiger -----Original Message----- From: michael brocchi [mailto:mbrocchi@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 9:11 AM To: rmcurtis@XXXXXX; DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Service Workshops? Speaking for myself, as the only person I can speak for, I am in the same situation as you Rob. And I would certainly be interested in learning more on how bikes work and how to work on bikes. I hope there's enough interest in getting something like this off the ground. -Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 25 19:16:47 2001 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP i