From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 00:58:29 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:58:27 -0400 I'm not attempting to be hypocritical at all. If they want to abolish helmet laws, so be it. I could care less. As far as you argument goes about most americans thinking that motorcycling is stupid, fine...that's their opinion and they are entitled to it, just like I am. However, it is a calculated risk, and I protect myself as much as possible when riding. I wear a DOT and SNELL certified Shoei RF-800 helmet, padded and armored Dainese gloves and Alpinestars roadracing boots, and a *widely* acclaimed two-piece Aerostich Roadcrafter. I am as safe as possible, and don't drive like a nut. My logic isn't danger = stupid. My logic is not taking reasonible precautions in the presence of dangerous acts is stupid. I rock climb, plan on skydiving for my birthday this year, cliff dive (err...and off bridges too), etc. However, I don't do such acts blindly, and plan ahead to try to stay alive for as long as possible. I have no plans, and no desire to die an early death. BTW, it's a fucking opinion, and I've stated that. Chill out. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Ehlert" To: "Kirt S." Cc: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 > i can see you win allot of debates... with your > contradictory logic because on one hand you want to > have freedom of choice.... yet you persist on > upholding laws that take away your choice. > > The majority of Americans would strongly agree that > riding a motorcycle (even with helmet and full body > iron) is extremely dangerous.... and stupid to ride > such machinery in the presents of big metal moving > objects as in cars trucks etc... that will ultimately > win in an event of collision. Having said that.... > according to your logic of danger = stupid AND the > majority of people agree that motorcycling is > extremely dangerous(with the ultimate riding gear).... > then we have no other choice but to legislate a law > that would take away the right to operate a > motorcycle!!!! > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > Freedom of choice = good > > choosing not to wear a helmet = bad > > > > I have access to a shotgun if someone who rides with > > no helmet wants to see > > what happens when their head hits the pavement at > > 60mph... > > > > Retarded might not be the most PC way of expressing > > that thought, however > > even some retarded children wear helmets on a daily > > basis. > > > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > people who die because they > > are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves. > > So thusly, if you CHOOSE > > to not wear a helmet, you ARE stupid as far as I'm > > concerned. And I'm not > > talking once or twice, or "around the block". This > > is for the people that > > do it on a regular basis (including those that wear > > the utterly useless > > skullcaps and nazi-esque German-style helmets). The > > planet is better > > without them, they are wasting my air, and they are > > giving motorcycling a > > bad name. > > > > My opinions, no more, no less. > > > > Kirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Corbett B" > > To: "DC Cycles" > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:25 AM > > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > > digest for 06/29/00 > > > > > > > Gosh Kirt, sorry to get your wool in a bunch. > > > > > > I'm a little concerned that you would think > > freedom of > > > choice "retarded." Keep sending in those > > > thought-provoking suggetions. > > > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > > I wish there was a way to accelerate Darwin's > > > > survivlal of the fittest > > > > theory thingy. we should just group all the > > > > non-helmet wearing retards and > > > > stick them in a one big walled in Wal-Mart > > parking > > > > lot, and shod their bikes > > > > with crappy cheng shin tires. In the rain. > > > > > > > > Kirt > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > > anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 01:07:41 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:07:41 -0400 I didn't crash, because I purposely didn't even come close to my normal comfort level and said twisty roads. I took it easy that day, and I've been taking it easy since my brakes haven't been at 100% effectiveness. I also stated that. I know my comfort level, and in my opinion, I think I've approached it only a few times in 5 years of street riding. Normally, I try and stay well below it, and with a passenger the riding is even more sedate. My "unsuspecting passenger" is precisely not that, as she knows full well the dangers of riding on the back of the bike and has seen my scars to prove how badly one can be hurt. She *chooses* to ride, and I've taken steps to insure that she is protected as financially possible. She currently has nice olympia gloves (the best I could find that fit her small hands), a brand new RF-800 that I bought her because my 2 extra helmets are too big for her, and about the heaviest fucking leather jacket I could get. A good set of riding pants are on order, and I actually plan on buying her an aerostich for herself as soon as financially possible. Also, I've never asked for anyones sympathy, so I don't give a shit how anyone feels when and if I die riding a motorcycle. My girlfriend feels the same way. Thusly, that counter-point of yours in invalid. Kirt PS - if anything, the brakes being slightly out of whack on my F4 has made me a better rider, as I'm learning to be even more smooth and have improved my ability to judge corner entry speed and adjust suitably via engine braking and steering quicker. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Kirt S." ; Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > people who die because they > > are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves. > > So when you and your [unsuspecting] passenger wreck > because you're cruising around on steep, twisty > mountain roads with admittedly inadequate brakes, can > we feel the same way? > > Talk about a hipocrite! > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 02:31:02 2000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: ---> To: "Kirt S." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kirt excellent.... i am glad you do not oppose people trying to abolish frivolous laws(including the helmet law)in the somewhat free USA..... i applaud your safety creed... anyway note to anybody..... what a great riding day!! it was for friday... looks like sat as well. Anybody interested in flying.. i am a flight instructor on the weekends... so if you would also like to make aviation apart of your adventure in your life... give me an email. ok so i have a question...... back to useless laws seeding tyranny instead of freedom .... if the government is so concerned with my self-preservation while operating a motorcycle..... why do they let people smoke cigarettes??????? FREE THINKER.... matt_ehlert@XXXXXX --- "Kirt S." wrote: > I'm not attempting to be hypocritical at all. If > they want to abolish > helmet laws, so be it. I could care less. > > As far as you argument goes about most americans > thinking that motorcycling > is stupid, fine...that's their opinion and they are > entitled to it, just > like I am. However, it is a calculated risk, and I > protect myself as much > as possible when riding. I wear a DOT and SNELL > certified Shoei RF-800 > helmet, padded and armored Dainese gloves and > Alpinestars roadracing boots, > and a *widely* acclaimed two-piece Aerostich > Roadcrafter. I am as safe as > possible, and don't drive like a nut. > > My logic isn't danger = stupid. My logic is not > taking reasonible > precautions in the presence of dangerous acts is > stupid. I rock climb, plan > on skydiving for my birthday this year, cliff dive > (err...and off bridges > too), etc. However, I don't do such acts blindly, > and plan ahead to try to > stay alive for as long as possible. I have no > plans, and no desire to die > an early death. > > BTW, it's a fucking opinion, and I've stated that. > Chill out. > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Ehlert" > To: "Kirt S." > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > digest for 06/29/00 > > > > i can see you win allot of debates... with your > > contradictory logic because on one hand you want > to > > have freedom of choice.... yet you persist on > > upholding laws that take away your choice. > > > > The majority of Americans would strongly agree > that > > riding a motorcycle (even with helmet and full > body > > iron) is extremely dangerous.... and stupid to > ride > > such machinery in the presents of big metal moving > > objects as in cars trucks etc... that will > ultimately > > win in an event of collision. Having said that.... > > according to your logic of danger = stupid AND the > > majority of people agree that motorcycling is > > extremely dangerous(with the ultimate riding > gear).... > > then we have no other choice but to legislate a > law > > that would take away the right to operate a > > motorcycle!!!! > > > > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > Freedom of choice = good > > > choosing not to wear a helmet = bad > > > > > > I have access to a shotgun if someone who rides > with > > > no helmet wants to see > > > what happens when their head hits the pavement > at > > > 60mph... > > > > > > Retarded might not be the most PC way of > expressing > > > that thought, however > > > even some retarded children wear helmets on a > daily > > > basis. > > > > > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > > people who die because they > > > are too fucking stupid to take care of > themselves. > > > So thusly, if you CHOOSE > > > to not wear a helmet, you ARE stupid as far as > I'm > > > concerned. And I'm not > > > talking once or twice, or "around the block". > This > > > is for the people that > > > do it on a regular basis (including those that > wear > > > the utterly useless > > > skullcaps and nazi-esque German-style helmets). > The > > > planet is better > > > without them, they are wasting my air, and they > are > > > giving motorcycling a > > > bad name. > > > > > > My opinions, no more, no less. > > > > > > Kirt > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Corbett B" > > > To: "DC Cycles" > > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > > > digest for 06/29/00 > > > > > > > > > > Gosh Kirt, sorry to get your wool in a bunch. > > > > > > > > I'm a little concerned that you would think > > > freedom of > > > > choice "retarded." Keep sending in those > > > > thought-provoking suggetions. > > > > > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > > > I wish there was a way to accelerate > Darwin's > > > > > survivlal of the fittest > > > > > theory thingy. we should just group all the > > > > > non-helmet wearing retards and > > > > > stick them in a one big walled in Wal-Mart > > > parking > > > > > lot, and shod their bikes > > > > > with crappy cheng shin tires. In the rain. > > > > > > > > > > Kirt > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access > from > > > anywhere! > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 09:47:13 2000 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Kirt S." wrote: > I didn't crash, because I purposely didn't even come > close to my normal > comfort level and said twisty roads. I took it easy > that day, and I've been > taking it easy since my brakes haven't been at 100% > effectiveness. I also > stated that. I know my comfort level, and in my > opinion, I think I've > approached it only a few times in 5 years of street > riding. Normally, I try > and stay well below it, and with a passenger the > riding is even more sedate. > My "unsuspecting passenger" is precisely not that, > as she knows full well > the dangers of riding on the back of the bike and > has seen my scars to prove > how badly one can be hurt. She *chooses* to ride, > and I've taken steps to > insure that she is protected as financially > possible. She currently has > nice olympia gloves (the best I could find that fit > her small hands), a > brand new RF-800 that I bought her because my 2 > extra helmets are too big > for her, and about the heaviest fucking leather > jacket I could get. A good > set of riding pants are on order, and I actually > plan on buying her an > aerostich for herself as soon as financially > possible. So you're riding around in a full suit and she's got jeans on? What a guy. Reminds me of somebody I know (and you know who you are!) And yes, she is 'unsuspecting' if she's riding around on the back of your bike without having read your earlier posts regarding your brakes. > Also, I've never asked for anyones sympathy, so I > don't give a shit how > anyone feels when and if I die riding a motorcycle. > My girlfriend feels the > same way. Thusly, that counter-point of yours in > invalid. Sorry....but I don't see it that way. And all that I've gathered from your posts on this subject are the following: 1. For some reason you're really fired up over bikers who don't wear helments. I think your argument is: freedom of choice is a good thing, but only smart people should be able to exercise it. 2. You fit your own definition of 'retard' by taking part in numerous high-risk behaviors. Sorry to be harsh, but I'm just following your logic. > Kirt > > PS - if anything, the brakes being slightly out of > whack on my F4 has made > me a better rider, as I'm learning to be even more > smooth and have improved > my ability to judge corner entry speed and adjust > suitably via engine > braking and steering quicker. Engine braking on a 600cc inline four? I love it. And your brakes aren't 'slightly out of whack' if you post to the list 3 times about how fucking dangerous they are. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > To: "Kirt S." ; > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > digest for 06/29/00 > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > > people who die because they > > > are too fucking stupid to take care of > > > themselves. > > > > So when you and your [unsuspecting] passenger > ? wreck > > because you're cruising around on steep, twisty > > mountain roads with admittedly inadequate brakes, > > can we feel the same way? > > > > Talk about a hipocrite! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 10:41:42 2000 From: "Bill Creitz" To: Subject: Maryland roads, continued Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:41:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFE348.E2FC4FC0 Kurt S. and Bryan M., To continue our discussion of Maryland roads, south and west of Frederick... Bryan mentioned MD 77 across Catoctin Mountain and MD 550 from Thurmont to Fort Richie -- great roads, both. There's a spot near Fort Richie that's worth checking out. Approaching the fort gate on 550, turn right (down the hill), left (at the bottom of the hill) on Pennsylvania Road, then at the stop sign go straight onto Pen Mar High Rock Road. At the top of the long upgrade, park in the gravel area where the road takes a sharp left. There is a spectacular overlook here. This is a favorite launching spot for hang gliders (now that's one group that's crazier than motorcyclists!). Leaving Fort Richie, I like to take MD 491 south. It follows the ridge down to Smithsburg. Other good roads south and west of Frederick: Mountville Road, from New Design Road west to Jefferson (SSW of Frederick). MD 383 west from Jefferson. Where MD 383 takes a sharp right, go straight on Gapland Road, through Burkittsville and through Gathland State Park. Burnside Bridge Road: >From MD 67, take Trego Road north. In Mt. Briar (which is just an old house or two), left on Porterstown Road, then immediately bear left on Burnside Bridge Road (caution: there was detour around the best parts of Burnside Bridge Road last month). Trego Mountain Road between Trego and Harpers Ferry Road. Harpers Ferry Road between Sharpsburg and Sandy Hook. The north end of Harpers Ferry Road can be hard to find. On Main Street (MD 34) in Sharpsburg, turn south on Mechanic Street -- it becomes Harpers Ferry Road. Follow the Maryland Scenic Route signs. Sandy Hook gets overrun with picnickers and innertube rafters on summer weekends, so watch for pedestrians. Follow the road -- first under the railroad tracks, then around the end of the mountain and over the railroad tracks. MD 17 between Brunswick and MD 77. I'm looking for suggestions on good roads in the mountains west of Hagerstown. Any ideas? Bill Creitz 98 Road King ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFE348.E2FC4FC0 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Creitz;William;W. 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Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 15:20:35 2000 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: ATV restriction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill, Not knowing the background of the law, can you shed some more light?? By this new law are they saying that it is illegal to own and store an ATV/ORV within city limits?? Or is it more sensible and banning ORV/ATV USE within city limits... If the latter, I don't see that as unreasonable at all...ORVs just don't have the noise reduction of a street going vehicle....I sure as hell wouldn't want someone riding a KXYZCR whatever around my neighborhood... I know how loud my KX125 is, and it has a stock pipe on it..... However, I'm all for the promotion of more LEGAL offroad riding areas.... too many of em are being pressured out of existance and it is very sad.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 15:39:19 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:39:09 EDT Subject: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were involved can post details if they'd like to. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 16:04:44 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:07:02 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki Subject: Saturday ride - not the best We had a glorious day for riding today. And 20+ people showed up at the Sheetz to ride. But you know what they way about the best laid plans... With that many people, we decided that it would be best to sub-divide into at least 2, if not 3, groups of riders -- with Danny taking the lead. Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my knowledge, was not seen again. The rest of us took Old Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton to get to Crest Rd. and then onto Flint Hill and 211. I was riding sweep and saw a bunch off guys both on and off motorcycles to the side of the road. My first thought was that someone went down. Fortunately, that was not the case. Broken chain. Rider on a Yam FZR (sorry, but I know I didn't meet everyone and I also know I can't remember everyone's names!) After finding out what had happened I continued up the road to catch Danny and the rest of the group. Well, I guess they figured out something was wrong because I eventually caught them back-tracking. Anyway, we re-grouped and hung out in a gravel driveway off the side of the road while Danny called his wife and asked her to bring his truck to load up the FZR to take back to wherever. Danny volunteered to stay and said he would catch up with us at the base of the mountain (Dixie gas/gift shop). Todd Peer got volunteered to lead the "front" group out to Flint Hill and 211. I led the "back" group out after giving Todd a few minutes head start. On the way up the mountain, I noticed Han Park (and his bike, purple F2) standing on the side of the road. He looked calm and relaxed so I figured he was just taking a break (strange place for a break) and/or waiting for us (but why?) It turns out that Han and Fred (having lost Sanath) beat everyone to the mountain and had made at least one (if not two) runs already (even before the front group). What I didn't know at the time was that Han had lowsided in one of the turns. Fortunately, he was OK (although I have absolutely no idea how his butt managed to survive sliding wearing only jeans!) As best we could tell, the damage was mostly cosmetic (scuffed up left side fairing and broken windshield). But the F2 was ridable. The culprit in this accident may have been the front tire. Upon inspection, it was more than apparent that the tire had seen better days. Further up the road, there was a bit of chaos with lots of bikes off to the side and lots of people giving the "slow down" signal. Apparently, Kirt Senser (F4) also lowsided. The culprit in this accident was in all likelihood sand/gravel in the road. Bannon was riding in front of Kirt and he said he felt his back end step out and then looked in his mirrors and saw Kirt going down. BTW, I didn't witness either Han's or Kirt's crashes so others may have better details about what happened. Anyway, Kirt was/is OK. For those that are wondering, Aerostitch suits work! But his bike was/is not. The damage was more than cosmetic. In fact, it was not ridable back down the mountain. I went to the top and turned around to re-group with whoever was either at the top and/or following me. I then went back down the mountain and just waited/chilled at the Dixie gas/gift shop (there were already lots of lots of people helping out at the side of the road). Eventually, everyone drifted back down the mountain and parked it. Kirt caught a ride on the back of someone's m/c and left his F4 up on the mountain. We all waited for Danny to show up to figure out how best to handle this particular situation. When he finally did, Danny called the Honda Owner's Club to get a truck to come out to get Kirt's bike. Once again, Danny volunteered to stick around until help arrived. I was running out of riding time, so announced that I was heading back to civilization. Todd Peer led those who still wanted to ride up over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal. Hopefully, the rest of their ride was uneventful. A handful of us basically back-tracked on most of the roads we rode out on and went back to Marshall and eventually got on I-66 (at 15) to drone back in. I know I got 200 miles of riding, but definitely not "quality" miles. Certainly, not the best of days riding. I am glad that Han and Kirt are OK (even though there bikes are in various states of not-OK). I hope the rest of the ride with Todd went OK for everyone. I would've like to joined, but had to be home at 2pm and got home pretty much on time. I'm still doing the Monday ride leaving from The Java Shack at 9:30am (meet for espressos/lattes at 9am). We'll go up into Montgomery and Frederick Counties. 2-3 hours of riding. I've got some roads I want to check out so the pace won't be blistering. Everyone have a safe and happy 4th of July! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 16:05:46 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:08:11 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES Fred, I hate hearing this! I just posted to the list saying I hoped all went well on the continuation of the ride led by Todd. Not good news. Chuck FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were > involved can post details if they'd like to. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 17:04:33 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: big mistake-lesson learned Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:10:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFE37F.47D42360 When I first started reading the list, I never spoke up, but as a = beginner rider, I learned from everything that was talked about. Today = I did something really stupid and I hate to admit it, but hopefully = beginner riders will learn from my mistake and experienced riders will = be reminded to always think clearly. As not to go into the details for fear of embarrassing the hell out of = myself, lol, I will just give you a general word of advice. When you begin to ride in groups, make sure you know that whatever = decision the person in front of you makes may not be the best decision = for you. As a rider, you have to remember that what you decide = ultimately affects you, so think clearly before deciding to do anything = (especially while passing a car when you can't fully see what is coming = the other direction.) I made an assumption today that could have gotten = me in a serious wreck. It scared the hell out of me. The decision the = rider in front of me made was right for him because he had a better view = of the road, but it wasn't right for me, and I almost learned a real = hard lesson..as I would have been the new hood ornament on the car = coming the other direction. We all make mistakes, that's part of riding, and I definitely learned = from mine. Not only did I do something stupid, but I'm sure I scared = the crap out of the driver of the car. Think clearly and ride safe. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFE37F.47D42360
When I first started reading the list, = I never=20 spoke up, but as a beginner rider, I learned from everything that was = talked=20 about.  Today I did something really stupid and I hate to admit it, = but=20 hopefully beginner riders will learn from my mistake and experienced = riders will=20 be reminded to always think clearly.
 
As not to go into the details for fear = of=20 embarrassing the hell out of myself, lol, I will just give you a general = word of=20 advice.
 
When you begin to ride in groups, make = sure you=20 know that whatever decision the person in front of you makes may not be = the best=20 decision for you.  As a rider, you have to remember that what you = decide=20 ultimately affects you, so think clearly before deciding to do anything=20 (especially while passing a car when you can't fully see what is = coming=20 the other direction.)  I made an assumption today that could = have=20 gotten me in a serious wreck.  It scared the hell out of me.  = The=20 decision the rider in front of me made was right for him because he had = a better=20 view of the road, but it wasn't right for me, and I almost learned a = real hard=20 lesson..as I would have been the new hood ornament on the car coming the = other=20 direction.
 
We all make mistakes, that's part of = riding, and I=20 definitely learned from mine.  Not only did I do something stupid, = but I'm=20 sure I scared the crap out of the driver of the car. Think clearly and = ride=20 safe.
 
Laura Granato
'99 Suzuki GS500
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFE37F.47D42360-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 18:11:21 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:11:21 -0400 First thing I want to say is that I'm sorry. Accidents happen, and I'm sorry one had to happen to me while on this group ride, and summarily have said accident screw up/slow down the ride for everyone else. Secondly, I want to thank EVERYONE that helped me out after the accident, and I extend extra special thanks to Danny Thompson. Danny helped me out a bunch, by getting my bike towed via HRCA, and then getting me hooked up with the good guy sover a Blalock cycles. On to the crash details. I believe it was probably about six or so of the sharper turns into the twisty parts of 211, a sharp slightly uphill lefthander (immediately followed by a relatively sharp right hander). I had already slid tires two or three times so far, as it seemed like there might have been stuff in a few of the earlier turns, and Bannon agreed with me on this after the wreck. Thusly, I was going (relatively) slowly, and as I leaned into the turn everything looked good. The bike felt settled, I was in a good position, hanging off a little, and everything was working good. I didn't go in to hot or anything, but right as I was apexing (is that a word?) in the middle of the turn, I saw that there was an *awful lot* of what appeared to be sand in the turn, from about a foot over in the oncoming lanes to a good 4 feet inside the lane I was in. I had a quick decision to make, and figured 1.) I can stand the bike up, and try to swing wide around it (which probably would've left me in the ditch on the side of the road), or 2.) I could stay on the gas and hopefully maybe slide a little and have the tires catch and continue on. Well, I chose 2, smoothly continued rolling on the gas, didn't change my steering input at all (going deeper into the turn would've still resulted in sand and also me going into oncoming traffic), and thought to myself "oh shit, I hope I pull through ok...". Obviously I didn't, and almost instantaneously upon hitting the sand, the bike went down. I let go when I realized it was un-recoverable, and ended up on my chest, and the quicly on my back sliding down the road after my bike. Last I saw, the bike was spinning along on the alternator cover. I don't know how the bike hit the ditch, but I think it went in topside first, leading with the tail. I slid to a stop, and thanfully the VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who was behind me managed to not run me over. :-) Then came the long string of expletives aimed at the sky, and a quick look down at myself to make sure everything was attached. Basically, about 6-7 people stopped with me, helped me get it out of the ditch, and I rolled it back down the road a little bit to a clearing on the side of the road. To make a long story short, I have escaped with virtually no injuries, excepting being quite sore, a bruised ego, and a serious bout of depression rolling in as I write this. I rode down with Bob on his ST1100, and then we waitied for Danny. Danny called the HRCA, arranged for towing, and kept me company when everyone else (understandably) went on their way. A fellow on an EX500 (I think) stayed too, although I'm crappy with names and couldn't tell you his to save my life. Thanks to him too. :-) Here's what's damaged... -Fairing Upper and windshield crushed (somehow) on their way into the ditch. -Instrument Panel crushed underneath Fairing Upper -All the left side plastic -Tail plastic on the side that touched the groung, and also numerous scratches along the top (?!?) -HUGE dent on both side of the wheel (in the same place), but with no scratches presumably from something that occured in the ditch. Loss of tire pressure too. -Alternator Cover (duh) -Shift Lever -Turn Signal -Left Footpeg -Left Clipon and bar-end -Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting/didn't notice yet (like the forks...pretty sure these are shot) However, I can't say enough good things about my Aerostich. Considering what happened, my Roadcrafter is in pretty damn good shape. Both knees are shot, and there are numerous scuff marks all over from sliding. It did save my body pretty damn good though, and I'm going to be sending it home to the Aerostich Factory to get fixed up. Can't say the same about my gloves, although they did the job, the left glove (Dainese) is missing almost the entire area that covers the "heel" of your palm. My hand is in great shape, and only has little scratches. These scratches actually occured at the very end of the slide, when I put my hand down to see if I was still sliding. I was. The hole already ground through the glove let a little skin touch, but at that point I was probably only sliding at about 10 mph. Boots are in pretty good shape, and so is my helmet, although I will be double checking that thoroughly tonight. Tank bag is ruined and was thrown from the bike during the accident. So there you have it. The thing that kills me the most about it though, is where the fuck did that sand come from. This was like *SAND* not, gravel, not even the dirt that's on the side of the road on 211. It's like sand that you would find at the beach, and there was PLENTY of it... Maybe it fell off somoenes car or truck or something. Ah well....gonna go call my insurance company now. Thanks again to everyone, and I'm sorry I screwed up the ride... Kirt Senser 99 F4 (wounded) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 18:39:30 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: rides today... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:29:43 -0700 is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to read more and more like DC Sportbiker... Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. Be it from lack of maintenance on the riders part (the chain and front tire today), to lack of awareness of your surroundings (the bent rims, and sand episode). And then the all-to-common 'riding over your head' episodes. Yea, I can think of a thousand excuses for all of them too.. so save it. Maybe it's time for everyone to reevaluate what riding means to them.. are you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? If so, then allow your tires to go bald, skip the regular maintenance and upkeep on the bike and continue riding in your traditional reckless manor. But perhaps you should also hang a sign on your bike so the people who don't want to accept YOUR risks can quietly depart to have a fun and SAFE ride by themselves. But those are the people it's relatively easy to pick out of a crowd... what about those who just don't pay attention to their surroundings? Well, those people are a little harder to finger until they toss a bike, or pull a bonehead move infront of others. That's mostly true with those who ride over their heads. And, yes.. I've been guilty of all of the above.. and I got tired of the shit being on my conscious all the time. I fixed the bike and haven't had a problem with it since.. I got onto the racetrack to raise my ability on the bike so I wasn't pushing my limits so damn much when out with groups and riding with friends. And I made the mental change to open my eyes more, though that still does slip every now and again where I invite trouble. But the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to the bikes or ourselves. I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. *shaking his head* Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 19:46:10 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:45:56 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/00 18:14:29 Eastern Daylight Time, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: > Well, I chose 2 And a good choice it was too... A lowside is almost always better than a highside - especially if there are guard rails involved so that one is launched out into space for an indeterminate distance. Glad to hear that the safety gear did its stuff Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 21:24:32 2000 From: "No Body" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bpwysoc@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:24:22 EDT >Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off >of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really >noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we >were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, >somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my >knowledge, was not seen again. I was riding with Fred and Han when a nice stretch of road appeared before, us, unable to resist, I took off for a quick zip up the road not realising that the turnoff was coming up. To make a long story short I rode back the way I came, rode up and down some roads could not find anyone, called my girlfriend at home to read me ride direction (I knew I should have printed them out) from the email, didnt think I would be able to catch up, so rode home with some random riders. Sorry to hear about all the mishaps on this ride, hope Kirt and Han will be back in action soon. This is a three out of three for me, every DC-Cycles ride I have been on, something has happened -mass ticketing, falling on my ass, that guy hitting a pot hole denting his rims etc. I guess you live and learn, still love group rides and will be on that ride on Monday. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 22:32:30 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:33:56 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/00 > From: "Brian McCoy" > Subject: rides today... > Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:29:43 -0700 > is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to > read more and more like DC Sportbiker... > > Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself > included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. > .. > are > you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the > risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's > property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? .. > > I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial > day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - > but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, > I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through > e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. > > *shaking his head* > > Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. I think you're overreacting just a hair. As others say constantly, in a group situation ride your own ride. My day certainly wasn't "ruined" by the mishaps. I'm sure the riders who went down consider their days were "ruined" far more than any inconvenience I experienced. The aftermath of the incidents were handled in a responsible manner. If I ever overcook a turn on 211 I hope there's a group around to help me out, instead of relying on other motorists or the state troopers. I don't let the mob mentality take over. If I feel I'm not up to riding at the group pace, I slow down, pull over, turn around, go off on my own, etc. That said, I did feel the pace was a little too aggressive for me on the back roads, especially in the narrow cow path leading up to Flint Hill when the yellow line disappears. I spent the balance of day riding solo. After we split up at the Dixie, I rode up to Winchester to drop in on a friend and then came east via 50, Mt. Weather and Snickersville Tpk. By the way, I was on the Nighthawk today and it was my first DC-Cycles ride. Thinking about going on the Monday ride too, if it's still on. -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 23:22:54 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:24:03 -0700 I don't think I did/am overreacting in the least. One can talk all they want about 'riding your own ride' and 'be safe'... the law of averages seems to be demonstrating that people attending DC-Cycles rides this years are unable to control their vehicles in an appropriate manor for the speeds they are riding. Obviously, there are always those people who have the experience to ride through such situations (like everyone else who rode through the sand on 211..) I'm just saying that instead of saying 'Oh, it was the Sands fault I crashed', or 'I couldn't help that my chain came apart'... whatever other situations there might be (I'm using these 2 because they're documented in todays posts), that you stop and thoroughly analyze why the situation might have occurred, and what could have been done to keep it from happening... hell, how to protect against it in the future. It's something that EVERYONE must do if you're riding in a group.... do you Really want to be the bike right behind someone who looses a chain because they haven't replaced a missing master link clip - not only might you have to watch someone crash right infront of you, but frequently those things come flying violently rearward. It hurts being hit with bugs and little tiny pebbles.. you want to have a chain whack you across the chest? Everyone that's gone on a group ride knows full well where their comfort limits are, and I'm willing to bet that at some time, everyone's ridden outside those limits. Everyone SHOULD know basic maintenance things to check on a bike, and if they aren't up to par - don't go out with a group. As for always being aware, I remember my first 'group' ride with Glenn Dyasrt and 3 others (don't recall the names)... there was a new rider on a 95? VFR behind me, didn't notice us stopping OR didn't have the experience to stop his bike quickly enough and he clipped my arm and mirror with his and she went by... a couple inches to the right and we both would have had an end to riding that day, and maybe for quite some time. You're NOT just endangering your life and livelihood when riding in a group and you should act accordingly damnit! Everyone on these rides should be an adult (I don't imagine to many younger people being online and able to afford a motorcycle - I think Brad Fass is one of the youngest...) As a working adult, you should also know your responsibilities and act in an appropriate manor. If you want to get wild and ride hard on the streets... find a group of likeminded people (WSDYMFG comes to mind - as a previous member) and go play amongst yourselves. *sighs* I remember a time where there were NO crash reports on the group rides - those were reserved for Collin and I from the racetrack... now it seems that more people are tossing it away on the streets while the racers are keeping the shiny side up. I'd just love to see the trend go towards EVERYONE staying on 2 wheels (or intermittent 1 if that's your choice :) ALL the time. Think about it. Brian McCoy - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:23:28 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Brian McCoy" , "dc" Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 00:30:23 -0400 I'm sorry that you feel so disappointed with the list at this moment, but I don't think that everyone should be talked down to, as some people (probably most) take excellent care of their bikes and ride responsibly. Yes, there are some people that don't take care of their bikes as well as others, and yes, there are people that push their limits, but from what many people tell me (I think you, too, at some point) that you HAVE to push your limits at some point to learn. Not all of us have an interest in racing or the capabilities to get into it, so we just have to accept learning on the street in uncontrolled conditions that may not be prime for increasing confidence, abilities, etc. Many of us ride for the pure enjoyment of riding, not because we want to see who we can outrace from point A to point B. I am truly happy for you that you are not having the said *incidents* that some of us are having, but the way that I see it...this list is a place to share our thoughts about riding and learn from each other. So, today I learned my lesson, AND I learned to make sure that my tires are well taken care of and that my bike always has proper maintenance. I think that is something positive to think about. I think it may have been a little harsh to say you're glad you're not in the area as much...I know for a fact that if you were in the area, you'd be right there enjoying the ride and helping those out who did have problems instead of blasting them. Just had to give my opinion. Sounds like you must be having a bad day. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian McCoy To: dc Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: rides today... > is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to > read more and more like DC Sportbiker... > > Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself > included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. > Be it from lack of maintenance on the riders part (the chain and front tire > today), to lack of awareness of your surroundings (the bent rims, and sand > episode). And then the all-to-common 'riding over your head' episodes. > Yea, I can think of a thousand excuses for all of them too.. so save it. > Maybe it's time for everyone to reevaluate what riding means to them.. are > you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the > risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's > property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? If so, then > allow your tires to go bald, skip the regular maintenance and upkeep on the > bike and continue riding in your traditional reckless manor. But perhaps > you should also hang a sign on your bike so the people who don't want to > accept YOUR risks can quietly depart to have a fun and SAFE ride by > themselves. But those are the people it's relatively easy to pick out of a > crowd... what about those who just don't pay attention to their > surroundings? Well, those people are a little harder to finger until they > toss a bike, or pull a bonehead move infront of others. That's mostly true > with those who ride over their heads. > > And, yes.. I've been guilty of all of the above.. and I got tired of the > shit being on my conscious all the time. I fixed the bike and haven't had a > problem with it since.. I got onto the racetrack to raise my ability on the > bike so I wasn't pushing my limits so damn much when out with groups and > riding with friends. And I made the mental change to open my eyes more, > though that still does slip every now and again where I invite trouble. But > the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride > with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to > the bikes or ourselves. > > I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial > day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - > but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, > I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through > e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. > > *shaking his head* > > Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:51:47 2000 From: "Frank Wegerich" To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 00:55:15 -0400 I think you're right, can't be that 4 people go down during these rides. Even one is one to many. I was on this ride and it was not fun dragging the bikes out of the ditch. Nobody got hurt seriously (thank god) but it seems to be just a matter of time until somebody does .... Frank RT1100 -----Original Message----- From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 23:24 To: dc Subject: Re: rides today... I don't think I did/am overreacting in the least. One can talk all they want about 'riding your own ride' and 'be safe'... the law of averages seems to be demonstrating that people attending DC-Cycles rides this years are unable to control their vehicles in an appropriate manor for the speeds they are riding. Obviously, there are always those people who have the experience to ride through such situations (like everyone else who rode through the sand on 211..) I'm just saying that instead of saying 'Oh, it was the Sands fault I crashed', or 'I couldn't help that my chain came apart'... whatever other situations there might be (I'm using these 2 because they're documented in todays posts), that you stop and thoroughly analyze why the situation might have occurred, and what could have been done to keep it from happening... hell, how to protect against it in the future. It's something that EVERYONE must do if you're riding in a group.... do you Really want to be the bike right behind someone who looses a chain because they haven't replaced a missing master link clip - not only might you have to watch someone crash right infront of you, but frequently those things come flying violently rearward. It hurts being hit with bugs and little tiny pebbles.. you want to have a chain whack you across the chest? Everyone that's gone on a group ride knows full well where their comfort limits are, and I'm willing to bet that at some time, everyone's ridden outside those limits. Everyone SHOULD know basic maintenance things to check on a bike, and if they aren't up to par - don't go out with a group. As for always being aware, I remember my first 'group' ride with Glenn Dyasrt and 3 others (don't recall the names)... there was a new rider on a 95? VFR behind me, didn't notice us stopping OR didn't have the experience to stop his bike quickly enough and he clipped my arm and mirror with his and she went by... a couple inches to the right and we both would have had an end to riding that day, and maybe for quite some time. You're NOT just endangering your life and livelihood when riding in a group and you should act accordingly damnit! Everyone on these rides should be an adult (I don't imagine to many younger people being online and able to afford a motorcycle - I think Brad Fass is one of the youngest...) As a working adult, you should also know your responsibilities and act in an appropriate manor. If you want to get wild and ride hard on the streets... find a group of likeminded people (WSDYMFG comes to mind - as a previous member) and go play amongst yourselves. *sighs* I remember a time where there were NO crash reports on the group rides - those were reserved for Collin and I from the racetrack... now it seems that more people are tossing it away on the streets while the racers are keeping the shiny side up. I'd just love to see the trend go towards EVERYONE staying on 2 wheels (or intermittent 1 if that's your choice :) ALL the time. Think about it. Brian McCoy - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:57:39 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 00:59:50 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: pawilson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/00 Paul, The Monday ride is still a go. If you want to have espressos/lattes beforehand, be at The Java Shack in Arlington (http://www.javashack.com) at 9am. We'll hit the road at 9:30am sharp as I absolutely, positively have to be home NLT 1pm, preferably 12:30. Plan on 2-3 hours of riding in Montgomery/Frederick Counties. Cheers, Chuck "Paul A. Wilson" wrote : > > By the way, I was on the Nighthawk today and it was my first DC-Cycles ride. > Thinking about going on the Monday ride too, if it's still on. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:58:39 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:01:00 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Brian McCoy CC: dc Subject: Re: rides today... Brian, As the guy who organized today's ride (but was not the official ride leader), let me just say that from what I could see (and I admit I couldn't see everything all the time), people were riding with their heads screwed on straight. Which is to say, not squidly in the least. I truly appreciate your words and thoughts of concern. And they are indeed good ones. Let's all make sure our m/c's are mechanically sound and that we're not running on stuff that needs to be replaced (tires, chains, etc.) And for sure, let's all be aware of what's going on and ride within our limits. I don't think DC-Cycles is turning into DC Sportbiker (and I only know about the latter by reputation and stories, having never ridden with those guys). I just think we've had a run of bad luck of late. Hopefully, things will get turned around. It might help if more folks offered up to lead rides. We could keep group sizes down (I think having 20+ riders may have somehow been a contributing factor to today's unfortunate incidents). And having different rides better geared to varying riding abilities. Right now, I'm just doing the best I can to get some/any rides organized! Regards, Chuck Brian McCoy wrote : > > is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to > read more and more like DC Sportbiker... -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 01:07:27 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:09:49 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles CC: Kirt Senser , Han Park , Danny Thompson , Todd Peer , Fred Grefe Subject: Everyone OK? (Saturday ride) I just wanted to check to make sure that everyone is OK after all that happened on today's ride. Kirt's posting confirms that he's doing more or less OK, but clearly his F4 isn't. Han? The guy on the FZR who snapped a chain? And the three other folks who apparently went down (according to Fred's post) who went with Todd Peer up and over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal via 678/675??? Chuck, aka Skittles -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 01:45:52 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:47:05 -0700 Ok.. I've had a couple people comment on the harshness of delivery on my notes.. that's not intended (bad week, don't ask). And I'm NOT trying to point a finger at anyone to single them out as being anything that I, myself, have not once been. I mean, some of the old timers will remember my VF500f.. the one with the cans that fell off constantly.. and that had no suspension.. the one I crashed a couple times on rides... I think that Everyone's guilty of the 3 main things I'm pointing out... unfortunately, *I* had to learn the hard way (the only way I ever learn anything) and I'm attempting to bring these issues to everyone attention. I can remember back when Collin and I did a lot of rides together.. heh, Collin breaking Every rule about a bike in decent keep with Pepe, but he also has a LOT of ability. Anyway, we'd wander through the parking lot looking over the bikes and making note of the ones that had excessive 'chicken stripes', ratty looking chains/sprockets and overly worn tires... those people would usually be watched pretty closely and I remember asking a couple people to ride at the very back of the faster group if they wanted to be there, or drop back a group. It's hard to try and be authoritative to people you generally don't know from Adam - but it does instill a little confidence in the other riders for not having to worry about those things. Chuck, it's Awesome that you're stepping up to try and lead the rides.. and you're 'learning' on the fly. It seems as if there wouldn't BE any group rides without you this summer. That's a good thing... try getting a 'second in command' that you implicitly trust so you're not working so hard. Be a little inquisitive and cautious - even if that means holding the pace down (I think you've made it clear you're not the fastest person on the road and those who want to scream on ahead can do so). At some point you'll notice that you get a lot of repeats and you'll know how they ride and take care of their stuff.... life gets easier because then you just have a few newbies coming along. In the end though... the ride 'leader' shouldn't HAVE to do anything mentioned above. It's the responsibility of the riders... this isn't a daycare afterall. Also, to drag up an old thread (that got hot) is the issue of protective gear... Most people wear at least a jacket, jeans helmet and gloves, but you'll run into those who don't from time to time (*ahem* a main reason behind a group of riders taking their rides private). Heck, if you ARE one of those who doesn't wear all the gear that'll prevent a majority of injury.. think about how many people are going to have to deal with your body in the middle of the road, perhaps bloody from extensive roadrash, perhaps unconscious because of an old or previously dropped/crashed helmet.. perhaps... well, I don't want to go on. Geez.. that brings on yet ANOTHER issue.. who's current on their first aid training? Especially for dealing with shock... anyone carry first-aid kits on their bikes? And so on.. and so on... there are bazillions of MC specific safety-nazi lists/web pages and organizations out there that can really sap the fun from riding. ANYWAY.... geez, where Was my main train of thought. Oh-yea.. people, if you're going to go on a group ride, tone it down! I think the first ride that Chuck led after the Memorial day fiasco was the only one so-far where there were no incidents.. see if you (the attending riders) can make Monday the 2nd. Though, I suppose... at the rate things are going now, all the 'questionable' will soon be out for awhile and unable to ride.. then slower and more cautious when they do join back up. Shoot, but what the hell do I know.. I'm just some 26 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 5 years. Brian McCoy - (I'll probably shut up for good here in a little bit) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:25:20 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:25:07 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/00 21:25:54 Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: > Sorry to hear about all the mishaps on this ride, hope Kirt and Han will be > back in action soon. This is a three out of three for me, every DC-Cycles > ride I have been on, something has happened -mass ticketing, falling on my > ass, that guy hitting a pot hole denting his rims etc. I guess you live and > learn, still love group rides and will be on that ride on Monday. One of the great things about group rides is that we get so MANY opportunities to learn... ;-) Michael J. (who did a short EARLY (07:15) ride with the CAMS on Saturday) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:42:46 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:42:28 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/00 23:24:27 Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > I'm just saying that instead of saying 'Oh, it > was the Sands fault I crashed', or 'I couldn't help that my chain came > apart'... whatever other situations there might be (I'm using these 2 > because they're documented in todays posts), that you stop and thoroughly > analyze why the situation might have occurred, and what could have been done > to keep it from happening As we age (and take longer to heal) we tend to become more cautious. Riding at 10/10ths is fine on the track where one has a controlled environment - groups of people cleaning debris from the pavement, looking out for obstructions ahead, trained medical people close by, etc., etc. One has to back way off from that pace on the street - you NEVER know what's happening around the corner and if you don't leave room to assess the situation and take corrective measures, you're a statistic. Maybe not the first time, but eventually. I'm a LOT faster in the 3rd slot or so of a group than I am when I'm in the lead - reaction time again - the lead bike(s) provide that time to me. Put me up front and I'm just another slow old fart on a motorcycle. The primary rule on the track applies to street rides - You can't win if you don't finish. Michael J. P.S. - For those who haven't read it (or those who haven't read it recently), here's a link to Nick Ienatsch's "The Pace": http://reality.sgi.com/jbrown_corp/pace.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:48:54 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:48:42 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 00:25:27 Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > this list is a place > to share our thoughts about riding and learn from each other Well said - the collective experience of the group is so much greater than any single individual's. Even if something is not immediately relevant to you, it is knowledge, and it increases your awareness. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:56:34 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:56:23 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 01:47:19 Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > Shoot, but what the hell do I know.. I'm just some 26 year old punk kid > who's only been riding for 5 years Brian - from a 54 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 39 years, hang in there. You are saying things that need to be said, and saying them well. If others are taking offence, perhaps they should be looking in the mirror a bit more closely. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 09:54:40 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:54:26 EDT Subject: Re: Everyone OK? (Saturday ride) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 1:07:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > And the three other folks who apparently went down > (according to Fred's post) who went with Todd Peer up and over Thornton > Gap and then up to Front Royal via 678/675??? It wasn't three additional people. I was counting the total for the ride. The two that you talked about + one more. Han had a small scrape on his arm, but seemed fine otherwise. The one on 678 crunched some mirrors and a little bodywork. The rider continued on and seemed none the worse for wear, although he's probably pretty sore about now. Fred GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 10:02:26 2000 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:02:23 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [mailto:FGrefe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:39 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES > > > 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were > involved can post details if they'd like to. Well, #3 was me, on my ST1100. And it was my fault, plain and simple. I've been riding for near 30 years, I've raced (although it's been a long time), and in general I feel pretty confident about my abilities and think I know my limits. But this time I made a mistake. Several of them, actually. I was riding quite fast, but well within the limits of the bike, judging by the prior miles, where I kept up with the fast group without dragging anything. On a relatively benign left hand sweeper, easier than a lot of turns I'd already been through, I just plain blew it. I'm not sure if I just misjudged the degree of curve, my speed, or lost my concentration for a moment, or what. But I found myself too close to the outside edge, going too fast. I heeled it over even more, but the ST steers pretty damn slow, and I must have put a tire in the grass (there's no shoulder there at all). That was all it took. The tires lost grip, the bike low sided, slid through the tall grass, and into a ditch. It flipped over onto the right side, I think when the tires hit the bottom of the ditch. But damn, I'm lucky in spite of that. I went down on grass, not asphalt, so no serious damage to the bodywork. The only things obviously broken are the right side mirror shell, the mirror assembly (which is going to be expensive--not only did the glass break, but the casting that bolts to the fairing broke, too. The left hand tip-over wing cover is toast. On further examination this morning, it appears the fairing frame may be tweaked. Although the left side mirror & housing didn't break, the mirror no longer lines up with the plastic housing. There's a small crack in the inner fairing, next to the instrument pod. I don't think it will need anything more than a little glue, though. And that's it. Almost no scratches (thank that long grass). The bags are fine, the bodywork is fine, except for what I think is a boot scrape across the top of the tank. I rode it home, at a slower pace, without incident. Me? My back is pretty damn sore, and I've got a deep scratch on one leg (the pants aren't torn, though. My biggest mistake, I think, was forgetting that I don't have much time in on the ST, especially not on fast sweepers. On my last bike, a Hawk GT, I would have pulled it out, I think. But the ST is heavier, and steers and changes direction much more slowly. At the beginning of the ride I told myself I'd ride moderately, simply because I didn't have a lot of experience with it. But as things got going, and I felt more comfortable, the old competitive urges kicked in and away I went. Stupid. Second mistake, not paying enough attention. I've been through sweepers like that thousands of times. The road was good, the bike was capable of that speed, I should have made it easily. Clearly, *I* blew it. It wasn't the road's fault, or the grass' fault, it was mine. Going too fast for MY conditions. Third mistake, not leaving myself more of a cushion on public roads. This relates to at least one of the other accidents, too. When you're on the street, you have to expect you're going to run into the unexpected. Roads have sand on them--drive slowly enough so that you can change direction before you hit it. There ARE distractions on the road. Don't ride at speeds that require 100% concentration, cause you probably won't maintain that level of concentration for very long. Don't let your hormones override your common sense. Oh, well, a relatively inexpensive reminder that I'm not 25 anymore, I'm not riding a pocket rocket anymore, and I'm not on a race track. Most important though, it wasn't anyone else's fault. Not Chuck's for planning the ride, not Danny's for (trying to) lead it. And most definitely not Todd's. I really wasn't trying to keep up with him. I was just having a whole big ball of fun, and overdid it. Except for this one corner, I had a blast. And I urge Chuck and Danny to continue leading rides. I think it's time to try to convince the wife I need TWO motorcycle. One with much less weight and quicker handling. Thanks to Chuck, Danny and Todd, and thanks to the riders who pushed me out of the ditch, I afraid I don't remember your names. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 10:48:49 2000 From: "Han Park" To: Subject: Scrapped pegs Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:50:55 -0400 Well I got my pegs down at 211 yesterday, unfortunately I also got my frame sliders down as well. First of all I would like to thank Fred (sorry don't know your last name) for helping me out after the crash and getting me to 211 (we got separated from the group). Fred showed a lot more smarts than me in managing the accident and his level headedness really helped me out. Thanks to everyone else who offered words of concern. Thanks to the group I went home with as well. I am sorry for crashing and I shouldn't have been riding as hard on that front as I did. I thought it would hold up since Fred and I had made 2 passes before that and I had gone as hard on those passes and nothing funny happened with the bike (no twitching or nothing, just totally stable which I think contributed to my confidence level). Also the funny thing is that there was no warning sign. The bike felt great up to the crash. Okay here's the details... Oh one other thing I consider my self very lucky. I had minimal damage considering the speed of the crash. As I said this was the third run on the mountain. It was uphill. We had gone through a couple of curves and entered this left hander. It was one of those 211 banked almost 180 switch back lefts. I went in and the bike felt great just passed the apex (or maybe at the apex) I heard the peg touch down, a split second later the front just let go and I was sliding with my bike in front of me. It was very strange, one moment I'm enjoying the corner, the next I'm thinking "damn I just went down". It was like when you see someone lose the front on the track midway through a turn, one minute they're riding the next they're sliding (although I'm making no comparisons in skill level :) ). I think I was so surprised by what happened and that helped me just stay relaxed while sliding (too dumb and slow to figure out what was going on). Oh the other thing that saved my ass and my bike big time were the frame sliders I put on. The two holes I had to cut in my fairing to install them are well worth it. Anyways the front let go and the bike just slide out from under me. The frame sliders saved the bike from serious injury (see damage report below). The bike slid off the road and into the ditch with its wheels leading. I was leaned left before the turn and after the bike went down I was sliding on my left buttocks and then my back for the rest of the way. It was like a snow boarding slide when you do a hard back carve and hit some ice and the board slides out. It's damn amazing I don't have more road rash on my butt. Yes I was just wearing jeans, the only damage was the left pocket got ripped off (Is that amazingly lucky?). My cordura jacket has some scuffing on the left elbow (I mean real minor). I think the fact that I was really leaned over in the turn helped to minimize damage as well. I was basically falling 1-2 feet. Also the frame sliders kept the bike off the ground and from pinning my left leg under it (which could have caused real damage). I can not reiterate enough the frame sliders rocked. I really think they saved me $1000 worth of bike damage and who knows how much road rash and crushed bones in my left leg. There were two ladies in the pick up truck behind me who said they saw it and were riders themselves. They said one moment I was in the turn and the next the bike was sliding. One of them said "You put it down just the way it was supposed to." Hmm I can't ride, but I can crash like no one's business :) . They also helped out and I would like to thank them although they will probably never read this. Damage: - me: Scratches on my elbow and left butt cheek. Very minor, I've had worst dayafters following tackle football. - bike: Lost the fuse cover, left peg feeler, broken windscreen, scratches on the left sidemirror and fairing, frame slider had 0.5-1 inch removed from the end, shifter lever had material removed from the end, small scratch on the end of the swing arm. Really pretty minor damage. The scuffing isn't that bad, from a distance you can't even tell. I had one of my neighbors walk by after I got it home and say nice bike! I just said thanks as I went inside. I will be replacing the windscreen and getting a new left peg feeler and that's it! I can live with the scratches. Okay what have I learned: I need a new front! Anyone know where I can get a front mounted and balanced? I need better lower body protection. Yes I came away unscathed but I consider myself VERY lucky. The funny thing is I just ordered some kevlar lined jeans a week ago. I will be getting some heavy duty work boots today. Frame sliders rock (I think I'm going to cover my bike with them : ) ). Oh finally I'm a dummy for riding as hard on that front. The accident was no one's fault but my own. Fred, please send me an e-mail so I can buy you a beer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:13:44 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Yesterday's Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Per Kirt's description of his mishap yesterday, I was the "VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who was behind me managed to not run me over. :-)" I can attest to the sand in the road that he mentioned, in case anyone doubts that it even existed. I was riding immediately behind Kurt in a somewhat staggered fashion...entering the uphill, left-banked turn, I was several yards behind him off the back-right outside of his bike. And luckily for the both of us, I was in that position, behind him on the outside, rather than immediately behind him, which could have potentially caused a much more serious accident. When we were cruising through that turn, my eyes lit up like deer in headlights when I all of a sudden saw him "transition" from a deep angle lean to a slide. When he hit the ground, I saw him tumbling in the road in front of me, and at the same time saw his bike torpedoing in a straight trajectory toward the outside of the enbankment, directly in front of the path of my heavily-leaned bike. The first thing that crossed my mind was, "F%$*ck!! DO NOT hit him!!", as I quickly stood up, rolled off throttle, and hit the FRONT brake (as the back would have just put me right in his exact position!) After swerving right to avoid him, I was then thinking I was about to follow his bike straight into that ravine...only with me on it!! Luckily, that didn't happen here. But most importantly, I am EXTREMELY RELIEVED that a 1-biker mishap with major bike damage was simply that, as opposed to a 2-biker mishap with significant body damage to both parties, which was just a split second away from reality. And as I said earlier...I totally attest to the fact that the middle of the road looked more like the beaches of Outer Banks than the Shenandoah Mountains. Lessons learned here: 1) The usual "ride within your own limits". That turn, with the abundance of strategically placed sand at EXACTLY the WRONG place for a cornering motorcyclist, would have taken MANY bikers down. 2) Try to be aware of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE AROUND and IN FRONT OF you. I'm not sure if he would have been able to steer clear (outside) of the sand if he had seen it just a 1/4 second earlier, but if he had been able to, be sure reaction time and eye-hand-coordination is at it its best! 3) When following a rider through twisties like these, be sure to position yourself at a safe enough distance to allow for an escape trajectory and braking procedure in case the rider in front of you goes down [worse case scenario]. After all, we're not out on the track here, folks!! Just fun, please rides!! We don't need to tail riders in front of us...and we certainly don't need to try to pass the bikes in front of us on corners. Incidentally, I was also the rider immediately following the first guy who blew out his chain. We were all cruising at a very moderate pass down a long straight-away, when all of a sudden, I see his chain bust apart and start spinning rapidly! My first reaction there was another "F&%*ck!" as I quickly slowed down, fearing that the chain might either: a) grab his rear wheel and lock it up somehow, or b) come flying back toward me! Another example of why it's important to practice conservative following distances!! Finally [okay...I must be bad luck here!!]...I was the rider who was immediately IN FRONT OF the guy who went down on the ST1100 on 678 (the small group of 6 bikes that Todd Peer led over Thornton Gap after leaving Dixies). I remember us cruising the twisties, myself being #3 and the guy on the ST1100 immediately behind me the entire time. The weird thing was that I was very impressed with how he was hanging with us (even on his much heavier, hard-bag laden sport-tourer!) through a bunch of very fast, but tight, twisties; but then all of a sudden, when the roads became much less technical, I looked in my rear-view, and he was simply gone!! From what he said, he just simply made a [self-proclaimed] stupid mistake, and let the bike go a little too wide on a left turn, caught some grass, and then slid out. VERY MINOR damage to the bike, and luckily to himself (with even just jeans on, no injuries at all!) But I'll let him fill in the details... Well, 1 day of riding...250 miles (for some)....21 bikes...3 of which went down...1 out of commission with a blown chain...1 ride organizer riding sweeper most of the day...and 1 ride leader spending more time on the phone trying to arrange clean-ups of out-of-commissioned and downed bikes than he was able to spend riding! Not the most impressive of numbers. Hopefully Chuck's ride tomorrow will be much less eventful! Thanks a bunch, though, to both Chuck (for organizing the ride) and Danny (for not only leading it but arranging towing services and staying to help the 2 bikers who needed it, ultimately sacrificing a good day of riding for himself!!) Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:24:07 2000 From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chatterbox Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:23:57 EDT Is the FRS model that much better? I haven't played with one yet and may do the upgrade deal. Aside from the extended range, how is the clarity and interference? Are any of the components compatible? like the speakers and mic? Or do I have to replace all that's in my helmet and passenger lid? TIA Rob '98 VFR800 /But with $100 trade in on your old one it's a good deal... not like /you'd ever go back to a limited 49MHz unit again after trying FRS. / /Collin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:36:15 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:36:01 EDT Subject: Yesterday's Ride and Lessons Learned To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been monitoring the lists comments about the recent accidents and the lessons learned that you glean and share from these incidents. What you are doing is an excellent example of educating each other of lessons learned and hazards that exist out there. I don;t know if anyone is appointed safety officer or historian, but if you were to go back and collect the emails that have been written in the past, you could provide an excellent resource for present and future riders. And this is why its important. The Sport Bike sector is young and growing. Whether your recognize it or not, you are becoming the "gray beards" of your breed by virtue of the rapid acquisition of experience and the rather remarkable manner in which you share lesson learned. If someone were to compile your previous emails, it would make an excellent article for either Iron Biker or Thunder Press. Well done. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:44:23 2000 From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:44:13 EDT First of all, thanks to Chuck for heading up another day of group riding. And another round of thanks to Danny for being the leader and group 'dad'. As for the downed bikes, sorry to see the damage, but glad everyone was not hurt. There is no substitute for good gear! (Shameless plug for 'stich!) Han, please...PLEASE get a new front tire and maybe some race pants! Kirt, absolutely no need to apologize to any of us. I still had a fun day of riding, and enjoyed being part of the group. Hopefully I'll see some of you on tomorrow's ride. Rob '98 VFR800 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 13:00:16 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Leather Cleaning Q Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & conditioned in the MD suburbs? I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke and it REALLY needs a cleaning! Thanks, -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 13:59:32 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:06:31 -0400 > > Brian - from a 54 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 39 years, hang > in there. You are saying things that need to be said, and saying them well. > If others are taking offence, perhaps they should be looking in the mirror a > bit more closely. > > Michael J. I agree! thanks for all of the advice, Brian. and hope you have a better week. :-) Laura Granato > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:17:13 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:19:37 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Brian McCoy CC: dc Subject: Re: rides today... Brian, I consider you one of the "old guys" and myself one of the "new guys" so I tried not read anything into your posting (not always easy with email). And I know all your words were meant as constructive criticism. Hopefully, we're all learning and storing away that knowledge for a rainy day -- well, not me 'cause I don't ride in the rain! %^) I certainly would be a much happy camper (and ride leader) if we can manage to keep everyone upright! FWIW, we do need a few more folks to step up to the plate and lead rides. I know some folks may not like (or be "intimidated") by my rides because they're populated predominantly by sportbikers. Although any and all are always welcome to join me on any ride I lead, I can certainly understand this situation. Unfortunately, a sportbike is what I ride and I enjoy "real world" sportbike riding (I enjoy the track even more, but it's harder to find the time/$$$ to get there!) So other non-sportbike riders need to come to the fore and organize rides. I'm not advocating segragation/discrimination here, just more diversity and choice. We have a lot of folks of varying abilities who ride different types of m/c's. If I'm the only person leading rides, there are a whole lot of people on the list who aren't being as well served by their fellow listers as they could be. So need to shut up, Brian! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles Brian McCoy wrote : > > Ok.. I've had a couple people comment on the harshness of delivery on my > notes.. that's not intended (bad week, don't ask). And I'm NOT trying to > point a finger at anyone to single them out as being anything that I, > myself, have not once been. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:19:06 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:21:33 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Everyone OK? (Saturday ride) Fred, Sorry about this mix up. While I'm not happy to learn that we had another rider go down later in the day, I am much happier to learn that we didn't have 3 more riders go down. Sorry for not reading/understanding your email correctly! Chuck, aka Skittles FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > It wasn't three additional people. I was counting the total for the ride. > The two that you talked about + one more. Han had a small scrape on his arm, > but seemed fine otherwise. The one on 678 crunched some mirrors and a little > bodywork. The rider continued on and seemed none the worse for wear, > although he's probably pretty sore about now. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:22:31 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:24:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Glenn Braunstein CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yesterday's Ride Uh Glenn, I'm not sure I want you on my ride tomorrow! %^) SEE THE SMILEY??? Chuck, aka Skittles Glenn Braunstein wrote : > > Per Kirt's description of his mishap yesterday, I was > the "VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who > was behind me managed to not run me over. :-)" > Incidentally, I was also the rider immediately > following the first guy who blew out his chain. > Finally [okay...I must be bad luck here!!]...I was the > rider who was immediately IN FRONT OF the guy who went > down on the ST1100 on 678 (the small group of 6 bikes > that Todd Peer led over Thornton Gap after leaving > Dixies). -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:31:36 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:31:19 EDT Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX writes: > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke and it > REALLY needs a cleaning! Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) (it counts as a shower, too) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:35:43 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:38:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Han Park CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Scrapped pegs Han, Obviously, I wasn't there and didn't see what happened, but here are my thoughts (FWIW) based on your description of what happened. 1. I would say that your front tire was probably the single biggest contributor to your fall. Please do yourself and everyone else a big favor -- buy a new one, dude! %^) And while you're at it, check your rear. Everyone will give you different recommendations about where to go to get a tire mounted and balanced; here's mine: Denny at Crossroads Cycles (703) 820-3711. He's probably not the cheapest (but almost for sure cheaper than a regular dealership), but still reasonable. 2. Since you said you touched a peg down, combined with the condition of your front tire, sounds like you had too much steering input (and, therefore, lean angle) for the front to grip. So -- as you said -- it just went away from you. Your crash sounds remarkably similar to mine at CSS@VIR. Although I can't blame the tires for my crash -- all rider-induced error (too much steering input resulting in too much lean angle resulting in riding off the edge of the tires, i.e., riding the wheels off the bike). And yes, IMHO you were incredibly lucky. I'm not a safety-Nazi or anything, but I would strongly suggest you get yourself some "real" protective gear. At a minimum, Kevlar jeans. And a jacket with armor. A 'Stich wouldn't be a bad idea. Or full leathers. And riding boots. I know it's $$$, but it will be $$$ well-spent for the peace of mind and the protection it will give you if you should ever need it again (hopefully not). If you're smart, do your homework, and shop around, you don't have to spend a fortune to get good quality (not the best or top-shelf, but still good stuff -- not cheap-o, cheesy stuff) protective gear. I am happy to hear that you're OK. And it sounds like your m/c is more or less OK. Hope you're back up and running soon! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck Han Park wrot : > > Well I got my pegs down at 211 yesterday, unfortunately I also got my > frame sliders down as well. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:42:50 2000 From: "Han Park" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: Subject: Re: Scrapped pegs Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:44:53 -0400 I think that sounds about right. I will be getting kevlar jeans and boots asap and a new d207zr front. Thanks! han ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Han Park Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Scrapped pegs > Han, > > Obviously, I wasn't there and didn't see what happened, but here are my > thoughts (FWIW) based on your description of what happened. > > 1. I would say that your front tire was probably the single biggest > contributor to your fall. Please do yourself and everyone else a big > favor -- buy a new one, dude! %^) And while you're at it, check your > rear. Everyone will give you different recommendations about where to > go to get a tire mounted and balanced; here's mine: Denny at Crossroads > Cycles (703) 820-3711. He's probably not the cheapest (but almost for > sure cheaper than a regular dealership), but still reasonable. > > 2. Since you said you touched a peg down, combined with the condition > of your front tire, sounds like you had too much steering input (and, > therefore, lean angle) for the front to grip. So -- as you said -- it > just went away from you. > > Your crash sounds remarkably similar to mine at CSS@VIR. Although I > can't blame the tires for my crash -- all rider-induced error (too much > steering input resulting in too much lean angle resulting in riding off > the edge of the tires, i.e., riding the wheels off the bike). > > And yes, IMHO you were incredibly lucky. I'm not a safety-Nazi or > anything, but I would strongly suggest you get yourself some "real" > protective gear. At a minimum, Kevlar jeans. And a jacket with armor. > A 'Stich wouldn't be a bad idea. Or full leathers. And riding boots. > I know it's $$$, but it will be $$$ well-spent for the peace of mind and > the protection it will give you if you should ever need it again > (hopefully not). If you're smart, do your homework, and shop around, > you don't have to spend a fortune to get good quality (not the best or > top-shelf, but still good stuff -- not cheap-o, cheesy stuff) protective > gear. > > I am happy to hear that you're OK. And it sounds like your m/c is more > or less OK. Hope you're back up and running soon! > > Cheers, > Skittles, aka Chuck > > Han Park wrot : > > > > Well I got my pegs down at 211 yesterday, unfortunately I also got my > > frame sliders down as well. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:47:06 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:49:30 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Brian McCoy , dc Subject: Re: rides today... OOPS! What I meant to type was that there's NO need for you to shut up, Brian! %^) Chuck "Charles V. Pena" wrote : > > So need to shut up, Brian! %^) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:50:10 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:52:37 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] Another Sad Note from th Racing World.....] Got this from the Suzuki list. Sorry if I'm re-posting info that y'all have gotten from other m/c lists. Greg McQuide and now Joey Dunlop. I am really bummed. Chuck -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] Another Sad Note from th Racing World..... Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 13:26:07 -0500 From: Jeff Wallace To: Suzuki-Bikes CC: marauder Another Sad note: TT Hero Dunlop Killed News from England this AM tells a sad tale. Isle of Man TT winner and British racing hero Joey Dunlop was killed in a street circuit race yesterday. Dunlop was racing at the 3.7-mile public roads circuit on the outskirts of the Estonian capital of Tallinn. He had won the 600 race earlier in the weekend, and the Superbike race on Sunday. Later that day he was killed in a crash during the 125cc race, while on the second lap. Dunlop, 48 was killed instantly and the event canceled after his crash. The Honda release states: "Dunlop scored his record 26th win at the Isle of Man TT races little more than three weeks ago. He began racing in 1969 and was a factory Honda rider for the past 18 years. The father of five was honored with both MBE and OBE awards for his humanitarian work in war torn countries." Ends _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 17:53:55 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: "Charles V. Pena" , Brian McCoy Cc: dc --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Brian, > > I consider you one of the "old guys" and myself one > of the "new guys" so > I tried not read anything into your posting (not > always easy with > email). And I know all your words were meant as > constructive > criticism. Hopefully, we're all learning and > storing away that > knowledge for a rainy day -- well, not me 'cause I > don't ride in the > rain! %^) I certainly would be a much happy camper > (and ride leader) if > we can manage to keep everyone upright! > > FWIW, we do need a few more folks to step up to the > plate and lead rides. What purpose will this serve? It sounds to me like the best thing for you guys to do is to attempt to get more organized.....putting together a group of riders who can spend time riding together and getting comfortable with one anothers' riding styles will help a lot more than 'mixing it up' every weekend. The latter is a proven recipe for disaster. Trust me, I've been on my share of DC Cycles rides over the past 4 years, and one thing that is consistent about them (the larger group rides, that is) is the inevitable get-off.... Now, there's nothing wrong with the occasional large-group tour up to Harper's Ferry for lunch (or whatever), but an aggressive sport ride should NOT involve riders who haven't ridden together before (unless the new riders are at the rear, attempting to get familiar with the "pack's" style). I would actually enjoy leading such an aggressive sport ride (and do so just about every weekend), but would rather not have to deal with the guilt from the fatality that WILL eventually occur if you continue to put 20+ testosterone-laden strangers with 100+hp land-rockets together (apparently 2-3 yards apart from one another) on unfamiliar, twisty mountain roads. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 18:06:59 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Advice on securing a bike I'm hoping to pull my bike out of storage next weekend and bring it to my apartment complex. I've always had a private/secure place to keep my bike so I've got a few questions. I have assigned parking, so I'll be putting the bike against the curb and parking my car behind it. I've got Kryptonite disc locks (2) and cable with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not have a center stand. I live in a soon-to-be-gated complex, so with any luck I'll manage to not have it stolen *fingers crosses*. I am concerned with the optimal way to park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off balance. >From what I can tell I'll be the only one here with a bike and I can see the kids being very curious about the shiny bike they know lives under the cover. Thanks in advance, Shannon From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 18:20:46 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:19:59 EDT Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike To: tansey@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2000 6:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tansey@XXXXXX writes: << From what I can tell I'll be the only one here with a bike and I can see the kids being very curious about the shiny bike they know lives under the cover. Thanks in advance, Shannon >> Post BIG sign on it stating that "All nosey kids will be SHOT!!" ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 18:49:20 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:48:38 EDT Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike To: tansey@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 6:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tansey@XXXXXX writes: > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not > have a center stand. > park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off > balance. Some covers come with holes at the bottom, so you can pinch the cover together underneath the bike and lock the two sides together. This way the cover can't be taken off. If your cover doesn't come with them, it wouldn't be hard to add them. When I lived in a condo in Reston, I never had any problems with the kids as long as I kept the bike covered. Of course this didn't stop the A-holes that stole it, but it wasn't a gated parking lot either. My favorite story came from Art, the guy who used to own the motorcycle accessory store in Falls Church. He had a nice BMW that he kept parked in front of his townhouse. Whenever he'd see the neighborhood kids starting to touch or climb on his bike, he come outside, tell them that they set off the "silent alarm" and warn them to stay off it. Now usually the kids were doing this with their parents standing by and the parents would never keep the kids off the bike. One day, when he got tired of telling the same kids to stay off the bike, he watched as the kids started climbing on the bike and the parents just stood by. Art ran out of the house, while racking a shotgun. Now that he had everyone's full attention he said "Oh its just you kids. You set the alarm off and I thought someone was stealing my bike." After that day, the parents wouldn't let the kids get within 20 feet of the bike. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 21:16:33 2000 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Joey Dunlop Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:16:16 PDT I just just read that Joey Dunlop was killed today. I feel honored to have seen him win his 24th Isle of Man ( I was ther in June for the GP). He was one of the best if not the best riders in the world. he was a very humble man never saying alot . Godspeed Joey, Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 21:33:36 2000 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: typing Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:33:27 PDT Damn, The more I type the worse my typing gets. Sorry!!!!! Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 22:18:16 2000 From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: DC-Cycles Accident reports Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:16:59 -0700 I think that's a pretty nice idea actually - If someone could put together all the accident reports from DC-Cycles over the years possibly just weed out the ones that seem to be poorly analyzed, it might just be a worthwhile compilation for reading and learning. Maybe publish it on the web, not as a "hero's catalog of crime" but more like a "learning from each other's mistakes" kind of thing. Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 23:33:15 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 23:35:37 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Tom Gimer CC: dc Subject: Re: rides today... > What purpose will this serve? It sounds to me like > the best thing for you guys to do is to attempt to get > more organized.....putting together a group of riders > who can spend time riding together and getting > comfortable with one anothers' riding styles will help > a lot more than 'mixing it up' every weekend. The > latter is a proven recipe for disaster. I agree with you that more of us need to ride together and get to know each other's riding styles so that we can all be better/safer as a group. But I was also suggesting that we need other rides for those who don't want to do a "sportbike" ride, that's all. I know not everyone on the list necessarily wants to ride in the "twisties" and might want something less "technical" and more "sedate". And we need folks who are willing and able to lead such rides. > Now, there's nothing wrong with the occasional > large-group tour up to Harper's Ferry for lunch (or > whatever), but an aggressive sport ride should NOT > involve riders who haven't ridden together before > (unless the new riders are at the rear, attempting to > get familiar with the "pack's" style). Again, we agree. But right now, it seems that all that's being offered up are rides more geared towards folks who ride sportbikes (since that's what I ride and I seem to be the only person leading rides at the moment). Certainly, I think it would be great if other better/more experienced sportbike riders on the list would also lead rides. But I also think we need some non-sportbike rides so that folks who might not feel as comfortable riding a "typical" sportbike ride will have an opportunity to enjoy the company of other DC-Cycle'ers other than just trading emails. Regards, Chuck Tom Gimer wrote : > -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 00:26:32 2000 From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chatterbox Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:26:23 EDT Chatterbox now offers you the choice of stereo or mono versions. The mono version will work with your current head gear. You will need new head gear for the stereo version. I understand the clairity is much better. I haven't ordered mine yet but will next month (I need to spend this months "surplus" on my recording studio). Razz "There's too much month at the end of my money" '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 > >Is the FRS model that much better? I haven't played with one yet and may >do >the upgrade deal. Aside from the extended range, how is the clarity and >interference? Are any of the components compatible? like the speakers and >mic? Or do I have to replace all that's in my helmet and passenger lid? >TIA > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > >/But with $100 trade in on your old one it's a good deal... not like >/you'd ever go back to a limited 49MHz unit again after trying FRS. >/ >/Collin >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 01:42:11 2000 From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:42:00 EDT From: "Laura Granato" I'm sorry that you feel so disappointed with the list at this moment, but I don't think that everyone should be talked down to, as some people (probably most) take excellent care of their bikes and ride responsibly. Yes, there are some people that don't take care of their bikes as well as others, and yes, there are people that push their limits, but from what many people tell me (I think you, too, at some point) that you HAVE to push your limits at some point to learn. Not all of us have an interest in racing or the capabilities to get into it, so we just have to accept learning on the street in uncontrolled conditions that may not be prime for increasing confidence, abilities, etc. Many of us ride for the pure enjoyment of riding, not because we want to see who we can outrace from point A to point B. I am truly happy for you that you are not having the said *incidents* that some of us are having, but the way that I see it...this list is a place to share our thoughts about riding and learn from each other. So, today I learned my lesson, AND I learned to make sure that my tires are well taken care of and that my bike always has proper maintenance. I think that is something positive to think about. I think it may have been a little harsh to say you're glad you're not in the area as much...I know for a fact that if you were in the area, you'd be right there enjoying the ride and helping those out who did have problems instead of blasting them. Just had to give my opinion. Sounds like you must be having a bad day. ============ Brian always seems to have a bad day Laura. It's part of his antagonistic charm, I guess. In fact, he who couldn't wait to bail outta DC moved to Arizona just to get away from himself ;) But he screwed up. Hehehe, just kidding Brian,...maybe :) Laura, you _are_ right and Brian McCoy is wrong here; big time. The rest of this is for BM and not Ms. Granato : ------ Dood, you are so heavy-handed in your criticism, that even a critical, heavy-handed sort like me gets offended. (I'm serious). You dont give anyone quarter. The worst thing about it is that you're as young as you are. You're what,... 25? Lighten up and please spare DC-Cycles from any more of your hubris. JK ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 06:55:57 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 06:55:36 EDT Subject: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. To: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX Heard on the news this Morning that the State of Maryland is beginning Helicopter surveillance of the thorough fares to counter aggressive motorcycle operations (e.g. racers.) Pre positioned road blocks and interception capabilities with overhead command and control. Also, MD is advertising a mobile number ( # something) for drivers to call in with descriptions and tag numbers. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 07:07:21 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: DC Cycles Subject: Flat Tire Story All -- On Saturday I went out for a ride, and a spectacular day it was. On 601, Mt. Weather Road, I encountered a biker stuck on the side of the road with a flat. Since I had one of those glue+plug+CO2 kits, a couple of years old, I said what the heck, and we worked on plugging up the tire. Turns out that the two CO2 charges weren't enough to come close to completely inflating his tire. For a large tire, such as was on his bike (and what's on mine, for that matter), I'd guess at least four, and more comfortably five or six would be called for. The small puncture was in the thinnest part of his well worn rear tire. I don't think that plug or that tire was worth a tinker's damn. However, the plugged, underinflated tire was enough to allow us him limp along 601 to a mutual friend's house (that was a surprise!) Riding 601 at about twenty miles an hour was an interesting experience... Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well -- and that's basically the point of my story -- if you have a mid to large sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get you road ready. Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 08:53:49 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:53:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Yamaha parts online A dealer has some yamaha bike's parts online. The dealer is at: http://www.hlsm.com/ The street bike parts are at: http://216.37.204.3/Yamaha_mc/yam_mc.asp?model_list Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 09:48:17 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:48:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Re: Yesterday's Ride Coincidentally, Glenn was in our group ride when I went down mid -June on 211. He is a good luck charm as he knows how to handle his VFR and is extremely helpful in these situations. BTW, does anyone know of a m/c accident that occurred Saturday on Route 193(Great Falls area) west of 495? Dan 00 RSV >Uh Glenn, I'm not sure I want you on my ride tomorrow! %^) SEE THE >SMILEY??? > >Chuck, aka Skittles > >Glenn Braunstein wrote : > > > > Per Kirt's description of his mishap yesterday, I was > > the "VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who > > was behind me managed to not run me over. :-)" > > > Incidentally, I was also the rider immediately > > following the first guy who blew out his chain. > > > Finally [okay...I must be bad luck here!!]...I was the > > rider who was immediately IN FRONT OF the guy who went > > down on the ST1100 on 678 (the small group of 6 bikes > > that Todd Peer led over Thornton Gap after leaving > > Dixies). > >-- >"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 10:01:37 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:00:55 -0700 From: Dale Horstman To: Peter Hartzler CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Flat Tire Story Peter Hartzler wrote: > > Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the > kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well -- > and that's basically the point of my story -- if you have a mid to large > sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get > you road ready. Pete (and others) I carry this on the bike! It fits neatly under the right sidecover of the Connie. Works well. Plugs right into the cigarette lighter adapter I installed in the fairing. http://www.buytheworld.com/beyond/bonaire/210.htm Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 10:16:14 2000 From: "Wysocki, Bannon" To: "'Charles V. Pena'" , DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki Subject: RE: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:11:04 -0500 Just A Thought... I was on the ride July 1st and the one before that too (BANNON R6). I am amazed at the ratio of crashers to riders. I can see that there are many causes to these incidents: Ability/knowledge, size of group and speed, mechanical. My first point of ability is one that only the rider knows. No one is out to "upstage" any one with regards to riding ability. Please ride within yours and the rides will be much more enjoyable for everyone. My rule of thumb is to NEVER ride behind someone that is slower than me because it takes me out of my natural flow on the roads. If I have to break mid turn because someone is easing through it, I'm putting myself and anyone behind me in a hairy situation. Also, everyone should know how to ride in a group, i.e. 2 second rule, etc. and know all of the hand signals used for communication, i.e., one finger pointing straight up to indicate single file riding, foot signals, etc. We should go over these every ride. It will only make all of us better is we ride with people whom we don't know. Second point of size and speed of the group is a coordination point. Smaller groups are just more manageable. There is no reason why we can't start off with smaller groups (6) and then let the people ride into different groups through natural selection. If you can catch the group in front of you, fine and you won't be running into point number 1. We always have natural regrouping points along the way and I don't mind waiting for any one and appreciate it when people wait for me. Finally, mechanically sound bikes are the easiest way not to get surprised. Always check air pressure before riding which will cause you to LOOK at your tire wear. There is no excuse for worn tires, not even money. Just save up and don't ride because hospital bills and fairings cost a lot more than a new set of Dunlop's (mounted too). By default, keeping your bike clean will cause you to put your hands on every part of your bike and notice anything that may need tightening or repair, I haven't seen a dirty bike yet which is good. I think there should be a mandatory plan if we have an incident. First, check and see if the rider is OK then check the condition of the bike. If the bike is rideable, or should I say appears to be, continue or that rider should head back to the barn because a hidden crack in a frame is NOT safe and can lead to a catastrophic failure in machinery. EVERYONE must take responsibility for their machines. We all should have a plan if something should happen to someone's bike. And the answer is not Danny's wife! I'm not going to burden anyone with my mishap as long as I can walk and talk. We all need to carry cell phones, have a number to call if our rides become unrideable, have our insurance cards on us somewhere with a number to get in touch with a friend or relative if we need to have them meet us somewhere. I'm not trying to be cold or even a DICK but I don't think 26 riders need to stop and wait until someone is taken care of. The faster we can establish a plan for the incident, the faster we can all get back on the ride. As long as no one is hurt it should be OK for that person to wait and get picked up. If someone wants to volunteer to stay with that person that's cool too. Just know the ride plan and catch up later. If you don't know the ride plan, carry a print out of it. The easiest way to see the route is to put some masking tape on your gas tank and write the important turns on it in big black letters: L Rt. 55, R rt. 278, L rt. 66, etc. Then we should lose less riders, right. This is just common sense and good preparation. The rides will be more efficient and enjoyable if we all practice good motorcycle etiquette. I love riding with you all and will see you out there again. BANNON R6 Bannon P. Wysocki Region Manager Corporate Express Promotional Marketing Mid-Atlantic 1307 Ross Drive, SW, Vienna, VA 22180 Office: 703.242.4413 Fax: 703.783.8643 bannon.wysocki@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:07 PM To: DC Cycles; Bannon Wysocki Subject: Saturday ride - not the best We had a glorious day for riding today. And 20+ people showed up at the Sheetz to ride. But you know what they way about the best laid plans... With that many people, we decided that it would be best to sub-divide into at least 2, if not 3, groups of riders -- with Danny taking the lead. Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my knowledge, was not seen again. The rest of us took Old Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton to get to Crest Rd. and then onto Flint Hill and 211. I was riding sweep and saw a bunch off guys both on and off motorcycles to the side of the road. My first thought was that someone went down. Fortunately, that was not the case. Broken chain. Rider on a Yam FZR (sorry, but I know I didn't meet everyone and I also know I can't remember everyone's names!) After finding out what had happened I continued up the road to catch Danny and the rest of the group. Well, I guess they figured out something was wrong because I eventually caught them back-tracking. Anyway, we re-grouped and hung out in a gravel driveway off the side of the road while Danny called his wife and asked her to bring his truck to load up the FZR to take back to wherever. Danny volunteered to stay and said he would catch up with us at the base of the mountain (Dixie gas/gift shop). Todd Peer got volunteered to lead the "front" group out to Flint Hill and 211. I led the "back" group out after giving Todd a few minutes head start. On the way up the mountain, I noticed Han Park (and his bike, purple F2) standing on the side of the road. He looked calm and relaxed so I figured he was just taking a break (strange place for a break) and/or waiting for us (but why?) It turns out that Han and Fred (having lost Sanath) beat everyone to the mountain and had made at least one (if not two) runs already (even before the front group). What I didn't know at the time was that Han had lowsided in one of the turns. Fortunately, he was OK (although I have absolutely no idea how his butt managed to survive sliding wearing only jeans!) As best we could tell, the damage was mostly cosmetic (scuffed up left side fairing and broken windshield). But the F2 was ridable. The culprit in this accident may have been the front tire. Upon inspection, it was more than apparent that the tire had seen better days. Further up the road, there was a bit of chaos with lots of bikes off to the side and lots of people giving the "slow down" signal. Apparently, Kirt Senser (F4) also lowsided. The culprit in this accident was in all likelihood sand/gravel in the road. Bannon was riding in front of Kirt and he said he felt his back end step out and then looked in his mirrors and saw Kirt going down. BTW, I didn't witness either Han's or Kirt's crashes so others may have better details about what happened. Anyway, Kirt was/is OK. For those that are wondering, Aerostitch suits work! But his bike was/is not. The damage was more than cosmetic. In fact, it was not ridable back down the mountain. I went to the top and turned around to re-group with whoever was either at the top and/or following me. I then went back down the mountain and just waited/chilled at the Dixie gas/gift shop (there were already lots of lots of people helping out at the side of the road). Eventually, everyone drifted back down the mountain and parked it. Kirt caught a ride on the back of someone's m/c and left his F4 up on the mountain. We all waited for Danny to show up to figure out how best to handle this particular situation. When he finally did, Danny called the Honda Owner's Club to get a truck to come out to get Kirt's bike. Once again, Danny volunteered to stick around until help arrived. I was running out of riding time, so announced that I was heading back to civilization. Todd Peer led those who still wanted to ride up over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal. Hopefully, the rest of their ride was uneventful. A handful of us basically back-tracked on most of the roads we rode out on and went back to Marshall and eventually got on I-66 (at 15) to drone back in. I know I got 200 miles of riding, but definitely not "quality" miles. Certainly, not the best of days riding. I am glad that Han and Kirt are OK (even though there bikes are in various states of not-OK). I hope the rest of the ride with Todd went OK for everyone. I would've like to joined, but had to be home at 2pm and got home pretty much on time. I'm still doing the Monday ride leaving from The Java Shack at 9:30am (meet for espressos/lattes at 9am). We'll go up into Montgomery and Frederick Counties. 2-3 hours of riding. I've got some roads I want to check out so the pace won't be blistering. Everyone have a safe and happy 4th of July! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 11:01:41 2000 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:01:12 EDT Subject: Riding Apparel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For those of you contemplating kevlar jeans/riding gear, I highly recommend Joe Rocket's 'Blaster'(?) pants. Fellow lister Colleen Bray runs a new/used leather buisness, and carries brand new Joe Rocket items. I bought a pair from her, (Joe Rocket's suggested retail is $250...I payed around $200+tax) and have been thoroughly pleased. Armor in the shins/knees, reinforced padding over the hip bones, and double leather in the seat. Comfortable, inexpensive, and MUCH better than even kevlar jeans. The URL for Colleen's site is... http://members.aol.com/moto rle/index.html -Sean Jordan WERA Novice #230 '93 CBR1000F (street) '89 ZX7 (race) Sponsors: Fastlane Cycles Phoenix Comics & Toys From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 13:31:44 2000 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:30:57 EDT Subject: Bike for sale! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: LIKEAMU@XXXXXX --part1_15.6018ab4.269227d1_boundary Thought ya'll like to know about a Katana for sale! Enjoy, Lee --part1_15.6018ab4.269227d1_boundary From: LIKEAMU@XXXXXX Full-name: LIKEAMU Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:13:55 EDT Subject: Re: **JULY 9 RIDE CONFIRM** To: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX hi lee,sorry i haven`t made it out.looks like that isn`t going to happen this year.i am selling my bike to help pay for a truck i just bought.hopefully i can get a new one by next summer.maybe you could put the word out for me to anyone looking for a bike.i have a 94 suzuki katana 600,purple and black,8000 miles on it.some performance work done,2 helmets and a cover.just had the oil changed and bike tuned up.all for 3100.00 or best offer.anyone interested can email me.thanks, joe p.s keep me on your email list i like the diary entrees. --part1_15.6018ab4.269227d1_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 13:59:28 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:05:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Wedding? A wedding that I would not have minded being a bridesmaid in http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=6042 Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 14:54:17 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , "Lisa Goddard" Subject: Re: Wedding? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:57:15 -0400 I didn't get to go to the wedding because of work. But I was at the reception. Everyone who was at the wedding had a great time, especially the trip from the church to the reception. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Goddard To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 14:05 Subject: Wedding? > A wedding that I would not have minded being a bridesmaid in > > http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=6042 > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 15:06:50 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Chatterbox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: adl64@XXXXXX Yes, FRS is MUCH MUCH better than 49Mhz units. The range is easily 1 mile and often near the 2 mile range that's advertised for FRS. They basically use several channels up in the 400MHz FM band and their transceivers lock onto signal much better than the 49MHz units. Based on my dealings with old 49MHz units, the FRS is leaps and bounds better quality.. I've never owned the chatterbox models, but looking at Anita's, it *looks* like some of the things are compatible, but you would have to look at one to be certain. I've CC'd Anita, and maybe she can provide more info... I use my own setup of a standard 14 channel FRS unit and headphone mic... it was a lot cheaper, but I am still working out bugs to get clarity up to par with the chatterbox... so Chatterbox is definitely the way to go if you want it ready to go right out of the box... Collin Rob wrote: "Is the FRS model that much better? I haven't played with one yet and may do the upgrade deal. Aside from the extended range, how is the clarity and interference? Are any of the components compatible? like the speakers and mic? Or do I have to replace all that's in my helmet and passenger lid?" ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 16:38:17 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:43:28 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Everyone OK? / rides today (sorry so long) Hey everyone Have had a sick wife to take care of so haven't had time to get online and read or post to the list. I would be the FZR guy who lost his chain on Saturdays ride. Just for the record the chain was less that two months old and was properly adjusted and oiled right before the ride. The chain came off because the master link came off. Now I will be the first one to admit that my bike doesn't get the proper amount of attention and spends more that its share of time in ruff shape. As a matter of fact I was so embarrassed after my chain came off and I had everyone attention drown to my bike in the shape it was in (dirty) that when I finally made it home I gave its first real bath in over a month. Being that is is ridden just about every day and doesn't sleep in a garage it was looking rather ruff, as I am sure that everyone noticed. I can see why everyone thought that the chain had snapped looking at the grim on the swing arm and rims. I can't begin to thank Danny ( or should I say St. Danny) and his wife enough for bailing me out and coming out and picking up me and the bike. I had visions of spending the whole day on the side of the road waiting for my wife and kids to find me since I didn't even have an idea where I was. After dropping off Danny's wife at home so she could get back to her day, they let me use there truck to drive to the shop to get a new chain on the bike. I have to say that I was having a ball right up to second the chain came loose. Also thanks to Alexander (name?/EX500 rider) for hanging with Danny and me while waiting to be rescued. As for Brian's post I'm not sure how to respond. While much of what he has said is true their is a big part of me that just wants to walk up and kick the soap box out from under his feet. While most of us would love to spend our time on a nice clean track in a totally controlled environment instead of on the public roads dodging cages, avoiding debre and entering blind corners, it isn't always an option. I myself spend most of my free time and money on my two little girls, not my hobbies. I have been riding for sixteen years and look forward to every minute I spend on my ride. I love group rides and spending time with other riders. You can learn a lot following a better rider though a bunch of turns, a lot more that you can spending hours upon hours riding by yourself. I hope that the next time Murphy's law caches up with you, you don't find some one standing over you on the side of the road pointing a finger in your face saying "now if you where a responsible rider!!". I have always enjoyed your posts and respected you for what you have contributed to the list but I have to tell you that you lost me this time. Finally I would like to thank Chuck for everything as well as everyone else for putting the ride on standby to make sure that I was all right. Sorry to here about Kirt, Han, Bob and the other downed riders. Hope that everyone is o.k. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help out, I have tools and I'm not afraid to use them. Take care and talk to everyone soon Nelson 94 FZR600 "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > I just wanted to check to make sure that everyone is OK after all that From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 17:03:30 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:05:57 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: Monday ride - no problems! Small and manageable group for Monday's ride. Myself, Glenn Braunstein, Paul (on the Nighthawk from DC), Niv (a fellow CSS@VIR graduate), Sanath, and Herb all left The Java Shack and rode out MacArthur, River Rd., Partnership Rd., White's Ferry Rd., and 109 to Staubs, where we met up with Rob (red VFR). BTW, there are too damn many red VFRs! %^) From there we basically did a bit of exploring as I looked at a map (enclosed in my improvised map holder for when I don't want to carry a tank bag -- heavy-duty clear sheet protector held in place by 4 relatively heavy-duty, 20-lb. hold strength, picked up a Home Depot) to find different roads to ride on. Found some good ones that will allow me to expand the "basic" route we took on Father's Day to include more fun riding. Also found one road that was probably a bit on the too narrow and too twisty side, not to mention so shaded that I had a hard time seeing! I don't think I'll use this road (can't remember the name off the top of my head) in future rides -- not really conducive to riding "fast" (although I'm sure some of the racers/more highly skilled riders could do it) and too many opportunities to blow it. We did OK, but we also weren't trying to blitz it. I didn't get a chance to explore all the different roads I had marked on my map because I had to be home NLT than 1pm. So after a gas stop, Herb, Niv, and I headed back. Rob was kind enough to continue riding and took Glenn, Paul, and Sanath to explore more roads. I don't know how the rest of their ride went, but I can report that we were 0-fer up until the gas stop. No mechanical mishaps (avoided the pothole on MacArthur by riding single file), no crashes, and no law enforcement encounters. Hopefully, Rob and/or Glenn can report on how the rest of the afternoon went. I am definitely going to get back out (maybe next weekend?) to check on all the other roads I had marked on my map. Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 17:53:26 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX cc: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. #77 is the number for your cell phone. They had several K12RS's in the news blurb this evening (older ones with the taxicab paint scheme. Riders were wearing Vanson Leathers. Probably all bought from Bob's BMW) I'd definately not piss off cars. This will probably degenerate into a system where the biker is guilty (even moreso than usual) until proven innocent. On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Heard on the news this Morning that the State of Maryland is beginning > Helicopter surveillance of the thorough fares to counter aggressive > motorcycle operations (e.g. racers.) Pre positioned road blocks and > interception capabilities with overhead command and control. Also, MD is > advertising a mobile number ( # something) for drivers to call in with > descriptions and tag numbers. > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > -- George Howell "I ride for the same reason dogs stick their head out ghowell@XXXXXX of car windows" georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX echelon block: kiddie porn, overthrow government, militia, anarchy, guns, knives, violence, bomb, explosive, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Branch Davidian, 2nd amendment, vengeance, Mafia, Delta Force, CIA, FBI, NSA. Enjoy! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:04:55 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:04:38 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX There are no road race tracks in Md. that I know of. What's the problem? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:25:48 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:30:44 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez To: "Wysocki, Bannon" CC: "'Charles V. Pena'" , DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Point taken, guilty as charged It isn't Danny's (or his wife's) responsibility to play clean up after the rides he takes part in. I agree that everyone should be responsible for their own bike and if it becomes unridable to have a way of getting it home without dragging the other riders spouses away from their day. I feel really bad that Danny spent the better part of his day watching after us instead of riding, which is why he went on the ride in the first place. As for group riding and the accidents, that's a tuff one. As I'm sure almost everyone that dropped it recently can attest to, that right up to the moment before they crashed they thought they where within their limits. It is easy to find yourself going faster that you should be going when following a group because you just watched the five guys in front of you take that turn at that speed and made it look easy. I know that I rider harder when following a group. This weekend for instance, following Danny I felt confident riding hard because I have confidence in his knowledge of the road and even though I had never been on those roads before, felt that if the bikes in front of me could make it through at the speeds we were doing, then chances are that so could I given my ability. I can understand (because I have been there) when a newer rider thinks that their bike seems to be running well and the riding skills seem to be in check only to get the panics entering a corner and without the experience to know how to handle the situation, finding themselves on the ground. I have had the fortune of not biting the pavement for some years (well except for that snow thing 8] ) but I remember all to well the accidents I have had. It always seemed that I had everything under control, that is right up until the bike showed me different. I'm sure you will agree that its only the years of riding has shown us our true riding ability. Even now riding on unfamiliar roads can blur that line and makes us realize that there is still more to learn. Thanks for your post, it has pointed out yet another lesson in my quest to be a better rider. Once again sorry for the long winded post and hope I didn't drift to much. Unfortunaly the hands cant keep up with the mind and I sometimes find that what I was thinking doesn't quite make it to the paper (or email). Later all Nelson "Wysocki, Bannon" wrote: > Just A Thought... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:25:51 2000 From: "St. Peter" To: "'v4mofo@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Group Rides Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:36:11 -0400 Encoding: 57 TEXT Brian, Seems to me, back when I joined this list I was kind of afraid to go on the group rides. It seemed like every week there was a story of someone crashing. That's why I took about a year of being on the list to meet anyone (you and Collin at Track Day). As time went on, I guess the group got used to group rides and the number of incidents decreased to nothing. Now there is an almost entirely new group out there. I do agree that you should try and show up to group rides with the best maintained bike you can. But, I can't say everyone (not to mention any names - Collin) has always showed up with perfect tires. That said, I do ride 75% on group rides. Even if it means slowing the group down a little, I feel less comfortable in a large (or unknown) group and ride like it. First, I don't want crash, and second I don't want someone to force a crash on me. I don't trust any other riders that I haven't ridden with extensively. I don't really give a shit if someone goes home thinking I'm a slow rider, either on a group ride or at the track. It's not worth a crash just to boost my ego (or take 16th instead of 17th at the track :)). I also think the amount of carnage on that particular ride was pretty high. I wasn't there, so I can't say if there was too much excitement for the first large group ride in a while. I think people need to realize that they can ride their own ride, even on a group ride. Believe it or not, most of the people behind you will be relieved that they don't have to keep up the pace of some of the front runners. The people who want to go faster can be sure to get ahead of you at the next rest stop. The rest can pretend to complain they got stuck behind you :) I've ridden with Danny before and he is an excellent ride leader. He ran what I considered the perfect street pace. But, Danny is racing now, so his comfort level has prolly increased significantly. People were talking about touching footpegs etc. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do it regularly when you ride by yourself. If it's the first time you've touched them down three turns in a row, then you're riding over your head. No matter how good it feels. Practice your skills and get faster on your own or with some good friends, not on a large group ride. I know that by riding with others you can start to realize what you and your bike are capable of. It's a great high, but try to meet some of the faster riders and arrange a smaller group ride with them sometime. Most people are there to meet others to ride with. Even though I wasn't there, I thank Chuck and Danny for leading the ride. It's good to have the group out meeting and riding together. There are lots of new people I haven't met yet. I hope to see you out there sometime. Chill out Brian :) Jay St. Peter '95 ZX9R '93/4 F2 Racebike (for sale/trade make me an offer http://patriot.net/~stpeter/motorcycle/racebike.html) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:45:03 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Monday ride - no problems!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Well, Chuck (et al)- You'll be delighted to know that despite the bad luck I brought to Saturday's ride (with the 2 bikes going down right in front of me, and the one losing ground immediately behind me), today's ride was completed with a big goose-egg representing the number of downed riders!! ;-) Thumbs up to Chuck for organizing and leading a nice, casual [but, unfortunately, relatively short] cruise up through MD. And thanks to Rob for taking over the lead role after Chuck departed to show the 3 of us who remained (Paul, Sanath, and myself, none of whom knew the area at all) a bit more of the beautiful MD country. I will say the funny thing was when Paul, Sanath, and I finally made it back to the D.C. area. When we were coming into town on MacArthur Blvd., approaching the ramp for Cabin John Pkwy, I looked in my rear view and noticed that Sanath, who was right behind me the whole way, just disappeared!! So of course my first reaction was, "Aw...shit. Not again!" We made it all the way, this far, so close to home, and yet another one goes down near me?!? I decided it might be time to give up my wheels. :-( Anyways, I turned back to look for him, and when I found him, I was delighted to hear that he just simply decided to take a different exit than us. Major sigh of relief for me, knowing that we did truly make it without any mishaps whatsoever!!! And btw, Chuck - are you just JEALOUS of all the Red VFRs on the road? ;-) Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 (yet another red one, to Chuck's dismay!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 19:27:55 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Flat tire story To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From the link that horkster sent with nifty tire inflator: "Note: due to firearms restrictions in California, residents there will have to run this on 10 volts instead of 12." What is up with that?? What the hell does 2V difference in operating voltage on a tire inflator have to do with firearms??? F&%kin Peoples Republic of Kalifornia..sheesh.. I can only dream that I never get stationed there.. as most of my toys/pets/hobbies are already banned or against the law there... Collin Sorry for offtopic...(and I am NOT trying to start a gun thread!! hehe) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 19:49:31 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Group Rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL Jay, Precisely why I have NOT said anything on any of the posts ;-) Back in not so younger and dumber days I ran one 204 down so bad in the rear that it litterally throwing rubber off it every time I hit the gas.. yikes! (but I HAD to get at least 2500 miles out of the dang thing) And then there is "pepe"... It had more or less slicks on it when I first got it.. and even after new tires, the suspension is gone beyond belief.. but it's just a commuter bike these days :) Although on some comments, I wouldn't discount a dirty bike as a poorly maintained one... when I was daily commuting on my old GSXR, it would often get super filthy even when I was washing it once per week, but stuff was most always in order on that one.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 20:10:25 2000 From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chatterbox/Heads Up/Monday's Ride Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:10:00 EDT Digest Update Mode in Progress: 1. Chatterbox: Thanks, Razz and Collin for the feedback. I'll do some more looking around to see what will/won't work, and decide what to do. 2. Heads Up!: I saw that story on the news, as well. According to the press conference, an officer said it's called "Operation Rocket Roundup" (How witty :-p) Something about hearing a State Cop say that reminds me of when I got my bike learner's permit, and the 'gentleman' behind the counter replied ..."so yer gonna get yourself a murder cycle?!" Nice to know they're looking out for us. LOL Anyway, be careful out there. With all the BDC's talking on their cell phones, they might be calling about you now. 3. Today's ride. Thanks again, Chuck, for giving me a good excuse to get outta bed early on a day off. The ride was fun and took me on a few roads I had yet to explore. I'll agree with you on forgetting that one road, Chuck. But the rest were fine. Now, as nervous as I was having Glenn behind me after you left, we made it up and around with no real problem. (Just kidding, Glenn) Well, partially kidding! ;) The ride was fun and moderately paced, aside from that one collection of cages being led by the earth mover. Boy, did that blow! One word to everyone out there, watch out for the tar snakes on the road. When it heats up, they do get slick. Had the rear slide a bit on a nice left sweeper where 28 comes in. (Stay away from me, Glenn!) We ended up back at Staub's and chatted a bit and we all headed home. Glad to hear their ride back was safe. I blasted across 109 into Hyattstown and down 355 to home. All in all, about 85 miles round trip, and a good time. See you all on the next ride. Rob '98 VFR800 Red (we're everywhere! ;) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 20:57:08 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:53:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flat tire story "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > >From the link that horkster sent with nifty tire inflator: > "Note: due to firearms restrictions in California, residents there will > have to run this on 10 volts instead of 12." > > What is up with that?? >From my understanding, it's a cynical comment about some handgun law in KA limiting magazines to 10 rounds or something. The air pump is great, only takes a couple of minutes to air up a big rear tire. Great for gently airing up rear shocks, air mattresses, footballs, bicycle tires, etc. too. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 21:20:41 2000 From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Tire Inflation Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:20:04 -0700 Pete: My experience, though not vast, does include some long haul rides into wild deserted (and dessert too) and offroad destinations. I found that its just plain easier to carry a small bicycle pump for these occasions. About 100-150 pumps of the small pump will fill a motorcycle tire (rear of a Suz. DR650). It doesn't run out (until you run out of patience/will power) and if the fix isn't perfect you can still refill the tire. All these cannot be done with the CO2 cartridges which end up being more expensive and space consuming (6-8 is one tire ?). I have a small pump purchased at K-Mart for $10. Been using it for 4 years now. Have fun. Know which side is up. Niv BMW F650ST Pete wrote: All- On Saturday I went out for a ride, and a spectacular day it was. On 601, Mt. Weather Road, I encountered a biker stuck on the side of the road with a flat. Since I had one of those glue+plug+CO2 kits, a couple of years old, I said what the heck, and we worked on plugging up the tire. Turns out that the two CO2 charges weren't enough to come close to completely inflating his tire. For a large tire, such as was on his bike (and what's on mine, for that matter), I'd guess at least four, and more comfortably five or six would be called for. The small puncture was in the thinnest part of his well worn rear tire. I don't think that plug or that tire was worth a tinker's damn. However, the plugged, underinflated tire was enough to allow us him limp along 601 to a mutual friend's house (that was a surprise!) Riding 601 at about twenty miles an hour was an interesting experience... Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well- and that's basically the point of my story-if you have a mid to large sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get you road ready. Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 21:57:00 2000 From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Monday Ride Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:56:26 -0700 After the rumors of bikes crashing, people going down, chains snapping, cats living with dogs, and all that from the weekend I decided it was time to actually join a ride. Glad I did. Have to thank Chuck for leading this ride. I have rarely had the opportunity to ride in a group and everything about the ride seemed to work really well. Chuck - you give great example in leading, in preparing, in dressing safely (full leathers, boots, gloves, knee pucks...) and in leading at a reasonable street pace. Some places where it seemed that we could go faster or that I would of gone faster alone were correctly taken slower. Job well done. We exchanged cell phone numbers in the morning at the coffee place and I believe that this should become common practice. Just pass a piece of paper and each rider that has a cell phone writes his name and number. Then pass the list around once more for everyone to copy it. As soon as people go missing anyone aware should open up his phone to receive calls and possibly call someone else to find out what is going on. Not everyone needs to be in on this but a few people per ride should have each other's numbers. In addition I followed Brian's suggestion and brought with me a first aid kit. I'm not a medic but I can administer basic 1st aid. Might not be a bad idea to find out who has a fairly good kit at home (a few plastic bandages and 1st aid cream do not count as a 1st aid kit) and try to make sure there is at least one on every ride. I am willing to lend mine to rides that I don't attend if it's not in use for other reasons. Thanks once more to Chuck. One day when I grow up I want to be like you :)....or at least lead a ride or two. Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 22:18:59 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Maryland after sportbikes? Anyone see the FOX special about MD going after sportbikes? I taped the episode, and will pop it on my ftp site here in the next few minutes: ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:00:11 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:02:38 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Monday Ride Niv, You're welcome! %^) And yes, I did ride "slow". After everything that happened on Saturday, I decided that it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to tone the pace down a bit. And I was looking for roads I hadn't been on so didn't want to miss turns. Plus I always tend to ride conservatively on roads I've never been on -- I don't like surprises! This is just a long way of saying that despite attending CSS@VIR, I'm a wuss! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles Ahalan wrote : > > Have to thank Chuck for leading this ride. I have rarely had the opportunity to ride in a group and everything about the ride seemed to work really well. Chuck - you give great example in leading, in preparing, in dressing safely (full leathers, boots, gloves, knee pucks...) and in leading at a reasonable street pace. Some places where it seemed that we could go faster or that I would of gone faster alone were correctly taken slower. Job well done. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:03:04 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:05:31 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chatterbox/Heads Up/Monday's Ride Yeah, what was up with that one road??? Started off pretty OK. 2 lanes wide. Line down the middle. Midly curvey. Not too unlike Partnership Road. But then it because this almost single lane thing with tight/blind curves. And tree-lined/covered -- with my dark visor I had a hard time seeing/being sure of the road surface! I will definitely pass on including that road in future rides! Robert Keiser wrote : > > 3. Today's ride. Thanks again, Chuck, for giving me a good excuse to get > outta bed early on a day off. The ride was fun and took me on a few roads I > had yet to explore. I'll agree with you on forgetting that one road, Chuck. > But the rest were fine. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:19:28 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:21:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Mike T CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Maryland after sportbikes? Mike, No, I didn't see the piece on Fox. But will visit your site when I have the time to view it (not now) -- thanx! Going after sportbikes (as opposed to motorcyles in general?) -- geez! I guess we were lucky we didn't get tagged today out on our ride. And I'm really enjoying riding the roads in Montgomery and Frederick counties. Is this a "backroads" type operation or more geared to nailing sportbikers on major roads and in more urban areas? Chuck Mike T wrote: > > Anyone see the FOX special about MD going after sportbikes? I taped the > episode, and will pop it on my ftp site here in the next few minutes: > > ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:26:00 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:25:47 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Mike T Subject: Re: Maryland after sportbikes? At 03:21 AM 7/4/2000 , Charles V. Pena wrote: >No, I didn't see the piece on Fox. But will visit your site when I have >the time to view it (not now) -- thanx! Going after sportbikes (as >opposed to motorcyles in general?) -- geez! I guess we were lucky we >didn't get tagged today out on our ride. And I'm really enjoying riding >the roads in Montgomery and Frederick counties. Is this a "backroads" >type operation or more geared to nailing sportbikers on major roads and >in more urban areas? Sorry I didn't give more detail. The report was rather vague, but did show two undercover bike cops on BMW sport bikes. They kept mentioning '150 to 180 miles per hour!' and how they will have a helicopter to chase anyone that tries to run. Curious what prompted this. It is just sport bikes they are going after. The beginning of the news story (not on the video - sorry not fast enough) named the program and it was something like 'Operation road rocket'. Likely major roads - I don;t picture them concentrating on the back roads where all the real fun is. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 07:41:52 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:41:39 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to SportBikes in MD. To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX OK, here's the news story. Md. Puts Brakes on Reckless Motorcyclists By Susan DeFord Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, July 4, 2000; Page B02 Maryland State Police say the latest serious danger on the highways is speeding sport motorcyclists who flout basic rules of safety, and now they are the target of a new crackdown. Announcing the enforcement action on the eve of the July 4 holiday, Col. David B. Mitchell, the state police superintendent, directed his remarks to aggressive motorcyclists who often travel at more than twice the posted speed limits on highways: "You have received the last warning from Maryland State Police. We intend to change your behavior." The campaign, called Operation Rocket Roundup, begins today and will continue through the summer, when motorcycle riding peaks. Mitchell spoke at a news conference at an Interstate 95 rest stop near Laurel, with a backdrop of a state police helicopter, police motorcycles and 20 state troopers. Two officers, dressed in ventilated black leather riding suits, were holding sleek full-face riding helmets and standing next to low-handled, late-model sport motorcycles that first gained popularity in Europe and are growing in number here. The bikes, designed for driver comfort and greater stability, can travel up to 150 mph. "I agree there is a problem out there," said Bob Henig, whose Jessup motorcycle shop supplied the sport bikes for the news conference. "People end up with toys they're not yet trained on." Mitchell described a June 2 accident in Howard County in which a motorcyclist traveling on I-95 at 150 mph struck a tractor-trailer and was killed instantly. On June 13 in Prince George's County, a sport motorcyclist trying to pass traffic on the shoulder along Route 50 crashed and was killed. Aggressive cyclists, dubbed "road rocket riders" by police, sweep across several lanes of traffic and weave among cars and along road shoulders. "There are too many stories to enumerate," said Mitchell, who added that the problem has worsened in the past three years and most often occurs on federal and state highways in urban areas. While troopers are reluctant to engage in prolonged chases to apprehend violators, "we have some other tricks up our sleeve," Mitchell said. That includes a police helicopter with a video camera to track and record aggressive drivers and strategically placed teams of troopers in cars and on motorcycles to slow down cyclists and pull them over. Surveillance may help officers track down cyclists who outrun police. State police asked motorists to dial #77 on their cellular phones to report aggressive cyclists as quickly and with as much detail as possible. Mitchell, who owns a motorcycle and has ridden for 36 years, said, "Even those who operate motorcycles recognize this is crazy." M-) 2000 The Washington Post Company Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 08:06:01 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:05:47 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to SportBikes in MD. To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX Apprehension Mechanism: One of the tactics that you can expect the police to use is partial pursuit. Partial pursuit is pursuit to the point of being able to read your license plate, photographing it, and breaking off the chase, and waiting for you at home. The precedence has been set for red-light camera to nail people by photo evidence. The legal theory is that you own the bike, you are responsible for its operation, and if you claim that the rider was not you, you are withholding evidence of a crime (accessory after the fact) by not revealing who you loaned your bike to during the time the crime was committed. A legal conundrum that traps people on red light camera issues. Whether this theory will hold water is the province of the courts, lawyers and future experience. However, it is enough of a theory to put police action in motion. The police have kicked off a campaign against sports bikes and if there is evidence that pursuits, and partial pursuits, are not getting the results the government wants, look to restrictions on sales, increases in fees and probably, additional protective clothing requirements. Its a familiar story and it looks like the law is getting ready to repeat it with a new category of rider. (Kathleen: As the legislative rep you can see where this is going and it's going to get real sticky in the Legislature. DC and VA are outside of our scope, but we can do some preemptive coordinating with the legislature and the MD State police. Contact me off line and lets see what we can do to for the Maryland Riders.) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 09:06:06 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:04:06 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride Statistics As a constant lurker and infrequent contributor to DC-Cycles, I have followed the group ride/crash stastistics exchanges with interest. I'm amazed at the number of people criticizing Brian for his insights into problem. Folks, Brian is right. There is no excuse for the number of accidents suffered in recent group rides. His suggestion that those who want to ride hard (and anyone who is making multiple strafing passes on 211 certainly qualifies) should get themselves to the track, either for track days or for licensing, is right on target. Tim Morrow -- MSF #21769 CCS M/A Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 09:08:46 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:08:33 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/3/00 06:58:46 Eastern Daylight Time, Gawthrop@XXXXXX writes: >Also, MD is >advertising a mobile number ( # something) for drivers to call in with >descriptions and tag numbers All the more reason not to wash your bike ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 09:46:11 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 06:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Kozyn wrote: > Brian always seems to have a bad day Laura. It's > part of his antagonistic > charm, I guess. In fact, he who couldn't wait to > bail outta DC moved to > Arizona just to get away from himself ;) But he > screwed up. Hehehe, just > kidding Brian,...maybe :) > > Laura, you _are_ right and Brian McCoy is wrong > here; big time. The rest of > this is for BM and not Ms. Granato : > > ------ > > Dood, you are so heavy-handed in your criticism, > that even a critical, > heavy-handed sort like me gets offended. (I'm > serious). > > You dont give anyone quarter. The worst thing about > it is that you're as > young as you are. You're what,... 25? Lighten up and > please spare DC-Cycles > from any more of your hubris. Here, here.....finally somebody speaks up about the bullshit that sometimes flows into the list from Arizona. I'm just a little surprised that it was JK that finally broke the ice! Not that your posts aren't occasionally very insightful, Brian....it's really nice to read a post that you have spent some time putting together on a given topic that you have learned at MMI. I'm sure most of us consider it a no-cost classroom session. The problem lies in the rest of your posts....for those I can actually envision you patting yourself on the back while you're hitting the send button, and all I can remember of your riding abilities is that you go down on the street a hell of a lot more than most of us. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 10:17:52 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:17:38 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here's my two cents on this whole thing. Rather than keep arguing about who's to blame, why not take the info and criticisms given and learn from them? This list has a history of letting things develop into long, drawn out flame wars that occassionally end up pissing off and chasing away some listers. I thought this list was supposed to be about riding and having fun, not bickering and pointing fingers. Shit happens. Learn from it and move on. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 10:38:32 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Here's my two cents on this whole thing. Rather than > keep arguing about who's > to blame, why not take the info and criticisms given > and learn from them? It would be nice if you could quote some original text so I could figure out if this was directed at me. Brian is the one pointing fingers here....not me. I'm simply pointing out that he should put that finger somewhere else. > This list has a history of letting things develop > into long, drawn out flame > wars that occassionally end up pissing off and > chasing away some listers. I > thought this list was supposed to be about riding > and having fun, not > bickering and pointing fingers. Shit happens. Learn > from it and move on. This list is for more than shits and grins. Speaking of riding....myself and 4 buddies (Todd Peer, Glenn Dysart, Steve Beck, Dillon Dickson) did just over 600 miles yesterday on a WVa sport-tour. Incredible day, up until the rains started--over 100 miles from home. Luckily, the supposed increased police presence for the holiday weekend was nowhere to be seen. Glenn Dysart could post the route for anybody interested in doing a FULL DAY of riding. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 10:57:00 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:56:52 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Md. Puts Brakes on Reckless Motorcyclists Md. Puts Brakes on Reckless Motorcyclists http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43815-2000Jul4.html By Susan DeFord Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, July 4, 2000; Page B02 Maryland State Police say the latest serious danger on the highways is speeding sport motorcyclists who flout basic rules of safety, and now they are the target of a new crackdown. Announcing the enforcement action on the eve of the July 4 holiday, Col. David B. Mitchell, the state police superintendent, directed his remarks to aggressive motorcyclists who often travel at more than twice the posted speed limits on highways: "You have received the last warning from Maryland State Police. We intend to change your behavior." The campaign, called Operation Rocket Roundup, begins today and will continue through the summer, when motorcycle riding peaks. Mitchell spoke at a news conference at an Interstate 95 rest stop near Laurel, with a backdrop of a state police helicopter, police motorcycles and 20 state troopers. Two officers, dressed in ventilated black leather riding suits, were holding sleek full-face riding helmets and standing next to low-handled, late-model sport motorcycles that first gained popularity in Europe and are growing in number here. The bikes, designed for driver comfort and greater stability, can travel up to 150 mph. "I agree there is a problem out there," said Bob Henig, whose Jessup motorcycle shop supplied the sport bikes for the news conference. "People end up with toys they're not yet trained on." Mitchell described a June 2 accident in Howard County in which a motorcyclist traveling on I-95 at 150 mph struck a tractor-trailer and was killed instantly. On June 13 in Prince George's County, a sport motorcyclist trying to pass traffic on the shoulder along Route 50 crashed and was killed. Aggressive cyclists, dubbed "road rocket riders" by police, sweep across several lanes of traffic and weave among cars and along road shoulders. "There are too many stories to enumerate," said Mitchell, who added that the problem has worsened in the past three years and most often occurs on federal and state highways in urban areas. While troopers are reluctant to engage in prolonged chases to apprehend violators, "we have some other tricks up our sleeve," Mitchell said. That includes a police helicopter with a video camera to track and record aggressive drivers and strategically placed teams of troopers in cars and on motorcycles to slow down cyclists and pull them over. Surveillance may help officers track down cyclists who outrun police. State police asked motorists to dial #77 on their cellular phones to report aggressive cyclists as quickly and with as much detail as possible. Mitchell, who owns a motorcycle and has ridden for 36 years, said, "Even those who operate motorcycles recognize this is crazy." M-) 2000 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 11:01:11 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike To: FGrefe@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Art Crow (former owner of Rider Accessory Warehouse) was/is a wealth of information on all things motorcycle. He closed up shop to concentrate on health concerns. Has anybody had any communication with him of late? Corbett '99 K1200RS --- FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/00 6:08:15 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > tansey@XXXXXX writes: > > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 > Virago 535, so I do not > > have a center stand. > > park it so the kids around here have less of a > chance of pulling the bike > > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly > easier to rock it off > > balance. > > Some covers come with holes at the bottom, so you > can pinch the cover > together underneath the bike and lock the two sides > together. This way the > cover can't be taken off. If your cover doesn't > come with them, it wouldn't > be hard to add them. When I lived in a condo in > Reston, I never had any > problems with the kids as long as I kept the bike > covered. Of course this > didn't stop the A-holes that stole it, but it wasn't > a gated parking lot > either. > > My favorite story came from Art, the guy who used to > own the motorcycle > accessory store in Falls Church. He had a nice BMW > that he kept parked in > front of his townhouse. Whenever he'd see the > neighborhood kids starting to > touch or climb on his bike, he come outside, tell > them that they set off the > "silent alarm" and warn them to stay off it. Now > usually the kids were doing > this with their parents standing by and the parents > would never keep the kids > off the bike. One day, when he got tired of telling > the same kids to stay > off the bike, he watched as the kids started > climbing on the bike and the > parents just stood by. Art ran out of the house, > while racking a shotgun. > Now that he had everyone's full attention he said > "Oh its just you kids. You > set the alarm off and I thought someone was stealing > my bike." After that > day, the parents wouldn't let the kids get within 20 > feet of the bike. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 11:36:05 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:35:47 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/4/00 10:38:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > It would be nice if you could quote some original text > so I could figure out if this was directed at me. > Here's your quotes. My previous message was directed toward anyone who reads it. >Brian is the one pointing fingers here....not me. I'm >simply pointing out that he should put that finger >somewhere else. Why should he put that finger somewhere else? From reading his posts, I agree with Brian. IMHO, he didn't say anything that wasn't obvious, but apparently some people need bright neon signs to point things out to them. If anything he said offended you, then perhaps you're guilty of the things he pointed out. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 11:43:43 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride Statistics To: Tim Morrow , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tim Morrow wrote: > As a constant lurker and infrequent contributor to > DC-Cycles, I have > followed the group ride/crash stastistics exchanges > with interest. I'm > amazed at the number of people criticizing Brian for > his insights into > problem. Folks, Brian is right. There is no excuse > for the number of > accidents suffered in recent group rides. Of course Brian is right in this respect.....it's just that Brian isn't the one who should be lecturing the group about it....and he should know that. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 12:04:53 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/4/00 10:38:48 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > >Brian is the one pointing fingers here....not me. > >I'm simply pointing out that he should put that > >finger somewhere else. > > Why should he put that finger somewhere else? Because he talks down at the group as though he were the last word in motorcycle riding, safety and maintenance. > From reading his posts, I agree > with Brian. IMHO, he didn't say anything that wasn't > obvious, but apparently > some people need bright neon signs to point things > out to them. If anything > he said offended you, then perhaps you're guilty of > the things he pointed out. Nope....that's the beauty of it. BRIAN HIMSELF is guilty of the things he pointed out. And if you like the way that Brian attempts to preach to the group, I feel for you. DC-Cycles has "not gone downhill, but fallen off a cliff" because a few poor souls made some mistakes? If only we were all so perfect as Brian and yourself.....but wait: I seem to recall a Van Slyke having a mishap on a group ride within the last 2 years. Could that have been you? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 12:09:51 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride Statistics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As a follow up to my last message.... I spoke recently with a friend who rode with Mr. McCoy a couple years back. Apparently Brian showed up on a group ride with a bike that had, in essence, NO WORKING BRAKES. He thereafter proceeded to run off the road. And I'm supposed to listen to his sermon without laughing out loud? Please. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > As a constant lurker and infrequent contributor to > > DC-Cycles, I have > > followed the group ride/crash stastistics > exchanges > > with interest. I'm > > amazed at the number of people criticizing Brian > for > > his insights into > > problem. Folks, Brian is right. There is no excuse > > for the number of > > accidents suffered in recent group rides. > > Of course Brian is right in this respect.....it's > just > that Brian isn't the one who should be lecturing the > group about it....and he should know that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 12:54:05 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 12:59:19 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed Hey all I have been reading and posting to the flame war that has taken place the last few days since Saturdays ride. The only thing that upsets me is that if the same people where sitting around on their bikes (me included) where having the same conversation in person, I just don't see the tensions reaching the point they have gotten too on the list. We all have a love of riding and group rides are a great way for us to share our love for the sport and exchange stories as well as make new friends and finally put faces to the word that we spend so much time reading. I feel a camaraderie with you all and look forward to reading your posts and seeing what's new with everyone. I have been on the list now for over a year and can tell when some one has had a bad day just from how they post. I feel the pain of everyone of us that goes down, visualizing the turn of events in my head and wondering if there was anything I would have done differently or if I would have ended up doing the same thing with the same out come. There has been times that I look back at some of my posts and wish I could delete it out of everyone's email and replace it with a new message better worded, but you can't and I try and take that into account when I read the occasional post that strikes the wrong cord. Besides if we all had the same point of view what a boring list this would be. I look at you all like kind of an extended family. You are the people that I can share my passion of bikes with. As I'm sure you all know that look that non riders get when you get a little to long winded about a ride or bike related topic. That one that said "my god, doesn't this guy think about anything else?". Well I think I have spent enough time on the soap box so I will pass it on the next person. Take care all and hope to talk and see you all soon. Until then take care, Nelson 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 13:07:28 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:09:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Nelson Fernandez CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed Hey Nelson! Is that a clip or rivet master link??? %^) Skittles, aka Chuck Nelson Fernandez wrote : > > Until then take care, > Nelson > 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 13:18:02 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:23:17 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez To: "Charles V. Pena" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed Its a clip for right now but when I make the convertion to the 520 setup it will most likely be a rivet. I needed a chain that I could put on with what I had on me to get the bike home. Nelson "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Hey Nelson! Is that a clip or rivet master link??? %^) > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > Nelson Fernandez wrote : > > > > Until then take care, > > Nelson > > 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:26:12 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Garcia Oliver" , "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "'Matthew Ehlert'" , "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:20:23 -0400 I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, its interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so > smart. > > mark Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try Holland. Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of Western Europe is far less restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, for starters. Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. Just don't be a Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh (or, earlier, Mormon). Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's County has more cases in a month than Iceland has in a decade. Political freedom? US has the full range of political discourse from "A" to "B". You can say what you want because (and as long as) it doesn't matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks on the Civil Rights movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther Party. And, btw, this email and all others are monitored ("Project Echelon") by the US government, according to a PC World Magazine report. (..."According to intelligence experts in the United States and Europe, a massive electronic intercept program called Project Echelon scans all Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, and long-distance telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic communication--looking for evidence of terrorist activity, military threats, and transnational crime. "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive U.S. National Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom...") The article was at: I hope that this has answered your question. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:35:48 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Brian McCoy" , "dc" Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:30:06 -0400 Again, this may be a late response, but been out of town... Brian, First, What exactly do you mean by "read more and more like DC Sportbiker?" I am truly interested to know. Second, how can you say "But the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to the bikes or ourselves." and then "no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be." You think that its ALWAYS the riders fault, for EVERY mishap???? A buddy of mine had his bike stolen, guess it was his fault for owning one in the first place, what a dumb ass. Were you on something when you wrote this bullshit? It really disturbs me every time I'm reminded that there's people like you out there. -----Original Message----- From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:30 PM To: dc Subject: rides today... is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to read more and more like DC Sportbiker... Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. Be it from lack of maintenance on the riders part (the chain and front tire today), to lack of awareness of your surroundings (the bent rims, and sand episode). And then the all-to-common 'riding over your head' episodes. Yea, I can think of a thousand excuses for all of them too.. so save it. Maybe it's time for everyone to reevaluate what riding means to them.. are you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? If so, then allow your tires to go bald, skip the regular maintenance and upkeep on the bike and continue riding in your traditional reckless manor. But perhaps you should also hang a sign on your bike so the people who don't want to accept YOUR risks can quietly depart to have a fun and SAFE ride by themselves. But those are the people it's relatively easy to pick out of a crowd... what about those who just don't pay attention to their surroundings? Well, those people are a little harder to finger until they toss a bike, or pull a bonehead move infront of others. That's mostly true with those who ride over their heads. And, yes.. I've been guilty of all of the above.. and I got tired of the shit being on my conscious all the time. I fixed the bike and haven't had a problem with it since.. I got onto the racetrack to raise my ability on the bike so I wasn't pushing my limits so damn much when out with groups and riding with friends. And I made the mental change to open my eyes more, though that still does slip every now and again where I invite trouble. But the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to the bikes or ourselves. I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. *shaking his head* Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:37:14 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: , Subject: RE: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:31:38 -0400 I'm very sorry to hear about this. Keep your heads up. -----Original Message----- From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [mailto:FGrefe@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were involved can post details if they'd like to. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:59:38 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree.... i am glad to join this list recently and see that people are not afraid to post their opinions... and especially those that had miss haps and have the guts to post... so that others might learn. as far as laying down a motorcycle..... there is a old saying in aviation about landing gear up that i think applies "there is those of us that have, and those of us that will" as far as successful group ride there is another old aviation saying that i think applies as well "a good landing is when you are able to crawl away" anyways Saturday i had something happen to me that never occurred to think about...... my wife rode on the back of my suzuki 1400 intruder.... and we went up to Thorton's gap parked and climb up and summated Mary's rock... about 1200 ft ascent. Hiking back down i knew we were both getting a little tired by our feet stumbling on the rocky trial. So we agreed to take more stops on our way back to falls church, va..... getting up to speed on 211 on the straight section... suddenly i feel my wife's helmet hit mine and a strong jerk to the left as my wife realized she had fallen asleep.... needless to say i was able to keep the bike in a somewhat straight line.... followed by blows to my back from my wife (our hand signals to stop and get some coffee). --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Hey all > > I have been reading and posting to the flame war > that has taken place > the last few days since Saturdays ride. The only > thing that upsets me > is that if the same people where sitting around on > their bikes (me > included) where having the same conversation in > person, I just don't see > the tensions reaching the point they have gotten too > on the list. We > all have a love of riding and group rides are a > great way for us to > share our love for the sport and exchange stories as > well as make new > friends and finally put faces to the word that we > spend so much time > reading. I feel a camaraderie with you all and look > forward to reading > your posts and seeing what's new with everyone. I > have been on the list > now for over a year and can tell when some one has > had a bad day just > from how they post. I feel the pain of everyone of > us that goes down, > visualizing the turn of events in my head and > wondering if there was > anything I would have done differently or if I would > have ended up doing > the same thing with the same out come. > > There has been times that I look back at some of my > posts and wish I > could delete it out of everyone's email and replace > it with a new > message better worded, but you can't and I try and > take that into > account when I read the occasional post that strikes > the wrong cord. > Besides if we all had the same point of view what a > boring list this > would be. I look at you all like kind of an > extended family. You are > the people that I can share my passion of bikes > with. As I'm sure you > all know that look that non riders get when you get > a little to long > winded about a ride or bike related topic. That one > that said "my god, > doesn't this guy think about anything else?". > > Well I think I have spent enough time on the soap > box so I will pass it > on the next person. Take care all and hope to talk > and see you all > soon. > > Until then take care, > Nelson > 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:02:23 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:05:32 -0400 > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." > My concern is not what other countries have more or less freedom than the US, but that we are able to preserve and protect the freedom that we have. >From my perspective, it seems that many freedoms previously taken for granted are being eroded. The process is so slow and gradual that we do not immediately see what is happening. But it seems like the pace is picking up and most of these new 'feel good' laws are being proposed, implemented, and enforced under the name of safety. With each new safety device or perceived threat, the line drawn in the sand gets closer and closer to me. In the grand scheme of things, a helmet protest is a small thing. But put in the perspective of pushing back the line in the sand, it is important and those who choose to participate should be commended. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:03:51 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: , Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:58:12 -0400 Oh, please. The only one that does not seem to be doing any self-examination is Brian. Yes, I'm newer to this list but I sure am not going to trust the opinions of someone who thinks they know everything, and thinks they can condemn a whole list, while they themselves are now somehow exempt from crashes because he's been on a bike a whopping FIVE YEARS. -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 8:56 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rides today... In a message dated 7/2/00 01:47:19 Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > Shoot, but what the hell do I know.. I'm just some 26 year old punk kid > who's only been riding for 5 years Brian - from a 54 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 39 years, hang in there. You are saying things that need to be said, and saying them well. If others are taking offence, perhaps they should be looking in the mirror a bit more closely. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:13:45 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:16:55 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFE5CA.E39DFE40 I am a recent subscriber to this list. I've been riding about 29 years, = started riding dirt bikes, next mostly cruisers, and I occassionally = ride a full dress bike. I haven't tried sport bikes yet, but there's = still time... Since this list seems to have a large number of sport = bike riders, I have a question. I read the article in today's paper about Operation Rocket Roundup. = This is a police a enforcement technique using a combination of = motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks. =20 What are your perceptions of this program? Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair = enforcement policies regarding this program? Do you believe this program is right or wrong? I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I = have yet to experience. Kathleen Loerich ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFE5CA.E39DFE40
I am a recent subscriber to this = list.  I've=20 been riding about 29 years, started riding dirt bikes, next mostly = cruisers, and=20 I occassionally ride a full dress bike.  I haven't tried sport = bikes yet,=20 but there's still time...  Since this list seems to have a large = number of=20 sport bike riders, I have a question.
 
I read the article in today's paper = about Operation=20 Rocket Roundup.  This is a police a enforcement technique using a=20 combination of motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks.  =
 
What are your perceptions of this=20 program?
 
Do you believe that the police will use = safe,=20 judicious, and fair enforcement policies regarding this = program?
 
Do you believe this program is right or = wrong?
 
I'm mostly curious, because many of you = indulge in=20 a type of riding I have yet to experience.
 
Kathleen = Loerich
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFE5CA.E39DFE40-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:14:00 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Kathleen Loerich" , Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:08:17 -0400 Then those efforts should be applied toward a valid issue, in which there are multiple valid viewpoints such as capital punishment, abortion, taxation or even immigration issues. -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Loerich [mailto:KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 3:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." > My concern is not what other countries have more or less freedom than the US, but that we are able to preserve and protect the freedom that we have. >From my perspective, it seems that many freedoms previously taken for granted are being eroded. The process is so slow and gradual that we do not immediately see what is happening. But it seems like the pace is picking up and most of these new 'feel good' laws are being proposed, implemented, and enforced under the name of safety. With each new safety device or perceived threat, the line drawn in the sand gets closer and closer to me. In the grand scheme of things, a helmet protest is a small thing. But put in the perspective of pushing back the line in the sand, it is important and those who choose to participate should be commended. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:45:29 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Wysocki, Bannon" , "'Charles V. Pena'" , "DC Cycles" , "Bannon Wysocki" Subject: RE: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:39:39 -0400 BTW, Bannon I know this is late but I'm pretty sure it was you in front of me who motioned with your foot about the pothole on McArthur that ultimately Constantino hit - if you hadn't motioned I would have hit it as well. I motioned as well, but Constantino was either too close or didn't see me soon enough or whatever. In any case, this is a perfect example of the importance of handsignals. THANKS! -----Original Message----- From: Wysocki, Bannon [mailto:Bannon.Wysocki@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 10:11 AM To: 'Charles V. Pena'; DC Cycles; Bannon Wysocki Subject: RE: Saturday ride - not the best Just A Thought... I was on the ride July 1st and the one before that too (BANNON R6). I am amazed at the ratio of crashers to riders. I can see that there are many causes to these incidents: Ability/knowledge, size of group and speed, mechanical. My first point of ability is one that only the rider knows. No one is out to "upstage" any one with regards to riding ability. Please ride within yours and the rides will be much more enjoyable for everyone. My rule of thumb is to NEVER ride behind someone that is slower than me because it takes me out of my natural flow on the roads. If I have to break mid turn because someone is easing through it, I'm putting myself and anyone behind me in a hairy situation. Also, everyone should know how to ride in a group, i.e. 2 second rule, etc. and know all of the hand signals used for communication, i.e., one finger pointing straight up to indicate single file riding, foot signals, etc. We should go over these every ride. It will only make all of us better is we ride with people whom we don't know. Second point of size and speed of the group is a coordination point. Smaller groups are just more manageable. There is no reason why we can't start off with smaller groups (6) and then let the people ride into different groups through natural selection. If you can catch the group in front of you, fine and you won't be running into point number 1. We always have natural regrouping points along the way and I don't mind waiting for any one and appreciate it when people wait for me. Finally, mechanically sound bikes are the easiest way not to get surprised. Always check air pressure before riding which will cause you to LOOK at your tire wear. There is no excuse for worn tires, not even money. Just save up and don't ride because hospital bills and fairings cost a lot more than a new set of Dunlop's (mounted too). By default, keeping your bike clean will cause you to put your hands on every part of your bike and notice anything that may need tightening or repair, I haven't seen a dirty bike yet which is good. I think there should be a mandatory plan if we have an incident. First, check and see if the rider is OK then check the condition of the bike. If the bike is rideable, or should I say appears to be, continue or that rider should head back to the barn because a hidden crack in a frame is NOT safe and can lead to a catastrophic failure in machinery. EVERYONE must take responsibility for their machines. We all should have a plan if something should happen to someone's bike. And the answer is not Danny's wife! I'm not going to burden anyone with my mishap as long as I can walk and talk. We all need to carry cell phones, have a number to call if our rides become unrideable, have our insurance cards on us somewhere with a number to get in touch with a friend or relative if we need to have them meet us somewhere. I'm not trying to be cold or even a DICK but I don't think 26 riders need to stop and wait until someone is taken care of. The faster we can establish a plan for the incident, the faster we can all get back on the ride. As long as no one is hurt it should be OK for that person to wait and get picked up. If someone wants to volunteer to stay with that person that's cool too. Just know the ride plan and catch up later. If you don't know the ride plan, carry a print out of it. The easiest way to see the route is to put some masking tape on your gas tank and write the important turns on it in big black letters: L Rt. 55, R rt. 278, L rt. 66, etc. Then we should lose less riders, right. This is just common sense and good preparation. The rides will be more efficient and enjoyable if we all practice good motorcycle etiquette. I love riding with you all and will see you out there again. BANNON R6 Bannon P. Wysocki Region Manager Corporate Express Promotional Marketing Mid-Atlantic 1307 Ross Drive, SW, Vienna, VA 22180 Office: 703.242.4413 Fax: 703.783.8643 bannon.wysocki@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:07 PM To: DC Cycles; Bannon Wysocki Subject: Saturday ride - not the best We had a glorious day for riding today. And 20+ people showed up at the Sheetz to ride. But you know what they way about the best laid plans... With that many people, we decided that it would be best to sub-divide into at least 2, if not 3, groups of riders -- with Danny taking the lead. Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my knowledge, was not seen again. The rest of us took Old Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton to get to Crest Rd. and then onto Flint Hill and 211. I was riding sweep and saw a bunch off guys both on and off motorcycles to the side of the road. My first thought was that someone went down. Fortunately, that was not the case. Broken chain. Rider on a Yam FZR (sorry, but I know I didn't meet everyone and I also know I can't remember everyone's names!) After finding out what had happened I continued up the road to catch Danny and the rest of the group. Well, I guess they figured out something was wrong because I eventually caught them back-tracking. Anyway, we re-grouped and hung out in a gravel driveway off the side of the road while Danny called his wife and asked her to bring his truck to load up the FZR to take back to wherever. Danny volunteered to stay and said he would catch up with us at the base of the mountain (Dixie gas/gift shop). Todd Peer got volunteered to lead the "front" group out to Flint Hill and 211. I led the "back" group out after giving Todd a few minutes head start. On the way up the mountain, I noticed Han Park (and his bike, purple F2) standing on the side of the road. He looked calm and relaxed so I figured he was just taking a break (strange place for a break) and/or waiting for us (but why?) It turns out that Han and Fred (having lost Sanath) beat everyone to the mountain and had made at least one (if not two) runs already (even before the front group). What I didn't know at the time was that Han had lowsided in one of the turns. Fortunately, he was OK (although I have absolutely no idea how his butt managed to survive sliding wearing only jeans!) As best we could tell, the damage was mostly cosmetic (scuffed up left side fairing and broken windshield). But the F2 was ridable. The culprit in this accident may have been the front tire. Upon inspection, it was more than apparent that the tire had seen better days. Further up the road, there was a bit of chaos with lots of bikes off to the side and lots of people giving the "slow down" signal. Apparently, Kirt Senser (F4) also lowsided. The culprit in this accident was in all likelihood sand/gravel in the road. Bannon was riding in front of Kirt and he said he felt his back end step out and then looked in his mirrors and saw Kirt going down. BTW, I didn't witness either Han's or Kirt's crashes so others may have better details about what happened. Anyway, Kirt was/is OK. For those that are wondering, Aerostitch suits work! But his bike was/is not. The damage was more than cosmetic. In fact, it was not ridable back down the mountain. I went to the top and turned around to re-group with whoever was either at the top and/or following me. I then went back down the mountain and just waited/chilled at the Dixie gas/gift shop (there were already lots of lots of people helping out at the side of the road). Eventually, everyone drifted back down the mountain and parked it. Kirt caught a ride on the back of someone's m/c and left his F4 up on the mountain. We all waited for Danny to show up to figure out how best to handle this particular situation. When he finally did, Danny called the Honda Owner's Club to get a truck to come out to get Kirt's bike. Once again, Danny volunteered to stick around until help arrived. I was running out of riding time, so announced that I was heading back to civilization. Todd Peer led those who still wanted to ride up over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal. Hopefully, the rest of their ride was uneventful. A handful of us basically back-tracked on most of the roads we rode out on and went back to Marshall and eventually got on I-66 (at 15) to drone back in. I know I got 200 miles of riding, but definitely not "quality" miles. Certainly, not the best of days riding. I am glad that Han and Kirt are OK (even though there bikes are in various states of not-OK). I hope the rest of the ride with Todd went OK for everyone. I would've like to joined, but had to be home at 2pm and got home pretty much on time. I'm still doing the Monday ride leaving from The Java Shack at 9:30am (meet for espressos/lattes at 9am). We'll go up into Montgomery and Frederick Counties. 2-3 hours of riding. I've got some roads I want to check out so the pace won't be blistering. Everyone have a safe and happy 4th of July! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:48:44 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Operation Rocket Roundup It's unclear to me... will we be seeing MD troopers on K1200RS's or were they just on loan from Bob's for the photo op? "standing next to low-handled, late-model sport motorcycles that first gained popularity in Europe and are growing in number here. The bikes, designed for driver comfort and greater stability, can travel up to 150 mph" I like the description of the RS's as "supposed cutting edge sport bikes." Don't get me wrong, I like them and they are VERY nice bikes, but I would not describe them as cutting edge sport bikes and certainly not the type that you're typical crotch-rocket DC-Cyclist (ooops, I mean hard riding sport biker) would ride. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 18:10:20 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: see ya.. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:11:05 -0700 And in responce to my opinion about the downward trend of DC Cycles, the bands of roaving flamers leap out to prove my point. It's not worth my time anymore to put up with the BS from those who don't understand that opinions are as worthy as the time it'd take to hit the delete key. So I'm off... If anyone WANTS to hear my opinions, they can track me down through e-mail, ICQ or AIM. I'll probably be lurking around Anitas DC are riders page aswell.. Ride safe for those of you who ride, and flame on those of you who flame. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 18:38:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from academic.pg.cc.md.us (academic.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64Mcp814873 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by academic.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA32212; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:05:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Mike T cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Maryland after sportbikes? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000704002239.00a36630@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Mike T wrote: > Curious what prompted this. It is just sport bikes > they are going after. Not to name names or anything (*cough*, *cough*), but isn't there "another" DC-area riders group whose creed and motto includes high-speed antics and running from the cops? :-) Hmmm, I'm off to check their web page... This almost helps with the pain of knowing my street ride won't be fixed for a while... Brad 99 CBR600 F4 (street, needs a-fixin') 99 SV650 (race) 88 FZR400 (race, soon to be for sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 18:42:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64Mgq814952 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-163.s163.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.163] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139bP0-0001t8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601bfe609$a3ad4900$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: MTAG - Maryland Electronic Toll Collection Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:46:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I must be getting nosy in my old age. But... Do any of you use the toll facilities in Baltimore? Have you had the = opportunity to use the MTAG lanes with your motorcycles? What, if any, = problems have you experienced using them with motorcycles? k.loerich ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I must be getting nosy in my old = age. =20 But...
 
Do any of you use the toll facilities = in=20 Baltimore?  Have you had the opportunity to use the MTAG lanes with = your=20 motorcycles?  What, if any, problems have you experienced using = them with=20 motorcycles?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 19:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64NFw815540 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e64NFqp16819 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup In-Reply-To: <005601bfe5ec$6b4e4f40$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Kathleen Loerich wrote: > I read the article in today's paper about Operation Rocket > Roundup. This is a police a enforcement technique using a combination of > motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks. > What are your perceptions of this program? I'm wondering why they need a special program. I have been endangered myself more than once by the profile of rider that they're describing. Once was on the beltway near Greenbelt when 30+ bikes came through sunday afternoon traffic using any space available (shoulder, between cars, between bikes, whatever) the other was on the BW Parkway. Both times the bikes were traveling in excess of 100mph IN HEAVY TRAFFIC. > Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair > enforcement policies regarding this program? No, I only hope that I don't suffer because of this program. I am somewhat aggressive in moving through traffic but, believe it or not, this is oriented towards safety. I feel like a sitting duck riding along in heavy traffic. I tend to move through the big groups of traffic and then settle down into the more open bits between groups. > I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I > have yet to experience. Riding fast on local highways does not meet my definition of sport riding. Outside of the really high speeds the type of behavior this program targets was exhibited by cruisers and standard bikes. The type of bike you ride also doesn't define what you do with it. One of the smoothest/fastest riders I know rode a cruiser until fairly recently. Sport riding, to me, is about getting to the good, twisty roads and taking the corners briskly but cruising through the straights. It's about being AWAY from traffic and enjoying the pure pleasure of riding. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 19:45:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64Nje816022 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.29.75c4307 (9665) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <29.75c4307.2693d116@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:45:26 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/4/00 12:05:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > Nope....that's the beauty of it. BRIAN HIMSELF is > guilty of the things he pointed out. > This is true, but he admitted that in his first post. The point is that it shouldn't happen. > And if you like the way that Brian attempts to preach > to the group, I feel for you. DC-Cycles has "not gone > downhill, but fallen off a cliff" because a few poor > souls made some mistakes? If only we were all so > perfect as Brian and yourself.....but wait: > I listen to what everyone has to say. Having ridden with Brian, and many others, I take what he and others have to say in perspective. And I agree that the list isn't what it used to be. There aren't group rides as often as before, and the rides that are planned are geared toward sportbikes. I would gladly volunteer to lead rides, but my work schedule prevents me from doing this. Perhaps I can get better days off in the coming shift bid at work and be able to lead some groups. At a slow pace, thank you. > I seem to recall a Van Slyke having a mishap on a > group ride within the last 2 years. Could that have > been you? Had you been there, you may recall that the accident was caused by a little red car in the middle of a narrow unmarked road coming the other way around a curve. I'm pretty sure everyone behind me saw this car, though I was too far ahead of them for them to see the accident happen. Arguing this is moot because it's your word versus mine, and I was there. Sigh, here we go pointing fingers again... Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 20:21:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e650L6816524 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705002059.1899.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.182] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:20:59 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/4/00 12:05:15 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > I seem to recall a Van Slyke having a mishap on a > > group ride within the last 2 years. Could that > > have been you? > > Had you been there, you may recall that the accident > was caused by a little > red car in the middle of a narrow unmarked road > coming the other way around a > curve. I'm pretty sure everyone behind me saw this > car, though I was too far > ahead of them for them to see the accident happen. > Arguing this is moot > because it's your word versus mine, and I was there. > Sigh, here we go > pointing fingers again... What happened and how it happened isn't the point of all this. Perhaps I was a bit too eager to jump on the back of John Kozyn's comment to Brian....I had simply heard enough. I'm actually really sorry I even said anything. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 20:58:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e650wC817034 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705005805.6580.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:58:05 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: operation rocket roundup To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathleen wrote: >What are your perceptions of this program? I think my overall reaction will have to be reserved to see how they run the operation, but i see why they are implementing it. There is another local riding group who primarily post on one of the Yahoo club boards. Often, they post on there about high speed runs from DC to baltimore, often after dark, winging in and out of traffic, and often with crashes or police eluding. (only picking on the other list cause they post about it all the time.... some here may do it, but they aren't posting about it) anywho.. this type of behavior is highly visible in the public eye and makes it easy for Joe Public to hate all motorcyclists based on their views of a small minority. >Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair = >enforcement policies regarding this program? That depends... I hear horror stories about one of the counties over in MD using pretty rough tactics... Using the helicoptor will make it much easier to track a running bike; however, getting a positive tag id is going to be very difficult. The type of rider who normally fits into the profile they are after are the riders that take their tag and stuff it waaaaaay up under their fender and in front of the rear tire at an angle. I still haven't figured out how this is legal since the tag is definitely not readable nor lighted, but I've yet to see it enforced either. So, they will likely have to pursue more to get a solid enough ID to hold up in court. More pursuit, especially with the higher speed cop bikes will likely result in more crashes rather than incidentless arrests/traffic stops. I can easily hear us reading in the paper about how a pursued biker died from running into a road block. Then watch the lawsuits fly. On several occasions, I have seen MD troopers stepping out into the middle of I-95 and hold the universal stop sign up.. presonally, you couldn't pay me enough to do something so foolish. >Do you believe this program is right or wrong? I can't think of any other real ways of solving the problem other than setting up something like a toll booth... observe the bikes from the air, then bust em at the toll booth.. but that would never be practical on I-95 in that area. Another question about the program is how they plan on dealing with jurisdictional lines. When the biker passes out of MD into VA, DC or whatever, will the helo be allowed to follow it and summons be served?? or will the pursuit be called off?? >I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I = >have yet to experience. Please don't conduse triple digit highway weaving with all aspects of sportbike riding... Most of us tend to avoid the superslabs as much as possible, moreso favoring isolated winding back roads. And while not necessarily at or below the posted limit, we *usually* ride pretty responsibly and reasonable (but of course, everyone gets carried away now and then) Hope any of this was useful to you Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651CU817269 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b0.76165eb (4574) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:12:16 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/4/00 15:50:22 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX writes: > It's unclear to me... > will we be seeing MD troopers on K1200RS's or were they just on loan from > Bob's for the photo op? And will they be able to get them into the 150 ~ 180 MPH range? Stay tuned - film at 11 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651Fm817346 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.66.536e493 (4574) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.536e493.2693e638@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:36 EDT Subject: Re: MTAG - Maryland Electronic Toll Collection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/4/00 18:44:11 Eastern Daylight Time, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX writes: > Do any of you use the toll facilities in Baltimore? Have you had the > opportunity to use the MTAG lanes with your motorcycles? What, if any, > problems have you experienced using them with motorcycles? If it's anything like the Fastoll/Smartag that Virginia uses, no problem. I'm using a Saeng radar detector mount to hold the transponder in an appropriate position and it reads (almost) every time. To be fair, it occasionally doesn't read when I'm in my minivan either. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:22:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651MJ817423 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id k.df.69af5d4 (4574); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:22:02 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/4/00 19:18:05 Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > I'm wondering why they need a special program. Mr. Joe Q. Public, here are your tax dollars at work. - purely PR >> Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair >> enforcement policies regarding this program? Snort! > I am somewhat > aggressive in moving through traffic but, believe it or not, this is > oriented towards safety. Studies by the CHP (sorry don't have reference handy) have shown that one is safer moving slightly faster than traffic than maintaining the same speed. The key word here is "slightly" - in the 2-3 MPH delta V range. This provides you a measure of control that is missing when going with the flow. Michael J. PS - "assertive" may be a better word than "agressive", given the political implications of the latter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:53:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651r0817845 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e651qtA25642; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39629367.11A3C734@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:46:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, and proper leather jacket break in includes at least 100 miles of dragging it on a rope tied to your bike. Might have to try that to get teh damn paint off mine, courtesy of the new paint in the school where we had the rah-rah pep rally. Bill MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke and it > > REALLY needs a cleaning! > > Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) > (it counts as a shower, too) > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:55:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651tF817858 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e651tBA25757; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: <396293EF.A2589A50@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:48:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tansey CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get a Dowco cover with a "Gold Wing" logo - nobody will touch it :-) Bill Tansey wrote: > I'm hoping to pull my bike out of storage next weekend and bring it to my > apartment complex. I've always had a private/secure place to keep my bike > so I've got a few questions. > > I have assigned parking, so I'll be putting the bike against the curb and > parking my car behind it. I've got Kryptonite disc locks (2) and cable > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not > have a center stand. > > I live in a soon-to-be-gated complex, so with any luck I'll manage to not > have it stolen *fingers crosses*. I am concerned with the optimal way to > park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off > balance. > > >From what I can tell I'll be the only one here with a bike and I can see > the kids being very curious about the shiny bike they know lives under the > cover. > > Thanks in advance, > > Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:59:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651xI817933 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e651x0A25959; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:01 -0400 Message-ID: <396294D4.B8BF484F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:52:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: tansey@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... I used a different tactic with the nieghborhood kids. I expalined that fresh off the road parts of the bike were *hot* enough to burn them. Amnd the bike could fall over if they climbed on it. Then I said y`all can come over when I'm around and sit on it. Instant grins, and now I have at least 20 guardians of my bike. Bill FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/00 6:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tansey@XXXXXX writes: > > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not > > have a center stand. > > park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike > > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off > > balance. > > Some covers come with holes at the bottom, so you can pinch the cover > together underneath the bike and lock the two sides together. This way the > cover can't be taken off. If your cover doesn't come with them, it wouldn't > be hard to add them. When I lived in a condo in Reston, I never had any > problems with the kids as long as I kept the bike covered. Of course this > didn't stop the A-holes that stole it, but it wasn't a gated parking lot > either. > > My favorite story came from Art, the guy who used to own the motorcycle > accessory store in Falls Church. He had a nice BMW that he kept parked in > front of his townhouse. Whenever he'd see the neighborhood kids starting to > touch or climb on his bike, he come outside, tell them that they set off the > "silent alarm" and warn them to stay off it. Now usually the kids were doing > this with their parents standing by and the parents would never keep the kids > off the bike. One day, when he got tired of telling the same kids to stay > off the bike, he watched as the kids started climbing on the bike and the > parents just stood by. Art ran out of the house, while racking a shotgun. > Now that he had everyone's full attention he said "Oh its just you kids. You > set the alarm off and I thought someone was stealing my bike." After that > day, the parents wouldn't let the kids get within 20 feet of the bike. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 22:03:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6523u818030 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6523jA26229; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: <396295F1.87666957@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:57:05 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hartzler CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Flat Tire Story References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pack a small bicycle pump that clips onto the stem. Builds up the pecs `cause it will take a 100 or more pump to gas a tire. Bill Peter Hartzler wrote: > All -- > > On Saturday I went out for a ride, and a spectacular day it was. On 601, > Mt. Weather Road, I encountered a biker stuck on the side of the road with > a flat. Since I had one of those glue+plug+CO2 kits, a couple of years > old, I said what the heck, and we worked on plugging up the tire. > > Turns out that the two CO2 charges weren't enough to come close to > completely inflating his tire. For a large tire, such as was on his bike > (and what's on mine, for that matter), I'd guess at least four, and more > comfortably five or six would be called for. > > The small puncture was in the thinnest part of his well worn rear tire. > I don't think that plug or that tire was worth a tinker's damn. However, > the plugged, underinflated tire was enough to allow us him limp along 601 > to a mutual friend's house (that was a surprise!) Riding 601 at about > twenty miles an hour was an interesting experience... > > Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the > kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well -- > and that's basically the point of my story -- if you have a mid to large > sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get > you road ready. > > Pete. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 22:14:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e652Eq818363 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.244]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24403 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:17:23 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I 100% agree with this. I just hope the cops in MD are targeting this program towards the yahoos/hooligans who ride on the interstates and other major thoroughfares. Hope they leave us alone on the backroads. Chuck, aka Skittles Kirk Roy wrote : > > Sport riding, to me, is about getting to the good, twisty roads and taking > the corners briskly but cruising through the straights. It's about being > AWAY from traffic and enjoying the pure pleasure of riding. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 23:48:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e653m5819958 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705034757.23526.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.7.100] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:47:57 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for your subjective views although i find it a socialistic view point... comparing other countries is healthy and we need objectivism. i don't think it's wise.... to not fight frivolous laws being passed in America. Our choices are being taking away...i call that pathetic. and also...one can be multitasked in his/hers efforts(meaning just because you fight the helmet law doesn't mean you can't fight taxation.. ect..). Multitasking is not just for Bill Gates and Windows..... contrary to popular beliefs. --- Big Matty wrote: > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on > today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are > so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence > Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you > make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other > countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more > freedom." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > What countries have more freedom than the US? > Name them if you are so > > smart. > > > > mark > > Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. > > Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try > Holland. > > Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of > Western Europe is far less > restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, > Denmark, for starters. > > Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. > Just don't be a > Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh > (or, earlier, Mormon). > > Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's > County has more cases in a > month than Iceland has in a decade. > > Political freedom? US has the full range of > political discourse from "A" > to "B". You can say what you want because (and as > long as) it doesn't > matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks > on the Civil Rights > movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther > Party. > > And, btw, this email and all others are monitored > ("Project Echelon") by > the US government, according to a PC World Magazine > report. > > (..."According to intelligence experts in the United > States and Europe, a > massive electronic intercept program called Project > Echelon scans all > Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, > and long-distance > telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic > communication--looking > for evidence of terrorist activity, military > threats, and transnational > crime. > > "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive > U.S. National > Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, > Canada, New Zealand, > and the United Kingdom...") > > The article was at: > > > > I hope that this has answered your question. > > --garcia > > > "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee > into a bottle in front > of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job > stacking boxes of > Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 00:53:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e654rm820933 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12546 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2000 04:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000705045340.12545.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.26.194.47 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:53:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.26.194.47] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:53:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I had a leather jacket that when new, was leaned (by me) onto a freshly painted wall corner. I could never get it out, and lived with it for many years. A friend said "I have something that will get that out". I said "yea,.. right". He brought out a bottle of "Goof-0ff" (sold in any hardware store) and the paint was gone in seconds.....no damage to the leather. I am sold on the stuff. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 > >Yeah, and proper leather jacket break in includes at least 100 miles of >dragging >it on a rope tied to your bike. > >Might have to try that to get teh damn paint off mine, courtesy of the new >paint >in the school where we had the rah-rah pep rally. > >Bill > >MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX > > writes: > > > > > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > > > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > > > > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke >and it > > > REALLY needs a cleaning! > > > > Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) > > (it counts as a shower, too) > > > > Michael J. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 00:58:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e654w9821031 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-122.s122.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.122] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139hGA-0003IJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:58:06 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Volt Thread, was RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/04/00 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfe63c$88371240$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200007042300.e64N02S15213@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > >From the link that horkster sent with nifty tire inflator: > "Note: due to firearms restrictions in California, residents there will > have to run this on 10 volts instead of 12." > > What is up with that?? What the hell does 2V difference in operating > voltage on a tire inflator have to do with firearms??? You know, I thought the same thing. Actually, I thought.."it's a joke". Isn't it? Can someone explain this? What does 2V mean? Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 01:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e655HG821366 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-122.s122.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.122] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139hYg-0004fK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:17:15 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/04/00 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfe63f$3479f840$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200007042300.e64N02S15213@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:47 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Mike T > Subject: Maryland after sportbikes? > > Anyone see the FOX special about MD going after sportbikes? I taped the > episode, and will pop it on my ftp site here in the next few minutes: > > ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman Well, I was NOT going to say this but...... Just so we are clear about this...Riding without a helmet = ok...? Speeding and passing on a double yellow (regardless of the inept judgment of highway engineers) = bad. BAD motorcyclist...BAD..BAD..BAD! You're a newbie...Bad. You ride a sport bike?...bad Well, you ride in a way that threatens the sensibility of the normal(y) insane (cage, mommy van, slow pick, geezer?)..Bad And goddamnit we're doing something about it. That's right folks, we are going to spend our last shilling to keep these threats off our roads...ahem... Fuck Maryland. Their roads suck anyway. Helloooo Mr. Gawthorpe...OoopS! Dang! I was gonna give you shit about this (helmets vs. sport riding), but you seem to be on my side. This is the BS you/And everyone reading should be fighting. I will. Helicopters? Been there...don't ask;-) Just pointing out the crap. My job. I'm a crap pointer ;-) Just ask anyone! Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 01:20:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e655K5821445 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e655K0A06061; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:20:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3962C3F0.1611E044@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:13:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Razz Man CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q References: <20000705045340.12545.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I'll give that a try... Bill Razz Man wrote: > I had a leather jacket that when new, was leaned (by me) onto a freshly > painted wall corner. I could never get it out, and lived with it for many > years. A friend said "I have something that will get that out". I said > "yea,.. right". He brought out a bottle of "Goof-0ff" (sold in any hardware > store) and the paint was gone in seconds.....no damage to the leather. I am > sold on the stuff. > > Razz > '99 ZX9R > '89 LTD454 > '86 LTD454 > > > > >Yeah, and proper leather jacket break in includes at least 100 miles of > >dragging > >it on a rope tied to your bike. > > > >Might have to try that to get teh damn paint off mine, courtesy of the new > >paint > >in the school where we had the rah-rah pep rally. > > > >Bill > > > >MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX > > > writes: > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > > > > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > > > > > > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke > >and it > > > > REALLY needs a cleaning! > > > > > > Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) > > > (it counts as a shower, too) > > > > > > Michael J. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 01:29:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e655TF821533 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18676 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14213 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-177.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.177]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA03420 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: see ya.. and re: Saturday's Ride Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000001bfe604$bf6750a0$e06bd3c6@tra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Let me get this straight. 1. A few riders go down on a group ride Saturday. 2. Brian says his piece on the trend of the group rides getting too dangerous. 3. The group responds, with some taking offense and other agreeing (so far so good). 4. Brian takes offense to the groups comments on the topic he started. 5. Brian gets mad, and takes his ball and goes home. Sounds like someone needs a nap. Brian, if you are reading this, stick around. Like you told the others, just use the delete key. I have been in the minority before in these discussions, and I eventually just take a step back, and a deep breath, and let it go. A few days and the topic will change to something else (helmets, gun control, whatever). Hey, at least it was about cycles! Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 6:11 PM > To: dc > Subject: see ya.. > > > And in responce to my opinion about the downward trend of DC Cycles, the > bands of roaving flamers leap out to prove my point. > > It's not worth my time anymore to put up with the BS from those who don't > understand that opinions are as worthy as the time it'd take to hit the > delete key. So I'm off... If anyone WANTS to hear my opinions, they can > track me down through e-mail, ICQ or AIM. I'll probably be lurking around > Anitas DC are riders page aswell.. > > Ride safe for those of you who ride, and flame on those of you who flame. > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 03:48:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e657m2824854 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.142] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A82B679E007E; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:47:55 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE633.9F918D20@2G0UP>; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:46:38 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE633.9F918D20@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'v4mofo@XXXXXX,'" , > Subject: RE: see ya.. Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:46:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BFE633.9F918D20" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BFE633.9F918D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =09 Brian, we've never met but I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past. = Though I do not agree with everything you say, I believe as a group it = is our loss that you will no longer post to the list. With the recent = flame wars, I also understand why you wouldn't want to read some of this = stuff any longer. So fare well; ride like the wind (with immunity :)) and keep the rubber = side down. Like Dennis Miller says: "...but thats just my opinion, I could be = wrong." 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I couldn't agree more. I find that because I spend time in Annapolis, know all of my legislators and a bunch of everyone elses, that I am more informed and in touch with the process and the system than most others. Testifying in General Assembly hearings is a grueling experience the first time and it opens one's eyes regarding what it really takes to effect change. Helmet laws may be the front, but behind the lines there a uncountable skirmishes. That would be both for motorcycle issues and those like taxes, education, transportation, and other social policies. How many people on this list know their state and US representatives? Have you ever made a phone call, paid a visit, or written a letter to them? Better yet, do you vote? Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 05:20:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e659KU826271 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-163.s163.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.163] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139lM4-0004vw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <010f01bfe662$b837a060$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: <000501bfe63f$3479f840$83d47ad1@todd> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/04/00 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:23:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Helloooo Mr. Gawthorpe...OoopS! Dang! I was gonna give you shit about this > (helmets vs. sport riding), but you seem to be on my side. This is the BS > you/And everyone reading should be fighting. I will. Helicopters? Been > there...don't ask;-) What do you believe would be an appropriate strategy for fighting this issue (Operation Rocket Roundup)? If you are aware of effective tactics to employ, some of the rest of us may be able to help. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 07:08:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65B86827770 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user113.anent.com [208.195.115.113]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18180 for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: <005601bfe671$4f500380$7173c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <000001bfe604$bf6750a0$e06bd3c6@tra> Subject: Re: see ya.. Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:08:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 He won't actually leave. He'll just lurk for six months to a year then post when something pops up that tweaks his interest. When the heat gets too hot he just bails out, just like moving to Arizona. Where ya gonna move to next Brian? I think some folks got tired of being preached to from 2000 miles away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: see ya.. > And in responce to my opinion about the downward trend of DC Cycles, the > bands of roaving flamers leap out to prove my point. > > It's not worth my time anymore to put up with the BS from those who don't > understand that opinions are as worthy as the time it'd take to hit the > delete key. So I'm off... If anyone WANTS to hear my opinions, they can > track me down through e-mail, ICQ or AIM. I'll probably be lurking around > Anitas DC are riders page aswell.. > > Ride safe for those of you who ride, and flame on those of you who flame. > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 07:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65BFl827922 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-224.patriot.net [209.249.180.224]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e65BFgA20959; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3963174D.43748810@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:09:01 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <005601bfe5ec$6b4e4f40$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB" --------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion - Having traveled Indian Head hiway and a few other MD roads, I have witnessed packs of seriously demented sportbikers in action. Passing on the right/left shoulder and betwixt traffic lanes at warp three etc... Hi-profile activity like that marks all of us as *bad* and attracts the attention of the poo-lice. The higher up brass screams stop those damn fools! So the troops muster and set out to quell the nvasion of the crazed sportbikers. I'm lukewarm about it. I hate to see people get hurt and hate to suffer from the broad brush stroke of bad bikers created by a few dozen whackoids. But letting the buggers run amuck would certainly improve the gene pool. Botomline - yes, the program is okay from a legal standpoint. A cops job is to enforce traffic laws. Road ragers and scofflaws have been targeted in the past. These folks are not *special* because they ride bikes. Bill Kathleen Loerich wrote: > I am a recent subscriber to this list. I've been riding about 29 > years, started riding dirt bikes, next mostly cruisers, and I > occassionally ride a full dress bike. I haven't tried sport bikes > yet, but there's still time... Since this list seems to have a large > number of sport bike riders, I have a question. I read the article in > today's paper about Operation Rocket Roundup. This is a police a > enforcement technique using a combination of motorcycles, helicopters, > and roadblocks. What are your perceptions of this program? Do you > believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair enforcement > policies regarding this program? Do you believe this program is right > or wrong? I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of > riding I have yet to experience. Kathleen Loerich --------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion - Having traveled Indian Head hiway and a few other MD roads, I have witnessed packs of seriously demented sportbikers in action.  Passing on the right/left shoulder and betwixt traffic lanes at warp three etc...  Hi-profile activity like that marks all of us as *bad* and attracts the attention of the poo-lice.   The higher up brass screams stop those damn fools!  So the troops muster and set out to quell the nvasion of the crazed sportbikers.

I'm lukewarm about it.  I hate to see people get hurt and hate to suffer from the broad brush stroke of bad bikers created by a few dozen whackoids.  But letting the buggers run amuck would certainly improve the gene pool.

Botomline - yes, the program is okay from a legal standpoint.  A cops job is to enforce traffic laws.  Road ragers and scofflaws have been targeted in the past.   These folks are not *special* because they ride bikes.

Bill

Kathleen Loerich wrote:

I am a recent subscriber to this list.  I've been riding about 29 years, started riding dirt bikes, next mostly cruisers, and I occassionally ride a full dress bike.  I haven't tried sport bikes yet, but there's still time...  Since this list seems to have a large number of sport bike riders, I have a question. I read the article in today's paper about Operation Rocket Roundup.  This is a police a enforcement technique using a combination of motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks. What are your perceptions of this program? Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair enforcement policies regarding this program? Do you believe this program is right or wrong? I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I have yet to experience. Kathleen Loerich
--------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 07:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65BLA828001 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (zbig@XXXXXX [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5) with ESMTP id HAA17446; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14965; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:11:58 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Message-ID: <20000705071158.A13974@kleks.org> References: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com>; from Charles V. Pena on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 10:17:23PM -0700 * Charles V. Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000704 22:20]: > I 100% agree with this. I just hope the cops in MD are targeting this > program towards the yahoos/hooligans who ride on the interstates and > other major thoroughfares. Hope they leave us alone on the backroads. > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy doing 120..... And statictics will look much better. Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 08:54:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Csv829318 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.188]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12325; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39635B83.B041BA26@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:00:03 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> <20000705071158.A13974@kleks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez, Zbig... Make my day! %^) I guess the real question is whether in MD they're gonna only patrol/profile the interstates and major thoroughfares where they KNOW these hooligans are riding or are they just gonna nail each and every sportbiker they see? And are they going to be out in force on the backroads I've come to enjoy riding in Montgomery and Frederick counties? I can tell you we didn't see one cop on our small (7 riders) ride on Monday. I hope they stick to the interstates and major thoroughfares because the roads I've found (and continue to find) in Montgomery and Frederick are just too damn convenient for me to get to! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" wrote: > > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy > doing 120..... > And statictics will look much better. > > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:08:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65D81829562 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:07:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:06:43 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_11494610.BCDDB553" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_11494610.BCDDB553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Add me to those 9. I just got a reckless in Springfield. I was pissed. = Details later.... >>> Chuck Pena 07/05/00 12:00PM >>> Geez, Zbig... Make my day! %^) I guess the real question is whether in MD they're gonna only patrol/profile the interstates and major thoroughfares where they KNOW these hooligans are riding or are they just gonna nail each and every sportbiker they see? And are they going to be out in force on the backroads I've come to enjoy riding in Montgomery and Frederick counties? I can tell you we didn't see one cop on our small (7 riders) ride on Monday. I hope they stick to the interstates and major thoroughfares because the roads I've found (and continue to find) in Montgomery and Frederick are just too damn convenient for me to get to! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" wrote: >=20 > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy > doing 120..... > And statictics will look much better. >=20 > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... --=_11494610.BCDDB553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML Add me to those 9. I just got a reckless in Springfield. I was = pissed.=20 Details later....

>>> Chuck Pena=20 <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> 07/05/00 12:00PM >>>
Geez,=20 Zbig...  Make my day! %^)

I guess the real question is whether = in MD=20 they're gonna only
patrol/profile the interstates and major thoroughfare= s=20 where they KNOW
these hooligans are riding or are they just gonna nail = each=20 and every
sportbiker they see?  And are they going to be out in = force on=20 the
backroads I've come to enjoy riding in Montgomery and=20 Frederick
counties?  I can tell you we didn't see one cop on our = small=20 (7 riders)
ride on Monday.  I hope they stick to the interstates = and=20 major
thoroughfares because the roads I've found (and continue to = find)=20 in
Montgomery and Frederick are just too damn convenient for me to = get=20 to!

Cheers,
Chuck, aka Skittles

"Zbigniew J. Tyrlik"=20 wrote:
>
> Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and = ticket=20 you than a guy
> doing 120.....
> And statictics will look = much=20 better.
>
> Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA...
--=_11494610.BCDDB553-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65DO0829795 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babytalk (10.10.10.59 [10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MGYNHKSD; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:27:04 -0400 Message-ID: <0de601bfe684$8ef75a70$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> <20000705071158.A13974@kleks.org> Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:25:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 You are so right. I hope that you're not, but I can see the cops becoming overzealous and ticketing every sportbiker doing 5-10 mph over the limit. If I'm in Maryland for the next few months I'll be riding very slowly and signaling all lane changes. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik To: Charles V. Pena Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup > * Charles V. Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000704 22:20]: > > I 100% agree with this. I just hope the cops in MD are targeting this > > program towards the yahoos/hooligans who ride on the interstates and > > other major thoroughfares. Hope they leave us alone on the backroads. > > > > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy > doing 120..... > And statictics will look much better. > > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... > > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:49:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Dn2800756 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Dn1O18129 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007051349.e65Dn1O18129@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Reckless in Virginia" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18126.962804941.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:49:01 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos I recently got hit with the ever popular "Reckless Driving" in Virginia, clocked at 83 in a 55 on route 66. Sounds like a lot of us have been through this before, any advice? Did you get a lawyer for your court date? If so, any recommendations? You don't even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? How does being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? -harry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:54:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Dsu800881 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e65Dsqp04287 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup In-Reply-To: <0de601bfe684$8ef75a70$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Han Park wrote: > If I'm in Maryland for the next few months I'll be riding very > slowly and signaling all lane changes. How does this differ from normal riding in VA, land of the reckless driving violation? :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:00:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65E0e801218 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31778 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:00:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000705095500.00ccbe00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:00:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" In-Reply-To: <200007051349.e65Dn1O18129@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:49 AM 7/5/00 , Harry Mantakos wrote: >I recently got hit with the ever popular "Reckless Driving" in >Virginia, clocked at 83 in a 55 on route 66. Sounds like a lot >of us have been through this before, any advice? Did you get a >lawyer for your court date? If so, any recommendations? You don't >even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, >etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? How does >being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? Bike or cage? Might have a tougher time if you were on the bike with all the Maryland media noise. I had the same charge in my cage a few years ago. My record was clean (0 points - all tickets having recently fallen off of my record) and the judge said if I had any negative points he would have taken my license for a year. As it is I had a $200 fine and 2 points. If you were a VA resident they could take the license for a year. Not sure if that could carry over as well. Get a lawyer. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65EWA802280 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:31:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:31:03 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Subject: VA TICKETS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or = what? --=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML Does=20 anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or=20 what? --=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:44:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Eie802828 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (ip-216-73-146-57.vantas.net [216.73.146.57]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03180; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bfe68f$cfb942c0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000705095500.00ccbe00@mail.wheatintl.com> Not true - it all depends on the Judge, your lawyer and the prosecuting attorney. I recently got a reckless driving in Virginia. I procrastinated for too long to get an attorney, and decided I didn't need to get a continuance - I'd handle it myself. The result - 30 day license suspension and 6 points (6 is standard for reckless). I had +2 on my license, which means my license was clean with 2 "brownie points." The judge said he wanted to "send me a message" about the fact that I was driving too quickly and that "a deer could have crossed the road and then what would have happened?" I was doing 90 on rt. 66 westbound just before Manassas at about midnight. That's a 55 zone, turning to a 65 a couple of miles further down the road. This verdict was roughly similar to what a lot of people were getting from the judge for similar offenses that day. I recommend you A) get an attorney, B) talk to the prosecuting attorney prior to having your case come up (there's an opportunity to do this at court) and C) don't even try to give the judge any lip like "So you're punishing me for riding a bike instead of a car?" or "Whether I hit a deer or not is up to me, bucko!". I didn't try C), but I sure felt like it. I didn't do B) or A) either, and I think that was a mistake. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. I finally got off of the suspended license on Sunday. Woohoo! -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:00 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" At 09:49 AM 7/5/00 , Harry Mantakos wrote: >I recently got hit with the ever popular "Reckless Driving" in >Virginia, clocked at 83 in a 55 on route 66. Sounds like a lot >of us have been through this before, any advice? Did you get a >lawyer for your court date? If so, any recommendations? You don't >even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, >etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? How does >being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? Bike or cage? Might have a tougher time if you were on the bike with all the Maryland media noise. I had the same charge in my cage a few years ago. My record was clean (0 points - all tickets having recently fallen off of my record) and the judge said if I had any negative points he would have taken my license for a year. As it is I had a $200 fine and 2 points. If you were a VA resident they could take the license for a year. Not sure if that could carry over as well. Get a lawyer. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:45:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65EjU802928 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (ip-216-73-146-57.vantas.net [216.73.146.57]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03189; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "'Robert Beatty'" , , Subject: RE: VA TICKETS Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfe690$0b465120$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, they do. Maryland and Virginia have "reciprocity", i.e. they share ticket information (and points). You get a 3-point fine in Md, count on it showing up on your Va driver's license (and vice versa). I don't think WV has reciprocity with either of these states, but I could be wrong. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Beatty [mailto:Rbeatty@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; kirk@XXXXXX Subject: VA TICKETS Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or what? ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, they do. = Maryland and=20 Virginia have "reciprocity", i.e. they share ticket information (and = points).=20 You get a 3-point fine in Md, count on it showing up on your Va driver's = license=20 (and vice versa). I don't think WV has reciprocity with either of these = states,=20 but I could be wrong.
 
Chris=20 Weaver
'98 VTR=20 1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Beatty=20 [mailto:Rbeatty@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 = 10:31=20 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; = kirk@XXXXXX
Subject: VA=20 TICKETS

Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on = MD=20 driver license as points or what?
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:46:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3101.mail.yahoo.com (web3101.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65EkZ802991 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705144621.11713.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3101.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:46:21 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: VA TICKETS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii how about Ohio Tickets? I got one for 76 in a 65. there where plenty of other people on the road with me he just decided to pick on me. i'd watch out going through Ohio I counted 9 cops in 200 miles yesterday and well over 15 on friday night when I got caught. in all the other 9 states I went throgh over the weekend I might have seen 10 cops total. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:50:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65EoB803120 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31927 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:49:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000705104936.00cd7400@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:49:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VA TICKETS In-Reply-To: <20000705144621.11713.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you saw so many cops, why were you speeding? :-o At 10:46 AM 7/5/00 , bryan main wrote: >how about Ohio Tickets? I got one for 76 in a 65. there where plenty of >other people on the road with me he just decided to pick on me. i'd watch >out going through Ohio I counted 9 cops in 200 miles yesterday and well >over 15 on friday night when I got caught. in all the other 9 states I >went throgh over the weekend I might have seen 10 cops total. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Eos803130 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e65Eoop06168 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VA TICKETS In-Reply-To: <001d01bfe690$0b465120$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Chris Weaver wrote: > You get a 3-point fine in Md, count on it showing up on your Va > driver's license (and vice versa). If you're a VA resident and get a 3 point fine in MD don't be surprised if VA turns it into a reckless for you. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:58:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65Ewe803224 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705152634.11210.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:26:34 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: VA TICKETS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > If you saw so many cops, why were you speeding? :-o cause that was the first one I saw. I slwoed down after that. at least their tickets aren't too expensive. I think it's like 70 for 11-15 miles over. only 75 for 16-20 or something like that. I havne't had a ticket in MD for 9 years and I know it was more than that! bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:05:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65F5m803397 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 139qk7-0006QH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:05:39 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.28] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 139qk7-0003MH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:05:39 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01bfe692$b31d0360$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <001c01bfe68f$cfb942c0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:07:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July 12th for a Reckless ticket I received while commuting to work on the Dulles Toll Road. I was written up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I have decided against retaining his services. After talking to a friend who works in the court house and has gone to court for tickets he says that there is nothing I cant do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing my money away. Doing some research on the net tends to confirm this theory. After talking to many people it seems that the single most relevant factor in the outcome of my case will be who is going to be the judge. I'll post the outcome. dave cross From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:33:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65FXj803842 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id v.a9.7d6f930 (664); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:33:33 EDT Subject: Re: VA TICKETS To: Rbeatty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/5/00 10:34:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rbeatty@XXXXXX writes: << Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or what? >> Yes they do. Wonders of electronic connectivity. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:41:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Ff3803934 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user165.anent.com [208.195.115.165]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00706 for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: <008a01bfe697$71ed71e0$a573c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <001c01bfe68f$cfb942c0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> <003b01bfe692$b31d0360$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:40:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I had a 75/55 Reckless in Fairfax, hired a lawyer and he got it reduced to Improper Driving/3 points/$75 fine, plus court costs. Everyone I talked to said that would NEVER have happened if I'd gone in by myself. Worth every penny IMO. Don't forget that reckless in Virginia is 6 points and stays on your record for 11 (ELEVEN!) years. Fight it, hard! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cross" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" > I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July 12th for a Reckless ticket > I received while commuting to work on the Dulles Toll Road. I was written > up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. > > I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I have decided against > retaining his services. After talking to a friend who works in the court > house and has gone to court for tickets he says that there is nothing I cant > do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing my money away. Doing some > research on the net tends to confirm this theory. > > After talking to many people it seems that the single most relevant factor > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to be the judge. > > I'll post the outcome. > > dave cross From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:48:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65FmW804099 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.c.76f6833 (664) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:48:20 EDT Subject: "Reckless in Virginia" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Based on the trend in the last few emails on this issue, it strikes me that some of you might be interested in a site called, "The National Motorists Association." It includes motorcyclists as well as motorists and is organized to fight some of the issues confronting the riders writing to this list. http://www.motorists.org When you click on the site, take a look at the lower left of the screen and see the point, How to Fight a Traffic Ticket. This place may be a resource for some of you. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 12:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65G00804274 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705155932.9534.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:59:32 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i agree....... hoping by chance to get a sympathetic judge... odds are against you. Most judges are on a power trip in Virginia... waiting to make examples out of you. I would retain an attorney .... but only one that is familiar with the judges to which court you will be at. --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I had a 75/55 Reckless in Fairfax, hired a lawyer > and he got it reduced to > Improper Driving/3 points/$75 fine, plus court > costs. Everyone I talked to said > that would NEVER have happened if I'd gone in by > myself. Worth every penny IMO. > > Don't forget that reckless in Virginia is 6 points > and stays on your record for > 11 (ELEVEN!) years. Fight it, hard! > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Cross" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" > > > > I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July > 12th for a Reckless ticket > > I received while commuting to work on the Dulles > Toll Road. I was written > > up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. > > > > I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I > have decided against > > retaining his services. After talking to a friend > who works in the court > > house and has gone to court for tickets he says > that there is nothing I cant > > do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing > my money away. Doing some > > research on the net tends to confirm this theory. > > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > single most relevant factor > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to > be the judge. > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > dave cross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 12:28:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65GSr805002 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.99.71b48ef (4333) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <99.71b48ef.2694bc34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:28:36 EDT Subject: Yuck... To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Wow... how's THAT for some fireworks? People crashing, flame wars, Brian dropping off the list... must be the forth of July. Welp, I've been tyring to keep quiet and just read for once... fat chance I guess. Saw people flaming Brian, saying that he has no business preaching safety because he himself is no better. Fine... then I'll say it. There is NO good reason to crash on the street. Period. (This is not counting getting hit, etc by other vehicles.). There ARE too many accidents occuring. Guess what? Streets suck. There's sand, gravel, deer, cars, bicylists, gophers, and 100 other things that can pop up around that next turn. I'f you're riding at 10/10ths or even 9/10ths, your prospects are grim. If you're riding at 7/10ths, or maybe even 6/10ths, you may just be able to keep on riding. If you come around a turn, and something in the road makes you crash, you're going too fast and/or riding over your head if you can't take evasive maneuvers and continue on. If this were not the case, the roadside would simply be littered with cars and bikes - look at any given road, there's never a perfect surface. The message here is... ** THINK, Slow down, enjoy the road, enjoy the sport, don't crash!!!! ** If you want to go balls out, GET THEE TO A TRACK. Buy an ex500 or FZR400 for damn near less $$$ than the cost of replacing the fairings and mirrors on your streetbike from Yamaha/Honda/etc. For the record: A) I have perfectly maintained bikes. B) I have never crashed on the street in 12 years. C) When I starting riding (what I thought was ) a bit too fast for the street, I got my racing licence, and went racing. I became a much better rider because of it. D) When I ride on the street now (which is now rare other than commuting because I go racing) I ride at 7/10ths so as to be able to NOT crash. This is not preaching to the crashers. Shit happens, and sometimes we make mistakes. This is bitching at anyone who says "You gotta crash to learn" or some such bullshit. If you do learn from your mistakes, well... that's fine, but that's a damn expensive way to do it IMHO. A racing or high-performace riding school is probably cheaper. "Pushing your limits" on the street is a BAD idea. And before someone starts nitpicking about "how do you learn if you never try", I'm talking about doing balls to the walls on backroads WAY beyond your skill level. "pushing the limits" in tiny amounts after becoming comfortable at some other level is not what makes people crash. And to also pre-respond to "Roach, you're no saint - you ride fast on the street", You're right... I sometimes do, and THAT is at 7/10ths. I have thousands of miles of 10/10ths under my belt from the track now (and a few 11/10ths that I still wince about), and know my limits quite well. I'm done. Flame away. Delete key is armed :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 12:53:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Gr5805536 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D29@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Tire Fitament Question Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:45:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Team DC Flamers: I have a 1991 VFR...the BT56SS do not come in a 170. Is it possible/advisable to put a 180 on the bike? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 13:23:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65HNF806058 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705172307.252.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:23:07 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Yuck... To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Wow... how's THAT for some fireworks? > > People crashing, flame wars, Brian dropping off the > list... must be the forth > of July. > > Welp, I've been tyring to keep quiet and just read > for once... fat chance I > guess. > > Saw people flaming Brian, saying that he has no > business preaching safety > because he himself is no better. > > Fine... then I'll say it. > I'm done. Flame away. Delete key is armed :) What's the point? You're right....and my bet is that people may actually listen to you _because_ of your presentation, not in spite of it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 13:54:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Hsg806566 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:51:56 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Tire Fitament Question Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:00:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Did the '91 VFR originally come w/a 170 or was it a 160? Just looked at bridgestones web site and their 180 is approved for 5.0 - 5.5" rims (recommended 5.5). So, check your bike specs, you might be at 5. Also, look at your 170 and make sure there will be enough clearance for the chain/swingarm. I would probably go w/a different brand to get the right size, but the 180 would probably work just fine. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:02:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65I2K806723 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.c6.77918f3 (4333) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:02:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:02:08 EDT Subject: And now for something completely different [dc-cycles racing LONG] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Lovely Nelson Ledges, OH was this week's stop on the WERA schedule, and what a track it is. If you've never heard of Nelson Ledges, OH... you're not missing anything. The track hasn't been fully repaved in about 20 years and there's no city sewage or plumbing. They do seem to usually mow the turns before we get there, as the grass growing up through the track is generally fairly short :/ But I digress. DC-Cycles racing was represented this weekend by.... me. Randy Moran was home focusing on more important matters (his new child!), and Danny and Fred had no plans to attend (A show of sanity on their part). Brad and Leonard were slated to appear, but unfortunatly did not make it to the track. I'm hearing second-hand that there was an accident involving their race hauler Friday - Brad?? I was told everyone was OK, but unfortunatly the bikes didn't fare as well. It should also be noted that Jeff Ozman is no longer in the area as he was transferred to Texas in June. Hopefuly Jeff will have some time to carry the DC-Cycles name into some South-central events. His last Summit Point appearance was the WERA event in June, and he will be sorely missed in the pits and on the track. If you're still reading Jeff - we miss ya!! And no... there was STILL no corner-working in T2-T3 this weekend at Nelson. Friday found myself and TightSqueezeRacing's Steve Clark teaming up for the weekend. The trip was uneventfull, and for the first time in recorded history I arrived on time at a track, and it wasn't even dark yet. Saturday: Looks to be a great day, good weather, only supposed to be in the mid-80's. Put new tires on and go out for practice. Steve and I followed each other for a bit, getting our times to the low 1:20's and a couple 1:19's. Last year, my best ever at Nelson was a mid 1:22, so I was very pleased. I generally go slower in practice, so the outlook was good. The track is as bumpy and scary as ever, but it does seem to get better the faster you go. There IS a "smoothish" line around which you only have to stand on the pegs once or twice and generally don't scare yourself terribly. By the end of practice, I think I found most of it. Grid for the Solo20. In a bizarre change for WERA, they only have a one-wave start for the combined expert and Novice field - Usually there are two flags thrown, once for each group with a 5 second or so pause between. I was gridded on the second row, and got a good start and hit turn 1 in second place... in the novice field. This of course was smack dab in the middle of the experts. Alan Nelson on his SV had gotten a better jump than me, and as I tried to follow him into turn one it was like watching the Red Sea close as 3 or 4 experts wound up between myself and he. "Damn... this is not good". Alan give me fits at Summit... he is no slowpoke. I manage to get by the experts and onto his tail going into T5 (the carosel), and proceed to follow him for the next 5 - 6 laps or so. I figured we'd check out and then see what happened at the end. What I didn't realize was that he'd never been to Nelson, and wasn't ready for the physical pounding the track doles out. By the time I figured out we'd been slowing down for a couple laps, here comes a wheel next to my bike... followed by an engine and another wheel.... and then another whole motorcycle! AAARRRGGG. Ok... 4th place, 10 laps to go, no sweat. The next 5 - 6 laps were pretty fun. Four guys, all trying to occupy one little piece of broken tarmac at the head of the line. Much dicing was involved, with one of the best photo ops of the weekend in T13 as all 4 bikes came onto the frontstretch within 5 feet of each other. This is where the Mighty FZR400RR got to stretch it's legs. I hammered it out of 13 and went from 4th to 2nd on the brakes into T1. WIth one lap to go, I passed the leader going into T4 and never looked back... Win #1 for the weekend! Lap times were down to the mid 1:16's, which is pretty moving. There were only 2 experts in front of me at the end. Sunday: The next two races were just not as eventfull as the first. In D-Superbike, I got second going into T1 at the start, passed the leader with about 2 laps to go, and drove it home. Times stayed in the 1:16's. Unfortunatly, about half way through the race, Turn 12 went left and Steve Clark didn't. He was ok, but the bike got beat up a bit. Formula 2 saw the difference between a 30 year old racer and an 18 year old one. After leading a couple laps, I got passed by a kid on an SV who evidentally was not happy about getting beaten twice at his home track this weekend. To say he was on a mission would be an understatement. 2nd place was mighty comfy as I watched him haul ass for 6 laps at a pace that this guy just wasn't comfortable doing. I could run behind him, but not gain, and that was juuuuussssstttt fine. I figured someone else should at least win one this weekend :) Two wins, one second, and fast times made for a GREAT weekend in Ohio. My Thanks to SpeedWerks of Camden, DE (www.speed-werks.com) for building the best 400 on the planet and all their support this year, as well as Bridgestone Tires for the contgency and now Team Bridgestone sponsorship support!! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:18:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65IIa806990 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hfzzv (client-151-196-117-77.bellatlantic.net [151.196.117.77]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13774; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:16:31 -0400 (EDT) From: sesent@XXXXXX Message-ID: <013601bfe6ad$351bac80$72c7fea9@hfzzv> Reply-To: To: "Weather Reporter" , , , , "signsnow180" , "Scott Jameson" , "Scharfenberger, Leianne" , "Paul Kirkegaard" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "Kirk Roy" , "Ken Ebo" , "katana" , "jweiman" , "jw" , "Gina Bevard" , "fred" , "Franz Sr." <4102156009@XXXXXX>, "Franz Muller Sr." , "Eric M." , "Edward N. 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Kirkegaard, Jr." Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:16:19 -0400 Organization: SES Enterprises MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works ----- Original Message -----=20 From: evan belaga=20 To: Undisclosed Recipients=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 10:15 AM Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ann Wates To: Zoe Sollenberger ; Vikki (home) Kingslien = ; Trevor Miller ; Tommy Reap = ; Tom Sites ; Susan Brehm = ; Sherrel Hickok ; Robin = Passino ; Phyllis Johnson = ; Pete Wilson ; Patti & = Richard Miller ; Naomi Tyler ; = Monica Chapman ; Missy Sullivan ; = Michelle Luttrell ; Mary Chrisman = ; Martha Ann Romoser ; Lynn = Golemon ; Lynn Gilbert ; = Marlys Shoup ; Louise Bower = ; Lori Hayward = ; Lani Newcomb ; Kerry = Monroe ; Kerry Loonam ; = Kell Achenbach ; Kathy Jonkers = ; Kathy Eichelberger ; Karen = Deskins ; Julie Mathews ; Julie = Bullock ; Judy Smith ; Joyce = Anderson ; John Schaub ; = Joanne Sowa ; Joan Borger ; = Jeff Crandell ; Jeannie Waldron = ; Jean Lichtenberger ; Jack = Weber ; Irvin Barb ; = Horstmeier, Barbara ; Helen and John = Stacy ; Hans D. ; Ginny = Stengel ; Gina K Pierce ; = Genie Stewart-Spears ; Gary Goodale = ; Frank Farmer ; Fran Pitlick = ; evan belaga ; Emily = Richardson ; Dorothy Lowe = ; Denise Bramhall ; Davis = Chung ; Dana Critz Lock ; Chrisie = Bayuk ; Charles Cunningham = ; Carolyn Armstrong ; = Carol Gibson ; Bob Walsh ; = Bill Chrisman ; Betsy ; = Arthur King ; Amy Worrell ; = Allyson Shaner ; Adrienne Hewitt = Date: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20 Subject: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20 What the heck I could use some money it this really works?!=20 In a message dated 5/3/00 3:05:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, GMA = DRLN=20 writes:=20 To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages but this is = from my=20 good friend Pearlas Sanborn and she really is an attorney.....If she = says=20 that this will work - it WILL work. After all, what have you=20 got to loose?=20 SORRY EVERYBODY.....JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!!=20 I'm an attorney, and I know the law. This thing is for real.=20 Rest assured AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for = fear=20 of facing a multimillion dollar class action suit similar to the one = filed=20 by Pepsico against General Electric not too long ago.=20 We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without=20 getting a little something for our time. My brother's girlfriend got = in on=20 this a few months ago. When I went to visit him for the Baylor! /UT=20 game. She showed me her check. It was for the sum of $4,324.44 and = was=20 stamped "Paid In Full". Like I said before, I know the law, and this = is=20 for real. If you don't believe me you can email her at = jpiltman@XXXXXX .=20 She's eager to answer any questions you guys might have.=20 Intel and AOL are now discussing a merger which would make them the = largest=20 Internet company and in an effort make sure that AOL remains the most=20 widely used program, Intel and AOL are running an e-mail beta test.=20 When you forward this e-mail to friends, Intel can and will track it = (if=20 you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period. For = every=20 person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you=20 $203.15. For every person that you sent it to that forwards it on,=20 Microsoft will pay you $156.29 and for every third person that = receives it,=20 you will be paid $17.65. Within two weeks, Intel will contact you for = your=20 address and then send you a check. I thought this was a scam myself, = but a=20 friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel actually = got a=20 check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try it, what have you = got to=20 lose????=20 = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ = ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it = works
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: evan = belaga
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20

 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Mary Ann Wates <mawates@XXXXXX>
To:= Zoe=20 Sollenberger <zoeand4dogs@XXXXXX>; Vikki = (home)=20 Kingslien <kingslien@XXXXXX>; = Trevor=20 Miller <Roguelet@XXXXXX>; = Tommy=20 Reap <TRGamboa@XXXXXX>; = Tom Sites=20 <goearth@XXXXXX>; = Susan=20 Brehm <rockingb@XXXXXX&g= t;;=20 Sherrel Hickok <hickoks@XXXXXX>;=20 Robin Passino <Robin.Passino@XXXXXX= on.va.us>;=20 Phyllis Johnson <phyllisj01@XXXXXX>= ; Pete=20 Wilson <wwilson@XXXXXX>; = Patti &=20 Richard Miller <survivor.pat@XXXXXX>; = Naomi Tyler=20 <mustlady@XXXXXX>; Monica = Chapman=20 <asea@XXXXXX>; Missy = Sullivan=20 <sentinel@XXXXXX>; = Michelle=20 Luttrell <Luttrell@XXXXXX>; = Mary=20 Chrisman <myc@XXXXXX>; = Martha Ann=20 Romoser <wkromo@XXXXXX>; = Lynn Golemon=20 <lynng@XXXXXX&g= t;; Lynn=20 Gilbert <gmchagall@XXXXXX>;=20 Marlys Shoup <mshoup@XXXXXX>; Louise = Bower=20 <horsecrazy@XXXXXX= .net>;=20 Lori Hayward <lhayward@XXXXXX&g= t;; Lani=20 Newcomb <Give2Bute@XXXXXX>; Kerry=20 Monroe <gmcgoff@XXXXXX>; = Kerry=20 Loonam <jogrand@XXXXXX>; = Kell=20 Achenbach <kell.achenbach@XXXXXX= om>;=20 Kathy Jonkers <kjonkers@XXXXXX>;=20 Kathy Eichelberger <bergerbnch@XXXXXX>; Karen = Deskins=20 <karend@XXXXXX>; Julie = Mathews=20 <JSheph6685@XXXXXX>; = Julie=20 Bullock <middleriver@XXXXXX>;=20 Judy Smith <petid@XXXXXX>; Joyce=20 Anderson <Joyceridescloud9@XXXXXX>; = John=20 Schaub <JPSchaub@XXXXXX>; = Joanne=20 Sowa <jsowa@XXXXXX>; Joan=20 Borger <jborger@XXXXXX>;=20 Jeff Crandell <hmfjcrandell@XXXXXX>; = Jeannie Waldron=20 <jwaldron@XXXXXX>; = Jean=20 Lichtenberger <runsallday@XXXXXX>; Jack = Weber <jackmobile@XXXXXX>; Irvin = Barb <IBARB@XXXXXX>; = Horstmeier,=20 Barbara <BHorstmeier@XXXXXX= oods.com>;=20 Helen and John Stacy <renegade@XXXXXX>; Hans D. = <hansdev@XXXXXX>= ; Ginny=20 Stengel <gstengel@XXXXXX>= ; Gina K=20 Pierce <aprapo@XXXXXX>; = Genie=20 Stewart-Spears <geniess@XXXXXX>; Gary = Goodale=20 <Camfrm@XXXXXX>; Frank = Farmer <Wyle@XXXXXX>; Fran Pitlick = <FPITLICK@XXXXXX&g= t;; evan=20 belaga <ebelaga@XXXXXX>; Emily=20 Richardson <erichar2@XXXXXX&g= t;;=20 Dorothy Lowe <autmridg@XXXXXX>; = Denise=20 Bramhall <dbram@XXXXXX>; Davis=20 Chung <dchung90@XXXXXX>; Dana=20 Critz Lock <Dcritz@XXXXXX>; = Chrisie=20 Bayuk <badrock@XXXXXX>; = Charles=20 Cunningham <charles.a.cunningham@XXXXXX= ov>;=20 Carolyn Armstrong <carolyna@XXXXXX>; Carol Gibson = <barn@XXXXXX>; Bob = Walsh <hideawayfarm@XXXXXX>; Bill = Chrisman=20 <clinique@XXXXXX>;=20 Betsy <mpk@XXXXXX>; = Arthur King=20 <arthur.king@XXXXXX>= ;=20 Amy Worrell <MareVMD@XXXXXX>;=20 Allyson Shaner <muzikfrek@XXXXXX>; = Adrienne=20 Hewitt <adhewitt@XXXXXX>
Date:=20 Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:41 PM
Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE = READ! -=20 We'll see if it works

 

Subject: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it = works=20


What the heck I could use some money it = this really=20 works?!

In a message dated 5/3/00 = 3:05:17 PM US=20 Mountain Standard Time, GMA DRLN
writes:

To=20 all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages but this is from = my=20
good friend Pearlas Sanborn and she really is an attorney.....If = she says=20
that this will work - it WILL work. After all, what have = you=20
got to loose?

SORRY=20 EVERYBODY.....JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!!
I'm an=20 attorney, and I know the law. This thing is for real.
Rest assured AOL and Intel will follow through with their = promises for=20 fear
of facing a multimillion dollar class action suit similar to = the one=20 filed
by Pepsico against General Electric not too long ago. =

We're not going to help them out with their = e-mail beta=20 test without
getting a little something for our time. My brother's = girlfriend got in on
this a few months ago. When I went to visit = him for=20 the Baylor! /UT
game.  She showed me her check. It was for = the sum of=20 $4,324.44 and was
stamped "Paid In Full".  Like I said = before, I know=20 the law, and this is
for real. If you don't believe me you can = email her=20 at jpiltman@XXXXXX <mailto:jpiltman@XXXXXX> . =
She's eager=20 to answer any questions you guys might have.

Intel=20 and AOL are now discussing a merger which would make them the largest=20
Internet company and in an effort make sure that AOL remains the = most=20
widely used program, Intel and AOL are running an e-mail beta = test.=20

When you forward this e-mail to friends, Intel = can and=20 will track it (if
you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week = time=20 period. For every
person that you forward this e-mail to, = Microsoft will=20 pay you
$203.15.  For every person that you sent it to that = forwards=20 it on,
Microsoft will pay you $156.29 and for every third person = that=20 receives it,
you will be paid $17.65. Within two weeks, Intel will = contact=20 you for your
address and then send you a check. I thought this was = a scam=20 myself, but a
friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works = at Intel=20 actually got a
check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try = it, what=20 have you got to
lose????
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------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:55:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65It1807686 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNPCG>; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: sesent@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:37:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think a friend of your good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel, should send each member of the DC-Cycles list a check for $4,543.23 just for your having sent this to the list! -----Original Message----- From: sesent@XXXXXX [mailto:sesent@XXXXXX] [snip] I thought this was a scam myself, but a friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel actually got a check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try it, what have you got to lose???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" FW: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works
I think a friend of your good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel, should send each member of the DC-Cycles list a check for $4,543.23 just for your having sent this to the list!  
-----Original Message-----
From: sesent@XXXXXX [mailto:sesent@XXXXXX] 
 
[snip]
 
 I thought this was a scam myself, but a
friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel actually got a
check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try it, what have you got to
lose????
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:59:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Ix8807781 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:57:01 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Answer is NO $ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:05:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/intelaol.html You never get $$$$ for nothing via e-mail. You especially shouldn't send ridiculously STUPID things like this to lists, or friends for that matter. Otherwise you'll get flamed. It took all my effort not to call you a dumbass ... oops From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 15:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65J6Z807938 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-34.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.226]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31043; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3963B2A0.EED02AFB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:11:44 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And now for something completely different [dc-cycles racing LONG] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryan, Did you happen to hook up with a local racer named Sajeeb while in OH? I met him on the Father's Day ride (R1 street bike, GSXR600 race bike). Really nice guy. Definitely a good rider (and a gentleman for allowing me to lead him around on the road!) Said he knew/had met you at a race(s) before. I don't think he's on the list (yet), but I think he'd be a good addition to the DC-Cycles racing crew. Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > Lovely Nelson Ledges, OH was this week's stop on the WERA schedule, and what > a track it is. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 16:39:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65KdW809613 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-34.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.226]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19137; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3963C867.C9FECF2D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:44:39 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Next Bike Night (3) in Falls Church, VA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just another reminder that Bike Night 3 will be on Tuesday, July 18th at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. Hope as many of you as possible can be there. All the details are on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Please invite friends (even if they don't ride m/c's). And feel free to cross-post to other m/c lists/groups. Thanx! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 16:46:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Kkh809771 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivemhs.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.90.60]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA31510 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401bfe6bd$4550e4c0$3c5af7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Free Helmet Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:11:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 A friend of mine gave me a Kiwi 171R helmet which I have no use for. If anyone wants it let me know. The helmet has a few minor scratches but looks to be in decent condition. It is DOT certified and is black and red. Email me back if interested amd we can setup a time when you can pick it up. Ryan =============================================================== Ryan Matteson: UNIX Administrator Home Email: desc@XXXXXX Work Email: rmatteson@XXXXXX Web Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc PGP Public Key: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc/public.asc =============================================================== From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 18:23:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65MNf811555 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705222332.29693.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:23:32 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: pit bull rear stand for trade/sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i have a pit bull rear stand that i would like to either trade for a pit bull single-arm rear stand or sell i believe a straight-up trade is fair (both cost $140 new), but would be willing to throw in an extra $40 to get it done any takers? or buyers of my regular rear stand for $100? i also have an eclipse black tail pack (well used) which i would like to sell for $40 -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 19:21:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65NLm812651 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.212.48.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.212.48]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07760; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Matthew Ehlert" Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:15:57 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bfe6d6$f952b480$30d4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000705034757.23526.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> My only intended point to make was that anyone who is so unhappy with the US is more than welcome to leave, or better yet run for office and make changes yourself. That makes me a socialist? Hmm. Better check your definitions. I consider myself a patriot. I didn't even want to get into the helmet debate, but oh, well now. "i don't think it's wise.... to not fight frivolous laws being passed in America." I can agree with this. However, the problem is that what one person considers frivolous others do not. There will never be one master set of laws that everyone agrees on. I personally consider 55 mph speed limits (for example) in the middle of nowhere to be ridiculous, but I know they're necessary because laws have to encompass the lowest common denominator of people in our society, so people like me have to suffer for it so that other people can benefit from it. Same is the case with helmet laws - if by having a law in place a life is saved that some husband/wife/son/daughter/mother/father/friend/partner depended on, I can live with it. Anyway, how can my views not be subjective, and what's wrong with them being so? That's what opinions are. Likewise if in your opinion its worth protesting over go ahead. Its your right (because you live in the US, BTW) My opinion is not such, and the thought of endangering myself (riding w/o a helmet) to protest seems silly to me. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Ehlert [mailto:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 11:48 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th thanks for your subjective views although i find it a socialistic view point... comparing other countries is healthy and we need objectivism. i don't think it's wise.... to not fight frivolous laws being passed in America. Our choices are being taking away...i call that pathetic. and also...one can be multitasked in his/hers efforts(meaning just because you fight the helmet law doesn't mean you can't fight taxation.. ect..). Multitasking is not just for Bill Gates and Windows..... contrary to popular beliefs. --- Big Matty wrote: > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on > today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are > so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence > Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you > make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other > countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more > freedom." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > What countries have more freedom than the US? > Name them if you are so > > smart. > > > > mark > > Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. > > Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try > Holland. > > Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of > Western Europe is far less > restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, > Denmark, for starters. > > Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. > Just don't be a > Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh > (or, earlier, Mormon). > > Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's > County has more cases in a > month than Iceland has in a decade. > > Political freedom? US has the full range of > political discourse from "A" > to "B". You can say what you want because (and as > long as) it doesn't > matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks > on the Civil Rights > movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther > Party. > > And, btw, this email and all others are monitored > ("Project Echelon") by > the US government, according to a PC World Magazine > report. > > (..."According to intelligence experts in the United > States and Europe, a > massive electronic intercept program called Project > Echelon scans all > Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, > and long-distance > telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic > communication--looking > for evidence of terrorist activity, military > threats, and transnational > crime. > > "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive > U.S. National > Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, > Canada, New Zealand, > and the United Kingdom...") > > The article was at: > > > > I hope that this has answered your question. > > --garcia > > > "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee > into a bottle in front > of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job > stacking boxes of > Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 19:31:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65NVQ812881 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.212.48.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.212.48]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04553 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: RE: VA TICKETS Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bfe6d8$50283540$30d4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000705144621.11713.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Ohio is ALWAYS strict on traffic enforcement, and I think pretty much now days you can expect points to show up on your license pretty much wherever you get a ticket. (Don't speed in a state thinking a ticket won't show up on your record). -----Original Message----- From: bryan main [mailto:ldrbryan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA TICKETS how about Ohio Tickets? I got one for 76 in a 65. there where plenty of other people on the road with me he just decided to pick on me. i'd watch out going through Ohio I counted 9 cops in 200 miles yesterday and well over 15 on friday night when I got caught. in all the other 9 states I went throgh over the weekend I might have seen 10 cops total. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6619u814521 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.27.7c4000d (4004) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.7c4000d.2695365b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:47 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/5/00 07:22:12 Eastern Daylight Time, zbig@XXXXXX writes: > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... We have been accused, Sir - we have not been convicted My basic feeling is that the cop doesn't have a case and he knows it - but he's going to be as much of a pain in our butts as he can - legal fees, court appearances, ad infinitum, ad nauseam Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e661Ht814770 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.4e.7dbf88d (4004) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4e.7dbf88d.26953837@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Speaking solely for myself... > Sounds like a lot of us have been through this before, any advice? Get a lawyer - I got a reckless about 10 years ago for doing about 100 yards on the shoulder at about 15 MPH on 495 to get to exit 12 one day - figured this couldn't be deemed reckless, went to court naked - the judge upheld the reckless and fined me $30 (yes, thirty) - the conviction still shows on my record and will for another year - it stays on there for 11 years in Virginny. Reckless is also a misdemeanor and could come with a free stay in the county hotel. > Did you get a lawyer for your court date? Yes we did (as a group) for my second and their first >If so, any recommendations? Ask again after July 20th > You don't even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, > etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? The summons is what passes for a ticket in VA - penalties vary > How does being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? MD, VA & DC have full reciprocity, to the best of my knowledge Oh yes, did I mention to get a lawyer? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:20:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e661Kl814849 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id VAA00245; Wed, 5 Jul 1972 21:25:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1972 21:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Big Matty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th In-Reply-To: <000b01bfe5e4$84df63c0$71d1f4d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Big Matty said: >I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... >Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get >the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. >PLEASE! Thank you for your tightly-reasoned rebuttal. Are you claiming that the US is the best at everything and can't learn anything from anyone? Or is it just you? >One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. Good point. Welcome to my bozo filter. >PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, Do you or don't you? If not, why don't you learn to argue your case ("Resolved: The US has more freedom than any other country.") instead of demanding that I get out of "your" USA? Grow up. > its >interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a >couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." Try re-reading the post I replied to: ("What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so smart."). Since I didn't (and don't) know what freedoms Mr. Kitchell considers important, it seemed reasonable to point out that there are many freedoms (and I just touched the surface of this topic) and that no place has a monopoly on them. You have a problem with that? Garcia Oliver "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so > smart. > > mark Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try Holland. Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of Western Europe is far less restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, for starters. Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. Just don't be a Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh (or, earlier, Mormon). Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's County has more cases in a month than Iceland has in a decade. Political freedom? US has the full range of political discourse from "A" to "B". You can say what you want because (and as long as) it doesn't matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks on the Civil Rights movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther Party. And, btw, this email and all others are monitored ("Project Echelon") by the US government, according to a PC World Magazine report. (..."According to intelligence experts in the United States and Europe, a massive electronic intercept program called Project Echelon scans all Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, and long-distance telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic communication--looking for evidence of terrorist activity, military threats, and transnational crime. "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive U.S. National Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, Canada, New Zealand,and the United Kingdom...") The article was at: I hope that this has answered your question. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:34:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e661Yg815021 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat (ip30.charleston4.sc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.243.30]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e661geZ75894 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007060142.e661geZ75894@smtp2.abac.com> X-Sender: dreamer%abac.com@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:38:25 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: rides today... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 19:45:26 EDT Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Rob VanSlyke wrote: >I listen to what everyone has to say. Having ridden with Brian, and many >others, I take what he and others have to say in perspective. And I agree >that the list isn't what it used to be. There aren't group rides as often as >before, and the rides that are planned are geared toward sportbikes. I would >gladly volunteer to lead rides, but my work schedule prevents me from doing >this. Perhaps I can get better days off in the coming shift bid at work and >be able to lead some groups. At a slow pace, thank you. Let me know if you do lead that ride Rob. I'll be there on my new 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi. I miss the earlier rides with you and Anita and some of the other more leisurely riders. I enjoy a good group ride from time to time but have zero desire to try to keep up with the sport bike crowd. On the topic of Brian's email. I agree with most everything he said. I disagreed completely with the way he said it. It's a shame that such good points will be lost on most people because they'll be angry at the delivery. DC Cycles hasn't so much gone downhill as it has narrowed its field of interest almost solely to sport bikes and racing. Not bad topics but certainly not of interest to everyone. Perhaps the tides will change again... who knows. Dawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX, VROC #4411 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre http://users.abac.com/dreamer/soulfyre.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 22:04:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6624s815487 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.dd.67b4b6f (4559) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:04:43 EDT Subject: Re: Ride Statistics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 I Think that Brian has some good things to say especially if he has experience (as some of you say)! on the subject. I am sure he just wanted to get the message across to all who would listen and take note for your next ride, who knows you may thank him later! Some other things riders need to think about before and during the ride: When there is heavy rain you can be sure that there will be broken branches and tree debris on the roads that you want to ride, also rain water flows downhill the easiest way it can and will carry lots of sand and gravel onto the road and guess where it will stay! In the scheme of things a clean bike is normally a safe bike, the reasoning being that it gives you the opportunity to look at all the critical parts of your cycle. ie: Fork seals, chain, lights, tyres etc etc. Write up a pre ride check list, tick the items of before you go, five minutes now can save you a lot of time and maybe a couple of limbs later. Some of my input. Richard Mc From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 23:27:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e663Rl816955 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706032739.22165.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:27:39 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > How does being a MD resident affect this, can they > give you MD points in VA? > > MD, VA & DC have full reciprocity, to the best of my > knowledge None of my Virginia or DC tickets have ever carried points over to my Maryland driving record. They show up on the record, but don't count toward a possible MD suspension/revocation. That has been my experience for the past 14 years of getting tickets :( , and I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has been treated otherwise. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 23:49:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e663ng817278 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706034934.26531.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.119] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:49:34 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MJ- I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or checkerboard) paint scheme. -Corbett '99 K1200RS (civilian) --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/4/00 15:50:22 Eastern Daylight > Time, berman@XXXXXX > writes: > > > It's unclear to me... > > will we be seeing MD troopers on K1200RS's or > were they just on loan from > > Bob's for the photo op? > > And will they be able to get them into the 150 ~ 180 > MPH range? > > Stay tuned - film at 11 > > Michael J. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 00:01:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6641d817540 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.210.26.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.210.26]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19163; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Garcia Oliver" Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfe6fe$165034a0$1ad2f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For the sake of the list, this is the last I'm going to post on this string: Granted, coming home from a long trip, to what I consider to be the greatest city, in the greatest country on the planet, on the birthday of said country, ready to celebrate and reading your post, more "emotion" came into it than normally would in my arguments. However, I stand pat on my assessment whereas people that consistently complain about our government and how things work in an overall sense, which is how your email came out to me in my quick read, should leave. No things are not perfect here, nor will they ever be perfect for all people, but you cannot find a better place in the world to live your life. You can thank all our vets for ensuring that over the years. Do I claim that the US is the best at everything? No. Best overall? Certainly. Can it improve? Yes. Do I claim that I know everything, and have nothing left to learn? I'm not sure where you got that from my email, but no Garcia I don't (I seem to be in the minority on that lately). Bozo filter? ha ha! Are you like that other guy that cries like a little girl when someone says something that hurts his feelings (or exposes the gaping holes in his logic), and will just not participate in any further discussion (on a discussion board, mind you)? Do I or don't I agree with you? I don't. I'll try to use simpler sentence structure and fewer syllables in the future. Why don't I learn to argue my case? My lack of argument was by choice, not by lack of ability. I'm sure the club list is as sick of this stupid string as I am, so if you would like to further debate with me, hit me on separate email or see me at bike night. We'll see how much you really know. "Do I have a problem with that?" Oooh. Sounds like fightin' words! I'm going to say "YES!" just to see what happens! Anyway, as already stated earlier today, I wish I had just laughed (at, not with) and deleted instead of responding to these emails in the first place. This is a motorcycle list and I'm only on it to meet people to ride with. No, I'm not going to endanger myself by riding without a helmet to protest a law that is necessary to get the stupidest element of our society to take basic precautions. That said, it is the end of my participation (at least for now) on politics. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 1972 9:26 PM To: Big Matty Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Big Matty said: >I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... >Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get >the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. >PLEASE! Thank you for your tightly-reasoned rebuttal. Are you claiming that the US is the best at everything and can't learn anything from anyone? Or is it just you? >One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. Good point. Welcome to my bozo filter. >PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, Do you or don't you? If not, why don't you learn to argue your case ("Resolved: The US has more freedom than any other country.") instead of demanding that I get out of "your" USA? Grow up. > its >interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a >couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." Try re-reading the post I replied to: ("What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so smart."). Since I didn't (and don't) know what freedoms Mr. Kitchell considers important, it seemed reasonable to point out that there are many freedoms (and I just touched the surface of this topic) and that no place has a monopoly on them. You have a problem with that? Garcia Oliver "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so > smart. > > mark Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try Holland. Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of Western Europe is far less restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, for starters. Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. Just don't be a Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh (or, earlier, Mormon). Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's County has more cases in a month than Iceland has in a decade. Political freedom? US has the full range of political discourse from "A" to "B". You can say what you want because (and as long as) it doesn't matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks on the Civil Rights movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther Party. And, btw, this email and all others are monitored ("Project Echelon") by the US government, according to a PC World Magazine report. (..."According to intelligence experts in the United States and Europe, a massive electronic intercept program called Project Echelon scans all Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, and long-distance telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic communication--looking for evidence of terrorist activity, military threats, and transnational crime. "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive U.S. National Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, Canada, New Zealand,and the United Kingdom...") The article was at: I hope that this has answered your question. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 00:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e664VB818033 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706043103.29708.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.119] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:31:03 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gonna have to agree with Bruce here.. The Reducing-the-Reckless-to-Improper-Driving gimmick seems to be most likely/best attainable outcome if you don't have a good leg to stand on should you choose to contest the charge... (Been there, done that.) I don't really want to be the test case to find out if the court is prujudiced toward the "guy playing attorney" when it's MY license, MY points, and MY fine. If I have to go down...I'd rather it be to lesser charges. Pay for the attorney. (But trully best of luck to Dave Cross, hope all goes well.) (I'm not too keen on self-dentistry either.) -Corbett --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I had a 75/55 Reckless in Fairfax, hired a lawyer > and he got it reduced to > Improper Driving/3 points/$75 fine, plus court > costs. Everyone I talked to said > that would NEVER have happened if I'd gone in by > myself. Worth every penny IMO. > > Don't forget that reckless in Virginia is 6 points > and stays on your record for > 11 (ELEVEN!) years. Fight it, hard! > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Cross" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" > > > > I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July > 12th for a Reckless ticket > > I received while commuting to work on the Dulles > Toll Road. I was written > > up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. > > > > I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I > have decided against > > retaining his services. After talking to a friend > who works in the court > > house and has gone to court for tickets he says > that there is nothing I cant > > do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing > my money away. Doing some > > research on the net tends to confirm this theory. > > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > single most relevant factor > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to > be the judge. > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > dave cross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 02:02:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66620819553 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b9.4a6e416 (6963) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:01:46 EDT Subject: Of Men and Motorcycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Since there are a number of new people to this list and to the sport hanging about as of late, I thought I'd post a link to a really great site: www.activebike.com It's an online motorcycle mag type thing, but has a rather large collection of fictional and non-fictional stories that relate to motorcycling, most are extremely well written and emotional reading. You'll want to check out the "Final Analysis" archives. Recently there has been more emphesis on being a regular motorcycle mag, which is a real shame... I'm hoping they get back to the good stuff - check out the site, you'll see what I mean. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 08:05:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66C5B826034 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706120459.712.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 05:04:59 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good compared to one ride I showed up on not to long ago. The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and still rode a 200 mile day even after being told about it! (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... Glenn --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > LOL Jay, > Precisely why I have NOT said anything on any of the > posts ;-) > > Back in not so younger and dumber days I ran one 204 > down so bad in the > rear that it litterally throwing rubber off it every > time I hit the > gas.. yikes! (but I HAD to get at least 2500 miles > out of the dang > thing) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 08:23:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66CNw826257 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-98.cybercable.com [204.188.47.98]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e66CMwL01790 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39647A5B.CD6DFC35@loudoun.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:23:58 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: rajmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000706034934.26531.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the cops were going to use, they said something like, "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not particularly impressive even if it is true. The most popular "road rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in the report of riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the GSXR. The new one weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say "Get lost, Stone!" This public service announcement has been courtesy of: Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Corbett B wrote: > I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the > 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via > computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike > is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle > division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes > (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I > saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 > K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or > checkerboard) paint scheme. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:01:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3103.mail.yahoo.com (web3103.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66D1m826914 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706130142.4546.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3103.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 06:01:42 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: rajmoran@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops > would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the > infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, > to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal > racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... did anyone else see this "report"? I was walking out the door when it started so I watched it. what a load of crap it was. They show some guy on an MC "Speeding". well he was going with traffic and if he was speeding it was only with everone else. they don't even say a word about the person in the SUV that went speeding by him. damn reporters, it's stuff like this that give motorcycles a bad name. They also said that they would be video taping the motorcycles illeagle activities, if they stop me for something like that I'm gonna ask to see the tape and ask why they didn't stop the idiot in the SUV instead of me. I think from what they said they would be mainly on I95 in PG county.\ Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:04:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66D4i826934 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66D4bl14955; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:04:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39648250.E51968A6@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:57:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rajmoran@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000706034934.26531.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> <39647A5B.CD6DFC35@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's funny! Infiltrate on a Beemer??? Who does the cops intelligience work - Daffy Duck? I have never seen a K Beemer among the screamers. Bill laughing... Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops > would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the > infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, > to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal > racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... > > When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the cops were going to > use, they said something like, "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, > and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not > particularly impressive even if it is true. The most popular "road > rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in the report of > riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the GSXR. The new one > weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. > > Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, > black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the > checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say > "Get lost, Stone!" > > This public service announcement has been courtesy of: > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > Corbett B wrote: > > > I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the > > 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via > > computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike > > is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle > > division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes > > (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I > > saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 > > K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or > > checkerboard) paint scheme. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:17:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66DHK827149 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.81]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24716 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964B243.C104151@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:22:27 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Of Men and Motorcycles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will second Roach's suggestion. IMHO, this is a great site for "real world" motorcycling. Lots of good info/advice/stories, especially for newbies and wannabe canyon carvers. If nothing else, I think Interactive Motorcycle helps put a lot of things in perspective (even if you don't agree with everything on the site). Skittles, aka Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Since there are a number of new people to this list and to the sport hanging > about as of late, I thought I'd post a link to a really great site: > > www.activebike.com > > It's an online motorcycle mag type thing, but has a rather large collection > of fictional and non-fictional stories that relate to motorcycling, most are > extremely well written and emotional reading. You'll want to check out the > "Final Analysis" archives. > > Recently there has been more emphesis on being a regular motorcycle mag, > which is a real shame... I'm hoping they get back to the good stuff - check > out the site, you'll see what I mean. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:21:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66DLM827228 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.81]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25259; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964B337.A24B720F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:26:31 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000706120459.712.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was riding on borrowed time. I have talked with him and he promised me he won't be out riding his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets the tire(s) replaced and a tune-up. Skittles, aka Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long ago. > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and still > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about it! > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:51:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Dp8827674 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id j.6b.6942b95 (3978); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6b.6942b95.2695e8b8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:50:48 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: rajmoran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/6/00 8:26:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rajmoran@XXXXXX writes: > "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, > and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not > particularly impressive even if it is true. It's true. It's really a sport-tourer, not a sportbike. Pretty nice though if you've ever seen or ridden one... shaft drive, smooth power, adjustable seat and windscreen, heated hand grips - they even handle pretty well (for a boat). Of course, instead of buying $16k BMW bikes, they could have bought lighter, faster $8k Jap bikes and had 4 rocket-cops... but hey, I only pay the bills - what do I know? > Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, > black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the > checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say > "Get lost, Stone!" You know... for a cheesy action flick, that movie wasn't THAT bad. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 10:01:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66E1d827837 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Thu Jul 06 07:04:50 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3LR3T1BN>; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:00:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 10:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66EAC827927 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09265 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706100831.00c9ba40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:09:57 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" In-Reply-To: <20000706043103.29708.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:31 AM 7/6/00 , Corbett B wrote: >The Reducing-the-Reckless-to-Improper-Driving gimmick >seems to be most likely/best attainable outcome if you >don't have a good leg to stand on should you choose to >contest the charge... (Been there, done that.) > >I don't really want to be the test case to find out if >the court is prujudiced toward the "guy playing >attorney" when it's MY license, MY points, and MY >fine. If I have to go down...I'd rather it be to >lesser charges. Pay for the attorney. (But trully >best of luck to Dave Cross, hope all goes well.) Should be easy to get the charge reduced with a lawyer there. Reckless is a bullshit charge anyway. Extreme speeding would be a better name for it. It is a beautiful day. Anyone up for a lunchtime Herndon ride? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 10:10:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66EAc827937 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id j.6a.46f1d9e (3978); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.46f1d9e.2695ed28@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:44 EDT Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/6/00 10:03:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, Yeah, my Ducati seat is like one of those soft bricks, which isn't nearly as bad... ::duck:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 11:50:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Fov829653 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:43:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Dear DC Cycles Community: I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT an obstacle to road rash! Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 11:53:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66FrL829683 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66FrEl08367; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:53:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3964A9D5.25CD2087@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:46:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 before my ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to sit on but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - felt hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she luved it. But I should mention that the Corbin, supposedly built for an FLHS, didn't quite fit with the factory stock grab bar. Corbin sells one that does fit = $169. Screw that, clamped the stock bar in the bench vise and tweaked it - fits fine now. Bill Coleman, Perry wrote: > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:10:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GAY829980 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66GANl10965; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3964ADDB.78F8E3CA@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:03:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Dear DC Cycles Community: > > I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, > Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just > purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through > the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is > already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite > skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT > an obstacle to road rash! > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I > mean that). > > Mark HEY! I never touched her, I swear! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:15:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66GFF800261 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:14:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:13:50 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match?=20 Welcome Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go riding one night and = watch the plans land at National...... :) >>> Mark Kitchell 07/06/00 11:43AM >>> Dear DC Cycles Community: I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT an obstacle to road rash! Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). =20 Mark --=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match?=20
 
Welcome Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go = riding one=20 night and watch the plans land at National...... :)

>>&= gt;=20 Mark Kitchell <Mkitchell@XXXXXX> 07/06/00 11:43AM=20 >>>
Dear DC Cycles Community:

I would like to introduce = a=20 dear friend of mine who just joined the list,
Kristina Rogish.  = Kristina=20 has been riding for less than a year and just
purchased a Honda = Nighthawk 750=20 from her brother.  I met Kristina through
the AIDS Ride, where she = was a=20 superstar on my Moto Team.  Kristina is
already becoming an = accomplished=20 rider.  She rides her own pace is quite
skilled.  She does = need to=20 improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT
an obstacle to road=20 rash!

Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike = Night=20 3.  Guys,
she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little = hands=20 off of her (I
mean that). 

Mark
--=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GHH800274 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (ip-216-73-146-57.vantas.net [216.73.146.57]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06449; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfe766$0a5e5ce0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Okay, we'll wash up before we come out to Bike Night. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 11:43 AM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:19:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GJG800296 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09507 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:19:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706121836.00a23100@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:19:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish In-Reply-To: <3964ADDB.78F8E3CA@patriot.net> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:03 PM 7/6/00 , Bill Huson wrote: > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, > > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I > > mean that). > > > > Mark > >HEY! I never touched her, I swear! My hands are grubby, but they are quite large. Wink Wink. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 When the sword of rebellion is drawn, the sheath should be thrown away. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:34:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66GY4800578 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7614 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 09:33:55 -0700 Date: 6 Jul 2000 09:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706163355.7613.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Jul 2000 16:33:55 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Jul 2000 09:33:55 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish On Thu, 06 July 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. Contact me off the list. And, Hey Mike, why didn't I ever get a great introduction to the list like that? You are my neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or something???? lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > Dear DC Cycles Community: > > I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, > Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just > purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through > the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is > already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite > skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT > an obstacle to road rash! > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I > mean that). > > Mark ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:53:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GrI801001 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06281 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000070612523107:27607 ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3964B9BB.6948FFD3@mitretek.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:54:19 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/06/2000 12:52:36 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/06/2000 12:52:36 PM, Serialize complete at 07/06/2000 12:52:36 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Oh, my!  Thanks, Mark, for the splendid introduction.  Planes at National, big hands, and the guys are even gonna clean up!  Quite an impact I've made already...  I love you, man!

Looking forward to meeting everyone at bike night in a few weeks.  And don't worry about Mark... he's just jealous and trying to keep me for himself.  ;-)  haha.

-Kristina

Robert Beatty wrote:

 I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match? Welcome Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go riding one night and watch the plans land at National...... :)

>>> Mark Kitchell <Mkitchell@XXXXXX> 07/06/00 11:43AM >>>
Dear DC Cycles Community:

I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list,
Kristina Rogish.  Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just
purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother.  I met Kristina through
the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team.  Kristina is
already becoming an accomplished rider.  She rides her own pace is quite
skilled.  She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT
an obstacle to road rash!

Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3.  Guys,
she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I
mean that).

Mark

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:59:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Gxr801126 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D54@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Kristina M. Rogish'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:52:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain All true, all true > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [SMTP:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 12:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish > > Oh, my! Thanks, Mark, for the splendid introduction. Planes at National, > big hands, and the guys are even gonna clean up! Quite an impact I've > made already... I love you, man! > > Looking forward to meeting everyone at bike night in a few weeks. And > don't worry about Mark... he's just jealous and trying to keep me for > himself. ;-) haha. > > -Kristina > > Robert Beatty wrote: > > I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match? Welcome > Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go riding one night and watch the > plans land at National...... :) > > >>> Mark Kitchell 07/06/00 11:43AM > >>> > Dear DC Cycles Community: > > I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the > list, > Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and > just > purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina > through > the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina > is > already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is > quite > skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex > is NOT > an obstacle to road rash! > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. > Guys, > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of > her (I > mean that). > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:10:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66HAO801316 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.9a.6d6b467 (7042) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9a.6d6b467.26961776@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:10:14 EDT Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Hey Kristina - Welcome! And forget these other guys - come up to Summit Point Raceway on July 15-16 and visit the DC-Cycles Racing contingent! (Hey - no one tell my girlfriend I'm racing that weekend, ok?) ;) In all seriousness... glad to have another rider on the list, and good to see more women on motorcycles. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:13:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from server.SPECTRUMscience.com (spectrumsci02.spectrumscience.com [208.58.10.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66HDs801413 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007061713.e66HDs801413@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Inbox (207-172-70-226.s226.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.70.226]) by server.SPECTRUMscience.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id M37A9215; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:12:16 -0400 Reply-To: From: Cc: Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e66HDw801414 I have been told by a shop owner that a good number of Maryland State Troopers have sportbikes and that they do alot of aggressive high speed riding and that they contribute a great deal to the problem described by the article. He hadnt seen the article and laughed when he told me this. dave cross ----Original Message----- >From: Randy and Julie Moran >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup >Reply-To: rajmoran@XXXXXX >Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:23 AM > >The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops >would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the >infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, >to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal >racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... > >When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the cops were going to >use, they said something like, "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, >and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not >particularly impressive even if it is true. The most popular "road >rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in the report of >riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the GSXR. The new one >weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. > >Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, >black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the >checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say >"Get lost, Stone!" > >This public service announcement has been courtesy of: > >Randy Moran >WERA Novice #696 >http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > >Sponsored by: >Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA >http://www.speed-werks.com >http://www.cortidesign.com > > > >Corbett B wrote: > >> I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the >> 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via >> computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike >> is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle >> division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes >> (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I >> saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 >> K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or >> checkerboard) paint scheme. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:40:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f86.hotmail.com [209.185.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66He4801911 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15379 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2000 17:39:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706173956.15378.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:39:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:39:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dave I've been through the "reckless driver" system twice in Fairfax Co -- two times in in two years -- 1995 and 1997. Once in a car and once on a motorcycle on the 395 HOV lanes. Both times I sat in court and watched many other "reckless drivers" go up and get their due licking before my case came up. Most were speeders only and many didn't have lawyers. I saw a couple of real fools get jail time! But by the time my case came up, I was sure I was going to be OK. Why? because the guys that had lawyers or a real sob story were doing OK. Those who didn't have either were losing their licenses. Get a lawyer familiar with the Fairfax system. You are exactly right that you need to know which judge will go easy on you... you pay your lawyer to make sure that you appear before that judge. On the second one I got two continuances before I appeared before the "right" judge. I got off easier the second time because we could get the judge we wanted. So I got two reckless charges in two years, both speeding and my insurance payment never went up. I paid a total of $1,100 in lawyer's fees-- about $400 the first time and about $700 the second. Compare that to losing your license for a few weeks. > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > > single most relevant factor > > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to > > be the judge. > > > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > > > dave cross > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Hn8802078 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01953; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000706134906.009f4f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:50:00 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitys trategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome, Kristina! If you're single, be ready for lots of dates! ; ) If you're going on the girls' ride with Laura, I'll be there too. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 htttp://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 14:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Ij8803212 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11029; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964D3D7.F7452006@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:45:43 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry, I'd look into gel seat pads. I saw them in the Lochart Phillips catalog, awhile ago. It's removable, so there's no investment in a second seat. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org PS. SOC-USA is looking for a Coordinator for the Washington DC area. Contact me if interested. SCD "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 14:54:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Is4803347 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.169.156] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-156.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.156]) id QQiwrz00482 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:54:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3964A9D5.25CD2087@patriot.net> References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> <3964A9D5.25CD2087@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:53:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have a 6 month old Corbin for a Ducati ST2/4 if anyone cares. $225 plus shipping. http://www.corbin.com/material/matl2.jpg Extremely comfortable. Dan 00RSV At 11:46 AM -0400 7/6/00, Bill Huson wrote: >A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 before my >ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to sit on >but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - felt >hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she luved it. > >But I should mention that the Corbin, supposedly built for an FLHS, didn't >quite fit with the factory stock grab bar. Corbin sells one that does fit = >$169. Screw that, clamped the stock bar in the bench vise and tweaked it - >fits fine now. > >Bill > >Coleman, Perry wrote: > > > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:02:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66J2P803566 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:02:32 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D63@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dan J. Snyder'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:54:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Will that fit on a Harley (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J. Snyder [SMTP:dsnyder@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades > > I have a 6 month old Corbin for a Ducati ST2/4 if anyone cares. $225 > plus shipping. > http://www.corbin.com/material/matl2.jpg > Extremely comfortable. > Dan > 00RSV > > At 11:46 AM -0400 7/6/00, Bill Huson wrote: > >A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 > before my > >ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to > sit on > >but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - > felt > >hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she > luved it. > > > >But I should mention that the Corbin, supposedly built for an FLHS, > didn't > >quite fit with the factory stock grab bar. Corbin sells one that does > fit = > >$169. Screw that, clamped the stock bar in the bench vise and tweaked it > - > >fits fine now. > > > >Bill > > > >Coleman, Perry wrote: > > > > > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for > sport-touring? > > > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially > after > > > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > > > > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties > over the > > > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > > > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but > I've > > > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the > longer > > > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but > not > > > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a > 1000-mile > > > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff > looks > > > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a > Sargent > > > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a > ZX-6? > > > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > > > > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:04:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (min.net [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66J48803588 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11692 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:03:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Red-Light Cameras Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone of the M/C will trip the redlight cameras in the district? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:09:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66J97803667 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Thu Jul 06 12:12:16 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3LR3T5CK>; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:11:19 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5732@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:07:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, they are both V-Twins... ;^) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:55 PM To: 'Dan J. Snyder'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Will that fit on a Harley (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J. Snyder [SMTP:dsnyder@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades > > I have a 6 month old Corbin for a Ducati ST2/4 if anyone cares. $225 > plus shipping. > http://www.corbin.com/material/matl2.jpg > Extremely comfortable. > Dan > 00RSV > > At 11:46 AM -0400 7/6/00, Bill Huson wrote: > >A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 > before my > >ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to > sit on > >but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - > felt > >hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she > luved it. > > SNIP From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:51:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66Jpi804536 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2950 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 12:51:36 -0700 Date: 6 Jul 2000 12:51:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706195136.2949.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Jul 2000 19:51:36 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Jul 2000 12:51:36 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: bike night 3 Is anyone planning on heading to bike night from the Tyson's Corner area? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:53:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66JrE804556 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id i.e6.7b9861f (4333); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:53:00 EDT Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/6/00 11:53:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: << Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). >> What kind of people, may I ask, do you think are on this list? Do you own a Harley by any chance? Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 16:30:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66KUf805257 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-225-102.s356.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.225.102]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13AIIA-00007I-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:30:39 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:35:03 GMT Message-ID: <396515b8.14766067@smtp.erols.com> References: <200007061713.e66HDs801413@dirty.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <200007061713.e66HDs801413@dirty.meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e66KUo805258 On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:17 +0000, you wrote: |>I have been told by a shop owner that a good number of Maryland State Troopers have sportbikes |>and that they do alot of aggressive high speed riding and that they contribute a great deal to the problem described by the article. He hadnt seen the article and laughed when he told me this. |> |>dave cross It's true.. other jurisdictions too.. and if the lights go on, they pull over, flash their badges and the whole group who pulled over gets off. Recently a bike went down (around 210, coming from VA getting on 295 from 495) due to either mechanical failure, or failing to secure the real wheel after having work done (don't think this was the case). anyway the bike dumped going about 60 i guess.. and slid a looong way.. rider was okay.. so anyway a dc cop stops.. a big ol guy.. and he was telling us how he & other officers who live in their district park their bikes in the police's garage. They dont' want their bikes to get stolen . He says they have like 30 bikes parked in there. That's kinda cool. Of course then a dick of the Maryland state troopers comes along after the dc cop leaves and says "what happened? I don't care, get off my stretch of highway". Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 17:52:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Lqo806829 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000706215237.DHOB11120.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <16654912.962920357581.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Loundon 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Speaking of lawyers and reckless tickets, when do the "loundon 9" get their day before the Man? __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 17:54:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f237.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.237]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66Lsr806867 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87294 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2000 21:54:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706215445.87293.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.32.192.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:54:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: '98 VFR800 Rear Sprocket Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:54:45 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just a word or two of advice for those do-it-yourselfers out there. In case any of you were wondering if your thumb could fit between the chain and rear sprocket teeth, let me save you a world of hurt by saying "HELL NO IT CAN'T!!!!" Was getting a little carried away cleaning the chain with a trusty rag and WD-40 (NOTE: NOT FANNING THE FLAMES OF ANY PREVIOUS THREAD!!!) spinning the rear wheel when the rag caught, sending my unsuspecting thumb into the teeth of pain. "D'OH!" Among other words and sounds followed what could be one of the dumbest moves ever. While it's been a couple days since this incident, I waited until now for the full purple color to set in before I shared my tale. Looks like the nail will be salvaged since the gear tooth cut through it right down the middle. Live and learn, eh?! Have a pleasant evening, and ride well! Rob '98 VFR800 Red (thumb: purple) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 18:22:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66MLx807426 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.48.7c575a6 (3870); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.7c575a6.2696607c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:21:48 EDT Subject: Re: The Loundon 9 To: Culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/6/00 17:54:49 Eastern Daylight Time, Culimerc@XXXXXX writes: > Speaking of lawyers and reckless tickets, when do the "loundon 9" get their > day before the Man? July 20th for the first pack Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 18:54:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Msc807944 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2iveleg.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.208]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25294 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007801bfe798$596500a0$d055f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Re: Free Helmet Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:20:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello folks, I received a ton of emails and am sorry I can't give free helmets to everyone. I am going to donate it to Tim Morrow at the Rider Safety program in Loudoun County. Hopefully it will keep someone safe while they are learning to ride. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 20:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e670Dw809508 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (adsl-138-88-46-197.bellatlantic.net [138.88.46.197]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA15181 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Paul Elkouss" To: Subject: rides this weekend? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:15:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200007062300.e66N02v08058@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hi all, any rides on Saturday or Sunday? Paul 1990 Yamaha Radian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 20:26:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e670Q1809699 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQiwsi16101 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:00:22 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQiwsi05976 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:00:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:00:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Cycles USA (Georgia & Connecticut Silver Spring(?)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Has anyone had any dealings with this dealer's service department? Good? Bad? Indifferent? Any replies can come to me off-list. Thanks! Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 21:40:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e671eV810832 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10875 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:40:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706213925.00b733b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:40:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Tonight at 11... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Another report on wrangling sport bikes in Maryland is due to air on NBC 4 tonight at 11. I'll tape it again - see if they have any new info. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:09:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6729I811358 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:09:15 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:09:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfe7b8$61487340$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <396515b8.14766067@smtp.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > |>I have been told by a shop owner that a good number of Maryland > State Troopers have sportbikes > |>and that they do alot of aggressive high speed riding and that > they contribute a great deal to the problem described by the > article. He hadnt seen the article and laughed when he told me this. I believe one of the group last Saturday was a police officer. I'll not mention any names, nor the bike he was riding, but he was certainly going as fast as any. I'd certainly hope that if we had gotten pulled over, his credentials would have helped us all. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:12:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e672CV811449 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:12:29 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: Cycles USA (Georgia & Connecticut Silver Spring(?)) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:12:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bfe7b8$d4c8ee80$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Has anyone had any dealings with this dealer's service department? > Good? Bad? Indifferent? Any replies can come to me off-list. Thanks! It's been many, many years since I lived in Maryland, but at that time their service was adequate but slow. And very, very expensive. HTH. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:14:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e672EW811459 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.90.6b1174f (4417) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <90.6b1174f.269696f6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:14:14 EDT Subject: Bike Night 3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Folks, Could someone remind me of the details (time/place) for Bike Night 3?? Also, Anyone interested in a REALLY EARLY ride in the Howard County area Saturday morning? I've got a 10:30am flight to California Saturday morning, but I've also got a really big urge to go riding before I get on that flight. How 'bout it??? Jonathan '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:15:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e672F8811538 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:15:03 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: Halogen Brake Lights Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfe7b9$31121d60$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Those of you who were on the Saturday ride may remember me as the guy on the ST1100 with the "always on" brake lights. Well, I've discovered the problem. The bulbs are manufactured backwards! Instead of a 15 watt tail light and a 50 watt brake light, I ended up with a 50 watt tail light and a 15 watt brake light! I'm going to try reversing the wires (once the ST is back on the road), and see how they work when wired correctly. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:07:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6737D812392 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707030702.22479.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:07:02 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randy- The BMW K1200RS is 628 lbs (w/fuel) making 130 bhp @ 8750 rpm (limited to 100 hp in Europe) it's not touted as Beemer's sport bike but as their Sport-Touring Bike. The R1100S is relegated as their sport bike w/ 98 bhp @ 7500 rpm & 504 lb curb weight with fuel... Okay..still not as impressive as some of the rice-rockets, but it has alternate fuel capabilities running cleanly on bratwurst, sauerkraut, & beer. Not impressed? YOU try it! :-p -Corbett --- Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression > that the bike cops > would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their > role was to be the > infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" > riders in the area, > to be able to alert the other cops of the > whereabouts of the illegal > racing activity. That's what the report said, > anyway... > > When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the > cops were going to > use, they said something like, "these machines weigh > around 600 pounds, > and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to > me, and not > particularly impressive even if it is true. The most > popular "road > rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in > the report of > riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the > GSXR. The new one > weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. > > Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look > out for a tall, bald, > black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs > with the > checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to > join your gang, say > "Get lost, Stone!" > > This public service announcement has been courtesy > of: > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > > > Corbett B wrote: > > > I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting > the > > 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via > > computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the > bike > > is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle > > division that performs mods on police-prepped > bikes > > (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the > bikes I > > saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 > > K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or > > checkerboard) paint scheme. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:15:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673F9812570 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-91.patriot.net [209.249.180.91]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e673F1j15121; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <396549A0.CBAAE610@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:08:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Halogen Brake Lights References: <000c01bfe7b9$31121d60$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An easier fix than my always on brake lights. Apparently, while lubing my throttle cables I busted the front brake switch pushrod. Me and a fellow biker managed to mickey mouse it back together but it still sticks on occasion. Off to dealer tommorrow with cash in hand and a fervent hope that they have the part in stock. If not I'll cut the front brake switch wire and trigger the lights with the back brake until I can get the damn part. ??? Are all halogen brake/tailights rigged ass-backwards ??? Bill Bob Meyer wrote: > Those of you who were on the Saturday ride may remember me as the guy on the > ST1100 with the "always on" brake lights. Well, I've discovered the > problem. The bulbs are manufactured backwards! Instead of a 15 watt tail > light and a 50 watt brake light, I ended up with a 50 watt tail light and a > 15 watt brake light! > > I'm going to try reversing the wires (once the ST is back on the road), and > see how they work when wired correctly. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:17:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e673H8812580 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707031700.158.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:17:00 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill- K bike among the screamers? All you gotta do is drive by my house on the weekend. I park my K1200RS about 15 feet from my bedroom.... I've been trying to get the girls to keep it down though. The roommates have been losing sleep keeping their ears up against the wall... :-0 -Corbett '99 K1200RS PS. I think Daffy was assigned to public relations.. --- Bill Huson wrote: > That's funny! Infiltrate on a Beemer??? Who does > the cops intelligience > work - Daffy Duck? I have never seen a K Beemer > among the screamers. > > Bill > laughing... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:23:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673NE812659 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11043; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:23:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706231156.00b7b7c0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:23:00 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed DC-Cycles members are already aware of the Maryland 'Operation Rocket Roundup' effort to snare aggressive motorcyclists. I taped the NBC 4 news story this evening for those of you that haven't seen it. I thought it was funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in excess of 180 MPH! Heh. Clip can be viewed here: 13Mb AVI: http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi 10Mb Zipped AVI: http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi.zip 5Mb Original FOX report (no VFR) AVI: http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi Sorry the files are so big. Editing software keeps crashing. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:27:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673RZ812755 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-91.patriot.net [209.249.180.91]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e673RRj16408; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39654C8A.32E52BE5@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:20:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000707031700.158.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know you're problem. Many nights I've peeked out the window on my house, centered on a half acre lot, and spied the nieghbor across the street sucumbing to the urge to light up a cigarette. Hmm... I thought Yosemite Sam had been assigned to public relations Bill Corbett B wrote: > Bill- > > K bike among the screamers? All you gotta do is drive > by my house on the weekend. I park my K1200RS about 15 > feet from my bedroom.... I've been trying to get the > girls to keep it down though. The roommates have been > losing sleep keeping their ears up against the wall... > :-0 > > -Corbett '99 K1200RS > > PS. I think Daffy was assigned to public relations.. > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > That's funny! Infiltrate on a Beemer??? Who does > > the cops intelligience > > work - Daffy Duck? I have never seen a K Beemer > > among the screamers. > > > > Bill > > laughing... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673dF812928 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-54.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05669 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:39:09 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01b701bfe7c4$cb77de20$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Curiosity slaked Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:36:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's done. Harleys are no longer the mysterious reviled-and-worshipped = icons of the past. A 4-hour ride today filled out a big section of my = personal Harley FAQ, abuilding over the last few years. =20 For those who have like needs, read on. Veterans could be bored. =20 The story. Midway through my morning mail yesterday was Motorcycle = Times. Uh Oh. A must 15min skim at least. Flip, flip, read, flip. = And doing a little fantasizing about those wx forecasts for today, Fri, = Sat. -- Canada candy. =20 Whoa. There's a full pager from the new Harley Dealer, Patriot, in = Fairfax. With "We Rent H...-D...'s" in big display. Like yelling = "Free Money" to Darva Conger. I leaped, checking rates, competition, = schedules, etc. (I recalled a posting here for H-D rentals in Clinton). = And it ended up tops. =20 For about $75 (12.50 of that was optional bike damage insurance) I rode = an 88B (new counterbalanced) Fatboy from 10:30 to 2:30, (Winchester and = back with stops). Could have ridden Wide Glides, Heritages, or Road = Kings. The bike had 4K miles and glistened. And the day was perfect. = A Harley experience in spades. =20 The point is that the rental service did well by me. Its a = multi-location national operation, and at Patriot the desk is inside the = dealership and seems busy. A lot of details at www.motorcyclerentals.cc = (they said the site is someplace in the South Pacific -- zip cost). = Rentals anyplace from half-day on (various weekend, length of rental = options). Reservations appropriate. Scott's the local man at 703 218 = 4004. (As always these days, there is a lot of fine print on the rental = papers.) My Harley impression? Increasing pluses with the new engine, improving = quality. Did it knock me off my VN750? Not yet. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Jealous while Fatboy goes travelling. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's done.  Harleys are no longer the = mysterious=20 reviled-and-worshipped icons of the past.   A 4-hour ride = today filled=20 out a big section of my personal Harley FAQ, abuilding over the last few = years. 
 
For those who have like needs, read on.  = Veterans could=20 be bored. 
 
The story.  Midway through my morning mail = yesterday was=20 Motorcycle Times.  Uh Oh.  A must 15min skim at least.  = Flip,=20 flip, read, flip.  And doing a little fantasizing about those wx = forecasts=20 for today, Fri, Sat. -- Canada candy. 
 
Whoa.  There's a full pager from the new Harley = Dealer,=20 Patriot, in Fairfax.  With "We Rent H...-D...'s" in big=20 display.   Like yelling "Free Money" to Darva = Conger.   I=20 leaped, checking rates, competition, schedules, etc. (I recalled a = posting=20 here for H-D rentals in Clinton). And it ended up tops.  =
 
For about $75 (12.50 of that was optional bike = damage=20 insurance) I rode an 88B (new counterbalanced) Fatboy from 10:30 to = 2:30,=20 (Winchester and back with stops).  Could have ridden Wide Glides,=20 Heritages, or Road Kings.   The bike had 4K miles and=20 glistened.   And the day was perfect.  A Harley = experience in=20 spades. 
 
The point is that the rental service did well by = me.  Its=20 a multi-location national operation, and at Patriot the desk is inside = the=20 dealership and seems busy.  A lot of details at www.motorcyclerentals.cc = (they said=20 the site is someplace in the South Pacific -- zip cost).  Rentals = anyplace=20 from half-day on (various weekend, length of rental = options).  =20 Reservations appropriate.  Scott's the local man at 703 218 = 4004.  (As=20 always these days, there is a lot of fine print on the rental=20 papers.)
 
My Harley = impression? =20 Increasing pluses with the new engine, improving quality.  Did it = knock me=20 off my VN750?  Not yet. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Jealous while Fatboy goes = travelling. =20
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:51:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e673pZ813183 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707035128.5369.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:51:28 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: Doug Allis , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doug- Come to think of it...I remember watching the same courtroom drama. A little pucker factor when I saw numerous guys ushhered through the little "hidden" door to the side of the courtroom (Fairfax County)..and this is the "GOOD" Judge I thought? Turns out you figure out how good a case you have..if your position is weak, your attorney has opportunity try to "make a deal" [SEE Plea Bargain] with the Prosecutor. Generally the Judge will accept any deal the Prosecutor is willing to "Recommend". IF the prosecutor is willing to deal. Bring a copy of your(hopefully CLEAN)driving record with you to show the Prosecutor... I'm not sure about getting to pick your Judge..I showed up for my court date with the "Good" Judge and OOPS..there was a last minute change in judges... Once you show up - GAME'S ON! -Corbett --- Doug Allis wrote: > Dave > > I've been through the "reckless driver" system twice > in Fairfax Co -- two > times in in two years -- 1995 and 1997. Once in a > car and once on a > motorcycle on the 395 HOV lanes. Both times I sat in > court and watched many > other "reckless drivers" go up and get their due > licking before my case came > up. Most were speeders only and many didn't have > lawyers. I saw a couple of > real fools get jail time! But by the time my case > came up, I was sure I was > going to be OK. Why? because the guys that had > lawyers or a real sob story > were doing OK. Those who didn't have either were > losing their licenses. Get > a lawyer familiar with the Fairfax system. You are > exactly right that you > need to know which judge will go easy on you... you > pay your lawyer to make > sure that you appear before that judge. On the > second one I got two > continuances before I appeared before the "right" > judge. I got off easier > the second time because we could get the judge we > wanted. So I got two > reckless charges in two years, both speeding and my > insurance payment never > went up. I paid a total of $1,100 in lawyer's fees-- > about $400 the first > time and about $700 the second. Compare that to > losing your license for a > few weeks. > > > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > > > single most relevant factor > > > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going > to > > > be the judge. > > > > > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > > > > > dave cross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 00:08:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6748q813464 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707040845.29715.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:08:45 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Red-Light Cameras To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know MY bike trips the damn red light camera's in Vienna (Old Courthouse Rd. & Nutley). Can't get away with a "California Stop" and no more pulling into the middle of the intersection while the light is yellow and "clearing the intersection" once the light turns red and traffic stops. This intersection has it all...infrared lights to FURTHER ILLUMINATE your (front plate if you're in a car, you're gestures if you're on a bike) AND two halogen spotlights to illuminate the back of the vehicle as you drive away. I've set off the spotlights numerous times now..still haven't recieved a ticket. Nowadays, I'm coming to a FULL stop...putting my doggone feet down, scratching, shaking my head...and proceeding. -Corbett ps One of my roommates DID get busted by a "red light camera" in Rosslyn on that "pull into the intersection on yellow and clear it on red" manuever...think the ticket was $40 & no points. Nice stop-motion photography though. (2 or 3 frames of You driving through the intersection) --- Morris Berman wrote: > Does anyone of the M/C will trip the redlight > cameras in the district? > > -Mb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 00:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e674Dv813544 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707041350.6153.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:13:50 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: The Loundon 9 To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AND did anyone ask the Lawyer(s) if it would be helpful/harmful/wasteful to have DC List riders show up in masse? -C --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Speaking of lawyers and reckless tickets, when do > the "loundon 9" get their > day before the Man? > __________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you! > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 00:55:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e674td814157 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707045530.4885.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:55:30 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Laura- Maybe it's because you always want to hog the ladies for yourself? Whuz up wit dat? If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... Any ladies are welcome to join me for a ride up to "Good Guys" after Bike Night 3.... -Corbett '99 K12RS ps I appreciate ladies on bikes as much as you do...as a matter of fact PROBABLY EVEN MORE!! --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: Hey [Mark], why didn't I ever get a great > introduction to the list like that? You are my > neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or > something???? lol. > > Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a > girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us > if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. > Contact me off the list. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 01:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f331.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.209]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e675Y7814811 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 01:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57607 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 05:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.180.8.116 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:33:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.180.8.116] Reply-To: btw@XXXXXX From: "Brandon Whittle" To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Might also notice that Maryland's pursuit 'rocket bike' is a BMW K1200RS - It might come close to keeping up with the VFR they showed... Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat imaging will do the trick. How much many can we put into this? It is comparable to sinking a million dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things law enforcement spends money on sometimes. Brandon Whittle >DC-Cycles members are already aware of the Maryland 'Operation Rocket >Roundup' effort to snare aggressive motorcyclists. I taped the NBC 4 news >story this evening for those of you that haven't seen it. I thought it was >funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in excess of >180 MPH! Heh. > >Clip can be viewed here: > >13Mb AVI: >http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi > >10Mb Zipped AVI: >http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi.zip > >5Mb Original FOX report (no VFR) AVI: >http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi > >Sorry the files are so big. Editing software keeps crashing. > > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 02:23:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e676NH816400 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b7.4adfc5f (3893) for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:23:06 EDT Subject: Have fun To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as things turned out I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at Laguna Seca!!!! Totally psyched! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 06:42:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67AgA820668 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA1294269 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965B3D9.E26677B7@radix.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:41:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '98 VFR800 Rear Sprocket References: <20000706215445.87293.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Keiser wrote: > > In case any of you were wondering if your thumb could fit between the chain > and rear sprocket teeth, let me save you a world of hurt by saying "HELL NO > IT CAN'T!!!!" Well, uh, it can when you're barely able to walk... Thanks to my NIT WIT older brothers, I found out that as a toddler your finger(s) CAN FIT... About '72 or '73, after MUCHO pleading, my two older brothers convinced my parents to let them buy a motorcycle (dirt bike) - they were 14 & 16 years old respectively... I was but 3 or 4... One of them, to this day, neither will own up to it, decided it needed to be brought in the house, in the living room, & taken apart. While they were putting it back together, the call came for dinner. my oldest brother had just put the rear wheel & chain on. The last thing he did before going to eat was spin the wheel. I remember - my first really coherent recollection as a child - that this was way cool, so I went to touch it (gimme a break, I was like, 3 or 4). Much screaming & ballyhooing ensued, as well as a trip to the emergency room, & my 1st set of stitches. From that day, until I turned 18, I was unable to have a motorcycle... Oh well, the old man beat the crap out of the both of them ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 06:51:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ApH820816 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-50.cybercable.com [204.188.47.50]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67AoIL22457 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965B623.BB145D3@loudoun.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:51:18 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: rajmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000707030702.22479.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Corbett-- I didn't mean to disparage anyone's choice of ride. The Beemer is a really nice bike, just not particularly well suited to the task being discussed IMHO, however you slice that particular Bratwurst. Consider that for @ $9399 the police could buy the latest GSXR 750 (or "SRAD", pronounced "shrad" by many Maryland rocketeers I've encountered) and have instant credibility with the groups they're supposedly trying to infiltrate. Also, if I'm a rocketeer, I've got my eye out for anyone on a BMW trying to join my reindeer games; I can safely exclude all of them that I encounter, secure in the knowledge that I've likely just ferreted out a cop. I mean, what kind of street hooligan rides a late model BMW sport tourer? Besides you? ; ) As a rocketeer, I simply cannot treat the "Shrads" and the ZXs with the same impunity; those are the weapons of choice, as common as cockroaches! Then again, if I'm a cop riding an 8 hour shift maybe the BMW starts to make sense after all... Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Corbett B wrote: > Randy- > > The BMW K1200RS is 628 lbs (w/fuel) making 130 bhp @ > 8750 rpm (limited to 100 hp in Europe) it's not touted > as Beemer's sport bike but as their Sport-Touring > Bike. The R1100S is relegated as their sport bike w/ > 98 bhp @ 7500 rpm & 504 lb curb weight with fuel... > Okay..still not as impressive as some of the > rice-rockets, but it has alternate fuel capabilities > running cleanly on bratwurst, sauerkraut, & beer. Not > impressed? YOU try it! :-p From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 06:52:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Aqp820826 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA07820 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17640 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA1568807 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965B659.933E0DA1@radix.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:52:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report References: <4.2.0.58.20000706231156.00b7b7c0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike T wrote: > > DC-Cycles members are already aware of the Maryland 'Operation Rocket > Roundup' effort to snare aggressive motorcyclists. I taped the NBC 4 news > story this evening for those of you that haven't seen it. That was disappointing ; Vance is a biker. A Harley rider, but a biker nonetheless. It's a sport bike or cafe bike, or racer replica, not a rocket. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 07:03:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67B3E821001 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e67B3Aj16484 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:03:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3965B757.6A774FC1@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:56:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: reckless in VA and judges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I've been lurking this thread and viewing comments about getting a lawyer who will attempt to get one's case tried before the *right* judge. ***BLINK*** Okay, maybe that explains why the old geezer who took a damn good shot at killing my ass had his case - failure to yield - continued THREE times. Then when the case came before a judge, who I might add was as geezerly as the M/C attack geezer, his lawyer asks for this round to be a "pre-trial heaing". I'm going huh, whazat? It was a request for a freaking jury trail!!! On a traffic ticket??? Good grief! The Judge sez no and we go on. Judge fines the geezer $25. I'm immpressed with justice - NOT! As I'm leaving I spy the two geezers, judge and M/C attacker, yukking it up and reminising about being in the same frat at college or some such drival. Could that explain the insulting to the victim $25 fine??? Demographic profiling alert: While cruising along on your scoot, beware of large cars piloted by blue hairs. The ever-dangerous Geezer-Mobile... Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 07:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Btk821765 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id HAA22482 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965C5F2.37F2D8EE@pti.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:58:43 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: Bike Night 3: Two Wheel Tuesday] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here you go Jonathan "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Boyz and girlz... > > The next Bike Night will be on Tuesday, July 18th from 7pm to ??? at > Grevey's in Falls Church. It'll be "Two Wheel Tuesday" with Speedvision > on most/all of the TVs. All the details are on the website at > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight > > Mark your calendars! Hope to see y'all there! Please let friends (even > if they don't ride m/c's) know about this (and feel free to cross-post > to other m/c lists and clubs -- thanx!) > > Cheers, > Skittles, aka Chuck > '93 GSXR 750 > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67D4T822877 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:02:45 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Cycles USA (Georgia & Connecticut Silver Spring(?)) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:10:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 I have taken my bike there before. They seem like they're OK, maybe a bit on the expensive side. I didn't have much done, but it is the nearest place to my new house. I'll probably give them a shot with my next valve adjustment and see how they do. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:15:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67DEr823026 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Fri Jul 07 06:16:58 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3LR3479G>; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:16:01 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5735@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Cc: "'Steven C. Di Pietro'" Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:12:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steven, Thanks for the suggestion. When I had my old Corbin re-upholstered, I had the guy add a gel pad and it did seem to help. On the other hand, strapping one on the top of the seat will raise the seat height about an inch and that is to be avoided. My wife is not able to flat foot the bike at stops as it is, and I don't want to exacerbate the situation. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:46 PM To: Coleman, Perry; D.C.Cycles-L Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades Perry, I'd look into gel seat pads. I saw them in the Lochart Phillips catalog, awhile ago. It's removable, so there's no investment in a second seat. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org PS. SOC-USA is looking for a Coordinator for the Washington DC area. Contact me if interested. SCD "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67DcD823417 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22005 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 06:38:00 -0700 Date: 7 Jul 2000 06:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Jul 2000 13:38:00 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Jul 2000 06:38:00 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish On Thu, 06 July 2000, Corbett B wrote: Hogging the ladies all to myself huh? Now if I were smart, I'd organize a guy's ride and I'd be the only lady. LOL. You should organize a guys ride. that wouldn't make you pigs at all! I wasn't intentionally leaving anyone out of the ride, just figured that the girls would be a great way for all of us ladies on bikes to meet each other. :-) Laura > > Laura- > Maybe it's because you always want to hog the ladies > for yourself? Whuz up wit dat? > > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > > Any ladies are welcome to join me for a ride up to > "Good Guys" after Bike Night 3.... > > -Corbett '99 K12RS > ps I appreciate ladies on bikes as much as you do...as > a matter of fact PROBABLY EVEN MORE!! > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Hey [Mark], why didn't I ever get a great > > introduction to the list like that? You are my > > neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or > > something???? lol. > > > > Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a > > girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us > > if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. > > Contact me off the list. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:51:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Dpu823647 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13AYXn-0003B1-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:51:51 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05CSH; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:44:49 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Cc: Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:53:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 There are only few of us... ;) Michiko -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:38 AM To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish On Thu, 06 July 2000, Corbett B wrote: Hogging the ladies all to myself huh? Now if I were smart, I'd organize a guy's ride and I'd be the only lady. LOL. You should organize a guys ride. that wouldn't make you pigs at all! I wasn't intentionally leaving anyone out of the ride, just figured that the girls would be a great way for all of us ladies on bikes to meet each other. :-) Laura > > Laura- > Maybe it's because you always want to hog the ladies > for yourself? Whuz up wit dat? > > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > > Any ladies are welcome to join me for a ride up to > "Good Guys" after Bike Night 3.... > > -Corbett '99 K12RS > ps I appreciate ladies on bikes as much as you do...as > a matter of fact PROBABLY EVEN MORE!! > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Hey [Mark], why didn't I ever get a great > > introduction to the list like that? You are my > > neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or > > something???? lol. > > > > Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a > > girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us > > if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. > > Contact me off the list. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 10:21:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ELC824170 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08472 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21162 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-192.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.192]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA12266; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Have fun Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Gee thanks for the info Bryan. Rub our noses in it, why don't you! You lucky Bastard! I expect photos! Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:23 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Have fun > > > > I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as > things turned out > I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at > Laguna Seca!!!! > > Totally psyched! > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 10:45:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67EjJ824620 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23346 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 07:45:12 -0700 Date: 7 Jul 2000 07:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Jul 2000 14:45:12 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Jul 2000 07:45:12 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: last night's news report Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, listening to his portable CD player on his head phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice VFR, though... Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:14:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FDm825187 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071513.e67FDm825187@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.fb.80cd21a (15881); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:12:04 -0400 Date: Fri Jul 07 11:12:03 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Have fun To: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DIE ROACH!!!! I WAS supposed to be going to Laguna this weekend but, money problems happen. Anyway, have fun. NOT!! ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 7 Jul 2000 2:24:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as things turned out I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at Laguna Seca!!!! Totally psyched! - Roach >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:16:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FGv825269 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67FGGm06444 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22725; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:14:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000707111128.006be1e4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:11:28 -0400 To: Bill Huson From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Halogen Brake Lights Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <396549A0.CBAAE610@patriot.net> References: <000c01bfe7b9$31121d60$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:08 PM 7/6/00 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: > >??? Are all halogen brake/tailights rigged ass-backwards ??? > I don't know about ALL, but apparently all the ones supplied by Sport Touring Accessories: http://www.sporttouringusa.com have had this problem. Aside from this, I highly recommend STA. They are apparently in the process of moving their business, however, so they may be hard to get a hold of right now. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:28:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FS3825503 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18323; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000070711275302:34439 ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:27:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3965F776.B9623268@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:29:58 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/07/2000 11:27:54 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/07/2000 11:27:55 AM, Serialize complete at 07/07/2000 11:27:55 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Hogging the ladies all to myself huh? Now if I were smart, I'd organize a guy's ride and I'd be the only lady. LOL. Hey now! I couldn't let you have ALL of the fun yourself... you'd be one of 2 ladies... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67FXU825597 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23799 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 15:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 15:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <39661E09.5F23C183@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:14:33 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike T CC: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report References: <4.2.0.58.20000706231156.00b7b7c0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike T wrote: > > I thought it was funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in > excess of 180 MPH! Heh. Gee, I sure hope they can distinguish the differences between a GSXR or a CBR and say, a Concours. :( 106 mph in a 55 zone might be a tad bit excessive, but when prevailing traffic often hits or exceeds 80mph on the beltway, it'd be really easy to get caught up in this crap. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:33:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FXY825607 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D6D@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Tire Changing??? Huge Favor Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:26:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone out there has the capacity to install tires and is really COOL, I really need to install new tires on my VFR (with center stand) tonight. I know this is a shot in the dark, but I would be happy to pay you! Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:37:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Fb9825708 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e67Fb2m09476 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:35:55 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: last night's news report To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice for that person... i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of an airplane. (better reference to the race track for sake of arguments) --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, > listening to his portable CD player on his head > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice > VFR, though... > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:50:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FoI826345 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67FoBm11780 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id r.15.62f180e (3979); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.62f180e.2697560f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:49:35 EDT Subject: Re: last night's news report To: matt_ehlert@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/7/00 11:39:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, matt_ehlert@XXXXXX writes: > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. Those plastic bits on our bikes actually serve a usefull purpose - you get behind them when you go fast :) When I first started racing, I wasn't getting down low enough going down the front stretch (my 400 tops out at about 140mph by the end of the front stretch at Summit Point) - that evening I had a sore neck from the wind force! Now I just put my chin on the tank and all is good - the wind is diverted around you by the fairings. It's pretty heavy when you pop up for braking at the end though! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67G1i826630 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10475; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:01:36 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200007071601.MAA10475@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:35:55 PDT." <20000707153555.19342.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:01:36 -0400 In your message dated: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:35:55 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice => for that person... => => i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on => the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ => range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and => getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of => an airplane. My personal experience--on the Italian Autostrada where it was legal--is that extended riding above 125 on my GTS1000 gets boring. It's loud, and there's a certain amount of "lift" from airflow over my helmet. Yeah, the horizon approaches faster, but it's not substantially different than doing 80. Oh, you can visibly watch the fuel gauge needle descend! The weird thing is "backing" off to about 80mph (5k rpm) and feeling like you should downshift because there's no power. => => (better reference to the race track for sake of => arguments) => => => => --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: => > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding => > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, => > listening to his portable CD player on his head => > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used => > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be => > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice => > VFR, though... => > => > Laura Granato => > '99 Suzuki GS500 => > => > => > ________________________________________________ => > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. => > http://www.peoplepc.com => => => => => __________________________________________________ => Do You Yahoo!? => Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. => http://im.yahoo.com/ => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:06:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from academic.pg.cc.md.us (academic.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67G65826731 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by academic.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA30339; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:31:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Matthew Ehlert cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report In-Reply-To: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've had my F4 up around the 135-140 mark (145 or so indicated)...no problems whatsoever. Of course, I was crouched down behind the wind screen, and the ride is surprisingly smooth. I've ridden a naked SV650 up around 80 mph, and this gets uncomfortable to me -- I felt like I was about to be sucked off the bike. :-) Brad 99 CBR600 F4 (street) 99 SV650 (race) 88 FZR400 (race) On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Matthew Ehlert wrote: > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > for that person... > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:14:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GEL826830 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-125.s125.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.125]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13Aalb-0000lk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:14:17 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:18:36 GMT Message-ID: <396729ab.29598293@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67GEN826831 On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT, you wrote: |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat imaging will do the trick. Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter tops out at 140 mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend on the inside has told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of course that 140 mph can go in any straight direction... anyone know the speed that helicopter can travel? What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt police initiated a chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even though the helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited to major highways.. so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved with such a high risk traffic stop without a real crime being involved...that and the state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the rider was willing to ride. |>How much many can we put into this? It is comparable to sinking a million |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things law enforcement spends |>money on sometimes. I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave up (or gotten another call) "we can follow him around all night in the air.. but is it going to be worth it? cease persuit". Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was spent on "protecting" this little boy? Funny..I thought we had a witness protection plan.. I hope that is a lot cheaper than what we spent on illian. Oh yeah and I was so glad they were protecting him.. You know.. they did an excellent job.. burstin into that residence, ready to shoot, and pointing a (sub-?)machine gun in his face. I bet he REALLY felt safe then. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:16:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from server.SPECTRUMscience.com (spectrumsci02.spectrumscience.com [208.58.10.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GGV826909 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071616.e67GGV826909@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Inbox (207-172-117-45.s45.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.45]) by server.SPECTRUMscience.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id M37A923P; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:14:54 -0400 Reply-To: From: Cc: Subject: SPAM: Horsepower Shootout To: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67GGX826910 Just a reminder that this Sunday is the Horsepower Shootout at Fast Lane Cycles. You may not be interested in competing but for $20 you can run your bike on their dyno and find out just how much hp your bike really makes, plus you get a free t-shirt with your entry. There will also be food and drinks available. MARRC will also be represented there and will provide info on cornerworking/racing/Summit Point. Details can be found at http://www.fastlanecycles.com dave cross From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:21:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GLh827010 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-125.s125.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.125]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13Aasl-0001tC-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:21:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: reckless in VA and judges Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:25:59 GMT Message-ID: <39682e15.30728523@smtp.erols.com> References: <3965B757.6A774FC1@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3965B757.6A774FC1@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67GLm827011 |>attacker, yukking it up and reminising about being in the same frat at |>college or some such drival. Could that explain the insulting to the |>victim $25 fine??? pathetic |>Demographic profiling alert: While cruising along on your scoot, beware |>of large cars piloted by blue hairs. The ever-dangerous |>Geezer-Mobile... I was riding yesterday and up ahead I see an old lady with those dark sunglasses on, about to make a left turn in front of me... I was saying to myself... now this is the typical "oops i didn't see him coming" profile driver/scenario. Nothing happened, but you best believe all my warning sirens were going off in my head. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67Gab827335 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8758 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 16:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 16:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <3966286D.90F83E75@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:58:53 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett wrote: > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > I know that Tracy has been really looking forward to the Girls Ride all week. She's not all that interested in riding with the regular DC Cycles guys (mentioned something about that testosterone thing, feeling pressured to keep up, etc., worried about the guys stuffing bikes under guardrails, etc.) I don't think the intent was just to exclude guys, but to encourage women who don't feel comfortable riding with the regular DC Cycles gang to get together. I think it's a great idea. Now I've got the house to myself Saturday morning! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:38:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GcL827353 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA1637384 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:38:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> <396729ab.29598293@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat imaging will do the trick. > > Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter tops out at 140 > mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend on the inside has > told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of course that 140 mph > can go in any straight direction... anyone know the speed that > helicopter can travel? 140 isn't unreasonable considering the load. I *think* the chopper is the same one they use for Medevacs (it's the same model if not the same chopper). FWIW, the UH 60 Blackhawk is good for about 195 mph stripped, fully loaded, about 175 - 180. It also costs about $2700.00 / hour to operate, give or take considering the current fuel prices. That's at cruising speed, not top speed. > > What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt police initiated a > chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even though the > helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited to major highways.. > so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved with such a high > risk traffic stop without a real crime being involved...that and the > state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the rider was willing to > ride. My stepfather has told me that PG routinely blows off high speed chases now. I'll take his word for it, he listens to a police scanner for a hobby... I get passed by PG county cops every day on the way home from work, & we're talkin' way over the 55 limit ... > |>How much many can we put into this? It is comparable to sinking a million > |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things law enforcement spends > |>money on sometimes. > > I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave up (or gotten > another call) "we can follow him around all night in the air.. but is > it going to be worth it? cease persuit". Don't count on it. Md. takes their speeders very seriously. Where do you think the budget surplus came from ;-) > > Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was spent on > "protecting" this little boy? I read about 3/4 of a million smackers.. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:47:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GlO827539 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21282; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:47:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707124556.00ca3440@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:47:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report In-Reply-To: <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> <396729ab.29598293@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you want to email the news station about that Road Rocket story they did, you can do so here: http://www.nbc4.com/tvsd/email/index.shtml I have asked them repeatedly to run a story on the danger that cages pose to motorcyclists. No interest. Maybe if a lot of people ask them..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:55:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67Gtd827681 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707165531.2271.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:55:31 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marylands helicopter specs - http://www.inform.umd.edu/UMS+State/MD_Resources/MDSP/aviation/As365spc.htm MAX AIRSPEED: 201 MPH / 175 KIAS NORMAL CRUISE AIRSPEED: 161 MPH / 140 KIAS A friend of mine Jerry is a helicopter instructor.... and just a Jet Ranger cost major bucks to operate(500+/hr)... i can imagine a Dauphin(marylands helicopter) is allot higher cost! --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT, you wrote: > > |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat > imaging will do the trick. > > Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter > tops out at 140 > mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend > on the inside has > told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of > course that 140 mph > can go in any straight direction... anyone know the > speed that > helicopter can travel? > > What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt > police initiated a > chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even > though the > helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited > to major highways.. > so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved > with such a high > risk traffic stop without a real crime being > involved...that and the > state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the > rider was willing to > ride. > > |>How much many can we put into this? It is > comparable to sinking a million > |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things > law enforcement spends > |>money on sometimes. > > I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave > up (or gotten > another call) "we can follow him around all night > in the air.. but is > it going to be worth it? cease persuit". > > Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was > spent on > "protecting" this little boy? Funny..I thought we > had a witness > protection plan.. I hope that is a lot cheaper than > what we spent on > illian. Oh yeah and I was so glad they were > protecting him.. You > know.. they did an excellent job.. burstin into that > residence, ready > to shoot, and pointing a (sub-?)machine gun in his > face. I bet he > REALLY felt safe then. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67H1m827877 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12343 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 16:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 16:31:50 -0000 Message-ID: <39662FCA.7F3A4440@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:30:18 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C > endorsement on license, listening to his portable CD player on his head phones. Well, I hope they bust his ass for the 106, and the no MC endorsement deal (what an idiot), but I was kind of amused how much they stressed the CD player in the video clip. I've listened to music/CB radio on the bike, it's not a distraction by any means. Now if he had piped a cell phone into his helmet, that might have been different. It's really hard to concentrate on driving a motor vehicle when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:13:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f253.hotmail.com [216.32.180.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67HDC828125 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75358 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 17:13:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707171304.75357.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.36.208.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:13:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MARRC Roadracing School July 15 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:13:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is anyone going to the Roadracing school next weekend at Summit Point? Let me know. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:21:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67HLm828283 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32563 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 16:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 16:47:33 -0000 Message-ID: <39663375.58A95BC3@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:45:57 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Tire Changing??? Huge Favor References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D6D@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > If anyone out there has the capacity to install tires and is really COOL, I > really need to install new tires on my VFR (with center stand) tonight. > > I know this is a shot in the dark, but I would be happy to pay you! Or find Todd Peer, pay him $30, and buy into the DC Cycles Tire Changer forever! It still seems like a great deal to me. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:23:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67HNL828293 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09582 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25930 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-192.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.192]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA08015 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000707165531.2271.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal If my piloting memory servers me right, the max speed for most rotor aircraft is around 200 knots as beyond that the trailing blade tends to stall. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Ehlert [mailto:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 12:56 PM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report > > > Marylands helicopter specs - > http://www.inform.umd.edu/UMS+State/MD_Resources/MDSP/aviation/As3 > 65spc.htm > > MAX AIRSPEED: 201 MPH / 175 KIAS > NORMAL CRUISE AIRSPEED: 161 MPH / 140 KIAS > > A friend of mine Jerry is a helicopter instructor.... > and just a Jet Ranger cost major bucks to > operate(500+/hr)... i can imagine a Dauphin(marylands > helicopter) is allot higher cost! > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT, you wrote: > > > > |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat > > imaging will do the trick. > > > > Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter > > tops out at 140 > > mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend > > on the inside has > > told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of > > course that 140 mph > > can go in any straight direction... anyone know the > > speed that > > helicopter can travel? > > > > What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt > > police initiated a > > chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even > > though the > > helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited > > to major highways.. > > so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved > > with such a high > > risk traffic stop without a real crime being > > involved...that and the > > state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the > > rider was willing to > > ride. > > > > |>How much many can we put into this? It is > > comparable to sinking a million > > |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things > > law enforcement spends > > |>money on sometimes. > > > > I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave > > up (or gotten > > another call) "we can follow him around all night > > in the air.. but is > > it going to be worth it? cease persuit". > > > > Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was > > spent on > > "protecting" this little boy? Funny..I thought we > > had a witness > > protection plan.. I hope that is a lot cheaper than > > what we spent on > > illian. Oh yeah and I was so glad they were > > protecting him.. You > > know.. they did an excellent job.. burstin into that > > residence, ready > > to shoot, and pointing a (sub-?)machine gun in his > > face. I bet he > > REALLY felt safe then. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:02:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67I24829388 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707180152.17899.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:01:52 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:01:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: NElson Ledges To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, Where's the spirit??? Don't you know the craters, patches, broken curbing, tires lining the track, etc. etc. are all part of the mystique and nastalgia of the sledges?!?! hehehe Besides, everyone needs to have their kidneys tenderized now and again.... Since I haven't made it to the track at all yet this season, I would actually WELCOME a visit to the ledges...we'll see what august has in store... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:07:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67I70829530 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707180648.15456.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:06:48 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike J. wrote: > How does being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? >MD, VA & DC have full reciprocity, to the best of my knowledge Mike, ticket I got three years ago in VA made it back to my oregon license; however the 79 in 40 on GW parkway (fine only thank goodness) never made it back to the old record...(can't remember if those were park police or DC cops as I was technically still in DC) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:21:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ILX800169 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08198; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39664B11.975EDB75@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:26:41 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Have fun References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roach, Two words: You suck! %^) Actually, have a great time. And take lots of pics ... especially of umbrella girlz! %^) Skittles BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as things turned out > I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at > Laguna Seca!!!! > > Totally psyched! > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:26:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IQd800256 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04029; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39664C42.C6FCD506@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:31:46 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39662FCA.7F3A4440@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote : > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:29:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ITT800358 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05818; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39664CEF.70E87873@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:34:39 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonman72@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 3 References: <90.6b1174f.269696f6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan, Bike Night 3 is Tuesday, July 18th at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. All the details are on the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Chuck, aka Skittles Jonman72@XXXXXX wrote: > > Folks, > > Could someone remind me of the details (time/place) for Bike Night 3?? > > Also, Anyone interested in a REALLY EARLY ride in the Howard County area > Saturday morning? I've got a 10:30am flight to California Saturday morning, > but I've also got a really big urge to go riding before I get on that flight. > How 'bout it??? > > Jonathan > '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:32:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IWJ800484 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id OAA29952; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396622E0.FFEF8157@pti.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:35:12 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been up to and held 163 according to the FJs speedo. Seems even faster when a car going in the other direction doing over 100 passes (Poof, and he's gone). And Roach is right, very windy when you decide to slow down and sit up. Oh, it was on that Italian Autostrada thingy too. 8 P Nelson Matthew Ehlert wrote: > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > for that person... > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:38:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IcO800585 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13Ad0s-0005tT-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:38:10 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05CY8; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:31:07 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Chuck Pena" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: last night's news report Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:39:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <39664C42.C6FCD506@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal They probably just have it on the books so they can cite you if you cause an accident. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 4:32 PM To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote : > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:41:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67IfX800610 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58232 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 18:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707184122.58230.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.32.192.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:41:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:41:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Welcome to the list, Kristina. (I know I'm late = Digest mode and computer acting up) I'm sure you'll pick up a bunch of great tips and meet lots of new people here. Well, ok, maybe not, but it sounded good. Now, to become really popular, ask everyone's opinion of helmet laws, lane splitting, favorite oils, where to get your Nighthawk serviced, top speeds, and what kind of gear to wear. That should keep you busy for a while. See you at Bike Night3. Great weather....go ride! Rob '98 VFR800 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:42:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IgR800686 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNRRJ>; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:41:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: last night's news report Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:41:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . Looking forward to clarification, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:32 PM To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote : > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:54:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Iru800964 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21558 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:53:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707145324.00cb9320@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:53:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: last night's news report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:41 PM 7/7/00 , eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: >Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town >in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either >I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . If it is the law - I can't find it in Virginia's online legislative service: http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS905759.HTM ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:55:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Itr801039 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20717; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3966531E.CEE7D239@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:01:02 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik, I can't cite exactly which law (i.e., statute/code), but I got the info from an LEO buddy of mine. One of his favorite things to do after pulling a car over (for whatever moving violation) and the driver is yakking on the cell phone: "Wanna turn of the cell phone please, sir/maam?" "Huh? Whaddya mean?" "Please turn off the cell phone." "Why? What's it to you?" "I'll ask one more time. Please turn off the cell phone. It's against the law in Virginia to drive and talk on the cell phone. Would you like to be cited for that too?" "Uh. OK." (And the cell phone is turned off!) Chuck eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town > in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either > I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . > > Looking forward to clarification, > > Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:32 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: last night's news report > > Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk > on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's > rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. > > Chuck > > Dale Horstman wrote : > > > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:58:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IwS801150 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10095 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28744 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21585; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707145655.00cb8870@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:58:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Airborne radar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was looking back through old Times issues and found this: http://www.washtimes.com/metro/default-2000630231751.htm VA can now catch speeding drivers from the air. I wondered what the white stripes on 66 were for. Surprised they had to pass a law to make it legal. I'll just slow down between the stripes ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Ixf801170 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67IxZm15676 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-191.patriot.net [209.249.180.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e67IxQj19877; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <396626F6.39EA40B@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:52:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Riding at naked bike at high speed is work. Frame mount fairings kick-ass for smoothing the ride out. My top was somewhere around 150+ on an `89 Yamahonker FZR 700, on Route 29 south of Charlottesville, not exactly legal. NOTE: Statute of limitations has expired - nyah nyah.... The honker was dead stable at that speed, smooth and slick as snot on brass doorknob.but like your average crunched up riding position sportybike, a bitch to ride around town. Not comfy at all. Now I ride a perfumed pig Harley FLHS, and 800 pound beats with a clip-on windscreen, shortened to keep down the buffeting. I'll never see 100 on it unless I strap a JATO bottle on the ass and light it off. For now I'm happy just chugging along... Bill Matthew Ehlert wrote: > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > for that person... > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. > > (better reference to the race track for sake of > arguments) > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding > > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, > > listening to his portable CD player on his head > > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used > > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be > > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice > > VFR, though... > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:08:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67J82801361 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13114 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 19:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 19:04:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3966298A.15797F9E@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:03:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town > in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either > I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . I can't beleive that VA's legislature can move that quickly and that quietly. Although I think it would be a good law to enact. (Donning flame proof Gerbing riding suit) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:09:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67J9v801395 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18404 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 19:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 19:08:47 -0000 Message-ID: <39662AA7.E65A9702@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:08:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <3966531E.CEE7D239@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > > Erik, > > I can't cite exactly which law (i.e., statute/code), but I got the info > from an LEO buddy of mine. Geez, I sure hope LEOs in VA aren't just making this stuff up as they go... There would be a great hue and cry from the yuppies around here if cell-phone use while driving was banned. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:11:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JBN801408 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-191.patriot.net [209.249.180.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e67JBAj21871; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <396629B7.B91FBF4A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:04:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39662FCA.7F3A4440@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Well, I hope they bust his ass for the 106, and the no MC endorsement deal > (what an idiot), but I was kind of amused how much they stressed the CD > player > in the video clip. I've listened to music/CB radio on the bike, it's not a > distraction by any means. > > Now if he had piped a cell phone into his helmet, that might have been > different. It's really hard to concentrate on driving a motor vehicle > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? > Actually, I find most music annoying while zipping down the road. I never listen to the radio/sterio unless SWMBO is along. Her taste in music blows, screechy fem singers. On the way back from TN this week I felt like ripping the tape out and tossing the Anita Screechalot into the median. Oh yeah, the cell phone is in the bag turned off. Give me quiet, a thermos of coffee, and a full tank of fuel and I'm gone.... Bill Harley with stealth pipes From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:18:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web220.mail.yahoo.com (web220.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67JIl801561 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707191844.19477.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.43.96] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:18:44 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:18:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Yamaha V-Star 1100 for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With all the riding time I've been spending lately on my VFR, I've had to make the difficult decision to part with my 1999 Yamaha V-Star 1100. It's in showroom condition, garage-kept, and has only 2400 miles on it...it's definitely a beauty!! If anybody's interested (or knows someone who may be), please let me know. You can see it in the ad below. http://classifieds.excite.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R166415+Q255700397 Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 99 V-Star 1100 (hopefully not much longer!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:22:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JM8801650 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67JM4m19263 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16743 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report In-Reply-To: <396626F6.39EA40B@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Instead of a JATO bottle, how about a box of flares strapped to the side and lit simultaneously? :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > Riding at naked bike at high speed is work. Frame mount fairings > kick-ass for smoothing the ride out. My top was somewhere around 150+ > on an `89 Yamahonker FZR 700, on Route 29 south of Charlottesville, not > exactly legal. NOTE: Statute of limitations has expired - nyah > nyah.... The honker was dead stable at that speed, smooth and slick as > snot on brass doorknob.but like your average crunched up riding position > sportybike, a bitch to ride around town. Not comfy at all. > > Now I ride a perfumed pig Harley FLHS, and 800 pound beats with a > clip-on windscreen, shortened to keep down the buffeting. I'll never see > 100 on it unless I strap a JATO bottle on the ass and light it off. For > now I'm happy just chugging along... > > Bill > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > > for that person... > > > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > > an airplane. > > > > (better reference to the race track for sake of > > arguments) > > > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding > > > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, > > > listening to his portable CD player on his head > > > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used > > > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be > > > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice > > > VFR, though... > > > > > > Laura Granato > > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash2.flashmail.com [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67JMc801660 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25313 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 19:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 19:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <39662AB0.821D9CFA@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:08:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <4.2.0.58.20000707145324.00cb9320@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > If it is the law - I can't find it in Virginia's online legislative service: > > http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS905759.HTM Glad I'm not the only cyber-geek around here. :) And I can't find it either. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:22:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JMn801670 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16803 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish In-Reply-To: <20000707184122.58230.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And don't forget to announce what kind of gun your're packing, either! ;) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Robert Keiser wrote: > Welcome to the list, Kristina. (I know I'm late = Digest mode and computer > acting up) I'm sure you'll pick up a bunch of great tips and meet lots of > new people here. Well, ok, maybe not, but it sounded good. > > Now, to become really popular, ask everyone's opinion of helmet laws, lane > splitting, favorite oils, where to get your Nighthawk serviced, top speeds, > and what kind of gear to wear. That should keep you busy for a while. > > See you at Bike Night3. Great weather....go ride! > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:35:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JZe801949 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10870; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39665C59.149D20EF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:40:25 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <4.2.0.58.20000707145324.00cb9320@mail.wheatintl.com> <39662AB0.821D9CFA@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My LEO buddy is with Fairfax County. Perhaps it's not a state law but a county ordinance? Chuck Dale Horstman wrote: > > Troutman wrote: > > > > If it is the law - I can't find it in Virginia's online legislative service: > > > > http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS905759.HTM > > Glad I'm not the only cyber-geek around here. :) And I can't > find it either. > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:37:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Jbr801969 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:36:21 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Airborne radar Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:44:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Hmm, sounds like they're putting down some good 1/4 mile drag strips to me. Just look for an airplane before your run :) I've actually been busted by ground based VASCAR before. I've heard that KA has had air based for some time now. Hopefully they'll work on the Integras with crome wheels and NY plates that do 100 up/down 95 and leave us alone. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:59:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Jxc802357 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-125.s125.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.125]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13AeHg-0001nf-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:59:36 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:04:05 GMT Message-ID: <396a601d.43538611@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> <396729ab.29598293@smtp.erols.com> <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67Jxh802358 |> My stepfather has told me that PG routinely blows off high speed chases |>now. I'll take his word for it, he listens to a police scanner for a I think PG county has a no chase policy now.. might be just for bikes..so they may not care if the state boys are chasing someone. Who gets sued if an accident happens? I dont' think pg county wants to find out. Ask your stepfather if he knows the helicopter frequencies. I haven't used my scanner much but that would be interesting listening i would think. I didn't use to listen to MD state frequencies either, but now that we have this rocket roundup thing going, it might be entertaining. |>hobby... I get passed by PG county cops every day on the way home from |>work, & we're talkin' way over the 55 limit ... I tend to go with the flow of traffic when I notice them, and i never pass them, and do the speed limit when i see them, and they do fade away in the front. Which doesn't bother me one bit :) |> Don't count on it. Md. takes their speeders very seriously. Where do |>you think the budget surplus came from ;-) yeah but if it takes 27 grand an hour to fly that chopper, think of the losses they take chasing this guy around for 15 minutes. it's no wonder they gave up on that one or two guy(s). it was interesting the news report said "of course some are going to get away.. but we'll catch some of them".. funny how they changed their story form "we will get you!" |>> Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was spent on |>> "protecting" this little boy? |> |> I read about 3/4 of a million smackers.. We're all very proud taxpayers aren't we.. our money is sooooo well spent. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 16:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67KC8802633 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10638 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00595 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA16356 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:12:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000707160851.0075b948@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:08:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Airborne radar In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000707145655.00cb8870@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:58 PM 7/7/00 -0400, Troutman wrote: >I was looking back through old Times issues and found this: > >http://www.washtimes.com/metro/default-2000630231751.htm > >VA can now catch speeding drivers from the air. I wondered what the white >stripes on 66 were for. Surprised they had to pass a law to make it >legal. I'll just slow down between the stripes ;-) I've lived in several different states that practiced speed enforcement by air. It never lasts very long. Why not? Cost, plain and simple. It costs a LOT of money to keep a plane or helicopter in the air, and even bureaucrats tire of spending $1000 for every $50 speeding ticket after a while. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 16:20:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67KKb802784 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3736 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 13:20:24 -0700 Received: from 1Cust77.tnt5.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.26.208.77) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 13:20:24 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Jul 2000 20:20:24 GMT Message-ID: <005c01bfe851$d0cdb380$4dd01a3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: References: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3966286D.90F83E75@flashmail.com> Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:27:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 That was exactly my intent. Being a newbie, I was hoping to gather a slower-paced ride where I could get comfortable riding in a group and not feeling pressured. I have ridden with some of the guys on the list, and have learned a ton, and I am hoping tomorrow will prove the same for us gals. Will let you all know how it turns out. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish > Corbett wrote: > > > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > > > > I know that Tracy has been really looking forward to the Girls Ride all > week. > She's not all that interested in riding with the regular DC Cycles guys > (mentioned something about that testosterone thing, feeling pressured to > keep up, etc., worried about the guys stuffing bikes under guardrails, > etc.) > > I don't think the intent was just to exclude guys, but to encourage women > who don't feel comfortable riding with the regular DC Cycles gang to get > together. I think it's a great idea. Now I've got the house to myself > Saturday morning! :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 18:58:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67MwN806303 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e67MwKm21071 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707225806.15195.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.184] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:58:06 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: last night's news report To: Matthew Ehlert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? pretty smooth....just don't sit up also, don't try to do too much in the turning department -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 19:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67N5Y806672 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-21.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.149]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA31113; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39668CF9.AEF1E75@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:07:53 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nbc4dc@XXXXXX Subject: Rocket Bikes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, I am writing to take issue with your characterization of certain motorcycles as "rocket bikes". The correct term (as is used within the motorcycle industry and by journalists) is "sportbike" (perhaps your reporter should have done more research). There are all types of road motorcycles, generally categorized as: standards, cruisers, tourers, sport-tourers, and sportbikes. To be sure, some motorcycles are faster than others (and some look fast/racey), but virtually all motorcycles are fast (i.e., capable of in excess of triple digit speeds). Calling them "rocket bikes" and then singling them out for law enforcement action (on the basis of the type of motorcycle) is, in my opinion, no different than racial profiling -- and just as abhorrent. Just because I ride a sportbike I am now considered some sort of menace on the road? I admit that there are probably sportbike riders out there who do the things your news story reported. But they aren't the only motorcycle riders who do so. And for that matter, car drivers of guilty of the same behavior. So why single out sportbikes? Shouldn't the police be trying to stop ALL irresponsible and dangerous drivers, regardless of what type of vehicle? And if they choose to focus on one type of vehicle (as a vehicle, rather than how it is being driven), aren't they then not paying attention to others who may be driving irresponsibly and dangerously? And why didn't your news story also talk about how dangerous car drivers (like those incessantly yakking on their cell phones and soccer moms paying attention to their kids instead of the road) represent grave danger to motorcycle riders (who have every right to be on the same roads), some of whom might be on sportbikes? My point is that the problem isn't sportbikes, per se. The problem is people who ride sportbikes irresponsibly and dangerously. Your story gave the impression that only sportbike riders are irresponsible and dangerous. And that ALL sportbike riders are such. Which then legitimizes the police action to single them out. BTW, did you know that the head of the motorcycle crew for the AIDSRide (in which NBC4 participated as a team and to which NBC4 gave extensive news coverage) rides a sportbike? And BTW, NBC4 anchor Jim Vance happens to ride motorcycles. To the best of my knowledge, he owns two: a Harley-Davidson (cruiser) and a BMW (tourer). And I've had the pleasure of riding with him once (on my sportbike). Regards, Chuck Pena Arlington, VA Suzuki GSXR 750 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 22:35:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e682Zc810904 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23579 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:35:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Saturday ride? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone planning a Sat ride? Non-aggressive...maybe to Skyline? If not I'm going to run down there solo. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 22:47:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e682lc811075 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwegerich (ip34.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.34]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA03846; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank Wegerich" To: "Mike T" , Subject: RE: Saturday ride? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:51:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> I am up for a morning ride ... can't do all day ... would like to go from 8.30am until 12.30pm. Ler me know if you want to meet somewhere ... Frank RT1100 -----Original Message----- From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 22:35 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride? Anyone planning a Sat ride? Non-aggressive...maybe to Skyline? If not I'm going to run down there solo. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 23:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e683Ad811407 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id i.3f.7307197 (3924); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:09:56 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.7307197.2697f583@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:09:55 EDT Subject: Road Rocket Story To: nbc4dc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 To Whom it may concern Your article on Maryland's State Police efforts to apprehend Road Racketeers on public roads was a discriminatory story. Not everyone on a SportsBike acts irresponsibly, which was not stated by your reporters or the Police Captain interviewed. So now everyone who watched your program now views Sportbike riders as irresponsible. That is discriminatory and irresponsible! So are you brave enough to correct this or is it not sensational enough for you! We have a hard time as it is watching out for CAR and TRUCK Drivers who are either on a cell phone or CB Radio! Are you aware that CAR DRIVERS KILL more MOTORCYCLISTS than motorcyclists kill car drivers or themselves. Are you aware that in New Jersey The NJTP Police Discriminated against African Americans because they thought they were more likely to be carrying Drugs! Is there a trend here! Who's Next? TV Reporters Calling in a story on their cell phone while driving on the beltway? You pride yourselves on fairly reporting a story, PLEASE DO SO THIS TIME!! Yours Sincerely, Richard McCreadie From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 12:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e68GMd826904 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000708162229.212.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:22:29 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Last nights news report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matthew wrote: "i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of an airplane." Matt, When my 93 GSXR had the stock gearing, 120mph was right at the motors "sweet spot". It was so smooth, stable and comfortable (even sitting up) that you really had no sensation of that speed at all...I went up a few teeth in the rear sprocket to pull the peak horsepower down to more usable speed ranges, but it wouls still fly... My 97 GSXR is set up for the track, and it's actually a pretty decent ride right up to the rev limiter in 6th gear... although you do get some head buffeting at that speed even in full tuck. Anita's GPZ 1100 is the same way... She let me take it for a spin one day, and it was very very very hard to keep it under 100 on any slab. THat thing was sooo smooth and quiet that I could have set a coke can on the tank at 100 without it fizzing out :) I don't know how she avoids tickets!! hehe I had to tool around in 4th gear to keep my speed down.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 12:28:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e68GS3826983 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000708162742.17966.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:27:42 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tonights operation roundup report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danielle wrote: "Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter tops out at 140 mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend on the inside has told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of course that 140 mph can go in any straight direction... anyone know the speed that helicopter can travel?" Danielle, assuming that they are using the French made Aerospatiale helo that was pictured in the fox report, rumor is all it is....We in the Coast Guard use this chopper with shitty american made engines in it and overloaded, and it will still exceed 200 knots for cruising speed.. I think max speed is up around 300 knots?? Robert Van Slyke can probably give us exact numbers since he's in the aviation industry... but rest assured, the helo won't get outrun by a bike.... besides, they don't have to follow the road... so they can take shortcuts and still keep bike in sight! CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 13:29:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68HTR827922 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26283 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:29:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000708132534.00b8ac20@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:29:16 -0400 To: From: Mike T Subject: RE: Saturday ride? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to Danny for leading Frank and I on a 200 mile tour of 211 and assorted backwoods trails ending with an accident and ticket free high speed run back 55. A good time was had by all. BEAUTIFUL DAY! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 13:59:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68Hwx828422 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-170.s170.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.170] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13AysS-0001iY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <028501bfe906$50246020$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> <4.2.0.58.20000708132534.00b8ac20@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Saturday ride? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:59:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It was definitely my pleasure. What a great day for a ride, and we found some nice roads. To top it all off, I got to have a Dunkin Doughnut and Baskin Robbins Ice Cream! We don't have either in Warrenton. :(. I hope more of you got out and got to ride today, it was ideal. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike T To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Saturday ride? > Thanks to Danny for leading Frank and I on a 200 mile tour of 211 and > assorted backwoods trails ending with an accident and ticket free high > speed run back 55. A good time was had by all. BEAUTIFUL DAY! > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 18:07:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68M7t802411 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-172.s172.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.172] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13B2lL-0005vR-00; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3967A5C1.25C8225A@erols.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 18:05:53 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Free Helmet References: <3963B519.CEC9DE65@erols.com> <006e01bfe798$02146700$d055f7a5@winnie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan: Thanks again for donating the helmet to the Rider Training Program. Enjoyed meeting you at NOVA today. If you're up for a ride to the racetrack next weekend, stop by and visit me and my fellow MSF instructor and race partner George Vensko up at Summit Point. Look for the Flamin' Duc Racing pit! Tim Morrow -- MSF #21769 CCS MidAtlantic Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 19:22:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68NMu803582 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-181.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.181]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16168 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:22:54 -0400 Posted-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:22:54 -0400 Message-ID: <024701bfe932$fc548f60$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <9cp6msggdirkopchtjsiejvje3vjqr01ag@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Metzeler ME 880 Recall Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:19:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This for Gold Wing, etc. type tires. From the Vulcan list (picking up strays). http://www.2wf.com/html/2000News/20000630MetzlerRecall.shtml Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 20:33:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e690Xc804635 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 28664 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2000 17:33:29 -0700 Received: from 1Cust223.tnt2.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.23.125.223) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2000 17:33:29 -0700 X-Sent: 9 Jul 2000 00:33:29 GMT Message-ID: <003101bfe93e$57fff6a0$df7d173f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: girls' ride success Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:40:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just to let you all know. We had a great time! Six girls met and did a ride down 9, summit point road, looped around to 7, took snickersville tpk, stopped at great place for lunch, etc. It was a great group of girls (michelle kaston, lisa goddard, michele french, sally wood, tracy horstman, and myself) Jeannette, where were you???? :-) anyways...we figure next time we won't limit it to just the women. We had a great ride at a real relaxed pace on some great roads. So next time we will have to do a ride of those who just want to cruise around and have fun. Thanks to everyone who came out. It was great meeting you all! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 21:54:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e691s3805804 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.f3.a384d5 (3984) for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:53:41 EDT Subject: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Hey, question for the riders out there. Earlier I mentioned that the police may be thinking in terms of the partial pursuit; e.g. get close, snap a photo of the license plate and then make the apprehension later. Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning possible legislation in the fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles to be above and external to the rear fender for better visibility? Anyone have the details on that? Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 23:23:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e693NQ807114 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-132.patriot.net [209.249.180.132]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e693NMj08077; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:23:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3967EE94.52E40394@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:16:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the rear fender? Like who has their tag mounted inside the rear fender? Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey, question for the riders out there. > Earlier I mentioned that the police may be thinking in terms of the partial > pursuit; e.g. get close, snap a photo of the license plate and then make the > apprehension later. > > Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning possible legislation in the > fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles to be above and external to > the rear fender for better visibility? > > Anyone have the details on that? > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 23:33:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e693XZ807266 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27063 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:33:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000708232941.00b89b60@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:30:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist In-Reply-To: <3967EE94.52E40394@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I see it all the time. Crammed back under the rear. Typically on a R1 or similar rocket ;-) At 11:16 PM 7/8/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: >No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the rear fender? Like >who has >their tag mounted inside the rear fender? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 08:35:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e69CZA816551 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10783 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 12:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (24.15.187.164) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 12:35:50 -0000 Message-ID: <39687154.F729EB76@flashmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 08:34:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Metzeler ME 880 Recall References: <9cp6msggdirkopchtjsiejvje3vjqr01ag@4ax.com> <024701bfe932$fc548f60$aea4fccd@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mobacc wrote: > > This for Gold Wing, etc. type tires. From the Vulcan list (picking up > strays). > > http://www.2wf.com/html/2000News/20000630MetzlerRecall.shtml Gee, who rides a GW 60+ mph on hot pavement? Duh, nice thorough testing program there... Michelin recently recalled their GW-sized radial tires as well, seemed they couldn't handle towing a fully loaded trailer and the GW's weight at highway speeds very well. Good thing Dunlop has the K491 Elite II's. And even better, they fit on my Concours! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 09:11:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e69DB6816990 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000709131059.22589.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.211] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 06:10:59 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist To: Bill Huson , Gawthrop@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the > rear fender? Like who has > their tag mounted inside the rear fender? You've never seen this? This is pretty much standard equipment for the folks that get off on running from the police, and those that ever think they might have to (apparently a pretty big percentage). That and a toggle switch to kill the rear/all (?) lights whenever that's a necessity. > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning > > possible legislation in the > > fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles > > to be above and external to > > the rear fender for better visibility? > > > > Anyone have the details on that? > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > Maryland > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:17:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69EH0817986 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-170.s170.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.170] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BHtB-0005RK-00; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:16:58 -0400 Message-ID: <03a201bfe9b0$6291c720$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: vfr400r Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:17:15 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Can anyone give me any information about this bike? The one I am looking at is a '91 and appears to be in great shape. What would be an appropriate price for such a bike, registered and legal in the states, with about 10,000 miles? Thanks! Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69EW4818207 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00860 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02626 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-22.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.22]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA24186 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Fastlanes HP Shootout Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Anyone going today? Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:34:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69EY2818217 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-170.s170.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.170] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BI9g-00072M-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <03cc01bfe9b2$c3916740$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Fastlanes HP Shootout Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:34:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think I will swing by there toward the end, around 3:30 or 4:00. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Foreman To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Fastlanes HP Shootout > Anyone going today? > > > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > gary@XXXXXX > http://www.tl1000.com > _ > .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69Edr818306 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-100.patriot.net [209.249.180.100]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e69Edej11397; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39688D12.ECE91465@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:32:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist References: <20000709131059.22589.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Semantics, maybe. "inside" to me would be a tag mounted betwixt the rire and the fender, totally obscure. The standard tag fog I've seen is a dark tinted plate cover, illegal but rarely enforced. I will deny being a wild-child during my young years, but all my cars were equipped with a tailight/brakelight kill switch. All that planning didn't help - broad daylight when I recived a montser ticket which included failure to stop for an arresting officer and speeding to elude. Plan B - turn on my *charming* personality and wear my *most innocent* expression - yes, sports fans, I beat the ticket in court :-) Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the > > rear fender? Like who has > > their tag mounted inside the rear fender? > > You've never seen this? This is pretty much standard > equipment for the folks that get off on running from > the police, and those that ever think they might have > to (apparently a pretty big percentage). That and a > toggle switch to kill the rear/all (?) lights whenever > that's a necessity. > > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning > > > possible legislation in the > > > fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles > > > to be above and external to > > > the rear fender for better visibility? > > > > > > Anyone have the details on that? > > > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > > Maryland > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 18:44:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69Mit825685 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e69MB4m02397 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.20.8626e7f (7776) for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.8626e7f.269a51a3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:07:31 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/8/00 23:24:54 Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the rear fender? Like who > has their tag mounted inside the rear fender? Saw one today at Rick's HP shootout - a ZX-11 drag bike with the plate tucked in against (and molded to) the inside of the rear fender - you'd probably never see it with a rider onboard and the suspension compressed a bit Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 19:07:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69N7H826135 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwegerich (ip29.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.29]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06114; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank Wegerich" To: "Danny Thompson" , Cc: Subject: RE: Saturday ride? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <028501bfe906$50246020$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> Saturday was just perfect!!!! Thanks Mike for the idea to post the ride invite and for Danny to lead us through the great backroads of VA. Thanks again Frank BMW1100RT -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 14:00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride? It was definitely my pleasure. What a great day for a ride, and we found some nice roads. To top it all off, I got to have a Dunkin Doughnut and Baskin Robbins Ice Cream! We don't have either in Warrenton. :(. I hope more of you got out and got to ride today, it was ideal. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike T To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Saturday ride? > Thanks to Danny for leading Frank and I on a 200 mile tour of 211 and > assorted backwoods trails ending with an accident and ticket free high > speed run back 55. A good time was had by all. BEAUTIFUL DAY! > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 21:07:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A176828015 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id n.d0.84208e1 (9761); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:06:53 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:06:52 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday ride? To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/8/2000 2:00:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << I hope more of you got out and got to ride today, it was ideal. Danny >> Nope. Spent my b-day at Kings Dominion with a bunch of friends screaming my lungs out on the rides. =8-O The voice isn't doing to well today. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 21:09:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A19t828025 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id p.db.695aee4 (9761); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:09:43 EDT Subject: Re: girls' ride success To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/8/2000 8:34:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << Just to let you all know. We had a great time! Six girls met and did a ride down 9, summit point road, looped around to 7, took snickersville tpk, stopped at great place for lunch, etc. It was a great group of girls (michelle kaston, lisa goddard, michele french, sally wood, tracy horstman, and myself) Jeannette, where were you???? :-) >> Glad to hear it. Michele, glad to see you've made it onto the list. I saw your initial intro but, was in GA and AOhelL wouldn't let me respond. Hope you had fun. Talk to you later. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 22:25:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A2Pi829223 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29707 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:25:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000709222130.00b93320@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:25:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fairfax to Durham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Looking for opinions on roads. Headed down to Durham, NC for a week. I'm sitting here staring at Streets 2000 and eyeing a couple of roads that just have to be good. 220 S/E out of Roanoke looks like it cuts through the mountains. So does 221, but takes me way out of the way. 58 looks a little too straight. Anyone have any 'must ride' roads down there? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 01:54:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A5sm802573 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03422 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA13901 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-113.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.113]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA16098 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Fast Lane HP Shootout Photos Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Here are some photos if you are interested: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7115493 Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 08:47:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AClG809823 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13BcxV-0004ux-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:46:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insane bike pics (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720" Content-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@XXXXXX for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=Windows-1252 Content-ID: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From Kai Tiffany in the USA: "You guys have GOT to visit the following web pages of a Japanese company that does custom Hondas; "V-PER" they call themselves (see links below). This company's stylists have really got it going on! Whew! On the other hand, their English stinks; the company's name, "V-PER", stands for "Vibrated Performance". Eh? On their used bike page, they have a customized 1997 Suzuki Volty 250 that they call a "SUPER DUNG". And what about their...1998 Monky Goose, 1997 Skid-Scud, 1993 Gray-Fellow, 1992 Killi-Fish. Who makes up names like these for motorcycles that they intend on selling to the public?! On the other hand, the bodywork they've made up is stunning... VTR250 VTR1000 Thought some of you might be interested in these insane machines. Also if any of you want a free motorcycle Ezine go to http://www.all-moto.com/news.htm BIKE PICS X-4 CB-1300 - "Deathstar Galactica" ? As if that wasn't enough, check out their clay prototype Valkyrie; you could have your very own Judge Dredd-mobile The sick, twisted mind that came up with this Valkyrie is a genius." http://www06.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/kg7/w_house/v_per.html Martin Freedom is a road seldom travelled by the multitude ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description:
 

  From Kai Tiffany in the USA:
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for "Vibrated Performance". Eh?=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 10:09:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AE9X812409 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:09:25 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Glenn, > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > riding on borrowed > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > won't be out riding > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > the tire(s) replaced > and a tune-up. > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > ago. > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > still > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > it! > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 10:35:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AEZR812889 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.173]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25342; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396A0A8C.5AAE0797@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:40:28 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the problem! %^) Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > Glenn > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > Glenn, > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > riding on borrowed > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > won't be out riding > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > the tire(s) replaced > > and a tune-up. > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > ago. > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > still > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > it! > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 10:55:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AEtJ813345 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AEswj03203; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3969E21E.6E7ADA5A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:47:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> <396A0A8C.5AAE0797@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) Chuck Pena wrote: > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > problem! %^) > > Chuck > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > Glenn, > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > riding on borrowed > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > won't be out riding > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > ago. > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > still > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > it! > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:04:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AF4h813497 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D7E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Bill Huson'" , Chuck Pena Cc: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Group Rides Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:56:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That wasn't me Bill.......although Chuck did ban me from group rides until I got new skins. I am happy to say my VFR has brand new D207s, which were scrubbed is this weekend. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > To: Chuck Pena > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > problem! %^) > > > > Chuck > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > won't be out riding > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > ago. > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > still > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > it! > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:16:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AFGa813765 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AFFqj06556; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:15:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3969E703.64C446@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:08:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Chuck Pena , dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D7E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good on you! Altough it was kind of interesting to check out the design of the cord pattern on your old skins. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > That wasn't me Bill.......although Chuck did ban me from group rides until I > got new skins. I am happy to say my VFR has brand new D207s, which were > scrubbed is this weekend. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > To: Chuck Pena > > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > > problem! %^) > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > > won't be out riding > > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > > ago. > > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > > still > > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > > it! > > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:20:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AFKC813867 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA24031; Mon, 10 Jul 1972 11:22:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1972 11:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: vf-500 parts wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...I still need a tank, ignition switch (other vf models work), rear turn signals (other vf ok) and probably some other stuff to be discovered. Anyone got these parts or a parts bike for sale? Thanks. --Garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AFL4813933 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.173]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29824 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396A1542.32D2A84@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:26:10 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> <396A0A8C.5AAE0797@ix.netcom.com> <3969E21E.6E7ADA5A@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Mark Kitchell did need new tires for his VFR. %^) But as he posted, he has since gotten a new set of 207s (street tires, not the GP DOT-legal race tires). But the rider I was thinking about was someone else (who I don't think is actually on the list) whom I've ridden with many times before. Bill Huson wrote: > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:23:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AFNM814037 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25835 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Group Rides In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D7E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Bill, that sounds like a really good idea for the cash strapped (I should be getting paid next week). But in the meantime, does any duct tape work, or do I need to use the (more expensive) kind with the woven threads as oppsed to the kind with just the vinyl? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > To: Chuck Pena > > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > > problem! %^) > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > > won't be out riding > > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > > ago. > > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > > still > > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > > it! > > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:14:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resi3.resiusa.org (resi3.resiusa.org [216.88.44.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGEn815051 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by resi3.resiusa.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3T9T0M70>; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <83592CA59A97D31198DB00105AE56E604B9A33@resi3.resiusa.org> From: Genna Melamed To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: dirrections to Summit Point Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey everyone, I was wandering if anyone knows a nice, fun, mostly highway free directions from Baltimore area to Summit Point? I just don't really want to take I70 and 15 all the way there, too boring. I can look things up on Mapquest or Yahoo or Maps on Us, but I need ideas for what roads are actually good since none of those services can tell me that. Thanks Genna Melamed VTR1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:21:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGL4815227 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05707 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26108 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32015 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:20:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000710122018.00ce6d00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:20:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: re: North Carolina Roads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I totally fogot about the sportbike registry. Looks like my roads were already mapped out for me: http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/nc.htm ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:33:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGXS815442 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BgUn-0002zI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:25 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:38:28 GMT Message-ID: <396b2471.36138137@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000709131059.22589.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> <39688D12.ECE91465@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <39688D12.ECE91465@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6AGXX815443 On Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:32:51 -0400, you wrote: |>Semantics, maybe. "inside" to me would be a tag mounted betwixt the |>rire and the fender, totally obscure. The standard tag fog I've seen is |>a dark tinted plate cover, illegal but rarely enforced. That's exactly where they are mounted. Some people also put hte light above it, to technically be legal. Ok so who's gonna do the class 4 (or 6?) felony and run a line in to their exhaust pipe to dump oil to burn off and make a smoke screen? I hear castor oil works good You know, when a bike's tail light goes out, from the back, the headlight shining forward doesn't show up too well. I don't see a reason to kill it unless you're trying to hide from someone in front of you. Of course I would like a headlight kill switch.. batteries eventually get weaker, and it's nice to be able to turn the headlight off sometimes. I'd just like a illuminated rocker switch so I can be sure when it's off and on.. just as a reminder.. only switch I have is a manual, auxillary fan switch.. I guess it's time to go to radio shack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGrQ815768 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05895 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27088 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13Bgo3-0006fQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:53:19 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.28] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13Bgo2-0006Yz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:53:18 +0000 Message-ID: <006501bfea8f$94d0d480$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: Subject: And the winner is . . . Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Results are in from the Fast Lane Cycles Horsepower Shootout . . . So if you saw the following bikes lined up at a stop light which do you think would end up out front once the light changed to green . . .? Yamaha R1 Suzuki Bandit Suzuki Hayabusa Kawasaki ZX9R Honda CBR900 Well if horsepower is any indication it would be the Suzuki Bandit in front, with the R1 a few bike lengths behind and the rest far behind. If you took a look at the 1200cc Suzuki Bandit's naked motor you couldn't help but notice the Mr. Turbo kit giving it a whopping 213 rear wheel horsepower! In second would be the R1 with the not so obvious turbo hidden under its fairings giving it a huge 199 horsepower measured at the rear wheel. The Hayabusa would be third at 168hp, the ZX9R at 131hp and the CBR900 at 111hp. Official results will be posted on the Fast Lane Cycles web site later this week. http://www.fastlanecycles.com Dave Cross P.S. I didn't include lister Gary Foreman's 119hp TLR in the above example because no member of DC-Cycles would ever race on the street. ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:54:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGsr815781 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AGsbj22916; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3969FE28.E821FFEE@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:47:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Group Rides References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks ol' fashioned electrical tape would be fine - woven and saturated with gummy stuff, probably dead dinasour goo. Worked great on ice hockey stick blades! I could put so much spin on the puck it would wrap itself up in the goal net. Traction rating A Bill Morris Berman wrote: > Hey Bill, that sounds like a really good idea for the cash strapped (I > should be getting paid next week). But in the meantime, does any duct > tape work, or do I need to use the (more expensive) kind with the woven > threads as oppsed to the kind with just the vinyl? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > > To: Chuck Pena > > > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > > > > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > > > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > > > > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > > > problem! %^) > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > > > won't be out riding > > > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > > > still > > > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > -Mb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 13:18:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AHIH816229 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05999 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27743 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17451 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:25:51 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: And the winner is . . . Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfea93$0fe32620$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <006501bfea8f$94d0d480$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Thanks Dave!!! Of course I wouldn't race on the street! I'd like to mention the 1st place 123HP TL1000R owned by Jim Myer! (Love those V-Twins!) Remember, some photos are at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7115493 P.S. The Blue 199HP R1 was owned by a police officer :-) Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Cross [mailto:dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:55 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: And the winner is . . . > > > Results are in from the Fast Lane Cycles Horsepower Shootout . . . > > So if you saw the following bikes lined up at a stop light which do you > think would end up out front once the light changed to green . . .? > > Yamaha R1 > Suzuki Bandit > Suzuki Hayabusa > Kawasaki ZX9R > Honda CBR900 > > Well if horsepower is any indication it would be the Suzuki > Bandit in front, > with the R1 a few bike lengths behind and the rest far behind. > If you took > a look at the 1200cc Suzuki Bandit's naked motor you couldn't help but > notice the Mr. Turbo kit giving it a whopping 213 rear wheel > horsepower! In > second would be the R1 with the not so obvious turbo hidden under its > fairings giving it a huge 199 horsepower measured at the rear wheel. The > Hayabusa would be third at 168hp, the ZX9R at 131hp and the > CBR900 at 111hp. > > Official results will be posted on the Fast Lane Cycles web site > later this > week. http://www.fastlanecycles.com > > Dave Cross > > P.S. I didn't include lister Gary Foreman's 119hp TLR in the > above example > because no member of DC-Cycles would ever race on the street. ;-) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 13:53:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AHqw816796 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06136 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jxcarver@XXXXXX Received: from btcgw1.btcgateway.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [208.207.30.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28688 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philnotes4.household.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [192.168.144.10]) by btcgw1.btcgateway.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59482U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:42 -0400 Received: by philnotes4.household.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 86256918.00606734 ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:32:58 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HFN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86256918.006066D3.00@philnotes4.household.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:31:42 -0700 Subject: Laguna Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Not to steal the show from Brian Roach, but I too, was at Laguna Seca. This is the first time I --0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ?ve been to the Superbike races, and all I can is WOW!! You really just don?t get the same effect by watching it on Speed vision. = The really cool thing about Laguna is that all that separates you from the = track is a Jersey wall and a 6 foot-ish wire fence. So you can SMELL the bikes = as they go past. (Can you tell I haven?t been to a race before? I now think I= ?m an addict) Noriuki (sp??) Haga was amazing, as anyone who saw it will say. I thin= k at this level of racing, you?re just splitting hairs as to whom will win. That= ?s probably the top thing I was thinking about the entire race. What gave= Haga the edge? According to the other riders, he was just doing some "wild" thi= ngs out there. The other riders weren?t that far behind, but as in most races,= a little is a LOT. I was standing at turn 3, and little by little, you could se= e him further the distance from second place. It was interesting to see how the bikes performed. It appeared that th= e bikes with FI, like the R7 and the Ducatis, had no audible popping as they ro= unded the track. The Kawasakis seemed not to fair so well. Garth Rothwell put on a very fun stunt show. Burn outs and more burnou= ts. Stoppies with 3 people, stoppies while he SAT on the handlebars, stoppi= es with his wife with in front of him facing him, riding on his back with his f= eet on the bars and twisting the throttle. His finale was a burnout until the= tire popped. FUN FUN FUN! Bikes, bikes, and more bikes. I have never been to any event where the= re have been so many sport bikes. I saw a few NSRs "legally" registered here i= n Kalifornia. After registering my VFR800, I can see why that would be. = I live along 17 Mile Drive and the bikes were going up and down the street the= entire three days. I was surprised at how many Ducks there were. Where they = are most of the time, I don?t know. They were marketing the living S*** out of = them at the track. With B&W pictures trying to convince you of the class, styl= e, and uniqueness that is Ducati. T shirts, and if you?re already an owner, an owner?s tent with a free m= assage. (Honda wasn?t offering that, I wonder why?? HA HA) I was disappointed = that they didn?t have any of the new MH900e s, but I saw more RC-51s than you cou= ld shake a stick at. (Some guy has had one in the San Francisco times for sale = for more than a month, he started at 15k and is now down to the high 13s, HA!!) All in all a very fun day. I?m sorry I missed you Brian, but I?ve only met you once that I recall,= and without one of your bikes, I couldn?t pick you out of a crowd of ten le= t alone 85,000. John Carver 98 VFR800 Now in CA = --0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 14:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AI1w816973 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06191 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jxcarver@XXXXXX Received: from btcgw1.btcgateway.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [208.207.30.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28888 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philnotes4.household.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [192.168.144.10]) by btcgw1.btcgateway.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59482U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:46 -0400 Received: by philnotes4.household.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 86256918.0062AE3C ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:57:51 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HFN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86256918.0062ADE4.00@philnotes4.household.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:56:35 -0700 Subject: Avons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Would someone please tell me the difference between Avon AV36/AV35 AV40/AV39? It's not clear from their advertisment in the latest Motorcyclist, so I thought I would ask the list. Thanks. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 14:35:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AIZj817526 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06498 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00053 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.220]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06087; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396A42E0.487C17A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:40:48 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jxcarver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Avons References: <86256918.0062ADE4.00@philnotes4.household.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, If I did the math right, I think the difference is -4! %^) Sorry, but I couldn't resist. One of them should be the Azaro Supersport, but I'm not familiar with the Avon nomenclature. And unfortunately, all my catalogs are at home. Chuck jxcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > > Would someone please tell me the difference between Avon AV36/AV35 AV40/AV39? > It's not clear from their advertisment in the latest Motorcyclist, so I thought > I would ask the list. > > Thanks. > > John > 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 15:24:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AJOD818550 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9926 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 19:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 19:24:47 -0000 Message-ID: <396A22B3.C5101C46@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:23:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Note from Tracy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just passing this along from the wife. Dale == Could you please pass this on to the list for me? Just wanted to thank Laura (for putting it together) and Michelle (for planning and leading) for a wonderful time on Saturday. It was really nice to have such a relaxing ride where I felt I was actually contributing to the conversation rather than just sitting around listening and not actually knowing what was being talked about. I was wondering how the actual meeting of each would go. You know how most other rides go - walking around looking at each other's bike and discussion on how they tinkered with this and that. It was a nice change to just talk about protective gear and such without going into technical detail about the mechanics of the each other's bike. Thanks for the ride - I would definitely like to go again. What impressed me the most was the way the "rules" of the ride were handled - first time for me. Sometimes these rules go unmentioned thinking everyone just automatically knows what's what. It was nice to know ahead of time who was going to be doing what and in what order we'd be riding and why. It was nice to go over the signals and such. I think too much has been taken for granted in past group rides I was a part of. I think these type of things can never be mentioned during a group ride too much. There are a lot of people who don't know how to ride in groups safely. Again, it was great meeting Sally, Michelle (Triump), Michelle (VStar), Laura and Lisa. Hope we can get together again sometime soon. Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin '99 Kawasaki Concours - GPNEHI COG#3104A From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AK0h819253 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07020 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA02351 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000710200033.4284.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:00:33 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Airborne radar To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw this on I-95 over the weekend. Even signs indicating speed enforcement from the air. Does this piss off anyone as much as it does me? Is this worth the money they are spending to perform said enforcement? Time to write some nasty letters I think. Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > I was looking back through old Times issues and > found this: > > http://www.washtimes.com/metro/default-2000630231751.htm > > VA can now catch speeding drivers from the air. I > wondered what the white > stripes on 66 were for. Surprised they had to pass > a law to make it > legal. I'll just slow down between the stripes ;-) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:01:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AK1e819263 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7623 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 20:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 20:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <396A2B79.9872DEB5@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: DC MotoTourist advice sought Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, need some suggestions. I've got a friend, George Garratt, flying in from London this weekend for the Concours Owner's Group National Rally. He's already got an '86 Connie lined up to ride, and wants to do the tourist thing down by the Mall (Air&Space, Capitol, White House, Monument, Big Abe, etc.). Now I was planning on taking a day off (Tuesday most likely) and showing him some local roads, (and possibly a guest appearance at BikeNight 3!!) but I don't have another day to burn to play tour-guide in DC. But I don't wanna just turn him loose in the big bad city, either. Anyway, I normally suggest to tourists to park and take the Metro in (Blue line specifically) but since he'll be on a bike (and it's cosmetically challenged enough to be more or less safe in the 'Hood) and comfortable with metro traffic issues, I was wondering how viable it would be to ride in and try to park somewhere around the Mall with a motorcycle on a Monday morning? Any moto-friendly parking garages/ spaces still available by late morning? Or am I totally dreaming? If not, I'll advise him to park it at Springfield and take the Metro Blue line in. Suggestions/Comments? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:23:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AKNV819631 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007102023.e6AKNV819631@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.f7.b87a03 (5714) for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:21 -0400 Date: Mon Jul 10 16:23:21 2000 From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: commuters? To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be around until the end of August. I've been commuting everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the road and was wondering how many people commute on their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some better routes to get from A to B (right now i take 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth a shot). tony 99 superhawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:41:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AKfD819916 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05699; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071016410270:4639 ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <396A3558.EC84504A@mitretek.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:43:04 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: commuters? References: <200007102023.e6AKNV819631@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/10/2000 04:41:05 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/10/2000 04:41:06 PM, Serialize complete at 07/10/2000 04:41:06 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Too bad you're not staying past August! I live in Arlington (about 3 miles from the pentagon), and my roommate is moving out in August to go to grad school at Clemson... I'm bummed to see him go and am looking for a new roommie (2 bed, 1 bath apt).... if you know of anyone else who's looking for a place, let me know, will ya? Thanks. Traffic does pretty much blow, but I've found that the traffic patterns are pretty predictable as far as good/bad times and routes. I know of a few people who commute on their bikes daily, and I usually just do it on Fridays (that whole jeans vs. dress thing). Also, you might want to try taking Clara Barton Pkwy instead of GW Pkwy... I'd have to look at a map to remind myself how to do it, but you can take the Pkwy to MacArthur Blvd, to Reservoir Rd (I think???) into G'town, and then take the Key Bridge across to VA, or the Whitehurst Freeway further along the river.... don't know if I helped you any, or made things more confusing. :-) -Kristina '98 Nighthawk 750 Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be around until the end of August. I've been commuting everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the road and was wondering how many people commute on their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some better routes to get from A to B (right now i take 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:44:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AKiv820032 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AKikj26119; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: <396A3420.41DD87C7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:37:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: commuters? References: <200007102023.e6AKNV819631@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I commute via scoot weather permitting. Don't do rain. You think our drivers blow goats now, wait until you see them drive (aim?) in rain. I rate rainfalls 1 thru 6, the number relating to the number of cage crashes per mile. Bill `93 FLHS - 1st place, annual Carolina grubby bike contest `89 4WD Dakota - nasty weather road warrior Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be around until the end of August. I've been commuting everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the road and was wondering how many people commute on their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some better routes to get from A to B (right now i take 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 17:13:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ALD1820563 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id RAA19427 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000710171850.007a01d0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:18:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Mark Kitchell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Holler at me off list if you are still seeking tire help for your VFR. Lisa From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 17:14:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6ALEj820573 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000710211436.17651.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:14:36 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: commuters? To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i commute everyday from falls church to pentagon on my motorcycle via I-66 which happens to be HOV.... so not much traffic for me. --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be > around until the end of August. I've been commuting > everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon > and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston > traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to > this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the > road and was wondering how many people commute on > their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some > better routes to get from A to B (right now i take > 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where > i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the > rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth > a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 21:09:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B198824614 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3959 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2000 01:08:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000711010854.3958.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.208.166.15] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:08:54 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: commuters? To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I live in Dale City, VA and work downtown. I've taken a car to work a few times, the most recent was in 1998. Bethesda to Pentagon would be fun, that goes right through DC, there are no rules there, lane splitting is mostly tolerated. Try Wisconsin Ave to Key Bridge via M Street to GW Parkway, or Wisconsin to Nebraska to Foxhall to the Key Bridge to GW Parkway. If you really want to take the big roads, stay on 495 all the way to I-66, HOV is better than the GW Parkway. Leon. --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be > around until the end of August. I've been commuting > everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon > and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston > traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to > this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the > road and was wondering how many people commute on > their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some > better routes to get from A to B (right now i take > 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where > i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the > rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth > a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 21:23:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B1Nb824927 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-247-184.s184.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.184] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13Bolf-0001dw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:23:23 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:15:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfead5$7a4f1540$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 rom: "Michiko Oishi" There are only few of us... ;) Michiko ------------------------------------------------------ Hi Michiko! Didn't know you were still out here lurking about. Hope you and Todd are getting some good riding in this summer. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 21:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B1XV825109 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-247-184.s184.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.184] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BovR-0003Ic-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:33:30 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Operation rocket roundup Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:25:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bfead6$e381d1a0$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:14:33 -0700 From: Dale Horstman Mike T wrote: > > I thought it was funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in > excess of 180 MPH! Heh. Gee, I sure hope they can distinguish the differences between a GSXR or a CBR and say, a Concours. :( 106 mph in a 55 zone might be a tad bit excessive, but when prevailing traffic often hits or exceeds 80mph on the beltway, it'd be really easy to get caught up in this crap. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth --------------------------------------------------------- Yeah Dale, I was thinking the same thing yesterday riding up the Eastern Shore and hitting MD. I was definitely watching overhead while in Anne Arundal and then on the Beltway. Traffic was easily moving on avg. 80mph. I mean in posted 45mph zones people were cruising on by at around 65mph (seemed that way from my conservative 10mph over in said zones). I don't think I like the whole discriminating attitude the MD police have taken. Has anyone here alerted the AMA about all this? Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 22:13:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3205.mail.yahoo.com (web3205.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B2D4825742 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711021257.4250.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.47.53] by web3205.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:12:57 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: For Sale 99 Ford F250 SD. Excellent Tow Vehicle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The carnage continues: I am sorry to announce that I am selling my 1999 Ford Superduty Supercab 4x4 V10 XLT. Its a helluva truck. XLT package and all the niceties that entails plus: Bed Liner Sliding Rear Window Privacy Glass Roof Clearance Lights CD Player, Premium Sound Package Towing Package w/7 pin harness, 2"ball Limited Slip 3.73 Its pretty much decked, hauls ass, and has big big balls. It has 53k and will easily go another 200. All fluids meticulously maintained, exceeding manufacuters suggestions. Priced fair at $23,000. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 23:09:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B39p826645 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:04 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Protest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6B39v826646 Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket bikes article and the police targeting them? I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. That is the speed limit isn't it????? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 23:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B3Df826724 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18599; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Robert Beatty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds of bikers pulling wheelies from Wash to Balt and Wash to Frederick! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Robert Beatty wrote: > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket bikes article and the police targeting them? > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. That is the speed limit isn't it????? > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 23:22:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B3M0826882 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711032152.28933.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.21] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:21:52 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Motorcycle Parking Denial To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey All- I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. I was in Dewey Beach, DE and stopped by the Starboard Restaurant to visit with some friends before putting the bike away for the evening. The bouncers came out and told my buddies and I that they didn't allow motorcycles to park in the parking lot (even though there were 4 spaces available) "but we could park across the street." There is even a sign that says "No Motorcycles Allowed." Now...I've known Starboard to have the "No Motorcycle" policy for years..but the ownership/management has since changed hands and I thought it might be time find out the NEW Management's policy. The only reason cited by the bouncer was that there are "a lot of drunk drivers pulling in and out of the parking lot and they don't want to be held responsible for anything that happens to the bikes..." Uh...if that was the concern why have a parking lot at all? Are the other vehicles parked there magically spared from being hit? Maybe some of you don't feel strongly about this but I'll tell you it's a pretty humbling experience to have the bouncer staff stand over you while you're pulling your bike back out of your parking space and being escorted off the lot. I would appreciate any information on legal/legislative activity that might correct this discriminatory practice. -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 00:38:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B4ca828024 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gennapc2000 ([24.23.39.3]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000711043833.LVQF26205.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@gennapc2000> for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: <012f01bfeaf1$df270ec0$0300a8c0@gennapc2000> From: "Genna Melamed" To: Subject: Fw: Protest Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:38:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Beatty" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > Subject: Protest > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 07:00:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BB0K805006 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA343837 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396AFE3C.B8DBAF84@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:00:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial References: <20000711032152.28933.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett B wrote: > > Hey All- > > I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the > practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. If it's on Private Property, your crusade will be Quixotic at best. > I was in Dewey Beach, DE Delaware. 'nuff said. The Good ol' boy network is alive & well in America, flourishing in Delaware. and stopped by the Starboard > Restaurant to visit with some friends before putting > the bike away for the evening. The bouncers came out > and told my buddies and I that they didn't allow > motorcycles to park in the parking lot (even though > there were 4 spaces available) "but we could park > across the street." There is even a sign that says > "No Motorcycles Allowed." > > Now...I've known Starboard to have the "No Motorcycle" > policy for years..but the ownership/management has > since changed hands and I thought it might be time > find out the NEW Management's policy. Write them a letter, & ask. Express your repeated patronage, blah blah, blah & see what they say. > > The only reason cited by the bouncer was that there > are "a lot of drunk drivers pulling in and out of the > parking lot and they don't want to be held responsible > for anything that happens to the bikes..." Uh...if > that was the concern why have a parking lot at all? never been there, so I'm not sure what the clientele is. If it's a hillbilly bar, dents give pickups character. If it's a yuppie bar, Lexus drivers all have full coverage, zero deductible insurance. Maybe some idiot dropped a whole row of Harleys & got 'is arse whupped a few years back, who knows. > Are the other vehicles parked there magically spared > from being hit? A stumbling drunk will bounce off your cage, but could knock your precious 2 wheeler on it's side, causing hundreds in damage in some cases... > > Maybe some of you don't feel strongly about this but > I'll tell you it's a pretty humbling experience to > have the bouncer staff stand over you while you're > pulling your bike back out of your parking space and > being escorted off the lot. Take your business elsewhere. > > I would appreciate any information on > legal/legislative activity that might correct this > discriminatory practice. The AMA would know some good suggestions if you want to pursue this. HTH -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 07:37:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmimailg ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BBbU805749 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmimailg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3VAF63AG>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:37:20 -0400 Message-ID: <896B308E481BC245A6A2F26D7074D6DD808C@lmimailg.lmimailg> From: Brian Roberson To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:37:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Been lurking on the list, HI everyone! I was talking to a friend of mine who rides a Kaw ZX9R.. Obviously one of the infamous "Rocket Bikes" .. He told me that about 75 riders over the past week made a trip up to Philadelphia.. All 75 riders spread out over I95 and did 55mph all the way up.. Apparently a few were pulled over and cited with going under the speed limit.. What a joke. I guess they asked for it! Anyone here involved?? (sign me up for the next ride!) Brian 81 Honda CB 750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:19:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (MH1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCJo806902 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:17:33 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:19:17 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:19:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) If that really happened to some of the guys on the way to Philly it sucks, but I was on I95 this weekend and witnessed many of the riders on the way to Philly and that's not what I saw. I'll admit that I may have seen a couple of bikes at or below the speed limit, but the majority of the riders I saw were in groups of 10-15, there was even one group of 32 (my daughter counted and thought it was pretty cool) who were doing 85-90 weaving in and out of traffic the entire time. The worst part was that there was absolutely no method to their madness of riding. They would zoom up to a group of cars and then they would just split up and some would go left, some would go right and others would just go between the cars, it was total chaos. From what I saw any of these guys who got tickets deserved them. I was really shocked to not see a bike down on the road somewhere. I even saw a couple of packs (10-15 riders) that were pulled over by the cops and then 10-15 minutes later the same bikes came blasting by weaving in and out of the cars again. The best part of these riders being on the road is that since the cops were so busy pulling them over, I was able to cut about 45 minutes off my normal trip to NJ. I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out of traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of traffic should be busted as well. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roberson [SMTP:BRoberson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:37 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: In response to Protest thread > > Been lurking on the list, HI everyone! > > I was talking to a friend of mine who rides a Kaw ZX9R.. Obviously one of > the infamous "Rocket Bikes" .. He told me that about 75 riders over the > past > week made a trip up to Philadelphia.. All 75 riders spread out over I95 > and > did 55mph all the way up.. Apparently a few were pulled over and cited > with > going under the speed limit.. What a joke. I guess they asked for it! > Anyone here involved?? > > (sign me up for the next ride!) > > Brian > 81 Honda CB 750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:27:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BCRP807066 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711122717.2523.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:27:17 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I say set it up. I'll join in! Glenn > > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the > way around.... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in > response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I > can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 > or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:29:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCT1807077 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA352829 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:28:52 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Burger, Donald" wrote: ... > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out of > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > traffic should be busted as well. maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane discipline were enforced... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:35:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmimailg ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCZC807238 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmimailg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3VAF63A2>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <896B308E481BC245A6A2F26D7074D6DD808D@lmimailg.lmimailg> From: Brian Roberson To: "'\"Burger Donald\" at INTERNET'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:35:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree... These guys do give most riders a bad name... >From what I gather most of these guys would run from the cops given a chance.. Im sure there was a lot of squidness going around. Brian -----Original Message----- From: "Burger Donald" at INTERNET Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:19 AM To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" at INTERNET Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread If that really happened to some of the guys on the way to Philly it sucks, but I was on I95 this weekend and witnessed many of the riders on the way to Philly and that's not what I saw. I'll admit that I may have seen a couple of bikes at or below the speed limit, but the majority of the riders I saw were in groups of 10-15, there was even one group of 32 (my daughter counted and thought it was pretty cool) who were doing 85-90 weaving in and out of traffic the entire time. The worst part was that there was absolutely no method to their madness of riding. They would zoom up to a group of cars and then they would just split up and some would go left, some would go right and others would just go between the cars, it was total chaos. From what I saw any of these guys who got tickets deserved them. I was really shocked to not see a bike down on the road somewhere. I even saw a couple of packs (10-15 riders) that were pulled over by the cops and then 10-15 minutes later the same bikes came blasting by weaving in and out of the cars again. The best part of these riders being on the road is that since the cops were so busy pulling them over, I was able to cut about 45 minutes off my normal trip to NJ. I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out of traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of traffic should be busted as well. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roberson [SMTP:BRoberson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:37 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: In response to Protest thread > > Been lurking on the list, HI everyone! > > I was talking to a friend of mine who rides a Kaw ZX9R.. Obviously one of > the infamous "Rocket Bikes" .. He told me that about 75 riders over the > past > week made a trip up to Philadelphia.. All 75 riders spread out over I95 > and > did 55mph all the way up.. Apparently a few were pulled over and cited > with > going under the speed limit.. What a joke. I guess they asked for it! > Anyone here involved?? > > (sign me up for the next ride!) > > Brian > 81 Honda CB 750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:40:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BCem807269 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711124041.9588.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:40:41 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dave Yates Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the signs that say "slower traffic keep right". I'd say its my biggest pet peeve. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of > traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:47:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (MH1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BClm807558 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:44:45 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:46:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:46:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be an excellent idea, unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that up in NJ a couple of years ago and it was wonderful. It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I got a ticket, I was in the left lane and I was going the speed limit." Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:29 AM > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > ... > > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out > of > > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > > traffic should be busted as well. > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... > > > -- > > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:56:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCuM807665 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13BzZP-0006Vv-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:55:27 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05DXA; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:48:11 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Burger, Donald" , Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:57:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Are you sure it is actually a law in VA? Everyone seems to drive every which way in whatever lane they chose. I hate it. -----Original Message----- From: Burger, Donald [mailto:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:46 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be an excellent idea, unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that up in NJ a couple of years ago and it was wonderful. It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I got a ticket, I was in the left lane and I was going the speed limit." Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:29 AM > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > ... > > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out > of > > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > > traffic should be busted as well. > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... > > > -- > > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:01:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BD1S807825 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA347713 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B1AA1.D4D63126@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711124041.9588.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing > up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as > traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the > signs that say "slower traffic keep right". pretty tired... > I'd say its my biggest pet peeve. Nah, much as they irritate me, I'd say 1: Cell phone yakkers / drivers. 2: Left lane Hogs. 3: the idiots that won't let the PG county cops over into the left lane of the beltway so they can be on their way. Instead, they just park it there until they get tired of the cop tailgating them... 4: Open Pipe bikes of ALL makes. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:07:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BD79807909 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:06:25 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Burger, Donald" wrote: > Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be > an excellent idea, > unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that > up in NJ a couple of > years ago and it was wonderful. > > It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I > got a ticket, I was in > the left lane and I was going the speed limit." > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the left lanes!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BDES808029 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01477; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:12:41 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029616; Tue, 11 Jul 00 09:11:14 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ00IAGBE3BC@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00486E7F ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:11:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:10:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial To: Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <85256919.004865C0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I had the same thing happen a year or so ago. The story I got was that they had trouble a few years back with outlaw gangs, and now have a no motorcycles policy. They actually were very nice about it, and the bouncer led me to a spot on the side of the building, the no bikes policy just pertained to out front. Didn't make sense to me, but it is private property. If they want to loose the business that M/Cs can bring, that is their perogative. --chris Dave Yates on 07/11/2000 07:00:12 AM To: cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial Corbett B wrote: > > Hey All- > > I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the > practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. If it's on Private Property, your crusade will be Quixotic at best. > I was in Dewey Beach, DE Delaware. 'nuff said. The Good ol' boy network is alive & well in America, flourishing in Delaware. and stopped by the Starboard > Restaurant to visit with some friends before putting > the bike away for the evening. The bouncers came out > and told my buddies and I that they didn't allow > motorcycles to park in the parking lot (even though > there were 4 spaces available) "but we could park > across the street." There is even a sign that says > "No Motorcycles Allowed." > > Now...I've known Starboard to have the "No Motorcycle" > policy for years..but the ownership/management has > since changed hands and I thought it might be time > find out the NEW Management's policy. Write them a letter, & ask. Express your repeated patronage, blah blah, blah & see what they say. > > The only reason cited by the bouncer was that there > are "a lot of drunk drivers pulling in and out of the > parking lot and they don't want to be held responsible > for anything that happens to the bikes..." Uh...if > that was the concern why have a parking lot at all? never been there, so I'm not sure what the clientele is. If it's a hillbilly bar, dents give pickups character. If it's a yuppie bar, Lexus drivers all have full coverage, zero deductible insurance. Maybe some idiot dropped a whole row of Harleys & got 'is arse whupped a few years back, who knows. > Are the other vehicles parked there magically spared > from being hit? A stumbling drunk will bounce off your cage, but could knock your precious 2 wheeler on it's side, causing hundreds in damage in some cases... > > Maybe some of you don't feel strongly about this but > I'll tell you it's a pretty humbling experience to > have the bouncer staff stand over you while you're > pulling your bike back out of your parking space and > being escorted off the lot. Take your business elsewhere. > > I would appreciate any information on > legal/legislative activity that might correct this > discriminatory practice. The AMA would know some good suggestions if you want to pursue this. HTH -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDEw808047 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA21944; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:12:23 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000711091411.0074c8a0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:14:11 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <396AFE3C.B8DBAF84@radix.net> References: <20000711032152.28933.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:00 AM 7/11/00 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Corbett B wrote: >> >> Hey All- >> >> I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the >> practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. The AMA has taken on a lot of "no motorcycle" policies over the years. Check out their web site and see if they have any info. Better yet, join the AMA and ask them for suggestions. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:20:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BDKT808209 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA10773; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:20:02 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008407; Tue, 11 Jul 00 09:17:58 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ00J2SBPFWM@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00490E27 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:17:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:17:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Fw: Protest To: Genna Melamed Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.00490B84.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Or you could just do it on the MD side, where the "crackdown" is occuring. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Fw: Protest Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:28:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDSb808315 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28161; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B2138.5B3A3876@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:29:28 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Genna Melamed , Balt-Cycles-l CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest References: <012f01bfeaf1$df270ec0$0300a8c0@gennapc2000> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Genna, I think that since it Maryland State Police pulling this atrocity, with their Operation Rocket Roundup, we should protest by blocking 695. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:47:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BDlt808654 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16688 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 13:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 13:48:12 -0000 Message-ID: <396B2566.C7E79F6D@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:47:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: Robert Beatty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morris Berman wrote: > > I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds of bikers pulling wheelies > from Wash to Balt and Wash to Frederick! :-) Morris, I guess I need more practice. I don't think I can hold a wheelie that long on the Connie. :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:52:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resi3.resiusa.org (resi3.resiusa.org [216.88.44.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDqQ808761 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by resi3.resiusa.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3WASK1TZ>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:22 -0400 Message-ID: <83592CA59A97D31198DB00105AE56E604B9A38@resi3.resiusa.org> From: Genna Melamed To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, but it's not done on 695, it's mostly done on 95 and 270 and rt50. The reason I think 495 is better then either is because it carries a lot more local traffic. Best thing IMHO is to go from GW Pkwy interchange to like RT50 interchange at 55mph (or about 50...this is still LEGAL in MD) with 10-15 bikes and maybe a car with a banner or something to let everyone see why we are doing that. And while I would love to do this in rush hour, I think it's better not, since this would be too annoying for everyone not involved and can backfire. Sometime during the day would be cool. I'd even inform news and police about it. So they know!!!. The only requirement would be an ABSOLUTELY legal motorcycles with licenses, blinkers, plates etc... ******************************************* Genna Melamed gmelamed@XXXXXX (410) 830-6279 Web Developer InfoPro, Silver Spring, MD RESI, Towson, MD ******************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:29 AM To: Genna Melamed; Balt-Cycles-l Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Genna, I think that since it Maryland State Police pulling this atrocity, with their Operation Rocket Roundup, we should protest by blocking 695. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:55:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resi3.resiusa.org (resi3.resiusa.org [216.88.44.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDtj808792 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by resi3.resiusa.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3WASK1T5>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:55:38 -0400 Message-ID: <83592CA59A97D31198DB00105AE56E604B9A39@resi3.resiusa.org> From: Genna Melamed To: Genna Melamed , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:55:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, just a thought, 10-15 bikes would be enough to block 4 lanes, but the more the better, something like 50 would provide much more visibility in the media ******************************************* Genna Melamed gmelamed@XXXXXX (410) 830-6279 Web Developer InfoPro, Silver Spring, MD RESI, Towson, MD ******************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Genna Melamed Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:52 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Yeah, but it's not done on 695, it's mostly done on 95 and 270 and rt50. The reason I think 495 is better then either is because it carries a lot more local traffic. Best thing IMHO is to go from GW Pkwy interchange to like RT50 interchange at 55mph (or about 50...this is still LEGAL in MD) with 10-15 bikes and maybe a car with a banner or something to let everyone see why we are doing that. And while I would love to do this in rush hour, I think it's better not, since this would be too annoying for everyone not involved and can backfire. Sometime during the day would be cool. I'd even inform news and police about it. So they know!!!. The only requirement would be an ABSOLUTELY legal motorcycles with licenses, blinkers, plates etc... ******************************************* Genna Melamed gmelamed@XXXXXX (410) 830-6279 Web Developer InfoPro, Silver Spring, MD RESI, Towson, MD ******************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:29 AM To: Genna Melamed; Balt-Cycles-l Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Genna, I think that since it Maryland State Police pulling this atrocity, with their Operation Rocket Roundup, we should protest by blocking 695. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:56:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDuP808804 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23632; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Dale Horstman cc: Robert Beatty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest In-Reply-To: <396B2566.C7E79F6D@flashmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dale, Of course you can, just bungee net a few bags of concrete onto your top rack and then you'll be all set. Just be sure that you wrap in duct tape so that you don't wear out your tread with all the extra weight! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > Morris Berman wrote: > > > > I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds of bikers pulling wheelies > > from Wash to Balt and Wash to Frederick! :-) > > Morris, > > I guess I need more practice. I don't think I can hold a wheelie > that long on the Connie. :) > > Hork > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 10:03:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BE3D808984 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007111403.e6BE3D808984@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id n.79.6a3c2ab (5710); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:02:51 -0400 Date: Tue Jul 11 10:02:51 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest To: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like the start of something. You guys volunteering to organize this? Scooter In a message dated Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Genna Melamed" writes: << Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Beatty" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > Subject: Protest > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 10:22:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3105.mail.yahoo.com (web3105.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BEM1809349 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711142135.26434.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:21:35 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I would appreciate any information on > > legal/legislative activity that might correct this > > discriminatory practice. I don't get how it can be legal for anyone to ask someone to remove a bike or anything for that matter from a buisness. yes it might be on privet property, but you are still required to have handicap spaces. I don't see how they can say anything to you unless you where doing something wrong or disturbing other people as it is open to the public. just my two and a half cents. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 10:30:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BEUY809522 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNTNH>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Burger, Donald [mailto:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:46 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be an excellent idea, unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that up in NJ a couple of years ago and it was wonderful. It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I got a ticket, I was in the left lane and I was going the speed limit." Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:29 AM > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > ... > > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out > of > > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > > traffic should be busted as well. > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... > > > -- > > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:05:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BF5P810082 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQixjw06772 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:05:23 GMT Received: from usashexims02.corp.us.uu.net by ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.204.193]) id QQixjw13987 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:13 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3RX9TNRW>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:03:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Girls" ride... Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:03:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Laura, Lisa, Michele, Michelle, Tracy: It was great meeting and riding with you all on Saturday! Thanks for all your input and guidance and for being patient with may stall (why yes, Sally...there's really something to starting out in first gear!!). ;) Appreciate the emphasis on safety and organization. You all are top notch!! Sally '98 GS500E From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:15:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFEw810192 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22849 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 15:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 15:15:13 -0000 Message-ID: <396B39C9.66D238E2@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:14:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... Tracy and I were in the cage (yuck!) the other night, and talking about this very thing. I said the cops needed to enforce the "Keep Right except to Pass" laws on the books - Tracy told me there was no such law. Just then, I pointed out to her a "Slower Traffic Keep Right" traffic sign on I-95. She was genuinely surprised. It just doesn't register to people anymore. The NRA may be right. If we'd enforce existing laws instead of always writing up new ones, life would be much better. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:19:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFJ5810271 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26931 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 15:19:23 -0000 Message-ID: <396B3AC4.D5310576@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:18:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Dave Yates , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711124041.9588.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing > up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as > traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the > signs that say "slower traffic keep right". I'd say > its my biggest pet peeve. Yep, it's one of mine, too. I'd really like to see cops enforcing laws against tailgating, excessive lane changing, not signalling lane changes, and left-lane hogging rather than concentrating almost entirely on outright speed. They could still keep their revenue from ticket writing up, and really do wonders to the flow of traffic. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:37:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFbS810653 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10653 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 15:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 15:37:44 -0000 Message-ID: <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:36:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > left lanes!! And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding road designers around here for years... If only I were in charge.... Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:40:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFeB810671 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13C28i-0006iX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:40:05 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:45:19 GMT Message-ID: <396b69ca.119439641@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BFeC810672 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:57:02 -0500, you wrote: |>Are you sure it is actually a law in VA? Everyone seems to drive every which |>way in whatever lane they chose. I hate it. and when cars do the lane veering, is when two cars collide and someone gets killed tying up the beltway.. like that 19 or 20 year old programmer/ college student who killed someone last week. witnesses reported him speeding and going in and out of lanes, but his father was on tv saying "my son doesn't feel like his driving was negliable.. and he's in his room devistated that someone died". I guess it was just a conspiracy by witnesses who were there yet never met before and dont know each other or the drivers involved. Those are the sneaky conspiracy groups that you have to watch out for. I can't wait for the future when motorcycles can be equipped with cameras, witness & record crazy driving, and bike owners can turn the tape over to the cops for ticket enforcement. I'm living about 2000 years ahead of when i'd like to be living. I need to be living in a world where robots do all the work and people ride all day on perfect roads! hehe From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:42:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFgF810745 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13C2An-00076T-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:42:13 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Matthew Ehlert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:47:28 GMT Message-ID: <396c6b5c.119842526@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BFgG810746 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:06:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>--- "Burger, Donald" |>wrote: |>> Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be |>> an excellent idea, |>> unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that |>> up in NJ a couple of |>> years ago and it was wonderful. |>> |>> It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I |>> got a ticket, I was in |>> the left lane and I was going the speed limit." |>> |> |>It doesn't help that in northern virginia the |>brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the |>left lanes!! same thing for 295, and also on 495 heading into montgomery county there is a left lane merge area. also those sharp turn U shaped exit ramps weren't too smart either.. they are fun as hell on a bike.. but when ti's wet.. cars and more cars go off the road. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:46:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFkH810842 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.203]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02004 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B6CB2.A4C0AC2C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:51:30 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: "Girls" ride... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like the rest of us could learn a thing or two from the girlz! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles "Wood, Sally" wrote: > > Laura, Lisa, Michele, Michelle, Tracy: > > It was great meeting and riding with you all on Saturday! Thanks for all > your input and guidance and for being patient with may stall (why yes, > Sally...there's really something to starting out in first gear!!). ;) > Appreciate the emphasis on safety and organization. You all are top notch!! > > Sally > '98 GS500E From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:54:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFs5810961 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09660; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071111534407:9951 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <396B4375.BB050E60@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:55:34 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Dave Yates , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Move it right References: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> <396B39C9.66D238E2@flashmail.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:53:45 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:53:46 AM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 11:53:46 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a suggestion than a law. You'll notice only certain stretches of I-95 have the signs for trucks to stay in the right lanes only. It's kinda like lowering the speed limits within the high density/urban areas. There's (unfortunately) no actual law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, they put it there to remind the blue-hairs (and stupid people) to move it right... But I do agree that it SHOULD be a law. I wonder how NJ's law came into effect? -Kristina '98 Nighthawk 750 Dale Horstman wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > > discipline were enforced... > > Tracy and I were in the cage (yuck!) the other night, and talking about > this very thing. I said the cops needed to enforce the "Keep Right except > to Pass" laws on the books - Tracy told me there was no such law. Just > then, I pointed out to her a "Slower Traffic Keep Right" traffic sign > on I-95. She was genuinely surprised. It just doesn't register to > people anymore. > > The NRA may be right. If we'd enforce existing laws instead of always > writing up new ones, life would be much better. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFuZ810982 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA20927; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:55:58 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016254; Tue, 11 Jul 00 11:52:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ00415IV1GO@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00573488 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:52:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:48:40 -0400 Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.0056EDCC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL But they don't have radar/lasar guns that track illegal lane changes. Technology has made catching (and proving) speeding a virtual slam dunk for police. Many people have unfortunately accepted speeding tickets as the norm and no longer fight them in court. But hand someone an illegal lane change ticket and they would most likely show up to fight it. I agree with you that it would be much better if the enforcement turned away from speeding to "dangerous" types of driving, but I don't think the police will go for it given the ease at which they can pass out speeding tickets. All we are going to end up with is the occasional Operation Roadshark or Rocket Roundup that is as much for publicity as anything else. --chris To: dysart@XXXXXX cc: Dave Yates "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing > up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as > traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the > signs that say "slower traffic keep right". I'd say > its my biggest pet peeve. Yep, it's one of mine, too. I'd really like to see cops enforcing laws against tailgating, excessive lane changing, not signalling lane changes, and left-lane hogging rather than concentrating almost entirely on outright speed. They could still keep their revenue from ticket writing up, and really do wonders to the flow of traffic. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFwl811080 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09852; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071111583296:9979 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <396B449D.B6F4F5A@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:00:29 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396b69ca.119439641@smtp.erols.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:58:36 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:58:37 AM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 11:58:37 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > and when cars do the lane veering, is when two cars collide and > someone gets killed tying up the beltway.. like that 19 or 20 year old > programmer/ college student who killed someone last week. > > witnesses reported him speeding and going in and out of lanes, but his > father was on tv saying "my son doesn't feel like his driving was > negliable.. and he's in his room devistated that someone died". OK, so maybe I have a vendetta against SUV's, but I'm super curious what exactly he was driving. Does anyone else agree that if you need to get an endorsement to ride a motorcycle, or drive a commercial vehicle, that you should also require some sort of knowledge test (other than your parents having too much money) to drive an oversized, undercontrolled vehicle???... nah, I don't have anything against SUV's...... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BG1R811212 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711160029.28297.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.170] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:00:29 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread To: "Burger, Donald" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Burger, Donald" wrote: > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the > weaving in and out of > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket > bike" riders a bad > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that > weave in and out of > traffic should be busted as well. I've got a better solution than citing weavers.... Every selfish asshole that insists upon tooling along in either of the left 2 lanes at 70mph or less can get the hell out of the way (by moving to the right, i.e., 'slower traffic keep right') so the rest of the driving population can get past without having to weave. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:03:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BG3E811230 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10041; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071112024942:10012 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:04:56 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 12:02:50 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 12:02:50 PM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 12:02:50 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than anyone else wants to hear, but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the new/expansion Wilson Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) heeheeheee....) Dale Horstman wrote: > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > > left lanes!! > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding > road designers around here for years... > > If only I were in charge.... > > Hork > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:10:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGAs811325 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA403878 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B46FA.9951C364@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396b69ca.119439641@smtp.erols.com> <396B449D.B6F4F5A@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > OK, so maybe I have a vendetta against SUV's, but I'm super curious what exactly > he was driving. Does anyone else agree that if you need to get an endorsement to > ride a motorcycle, or drive a commercial vehicle, that you should also require > some sort of knowledge test (other than your parents having too much money) to > drive an oversized, undercontrolled vehicle???... here here ! AND, they could charge extra for the registration, easing the need to write silly speeding tickets. Sounds like a win/win. nah, I don't have anything against SUV's...... It's not the SUV, it's the driver. & from now on, we should call them a name equal to their menace. Assault vehicles. Just yesterday on the ride home, I had the pleasure of following an assault vehicle piloted by a cell phone yakker for about 5 miles. She just wouldn't move out of the left lane, too busy running her yap to pay attention. I guess she got tired of my headlight... traffic was HEAVY, all I could do was shake my head ruefully. Other than the bird, is there some other 1 hand singal to tell them to SHUT UP AND PAY ATTENTION to the task at hand ??? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGAo811323 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA11000; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:22 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006574; Tue, 11 Jul 00 12:07:12 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ006FMJJIKQ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00588BF9 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:07:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:00:36 -0400 Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dale Horstman Cc: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL My understanding of the bridges issue is that it isn't the road designers, it is the communities and land preservation groups that are blocking them based on urban sprawl. Putting a bridge across the Potomac near Great Falls (to give access from MD to the Dulles Corridor) has been a proposal for years. However, the residents don't want the development to come to their neighborhoods, and I believe the Dulles Toll road has a ve$ted intere$t in keeping people travelling on it's road as well. The one place I will fault the road designers, however, is their antiquated view that the commuting patterns in the DC/MD/VA area are still from the suburbs to the city. How silly is that? We have people commuting ALL over the area from suburb to suburb, and they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery county to alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. Although I have moved to Baltimore, I still have a few clients in the Dulles/Ashburn area, and I firmly believe that the stretch of 495 from the dulles toll road around into MD to the New Hampshire exit is the worst in DC. This is coming from someone who lived in Arlington, Alexandria and Fairfax cty for 10+ years. I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road had not been built? Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to build an outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. --chris To: Matthew Ehlert cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > left lanes!! And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding road designers around here for years... If only I were in charge.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:16:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGG2811487 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BGFrp05947 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > We have people commuting ALL over the area from suburb to suburb, and > they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery county to > alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. Check out this site: http://www.iccyes.org/ for more info on the intercounty connector. There's a town meeting tomorrow... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:17:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGHY811510 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20080 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 16:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 16:18:07 -0000 Message-ID: <396B4874.815980F3@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:16:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? No, and to be honest, it doesn't really matter. What's the environmental impact of 500,000 cars spending an extra 10 minutes idling each day, spewing exhaust gases? Compared to some ducks and fish, big deal... It's not like we can destroy the Potomac River by building bridges across it. I sit and dream about how a bridge between say Dumfries, and Southern Maryland, and a suitable bypass would really ease congestion across the WWB and Beltway. Traffic really sucks in this area because there are so few ways to get from here to there. A couple more bridges would be sweet! > Remember the whole hoopla with the new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? Hell yeah, they spent a million or two trying to decide if they needed another bridge, when the answer was an obvious slam-dunk "Hell Yessss! We need 3 or 4!!!". Taxpayer's money at work -not. I can't understand the current thinking that a big superbridge to replace the WWB will make things any better. Idiots, all of them. > No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. Sadly, I'm afraid you are right. Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:23:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGNv811619 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03128 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000711122027.00cc6a90@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:00 PM 7/11/00 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County >Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road >had not >been built? Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to >build an >outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. I lived here when 66 didn't exist. Talk about a badly needed road. You think 395 is bad now? And as for the worst traffic in the area, I'd have to say that the mixing bowl - especially commuters from 95 S have it the absolute worst. Second to that is 66 inbound in the morning to the beltway. But now DC is becoming LA - commute from suburb to suburb. Soon we will have gridlock in both directions instead of one. I'm just glad I go from Centreville to Reston. Back roads rule. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGOJ811629 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27366 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 16:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > However, the residents don't want the development to come to their neighborhoods, > and I believe the Dulles Toll road has a ve$ted intere$t in keeping people travelling > on it's road as well. We call those folks NIMBY's, short for "Not In My BackYard!" - the rallying cry of the ignorant when any helpful construction is suggested. Vote for the change and move, damnit! :) > I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County > Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road had not > been built? Same deal with the Prince William Parkway. My commute hits both of them, everyday. I shudder to think how long it would take me otherwise. > Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to build an > outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. They are putting in a Southern Bypass, from Dumfries out past Manassas, that connects I-95 and I-66 via a reworked Rt. 234. It's gonna be great when it's finished, but the NIMBYs are still calling it the "Road To Nowhere". They are dead wrong - it's gonna carry lots of traffic (and a bunch of truck traffic) off the Beltway. Stupid short-sighted fools just can't understand why we need more roads.... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:29:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGTH811717 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13C2uD-0000Hh-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:29:09 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05D7L; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:21:52 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "Matthew Ehlert" , Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:30:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Dont you just love the fact that they tie up traffic for 3 years to add ONE lane?? -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:01 AM To: Dale Horstman Cc: Matthew Ehlert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread My understanding of the bridges issue is that it isn't the road designers, it is the communities and land preservation groups that are blocking them based on urban sprawl. Putting a bridge across the Potomac near Great Falls (to give access from MD to the Dulles Corridor) has been a proposal for years. However, the residents don't want the development to come to their neighborhoods, and I believe the Dulles Toll road has a ve$ted intere$t in keeping people travelling on it's road as well. The one place I will fault the road designers, however, is their antiquated view that the commuting patterns in the DC/MD/VA area are still from the suburbs to the city. How silly is that? We have people commuting ALL over the area from suburb to suburb, and they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery county to alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. Although I have moved to Baltimore, I still have a few clients in the Dulles/Ashburn area, and I firmly believe that the stretch of 495 from the dulles toll road around into MD to the New Hampshire exit is the worst in DC. This is coming from someone who lived in Arlington, Alexandria and Fairfax cty for 10+ years. I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road had not been built? Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to build an outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. --chris To: Matthew Ehlert cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > left lanes!! And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding road designers around here for years... If only I were in charge.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGXx811819 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA412600 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B4C6D.8A39F7D0@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:33:49 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> <396B4874.815980F3@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > No, and to be honest, it doesn't really matter. What's the > environmental impact of 500,000 cars spending an extra 10 minutes > idling each day, spewing exhaust gases? Compared to some ducks > and fish, big deal... Besides, who would EAT said ducks or fish anyway ? The Potomac is hideously contaminated... > > It's not like we can destroy the Potomac River by building bridges > across it. I sit and dream about how a bridge between say Dumfries, > and Southern Maryland, and a suitable bypass would really ease > congestion across the WWB and Beltway. Traffic really sucks in this area > because there are so few ways to get from here to there. A couple > more bridges would be sweet! So would less taxes, but it ain't going to happen. > Hell yeah, they spent a million or two trying to decide if they > needed another bridge, when the answer was an obvious slam-dunk > "Hell Yessss! We need 3 or 4!!!". Taxpayer's money at work -not. Greatest job since Weatherman. WW bridge planning committee.... They went to more exotic locations than 'high flyin' Hazel O'leary'... > I can't understand the current thinking that a big superbridge > to replace the WWB will make things any better. Idiots, all of them. > > > No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. > > Sadly, I'm afraid you are right. They better. or there are going to be an awful lot of cars in the river one day... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:38:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGc9811908 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA409292 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B4D68.4FA3C3CC@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > Dont you just love the fact that they tie up traffic for 3 years to add ONE > lane?? What's the deal with that anyway? In WW2, we put bridges up in days & weeks, while being shot at by the enemy ; local construction contractors can't stop scratching their butts for more than 30 minutes at a time... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:48:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGmH812066 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30088 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 16:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 16:48:55 -0000 Message-ID: <396B4FAC.8DB32D8A@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396B4D68.4FA3C3CC@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > local construction contractors > can't stop scratching their butts for more than 30 minutes at a > time... Hey, those butt-scratching breaks are Union-mandated! Do you really want to ride across a bridge put up by a bunch of buys with itchy butts? Not me. :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:56:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGuw812179 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA416905 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B51D1.637771D4@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:49 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396B4D68.4FA3C3CC@radix.net> <396B4FAC.8DB32D8A@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > Hey, those butt-scratching breaks are Union-mandated! Do you > really want to ride across a bridge put up by a bunch of buys > with itchy butts? Not me. :) As your good deed for the day, you should stop next time & scratch for them.... just to help things along ;-) -- 'ducking for cover' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:01:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BH1P812342 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711170117.24448.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:01:17 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Operation RR new twist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel wrote: "You know, when a bike's tail light goes out, from the back, the headlight shining forward doesn't show up too well." Ummm, only if you have some messed up electrical system. Look aat your wiring schematics, the tailight is on a completely seperate fused circuit than the headlights. If anything, I've seen headlights get brighter when the taillight is lost (usually in cases where the battery is getting on the tired side) since there is less overall draw on the charging system. CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:10:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BHAA812424 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711171002.3023.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:02 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Avons To: jxcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John wrote: "Would someone please tell me the difference between Avon AV36/AV35 AV40/AV39?" John, 35/36 is the street compound Azarros (what you most likely want) and the 39/40 is the race compound Azarro Supersport. I swear by the 35/36..... GREAT tires. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:11:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BHAw812434 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:51 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: "Kristina M. Rogish" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii environmental impact - that's becoming more and more regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of countries don't share in this concern. So while we become leader in environmental issues.... other countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge is not a big concern to me but rather other countries participating in environmental issues. While building roads, bridges and creating better designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long term... a fraction of the solution because of all the single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb area. maybe the solution: MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > anyone else wants to hear, > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > not in our lifetime anyway. > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > heeheeheee....) > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > the > > > left lanes!! > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > hard > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > eluding > > road designers around here for years... > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > Hork > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:43:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BHhJ813061 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13C43w-0005w7-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:43:16 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05D8T; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:35:59 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Matthew Ehlert" , "Kristina M. Rogish" Cc: Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:44:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I LIKE that answer!!! -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Ehlert [mailto:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 12:11 PM To: Kristina M. Rogish Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread environmental impact - that's becoming more and more regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of countries don't share in this concern. So while we become leader in environmental issues.... other countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge is not a big concern to me but rather other countries participating in environmental issues. While building roads, bridges and creating better designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long term... a fraction of the solution because of all the single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb area. maybe the solution: MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > anyone else wants to hear, > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > not in our lifetime anyway. > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > heeheeheee....) > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > the > > > left lanes!! > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > hard > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > eluding > > road designers around here for years... > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > Hork > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:05:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BI4x813459 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA08696; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:01:02 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004139; Tue, 11 Jul 00 13:57:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ0041HONDZJ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.0062A2CF ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:57:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:56:08 -0400 Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Incentives, incentives, incentives. Did you follow the news about how fast they got the SF/Oakland freeway built after that huge quake in the late 80s? They incentivized the contractor with extra $$$ to complete it ahead of schedule. Obviously there are additional QC and inspection risks that need to be monitored, but they got a functional bridge in a fraction of the time it takes for construction around here to be completed. BTW, incentivizing a contractor like that does not necessarily equal increased cost. The premise is if you are actually productive for the time it takes to complete the work (at a higher $$$ rate), it will pay off over the long run through the overall reduction in hours worked. Actually, I think the DC area does an above average job in the construction aspect (work mostly at night, roads here are in generally good shape), as compared with other cities. However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange is ludicrous. --chris Dave Yates on 07/11/2000 12:38:01 PM To: cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Michiko Oishi wrote: > > Dont you just love the fact that they tie up traffic for 3 years to add ONE > lane?? What's the deal with that anyway? In WW2, we put bridges up in days & weeks, while being shot at by the enemy ; local construction contractors can't stop scratching their butts for more than 30 minutes at a time... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BI9u813548 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13091 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29371 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA450407 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B62EA.1F8C5A57@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:46 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Actually, I think the DC area does an above average job in the construction > aspect (work mostly at night, roads here are in generally good shape), as > compared with other cities. Personally, I think West Virginia, the Poorest state in the Union does a better job at maintaining their roads than does DC, MD & VA combined. DC has some of the worst pavement conditions in the US, they'd almost be better off with dirt roads in some cases. MD & VA have this stupid habit of tearing up pavement just before the budget for road repairs runs out, leaving stretches of ripped up pavement on major connectors for months on end. However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange > is ludicrous. But par for the course around here... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:29:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BISu813877 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BISA404448 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:28:11 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bfeb65$7a8abc40$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Having grown up in Southern Cal, I was rather surprised at how slow road construction was around here, but then we didn't have to deal with the freezes, either. Still, I do want to put in a compliment when one is deserved and I think the recent repaving on I-66 inside the beltway was top-notch. The surface is smooth and free of seems between each lane where work was done at separate times. The work went quickly and I only had to deal with rain grooves once, the transition back to pavement was a sudden one though, felt like running into a sidewalk :) My .02 on the WWB is that they really do need the 12 lane version, if not more because once the construction is complete, anticipated traffic flow will outgrow the 10 lane version that the local Virginia community is trying to impose. Would seem to be a waste to have to start over as soon as they're done. Whatever is done, has to be done soon though, the report I saw on NBC a few months back showed pieces falling off the understructure whenever trucks went over. May want to have your swim trunks on the next time you cross it ;) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" Actually, I think the DC area does an above average job in the construction aspect (work mostly at night, roads here are in generally good shape), as compared with other cities. However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange is ludicrous. --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:32:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIW7814001 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13C4od-0003qJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:31:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We don't need more roads we need less effing suburbanites! DCs population is declining and it's taking longer and longer to get out of the suburbs and away from the coppers to the good roads. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIZD814100 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16955; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071114350283:11362 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:02 -0400 Message-ID: <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:10 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 02:35:03 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 02:35:04 PM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 02:35:04 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all these damn single-occupancy SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 car lengths, and replace them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! Let's raise the gas tax, to make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy cars burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c driving is so economically inconvenient! And those who DO drive, has small cars which take up less space and make better gas mileage! :-)----Kristina Matthew Ehlert wrote: > environmental impact - that's becoming more and more > regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of > countries don't share in this concern. So while we > become leader in environmental issues.... other > countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge > is not a big concern to me but rather other countries > participating in environmental issues. > > While building roads, bridges and creating better > designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long > term... a fraction of the solution because of all the > single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb > area. > > maybe the solution: > MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > > anyone else wants to hear, > > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > > impact those bridges > > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > > new/expansion Wilson > > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > > not in our lifetime anyway. > > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > > heeheeheee....) > > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > > the > > > > left lanes!! > > > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > > hard > > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > > eluding > > > road designers around here for years... > > > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > > > Hork > > > > > > -- > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > > horkster@XXXXXX > > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIZp814110 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BIZkp10793 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > We don't need more roads we need less effing > suburbanites! DCs population is declining and it's taking > longer and longer to get out of the suburbs and away from > the coppers to the good roads. Yes! Please, if you weren't born here go somewhere else. I've heard good things about Arizona... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIbx814128 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03498 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000711143501.00ccf980@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC Sprawl In-Reply-To: References: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:31 PM 7/11/00 , Hugh Caldwell wrote: > We don't need more roads we need less effing >suburbanites! DCs population is declining and it's taking >longer and longer to get out of the suburbs and away from >the coppers to the good roads. Yeah - there are so many GOOD reasons to move into DC. So many people in the papers pissing and moaning about sprawl. Where do you think those people live? Suburbs....Condos....Townhomes...just like the rest of us.... The two gas stations near work and home have all had their air pumps destroyed. One was ripped out of the ground and hauled away. The other one has a perpetual broken sign on it. Hard to fill the tires with my portable compressor when it is raining every night! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:42:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIgE814207 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03520 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000711143932.00cd2620@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Socialism In-Reply-To: <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> References: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:37 PM 7/11/00 , Kristina M. Rogish wrote: >Let's raise the gas tax, to >make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy >cars >burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND >congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c >driving is so economically inconvenient! You are no longer invited to play in the sandbox. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:46:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIki814288 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007111846.e6BIki814288@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.6c.104d3ef (15863) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:02 -0400 Date: Tue Jul 11 14:46:01 2000 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Subject: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:46:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIkg814286 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007111846.e6BIkg814286@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.42.805fd6e (15865) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:11 -0400 Date: Tue Jul 11 14:46:07 2000 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Subject: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:59:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIx8814460 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13336 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00860 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8271 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 18:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 18:59:16 -0000 Message-ID: <396B6E4D.ADFD0978@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:58:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <396B62EA.1F8C5A57@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > MD & VA have this stupid > habit of tearing up pavement just before the budget for road repairs > runs out, But what better way to get next year's budget approved? A crude but effective technique, I'm guessing. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:00:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJ0R814558 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18257; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071115000028:11628 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <396B6F26.15A30E06@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:01:58 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sprawl & Socialism References: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> <4.2.0.58.20000711143501.00ccf980@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 03:00:05 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 03:00:12 PM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 03:00:12 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > So many people in the papers pissing and moaning about sprawl. Where do > you think those people live? Suburbs....Condos....Townhomes...just like > the rest of us.... > Whatdya mean "us"??? I'm no suburbanite. (probably b/c I am NOT married and do NOT have kids, but... that's beside the point). :-) At 02:37 PM 7/11/00 , Kristina M. Rogish wrote: >>Let's raise the gas tax, to >>make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy >>cars >>burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND >>congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c >>driving is so economically inconvenient! >You are no longer invited to play in the sandbox. Miiiiiiiiiiiii-iiiiiiiiiike! You're hurting my feelings!!!!!!! :~[ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:03:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJ3D814578 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13369 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00958 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA30023 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:11:05 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: <010301bfeb6a$e33c3de0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> Well, if we are going to do this then we might as well make it criminal to go out on a motorcycle just for fun. That too is a total waste of fuel. >From now on you will have to get a hall pass to take the bike from point A to point B and show just cause for doing it! Gary TL1000R FJ1100 Isuzu Rodeo (Yeah baby! Suck that fuel down!) Ford F150 (What the Rodeo doesn't use will be used here!) :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:37 PM > To: Matthew Ehlert > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > > THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all these damn > single-occupancy > SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 car lengths, > and replace > them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! Let's raise the > gas tax, to > make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make > those economy cars > burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping > pollution AND > congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles > to work b/c > driving is so economically inconvenient! And those who DO drive, > has small cars > which take up less space and make better gas mileage! > > :-)----Kristina > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > environmental impact - that's becoming more and more > > regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of > > countries don't share in this concern. So while we > > become leader in environmental issues.... other > > countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge > > is not a big concern to me but rather other countries > > participating in environmental issues. > > > > While building roads, bridges and creating better > > designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long > > term... a fraction of the solution because of all the > > single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb > > area. > > > > maybe the solution: > > MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! > > > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > > > anyone else wants to hear, > > > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > > > impact those bridges > > > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > > > new/expansion Wilson > > > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > > > not in our lifetime anyway. > > > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > > > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > > > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > > > heeheeheee....) > > > > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > > > the > > > > > left lanes!! > > > > > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > > > hard > > > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > > > eluding > > > > road designers around here for years... > > > > > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > > > > > Hork > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > > > horkster@XXXXXX > > > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJ7Q814675 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:06:00 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:14:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 At 02:37 PM 7/11/00 , Kristina M. Rogish wrote: >Let's raise the gas tax, to >make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy >cars My F150 gets 14 MPG, so I guess I'm one step above moron. It also takes up a full 19 feet of roadway in traffic .. ha, take that. If I'm in traffic, I'm taking my share of the road :) Jay St. Peter Work in Silver Spring, live in Silver Spring, commute < 15 minutes. Don't give a crap what you drive, if your commute is longer than mine you cannot complain about my truck. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:15:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJF0814794 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13412 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA01340 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711191450.25320.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:14:50 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dave Yates , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Personally, I think West Virginia, the Poorest state in the Union does > a better job at maintaining their roads than does DC, MD & VA combined. well I don't know about that, 340 through Harpers Ferry up until a few years ago was horrible. though they did make it nice and smooth now. >leaving stretches of ripped up pavement on major connectors > for months on end. yep, rt 40 through Frederick, the golden mile, is STILL torn up after something like 3 months and no sign of doing anything lately. I'm glad I'm moving so I don't have to ride it every day. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJnY815443 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNT55>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:48:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since we're talking recreation, is there any DC-Cycles-related softball activity going on? Would appreciate off-list guidance! Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX [mailto:EmergeOut@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKW3816226 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.1e.7d08c1b (3700) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:31:45 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.7d08c1b.269cde31@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:31:45 EDT Subject: Re: Move it right To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BKWM816227 In a message dated 7/11/00 11:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, krogish@XXXXXX writes: > I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a > suggestion > There's (unfortunately) no actual > law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, Here's the law in VA and a link. -Fred Grefe http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-804 M-' 46.2-804 Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: 1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving traffic as permitted in this section; From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:38:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKcH816323 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.66.56dad3e (4333) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:38:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:38:04 EDT Subject: Mass Transit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Speaking as one who used mass transit for a few years due to not being able to afford a car (and having my bike forget to oil it's front cam on the toll rd one day...), the reason people don't use it much here is that IT SUCKS. The buses don't run often enough, to/from many areas, on time, or late enough in the evenings. The metro is a joke in that it's only good if you're going in or out of DC, not across, and again - it doesn't run often enough or late enough into the evening. In Europe, people don't necessarily use the transit system because they can't afford to drive - they use it because it frigging works and is a very viable alternative to sitting in traffic - if you think the population density here is high, look at any industrial european nation - it's higher. Many many people packed into small places. Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. Anyway... my $.02 rant. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:44:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKiP816410 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.94.6f8b284 (4544) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.6f8b284.269ce11e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:44:14 EDT Subject: Intercounty Connector To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/11/00 12:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << and > they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery County to > alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. >> Actually, the reason the inter county connector has not passed is because of us, the public. The inter county connector is a key plank in the political platform of one political party and opposed by the other party. The last Maryland Governors race held that as an issue, and I believe Md went for the party opposed to the connector. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:50:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKon816582 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-09.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.137]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04826; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396BB413.C650CA64@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:03 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I knew you were a friggin' Socialist! You're not fooling anybody! %^) BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS > excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next > year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund > some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKqX816592 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13C70y-0005VE-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:52:24 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J051D8; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:45:07 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: , Subject: RE: Move it right Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1e.7d08c1b.269cde31@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 obviously that rule works well, doesn't it? -----Original Message----- From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [mailto:FGrefe@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Move it right In a message dated 7/11/00 11:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, krogish@XXXXXX writes: > I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a > suggestion > There's (unfortunately) no actual > law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, Here's the law in VA and a link. -Fred Grefe http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-804 M-' 46.2-804 Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: 1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving traffic as permitted in this section; From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKuZ816631 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03935; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000711165504.00a06f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:57:19 -0400 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ...and supposedly the reason for our sucky mass transit is because when funds were being decided upon for mass transit way back when, before we had our national road system, our leaders/country, etc. decided they wanted more roads. You know, the American love affair with the car? Hence, the concentration on roads rather than mass transit. No judgments from me, that's just the way it is. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 '00 Dodge Dakota http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 04:38 PM 7/11/00 -0400, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > >Speaking as one who used mass transit for a few years due to not being able >to afford a car (and having my bike forget to oil it's front cam on the toll >rd one day...), >the reason people don't use it much here is that IT SUCKS. > >The buses don't run often enough, to/from many areas, on time, or late enough >in the evenings. The metro is a joke in that it's only good if you're going >in or out of DC, not across, and again - it doesn't run often enough or late >enough into the evening. > >In Europe, people don't necessarily use the transit system because they can't >afford to drive - they use it because it frigging works and is a very viable >alternative to sitting in traffic - if you think the population density here >is high, look at any industrial european nation - it's higher. Many many >people packed into small places. >Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS >excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next >year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund >some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. > >Anyway... my $.02 rant. >- Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:00:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL08816809 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.75.6af9247 (4333); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:59:54 EDT Subject: Re: Mass Transit To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/11/00 4:52:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I knew you were a friggin' Socialist! You're not fooling anybody! %^) BUZZZZZZ!!! For our parting contestents today we have the home version of jeopardy... C'mon, I'm a full on capitalist, through and through (and even exhibit some republican tendancies from time to time...) - you should know that by now! I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:06:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL6d816916 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BL6Ym26383 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30769 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:06:51 -0000 Message-ID: <396B8C34.2C0A5617@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:05:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <4.1.20000711165504.00a06f00@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > You know, the American love affair with the car? Hence, the > concentration on roads rather than mass transit. And a good thing, too. Pave the Planet! We want more roads. Make 'em nice, and scenic, and twisty, yeah. A Dragon in everyone's backyard, woohoo! Did I ever tell you that Al Gore and I don't get along very well? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:09:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL9S816934 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BL9Qm26627 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14415 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:09:58 -0000 Message-ID: <396B8CE3.87161983@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:08:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michiko Oishi CC: FGrefe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Move it right References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > obviously that rule works well, doesn't it? > It all boils down to selective enforcement by the police and local governments. Not to stray too far off topic, but the NRA is right - this nation has more than enough gun laws. We are (collectively) just doing a miserable job enforcing the existing laws. Same deal with traffic laws. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:09:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL9d816944 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 8.1e.7cfe0cb (4333); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.7cfe0cb.269ce69a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:07:38 EDT Subject: Re: Mass Transit To: jzell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/11/00 4:58:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: > ...and supposedly the reason for our sucky mass transit is because when > funds were being decided upon for mass transit way back when, before we had > our national road system, our leaders/country, etc. decided they wanted > more roads. You know, the American love affair with the car? Hence, the > concentration on roads rather than mass transit. Right, and now it's a vicious circle situation because they say "We can't justify spending more money on mass transit planning because Americans would rather drive", even though the real truth is that we don't necessarily want to, we HAVE to because mass transit is not a viable alternative in most cases. The latest SNAFU in this regard is the move to keep the metro open until 2am on the weekends. Whatever politician who's pet project funding was threatened by this opposed it saying no one would use it, and in the end a compromise was reached... keep it open 'till 1am as a trial. Guess what? No one will use it - last call is at 1:30am and people go home AFTER that. ::GRRRR::: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:11:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLBE816957 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BLB8m27041 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16548 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:11:40 -0000 Message-ID: <396B8D4A.49F2E20E@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:10:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. I don't know, this kind of works for me.... :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:19:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLJO817145 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:18:29 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: , Subject: Re: Mass Transit Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:26:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 @aol.com wrote: > > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. I don't know, this kind of works for me.... :) Hork -- Yeah, I have to agree. I think Chuck was right, Roach IS a Socialist. :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:19:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLJc817155 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13020; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B8FA3.2167BABB@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:20:35 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Fw: Protest References: <85256919.006B176B.00@macmdpt.filterite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mprediger@XXXXXX wrote: > I've heard of this "obstructing traffic" violation....and all I can say > is...."Yeah right!!". I wish I would get pulled over for this....the hassle to > take it to court would be well worth it just to see the dumbfounded look on the > judges face when he finds out the ticket was issued for driving at or under the > maximum speed limit. If they are truly upholding this law, they should be > citing hundreds of people every day who sit in the passing lane doing 55 mph > during rush hour. I drive Rt. 83 North home from Timonium every day and this > type of driver is rampant!! Besides...it won't really matter...if we get enough > people and enough bikes, we can afford to have someone pulled over now and then > since there will be someone else to take their place in line and not disrupt the > "Drive for Freedom".....If we were to pull this off.....someone should contact > the local radio stations to let them know what is going on....then I'm sure we > could make the news so people would know exactly WHY we did it.... If this protest comes together, I'll contact the media. I think it would make national news if we were to block portions of I-95. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:24:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLOC817262 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BLOAm28179 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29126 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:24:42 -0000 Message-ID: <396B9058.1D44F94B@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:23:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Ratbike for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 for sale. Around 13,000 miles, ran last summer, needs some work. Missing sidecover, seat has a small tear, aftermarket pipes, broken return spring on the kickstart lever (electric start is ok). Comes with backrest/luggage rack and big honkin' crashbar up front. Would make a nice city bike or a real cheap learner bike for someone. $100 firm. Bike is located in Manassas, VA. Any takers? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLOL817272 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-22.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.22]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28482 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:23:38 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:23:38 -0400 Message-ID: <03dc01bfeb7b$34afbb60$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC MotoTourist advice sought Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:01:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horkster -- I do errands/meetings around downtown often and find MC short-term = parking no problem though occasionally some poking around is needed. = The rub, as I surmise, comes for those needing to commute steadily to = work for full days. =20 As you know there are MC parking zones around. But if not = tourist-visible, either full parking places or MC-squeeze for shorter = periods fill the bill. Care, as always, to fill meters and not invite = bumping by closely parked cages. Park at the end of the block inside = the signs, etc. Suddenly I seem to recall 15th & G MCpkng -- close to WhiteHouse, = Old Ebbitt, Mall, etc. Right in the middle of Tourista Territory. =20 If he wants to stay a bunch of hours or overnite -- of course, have = him ask the garage people. =20 Bid him welcome. If I can help further, email. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Dale Horstman Folks, need some suggestions. ...snip=20 Anyway, I normally suggest to tourists to park and take the Metro in (Blue line specifically) but since he'll be on a bike (and it's cosmetically challenged enough to be more or less safe in the 'Hood) and comfortable with metro traffic issues, I was wondering how viable it would be to ride in and try to park somewhere around the Mall with a motorcycle on a Monday morning? Any moto-friendly parking garages/ spaces still available by late morning? Or am I totally dreaming? ...snip ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Horkster --
 
    I do errands/meetings around = downtown often=20 and find MC short-term parking no problem though occasionally some = poking around=20 is needed.  The rub, as I surmise, comes for those needing to = commute=20 steadily to work for full days. 
 
    As you know there are MC parking = zones=20 around.  But if not tourist-visible, either full parking places or=20 MC-squeeze for shorter periods fill the bill.  Care, as always, to = fill=20 meters and not invite bumping by closely parked cages.   Park = at the=20 end of the block inside the signs, etc.
 
    Suddenly I seem to recall 15th = & G=20 MCpkng -- close to WhiteHouse, Old Ebbitt, Mall, etc.  Right in the = middle=20 of Tourista Territory. 
 
    If he wants to stay a bunch of = hours or=20 overnite -- of course, have him ask the garage people.  =
 
    Bid him welcome.  If I can = help=20 further, email. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help = protect=20 my riding fun.
 
From: Dale Horstman <Horkster@XXXXXX>
=
Folks, need some suggestions.

...snip =
 
Anyway, I normally suggest to tourists to park and = take the=20 Metro
in (Blue line specifically) but since he'll be on a bike (and=20 it's
cosmetically challenged enough to be more or less safe in the=20 'Hood)
and comfortable with metro traffic issues, I was wondering how = viable
it would be to ride in and try to park somewhere around the = Mall=20 with
a motorcycle on a Monday morning?  Any moto-friendly = parking=20 garages/
spaces still available by late morning?  Or am I = totally=20 dreaming?
 
...snip
------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:37:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLbA817573 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13C7hs-0001Kn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:36:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest In-Reply-To: <396B8FA3.2167BABB@peabody.jhu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > If this protest comes together, I'll contact the media. I think it would make > national news if we were to block portions of I-95. > If this is gonna happen we should get dc-sportbike involved since their the ones being target. After all DC-Cycles does its speeding and crashing on the byways not the hiways ;p. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:07:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BM6w818104 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BM6lj03710; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:06:47 -0400 Message-ID: <396B98D9.3AF8BE5A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:59:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Dale Horstman , Dave Yates , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Move it right References: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> <396B39C9.66D238E2@flashmail.com> <396B4375.BB050E60@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a law for trucks, especially HazMat carriers. In the sleepy southeast, interstate speed is now 70 and severa state have keep right laws and do enforce them. Yep, Deputy BeerGut will getcha fer sure. So Caroline busts trucks big time for using left lane. Seems SC discovered it's way cheaper to build a car-duty lane and the laft lane won't handle truck wieght, much like a parkway. Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a suggestion > than a law. You'll notice only certain stretches of I-95 have the signs for > trucks to stay in the right lanes only. It's kinda like lowering the speed > limits within the high density/urban areas. There's (unfortunately) no actual > law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, they > put it there to remind the blue-hairs (and stupid people) to move it right... > But I do agree that it SHOULD be a law. I wonder how NJ's law came into effect? > > -Kristina > '98 Nighthawk 750 > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > > > > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > > > discipline were enforced... > > > > Tracy and I were in the cage (yuck!) the other night, and talking about > > this very thing. I said the cops needed to enforce the "Keep Right except > > to Pass" laws on the books - Tracy told me there was no such law. Just > > then, I pointed out to her a "Slower Traffic Keep Right" traffic sign > > on I-95. She was genuinely surprised. It just doesn't register to > > people anymore. > > > > The NRA may be right. If we'd enforce existing laws instead of always > > writing up new ones, life would be much better. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMPP818534 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BMOuj05711; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:24:56 -0400 Message-ID: <396B9D1A.4171627E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:18:02 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Dale Horstman , Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I'm way older than the present Wilson Bridge. It wasn't there when I moved to Virginny, put in service in `63. Cut 20 minutes off my commute to visit my lady friends in MD. Well, okay some weren't *ladies* but they sure were fun! Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than anyone else wants to hear, > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) heeheeheee....) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:35:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMZX818788 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BMZ8j06870; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: <396B9F7E.BFAF49E8@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:28:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers References: <200007111846.e6BIkg814286@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would this be like Polo? Like on the bikes? Bill EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:52:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMqR819069 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BMq8j08701; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: <396BA37B.6233A07F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:45:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OUCH! My fleet: Econo Dodge Neon, but that car is in TN with my darling daughter. All I have is the payment book, and that gets a zillion miles to the gallon. Dodge 250 Ram van, 360 V-8 with 3.50 towing axle. 16 MPG hiwy, 15/14 towing, single digits in town. Of course, this MONSTER is being piloted by my son who lives south a-ways. His momma thought the van would be perfect to haul the grandkids around. YOU GAVE AWAY MY VAN!! Geezzz... 4WD Dodge Dakota, V-6 auto, 3.50 tow axle. 25 hiwy, 15 town, about 5 on the beach. Hey, beer coolers nad fishing rods are heavy! `93 Harley FLHS. Milage declines rapidily with speed, hitting a low of 33 at *whisper* 80+. Not much better in town. So all in all my CAFE milage is super! Average the trucks and bile with the zillion mile per gallon payment book - I be GREEN! Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all these damn single-occupancy > SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 car lengths, and replace > them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! Let's raise the gas tax, to > make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy cars > burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND > congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c > driving is so economically inconvenient! And those who DO drive, has small cars > which take up less space and make better gas mileage! > > :-)----Kristina > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > environmental impact - that's becoming more and more > > regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of > > countries don't share in this concern. So while we > > become leader in environmental issues.... other > > countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge > > is not a big concern to me but rather other countries > > participating in environmental issues. > > > > While building roads, bridges and creating better > > designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long > > term... a fraction of the solution because of all the > > single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb > > area. > > > > maybe the solution: > > MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! > > > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > > > anyone else wants to hear, > > > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > > > impact those bridges > > > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > > > new/expansion Wilson > > > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > > > not in our lifetime anyway. > > > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > > > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > > > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > > > heeheeheee....) > > > > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > > > the > > > > > left lanes!! > > > > > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > > > hard > > > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > > > eluding > > > > road designers around here for years... > > > > > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > > > > > Hork > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > > > horkster@XXXXXX > > > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMwm819165 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.67.6a6cfff (4333) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <67.6a6cfff.269d009d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:58:37 EDT Subject: Re: WIlson Bridge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/11/00 2:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Whatever is > done, has to be done soon though, the report I saw on NBC a few months back > showed pieces falling off the understructure whenever trucks went over. May > want to have your swim trunks on the next time you cross it ;) Pieces? Pah! Those of us here in the mid-eighties can remember the year the bridge started to disintigrate, and the day they had to close a lane because a *four foot chunk* dropped out. You could actually look through the bridge and see water. The local radio station played a parody of Buckner and Garcia's 'Pac Man Fever' titled 'Pot Hole Fever' and included the line "Crossin' the Wilson Bridge tryin' to keep from fallin' through" (Ok, yeah... I'm officially OLD now). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 19:38:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BNcr819836 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13C9bp-0005PR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:38:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSP drops a beamer oops Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1989 02:43:50 GMT Message-ID: <24bdafc7.148370083@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BNe5819837 check out this message on DCSBR' yahoo club, rumor is a beamer hit a curb and the ground in a donut shop parkng lot lol ============================================ here is the msg: Operation Road Rocket Update stillie750 (22/M/somewhere) 7/11/00 4:46 pm I just talked to a friend of mine who rides and is a newer patrol car officer with the MSP. One of Marylands finest reportedly went down in a parking lot on a curb the other morning. What parking lot you ask...Ironically it was a Donut Shop.Rumor of the damage is a left fairing, mirror, turn signal,and front rim. I think what happened was he was trying to cram one under his chin bar. Simple Physics state that 1 double chin+ 1 large helmet + 1 jelly glazed donut= 1 of Marylands taxpayers paying for new bodywork.LOL Stef Officer Cedrick Steffens, still making full Vanson suits look like Daisy Dukes!!!!!!!!!!!1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 20:05:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C05H820341 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id UAA20978 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000711201110.007f2dd0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:11:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: a few points In-Reply-To: <200007112300.e6BN0Bj19212@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. That is the speed limit isn't it????? >> Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... >> >> Genna Melamed >> genna@XXXXXX I am just about to leave for the beach in NC, I have to admit that I am releived that I will only spend the first 15 miles out of my 300 mile journey riding in Maryland. Looking forward to Virginia and North Carolina. If anybody is up for a protest after I get back please post to the list, I would love to join!!!! How about a nice slow trip around the MD beltway. Perhaps going exactly 55 on I-270 in the early part of rush hour. Maybe going exactly 55 on I-95 on a Sunday evening. We would have to be sure to block all lanes. >From: Chuck Pena >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: "Girls" ride... Sounds like the rest of us could learn a thing or two from the girlz! I had a wonderful ride with you gals on Saturday, we could not have asked for better riding weather. Michelle and Laura, when I get back I would love to show you all some better routes to get to your Rockville offices. >From: FGrefe@XXXXXX >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:31:45 EDT >Subject: Re: Move it right >OUCH! >So all in all my CAFE milage is super! Average the trucks and bile with the zillion mile per gallon payment book - I be GREEN! > >Bill I hear you there. OK, I admit that our jeep has 33's on it and gets horrid mileage especially when we are towing one or two bikes. But, hubby does %90 of his commuting on his ZX-11. I am proud to say that I do the majority of my commuting in warm weather on the the VFR. When the weather gets cold I revert to the economical Nissan NX that gets the high 20's to low 30's mileage. I would like to think that our familly CAFE is good too!! Now, if we could only give up recreational four-wheelin..... '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 22:22:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C2Mk822453 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.159]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12852; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C0133.20BBA9F2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:25:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. As a Libertarian, I am in agreement with you about spending excessive money on the military to go bomb far off places. But I reserve my right to have a choice to drive a gas-guzzling SUV! %^) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 22:31:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C2VC822649 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-129.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.129]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11081 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:09 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <041501bfeba4$80b87780$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:07:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Matthew Ehlert ...snip maybe the solution: MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! Yes! And legalized lanesplitting (see archives)! Six+ riders abreast on = the Shirley! Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Matthew Ehlert <matt_ehlert@XXXXXX>
...snip

maybe the solution:
MORE MOTORCYCLE=20 RIDERS!!!
Yes! And legalized lanesplitting (see = archives)! =20 Six+ riders abreast on the Shirley!
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.


 
------=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 23:05:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C35v823220 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-129.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.129]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA12431 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:05:52 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:05:52 -0400 Message-ID: <043501bfeba9$15a99960$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Many lessons here, 'twould seem Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:29:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >From the Vulcan List. San Joaquin County [CA] mentioned. Probably from the Sacramento Bee. Lessons? Ride a fast bike? Rocks are dirty? Harleys taste good to trucks? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> nice truck, nice truck Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. **************** Trucker faces more severe charge By AARON WILLIAMS BEE STAFF WRITER (Published: Saturday, July 08, 2000) An attempted murder charge was filed Friday against a trucker accused of running down a motorcyclist in a fit of road rage. John Gerard Fagundes of Turlock sat stoically in Stanislaus County Superior Court, staring ahead as the district attorney's office increased the charge from assault with a deadly weapon to attempted murder and aggravated mayhem. If found guilty, Fagundes could be sentenced to life in prison. Judge Michael Cummins also granted a prosecution request to boost Fagundes' bail from $20,000 to $500,000. Deputy District Attorney Sharon Lizardo argued that given the "premeditated and extreme nature of the case, $500,000 is not inappropriate." Fagundes' attorney, Kirk McAllister, did not enter a plea on Fagundes' behalf. He asked for, and was granted, a delay until July 21. McAllister also argued against the bail increase and said he will seek to reduce the amount. Police said Fagundes ran over motorcyclist Michael McLatchy on the Standiford Avenue-Beckwith Road offramp from southbound Highway 99 on Wednesday after the two became involved in a dispute that began in southern San Joaquin County. Witnesses reported seeing Fagundes cut across lanes of traffic to follow McLatchy up the ramp near Vintage Faire Mall. Police said Fagundes' big rig struck the motorcycle about halfway up the ramp and pushed the cycle and its rider through the intersection at the top of the offramp and onto the onramp to re-enter the highway. McLatchy was knocked to the side of the road and the brown Peterbilt continued for about 200 yards. The Harley-Davidson motorcycle was pinned beneath the front of the truck. John Goold, chief deputy district attorney, said the charges against Fagundes were increased because of what he called the excessive nature of the conflict. Fagundes said in a 911 call made at 2:59 p.m. that McLatchy was going to throw rocks at his truck. "The 911 call played into the attempted murder charge," Goold said, adding that it implied a premeditated act by Fagundes. "The first rock he throws is the last rock he throws at me," Fagundes told the 911 operator when he called from the Manteca area. "I'm in a big 18-wheeler." Goold said aggravated mayhem was added because McLatchy was disfigured. McLatchy's right leg was severed in the crash. McLatchy's stepmother, Linda Thrower, said the family was pleased to see the charge of attempted murder added, but dismayed that "the lives of two families were devastated." Fagundes' family declined to comment after the arraignment. Police are still unsure of how or why the conflict between Fagundes and McLatchy started. Fagundes told a Bee reporter Wednesday that the motorcycle rider slowed down in front of him, made an obscene gesture and then stopped to pick up rocks. McLatchy still has not been interviewed by police because he is recovering from injuries sustained in the wreck. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 23:47:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C3lI823848 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.ae.7a41d0c (4406); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:47:08 EDT Subject: Re: commuters? To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Hi Tony I ride my bike to work nearly everyday and I live in chevy chase just down the road from you. I work in Crystal City. The route I take each morning is this, East on East West highway to a right on Beach drive all the way through Rockcreek Park to the Memorial Bridge, cross the bridge ,through the circle and hang a right onto 110, the Pentagon parking lot is on your left and the Pentagon is on your right. The best time do do this in the morning is Before 7.30 am and before 6pm in the evening , it is nice and twisty and relaxing only three traffic lights to go through. RMC From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 00:00:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6C40v824090 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000712040048.29938.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.116] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:00:48 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii STEADY Kristina.. Economical? [Mass] Transit or Bicycles? Umm..is this DC CYCLES? You're getting perilously close to tree-hugg'n here! Some of us KNOW HOW to properly drive SUV's and don't make excuses for the fuel we consume (cause we pay for it like everybody else, if not more.) I don't want an econobox - had one - then I got something I wanted. Fact is, I'd love a stable of bikes, boats, cars, and trucks - one for every gas-suckin' day of the week! Maybe I could sneak in a day of mountain biking every once in a while - but purely for MY pleasure and never my commute - my choice. I also don't know what kinda moped you're riding but my scooter gets about 35 mpg tops. No more granola and birkenstocks for you. ;-) -Corbett '99K1200RS --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all > these damn single-occupancy > SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 > car lengths, and replace > them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! > Let's raise the gas tax, to > make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, > and make those economy cars > burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out > for helping pollution AND > congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, > or bicycles to work b/c > driving is so economically inconvenient! And those > who DO drive, has small cars > which take up less space and make better gas > mileage! > SUV's?... I have issues...> > :-)----Kristina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 00:41:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C4fe824612 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.147] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A733A4A80142; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:42:27 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFEB99.CC088FA0@2G0UP>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:40:37 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFEB99.CC088FA0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:40:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6C4fq824613 Actually Eric, those light-flashing and left-blinker setting are not supposed to annoy - they are considered standard communications between drivers. In Europe, and most anywhere I've been (other than the US) a car wanting to pass blinks its headlights, as in "letting you know, I'm behind you, faster than you are, and would like some room". They will also flash their lights to warn you off of problems, police, accidents, or if you're merging with them too closely. Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights (twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and to me, less polite. I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. Niv BMW F650ST Eric wrote: In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 01:21:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C5Ll825298 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id q.66.5709774 (3971); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.5709774.269d59c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:19:00 EDT Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right To: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 What's even MORE annoying/bizarre is that flashing your lights has now been labeled as "aggressive driving" by both MD and VA under their various "Stop all accidents by pulling over people who are fully under control yet exceeding the ridiculously low speed limit instead of the cell-yaking-non-turn-signal-using-weaving- oblivious-to-everything-dolts" programs. Flashing your lights one or twice to let the moron doing 55mph in the fast lane (The one that each state says shouldn't be used except for passing) is "aggresive". I really *&^$*(^*&#$ hate the direction this country is going. - Roach In a message dated 7/12/00 12:44:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rdrdr@XXXXXX writes: > Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights ( > twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - > a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of > this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing > the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and > to me, less polite. > I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 02:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6C66Y826719 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000712060626.22636.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:26 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Crappy roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Back when I was commuting in and out of DC every day, I used to think DC did't have a single decent road in it.... Boy was I way wrong. Having lived in Michigan for a year now, it is official: there ain't one damn decent road here! Since I've moved here, three, count em, three (that have made the news) vehicles have literally been swallowed by the roads in detroit. The vid clips of vehicles sitting below the surface of the ground look pretty hilarious, but scary as hell when you think about it..... I REALLY miss MD, VA, and WV back roads :( Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 05:51:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C9pu800506 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA552265 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C3FB3.8E498955@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:51:47 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > the reason people don't use it much here is that IT SUCKS. Amen. > Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS > excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next > year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund > some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. I wouldn't mind the government funding some mass transit in lieu of some 3rd world dictator that hates the US etc.. but it's just that pesky problem of the government pretty much making a catastrophe out of anything they touch... Anything is better than Metro. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 05:57:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C9vv800599 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA576535 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C411C.5C633982@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:57:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military That would be China. > so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. Who here LIKES econo-boxes ? Anyone? I don't have an SUV, & I often end up cursing some brain dead SUV driver, but I can understand why they're hot... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 05:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C9xp800609 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6C9xlm23619 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA574142 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C418C.F4592239@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <4.1.20000711165504.00a06f00@intertv.com> <396B8C34.2C0A5617@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > And a good thing, too. Pave the Planet! Great, the idea is catching on. Ever thought of running for office :-) We want more roads. > Make 'em nice, and scenic, and twisty, yeah. A Dragon in > everyone's backyard, woohoo! > > Did I ever tell you that Al Gore and I don't get along > very well? :) Whoda thunk it? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 06:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CA3C800713 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6CA3Am24036 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA577215 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C4257.45C5DAC4@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Move it right References: <396B8CE3.87161983@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > It all boils down to selective enforcement by > the police and local governments. Not to stray > too far off topic, but the NRA is right - this > nation has more than enough gun laws. I don't know Dale, what about all those drive by Bayonettings??? We are > (collectively) just doing a miserable job > enforcing the existing laws. Same deal with > traffic laws. Too many. Simplify things & it would probably be better. Alas, not in my lifetime. 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 06:12:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CACM800879 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA578748 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C447D.5F9ECD0@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:12:13 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a few points References: <3.0.6.32.20000711201110.007f2dd0@kivex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Goddard wrote: > I am just about to leave for the beach in NC, I have to admit that I am > releived that I will only spend the first 15 miles out of my 300 mile > journey riding in Maryland. Looking forward to Virginia and North > Carolina. If anybody is up for a protest after I get back please post to > the list, I would love to join!!!! How about a nice slow trip around the > MD beltway. Perhaps going exactly 55 on I-270 in the early part of rush > hour. Maybe going exactly 55 on I-95 on a Sunday evening. We would have > to be sure to block all lanes. I'd think a car escort would be in order too many road rage incidents get started by left lane hogs, & being involved in such on a bike isn't conducive to one's health... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 06:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CALi801035 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA573250 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C46B0.95FE55F6@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:21:36 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right References: <66.5709774.269d59c4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > What's even MORE annoying/bizarre is that flashing your lights has now been > labeled as "aggressive driving" by both MD and VA under their various "Stop > all accidents by pulling over people who are fully under control yet > exceeding the ridiculously low speed limit instead of the > cell-yaking-non-turn-signal-using-weaving- oblivious-to-everything-dolts" > programs. Anyone know if this is ACTUALLY a violation of traffic code in MD/DC/VA ? I think Not. a few years ago Dr. Gridlock did an article on someone who was written a ticket for flashing their high beams (to warn of a speed trap, not at a slow driver ). turns out, there is(was) no such violation in any of the 3 local jurisdictions... has that changed ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:00:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CC0F802501 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6CC0Cp07784 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <396C418C.F4592239@radix.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Dave Yates wrote: > Dale Horstman wrote: > > And a good thing, too. Pave the Planet! > > Great, the idea is catching on. Ever thought of running for office :-) You guys have never ridden dirt bikes, have you? Streets suck. I say we tear up all the !@#$ pavement, plant some trees, and start establishing trails (with a max width of, say 35"). Now THAT would make a much more interesting commute to work. You can pave the planet as soon you pull my cold dead fingers from my wide open throttle! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:12:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCCl802667 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA580949 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C60B5.7D212DC9@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:12:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > You guys have never ridden dirt bikes, have you? Sadly, thanks to my moron older brothers, they were banned from my childhood, & I haven't gotten around to getting one yet... Streets suck. I say we > tear up all the !@#$ pavement, plant some trees, and start establishing > trails (with a max width of, say 35"). Now THAT would make a much more > interesting commute to work. Then, all our commuting routes would be 'forests', & 'Wetlands'. Holy Government intrusion Batman. > > You can pave the planet as soon you pull my cold dead fingers from my wide > open throttle! > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:26:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCQv802826 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27806 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Liam Neeson hits deer... I think we should outlaw all deer! LITHGOW, N.Y. Actor Liam Neeson suffered a broken pelvis Tuesday when his motorcycle collided with a deer near his home, authorities said. Neeson, 48, was riding his 1989 Harley Davidson motorcycle around noon when a deer jumped into the road, according to the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office. Neeson, who was wearing his helmet, was thrown from the motorcycle just before it ran into a tree about 70 miles north of New York City. The Oscar-nominated Irish actor suffered a fractured right pelvis, a chipped left pelvis, and multiple leg abrasions. He was taken to a Connecticut hospital. "I'm told that he's in good condition and that he's resting comfortably," said Alan Nierob, Neeson's publicist. "We're expecting a quick recovery." Herman Staats of Hyde Park was driving his truck when he spotted Neeson lying on the roadside. "He managed to crawl his way up back to the road," Staats said. "He wanted me to drive him back to his house right up the road, but I could tell his hips were bothering him." Neeson was nominated for an Academy Award for his portrayal of Oskar Schindler in the 1993 epic "Schindler's List." He has starred in "Stars Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace" and "Rob Roy." Neeson married actress Natasha Richardson in 1994. Sheriff's deputies said the deer died shortly after the accident -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCqD803351 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13CLzm-0004WV-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:52:10 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J051JP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:44:50 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: , , Subject: RE: commuters? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:53:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I seem to recall that you can also ride year-round since you never really go all that fast anyway... -----Original Message----- From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX [mailto:RMccre5861@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:47 PM To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: commuters? Hi Tony I ride my bike to work nearly everyday and I live in chevy chase just down the road from you. I work in Crystal City. The route I take each morning is this, East on East West highway to a right on Beach drive all the way through Rockcreek Park to the Memorial Bridge, cross the bridge ,through the circle and hang a right onto 110, the Pentagon parking lot is on your left and the Pentagon is on your right. The best time do do this in the morning is Before 7.30 am and before 6pm in the evening , it is nice and twisty and relaxing only three traffic lights to go through. RMC From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:55:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCto803364 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CCuL420025 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:56:24 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Can happen to anyone.... Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfec00$4327cc20$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Oh No! The deer thread again. ;) As long as we have the helicopter up there, can we equip it with deer-guided missiles? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" LITHGOW, N.Y. (AP) - Actor Liam Neeson suffered a broken pelvis Tuesday when his motorcycle collided with a deer near his home, authorities said. Neeson, 48, was riding his 1989 Harley Davidson motorcycle around noon when a deer jumped into the road, according to the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office. Neeson, who was wearing his helmet, was thrown from the motorcycle just before it ran into a tree about 70 miles north of New York City. The Oscar-nominated Irish actor suffered a fractured right pelvis, a chipped left pelvis, and multiple leg abrasions. He was taken to a Connecticut hospital. ``I'm told that he's in good condition and that he's resting comfortably,'' said Alan Nierob, Neeson's publicist. ``We're expecting a quick recovery.'' Herman Staats of Hyde Park was driving his truck when he spotted Neeson lying on the roadside. ``He managed to crawl his way up back to the road,'' Staats said. ``He wanted me to drive him back to his house right up the road, but I could tell his hips were bothering him.'' Sheriff's deputies said the deer died shortly after the accident. ===== Tom McIntyre Peoria, IL 1978 BMW R100/7, "The Beast of Burden" AMA, BMWMOA, Airheads #1764, Ill Valley BMW Club "Mentally confused ...prone to wander" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:57:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCvg803439 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA26772; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:58:41 -0400 To: Morris Berman From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" YEOUUUCHHH! : ( God, a broken PELVIS, that gave me the willies just reading it! How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) > >LITHGOW, N.Y. Actor Liam Neeson suffered a broken pelvis Tuesday when his >motorcycle collided with a deer near his home, authorities said. > > > > >-Mb > - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 '00 Dodge Dakota http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 09:16:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CDGK804111 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SN4J0>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: rdrdr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:15:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree with Niv that the light-flashing thing in Europe *is* standard practice, but it is *also* illegal (at least in Germany), and if caught doing it, you will face fines or license suspension for aggressive driving, etc. But this isn't the Euro-Cycles list, so maybe we should let it drop. In other news, how do you like that BMW F650ST? Do you prefer it to the new F650GS? Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Ahalan [mailto:rdrdr@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:41 AM To: dc-cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Actually Eric, those light-flashing and left-blinker setting are not supposed to annoy - they are considered standard communications between drivers. In Europe, and most anywhere I've been (other than the US) a car wanting to pass blinks its headlights, as in "letting you know, I'm behind you, faster than you are, and would like some room". They will also flash their lights to warn you off of problems, police, accidents, or if you're merging with them too closely. Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights (twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and to me, less polite. I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. Niv BMW F650ST Eric wrote: In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 09:38:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A26B.pix.aol.com [152.163.162.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CDcl804865 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17481 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id JAA29009 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:34 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <396C0133.20BBA9F2@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Charles V. Pena wrote: > As a Libertarian, I am in agreement with you about spending excessive > money on the military to go bomb far off places. But I reserve my right > to have a choice to drive a gas-guzzling SUV! %^) As long as we reserve the right to beat you with a large stick when you whine about how it dcosts you $100 to fill your tank every 3 days because you have a 100 mile commute each day to/from work :) There's just something about having to worry about the gas going bad in your car because you spend so much time on your bike ... (I need to get my bike back on the road. argh.) -dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 09:46:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CDkr805023 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13CMqK-0007do-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:46:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > YEOUUUCHHH! : ( > God, a broken PELVIS, that gave me the willies just reading it! > > How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? > Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) > Cracked or broke some ribs. Not sure as I didn't get it checked out for a few months. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:02:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CE2g805275 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-26.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.218]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14699; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396CA5EC.295752F0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:07:56 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Paper CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Paper wrote : > > As long as we reserve the right to beat you with a large stick when you > whine about how it dcosts you $100 to fill your tank every 3 days because > you have a 100 mile commute each day to/from work :) As long as we're OT, let the beatings begin! %^) Actually, you won't hear my whining about how much it costs to fill up the tank on my SUV. Because I don't have a 100 mile commute to/from work, I actually only have to fill it up -- at most -- once a week (and can go for 2 weeks if I don't use it for anything else, but that doesn't happen very often). Plus I made the conscious choice to buy/drive an SUV so I knew in advance that it would cost me more to drive it. Nobody forced me to buy one, so IMHO I wouldn't have a leg to stand on if I started whining about it. And if I do start whining, by all means beat me to death (or shoot me!) %^) Skittles From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:06:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A26B.pix.aol.com [152.163.162.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CE6R805356 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19508 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id KAA29092 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:19 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <396CA5EC.295752F0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > Because I don't have a 100 mile commute to/from work, I actually only > have to fill it up -- at most -- once a week (and can go for 2 weeks if > I don't use it for anything else, but that doesn't happen very often). > Plus I made the conscious choice to buy/drive an SUV so I knew in > advance that it would cost me more to drive it. Nobody forced me to buy > one, so IMHO I wouldn't have a leg to stand on if I started whining > about it. And if I do start whining, by all means beat me to death (or > shoot me!) %^) oooOOOooo. A rare site indeed, a semi-responsible SUV owner. Get a load of this one! . Yeah, I know. What I can't stand hearing about is ppl who claim "my only choice was to buy a gas guzzling SUV". Minivan, full sized van, _station wagon_..wake up. pay attention. I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. -dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEQX805923 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23051; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071210262313:17114 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <396C808E.D28ADEFB@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:28:30 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? References: <66.5709774.269d59c4@aol.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:26:24 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:26:25 AM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 10:26:25 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > What's even MORE annoying/bizarre is that flashing your lights has now been > labeled as "aggressive driving" by both MD and VA REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEUb806121 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.ae.7a6bd45 (3965); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:30:21 EDT Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 The MD "Aggressive driver" law is written much like the VA "reckless driving" law - the cop can cite you for almost anything should he/she choose. Visiting the MD "Aggressive Driver" website reveals... "They run stop signs and red lights, speed, tailgate, weave in and out of traffic, pass on the right, make improper and unsafe lane changes, make hand and facial gestures, scream, honk, and flash their lights." (http://www.sha.state.md.us/oots/aggdrivers.htm) SO... if you pass the moron doing 55mph in the left lane on the right, flash your lights, use your horn, or speed... you're an "Aggressive Driver". Hmm... that about makes everyone on the road in MD one me thinks. - Roach In a message dated 7/12/00 6:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone know if this is ACTUALLY a violation of traffic code in MD/DC/VA > ? > I think Not. a few years ago Dr. Gridlock did an article on someone > who was written a ticket for flashing their high beams (to warn of a > speed trap, not at a slow driver ). turns out, there is(was) no such > violation in any of the 3 local jurisdictions... has that changed ? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:39:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEd8806200 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA623273 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C82FD.BFA47E3@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:38:53 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > ... > Visiting the MD "Aggressive Driver" website reveals... > > "They run stop signs and red lights, speed, tailgate, weave in and out of > traffic, pass on the right, make improper and unsafe lane changes, make hand > and facial gestures, scream, honk, and flash their lights." Basically, they drive like PG county Cops on the Beltway, is that what they're saying ? > (http://www.sha.state.md.us/oots/aggdrivers.htm) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:57:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEvs806509 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24513; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071210574436:17412 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: <396C87E5.77F4038E@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:59:49 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Paper CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:57:46 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:57:47 AM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 10:57:47 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover rate of SUV's is so much greater than any other vehicle on the road, that transportation safety studies are continually proving that although thought to be bigger/better (a man's world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:17:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFHG807059 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25530; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071211170839:17624 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: <396C8C6F.E0A5062E@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:19:11 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Paper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <396C87E5.77F4038E@mitretek.org> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 11:17:08 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 11:17:09 AM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 11:17:09 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I meant, "rollover", not turnover......... sorry. "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. > > > > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover rate of SUV's is so much > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that transportation safety studies > are continually proving that although thought to be bigger/better (a man's > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:21:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFKr807150 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA629999 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C8CC9.4A84885@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:20:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <396C87E5.77F4038E@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. > > > > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover rate of SUV's is so much > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that transportation safety studies > are continually proving that although thought to be bigger/better (a man's > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... Strangely enough, when you ask an SUV driver about this, almost without fail they say something to the effect of 'maybe that's true, but I'm an above average driver'. SHYEAH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFTm807349 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29906; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , Subject: RE: Light flashing!? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:28:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <396C808E.D28ADEFB@mitretek.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:43:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFh2807659 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13754 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: flashing!? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OHHH NOOO!!! We're not going to start the DC-Cycles flashing and nudity thread again? ;) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Chris Weaver wrote: > If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. > > If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN > THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to > the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them > the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes > up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I > haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the > soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Light flashing!? > > REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I > hate > cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're > stupid > and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them > once (or > twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when > did > driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. > > -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:51:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFpe807847 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA637189 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C93FE.A0F76320@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:51:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Light flashing!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > > If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. > > If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN > THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to > the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them > the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. Why? If they're thick headed enough to stick behind you, you won't be teaching them anything. If, on the other hand, someone comes > up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I > haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the > soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. I certainly agree, a little common courtesy goes a long way, but just get out of the idiot's way & let the cops deal with the tailgater. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:59:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CFx1807967 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA08599; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:54:22 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003670; Wed, 12 Jul 00 11:50:37 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXL00JN3DFQD8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525691A.005706D1 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:50:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:48:36 -0400 Subject: RE: Light flashing!? To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525691A.0056E4E2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Actually trying to prove a point to any driver on the road is part of the problem. Infact, as you describe it below, you may part of the worst of it. Not only are you AWARE that the driver is there, but you still won't yield and will even take measures to annoy the driver just to try to prove a point that most likely won't change their behavior anyway. I guess my question to you is why do you take it so personally? Move over regardless of whether they are tailgating or not, let them by and go on about your life. Honestly Chris, doing that takes about 20 seconds. What gives? It seems as if you have personal vendetta, and those are the types that should be removed from the road. Not a flame, but maybe you should evaluate what you are doing to incite other drivers. I agree with you that the tailgater is WRONG in the first place, but you are just throwing fuel on the fire. Why not just let it go? --chris Please respond to chris.weaver@XXXXXX To: "Kristina M. Rogish" dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Light flashing!? If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:59:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f131.hotmail.com [216.32.181.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CFxT807977 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47522 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 15:59:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000712155921.47520.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.36.208.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:59:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Not to throw anyone off the In Response... thread, are there any rides for this weekend I can get in on - Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Let me know. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:21:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGLu808450 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28456; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071212211411:18151 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:14 -0400 Message-ID: <396C9B73.E7F14A98@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:23:16 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: flashing!? References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 12:21:14 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 12:21:15 PM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 12:21:15 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Morris Berman wrote: > OHHH NOOO!!! > We're not going to start the DC-Cycles flashing and nudity thread > again? ;) YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!! Fun group! Who's in? Are tan lines cliche??? ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:26:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGQg808483 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA492019 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C9C34.1CD341A6@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:28 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: flashing!? References: <396C9B73.E7F14A98@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > Morris Berman wrote: > > YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!! Fun group! Who's in? Are tan lines cliche??? ;-) > I guess you can bag the bikini wax then ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:49:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGn7808887 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.147] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A1B4F8023A; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:49:56 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFEBFF.77C74880@2G0UP>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:48:24 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFEBFF.77C74880@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "'eschelzig@XXXXXX'" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: ST vs. GS ? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:48:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CGnI808888 I love the ST - but I would probably like to trade up for the new GS when the time comes. I've always had dual-purpose bikes until this ST. Just thought that it was time for a slight change. I'm thinking of doing a mc journey from here to the tip of Chile in a year or two and the GS or the Dakar version looks like the right tool for the job. Regards Niv BMW F650ST ---------- From: eschelzig@XXXXXX[SMTP:eschelzig@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 6:15 AM To: rdrdr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right I agree with Niv that the light-flashing thing in Europe *is* standard practice, but it is *also* illegal (at least in Germany), and if caught doing it, you will face fines or license suspension for aggressive driving, etc. But this isn't the Euro-Cycles list, so maybe we should let it drop. In other news, how do you like that BMW F650ST? Do you prefer it to the new F650GS? Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Ahalan [mailto:rdrdr@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:41 AM To: dc-cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Actually Eric, those light-flashing and left-blinker setting are not supposed to annoy - they are considered standard communications between drivers. In Europe, and most anywhere I've been (other than the US) a car wanting to pass blinks its headlights, as in "letting you know, I'm behind you, faster than you are, and would like some room". They will also flash their lights to warn you off of problems, police, accidents, or if you're merging with them too closely. Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights (twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and to me, less polite. I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. Niv BMW F650ST Eric wrote: In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:49:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGnp808897 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00479; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Light flashing!? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <8525691A.0056E4E2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It's not so much to prove a point to the other driver but a way to minimize risk to myself. If I can move to the right, I usually do so. I've lived in Europe for many years and am firmly committed to the idea of moving to the right whenever possible, even when no traffic is behind me. When I get tailgated, it's invariably when I have nowhere to merge to. If I slow down, it gives me (and more importantly, my tailgater) more space for sudden stops and it sends the tailgater the message that they'll move faster in the next lane over. Very rarely I get pissed off and don't merge when a spot does open up simply in order to inconvenience the driver behind me. This is human nature. I don't have a personal vendetta and I'm not out to incite other drivers. Please don't overdramatize what I wrote. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:49 AM To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Light flashing!? Actually trying to prove a point to any driver on the road is part of the problem. Infact, as you describe it below, you may part of the worst of it. Not only are you AWARE that the driver is there, but you still won't yield and will even take measures to annoy the driver just to try to prove a point that most likely won't change their behavior anyway. I guess my question to you is why do you take it so personally? Move over regardless of whether they are tailgating or not, let them by and go on about your life. Honestly Chris, doing that takes about 20 seconds. What gives? It seems as if you have personal vendetta, and those are the types that should be removed from the road. Not a flame, but maybe you should evaluate what you are doing to incite other drivers. I agree with you that the tailgater is WRONG in the first place, but you are just throwing fuel on the fire. Why not just let it go? --chris Please respond to chris.weaver@XXXXXX To: "Kristina M. Rogish" dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Light flashing!? If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 13:22:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CHMq809457 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA12443; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:18 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008150; Wed, 12 Jul 00 13:19:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXL00C2HHJKDG@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525691A.005F23F9 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:19:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:08:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? To: Sanath S Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525691A.0058BE29.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL There seems to be talk of a protest ride to Phily ... you could check that one out. --chris Sanath S on 07/12/2000 11:59:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? Not to throw anyone off the In Response... thread, are there any rides for this weekend I can get in on - Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Let me know. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 14:20:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f215.hotmail.com [216.32.181.215]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CIJq810461 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14171 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 18:18:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000712181803.14170.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.36.208.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:18:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Sanath S" To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Protest Ride Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:18:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Someone organizing a protest ride? I read something about this earlier. Sounds like a great idea, I am sure people on here are just iching to protest and ride 55mph around 495. Regards Sanath >From: >To: Sanath S >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:08:38 -0400 > > > >There seems to be talk of a protest ride to Phily ... you could check that >one >out. > >--chris > > > > > > >Sanath S on 07/12/2000 11:59:20 AM > > > > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >Subject: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? > > > >Not to throw anyone off the In Response... thread, are there any rides for >this weekend I can get in on - Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Let me know. > >Regards >Sanath >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which >it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >Any >review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any >action >in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the >intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 14:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CIt9811257 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000712185455.23846.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:54:55 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest Ride To: Sanath S , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't want to organize it but will gladly join in. Glenn --- Sanath S wrote: > Someone organizing a protest ride? I read something > about this earlier. > Sounds like a great idea, I am sure people on here > are just iching to > protest and ride 55mph around 495. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:03:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJ3h811432 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CRnI-00060f-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:03:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hiyabusa as an emergency vehicle Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:09:01 GMT Message-ID: <396cec4e.43133346@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJ3k811433 http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/news/news.asp?id=125 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:14:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJE7811610 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CRxN-0007mO-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:14:06 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Paper Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:19:26 GMT Message-ID: <396ded7f.43438651@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJEA811611 On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:19 -0400, you wrote: |>Yeah, I know. What I can't stand hearing about is ppl who claim "my only |>choice was to buy a gas guzzling SUV". Minivan, full sized van, _station |>wagon_..wake up. pay attention. |> |>I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. ACK! that reminds me.. For those days that I can't ride.. I decided to buy a boat of a car..a cadillac fleetwood brougham (can't afford an SUV).. if I can't have speed, then give me plush comfort.. and I drive very law abiding in that... anyway the point i was trying to get to was: when i went to get tags for it.. the lady said "that'll be 90 (something) dollars".. so I'm thinking..and ask.. I thought tags were 70? and her reply was "yeah they would be but you have a heavier vehicle"... so I say oh ok and hand over the credit card because ther's nothing i could do.. but in the mean while i was thinking.. yeah where's my EFFING discount for my motorcycle being a lighter vehicle ya bunch of crooks heheh... Didn't mean THAT lady specificly though.. just the state. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:23:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJN3811777 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007121923.e6CJN3811777@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id g.a7.593faad (15708); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:22:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:22:15 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown In a message dated Wed, 12 Jul 2000 8:29:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Morris Berman writes: << Liam Neeson hits deer... I think we should outlaw all deer! >> Agreed! Get rid of those Deer Crossing signs. They never cross there anyways. The damn jaywalkers. ;-) << Neeson, who was wearing his helmet, was thrown from the motorcycle just before it ran into a tree about 70 miles north of New York City. >> Must have been going pretty good to throw him off the bike and then travel another 70 miles to hit a tree. hehe << Sheriff's deputies said the deer died shortly after the accident >> Mmmmm....Deer Jerky. :-) << -Mb >> Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:26:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from kens.com (root@XXXXXX [129.250.30.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJQp811800 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksenser@localhost) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA77022; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:26:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ksenser@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt S." X-Sender: ksenser@XXXXXX To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: POTENTIAL RACE BIKE (and parts) FOR SALE ASAP!!! (or maybe a potential streetfighter) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK, well everyone should remember my recent wreck and subsequently totalled F4. It's up for sale. description follows... 1999 CBR600 F4 -left side and upper/instrument panel trashed -needs new front wheel, new forks, new rotors (calipers looks to be in good shape) -tail section scratched but useable -bent shift lever -right side ok -frame undamaged in wreck -left clip-on scratched but useable (right side ok) -triple-clamp in good shape -very light scratches in tank (not all the way through the paint, easily buffed out) -everything else appears to be in good shape, including but not limited to...motor, swing arm, rear wheel, relatively new tires (BT56SS, less than 1500 miles on them), whole left side of the bike, footpegs, kickstand, rear brake lever, stock exhaust (almost never been used), stock front sprocket (16T, also almost never used), stock air filter (again, hardly used), etc... Since the damage was mostly two major things (front forks, and fairings), the majority of the bike is in very good shape. This bike has a STRONG tight motor for an F4, and I had it dynoed at Fast Lanes Motorcycles in Chantilly, Va. Even the owner of the shop looked at my readout and said "damn that's a powerful F4". He compared it to several race bikes that they tuned at that same shop and they were making 96-97 HP at the wheel with relatively wimpy bottom ends, whereas my F4 was making better power down low and up top, with a peak HP of 98.6. The day I had it dynoed wasn't exactly excellent test conditions either, so it might be more. The mechanics at Coleman Powersports also commented on the power of my bike pretty much any time they had to "test ride" it after any work done. I have until tomorrow night (maybe friday during the day) to decide if I'm buying it back from my insurance company. It will cost me a little over $2800 to buy it back (this was an estimate given by a professional motorcycle salvage company). I'm willing to part with it for $3000 OBO. Also, I have (undamaged) from the bike, the Two Brothers Racing FULL system exhaust (with round carbon fiber cannister, and both high mount and low mount options), and the BMC air filter. These two aftermarket parts, coupled with a stage 1 jet kit from Dynajet netted me those excellent HP readings... these are in perfect shape. Make an offer... Also... I have the 15T front counter sprocket from Sprocket Specialists too. PLEASE get back to me ASAP, at THIS e-mail address, not on the list. Or, better yet, call me...703-627-1051 I'm not trying to make money on this deal, but I'm not trying to lose any either. If anybody wants this bike, please take it...however, you pay shipping :-) Kirt S. ksenser@XXXXXX www.DarkMoonEmpire.com 703-627-1051 (cell) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:28:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJSO811885 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CSBC-0001sB-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:28:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Jeannette Zell Cc: Morris Berman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:33:42 GMT Message-ID: <396ef205.44597070@smtp.erols.com> References: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJSP811886 |>How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? |>Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) None for me either. Did get a sprained ankle and thumb.. but i never went to the hospital and kept riding.. had to switch bikes once. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:30:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJUr811977 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CSDb-0002FK-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:30:51 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Light flashing!? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:36:12 GMT Message-ID: <396ff2c0.44784010@smtp.erols.com> References: <396C93FE.A0F76320@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <396C93FE.A0F76320@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJUx811978 |> I certainly agree, a little common courtesy goes a long way, but just |>get out of the idiot's way & let the cops deal with the tailgater. Good point.. and you set an example for them to get out of the way, if they are in that situation. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:11:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CKBV812612 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SN46D>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:10:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, jzell@XXXXXX Cc: berman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:10:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" |>How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? |>Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) I was riding along in a costal village in Vietnam on a Russian two-stroker, when a woman in a conical hat (talk about restricted vision) and a huge jellyfish on the luggage rack of bicycle decided to make an abrupt turn in front of me. I almost lowsided, but then caught the bike and took a highside instead, all the while thinking I was going to end up face-down in jellyfish. Luckily for me, I only got a few scrapes, and the conical-hatted bicyclist rode away obliviously. Within seconds virtually the entire village had gathered to see what had happened, as my glass headlight must have shattered in a beckoning fashion. My passenger and I quickly gathered our wits, determined that we weren't sufficiently injured to stick around to face the authorities (without a local drivers license or registration -- how squidly of me), so we got back on bike and got the hell out of there. Needless to say there was no jellyfish-crossing sign posted anywhere in sight, but luckily no broken bones, either. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:42:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CKgc813234 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1882 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2000 20:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 20:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <396CD817.66EA6C46@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:41:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: Morris Berman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer References: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? > Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) I just about broke my big toe one day when I rode up on a smallish rock in the middle of the road on the way to work. Feeling like I would be doing someone a favor, I slowed down a little and lined up the bike so I could kick the rock over to the shoulder, polo-style. The rock was about the size of 1/3 of a typical red clay brick. No big deal, right? Took my right foot off the peg, held it just so, skimming above the road, and hit the rock with my foot doing about 20 mph. WHAP! OUCH! DAMN! I swear that thing was anchored to the road! Man did that hurt.... So what do I do? I turn the bike around, to see if the rock actually was stuck to the road. Nope. Nudged it out of the way from a stop this time, and my big toe was still throbbing. Sonofab*tch! I won't be doing *THAT* again anytime soon... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:49:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CKnM813345 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.78.784b33e (2616); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.784b33e.269e33c6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:49:10 EDT Subject: Flashing Lighst as a Violation in MD To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/12/00 6:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone know if this is ACTUALLY a violation of traffic code in MD/DC/VA ? I think Not. >> Humm, a couple of years ago when I was in court fighting a helmet ticket (and won, by the way) the case infront of me involved a guy who was behind a slow poke and flashed his lights. An unmarked car was coming the other way, saw what happened and wrote the flasher a ticket and the issue revolved around flashing the lights. The Court found for the government and the guy paid a fine. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CKq9813431 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id y.50.8008dac (2616); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.8008dac.269e3444@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:51:16 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Can happen to anyone.... To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/12/00 8:57:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: << As long as we have the helicopter up there, can we equip it with deer-guided missiles? >> Hollow point or slug? Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 17:47:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CLlE814454 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CULX-0000bZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:47:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ultimate rookie crosspost Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:52:33 GMT Message-ID: <396d128a.52923625@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CLlW814455 crosspost: ======================= subect: Ultimate Rookie! author: ny_cee (38/M/Metro DC (NYC Y'ALL)) 7/12/00 10:26 am Went with ssiixx_6 yesteday to the Springfield bike shop. While we were standing outside talking, a salesman was puting the owner on his new cruiser. The OLD man turned to the sales guy and said "So....this one here is the brake?". Then, "Where are my turn signals?". Once he got it started he hit a corner going out of the parking lot so slow, we just turned and looked at each other because we KNEW he was going DOWN! Scary, ain't it! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 18:36:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CMaA815291 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-84.s84.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.84] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CV6t-0002wv-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <074501bfec51$d05fab20$546aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Tight Squeeze Racing" , , , "Steve Keener" , "Pete Friedman" , "mark behlke" , Subject: Need help with RAM bodywork Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:37:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I need some good pictures and advice on how to install the RAM bodywork on my SV. Can anyone give me any suggestions. I don't even know how it attaches to the bike, is it just attached with the fairing stay in the front? If so where? If not where else? What about the tailsection, how does it attach? Do you have to modify the stock rear subframe to attach it? Please help me. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 19:22:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CNMf816262 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-139-45.s299.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.45] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CVpm-0002E8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:22:30 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Traffic Protests/Road Construction/The environment Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfec56$f58f1200$2d8ba4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 -"anticipated traffic flow will outgrow the 10 lane version that the local Virginia community is trying to impose." -"YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges cause!?!?!?!?" -"we need less effing suburbanites! DCs population is declining" -"However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange is ludicrous." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One factor with regard to congestion and environmental impact that I haven't seen specifically mentioned was population growth. Hugh Caldwell touched on it with his statement about the declination of DC population, but he was talking about re-distribution. I'm talking about the increase. I've lived in VA for 33 years. I watched rt7 become a four lane highway through Tysons Corner, and I495 increased from 2 lanes to 8. The reasons for expansion were ever so that they are today. Due to growth in the DC area, roads that were designed "for the times" get congested. I guess my point is, though I don't deny that fast quality construction of more bridges, connectors, parkways, outer beltways, etc., would alleviate most current traffic congestion and tensions, it also encourages more people to drive and attracts more people to the area. So forget about it. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 20:16:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D0Gv817283 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.147] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id AAA93C9D0112; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:17:45 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFEC3E.068E9BC0@2G0UP>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFEC3E.068E9BC0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: hyabusa as an emergency vehicle Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:15:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6D0H6817284 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hiyabusa as an emergency vehicle Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:09:01 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJ3k811433 http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/news/news.asp?id=125 >From this web site: _ _ _ "But patients aren't going to be whisked to hospital on the back of a bike! Instead, paramedics will give emergency treatment until the ambulance arrives. Now the race is on to raise the M-#15,000 needed to keep the superbike on the road and stocked with drugs. " Hyabusa ? Race ? on the Street ? with drugs ??? whooohooo !!!! Now that will give those BMW and helicopter cops something to chase!. '-) Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:11:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D3BA820171 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713031102.14282.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.201] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:11:02 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: SUV fixation To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn Girl, are we still fixating on SUV's? Yeah, there's an insurance penalty, it comes with driving ANY expensive vehicle. Turnover rates? Transportation Safety Studies? Sure you still have time to ride your B-I-K-E? -Corbett '93 Montero SUK --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems > to insuring them. > > > > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover > rate of SUV's is so much > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that > transportation safety studies > are continually proving that although thought to be > bigger/better (a man's > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:14:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D3EO820255 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713031415.3835.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.201] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:14:15 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Mass Transit To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > I meant, "rollover", not turnover......... sorry. > Anyway you want it honey. ;-) -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:19:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D3JX820360 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08178 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:19:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000712231825.00bb7100@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:19:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Actor meets deer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20000712/en/liam_hurt_in_deer-meets-motorcyc le_collision_7.html The Force definitely was not with Liam Neeson yesterday. The Phantom Menace Jedi suffered a broken pelvis when his motorcycle collided with a deer in upstate New York. The Dutchess County Sheriff's Department reports that Neeson, 48, was riding his 1989 Harley Davidson Tuesday afternoon when he struck the deer, which ran off before dying from its injuries. The actor, Oscar-nominated for his turn as Oscar Schindler in Schindler's List, also received multiple cuts to his legs, police said. He was first taken to Sharon Hospital in Sharon, Connecticut, and later moved to Lenox Hill hospital in New York City. "I'm told that he's in good condition and that he's resting comfortably," Neeson's publicist, Alan Nierob, says. "We're expecting a quick recovery." Nierob did not immediately know if Neeson's wife, actress Natasha Richardson, is with him or even when Neeson will be released. He says he hasn't heard from Neeson's doctors. The hero of the story is Herman Staats of Hyde Park, New York, who was driving along in his truck when he spotted the crumpled actor lying next to the road. "He managed to crawl his way up back to the road," Staats tells USA Today. "He wanted me to drive him back to his house right up the road, but I could tell his hips were bothering him." Neeson owns a home in Washington, New York. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D3OM820452 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713032416.16114.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.201] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:24:16 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:24:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: Light flashing!? To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You know, I almost never have a tailgate problem...I'm either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of an "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him reaching my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) If I'm stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move to his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" car coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just fade back and watch the show develop... -Corbett --- Chris Weaver wrote: > If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part > of the problem. > > If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not > going to be interested IN > THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, > I'll probably slow down to > the speed limit or below just to get them off of my > ass and maybe give them > the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the > other hand, someone comes > up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and > flashes me once (if I > haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet > I'll move over at the > soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a > courteous driver/rider. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D3gY820811 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.159]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12718; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396D6556.653D034C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:44:38 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycle.sportbike To: DC Cycles , parr@XXXXXX, Suzuki Bikes List Subject: Bike Night 3 - next Tuesday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just another reminder that Bike Night 3 is next Tuesday (July 18th), 7pm to 11pm at Grevey's in Falls, VA. For all the info, go to the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Hope to see y'all there! Chuck, aka Skittles P.S. Please tell friends (even if they don't ride m/c's). And feel free to pass this email along and/or crosspost it to other relevant lists. Thanx! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 00:42:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D4gs821718 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713044246.14822.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.183] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:42:46 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: broken bones To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In SQUID fashion back in the early 90's ..on a BEAUTIFUL & sunny Friday afternoon zooming down the inner loop of the beltway at about 115 mph on my '88 Hurricane 600 - on my way to happy hour... I head for the exit ramp (Route 7 West to Tysons Corner) and scrub off some speed before entering the turn....45mph,40,35,lean..oh damn! tons of minature potholes!... (NOTE to the newbies...asphalt when laid over cement doesn't adhere to the cement very well..so on places like off-ramps, the constant braking as cars enter the turns stretches and cracks the asphalt leaving hundreds of cute little potholes) ...the potholes cause a wonderful skipping effect as my tires intermittently slip/grab/slip/grab while I start to gain on the car in front's - rear bumper. I make the novice's mistake and start reaching for brakes...and WHOOSH..my freshly polished bike is sliding out in front of me..on it's side..and I notice..that I'm not really riding anything anymore - I'm sliding on my side too! (sweatshirt & jeans) The bike slides away, catches ,does a couple of cool flips so as to do body damage to both sides and the upper fairing, I slide off into the grass. It was only when I tried to pick my bike back up that I noticed my right arm felt like it was made of lead - broken right collar bone (oops sorry, C-L-A-V-I-C-L-E.) Felt a little woozy after realizing I was mortal. People stop, a nurse calls an ambulance..State Boy pulls up and says, "I imagine you were moving pretty fast when you lost control HUH?" while pulling his ticket book out... and before I can even respond..a motorist that happened to be behind me on the off ramp says "No Officer, he must have been going about 30 when the bike just slid out from under him!" (I could of KISSED that GUY!) The cop showed up at the hospital later...but I was sticking the that OTHER guy's story! Other notes: --the EMT's like to strap you to a backboard & isolate your head and neck...but not before cutting all your clothes off on the roadside-except for your socks and CLEAN underwear. --Emergency rooms are C-O-L-D, the REST of your clothes are cut or removed...(GUYS expect SOME shrivelage) --They check for internal bleeding by having a guy stick a thumb up your ass (while your still strapped to the backboard) GOD! I HOPE that was his thumb!... He never writes me.... --XRAY Technicians are bitter people..they like to poke and prod you into sitting still on basically a bar stool in front of a screen...not caring if they're grabbing you by the hurt shoulder or not..IF YOU EVER have the misfortune to visit one..DO YOURSELF A FAVOR, BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM FIRST WITH YOUR "GOOD" ARM. It's been propably 8 years and I'm still pissed at that weasle. FINALLY: It's probably a good idea to keep a telephone number of an emergency contact person on your person or your bike when you're riding (Yes, Group rides too.) You know which people in your life are best equipped to hear stressful news... Uhh...hospital Volunteers can be friggin' idiots too. I told this lady (hospital volunteer) to call my Pop (Dad rides & knows that spills happen) I tell her "Tell my Dad that I'm FINE and that I need some clothes, and to come pick me up." She calls my Dad at work and says "Sir, I'm sorry to inform you that your Son has been in a motorcycle accident" Dad replies, "wha?...IS..is he okay? Then lady genius says, "Well...he's awake...and he's SMILING..." I swear, Pops thought he was grabbing some clothes to dress his SMILING VEGETABLE of a son." (No such luck, it was time for a burger.) Nowadays, he sometimes considers the merits if he could have a smiling vegetable for a Son... :-) -Corbett '99K1200RS --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone > broken while riding? > > Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy > wood!) : ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 05:43:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D9h1827380 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id r.4a.8122432 (4587); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:42:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4a.8122432.269ee919@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:42:49 EDT Subject: Re: Light flashing!? To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/12/00 11:25:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX writes: << With a little luck the tailgater will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just fade back and watch the show develop... >> You know, in every crowd....there's some one with a good idea.... Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 05:48:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D9mo827459 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Cfbq-0000H0-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:48:47 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Corbett B Cc: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Light flashing!? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:54:15 GMT Message-ID: <396eb829.95328415@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000713032416.16114.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000713032416.16114.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6D9mq827460 On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:24:16 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" car |>coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the |>tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater |>will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just |>fade back and watch the show develop... Those little shows can be scary... I try to be ready to hop over 3 lanes! to get the hell out of the way if somethign happens. I was near the MCI center I think it was friday or saturday night.. i was on a 2 lane street (and a parking lane), in the right lane.. I saw a parked car ahead, then on the other side of that, the tale section of a crown vic, and headlights. I wasnt' going to fast, but not sure if i was going slow enough to stop, but sure enough.. as I was passing the car, the crown vic (wait i think it was a caprice) was pulling out of the parking lot. I immediately hit a far left lean (and my air horn), no traffic, crossed over the double yellow line, and at the same time the caprice pulled out blocking both of my legal lanes , and stopped, short of hiting me. WHEW! thank goodness for being prepared and trusting the car to do the wrong thing. Thankfully the driver wasn't driving wildly doing any peel outs or excessive accelleration or i'd be making a claim right now and picking colors on what gixxer 750 I would like heh. I don't really blame the car though..the parked car blocked his view of me.. The by standers were probably like "woah he almost got creamed, good think he can handle that bike" hehe. BTW a zx7 went down last week, an exhaust system from an automobile came off, a car tried to avoid it, hit it, and sent it flying towards the zx7. The rider leaned trying to avoid it, it took out the front wheel and down he went. Minor damage was to the bike, and the rider wasn't too bad either.. although he was said ot have been laying face down on 495. I guess that's enough emphasis for my point.. be ready to hop over more than one lane when the sh@# hit's the fan. One lane may not nearly be enough. I try to be aware of where the trafic is in all lanes around me. Just thought i'd share the idea for those who may not have thought about it. hey ya know.. this paranoia I had before riding is now comign in handy lol. I like how I'm paranoid about 18 wheelers kicking off some tire tread.. and I try not to ride behind them or in the lane next to them.. or if there is no lane 1 farther over, then I'll speed past them and stay in front. maybe we should make a list of do's/don'ts/ things to watch out for, on the dc-cycles.org homepage.. not everyone on the list has the experience and wisdom of the elders and it could benifit others :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 07:36:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DBa5829093 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713113557.13919.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:35:57 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Light flashing!? To: Corbett B , chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And I thought I was the only one to do this... I'm with you though, I keep very aware of my surroundings and notice people coming up and move to the right, that is if they just happen to be going faster then me! Glenn --- Corbett B wrote: > You know, I almost never have a tailgate > problem...I'm > either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of an > "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him > reaching > my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) If > I'm > stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move to > his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" > car > coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the > tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater > will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just > fade back and watch the show develop... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 07:58:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DBw5829391 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-18.patriot.net [209.249.180.18]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DBvjs21267; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:57:47 -0400 Message-ID: <396DAD13.CF508734@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:50:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Corbett B , chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Light flashing!? References: <20000713113557.13919.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nope, me too. Commuting or tooling down the hiwy for parts unknown and distant, I amuse myself by laying back and observing stupid driving tricks in action. I shouldn't admit it but I often provide commentary. "Oh, man, whada dumbass!" Or "Yeah, go for it asshole, come on, kick it!" *crunch* har har har Umm... yes, I do get a bit of evil statisfaction seeing a jerk bend upo his/her cage. Best of last year was Ms Makeup Queen who launched her econo-box onto 395 without a clue, sideswiped Abdul's taxi, spun around, and slid backwards along the jersey barriar - sparks and metal screeching - AND, Ms Makeup Queen with a surprised look, lipstick still in her paw... Methinks she was having a bad hair day :-) Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > And I thought I was the only one to do this... I'm > with you though, I keep very aware of my surroundings > and notice people coming up and move to the right, > that is if they just happen to be going faster then > me! > > Glenn > > --- Corbett B wrote: > > You know, I almost never have a tailgate > > problem...I'm > > either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of an > > "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him > > reaching > > my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) If > > I'm > > stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move to > > his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" > > car > > coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the > > tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater > > will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just > > fade back and watch the show develop... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 08:03:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.lmi.org (home.lmi.org [198.3.128.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DC3J829488 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.lmi.org ([10.0.0.2]) by home.lmi.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:03:09 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mail.lmi.org (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA963489789; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:03:10 -0400 Message-Id: <0007139634.AA963489789@mail.lmi.org> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:01:00 -0400 From: "Brian Roberson" To: Subject: RE: Intercounty Connector MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail