From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 00:58:29 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:58:27 -0400 I'm not attempting to be hypocritical at all. If they want to abolish helmet laws, so be it. I could care less. As far as you argument goes about most americans thinking that motorcycling is stupid, fine...that's their opinion and they are entitled to it, just like I am. However, it is a calculated risk, and I protect myself as much as possible when riding. I wear a DOT and SNELL certified Shoei RF-800 helmet, padded and armored Dainese gloves and Alpinestars roadracing boots, and a *widely* acclaimed two-piece Aerostich Roadcrafter. I am as safe as possible, and don't drive like a nut. My logic isn't danger = stupid. My logic is not taking reasonible precautions in the presence of dangerous acts is stupid. I rock climb, plan on skydiving for my birthday this year, cliff dive (err...and off bridges too), etc. However, I don't do such acts blindly, and plan ahead to try to stay alive for as long as possible. I have no plans, and no desire to die an early death. BTW, it's a fucking opinion, and I've stated that. Chill out. Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Ehlert" To: "Kirt S." Cc: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 > i can see you win allot of debates... with your > contradictory logic because on one hand you want to > have freedom of choice.... yet you persist on > upholding laws that take away your choice. > > The majority of Americans would strongly agree that > riding a motorcycle (even with helmet and full body > iron) is extremely dangerous.... and stupid to ride > such machinery in the presents of big metal moving > objects as in cars trucks etc... that will ultimately > win in an event of collision. Having said that.... > according to your logic of danger = stupid AND the > majority of people agree that motorcycling is > extremely dangerous(with the ultimate riding gear).... > then we have no other choice but to legislate a law > that would take away the right to operate a > motorcycle!!!! > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > Freedom of choice = good > > choosing not to wear a helmet = bad > > > > I have access to a shotgun if someone who rides with > > no helmet wants to see > > what happens when their head hits the pavement at > > 60mph... > > > > Retarded might not be the most PC way of expressing > > that thought, however > > even some retarded children wear helmets on a daily > > basis. > > > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > people who die because they > > are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves. > > So thusly, if you CHOOSE > > to not wear a helmet, you ARE stupid as far as I'm > > concerned. And I'm not > > talking once or twice, or "around the block". This > > is for the people that > > do it on a regular basis (including those that wear > > the utterly useless > > skullcaps and nazi-esque German-style helmets). The > > planet is better > > without them, they are wasting my air, and they are > > giving motorcycling a > > bad name. > > > > My opinions, no more, no less. > > > > Kirt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Corbett B" > > To: "DC Cycles" > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:25 AM > > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > > digest for 06/29/00 > > > > > > > Gosh Kirt, sorry to get your wool in a bunch. > > > > > > I'm a little concerned that you would think > > freedom of > > > choice "retarded." Keep sending in those > > > thought-provoking suggetions. > > > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > > I wish there was a way to accelerate Darwin's > > > > survivlal of the fittest > > > > theory thingy. we should just group all the > > > > non-helmet wearing retards and > > > > stick them in a one big walled in Wal-Mart > > parking > > > > lot, and shod their bikes > > > > with crappy cheng shin tires. In the rain. > > > > > > > > Kirt > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > > anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 01:07:41 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:07:41 -0400 I didn't crash, because I purposely didn't even come close to my normal comfort level and said twisty roads. I took it easy that day, and I've been taking it easy since my brakes haven't been at 100% effectiveness. I also stated that. I know my comfort level, and in my opinion, I think I've approached it only a few times in 5 years of street riding. Normally, I try and stay well below it, and with a passenger the riding is even more sedate. My "unsuspecting passenger" is precisely not that, as she knows full well the dangers of riding on the back of the bike and has seen my scars to prove how badly one can be hurt. She *chooses* to ride, and I've taken steps to insure that she is protected as financially possible. She currently has nice olympia gloves (the best I could find that fit her small hands), a brand new RF-800 that I bought her because my 2 extra helmets are too big for her, and about the heaviest fucking leather jacket I could get. A good set of riding pants are on order, and I actually plan on buying her an aerostich for herself as soon as financially possible. Also, I've never asked for anyones sympathy, so I don't give a shit how anyone feels when and if I die riding a motorcycle. My girlfriend feels the same way. Thusly, that counter-point of yours in invalid. Kirt PS - if anything, the brakes being slightly out of whack on my F4 has made me a better rider, as I'm learning to be even more smooth and have improved my ability to judge corner entry speed and adjust suitably via engine braking and steering quicker. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Gimer" To: "Kirt S." ; Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:40 PM Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > people who die because they > > are too fucking stupid to take care of themselves. > > So when you and your [unsuspecting] passenger wreck > because you're cruising around on steep, twisty > mountain roads with admittedly inadequate brakes, can > we feel the same way? > > Talk about a hipocrite! > > > -- > tg > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 02:31:02 2000 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: ---> To: "Kirt S." Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Kirt excellent.... i am glad you do not oppose people trying to abolish frivolous laws(including the helmet law)in the somewhat free USA..... i applaud your safety creed... anyway note to anybody..... what a great riding day!! it was for friday... looks like sat as well. Anybody interested in flying.. i am a flight instructor on the weekends... so if you would also like to make aviation apart of your adventure in your life... give me an email. ok so i have a question...... back to useless laws seeding tyranny instead of freedom .... if the government is so concerned with my self-preservation while operating a motorcycle..... why do they let people smoke cigarettes??????? FREE THINKER.... matt_ehlert@XXXXXX --- "Kirt S." wrote: > I'm not attempting to be hypocritical at all. If > they want to abolish > helmet laws, so be it. I could care less. > > As far as you argument goes about most americans > thinking that motorcycling > is stupid, fine...that's their opinion and they are > entitled to it, just > like I am. However, it is a calculated risk, and I > protect myself as much > as possible when riding. I wear a DOT and SNELL > certified Shoei RF-800 > helmet, padded and armored Dainese gloves and > Alpinestars roadracing boots, > and a *widely* acclaimed two-piece Aerostich > Roadcrafter. I am as safe as > possible, and don't drive like a nut. > > My logic isn't danger = stupid. My logic is not > taking reasonible > precautions in the presence of dangerous acts is > stupid. I rock climb, plan > on skydiving for my birthday this year, cliff dive > (err...and off bridges > too), etc. However, I don't do such acts blindly, > and plan ahead to try to > stay alive for as long as possible. I have no > plans, and no desire to die > an early death. > > BTW, it's a fucking opinion, and I've stated that. > Chill out. > > Kirt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Ehlert" > To: "Kirt S." > Cc: > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 5:16 PM > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > digest for 06/29/00 > > > > i can see you win allot of debates... with your > > contradictory logic because on one hand you want > to > > have freedom of choice.... yet you persist on > > upholding laws that take away your choice. > > > > The majority of Americans would strongly agree > that > > riding a motorcycle (even with helmet and full > body > > iron) is extremely dangerous.... and stupid to > ride > > such machinery in the presents of big metal moving > > objects as in cars trucks etc... that will > ultimately > > win in an event of collision. Having said that.... > > according to your logic of danger = stupid AND the > > majority of people agree that motorcycling is > > extremely dangerous(with the ultimate riding > gear).... > > then we have no other choice but to legislate a > law > > that would take away the right to operate a > > motorcycle!!!! > > > > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > Freedom of choice = good > > > choosing not to wear a helmet = bad > > > > > > I have access to a shotgun if someone who rides > with > > > no helmet wants to see > > > what happens when their head hits the pavement > at > > > 60mph... > > > > > > Retarded might not be the most PC way of > expressing > > > that thought, however > > > even some retarded children wear helmets on a > daily > > > basis. > > > > > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > > people who die because they > > > are too fucking stupid to take care of > themselves. > > > So thusly, if you CHOOSE > > > to not wear a helmet, you ARE stupid as far as > I'm > > > concerned. And I'm not > > > talking once or twice, or "around the block". > This > > > is for the people that > > > do it on a regular basis (including those that > wear > > > the utterly useless > > > skullcaps and nazi-esque German-style helmets). > The > > > planet is better > > > without them, they are wasting my air, and they > are > > > giving motorcycling a > > > bad name. > > > > > > My opinions, no more, no less. > > > > > > Kirt > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Corbett B" > > > To: "DC Cycles" > > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 10:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > > > digest for 06/29/00 > > > > > > > > > > Gosh Kirt, sorry to get your wool in a bunch. > > > > > > > > I'm a little concerned that you would think > > > freedom of > > > > choice "retarded." Keep sending in those > > > > thought-provoking suggetions. > > > > > > > > -Corbett > > > > > > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > > > I wish there was a way to accelerate > Darwin's > > > > > survivlal of the fittest > > > > > theory thingy. we should just group all the > > > > > non-helmet wearing retards and > > > > > stick them in a one big walled in Wal-Mart > > > parking > > > > > lot, and shod their bikes > > > > > with crappy cheng shin tires. In the rain. > > > > > > > > > > Kirt > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access > from > > > anywhere! > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 09:47:13 2000 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:46:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles digest for 06/29/00 To: "Kirt S." , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- "Kirt S." wrote: > I didn't crash, because I purposely didn't even come > close to my normal > comfort level and said twisty roads. I took it easy > that day, and I've been > taking it easy since my brakes haven't been at 100% > effectiveness. I also > stated that. I know my comfort level, and in my > opinion, I think I've > approached it only a few times in 5 years of street > riding. Normally, I try > and stay well below it, and with a passenger the > riding is even more sedate. > My "unsuspecting passenger" is precisely not that, > as she knows full well > the dangers of riding on the back of the bike and > has seen my scars to prove > how badly one can be hurt. She *chooses* to ride, > and I've taken steps to > insure that she is protected as financially > possible. She currently has > nice olympia gloves (the best I could find that fit > her small hands), a > brand new RF-800 that I bought her because my 2 > extra helmets are too big > for her, and about the heaviest fucking leather > jacket I could get. A good > set of riding pants are on order, and I actually > plan on buying her an > aerostich for herself as soon as financially > possible. So you're riding around in a full suit and she's got jeans on? What a guy. Reminds me of somebody I know (and you know who you are!) And yes, she is 'unsuspecting' if she's riding around on the back of your bike without having read your earlier posts regarding your brakes. > Also, I've never asked for anyones sympathy, so I > don't give a shit how > anyone feels when and if I die riding a motorcycle. > My girlfriend feels the > same way. Thusly, that counter-point of yours in > invalid. Sorry....but I don't see it that way. And all that I've gathered from your posts on this subject are the following: 1. For some reason you're really fired up over bikers who don't wear helments. I think your argument is: freedom of choice is a good thing, but only smart people should be able to exercise it. 2. You fit your own definition of 'retard' by taking part in numerous high-risk behaviors. Sorry to be harsh, but I'm just following your logic. > Kirt > > PS - if anything, the brakes being slightly out of > whack on my F4 has made > me a better rider, as I'm learning to be even more > smooth and have improved > my ability to judge corner entry speed and adjust > suitably via engine > braking and steering quicker. Engine braking on a 600cc inline four? I love it. And your brakes aren't 'slightly out of whack' if you post to the list 3 times about how fucking dangerous they are. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Gimer" > To: "Kirt S." ; > > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: You bunch of helmets! RE: dc-cycles > digest for 06/29/00 > > > --- "Kirt S." wrote: > > > Basically what I'm saying is, I don't mourn for > > > people who die because they > > > are too fucking stupid to take care of > > > themselves. > > > > So when you and your [unsuspecting] passenger > ? wreck > > because you're cruising around on steep, twisty > > mountain roads with admittedly inadequate brakes, > > can we feel the same way? > > > > Talk about a hipocrite! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 10:41:42 2000 From: "Bill Creitz" To: Subject: Maryland roads, continued Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:41:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFE348.E2FC4FC0 Kurt S. and Bryan M., To continue our discussion of Maryland roads, south and west of Frederick... Bryan mentioned MD 77 across Catoctin Mountain and MD 550 from Thurmont to Fort Richie -- great roads, both. There's a spot near Fort Richie that's worth checking out. Approaching the fort gate on 550, turn right (down the hill), left (at the bottom of the hill) on Pennsylvania Road, then at the stop sign go straight onto Pen Mar High Rock Road. At the top of the long upgrade, park in the gravel area where the road takes a sharp left. There is a spectacular overlook here. This is a favorite launching spot for hang gliders (now that's one group that's crazier than motorcyclists!). Leaving Fort Richie, I like to take MD 491 south. It follows the ridge down to Smithsburg. Other good roads south and west of Frederick: Mountville Road, from New Design Road west to Jefferson (SSW of Frederick). MD 383 west from Jefferson. Where MD 383 takes a sharp right, go straight on Gapland Road, through Burkittsville and through Gathland State Park. Burnside Bridge Road: >From MD 67, take Trego Road north. In Mt. Briar (which is just an old house or two), left on Porterstown Road, then immediately bear left on Burnside Bridge Road (caution: there was detour around the best parts of Burnside Bridge Road last month). Trego Mountain Road between Trego and Harpers Ferry Road. Harpers Ferry Road between Sharpsburg and Sandy Hook. The north end of Harpers Ferry Road can be hard to find. On Main Street (MD 34) in Sharpsburg, turn south on Mechanic Street -- it becomes Harpers Ferry Road. Follow the Maryland Scenic Route signs. Sandy Hook gets overrun with picnickers and innertube rafters on summer weekends, so watch for pedestrians. Follow the road -- first under the railroad tracks, then around the end of the mountain and over the railroad tracks. MD 17 between Brunswick and MD 77. I'm looking for suggestions on good roads in the mountains west of Hagerstown. Any ideas? Bill Creitz 98 Road King ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFE348.E2FC4FC0 BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Creitz;William;W. 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Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 15:20:35 2000 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: ATV restriction To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Bill, Not knowing the background of the law, can you shed some more light?? By this new law are they saying that it is illegal to own and store an ATV/ORV within city limits?? Or is it more sensible and banning ORV/ATV USE within city limits... If the latter, I don't see that as unreasonable at all...ORVs just don't have the noise reduction of a street going vehicle....I sure as hell wouldn't want someone riding a KXYZCR whatever around my neighborhood... I know how loud my KX125 is, and it has a stock pipe on it..... However, I'm all for the promotion of more LEGAL offroad riding areas.... too many of em are being pressured out of existance and it is very sad.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 15:39:19 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:39:09 EDT Subject: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were involved can post details if they'd like to. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 16:04:44 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:07:02 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki Subject: Saturday ride - not the best We had a glorious day for riding today. And 20+ people showed up at the Sheetz to ride. But you know what they way about the best laid plans... With that many people, we decided that it would be best to sub-divide into at least 2, if not 3, groups of riders -- with Danny taking the lead. Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my knowledge, was not seen again. The rest of us took Old Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton to get to Crest Rd. and then onto Flint Hill and 211. I was riding sweep and saw a bunch off guys both on and off motorcycles to the side of the road. My first thought was that someone went down. Fortunately, that was not the case. Broken chain. Rider on a Yam FZR (sorry, but I know I didn't meet everyone and I also know I can't remember everyone's names!) After finding out what had happened I continued up the road to catch Danny and the rest of the group. Well, I guess they figured out something was wrong because I eventually caught them back-tracking. Anyway, we re-grouped and hung out in a gravel driveway off the side of the road while Danny called his wife and asked her to bring his truck to load up the FZR to take back to wherever. Danny volunteered to stay and said he would catch up with us at the base of the mountain (Dixie gas/gift shop). Todd Peer got volunteered to lead the "front" group out to Flint Hill and 211. I led the "back" group out after giving Todd a few minutes head start. On the way up the mountain, I noticed Han Park (and his bike, purple F2) standing on the side of the road. He looked calm and relaxed so I figured he was just taking a break (strange place for a break) and/or waiting for us (but why?) It turns out that Han and Fred (having lost Sanath) beat everyone to the mountain and had made at least one (if not two) runs already (even before the front group). What I didn't know at the time was that Han had lowsided in one of the turns. Fortunately, he was OK (although I have absolutely no idea how his butt managed to survive sliding wearing only jeans!) As best we could tell, the damage was mostly cosmetic (scuffed up left side fairing and broken windshield). But the F2 was ridable. The culprit in this accident may have been the front tire. Upon inspection, it was more than apparent that the tire had seen better days. Further up the road, there was a bit of chaos with lots of bikes off to the side and lots of people giving the "slow down" signal. Apparently, Kirt Senser (F4) also lowsided. The culprit in this accident was in all likelihood sand/gravel in the road. Bannon was riding in front of Kirt and he said he felt his back end step out and then looked in his mirrors and saw Kirt going down. BTW, I didn't witness either Han's or Kirt's crashes so others may have better details about what happened. Anyway, Kirt was/is OK. For those that are wondering, Aerostitch suits work! But his bike was/is not. The damage was more than cosmetic. In fact, it was not ridable back down the mountain. I went to the top and turned around to re-group with whoever was either at the top and/or following me. I then went back down the mountain and just waited/chilled at the Dixie gas/gift shop (there were already lots of lots of people helping out at the side of the road). Eventually, everyone drifted back down the mountain and parked it. Kirt caught a ride on the back of someone's m/c and left his F4 up on the mountain. We all waited for Danny to show up to figure out how best to handle this particular situation. When he finally did, Danny called the Honda Owner's Club to get a truck to come out to get Kirt's bike. Once again, Danny volunteered to stick around until help arrived. I was running out of riding time, so announced that I was heading back to civilization. Todd Peer led those who still wanted to ride up over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal. Hopefully, the rest of their ride was uneventful. A handful of us basically back-tracked on most of the roads we rode out on and went back to Marshall and eventually got on I-66 (at 15) to drone back in. I know I got 200 miles of riding, but definitely not "quality" miles. Certainly, not the best of days riding. I am glad that Han and Kirt are OK (even though there bikes are in various states of not-OK). I hope the rest of the ride with Todd went OK for everyone. I would've like to joined, but had to be home at 2pm and got home pretty much on time. I'm still doing the Monday ride leaving from The Java Shack at 9:30am (meet for espressos/lattes at 9am). We'll go up into Montgomery and Frederick Counties. 2-3 hours of riding. I've got some roads I want to check out so the pace won't be blistering. Everyone have a safe and happy 4th of July! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 16:05:46 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:08:11 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES Fred, I hate hearing this! I just posted to the list saying I hoped all went well on the continuation of the ride led by Todd. Not good news. Chuck FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were > involved can post details if they'd like to. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 17:04:33 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: big mistake-lesson learned Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:10:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFE37F.47D42360 When I first started reading the list, I never spoke up, but as a = beginner rider, I learned from everything that was talked about. Today = I did something really stupid and I hate to admit it, but hopefully = beginner riders will learn from my mistake and experienced riders will = be reminded to always think clearly. As not to go into the details for fear of embarrassing the hell out of = myself, lol, I will just give you a general word of advice. When you begin to ride in groups, make sure you know that whatever = decision the person in front of you makes may not be the best decision = for you. As a rider, you have to remember that what you decide = ultimately affects you, so think clearly before deciding to do anything = (especially while passing a car when you can't fully see what is coming = the other direction.) I made an assumption today that could have gotten = me in a serious wreck. It scared the hell out of me. The decision the = rider in front of me made was right for him because he had a better view = of the road, but it wasn't right for me, and I almost learned a real = hard lesson..as I would have been the new hood ornament on the car = coming the other direction. We all make mistakes, that's part of riding, and I definitely learned = from mine. Not only did I do something stupid, but I'm sure I scared = the crap out of the driver of the car. Think clearly and ride safe. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFE37F.47D42360
When I first started reading the list, = I never=20 spoke up, but as a beginner rider, I learned from everything that was = talked=20 about.  Today I did something really stupid and I hate to admit it, = but=20 hopefully beginner riders will learn from my mistake and experienced = riders will=20 be reminded to always think clearly.
 
As not to go into the details for fear = of=20 embarrassing the hell out of myself, lol, I will just give you a general = word of=20 advice.
 
When you begin to ride in groups, make = sure you=20 know that whatever decision the person in front of you makes may not be = the best=20 decision for you.  As a rider, you have to remember that what you = decide=20 ultimately affects you, so think clearly before deciding to do anything=20 (especially while passing a car when you can't fully see what is = coming=20 the other direction.)  I made an assumption today that could = have=20 gotten me in a serious wreck.  It scared the hell out of me.  = The=20 decision the rider in front of me made was right for him because he had = a better=20 view of the road, but it wasn't right for me, and I almost learned a = real hard=20 lesson..as I would have been the new hood ornament on the car coming the = other=20 direction.
 
We all make mistakes, that's part of = riding, and I=20 definitely learned from mine.  Not only did I do something stupid, = but I'm=20 sure I scared the crap out of the driver of the car. Think clearly and = ride=20 safe.
 
Laura Granato
'99 Suzuki GS500
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFE37F.47D42360-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 18:11:21 2000 From: "Kirt S." To: Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:11:21 -0400 First thing I want to say is that I'm sorry. Accidents happen, and I'm sorry one had to happen to me while on this group ride, and summarily have said accident screw up/slow down the ride for everyone else. Secondly, I want to thank EVERYONE that helped me out after the accident, and I extend extra special thanks to Danny Thompson. Danny helped me out a bunch, by getting my bike towed via HRCA, and then getting me hooked up with the good guy sover a Blalock cycles. On to the crash details. I believe it was probably about six or so of the sharper turns into the twisty parts of 211, a sharp slightly uphill lefthander (immediately followed by a relatively sharp right hander). I had already slid tires two or three times so far, as it seemed like there might have been stuff in a few of the earlier turns, and Bannon agreed with me on this after the wreck. Thusly, I was going (relatively) slowly, and as I leaned into the turn everything looked good. The bike felt settled, I was in a good position, hanging off a little, and everything was working good. I didn't go in to hot or anything, but right as I was apexing (is that a word?) in the middle of the turn, I saw that there was an *awful lot* of what appeared to be sand in the turn, from about a foot over in the oncoming lanes to a good 4 feet inside the lane I was in. I had a quick decision to make, and figured 1.) I can stand the bike up, and try to swing wide around it (which probably would've left me in the ditch on the side of the road), or 2.) I could stay on the gas and hopefully maybe slide a little and have the tires catch and continue on. Well, I chose 2, smoothly continued rolling on the gas, didn't change my steering input at all (going deeper into the turn would've still resulted in sand and also me going into oncoming traffic), and thought to myself "oh shit, I hope I pull through ok...". Obviously I didn't, and almost instantaneously upon hitting the sand, the bike went down. I let go when I realized it was un-recoverable, and ended up on my chest, and the quicly on my back sliding down the road after my bike. Last I saw, the bike was spinning along on the alternator cover. I don't know how the bike hit the ditch, but I think it went in topside first, leading with the tail. I slid to a stop, and thanfully the VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who was behind me managed to not run me over. :-) Then came the long string of expletives aimed at the sky, and a quick look down at myself to make sure everything was attached. Basically, about 6-7 people stopped with me, helped me get it out of the ditch, and I rolled it back down the road a little bit to a clearing on the side of the road. To make a long story short, I have escaped with virtually no injuries, excepting being quite sore, a bruised ego, and a serious bout of depression rolling in as I write this. I rode down with Bob on his ST1100, and then we waitied for Danny. Danny called the HRCA, arranged for towing, and kept me company when everyone else (understandably) went on their way. A fellow on an EX500 (I think) stayed too, although I'm crappy with names and couldn't tell you his to save my life. Thanks to him too. :-) Here's what's damaged... -Fairing Upper and windshield crushed (somehow) on their way into the ditch. -Instrument Panel crushed underneath Fairing Upper -All the left side plastic -Tail plastic on the side that touched the groung, and also numerous scratches along the top (?!?) -HUGE dent on both side of the wheel (in the same place), but with no scratches presumably from something that occured in the ditch. Loss of tire pressure too. -Alternator Cover (duh) -Shift Lever -Turn Signal -Left Footpeg -Left Clipon and bar-end -Probably some other stuff I'm forgetting/didn't notice yet (like the forks...pretty sure these are shot) However, I can't say enough good things about my Aerostich. Considering what happened, my Roadcrafter is in pretty damn good shape. Both knees are shot, and there are numerous scuff marks all over from sliding. It did save my body pretty damn good though, and I'm going to be sending it home to the Aerostich Factory to get fixed up. Can't say the same about my gloves, although they did the job, the left glove (Dainese) is missing almost the entire area that covers the "heel" of your palm. My hand is in great shape, and only has little scratches. These scratches actually occured at the very end of the slide, when I put my hand down to see if I was still sliding. I was. The hole already ground through the glove let a little skin touch, but at that point I was probably only sliding at about 10 mph. Boots are in pretty good shape, and so is my helmet, although I will be double checking that thoroughly tonight. Tank bag is ruined and was thrown from the bike during the accident. So there you have it. The thing that kills me the most about it though, is where the fuck did that sand come from. This was like *SAND* not, gravel, not even the dirt that's on the side of the road on 211. It's like sand that you would find at the beach, and there was PLENTY of it... Maybe it fell off somoenes car or truck or something. Ah well....gonna go call my insurance company now. Thanks again to everyone, and I'm sorry I screwed up the ride... Kirt Senser 99 F4 (wounded) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 18:39:30 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: rides today... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:29:43 -0700 is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to read more and more like DC Sportbiker... Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. Be it from lack of maintenance on the riders part (the chain and front tire today), to lack of awareness of your surroundings (the bent rims, and sand episode). And then the all-to-common 'riding over your head' episodes. Yea, I can think of a thousand excuses for all of them too.. so save it. Maybe it's time for everyone to reevaluate what riding means to them.. are you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? If so, then allow your tires to go bald, skip the regular maintenance and upkeep on the bike and continue riding in your traditional reckless manor. But perhaps you should also hang a sign on your bike so the people who don't want to accept YOUR risks can quietly depart to have a fun and SAFE ride by themselves. But those are the people it's relatively easy to pick out of a crowd... what about those who just don't pay attention to their surroundings? Well, those people are a little harder to finger until they toss a bike, or pull a bonehead move infront of others. That's mostly true with those who ride over their heads. And, yes.. I've been guilty of all of the above.. and I got tired of the shit being on my conscious all the time. I fixed the bike and haven't had a problem with it since.. I got onto the racetrack to raise my ability on the bike so I wasn't pushing my limits so damn much when out with groups and riding with friends. And I made the mental change to open my eyes more, though that still does slip every now and again where I invite trouble. But the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to the bikes or ourselves. I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. *shaking his head* Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 19:46:10 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:45:56 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best To: ksenser@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/00 18:14:29 Eastern Daylight Time, ksenser@XXXXXX writes: > Well, I chose 2 And a good choice it was too... A lowside is almost always better than a highside - especially if there are guard rails involved so that one is launched out into space for an indeterminate distance. Glad to hear that the safety gear did its stuff Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 21:24:32 2000 From: "No Body" To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, bpwysoc@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:24:22 EDT >Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off >of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really >noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we >were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, >somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my >knowledge, was not seen again. I was riding with Fred and Han when a nice stretch of road appeared before, us, unable to resist, I took off for a quick zip up the road not realising that the turnoff was coming up. To make a long story short I rode back the way I came, rode up and down some roads could not find anyone, called my girlfriend at home to read me ride direction (I knew I should have printed them out) from the email, didnt think I would be able to catch up, so rode home with some random riders. Sorry to hear about all the mishaps on this ride, hope Kirt and Han will be back in action soon. This is a three out of three for me, every DC-Cycles ride I have been on, something has happened -mass ticketing, falling on my ass, that guy hitting a pot hole denting his rims etc. I guess you live and learn, still love group rides and will be on that ride on Monday. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 22:32:30 2000 Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:33:56 -0400 From: "Paul A. Wilson" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/00 > From: "Brian McCoy" > Subject: rides today... > Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:29:43 -0700 > is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to > read more and more like DC Sportbiker... > > Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself > included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. > .. > are > you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the > risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's > property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? .. > > I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial > day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - > but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, > I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through > e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. > > *shaking his head* > > Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. I think you're overreacting just a hair. As others say constantly, in a group situation ride your own ride. My day certainly wasn't "ruined" by the mishaps. I'm sure the riders who went down consider their days were "ruined" far more than any inconvenience I experienced. The aftermath of the incidents were handled in a responsible manner. If I ever overcook a turn on 211 I hope there's a group around to help me out, instead of relying on other motorists or the state troopers. I don't let the mob mentality take over. If I feel I'm not up to riding at the group pace, I slow down, pull over, turn around, go off on my own, etc. That said, I did feel the pace was a little too aggressive for me on the back roads, especially in the narrow cow path leading up to Flint Hill when the yellow line disappears. I spent the balance of day riding solo. After we split up at the Dixie, I rode up to Winchester to drop in on a friend and then came east via 50, Mt. Weather and Snickersville Tpk. By the way, I was on the Nighthawk today and it was my first DC-Cycles ride. Thinking about going on the Monday ride too, if it's still on. -- Paul A. Wilson Washington DC From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 1 23:22:54 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:24:03 -0700 I don't think I did/am overreacting in the least. One can talk all they want about 'riding your own ride' and 'be safe'... the law of averages seems to be demonstrating that people attending DC-Cycles rides this years are unable to control their vehicles in an appropriate manor for the speeds they are riding. Obviously, there are always those people who have the experience to ride through such situations (like everyone else who rode through the sand on 211..) I'm just saying that instead of saying 'Oh, it was the Sands fault I crashed', or 'I couldn't help that my chain came apart'... whatever other situations there might be (I'm using these 2 because they're documented in todays posts), that you stop and thoroughly analyze why the situation might have occurred, and what could have been done to keep it from happening... hell, how to protect against it in the future. It's something that EVERYONE must do if you're riding in a group.... do you Really want to be the bike right behind someone who looses a chain because they haven't replaced a missing master link clip - not only might you have to watch someone crash right infront of you, but frequently those things come flying violently rearward. It hurts being hit with bugs and little tiny pebbles.. you want to have a chain whack you across the chest? Everyone that's gone on a group ride knows full well where their comfort limits are, and I'm willing to bet that at some time, everyone's ridden outside those limits. Everyone SHOULD know basic maintenance things to check on a bike, and if they aren't up to par - don't go out with a group. As for always being aware, I remember my first 'group' ride with Glenn Dyasrt and 3 others (don't recall the names)... there was a new rider on a 95? VFR behind me, didn't notice us stopping OR didn't have the experience to stop his bike quickly enough and he clipped my arm and mirror with his and she went by... a couple inches to the right and we both would have had an end to riding that day, and maybe for quite some time. You're NOT just endangering your life and livelihood when riding in a group and you should act accordingly damnit! Everyone on these rides should be an adult (I don't imagine to many younger people being online and able to afford a motorcycle - I think Brad Fass is one of the youngest...) As a working adult, you should also know your responsibilities and act in an appropriate manor. If you want to get wild and ride hard on the streets... find a group of likeminded people (WSDYMFG comes to mind - as a previous member) and go play amongst yourselves. *sighs* I remember a time where there were NO crash reports on the group rides - those were reserved for Collin and I from the racetrack... now it seems that more people are tossing it away on the streets while the racers are keeping the shiny side up. I'd just love to see the trend go towards EVERYONE staying on 2 wheels (or intermittent 1 if that's your choice :) ALL the time. Think about it. Brian McCoy - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:23:28 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: "Brian McCoy" , "dc" Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 00:30:23 -0400 I'm sorry that you feel so disappointed with the list at this moment, but I don't think that everyone should be talked down to, as some people (probably most) take excellent care of their bikes and ride responsibly. Yes, there are some people that don't take care of their bikes as well as others, and yes, there are people that push their limits, but from what many people tell me (I think you, too, at some point) that you HAVE to push your limits at some point to learn. Not all of us have an interest in racing or the capabilities to get into it, so we just have to accept learning on the street in uncontrolled conditions that may not be prime for increasing confidence, abilities, etc. Many of us ride for the pure enjoyment of riding, not because we want to see who we can outrace from point A to point B. I am truly happy for you that you are not having the said *incidents* that some of us are having, but the way that I see it...this list is a place to share our thoughts about riding and learn from each other. So, today I learned my lesson, AND I learned to make sure that my tires are well taken care of and that my bike always has proper maintenance. I think that is something positive to think about. I think it may have been a little harsh to say you're glad you're not in the area as much...I know for a fact that if you were in the area, you'd be right there enjoying the ride and helping those out who did have problems instead of blasting them. Just had to give my opinion. Sounds like you must be having a bad day. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian McCoy To: dc Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: rides today... > is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to > read more and more like DC Sportbiker... > > Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself > included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. > Be it from lack of maintenance on the riders part (the chain and front tire > today), to lack of awareness of your surroundings (the bent rims, and sand > episode). And then the all-to-common 'riding over your head' episodes. > Yea, I can think of a thousand excuses for all of them too.. so save it. > Maybe it's time for everyone to reevaluate what riding means to them.. are > you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the > risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's > property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? If so, then > allow your tires to go bald, skip the regular maintenance and upkeep on the > bike and continue riding in your traditional reckless manor. But perhaps > you should also hang a sign on your bike so the people who don't want to > accept YOUR risks can quietly depart to have a fun and SAFE ride by > themselves. But those are the people it's relatively easy to pick out of a > crowd... what about those who just don't pay attention to their > surroundings? Well, those people are a little harder to finger until they > toss a bike, or pull a bonehead move infront of others. That's mostly true > with those who ride over their heads. > > And, yes.. I've been guilty of all of the above.. and I got tired of the > shit being on my conscious all the time. I fixed the bike and haven't had a > problem with it since.. I got onto the racetrack to raise my ability on the > bike so I wasn't pushing my limits so damn much when out with groups and > riding with friends. And I made the mental change to open my eyes more, > though that still does slip every now and again where I invite trouble. But > the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride > with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to > the bikes or ourselves. > > I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial > day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - > but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, > I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through > e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. > > *shaking his head* > > Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:51:47 2000 From: "Frank Wegerich" To: "Brian McCoy" Cc: Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 00:55:15 -0400 I think you're right, can't be that 4 people go down during these rides. Even one is one to many. I was on this ride and it was not fun dragging the bikes out of the ditch. Nobody got hurt seriously (thank god) but it seems to be just a matter of time until somebody does .... Frank RT1100 -----Original Message----- From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 23:24 To: dc Subject: Re: rides today... I don't think I did/am overreacting in the least. One can talk all they want about 'riding your own ride' and 'be safe'... the law of averages seems to be demonstrating that people attending DC-Cycles rides this years are unable to control their vehicles in an appropriate manor for the speeds they are riding. Obviously, there are always those people who have the experience to ride through such situations (like everyone else who rode through the sand on 211..) I'm just saying that instead of saying 'Oh, it was the Sands fault I crashed', or 'I couldn't help that my chain came apart'... whatever other situations there might be (I'm using these 2 because they're documented in todays posts), that you stop and thoroughly analyze why the situation might have occurred, and what could have been done to keep it from happening... hell, how to protect against it in the future. It's something that EVERYONE must do if you're riding in a group.... do you Really want to be the bike right behind someone who looses a chain because they haven't replaced a missing master link clip - not only might you have to watch someone crash right infront of you, but frequently those things come flying violently rearward. It hurts being hit with bugs and little tiny pebbles.. you want to have a chain whack you across the chest? Everyone that's gone on a group ride knows full well where their comfort limits are, and I'm willing to bet that at some time, everyone's ridden outside those limits. Everyone SHOULD know basic maintenance things to check on a bike, and if they aren't up to par - don't go out with a group. As for always being aware, I remember my first 'group' ride with Glenn Dyasrt and 3 others (don't recall the names)... there was a new rider on a 95? VFR behind me, didn't notice us stopping OR didn't have the experience to stop his bike quickly enough and he clipped my arm and mirror with his and she went by... a couple inches to the right and we both would have had an end to riding that day, and maybe for quite some time. You're NOT just endangering your life and livelihood when riding in a group and you should act accordingly damnit! Everyone on these rides should be an adult (I don't imagine to many younger people being online and able to afford a motorcycle - I think Brad Fass is one of the youngest...) As a working adult, you should also know your responsibilities and act in an appropriate manor. If you want to get wild and ride hard on the streets... find a group of likeminded people (WSDYMFG comes to mind - as a previous member) and go play amongst yourselves. *sighs* I remember a time where there were NO crash reports on the group rides - those were reserved for Collin and I from the racetrack... now it seems that more people are tossing it away on the streets while the racers are keeping the shiny side up. I'd just love to see the trend go towards EVERYONE staying on 2 wheels (or intermittent 1 if that's your choice :) ALL the time. Think about it. Brian McCoy - MMI Student From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:57:39 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 00:59:50 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: pawilson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/01/00 Paul, The Monday ride is still a go. If you want to have espressos/lattes beforehand, be at The Java Shack in Arlington (http://www.javashack.com) at 9am. We'll hit the road at 9:30am sharp as I absolutely, positively have to be home NLT 1pm, preferably 12:30. Plan on 2-3 hours of riding in Montgomery/Frederick Counties. Cheers, Chuck "Paul A. Wilson" wrote : > > By the way, I was on the Nighthawk today and it was my first DC-Cycles ride. > Thinking about going on the Monday ride too, if it's still on. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 00:58:39 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:01:00 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Brian McCoy CC: dc Subject: Re: rides today... Brian, As the guy who organized today's ride (but was not the official ride leader), let me just say that from what I could see (and I admit I couldn't see everything all the time), people were riding with their heads screwed on straight. Which is to say, not squidly in the least. I truly appreciate your words and thoughts of concern. And they are indeed good ones. Let's all make sure our m/c's are mechanically sound and that we're not running on stuff that needs to be replaced (tires, chains, etc.) And for sure, let's all be aware of what's going on and ride within our limits. I don't think DC-Cycles is turning into DC Sportbiker (and I only know about the latter by reputation and stories, having never ridden with those guys). I just think we've had a run of bad luck of late. Hopefully, things will get turned around. It might help if more folks offered up to lead rides. We could keep group sizes down (I think having 20+ riders may have somehow been a contributing factor to today's unfortunate incidents). And having different rides better geared to varying riding abilities. Right now, I'm just doing the best I can to get some/any rides organized! Regards, Chuck Brian McCoy wrote : > > is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to > read more and more like DC Sportbiker... -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 01:07:27 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 01:09:49 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles CC: Kirt Senser , Han Park , Danny Thompson , Todd Peer , Fred Grefe Subject: Everyone OK? (Saturday ride) I just wanted to check to make sure that everyone is OK after all that happened on today's ride. Kirt's posting confirms that he's doing more or less OK, but clearly his F4 isn't. Han? The guy on the FZR who snapped a chain? And the three other folks who apparently went down (according to Fred's post) who went with Todd Peer up and over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal via 678/675??? Chuck, aka Skittles -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 01:45:52 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:47:05 -0700 Ok.. I've had a couple people comment on the harshness of delivery on my notes.. that's not intended (bad week, don't ask). And I'm NOT trying to point a finger at anyone to single them out as being anything that I, myself, have not once been. I mean, some of the old timers will remember my VF500f.. the one with the cans that fell off constantly.. and that had no suspension.. the one I crashed a couple times on rides... I think that Everyone's guilty of the 3 main things I'm pointing out... unfortunately, *I* had to learn the hard way (the only way I ever learn anything) and I'm attempting to bring these issues to everyone attention. I can remember back when Collin and I did a lot of rides together.. heh, Collin breaking Every rule about a bike in decent keep with Pepe, but he also has a LOT of ability. Anyway, we'd wander through the parking lot looking over the bikes and making note of the ones that had excessive 'chicken stripes', ratty looking chains/sprockets and overly worn tires... those people would usually be watched pretty closely and I remember asking a couple people to ride at the very back of the faster group if they wanted to be there, or drop back a group. It's hard to try and be authoritative to people you generally don't know from Adam - but it does instill a little confidence in the other riders for not having to worry about those things. Chuck, it's Awesome that you're stepping up to try and lead the rides.. and you're 'learning' on the fly. It seems as if there wouldn't BE any group rides without you this summer. That's a good thing... try getting a 'second in command' that you implicitly trust so you're not working so hard. Be a little inquisitive and cautious - even if that means holding the pace down (I think you've made it clear you're not the fastest person on the road and those who want to scream on ahead can do so). At some point you'll notice that you get a lot of repeats and you'll know how they ride and take care of their stuff.... life gets easier because then you just have a few newbies coming along. In the end though... the ride 'leader' shouldn't HAVE to do anything mentioned above. It's the responsibility of the riders... this isn't a daycare afterall. Also, to drag up an old thread (that got hot) is the issue of protective gear... Most people wear at least a jacket, jeans helmet and gloves, but you'll run into those who don't from time to time (*ahem* a main reason behind a group of riders taking their rides private). Heck, if you ARE one of those who doesn't wear all the gear that'll prevent a majority of injury.. think about how many people are going to have to deal with your body in the middle of the road, perhaps bloody from extensive roadrash, perhaps unconscious because of an old or previously dropped/crashed helmet.. perhaps... well, I don't want to go on. Geez.. that brings on yet ANOTHER issue.. who's current on their first aid training? Especially for dealing with shock... anyone carry first-aid kits on their bikes? And so on.. and so on... there are bazillions of MC specific safety-nazi lists/web pages and organizations out there that can really sap the fun from riding. ANYWAY.... geez, where Was my main train of thought. Oh-yea.. people, if you're going to go on a group ride, tone it down! I think the first ride that Chuck led after the Memorial day fiasco was the only one so-far where there were no incidents.. see if you (the attending riders) can make Monday the 2nd. Though, I suppose... at the rate things are going now, all the 'questionable' will soon be out for awhile and unable to ride.. then slower and more cautious when they do join back up. Shoot, but what the hell do I know.. I'm just some 26 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 5 years. Brian McCoy - (I'll probably shut up for good here in a little bit) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:25:20 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:25:07 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/00 21:25:54 Eastern Daylight Time, kewlgt@XXXXXX writes: > Sorry to hear about all the mishaps on this ride, hope Kirt and Han will be > back in action soon. This is a three out of three for me, every DC-Cycles > ride I have been on, something has happened -mass ticketing, falling on my > ass, that guy hitting a pot hole denting his rims etc. I guess you live and > learn, still love group rides and will be on that ride on Monday. One of the great things about group rides is that we get so MANY opportunities to learn... ;-) Michael J. (who did a short EARLY (07:15) ride with the CAMS on Saturday) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:42:46 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:42:28 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: v4mofo@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/1/00 23:24:27 Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > I'm just saying that instead of saying 'Oh, it > was the Sands fault I crashed', or 'I couldn't help that my chain came > apart'... whatever other situations there might be (I'm using these 2 > because they're documented in todays posts), that you stop and thoroughly > analyze why the situation might have occurred, and what could have been done > to keep it from happening As we age (and take longer to heal) we tend to become more cautious. Riding at 10/10ths is fine on the track where one has a controlled environment - groups of people cleaning debris from the pavement, looking out for obstructions ahead, trained medical people close by, etc., etc. One has to back way off from that pace on the street - you NEVER know what's happening around the corner and if you don't leave room to assess the situation and take corrective measures, you're a statistic. Maybe not the first time, but eventually. I'm a LOT faster in the 3rd slot or so of a group than I am when I'm in the lead - reaction time again - the lead bike(s) provide that time to me. Put me up front and I'm just another slow old fart on a motorcycle. The primary rule on the track applies to street rides - You can't win if you don't finish. Michael J. P.S. - For those who haven't read it (or those who haven't read it recently), here's a link to Nick Ienatsch's "The Pace": http://reality.sgi.com/jbrown_corp/pace.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:48:54 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:48:42 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 00:25:27 Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > this list is a place > to share our thoughts about riding and learn from each other Well said - the collective experience of the group is so much greater than any single individual's. Even if something is not immediately relevant to you, it is knowledge, and it increases your awareness. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 08:56:34 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:56:23 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 01:47:19 Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > Shoot, but what the hell do I know.. I'm just some 26 year old punk kid > who's only been riding for 5 years Brian - from a 54 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 39 years, hang in there. You are saying things that need to be said, and saying them well. If others are taking offence, perhaps they should be looking in the mirror a bit more closely. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 09:54:40 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:54:26 EDT Subject: Re: Everyone OK? (Saturday ride) To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 1:07:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > And the three other folks who apparently went down > (according to Fred's post) who went with Todd Peer up and over Thornton > Gap and then up to Front Royal via 678/675??? It wasn't three additional people. I was counting the total for the ride. The two that you talked about + one more. Han had a small scrape on his arm, but seemed fine otherwise. The one on 678 crunched some mirrors and a little bodywork. The rider continued on and seemed none the worse for wear, although he's probably pretty sore about now. Fred GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 10:02:26 2000 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:02:23 -0400 > -----Original Message----- > From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [mailto:FGrefe@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:39 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES > > > 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were > involved can post details if they'd like to. Well, #3 was me, on my ST1100. And it was my fault, plain and simple. I've been riding for near 30 years, I've raced (although it's been a long time), and in general I feel pretty confident about my abilities and think I know my limits. But this time I made a mistake. Several of them, actually. I was riding quite fast, but well within the limits of the bike, judging by the prior miles, where I kept up with the fast group without dragging anything. On a relatively benign left hand sweeper, easier than a lot of turns I'd already been through, I just plain blew it. I'm not sure if I just misjudged the degree of curve, my speed, or lost my concentration for a moment, or what. But I found myself too close to the outside edge, going too fast. I heeled it over even more, but the ST steers pretty damn slow, and I must have put a tire in the grass (there's no shoulder there at all). That was all it took. The tires lost grip, the bike low sided, slid through the tall grass, and into a ditch. It flipped over onto the right side, I think when the tires hit the bottom of the ditch. But damn, I'm lucky in spite of that. I went down on grass, not asphalt, so no serious damage to the bodywork. The only things obviously broken are the right side mirror shell, the mirror assembly (which is going to be expensive--not only did the glass break, but the casting that bolts to the fairing broke, too. The left hand tip-over wing cover is toast. On further examination this morning, it appears the fairing frame may be tweaked. Although the left side mirror & housing didn't break, the mirror no longer lines up with the plastic housing. There's a small crack in the inner fairing, next to the instrument pod. I don't think it will need anything more than a little glue, though. And that's it. Almost no scratches (thank that long grass). The bags are fine, the bodywork is fine, except for what I think is a boot scrape across the top of the tank. I rode it home, at a slower pace, without incident. Me? My back is pretty damn sore, and I've got a deep scratch on one leg (the pants aren't torn, though. My biggest mistake, I think, was forgetting that I don't have much time in on the ST, especially not on fast sweepers. On my last bike, a Hawk GT, I would have pulled it out, I think. But the ST is heavier, and steers and changes direction much more slowly. At the beginning of the ride I told myself I'd ride moderately, simply because I didn't have a lot of experience with it. But as things got going, and I felt more comfortable, the old competitive urges kicked in and away I went. Stupid. Second mistake, not paying enough attention. I've been through sweepers like that thousands of times. The road was good, the bike was capable of that speed, I should have made it easily. Clearly, *I* blew it. It wasn't the road's fault, or the grass' fault, it was mine. Going too fast for MY conditions. Third mistake, not leaving myself more of a cushion on public roads. This relates to at least one of the other accidents, too. When you're on the street, you have to expect you're going to run into the unexpected. Roads have sand on them--drive slowly enough so that you can change direction before you hit it. There ARE distractions on the road. Don't ride at speeds that require 100% concentration, cause you probably won't maintain that level of concentration for very long. Don't let your hormones override your common sense. Oh, well, a relatively inexpensive reminder that I'm not 25 anymore, I'm not riding a pocket rocket anymore, and I'm not on a race track. Most important though, it wasn't anyone else's fault. Not Chuck's for planning the ride, not Danny's for (trying to) lead it. And most definitely not Todd's. I really wasn't trying to keep up with him. I was just having a whole big ball of fun, and overdid it. Except for this one corner, I had a blast. And I urge Chuck and Danny to continue leading rides. I think it's time to try to convince the wife I need TWO motorcycle. One with much less weight and quicker handling. Thanks to Chuck, Danny and Todd, and thanks to the riders who pushed me out of the ditch, I afraid I don't remember your names. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 10:48:49 2000 From: "Han Park" To: Subject: Scrapped pegs Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:50:55 -0400 Well I got my pegs down at 211 yesterday, unfortunately I also got my frame sliders down as well. First of all I would like to thank Fred (sorry don't know your last name) for helping me out after the crash and getting me to 211 (we got separated from the group). Fred showed a lot more smarts than me in managing the accident and his level headedness really helped me out. Thanks to everyone else who offered words of concern. Thanks to the group I went home with as well. I am sorry for crashing and I shouldn't have been riding as hard on that front as I did. I thought it would hold up since Fred and I had made 2 passes before that and I had gone as hard on those passes and nothing funny happened with the bike (no twitching or nothing, just totally stable which I think contributed to my confidence level). Also the funny thing is that there was no warning sign. The bike felt great up to the crash. Okay here's the details... Oh one other thing I consider my self very lucky. I had minimal damage considering the speed of the crash. As I said this was the third run on the mountain. It was uphill. We had gone through a couple of curves and entered this left hander. It was one of those 211 banked almost 180 switch back lefts. I went in and the bike felt great just passed the apex (or maybe at the apex) I heard the peg touch down, a split second later the front just let go and I was sliding with my bike in front of me. It was very strange, one moment I'm enjoying the corner, the next I'm thinking "damn I just went down". It was like when you see someone lose the front on the track midway through a turn, one minute they're riding the next they're sliding (although I'm making no comparisons in skill level :) ). I think I was so surprised by what happened and that helped me just stay relaxed while sliding (too dumb and slow to figure out what was going on). Oh the other thing that saved my ass and my bike big time were the frame sliders I put on. The two holes I had to cut in my fairing to install them are well worth it. Anyways the front let go and the bike just slide out from under me. The frame sliders saved the bike from serious injury (see damage report below). The bike slid off the road and into the ditch with its wheels leading. I was leaned left before the turn and after the bike went down I was sliding on my left buttocks and then my back for the rest of the way. It was like a snow boarding slide when you do a hard back carve and hit some ice and the board slides out. It's damn amazing I don't have more road rash on my butt. Yes I was just wearing jeans, the only damage was the left pocket got ripped off (Is that amazingly lucky?). My cordura jacket has some scuffing on the left elbow (I mean real minor). I think the fact that I was really leaned over in the turn helped to minimize damage as well. I was basically falling 1-2 feet. Also the frame sliders kept the bike off the ground and from pinning my left leg under it (which could have caused real damage). I can not reiterate enough the frame sliders rocked. I really think they saved me $1000 worth of bike damage and who knows how much road rash and crushed bones in my left leg. There were two ladies in the pick up truck behind me who said they saw it and were riders themselves. They said one moment I was in the turn and the next the bike was sliding. One of them said "You put it down just the way it was supposed to." Hmm I can't ride, but I can crash like no one's business :) . They also helped out and I would like to thank them although they will probably never read this. Damage: - me: Scratches on my elbow and left butt cheek. Very minor, I've had worst dayafters following tackle football. - bike: Lost the fuse cover, left peg feeler, broken windscreen, scratches on the left sidemirror and fairing, frame slider had 0.5-1 inch removed from the end, shifter lever had material removed from the end, small scratch on the end of the swing arm. Really pretty minor damage. The scuffing isn't that bad, from a distance you can't even tell. I had one of my neighbors walk by after I got it home and say nice bike! I just said thanks as I went inside. I will be replacing the windscreen and getting a new left peg feeler and that's it! I can live with the scratches. Okay what have I learned: I need a new front! Anyone know where I can get a front mounted and balanced? I need better lower body protection. Yes I came away unscathed but I consider myself VERY lucky. The funny thing is I just ordered some kevlar lined jeans a week ago. I will be getting some heavy duty work boots today. Frame sliders rock (I think I'm going to cover my bike with them : ) ). Oh finally I'm a dummy for riding as hard on that front. The accident was no one's fault but my own. Fred, please send me an e-mail so I can buy you a beer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:13:44 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Yesterday's Ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Per Kirt's description of his mishap yesterday, I was the "VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who was behind me managed to not run me over. :-)" I can attest to the sand in the road that he mentioned, in case anyone doubts that it even existed. I was riding immediately behind Kurt in a somewhat staggered fashion...entering the uphill, left-banked turn, I was several yards behind him off the back-right outside of his bike. And luckily for the both of us, I was in that position, behind him on the outside, rather than immediately behind him, which could have potentially caused a much more serious accident. When we were cruising through that turn, my eyes lit up like deer in headlights when I all of a sudden saw him "transition" from a deep angle lean to a slide. When he hit the ground, I saw him tumbling in the road in front of me, and at the same time saw his bike torpedoing in a straight trajectory toward the outside of the enbankment, directly in front of the path of my heavily-leaned bike. The first thing that crossed my mind was, "F%$*ck!! DO NOT hit him!!", as I quickly stood up, rolled off throttle, and hit the FRONT brake (as the back would have just put me right in his exact position!) After swerving right to avoid him, I was then thinking I was about to follow his bike straight into that ravine...only with me on it!! Luckily, that didn't happen here. But most importantly, I am EXTREMELY RELIEVED that a 1-biker mishap with major bike damage was simply that, as opposed to a 2-biker mishap with significant body damage to both parties, which was just a split second away from reality. And as I said earlier...I totally attest to the fact that the middle of the road looked more like the beaches of Outer Banks than the Shenandoah Mountains. Lessons learned here: 1) The usual "ride within your own limits". That turn, with the abundance of strategically placed sand at EXACTLY the WRONG place for a cornering motorcyclist, would have taken MANY bikers down. 2) Try to be aware of EVERYTHING and EVERYONE AROUND and IN FRONT OF you. I'm not sure if he would have been able to steer clear (outside) of the sand if he had seen it just a 1/4 second earlier, but if he had been able to, be sure reaction time and eye-hand-coordination is at it its best! 3) When following a rider through twisties like these, be sure to position yourself at a safe enough distance to allow for an escape trajectory and braking procedure in case the rider in front of you goes down [worse case scenario]. After all, we're not out on the track here, folks!! Just fun, please rides!! We don't need to tail riders in front of us...and we certainly don't need to try to pass the bikes in front of us on corners. Incidentally, I was also the rider immediately following the first guy who blew out his chain. We were all cruising at a very moderate pass down a long straight-away, when all of a sudden, I see his chain bust apart and start spinning rapidly! My first reaction there was another "F&%*ck!" as I quickly slowed down, fearing that the chain might either: a) grab his rear wheel and lock it up somehow, or b) come flying back toward me! Another example of why it's important to practice conservative following distances!! Finally [okay...I must be bad luck here!!]...I was the rider who was immediately IN FRONT OF the guy who went down on the ST1100 on 678 (the small group of 6 bikes that Todd Peer led over Thornton Gap after leaving Dixies). I remember us cruising the twisties, myself being #3 and the guy on the ST1100 immediately behind me the entire time. The weird thing was that I was very impressed with how he was hanging with us (even on his much heavier, hard-bag laden sport-tourer!) through a bunch of very fast, but tight, twisties; but then all of a sudden, when the roads became much less technical, I looked in my rear-view, and he was simply gone!! From what he said, he just simply made a [self-proclaimed] stupid mistake, and let the bike go a little too wide on a left turn, caught some grass, and then slid out. VERY MINOR damage to the bike, and luckily to himself (with even just jeans on, no injuries at all!) But I'll let him fill in the details... Well, 1 day of riding...250 miles (for some)....21 bikes...3 of which went down...1 out of commission with a blown chain...1 ride organizer riding sweeper most of the day...and 1 ride leader spending more time on the phone trying to arrange clean-ups of out-of-commissioned and downed bikes than he was able to spend riding! Not the most impressive of numbers. Hopefully Chuck's ride tomorrow will be much less eventful! Thanks a bunch, though, to both Chuck (for organizing the ride) and Danny (for not only leading it but arranging towing services and staying to help the 2 bikers who needed it, ultimately sacrificing a good day of riding for himself!!) Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:24:07 2000 From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chatterbox Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:23:57 EDT Is the FRS model that much better? I haven't played with one yet and may do the upgrade deal. Aside from the extended range, how is the clarity and interference? Are any of the components compatible? like the speakers and mic? Or do I have to replace all that's in my helmet and passenger lid? TIA Rob '98 VFR800 /But with $100 trade in on your old one it's a good deal... not like /you'd ever go back to a limited 49MHz unit again after trying FRS. / /Collin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:36:15 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:36:01 EDT Subject: Yesterday's Ride and Lessons Learned To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I've been monitoring the lists comments about the recent accidents and the lessons learned that you glean and share from these incidents. What you are doing is an excellent example of educating each other of lessons learned and hazards that exist out there. I don;t know if anyone is appointed safety officer or historian, but if you were to go back and collect the emails that have been written in the past, you could provide an excellent resource for present and future riders. And this is why its important. The Sport Bike sector is young and growing. Whether your recognize it or not, you are becoming the "gray beards" of your breed by virtue of the rapid acquisition of experience and the rather remarkable manner in which you share lesson learned. If someone were to compile your previous emails, it would make an excellent article for either Iron Biker or Thunder Press. Well done. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 12:44:23 2000 From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 12:44:13 EDT First of all, thanks to Chuck for heading up another day of group riding. And another round of thanks to Danny for being the leader and group 'dad'. As for the downed bikes, sorry to see the damage, but glad everyone was not hurt. There is no substitute for good gear! (Shameless plug for 'stich!) Han, please...PLEASE get a new front tire and maybe some race pants! Kirt, absolutely no need to apologize to any of us. I still had a fun day of riding, and enjoyed being part of the group. Hopefully I'll see some of you on tomorrow's ride. Rob '98 VFR800 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 13:00:16 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Leather Cleaning Q Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & conditioned in the MD suburbs? I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke and it REALLY needs a cleaning! Thanks, -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 13:59:32 2000 From: "Laura Granato" To: , Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:06:31 -0400 > > Brian - from a 54 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 39 years, hang > in there. You are saying things that need to be said, and saying them well. > If others are taking offence, perhaps they should be looking in the mirror a > bit more closely. > > Michael J. I agree! thanks for all of the advice, Brian. and hope you have a better week. :-) Laura Granato > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:17:13 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:19:37 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Brian McCoy CC: dc Subject: Re: rides today... Brian, I consider you one of the "old guys" and myself one of the "new guys" so I tried not read anything into your posting (not always easy with email). And I know all your words were meant as constructive criticism. Hopefully, we're all learning and storing away that knowledge for a rainy day -- well, not me 'cause I don't ride in the rain! %^) I certainly would be a much happy camper (and ride leader) if we can manage to keep everyone upright! FWIW, we do need a few more folks to step up to the plate and lead rides. I know some folks may not like (or be "intimidated") by my rides because they're populated predominantly by sportbikers. Although any and all are always welcome to join me on any ride I lead, I can certainly understand this situation. Unfortunately, a sportbike is what I ride and I enjoy "real world" sportbike riding (I enjoy the track even more, but it's harder to find the time/$$$ to get there!) So other non-sportbike riders need to come to the fore and organize rides. I'm not advocating segragation/discrimination here, just more diversity and choice. We have a lot of folks of varying abilities who ride different types of m/c's. If I'm the only person leading rides, there are a whole lot of people on the list who aren't being as well served by their fellow listers as they could be. So need to shut up, Brian! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles Brian McCoy wrote : > > Ok.. I've had a couple people comment on the harshness of delivery on my > notes.. that's not intended (bad week, don't ask). And I'm NOT trying to > point a finger at anyone to single them out as being anything that I, > myself, have not once been. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:19:06 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:21:33 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Everyone OK? (Saturday ride) Fred, Sorry about this mix up. While I'm not happy to learn that we had another rider go down later in the day, I am much happier to learn that we didn't have 3 more riders go down. Sorry for not reading/understanding your email correctly! Chuck, aka Skittles FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > > It wasn't three additional people. I was counting the total for the ride. > The two that you talked about + one more. Han had a small scrape on his arm, > but seemed fine otherwise. The one on 678 crunched some mirrors and a little > bodywork. The rider continued on and seemed none the worse for wear, > although he's probably pretty sore about now. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:22:31 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:24:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Glenn Braunstein CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Yesterday's Ride Uh Glenn, I'm not sure I want you on my ride tomorrow! %^) SEE THE SMILEY??? Chuck, aka Skittles Glenn Braunstein wrote : > > Per Kirt's description of his mishap yesterday, I was > the "VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who > was behind me managed to not run me over. :-)" > Incidentally, I was also the rider immediately > following the first guy who blew out his chain. > Finally [okay...I must be bad luck here!!]...I was the > rider who was immediately IN FRONT OF the guy who went > down on the ST1100 on 678 (the small group of 6 bikes > that Todd Peer led over Thornton Gap after leaving > Dixies). -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:31:36 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:31:19 EDT Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX writes: > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke and it > REALLY needs a cleaning! Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) (it counts as a shower, too) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:35:43 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:38:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Han Park CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Scrapped pegs Han, Obviously, I wasn't there and didn't see what happened, but here are my thoughts (FWIW) based on your description of what happened. 1. I would say that your front tire was probably the single biggest contributor to your fall. Please do yourself and everyone else a big favor -- buy a new one, dude! %^) And while you're at it, check your rear. Everyone will give you different recommendations about where to go to get a tire mounted and balanced; here's mine: Denny at Crossroads Cycles (703) 820-3711. He's probably not the cheapest (but almost for sure cheaper than a regular dealership), but still reasonable. 2. Since you said you touched a peg down, combined with the condition of your front tire, sounds like you had too much steering input (and, therefore, lean angle) for the front to grip. So -- as you said -- it just went away from you. Your crash sounds remarkably similar to mine at CSS@VIR. Although I can't blame the tires for my crash -- all rider-induced error (too much steering input resulting in too much lean angle resulting in riding off the edge of the tires, i.e., riding the wheels off the bike). And yes, IMHO you were incredibly lucky. I'm not a safety-Nazi or anything, but I would strongly suggest you get yourself some "real" protective gear. At a minimum, Kevlar jeans. And a jacket with armor. A 'Stich wouldn't be a bad idea. Or full leathers. And riding boots. I know it's $$$, but it will be $$$ well-spent for the peace of mind and the protection it will give you if you should ever need it again (hopefully not). If you're smart, do your homework, and shop around, you don't have to spend a fortune to get good quality (not the best or top-shelf, but still good stuff -- not cheap-o, cheesy stuff) protective gear. I am happy to hear that you're OK. And it sounds like your m/c is more or less OK. Hope you're back up and running soon! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck Han Park wrot : > > Well I got my pegs down at 211 yesterday, unfortunately I also got my > frame sliders down as well. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:42:50 2000 From: "Han Park" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: Subject: Re: Scrapped pegs Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:44:53 -0400 I think that sounds about right. I will be getting kevlar jeans and boots asap and a new d207zr front. Thanks! han ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Han Park Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Scrapped pegs > Han, > > Obviously, I wasn't there and didn't see what happened, but here are my > thoughts (FWIW) based on your description of what happened. > > 1. I would say that your front tire was probably the single biggest > contributor to your fall. Please do yourself and everyone else a big > favor -- buy a new one, dude! %^) And while you're at it, check your > rear. Everyone will give you different recommendations about where to > go to get a tire mounted and balanced; here's mine: Denny at Crossroads > Cycles (703) 820-3711. He's probably not the cheapest (but almost for > sure cheaper than a regular dealership), but still reasonable. > > 2. Since you said you touched a peg down, combined with the condition > of your front tire, sounds like you had too much steering input (and, > therefore, lean angle) for the front to grip. So -- as you said -- it > just went away from you. > > Your crash sounds remarkably similar to mine at CSS@VIR. Although I > can't blame the tires for my crash -- all rider-induced error (too much > steering input resulting in too much lean angle resulting in riding off > the edge of the tires, i.e., riding the wheels off the bike). > > And yes, IMHO you were incredibly lucky. I'm not a safety-Nazi or > anything, but I would strongly suggest you get yourself some "real" > protective gear. At a minimum, Kevlar jeans. And a jacket with armor. > A 'Stich wouldn't be a bad idea. Or full leathers. And riding boots. > I know it's $$$, but it will be $$$ well-spent for the peace of mind and > the protection it will give you if you should ever need it again > (hopefully not). If you're smart, do your homework, and shop around, > you don't have to spend a fortune to get good quality (not the best or > top-shelf, but still good stuff -- not cheap-o, cheesy stuff) protective > gear. > > I am happy to hear that you're OK. And it sounds like your m/c is more > or less OK. Hope you're back up and running soon! > > Cheers, > Skittles, aka Chuck > > Han Park wrot : > > > > Well I got my pegs down at 211 yesterday, unfortunately I also got my > > frame sliders down as well. > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:47:06 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:49:30 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Brian McCoy , dc Subject: Re: rides today... OOPS! What I meant to type was that there's NO need for you to shut up, Brian! %^) Chuck "Charles V. Pena" wrote : > > So need to shut up, Brian! %^) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 14:50:10 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:52:37 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: [Fwd: [Suzuki-bikes] Another Sad Note from th Racing World.....] Got this from the Suzuki list. Sorry if I'm re-posting info that y'all have gotten from other m/c lists. Greg McQuide and now Joey Dunlop. I am really bummed. Chuck -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Suzuki-bikes] Another Sad Note from th Racing World..... Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 13:26:07 -0500 From: Jeff Wallace To: Suzuki-Bikes CC: marauder Another Sad note: TT Hero Dunlop Killed News from England this AM tells a sad tale. Isle of Man TT winner and British racing hero Joey Dunlop was killed in a street circuit race yesterday. Dunlop was racing at the 3.7-mile public roads circuit on the outskirts of the Estonian capital of Tallinn. He had won the 600 race earlier in the weekend, and the Superbike race on Sunday. Later that day he was killed in a crash during the 125cc race, while on the second lap. Dunlop, 48 was killed instantly and the event canceled after his crash. The Honda release states: "Dunlop scored his record 26th win at the Isle of Man TT races little more than three weeks ago. He began racing in 1969 and was a factory Honda rider for the past 18 years. The father of five was honored with both MBE and OBE awards for his humanitarian work in war torn countries." Ends _______________________________________________ Suzuki-bikes maillist - Suzuki-bikes@XXXXXX http://lomond.pro-libertate.com/mailman/listinfo/suzuki-bikes http://fatman.pro-libertate.com/suzuki/owners.html From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 17:53:55 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: "Charles V. Pena" , Brian McCoy Cc: dc --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Brian, > > I consider you one of the "old guys" and myself one > of the "new guys" so > I tried not read anything into your posting (not > always easy with > email). And I know all your words were meant as > constructive > criticism. Hopefully, we're all learning and > storing away that > knowledge for a rainy day -- well, not me 'cause I > don't ride in the > rain! %^) I certainly would be a much happy camper > (and ride leader) if > we can manage to keep everyone upright! > > FWIW, we do need a few more folks to step up to the > plate and lead rides. What purpose will this serve? It sounds to me like the best thing for you guys to do is to attempt to get more organized.....putting together a group of riders who can spend time riding together and getting comfortable with one anothers' riding styles will help a lot more than 'mixing it up' every weekend. The latter is a proven recipe for disaster. Trust me, I've been on my share of DC Cycles rides over the past 4 years, and one thing that is consistent about them (the larger group rides, that is) is the inevitable get-off.... Now, there's nothing wrong with the occasional large-group tour up to Harper's Ferry for lunch (or whatever), but an aggressive sport ride should NOT involve riders who haven't ridden together before (unless the new riders are at the rear, attempting to get familiar with the "pack's" style). I would actually enjoy leading such an aggressive sport ride (and do so just about every weekend), but would rather not have to deal with the guilt from the fatality that WILL eventually occur if you continue to put 20+ testosterone-laden strangers with 100+hp land-rockets together (apparently 2-3 yards apart from one another) on unfamiliar, twisty mountain roads. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 18:06:59 2000 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Tansey To: DC Cycles Subject: Advice on securing a bike I'm hoping to pull my bike out of storage next weekend and bring it to my apartment complex. I've always had a private/secure place to keep my bike so I've got a few questions. I have assigned parking, so I'll be putting the bike against the curb and parking my car behind it. I've got Kryptonite disc locks (2) and cable with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not have a center stand. I live in a soon-to-be-gated complex, so with any luck I'll manage to not have it stolen *fingers crosses*. I am concerned with the optimal way to park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off balance. >From what I can tell I'll be the only one here with a bike and I can see the kids being very curious about the shiny bike they know lives under the cover. Thanks in advance, Shannon From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 18:20:46 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:19:59 EDT Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike To: tansey@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/2000 6:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tansey@XXXXXX writes: << From what I can tell I'll be the only one here with a bike and I can see the kids being very curious about the shiny bike they know lives under the cover. Thanks in advance, Shannon >> Post BIG sign on it stating that "All nosey kids will be SHOT!!" ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 18:49:20 2000 From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:48:38 EDT Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike To: tansey@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/2/00 6:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tansey@XXXXXX writes: > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not > have a center stand. > park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off > balance. Some covers come with holes at the bottom, so you can pinch the cover together underneath the bike and lock the two sides together. This way the cover can't be taken off. If your cover doesn't come with them, it wouldn't be hard to add them. When I lived in a condo in Reston, I never had any problems with the kids as long as I kept the bike covered. Of course this didn't stop the A-holes that stole it, but it wasn't a gated parking lot either. My favorite story came from Art, the guy who used to own the motorcycle accessory store in Falls Church. He had a nice BMW that he kept parked in front of his townhouse. Whenever he'd see the neighborhood kids starting to touch or climb on his bike, he come outside, tell them that they set off the "silent alarm" and warn them to stay off it. Now usually the kids were doing this with their parents standing by and the parents would never keep the kids off the bike. One day, when he got tired of telling the same kids to stay off the bike, he watched as the kids started climbing on the bike and the parents just stood by. Art ran out of the house, while racking a shotgun. Now that he had everyone's full attention he said "Oh its just you kids. You set the alarm off and I thought someone was stealing my bike." After that day, the parents wouldn't let the kids get within 20 feet of the bike. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 21:16:33 2000 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Joey Dunlop Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:16:16 PDT I just just read that Joey Dunlop was killed today. I feel honored to have seen him win his 24th Isle of Man ( I was ther in June for the GP). He was one of the best if not the best riders in the world. he was a very humble man never saying alot . Godspeed Joey, Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 21:33:36 2000 From: "DAN KENNEY" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: typing Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 18:33:27 PDT Damn, The more I type the worse my typing gets. Sorry!!!!! Dan Kenney Red 1997 Suzuki TL1000s ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 22:18:16 2000 From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: DC-Cycles Accident reports Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:16:59 -0700 I think that's a pretty nice idea actually - If someone could put together all the accident reports from DC-Cycles over the years possibly just weed out the ones that seem to be poorly analyzed, it might just be a worthwhile compilation for reading and learning. Maybe publish it on the web, not as a "hero's catalog of crime" but more like a "learning from each other's mistakes" kind of thing. Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 2 23:33:15 2000 Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 23:35:37 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Tom Gimer CC: dc Subject: Re: rides today... > What purpose will this serve? It sounds to me like > the best thing for you guys to do is to attempt to get > more organized.....putting together a group of riders > who can spend time riding together and getting > comfortable with one anothers' riding styles will help > a lot more than 'mixing it up' every weekend. The > latter is a proven recipe for disaster. I agree with you that more of us need to ride together and get to know each other's riding styles so that we can all be better/safer as a group. But I was also suggesting that we need other rides for those who don't want to do a "sportbike" ride, that's all. I know not everyone on the list necessarily wants to ride in the "twisties" and might want something less "technical" and more "sedate". And we need folks who are willing and able to lead such rides. > Now, there's nothing wrong with the occasional > large-group tour up to Harper's Ferry for lunch (or > whatever), but an aggressive sport ride should NOT > involve riders who haven't ridden together before > (unless the new riders are at the rear, attempting to > get familiar with the "pack's" style). Again, we agree. But right now, it seems that all that's being offered up are rides more geared towards folks who ride sportbikes (since that's what I ride and I seem to be the only person leading rides at the moment). Certainly, I think it would be great if other better/more experienced sportbike riders on the list would also lead rides. But I also think we need some non-sportbike rides so that folks who might not feel as comfortable riding a "typical" sportbike ride will have an opportunity to enjoy the company of other DC-Cycle'ers other than just trading emails. Regards, Chuck Tom Gimer wrote : > -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 00:26:32 2000 From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chatterbox Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 00:26:23 EDT Chatterbox now offers you the choice of stereo or mono versions. The mono version will work with your current head gear. You will need new head gear for the stereo version. I understand the clairity is much better. I haven't ordered mine yet but will next month (I need to spend this months "surplus" on my recording studio). Razz "There's too much month at the end of my money" '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 > >Is the FRS model that much better? I haven't played with one yet and may >do >the upgrade deal. Aside from the extended range, how is the clarity and >interference? Are any of the components compatible? like the speakers and >mic? Or do I have to replace all that's in my helmet and passenger lid? >TIA > >Rob >'98 VFR800 > > >/But with $100 trade in on your old one it's a good deal... not like >/you'd ever go back to a limited 49MHz unit again after trying FRS. >/ >/Collin >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 01:42:11 2000 From: "John Kozyn" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rides today... Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:42:00 EDT From: "Laura Granato" I'm sorry that you feel so disappointed with the list at this moment, but I don't think that everyone should be talked down to, as some people (probably most) take excellent care of their bikes and ride responsibly. Yes, there are some people that don't take care of their bikes as well as others, and yes, there are people that push their limits, but from what many people tell me (I think you, too, at some point) that you HAVE to push your limits at some point to learn. Not all of us have an interest in racing or the capabilities to get into it, so we just have to accept learning on the street in uncontrolled conditions that may not be prime for increasing confidence, abilities, etc. Many of us ride for the pure enjoyment of riding, not because we want to see who we can outrace from point A to point B. I am truly happy for you that you are not having the said *incidents* that some of us are having, but the way that I see it...this list is a place to share our thoughts about riding and learn from each other. So, today I learned my lesson, AND I learned to make sure that my tires are well taken care of and that my bike always has proper maintenance. I think that is something positive to think about. I think it may have been a little harsh to say you're glad you're not in the area as much...I know for a fact that if you were in the area, you'd be right there enjoying the ride and helping those out who did have problems instead of blasting them. Just had to give my opinion. Sounds like you must be having a bad day. ============ Brian always seems to have a bad day Laura. It's part of his antagonistic charm, I guess. In fact, he who couldn't wait to bail outta DC moved to Arizona just to get away from himself ;) But he screwed up. Hehehe, just kidding Brian,...maybe :) Laura, you _are_ right and Brian McCoy is wrong here; big time. The rest of this is for BM and not Ms. Granato : ------ Dood, you are so heavy-handed in your criticism, that even a critical, heavy-handed sort like me gets offended. (I'm serious). You dont give anyone quarter. The worst thing about it is that you're as young as you are. You're what,... 25? Lighten up and please spare DC-Cycles from any more of your hubris. JK ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 06:55:57 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 06:55:36 EDT Subject: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. To: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX Heard on the news this Morning that the State of Maryland is beginning Helicopter surveillance of the thorough fares to counter aggressive motorcycle operations (e.g. racers.) Pre positioned road blocks and interception capabilities with overhead command and control. Also, MD is advertising a mobile number ( # something) for drivers to call in with descriptions and tag numbers. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 07:07:21 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 07:06:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hartzler To: DC Cycles Subject: Flat Tire Story All -- On Saturday I went out for a ride, and a spectacular day it was. On 601, Mt. Weather Road, I encountered a biker stuck on the side of the road with a flat. Since I had one of those glue+plug+CO2 kits, a couple of years old, I said what the heck, and we worked on plugging up the tire. Turns out that the two CO2 charges weren't enough to come close to completely inflating his tire. For a large tire, such as was on his bike (and what's on mine, for that matter), I'd guess at least four, and more comfortably five or six would be called for. The small puncture was in the thinnest part of his well worn rear tire. I don't think that plug or that tire was worth a tinker's damn. However, the plugged, underinflated tire was enough to allow us him limp along 601 to a mutual friend's house (that was a surprise!) Riding 601 at about twenty miles an hour was an interesting experience... Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well -- and that's basically the point of my story -- if you have a mid to large sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get you road ready. Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 08:53:49 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:53:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Yamaha parts online A dealer has some yamaha bike's parts online. The dealer is at: http://www.hlsm.com/ The street bike parts are at: http://216.37.204.3/Yamaha_mc/yam_mc.asp?model_list Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 09:48:17 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:48:11 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Re: Yesterday's Ride Coincidentally, Glenn was in our group ride when I went down mid -June on 211. He is a good luck charm as he knows how to handle his VFR and is extremely helpful in these situations. BTW, does anyone know of a m/c accident that occurred Saturday on Route 193(Great Falls area) west of 495? Dan 00 RSV >Uh Glenn, I'm not sure I want you on my ride tomorrow! %^) SEE THE >SMILEY??? > >Chuck, aka Skittles > >Glenn Braunstein wrote : > > > > Per Kirt's description of his mishap yesterday, I was > > the "VFR rider (who's name I have forgotten...) who > > was behind me managed to not run me over. :-)" > > > Incidentally, I was also the rider immediately > > following the first guy who blew out his chain. > > > Finally [okay...I must be bad luck here!!]...I was the > > rider who was immediately IN FRONT OF the guy who went > > down on the ST1100 on 678 (the small group of 6 bikes > > that Todd Peer led over Thornton Gap after leaving > > Dixies). > >-- >"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 10:01:37 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:00:55 -0700 From: Dale Horstman To: Peter Hartzler CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Flat Tire Story Peter Hartzler wrote: > > Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the > kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well -- > and that's basically the point of my story -- if you have a mid to large > sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get > you road ready. Pete (and others) I carry this on the bike! It fits neatly under the right sidecover of the Connie. Works well. Plugs right into the cigarette lighter adapter I installed in the fairing. http://www.buytheworld.com/beyond/bonaire/210.htm Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 10:16:14 2000 From: "Wysocki, Bannon" To: "'Charles V. Pena'" , DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki Subject: RE: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:11:04 -0500 Just A Thought... I was on the ride July 1st and the one before that too (BANNON R6). I am amazed at the ratio of crashers to riders. I can see that there are many causes to these incidents: Ability/knowledge, size of group and speed, mechanical. My first point of ability is one that only the rider knows. No one is out to "upstage" any one with regards to riding ability. Please ride within yours and the rides will be much more enjoyable for everyone. My rule of thumb is to NEVER ride behind someone that is slower than me because it takes me out of my natural flow on the roads. If I have to break mid turn because someone is easing through it, I'm putting myself and anyone behind me in a hairy situation. Also, everyone should know how to ride in a group, i.e. 2 second rule, etc. and know all of the hand signals used for communication, i.e., one finger pointing straight up to indicate single file riding, foot signals, etc. We should go over these every ride. It will only make all of us better is we ride with people whom we don't know. Second point of size and speed of the group is a coordination point. Smaller groups are just more manageable. There is no reason why we can't start off with smaller groups (6) and then let the people ride into different groups through natural selection. If you can catch the group in front of you, fine and you won't be running into point number 1. We always have natural regrouping points along the way and I don't mind waiting for any one and appreciate it when people wait for me. Finally, mechanically sound bikes are the easiest way not to get surprised. Always check air pressure before riding which will cause you to LOOK at your tire wear. There is no excuse for worn tires, not even money. Just save up and don't ride because hospital bills and fairings cost a lot more than a new set of Dunlop's (mounted too). By default, keeping your bike clean will cause you to put your hands on every part of your bike and notice anything that may need tightening or repair, I haven't seen a dirty bike yet which is good. I think there should be a mandatory plan if we have an incident. First, check and see if the rider is OK then check the condition of the bike. If the bike is rideable, or should I say appears to be, continue or that rider should head back to the barn because a hidden crack in a frame is NOT safe and can lead to a catastrophic failure in machinery. EVERYONE must take responsibility for their machines. We all should have a plan if something should happen to someone's bike. And the answer is not Danny's wife! I'm not going to burden anyone with my mishap as long as I can walk and talk. We all need to carry cell phones, have a number to call if our rides become unrideable, have our insurance cards on us somewhere with a number to get in touch with a friend or relative if we need to have them meet us somewhere. I'm not trying to be cold or even a DICK but I don't think 26 riders need to stop and wait until someone is taken care of. The faster we can establish a plan for the incident, the faster we can all get back on the ride. As long as no one is hurt it should be OK for that person to wait and get picked up. If someone wants to volunteer to stay with that person that's cool too. Just know the ride plan and catch up later. If you don't know the ride plan, carry a print out of it. The easiest way to see the route is to put some masking tape on your gas tank and write the important turns on it in big black letters: L Rt. 55, R rt. 278, L rt. 66, etc. Then we should lose less riders, right. This is just common sense and good preparation. The rides will be more efficient and enjoyable if we all practice good motorcycle etiquette. I love riding with you all and will see you out there again. BANNON R6 Bannon P. Wysocki Region Manager Corporate Express Promotional Marketing Mid-Atlantic 1307 Ross Drive, SW, Vienna, VA 22180 Office: 703.242.4413 Fax: 703.783.8643 bannon.wysocki@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:07 PM To: DC Cycles; Bannon Wysocki Subject: Saturday ride - not the best We had a glorious day for riding today. And 20+ people showed up at the Sheetz to ride. But you know what they way about the best laid plans... With that many people, we decided that it would be best to sub-divide into at least 2, if not 3, groups of riders -- with Danny taking the lead. Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my knowledge, was not seen again. The rest of us took Old Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton to get to Crest Rd. and then onto Flint Hill and 211. I was riding sweep and saw a bunch off guys both on and off motorcycles to the side of the road. My first thought was that someone went down. Fortunately, that was not the case. Broken chain. Rider on a Yam FZR (sorry, but I know I didn't meet everyone and I also know I can't remember everyone's names!) After finding out what had happened I continued up the road to catch Danny and the rest of the group. Well, I guess they figured out something was wrong because I eventually caught them back-tracking. Anyway, we re-grouped and hung out in a gravel driveway off the side of the road while Danny called his wife and asked her to bring his truck to load up the FZR to take back to wherever. Danny volunteered to stay and said he would catch up with us at the base of the mountain (Dixie gas/gift shop). Todd Peer got volunteered to lead the "front" group out to Flint Hill and 211. I led the "back" group out after giving Todd a few minutes head start. On the way up the mountain, I noticed Han Park (and his bike, purple F2) standing on the side of the road. He looked calm and relaxed so I figured he was just taking a break (strange place for a break) and/or waiting for us (but why?) It turns out that Han and Fred (having lost Sanath) beat everyone to the mountain and had made at least one (if not two) runs already (even before the front group). What I didn't know at the time was that Han had lowsided in one of the turns. Fortunately, he was OK (although I have absolutely no idea how his butt managed to survive sliding wearing only jeans!) As best we could tell, the damage was mostly cosmetic (scuffed up left side fairing and broken windshield). But the F2 was ridable. The culprit in this accident may have been the front tire. Upon inspection, it was more than apparent that the tire had seen better days. Further up the road, there was a bit of chaos with lots of bikes off to the side and lots of people giving the "slow down" signal. Apparently, Kirt Senser (F4) also lowsided. The culprit in this accident was in all likelihood sand/gravel in the road. Bannon was riding in front of Kirt and he said he felt his back end step out and then looked in his mirrors and saw Kirt going down. BTW, I didn't witness either Han's or Kirt's crashes so others may have better details about what happened. Anyway, Kirt was/is OK. For those that are wondering, Aerostitch suits work! But his bike was/is not. The damage was more than cosmetic. In fact, it was not ridable back down the mountain. I went to the top and turned around to re-group with whoever was either at the top and/or following me. I then went back down the mountain and just waited/chilled at the Dixie gas/gift shop (there were already lots of lots of people helping out at the side of the road). Eventually, everyone drifted back down the mountain and parked it. Kirt caught a ride on the back of someone's m/c and left his F4 up on the mountain. We all waited for Danny to show up to figure out how best to handle this particular situation. When he finally did, Danny called the Honda Owner's Club to get a truck to come out to get Kirt's bike. Once again, Danny volunteered to stick around until help arrived. I was running out of riding time, so announced that I was heading back to civilization. Todd Peer led those who still wanted to ride up over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal. Hopefully, the rest of their ride was uneventful. A handful of us basically back-tracked on most of the roads we rode out on and went back to Marshall and eventually got on I-66 (at 15) to drone back in. I know I got 200 miles of riding, but definitely not "quality" miles. Certainly, not the best of days riding. I am glad that Han and Kirt are OK (even though there bikes are in various states of not-OK). I hope the rest of the ride with Todd went OK for everyone. I would've like to joined, but had to be home at 2pm and got home pretty much on time. I'm still doing the Monday ride leaving from The Java Shack at 9:30am (meet for espressos/lattes at 9am). We'll go up into Montgomery and Frederick Counties. 2-3 hours of riding. I've got some roads I want to check out so the pace won't be blistering. Everyone have a safe and happy 4th of July! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 11:01:41 2000 From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:01:12 EDT Subject: Riding Apparel To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX For those of you contemplating kevlar jeans/riding gear, I highly recommend Joe Rocket's 'Blaster'(?) pants. Fellow lister Colleen Bray runs a new/used leather buisness, and carries brand new Joe Rocket items. I bought a pair from her, (Joe Rocket's suggested retail is $250...I payed around $200+tax) and have been thoroughly pleased. Armor in the shins/knees, reinforced padding over the hip bones, and double leather in the seat. Comfortable, inexpensive, and MUCH better than even kevlar jeans. The URL for Colleen's site is... http://members.aol.com/moto rle/index.html -Sean Jordan WERA Novice #230 '93 CBR1000F (street) '89 ZX7 (race) Sponsors: Fastlane Cycles Phoenix Comics & Toys From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 13:31:44 2000 From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:30:57 EDT Subject: Bike for sale! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: LIKEAMU@XXXXXX --part1_15.6018ab4.269227d1_boundary Thought ya'll like to know about a Katana for sale! Enjoy, Lee --part1_15.6018ab4.269227d1_boundary From: LIKEAMU@XXXXXX Full-name: LIKEAMU Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:13:55 EDT Subject: Re: **JULY 9 RIDE CONFIRM** To: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX hi lee,sorry i haven`t made it out.looks like that isn`t going to happen this year.i am selling my bike to help pay for a truck i just bought.hopefully i can get a new one by next summer.maybe you could put the word out for me to anyone looking for a bike.i have a 94 suzuki katana 600,purple and black,8000 miles on it.some performance work done,2 helmets and a cover.just had the oil changed and bike tuned up.all for 3100.00 or best offer.anyone interested can email me.thanks, joe p.s keep me on your email list i like the diary entrees. --part1_15.6018ab4.269227d1_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 13:59:28 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:05:07 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Wedding? A wedding that I would not have minded being a bridesmaid in http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=6042 Lisa Goddard '95 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 14:54:17 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , "Lisa Goddard" Subject: Re: Wedding? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:57:15 -0400 I didn't get to go to the wedding because of work. But I was at the reception. Everyone who was at the wedding had a great time, especially the trip from the church to the reception. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Goddard To: Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 14:05 Subject: Wedding? > A wedding that I would not have minded being a bridesmaid in > > http://www.fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=6042 > > Lisa Goddard > '95 VFR > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 15:06:50 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Chatterbox To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: adl64@XXXXXX Yes, FRS is MUCH MUCH better than 49Mhz units. The range is easily 1 mile and often near the 2 mile range that's advertised for FRS. They basically use several channels up in the 400MHz FM band and their transceivers lock onto signal much better than the 49MHz units. Based on my dealings with old 49MHz units, the FRS is leaps and bounds better quality.. I've never owned the chatterbox models, but looking at Anita's, it *looks* like some of the things are compatible, but you would have to look at one to be certain. I've CC'd Anita, and maybe she can provide more info... I use my own setup of a standard 14 channel FRS unit and headphone mic... it was a lot cheaper, but I am still working out bugs to get clarity up to par with the chatterbox... so Chatterbox is definitely the way to go if you want it ready to go right out of the box... Collin Rob wrote: "Is the FRS model that much better? I haven't played with one yet and may do the upgrade deal. Aside from the extended range, how is the clarity and interference? Are any of the components compatible? like the speakers and mic? Or do I have to replace all that's in my helmet and passenger lid?" ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 16:38:17 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:43:28 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Everyone OK? / rides today (sorry so long) Hey everyone Have had a sick wife to take care of so haven't had time to get online and read or post to the list. I would be the FZR guy who lost his chain on Saturdays ride. Just for the record the chain was less that two months old and was properly adjusted and oiled right before the ride. The chain came off because the master link came off. Now I will be the first one to admit that my bike doesn't get the proper amount of attention and spends more that its share of time in ruff shape. As a matter of fact I was so embarrassed after my chain came off and I had everyone attention drown to my bike in the shape it was in (dirty) that when I finally made it home I gave its first real bath in over a month. Being that is is ridden just about every day and doesn't sleep in a garage it was looking rather ruff, as I am sure that everyone noticed. I can see why everyone thought that the chain had snapped looking at the grim on the swing arm and rims. I can't begin to thank Danny ( or should I say St. Danny) and his wife enough for bailing me out and coming out and picking up me and the bike. I had visions of spending the whole day on the side of the road waiting for my wife and kids to find me since I didn't even have an idea where I was. After dropping off Danny's wife at home so she could get back to her day, they let me use there truck to drive to the shop to get a new chain on the bike. I have to say that I was having a ball right up to second the chain came loose. Also thanks to Alexander (name?/EX500 rider) for hanging with Danny and me while waiting to be rescued. As for Brian's post I'm not sure how to respond. While much of what he has said is true their is a big part of me that just wants to walk up and kick the soap box out from under his feet. While most of us would love to spend our time on a nice clean track in a totally controlled environment instead of on the public roads dodging cages, avoiding debre and entering blind corners, it isn't always an option. I myself spend most of my free time and money on my two little girls, not my hobbies. I have been riding for sixteen years and look forward to every minute I spend on my ride. I love group rides and spending time with other riders. You can learn a lot following a better rider though a bunch of turns, a lot more that you can spending hours upon hours riding by yourself. I hope that the next time Murphy's law caches up with you, you don't find some one standing over you on the side of the road pointing a finger in your face saying "now if you where a responsible rider!!". I have always enjoyed your posts and respected you for what you have contributed to the list but I have to tell you that you lost me this time. Finally I would like to thank Chuck for everything as well as everyone else for putting the ride on standby to make sure that I was all right. Sorry to here about Kirt, Han, Bob and the other downed riders. Hope that everyone is o.k. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help out, I have tools and I'm not afraid to use them. Take care and talk to everyone soon Nelson 94 FZR600 "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > I just wanted to check to make sure that everyone is OK after all that From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 17:03:30 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:05:57 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: Monday ride - no problems! Small and manageable group for Monday's ride. Myself, Glenn Braunstein, Paul (on the Nighthawk from DC), Niv (a fellow CSS@VIR graduate), Sanath, and Herb all left The Java Shack and rode out MacArthur, River Rd., Partnership Rd., White's Ferry Rd., and 109 to Staubs, where we met up with Rob (red VFR). BTW, there are too damn many red VFRs! %^) From there we basically did a bit of exploring as I looked at a map (enclosed in my improvised map holder for when I don't want to carry a tank bag -- heavy-duty clear sheet protector held in place by 4 relatively heavy-duty, 20-lb. hold strength, picked up a Home Depot) to find different roads to ride on. Found some good ones that will allow me to expand the "basic" route we took on Father's Day to include more fun riding. Also found one road that was probably a bit on the too narrow and too twisty side, not to mention so shaded that I had a hard time seeing! I don't think I'll use this road (can't remember the name off the top of my head) in future rides -- not really conducive to riding "fast" (although I'm sure some of the racers/more highly skilled riders could do it) and too many opportunities to blow it. We did OK, but we also weren't trying to blitz it. I didn't get a chance to explore all the different roads I had marked on my map because I had to be home NLT than 1pm. So after a gas stop, Herb, Niv, and I headed back. Rob was kind enough to continue riding and took Glenn, Paul, and Sanath to explore more roads. I don't know how the rest of their ride went, but I can report that we were 0-fer up until the gas stop. No mechanical mishaps (avoided the pothole on MacArthur by riding single file), no crashes, and no law enforcement encounters. Hopefully, Rob and/or Glenn can report on how the rest of the afternoon went. I am definitely going to get back out (maybe next weekend?) to check on all the other roads I had marked on my map. Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 17:53:26 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: George Howell To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX cc: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. #77 is the number for your cell phone. They had several K12RS's in the news blurb this evening (older ones with the taxicab paint scheme. Riders were wearing Vanson Leathers. Probably all bought from Bob's BMW) I'd definately not piss off cars. This will probably degenerate into a system where the biker is guilty (even moreso than usual) until proven innocent. On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Heard on the news this Morning that the State of Maryland is beginning > Helicopter surveillance of the thorough fares to counter aggressive > motorcycle operations (e.g. racers.) Pre positioned road blocks and > interception capabilities with overhead command and control. Also, MD is > advertising a mobile number ( # something) for drivers to call in with > descriptions and tag numbers. > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland > -- George Howell "I ride for the same reason dogs stick their head out ghowell@XXXXXX of car windows" georgehowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX echelon block: kiddie porn, overthrow government, militia, anarchy, guns, knives, violence, bomb, explosive, Ruby Ridge, Waco, Branch Davidian, 2nd amendment, vengeance, Mafia, Delta Force, CIA, FBI, NSA. Enjoy! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:04:55 2000 From: Boiade@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:04:38 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX There are no road race tracks in Md. that I know of. What's the problem? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:25:48 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:30:44 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez To: "Wysocki, Bannon" CC: "'Charles V. Pena'" , DC Cycles , Bannon Wysocki Subject: Re: Saturday ride - not the best Point taken, guilty as charged It isn't Danny's (or his wife's) responsibility to play clean up after the rides he takes part in. I agree that everyone should be responsible for their own bike and if it becomes unridable to have a way of getting it home without dragging the other riders spouses away from their day. I feel really bad that Danny spent the better part of his day watching after us instead of riding, which is why he went on the ride in the first place. As for group riding and the accidents, that's a tuff one. As I'm sure almost everyone that dropped it recently can attest to, that right up to the moment before they crashed they thought they where within their limits. It is easy to find yourself going faster that you should be going when following a group because you just watched the five guys in front of you take that turn at that speed and made it look easy. I know that I rider harder when following a group. This weekend for instance, following Danny I felt confident riding hard because I have confidence in his knowledge of the road and even though I had never been on those roads before, felt that if the bikes in front of me could make it through at the speeds we were doing, then chances are that so could I given my ability. I can understand (because I have been there) when a newer rider thinks that their bike seems to be running well and the riding skills seem to be in check only to get the panics entering a corner and without the experience to know how to handle the situation, finding themselves on the ground. I have had the fortune of not biting the pavement for some years (well except for that snow thing 8] ) but I remember all to well the accidents I have had. It always seemed that I had everything under control, that is right up until the bike showed me different. I'm sure you will agree that its only the years of riding has shown us our true riding ability. Even now riding on unfamiliar roads can blur that line and makes us realize that there is still more to learn. Thanks for your post, it has pointed out yet another lesson in my quest to be a better rider. Once again sorry for the long winded post and hope I didn't drift to much. Unfortunaly the hands cant keep up with the mind and I sometimes find that what I was thinking doesn't quite make it to the paper (or email). Later all Nelson "Wysocki, Bannon" wrote: > Just A Thought... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:25:51 2000 From: "St. Peter" To: "'v4mofo@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Group Rides Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:36:11 -0400 Encoding: 57 TEXT Brian, Seems to me, back when I joined this list I was kind of afraid to go on the group rides. It seemed like every week there was a story of someone crashing. That's why I took about a year of being on the list to meet anyone (you and Collin at Track Day). As time went on, I guess the group got used to group rides and the number of incidents decreased to nothing. Now there is an almost entirely new group out there. I do agree that you should try and show up to group rides with the best maintained bike you can. But, I can't say everyone (not to mention any names - Collin) has always showed up with perfect tires. That said, I do ride 75% on group rides. Even if it means slowing the group down a little, I feel less comfortable in a large (or unknown) group and ride like it. First, I don't want crash, and second I don't want someone to force a crash on me. I don't trust any other riders that I haven't ridden with extensively. I don't really give a shit if someone goes home thinking I'm a slow rider, either on a group ride or at the track. It's not worth a crash just to boost my ego (or take 16th instead of 17th at the track :)). I also think the amount of carnage on that particular ride was pretty high. I wasn't there, so I can't say if there was too much excitement for the first large group ride in a while. I think people need to realize that they can ride their own ride, even on a group ride. Believe it or not, most of the people behind you will be relieved that they don't have to keep up the pace of some of the front runners. The people who want to go faster can be sure to get ahead of you at the next rest stop. The rest can pretend to complain they got stuck behind you :) I've ridden with Danny before and he is an excellent ride leader. He ran what I considered the perfect street pace. But, Danny is racing now, so his comfort level has prolly increased significantly. People were talking about touching footpegs etc. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do it regularly when you ride by yourself. If it's the first time you've touched them down three turns in a row, then you're riding over your head. No matter how good it feels. Practice your skills and get faster on your own or with some good friends, not on a large group ride. I know that by riding with others you can start to realize what you and your bike are capable of. It's a great high, but try to meet some of the faster riders and arrange a smaller group ride with them sometime. Most people are there to meet others to ride with. Even though I wasn't there, I thank Chuck and Danny for leading the ride. It's good to have the group out meeting and riding together. There are lots of new people I haven't met yet. I hope to see you out there sometime. Chill out Brian :) Jay St. Peter '95 ZX9R '93/4 F2 Racebike (for sale/trade make me an offer http://patriot.net/~stpeter/motorcycle/racebike.html) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 18:45:03 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Monday ride - no problems!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Well, Chuck (et al)- You'll be delighted to know that despite the bad luck I brought to Saturday's ride (with the 2 bikes going down right in front of me, and the one losing ground immediately behind me), today's ride was completed with a big goose-egg representing the number of downed riders!! ;-) Thumbs up to Chuck for organizing and leading a nice, casual [but, unfortunately, relatively short] cruise up through MD. And thanks to Rob for taking over the lead role after Chuck departed to show the 3 of us who remained (Paul, Sanath, and myself, none of whom knew the area at all) a bit more of the beautiful MD country. I will say the funny thing was when Paul, Sanath, and I finally made it back to the D.C. area. When we were coming into town on MacArthur Blvd., approaching the ramp for Cabin John Pkwy, I looked in my rear view and noticed that Sanath, who was right behind me the whole way, just disappeared!! So of course my first reaction was, "Aw...shit. Not again!" We made it all the way, this far, so close to home, and yet another one goes down near me?!? I decided it might be time to give up my wheels. :-( Anyways, I turned back to look for him, and when I found him, I was delighted to hear that he just simply decided to take a different exit than us. Major sigh of relief for me, knowing that we did truly make it without any mishaps whatsoever!!! And btw, Chuck - are you just JEALOUS of all the Red VFRs on the road? ;-) Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 (yet another red one, to Chuck's dismay!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 19:27:55 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Flat tire story To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >From the link that horkster sent with nifty tire inflator: "Note: due to firearms restrictions in California, residents there will have to run this on 10 volts instead of 12." What is up with that?? What the hell does 2V difference in operating voltage on a tire inflator have to do with firearms??? F&%kin Peoples Republic of Kalifornia..sheesh.. I can only dream that I never get stationed there.. as most of my toys/pets/hobbies are already banned or against the law there... Collin Sorry for offtopic...(and I am NOT trying to start a gun thread!! hehe) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 19:49:31 2000 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Group Rides To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX LOL Jay, Precisely why I have NOT said anything on any of the posts ;-) Back in not so younger and dumber days I ran one 204 down so bad in the rear that it litterally throwing rubber off it every time I hit the gas.. yikes! (but I HAD to get at least 2500 miles out of the dang thing) And then there is "pepe"... It had more or less slicks on it when I first got it.. and even after new tires, the suspension is gone beyond belief.. but it's just a commuter bike these days :) Although on some comments, I wouldn't discount a dirty bike as a poorly maintained one... when I was daily commuting on my old GSXR, it would often get super filthy even when I was washing it once per week, but stuff was most always in order on that one.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 20:10:25 2000 From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Chatterbox/Heads Up/Monday's Ride Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:10:00 EDT Digest Update Mode in Progress: 1. Chatterbox: Thanks, Razz and Collin for the feedback. I'll do some more looking around to see what will/won't work, and decide what to do. 2. Heads Up!: I saw that story on the news, as well. According to the press conference, an officer said it's called "Operation Rocket Roundup" (How witty :-p) Something about hearing a State Cop say that reminds me of when I got my bike learner's permit, and the 'gentleman' behind the counter replied ..."so yer gonna get yourself a murder cycle?!" Nice to know they're looking out for us. LOL Anyway, be careful out there. With all the BDC's talking on their cell phones, they might be calling about you now. 3. Today's ride. Thanks again, Chuck, for giving me a good excuse to get outta bed early on a day off. The ride was fun and took me on a few roads I had yet to explore. I'll agree with you on forgetting that one road, Chuck. But the rest were fine. Now, as nervous as I was having Glenn behind me after you left, we made it up and around with no real problem. (Just kidding, Glenn) Well, partially kidding! ;) The ride was fun and moderately paced, aside from that one collection of cages being led by the earth mover. Boy, did that blow! One word to everyone out there, watch out for the tar snakes on the road. When it heats up, they do get slick. Had the rear slide a bit on a nice left sweeper where 28 comes in. (Stay away from me, Glenn!) We ended up back at Staub's and chatted a bit and we all headed home. Glad to hear their ride back was safe. I blasted across 109 into Hyattstown and down 355 to home. All in all, about 85 miles round trip, and a good time. See you all on the next ride. Rob '98 VFR800 Red (we're everywhere! ;) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 20:57:08 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:53:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Flat tire story "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > >From the link that horkster sent with nifty tire inflator: > "Note: due to firearms restrictions in California, residents there will > have to run this on 10 volts instead of 12." > > What is up with that?? >From my understanding, it's a cynical comment about some handgun law in KA limiting magazines to 10 rounds or something. The air pump is great, only takes a couple of minutes to air up a big rear tire. Great for gently airing up rear shocks, air mattresses, footballs, bicycle tires, etc. too. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 21:20:41 2000 From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Tire Inflation Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:20:04 -0700 Pete: My experience, though not vast, does include some long haul rides into wild deserted (and dessert too) and offroad destinations. I found that its just plain easier to carry a small bicycle pump for these occasions. About 100-150 pumps of the small pump will fill a motorcycle tire (rear of a Suz. DR650). It doesn't run out (until you run out of patience/will power) and if the fix isn't perfect you can still refill the tire. All these cannot be done with the CO2 cartridges which end up being more expensive and space consuming (6-8 is one tire ?). I have a small pump purchased at K-Mart for $10. Been using it for 4 years now. Have fun. Know which side is up. Niv BMW F650ST Pete wrote: All- On Saturday I went out for a ride, and a spectacular day it was. On 601, Mt. Weather Road, I encountered a biker stuck on the side of the road with a flat. Since I had one of those glue+plug+CO2 kits, a couple of years old, I said what the heck, and we worked on plugging up the tire. Turns out that the two CO2 charges weren't enough to come close to completely inflating his tire. For a large tire, such as was on his bike (and what's on mine, for that matter), I'd guess at least four, and more comfortably five or six would be called for. The small puncture was in the thinnest part of his well worn rear tire. I don't think that plug or that tire was worth a tinker's damn. However, the plugged, underinflated tire was enough to allow us him limp along 601 to a mutual friend's house (that was a surprise!) Riding 601 at about twenty miles an hour was an interesting experience... Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well- and that's basically the point of my story-if you have a mid to large sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get you road ready. Pete. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 21:57:00 2000 From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Monday Ride Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:56:26 -0700 After the rumors of bikes crashing, people going down, chains snapping, cats living with dogs, and all that from the weekend I decided it was time to actually join a ride. Glad I did. Have to thank Chuck for leading this ride. I have rarely had the opportunity to ride in a group and everything about the ride seemed to work really well. Chuck - you give great example in leading, in preparing, in dressing safely (full leathers, boots, gloves, knee pucks...) and in leading at a reasonable street pace. Some places where it seemed that we could go faster or that I would of gone faster alone were correctly taken slower. Job well done. We exchanged cell phone numbers in the morning at the coffee place and I believe that this should become common practice. Just pass a piece of paper and each rider that has a cell phone writes his name and number. Then pass the list around once more for everyone to copy it. As soon as people go missing anyone aware should open up his phone to receive calls and possibly call someone else to find out what is going on. Not everyone needs to be in on this but a few people per ride should have each other's numbers. In addition I followed Brian's suggestion and brought with me a first aid kit. I'm not a medic but I can administer basic 1st aid. Might not be a bad idea to find out who has a fairly good kit at home (a few plastic bandages and 1st aid cream do not count as a 1st aid kit) and try to make sure there is at least one on every ride. I am willing to lend mine to rides that I don't attend if it's not in use for other reasons. Thanks once more to Chuck. One day when I grow up I want to be like you :)....or at least lead a ride or two. Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 3 22:18:59 2000 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:47 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Maryland after sportbikes? Anyone see the FOX special about MD going after sportbikes? I taped the episode, and will pop it on my ftp site here in the next few minutes: ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:00:11 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:02:38 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Monday Ride Niv, You're welcome! %^) And yes, I did ride "slow". After everything that happened on Saturday, I decided that it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to tone the pace down a bit. And I was looking for roads I hadn't been on so didn't want to miss turns. Plus I always tend to ride conservatively on roads I've never been on -- I don't like surprises! This is just a long way of saying that despite attending CSS@VIR, I'm a wuss! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles Ahalan wrote : > > Have to thank Chuck for leading this ride. I have rarely had the opportunity to ride in a group and everything about the ride seemed to work really well. Chuck - you give great example in leading, in preparing, in dressing safely (full leathers, boots, gloves, knee pucks...) and in leading at a reasonable street pace. Some places where it seemed that we could go faster or that I would of gone faster alone were correctly taken slower. Job well done. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:03:04 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:05:31 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Chatterbox/Heads Up/Monday's Ride Yeah, what was up with that one road??? Started off pretty OK. 2 lanes wide. Line down the middle. Midly curvey. Not too unlike Partnership Road. But then it because this almost single lane thing with tight/blind curves. And tree-lined/covered -- with my dark visor I had a hard time seeing/being sure of the road surface! I will definitely pass on including that road in future rides! Robert Keiser wrote : > > 3. Today's ride. Thanks again, Chuck, for giving me a good excuse to get > outta bed early on a day off. The ride was fun and took me on a few roads I > had yet to explore. I'll agree with you on forgetting that one road, Chuck. > But the rest were fine. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:19:28 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:21:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Mike T CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Maryland after sportbikes? Mike, No, I didn't see the piece on Fox. But will visit your site when I have the time to view it (not now) -- thanx! Going after sportbikes (as opposed to motorcyles in general?) -- geez! I guess we were lucky we didn't get tagged today out on our ride. And I'm really enjoying riding the roads in Montgomery and Frederick counties. Is this a "backroads" type operation or more geared to nailing sportbikers on major roads and in more urban areas? Chuck Mike T wrote: > > Anyone see the FOX special about MD going after sportbikes? I taped the > episode, and will pop it on my ftp site here in the next few minutes: > > ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 00:26:00 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:25:47 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Mike T Subject: Re: Maryland after sportbikes? At 03:21 AM 7/4/2000 , Charles V. Pena wrote: >No, I didn't see the piece on Fox. But will visit your site when I have >the time to view it (not now) -- thanx! Going after sportbikes (as >opposed to motorcyles in general?) -- geez! I guess we were lucky we >didn't get tagged today out on our ride. And I'm really enjoying riding >the roads in Montgomery and Frederick counties. Is this a "backroads" >type operation or more geared to nailing sportbikers on major roads and >in more urban areas? Sorry I didn't give more detail. The report was rather vague, but did show two undercover bike cops on BMW sport bikes. They kept mentioning '150 to 180 miles per hour!' and how they will have a helicopter to chase anyone that tries to run. Curious what prompted this. It is just sport bikes they are going after. The beginning of the news story (not on the video - sorry not fast enough) named the program and it was something like 'Operation road rocket'. Likely major roads - I don;t picture them concentrating on the back roads where all the real fun is. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 07:41:52 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:41:39 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to SportBikes in MD. To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX OK, here's the news story. Md. Puts Brakes on Reckless Motorcyclists By Susan DeFord Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, July 4, 2000; Page B02 Maryland State Police say the latest serious danger on the highways is speeding sport motorcyclists who flout basic rules of safety, and now they are the target of a new crackdown. Announcing the enforcement action on the eve of the July 4 holiday, Col. David B. Mitchell, the state police superintendent, directed his remarks to aggressive motorcyclists who often travel at more than twice the posted speed limits on highways: "You have received the last warning from Maryland State Police. We intend to change your behavior." The campaign, called Operation Rocket Roundup, begins today and will continue through the summer, when motorcycle riding peaks. Mitchell spoke at a news conference at an Interstate 95 rest stop near Laurel, with a backdrop of a state police helicopter, police motorcycles and 20 state troopers. Two officers, dressed in ventilated black leather riding suits, were holding sleek full-face riding helmets and standing next to low-handled, late-model sport motorcycles that first gained popularity in Europe and are growing in number here. The bikes, designed for driver comfort and greater stability, can travel up to 150 mph. "I agree there is a problem out there," said Bob Henig, whose Jessup motorcycle shop supplied the sport bikes for the news conference. "People end up with toys they're not yet trained on." Mitchell described a June 2 accident in Howard County in which a motorcyclist traveling on I-95 at 150 mph struck a tractor-trailer and was killed instantly. On June 13 in Prince George's County, a sport motorcyclist trying to pass traffic on the shoulder along Route 50 crashed and was killed. Aggressive cyclists, dubbed "road rocket riders" by police, sweep across several lanes of traffic and weave among cars and along road shoulders. "There are too many stories to enumerate," said Mitchell, who added that the problem has worsened in the past three years and most often occurs on federal and state highways in urban areas. While troopers are reluctant to engage in prolonged chases to apprehend violators, "we have some other tricks up our sleeve," Mitchell said. That includes a police helicopter with a video camera to track and record aggressive drivers and strategically placed teams of troopers in cars and on motorcycles to slow down cyclists and pull them over. Surveillance may help officers track down cyclists who outrun police. State police asked motorists to dial #77 on their cellular phones to report aggressive cyclists as quickly and with as much detail as possible. Mitchell, who owns a motorcycle and has ridden for 36 years, said, "Even those who operate motorcycles recognize this is crazy." M-) 2000 The Washington Post Company Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 08:06:01 2000 From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:05:47 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to SportBikes in MD. To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Gypsylthr@XXXXXX, jayblock@XXXXXX, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX, rebel_rider69@XXXXXX, toni2000r@XXXXXX Apprehension Mechanism: One of the tactics that you can expect the police to use is partial pursuit. Partial pursuit is pursuit to the point of being able to read your license plate, photographing it, and breaking off the chase, and waiting for you at home. The precedence has been set for red-light camera to nail people by photo evidence. The legal theory is that you own the bike, you are responsible for its operation, and if you claim that the rider was not you, you are withholding evidence of a crime (accessory after the fact) by not revealing who you loaned your bike to during the time the crime was committed. A legal conundrum that traps people on red light camera issues. Whether this theory will hold water is the province of the courts, lawyers and future experience. However, it is enough of a theory to put police action in motion. The police have kicked off a campaign against sports bikes and if there is evidence that pursuits, and partial pursuits, are not getting the results the government wants, look to restrictions on sales, increases in fees and probably, additional protective clothing requirements. Its a familiar story and it looks like the law is getting ready to repeat it with a new category of rider. (Kathleen: As the legislative rep you can see where this is going and it's going to get real sticky in the Legislature. DC and VA are outside of our scope, but we can do some preemptive coordinating with the legislature and the MD State police. Contact me off line and lets see what we can do to for the Maryland Riders.) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 09:06:06 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:04:06 -0400 From: Tim Morrow To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride Statistics As a constant lurker and infrequent contributor to DC-Cycles, I have followed the group ride/crash stastistics exchanges with interest. I'm amazed at the number of people criticizing Brian for his insights into problem. Folks, Brian is right. There is no excuse for the number of accidents suffered in recent group rides. His suggestion that those who want to ride hard (and anyone who is making multiple strafing passes on 211 certainly qualifies) should get themselves to the track, either for track days or for licensing, is right on target. Tim Morrow -- MSF #21769 CCS M/A Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 09:08:46 2000 From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:08:33 EDT Subject: Re: Heads Up - Warning to Racers in MD. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/3/00 06:58:46 Eastern Daylight Time, Gawthrop@XXXXXX writes: >Also, MD is >advertising a mobile number ( # something) for drivers to call in with >descriptions and tag numbers All the more reason not to wash your bike ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 09:46:11 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 06:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: John Kozyn , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- John Kozyn wrote: > Brian always seems to have a bad day Laura. It's > part of his antagonistic > charm, I guess. In fact, he who couldn't wait to > bail outta DC moved to > Arizona just to get away from himself ;) But he > screwed up. Hehehe, just > kidding Brian,...maybe :) > > Laura, you _are_ right and Brian McCoy is wrong > here; big time. The rest of > this is for BM and not Ms. Granato : > > ------ > > Dood, you are so heavy-handed in your criticism, > that even a critical, > heavy-handed sort like me gets offended. (I'm > serious). > > You dont give anyone quarter. The worst thing about > it is that you're as > young as you are. You're what,... 25? Lighten up and > please spare DC-Cycles > from any more of your hubris. Here, here.....finally somebody speaks up about the bullshit that sometimes flows into the list from Arizona. I'm just a little surprised that it was JK that finally broke the ice! Not that your posts aren't occasionally very insightful, Brian....it's really nice to read a post that you have spent some time putting together on a given topic that you have learned at MMI. I'm sure most of us consider it a no-cost classroom session. The problem lies in the rest of your posts....for those I can actually envision you patting yourself on the back while you're hitting the send button, and all I can remember of your riding abilities is that you go down on the street a hell of a lot more than most of us. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 10:17:52 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:17:38 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Here's my two cents on this whole thing. Rather than keep arguing about who's to blame, why not take the info and criticisms given and learn from them? This list has a history of letting things develop into long, drawn out flame wars that occassionally end up pissing off and chasing away some listers. I thought this list was supposed to be about riding and having fun, not bickering and pointing fingers. Shit happens. Learn from it and move on. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 10:38:32 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Here's my two cents on this whole thing. Rather than > keep arguing about who's > to blame, why not take the info and criticisms given > and learn from them? It would be nice if you could quote some original text so I could figure out if this was directed at me. Brian is the one pointing fingers here....not me. I'm simply pointing out that he should put that finger somewhere else. > This list has a history of letting things develop > into long, drawn out flame > wars that occassionally end up pissing off and > chasing away some listers. I > thought this list was supposed to be about riding > and having fun, not > bickering and pointing fingers. Shit happens. Learn > from it and move on. This list is for more than shits and grins. Speaking of riding....myself and 4 buddies (Todd Peer, Glenn Dysart, Steve Beck, Dillon Dickson) did just over 600 miles yesterday on a WVa sport-tour. Incredible day, up until the rains started--over 100 miles from home. Luckily, the supposed increased police presence for the holiday weekend was nowhere to be seen. Glenn Dysart could post the route for anybody interested in doing a FULL DAY of riding. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 10:57:00 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:56:52 -0400 From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Md. Puts Brakes on Reckless Motorcyclists Md. Puts Brakes on Reckless Motorcyclists http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43815-2000Jul4.html By Susan DeFord Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, July 4, 2000; Page B02 Maryland State Police say the latest serious danger on the highways is speeding sport motorcyclists who flout basic rules of safety, and now they are the target of a new crackdown. Announcing the enforcement action on the eve of the July 4 holiday, Col. David B. Mitchell, the state police superintendent, directed his remarks to aggressive motorcyclists who often travel at more than twice the posted speed limits on highways: "You have received the last warning from Maryland State Police. We intend to change your behavior." The campaign, called Operation Rocket Roundup, begins today and will continue through the summer, when motorcycle riding peaks. Mitchell spoke at a news conference at an Interstate 95 rest stop near Laurel, with a backdrop of a state police helicopter, police motorcycles and 20 state troopers. Two officers, dressed in ventilated black leather riding suits, were holding sleek full-face riding helmets and standing next to low-handled, late-model sport motorcycles that first gained popularity in Europe and are growing in number here. The bikes, designed for driver comfort and greater stability, can travel up to 150 mph. "I agree there is a problem out there," said Bob Henig, whose Jessup motorcycle shop supplied the sport bikes for the news conference. "People end up with toys they're not yet trained on." Mitchell described a June 2 accident in Howard County in which a motorcyclist traveling on I-95 at 150 mph struck a tractor-trailer and was killed instantly. On June 13 in Prince George's County, a sport motorcyclist trying to pass traffic on the shoulder along Route 50 crashed and was killed. Aggressive cyclists, dubbed "road rocket riders" by police, sweep across several lanes of traffic and weave among cars and along road shoulders. "There are too many stories to enumerate," said Mitchell, who added that the problem has worsened in the past three years and most often occurs on federal and state highways in urban areas. While troopers are reluctant to engage in prolonged chases to apprehend violators, "we have some other tricks up our sleeve," Mitchell said. That includes a police helicopter with a video camera to track and record aggressive drivers and strategically placed teams of troopers in cars and on motorcycles to slow down cyclists and pull them over. Surveillance may help officers track down cyclists who outrun police. State police asked motorists to dial #77 on their cellular phones to report aggressive cyclists as quickly and with as much detail as possible. Mitchell, who owns a motorcycle and has ridden for 36 years, said, "Even those who operate motorcycles recognize this is crazy." M-) 2000 The Washington Post Company From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 11:01:11 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike To: FGrefe@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Art Crow (former owner of Rider Accessory Warehouse) was/is a wealth of information on all things motorcycle. He closed up shop to concentrate on health concerns. Has anybody had any communication with him of late? Corbett '99 K1200RS --- FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/00 6:08:15 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > tansey@XXXXXX writes: > > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 > Virago 535, so I do not > > have a center stand. > > park it so the kids around here have less of a > chance of pulling the bike > > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly > easier to rock it off > > balance. > > Some covers come with holes at the bottom, so you > can pinch the cover > together underneath the bike and lock the two sides > together. This way the > cover can't be taken off. If your cover doesn't > come with them, it wouldn't > be hard to add them. When I lived in a condo in > Reston, I never had any > problems with the kids as long as I kept the bike > covered. Of course this > didn't stop the A-holes that stole it, but it wasn't > a gated parking lot > either. > > My favorite story came from Art, the guy who used to > own the motorcycle > accessory store in Falls Church. He had a nice BMW > that he kept parked in > front of his townhouse. Whenever he'd see the > neighborhood kids starting to > touch or climb on his bike, he come outside, tell > them that they set off the > "silent alarm" and warn them to stay off it. Now > usually the kids were doing > this with their parents standing by and the parents > would never keep the kids > off the bike. One day, when he got tired of telling > the same kids to stay > off the bike, he watched as the kids started > climbing on the bike and the > parents just stood by. Art ran out of the house, > while racking a shotgun. > Now that he had everyone's full attention he said > "Oh its just you kids. You > set the alarm off and I thought someone was stealing > my bike." After that > day, the parents wouldn't let the kids get within 20 > feet of the bike. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 11:36:05 2000 From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:35:47 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/4/00 10:38:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > It would be nice if you could quote some original text > so I could figure out if this was directed at me. > Here's your quotes. My previous message was directed toward anyone who reads it. >Brian is the one pointing fingers here....not me. I'm >simply pointing out that he should put that finger >somewhere else. Why should he put that finger somewhere else? From reading his posts, I agree with Brian. IMHO, he didn't say anything that wasn't obvious, but apparently some people need bright neon signs to point things out to them. If anything he said offended you, then perhaps you're guilty of the things he pointed out. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 11:43:43 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:43:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride Statistics To: Tim Morrow , dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Tim Morrow wrote: > As a constant lurker and infrequent contributor to > DC-Cycles, I have > followed the group ride/crash stastistics exchanges > with interest. I'm > amazed at the number of people criticizing Brian for > his insights into > problem. Folks, Brian is right. There is no excuse > for the number of > accidents suffered in recent group rides. Of course Brian is right in this respect.....it's just that Brian isn't the one who should be lecturing the group about it....and he should know that. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 12:04:53 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/4/00 10:38:48 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > >Brian is the one pointing fingers here....not me. > >I'm simply pointing out that he should put that > >finger somewhere else. > > Why should he put that finger somewhere else? Because he talks down at the group as though he were the last word in motorcycle riding, safety and maintenance. > From reading his posts, I agree > with Brian. IMHO, he didn't say anything that wasn't > obvious, but apparently > some people need bright neon signs to point things > out to them. If anything > he said offended you, then perhaps you're guilty of > the things he pointed out. Nope....that's the beauty of it. BRIAN HIMSELF is guilty of the things he pointed out. And if you like the way that Brian attempts to preach to the group, I feel for you. DC-Cycles has "not gone downhill, but fallen off a cliff" because a few poor souls made some mistakes? If only we were all so perfect as Brian and yourself.....but wait: I seem to recall a Van Slyke having a mishap on a group ride within the last 2 years. Could that have been you? -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 12:09:51 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:09:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Ride Statistics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX As a follow up to my last message.... I spoke recently with a friend who rode with Mr. McCoy a couple years back. Apparently Brian showed up on a group ride with a bike that had, in essence, NO WORKING BRAKES. He thereafter proceeded to run off the road. And I'm supposed to listen to his sermon without laughing out loud? Please. --- Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Tim Morrow wrote: > > As a constant lurker and infrequent contributor to > > DC-Cycles, I have > > followed the group ride/crash stastistics > exchanges > > with interest. I'm > > amazed at the number of people criticizing Brian > for > > his insights into > > problem. Folks, Brian is right. There is no excuse > > for the number of > > accidents suffered in recent group rides. > > Of course Brian is right in this respect.....it's > just > that Brian isn't the one who should be lecturing the > group about it....and he should know that. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 12:54:05 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 12:59:19 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed Hey all I have been reading and posting to the flame war that has taken place the last few days since Saturdays ride. The only thing that upsets me is that if the same people where sitting around on their bikes (me included) where having the same conversation in person, I just don't see the tensions reaching the point they have gotten too on the list. We all have a love of riding and group rides are a great way for us to share our love for the sport and exchange stories as well as make new friends and finally put faces to the word that we spend so much time reading. I feel a camaraderie with you all and look forward to reading your posts and seeing what's new with everyone. I have been on the list now for over a year and can tell when some one has had a bad day just from how they post. I feel the pain of everyone of us that goes down, visualizing the turn of events in my head and wondering if there was anything I would have done differently or if I would have ended up doing the same thing with the same out come. There has been times that I look back at some of my posts and wish I could delete it out of everyone's email and replace it with a new message better worded, but you can't and I try and take that into account when I read the occasional post that strikes the wrong cord. Besides if we all had the same point of view what a boring list this would be. I look at you all like kind of an extended family. You are the people that I can share my passion of bikes with. As I'm sure you all know that look that non riders get when you get a little to long winded about a ride or bike related topic. That one that said "my god, doesn't this guy think about anything else?". Well I think I have spent enough time on the soap box so I will pass it on the next person. Take care all and hope to talk and see you all soon. Until then take care, Nelson 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 13:07:28 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:09:55 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" To: Nelson Fernandez CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed Hey Nelson! Is that a clip or rivet master link??? %^) Skittles, aka Chuck Nelson Fernandez wrote : > > Until then take care, > Nelson > 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 13:18:02 2000 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:23:17 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez To: "Charles V. Pena" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed Its a clip for right now but when I make the convertion to the 520 setup it will most likely be a rivet. I needed a chain that I could put on with what I had on me to get the bike home. Nelson "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Hey Nelson! Is that a clip or rivet master link??? %^) > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > Nelson Fernandez wrote : > > > > Until then take care, > > Nelson > > 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:26:12 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Garcia Oliver" , "Mark Kitchell" Cc: "'Matthew Ehlert'" , "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:20:23 -0400 I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, its interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so > smart. > > mark Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try Holland. Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of Western Europe is far less restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, for starters. Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. Just don't be a Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh (or, earlier, Mormon). Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's County has more cases in a month than Iceland has in a decade. Political freedom? US has the full range of political discourse from "A" to "B". You can say what you want because (and as long as) it doesn't matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks on the Civil Rights movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther Party. And, btw, this email and all others are monitored ("Project Echelon") by the US government, according to a PC World Magazine report. (..."According to intelligence experts in the United States and Europe, a massive electronic intercept program called Project Echelon scans all Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, and long-distance telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic communication--looking for evidence of terrorist activity, military threats, and transnational crime. "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive U.S. National Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom...") The article was at: I hope that this has answered your question. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:35:48 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Brian McCoy" , "dc" Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:30:06 -0400 Again, this may be a late response, but been out of town... Brian, First, What exactly do you mean by "read more and more like DC Sportbiker?" I am truly interested to know. Second, how can you say "But the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to the bikes or ourselves." and then "no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be." You think that its ALWAYS the riders fault, for EVERY mishap???? A buddy of mine had his bike stolen, guess it was his fault for owning one in the first place, what a dumb ass. Were you on something when you wrote this bullshit? It really disturbs me every time I'm reminded that there's people like you out there. -----Original Message----- From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 6:30 PM To: dc Subject: rides today... is it just me, or does it seem to everyone like DC-Cycles is starting to read more and more like DC Sportbiker... Yea, all the 'incidents' are accidents. But there are some people (myself included) who feel that EVERY mishap on a motorcycle is the Riders fault. Be it from lack of maintenance on the riders part (the chain and front tire today), to lack of awareness of your surroundings (the bent rims, and sand episode). And then the all-to-common 'riding over your head' episodes. Yea, I can think of a thousand excuses for all of them too.. so save it. Maybe it's time for everyone to reevaluate what riding means to them.. are you riding for the pure thrill of living on the edge and willing to take the risks of damaging your machine/body as well as possibly someone else's property AND ruining others enjoyment (if riding in a group)? If so, then allow your tires to go bald, skip the regular maintenance and upkeep on the bike and continue riding in your traditional reckless manor. But perhaps you should also hang a sign on your bike so the people who don't want to accept YOUR risks can quietly depart to have a fun and SAFE ride by themselves. But those are the people it's relatively easy to pick out of a crowd... what about those who just don't pay attention to their surroundings? Well, those people are a little harder to finger until they toss a bike, or pull a bonehead move infront of others. That's mostly true with those who ride over their heads. And, yes.. I've been guilty of all of the above.. and I got tired of the shit being on my conscious all the time. I fixed the bike and haven't had a problem with it since.. I got onto the racetrack to raise my ability on the bike so I wasn't pushing my limits so damn much when out with groups and riding with friends. And I made the mental change to open my eyes more, though that still does slip every now and again where I invite trouble. But the difference here is that I'm NOT having incidents.. I go out and ride with friends and we all go home under our own power with no new damage to the bikes or ourselves. I'm beginning to regret hounding the list for a group ride around Memorial day.. that seemed to be one of the pushes to get group rides going again - but it doesn't seem like people are capable of doing those rides. For once, I'm glad I'm not in that area and only have occasional association through e-mail. The list hasn't gone downhill.. it's dropped off a cliff. *shaking his head* Brian McCoy - no, I'm no better than anyone else, and never claimed to be. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:37:14 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: , Subject: RE: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:31:38 -0400 I'm very sorry to hear about this. Keep your heads up. -----Original Message----- From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [mailto:FGrefe@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:39 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 1, no 2,.....OH NO 3 CRASHES 2 on 211 going over Thorton's Gap and another on 678. Those who were involved can post details if they'd like to. Fred Grefe GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 14:59:38 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Saturdays ride and the Flame war that followed To: Nelson Fernandez Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I agree.... i am glad to join this list recently and see that people are not afraid to post their opinions... and especially those that had miss haps and have the guts to post... so that others might learn. as far as laying down a motorcycle..... there is a old saying in aviation about landing gear up that i think applies "there is those of us that have, and those of us that will" as far as successful group ride there is another old aviation saying that i think applies as well "a good landing is when you are able to crawl away" anyways Saturday i had something happen to me that never occurred to think about...... my wife rode on the back of my suzuki 1400 intruder.... and we went up to Thorton's gap parked and climb up and summated Mary's rock... about 1200 ft ascent. Hiking back down i knew we were both getting a little tired by our feet stumbling on the rocky trial. So we agreed to take more stops on our way back to falls church, va..... getting up to speed on 211 on the straight section... suddenly i feel my wife's helmet hit mine and a strong jerk to the left as my wife realized she had fallen asleep.... needless to say i was able to keep the bike in a somewhat straight line.... followed by blows to my back from my wife (our hand signals to stop and get some coffee). --- Nelson Fernandez wrote: > Hey all > > I have been reading and posting to the flame war > that has taken place > the last few days since Saturdays ride. The only > thing that upsets me > is that if the same people where sitting around on > their bikes (me > included) where having the same conversation in > person, I just don't see > the tensions reaching the point they have gotten too > on the list. We > all have a love of riding and group rides are a > great way for us to > share our love for the sport and exchange stories as > well as make new > friends and finally put faces to the word that we > spend so much time > reading. I feel a camaraderie with you all and look > forward to reading > your posts and seeing what's new with everyone. I > have been on the list > now for over a year and can tell when some one has > had a bad day just > from how they post. I feel the pain of everyone of > us that goes down, > visualizing the turn of events in my head and > wondering if there was > anything I would have done differently or if I would > have ended up doing > the same thing with the same out come. > > There has been times that I look back at some of my > posts and wish I > could delete it out of everyone's email and replace > it with a new > message better worded, but you can't and I try and > take that into > account when I read the occasional post that strikes > the wrong cord. > Besides if we all had the same point of view what a > boring list this > would be. I look at you all like kind of an > extended family. You are > the people that I can share my passion of bikes > with. As I'm sure you > all know that look that non riders get when you get > a little to long > winded about a ride or bike related topic. That one > that said "my god, > doesn't this guy think about anything else?". > > Well I think I have spent enough time on the soap > box so I will pass it > on the next person. Take care all and hope to talk > and see you all > soon. > > Until then take care, > Nelson > 94 Fizzer (with yet another new chain) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:02:23 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:05:32 -0400 > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." > My concern is not what other countries have more or less freedom than the US, but that we are able to preserve and protect the freedom that we have. >From my perspective, it seems that many freedoms previously taken for granted are being eroded. The process is so slow and gradual that we do not immediately see what is happening. But it seems like the pace is picking up and most of these new 'feel good' laws are being proposed, implemented, and enforced under the name of safety. With each new safety device or perceived threat, the line drawn in the sand gets closer and closer to me. In the grand scheme of things, a helmet protest is a small thing. But put in the perspective of pushing back the line in the sand, it is important and those who choose to participate should be commended. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:03:51 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: , Subject: RE: rides today... Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:58:12 -0400 Oh, please. The only one that does not seem to be doing any self-examination is Brian. Yes, I'm newer to this list but I sure am not going to trust the opinions of someone who thinks they know everything, and thinks they can condemn a whole list, while they themselves are now somehow exempt from crashes because he's been on a bike a whopping FIVE YEARS. -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 8:56 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: rides today... In a message dated 7/2/00 01:47:19 Eastern Daylight Time, v4mofo@XXXXXX writes: > Shoot, but what the hell do I know.. I'm just some 26 year old punk kid > who's only been riding for 5 years Brian - from a 54 year old punk kid who's only been riding for 39 years, hang in there. You are saying things that need to be said, and saying them well. If others are taking offence, perhaps they should be looking in the mirror a bit more closely. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:13:45 2000 From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:16:55 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFE5CA.E39DFE40 I am a recent subscriber to this list. I've been riding about 29 years, = started riding dirt bikes, next mostly cruisers, and I occassionally = ride a full dress bike. I haven't tried sport bikes yet, but there's = still time... Since this list seems to have a large number of sport = bike riders, I have a question. I read the article in today's paper about Operation Rocket Roundup. = This is a police a enforcement technique using a combination of = motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks. =20 What are your perceptions of this program? Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair = enforcement policies regarding this program? Do you believe this program is right or wrong? I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I = have yet to experience. Kathleen Loerich ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFE5CA.E39DFE40
I am a recent subscriber to this = list.  I've=20 been riding about 29 years, started riding dirt bikes, next mostly = cruisers, and=20 I occassionally ride a full dress bike.  I haven't tried sport = bikes yet,=20 but there's still time...  Since this list seems to have a large = number of=20 sport bike riders, I have a question.
 
I read the article in today's paper = about Operation=20 Rocket Roundup.  This is a police a enforcement technique using a=20 combination of motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks.  =
 
What are your perceptions of this=20 program?
 
Do you believe that the police will use = safe,=20 judicious, and fair enforcement policies regarding this = program?
 
Do you believe this program is right or = wrong?
 
I'm mostly curious, because many of you = indulge in=20 a type of riding I have yet to experience.
 
Kathleen = Loerich
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BFE5CA.E39DFE40-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:14:00 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Kathleen Loerich" , Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:08:17 -0400 Then those efforts should be applied toward a valid issue, in which there are multiple valid viewpoints such as capital punishment, abortion, taxation or even immigration issues. -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Loerich [mailto:KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 3:06 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmet Protest, July 4th > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." > My concern is not what other countries have more or less freedom than the US, but that we are able to preserve and protect the freedom that we have. >From my perspective, it seems that many freedoms previously taken for granted are being eroded. The process is so slow and gradual that we do not immediately see what is happening. But it seems like the pace is picking up and most of these new 'feel good' laws are being proposed, implemented, and enforced under the name of safety. With each new safety device or perceived threat, the line drawn in the sand gets closer and closer to me. In the grand scheme of things, a helmet protest is a small thing. But put in the perspective of pushing back the line in the sand, it is important and those who choose to participate should be commended. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:45:29 2000 From: "Big Matty" To: "Wysocki, Bannon" , "'Charles V. Pena'" , "DC Cycles" , "Bannon Wysocki" Subject: RE: Saturday ride - not the best Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:39:39 -0400 BTW, Bannon I know this is late but I'm pretty sure it was you in front of me who motioned with your foot about the pothole on McArthur that ultimately Constantino hit - if you hadn't motioned I would have hit it as well. I motioned as well, but Constantino was either too close or didn't see me soon enough or whatever. In any case, this is a perfect example of the importance of handsignals. THANKS! -----Original Message----- From: Wysocki, Bannon [mailto:Bannon.Wysocki@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 10:11 AM To: 'Charles V. Pena'; DC Cycles; Bannon Wysocki Subject: RE: Saturday ride - not the best Just A Thought... I was on the ride July 1st and the one before that too (BANNON R6). I am amazed at the ratio of crashers to riders. I can see that there are many causes to these incidents: Ability/knowledge, size of group and speed, mechanical. My first point of ability is one that only the rider knows. No one is out to "upstage" any one with regards to riding ability. Please ride within yours and the rides will be much more enjoyable for everyone. My rule of thumb is to NEVER ride behind someone that is slower than me because it takes me out of my natural flow on the roads. If I have to break mid turn because someone is easing through it, I'm putting myself and anyone behind me in a hairy situation. Also, everyone should know how to ride in a group, i.e. 2 second rule, etc. and know all of the hand signals used for communication, i.e., one finger pointing straight up to indicate single file riding, foot signals, etc. We should go over these every ride. It will only make all of us better is we ride with people whom we don't know. Second point of size and speed of the group is a coordination point. Smaller groups are just more manageable. There is no reason why we can't start off with smaller groups (6) and then let the people ride into different groups through natural selection. If you can catch the group in front of you, fine and you won't be running into point number 1. We always have natural regrouping points along the way and I don't mind waiting for any one and appreciate it when people wait for me. Finally, mechanically sound bikes are the easiest way not to get surprised. Always check air pressure before riding which will cause you to LOOK at your tire wear. There is no excuse for worn tires, not even money. Just save up and don't ride because hospital bills and fairings cost a lot more than a new set of Dunlop's (mounted too). By default, keeping your bike clean will cause you to put your hands on every part of your bike and notice anything that may need tightening or repair, I haven't seen a dirty bike yet which is good. I think there should be a mandatory plan if we have an incident. First, check and see if the rider is OK then check the condition of the bike. If the bike is rideable, or should I say appears to be, continue or that rider should head back to the barn because a hidden crack in a frame is NOT safe and can lead to a catastrophic failure in machinery. EVERYONE must take responsibility for their machines. We all should have a plan if something should happen to someone's bike. And the answer is not Danny's wife! I'm not going to burden anyone with my mishap as long as I can walk and talk. We all need to carry cell phones, have a number to call if our rides become unrideable, have our insurance cards on us somewhere with a number to get in touch with a friend or relative if we need to have them meet us somewhere. I'm not trying to be cold or even a DICK but I don't think 26 riders need to stop and wait until someone is taken care of. The faster we can establish a plan for the incident, the faster we can all get back on the ride. As long as no one is hurt it should be OK for that person to wait and get picked up. If someone wants to volunteer to stay with that person that's cool too. Just know the ride plan and catch up later. If you don't know the ride plan, carry a print out of it. The easiest way to see the route is to put some masking tape on your gas tank and write the important turns on it in big black letters: L Rt. 55, R rt. 278, L rt. 66, etc. Then we should lose less riders, right. This is just common sense and good preparation. The rides will be more efficient and enjoyable if we all practice good motorcycle etiquette. I love riding with you all and will see you out there again. BANNON R6 Bannon P. Wysocki Region Manager Corporate Express Promotional Marketing Mid-Atlantic 1307 Ross Drive, SW, Vienna, VA 22180 Office: 703.242.4413 Fax: 703.783.8643 bannon.wysocki@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:07 PM To: DC Cycles; Bannon Wysocki Subject: Saturday ride - not the best We had a glorious day for riding today. And 20+ people showed up at the Sheetz to ride. But you know what they way about the best laid plans... With that many people, we decided that it would be best to sub-divide into at least 2, if not 3, groups of riders -- with Danny taking the lead. Turns out we lost 3 riders almost right away, i.e., the turn off of 55 to go to 17 and then to Warrenton, (and nobody even really noticed!) -- Fred, Han, and Sanath. Fortunately, Fred knew where we were headed and got there via another route. According to Fred and Han, somewhere along the way Sanath just took off -- and to the best of my knowledge, was not seen again. The rest of us took Old Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton to get to Crest Rd. and then onto Flint Hill and 211. I was riding sweep and saw a bunch off guys both on and off motorcycles to the side of the road. My first thought was that someone went down. Fortunately, that was not the case. Broken chain. Rider on a Yam FZR (sorry, but I know I didn't meet everyone and I also know I can't remember everyone's names!) After finding out what had happened I continued up the road to catch Danny and the rest of the group. Well, I guess they figured out something was wrong because I eventually caught them back-tracking. Anyway, we re-grouped and hung out in a gravel driveway off the side of the road while Danny called his wife and asked her to bring his truck to load up the FZR to take back to wherever. Danny volunteered to stay and said he would catch up with us at the base of the mountain (Dixie gas/gift shop). Todd Peer got volunteered to lead the "front" group out to Flint Hill and 211. I led the "back" group out after giving Todd a few minutes head start. On the way up the mountain, I noticed Han Park (and his bike, purple F2) standing on the side of the road. He looked calm and relaxed so I figured he was just taking a break (strange place for a break) and/or waiting for us (but why?) It turns out that Han and Fred (having lost Sanath) beat everyone to the mountain and had made at least one (if not two) runs already (even before the front group). What I didn't know at the time was that Han had lowsided in one of the turns. Fortunately, he was OK (although I have absolutely no idea how his butt managed to survive sliding wearing only jeans!) As best we could tell, the damage was mostly cosmetic (scuffed up left side fairing and broken windshield). But the F2 was ridable. The culprit in this accident may have been the front tire. Upon inspection, it was more than apparent that the tire had seen better days. Further up the road, there was a bit of chaos with lots of bikes off to the side and lots of people giving the "slow down" signal. Apparently, Kirt Senser (F4) also lowsided. The culprit in this accident was in all likelihood sand/gravel in the road. Bannon was riding in front of Kirt and he said he felt his back end step out and then looked in his mirrors and saw Kirt going down. BTW, I didn't witness either Han's or Kirt's crashes so others may have better details about what happened. Anyway, Kirt was/is OK. For those that are wondering, Aerostitch suits work! But his bike was/is not. The damage was more than cosmetic. In fact, it was not ridable back down the mountain. I went to the top and turned around to re-group with whoever was either at the top and/or following me. I then went back down the mountain and just waited/chilled at the Dixie gas/gift shop (there were already lots of lots of people helping out at the side of the road). Eventually, everyone drifted back down the mountain and parked it. Kirt caught a ride on the back of someone's m/c and left his F4 up on the mountain. We all waited for Danny to show up to figure out how best to handle this particular situation. When he finally did, Danny called the Honda Owner's Club to get a truck to come out to get Kirt's bike. Once again, Danny volunteered to stick around until help arrived. I was running out of riding time, so announced that I was heading back to civilization. Todd Peer led those who still wanted to ride up over Thornton Gap and then up to Front Royal. Hopefully, the rest of their ride was uneventful. A handful of us basically back-tracked on most of the roads we rode out on and went back to Marshall and eventually got on I-66 (at 15) to drone back in. I know I got 200 miles of riding, but definitely not "quality" miles. Certainly, not the best of days riding. I am glad that Han and Kirt are OK (even though there bikes are in various states of not-OK). I hope the rest of the ride with Todd went OK for everyone. I would've like to joined, but had to be home at 2pm and got home pretty much on time. I'm still doing the Monday ride leaving from The Java Shack at 9:30am (meet for espressos/lattes at 9am). We'll go up into Montgomery and Frederick Counties. 2-3 hours of riding. I've got some roads I want to check out so the pace won't be blistering. Everyone have a safe and happy 4th of July! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 15:48:44 2000 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Operation Rocket Roundup It's unclear to me... will we be seeing MD troopers on K1200RS's or were they just on loan from Bob's for the photo op? "standing next to low-handled, late-model sport motorcycles that first gained popularity in Europe and are growing in number here. The bikes, designed for driver comfort and greater stability, can travel up to 150 mph" I like the description of the RS's as "supposed cutting edge sport bikes." Don't get me wrong, I like them and they are VERY nice bikes, but I would not describe them as cutting edge sport bikes and certainly not the type that you're typical crotch-rocket DC-Cyclist (ooops, I mean hard riding sport biker) would ride. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 18:10:20 2000 From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Subject: see ya.. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:11:05 -0700 And in responce to my opinion about the downward trend of DC Cycles, the bands of roaving flamers leap out to prove my point. It's not worth my time anymore to put up with the BS from those who don't understand that opinions are as worthy as the time it'd take to hit the delete key. So I'm off... If anyone WANTS to hear my opinions, they can track me down through e-mail, ICQ or AIM. I'll probably be lurking around Anitas DC are riders page aswell.. Ride safe for those of you who ride, and flame on those of you who flame. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 18:38:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from academic.pg.cc.md.us (academic.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64Mcp814873 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by academic.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA32212; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:05:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Mike T cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Maryland after sportbikes? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000704002239.00a36630@mail.troutman.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Mike T wrote: > Curious what prompted this. It is just sport bikes > they are going after. Not to name names or anything (*cough*, *cough*), but isn't there "another" DC-area riders group whose creed and motto includes high-speed antics and running from the cops? :-) Hmmm, I'm off to check their web page... This almost helps with the pain of knowing my street ride won't be fixed for a while... Brad 99 CBR600 F4 (street, needs a-fixin') 99 SV650 (race) 88 FZR400 (race, soon to be for sale) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 18:42:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64Mgq814952 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-163.s163.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.163] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139bP0-0001t8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:42:50 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601bfe609$a3ad4900$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: MTAG - Maryland Electronic Toll Collection Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:46:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I must be getting nosy in my old age. But... Do any of you use the toll facilities in Baltimore? Have you had the = opportunity to use the MTAG lanes with your motorcycles? What, if any, = problems have you experienced using them with motorcycles? k.loerich ------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I must be getting nosy in my old = age. =20 But...
 
Do any of you use the toll facilities = in=20 Baltimore?  Have you had the opportunity to use the MTAG lanes with = your=20 motorcycles?  What, if any, problems have you experienced using = them with=20 motorcycles?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00B3_01BFE5E8.1BF3D040-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 19:16:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64NFw815540 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e64NFqp16819 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup In-Reply-To: <005601bfe5ec$6b4e4f40$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Kathleen Loerich wrote: > I read the article in today's paper about Operation Rocket > Roundup. This is a police a enforcement technique using a combination of > motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks. > What are your perceptions of this program? I'm wondering why they need a special program. I have been endangered myself more than once by the profile of rider that they're describing. Once was on the beltway near Greenbelt when 30+ bikes came through sunday afternoon traffic using any space available (shoulder, between cars, between bikes, whatever) the other was on the BW Parkway. Both times the bikes were traveling in excess of 100mph IN HEAVY TRAFFIC. > Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair > enforcement policies regarding this program? No, I only hope that I don't suffer because of this program. I am somewhat aggressive in moving through traffic but, believe it or not, this is oriented towards safety. I feel like a sitting duck riding along in heavy traffic. I tend to move through the big groups of traffic and then settle down into the more open bits between groups. > I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I > have yet to experience. Riding fast on local highways does not meet my definition of sport riding. Outside of the really high speeds the type of behavior this program targets was exhibited by cruisers and standard bikes. The type of bike you ride also doesn't define what you do with it. One of the smoothest/fastest riders I know rode a cruiser until fairly recently. Sport riding, to me, is about getting to the good, twisty roads and taking the corners briskly but cruising through the straights. It's about being AWAY from traffic and enjoying the pure pleasure of riding. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 19:45:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e64Nje816022 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.29.75c4307 (9665) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <29.75c4307.2693d116@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:45:26 EDT Subject: Re: rides today... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/4/00 12:05:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > Nope....that's the beauty of it. BRIAN HIMSELF is > guilty of the things he pointed out. > This is true, but he admitted that in his first post. The point is that it shouldn't happen. > And if you like the way that Brian attempts to preach > to the group, I feel for you. DC-Cycles has "not gone > downhill, but fallen off a cliff" because a few poor > souls made some mistakes? If only we were all so > perfect as Brian and yourself.....but wait: > I listen to what everyone has to say. Having ridden with Brian, and many others, I take what he and others have to say in perspective. And I agree that the list isn't what it used to be. There aren't group rides as often as before, and the rides that are planned are geared toward sportbikes. I would gladly volunteer to lead rides, but my work schedule prevents me from doing this. Perhaps I can get better days off in the coming shift bid at work and be able to lead some groups. At a slow pace, thank you. > I seem to recall a Van Slyke having a mishap on a > group ride within the last 2 years. Could that have > been you? Had you been there, you may recall that the accident was caused by a little red car in the middle of a narrow unmarked road coming the other way around a curve. I'm pretty sure everyone behind me saw this car, though I was too far ahead of them for them to see the accident happen. Arguing this is moot because it's your word versus mine, and I was there. Sigh, here we go pointing fingers again... Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 20:21:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e650L6816524 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705002059.1899.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.182] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:20:59 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: rides today... To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/4/00 12:05:15 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > t_gimer@XXXXXX writes: > > > I seem to recall a Van Slyke having a mishap on a > > group ride within the last 2 years. Could that > > have been you? > > Had you been there, you may recall that the accident > was caused by a little > red car in the middle of a narrow unmarked road > coming the other way around a > curve. I'm pretty sure everyone behind me saw this > car, though I was too far > ahead of them for them to see the accident happen. > Arguing this is moot > because it's your word versus mine, and I was there. > Sigh, here we go > pointing fingers again... What happened and how it happened isn't the point of all this. Perhaps I was a bit too eager to jump on the back of John Kozyn's comment to Brian....I had simply heard enough. I'm actually really sorry I even said anything. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 20:58:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e650wC817034 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705005805.6580.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:58:05 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: operation rocket roundup To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kathleen wrote: >What are your perceptions of this program? I think my overall reaction will have to be reserved to see how they run the operation, but i see why they are implementing it. There is another local riding group who primarily post on one of the Yahoo club boards. Often, they post on there about high speed runs from DC to baltimore, often after dark, winging in and out of traffic, and often with crashes or police eluding. (only picking on the other list cause they post about it all the time.... some here may do it, but they aren't posting about it) anywho.. this type of behavior is highly visible in the public eye and makes it easy for Joe Public to hate all motorcyclists based on their views of a small minority. >Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair = >enforcement policies regarding this program? That depends... I hear horror stories about one of the counties over in MD using pretty rough tactics... Using the helicoptor will make it much easier to track a running bike; however, getting a positive tag id is going to be very difficult. The type of rider who normally fits into the profile they are after are the riders that take their tag and stuff it waaaaaay up under their fender and in front of the rear tire at an angle. I still haven't figured out how this is legal since the tag is definitely not readable nor lighted, but I've yet to see it enforced either. So, they will likely have to pursue more to get a solid enough ID to hold up in court. More pursuit, especially with the higher speed cop bikes will likely result in more crashes rather than incidentless arrests/traffic stops. I can easily hear us reading in the paper about how a pursued biker died from running into a road block. Then watch the lawsuits fly. On several occasions, I have seen MD troopers stepping out into the middle of I-95 and hold the universal stop sign up.. presonally, you couldn't pay me enough to do something so foolish. >Do you believe this program is right or wrong? I can't think of any other real ways of solving the problem other than setting up something like a toll booth... observe the bikes from the air, then bust em at the toll booth.. but that would never be practical on I-95 in that area. Another question about the program is how they plan on dealing with jurisdictional lines. When the biker passes out of MD into VA, DC or whatever, will the helo be allowed to follow it and summons be served?? or will the pursuit be called off?? >I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I = >have yet to experience. Please don't conduse triple digit highway weaving with all aspects of sportbike riding... Most of us tend to avoid the superslabs as much as possible, moreso favoring isolated winding back roads. And while not necessarily at or below the posted limit, we *usually* ride pretty responsibly and reasonable (but of course, everyone gets carried away now and then) Hope any of this was useful to you Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:12:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651CU817269 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b0.76165eb (4574) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:12:16 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/4/00 15:50:22 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX writes: > It's unclear to me... > will we be seeing MD troopers on K1200RS's or were they just on loan from > Bob's for the photo op? And will they be able to get them into the 150 ~ 180 MPH range? Stay tuned - film at 11 Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651Fm817346 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.66.536e493 (4574) for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.536e493.2693e638@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:15:36 EDT Subject: Re: MTAG - Maryland Electronic Toll Collection To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/4/00 18:44:11 Eastern Daylight Time, KathleenLoerich@XXXXXX writes: > Do any of you use the toll facilities in Baltimore? Have you had the > opportunity to use the MTAG lanes with your motorcycles? What, if any, > problems have you experienced using them with motorcycles? If it's anything like the Fastoll/Smartag that Virginia uses, no problem. I'm using a Saeng radar detector mount to hold the transponder in an appropriate position and it reads (almost) every time. To be fair, it occasionally doesn't read when I'm in my minivan either. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:22:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651MJ817423 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id k.df.69af5d4 (4574); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:22:02 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: kirk@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/4/00 19:18:05 Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: > I'm wondering why they need a special program. Mr. Joe Q. Public, here are your tax dollars at work. - purely PR >> Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair >> enforcement policies regarding this program? Snort! > I am somewhat > aggressive in moving through traffic but, believe it or not, this is > oriented towards safety. Studies by the CHP (sorry don't have reference handy) have shown that one is safer moving slightly faster than traffic than maintaining the same speed. The key word here is "slightly" - in the 2-3 MPH delta V range. This provides you a measure of control that is missing when going with the flow. Michael J. PS - "assertive" may be a better word than "agressive", given the political implications of the latter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:53:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651r0817845 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e651qtA25642; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39629367.11A3C734@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:46:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, and proper leather jacket break in includes at least 100 miles of dragging it on a rope tied to your bike. Might have to try that to get teh damn paint off mine, courtesy of the new paint in the school where we had the rah-rah pep rally. Bill MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX > writes: > > > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke and it > > REALLY needs a cleaning! > > Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) > (it counts as a shower, too) > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:55:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651tF817858 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e651tBA25757; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: <396293EF.A2589A50@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:48:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tansey CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Get a Dowco cover with a "Gold Wing" logo - nobody will touch it :-) Bill Tansey wrote: > I'm hoping to pull my bike out of storage next weekend and bring it to my > apartment complex. I've always had a private/secure place to keep my bike > so I've got a few questions. > > I have assigned parking, so I'll be putting the bike against the curb and > parking my car behind it. I've got Kryptonite disc locks (2) and cable > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not > have a center stand. > > I live in a soon-to-be-gated complex, so with any luck I'll manage to not > have it stolen *fingers crosses*. I am concerned with the optimal way to > park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off > balance. > > >From what I can tell I'll be the only one here with a bike and I can see > the kids being very curious about the shiny bike they know lives under the > cover. > > Thanks in advance, > > Shannon From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 21:59:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e651xI817933 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e651x0A25959; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:01 -0400 Message-ID: <396294D4.B8BF484F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:52:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FGrefe@XXXXXX CC: tansey@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Advice on securing a bike References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... I used a different tactic with the nieghborhood kids. I expalined that fresh off the road parts of the bike were *hot* enough to burn them. Amnd the bike could fall over if they climbed on it. Then I said y`all can come over when I'm around and sit on it. Instant grins, and now I have at least 20 guardians of my bike. Bill FGrefe@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/2/00 6:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > tansey@XXXXXX writes: > > with lock, as well as a Dowco cover. I have a '90 Virago 535, so I do not > > have a center stand. > > park it so the kids around here have less of a chance of pulling the bike > > down. With just the kickstand it's significantly easier to rock it off > > balance. > > Some covers come with holes at the bottom, so you can pinch the cover > together underneath the bike and lock the two sides together. This way the > cover can't be taken off. If your cover doesn't come with them, it wouldn't > be hard to add them. When I lived in a condo in Reston, I never had any > problems with the kids as long as I kept the bike covered. Of course this > didn't stop the A-holes that stole it, but it wasn't a gated parking lot > either. > > My favorite story came from Art, the guy who used to own the motorcycle > accessory store in Falls Church. He had a nice BMW that he kept parked in > front of his townhouse. Whenever he'd see the neighborhood kids starting to > touch or climb on his bike, he come outside, tell them that they set off the > "silent alarm" and warn them to stay off it. Now usually the kids were doing > this with their parents standing by and the parents would never keep the kids > off the bike. One day, when he got tired of telling the same kids to stay > off the bike, he watched as the kids started climbing on the bike and the > parents just stood by. Art ran out of the house, while racking a shotgun. > Now that he had everyone's full attention he said "Oh its just you kids. You > set the alarm off and I thought someone was stealing my bike." After that > day, the parents wouldn't let the kids get within 20 feet of the bike. > > Fred Grefe > GTS1000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 22:03:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6523u818030 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6523jA26229; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:03:46 -0400 Message-ID: <396295F1.87666957@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:57:05 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Hartzler CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Flat Tire Story References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pack a small bicycle pump that clips onto the stem. Builds up the pecs `cause it will take a 100 or more pump to gas a tire. Bill Peter Hartzler wrote: > All -- > > On Saturday I went out for a ride, and a spectacular day it was. On 601, > Mt. Weather Road, I encountered a biker stuck on the side of the road with > a flat. Since I had one of those glue+plug+CO2 kits, a couple of years > old, I said what the heck, and we worked on plugging up the tire. > > Turns out that the two CO2 charges weren't enough to come close to > completely inflating his tire. For a large tire, such as was on his bike > (and what's on mine, for that matter), I'd guess at least four, and more > comfortably five or six would be called for. > > The small puncture was in the thinnest part of his well worn rear tire. > I don't think that plug or that tire was worth a tinker's damn. However, > the plugged, underinflated tire was enough to allow us him limp along 601 > to a mutual friend's house (that was a surprise!) Riding 601 at about > twenty miles an hour was an interesting experience... > > Anyhow, I learned a lot by doing this, and now I'm looking to replace the > kit... I'll be sure to pick up some extra inflation charges as well -- > and that's basically the point of my story -- if you have a mid to large > sized tire, you will want more than a couple of small CO2 bottles to get > you road ready. > > Pete. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 22:14:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e652Eq818363 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-52.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.244]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24403 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:17:23 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I 100% agree with this. I just hope the cops in MD are targeting this program towards the yahoos/hooligans who ride on the interstates and other major thoroughfares. Hope they leave us alone on the backroads. Chuck, aka Skittles Kirk Roy wrote : > > Sport riding, to me, is about getting to the good, twisty roads and taking > the corners briskly but cruising through the straights. It's about being > AWAY from traffic and enjoying the pure pleasure of riding. -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 4 23:48:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e653m5819958 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705034757.23526.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.7.100] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:47:57 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 20:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii thanks for your subjective views although i find it a socialistic view point... comparing other countries is healthy and we need objectivism. i don't think it's wise.... to not fight frivolous laws being passed in America. Our choices are being taking away...i call that pathetic. and also...one can be multitasked in his/hers efforts(meaning just because you fight the helmet law doesn't mean you can't fight taxation.. ect..). Multitasking is not just for Bill Gates and Windows..... contrary to popular beliefs. --- Big Matty wrote: > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on > today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are > so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence > Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you > make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other > countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more > freedom." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > What countries have more freedom than the US? > Name them if you are so > > smart. > > > > mark > > Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. > > Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try > Holland. > > Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of > Western Europe is far less > restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, > Denmark, for starters. > > Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. > Just don't be a > Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh > (or, earlier, Mormon). > > Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's > County has more cases in a > month than Iceland has in a decade. > > Political freedom? US has the full range of > political discourse from "A" > to "B". You can say what you want because (and as > long as) it doesn't > matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks > on the Civil Rights > movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther > Party. > > And, btw, this email and all others are monitored > ("Project Echelon") by > the US government, according to a PC World Magazine > report. > > (..."According to intelligence experts in the United > States and Europe, a > massive electronic intercept program called Project > Echelon scans all > Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, > and long-distance > telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic > communication--looking > for evidence of terrorist activity, military > threats, and transnational > crime. > > "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive > U.S. National > Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, > Canada, New Zealand, > and the United Kingdom...") > > The article was at: > > > > I hope that this has answered your question. > > --garcia > > > "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee > into a bottle in front > of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job > stacking boxes of > Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 00:53:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e654rm820933 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12546 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jul 2000 04:53:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000705045340.12545.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.26.194.47 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:53:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.26.194.47] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:53:40 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I had a leather jacket that when new, was leaned (by me) onto a freshly painted wall corner. I could never get it out, and lived with it for many years. A friend said "I have something that will get that out". I said "yea,.. right". He brought out a bottle of "Goof-0ff" (sold in any hardware store) and the paint was gone in seconds.....no damage to the leather. I am sold on the stuff. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 > >Yeah, and proper leather jacket break in includes at least 100 miles of >dragging >it on a rope tied to your bike. > >Might have to try that to get teh damn paint off mine, courtesy of the new >paint >in the school where we had the rah-rah pep rally. > >Bill > >MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX > > writes: > > > > > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > > > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > > > > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke >and it > > > REALLY needs a cleaning! > > > > Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) > > (it counts as a shower, too) > > > > Michael J. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 00:58:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e654w9821031 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-122.s122.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.122] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139hGA-0003IJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:58:06 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: Volt Thread, was RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/04/00 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfe63c$88371240$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200007042300.e64N02S15213@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > From: "Collin T. Fagan" > >From the link that horkster sent with nifty tire inflator: > "Note: due to firearms restrictions in California, residents there will > have to run this on 10 volts instead of 12." > > What is up with that?? What the hell does 2V difference in operating > voltage on a tire inflator have to do with firearms??? You know, I thought the same thing. Actually, I thought.."it's a joke". Isn't it? Can someone explain this? What does 2V mean? Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 01:17:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e655HG821366 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-131-122.s122.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.122] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139hYg-0004fK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:17:15 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 07/04/00 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:09:32 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfe63f$3479f840$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <200007042300.e64N02S15213@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:47 -0400 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Mike T > Subject: Maryland after sportbikes? > > Anyone see the FOX special about MD going after sportbikes? I taped the > episode, and will pop it on my ftp site here in the next few minutes: > > ftp://ftp.troutman.org/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman Well, I was NOT going to say this but...... Just so we are clear about this...Riding without a helmet = ok...? Speeding and passing on a double yellow (regardless of the inept judgment of highway engineers) = bad. BAD motorcyclist...BAD..BAD..BAD! You're a newbie...Bad. You ride a sport bike?...bad Well, you ride in a way that threatens the sensibility of the normal(y) insane (cage, mommy van, slow pick, geezer?)..Bad And goddamnit we're doing something about it. That's right folks, we are going to spend our last shilling to keep these threats off our roads...ahem... Fuck Maryland. Their roads suck anyway. Helloooo Mr. Gawthorpe...OoopS! Dang! I was gonna give you shit about this (helmets vs. sport riding), but you seem to be on my side. This is the BS you/And everyone reading should be fighting. I will. Helicopters? Been there...don't ask;-) Just pointing out the crap. My job. I'm a crap pointer ;-) Just ask anyone! Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 01:20:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e655K5821445 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-15.patriot.net [209.249.180.15]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e655K0A06061; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:20:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3962C3F0.1611E044@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:13:20 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Razz Man CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Leather Cleaning Q References: <20000705045340.12545.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I'll give that a try... Bill Razz Man wrote: > I had a leather jacket that when new, was leaned (by me) onto a freshly > painted wall corner. I could never get it out, and lived with it for many > years. A friend said "I have something that will get that out". I said > "yea,.. right". He brought out a bottle of "Goof-0ff" (sold in any hardware > store) and the paint was gone in seconds.....no damage to the leather. I am > sold on the stuff. > > Razz > '99 ZX9R > '89 LTD454 > '86 LTD454 > > > > >Yeah, and proper leather jacket break in includes at least 100 miles of > >dragging > >it on a rope tied to your bike. > > > >Might have to try that to get teh damn paint off mine, courtesy of the new > >paint > >in the school where we had the rah-rah pep rally. > > > >Bill > > > >MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 7/2/00 13:01:16 Eastern Daylight Time, berman@XXXXXX > > > writes: > > > > > > > Can anyone suggest a good place to get leather riding gear cleaned & > > > > conditioned in the MD suburbs? > > > > > > > > I just returned from spending 4 sweltering days in my Hein Gericke > >and it > > > > REALLY needs a cleaning! > > > > > > Morris, REAL bikers just ride in the rain with the zippers open ;-) > > > (it counts as a shower, too) > > > > > > Michael J. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 01:29:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e655TF821533 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18676 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14213 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-177.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.177]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA03420 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: see ya.. and re: Saturday's Ride Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:29:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000001bfe604$bf6750a0$e06bd3c6@tra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Let me get this straight. 1. A few riders go down on a group ride Saturday. 2. Brian says his piece on the trend of the group rides getting too dangerous. 3. The group responds, with some taking offense and other agreeing (so far so good). 4. Brian takes offense to the groups comments on the topic he started. 5. Brian gets mad, and takes his ball and goes home. Sounds like someone needs a nap. Brian, if you are reading this, stick around. Like you told the others, just use the delete key. I have been in the minority before in these discussions, and I eventually just take a step back, and a deep breath, and let it go. A few days and the topic will change to something else (helmets, gun control, whatever). Hey, at least it was about cycles! Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian McCoy [mailto:v4mofo@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 6:11 PM > To: dc > Subject: see ya.. > > > And in responce to my opinion about the downward trend of DC Cycles, the > bands of roaving flamers leap out to prove my point. > > It's not worth my time anymore to put up with the BS from those who don't > understand that opinions are as worthy as the time it'd take to hit the > delete key. So I'm off... If anyone WANTS to hear my opinions, they can > track me down through e-mail, ICQ or AIM. I'll probably be lurking around > Anitas DC are riders page aswell.. > > Ride safe for those of you who ride, and flame on those of you who flame. > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 03:48:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e657m2824854 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.142] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A82B679E007E; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:47:55 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE633.9F918D20@2G0UP>; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:46:38 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFE633.9F918D20@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" , "'v4mofo@XXXXXX,'" , > Subject: RE: see ya.. Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 03:46:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BFE633.9F918D20" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BFE633.9F918D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =09 Brian, we've never met but I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past. = Though I do not agree with everything you say, I believe as a group it = is our loss that you will no longer post to the list. With the recent = flame wars, I also understand why you wouldn't want to read some of this = stuff any longer. So fare well; ride like the wind (with immunity :)) and keep the rubber = side down. Like Dennis Miller says: "...but thats just my opinion, I could be = wrong." 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I couldn't agree more. I find that because I spend time in Annapolis, know all of my legislators and a bunch of everyone elses, that I am more informed and in touch with the process and the system than most others. Testifying in General Assembly hearings is a grueling experience the first time and it opens one's eyes regarding what it really takes to effect change. Helmet laws may be the front, but behind the lines there a uncountable skirmishes. That would be both for motorcycle issues and those like taxes, education, transportation, and other social policies. How many people on this list know their state and US representatives? Have you ever made a phone call, paid a visit, or written a letter to them? Better yet, do you vote? Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 05:20:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e659KU826271 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-224-163.s163.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.224.163] helo=twincam) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 139lM4-0004vw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <010f01bfe662$b837a060$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: <000501bfe63f$3479f840$83d47ad1@todd> Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/04/00 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:23:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Helloooo Mr. Gawthorpe...OoopS! Dang! I was gonna give you shit about this > (helmets vs. sport riding), but you seem to be on my side. This is the BS > you/And everyone reading should be fighting. I will. Helicopters? Been > there...don't ask;-) What do you believe would be an appropriate strategy for fighting this issue (Operation Rocket Roundup)? If you are aware of effective tactics to employ, some of the rest of us may be able to help. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 07:08:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65B86827770 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user113.anent.com [208.195.115.113]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18180 for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:07:37 -0400 Message-ID: <005601bfe671$4f500380$7173c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <000001bfe604$bf6750a0$e06bd3c6@tra> Subject: Re: see ya.. Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:08:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 He won't actually leave. He'll just lurk for six months to a year then post when something pops up that tweaks his interest. When the heat gets too hot he just bails out, just like moving to Arizona. Where ya gonna move to next Brian? I think some folks got tired of being preached to from 2000 miles away. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian McCoy" To: "dc" Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: see ya.. > And in responce to my opinion about the downward trend of DC Cycles, the > bands of roaving flamers leap out to prove my point. > > It's not worth my time anymore to put up with the BS from those who don't > understand that opinions are as worthy as the time it'd take to hit the > delete key. So I'm off... If anyone WANTS to hear my opinions, they can > track me down through e-mail, ICQ or AIM. I'll probably be lurking around > Anitas DC are riders page aswell.. > > Ride safe for those of you who ride, and flame on those of you who flame. > > Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 07:15:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65BFl827922 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-224.patriot.net [209.249.180.224]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e65BFgA20959; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:15:43 -0400 Message-ID: <3963174D.43748810@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:09:01 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kathleen Loerich CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <005601bfe5ec$6b4e4f40$a3e0a4d8@cop.dec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB" --------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion - Having traveled Indian Head hiway and a few other MD roads, I have witnessed packs of seriously demented sportbikers in action. Passing on the right/left shoulder and betwixt traffic lanes at warp three etc... Hi-profile activity like that marks all of us as *bad* and attracts the attention of the poo-lice. The higher up brass screams stop those damn fools! So the troops muster and set out to quell the nvasion of the crazed sportbikers. I'm lukewarm about it. I hate to see people get hurt and hate to suffer from the broad brush stroke of bad bikers created by a few dozen whackoids. But letting the buggers run amuck would certainly improve the gene pool. Botomline - yes, the program is okay from a legal standpoint. A cops job is to enforce traffic laws. Road ragers and scofflaws have been targeted in the past. These folks are not *special* because they ride bikes. Bill Kathleen Loerich wrote: > I am a recent subscriber to this list. I've been riding about 29 > years, started riding dirt bikes, next mostly cruisers, and I > occassionally ride a full dress bike. I haven't tried sport bikes > yet, but there's still time... Since this list seems to have a large > number of sport bike riders, I have a question. I read the article in > today's paper about Operation Rocket Roundup. This is a police a > enforcement technique using a combination of motorcycles, helicopters, > and roadblocks. What are your perceptions of this program? Do you > believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair enforcement > policies regarding this program? Do you believe this program is right > or wrong? I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of > riding I have yet to experience. Kathleen Loerich --------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion - Having traveled Indian Head hiway and a few other MD roads, I have witnessed packs of seriously demented sportbikers in action.  Passing on the right/left shoulder and betwixt traffic lanes at warp three etc...  Hi-profile activity like that marks all of us as *bad* and attracts the attention of the poo-lice.   The higher up brass screams stop those damn fools!  So the troops muster and set out to quell the nvasion of the crazed sportbikers.

I'm lukewarm about it.  I hate to see people get hurt and hate to suffer from the broad brush stroke of bad bikers created by a few dozen whackoids.  But letting the buggers run amuck would certainly improve the gene pool.

Botomline - yes, the program is okay from a legal standpoint.  A cops job is to enforce traffic laws.  Road ragers and scofflaws have been targeted in the past.   These folks are not *special* because they ride bikes.

Bill

Kathleen Loerich wrote:

I am a recent subscriber to this list.  I've been riding about 29 years, started riding dirt bikes, next mostly cruisers, and I occassionally ride a full dress bike.  I haven't tried sport bikes yet, but there's still time...  Since this list seems to have a large number of sport bike riders, I have a question. I read the article in today's paper about Operation Rocket Roundup.  This is a police a enforcement technique using a combination of motorcycles, helicopters, and roadblocks. What are your perceptions of this program? Do you believe that the police will use safe, judicious, and fair enforcement policies regarding this program? Do you believe this program is right or wrong? I'm mostly curious, because many of you indulge in a type of riding I have yet to experience. Kathleen Loerich
--------------035169FDCA8648F9900630AB-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 07:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65BLA828001 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (zbig@XXXXXX [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5) with ESMTP id HAA17446; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14965; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:11:58 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: "Charles V. Pena" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Message-ID: <20000705071158.A13974@kleks.org> References: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com>; from Charles V. Pena on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 10:17:23PM -0700 * Charles V. Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000704 22:20]: > I 100% agree with this. I just hope the cops in MD are targeting this > program towards the yahoos/hooligans who ride on the interstates and > other major thoroughfares. Hope they leave us alone on the backroads. > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy doing 120..... And statictics will look much better. Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 08:54:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Csv829318 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.188]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12325; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39635B83.B041BA26@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:00:03 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> <20000705071158.A13974@kleks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez, Zbig... Make my day! %^) I guess the real question is whether in MD they're gonna only patrol/profile the interstates and major thoroughfares where they KNOW these hooligans are riding or are they just gonna nail each and every sportbiker they see? And are they going to be out in force on the backroads I've come to enjoy riding in Montgomery and Frederick counties? I can tell you we didn't see one cop on our small (7 riders) ride on Monday. I hope they stick to the interstates and major thoroughfares because the roads I've found (and continue to find) in Montgomery and Frederick are just too damn convenient for me to get to! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" wrote: > > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy > doing 120..... > And statictics will look much better. > > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:08:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65D81829562 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:07:12 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:06:43 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_11494610.BCDDB553" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_11494610.BCDDB553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Add me to those 9. I just got a reckless in Springfield. I was pissed. = Details later.... >>> Chuck Pena 07/05/00 12:00PM >>> Geez, Zbig... Make my day! %^) I guess the real question is whether in MD they're gonna only patrol/profile the interstates and major thoroughfares where they KNOW these hooligans are riding or are they just gonna nail each and every sportbiker they see? And are they going to be out in force on the backroads I've come to enjoy riding in Montgomery and Frederick counties? I can tell you we didn't see one cop on our small (7 riders) ride on Monday. I hope they stick to the interstates and major thoroughfares because the roads I've found (and continue to find) in Montgomery and Frederick are just too damn convenient for me to get to! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" wrote: >=20 > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy > doing 120..... > And statictics will look much better. >=20 > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... --=_11494610.BCDDB553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML Add me to those 9. I just got a reckless in Springfield. I was = pissed.=20 Details later....

>>> Chuck Pena=20 <cvkgpena@XXXXXX> 07/05/00 12:00PM >>>
Geez,=20 Zbig...  Make my day! %^)

I guess the real question is whether = in MD=20 they're gonna only
patrol/profile the interstates and major thoroughfare= s=20 where they KNOW
these hooligans are riding or are they just gonna nail = each=20 and every
sportbiker they see?  And are they going to be out in = force on=20 the
backroads I've come to enjoy riding in Montgomery and=20 Frederick
counties?  I can tell you we didn't see one cop on our = small=20 (7 riders)
ride on Monday.  I hope they stick to the interstates = and=20 major
thoroughfares because the roads I've found (and continue to = find)=20 in
Montgomery and Frederick are just too damn convenient for me to = get=20 to!

Cheers,
Chuck, aka Skittles

"Zbigniew J. Tyrlik"=20 wrote:
>
> Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and = ticket=20 you than a guy
> doing 120.....
> And statictics will look = much=20 better.
>
> Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA...
--=_11494610.BCDDB553-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:24:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65DO0829795 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babytalk (10.10.10.59 [10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MGYNHKSD; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:27:04 -0400 Message-ID: <0de601bfe684$8ef75a70$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" Cc: "DC Cycles" References: <3962C4E3.A126AE9E@ix.netcom.com> <20000705071158.A13974@kleks.org> Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:25:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 You are so right. I hope that you're not, but I can see the cops becoming overzealous and ticketing every sportbiker doing 5-10 mph over the limit. If I'm in Maryland for the next few months I'll be riding very slowly and signaling all lane changes. han ----- Original Message ----- From: Zbigniew J. Tyrlik To: Charles V. Pena Cc: DC Cycles Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup > * Charles V. Pena (cvkgpena@XXXXXX) [000704 22:20]: > > I 100% agree with this. I just hope the cops in MD are targeting this > > program towards the yahoos/hooligans who ride on the interstates and > > other major thoroughfares. Hope they leave us alone on the backroads. > > > > Dream on. it is much easier to spot, catch and ticket you than a guy > doing 120..... > And statictics will look much better. > > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... > > > _zjt > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:49:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (dirtydog.meretrix.com [209.116.254.23]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Dn2800756 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dirtydog.meretrix.com (localhost.meretrix.com [127.0.0.1]) by dirtydog.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Dn1O18129 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007051349.e65Dn1O18129@dirtydog.meretrix.com> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Reckless in Virginia" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18126.962804941.1@XXXXXX> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:49:01 -0400 From: Harry Mantakos I recently got hit with the ever popular "Reckless Driving" in Virginia, clocked at 83 in a 55 on route 66. Sounds like a lot of us have been through this before, any advice? Did you get a lawyer for your court date? If so, any recommendations? You don't even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? How does being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? -harry From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 09:54:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Dsu800881 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e65Dsqp04287 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup In-Reply-To: <0de601bfe684$8ef75a70$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Han Park wrote: > If I'm in Maryland for the next few months I'll be riding very > slowly and signaling all lane changes. How does this differ from normal riding in VA, land of the reckless driving violation? :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:00:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65E0e801218 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31778 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:00:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000705095500.00ccbe00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:00:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" In-Reply-To: <200007051349.e65Dn1O18129@dirtydog.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:49 AM 7/5/00 , Harry Mantakos wrote: >I recently got hit with the ever popular "Reckless Driving" in >Virginia, clocked at 83 in a 55 on route 66. Sounds like a lot >of us have been through this before, any advice? Did you get a >lawyer for your court date? If so, any recommendations? You don't >even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, >etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? How does >being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? Bike or cage? Might have a tougher time if you were on the bike with all the Maryland media noise. I had the same charge in my cage a few years ago. My record was clean (0 points - all tickets having recently fallen off of my record) and the judge said if I had any negative points he would have taken my license for a year. As it is I had a $200 fine and 2 points. If you were a VA resident they could take the license for a year. Not sure if that could carry over as well. Get a lawyer. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:32:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65EWA802280 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:31:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:31:03 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: , Subject: VA TICKETS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or = what? --=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML Does=20 anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or=20 what? --=_ADF5FAD9.4D2C44A5-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:44:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Eie802828 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (ip-216-73-146-57.vantas.net [216.73.146.57]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03180; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "'Troutman'" , Subject: RE: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bfe68f$cfb942c0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000705095500.00ccbe00@mail.wheatintl.com> Not true - it all depends on the Judge, your lawyer and the prosecuting attorney. I recently got a reckless driving in Virginia. I procrastinated for too long to get an attorney, and decided I didn't need to get a continuance - I'd handle it myself. The result - 30 day license suspension and 6 points (6 is standard for reckless). I had +2 on my license, which means my license was clean with 2 "brownie points." The judge said he wanted to "send me a message" about the fact that I was driving too quickly and that "a deer could have crossed the road and then what would have happened?" I was doing 90 on rt. 66 westbound just before Manassas at about midnight. That's a 55 zone, turning to a 65 a couple of miles further down the road. This verdict was roughly similar to what a lot of people were getting from the judge for similar offenses that day. I recommend you A) get an attorney, B) talk to the prosecuting attorney prior to having your case come up (there's an opportunity to do this at court) and C) don't even try to give the judge any lip like "So you're punishing me for riding a bike instead of a car?" or "Whether I hit a deer or not is up to me, bucko!". I didn't try C), but I sure felt like it. I didn't do B) or A) either, and I think that was a mistake. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 p.s. I finally got off of the suspended license on Sunday. Woohoo! -----Original Message----- From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:00 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" At 09:49 AM 7/5/00 , Harry Mantakos wrote: >I recently got hit with the ever popular "Reckless Driving" in >Virginia, clocked at 83 in a 55 on route 66. Sounds like a lot >of us have been through this before, any advice? Did you get a >lawyer for your court date? If so, any recommendations? You don't >even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, >etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? How does >being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? Bike or cage? Might have a tougher time if you were on the bike with all the Maryland media noise. I had the same charge in my cage a few years ago. My record was clean (0 points - all tickets having recently fallen off of my record) and the judge said if I had any negative points he would have taken my license for a year. As it is I had a $200 fine and 2 points. If you were a VA resident they could take the license for a year. Not sure if that could carry over as well. Get a lawyer. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:45:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65EjU802928 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (ip-216-73-146-57.vantas.net [216.73.146.57]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03189; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "'Robert Beatty'" , , Subject: RE: VA TICKETS Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bfe690$0b465120$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, they do. Maryland and Virginia have "reciprocity", i.e. they share ticket information (and points). You get a 3-point fine in Md, count on it showing up on your Va driver's license (and vice versa). I don't think WV has reciprocity with either of these states, but I could be wrong. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Beatty [mailto:Rbeatty@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:31 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; kirk@XXXXXX Subject: VA TICKETS Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or what? ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, they do. = Maryland and=20 Virginia have "reciprocity", i.e. they share ticket information (and = points).=20 You get a 3-point fine in Md, count on it showing up on your Va driver's = license=20 (and vice versa). I don't think WV has reciprocity with either of these = states,=20 but I could be wrong.
 
Chris=20 Weaver
'98 VTR=20 1000
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Beatty=20 [mailto:Rbeatty@XXXXXX]
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 = 10:31=20 AM
To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; = kirk@XXXXXX
Subject: VA=20 TICKETS

Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on = MD=20 driver license as points or what?
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01BFE66E.8434B120-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:46:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3101.mail.yahoo.com (web3101.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.186]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65EkZ802991 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705144621.11713.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3101.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 07:46:21 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: VA TICKETS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii how about Ohio Tickets? I got one for 76 in a 65. there where plenty of other people on the road with me he just decided to pick on me. i'd watch out going through Ohio I counted 9 cops in 200 miles yesterday and well over 15 on friday night when I got caught. in all the other 9 states I went throgh over the weekend I might have seen 10 cops total. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:50:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65EoB803120 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31927 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:49:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000705104936.00cd7400@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:49:57 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: VA TICKETS In-Reply-To: <20000705144621.11713.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you saw so many cops, why were you speeding? :-o At 10:46 AM 7/5/00 , bryan main wrote: >how about Ohio Tickets? I got one for 76 in a 65. there where plenty of >other people on the road with me he just decided to pick on me. i'd watch >out going through Ohio I counted 9 cops in 200 miles yesterday and well >over 15 on friday night when I got caught. in all the other 9 states I >went throgh over the weekend I might have seen 10 cops total. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Eos803130 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e65Eoop06168 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: VA TICKETS In-Reply-To: <001d01bfe690$0b465120$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Chris Weaver wrote: > You get a 3-point fine in Md, count on it showing up on your Va > driver's license (and vice versa). If you're a VA resident and get a 3 point fine in MD don't be surprised if VA turns it into a reckless for you. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 10:58:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3106.mail.yahoo.com (web3106.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.191]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65Ewe803224 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705152634.11210.qmail@web3106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3106.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:26:34 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: VA TICKETS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Troutman wrote: > If you saw so many cops, why were you speeding? :-o cause that was the first one I saw. I slwoed down after that. at least their tickets aren't too expensive. I think it's like 70 for 11-15 miles over. only 75 for 16-20 or something like that. I havne't had a ticket in MD for 9 years and I know it was more than that! bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:05:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65F5m803397 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 139qk7-0006QH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:05:39 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.28] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 139qk7-0003MH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:05:39 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01bfe692$b31d0360$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: References: <001c01bfe68f$cfb942c0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:07:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July 12th for a Reckless ticket I received while commuting to work on the Dulles Toll Road. I was written up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I have decided against retaining his services. After talking to a friend who works in the court house and has gone to court for tickets he says that there is nothing I cant do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing my money away. Doing some research on the net tends to confirm this theory. After talking to many people it seems that the single most relevant factor in the outcome of my case will be who is going to be the judge. I'll post the outcome. dave cross From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:33:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65FXj803842 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id v.a9.7d6f930 (664); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:33:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:33:33 EDT Subject: Re: VA TICKETS To: Rbeatty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/5/00 10:34:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rbeatty@XXXXXX writes: << Does anyone know if VA tickets show up on MD driver license as points or what? >> Yes they do. Wonders of electronic connectivity. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:41:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Ff3803934 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bruce (user165.anent.com [208.195.115.165]) by netgate.anent.com (Build 98 8.9.3/NT-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00706 for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:40:34 -0400 Message-ID: <008a01bfe697$71ed71e0$a573c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "DC Cycles" References: <001c01bfe68f$cfb942c0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> <003b01bfe692$b31d0360$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:40:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I had a 75/55 Reckless in Fairfax, hired a lawyer and he got it reduced to Improper Driving/3 points/$75 fine, plus court costs. Everyone I talked to said that would NEVER have happened if I'd gone in by myself. Worth every penny IMO. Don't forget that reckless in Virginia is 6 points and stays on your record for 11 (ELEVEN!) years. Fight it, hard! Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Cross" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:07 AM Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" > I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July 12th for a Reckless ticket > I received while commuting to work on the Dulles Toll Road. I was written > up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. > > I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I have decided against > retaining his services. After talking to a friend who works in the court > house and has gone to court for tickets he says that there is nothing I cant > do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing my money away. Doing some > research on the net tends to confirm this theory. > > After talking to many people it seems that the single most relevant factor > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to be the judge. > > I'll post the outcome. > > dave cross From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 11:48:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65FmW804099 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.c.76f6833 (664) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 11:48:20 EDT Subject: "Reckless in Virginia" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Based on the trend in the last few emails on this issue, it strikes me that some of you might be interested in a site called, "The National Motorists Association." It includes motorcyclists as well as motorists and is organized to fight some of the issues confronting the riders writing to this list. http://www.motorists.org When you click on the site, take a look at the lower left of the screen and see the point, How to Fight a Traffic Ticket. This place may be a resource for some of you. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 12:00:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65G00804274 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705155932.9534.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:59:32 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:59:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i agree....... hoping by chance to get a sympathetic judge... odds are against you. Most judges are on a power trip in Virginia... waiting to make examples out of you. I would retain an attorney .... but only one that is familiar with the judges to which court you will be at. --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I had a 75/55 Reckless in Fairfax, hired a lawyer > and he got it reduced to > Improper Driving/3 points/$75 fine, plus court > costs. Everyone I talked to said > that would NEVER have happened if I'd gone in by > myself. Worth every penny IMO. > > Don't forget that reckless in Virginia is 6 points > and stays on your record for > 11 (ELEVEN!) years. Fight it, hard! > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Cross" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" > > > > I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July > 12th for a Reckless ticket > > I received while commuting to work on the Dulles > Toll Road. I was written > > up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. > > > > I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I > have decided against > > retaining his services. After talking to a friend > who works in the court > > house and has gone to court for tickets he says > that there is nothing I cant > > do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing > my money away. Doing some > > research on the net tends to confirm this theory. > > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > single most relevant factor > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to > be the judge. > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > dave cross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 12:28:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65GSr805002 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.99.71b48ef (4333) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <99.71b48ef.2694bc34@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:28:36 EDT Subject: Yuck... To: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Wow... how's THAT for some fireworks? People crashing, flame wars, Brian dropping off the list... must be the forth of July. Welp, I've been tyring to keep quiet and just read for once... fat chance I guess. Saw people flaming Brian, saying that he has no business preaching safety because he himself is no better. Fine... then I'll say it. There is NO good reason to crash on the street. Period. (This is not counting getting hit, etc by other vehicles.). There ARE too many accidents occuring. Guess what? Streets suck. There's sand, gravel, deer, cars, bicylists, gophers, and 100 other things that can pop up around that next turn. I'f you're riding at 10/10ths or even 9/10ths, your prospects are grim. If you're riding at 7/10ths, or maybe even 6/10ths, you may just be able to keep on riding. If you come around a turn, and something in the road makes you crash, you're going too fast and/or riding over your head if you can't take evasive maneuvers and continue on. If this were not the case, the roadside would simply be littered with cars and bikes - look at any given road, there's never a perfect surface. The message here is... ** THINK, Slow down, enjoy the road, enjoy the sport, don't crash!!!! ** If you want to go balls out, GET THEE TO A TRACK. Buy an ex500 or FZR400 for damn near less $$$ than the cost of replacing the fairings and mirrors on your streetbike from Yamaha/Honda/etc. For the record: A) I have perfectly maintained bikes. B) I have never crashed on the street in 12 years. C) When I starting riding (what I thought was ) a bit too fast for the street, I got my racing licence, and went racing. I became a much better rider because of it. D) When I ride on the street now (which is now rare other than commuting because I go racing) I ride at 7/10ths so as to be able to NOT crash. This is not preaching to the crashers. Shit happens, and sometimes we make mistakes. This is bitching at anyone who says "You gotta crash to learn" or some such bullshit. If you do learn from your mistakes, well... that's fine, but that's a damn expensive way to do it IMHO. A racing or high-performace riding school is probably cheaper. "Pushing your limits" on the street is a BAD idea. And before someone starts nitpicking about "how do you learn if you never try", I'm talking about doing balls to the walls on backroads WAY beyond your skill level. "pushing the limits" in tiny amounts after becoming comfortable at some other level is not what makes people crash. And to also pre-respond to "Roach, you're no saint - you ride fast on the street", You're right... I sometimes do, and THAT is at 7/10ths. I have thousands of miles of 10/10ths under my belt from the track now (and a few 11/10ths that I still wince about), and know my limits quite well. I'm done. Flame away. Delete key is armed :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 12:53:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Gr5805536 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:52:57 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D29@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Tire Fitament Question Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:45:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Team DC Flamers: I have a 1991 VFR...the BT56SS do not come in a 170. Is it possible/advisable to put a 180 on the bike? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 13:23:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web512.mail.yahoo.com (web512.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.227]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65HNF806058 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705172307.252.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web512.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:23:07 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Yuck... To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Wow... how's THAT for some fireworks? > > People crashing, flame wars, Brian dropping off the > list... must be the forth > of July. > > Welp, I've been tyring to keep quiet and just read > for once... fat chance I > guess. > > Saw people flaming Brian, saying that he has no > business preaching safety > because he himself is no better. > > Fine... then I'll say it. > I'm done. Flame away. Delete key is armed :) What's the point? You're right....and my bet is that people may actually listen to you _because_ of your presentation, not in spite of it. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 13:54:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Hsg806566 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:51:56 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Tire Fitament Question Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:00:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Did the '91 VFR originally come w/a 170 or was it a 160? Just looked at bridgestones web site and their 180 is approved for 5.0 - 5.5" rims (recommended 5.5). So, check your bike specs, you might be at 5. Also, look at your 170 and make sure there will be enough clearance for the chain/swingarm. I would probably go w/a different brand to get the right size, but the 180 would probably work just fine. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:02:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65I2K806723 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.c6.77918f3 (4333) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:02:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:02:08 EDT Subject: And now for something completely different [dc-cycles racing LONG] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Lovely Nelson Ledges, OH was this week's stop on the WERA schedule, and what a track it is. If you've never heard of Nelson Ledges, OH... you're not missing anything. The track hasn't been fully repaved in about 20 years and there's no city sewage or plumbing. They do seem to usually mow the turns before we get there, as the grass growing up through the track is generally fairly short :/ But I digress. DC-Cycles racing was represented this weekend by.... me. Randy Moran was home focusing on more important matters (his new child!), and Danny and Fred had no plans to attend (A show of sanity on their part). Brad and Leonard were slated to appear, but unfortunatly did not make it to the track. I'm hearing second-hand that there was an accident involving their race hauler Friday - Brad?? I was told everyone was OK, but unfortunatly the bikes didn't fare as well. It should also be noted that Jeff Ozman is no longer in the area as he was transferred to Texas in June. Hopefuly Jeff will have some time to carry the DC-Cycles name into some South-central events. His last Summit Point appearance was the WERA event in June, and he will be sorely missed in the pits and on the track. If you're still reading Jeff - we miss ya!! And no... there was STILL no corner-working in T2-T3 this weekend at Nelson. Friday found myself and TightSqueezeRacing's Steve Clark teaming up for the weekend. The trip was uneventfull, and for the first time in recorded history I arrived on time at a track, and it wasn't even dark yet. Saturday: Looks to be a great day, good weather, only supposed to be in the mid-80's. Put new tires on and go out for practice. Steve and I followed each other for a bit, getting our times to the low 1:20's and a couple 1:19's. Last year, my best ever at Nelson was a mid 1:22, so I was very pleased. I generally go slower in practice, so the outlook was good. The track is as bumpy and scary as ever, but it does seem to get better the faster you go. There IS a "smoothish" line around which you only have to stand on the pegs once or twice and generally don't scare yourself terribly. By the end of practice, I think I found most of it. Grid for the Solo20. In a bizarre change for WERA, they only have a one-wave start for the combined expert and Novice field - Usually there are two flags thrown, once for each group with a 5 second or so pause between. I was gridded on the second row, and got a good start and hit turn 1 in second place... in the novice field. This of course was smack dab in the middle of the experts. Alan Nelson on his SV had gotten a better jump than me, and as I tried to follow him into turn one it was like watching the Red Sea close as 3 or 4 experts wound up between myself and he. "Damn... this is not good". Alan give me fits at Summit... he is no slowpoke. I manage to get by the experts and onto his tail going into T5 (the carosel), and proceed to follow him for the next 5 - 6 laps or so. I figured we'd check out and then see what happened at the end. What I didn't realize was that he'd never been to Nelson, and wasn't ready for the physical pounding the track doles out. By the time I figured out we'd been slowing down for a couple laps, here comes a wheel next to my bike... followed by an engine and another wheel.... and then another whole motorcycle! AAARRRGGG. Ok... 4th place, 10 laps to go, no sweat. The next 5 - 6 laps were pretty fun. Four guys, all trying to occupy one little piece of broken tarmac at the head of the line. Much dicing was involved, with one of the best photo ops of the weekend in T13 as all 4 bikes came onto the frontstretch within 5 feet of each other. This is where the Mighty FZR400RR got to stretch it's legs. I hammered it out of 13 and went from 4th to 2nd on the brakes into T1. WIth one lap to go, I passed the leader going into T4 and never looked back... Win #1 for the weekend! Lap times were down to the mid 1:16's, which is pretty moving. There were only 2 experts in front of me at the end. Sunday: The next two races were just not as eventfull as the first. In D-Superbike, I got second going into T1 at the start, passed the leader with about 2 laps to go, and drove it home. Times stayed in the 1:16's. Unfortunatly, about half way through the race, Turn 12 went left and Steve Clark didn't. He was ok, but the bike got beat up a bit. Formula 2 saw the difference between a 30 year old racer and an 18 year old one. After leading a couple laps, I got passed by a kid on an SV who evidentally was not happy about getting beaten twice at his home track this weekend. To say he was on a mission would be an understatement. 2nd place was mighty comfy as I watched him haul ass for 6 laps at a pace that this guy just wasn't comfortable doing. I could run behind him, but not gain, and that was juuuuussssstttt fine. I figured someone else should at least win one this weekend :) Two wins, one second, and fast times made for a GREAT weekend in Ohio. My Thanks to SpeedWerks of Camden, DE (www.speed-werks.com) for building the best 400 on the planet and all their support this year, as well as Bridgestone Tires for the contgency and now Team Bridgestone sponsorship support!! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:18:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65IIa806990 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hfzzv (client-151-196-117-77.bellatlantic.net [151.196.117.77]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13774; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:16:31 -0400 (EDT) From: sesent@XXXXXX Message-ID: <013601bfe6ad$351bac80$72c7fea9@hfzzv> Reply-To: To: "Weather Reporter" , , , , "signsnow180" , "Scott Jameson" , "Scharfenberger, Leianne" , "Paul Kirkegaard" , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "Kirk Roy" , "Ken Ebo" , "katana" , "jweiman" , "jw" , "Gina Bevard" , "fred" , "Franz Sr." <4102156009@XXXXXX>, "Franz Muller Sr." , "Eric M." , "Edward N. 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Kirkegaard, Jr." Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:16:19 -0400 Organization: SES Enterprises MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works ----- Original Message -----=20 From: evan belaga=20 To: Undisclosed Recipients=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 10:15 AM Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20 -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ann Wates To: Zoe Sollenberger ; Vikki (home) Kingslien = ; Trevor Miller ; Tommy Reap = ; Tom Sites ; Susan Brehm = ; Sherrel Hickok ; Robin = Passino ; Phyllis Johnson = ; Pete Wilson ; Patti & = Richard Miller ; Naomi Tyler ; = Monica Chapman ; Missy Sullivan ; = Michelle Luttrell ; Mary Chrisman = ; Martha Ann Romoser ; Lynn = Golemon ; Lynn Gilbert ; = Marlys Shoup ; Louise Bower = ; Lori Hayward = ; Lani Newcomb ; Kerry = Monroe ; Kerry Loonam ; = Kell Achenbach ; Kathy Jonkers = ; Kathy Eichelberger ; Karen = Deskins ; Julie Mathews ; Julie = Bullock ; Judy Smith ; Joyce = Anderson ; John Schaub ; = Joanne Sowa ; Joan Borger ; = Jeff Crandell ; Jeannie Waldron = ; Jean Lichtenberger ; Jack = Weber ; Irvin Barb ; = Horstmeier, Barbara ; Helen and John = Stacy ; Hans D. ; Ginny = Stengel ; Gina K Pierce ; = Genie Stewart-Spears ; Gary Goodale = ; Frank Farmer ; Fran Pitlick = ; evan belaga ; Emily = Richardson ; Dorothy Lowe = ; Denise Bramhall ; Davis = Chung ; Dana Critz Lock ; Chrisie = Bayuk ; Charles Cunningham = ; Carolyn Armstrong ; = Carol Gibson ; Bob Walsh ; = Bill Chrisman ; Betsy ; = Arthur King ; Amy Worrell ; = Allyson Shaner ; Adrienne Hewitt = Date: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20 Subject: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20 What the heck I could use some money it this really works?!=20 In a message dated 5/3/00 3:05:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, GMA = DRLN=20 writes:=20 To all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages but this is = from my=20 good friend Pearlas Sanborn and she really is an attorney.....If she = says=20 that this will work - it WILL work. After all, what have you=20 got to loose?=20 SORRY EVERYBODY.....JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!!=20 I'm an attorney, and I know the law. This thing is for real.=20 Rest assured AOL and Intel will follow through with their promises for = fear=20 of facing a multimillion dollar class action suit similar to the one = filed=20 by Pepsico against General Electric not too long ago.=20 We're not going to help them out with their e-mail beta test without=20 getting a little something for our time. My brother's girlfriend got = in on=20 this a few months ago. When I went to visit him for the Baylor! /UT=20 game. She showed me her check. It was for the sum of $4,324.44 and = was=20 stamped "Paid In Full". Like I said before, I know the law, and this = is=20 for real. If you don't believe me you can email her at = jpiltman@XXXXXX .=20 She's eager to answer any questions you guys might have.=20 Intel and AOL are now discussing a merger which would make them the = largest=20 Internet company and in an effort make sure that AOL remains the most=20 widely used program, Intel and AOL are running an e-mail beta test.=20 When you forward this e-mail to friends, Intel can and will track it = (if=20 you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week time period. For = every=20 person that you forward this e-mail to, Microsoft will pay you=20 $203.15. For every person that you sent it to that forwards it on,=20 Microsoft will pay you $156.29 and for every third person that = receives it,=20 you will be paid $17.65. Within two weeks, Intel will contact you for = your=20 address and then send you a check. I thought this was a scam myself, = but a=20 friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel actually = got a=20 check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try it, what have you = got to=20 lose????=20 = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ = ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FW: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it = works
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: evan = belaga
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works=20

 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Mary Ann Wates <mawates@XXXXXX>
To:= Zoe=20 Sollenberger <zoeand4dogs@XXXXXX>; Vikki = (home)=20 Kingslien <kingslien@XXXXXX>; = Trevor=20 Miller <Roguelet@XXXXXX>; = Tommy=20 Reap <TRGamboa@XXXXXX>; = Tom Sites=20 <goearth@XXXXXX>; = Susan=20 Brehm <rockingb@XXXXXX&g= t;;=20 Sherrel Hickok <hickoks@XXXXXX>;=20 Robin Passino <Robin.Passino@XXXXXX= on.va.us>;=20 Phyllis Johnson <phyllisj01@XXXXXX>= ; Pete=20 Wilson <wwilson@XXXXXX>; = Patti &=20 Richard Miller <survivor.pat@XXXXXX>; = Naomi Tyler=20 <mustlady@XXXXXX>; Monica = Chapman=20 <asea@XXXXXX>; Missy = Sullivan=20 <sentinel@XXXXXX>; = Michelle=20 Luttrell <Luttrell@XXXXXX>; = Mary=20 Chrisman <myc@XXXXXX>; = Martha Ann=20 Romoser <wkromo@XXXXXX>; = Lynn Golemon=20 <lynng@XXXXXX&g= t;; Lynn=20 Gilbert <gmchagall@XXXXXX>;=20 Marlys Shoup <mshoup@XXXXXX>; Louise = Bower=20 <horsecrazy@XXXXXX= .net>;=20 Lori Hayward <lhayward@XXXXXX&g= t;; Lani=20 Newcomb <Give2Bute@XXXXXX>; Kerry=20 Monroe <gmcgoff@XXXXXX>; = Kerry=20 Loonam <jogrand@XXXXXX>; = Kell=20 Achenbach <kell.achenbach@XXXXXX= om>;=20 Kathy Jonkers <kjonkers@XXXXXX>;=20 Kathy Eichelberger <bergerbnch@XXXXXX>; Karen = Deskins=20 <karend@XXXXXX>; Julie = Mathews=20 <JSheph6685@XXXXXX>; = Julie=20 Bullock <middleriver@XXXXXX>;=20 Judy Smith <petid@XXXXXX>; Joyce=20 Anderson <Joyceridescloud9@XXXXXX>; = John=20 Schaub <JPSchaub@XXXXXX>; = Joanne=20 Sowa <jsowa@XXXXXX>; Joan=20 Borger <jborger@XXXXXX>;=20 Jeff Crandell <hmfjcrandell@XXXXXX>; = Jeannie Waldron=20 <jwaldron@XXXXXX>; = Jean=20 Lichtenberger <runsallday@XXXXXX>; Jack = Weber <jackmobile@XXXXXX>; Irvin = Barb <IBARB@XXXXXX>; = Horstmeier,=20 Barbara <BHorstmeier@XXXXXX= oods.com>;=20 Helen and John Stacy <renegade@XXXXXX>; Hans D. = <hansdev@XXXXXX>= ; Ginny=20 Stengel <gstengel@XXXXXX>= ; Gina K=20 Pierce <aprapo@XXXXXX>; = Genie=20 Stewart-Spears <geniess@XXXXXX>; Gary = Goodale=20 <Camfrm@XXXXXX>; Frank = Farmer <Wyle@XXXXXX>; Fran Pitlick = <FPITLICK@XXXXXX&g= t;; evan=20 belaga <ebelaga@XXXXXX>; Emily=20 Richardson <erichar2@XXXXXX&g= t;;=20 Dorothy Lowe <autmridg@XXXXXX>; = Denise=20 Bramhall <dbram@XXXXXX>; Davis=20 Chung <dchung90@XXXXXX>; Dana=20 Critz Lock <Dcritz@XXXXXX>; = Chrisie=20 Bayuk <badrock@XXXXXX>; = Charles=20 Cunningham <charles.a.cunningham@XXXXXX= ov>;=20 Carolyn Armstrong <carolyna@XXXXXX>; Carol Gibson = <barn@XXXXXX>; Bob = Walsh <hideawayfarm@XXXXXX>; Bill = Chrisman=20 <clinique@XXXXXX>;=20 Betsy <mpk@XXXXXX>; = Arthur King=20 <arthur.king@XXXXXX>= ;=20 Amy Worrell <MareVMD@XXXXXX>;=20 Allyson Shaner <muzikfrek@XXXXXX>; = Adrienne=20 Hewitt <adhewitt@XXXXXX>
Date:=20 Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:41 PM
Subject: Fw: $$$$$$ PLEASE = READ! -=20 We'll see if it works

 

Subject: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it = works=20


What the heck I could use some money it = this really=20 works?!

In a message dated 5/3/00 = 3:05:17 PM US=20 Mountain Standard Time, GMA DRLN
writes:

To=20 all of my friends, I do not usually forward messages but this is from = my=20
good friend Pearlas Sanborn and she really is an attorney.....If = she says=20
that this will work - it WILL work. After all, what have = you=20
got to loose?

SORRY=20 EVERYBODY.....JUST HAD TO TAKE THE CHANCE!!!
I'm an=20 attorney, and I know the law. This thing is for real.
Rest assured AOL and Intel will follow through with their = promises for=20 fear
of facing a multimillion dollar class action suit similar to = the one=20 filed
by Pepsico against General Electric not too long ago. =

We're not going to help them out with their = e-mail beta=20 test without
getting a little something for our time. My brother's = girlfriend got in on
this a few months ago. When I went to visit = him for=20 the Baylor! /UT
game.  She showed me her check. It was for = the sum of=20 $4,324.44 and was
stamped "Paid In Full".  Like I said = before, I know=20 the law, and this is
for real. If you don't believe me you can = email her=20 at jpiltman@XXXXXX <mailto:jpiltman@XXXXXX> . =
She's eager=20 to answer any questions you guys might have.

Intel=20 and AOL are now discussing a merger which would make them the largest=20
Internet company and in an effort make sure that AOL remains the = most=20
widely used program, Intel and AOL are running an e-mail beta = test.=20

When you forward this e-mail to friends, Intel = can and=20 will track it (if
you are a Microsoft Windows user) for a two week = time=20 period. For every
person that you forward this e-mail to, = Microsoft will=20 pay you
$203.15.  For every person that you sent it to that = forwards=20 it on,
Microsoft will pay you $156.29 and for every third person = that=20 receives it,
you will be paid $17.65. Within two weeks, Intel will = contact=20 you for your
address and then send you a check. I thought this was = a scam=20 myself, but a
friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works = at Intel=20 actually got a
check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try = it, what=20 have you got to
lose????
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------=_NextPart_000_012F_01BFE68B.96FD79A0-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:55:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65It1807686 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNPCG>; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: sesent@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:37:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think a friend of your good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel, should send each member of the DC-Cycles list a check for $4,543.23 just for your having sent this to the list! -----Original Message----- From: sesent@XXXXXX [mailto:sesent@XXXXXX] [snip] I thought this was a scam myself, but a friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel actually got a check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try it, what have you got to lose???? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" FW: $$$$$$ PLEASE READ! - We'll see if it works
I think a friend of your good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel, should send each member of the DC-Cycles list a check for $4,543.23 just for your having sent this to the list!  
-----Original Message-----
From: sesent@XXXXXX [mailto:sesent@XXXXXX] 
 
[snip]
 
 I thought this was a scam myself, but a
friend of my good friend's Aunt Patricia, who works at Intel actually got a
check for $4,543.23 by forwarding this e-mail. Try it, what have you got to
lose????
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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFE6B0.1E49266A-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 14:59:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Ix8807781 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:57:01 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Answer is NO $ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:05:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 http://www.urbanlegends.com/ulz/intelaol.html You never get $$$$ for nothing via e-mail. You especially shouldn't send ridiculously STUPID things like this to lists, or friends for that matter. Otherwise you'll get flamed. It took all my effort not to call you a dumbass ... oops From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 15:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65J6Z807938 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-34.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.226]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA31043; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3963B2A0.EED02AFB@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:11:44 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: And now for something completely different [dc-cycles racing LONG] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bryan, Did you happen to hook up with a local racer named Sajeeb while in OH? I met him on the Father's Day ride (R1 street bike, GSXR600 race bike). Really nice guy. Definitely a good rider (and a gentleman for allowing me to lead him around on the road!) Said he knew/had met you at a race(s) before. I don't think he's on the list (yet), but I think he'd be a good addition to the DC-Cycles racing crew. Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > Lovely Nelson Ledges, OH was this week's stop on the WERA schedule, and what > a track it is. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 16:39:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65KdW809613 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-34.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.226]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19137; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3963C867.C9FECF2D@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:44:39 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike,rec.motorcycles To: DC Cycles , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Next Bike Night (3) in Falls Church, VA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just another reminder that Bike Night 3 will be on Tuesday, July 18th at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. Hope as many of you as possible can be there. All the details are on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Please invite friends (even if they don't ride m/c's). And feel free to cross-post to other m/c lists/groups. Thanx! Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 16:46:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65Kkh809771 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivemhs.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.90.60]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA31510 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002401bfe6bd$4550e4c0$3c5af7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Free Helmet Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:11:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 A friend of mine gave me a Kiwi 171R helmet which I have no use for. If anyone wants it let me know. The helmet has a few minor scratches but looks to be in decent condition. It is DOT certified and is black and red. Email me back if interested amd we can setup a time when you can pick it up. Ryan =============================================================== Ryan Matteson: UNIX Administrator Home Email: desc@XXXXXX Work Email: rmatteson@XXXXXX Web Site: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc PGP Public Key: http://www.mindspring.com/~desc/public.asc =============================================================== From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 18:23:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web510.mail.yahoo.com (web510.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.225]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e65MNf811555 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000705222332.29693.qmail@web510.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web510.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:23:32 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: pit bull rear stand for trade/sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i have a pit bull rear stand that i would like to either trade for a pit bull single-arm rear stand or sell i believe a straight-up trade is fair (both cost $140 new), but would be willing to throw in an extra $40 to get it done any takers? or buyers of my regular rear stand for $100? i also have an eclipse black tail pack (well used) which i would like to sell for $40 -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 19:21:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65NLm812651 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.212.48.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.212.48]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07760; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Matthew Ehlert" Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:15:57 -0400 Message-ID: <001801bfe6d6$f952b480$30d4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000705034757.23526.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> My only intended point to make was that anyone who is so unhappy with the US is more than welcome to leave, or better yet run for office and make changes yourself. That makes me a socialist? Hmm. Better check your definitions. I consider myself a patriot. I didn't even want to get into the helmet debate, but oh, well now. "i don't think it's wise.... to not fight frivolous laws being passed in America." I can agree with this. However, the problem is that what one person considers frivolous others do not. There will never be one master set of laws that everyone agrees on. I personally consider 55 mph speed limits (for example) in the middle of nowhere to be ridiculous, but I know they're necessary because laws have to encompass the lowest common denominator of people in our society, so people like me have to suffer for it so that other people can benefit from it. Same is the case with helmet laws - if by having a law in place a life is saved that some husband/wife/son/daughter/mother/father/friend/partner depended on, I can live with it. Anyway, how can my views not be subjective, and what's wrong with them being so? That's what opinions are. Likewise if in your opinion its worth protesting over go ahead. Its your right (because you live in the US, BTW) My opinion is not such, and the thought of endangering myself (riding w/o a helmet) to protest seems silly to me. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Ehlert [mailto:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 11:48 PM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th thanks for your subjective views although i find it a socialistic view point... comparing other countries is healthy and we need objectivism. i don't think it's wise.... to not fight frivolous laws being passed in America. Our choices are being taking away...i call that pathetic. and also...one can be multitasked in his/hers efforts(meaning just because you fight the helmet law doesn't mean you can't fight taxation.. ect..). Multitasking is not just for Bill Gates and Windows..... contrary to popular beliefs. --- Big Matty wrote: > I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... > > Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on > today, the 4th of July: get > the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are > so much better. > PLEASE! One less moron would be a nice Independence > Day gift. > > PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you > make below, its > interesting that it takes an entire world of other > countries to even pick a > couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more > freedom." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th > > > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > What countries have more freedom than the US? > Name them if you are so > > smart. > > > > mark > > Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. > > Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try > Holland. > > Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of > Western Europe is far less > restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, > Denmark, for starters. > > Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. > Just don't be a > Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh > (or, earlier, Mormon). > > Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's > County has more cases in a > month than Iceland has in a decade. > > Political freedom? US has the full range of > political discourse from "A" > to "B". You can say what you want because (and as > long as) it doesn't > matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks > on the Civil Rights > movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther > Party. > > And, btw, this email and all others are monitored > ("Project Echelon") by > the US government, according to a PC World Magazine > report. > > (..."According to intelligence experts in the United > States and Europe, a > massive electronic intercept program called Project > Echelon scans all > Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, > and long-distance > telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic > communication--looking > for evidence of terrorist activity, military > threats, and transnational > crime. > > "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive > U.S. National > Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, > Canada, New Zealand, > and the United Kingdom...") > > The article was at: > > > > I hope that this has answered your question. > > --garcia > > > "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee > into a bottle in front > of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job > stacking boxes of > Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 19:31:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e65NVQ812881 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.212.48.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.212.48]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04553 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: RE: VA TICKETS Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:25:32 -0400 Message-ID: <001901bfe6d8$50283540$30d4f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000705144621.11713.qmail@web3101.mail.yahoo.com> Ohio is ALWAYS strict on traffic enforcement, and I think pretty much now days you can expect points to show up on your license pretty much wherever you get a ticket. (Don't speed in a state thinking a ticket won't show up on your record). -----Original Message----- From: bryan main [mailto:ldrbryan@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 10:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: VA TICKETS how about Ohio Tickets? I got one for 76 in a 65. there where plenty of other people on the road with me he just decided to pick on me. i'd watch out going through Ohio I counted 9 cops in 200 miles yesterday and well over 15 on friday night when I got caught. in all the other 9 states I went throgh over the weekend I might have seen 10 cops total. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6619u814521 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.27.7c4000d (4004) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <27.7c4000d.2695365b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:09:47 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/5/00 07:22:12 Eastern Daylight Time, zbig@XXXXXX writes: > Ask 9 guys who go t reckless in VA... We have been accused, Sir - we have not been convicted My basic feeling is that the cop doesn't have a case and he knows it - but he's going to be as much of a pain in our butts as he can - legal fees, court appearances, ad infinitum, ad nauseam Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:17:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e661Ht814770 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.4e.7dbf88d (4004) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4e.7dbf88d.26953837@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:17:43 EDT Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Speaking solely for myself... > Sounds like a lot of us have been through this before, any advice? Get a lawyer - I got a reckless about 10 years ago for doing about 100 yards on the shoulder at about 15 MPH on 495 to get to exit 12 one day - figured this couldn't be deemed reckless, went to court naked - the judge upheld the reckless and fined me $30 (yes, thirty) - the conviction still shows on my record and will for another year - it stays on there for 11 years in Virginny. Reckless is also a misdemeanor and could come with a free stay in the county hotel. > Did you get a lawyer for your court date? Yes we did (as a group) for my second and their first >If so, any recommendations? Ask again after July 20th > You don't even get a ticket, you get a summons, so there's no fine, points, > etc, on it, what sort of penalty did you get hit with? The summons is what passes for a ticket in VA - penalties vary > How does being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? MD, VA & DC have full reciprocity, to the best of my knowledge Oh yes, did I mention to get a lawyer? Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:20:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e661Kl814849 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id VAA00245; Wed, 5 Jul 1972 21:25:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1972 21:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Big Matty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th In-Reply-To: <000b01bfe5e4$84df63c0$71d1f4d1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Big Matty said: >I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... >Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get >the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. >PLEASE! Thank you for your tightly-reasoned rebuttal. Are you claiming that the US is the best at everything and can't learn anything from anyone? Or is it just you? >One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. Good point. Welcome to my bozo filter. >PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, Do you or don't you? If not, why don't you learn to argue your case ("Resolved: The US has more freedom than any other country.") instead of demanding that I get out of "your" USA? Grow up. > its >interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a >couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." Try re-reading the post I replied to: ("What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so smart."). Since I didn't (and don't) know what freedoms Mr. Kitchell considers important, it seemed reasonable to point out that there are many freedoms (and I just touched the surface of this topic) and that no place has a monopoly on them. You have a problem with that? Garcia Oliver "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so > smart. > > mark Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try Holland. Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of Western Europe is far less restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, for starters. Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. Just don't be a Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh (or, earlier, Mormon). Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's County has more cases in a month than Iceland has in a decade. Political freedom? US has the full range of political discourse from "A" to "B". You can say what you want because (and as long as) it doesn't matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks on the Civil Rights movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther Party. And, btw, this email and all others are monitored ("Project Echelon") by the US government, according to a PC World Magazine report. (..."According to intelligence experts in the United States and Europe, a massive electronic intercept program called Project Echelon scans all Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, and long-distance telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic communication--looking for evidence of terrorist activity, military threats, and transnational crime. "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive U.S. National Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, Canada, New Zealand,and the United Kingdom...") The article was at: I hope that this has answered your question. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 21:34:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e661Yg815021 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat (ip30.charleston4.sc.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.243.30]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e661geZ75894 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007060142.e661geZ75894@smtp2.abac.com> X-Sender: dreamer%abac.com@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:38:25 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: rides today... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 19:45:26 EDT Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Rob VanSlyke wrote: >I listen to what everyone has to say. Having ridden with Brian, and many >others, I take what he and others have to say in perspective. And I agree >that the list isn't what it used to be. There aren't group rides as often as >before, and the rides that are planned are geared toward sportbikes. I would >gladly volunteer to lead rides, but my work schedule prevents me from doing >this. Perhaps I can get better days off in the coming shift bid at work and >be able to lead some groups. At a slow pace, thank you. Let me know if you do lead that ride Rob. I'll be there on my new 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi. I miss the earlier rides with you and Anita and some of the other more leisurely riders. I enjoy a good group ride from time to time but have zero desire to try to keep up with the sport bike crowd. On the topic of Brian's email. I agree with most everything he said. I disagreed completely with the way he said it. It's a shame that such good points will be lost on most people because they'll be angry at the delivery. DC Cycles hasn't so much gone downhill as it has narrowed its field of interest almost solely to sport bikes and racing. Not bad topics but certainly not of interest to everyone. Perhaps the tides will change again... who knows. Dawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX, VROC #4411 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre http://users.abac.com/dreamer/soulfyre.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 22:04:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6624s815487 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.dd.67b4b6f (4559) for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:04:43 EDT Subject: Re: Ride Statistics To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 I Think that Brian has some good things to say especially if he has experience (as some of you say)! on the subject. I am sure he just wanted to get the message across to all who would listen and take note for your next ride, who knows you may thank him later! Some other things riders need to think about before and during the ride: When there is heavy rain you can be sure that there will be broken branches and tree debris on the roads that you want to ride, also rain water flows downhill the easiest way it can and will carry lots of sand and gravel onto the road and guess where it will stay! In the scheme of things a clean bike is normally a safe bike, the reasoning being that it gives you the opportunity to look at all the critical parts of your cycle. ie: Fork seals, chain, lights, tyres etc etc. Write up a pre ride check list, tick the items of before you go, five minutes now can save you a lot of time and maybe a couple of limbs later. Some of my input. Richard Mc From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 23:27:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web514.mail.yahoo.com (web514.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.229]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e663Rl816955 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706032739.22165.qmail@web514.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.178] by web514.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:27:39 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:27:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > How does being a MD resident affect this, can they > give you MD points in VA? > > MD, VA & DC have full reciprocity, to the best of my > knowledge None of my Virginia or DC tickets have ever carried points over to my Maryland driving record. They show up on the record, but don't count toward a possible MD suspension/revocation. That has been my experience for the past 14 years of getting tickets :( , and I would be very interested to hear of anyone who has been treated otherwise. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 5 23:49:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e663ng817278 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706034934.26531.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.119] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:49:34 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MJ- I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or checkerboard) paint scheme. -Corbett '99 K1200RS (civilian) --- MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/4/00 15:50:22 Eastern Daylight > Time, berman@XXXXXX > writes: > > > It's unclear to me... > > will we be seeing MD troopers on K1200RS's or > were they just on loan from > > Bob's for the photo op? > > And will they be able to get them into the 150 ~ 180 > MPH range? > > Stay tuned - film at 11 > > Michael J. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 00:01:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6641d817540 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.210.26.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.210.26]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19163; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Garcia Oliver" Cc: Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:55:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfe6fe$165034a0$1ad2f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 For the sake of the list, this is the last I'm going to post on this string: Granted, coming home from a long trip, to what I consider to be the greatest city, in the greatest country on the planet, on the birthday of said country, ready to celebrate and reading your post, more "emotion" came into it than normally would in my arguments. However, I stand pat on my assessment whereas people that consistently complain about our government and how things work in an overall sense, which is how your email came out to me in my quick read, should leave. No things are not perfect here, nor will they ever be perfect for all people, but you cannot find a better place in the world to live your life. You can thank all our vets for ensuring that over the years. Do I claim that the US is the best at everything? No. Best overall? Certainly. Can it improve? Yes. Do I claim that I know everything, and have nothing left to learn? I'm not sure where you got that from my email, but no Garcia I don't (I seem to be in the minority on that lately). Bozo filter? ha ha! Are you like that other guy that cries like a little girl when someone says something that hurts his feelings (or exposes the gaping holes in his logic), and will just not participate in any further discussion (on a discussion board, mind you)? Do I or don't I agree with you? I don't. I'll try to use simpler sentence structure and fewer syllables in the future. Why don't I learn to argue my case? My lack of argument was by choice, not by lack of ability. I'm sure the club list is as sick of this stupid string as I am, so if you would like to further debate with me, hit me on separate email or see me at bike night. We'll see how much you really know. "Do I have a problem with that?" Oooh. Sounds like fightin' words! I'm going to say "YES!" just to see what happens! Anyway, as already stated earlier today, I wish I had just laughed (at, not with) and deleted instead of responding to these emails in the first place. This is a motorcycle list and I'm only on it to meet people to ride with. No, I'm not going to endanger myself by riding without a helmet to protest a law that is necessary to get the stupidest element of our society to take basic precautions. That said, it is the end of my participation (at least for now) on politics. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 1972 9:26 PM To: Big Matty Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th Big Matty said: >I know I'm a little behind, but been out of town... >Garcia, I say this with particular emphasis on today, the 4th of July: get >the hell out of my U.S.A. if all these countries are so much better. >PLEASE! Thank you for your tightly-reasoned rebuttal. Are you claiming that the US is the best at everything and can't learn anything from anyone? Or is it just you? >One less moron would be a nice Independence Day gift. Good point. Welcome to my bozo filter. >PS. Even if I did agree with you on the points you make below, Do you or don't you? If not, why don't you learn to argue your case ("Resolved: The US has more freedom than any other country.") instead of demanding that I get out of "your" USA? Grow up. > its >interesting that it takes an entire world of other countries to even pick a >couple of pathetic excuses of examples of "more freedom." Try re-reading the post I replied to: ("What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so smart."). Since I didn't (and don't) know what freedoms Mr. Kitchell considers important, it seemed reasonable to point out that there are many freedoms (and I just touched the surface of this topic) and that no place has a monopoly on them. You have a problem with that? Garcia Oliver "He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice." -- Mark Twain -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver [mailto:garicao@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, June 30, 1972 1:17 AM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: 'Matthew Ehlert'; Bill Huson; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmet Protest, July 4th On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: > What countries have more freedom than the US? Name them if you are so > smart. > > mark Depends on what freedoms you're interested in. Drug laws? Most of Europe is less restrictive. Try Holland. Consensual/victimless behavior? Again most of Western Europe is far less restrictive than US. Germany, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, for starters. Religion? US is fine if you're a mainstream outfit. Just don't be a Branch Davidian, or follower of Bhagwan Rajneesh (or, earlier, Mormon). Freedom from police brutality? Prince George's County has more cases in a month than Iceland has in a decade. Political freedom? US has the full range of political discourse from "A" to "B". You can say what you want because (and as long as) it doesn't matter. Remember J Edgar Hoover and the FBI attacks on the Civil Rights movement, Viet-Nam War protesters, and Black Panther Party. And, btw, this email and all others are monitored ("Project Echelon") by the US government, according to a PC World Magazine report. (..."According to intelligence experts in the United States and Europe, a massive electronic intercept program called Project Echelon scans all Internet traffic, cell phone conversations, faxes, and long-distance telephone calls--virtually every type of electronic communication--looking for evidence of terrorist activity, military threats, and transnational crime. "The e-spying is being conducted by the secretive U.S. National Security Agency and its counterparts in Australia, Canada, New Zealand,and the United Kingdom...") The article was at: I hope that this has answered your question. --garcia "In chemically-fascist America you now have to pee into a bottle in front of a 'health care' worker in order to get a job stacking boxes of Cheerios." --Barbara Ehrenreich From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 00:31:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e664VB818033 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706043103.29708.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.84.119] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 21:31:03 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gonna have to agree with Bruce here.. The Reducing-the-Reckless-to-Improper-Driving gimmick seems to be most likely/best attainable outcome if you don't have a good leg to stand on should you choose to contest the charge... (Been there, done that.) I don't really want to be the test case to find out if the court is prujudiced toward the "guy playing attorney" when it's MY license, MY points, and MY fine. If I have to go down...I'd rather it be to lesser charges. Pay for the attorney. (But trully best of luck to Dave Cross, hope all goes well.) (I'm not too keen on self-dentistry either.) -Corbett --- Bruce Norton wrote: > I had a 75/55 Reckless in Fairfax, hired a lawyer > and he got it reduced to > Improper Driving/3 points/$75 fine, plus court > costs. Everyone I talked to said > that would NEVER have happened if I'd gone in by > myself. Worth every penny IMO. > > Don't forget that reckless in Virginia is 6 points > and stays on your record for > 11 (ELEVEN!) years. Fight it, hard! > > Bruce > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Cross" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:07 AM > Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" > > > > I'll be appearing in Fairfax County court on July > 12th for a Reckless ticket > > I received while commuting to work on the Dulles > Toll Road. I was written > > up for 80mph in a 55mph zone. > > > > I met with a lawyer to discuss my case, however I > have decided against > > retaining his services. After talking to a friend > who works in the court > > house and has gone to court for tickets he says > that there is nothing I cant > > do that a lawyer can, and that I would be throwing > my money away. Doing some > > research on the net tends to confirm this theory. > > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > single most relevant factor > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to > be the judge. > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > dave cross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 02:02:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66620819553 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b9.4a6e416 (6963) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:01:46 EDT Subject: Of Men and Motorcycles To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Since there are a number of new people to this list and to the sport hanging about as of late, I thought I'd post a link to a really great site: www.activebike.com It's an online motorcycle mag type thing, but has a rather large collection of fictional and non-fictional stories that relate to motorcycling, most are extremely well written and emotional reading. You'll want to check out the "Final Analysis" archives. Recently there has been more emphesis on being a regular motorcycle mag, which is a real shame... I'm hoping they get back to the good stuff - check out the site, you'll see what I mean. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 08:05:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66C5B826034 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706120459.712.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.11.148] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 05:04:59 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good compared to one ride I showed up on not to long ago. The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and still rode a 200 mile day even after being told about it! (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... Glenn --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > LOL Jay, > Precisely why I have NOT said anything on any of the > posts ;-) > > Back in not so younger and dumber days I ran one 204 > down so bad in the > rear that it litterally throwing rubber off it every > time I hit the > gas.. yikes! (but I HAD to get at least 2500 miles > out of the dang > thing) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 08:23:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66CNw826257 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-98.cybercable.com [204.188.47.98]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e66CMwL01790 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39647A5B.CD6DFC35@loudoun.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:23:58 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: rajmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000706034934.26531.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the cops were going to use, they said something like, "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not particularly impressive even if it is true. The most popular "road rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in the report of riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the GSXR. The new one weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say "Get lost, Stone!" This public service announcement has been courtesy of: Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Corbett B wrote: > I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the > 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via > computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike > is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle > division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes > (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I > saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 > K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or > checkerboard) paint scheme. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:01:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3103.mail.yahoo.com (web3103.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.188]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66D1m826914 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000706130142.4546.qmail@web3103.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3103.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 06:01:42 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 06:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: rajmoran@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops > would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the > infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, > to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal > racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... did anyone else see this "report"? I was walking out the door when it started so I watched it. what a load of crap it was. They show some guy on an MC "Speeding". well he was going with traffic and if he was speeding it was only with everone else. they don't even say a word about the person in the SUV that went speeding by him. damn reporters, it's stuff like this that give motorcycles a bad name. They also said that they would be video taping the motorcycles illeagle activities, if they stop me for something like that I'm gonna ask to see the tape and ask why they didn't stop the idiot in the SUV instead of me. I think from what they said they would be mainly on I95 in PG county.\ Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:04:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66D4i826934 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66D4bl14955; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:04:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39648250.E51968A6@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:57:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rajmoran@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000706034934.26531.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> <39647A5B.CD6DFC35@loudoun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's funny! Infiltrate on a Beemer??? Who does the cops intelligience work - Daffy Duck? I have never seen a K Beemer among the screamers. Bill laughing... Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops > would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the > infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, > to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal > racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... > > When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the cops were going to > use, they said something like, "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, > and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not > particularly impressive even if it is true. The most popular "road > rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in the report of > riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the GSXR. The new one > weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. > > Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, > black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the > checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say > "Get lost, Stone!" > > This public service announcement has been courtesy of: > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > Corbett B wrote: > > > I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the > > 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via > > computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike > > is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle > > division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes > > (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I > > saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 > > K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or > > checkerboard) paint scheme. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:17:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66DHK827149 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.81]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24716 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964B243.C104151@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:22:27 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Of Men and Motorcycles References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will second Roach's suggestion. IMHO, this is a great site for "real world" motorcycling. Lots of good info/advice/stories, especially for newbies and wannabe canyon carvers. If nothing else, I think Interactive Motorcycle helps put a lot of things in perspective (even if you don't agree with everything on the site). Skittles, aka Chuck BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > Since there are a number of new people to this list and to the sport hanging > about as of late, I thought I'd post a link to a really great site: > > www.activebike.com > > It's an online motorcycle mag type thing, but has a rather large collection > of fictional and non-fictional stories that relate to motorcycling, most are > extremely well written and emotional reading. You'll want to check out the > "Final Analysis" archives. > > Recently there has been more emphesis on being a regular motorcycle mag, > which is a real shame... I'm hoping they get back to the good stuff - check > out the site, you'll see what I mean. > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:21:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66DLM827228 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-17.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.81]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25259; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964B337.A24B720F@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:26:31 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000706120459.712.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn, If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was riding on borrowed time. I have talked with him and he promised me he won't be out riding his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets the tire(s) replaced and a tune-up. Skittles, aka Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long ago. > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and still > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about it! > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 09:51:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Dp8827674 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id j.6b.6942b95 (3978); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:50:49 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6b.6942b95.2695e8b8@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:50:48 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: rajmoran@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/6/00 8:26:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rajmoran@XXXXXX writes: > "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, > and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not > particularly impressive even if it is true. It's true. It's really a sport-tourer, not a sportbike. Pretty nice though if you've ever seen or ridden one... shaft drive, smooth power, adjustable seat and windscreen, heated hand grips - they even handle pretty well (for a boat). Of course, instead of buying $16k BMW bikes, they could have bought lighter, faster $8k Jap bikes and had 4 rocket-cops... but hey, I only pay the bills - what do I know? > Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, > black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the > checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say > "Get lost, Stone!" You know... for a cheesy action flick, that movie wasn't THAT bad. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 10:01:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66E1d827837 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Thu Jul 06 07:04:50 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3LR3T1BN>; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:00:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 10:10:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66EAC827927 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09265 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706100831.00c9ba40@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:09:57 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: Troutman Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" In-Reply-To: <20000706043103.29708.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:31 AM 7/6/00 , Corbett B wrote: >The Reducing-the-Reckless-to-Improper-Driving gimmick >seems to be most likely/best attainable outcome if you >don't have a good leg to stand on should you choose to >contest the charge... (Been there, done that.) > >I don't really want to be the test case to find out if >the court is prujudiced toward the "guy playing >attorney" when it's MY license, MY points, and MY >fine. If I have to go down...I'd rather it be to >lesser charges. Pay for the attorney. (But trully >best of luck to Dave Cross, hope all goes well.) Should be easy to get the charge reduced with a lawyer there. Reckless is a bullshit charge anyway. Extreme speeding would be a better name for it. It is a beautiful day. Anyone up for a lunchtime Herndon ride? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 10:10:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66EAc827937 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id j.6a.46f1d9e (3978); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6a.46f1d9e.2695ed28@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:44 EDT Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/6/00 10:03:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, Yeah, my Ducati seat is like one of those soft bricks, which isn't nearly as bad... ::duck:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 11:50:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Fov829653 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:43:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Dear DC Cycles Community: I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT an obstacle to road rash! Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 11:53:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66FrL829683 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66FrEl08367; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:53:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3964A9D5.25CD2087@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:46:29 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 before my ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to sit on but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - felt hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she luved it. But I should mention that the Corbin, supposedly built for an FLHS, didn't quite fit with the factory stock grab bar. Corbin sells one that does fit = $169. Screw that, clamped the stock bar in the bench vise and tweaked it - fits fine now. Bill Coleman, Perry wrote: > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:10:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GAY829980 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66GANl10965; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3964ADDB.78F8E3CA@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:03:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > Dear DC Cycles Community: > > I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, > Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just > purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through > the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is > already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite > skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT > an obstacle to road rash! > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I > mean that). > > Mark HEY! I never touched her, I swear! Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:15:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66GFF800261 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:14:32 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:13:50 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465" This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match?=20 Welcome Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go riding one night and = watch the plans land at National...... :) >>> Mark Kitchell 07/06/00 11:43AM >>> Dear DC Cycles Community: I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT an obstacle to road rash! Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). =20 Mark --=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match?=20
 
Welcome Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go = riding one=20 night and watch the plans land at National...... :)

>>&= gt;=20 Mark Kitchell <Mkitchell@XXXXXX> 07/06/00 11:43AM=20 >>>
Dear DC Cycles Community:

I would like to introduce = a=20 dear friend of mine who just joined the list,
Kristina Rogish.  = Kristina=20 has been riding for less than a year and just
purchased a Honda = Nighthawk 750=20 from her brother.  I met Kristina through
the AIDS Ride, where she = was a=20 superstar on my Moto Team.  Kristina is
already becoming an = accomplished=20 rider.  She rides her own pace is quite
skilled.  She does = need to=20 improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT
an obstacle to road=20 rash!

Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike = Night=20 3.  Guys,
she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little = hands=20 off of her (I
mean that). 

Mark
--=_FDA5AD78.9DFC9465-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GHH800274 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cweaver (ip-216-73-146-57.vantas.net [216.73.146.57]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06449; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfe766$0a5e5ce0$05026e0a@vitalspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Okay, we'll wash up before we come out to Bike Night. :^) Chris Weaver '98 VTR -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 11:43 AM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:19:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GJG800296 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09507 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:19:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706121836.00a23100@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:19:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish In-Reply-To: <3964ADDB.78F8E3CA@patriot.net> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:03 PM 7/6/00 , Bill Huson wrote: > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, > > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I > > mean that). > > > > Mark > >HEY! I never touched her, I swear! My hands are grubby, but they are quite large. Wink Wink. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 When the sword of rebellion is drawn, the sheath should be thrown away. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:34:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h006.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66GY4800578 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 7614 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 09:33:55 -0700 Date: 6 Jul 2000 09:33:55 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706163355.7613.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Jul 2000 16:33:55 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Jul 2000 09:33:55 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish On Thu, 06 July 2000, Mark Kitchell wrote: Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. Contact me off the list. And, Hey Mike, why didn't I ever get a great introduction to the list like that? You are my neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or something???? lol. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > Dear DC Cycles Community: > > I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list, > Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just > purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina through > the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina is > already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is quite > skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT > an obstacle to road rash! > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. Guys, > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I > mean that). > > Mark ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:53:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66GrI801001 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06281 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000070612523107:27607 ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:52:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3964B9BB.6948FFD3@mitretek.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:54:19 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/06/2000 12:52:36 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/06/2000 12:52:36 PM, Serialize complete at 07/06/2000 12:52:36 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Oh, my!  Thanks, Mark, for the splendid introduction.  Planes at National, big hands, and the guys are even gonna clean up!  Quite an impact I've made already...  I love you, man!

Looking forward to meeting everyone at bike night in a few weeks.  And don't worry about Mark... he's just jealous and trying to keep me for himself.  ;-)  haha.

-Kristina

Robert Beatty wrote:

 I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match? Welcome Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go riding one night and watch the plans land at National...... :)

>>> Mark Kitchell <Mkitchell@XXXXXX> 07/06/00 11:43AM >>>
Dear DC Cycles Community:

I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the list,
Kristina Rogish.  Kristina has been riding for less than a year and just
purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother.  I met Kristina through
the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team.  Kristina is
already becoming an accomplished rider.  She rides her own pace is quite
skilled.  She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex is NOT
an obstacle to road rash!

Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3.  Guys,
she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I
mean that).

Mark

From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 12:59:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Gxr801126 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D54@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Kristina M. Rogish'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:52:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain All true, all true > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [SMTP:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 12:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish > > Oh, my! Thanks, Mark, for the splendid introduction. Planes at National, > big hands, and the guys are even gonna clean up! Quite an impact I've > made already... I love you, man! > > Looking forward to meeting everyone at bike night in a few weeks. And > don't worry about Mark... he's just jealous and trying to keep me for > himself. ;-) haha. > > -Kristina > > Robert Beatty wrote: > > I'm cute and young also. Does that make us a match? Welcome > Kristina, I have a CBR929, maybe we can go riding one night and watch the > plans land at National...... :) > > >>> Mark Kitchell 07/06/00 11:43AM > >>> > Dear DC Cycles Community: > > I would like to introduce a dear friend of mine who just joined the > list, > Kristina Rogish. Kristina has been riding for less than a year and > just > purchased a Honda Nighthawk 750 from her brother. I met Kristina > through > the AIDS Ride, where she was a superstar on my Moto Team. Kristina > is > already becoming an accomplished rider. She rides her own pace is > quite > skilled. She does need to improve her safety equipment.....Goretex > is NOT > an obstacle to road rash! > > Anyway, you will surely meet her on this list and at Bike Night 3. > Guys, > she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of > her (I > mean that). > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:10:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66HAO801316 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.9a.6d6b467 (7042) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9a.6d6b467.26961776@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:10:14 EDT Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Hey Kristina - Welcome! And forget these other guys - come up to Summit Point Raceway on July 15-16 and visit the DC-Cycles Racing contingent! (Hey - no one tell my girlfriend I'm racing that weekend, ok?) ;) In all seriousness... glad to have another rider on the list, and good to see more women on motorcycles. - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:13:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from server.SPECTRUMscience.com (spectrumsci02.spectrumscience.com [208.58.10.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66HDs801413 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007061713.e66HDs801413@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Inbox (207-172-70-226.s226.tnt11.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.70.226]) by server.SPECTRUMscience.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id M37A9215; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:12:16 -0400 Reply-To: From: Cc: Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e66HDw801414 I have been told by a shop owner that a good number of Maryland State Troopers have sportbikes and that they do alot of aggressive high speed riding and that they contribute a great deal to the problem described by the article. He hadnt seen the article and laughed when he told me this. dave cross ----Original Message----- >From: Randy and Julie Moran >Cc: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup >Reply-To: rajmoran@XXXXXX >Date: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:23 AM > >The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression that the bike cops >would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their role was to be the >infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" riders in the area, >to be able to alert the other cops of the whereabouts of the illegal >racing activity. That's what the report said, anyway... > >When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the cops were going to >use, they said something like, "these machines weigh around 600 pounds, >and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to me, and not >particularly impressive even if it is true. The most popular "road >rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in the report of >riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the GSXR. The new one >weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. > >Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look out for a tall, bald, >black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs with the >checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to join your gang, say >"Get lost, Stone!" > >This public service announcement has been courtesy of: > >Randy Moran >WERA Novice #696 >http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > >Sponsored by: >Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA >http://www.speed-werks.com >http://www.cortidesign.com > > > >Corbett B wrote: > >> I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting the >> 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via >> computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the bike >> is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle >> division that performs mods on police-prepped bikes >> (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the bikes I >> saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 >> K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or >> checkerboard) paint scheme. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:40:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law-f86.hotmail.com [209.185.131.149]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66He4801911 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15379 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2000 17:39:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706173956.15378.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 204.193.255.42 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:39:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [204.193.255.42] From: "Doug Allis" To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:39:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dave I've been through the "reckless driver" system twice in Fairfax Co -- two times in in two years -- 1995 and 1997. Once in a car and once on a motorcycle on the 395 HOV lanes. Both times I sat in court and watched many other "reckless drivers" go up and get their due licking before my case came up. Most were speeders only and many didn't have lawyers. I saw a couple of real fools get jail time! But by the time my case came up, I was sure I was going to be OK. Why? because the guys that had lawyers or a real sob story were doing OK. Those who didn't have either were losing their licenses. Get a lawyer familiar with the Fairfax system. You are exactly right that you need to know which judge will go easy on you... you pay your lawyer to make sure that you appear before that judge. On the second one I got two continuances before I appeared before the "right" judge. I got off easier the second time because we could get the judge we wanted. So I got two reckless charges in two years, both speeding and my insurance payment never went up. I paid a total of $1,100 in lawyer's fees-- about $400 the first time and about $700 the second. Compare that to losing your license for a few weeks. > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > > single most relevant factor > > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going to > > be the judge. > > > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > > > dave cross > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 13:49:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Hn8802078 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01953; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000706134906.009f4f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 13:50:00 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D4E@qsi-tysons.qualitys trategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome, Kristina! If you're single, be ready for lots of dates! ; ) If you're going on the girls' ride with Laura, I'll be there too. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 htttp://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 14:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Ij8803212 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11029; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964D3D7.F7452006@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:45:43 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perry, I'd look into gel seat pads. I saw them in the Lochart Phillips catalog, awhile ago. It's removable, so there's no investment in a second seat. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org PS. SOC-USA is looking for a Coordinator for the Washington DC area. Contact me if interested. SCD "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 14:54:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [192.48.96.29]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Is4803347 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [153.39.169.156] by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ippool169-156.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.169.156]) id QQiwrz00482 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:54:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dsnyder@XXXXXX Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3964A9D5.25CD2087@patriot.net> References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5731@md-exchange1.nai.com> <3964A9D5.25CD2087@XXXXXX> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:53:44 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Dan J. Snyder" Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have a 6 month old Corbin for a Ducati ST2/4 if anyone cares. $225 plus shipping. http://www.corbin.com/material/matl2.jpg Extremely comfortable. Dan 00RSV At 11:46 AM -0400 7/6/00, Bill Huson wrote: >A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 before my >ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to sit on >but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - felt >hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she luved it. > >But I should mention that the Corbin, supposedly built for an FLHS, didn't >quite fit with the factory stock grab bar. Corbin sells one that does fit = >$169. Screw that, clamped the stock bar in the bench vise and tweaked it - >fits fine now. > >Bill > >Coleman, Perry wrote: > > > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:02:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66J2P803566 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:02:32 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D63@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Dan J. Snyder'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:54:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Will that fit on a Harley (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J. Snyder [SMTP:dsnyder@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades > > I have a 6 month old Corbin for a Ducati ST2/4 if anyone cares. $225 > plus shipping. > http://www.corbin.com/material/matl2.jpg > Extremely comfortable. > Dan > 00RSV > > At 11:46 AM -0400 7/6/00, Bill Huson wrote: > >A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 > before my > >ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to > sit on > >but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - > felt > >hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she > luved it. > > > >But I should mention that the Corbin, supposedly built for an FLHS, > didn't > >quite fit with the factory stock grab bar. Corbin sells one that does > fit = > >$169. Screw that, clamped the stock bar in the bench vise and tweaked it > - > >fits fine now. > > > >Bill > > > >Coleman, Perry wrote: > > > > > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for > sport-touring? > > > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially > after > > > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > > > > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties > over the > > > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > > > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but > I've > > > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the > longer > > > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but > not > > > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a > 1000-mile > > > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff > looks > > > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a > Sargent > > > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a > ZX-6? > > > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > > > > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:04:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (min.net [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66J48803588 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11692 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:03:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Red-Light Cameras Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone of the M/C will trip the redlight cameras in the district? -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:09:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66J97803667 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Thu Jul 06 12:12:16 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3LR3T5CK>; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:11:19 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5732@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:07:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, they are both V-Twins... ;^) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:55 PM To: 'Dan J. Snyder'; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Will that fit on a Harley (-: > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan J. Snyder [SMTP:dsnyder@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:54 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades > > I have a 6 month old Corbin for a Ducati ST2/4 if anyone cares. $225 > plus shipping. > http://www.corbin.com/material/matl2.jpg > Extremely comfortable. > Dan > 00RSV > > At 11:46 AM -0400 7/6/00, Bill Huson wrote: > >A couple hundred mils? The poser seat on my Harley was good for 50 > before my > >ass was screaming. Replaced it with a Corbin $$$ which feels stiff to > sit on > >but is great on the long hauls. My biker chick didn't like it at first - > felt > >hard with that dense foam - but at the end of a fairly long ride she > luved it. > > SNIP From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:51:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66Jpi804536 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2950 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2000 12:51:36 -0700 Date: 6 Jul 2000 12:51:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20000706195136.2949.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Jul 2000 19:51:36 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 06 Jul 2000 12:51:36 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: bike night 3 Is anyone planning on heading to bike night from the Tyson's Corner area? Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 15:53:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66JrE804556 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id i.e6.7b9861f (4333); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:53:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 15:53:00 EDT Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/6/00 11:53:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mkitchell@XXXXXX writes: << Guys, she is very cute and young, so keep your gruby little hands off of her (I mean that). >> What kind of people, may I ask, do you think are on this list? Do you own a Harley by any chance? Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 16:30:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66KUf805257 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-225-102.s356.tnt6.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.225.102]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13AIIA-00007I-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:30:39 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:35:03 GMT Message-ID: <396515b8.14766067@smtp.erols.com> References: <200007061713.e66HDs801413@dirty.meretrix.com> In-Reply-To: <200007061713.e66HDs801413@dirty.meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e66KUo805258 On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:17 +0000, you wrote: |>I have been told by a shop owner that a good number of Maryland State Troopers have sportbikes |>and that they do alot of aggressive high speed riding and that they contribute a great deal to the problem described by the article. He hadnt seen the article and laughed when he told me this. |> |>dave cross It's true.. other jurisdictions too.. and if the lights go on, they pull over, flash their badges and the whole group who pulled over gets off. Recently a bike went down (around 210, coming from VA getting on 295 from 495) due to either mechanical failure, or failing to secure the real wheel after having work done (don't think this was the case). anyway the bike dumped going about 60 i guess.. and slid a looong way.. rider was okay.. so anyway a dc cop stops.. a big ol guy.. and he was telling us how he & other officers who live in their district park their bikes in the police's garage. They dont' want their bikes to get stolen . He says they have like 30 bikes parked in there. That's kinda cool. Of course then a dick of the Maryland state troopers comes along after the dc cop leaves and says "what happened? I don't care, get off my stretch of highway". Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 17:52:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Lqo806829 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000706215237.DHOB11120.fortune.excite.com@prickles> for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:52:37 -0700 Message-ID: <16654912.962920357581.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Loundon 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Speaking of lawyers and reckless tickets, when do the "loundon 9" get their day before the Man? __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 17:54:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f237.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.237]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e66Lsr806867 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87294 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2000 21:54:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706215445.87293.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.32.192.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:54:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX Subject: '98 VFR800 Rear Sprocket Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:54:45 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just a word or two of advice for those do-it-yourselfers out there. In case any of you were wondering if your thumb could fit between the chain and rear sprocket teeth, let me save you a world of hurt by saying "HELL NO IT CAN'T!!!!" Was getting a little carried away cleaning the chain with a trusty rag and WD-40 (NOTE: NOT FANNING THE FLAMES OF ANY PREVIOUS THREAD!!!) spinning the rear wheel when the rag caught, sending my unsuspecting thumb into the teeth of pain. "D'OH!" Among other words and sounds followed what could be one of the dumbest moves ever. While it's been a couple days since this incident, I waited until now for the full purple color to set in before I shared my tale. Looks like the nail will be salvaged since the gear tooth cut through it right down the middle. Live and learn, eh?! Have a pleasant evening, and ride well! Rob '98 VFR800 Red (thumb: purple) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 18:22:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66MLx807426 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.48.7c575a6 (3870); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <48.7c575a6.2696607c@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:21:48 EDT Subject: Re: The Loundon 9 To: Culimerc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/6/00 17:54:49 Eastern Daylight Time, Culimerc@XXXXXX writes: > Speaking of lawyers and reckless tickets, when do the "loundon 9" get their > day before the Man? July 20th for the first pack Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 18:54:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e66Msc807944 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2iveleg.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.208]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25294 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007801bfe798$596500a0$d055f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Re: Free Helmet Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:20:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hello folks, I received a ton of emails and am sorry I can't give free helmets to everyone. I am going to donate it to Tim Morrow at the Rider Safety program in Loudoun County. Hopefully it will keep someone safe while they are learning to ride. Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 20:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e670Dw809508 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (adsl-138-88-46-197.bellatlantic.net [138.88.46.197]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA15181 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Paul Elkouss" To: Subject: rides this weekend? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:15:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200007062300.e66N02v08058@dirty.meretrix.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hi all, any rides on Saturday or Sunday? Paul 1990 Yamaha Radian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 20:26:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e670Q1809699 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQiwsi16101 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:00:22 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQiwsi05976 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:00:17 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:00:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Cycles USA (Georgia & Connecticut Silver Spring(?)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Has anyone had any dealings with this dealer's service department? Good? Bad? Indifferent? Any replies can come to me off-list. Thanks! Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 21:40:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e671eV810832 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10875 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:40:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706213925.00b733b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:40:21 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Tonight at 11... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Another report on wrangling sport bikes in Maryland is due to air on NBC 4 tonight at 11. I'll tape it again - see if they have any new info. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:09:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6729I811358 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:09:15 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: Operation Rocket Roundup Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:09:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bfe7b8$61487340$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <396515b8.14766067@smtp.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > |>I have been told by a shop owner that a good number of Maryland > State Troopers have sportbikes > |>and that they do alot of aggressive high speed riding and that > they contribute a great deal to the problem described by the > article. He hadnt seen the article and laughed when he told me this. I believe one of the group last Saturday was a police officer. I'll not mention any names, nor the bike he was riding, but he was certainly going as fast as any. I'd certainly hope that if we had gotten pulled over, his credentials would have helped us all. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:12:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e672CV811449 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:12:29 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: Cycles USA (Georgia & Connecticut Silver Spring(?)) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:12:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bfe7b8$d4c8ee80$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Has anyone had any dealings with this dealer's service department? > Good? Bad? Indifferent? Any replies can come to me off-list. Thanks! It's been many, many years since I lived in Maryland, but at that time their service was adequate but slow. And very, very expensive. HTH. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:14:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e672EW811459 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.90.6b1174f (4417) for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <90.6b1174f.269696f6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:14:14 EDT Subject: Bike Night 3 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Folks, Could someone remind me of the details (time/place) for Bike Night 3?? Also, Anyone interested in a REALLY EARLY ride in the Howard County area Saturday morning? I've got a 10:30am flight to California Saturday morning, but I've also got a really big urge to go riding before I get on that flight. How 'bout it??? Jonathan '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 22:15:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.49]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e672F8811538 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail2.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:15:03 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: Halogen Brake Lights Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 22:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfe7b9$31121d60$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Those of you who were on the Saturday ride may remember me as the guy on the ST1100 with the "always on" brake lights. Well, I've discovered the problem. The bulbs are manufactured backwards! Instead of a 15 watt tail light and a 50 watt brake light, I ended up with a 50 watt tail light and a 15 watt brake light! I'm going to try reversing the wires (once the ST is back on the road), and see how they work when wired correctly. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:07:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6737D812392 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707030702.22479.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:07:02 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randy- The BMW K1200RS is 628 lbs (w/fuel) making 130 bhp @ 8750 rpm (limited to 100 hp in Europe) it's not touted as Beemer's sport bike but as their Sport-Touring Bike. The R1100S is relegated as their sport bike w/ 98 bhp @ 7500 rpm & 504 lb curb weight with fuel... Okay..still not as impressive as some of the rice-rockets, but it has alternate fuel capabilities running cleanly on bratwurst, sauerkraut, & beer. Not impressed? YOU try it! :-p -Corbett --- Randy and Julie Moran wrote: > The report I saw on Fox5 did not give the impression > that the bike cops > would be involved in much (if any) pursuit. Their > role was to be the > infiltration of the various groups of "road rocket" > riders in the area, > to be able to alert the other cops of the > whereabouts of the illegal > racing activity. That's what the report said, > anyway... > > When they were describing the bikes (BMWs) that the > cops were going to > use, they said something like, "these machines weigh > around 600 pounds, > and have around 130 hp." The sounded a little off to > me, and not > particularly impressive even if it is true. The most > popular "road > rocket", at least based on the candid shots shown in > the report of > riders tooling down the beltway, seems to be the > GSXR. The new one > weighs around 380 wet and makes 126 hp. > > Anyway, if you're one of the road rocketeers, look > out for a tall, bald, > black motorcycle cop on one of those sporty new BMWs > with the > checkerboard pattern on the fairing. If he tries to > join your gang, say > "Get lost, Stone!" > > This public service announcement has been courtesy > of: > > Randy Moran > WERA Novice #696 > http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ > > Sponsored by: > Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA > http://www.speed-werks.com > http://www.cortidesign.com > > > > Corbett B wrote: > > > I don't think you'll be seeing the K12OORS hitting > the > > 180 mark...the stock bike is speed-governed via > > computer chip to around 153-156 mph. Unless the > bike > > is tweaked. BMW does have a Police Motorcycle > > division that performs mods on police-prepped > bikes > > (mostly RT1100's from what I've seen) but the > bikes I > > saw looked like the off-the-showroom-floor 2000 > > K1200RS with the limited edition "taxi" (or > > checkerboard) paint scheme. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:15:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673F9812570 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-91.patriot.net [209.249.180.91]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e673F1j15121; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:15:01 -0400 Message-ID: <396549A0.CBAAE610@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:08:16 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Halogen Brake Lights References: <000c01bfe7b9$31121d60$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An easier fix than my always on brake lights. Apparently, while lubing my throttle cables I busted the front brake switch pushrod. Me and a fellow biker managed to mickey mouse it back together but it still sticks on occasion. Off to dealer tommorrow with cash in hand and a fervent hope that they have the part in stock. If not I'll cut the front brake switch wire and trigger the lights with the back brake until I can get the damn part. ??? Are all halogen brake/tailights rigged ass-backwards ??? Bill Bob Meyer wrote: > Those of you who were on the Saturday ride may remember me as the guy on the > ST1100 with the "always on" brake lights. Well, I've discovered the > problem. The bulbs are manufactured backwards! Instead of a 15 watt tail > light and a 50 watt brake light, I ended up with a 50 watt tail light and a > 15 watt brake light! > > I'm going to try reversing the wires (once the ST is back on the road), and > see how they work when wired correctly. > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:17:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e673H8812580 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707031700.158.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:17:00 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill- K bike among the screamers? All you gotta do is drive by my house on the weekend. I park my K1200RS about 15 feet from my bedroom.... I've been trying to get the girls to keep it down though. The roommates have been losing sleep keeping their ears up against the wall... :-0 -Corbett '99 K1200RS PS. I think Daffy was assigned to public relations.. --- Bill Huson wrote: > That's funny! Infiltrate on a Beemer??? Who does > the cops intelligience > work - Daffy Duck? I have never seen a K Beemer > among the screamers. > > Bill > laughing... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:23:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673NE812659 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11043; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:23:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000706231156.00b7b7c0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:23:00 -0400 To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed DC-Cycles members are already aware of the Maryland 'Operation Rocket Roundup' effort to snare aggressive motorcyclists. I taped the NBC 4 news story this evening for those of you that haven't seen it. I thought it was funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in excess of 180 MPH! Heh. Clip can be viewed here: 13Mb AVI: http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi 10Mb Zipped AVI: http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi.zip 5Mb Original FOX report (no VFR) AVI: http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi Sorry the files are so big. Editing software keeps crashing. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:27:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673RZ812755 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-91.patriot.net [209.249.180.91]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e673RRj16408; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: <39654C8A.32E52BE5@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:20:42 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000707031700.158.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know you're problem. Many nights I've peeked out the window on my house, centered on a half acre lot, and spied the nieghbor across the street sucumbing to the urge to light up a cigarette. Hmm... I thought Yosemite Sam had been assigned to public relations Bill Corbett B wrote: > Bill- > > K bike among the screamers? All you gotta do is drive > by my house on the weekend. I park my K1200RS about 15 > feet from my bedroom.... I've been trying to get the > girls to keep it down though. The roommates have been > losing sleep keeping their ears up against the wall... > :-0 > > -Corbett '99 K1200RS > > PS. I think Daffy was assigned to public relations.. > > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > That's funny! Infiltrate on a Beemer??? Who does > > the cops intelligience > > work - Daffy Duck? I have never seen a K Beemer > > among the screamers. > > > > Bill > > laughing... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:39:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e673dF812928 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-54.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.54]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05669 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:39:09 -0400 Posted-Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:39:09 -0400 Message-ID: <01b701bfe7c4$cb77de20$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Curiosity slaked Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:36:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's done. Harleys are no longer the mysterious reviled-and-worshipped = icons of the past. A 4-hour ride today filled out a big section of my = personal Harley FAQ, abuilding over the last few years. =20 For those who have like needs, read on. Veterans could be bored. =20 The story. Midway through my morning mail yesterday was Motorcycle = Times. Uh Oh. A must 15min skim at least. Flip, flip, read, flip. = And doing a little fantasizing about those wx forecasts for today, Fri, = Sat. -- Canada candy. =20 Whoa. There's a full pager from the new Harley Dealer, Patriot, in = Fairfax. With "We Rent H...-D...'s" in big display. Like yelling = "Free Money" to Darva Conger. I leaped, checking rates, competition, = schedules, etc. (I recalled a posting here for H-D rentals in Clinton). = And it ended up tops. =20 For about $75 (12.50 of that was optional bike damage insurance) I rode = an 88B (new counterbalanced) Fatboy from 10:30 to 2:30, (Winchester and = back with stops). Could have ridden Wide Glides, Heritages, or Road = Kings. The bike had 4K miles and glistened. And the day was perfect. = A Harley experience in spades. =20 The point is that the rental service did well by me. Its a = multi-location national operation, and at Patriot the desk is inside the = dealership and seems busy. A lot of details at www.motorcyclerentals.cc = (they said the site is someplace in the South Pacific -- zip cost). = Rentals anyplace from half-day on (various weekend, length of rental = options). Reservations appropriate. Scott's the local man at 703 218 = 4004. (As always these days, there is a lot of fine print on the rental = papers.) My Harley impression? Increasing pluses with the new engine, improving = quality. Did it knock me off my VN750? Not yet. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Jealous while Fatboy goes travelling. =20 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's done.  Harleys are no longer the = mysterious=20 reviled-and-worshipped icons of the past.   A 4-hour ride = today filled=20 out a big section of my personal Harley FAQ, abuilding over the last few = years. 
 
For those who have like needs, read on.  = Veterans could=20 be bored. 
 
The story.  Midway through my morning mail = yesterday was=20 Motorcycle Times.  Uh Oh.  A must 15min skim at least.  = Flip,=20 flip, read, flip.  And doing a little fantasizing about those wx = forecasts=20 for today, Fri, Sat. -- Canada candy. 
 
Whoa.  There's a full pager from the new Harley = Dealer,=20 Patriot, in Fairfax.  With "We Rent H...-D...'s" in big=20 display.   Like yelling "Free Money" to Darva = Conger.   I=20 leaped, checking rates, competition, schedules, etc. (I recalled a = posting=20 here for H-D rentals in Clinton). And it ended up tops.  =
 
For about $75 (12.50 of that was optional bike = damage=20 insurance) I rode an 88B (new counterbalanced) Fatboy from 10:30 to = 2:30,=20 (Winchester and back with stops).  Could have ridden Wide Glides,=20 Heritages, or Road Kings.   The bike had 4K miles and=20 glistened.   And the day was perfect.  A Harley = experience in=20 spades. 
 
The point is that the rental service did well by = me.  Its=20 a multi-location national operation, and at Patriot the desk is inside = the=20 dealership and seems busy.  A lot of details at www.motorcyclerentals.cc = (they said=20 the site is someplace in the South Pacific -- zip cost).  Rentals = anyplace=20 from half-day on (various weekend, length of rental = options).  =20 Reservations appropriate.  Scott's the local man at 703 218 = 4004.  (As=20 always these days, there is a lot of fine print on the rental=20 papers.)
 
My Harley = impression? =20 Increasing pluses with the new engine, improving quality.  Did it = knock me=20 off my VN750?  Not yet. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Jealous while Fatboy goes = travelling. =20
Join the AMA.  Help protect my riding=20 fun.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_01B4_01BFE7A2.F60E1720-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 6 23:51:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e673pZ813183 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707035128.5369.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:51:28 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: "Reckless in Virginia" To: Doug Allis , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doug- Come to think of it...I remember watching the same courtroom drama. A little pucker factor when I saw numerous guys ushhered through the little "hidden" door to the side of the courtroom (Fairfax County)..and this is the "GOOD" Judge I thought? Turns out you figure out how good a case you have..if your position is weak, your attorney has opportunity try to "make a deal" [SEE Plea Bargain] with the Prosecutor. Generally the Judge will accept any deal the Prosecutor is willing to "Recommend". IF the prosecutor is willing to deal. Bring a copy of your(hopefully CLEAN)driving record with you to show the Prosecutor... I'm not sure about getting to pick your Judge..I showed up for my court date with the "Good" Judge and OOPS..there was a last minute change in judges... Once you show up - GAME'S ON! -Corbett --- Doug Allis wrote: > Dave > > I've been through the "reckless driver" system twice > in Fairfax Co -- two > times in in two years -- 1995 and 1997. Once in a > car and once on a > motorcycle on the 395 HOV lanes. Both times I sat in > court and watched many > other "reckless drivers" go up and get their due > licking before my case came > up. Most were speeders only and many didn't have > lawyers. I saw a couple of > real fools get jail time! But by the time my case > came up, I was sure I was > going to be OK. Why? because the guys that had > lawyers or a real sob story > were doing OK. Those who didn't have either were > losing their licenses. Get > a lawyer familiar with the Fairfax system. You are > exactly right that you > need to know which judge will go easy on you... you > pay your lawyer to make > sure that you appear before that judge. On the > second one I got two > continuances before I appeared before the "right" > judge. I got off easier > the second time because we could get the judge we > wanted. So I got two > reckless charges in two years, both speeding and my > insurance payment never > went up. I paid a total of $1,100 in lawyer's fees-- > about $400 the first > time and about $700 the second. Compare that to > losing your license for a > few weeks. > > > > > After talking to many people it seems that the > > > single most relevant factor > > > > in the outcome of my case will be who is going > to > > > be the judge. > > > > > > > > I'll post the outcome. > > > > > > > > dave cross > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 00:08:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6748q813464 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707040845.29715.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:08:45 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Red-Light Cameras To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I know MY bike trips the damn red light camera's in Vienna (Old Courthouse Rd. & Nutley). Can't get away with a "California Stop" and no more pulling into the middle of the intersection while the light is yellow and "clearing the intersection" once the light turns red and traffic stops. This intersection has it all...infrared lights to FURTHER ILLUMINATE your (front plate if you're in a car, you're gestures if you're on a bike) AND two halogen spotlights to illuminate the back of the vehicle as you drive away. I've set off the spotlights numerous times now..still haven't recieved a ticket. Nowadays, I'm coming to a FULL stop...putting my doggone feet down, scratching, shaking my head...and proceeding. -Corbett ps One of my roommates DID get busted by a "red light camera" in Rosslyn on that "pull into the intersection on yellow and clear it on red" manuever...think the ticket was $40 & no points. Nice stop-motion photography though. (2 or 3 frames of You driving through the intersection) --- Morris Berman wrote: > Does anyone of the M/C will trip the redlight > cameras in the district? > > -Mb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 00:14:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e674Dv813544 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707041350.6153.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:13:50 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:13:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: The Loundon 9 To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AND did anyone ask the Lawyer(s) if it would be helpful/harmful/wasteful to have DC List riders show up in masse? -C --- James Hoofnagle wrote: > Speaking of lawyers and reckless tickets, when do > the "loundon 9" get their > day before the Man? > __________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you! > James > E-TKT > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > Say Bye to Slow Internet! > http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 00:55:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e674td814157 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707045530.4885.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.88] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:55:30 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Laura- Maybe it's because you always want to hog the ladies for yourself? Whuz up wit dat? If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... Any ladies are welcome to join me for a ride up to "Good Guys" after Bike Night 3.... -Corbett '99 K12RS ps I appreciate ladies on bikes as much as you do...as a matter of fact PROBABLY EVEN MORE!! --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: Hey [Mark], why didn't I ever get a great > introduction to the list like that? You are my > neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or > something???? lol. > > Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a > girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us > if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. > Contact me off the list. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 01:34:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f331.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.209]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e675Y7814811 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 01:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 57607 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 05:33:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.180.8.116 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:33:59 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.180.8.116] Reply-To: btw@XXXXXX From: "Brandon Whittle" To: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Might also notice that Maryland's pursuit 'rocket bike' is a BMW K1200RS - It might come close to keeping up with the VFR they showed... Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat imaging will do the trick. How much many can we put into this? It is comparable to sinking a million dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things law enforcement spends money on sometimes. Brandon Whittle >DC-Cycles members are already aware of the Maryland 'Operation Rocket >Roundup' effort to snare aggressive motorcyclists. I taped the NBC 4 news >story this evening for those of you that haven't seen it. I thought it was >funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in excess of >180 MPH! Heh. > >Clip can be viewed here: > >13Mb AVI: >http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi > >10Mb Zipped AVI: >http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/orr-nbc-7-6-00.avi.zip > >5Mb Original FOX report (no VFR) AVI: >http://www.troutman.org/ftp/pub/motorcycle-stuff/fox-md-bike.avi > >Sorry the files are so big. Editing software keeps crashing. > > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 02:23:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e676NH816400 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.b7.4adfc5f (3893) for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:23:06 EDT Subject: Have fun To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as things turned out I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at Laguna Seca!!!! Totally psyched! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 06:42:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67AgA820668 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA1294269 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965B3D9.E26677B7@radix.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:41:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: '98 VFR800 Rear Sprocket References: <20000706215445.87293.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Keiser wrote: > > In case any of you were wondering if your thumb could fit between the chain > and rear sprocket teeth, let me save you a world of hurt by saying "HELL NO > IT CAN'T!!!!" Well, uh, it can when you're barely able to walk... Thanks to my NIT WIT older brothers, I found out that as a toddler your finger(s) CAN FIT... About '72 or '73, after MUCHO pleading, my two older brothers convinced my parents to let them buy a motorcycle (dirt bike) - they were 14 & 16 years old respectively... I was but 3 or 4... One of them, to this day, neither will own up to it, decided it needed to be brought in the house, in the living room, & taken apart. While they were putting it back together, the call came for dinner. my oldest brother had just put the rear wheel & chain on. The last thing he did before going to eat was spin the wheel. I remember - my first really coherent recollection as a child - that this was way cool, so I went to touch it (gimme a break, I was like, 3 or 4). Much screaming & ballyhooing ensued, as well as a trip to the emergency room, & my 1st set of stitches. From that day, until I turned 18, I was unable to have a motorcycle... Oh well, the old man beat the crap out of the both of them ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 06:51:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ApH820816 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loudoun.com (sterling-50.cybercable.com [204.188.47.50]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67AoIL22457 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965B623.BB145D3@loudoun.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:51:18 -0400 From: Randy and Julie Moran Reply-To: rajmoran@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Roundup References: <20000707030702.22479.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Corbett-- I didn't mean to disparage anyone's choice of ride. The Beemer is a really nice bike, just not particularly well suited to the task being discussed IMHO, however you slice that particular Bratwurst. Consider that for @ $9399 the police could buy the latest GSXR 750 (or "SRAD", pronounced "shrad" by many Maryland rocketeers I've encountered) and have instant credibility with the groups they're supposedly trying to infiltrate. Also, if I'm a rocketeer, I've got my eye out for anyone on a BMW trying to join my reindeer games; I can safely exclude all of them that I encounter, secure in the knowledge that I've likely just ferreted out a cop. I mean, what kind of street hooligan rides a late model BMW sport tourer? Besides you? ; ) As a rocketeer, I simply cannot treat the "Shrads" and the ZXs with the same impunity; those are the weapons of choice, as common as cockroaches! Then again, if I'm a cop riding an 8 hour shift maybe the BMW starts to make sense after all... Randy Moran WERA Novice #696 http://www.geocities.com/rajmoran/ Sponsored by: Whitt's Suzuki of Manassas, VA http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.cortidesign.com Corbett B wrote: > Randy- > > The BMW K1200RS is 628 lbs (w/fuel) making 130 bhp @ > 8750 rpm (limited to 100 hp in Europe) it's not touted > as Beemer's sport bike but as their Sport-Touring > Bike. The R1100S is relegated as their sport bike w/ > 98 bhp @ 7500 rpm & 504 lb curb weight with fuel... > Okay..still not as impressive as some of the > rice-rockets, but it has alternate fuel capabilities > running cleanly on bratwurst, sauerkraut, & beer. Not > impressed? YOU try it! :-p From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 06:52:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Aqp820826 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA07820 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17640 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA1568807 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965B659.933E0DA1@radix.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:52:09 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report References: <4.2.0.58.20000706231156.00b7b7c0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike T wrote: > > DC-Cycles members are already aware of the Maryland 'Operation Rocket > Roundup' effort to snare aggressive motorcyclists. I taped the NBC 4 news > story this evening for those of you that haven't seen it. That was disappointing ; Vance is a biker. A Harley rider, but a biker nonetheless. It's a sport bike or cafe bike, or racer replica, not a rocket. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 07:03:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67B3E821001 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-74.patriot.net [209.249.180.74]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e67B3Aj16484 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:03:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3965B757.6A774FC1@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:56:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: reckless in VA and judges Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I've been lurking this thread and viewing comments about getting a lawyer who will attempt to get one's case tried before the *right* judge. ***BLINK*** Okay, maybe that explains why the old geezer who took a damn good shot at killing my ass had his case - failure to yield - continued THREE times. Then when the case came before a judge, who I might add was as geezerly as the M/C attack geezer, his lawyer asks for this round to be a "pre-trial heaing". I'm going huh, whazat? It was a request for a freaking jury trail!!! On a traffic ticket??? Good grief! The Judge sez no and we go on. Judge fines the geezer $25. I'm immpressed with justice - NOT! As I'm leaving I spy the two geezers, judge and M/C attacker, yukking it up and reminising about being in the same frat at college or some such drival. Could that explain the insulting to the victim $25 fine??? Demographic profiling alert: While cruising along on your scoot, beware of large cars piloted by blue hairs. The ever-dangerous Geezer-Mobile... Bill From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 07:55:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Btk821765 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id HAA22482 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3965C5F2.37F2D8EE@pti.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:58:43 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: Bike Night 3: Two Wheel Tuesday] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here you go Jonathan "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Boyz and girlz... > > The next Bike Night will be on Tuesday, July 18th from 7pm to ??? at > Grevey's in Falls Church. It'll be "Two Wheel Tuesday" with Speedvision > on most/all of the TVs. All the details are on the website at > > http://www.geocities.com/bikenight > > Mark your calendars! Hope to see y'all there! Please let friends (even > if they don't ride m/c's) know about this (and feel free to cross-post > to other m/c lists and clubs -- thanx!) > > Cheers, > Skittles, aka Chuck > '93 GSXR 750 > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:04:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67D4T822877 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:02:45 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Cycles USA (Georgia & Connecticut Silver Spring(?)) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:10:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 I have taken my bike there before. They seem like they're OK, maybe a bit on the expensive side. I didn't have much done, but it is the nearest place to my new house. I'll probably give them a shot with my next valve adjustment and see how they do. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:15:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67DEr823026 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Fri Jul 07 06:16:58 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3LR3479G>; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:16:01 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5735@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Cc: "'Steven C. Di Pietro'" Subject: RE: Sport touring seat upgrades Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:12:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steven, Thanks for the suggestion. When I had my old Corbin re-upholstered, I had the guy add a gel pad and it did seem to help. On the other hand, strapping one on the top of the seat will raise the seat height about an inch and that is to be avoided. My wife is not able to flat foot the bike at stops as it is, and I don't want to exacerbate the situation. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 2:46 PM To: Coleman, Perry; D.C.Cycles-L Subject: Re: Sport touring seat upgrades Perry, I'd look into gel seat pads. I saw them in the Lochart Phillips catalog, awhile ago. It's removable, so there's no investment in a second seat. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org PS. SOC-USA is looking for a Coordinator for the Washington DC area. Contact me if interested. SCD "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > Anyone have any opinions on seat upgrades/modifications for sport-touring? > (Dumb question - EVERYONE has an opinion on seat comfort - especially after > a couple of hundred miles in the saddle!) ;^) > > Anyway, after doing a couple of hundred miles of MD/VA/WV twisties over the > holiday, my wife has declared that the stock seat on the ZX-6 sucks. > Basically, it's like a brick. I've noticed that it is hard also, but I've > only ridden it about 50 miles at a time (I use the Concours for the longer > rides.) I had a Corbin seat on my older Concours, and it was OK, but not > that great. I've heard about Russell, but don't think we need a 1000-mile > seat on the bike. I was looking at Sargent Cycle and their stuff looks > pretty good. Any other suggestions? Any first hand reports of a Sargent > custom seat? Also, any thoughts on where to pick up a used seat for a ZX-6? > I'd prefer to keep the stock seat stock, and customize a second seat. > > Perry From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67DcD823417 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 22005 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 06:38:00 -0700 Date: 7 Jul 2000 06:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Jul 2000 13:38:00 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Jul 2000 06:38:00 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish On Thu, 06 July 2000, Corbett B wrote: Hogging the ladies all to myself huh? Now if I were smart, I'd organize a guy's ride and I'd be the only lady. LOL. You should organize a guys ride. that wouldn't make you pigs at all! I wasn't intentionally leaving anyone out of the ride, just figured that the girls would be a great way for all of us ladies on bikes to meet each other. :-) Laura > > Laura- > Maybe it's because you always want to hog the ladies > for yourself? Whuz up wit dat? > > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > > Any ladies are welcome to join me for a ride up to > "Good Guys" after Bike Night 3.... > > -Corbett '99 K12RS > ps I appreciate ladies on bikes as much as you do...as > a matter of fact PROBABLY EVEN MORE!! > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Hey [Mark], why didn't I ever get a great > > introduction to the list like that? You are my > > neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or > > something???? lol. > > > > Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a > > girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us > > if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. > > Contact me off the list. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 09:51:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Dpu823647 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13AYXn-0003B1-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:51:51 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05CSH; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:44:49 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Cc: Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:53:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 There are only few of us... ;) Michiko -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 8:38 AM To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish On Thu, 06 July 2000, Corbett B wrote: Hogging the ladies all to myself huh? Now if I were smart, I'd organize a guy's ride and I'd be the only lady. LOL. You should organize a guys ride. that wouldn't make you pigs at all! I wasn't intentionally leaving anyone out of the ride, just figured that the girls would be a great way for all of us ladies on bikes to meet each other. :-) Laura > > Laura- > Maybe it's because you always want to hog the ladies > for yourself? Whuz up wit dat? > > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > > Any ladies are welcome to join me for a ride up to > "Good Guys" after Bike Night 3.... > > -Corbett '99 K12RS > ps I appreciate ladies on bikes as much as you do...as > a matter of fact PROBABLY EVEN MORE!! > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Hey [Mark], why didn't I ever get a great > > introduction to the list like that? You are my > > neighbor, isn't that your civic duty or > > something???? lol. > > > > Welcome to the list, Kristina. We're having a > > girl's ride this Saturday, so feel free to join us > > if you'd like to go. We'd love to have you. > > Contact me off the list. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 10:21:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ELC824170 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08472 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21162 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-192.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.192]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA12266; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:21:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Have fun Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:20:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Gee thanks for the info Bryan. Rub our noses in it, why don't you! You lucky Bastard! I expect photos! Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:23 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Have fun > > > > I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as > things turned out > I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at > Laguna Seca!!!! > > Totally psyched! > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 10:45:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h014.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.178]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67EjJ824620 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23346 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 07:45:12 -0700 Date: 7 Jul 2000 07:45:12 -0700 Message-ID: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 7 Jul 2000 14:45:12 GMT Received: from [205.229.56.13] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 07 Jul 2000 07:45:12 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: last night's news report Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, listening to his portable CD player on his head phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice VFR, though... Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:14:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FDm825187 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071513.e67FDm825187@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.fb.80cd21a (15881); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web49.aolmail.aol.com (web49.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.10]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:12:04 -0400 Date: Fri Jul 07 11:12:03 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Have fun To: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DIE ROACH!!!! I WAS supposed to be going to Laguna this weekend but, money problems happen. Anyway, have fun. NOT!! ;-) Scooter In a message dated Fri, 7 Jul 2000 2:24:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach@XXXXXX writes: << I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as things turned out I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at Laguna Seca!!!! Totally psyched! - Roach >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:16:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FGv825269 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67FGGm06444 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22725; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:14:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000707111128.006be1e4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:11:28 -0400 To: Bill Huson From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Halogen Brake Lights Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <396549A0.CBAAE610@patriot.net> References: <000c01bfe7b9$31121d60$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:08 PM 7/6/00 -0400, Bill Huson wrote: > >??? Are all halogen brake/tailights rigged ass-backwards ??? > I don't know about ALL, but apparently all the ones supplied by Sport Touring Accessories: http://www.sporttouringusa.com have had this problem. Aside from this, I highly recommend STA. They are apparently in the process of moving their business, however, so they may be hard to get a hold of right now. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:28:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FS3825503 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18323; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000070711275302:34439 ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:27:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3965F776.B9623268@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:29:58 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/07/2000 11:27:54 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/07/2000 11:27:55 AM, Serialize complete at 07/07/2000 11:27:55 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Hogging the ladies all to myself huh? Now if I were smart, I'd organize a guy's ride and I'd be the only lady. LOL. Hey now! I couldn't let you have ALL of the fun yourself... you'd be one of 2 ladies... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67FXU825597 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23799 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 15:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 15:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <39661E09.5F23C183@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:14:33 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike T CC: vfr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report References: <4.2.0.58.20000706231156.00b7b7c0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike T wrote: > > I thought it was funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in > excess of 180 MPH! Heh. Gee, I sure hope they can distinguish the differences between a GSXR or a CBR and say, a Concours. :( 106 mph in a 55 zone might be a tad bit excessive, but when prevailing traffic often hits or exceeds 80mph on the beltway, it'd be really easy to get caught up in this crap. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:33:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FXY825607 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D6D@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Tire Changing??? Huge Favor Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:26:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone out there has the capacity to install tires and is really COOL, I really need to install new tires on my VFR (with center stand) tonight. I know this is a shot in the dark, but I would be happy to pay you! Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:37:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Fb9825708 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e67Fb2m09476 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:35:55 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: last night's news report To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice for that person... i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of an airplane. (better reference to the race track for sake of arguments) --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, > listening to his portable CD player on his head > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice > VFR, though... > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 11:50:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67FoI826345 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67FoBm11780 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id r.15.62f180e (3979); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:49:36 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <15.62f180e.2697560f@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:49:35 EDT Subject: Re: last night's news report To: matt_ehlert@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/7/00 11:39:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, matt_ehlert@XXXXXX writes: > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. Those plastic bits on our bikes actually serve a usefull purpose - you get behind them when you go fast :) When I first started racing, I wasn't getting down low enough going down the front stretch (my 400 tops out at about 140mph by the end of the front stretch at Summit Point) - that evening I had a sore neck from the wind force! Now I just put my chin on the tank and all is good - the wind is diverted around you by the fairings. It's pretty heavy when you pop up for braking at the end though! - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:01:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from merctech.com (brickhouse1.iad1.sitesmith.com [63.94.228.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67G1i826630 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merctech.com (IDENT:bergman@biber [127.0.0.1]) by merctech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10475; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:01:36 -0400 From: bergman@XXXXXX Message-Id: <200007071601.MAA10475@merctech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Reply-To: bergman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:35:55 PDT." <20000707153555.19342.qmail@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:01:36 -0400 In your message dated: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:35:55 PDT, your pithy ruminations on were: => a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice => for that person... => => i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on => the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ => range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and => getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of => an airplane. My personal experience--on the Italian Autostrada where it was legal--is that extended riding above 125 on my GTS1000 gets boring. It's loud, and there's a certain amount of "lift" from airflow over my helmet. Yeah, the horizon approaches faster, but it's not substantially different than doing 80. Oh, you can visibly watch the fuel gauge needle descend! The weird thing is "backing" off to about 80mph (5k rpm) and feeling like you should downshift because there's no power. => => (better reference to the race track for sake of => arguments) => => => => --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: => > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding => > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, => > listening to his portable CD player on his head => > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used => > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be => > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice => > VFR, though... => > => > Laura Granato => > '99 Suzuki GS500 => > => > => > ________________________________________________ => > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. => > http://www.peoplepc.com => => => => => __________________________________________________ => Do You Yahoo!? => Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. => http://im.yahoo.com/ => -- Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Rock Climber, Unix mechanic '94 Yamaha GTS1000A bergman@XXXXXX I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:06:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from academic.pg.cc.md.us (academic.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.116]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67G65826731 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brad@localhost) by academic.pg.cc.md.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA30339; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:31:56 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Matthew Ehlert cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report In-Reply-To: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've had my F4 up around the 135-140 mark (145 or so indicated)...no problems whatsoever. Of course, I was crouched down behind the wind screen, and the ride is surprisingly smooth. I've ridden a naked SV650 up around 80 mph, and this gets uncomfortable to me -- I felt like I was about to be sucked off the bike. :-) Brad 99 CBR600 F4 (street) 99 SV650 (race) 88 FZR400 (race) On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Matthew Ehlert wrote: > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > for that person... > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:14:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GEL826830 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-125.s125.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.125]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13Aalb-0000lk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:14:17 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:18:36 GMT Message-ID: <396729ab.29598293@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67GEN826831 On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT, you wrote: |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat imaging will do the trick. Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter tops out at 140 mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend on the inside has told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of course that 140 mph can go in any straight direction... anyone know the speed that helicopter can travel? What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt police initiated a chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even though the helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited to major highways.. so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved with such a high risk traffic stop without a real crime being involved...that and the state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the rider was willing to ride. |>How much many can we put into this? It is comparable to sinking a million |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things law enforcement spends |>money on sometimes. I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave up (or gotten another call) "we can follow him around all night in the air.. but is it going to be worth it? cease persuit". Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was spent on "protecting" this little boy? Funny..I thought we had a witness protection plan.. I hope that is a lot cheaper than what we spent on illian. Oh yeah and I was so glad they were protecting him.. You know.. they did an excellent job.. burstin into that residence, ready to shoot, and pointing a (sub-?)machine gun in his face. I bet he REALLY felt safe then. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:16:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from server.SPECTRUMscience.com (spectrumsci02.spectrumscience.com [208.58.10.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GGV826909 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071616.e67GGV826909@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Inbox (207-172-117-45.s45.tnt12.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.117.45]) by server.SPECTRUMscience.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id M37A923P; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:14:54 -0400 Reply-To: From: Cc: Subject: SPAM: Horsepower Shootout To: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67GGX826910 Just a reminder that this Sunday is the Horsepower Shootout at Fast Lane Cycles. You may not be interested in competing but for $20 you can run your bike on their dyno and find out just how much hp your bike really makes, plus you get a free t-shirt with your entry. There will also be food and drinks available. MARRC will also be represented there and will provide info on cornerworking/racing/Summit Point. Details can be found at http://www.fastlanecycles.com dave cross From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:21:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GLh827010 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-125.s125.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.125]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13Aasl-0001tC-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:21:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: reckless in VA and judges Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:25:59 GMT Message-ID: <39682e15.30728523@smtp.erols.com> References: <3965B757.6A774FC1@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3965B757.6A774FC1@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67GLm827011 |>attacker, yukking it up and reminising about being in the same frat at |>college or some such drival. Could that explain the insulting to the |>victim $25 fine??? pathetic |>Demographic profiling alert: While cruising along on your scoot, beware |>of large cars piloted by blue hairs. The ever-dangerous |>Geezer-Mobile... I was riding yesterday and up ahead I see an old lady with those dark sunglasses on, about to make a left turn in front of me... I was saying to myself... now this is the typical "oops i didn't see him coming" profile driver/scenario. Nothing happened, but you best believe all my warning sirens were going off in my head. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:36:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67Gab827335 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8758 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 16:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 16:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: <3966286D.90F83E75@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:58:53 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish References: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett wrote: > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > I know that Tracy has been really looking forward to the Girls Ride all week. She's not all that interested in riding with the regular DC Cycles guys (mentioned something about that testosterone thing, feeling pressured to keep up, etc., worried about the guys stuffing bikes under guardrails, etc.) I don't think the intent was just to exclude guys, but to encourage women who don't feel comfortable riding with the regular DC Cycles gang to get together. I think it's a great idea. Now I've got the house to myself Saturday morning! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:38:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GcL827353 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA1637384 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:38:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> <396729ab.29598293@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat imaging will do the trick. > > Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter tops out at 140 > mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend on the inside has > told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of course that 140 mph > can go in any straight direction... anyone know the speed that > helicopter can travel? 140 isn't unreasonable considering the load. I *think* the chopper is the same one they use for Medevacs (it's the same model if not the same chopper). FWIW, the UH 60 Blackhawk is good for about 195 mph stripped, fully loaded, about 175 - 180. It also costs about $2700.00 / hour to operate, give or take considering the current fuel prices. That's at cruising speed, not top speed. > > What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt police initiated a > chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even though the > helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited to major highways.. > so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved with such a high > risk traffic stop without a real crime being involved...that and the > state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the rider was willing to > ride. My stepfather has told me that PG routinely blows off high speed chases now. I'll take his word for it, he listens to a police scanner for a hobby... I get passed by PG county cops every day on the way home from work, & we're talkin' way over the 55 limit ... > |>How much many can we put into this? It is comparable to sinking a million > |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things law enforcement spends > |>money on sometimes. > > I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave up (or gotten > another call) "we can follow him around all night in the air.. but is > it going to be worth it? cease persuit". Don't count on it. Md. takes their speeders very seriously. Where do you think the budget surplus came from ;-) > > Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was spent on > "protecting" this little boy? I read about 3/4 of a million smackers.. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:47:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67GlO827539 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21282; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:47:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707124556.00ca3440@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:47:29 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report In-Reply-To: <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> <396729ab.29598293@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed If you want to email the news station about that Road Rocket story they did, you can do so here: http://www.nbc4.com/tvsd/email/index.shtml I have asked them repeatedly to run a story on the danger that cages pose to motorcyclists. No interest. Maybe if a lot of people ask them..... ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 12:55:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67Gtd827681 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707165531.2271.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:55:31 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marylands helicopter specs - http://www.inform.umd.edu/UMS+State/MD_Resources/MDSP/aviation/As365spc.htm MAX AIRSPEED: 201 MPH / 175 KIAS NORMAL CRUISE AIRSPEED: 161 MPH / 140 KIAS A friend of mine Jerry is a helicopter instructor.... and just a Jet Ranger cost major bucks to operate(500+/hr)... i can imagine a Dauphin(marylands helicopter) is allot higher cost! --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT, you wrote: > > |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat > imaging will do the trick. > > Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter > tops out at 140 > mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend > on the inside has > told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of > course that 140 mph > can go in any straight direction... anyone know the > speed that > helicopter can travel? > > What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt > police initiated a > chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even > though the > helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited > to major highways.. > so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved > with such a high > risk traffic stop without a real crime being > involved...that and the > state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the > rider was willing to > ride. > > |>How much many can we put into this? It is > comparable to sinking a million > |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things > law enforcement spends > |>money on sometimes. > > I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave > up (or gotten > another call) "we can follow him around all night > in the air.. but is > it going to be worth it? cease persuit". > > Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was > spent on > "protecting" this little boy? Funny..I thought we > had a witness > protection plan.. I hope that is a lot cheaper than > what we spent on > illian. Oh yeah and I was so glad they were > protecting him.. You > know.. they did an excellent job.. burstin into that > residence, ready > to shoot, and pointing a (sub-?)machine gun in his > face. I bet he > REALLY felt safe then. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:01:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67H1m827877 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12343 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 16:31:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 16:31:50 -0000 Message-ID: <39662FCA.7F3A4440@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:30:18 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C > endorsement on license, listening to his portable CD player on his head phones. Well, I hope they bust his ass for the 106, and the no MC endorsement deal (what an idiot), but I was kind of amused how much they stressed the CD player in the video clip. I've listened to music/CB radio on the bike, it's not a distraction by any means. Now if he had piped a cell phone into his helmet, that might have been different. It's really hard to concentrate on driving a motor vehicle when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:13:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f253.hotmail.com [216.32.180.194]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67HDC828125 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 75358 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 17:13:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707171304.75357.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.36.208.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:13:04 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MARRC Roadracing School July 15 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:13:04 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Is anyone going to the Roadracing school next weekend at Summit Point? Let me know. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:21:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67HLm828283 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32563 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 16:47:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 16:47:33 -0000 Message-ID: <39663375.58A95BC3@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:45:57 -0700 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Tire Changing??? Huge Favor References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D6D@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Kitchell wrote: > > If anyone out there has the capacity to install tires and is really COOL, I > really need to install new tires on my VFR (with center stand) tonight. > > I know this is a shot in the dark, but I would be happy to pay you! Or find Todd Peer, pay him $30, and buy into the DC Cycles Tire Changer forever! It still seems like a great deal to me. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 13:23:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67HNL828293 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09582 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25930 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-192.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.192]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA08015 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:23:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000707165531.2271.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal If my piloting memory servers me right, the max speed for most rotor aircraft is around 200 knots as beyond that the trailing blade tends to stall. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Ehlert [mailto:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 12:56 PM > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report > > > Marylands helicopter specs - > http://www.inform.umd.edu/UMS+State/MD_Resources/MDSP/aviation/As3 > 65spc.htm > > MAX AIRSPEED: 201 MPH / 175 KIAS > NORMAL CRUISE AIRSPEED: 161 MPH / 140 KIAS > > A friend of mine Jerry is a helicopter instructor.... > and just a Jet Ranger cost major bucks to > operate(500+/hr)... i can imagine a Dauphin(marylands > helicopter) is allot higher cost! > > > > --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:33:59 CDT, you wrote: > > > > |>Of course the twin turbine helicopter with heat > > imaging will do the trick. > > > > Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter > > tops out at 140 > > mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend > > on the inside has > > told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of > > course that 140 mph > > can go in any straight direction... anyone know the > > speed that > > helicopter can travel? > > > > What is not rumor, is that one night greenbelt > > police initiated a > > chase on some sportbikes, and 2 riders got away even > > though the > > helicopter was involved. The chase wasn't limited > > to major highways.. > > so maybe the county boys didnt' want to get involved > > with such a high > > risk traffic stop without a real crime being > > involved...that and the > > state boys just couldnt' be everywhere that the > > rider was willing to > > ride. > > > > |>How much many can we put into this? It is > > comparable to sinking a million > > |>dollars on a couple pound weed bust. The things > > law enforcement spends > > |>money on sometimes. > > > > I agree. Probably why the helicopter must have gave > > up (or gotten > > another call) "we can follow him around all night > > in the air.. but is > > it going to be worth it? cease persuit". > > > > Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was > > spent on > > "protecting" this little boy? Funny..I thought we > > had a witness > > protection plan.. I hope that is a lot cheaper than > > what we spent on > > illian. Oh yeah and I was so glad they were > > protecting him.. You > > know.. they did an excellent job.. burstin into that > > residence, ready > > to shoot, and pointing a (sub-?)machine gun in his > > face. I bet he > > REALLY felt safe then. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:02:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67I24829388 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707180152.17899.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:01:52 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:01:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: NElson Ledges To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, Where's the spirit??? Don't you know the craters, patches, broken curbing, tires lining the track, etc. etc. are all part of the mystique and nastalgia of the sledges?!?! hehehe Besides, everyone needs to have their kidneys tenderized now and again.... Since I haven't made it to the track at all yet this season, I would actually WELCOME a visit to the ledges...we'll see what august has in store... Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:07:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67I70829530 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707180648.15456.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:06:48 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mike J. wrote: > How does being a MD resident affect this, can they give you MD points in VA? >MD, VA & DC have full reciprocity, to the best of my knowledge Mike, ticket I got three years ago in VA made it back to my oregon license; however the 79 in 40 on GW parkway (fine only thank goodness) never made it back to the old record...(can't remember if those were park police or DC cops as I was technically still in DC) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:21:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ILX800169 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08198; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39664B11.975EDB75@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:26:41 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Have fun References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roach, Two words: You suck! %^) Actually, have a great time. And take lots of pics ... especially of umbrella girlz! %^) Skittles BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > I was thinking about making a ride for this weekend, but as things turned out > I'm flying out to sunny CA tommorow to catch the World Superbike races at > Laguna Seca!!!! > > Totally psyched! > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:26:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IQd800256 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04029; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39664C42.C6FCD506@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:31:46 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39662FCA.7F3A4440@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote : > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:29:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67ITT800358 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05818; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39664CEF.70E87873@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:34:39 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonman72@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 3 References: <90.6b1174f.269696f6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan, Bike Night 3 is Tuesday, July 18th at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA. All the details are on the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Chuck, aka Skittles Jonman72@XXXXXX wrote: > > Folks, > > Could someone remind me of the details (time/place) for Bike Night 3?? > > Also, Anyone interested in a REALLY EARLY ride in the Howard County area > Saturday morning? I've got a 10:30am flight to California Saturday morning, > but I've also got a really big urge to go riding before I get on that flight. > How 'bout it??? > > Jonathan > '00 YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:32:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IWJ800484 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pti.com (pc69.pti.com [208.213.159.69]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with ESMTP id OAA29952; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396622E0.FFEF8157@pti.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:35:12 -0400 From: Nelson Fernandez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been up to and held 163 according to the FJs speedo. Seems even faster when a car going in the other direction doing over 100 passes (Poof, and he's gone). And Roach is right, very windy when you decide to slow down and sit up. Oh, it was on that Italian Autostrada thingy too. 8 P Nelson Matthew Ehlert wrote: > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > for that person... > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:38:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IcO800585 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13Ad0s-0005tT-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:38:10 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05CY8; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:31:07 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Chuck Pena" , "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: last night's news report Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:39:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <39664C42.C6FCD506@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal They probably just have it on the books so they can cite you if you cause an accident. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 4:32 PM To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote : > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:41:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f162.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67IfX800610 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 58232 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 18:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20000707184122.58230.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.32.192.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:41:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:41:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Welcome to the list, Kristina. (I know I'm late = Digest mode and computer acting up) I'm sure you'll pick up a bunch of great tips and meet lots of new people here. Well, ok, maybe not, but it sounded good. Now, to become really popular, ask everyone's opinion of helmet laws, lane splitting, favorite oils, where to get your Nighthawk serviced, top speeds, and what kind of gear to wear. That should keep you busy for a while. See you at Bike Night3. Great weather....go ride! Rob '98 VFR800 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:42:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IgR800686 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNRRJ>; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:41:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: last night's news report Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:41:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . Looking forward to clarification, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:32 PM To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. Chuck Dale Horstman wrote : > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:54:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Iru800964 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21558 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:53:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707145324.00cb9320@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:53:58 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: RE: last night's news report In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:41 PM 7/7/00 , eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: >Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town >in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either >I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . If it is the law - I can't find it in Virginia's online legislative service: http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS905759.HTM ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:55:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Itr801039 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20717; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3966531E.CEE7D239@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:01:02 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Erik, I can't cite exactly which law (i.e., statute/code), but I got the info from an LEO buddy of mine. One of his favorite things to do after pulling a car over (for whatever moving violation) and the driver is yakking on the cell phone: "Wanna turn of the cell phone please, sir/maam?" "Huh? Whaddya mean?" "Please turn off the cell phone." "Why? What's it to you?" "I'll ask one more time. Please turn off the cell phone. It's against the law in Virginia to drive and talk on the cell phone. Would you like to be cited for that too?" "Uh. OK." (And the cell phone is turned off!) Chuck eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town > in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either > I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . > > Looking forward to clarification, > > Erik > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:32 PM > To: Dale Horstman > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: last night's news report > > Most people don't know this, but it is actually against the law to talk > on a cell phone while driving your car (in Virginia). Of course, it's > rarely enforced. But they can cite you for it if they want to. > > Chuck > > Dale Horstman wrote : > > > > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:58:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67IwS801150 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10095 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28744 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21585; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:58:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707145655.00cb8870@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:58:37 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Airborne radar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was looking back through old Times issues and found this: http://www.washtimes.com/metro/default-2000630231751.htm VA can now catch speeding drivers from the air. I wondered what the white stripes on 66 were for. Surprised they had to pass a law to make it legal. I'll just slow down between the stripes ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 14:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Ixf801170 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67IxZm15676 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-191.patriot.net [209.249.180.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e67IxQj19877; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <396626F6.39EA40B@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:52:39 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707153555.19342.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Riding at naked bike at high speed is work. Frame mount fairings kick-ass for smoothing the ride out. My top was somewhere around 150+ on an `89 Yamahonker FZR 700, on Route 29 south of Charlottesville, not exactly legal. NOTE: Statute of limitations has expired - nyah nyah.... The honker was dead stable at that speed, smooth and slick as snot on brass doorknob.but like your average crunched up riding position sportybike, a bitch to ride around town. Not comfy at all. Now I ride a perfumed pig Harley FLHS, and 800 pound beats with a clip-on windscreen, shortened to keep down the buffeting. I'll never see 100 on it unless I strap a JATO bottle on the ass and light it off. For now I'm happy just chugging along... Bill Matthew Ehlert wrote: > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > for that person... > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > an airplane. > > (better reference to the race track for sake of > arguments) > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding > > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, > > listening to his portable CD player on his head > > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used > > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be > > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice > > VFR, though... > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:08:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67J82801361 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13114 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 19:04:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 19:04:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3966298A.15797F9E@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:03:38 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: eschelzig@XXXXXX CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > Is this true? I thought last year there was big news about some small town > in Ohio being the first to outlaw using cellphones while driving. Either > I've been under a rock, or this isn't actually the law. . . I can't beleive that VA's legislature can move that quickly and that quietly. Although I think it would be a good law to enact. (Donning flame proof Gerbing riding suit) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:09:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67J9v801395 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18404 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 19:08:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 19:08:47 -0000 Message-ID: <39662AA7.E65A9702@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:08:23 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <3966531E.CEE7D239@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > > Erik, > > I can't cite exactly which law (i.e., statute/code), but I got the info > from an LEO buddy of mine. Geez, I sure hope LEOs in VA aren't just making this stuff up as they go... There would be a great hue and cry from the yuppies around here if cell-phone use while driving was banned. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:11:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JBN801408 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-191.patriot.net [209.249.180.191]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e67JBAj21871; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <396629B7.B91FBF4A@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:04:23 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <20000707144512.23345.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <39662FCA.7F3A4440@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Well, I hope they bust his ass for the 106, and the no MC endorsement deal > (what an idiot), but I was kind of amused how much they stressed the CD > player > in the video clip. I've listened to music/CB radio on the bike, it's not a > distraction by any means. > > Now if he had piped a cell phone into his helmet, that might have been > different. It's really hard to concentrate on driving a motor vehicle > when you are carrying on a phone conversation. But the cops can't bust > people with cell phones permanently attached to their ears, can they? > Actually, I find most music annoying while zipping down the road. I never listen to the radio/sterio unless SWMBO is along. Her taste in music blows, screechy fem singers. On the way back from TN this week I felt like ripping the tape out and tossing the Anita Screechalot into the median. Oh yeah, the cell phone is in the bag turned off. Give me quiet, a thermos of coffee, and a full tank of fuel and I'm gone.... Bill Harley with stealth pipes From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:18:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web220.mail.yahoo.com (web220.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67JIl801561 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707191844.19477.rocketmail@web220.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.17.43.96] by web220.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:18:44 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:18:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Braunstein Subject: Yamaha V-Star 1100 for Sale To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii With all the riding time I've been spending lately on my VFR, I've had to make the difficult decision to part with my 1999 Yamaha V-Star 1100. It's in showroom condition, garage-kept, and has only 2400 miles on it...it's definitely a beauty!! If anybody's interested (or knows someone who may be), please let me know. You can see it in the ad below. http://classifieds.excite.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C18+A0+R166415+Q255700397 Glenn Braunstein 98 VFR 800 99 V-Star 1100 (hopefully not much longer!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:22:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JM8801650 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e67JM4m19263 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16743 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report In-Reply-To: <396626F6.39EA40B@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Instead of a JATO bottle, how about a box of flares strapped to the side and lit simultaneously? :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > Riding at naked bike at high speed is work. Frame mount fairings > kick-ass for smoothing the ride out. My top was somewhere around 150+ > on an `89 Yamahonker FZR 700, on Route 29 south of Charlottesville, not > exactly legal. NOTE: Statute of limitations has expired - nyah > nyah.... The honker was dead stable at that speed, smooth and slick as > snot on brass doorknob.but like your average crunched up riding position > sportybike, a bitch to ride around town. Not comfy at all. > > Now I ride a perfumed pig Harley FLHS, and 800 pound beats with a > clip-on windscreen, shortened to keep down the buffeting. I'll never see > 100 on it unless I strap a JATO bottle on the ass and light it off. For > now I'm happy just chugging along... > > Bill > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > a plea of temporarily insanity might be a good choice > > for that person... > > > > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > > range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and > > getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of > > an airplane. > > > > (better reference to the race track for sake of > > arguments) > > > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > Sucks for whoever that guy (or girl) was. riding > > > down 270 at 106 mph, no M/C endorsement on license, > > > listening to his portable CD player on his head > > > phones. Guaranteed that person is going to be used > > > as a huge example! And supposedly, the cops will be > > > on "rockets" of their own. That was a damn nice > > > VFR, though... > > > > > > Laura Granato > > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > > http://www.peoplepc.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash2.flashmail.com [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67JMc801660 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25313 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 19:09:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 19:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <39662AB0.821D9CFA@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:08:32 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <4.2.0.58.20000707145324.00cb9320@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > If it is the law - I can't find it in Virginia's online legislative service: > > http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS905759.HTM Glad I'm not the only cyber-geek around here. :) And I can't find it either. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:22:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JMn801670 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16803 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish In-Reply-To: <20000707184122.58230.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And don't forget to announce what kind of gun your're packing, either! ;) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Robert Keiser wrote: > Welcome to the list, Kristina. (I know I'm late = Digest mode and computer > acting up) I'm sure you'll pick up a bunch of great tips and meet lots of > new people here. Well, ok, maybe not, but it sounded good. > > Now, to become really popular, ask everyone's opinion of helmet laws, lane > splitting, favorite oils, where to get your Nighthawk serviced, top speeds, > and what kind of gear to wear. That should keep you busy for a while. > > See you at Bike Night3. Great weather....go ride! > > Rob > '98 VFR800 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:35:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67JZe801949 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-01.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.129]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10870; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39665C59.149D20EF@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:40:25 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: last night's news report References: <4.2.0.58.20000707145324.00cb9320@mail.wheatintl.com> <39662AB0.821D9CFA@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My LEO buddy is with Fairfax County. Perhaps it's not a state law but a county ordinance? Chuck Dale Horstman wrote: > > Troutman wrote: > > > > If it is the law - I can't find it in Virginia's online legislative service: > > > > http://leg1.state.va.us/000/lst/LS905759.HTM > > Glad I'm not the only cyber-geek around here. :) And I can't > find it either. > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:37:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Jbr801969 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:36:21 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re:Airborne radar Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:44:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Hmm, sounds like they're putting down some good 1/4 mile drag strips to me. Just look for an airplane before your run :) I've actually been busted by ground based VASCAR before. I've heard that KA has had air based for some time now. Hopefully they'll work on the Integras with crome wheels and NY plates that do 100 up/down 95 and leave us alone. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 15:59:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67Jxc802357 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-125.s125.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.125]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13AeHg-0001nf-00; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:59:36 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Tonight's Operation Rocket Roundup NBC report Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:04:05 GMT Message-ID: <396a601d.43538611@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000707053359.57606.qmail@hotmail.com> <396729ab.29598293@smtp.erols.com> <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <3966078A.844C7790@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e67Jxh802358 |> My stepfather has told me that PG routinely blows off high speed chases |>now. I'll take his word for it, he listens to a police scanner for a I think PG county has a no chase policy now.. might be just for bikes..so they may not care if the state boys are chasing someone. Who gets sued if an accident happens? I dont' think pg county wants to find out. Ask your stepfather if he knows the helicopter frequencies. I haven't used my scanner much but that would be interesting listening i would think. I didn't use to listen to MD state frequencies either, but now that we have this rocket roundup thing going, it might be entertaining. |>hobby... I get passed by PG county cops every day on the way home from |>work, & we're talkin' way over the 55 limit ... I tend to go with the flow of traffic when I notice them, and i never pass them, and do the speed limit when i see them, and they do fade away in the front. Which doesn't bother me one bit :) |> Don't count on it. Md. takes their speeders very seriously. Where do |>you think the budget surplus came from ;-) yeah but if it takes 27 grand an hour to fly that chopper, think of the losses they take chasing this guy around for 15 minutes. it's no wonder they gave up on that one or two guy(s). it was interesting the news report said "of course some are going to get away.. but we'll catch some of them".. funny how they changed their story form "we will get you!" |>> Reminds me of the illian case.. how much money was spent on |>> "protecting" this little boy? |> |> I read about 3/4 of a million smackers.. We're all very proud taxpayers aren't we.. our money is sooooo well spent. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 16:12:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67KC8802633 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10638 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00595 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA16356 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:12:01 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000707160851.0075b948@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:08:51 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Airborne radar In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000707145655.00cb8870@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:58 PM 7/7/00 -0400, Troutman wrote: >I was looking back through old Times issues and found this: > >http://www.washtimes.com/metro/default-2000630231751.htm > >VA can now catch speeding drivers from the air. I wondered what the white >stripes on 66 were for. Surprised they had to pass a law to make it >legal. I'll just slow down between the stripes ;-) I've lived in several different states that practiced speed enforcement by air. It never lasts very long. Why not? Cost, plain and simple. It costs a LOT of money to keep a plane or helicopter in the air, and even bureaucrats tire of spending $1000 for every $50 speeding ticket after a while. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 16:20:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h001.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.165]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e67KKb802784 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 3736 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 13:20:24 -0700 Received: from 1Cust77.tnt5.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.26.208.77) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 13:20:24 -0700 X-Sent: 7 Jul 2000 20:20:24 GMT Message-ID: <005c01bfe851$d0cdb380$4dd01a3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: References: <20000707133800.22004.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3966286D.90F83E75@flashmail.com> Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:27:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 That was exactly my intent. Being a newbie, I was hoping to gather a slower-paced ride where I could get comfortable riding in a group and not feeling pressured. I have ridden with some of the guys on the list, and have learned a ton, and I am hoping tomorrow will prove the same for us gals. Will let you all know how it turns out. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Horstman To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish > Corbett wrote: > > > If we organized a "Guys Ride" we'd all be PIGS. > > Well maybe we ARE pigs, but we still don't come into > > this forum and EXCLUDE people from a ride... > > > > I know that Tracy has been really looking forward to the Girls Ride all > week. > She's not all that interested in riding with the regular DC Cycles guys > (mentioned something about that testosterone thing, feeling pressured to > keep up, etc., worried about the guys stuffing bikes under guardrails, > etc.) > > I don't think the intent was just to exclude guys, but to encourage women > who don't feel comfortable riding with the regular DC Cycles gang to get > together. I think it's a great idea. Now I've got the house to myself > Saturday morning! :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 18:58:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67MwN806303 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web509.mail.yahoo.com (web509.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.224]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e67MwKm21071 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 18:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000707225806.15195.qmail@web509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.136.133.184] by web509.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:58:06 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: last night's news report To: Matthew Ehlert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Matthew Ehlert wrote: > i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on > the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ > range on a "rocket"?? pretty smooth....just don't sit up also, don't try to do too much in the turning department -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 19:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e67N5Y806672 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va7-21.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.149]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA31113; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39668CF9.AEF1E75@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:07:53 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nbc4dc@XXXXXX Subject: Rocket Bikes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, I am writing to take issue with your characterization of certain motorcycles as "rocket bikes". The correct term (as is used within the motorcycle industry and by journalists) is "sportbike" (perhaps your reporter should have done more research). There are all types of road motorcycles, generally categorized as: standards, cruisers, tourers, sport-tourers, and sportbikes. To be sure, some motorcycles are faster than others (and some look fast/racey), but virtually all motorcycles are fast (i.e., capable of in excess of triple digit speeds). Calling them "rocket bikes" and then singling them out for law enforcement action (on the basis of the type of motorcycle) is, in my opinion, no different than racial profiling -- and just as abhorrent. Just because I ride a sportbike I am now considered some sort of menace on the road? I admit that there are probably sportbike riders out there who do the things your news story reported. But they aren't the only motorcycle riders who do so. And for that matter, car drivers of guilty of the same behavior. So why single out sportbikes? Shouldn't the police be trying to stop ALL irresponsible and dangerous drivers, regardless of what type of vehicle? And if they choose to focus on one type of vehicle (as a vehicle, rather than how it is being driven), aren't they then not paying attention to others who may be driving irresponsibly and dangerously? And why didn't your news story also talk about how dangerous car drivers (like those incessantly yakking on their cell phones and soccer moms paying attention to their kids instead of the road) represent grave danger to motorcycle riders (who have every right to be on the same roads), some of whom might be on sportbikes? My point is that the problem isn't sportbikes, per se. The problem is people who ride sportbikes irresponsibly and dangerously. Your story gave the impression that only sportbike riders are irresponsible and dangerous. And that ALL sportbike riders are such. Which then legitimizes the police action to single them out. BTW, did you know that the head of the motorcycle crew for the AIDSRide (in which NBC4 participated as a team and to which NBC4 gave extensive news coverage) rides a sportbike? And BTW, NBC4 anchor Jim Vance happens to ride motorcycles. To the best of my knowledge, he owns two: a Harley-Davidson (cruiser) and a BMW (tourer). And I've had the pleasure of riding with him once (on my sportbike). Regards, Chuck Pena Arlington, VA Suzuki GSXR 750 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 22:35:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e682Zc810904 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23579 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:35:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:35:28 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Saturday ride? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone planning a Sat ride? Non-aggressive...maybe to Skyline? If not I'm going to run down there solo. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 22:47:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e682lc811075 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwegerich (ip34.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.34]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA03846; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 19:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank Wegerich" To: "Mike T" , Subject: RE: Saturday ride? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:51:15 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> I am up for a morning ride ... can't do all day ... would like to go from 8.30am until 12.30pm. Ler me know if you want to meet somewhere ... Frank RT1100 -----Original Message----- From: Mike T [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 22:35 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Saturday ride? Anyone planning a Sat ride? Non-aggressive...maybe to Skyline? If not I'm going to run down there solo. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 7 23:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e683Ad811407 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id i.3f.7307197 (3924); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:09:56 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3f.7307197.2697f583@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:09:55 EDT Subject: Road Rocket Story To: nbc4dc@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 To Whom it may concern Your article on Maryland's State Police efforts to apprehend Road Racketeers on public roads was a discriminatory story. Not everyone on a SportsBike acts irresponsibly, which was not stated by your reporters or the Police Captain interviewed. So now everyone who watched your program now views Sportbike riders as irresponsible. That is discriminatory and irresponsible! So are you brave enough to correct this or is it not sensational enough for you! We have a hard time as it is watching out for CAR and TRUCK Drivers who are either on a cell phone or CB Radio! Are you aware that CAR DRIVERS KILL more MOTORCYCLISTS than motorcyclists kill car drivers or themselves. Are you aware that in New Jersey The NJTP Police Discriminated against African Americans because they thought they were more likely to be carrying Drugs! Is there a trend here! Who's Next? TV Reporters Calling in a story on their cell phone while driving on the beltway? You pride yourselves on fairly reporting a story, PLEASE DO SO THIS TIME!! Yours Sincerely, Richard McCreadie From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 12:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e68GMd826904 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000708162229.212.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:22:29 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:22:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Last nights news report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Matthew wrote: "i am just wondering.... not to incriminate anyone on the list... but how smooth is it up above the 120+ range on a "rocket"?? i have always had cruiser and getting any kind of speed going is like jumping out of an airplane." Matt, When my 93 GSXR had the stock gearing, 120mph was right at the motors "sweet spot". It was so smooth, stable and comfortable (even sitting up) that you really had no sensation of that speed at all...I went up a few teeth in the rear sprocket to pull the peak horsepower down to more usable speed ranges, but it wouls still fly... My 97 GSXR is set up for the track, and it's actually a pretty decent ride right up to the rev limiter in 6th gear... although you do get some head buffeting at that speed even in full tuck. Anita's GPZ 1100 is the same way... She let me take it for a spin one day, and it was very very very hard to keep it under 100 on any slab. THat thing was sooo smooth and quiet that I could have set a coke can on the tank at 100 without it fizzing out :) I don't know how she avoids tickets!! hehe I had to tool around in 4th gear to keep my speed down.. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 12:28:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e68GS3826983 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000708162742.17966.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:27:42 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Tonights operation roundup report To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danielle wrote: "Supposedly... it's rumored.. that.. the helicopter tops out at 140 mph..well that's what someone posted that a friend on the inside has told them. may very well just be grapevine. Of course that 140 mph can go in any straight direction... anyone know the speed that helicopter can travel?" Danielle, assuming that they are using the French made Aerospatiale helo that was pictured in the fox report, rumor is all it is....We in the Coast Guard use this chopper with shitty american made engines in it and overloaded, and it will still exceed 200 knots for cruising speed.. I think max speed is up around 300 knots?? Robert Van Slyke can probably give us exact numbers since he's in the aviation industry... but rest assured, the helo won't get outrun by a bike.... besides, they don't have to follow the road... so they can take shortcuts and still keep bike in sight! CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 13:29:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68HTR827922 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26283 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:29:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000708132534.00b8ac20@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 13:29:16 -0400 To: From: Mike T Subject: RE: Saturday ride? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to Danny for leading Frank and I on a 200 mile tour of 211 and assorted backwoods trails ending with an accident and ticket free high speed run back 55. A good time was had by all. BEAUTIFUL DAY! _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 13:59:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68Hwx828422 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-170.s170.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.170] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13AysS-0001iY-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:58:57 -0400 Message-ID: <028501bfe906$50246020$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000707223453.00cd9b50@mail.troutman.org> <4.2.0.58.20000708132534.00b8ac20@mail.troutman.org> Subject: Re: Saturday ride? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:59:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It was definitely my pleasure. What a great day for a ride, and we found some nice roads. To top it all off, I got to have a Dunkin Doughnut and Baskin Robbins Ice Cream! We don't have either in Warrenton. :(. I hope more of you got out and got to ride today, it was ideal. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike T To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Saturday ride? > Thanks to Danny for leading Frank and I on a 200 mile tour of 211 and > assorted backwoods trails ending with an accident and ticket free high > speed run back 55. A good time was had by all. BEAUTIFUL DAY! > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 18:07:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68M7t802411 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-57-172.s172.tnt2.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.57.172] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13B2lL-0005vR-00; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:07:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3967A5C1.25C8225A@erols.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 18:05:53 -0400 From: Tim Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Matteson CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Free Helmet References: <3963B519.CEC9DE65@erols.com> <006e01bfe798$02146700$d055f7a5@winnie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan: Thanks again for donating the helmet to the Rider Training Program. Enjoyed meeting you at NOVA today. If you're up for a ride to the racetrack next weekend, stop by and visit me and my fellow MSF instructor and race partner George Vensko up at Summit Point. Look for the Flamin' Duc Racing pit! Tim Morrow -- MSF #21769 CCS MidAtlantic Expert #19 http://www.FlaminDucRacing.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 19:22:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e68NMu803582 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-181.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.181]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16168 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:22:54 -0400 Posted-Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:22:54 -0400 Message-ID: <024701bfe932$fc548f60$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" References: <9cp6msggdirkopchtjsiejvje3vjqr01ag@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Metzeler ME 880 Recall Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 19:19:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This for Gold Wing, etc. type tires. From the Vulcan list (picking up strays). http://www.2wf.com/html/2000News/20000630MetzlerRecall.shtml Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 20:33:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e690Xc804635 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 28664 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2000 17:33:29 -0700 Received: from 1Cust223.tnt2.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.23.125.223) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 8 Jul 2000 17:33:29 -0700 X-Sent: 9 Jul 2000 00:33:29 GMT Message-ID: <003101bfe93e$57fff6a0$df7d173f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: girls' ride success Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 20:40:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just to let you all know. We had a great time! Six girls met and did a ride down 9, summit point road, looped around to 7, took snickersville tpk, stopped at great place for lunch, etc. It was a great group of girls (michelle kaston, lisa goddard, michele french, sally wood, tracy horstman, and myself) Jeannette, where were you???? :-) anyways...we figure next time we won't limit it to just the women. We had a great ride at a real relaxed pace on some great roads. So next time we will have to do a ride of those who just want to cruise around and have fun. Thanks to everyone who came out. It was great meeting you all! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 21:54:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e691s3805804 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.f3.a384d5 (3984) for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:53:41 EDT Subject: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Hey, question for the riders out there. Earlier I mentioned that the police may be thinking in terms of the partial pursuit; e.g. get close, snap a photo of the license plate and then make the apprehension later. Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning possible legislation in the fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles to be above and external to the rear fender for better visibility? Anyone have the details on that? Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 23:23:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e693NQ807114 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-132.patriot.net [209.249.180.132]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e693NMj08077; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:23:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3967EE94.52E40394@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:16:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the rear fender? Like who has their tag mounted inside the rear fender? Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Hey, question for the riders out there. > Earlier I mentioned that the police may be thinking in terms of the partial > pursuit; e.g. get close, snap a photo of the license plate and then make the > apprehension later. > > Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning possible legislation in the > fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles to be above and external to > the rear fender for better visibility? > > Anyone have the details on that? > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 8 23:33:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e693XZ807266 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27063 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:33:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000708232941.00b89b60@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:30:22 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist In-Reply-To: <3967EE94.52E40394@patriot.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I see it all the time. Crammed back under the rear. Typically on a R1 or similar rocket ;-) At 11:16 PM 7/8/2000 , Bill Huson wrote: >No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the rear fender? Like >who has >their tag mounted inside the rear fender? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 08:35:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e69CZA816551 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 08:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10783 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 12:35:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (24.15.187.164) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 12:35:50 -0000 Message-ID: <39687154.F729EB76@flashmail.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 08:34:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobacc CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Metzeler ME 880 Recall References: <9cp6msggdirkopchtjsiejvje3vjqr01ag@4ax.com> <024701bfe932$fc548f60$aea4fccd@micron> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mobacc wrote: > > This for Gold Wing, etc. type tires. From the Vulcan list (picking up > strays). > > http://www.2wf.com/html/2000News/20000630MetzlerRecall.shtml Gee, who rides a GW 60+ mph on hot pavement? Duh, nice thorough testing program there... Michelin recently recalled their GW-sized radial tires as well, seemed they couldn't handle towing a fully loaded trailer and the GW's weight at highway speeds very well. Good thing Dunlop has the K491 Elite II's. And even better, they fit on my Concours! :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 09:11:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web515.mail.yahoo.com (web515.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.230]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e69DB6816990 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000709131059.22589.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.211] by web515.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 06:10:59 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 06:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist To: Bill Huson , Gawthrop@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the > rear fender? Like who has > their tag mounted inside the rear fender? You've never seen this? This is pretty much standard equipment for the folks that get off on running from the police, and those that ever think they might have to (apparently a pretty big percentage). That and a toggle switch to kill the rear/all (?) lights whenever that's a necessity. > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning > > possible legislation in the > > fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles > > to be above and external to > > the rear fender for better visibility? > > > > Anyone have the details on that? > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > Maryland > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:17:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69EH0817986 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-170.s170.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.170] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BHtB-0005RK-00; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:16:58 -0400 Message-ID: <03a201bfe9b0$6291c720$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , , Subject: vfr400r Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:17:15 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Can anyone give me any information about this bike? The one I am looking at is a '91 and appears to be in great shape. What would be an appropriate price for such a bike, registered and legal in the states, with about 10,000 miles? Thanks! Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69EW4818207 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00860 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02626 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-22.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.22]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA24186 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Fastlanes HP Shootout Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:31:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Anyone going today? Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:34:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69EY2818217 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-170.s170.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.170] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BI9g-00072M-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <03cc01bfe9b2$c3916740$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: Subject: Re: Fastlanes HP Shootout Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:34:17 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I think I will swing by there toward the end, around 3:30 or 4:00. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Foreman To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Fastlanes HP Shootout > Anyone going today? > > > > > Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club > gary@XXXXXX > http://www.tl1000.com > _ > .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 10:39:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69Edr818306 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-100.patriot.net [209.249.180.100]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e69Edej11397; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39688D12.ECE91465@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:32:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gimer CC: Gawthrop@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist References: <20000709131059.22589.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Semantics, maybe. "inside" to me would be a tag mounted betwixt the rire and the fender, totally obscure. The standard tag fog I've seen is a dark tinted plate cover, illegal but rarely enforced. I will deny being a wild-child during my young years, but all my cars were equipped with a tailight/brakelight kill switch. All that planning didn't help - broad daylight when I recived a montser ticket which included failure to stop for an arresting officer and speeding to elude. Plan B - turn on my *charming* personality and wear my *most innocent* expression - yes, sports fans, I beat the ticket in court :-) Bill Tom Gimer wrote: > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the > > rear fender? Like who has > > their tag mounted inside the rear fender? > > You've never seen this? This is pretty much standard > equipment for the folks that get off on running from > the police, and those that ever think they might have > to (apparently a pretty big percentage). That and a > toggle switch to kill the rear/all (?) lights whenever > that's a necessity. > > > Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Did anyone catch the radio broadcast mentioning > > > possible legislation in the > > > fall requiring all license plates on motorcycles > > > to be above and external to > > > the rear fender for better visibility? > > > > > > Anyone have the details on that? > > > > > > Bill Gawthrop > > > Maryland > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 18:44:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69Mit825685 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e69MB4m02397 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.20.8626e7f (7776) for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.8626e7f.269a51a3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:07:31 EDT Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/8/00 23:24:54 Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > No details, but that seems silly. "External" to the rear fender? Like who > has their tag mounted inside the rear fender? Saw one today at Rick's HP shootout - a ZX-11 drag bike with the plate tucked in against (and molded to) the inside of the rear fender - you'd probably never see it with a rider onboard and the suspension compressed a bit Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 19:07:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e69N7H826135 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwegerich (ip29.leesburg4.va.pub-ip.psi.net [38.30.171.29]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06114; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 16:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank Wegerich" To: "Danny Thompson" , Cc: Subject: RE: Saturday ride? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: <028501bfe906$50246020$aa6aaccf@oemcomputer> Saturday was just perfect!!!! Thanks Mike for the idea to post the ride invite and for Danny to lead us through the great backroads of VA. Thanks again Frank BMW1100RT -----Original Message----- From: Danny Thompson [mailto:dthompso1@XXXXXX] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 14:00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride? It was definitely my pleasure. What a great day for a ride, and we found some nice roads. To top it all off, I got to have a Dunkin Doughnut and Baskin Robbins Ice Cream! We don't have either in Warrenton. :(. I hope more of you got out and got to ride today, it was ideal. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike T To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 1:29 PM Subject: RE: Saturday ride? > Thanks to Danny for leading Frank and I on a 200 mile tour of 211 and > assorted backwoods trails ending with an accident and ticket free high > speed run back 55. A good time was had by all. BEAUTIFUL DAY! > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 21:07:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A176828015 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id n.d0.84208e1 (9761); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:06:53 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:06:52 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday ride? To: dthompso1@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/8/2000 2:00:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dthompso1@XXXXXX writes: << I hope more of you got out and got to ride today, it was ideal. Danny >> Nope. Spent my b-day at Kings Dominion with a bunch of friends screaming my lungs out on the rides. =8-O The voice isn't doing to well today. ;-) Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 21:09:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A19t828025 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id p.db.695aee4 (9761); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 21:09:43 EDT Subject: Re: girls' ride success To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/8/2000 8:34:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << Just to let you all know. We had a great time! Six girls met and did a ride down 9, summit point road, looped around to 7, took snickersville tpk, stopped at great place for lunch, etc. It was a great group of girls (michelle kaston, lisa goddard, michele french, sally wood, tracy horstman, and myself) Jeannette, where were you???? :-) >> Glad to hear it. Michele, glad to see you've made it onto the list. I saw your initial intro but, was in GA and AOhelL wouldn't let me respond. Hope you had fun. Talk to you later. Scooter (2000 YZF-R6 R/W/B) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 9 22:25:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A2Pi829223 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29707 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:25:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000709222130.00b93320@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 22:25:35 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Fairfax to Durham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Looking for opinions on roads. Headed down to Durham, NC for a week. I'm sitting here staring at Streets 2000 and eyeing a couple of roads that just have to be good. 220 S/E out of Roanoke looks like it cuts through the mountains. So does 221, but takes me way out of the way. 58 looks a little too straight. Anyone have any 'must ride' roads down there? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 01:54:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6A5sm802573 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03422 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA13901 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-113.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.113]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA16098 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Fast Lane HP Shootout Photos Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:54:31 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Here are some photos if you are interested: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7115493 Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com _ .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 08:47:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AClG809823 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13BcxV-0004ux-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:46:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Insane bike pics (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720" Content-ID: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@XXXXXX for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=Windows-1252 Content-ID: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From Kai Tiffany in the USA: "You guys have GOT to visit the following web pages of a Japanese company that does custom Hondas; "V-PER" they call themselves (see links below). This company's stylists have really got it going on! Whew! On the other hand, their English stinks; the company's name, "V-PER", stands for "Vibrated Performance". Eh? On their used bike page, they have a customized 1997 Suzuki Volty 250 that they call a "SUPER DUNG". And what about their...1998 Monky Goose, 1997 Skid-Scud, 1993 Gray-Fellow, 1992 Killi-Fish. Who makes up names like these for motorcycles that they intend on selling to the public?! On the other hand, the bodywork they've made up is stunning... VTR250 VTR1000 Thought some of you might be interested in these insane machines. Also if any of you want a free motorcycle Ezine go to http://www.all-moto.com/news.htm BIKE PICS X-4 CB-1300 - "Deathstar Galactica" ? As if that wasn't enough, check out their clay prototype Valkyrie; you could have your very own Judge Dredd-mobile The sick, twisted mind that came up with this Valkyrie is a genius." http://www06.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/kg7/w_house/v_per.html Martin Freedom is a road seldom travelled by the multitude ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description:
 

  From Kai Tiffany in the USA:
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for "Vibrated Performance". Eh?=20

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFE8CD.1D91D720-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 10:09:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AE9X812409 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:09:25 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Glenn, > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > riding on borrowed > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > won't be out riding > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > the tire(s) replaced > and a tune-up. > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > ago. > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > still > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > it! > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 10:35:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AEZR812889 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.173]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25342; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396A0A8C.5AAE0797@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:40:28 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the problem! %^) Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > Glenn > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > Glenn, > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > riding on borrowed > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > won't be out riding > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > the tire(s) replaced > > and a tune-up. > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > ago. > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > still > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > it! > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 10:55:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AEtJ813345 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AEswj03203; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3969E21E.6E7ADA5A@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:47:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> <396A0A8C.5AAE0797@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) Chuck Pena wrote: > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > problem! %^) > > Chuck > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > Glenn, > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > riding on borrowed > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > won't be out riding > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > ago. > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > still > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > it! > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:04:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AF4h813497 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D7E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Bill Huson'" , Chuck Pena Cc: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Group Rides Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:56:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That wasn't me Bill.......although Chuck did ban me from group rides until I got new skins. I am happy to say my VFR has brand new D207s, which were scrubbed is this weekend. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > To: Chuck Pena > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > problem! %^) > > > > Chuck > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > won't be out riding > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > ago. > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > still > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > it! > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:16:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AFGa813765 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AFFqj06556; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:15:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3969E703.64C446@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:08:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: Chuck Pena , dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D7E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good on you! Altough it was kind of interesting to check out the design of the cord pattern on your old skins. Bill Mark Kitchell wrote: > That wasn't me Bill.......although Chuck did ban me from group rides until I > got new skins. I am happy to say my VFR has brand new D207s, which were > scrubbed is this weekend. > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > To: Chuck Pena > > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > > problem! %^) > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > > won't be out riding > > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > > ago. > > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > > still > > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > > it! > > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:20:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AFKC813867 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id LAA24031; Mon, 10 Jul 1972 11:22:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1972 11:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: vf-500 parts wanted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi...I still need a tank, ignition switch (other vf models work), rear turn signals (other vf ok) and probably some other stuff to be discovered. Anyone got these parts or a parts bike for sale? Thanks. --Garcia "We're lost, but we're making good time." From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AFL4813933 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-45.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.173]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29824 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396A1542.32D2A84@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:26:10 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Group Rides References: <20000710140925.19784.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> <396A0A8C.5AAE0797@ix.netcom.com> <3969E21E.6E7ADA5A@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Mark Kitchell did need new tires for his VFR. %^) But as he posted, he has since gotten a new set of 207s (street tires, not the GP DOT-legal race tires). But the rider I was thinking about was someone else (who I don't think is actually on the list) whom I've ridden with many times before. Bill Huson wrote: > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 11:23:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AFNM814037 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25835 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Group Rides In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062D7E@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Bill, that sounds like a really good idea for the cash strapped (I should be getting paid next week). But in the meantime, does any duct tape work, or do I need to use the (more expensive) kind with the woven threads as oppsed to the kind with just the vinyl? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > To: Chuck Pena > > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > > problem! %^) > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > > won't be out riding > > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > > ago. > > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > > still > > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > > it! > > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:14:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resi3.resiusa.org (resi3.resiusa.org [216.88.44.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGEn815051 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by resi3.resiusa.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3T9T0M70>; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:33 -0400 Message-ID: <83592CA59A97D31198DB00105AE56E604B9A33@resi3.resiusa.org> From: Genna Melamed To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: dirrections to Summit Point Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:14:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey everyone, I was wandering if anyone knows a nice, fun, mostly highway free directions from Baltimore area to Summit Point? I just don't really want to take I70 and 15 all the way there, too boring. I can look things up on Mapquest or Yahoo or Maps on Us, but I need ideas for what roads are actually good since none of those services can tell me that. Thanks Genna Melamed VTR1000 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:21:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGL4815227 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05707 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26108 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32015 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:20:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000710122018.00ce6d00@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:20:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: re: North Carolina Roads Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I totally fogot about the sportbike registry. Looks like my roads were already mapped out for me: http://www.execpc.com/~ytk/nc.htm ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:33:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGXS815442 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BgUn-0002zI-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:25 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Operation Rocket Round Up-New Twist Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:38:28 GMT Message-ID: <396b2471.36138137@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000709131059.22589.qmail@web515.mail.yahoo.com> <39688D12.ECE91465@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <39688D12.ECE91465@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6AGXX815443 On Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:32:51 -0400, you wrote: |>Semantics, maybe. "inside" to me would be a tag mounted betwixt the |>rire and the fender, totally obscure. The standard tag fog I've seen is |>a dark tinted plate cover, illegal but rarely enforced. That's exactly where they are mounted. Some people also put hte light above it, to technically be legal. Ok so who's gonna do the class 4 (or 6?) felony and run a line in to their exhaust pipe to dump oil to burn off and make a smoke screen? I hear castor oil works good You know, when a bike's tail light goes out, from the back, the headlight shining forward doesn't show up too well. I don't see a reason to kill it unless you're trying to hide from someone in front of you. Of course I would like a headlight kill switch.. batteries eventually get weaker, and it's nice to be able to turn the headlight off sometimes. I'd just like a illuminated rocker switch so I can be sure when it's off and on.. just as a reminder.. only switch I have is a manual, auxillary fan switch.. I guess it's time to go to radio shack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:53:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGrQ815768 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05895 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27088 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13Bgo3-0006fQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:53:19 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.28] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13Bgo2-0006Yz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:53:18 +0000 Message-ID: <006501bfea8f$94d0d480$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" References: Subject: And the winner is . . . Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Results are in from the Fast Lane Cycles Horsepower Shootout . . . So if you saw the following bikes lined up at a stop light which do you think would end up out front once the light changed to green . . .? Yamaha R1 Suzuki Bandit Suzuki Hayabusa Kawasaki ZX9R Honda CBR900 Well if horsepower is any indication it would be the Suzuki Bandit in front, with the R1 a few bike lengths behind and the rest far behind. If you took a look at the 1200cc Suzuki Bandit's naked motor you couldn't help but notice the Mr. Turbo kit giving it a whopping 213 rear wheel horsepower! In second would be the R1 with the not so obvious turbo hidden under its fairings giving it a huge 199 horsepower measured at the rear wheel. The Hayabusa would be third at 168hp, the ZX9R at 131hp and the CBR900 at 111hp. Official results will be posted on the Fast Lane Cycles web site later this week. http://www.fastlanecycles.com Dave Cross P.S. I didn't include lister Gary Foreman's 119hp TLR in the above example because no member of DC-Cycles would ever race on the street. ;-) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 12:54:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AGsr815781 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AGsbj22916; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3969FE28.E821FFEE@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:47:36 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Group Rides References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Methinks ol' fashioned electrical tape would be fine - woven and saturated with gummy stuff, probably dead dinasour goo. Worked great on ice hockey stick blades! I could put so much spin on the puck it would wrap itself up in the goal net. Traction rating A Bill Morris Berman wrote: > Hey Bill, that sounds like a really good idea for the cash strapped (I > should be getting paid next week). But in the meantime, does any duct > tape work, or do I need to use the (more expensive) kind with the woven > threads as oppsed to the kind with just the vinyl? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bill Huson [SMTP:bhuson@XXXXXX] > > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > > To: Chuck Pena > > > Cc: dysart@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > > Subject: Re: Group Rides > > > > > > Would taht be our esteemed leader of the DCMotoCrew? Methinks he finished > > > the ride from Carolina by wrapping duct tape around his tires :-) > > > > > > Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > > Well, at least I know one guy who fits the description is remedying the > > > > problem! %^) > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nope, different ride and rider Chuck. > > > > > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > > > --- Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > Glenn, > > > > > > > > > > > > If we're thinking about the same ride and rider... > > > > > > > > > > > > For the record, that rider (not me!) knows he was > > > > > > riding on borrowed > > > > > > time. I have talked with him and he promised me he > > > > > > won't be out riding > > > > > > his m/c (either alone or in a group) until he gets > > > > > > the tire(s) replaced > > > > > > and a tune-up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Collin, from what I've seen your tires look good > > > > > > > compared to one ride I showed up on not to long > > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > The rider had cords showing on his rear tire and > > > > > > still > > > > > > > rode a 200 mile day even after being told about > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > (and you know who you are!) Not very smart IMO... > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > -Mb > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX > '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. > > Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to > cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 13:18:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AHIH816229 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05999 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27743 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17451 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:25:51 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: And the winner is . . . Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <002b01bfea93$0fe32620$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <006501bfea8f$94d0d480$1cae46d1@bdanet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Thanks Dave!!! Of course I wouldn't race on the street! I'd like to mention the 1st place 123HP TL1000R owned by Jim Myer! (Love those V-Twins!) Remember, some photos are at: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7115493 P.S. The Blue 199HP R1 was owned by a police officer :-) Gary Foreman, TL Owners Club gary@XXXXXX http://www.tl1000.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Cross [mailto:dave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 12:55 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: And the winner is . . . > > > Results are in from the Fast Lane Cycles Horsepower Shootout . . . > > So if you saw the following bikes lined up at a stop light which do you > think would end up out front once the light changed to green . . .? > > Yamaha R1 > Suzuki Bandit > Suzuki Hayabusa > Kawasaki ZX9R > Honda CBR900 > > Well if horsepower is any indication it would be the Suzuki > Bandit in front, > with the R1 a few bike lengths behind and the rest far behind. > If you took > a look at the 1200cc Suzuki Bandit's naked motor you couldn't help but > notice the Mr. Turbo kit giving it a whopping 213 rear wheel > horsepower! In > second would be the R1 with the not so obvious turbo hidden under its > fairings giving it a huge 199 horsepower measured at the rear wheel. The > Hayabusa would be third at 168hp, the ZX9R at 131hp and the > CBR900 at 111hp. > > Official results will be posted on the Fast Lane Cycles web site > later this > week. http://www.fastlanecycles.com > > Dave Cross > > P.S. I didn't include lister Gary Foreman's 119hp TLR in the > above example > because no member of DC-Cycles would ever race on the street. ;-) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 13:53:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AHqw816796 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06136 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jxcarver@XXXXXX Received: from btcgw1.btcgateway.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [208.207.30.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28688 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philnotes4.household.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [192.168.144.10]) by btcgw1.btcgateway.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59482U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:42 -0400 Received: by philnotes4.household.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 86256918.00606734 ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:32:58 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HFN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86256918.006066D3.00@philnotes4.household.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:31:42 -0700 Subject: Laguna Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa" Content-Disposition: inline --0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Not to steal the show from Brian Roach, but I too, was at Laguna Seca. This is the first time I --0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ?ve been to the Superbike races, and all I can is WOW!! You really just don?t get the same effect by watching it on Speed vision. = The really cool thing about Laguna is that all that separates you from the = track is a Jersey wall and a 6 foot-ish wire fence. So you can SMELL the bikes = as they go past. (Can you tell I haven?t been to a race before? I now think I= ?m an addict) Noriuki (sp??) Haga was amazing, as anyone who saw it will say. I thin= k at this level of racing, you?re just splitting hairs as to whom will win. That= ?s probably the top thing I was thinking about the entire race. What gave= Haga the edge? According to the other riders, he was just doing some "wild" thi= ngs out there. The other riders weren?t that far behind, but as in most races,= a little is a LOT. I was standing at turn 3, and little by little, you could se= e him further the distance from second place. It was interesting to see how the bikes performed. It appeared that th= e bikes with FI, like the R7 and the Ducatis, had no audible popping as they ro= unded the track. The Kawasakis seemed not to fair so well. Garth Rothwell put on a very fun stunt show. Burn outs and more burnou= ts. Stoppies with 3 people, stoppies while he SAT on the handlebars, stoppi= es with his wife with in front of him facing him, riding on his back with his f= eet on the bars and twisting the throttle. His finale was a burnout until the= tire popped. FUN FUN FUN! Bikes, bikes, and more bikes. I have never been to any event where the= re have been so many sport bikes. I saw a few NSRs "legally" registered here i= n Kalifornia. After registering my VFR800, I can see why that would be. = I live along 17 Mile Drive and the bikes were going up and down the street the= entire three days. I was surprised at how many Ducks there were. Where they = are most of the time, I don?t know. They were marketing the living S*** out of = them at the track. With B&W pictures trying to convince you of the class, styl= e, and uniqueness that is Ducati. T shirts, and if you?re already an owner, an owner?s tent with a free m= assage. (Honda wasn?t offering that, I wonder why?? HA HA) I was disappointed = that they didn?t have any of the new MH900e s, but I saw more RC-51s than you cou= ld shake a stick at. (Some guy has had one in the San Francisco times for sale = for more than a month, he started at 15k and is now down to the high 13s, HA!!) All in all a very fun day. I?m sorry I missed you Brian, but I?ve only met you once that I recall,= and without one of your bikes, I couldn?t pick you out of a crowd of ten le= t alone 85,000. John Carver 98 VFR800 Now in CA = --0__=dGWMSqDgpv2UkFQ4qLqqtPb2WCFRglR71JyiGjpdNZBphyzvKviQSixa-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 14:02:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AI1w816973 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06191 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jxcarver@XXXXXX Received: from btcgw1.btcgateway.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [208.207.30.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28888 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philnotes4.household.com (btcgw1.btcgateway.com [192.168.144.10]) by btcgw1.btcgateway.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59482U100L100S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:01:46 -0400 Received: by philnotes4.household.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 86256918.0062AE3C ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:57:51 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HFN To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <86256918.0062ADE4.00@philnotes4.household.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:56:35 -0700 Subject: Avons Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Would someone please tell me the difference between Avon AV36/AV35 AV40/AV39? It's not clear from their advertisment in the latest Motorcyclist, so I thought I would ask the list. Thanks. John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 14:35:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AIZj817526 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06498 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00053 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va17-28.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.220]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06087; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396A42E0.487C17A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:40:48 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jxcarver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Avons References: <86256918.0062ADE4.00@philnotes4.household.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John, If I did the math right, I think the difference is -4! %^) Sorry, but I couldn't resist. One of them should be the Azaro Supersport, but I'm not familiar with the Avon nomenclature. And unfortunately, all my catalogs are at home. Chuck jxcarver@XXXXXX wrote: > > Would someone please tell me the difference between Avon AV36/AV35 AV40/AV39? > It's not clear from their advertisment in the latest Motorcyclist, so I thought > I would ask the list. > > Thanks. > > John > 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 15:24:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AJOD818550 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9926 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 19:24:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 19:24:47 -0000 Message-ID: <396A22B3.C5101C46@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:23:31 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Note from Tracy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just passing this along from the wife. Dale == Could you please pass this on to the list for me? Just wanted to thank Laura (for putting it together) and Michelle (for planning and leading) for a wonderful time on Saturday. It was really nice to have such a relaxing ride where I felt I was actually contributing to the conversation rather than just sitting around listening and not actually knowing what was being talked about. I was wondering how the actual meeting of each would go. You know how most other rides go - walking around looking at each other's bike and discussion on how they tinkered with this and that. It was a nice change to just talk about protective gear and such without going into technical detail about the mechanics of the each other's bike. Thanks for the ride - I would definitely like to go again. What impressed me the most was the way the "rules" of the ride were handled - first time for me. Sometimes these rules go unmentioned thinking everyone just automatically knows what's what. It was nice to know ahead of time who was going to be doing what and in what order we'd be riding and why. It was nice to go over the signals and such. I think too much has been taken for granted in past group rides I was a part of. I think these type of things can never be mentioned during a group ride too much. There are a lot of people who don't know how to ride in groups safely. Again, it was great meeting Sally, Michelle (Triump), Michelle (VStar), Laura and Lisa. Hope we can get together again sometime soon. Tracy Horstman UNIX System Admin '99 Kawasaki Concours - GPNEHI COG#3104A From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:00:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AK0h819253 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07020 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA02351 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000710200033.4284.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:00:33 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:00:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Airborne radar To: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I saw this on I-95 over the weekend. Even signs indicating speed enforcement from the air. Does this piss off anyone as much as it does me? Is this worth the money they are spending to perform said enforcement? Time to write some nasty letters I think. Glenn --- Troutman wrote: > I was looking back through old Times issues and > found this: > > http://www.washtimes.com/metro/default-2000630231751.htm > > VA can now catch speeding drivers from the air. I > wondered what the white > stripes on 66 were for. Surprised they had to pass > a law to make it > legal. I'll just slow down between the stripes ;-) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:01:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6AK1e819263 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7623 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 20:02:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 20:02:11 -0000 Message-ID: <396A2B79.9872DEB5@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:00:57 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: DC MotoTourist advice sought Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, need some suggestions. I've got a friend, George Garratt, flying in from London this weekend for the Concours Owner's Group National Rally. He's already got an '86 Connie lined up to ride, and wants to do the tourist thing down by the Mall (Air&Space, Capitol, White House, Monument, Big Abe, etc.). Now I was planning on taking a day off (Tuesday most likely) and showing him some local roads, (and possibly a guest appearance at BikeNight 3!!) but I don't have another day to burn to play tour-guide in DC. But I don't wanna just turn him loose in the big bad city, either. Anyway, I normally suggest to tourists to park and take the Metro in (Blue line specifically) but since he'll be on a bike (and it's cosmetically challenged enough to be more or less safe in the 'Hood) and comfortable with metro traffic issues, I was wondering how viable it would be to ride in and try to park somewhere around the Mall with a motorcycle on a Monday morning? Any moto-friendly parking garages/ spaces still available by late morning? Or am I totally dreaming? If not, I'll advise him to park it at Springfield and take the Metro Blue line in. Suggestions/Comments? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:23:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AKNV819631 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007102023.e6AKNV819631@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.f7.b87a03 (5714) for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:23:21 -0400 Date: Mon Jul 10 16:23:21 2000 From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: commuters? To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be around until the end of August. I've been commuting everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the road and was wondering how many people commute on their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some better routes to get from A to B (right now i take 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth a shot). tony 99 superhawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:41:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AKfD819916 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05699; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071016410270:4639 ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:41:02 -0400 Message-ID: <396A3558.EC84504A@mitretek.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:43:04 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: commuters? References: <200007102023.e6AKNV819631@dirty.meretrix.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/10/2000 04:41:05 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/10/2000 04:41:06 PM, Serialize complete at 07/10/2000 04:41:06 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Too bad you're not staying past August! I live in Arlington (about 3 miles from the pentagon), and my roommate is moving out in August to go to grad school at Clemson... I'm bummed to see him go and am looking for a new roommie (2 bed, 1 bath apt).... if you know of anyone else who's looking for a place, let me know, will ya? Thanks. Traffic does pretty much blow, but I've found that the traffic patterns are pretty predictable as far as good/bad times and routes. I know of a few people who commute on their bikes daily, and I usually just do it on Fridays (that whole jeans vs. dress thing). Also, you might want to try taking Clara Barton Pkwy instead of GW Pkwy... I'd have to look at a map to remind myself how to do it, but you can take the Pkwy to MacArthur Blvd, to Reservoir Rd (I think???) into G'town, and then take the Key Bridge across to VA, or the Whitehurst Freeway further along the river.... don't know if I helped you any, or made things more confusing. :-) -Kristina '98 Nighthawk 750 Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be around until the end of August. I've been commuting everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the road and was wondering how many people commute on their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some better routes to get from A to B (right now i take 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 16:44:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6AKiv820032 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-116.patriot.net [209.249.180.116]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6AKikj26119; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:44:46 -0400 Message-ID: <396A3420.41DD87C7@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:37:52 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: commuters? References: <200007102023.e6AKNV819631@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I commute via scoot weather permitting. Don't do rain. You think our drivers blow goats now, wait until you see them drive (aim?) in rain. I rate rainfalls 1 thru 6, the number relating to the number of cage crashes per mile. Bill `93 FLHS - 1st place, annual Carolina grubby bike contest `89 4WD Dakota - nasty weather road warrior Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be around until the end of August. I've been commuting everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the road and was wondering how many people commute on their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some better routes to get from A to B (right now i take 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 17:13:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ALD1820563 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id RAA19427 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000710171850.007a01d0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:18:50 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Mark Kitchell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Holler at me off list if you are still seeking tire help for your VFR. Lisa From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 17:14:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6ALEj820573 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000710211436.17651.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:14:36 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: commuters? To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i commute everyday from falls church to pentagon on my motorcycle via I-66 which happens to be HOV.... so not much traffic for me. --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be > around until the end of August. I've been commuting > everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon > and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston > traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to > this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the > road and was wondering how many people commute on > their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some > better routes to get from A to B (right now i take > 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where > i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the > rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth > a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 21:09:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B198824614 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3959 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Jul 2000 01:08:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000711010854.3958.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.208.166.15] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:08:54 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: commuters? To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I live in Dale City, VA and work downtown. I've taken a car to work a few times, the most recent was in 1998. Bethesda to Pentagon would be fun, that goes right through DC, there are no rules there, lane splitting is mostly tolerated. Try Wisconsin Ave to Key Bridge via M Street to GW Parkway, or Wisconsin to Nebraska to Foxhall to the Key Bridge to GW Parkway. If you really want to take the big roads, stay on 495 all the way to I-66, HOV is better than the GW Parkway. Leon. --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > hi all, i'm new to the list and the city and I'll be > around until the end of August. I've been commuting > everyday on my bike, from Bethesda to the Pentagon > and I must say, TRAFFIC SUCKS! i though Boston > traffic was a pain, but it was nothing compared to > this. I dont see many bikes when I'm out on the > road and was wondering how many people commute on > their bikes down here, or if they perhaps know some > better routes to get from A to B (right now i take > 495 to GW parkway). Also if any listers know where > i can find a studio or one-bedroom apartment for the > rest of the summer i'd appreciate it (hey its worth > a shot). > tony > 99 superhawk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 21:23:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B1Nb824927 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-247-184.s184.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.184] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13Bolf-0001dw-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:23:23 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Introduction of Sorts: Kristina Rogish Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:15:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfead5$7a4f1540$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 rom: "Michiko Oishi" There are only few of us... ;) Michiko ------------------------------------------------------ Hi Michiko! Didn't know you were still out here lurking about. Hope you and Todd are getting some good riding in this summer. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 21:33:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B1XV825109 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-247-184.s184.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.247.184] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BovR-0003Ic-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:33:30 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Operation rocket roundup Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:25:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bfead6$e381d1a0$83d47ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:14:33 -0700 From: Dale Horstman Mike T wrote: > > I thought it was funny that they show a new VFR and talk about it doing speeds in > excess of 180 MPH! Heh. Gee, I sure hope they can distinguish the differences between a GSXR or a CBR and say, a Concours. :( 106 mph in a 55 zone might be a tad bit excessive, but when prevailing traffic often hits or exceeds 80mph on the beltway, it'd be really easy to get caught up in this crap. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth --------------------------------------------------------- Yeah Dale, I was thinking the same thing yesterday riding up the Eastern Shore and hitting MD. I was definitely watching overhead while in Anne Arundal and then on the Beltway. Traffic was easily moving on avg. 80mph. I mean in posted 45mph zones people were cruising on by at around 65mph (seemed that way from my conservative 10mph over in said zones). I don't think I like the whole discriminating attitude the MD police have taken. Has anyone here alerted the AMA about all this? Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 22:13:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3205.mail.yahoo.com (web3205.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.202]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B2D4825742 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711021257.4250.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [204.188.47.53] by web3205.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:12:57 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: JEM Racing Subject: For Sale 99 Ford F250 SD. Excellent Tow Vehicle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The carnage continues: I am sorry to announce that I am selling my 1999 Ford Superduty Supercab 4x4 V10 XLT. Its a helluva truck. XLT package and all the niceties that entails plus: Bed Liner Sliding Rear Window Privacy Glass Roof Clearance Lights CD Player, Premium Sound Package Towing Package w/7 pin harness, 2"ball Limited Slip 3.73 Its pretty much decked, hauls ass, and has big big balls. It has 53k and will easily go another 200. All fluids meticulously maintained, exceeding manufacuters suggestions. Priced fair at $23,000. ===== Jonathan Broga JEM Racing CCS #502 Sponsored By: http://www.centurypool.com http://www.speed-werks.com http://www.elfmoto.com http://www.loudounmotorsports.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 23:09:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aba.com (mail.aba.com [198.242.42.47]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B39p826645 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ABAOF40-Message_Server by aba.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:17 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:09:04 -0400 From: "Robert Beatty" To: Subject: Protest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6B39v826646 Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket bikes article and the police targeting them? I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. That is the speed limit isn't it????? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 23:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B3Df826724 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18599; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Robert Beatty cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds of bikers pulling wheelies from Wash to Balt and Wash to Frederick! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Robert Beatty wrote: > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket bikes article and the police targeting them? > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. That is the speed limit isn't it????? > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 10 23:22:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5201.mail.yahoo.com (web5201.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.95]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6B3M0826882 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711032152.28933.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.21] by web5201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:21:52 PDT Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Motorcycle Parking Denial To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey All- I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. I was in Dewey Beach, DE and stopped by the Starboard Restaurant to visit with some friends before putting the bike away for the evening. The bouncers came out and told my buddies and I that they didn't allow motorcycles to park in the parking lot (even though there were 4 spaces available) "but we could park across the street." There is even a sign that says "No Motorcycles Allowed." Now...I've known Starboard to have the "No Motorcycle" policy for years..but the ownership/management has since changed hands and I thought it might be time find out the NEW Management's policy. The only reason cited by the bouncer was that there are "a lot of drunk drivers pulling in and out of the parking lot and they don't want to be held responsible for anything that happens to the bikes..." Uh...if that was the concern why have a parking lot at all? Are the other vehicles parked there magically spared from being hit? Maybe some of you don't feel strongly about this but I'll tell you it's a pretty humbling experience to have the bouncer staff stand over you while you're pulling your bike back out of your parking space and being escorted off the lot. I would appreciate any information on legal/legislative activity that might correct this discriminatory practice. -Corbett '99 BMW K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 00:38:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6B4ca828024 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gennapc2000 ([24.23.39.3]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000711043833.LVQF26205.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@gennapc2000> for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:38:33 -0700 Message-ID: <012f01bfeaf1$df270ec0$0300a8c0@gennapc2000> From: "Genna Melamed" To: Subject: Fw: Protest Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:38:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Beatty" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > Subject: Protest > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 07:00:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BB0K805006 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA343837 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396AFE3C.B8DBAF84@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:00:12 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial References: <20000711032152.28933.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett B wrote: > > Hey All- > > I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the > practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. If it's on Private Property, your crusade will be Quixotic at best. > I was in Dewey Beach, DE Delaware. 'nuff said. The Good ol' boy network is alive & well in America, flourishing in Delaware. and stopped by the Starboard > Restaurant to visit with some friends before putting > the bike away for the evening. The bouncers came out > and told my buddies and I that they didn't allow > motorcycles to park in the parking lot (even though > there were 4 spaces available) "but we could park > across the street." There is even a sign that says > "No Motorcycles Allowed." > > Now...I've known Starboard to have the "No Motorcycle" > policy for years..but the ownership/management has > since changed hands and I thought it might be time > find out the NEW Management's policy. Write them a letter, & ask. Express your repeated patronage, blah blah, blah & see what they say. > > The only reason cited by the bouncer was that there > are "a lot of drunk drivers pulling in and out of the > parking lot and they don't want to be held responsible > for anything that happens to the bikes..." Uh...if > that was the concern why have a parking lot at all? never been there, so I'm not sure what the clientele is. If it's a hillbilly bar, dents give pickups character. If it's a yuppie bar, Lexus drivers all have full coverage, zero deductible insurance. Maybe some idiot dropped a whole row of Harleys & got 'is arse whupped a few years back, who knows. > Are the other vehicles parked there magically spared > from being hit? A stumbling drunk will bounce off your cage, but could knock your precious 2 wheeler on it's side, causing hundreds in damage in some cases... > > Maybe some of you don't feel strongly about this but > I'll tell you it's a pretty humbling experience to > have the bouncer staff stand over you while you're > pulling your bike back out of your parking space and > being escorted off the lot. Take your business elsewhere. > > I would appreciate any information on > legal/legislative activity that might correct this > discriminatory practice. The AMA would know some good suggestions if you want to pursue this. HTH -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 07:37:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmimailg ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BBbU805749 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmimailg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3VAF63AG>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:37:20 -0400 Message-ID: <896B308E481BC245A6A2F26D7074D6DD808C@lmimailg.lmimailg> From: Brian Roberson To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:37:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Been lurking on the list, HI everyone! I was talking to a friend of mine who rides a Kaw ZX9R.. Obviously one of the infamous "Rocket Bikes" .. He told me that about 75 riders over the past week made a trip up to Philadelphia.. All 75 riders spread out over I95 and did 55mph all the way up.. Apparently a few were pulled over and cited with going under the speed limit.. What a joke. I guess they asked for it! Anyone here involved?? (sign me up for the next ride!) Brian 81 Honda CB 750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:19:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (MH1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCJo806902 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:17:33 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:19:17 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:19:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) If that really happened to some of the guys on the way to Philly it sucks, but I was on I95 this weekend and witnessed many of the riders on the way to Philly and that's not what I saw. I'll admit that I may have seen a couple of bikes at or below the speed limit, but the majority of the riders I saw were in groups of 10-15, there was even one group of 32 (my daughter counted and thought it was pretty cool) who were doing 85-90 weaving in and out of traffic the entire time. The worst part was that there was absolutely no method to their madness of riding. They would zoom up to a group of cars and then they would just split up and some would go left, some would go right and others would just go between the cars, it was total chaos. From what I saw any of these guys who got tickets deserved them. I was really shocked to not see a bike down on the road somewhere. I even saw a couple of packs (10-15 riders) that were pulled over by the cops and then 10-15 minutes later the same bikes came blasting by weaving in and out of the cars again. The best part of these riders being on the road is that since the cops were so busy pulling them over, I was able to cut about 45 minutes off my normal trip to NJ. I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out of traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of traffic should be busted as well. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roberson [SMTP:BRoberson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:37 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: In response to Protest thread > > Been lurking on the list, HI everyone! > > I was talking to a friend of mine who rides a Kaw ZX9R.. Obviously one of > the infamous "Rocket Bikes" .. He told me that about 75 riders over the > past > week made a trip up to Philadelphia.. All 75 riders spread out over I95 > and > did 55mph all the way up.. Apparently a few were pulled over and cited > with > going under the speed limit.. What a joke. I guess they asked for it! > Anyone here involved?? > > (sign me up for the next ride!) > > Brian > 81 Honda CB 750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:27:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BCRP807066 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711122717.2523.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:27:17 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I say set it up. I'll join in! Glenn > > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the > way around.... > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in > response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I > can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 > or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:29:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCT1807077 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA352829 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:28:52 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Burger, Donald" wrote: ... > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out of > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > traffic should be busted as well. maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane discipline were enforced... -- Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:35:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lmimailg.lmimailg ([198.3.128.185]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCZC807238 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmimailg.lmimailg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3VAF63A2>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <896B308E481BC245A6A2F26D7074D6DD808D@lmimailg.lmimailg> From: Brian Roberson To: "'\"Burger Donald\" at INTERNET'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:35:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree... These guys do give most riders a bad name... >From what I gather most of these guys would run from the cops given a chance.. Im sure there was a lot of squidness going around. Brian -----Original Message----- From: "Burger Donald" at INTERNET Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:19 AM To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" at INTERNET Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread If that really happened to some of the guys on the way to Philly it sucks, but I was on I95 this weekend and witnessed many of the riders on the way to Philly and that's not what I saw. I'll admit that I may have seen a couple of bikes at or below the speed limit, but the majority of the riders I saw were in groups of 10-15, there was even one group of 32 (my daughter counted and thought it was pretty cool) who were doing 85-90 weaving in and out of traffic the entire time. The worst part was that there was absolutely no method to their madness of riding. They would zoom up to a group of cars and then they would just split up and some would go left, some would go right and others would just go between the cars, it was total chaos. From what I saw any of these guys who got tickets deserved them. I was really shocked to not see a bike down on the road somewhere. I even saw a couple of packs (10-15 riders) that were pulled over by the cops and then 10-15 minutes later the same bikes came blasting by weaving in and out of the cars again. The best part of these riders being on the road is that since the cops were so busy pulling them over, I was able to cut about 45 minutes off my normal trip to NJ. I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out of traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of traffic should be busted as well. Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Roberson [SMTP:BRoberson@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:37 AM > To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: In response to Protest thread > > Been lurking on the list, HI everyone! > > I was talking to a friend of mine who rides a Kaw ZX9R.. Obviously one of > the infamous "Rocket Bikes" .. He told me that about 75 riders over the > past > week made a trip up to Philadelphia.. All 75 riders spread out over I95 > and > did 55mph all the way up.. Apparently a few were pulled over and cited > with > going under the speed limit.. What a joke. I guess they asked for it! > Anyone here involved?? > > (sign me up for the next ride!) > > Brian > 81 Honda CB 750F From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:40:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BCem807269 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711124041.9588.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:40:41 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 05:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dave Yates Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the signs that say "slower traffic keep right". I'd say its my biggest pet peeve. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of > traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:47:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mh1.dot.gov (MH1.dot.gov [152.119.25.210]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BClm807558 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov by mh1.dot.gov with ESMTP for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:44:45 -0400 Received: by rspa-exchange.rspa.dot.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:46:29 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Burger, Donald" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:46:21 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be an excellent idea, unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that up in NJ a couple of years ago and it was wonderful. It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I got a ticket, I was in the left lane and I was going the speed limit." Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:29 AM > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > ... > > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out > of > > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > > traffic should be busted as well. > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... > > > -- > > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 08:56:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BCuM807665 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13BzZP-0006Vv-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:55:27 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05DXA; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:48:11 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Burger, Donald" , Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:57:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Are you sure it is actually a law in VA? Everyone seems to drive every which way in whatever lane they chose. I hate it. -----Original Message----- From: Burger, Donald [mailto:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 7:46 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be an excellent idea, unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that up in NJ a couple of years ago and it was wonderful. It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I got a ticket, I was in the left lane and I was going the speed limit." Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:29 AM > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > ... > > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out > of > > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > > traffic should be busted as well. > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... > > > -- > > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:01:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BD1S807825 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA347713 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B1AA1.D4D63126@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:01:21 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711124041.9588.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing > up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as > traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the > signs that say "slower traffic keep right". pretty tired... > I'd say its my biggest pet peeve. Nah, much as they irritate me, I'd say 1: Cell phone yakkers / drivers. 2: Left lane Hogs. 3: the idiots that won't let the PG county cops over into the left lane of the beltway so they can be on their way. Instead, they just park it there until they get tired of the cop tailgating them... 4: Open Pipe bikes of ALL makes. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:07:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BD79807909 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:06:25 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:06:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Burger, Donald" wrote: > Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be > an excellent idea, > unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that > up in NJ a couple of > years ago and it was wonderful. > > It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I > got a ticket, I was in > the left lane and I was going the speed limit." > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the left lanes!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BDES808029 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA01477; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:12:41 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029616; Tue, 11 Jul 00 09:11:14 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ00IAGBE3BC@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00486E7F ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:11:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:10:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial To: Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <85256919.004865C0.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I had the same thing happen a year or so ago. The story I got was that they had trouble a few years back with outlaw gangs, and now have a no motorcycles policy. They actually were very nice about it, and the bouncer led me to a spot on the side of the building, the no bikes policy just pertained to out front. Didn't make sense to me, but it is private property. If they want to loose the business that M/Cs can bring, that is their perogative. --chris Dave Yates on 07/11/2000 07:00:12 AM To: cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial Corbett B wrote: > > Hey All- > > I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the > practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. If it's on Private Property, your crusade will be Quixotic at best. > I was in Dewey Beach, DE Delaware. 'nuff said. The Good ol' boy network is alive & well in America, flourishing in Delaware. and stopped by the Starboard > Restaurant to visit with some friends before putting > the bike away for the evening. The bouncers came out > and told my buddies and I that they didn't allow > motorcycles to park in the parking lot (even though > there were 4 spaces available) "but we could park > across the street." There is even a sign that says > "No Motorcycles Allowed." > > Now...I've known Starboard to have the "No Motorcycle" > policy for years..but the ownership/management has > since changed hands and I thought it might be time > find out the NEW Management's policy. Write them a letter, & ask. Express your repeated patronage, blah blah, blah & see what they say. > > The only reason cited by the bouncer was that there > are "a lot of drunk drivers pulling in and out of the > parking lot and they don't want to be held responsible > for anything that happens to the bikes..." Uh...if > that was the concern why have a parking lot at all? never been there, so I'm not sure what the clientele is. If it's a hillbilly bar, dents give pickups character. If it's a yuppie bar, Lexus drivers all have full coverage, zero deductible insurance. Maybe some idiot dropped a whole row of Harleys & got 'is arse whupped a few years back, who knows. > Are the other vehicles parked there magically spared > from being hit? A stumbling drunk will bounce off your cage, but could knock your precious 2 wheeler on it's side, causing hundreds in damage in some cases... > > Maybe some of you don't feel strongly about this but > I'll tell you it's a pretty humbling experience to > have the bouncer staff stand over you while you're > pulling your bike back out of your parking space and > being escorted off the lot. Take your business elsewhere. > > I would appreciate any information on > legal/legislative activity that might correct this > discriminatory practice. The AMA would know some good suggestions if you want to pursue this. HTH -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:15:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDEw808047 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA21944; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:12:23 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000711091411.0074c8a0@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:14:11 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <396AFE3C.B8DBAF84@radix.net> References: <20000711032152.28933.qmail@web5201.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:00 AM 7/11/00 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >Corbett B wrote: >> >> Hey All- >> >> I'm fishing for legal/legislative info regarding the >> practice of denying parking spaces to motorcyclists. The AMA has taken on a lot of "no motorcycle" policies over the years. Check out their web site and see if they have any info. Better yet, join the AMA and ask them for suggestions. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:20:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BDKT808209 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA10773; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:20:02 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008407; Tue, 11 Jul 00 09:17:58 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ00J2SBPFWM@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00490E27 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:17:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:17:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Fw: Protest To: Genna Melamed Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.00490B84.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Or you could just do it on the MD side, where the "crackdown" is occuring. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Fw: Protest Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:28:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDSb808315 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28161; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B2138.5B3A3876@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:29:28 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Genna Melamed , Balt-Cycles-l CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest References: <012f01bfeaf1$df270ec0$0300a8c0@gennapc2000> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Genna, I think that since it Maryland State Police pulling this atrocity, with their Operation Rocket Roundup, we should protest by blocking 695. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:47:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BDlt808654 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16688 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 13:48:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 13:48:12 -0000 Message-ID: <396B2566.C7E79F6D@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:47:18 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: Robert Beatty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Morris Berman wrote: > > I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds of bikers pulling wheelies > from Wash to Balt and Wash to Frederick! :-) Morris, I guess I need more practice. I don't think I can hold a wheelie that long on the Connie. :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:52:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resi3.resiusa.org (resi3.resiusa.org [216.88.44.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDqQ808761 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by resi3.resiusa.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3WASK1TZ>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:22 -0400 Message-ID: <83592CA59A97D31198DB00105AE56E604B9A38@resi3.resiusa.org> From: Genna Melamed To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:52:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah, but it's not done on 695, it's mostly done on 95 and 270 and rt50. The reason I think 495 is better then either is because it carries a lot more local traffic. Best thing IMHO is to go from GW Pkwy interchange to like RT50 interchange at 55mph (or about 50...this is still LEGAL in MD) with 10-15 bikes and maybe a car with a banner or something to let everyone see why we are doing that. And while I would love to do this in rush hour, I think it's better not, since this would be too annoying for everyone not involved and can backfire. Sometime during the day would be cool. I'd even inform news and police about it. So they know!!!. The only requirement would be an ABSOLUTELY legal motorcycles with licenses, blinkers, plates etc... ******************************************* Genna Melamed gmelamed@XXXXXX (410) 830-6279 Web Developer InfoPro, Silver Spring, MD RESI, Towson, MD ******************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:29 AM To: Genna Melamed; Balt-Cycles-l Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Genna, I think that since it Maryland State Police pulling this atrocity, with their Operation Rocket Roundup, we should protest by blocking 695. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:55:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from resi3.resiusa.org (resi3.resiusa.org [216.88.44.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDtj808792 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by resi3.resiusa.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3WASK1T5>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:55:38 -0400 Message-ID: <83592CA59A97D31198DB00105AE56E604B9A39@resi3.resiusa.org> From: Genna Melamed To: Genna Melamed , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:55:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh, just a thought, 10-15 bikes would be enough to block 4 lanes, but the more the better, something like 50 would provide much more visibility in the media ******************************************* Genna Melamed gmelamed@XXXXXX (410) 830-6279 Web Developer InfoPro, Silver Spring, MD RESI, Towson, MD ******************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Genna Melamed Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:52 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Yeah, but it's not done on 695, it's mostly done on 95 and 270 and rt50. The reason I think 495 is better then either is because it carries a lot more local traffic. Best thing IMHO is to go from GW Pkwy interchange to like RT50 interchange at 55mph (or about 50...this is still LEGAL in MD) with 10-15 bikes and maybe a car with a banner or something to let everyone see why we are doing that. And while I would love to do this in rush hour, I think it's better not, since this would be too annoying for everyone not involved and can backfire. Sometime during the day would be cool. I'd even inform news and police about it. So they know!!!. The only requirement would be an ABSOLUTELY legal motorcycles with licenses, blinkers, plates etc... ******************************************* Genna Melamed gmelamed@XXXXXX (410) 830-6279 Web Developer InfoPro, Silver Spring, MD RESI, Towson, MD ******************************************* -----Original Message----- From: Steven C. Di Pietro [mailto:stevied@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 9:29 AM To: Genna Melamed; Balt-Cycles-l Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Genna, I think that since it Maryland State Police pulling this atrocity, with their Operation Rocket Roundup, we should protest by blocking 695. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org Genna Melamed wrote: > Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Beatty" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > > Subject: Protest > > > > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds > of > > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 09:56:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BDuP808804 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23632; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:56:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Dale Horstman cc: Robert Beatty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest In-Reply-To: <396B2566.C7E79F6D@flashmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dale, Of course you can, just bungee net a few bags of concrete onto your top rack and then you'll be all set. Just be sure that you wrap in duct tape so that you don't wear out your tread with all the extra weight! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Dale Horstman wrote: > Morris Berman wrote: > > > > I was thinking more along the lines of hundreds of bikers pulling wheelies > > from Wash to Balt and Wash to Frederick! :-) > > Morris, > > I guess I need more practice. I don't think I can hold a wheelie > that long on the Connie. :) > > Hork > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 10:03:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BE3D808984 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007111403.e6BE3D808984@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id n.79.6a3c2ab (5710); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web43.aolmail.aol.com (web43.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.4]) by air-id04.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:02:51 -0400 Date: Tue Jul 11 10:02:51 2000 From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest To: Cc: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like the start of something. You guys volunteering to organize this? Scooter In a message dated Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:40:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, "Genna Melamed" writes: << Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Beatty" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:09 PM > Subject: Protest > > > Does anyone know of any protests being formed in response to the rocket > bikes article and the police targeting them? > > I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of > bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. > That is the speed limit isn't it????? > > > >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 10:22:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3105.mail.yahoo.com (web3105.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BEM1809349 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711142135.26434.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:21:35 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Denial To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I would appreciate any information on > > legal/legislative activity that might correct this > > discriminatory practice. I don't get how it can be legal for anyone to ask someone to remove a bike or anything for that matter from a buisness. yes it might be on privet property, but you are still required to have handicap spaces. I don't see how they can say anything to you unless you where doing something wrong or disturbing other people as it is open to the public. just my two and a half cents. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 10:30:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BEUY809522 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNTNH>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:29:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Burger, Donald [mailto:Donald.Burger@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:46 AM To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be an excellent idea, unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that up in NJ a couple of years ago and it was wonderful. It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I got a ticket, I was in the left lane and I was going the speed limit." Don B > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Yates [SMTP:sdave@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 8:29 AM > Cc: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > ... > > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the weaving in and out > of > > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket bike" riders a bad > > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that weave in and out of > > traffic should be busted as well. > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... > > > -- > > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:05:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-2.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BF5P810082 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr2.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.11]) id QQixjw06772 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:05:23 GMT Received: from usashexims02.corp.us.uu.net by ashimr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.204.193]) id QQixjw13987 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:13 GMT Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3RX9TNRW>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:03:12 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: "Girls" ride... Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:03:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Laura, Lisa, Michele, Michelle, Tracy: It was great meeting and riding with you all on Saturday! Thanks for all your input and guidance and for being patient with may stall (why yes, Sally...there's really something to starting out in first gear!!). ;) Appreciate the emphasis on safety and organization. You all are top notch!! Sally '98 GS500E From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:15:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFEw810192 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22849 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 15:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 15:15:13 -0000 Message-ID: <396B39C9.66D238E2@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:14:17 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > discipline were enforced... Tracy and I were in the cage (yuck!) the other night, and talking about this very thing. I said the cops needed to enforce the "Keep Right except to Pass" laws on the books - Tracy told me there was no such law. Just then, I pointed out to her a "Slower Traffic Keep Right" traffic sign on I-95. She was genuinely surprised. It just doesn't register to people anymore. The NRA may be right. If we'd enforce existing laws instead of always writing up new ones, life would be much better. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:19:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFJ5810271 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26931 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 15:19:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 15:19:23 -0000 Message-ID: <396B3AC4.D5310576@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:18:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Dave Yates , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711124041.9588.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing > up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as > traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the > signs that say "slower traffic keep right". I'd say > its my biggest pet peeve. Yep, it's one of mine, too. I'd really like to see cops enforcing laws against tailgating, excessive lane changing, not signalling lane changes, and left-lane hogging rather than concentrating almost entirely on outright speed. They could still keep their revenue from ticket writing up, and really do wonders to the flow of traffic. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:37:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFbS810653 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10653 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 15:37:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 15:37:44 -0000 Message-ID: <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:36:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > left lanes!! And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding road designers around here for years... If only I were in charge.... Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:40:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFeB810671 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13C28i-0006iX-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:40:05 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:45:19 GMT Message-ID: <396b69ca.119439641@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BFeC810672 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:57:02 -0500, you wrote: |>Are you sure it is actually a law in VA? Everyone seems to drive every which |>way in whatever lane they chose. I hate it. and when cars do the lane veering, is when two cars collide and someone gets killed tying up the beltway.. like that 19 or 20 year old programmer/ college student who killed someone last week. witnesses reported him speeding and going in and out of lanes, but his father was on tv saying "my son doesn't feel like his driving was negliable.. and he's in his room devistated that someone died". I guess it was just a conspiracy by witnesses who were there yet never met before and dont know each other or the drivers involved. Those are the sneaky conspiracy groups that you have to watch out for. I can't wait for the future when motorcycles can be equipped with cameras, witness & record crazy driving, and bike owners can turn the tape over to the cops for ticket enforcement. I'm living about 2000 years ahead of when i'd like to be living. I need to be living in a world where robots do all the work and people ride all day on perfect roads! hehe From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:42:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFgF810745 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13C2An-00076T-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:42:13 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Matthew Ehlert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:47:28 GMT Message-ID: <396c6b5c.119842526@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BFgG810746 On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 06:06:25 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>--- "Burger, Donald" |>wrote: |>> Enforcing a "Stay right unless passing law" would be |>> an excellent idea, |>> unfortunately its not the law in MD. They did that |>> up in NJ a couple of |>> years ago and it was wonderful. |>> |>> It was funny to hear people say: "I can't believe I |>> got a ticket, I was in |>> the left lane and I was going the speed limit." |>> |> |>It doesn't help that in northern virginia the |>brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the |>left lanes!! same thing for 295, and also on 495 heading into montgomery county there is a left lane merge area. also those sharp turn U shaped exit ramps weren't too smart either.. they are fun as hell on a bike.. but when ti's wet.. cars and more cars go off the road. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:46:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFkH810842 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-11.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.203]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02004 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B6CB2.A4C0AC2C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:51:30 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: "Girls" ride... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds like the rest of us could learn a thing or two from the girlz! %^) Chuck, aka Skittles "Wood, Sally" wrote: > > Laura, Lisa, Michele, Michelle, Tracy: > > It was great meeting and riding with you all on Saturday! Thanks for all > your input and guidance and for being patient with may stall (why yes, > Sally...there's really something to starting out in first gear!!). ;) > Appreciate the emphasis on safety and organization. You all are top notch!! > > Sally > '98 GS500E From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:54:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFs5810961 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09660; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071111534407:9951 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:53:44 -0400 Message-ID: <396B4375.BB050E60@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:55:34 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Dave Yates , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Move it right References: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> <396B39C9.66D238E2@flashmail.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:53:45 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:53:46 AM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 11:53:46 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a suggestion than a law. You'll notice only certain stretches of I-95 have the signs for trucks to stay in the right lanes only. It's kinda like lowering the speed limits within the high density/urban areas. There's (unfortunately) no actual law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, they put it there to remind the blue-hairs (and stupid people) to move it right... But I do agree that it SHOULD be a law. I wonder how NJ's law came into effect? -Kristina '98 Nighthawk 750 Dale Horstman wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > > discipline were enforced... > > Tracy and I were in the cage (yuck!) the other night, and talking about > this very thing. I said the cops needed to enforce the "Keep Right except > to Pass" laws on the books - Tracy told me there was no such law. Just > then, I pointed out to her a "Slower Traffic Keep Right" traffic sign > on I-95. She was genuinely surprised. It just doesn't register to > people anymore. > > The NRA may be right. If we'd enforce existing laws instead of always > writing up new ones, life would be much better. > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BFuZ810982 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA20927; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:55:58 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016254; Tue, 11 Jul 00 11:52:30 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ00415IV1GO@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00573488 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:52:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:48:40 -0400 Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.0056EDCC.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL But they don't have radar/lasar guns that track illegal lane changes. Technology has made catching (and proving) speeding a virtual slam dunk for police. Many people have unfortunately accepted speeding tickets as the norm and no longer fight them in court. But hand someone an illegal lane change ticket and they would most likely show up to fight it. I agree with you that it would be much better if the enforcement turned away from speeding to "dangerous" types of driving, but I don't think the police will go for it given the ease at which they can pass out speeding tickets. All we are going to end up with is the occasional Operation Roadshark or Rocket Roundup that is as much for publicity as anything else. --chris To: dysart@XXXXXX cc: Dave Yates "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Glenn Dysart wrote: > > Exactly. How tired do you guys get of people tieing > up the left lane not passing, going the same speed as > traffic in the lanes to the right, and ignoring the > signs that say "slower traffic keep right". I'd say > its my biggest pet peeve. Yep, it's one of mine, too. I'd really like to see cops enforcing laws against tailgating, excessive lane changing, not signalling lane changes, and left-lane hogging rather than concentrating almost entirely on outright speed. They could still keep their revenue from ticket writing up, and really do wonders to the flow of traffic. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 11:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BFwl811080 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09852; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071111583296:9979 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:58:32 -0400 Message-ID: <396B449D.B6F4F5A@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:00:29 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396b69ca.119439641@smtp.erols.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:58:36 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 11:58:37 AM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 11:58:37 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > and when cars do the lane veering, is when two cars collide and > someone gets killed tying up the beltway.. like that 19 or 20 year old > programmer/ college student who killed someone last week. > > witnesses reported him speeding and going in and out of lanes, but his > father was on tv saying "my son doesn't feel like his driving was > negliable.. and he's in his room devistated that someone died". OK, so maybe I have a vendetta against SUV's, but I'm super curious what exactly he was driving. Does anyone else agree that if you need to get an endorsement to ride a motorcycle, or drive a commercial vehicle, that you should also require some sort of knowledge test (other than your parents having too much money) to drive an oversized, undercontrolled vehicle???... nah, I don't have anything against SUV's...... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:01:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web513.mail.yahoo.com (web513.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.228]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BG1R811212 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711160029.28297.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.84.80.170] by web513.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:00:29 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Gimer Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread To: "Burger, Donald" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Burger, Donald" wrote: > I've got no problems with bikes going fast, its the > weaving in and out of > traffic that is far to visible and gives all "rocket > bike" riders a bad > name. And BTW its not just bike riders, cars that > weave in and out of > traffic should be busted as well. I've got a better solution than citing weavers.... Every selfish asshole that insists upon tooling along in either of the left 2 lanes at 70mph or less can get the hell out of the way (by moving to the right, i.e., 'slower traffic keep right') so the rest of the driving population can get past without having to weave. -- tg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:03:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BG3E811230 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10041; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071112024942:10012 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:04:56 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 12:02:50 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 12:02:50 PM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 12:02:50 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than anyone else wants to hear, but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the new/expansion Wilson Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) heeheeheee....) Dale Horstman wrote: > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > > left lanes!! > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding > road designers around here for years... > > If only I were in charge.... > > Hork > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:10:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGAs811325 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA403878 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B46FA.9951C364@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396b69ca.119439641@smtp.erols.com> <396B449D.B6F4F5A@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > OK, so maybe I have a vendetta against SUV's, but I'm super curious what exactly > he was driving. Does anyone else agree that if you need to get an endorsement to > ride a motorcycle, or drive a commercial vehicle, that you should also require > some sort of knowledge test (other than your parents having too much money) to > drive an oversized, undercontrolled vehicle???... here here ! AND, they could charge extra for the registration, easing the need to write silly speeding tickets. Sounds like a win/win. nah, I don't have anything against SUV's...... It's not the SUV, it's the driver. & from now on, we should call them a name equal to their menace. Assault vehicles. Just yesterday on the ride home, I had the pleasure of following an assault vehicle piloted by a cell phone yakker for about 5 miles. She just wouldn't move out of the left lane, too busy running her yap to pay attention. I guess she got tired of my headlight... traffic was HEAVY, all I could do was shake my head ruefully. Other than the bird, is there some other 1 hand singal to tell them to SHUT UP AND PAY ATTENTION to the task at hand ??? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:10:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGAo811323 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA11000; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:10:22 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006574; Tue, 11 Jul 00 12:07:12 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ006FMJJIKQ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.00588BF9 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:07:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:00:36 -0400 Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dale Horstman Cc: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL My understanding of the bridges issue is that it isn't the road designers, it is the communities and land preservation groups that are blocking them based on urban sprawl. Putting a bridge across the Potomac near Great Falls (to give access from MD to the Dulles Corridor) has been a proposal for years. However, the residents don't want the development to come to their neighborhoods, and I believe the Dulles Toll road has a ve$ted intere$t in keeping people travelling on it's road as well. The one place I will fault the road designers, however, is their antiquated view that the commuting patterns in the DC/MD/VA area are still from the suburbs to the city. How silly is that? We have people commuting ALL over the area from suburb to suburb, and they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery county to alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. Although I have moved to Baltimore, I still have a few clients in the Dulles/Ashburn area, and I firmly believe that the stretch of 495 from the dulles toll road around into MD to the New Hampshire exit is the worst in DC. This is coming from someone who lived in Arlington, Alexandria and Fairfax cty for 10+ years. I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road had not been built? Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to build an outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. --chris To: Matthew Ehlert cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > left lanes!! And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding road designers around here for years... If only I were in charge.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:16:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGG2811487 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BGFrp05947 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > We have people commuting ALL over the area from suburb to suburb, and > they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery county to > alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. Check out this site: http://www.iccyes.org/ for more info on the intercounty connector. There's a town meeting tomorrow... Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:17:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGHY811510 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20080 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 16:18:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 16:18:07 -0000 Message-ID: <396B4874.815980F3@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:16:52 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? No, and to be honest, it doesn't really matter. What's the environmental impact of 500,000 cars spending an extra 10 minutes idling each day, spewing exhaust gases? Compared to some ducks and fish, big deal... It's not like we can destroy the Potomac River by building bridges across it. I sit and dream about how a bridge between say Dumfries, and Southern Maryland, and a suitable bypass would really ease congestion across the WWB and Beltway. Traffic really sucks in this area because there are so few ways to get from here to there. A couple more bridges would be sweet! > Remember the whole hoopla with the new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? Hell yeah, they spent a million or two trying to decide if they needed another bridge, when the answer was an obvious slam-dunk "Hell Yessss! We need 3 or 4!!!". Taxpayer's money at work -not. I can't understand the current thinking that a big superbridge to replace the WWB will make things any better. Idiots, all of them. > No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. Sadly, I'm afraid you are right. Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:23:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGNv811619 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03128 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000711122027.00cc6a90@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:48 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:00 PM 7/11/00 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County >Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road >had not >been built? Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to >build an >outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. I lived here when 66 didn't exist. Talk about a badly needed road. You think 395 is bad now? And as for the worst traffic in the area, I'd have to say that the mixing bowl - especially commuters from 95 S have it the absolute worst. Second to that is 66 inbound in the morning to the beltway. But now DC is becoming LA - commute from suburb to suburb. Soon we will have gridlock in both directions instead of one. I'm just glad I go from Centreville to Reston. Back roads rule. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGOJ811629 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27366 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 16:24:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 16:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:23:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > However, the residents don't want the development to come to their neighborhoods, > and I believe the Dulles Toll road has a ve$ted intere$t in keeping people travelling > on it's road as well. We call those folks NIMBY's, short for "Not In My BackYard!" - the rallying cry of the ignorant when any helpful construction is suggested. Vote for the change and move, damnit! :) > I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County > Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road had not > been built? Same deal with the Prince William Parkway. My commute hits both of them, everyday. I shudder to think how long it would take me otherwise. > Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to build an > outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. They are putting in a Southern Bypass, from Dumfries out past Manassas, that connects I-95 and I-66 via a reworked Rt. 234. It's gonna be great when it's finished, but the NIMBYs are still calling it the "Road To Nowhere". They are dead wrong - it's gonna carry lots of traffic (and a bunch of truck traffic) off the Beltway. Stupid short-sighted fools just can't understand why we need more roads.... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:29:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGTH811717 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13C2uD-0000Hh-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:29:09 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05D7L; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:21:52 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: , "Dale Horstman" Cc: "Matthew Ehlert" , Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:30:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <85256919.0057FF7E.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Dont you just love the fact that they tie up traffic for 3 years to add ONE lane?? -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 11:01 AM To: Dale Horstman Cc: Matthew Ehlert; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread My understanding of the bridges issue is that it isn't the road designers, it is the communities and land preservation groups that are blocking them based on urban sprawl. Putting a bridge across the Potomac near Great Falls (to give access from MD to the Dulles Corridor) has been a proposal for years. However, the residents don't want the development to come to their neighborhoods, and I believe the Dulles Toll road has a ve$ted intere$t in keeping people travelling on it's road as well. The one place I will fault the road designers, however, is their antiquated view that the commuting patterns in the DC/MD/VA area are still from the suburbs to the city. How silly is that? We have people commuting ALL over the area from suburb to suburb, and they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery county to alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. Although I have moved to Baltimore, I still have a few clients in the Dulles/Ashburn area, and I firmly believe that the stretch of 495 from the dulles toll road around into MD to the New Hampshire exit is the worst in DC. This is coming from someone who lived in Arlington, Alexandria and Fairfax cty for 10+ years. I lived here when they were still fighting about putting in the Fairfax County Parkway. Could you imagine traffic around the beltway now if that road had not been built? Don't even get me started on the long standing proposal to build an outer beltway, similar to what Boston has. --chris To: Matthew Ehlert cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into the > left lanes!! And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How hard of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been eluding road designers around here for years... If only I were in charge.... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:34:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGXx811819 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA412600 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B4C6D.8A39F7D0@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:33:49 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> <396B4874.815980F3@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > No, and to be honest, it doesn't really matter. What's the > environmental impact of 500,000 cars spending an extra 10 minutes > idling each day, spewing exhaust gases? Compared to some ducks > and fish, big deal... Besides, who would EAT said ducks or fish anyway ? The Potomac is hideously contaminated... > > It's not like we can destroy the Potomac River by building bridges > across it. I sit and dream about how a bridge between say Dumfries, > and Southern Maryland, and a suitable bypass would really ease > congestion across the WWB and Beltway. Traffic really sucks in this area > because there are so few ways to get from here to there. A couple > more bridges would be sweet! So would less taxes, but it ain't going to happen. > Hell yeah, they spent a million or two trying to decide if they > needed another bridge, when the answer was an obvious slam-dunk > "Hell Yessss! We need 3 or 4!!!". Taxpayer's money at work -not. Greatest job since Weatherman. WW bridge planning committee.... They went to more exotic locations than 'high flyin' Hazel O'leary'... > I can't understand the current thinking that a big superbridge > to replace the WWB will make things any better. Idiots, all of them. > > > No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. > > Sadly, I'm afraid you are right. They better. or there are going to be an awful lot of cars in the river one day... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:38:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGc9811908 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA409292 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B4D68.4FA3C3CC@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:38:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > Dont you just love the fact that they tie up traffic for 3 years to add ONE > lane?? What's the deal with that anyway? In WW2, we put bridges up in days & weeks, while being shot at by the enemy ; local construction contractors can't stop scratching their butts for more than 30 minutes at a time... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:48:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BGmH812066 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30088 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 16:48:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 16:48:55 -0000 Message-ID: <396B4FAC.8DB32D8A@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:47:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396B4D68.4FA3C3CC@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > local construction contractors > can't stop scratching their butts for more than 30 minutes at a > time... Hey, those butt-scratching breaks are Union-mandated! Do you really want to ride across a bridge put up by a bunch of buys with itchy butts? Not me. :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 12:56:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BGuw812179 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA416905 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B51D1.637771D4@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:56:49 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <396B4D68.4FA3C3CC@radix.net> <396B4FAC.8DB32D8A@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > Hey, those butt-scratching breaks are Union-mandated! Do you > really want to ride across a bridge put up by a bunch of buys > with itchy butts? Not me. :) As your good deed for the day, you should stop next time & scratch for them.... just to help things along ;-) -- 'ducking for cover' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:01:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BH1P812342 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711170117.24448.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:01:17 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:01:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Operation RR new twist To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel wrote: "You know, when a bike's tail light goes out, from the back, the headlight shining forward doesn't show up too well." Ummm, only if you have some messed up electrical system. Look aat your wiring schematics, the tailight is on a completely seperate fused circuit than the headlights. If anything, I've seen headlights get brighter when the taillight is lost (usually in cases where the battery is getting on the tired side) since there is less overall draw on the charging system. CT ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:10:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BHAA812424 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711171002.3023.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:02 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Avons To: jxcarver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii John wrote: "Would someone please tell me the difference between Avon AV36/AV35 AV40/AV39?" John, 35/36 is the street compound Azarros (what you most likely want) and the 39/40 is the race compound Azarro Supersport. I swear by the 35/36..... GREAT tires. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:11:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BHAw812434 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:51 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: "Kristina M. Rogish" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii environmental impact - that's becoming more and more regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of countries don't share in this concern. So while we become leader in environmental issues.... other countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge is not a big concern to me but rather other countries participating in environmental issues. While building roads, bridges and creating better designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long term... a fraction of the solution because of all the single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb area. maybe the solution: MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > anyone else wants to hear, > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > not in our lifetime anyway. > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > heeheeheee....) > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > the > > > left lanes!! > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > hard > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > eluding > > road designers around here for years... > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > Hork > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 13:43:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BHhJ813061 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13C43w-0005w7-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:43:16 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05D8T; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:35:59 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Matthew Ehlert" , "Kristina M. Rogish" Cc: Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:44:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I LIKE that answer!!! -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Ehlert [mailto:matt_ehlert@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 12:11 PM To: Kristina M. Rogish Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread environmental impact - that's becoming more and more regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of countries don't share in this concern. So while we become leader in environmental issues.... other countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge is not a big concern to me but rather other countries participating in environmental issues. While building roads, bridges and creating better designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long term... a fraction of the solution because of all the single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb area. maybe the solution: MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > anyone else wants to hear, > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > not in our lifetime anyway. > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > heeheeheee....) > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > the > > > left lanes!! > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > hard > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > eluding > > road designers around here for years... > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > Hork > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:05:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BI4x813459 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA08696; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:01:02 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma004139; Tue, 11 Jul 00 13:57:41 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXJ0041HONDZJ@XXXXXX>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256919.0062A2CF ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:57:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:56:08 -0400 Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Incentives, incentives, incentives. Did you follow the news about how fast they got the SF/Oakland freeway built after that huge quake in the late 80s? They incentivized the contractor with extra $$$ to complete it ahead of schedule. Obviously there are additional QC and inspection risks that need to be monitored, but they got a functional bridge in a fraction of the time it takes for construction around here to be completed. BTW, incentivizing a contractor like that does not necessarily equal increased cost. The premise is if you are actually productive for the time it takes to complete the work (at a higher $$$ rate), it will pay off over the long run through the overall reduction in hours worked. Actually, I think the DC area does an above average job in the construction aspect (work mostly at night, roads here are in generally good shape), as compared with other cities. However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange is ludicrous. --chris Dave Yates on 07/11/2000 12:38:01 PM To: cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Michiko Oishi wrote: > > Dont you just love the fact that they tie up traffic for 3 years to add ONE > lane?? What's the deal with that anyway? In WW2, we put bridges up in days & weeks, while being shot at by the enemy ; local construction contractors can't stop scratching their butts for more than 30 minutes at a time... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:09:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BI9u813548 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13091 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29371 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA450407 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B62EA.1F8C5A57@radix.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:09:46 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Actually, I think the DC area does an above average job in the construction > aspect (work mostly at night, roads here are in generally good shape), as > compared with other cities. Personally, I think West Virginia, the Poorest state in the Union does a better job at maintaining their roads than does DC, MD & VA combined. DC has some of the worst pavement conditions in the US, they'd almost be better off with dirt roads in some cases. MD & VA have this stupid habit of tearing up pavement just before the budget for road repairs runs out, leaving stretches of ripped up pavement on major connectors for months on end. However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange > is ludicrous. But par for the course around here... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:29:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BISu813877 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6BISA404448 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:28:11 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bfeb65$7a8abc40$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Having grown up in Southern Cal, I was rather surprised at how slow road construction was around here, but then we didn't have to deal with the freezes, either. Still, I do want to put in a compliment when one is deserved and I think the recent repaving on I-66 inside the beltway was top-notch. The surface is smooth and free of seems between each lane where work was done at separate times. The work went quickly and I only had to deal with rain grooves once, the transition back to pavement was a sudden one though, felt like running into a sidewalk :) My .02 on the WWB is that they really do need the 12 lane version, if not more because once the construction is complete, anticipated traffic flow will outgrow the 10 lane version that the local Virginia community is trying to impose. Would seem to be a waste to have to start over as soon as they're done. Whatever is done, has to be done soon though, the report I saw on NBC a few months back showed pieces falling off the understructure whenever trucks went over. May want to have your swim trunks on the next time you cross it ;) Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" Actually, I think the DC area does an above average job in the construction aspect (work mostly at night, roads here are in generally good shape), as compared with other cities. However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange is ludicrous. --chris From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:32:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIW7814001 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13C4od-0003qJ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:31:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We don't need more roads we need less effing suburbanites! DCs population is declining and it's taking longer and longer to get out of the suburbs and away from the coppers to the good roads. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIZD814100 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16955; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071114350283:11362 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:02 -0400 Message-ID: <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:10 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ehlert CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 02:35:03 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 02:35:04 PM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 02:35:04 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all these damn single-occupancy SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 car lengths, and replace them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! Let's raise the gas tax, to make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy cars burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c driving is so economically inconvenient! And those who DO drive, has small cars which take up less space and make better gas mileage! :-)----Kristina Matthew Ehlert wrote: > environmental impact - that's becoming more and more > regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of > countries don't share in this concern. So while we > become leader in environmental issues.... other > countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge > is not a big concern to me but rather other countries > participating in environmental issues. > > While building roads, bridges and creating better > designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long > term... a fraction of the solution because of all the > single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb > area. > > maybe the solution: > MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > > anyone else wants to hear, > > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > > impact those bridges > > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > > new/expansion Wilson > > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > > not in our lifetime anyway. > > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > > heeheeheee....) > > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > > the > > > > left lanes!! > > > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > > hard > > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > > eluding > > > road designers around here for years... > > > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > > > Hork > > > > > > -- > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > > horkster@XXXXXX > > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:35:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIZp814110 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BIZkp10793 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:35:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Hugh Caldwell wrote: > We don't need more roads we need less effing > suburbanites! DCs population is declining and it's taking > longer and longer to get out of the suburbs and away from > the coppers to the good roads. Yes! Please, if you weren't born here go somewhere else. I've heard good things about Arizona... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:38:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIbx814128 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03498 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:51 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000711143501.00ccf980@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:49 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: DC Sprawl In-Reply-To: References: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:31 PM 7/11/00 , Hugh Caldwell wrote: > We don't need more roads we need less effing >suburbanites! DCs population is declining and it's taking >longer and longer to get out of the suburbs and away from >the coppers to the good roads. Yeah - there are so many GOOD reasons to move into DC. So many people in the papers pissing and moaning about sprawl. Where do you think those people live? Suburbs....Condos....Townhomes...just like the rest of us.... The two gas stations near work and home have all had their air pumps destroyed. One was ripped out of the ground and hauled away. The other one has a perpetual broken sign on it. Hard to fill the tires with my portable compressor when it is raining every night! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:42:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIgE814207 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03520 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:06 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000711143932.00cd2620@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:42:05 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Socialism In-Reply-To: <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> References: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:37 PM 7/11/00 , Kristina M. Rogish wrote: >Let's raise the gas tax, to >make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy >cars >burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND >congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c >driving is so economically inconvenient! You are no longer invited to play in the sandbox. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:46:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIki814288 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007111846.e6BIki814288@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.6c.104d3ef (15863) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:02 -0400 Date: Tue Jul 11 14:46:01 2000 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Subject: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:46:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIkg814286 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007111846.e6BIkg814286@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from EmergeOut@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.42.805fd6e (15865) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web47.aolmail.aol.com (web47.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.8]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75.19) with ESMTP; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:46:11 -0400 Date: Tue Jul 11 14:46:07 2000 From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Subject: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 14:59:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BIx8814460 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13336 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00860 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8271 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 18:59:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 18:59:16 -0000 Message-ID: <396B6E4D.ADFD0978@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:58:21 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Yates CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <85256919.0062910F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> <396B62EA.1F8C5A57@radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Yates wrote: > MD & VA have this stupid > habit of tearing up pavement just before the budget for road repairs > runs out, But what better way to get next year's budget approved? A crude but effective technique, I'm guessing. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:00:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJ0R814558 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18257; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071115000028:11628 ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:00:00 -0400 Message-ID: <396B6F26.15A30E06@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:01:58 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: DC Sprawl & Socialism References: <396B4A0E.5AD699AD@flashmail.com> <4.2.0.58.20000711143501.00ccf980@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 03:00:05 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/11/2000 03:00:12 PM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2000 03:00:12 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > So many people in the papers pissing and moaning about sprawl. Where do > you think those people live? Suburbs....Condos....Townhomes...just like > the rest of us.... > Whatdya mean "us"??? I'm no suburbanite. (probably b/c I am NOT married and do NOT have kids, but... that's beside the point). :-) At 02:37 PM 7/11/00 , Kristina M. Rogish wrote: >>Let's raise the gas tax, to >>make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy >>cars >>burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND >>congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c >>driving is so economically inconvenient! >You are no longer invited to play in the sandbox. Miiiiiiiiiiiii-iiiiiiiiiike! You're hurting my feelings!!!!!!! :~[ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:03:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJ3D814578 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13369 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gateway.lcsa.org (root@XXXXXX [204.188.41.222]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00958 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf ([192.168.0.23]) by gateway.lcsa.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA30023 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:11:05 -0400 From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: <010301bfeb6a$e33c3de0$1700a8c0@loudoun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> Well, if we are going to do this then we might as well make it criminal to go out on a motorcycle just for fun. That too is a total waste of fuel. >From now on you will have to get a hall pass to take the bike from point A to point B and show just cause for doing it! Gary TL1000R FJ1100 Isuzu Rodeo (Yeah baby! Suck that fuel down!) Ford F150 (What the Rodeo doesn't use will be used here!) :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 2:37 PM > To: Matthew Ehlert > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread > > > THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all these damn > single-occupancy > SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 car lengths, > and replace > them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! Let's raise the > gas tax, to > make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make > those economy cars > burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping > pollution AND > congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles > to work b/c > driving is so economically inconvenient! And those who DO drive, > has small cars > which take up less space and make better gas mileage! > > :-)----Kristina > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > environmental impact - that's becoming more and more > > regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of > > countries don't share in this concern. So while we > > become leader in environmental issues.... other > > countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge > > is not a big concern to me but rather other countries > > participating in environmental issues. > > > > While building roads, bridges and creating better > > designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long > > term... a fraction of the solution because of all the > > single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb > > area. > > > > maybe the solution: > > MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! > > > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > > > anyone else wants to hear, > > > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > > > impact those bridges > > > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > > > new/expansion Wilson > > > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > > > not in our lifetime anyway. > > > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > > > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > > > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > > > heeheeheee....) > > > > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > > > the > > > > > left lanes!! > > > > > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > > > hard > > > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > > > eluding > > > > road designers around here for years... > > > > > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > > > > > Hork > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > > > horkster@XXXXXX > > > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJ7Q814675 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:06:00 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:14:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 At 02:37 PM 7/11/00 , Kristina M. Rogish wrote: >Let's raise the gas tax, to >make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy >cars My F150 gets 14 MPG, so I guess I'm one step above moron. It also takes up a full 19 feet of roadway in traffic .. ha, take that. If I'm in traffic, I'm taking my share of the road :) Jay St. Peter Work in Silver Spring, live in Silver Spring, commute < 15 minutes. Don't give a crap what you drive, if your commute is longer than mine you cannot complain about my truck. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:15:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJF0814794 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13412 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA01340 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000711191450.25320.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:14:50 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: Dave Yates , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Personally, I think West Virginia, the Poorest state in the Union does > a better job at maintaining their roads than does DC, MD & VA combined. well I don't know about that, 340 through Harpers Ferry up until a few years ago was horrible. though they did make it nice and smooth now. >leaving stretches of ripped up pavement on major connectors > for months on end. yep, rt 40 through Frederick, the golden mile, is STILL torn up after something like 3 months and no sign of doing anything lately. I'm glad I'm moving so I don't have to ride it every day. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 15:49:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BJnY815443 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNT55>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:48:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Since we're talking recreation, is there any DC-Cycles-related softball activity going on? Would appreciate off-list guidance! Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: EmergeOut@XXXXXX [mailto:EmergeOut@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:46 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:32:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKW3816226 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FGrefe@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.1e.7d08c1b (3700) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:31:45 -0400 (EDT) From: FGrefe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.7d08c1b.269cde31@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:31:45 EDT Subject: Re: Move it right To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BKWM816227 In a message dated 7/11/00 11:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, krogish@XXXXXX writes: > I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a > suggestion > There's (unfortunately) no actual > law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, Here's the law in VA and a link. -Fred Grefe http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-804 M-' 46.2-804 Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: 1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving traffic as permitted in this section; From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:38:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKcH816323 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.66.56dad3e (4333) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:38:04 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:38:04 EDT Subject: Mass Transit To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 Speaking as one who used mass transit for a few years due to not being able to afford a car (and having my bike forget to oil it's front cam on the toll rd one day...), the reason people don't use it much here is that IT SUCKS. The buses don't run often enough, to/from many areas, on time, or late enough in the evenings. The metro is a joke in that it's only good if you're going in or out of DC, not across, and again - it doesn't run often enough or late enough into the evening. In Europe, people don't necessarily use the transit system because they can't afford to drive - they use it because it frigging works and is a very viable alternative to sitting in traffic - if you think the population density here is high, look at any industrial european nation - it's higher. Many many people packed into small places. Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. Anyway... my $.02 rant. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:44:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKiP816410 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.94.6f8b284 (4544) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:44:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.6f8b284.269ce11e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:44:14 EDT Subject: Intercounty Connector To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/11/00 12:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << and > they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery County to > alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. >> Actually, the reason the inter county connector has not passed is because of us, the public. The inter county connector is a key plank in the political platform of one political party and opposed by the other party. The last Maryland Governors race held that as an issue, and I believe Md went for the party opposed to the connector. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:50:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKon816582 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va16-09.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.137]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04826; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396BB413.C650CA64@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:03 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I knew you were a friggin' Socialist! You're not fooling anybody! %^) BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS > excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next > year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund > some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKqX816592 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13C70y-0005VE-00; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:52:24 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J051D8; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:45:07 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: , Subject: RE: Move it right Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:53:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1e.7d08c1b.269cde31@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 obviously that rule works well, doesn't it? -----Original Message----- From: FGrefe@XXXXXX [mailto:FGrefe@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:32 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Move it right In a message dated 7/11/00 11:55:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, krogish@XXXXXX writes: > I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a > suggestion > There's (unfortunately) no actual > law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, Here's the law in VA and a link. -Fred Grefe http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-804 M-' 46.2-804 Special regulations applicable on highways laned for traffic Whenever any roadway has been divided into clearly marked lanes for traffic, drivers of vehicles shall obey the following: 1. Any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions existing, shall be driven in the lane nearest the right edge or right curb of the highway when such lane is available for travel except when overtaking and passing another vehicle or in preparation for a left turn or where right lanes are reserved for slow-moving traffic as permitted in this section; From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 16:56:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BKuZ816631 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03935; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000711165504.00a06f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:57:19 -0400 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ...and supposedly the reason for our sucky mass transit is because when funds were being decided upon for mass transit way back when, before we had our national road system, our leaders/country, etc. decided they wanted more roads. You know, the American love affair with the car? Hence, the concentration on roads rather than mass transit. No judgments from me, that's just the way it is. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 '00 Dodge Dakota http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 04:38 PM 7/11/00 -0400, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > >Speaking as one who used mass transit for a few years due to not being able >to afford a car (and having my bike forget to oil it's front cam on the toll >rd one day...), >the reason people don't use it much here is that IT SUCKS. > >The buses don't run often enough, to/from many areas, on time, or late enough >in the evenings. The metro is a joke in that it's only good if you're going >in or out of DC, not across, and again - it doesn't run often enough or late >enough into the evening. > >In Europe, people don't necessarily use the transit system because they can't >afford to drive - they use it because it frigging works and is a very viable >alternative to sitting in traffic - if you think the population density here >is high, look at any industrial european nation - it's higher. Many many >people packed into small places. >Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS >excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next >year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund >some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. > >Anyway... my $.02 rant. >- Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:00:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL08816809 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.75.6af9247 (4333); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:59:55 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:59:54 EDT Subject: Re: Mass Transit To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/11/00 4:52:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > I knew you were a friggin' Socialist! You're not fooling anybody! %^) BUZZZZZZ!!! For our parting contestents today we have the home version of jeopardy... C'mon, I'm a full on capitalist, through and through (and even exhibit some republican tendancies from time to time...) - you should know that by now! I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:06:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL6d816916 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BL6Ym26383 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30769 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:06:51 -0000 Message-ID: <396B8C34.2C0A5617@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:05:56 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <4.1.20000711165504.00a06f00@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > You know, the American love affair with the car? Hence, the > concentration on roads rather than mass transit. And a good thing, too. Pave the Planet! We want more roads. Make 'em nice, and scenic, and twisty, yeah. A Dragon in everyone's backyard, woohoo! Did I ever tell you that Al Gore and I don't get along very well? :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:09:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL9S816934 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BL9Qm26627 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14415 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:09:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:09:58 -0000 Message-ID: <396B8CE3.87161983@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:08:51 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michiko Oishi CC: FGrefe@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Move it right References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > obviously that rule works well, doesn't it? > It all boils down to selective enforcement by the police and local governments. Not to stray too far off topic, but the NRA is right - this nation has more than enough gun laws. We are (collectively) just doing a miserable job enforcing the existing laws. Same deal with traffic laws. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:09:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BL9d816944 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 8.1e.7cfe0cb (4333); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <1e.7cfe0cb.269ce69a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:07:38 EDT Subject: Re: Mass Transit To: jzell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/11/00 4:58:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzell@XXXXXX writes: > ...and supposedly the reason for our sucky mass transit is because when > funds were being decided upon for mass transit way back when, before we had > our national road system, our leaders/country, etc. decided they wanted > more roads. You know, the American love affair with the car? Hence, the > concentration on roads rather than mass transit. Right, and now it's a vicious circle situation because they say "We can't justify spending more money on mass transit planning because Americans would rather drive", even though the real truth is that we don't necessarily want to, we HAVE to because mass transit is not a viable alternative in most cases. The latest SNAFU in this regard is the move to keep the metro open until 2am on the weekends. Whatever politician who's pet project funding was threatened by this opposed it saying no one would use it, and in the end a compromise was reached... keep it open 'till 1am as a trial. Guess what? No one will use it - last call is at 1:30am and people go home AFTER that. ::GRRRR::: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:11:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLBE816957 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BLB8m27041 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16548 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:11:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:11:40 -0000 Message-ID: <396B8D4A.49F2E20E@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:10:34 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. I don't know, this kind of works for me.... :) Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:19:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLJO817145 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:18:29 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: , Subject: Re: Mass Transit Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:26:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 @aol.com wrote: > > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. I don't know, this kind of works for me.... :) Hork -- Yeah, I have to agree. I think Chuck was right, Roach IS a Socialist. :) Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:19:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLJc817155 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA13020; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396B8FA3.2167BABB@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:20:35 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Fw: Protest References: <85256919.006B176B.00@macmdpt.filterite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mprediger@XXXXXX wrote: > I've heard of this "obstructing traffic" violation....and all I can say > is...."Yeah right!!". I wish I would get pulled over for this....the hassle to > take it to court would be well worth it just to see the dumbfounded look on the > judges face when he finds out the ticket was issued for driving at or under the > maximum speed limit. If they are truly upholding this law, they should be > citing hundreds of people every day who sit in the passing lane doing 55 mph > during rush hour. I drive Rt. 83 North home from Timonium every day and this > type of driver is rampant!! Besides...it won't really matter...if we get enough > people and enough bikes, we can afford to have someone pulled over now and then > since there will be someone else to take their place in line and not disrupt the > "Drive for Freedom".....If we were to pull this off.....someone should contact > the local radio stations to let them know what is going on....then I'm sure we > could make the news so people would know exactly WHY we did it.... If this protest comes together, I'll contact the media. I think it would make national news if we were to block portions of I-95. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:24:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLOC817262 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.241]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6BLOAm28179 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29126 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 21:24:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash2.flashmail.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 21:24:42 -0000 Message-ID: <396B9058.1D44F94B@flashmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:23:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Ratbike for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 for sale. Around 13,000 miles, ran last summer, needs some work. Missing sidecover, seat has a small tear, aftermarket pipes, broken return spring on the kickstart lever (electric start is ok). Comes with backrest/luggage rack and big honkin' crashbar up front. Would make a nice city bike or a real cheap learner bike for someone. $100 firm. Bike is located in Manassas, VA. Any takers? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLOL817272 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-22.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.22]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA28482 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:23:38 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:23:38 -0400 Message-ID: <03dc01bfeb7b$34afbb60$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: DC MotoTourist advice sought Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:01:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Horkster -- I do errands/meetings around downtown often and find MC short-term = parking no problem though occasionally some poking around is needed. = The rub, as I surmise, comes for those needing to commute steadily to = work for full days. =20 As you know there are MC parking zones around. But if not = tourist-visible, either full parking places or MC-squeeze for shorter = periods fill the bill. Care, as always, to fill meters and not invite = bumping by closely parked cages. Park at the end of the block inside = the signs, etc. Suddenly I seem to recall 15th & G MCpkng -- close to WhiteHouse, = Old Ebbitt, Mall, etc. Right in the middle of Tourista Territory. =20 If he wants to stay a bunch of hours or overnite -- of course, have = him ask the garage people. =20 Bid him welcome. If I can help further, email. =20 Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From: Dale Horstman Folks, need some suggestions. ...snip=20 Anyway, I normally suggest to tourists to park and take the Metro in (Blue line specifically) but since he'll be on a bike (and it's cosmetically challenged enough to be more or less safe in the 'Hood) and comfortable with metro traffic issues, I was wondering how viable it would be to ride in and try to park somewhere around the Mall with a motorcycle on a Monday morning? Any moto-friendly parking garages/ spaces still available by late morning? Or am I totally dreaming? ...snip ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Horkster --
 
    I do errands/meetings around = downtown often=20 and find MC short-term parking no problem though occasionally some = poking around=20 is needed.  The rub, as I surmise, comes for those needing to = commute=20 steadily to work for full days. 
 
    As you know there are MC parking = zones=20 around.  But if not tourist-visible, either full parking places or=20 MC-squeeze for shorter periods fill the bill.  Care, as always, to = fill=20 meters and not invite bumping by closely parked cages.   Park = at the=20 end of the block inside the signs, etc.
 
    Suddenly I seem to recall 15th = & G=20 MCpkng -- close to WhiteHouse, Old Ebbitt, Mall, etc.  Right in the = middle=20 of Tourista Territory. 
 
    If he wants to stay a bunch of = hours or=20 overnite -- of course, have him ask the garage people.  =
 
    Bid him welcome.  If I can = help=20 further, email. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help = protect=20 my riding fun.
 
From: Dale Horstman <Horkster@XXXXXX>
=
Folks, need some suggestions.

...snip =
 
Anyway, I normally suggest to tourists to park and = take the=20 Metro
in (Blue line specifically) but since he'll be on a bike (and=20 it's
cosmetically challenged enough to be more or less safe in the=20 'Hood)
and comfortable with metro traffic issues, I was wondering how = viable
it would be to ride in and try to park somewhere around the = Mall=20 with
a motorcycle on a Monday morning?  Any moto-friendly = parking=20 garages/
spaces still available by late morning?  Or am I = totally=20 dreaming?
 
...snip
------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01BFEB59.A7F485A0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 17:37:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BLbA817573 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13C7hs-0001Kn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:36:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest In-Reply-To: <396B8FA3.2167BABB@peabody.jhu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > If this protest comes together, I'll contact the media. I think it would make > national news if we were to block portions of I-95. > If this is gonna happen we should get dc-sportbike involved since their the ones being target. After all DC-Cycles does its speeding and crashing on the byways not the hiways ;p. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:07:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BM6w818104 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BM6lj03710; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:06:47 -0400 Message-ID: <396B98D9.3AF8BE5A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:59:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Dale Horstman , Dave Yates , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Move it right References: <396B1304.78C63F7@radix.net> <396B39C9.66D238E2@flashmail.com> <396B4375.BB050E60@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is a law for trucks, especially HazMat carriers. In the sleepy southeast, interstate speed is now 70 and severa state have keep right laws and do enforce them. Yep, Deputy BeerGut will getcha fer sure. So Caroline busts trucks big time for using left lane. Seems SC discovered it's way cheaper to build a car-duty lane and the laft lane won't handle truck wieght, much like a parkway. Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > I think that where posted, "slower vehicles keep right" is more of a suggestion > than a law. You'll notice only certain stretches of I-95 have the signs for > trucks to stay in the right lanes only. It's kinda like lowering the speed > limits within the high density/urban areas. There's (unfortunately) no actual > law mandating that slower drivers keep right, but in the road-rage areas, they > put it there to remind the blue-hairs (and stupid people) to move it right... > But I do agree that it SHOULD be a law. I wonder how NJ's law came into effect? > > -Kristina > '98 Nighthawk 750 > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > Dave Yates wrote: > > > > > > "Burger, Donald" wrote: > > > > > maybe they wouldn't have to weave in & out of traffic if more lane > > > discipline were enforced... > > > > Tracy and I were in the cage (yuck!) the other night, and talking about > > this very thing. I said the cops needed to enforce the "Keep Right except > > to Pass" laws on the books - Tracy told me there was no such law. Just > > then, I pointed out to her a "Slower Traffic Keep Right" traffic sign > > on I-95. She was genuinely surprised. It just doesn't register to > > people anymore. > > > > The NRA may be right. If we'd enforce existing laws instead of always > > writing up new ones, life would be much better. > > > > Horkster > > > > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > horkster@XXXXXX > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:25:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMPP818534 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BMOuj05711; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:24:56 -0400 Message-ID: <396B9D1A.4171627E@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:18:02 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Dale Horstman , Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711130625.21492.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> <396B3F11.141A9D06@flashmail.com> <396B45A7.F0D3331C@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I'm way older than the present Wilson Bridge. It wasn't there when I moved to Virginny, put in service in `63. Cut 20 minutes off my commute to visit my lady friends in MD. Well, okay some weren't *ladies* but they sure were fun! Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than anyone else wants to hear, > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the new/expansion Wilson > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... not in our lifetime anyway. > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) heeheeheee....) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:35:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMZX818788 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BMZ8j06870; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: <396B9F7E.BFAF49E8@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:28:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: EmergeOut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: 2001 Summer Flag Football League for Bikers References: <200007111846.e6BIkg814286@dirty.meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would this be like Polo? Like on the bikes? Bill EmergeOut@XXXXXX wrote: > I am interisted in organzing a summer flag football league for bikers. If you are interisted in this please e-mail me your contact information. Depending on the response I get I will put together a packet of information and mail it to your desired addres. I am looking for people of all ages, male and female..if your a biker your in if you know someone that would just like to play let me know. Please I am very serious about starting this league so only e-mail me if you are serious. Thankyou all and I hope to hear from you! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:52:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMqR819069 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-86.patriot.net [209.249.180.86]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6BMq8j08701; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: <396BA37B.6233A07F@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:45:15 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kristina M. Rogish" CC: Matthew Ehlert , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread References: <20000711171051.22229.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> <396B6955.CC753B78@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OUCH! My fleet: Econo Dodge Neon, but that car is in TN with my darling daughter. All I have is the payment book, and that gets a zillion miles to the gallon. Dodge 250 Ram van, 360 V-8 with 3.50 towing axle. 16 MPG hiwy, 15/14 towing, single digits in town. Of course, this MONSTER is being piloted by my son who lives south a-ways. His momma thought the van would be perfect to haul the grandkids around. YOU GAVE AWAY MY VAN!! Geezzz... 4WD Dodge Dakota, V-6 auto, 3.50 tow axle. 25 hiwy, 15 town, about 5 on the beach. Hey, beer coolers nad fishing rods are heavy! `93 Harley FLHS. Milage declines rapidily with speed, hitting a low of 33 at *whisper* 80+. Not much better in town. So all in all my CAFE milage is super! Average the trucks and bile with the zillion mile per gallon payment book - I be GREEN! Bill Kristina M. Rogish wrote: > THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all these damn single-occupancy > SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 car lengths, and replace > them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! Let's raise the gas tax, to > make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, and make those economy cars > burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out for helping pollution AND > congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, or bicycles to work b/c > driving is so economically inconvenient! And those who DO drive, has small cars > which take up less space and make better gas mileage! > > :-)----Kristina > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > environmental impact - that's becoming more and more > > regulated by the USA.... unfortunately allot of > > countries don't share in this concern. So while we > > become leader in environmental issues.... other > > countries are polluting at record levels. So a bridge > > is not a big concern to me but rather other countries > > participating in environmental issues. > > > > While building roads, bridges and creating better > > designs will alleviate some of the traffic..... long > > term... a fraction of the solution because of all the > > single car drivers going to work in a city & suburb > > area. > > > > maybe the solution: > > MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! > > > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > > OK, so I'm probably putting in way more 2-cents than > > > anyone else wants to hear, > > > but YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental > > > impact those bridges > > > cause!?!?!?!? Remember the whole hoopla with the > > > new/expansion Wilson > > > Bridge??? No way will another bridge be built... > > > not in our lifetime anyway. > > > OK, maybe in MY lifetime, but not in BILL'S > > > lifetime!!!! ;-) (sorry Bill.... > > > we all know you're "older than dirt". :-) > > > heeheeheee....) > > > > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > > > > Matthew Ehlert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't help that in northern virginia the > > > > > brilliant road designers have merging lanes into > > > the > > > > > left lanes!! > > > > > > > > And left hand exits. Sheesh. And we really > > > > need more bridges between VA and MD and DC. How > > > hard > > > > of a concept is that to grasp? But it's been > > > eluding > > > > road designers around here for years... > > > > > > > > If only I were in charge.... > > > > > > > > Hork > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > > > > horkster@XXXXXX > > > > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > > > > > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > > > > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 18:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BMwm819165 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.67.6a6cfff (4333) for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:58:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <67.6a6cfff.269d009d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:58:37 EDT Subject: Re: WIlson Bridge To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 In a message dated 7/11/00 2:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: > Whatever is > done, has to be done soon though, the report I saw on NBC a few months back > showed pieces falling off the understructure whenever trucks went over. May > want to have your swim trunks on the next time you cross it ;) Pieces? Pah! Those of us here in the mid-eighties can remember the year the bridge started to disintigrate, and the day they had to close a lane because a *four foot chunk* dropped out. You could actually look through the bridge and see water. The local radio station played a parody of Buckner and Garcia's 'Pac Man Fever' titled 'Pot Hole Fever' and included the line "Crossin' the Wilson Bridge tryin' to keep from fallin' through" (Ok, yeah... I'm officially OLD now). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 19:38:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6BNcr819836 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-119-119.s119.tnt2.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.119.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13C9bp-0005PR-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:38:37 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: MSP drops a beamer oops Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1989 02:43:50 GMT Message-ID: <24bdafc7.148370083@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6BNe5819837 check out this message on DCSBR' yahoo club, rumor is a beamer hit a curb and the ground in a donut shop parkng lot lol ============================================ here is the msg: Operation Road Rocket Update stillie750 (22/M/somewhere) 7/11/00 4:46 pm I just talked to a friend of mine who rides and is a newer patrol car officer with the MSP. One of Marylands finest reportedly went down in a parking lot on a curb the other morning. What parking lot you ask...Ironically it was a Donut Shop.Rumor of the damage is a left fairing, mirror, turn signal,and front rim. I think what happened was he was trying to cram one under his chin bar. Simple Physics state that 1 double chin+ 1 large helmet + 1 jelly glazed donut= 1 of Marylands taxpayers paying for new bodywork.LOL Stef Officer Cedrick Steffens, still making full Vanson suits look like Daisy Dukes!!!!!!!!!!!1 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 20:05:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C05H820341 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id UAA20978 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000711201110.007f2dd0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:11:10 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: a few points In-Reply-To: <200007112300.e6BN0Bj19212@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I would love to participate in such a protest. I can see it now hundreds of bikers riding the beltway covering ALL lanes at 55 or 65 miles an hours. That is the speed limit isn't it????? >> Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... >> >> Genna Melamed >> genna@XXXXXX I am just about to leave for the beach in NC, I have to admit that I am releived that I will only spend the first 15 miles out of my 300 mile journey riding in Maryland. Looking forward to Virginia and North Carolina. If anybody is up for a protest after I get back please post to the list, I would love to join!!!! How about a nice slow trip around the MD beltway. Perhaps going exactly 55 on I-270 in the early part of rush hour. Maybe going exactly 55 on I-95 on a Sunday evening. We would have to be sure to block all lanes. >From: Chuck Pena >To: DC Cycles >Subject: Re: "Girls" ride... Sounds like the rest of us could learn a thing or two from the girlz! I had a wonderful ride with you gals on Saturday, we could not have asked for better riding weather. Michelle and Laura, when I get back I would love to show you all some better routes to get to your Rockville offices. >From: FGrefe@XXXXXX >Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:31:45 EDT >Subject: Re: Move it right >OUCH! >So all in all my CAFE milage is super! Average the trucks and bile with the zillion mile per gallon payment book - I be GREEN! > >Bill I hear you there. OK, I admit that our jeep has 33's on it and gets horrid mileage especially when we are towing one or two bikes. But, hubby does %90 of his commuting on his ZX-11. I am proud to say that I do the majority of my commuting in warm weather on the the VFR. When the weather gets cold I revert to the economical Nissan NX that gets the high 20's to low 30's mileage. I would like to think that our familly CAFE is good too!! Now, if we could only give up recreational four-wheelin..... '95 VFR Lisa From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 22:22:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C2Mk822453 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va22-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.159]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12852; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C0133.20BBA9F2@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:25:07 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote : > > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. As a Libertarian, I am in agreement with you about spending excessive money on the military to go bomb far off places. But I reserve my right to have a choice to drive a gas-guzzling SUV! %^) -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 22:31:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C2VC822649 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-129.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.129]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11081 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:09 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <041501bfeba4$80b87780$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:07:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Matthew Ehlert ...snip maybe the solution: MORE MOTORCYCLE RIDERS!!! Yes! And legalized lanesplitting (see archives)! Six+ riders abreast on = the Shirley! Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Matthew Ehlert <matt_ehlert@XXXXXX>
...snip

maybe the solution:
MORE MOTORCYCLE=20 RIDERS!!!
Yes! And legalized lanesplitting (see = archives)! =20 Six+ riders abreast on the Shirley!
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750
Join the AMA.  Help protect my = riding=20 fun.


 
------=_NextPart_000_0409_01BFEB7B.F998AAE0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 23:05:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C35v823220 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-129.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.129]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA12431 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:05:52 -0400 Posted-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:05:52 -0400 Message-ID: <043501bfeba9$15a99960$aea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Many lessons here, 'twould seem Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:29:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 >From the Vulcan List. San Joaquin County [CA] mentioned. Probably from the Sacramento Bee. Lessons? Ride a fast bike? Rocks are dirty? Harleys taste good to trucks? Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> nice truck, nice truck Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. **************** Trucker faces more severe charge By AARON WILLIAMS BEE STAFF WRITER (Published: Saturday, July 08, 2000) An attempted murder charge was filed Friday against a trucker accused of running down a motorcyclist in a fit of road rage. John Gerard Fagundes of Turlock sat stoically in Stanislaus County Superior Court, staring ahead as the district attorney's office increased the charge from assault with a deadly weapon to attempted murder and aggravated mayhem. If found guilty, Fagundes could be sentenced to life in prison. Judge Michael Cummins also granted a prosecution request to boost Fagundes' bail from $20,000 to $500,000. Deputy District Attorney Sharon Lizardo argued that given the "premeditated and extreme nature of the case, $500,000 is not inappropriate." Fagundes' attorney, Kirk McAllister, did not enter a plea on Fagundes' behalf. He asked for, and was granted, a delay until July 21. McAllister also argued against the bail increase and said he will seek to reduce the amount. Police said Fagundes ran over motorcyclist Michael McLatchy on the Standiford Avenue-Beckwith Road offramp from southbound Highway 99 on Wednesday after the two became involved in a dispute that began in southern San Joaquin County. Witnesses reported seeing Fagundes cut across lanes of traffic to follow McLatchy up the ramp near Vintage Faire Mall. Police said Fagundes' big rig struck the motorcycle about halfway up the ramp and pushed the cycle and its rider through the intersection at the top of the offramp and onto the onramp to re-enter the highway. McLatchy was knocked to the side of the road and the brown Peterbilt continued for about 200 yards. The Harley-Davidson motorcycle was pinned beneath the front of the truck. John Goold, chief deputy district attorney, said the charges against Fagundes were increased because of what he called the excessive nature of the conflict. Fagundes said in a 911 call made at 2:59 p.m. that McLatchy was going to throw rocks at his truck. "The 911 call played into the attempted murder charge," Goold said, adding that it implied a premeditated act by Fagundes. "The first rock he throws is the last rock he throws at me," Fagundes told the 911 operator when he called from the Manteca area. "I'm in a big 18-wheeler." Goold said aggravated mayhem was added because McLatchy was disfigured. McLatchy's right leg was severed in the crash. McLatchy's stepmother, Linda Thrower, said the family was pleased to see the charge of attempted murder added, but dismayed that "the lives of two families were devastated." Fagundes' family declined to comment after the arraignment. Police are still unsure of how or why the conflict between Fagundes and McLatchy started. Fagundes told a Bee reporter Wednesday that the motorcycle rider slowed down in front of him, made an obscene gesture and then stopped to pick up rocks. McLatchy still has not been interviewed by police because he is recovering from injuries sustained in the wreck. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 11 23:47:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C3lI823848 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.ae.7a41d0c (4406); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:47:08 EDT Subject: Re: commuters? To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Hi Tony I ride my bike to work nearly everyday and I live in chevy chase just down the road from you. I work in Crystal City. The route I take each morning is this, East on East West highway to a right on Beach drive all the way through Rockcreek Park to the Memorial Bridge, cross the bridge ,through the circle and hang a right onto 110, the Pentagon parking lot is on your left and the Pentagon is on your right. The best time do do this in the morning is Before 7.30 am and before 6pm in the evening , it is nice and twisty and relaxing only three traffic lights to go through. RMC From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 00:00:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6C40v824090 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000712040048.29938.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.116] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:00:48 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii STEADY Kristina.. Economical? [Mass] Transit or Bicycles? Umm..is this DC CYCLES? You're getting perilously close to tree-hugg'n here! Some of us KNOW HOW to properly drive SUV's and don't make excuses for the fuel we consume (cause we pay for it like everybody else, if not more.) I don't want an econobox - had one - then I got something I wanted. Fact is, I'd love a stable of bikes, boats, cars, and trucks - one for every gas-suckin' day of the week! Maybe I could sneak in a day of mountain biking every once in a while - but purely for MY pleasure and never my commute - my choice. I also don't know what kinda moped you're riding but my scooter gets about 35 mpg tops. No more granola and birkenstocks for you. ;-) -Corbett '99K1200RS --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of all > these damn single-occupancy > SUV's that take up the entire lane, and a normal 1.5 > car lengths, and replace > them with motorcycles, and small economic cars! > Let's raise the gas tax, to > make the morons burning gas at 10-miles/gallon pay, > and make those economy cars > burning 40mpg and us M/C's burning 50-60mpg make out > for helping pollution AND > congestion... like Europe! Everyone takes transit, > or bicycles to work b/c > driving is so economically inconvenient! And those > who DO drive, has small cars > which take up less space and make better gas > mileage! > SUV's?... I have issues...> > :-)----Kristina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 00:41:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C4fe824612 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.147] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A733A4A80142; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:42:27 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFEB99.CC088FA0@2G0UP>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:40:37 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFEB99.CC088FA0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:40:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6C4fq824613 Actually Eric, those light-flashing and left-blinker setting are not supposed to annoy - they are considered standard communications between drivers. In Europe, and most anywhere I've been (other than the US) a car wanting to pass blinks its headlights, as in "letting you know, I'm behind you, faster than you are, and would like some room". They will also flash their lights to warn you off of problems, police, accidents, or if you're merging with them too closely. Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights (twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and to me, less polite. I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. Niv BMW F650ST Eric wrote: In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 01:21:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C5Ll825298 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id q.66.5709774 (3971); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:19:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.5709774.269d59c4@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:19:00 EDT Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right To: rdrdr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 What's even MORE annoying/bizarre is that flashing your lights has now been labeled as "aggressive driving" by both MD and VA under their various "Stop all accidents by pulling over people who are fully under control yet exceeding the ridiculously low speed limit instead of the cell-yaking-non-turn-signal-using-weaving- oblivious-to-everything-dolts" programs. Flashing your lights one or twice to let the moron doing 55mph in the fast lane (The one that each state says shouldn't be used except for passing) is "aggresive". I really *&^$*(^*&#$ hate the direction this country is going. - Roach In a message dated 7/12/00 12:44:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rdrdr@XXXXXX writes: > Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights ( > twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - > a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of > this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing > the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and > to me, less polite. > I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 02:06:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6C66Y826719 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000712060626.22636.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.156.121] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:26 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: Crappy roads To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Back when I was commuting in and out of DC every day, I used to think DC did't have a single decent road in it.... Boy was I way wrong. Having lived in Michigan for a year now, it is official: there ain't one damn decent road here! Since I've moved here, three, count em, three (that have made the news) vehicles have literally been swallowed by the roads in detroit. The vid clips of vehicles sitting below the surface of the ground look pretty hilarious, but scary as hell when you think about it..... I REALLY miss MD, VA, and WV back roads :( Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 05:51:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C9pu800506 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA552265 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C3FB3.8E498955@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:51:47 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <66.56dad3e.269cdfac@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > the reason people don't use it much here is that IT SUCKS. Amen. > Yes, most of the governments are to some degree socialized, but that's a BS > excuse - instead fo buying 10 more multi-million dollar fighter jets next > year, or bailing out a 3rd world county somewhere, the US gov't could fund > some public transit in large congested cities pretty easily. I wouldn't mind the government funding some mass transit in lieu of some 3rd world dictator that hates the US etc.. but it's just that pesky problem of the government pretty much making a catastrophe out of anything they touch... Anything is better than Metro. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 05:57:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C9vv800599 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA576535 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C411C.5C633982@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:57:48 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <75.6af9247.269ce4ca@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > I am, however, against spending bazilians of dollars to increase the size of > the worlds largest military That would be China. > so we can send it to far off places to bomb the > hell out of someone so we can have cheaper gas to furthur clog our > under-funded hi-way and secondary road infastructure with low mpg vehicles. Who here LIKES econo-boxes ? Anyone? I don't have an SUV, & I often end up cursing some brain dead SUV driver, but I can understand why they're hot... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 05:59:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6C9xp800609 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6C9xlm23619 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA574142 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C418C.F4592239@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:59:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <4.1.20000711165504.00a06f00@intertv.com> <396B8C34.2C0A5617@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > > And a good thing, too. Pave the Planet! Great, the idea is catching on. Ever thought of running for office :-) We want more roads. > Make 'em nice, and scenic, and twisty, yeah. A Dragon in > everyone's backyard, woohoo! > > Did I ever tell you that Al Gore and I don't get along > very well? :) Whoda thunk it? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 06:03:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CA3C800713 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6CA3Am24036 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA577215 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C4257.45C5DAC4@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:03:03 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Move it right References: <396B8CE3.87161983@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > It all boils down to selective enforcement by > the police and local governments. Not to stray > too far off topic, but the NRA is right - this > nation has more than enough gun laws. I don't know Dale, what about all those drive by Bayonettings??? We are > (collectively) just doing a miserable job > enforcing the existing laws. Same deal with > traffic laws. Too many. Simplify things & it would probably be better. Alas, not in my lifetime. 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 06:12:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CACM800879 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA578748 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C447D.5F9ECD0@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:12:13 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: a few points References: <3.0.6.32.20000711201110.007f2dd0@kivex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Goddard wrote: > I am just about to leave for the beach in NC, I have to admit that I am > releived that I will only spend the first 15 miles out of my 300 mile > journey riding in Maryland. Looking forward to Virginia and North > Carolina. If anybody is up for a protest after I get back please post to > the list, I would love to join!!!! How about a nice slow trip around the > MD beltway. Perhaps going exactly 55 on I-270 in the early part of rush > hour. Maybe going exactly 55 on I-95 on a Sunday evening. We would have > to be sure to block all lanes. I'd think a car escort would be in order too many road rage incidents get started by left lane hogs, & being involved in such on a bike isn't conducive to one's health... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 06:21:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CALi801035 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA573250 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C46B0.95FE55F6@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:21:36 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right References: <66.5709774.269d59c4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > What's even MORE annoying/bizarre is that flashing your lights has now been > labeled as "aggressive driving" by both MD and VA under their various "Stop > all accidents by pulling over people who are fully under control yet > exceeding the ridiculously low speed limit instead of the > cell-yaking-non-turn-signal-using-weaving- oblivious-to-everything-dolts" > programs. Anyone know if this is ACTUALLY a violation of traffic code in MD/DC/VA ? I think Not. a few years ago Dr. Gridlock did an article on someone who was written a ticket for flashing their high beams (to warn of a speed trap, not at a slow driver ). turns out, there is(was) no such violation in any of the 3 local jurisdictions... has that changed ? -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:00:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CC0F802501 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6CC0Cp07784 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <396C418C.F4592239@radix.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Dave Yates wrote: > Dale Horstman wrote: > > And a good thing, too. Pave the Planet! > > Great, the idea is catching on. Ever thought of running for office :-) You guys have never ridden dirt bikes, have you? Streets suck. I say we tear up all the !@#$ pavement, plant some trees, and start establishing trails (with a max width of, say 35"). Now THAT would make a much more interesting commute to work. You can pave the planet as soon you pull my cold dead fingers from my wide open throttle! Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:12:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCCl802667 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA580949 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C60B5.7D212DC9@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:12:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > You guys have never ridden dirt bikes, have you? Sadly, thanks to my moron older brothers, they were banned from my childhood, & I haven't gotten around to getting one yet... Streets suck. I say we > tear up all the !@#$ pavement, plant some trees, and start establishing > trails (with a max width of, say 35"). Now THAT would make a much more > interesting commute to work. Then, all our commuting routes would be 'forests', & 'Wetlands'. Holy Government intrusion Batman. > > You can pave the planet as soon you pull my cold dead fingers from my wide > open throttle! > > Kirk > 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) > 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) > DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:26:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCQv802826 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27806 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Liam Neeson hits deer... I think we should outlaw all deer! LITHGOW, N.Y. Actor Liam Neeson suffered a broken pelvis Tuesday when his motorcycle collided with a deer near his home, authorities said. Neeson, 48, was riding his 1989 Harley Davidson motorcycle around noon when a deer jumped into the road, according to the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office. Neeson, who was wearing his helmet, was thrown from the motorcycle just before it ran into a tree about 70 miles north of New York City. The Oscar-nominated Irish actor suffered a fractured right pelvis, a chipped left pelvis, and multiple leg abrasions. He was taken to a Connecticut hospital. "I'm told that he's in good condition and that he's resting comfortably," said Alan Nierob, Neeson's publicist. "We're expecting a quick recovery." Herman Staats of Hyde Park was driving his truck when he spotted Neeson lying on the roadside. "He managed to crawl his way up back to the road," Staats said. "He wanted me to drive him back to his house right up the road, but I could tell his hips were bothering him." Neeson was nominated for an Academy Award for his portrayal of Oskar Schindler in the 1993 epic "Schindler's List." He has starred in "Stars Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace" and "Rob Roy." Neeson married actress Natasha Richardson in 1994. Sheriff's deputies said the deer died shortly after the accident -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:52:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCqD803351 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13CLzm-0004WV-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:52:10 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J051JP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:44:50 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: , , Subject: RE: commuters? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:53:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: I seem to recall that you can also ride year-round since you never really go all that fast anyway... -----Original Message----- From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX [mailto:RMccre5861@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 10:47 PM To: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: commuters? Hi Tony I ride my bike to work nearly everyday and I live in chevy chase just down the road from you. I work in Crystal City. The route I take each morning is this, East on East West highway to a right on Beach drive all the way through Rockcreek Park to the Memorial Bridge, cross the bridge ,through the circle and hang a right onto 110, the Pentagon parking lot is on your left and the Pentagon is on your right. The best time do do this in the morning is Before 7.30 am and before 6pm in the evening , it is nice and twisty and relaxing only three traffic lights to go through. RMC From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:55:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCto803364 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CCuL420025 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:56:24 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Can happen to anyone.... Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfec00$4327cc20$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Oh No! The deer thread again. ;) As long as we have the helicopter up there, can we equip it with deer-guided missiles? Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" LITHGOW, N.Y. (AP) - Actor Liam Neeson suffered a broken pelvis Tuesday when his motorcycle collided with a deer near his home, authorities said. Neeson, 48, was riding his 1989 Harley Davidson motorcycle around noon when a deer jumped into the road, according to the Dutchess County Sheriff's Office. Neeson, who was wearing his helmet, was thrown from the motorcycle just before it ran into a tree about 70 miles north of New York City. The Oscar-nominated Irish actor suffered a fractured right pelvis, a chipped left pelvis, and multiple leg abrasions. He was taken to a Connecticut hospital. ``I'm told that he's in good condition and that he's resting comfortably,'' said Alan Nierob, Neeson's publicist. ``We're expecting a quick recovery.'' Herman Staats of Hyde Park was driving his truck when he spotted Neeson lying on the roadside. ``He managed to crawl his way up back to the road,'' Staats said. ``He wanted me to drive him back to his house right up the road, but I could tell his hips were bothering him.'' Sheriff's deputies said the deer died shortly after the accident. ===== Tom McIntyre Peoria, IL 1978 BMW R100/7, "The Beast of Burden" AMA, BMWMOA, Airheads #1764, Ill Valley BMW Club "Mentally confused ...prone to wander" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 08:57:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CCvg803439 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA26772; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:58:41 -0400 To: Morris Berman From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" YEOUUUCHHH! : ( God, a broken PELVIS, that gave me the willies just reading it! How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) > >LITHGOW, N.Y. Actor Liam Neeson suffered a broken pelvis Tuesday when his >motorcycle collided with a deer near his home, authorities said. > > > > >-Mb > - Jeannette L. Zell '86 VFR 700 F2 '00 Dodge Dakota http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 09:16:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CDGK804111 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SN4J0>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: rdrdr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:15:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree with Niv that the light-flashing thing in Europe *is* standard practice, but it is *also* illegal (at least in Germany), and if caught doing it, you will face fines or license suspension for aggressive driving, etc. But this isn't the Euro-Cycles list, so maybe we should let it drop. In other news, how do you like that BMW F650ST? Do you prefer it to the new F650GS? Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Ahalan [mailto:rdrdr@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:41 AM To: dc-cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Actually Eric, those light-flashing and left-blinker setting are not supposed to annoy - they are considered standard communications between drivers. In Europe, and most anywhere I've been (other than the US) a car wanting to pass blinks its headlights, as in "letting you know, I'm behind you, faster than you are, and would like some room". They will also flash their lights to warn you off of problems, police, accidents, or if you're merging with them too closely. Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights (twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and to me, less polite. I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. Niv BMW F650ST Eric wrote: In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 09:38:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A26B.pix.aol.com [152.163.162.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CDcl804865 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17481 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id JAA29009 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:38:34 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <396C0133.20BBA9F2@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Charles V. Pena wrote: > As a Libertarian, I am in agreement with you about spending excessive > money on the military to go bomb far off places. But I reserve my right > to have a choice to drive a gas-guzzling SUV! %^) As long as we reserve the right to beat you with a large stick when you whine about how it dcosts you $100 to fill your tank every 3 days because you have a 100 mile commute each day to/from work :) There's just something about having to worry about the gas going bad in your car because you spend so much time on your bike ... (I need to get my bike back on the road. argh.) -dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 09:46:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CDkr805023 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13CMqK-0007do-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:46:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:46:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > YEOUUUCHHH! : ( > God, a broken PELVIS, that gave me the willies just reading it! > > How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? > Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) > Cracked or broke some ribs. Not sure as I didn't get it checked out for a few months. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:02:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CE2g805275 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va8-26.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.218]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14699; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396CA5EC.295752F0@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:07:56 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Paper CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave Paper wrote : > > As long as we reserve the right to beat you with a large stick when you > whine about how it dcosts you $100 to fill your tank every 3 days because > you have a 100 mile commute each day to/from work :) As long as we're OT, let the beatings begin! %^) Actually, you won't hear my whining about how much it costs to fill up the tank on my SUV. Because I don't have a 100 mile commute to/from work, I actually only have to fill it up -- at most -- once a week (and can go for 2 weeks if I don't use it for anything else, but that doesn't happen very often). Plus I made the conscious choice to buy/drive an SUV so I knew in advance that it would cost me more to drive it. Nobody forced me to buy one, so IMHO I wouldn't have a leg to stand on if I started whining about it. And if I do start whining, by all means beat me to death (or shoot me!) %^) Skittles From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:06:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailbox.office.aol.com (x98A3A26B.pix.aol.com [152.163.162.107]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CE6R805356 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gruntled.office.aol.com (gruntled.office.aol.com [10.4.136.237]) by mailbox.office.aol.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19508 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cerberus@localhost) by gruntled.office.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-DTI62-02) with ESMTP id KAA29092 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: gruntled.office.aol.com: cerberus owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:19 -0400 From: Dave Paper X-Sender: cerberus@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit In-Reply-To: <396CA5EC.295752F0@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > Because I don't have a 100 mile commute to/from work, I actually only > have to fill it up -- at most -- once a week (and can go for 2 weeks if > I don't use it for anything else, but that doesn't happen very often). > Plus I made the conscious choice to buy/drive an SUV so I knew in > advance that it would cost me more to drive it. Nobody forced me to buy > one, so IMHO I wouldn't have a leg to stand on if I started whining > about it. And if I do start whining, by all means beat me to death (or > shoot me!) %^) oooOOOooo. A rare site indeed, a semi-responsible SUV owner. Get a load of this one! . Yeah, I know. What I can't stand hearing about is ppl who claim "my only choice was to buy a gas guzzling SUV". Minivan, full sized van, _station wagon_..wake up. pay attention. I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. -dave From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:26:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEQX805923 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23051; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071210262313:17114 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <396C808E.D28ADEFB@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:28:30 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? References: <66.5709774.269d59c4@aol.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:26:24 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:26:25 AM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 10:26:25 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > What's even MORE annoying/bizarre is that flashing your lights has now been > labeled as "aggressive driving" by both MD and VA REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:30:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEUb806121 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.ae.7a6bd45 (3965); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:30:21 EDT Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 The MD "Aggressive driver" law is written much like the VA "reckless driving" law - the cop can cite you for almost anything should he/she choose. Visiting the MD "Aggressive Driver" website reveals... "They run stop signs and red lights, speed, tailgate, weave in and out of traffic, pass on the right, make improper and unsafe lane changes, make hand and facial gestures, scream, honk, and flash their lights." (http://www.sha.state.md.us/oots/aggdrivers.htm) SO... if you pass the moron doing 55mph in the left lane on the right, flash your lights, use your horn, or speed... you're an "Aggressive Driver". Hmm... that about makes everyone on the road in MD one me thinks. - Roach In a message dated 7/12/00 6:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone know if this is ACTUALLY a violation of traffic code in MD/DC/VA > ? > I think Not. a few years ago Dr. Gridlock did an article on someone > who was written a ticket for flashing their high beams (to warn of a > speed trap, not at a slow driver ). turns out, there is(was) no such > violation in any of the 3 local jurisdictions... has that changed ? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:39:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEd8806200 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA623273 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C82FD.BFA47E3@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:38:53 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > ... > Visiting the MD "Aggressive Driver" website reveals... > > "They run stop signs and red lights, speed, tailgate, weave in and out of > traffic, pass on the right, make improper and unsafe lane changes, make hand > and facial gestures, scream, honk, and flash their lights." Basically, they drive like PG county Cops on the Beltway, is that what they're saying ? > (http://www.sha.state.md.us/oots/aggdrivers.htm) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 10:57:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CEvs806509 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24513; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071210574436:17412 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:57:44 -0400 Message-ID: <396C87E5.77F4038E@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:59:49 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Paper CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:57:46 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 10:57:47 AM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 10:57:47 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover rate of SUV's is so much greater than any other vehicle on the road, that transportation safety studies are continually proving that although thought to be bigger/better (a man's world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:17:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFHG807059 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25530; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071211170839:17624 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: <396C8C6F.E0A5062E@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:19:11 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Paper , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <396C87E5.77F4038E@mitretek.org> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 11:17:08 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 11:17:09 AM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 11:17:09 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I meant, "rollover", not turnover......... sorry. "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. > > > > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover rate of SUV's is so much > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that transportation safety studies > are continually proving that although thought to be bigger/better (a man's > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:21:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFKr807150 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA629999 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C8CC9.4A84885@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:20:41 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <396C87E5.77F4038E@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. > > > > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover rate of SUV's is so much > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that transportation safety studies > are continually proving that although thought to be bigger/better (a man's > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... Strangely enough, when you ask an SUV driver about this, almost without fail they say something to the effect of 'maybe that's true, but I'm an above average driver'. SHYEAH. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:29:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFTm807349 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29906; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , Subject: RE: Light flashing!? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:28:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <396C808E.D28ADEFB@mitretek.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:43:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFh2807659 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13754 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:42:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: flashing!? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OHHH NOOO!!! We're not going to start the DC-Cycles flashing and nudity thread again? ;) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Chris Weaver wrote: > If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. > > If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN > THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to > the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them > the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes > up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I > haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the > soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM > To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Light flashing!? > > REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I > hate > cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're > stupid > and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them > once (or > twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when > did > driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. > > -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:51:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CFpe807847 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA637189 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C93FE.A0F76320@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:51:26 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Light flashing!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote: > > If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. > > If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN > THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to > the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them > the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. Why? If they're thick headed enough to stick behind you, you won't be teaching them anything. If, on the other hand, someone comes > up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I > haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the > soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. I certainly agree, a little common courtesy goes a long way, but just get out of the idiot's way & let the cops deal with the tailgater. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:59:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CFx1807967 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA08599; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:54:22 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma003670; Wed, 12 Jul 00 11:50:37 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXL00JN3DFQD8@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525691A.005706D1 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:50:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:48:36 -0400 Subject: RE: Light flashing!? To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525691A.0056E4E2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Actually trying to prove a point to any driver on the road is part of the problem. Infact, as you describe it below, you may part of the worst of it. Not only are you AWARE that the driver is there, but you still won't yield and will even take measures to annoy the driver just to try to prove a point that most likely won't change their behavior anyway. I guess my question to you is why do you take it so personally? Move over regardless of whether they are tailgating or not, let them by and go on about your life. Honestly Chris, doing that takes about 20 seconds. What gives? It seems as if you have personal vendetta, and those are the types that should be removed from the road. Not a flame, but maybe you should evaluate what you are doing to incite other drivers. I agree with you that the tailgater is WRONG in the first place, but you are just throwing fuel on the fire. Why not just let it go? --chris Please respond to chris.weaver@XXXXXX To: "Kristina M. Rogish" dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Light flashing!? If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 11:59:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f131.hotmail.com [216.32.181.131]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CFxT807977 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 47522 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 15:59:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000712155921.47520.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.36.208.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:59:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Sanath S" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:59:20 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Not to throw anyone off the In Response... thread, are there any rides for this weekend I can get in on - Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Let me know. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:21:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGLu808450 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28456; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071212211411:18151 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:21:14 -0400 Message-ID: <396C9B73.E7F14A98@mitretek.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:23:16 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Morris Berman CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: flashing!? References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 12:21:14 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/12/2000 12:21:15 PM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2000 12:21:15 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Morris Berman wrote: > OHHH NOOO!!! > We're not going to start the DC-Cycles flashing and nudity thread > again? ;) YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!! Fun group! Who's in? Are tan lines cliche??? ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:26:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGQg808483 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA492019 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396C9C34.1CD341A6@radix.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:28 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: flashing!? References: <396C9B73.E7F14A98@mitretek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > Morris Berman wrote: > > YAHOO!!!!!!!!!!! Fun group! Who's in? Are tan lines cliche??? ;-) > I guess you can bag the bikini wax then ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:49:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGn7808887 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.147] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id A1B4F8023A; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:49:56 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFEBFF.77C74880@2G0UP>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:48:24 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFEBFF.77C74880@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "'eschelzig@XXXXXX'" Cc: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: ST vs. GS ? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:48:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CGnI808888 I love the ST - but I would probably like to trade up for the new GS when the time comes. I've always had dual-purpose bikes until this ST. Just thought that it was time for a slight change. I'm thinking of doing a mc journey from here to the tip of Chile in a year or two and the GS or the Dakar version looks like the right tool for the job. Regards Niv BMW F650ST ---------- From: eschelzig@XXXXXX[SMTP:eschelzig@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 6:15 AM To: rdrdr@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right I agree with Niv that the light-flashing thing in Europe *is* standard practice, but it is *also* illegal (at least in Germany), and if caught doing it, you will face fines or license suspension for aggressive driving, etc. But this isn't the Euro-Cycles list, so maybe we should let it drop. In other news, how do you like that BMW F650ST? Do you prefer it to the new F650GS? Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Ahalan [mailto:rdrdr@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 3:41 AM To: dc-cycles (E-mail) Subject: RE: In response to Protest thread - Passing on the Right Actually Eric, those light-flashing and left-blinker setting are not supposed to annoy - they are considered standard communications between drivers. In Europe, and most anywhere I've been (other than the US) a car wanting to pass blinks its headlights, as in "letting you know, I'm behind you, faster than you are, and would like some room". They will also flash their lights to warn you off of problems, police, accidents, or if you're merging with them too closely. Unfortunately in the US its become standard practice to flash your lights (twice usually) to say - "here you go - you're clear to merge into my lane" - a practice I understand that started off with truck drivers. The result of this is that the guy coming up on the left lane behind you will avoid doing the "annoying flashing lights" and just tailgate you. Much more hazardous and to me, less polite. I think drivers here need to learn a thing or twelve about highway etiquette. Niv BMW F650ST Eric wrote: In Germany it is strictly illegal to pass cars on the right, to the extent that you will lose your license for a stipulated amount of time if you are caught doing so. This forces lane discipline to be high (funny, the Germans? Disciplined?), but also sets up amusing situations where one slow-moving vehicle will be moving along in the left lane, while dozens of cars line up behind waiting for the guy to pull over, not daring to pass on the right. This, in turn, gives way to annoying light-flashing and left-blinker setting among faster vehicles on the Autobahn, but the alternative, ultra high-speed undisciplined driving, gives rise to images of carnage and destruction. Without strict rules, the Autobahn would probably be a lot more bloody than it is, and speed limits would have been imposed long ago. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 12:49:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CGnp808897 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00479; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Light flashing!? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <8525691A.0056E4E2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It's not so much to prove a point to the other driver but a way to minimize risk to myself. If I can move to the right, I usually do so. I've lived in Europe for many years and am firmly committed to the idea of moving to the right whenever possible, even when no traffic is behind me. When I get tailgated, it's invariably when I have nowhere to merge to. If I slow down, it gives me (and more importantly, my tailgater) more space for sudden stops and it sends the tailgater the message that they'll move faster in the next lane over. Very rarely I get pissed off and don't merge when a spot does open up simply in order to inconvenience the driver behind me. This is human nature. I don't have a personal vendetta and I'm not out to incite other drivers. Please don't overdramatize what I wrote. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:49 AM To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Light flashing!? Actually trying to prove a point to any driver on the road is part of the problem. Infact, as you describe it below, you may part of the worst of it. Not only are you AWARE that the driver is there, but you still won't yield and will even take measures to annoy the driver just to try to prove a point that most likely won't change their behavior anyway. I guess my question to you is why do you take it so personally? Move over regardless of whether they are tailgating or not, let them by and go on about your life. Honestly Chris, doing that takes about 20 seconds. What gives? It seems as if you have personal vendetta, and those are the types that should be removed from the road. Not a flame, but maybe you should evaluate what you are doing to incite other drivers. I agree with you that the tailgater is WRONG in the first place, but you are just throwing fuel on the fire. Why not just let it go? --chris Please respond to chris.weaver@XXXXXX To: "Kristina M. Rogish" dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: RE: Light flashing!? If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Kristina M. Rogish [mailto:krogish@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:29 AM To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Light flashing!? REALLY!??!?!?!!?!?!?!??!?!?! That sucks! It's ridiculous, too! ARGH, I hate cops! I can tailgate someone for MILES and they won't move (b/c they're stupid and aren't lookin in their rearview mirror), but as soon as I flash them once (or twice), they usually notice me and move... stupid, stupid, stupid.... when did driving become a right instead of a privelege, anyway? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. -Kristina, with fire under her ars on a wednesday AM ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 13:22:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CHMq809457 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA12443; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:18 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008150; Wed, 12 Jul 00 13:19:15 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXL00C2HHJKDG@XXXXXX>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 8525691A.005F23F9 ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:19:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:08:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? To: Sanath S Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Message-id: <8525691A.0058BE29.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL There seems to be talk of a protest ride to Phily ... you could check that one out. --chris Sanath S on 07/12/2000 11:59:20 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? Not to throw anyone off the In Response... thread, are there any rides for this weekend I can get in on - Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Let me know. Regards Sanath ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 14:20:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f215.hotmail.com [216.32.181.215]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CIJq810461 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14171 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 18:18:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000712181803.14170.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.36.208.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:18:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.36.208.2] From: "Sanath S" To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX Subject: Protest Ride Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:18:03 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Someone organizing a protest ride? I read something about this earlier. Sounds like a great idea, I am sure people on here are just iching to protest and ride 55mph around 495. Regards Sanath >From: >To: Sanath S >CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:08:38 -0400 > > > >There seems to be talk of a protest ride to Phily ... you could check that >one >out. > >--chris > > > > > > >Sanath S on 07/12/2000 11:59:20 AM > > > > > >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >cc: cvkgpena@XXXXXX >Subject: Now for something completely different - rides this weekend? > > > >Not to throw anyone off the In Response... thread, are there any rides for >this weekend I can get in on - Friday, Saturday, or Sunday? Let me know. > >Regards >Sanath >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to >which >it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. >Any >review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any >action >in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the >intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 14:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CIt9811257 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000712185455.23846.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:54:55 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest Ride To: Sanath S , christopher.meier@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't want to organize it but will gladly join in. Glenn --- Sanath S wrote: > Someone organizing a protest ride? I read something > about this earlier. > Sounds like a great idea, I am sure people on here > are just iching to > protest and ride 55mph around 495. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:03:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJ3h811432 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CRnI-00060f-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:03:41 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hiyabusa as an emergency vehicle Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:09:01 GMT Message-ID: <396cec4e.43133346@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJ3k811433 http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/news/news.asp?id=125 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:14:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJE7811610 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CRxN-0007mO-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:14:06 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Paper Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mass Transit Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:19:26 GMT Message-ID: <396ded7f.43438651@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJEA811611 On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:06:19 -0400, you wrote: |>Yeah, I know. What I can't stand hearing about is ppl who claim "my only |>choice was to buy a gas guzzling SUV". Minivan, full sized van, _station |>wagon_..wake up. pay attention. |> |>I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems to insuring them. ACK! that reminds me.. For those days that I can't ride.. I decided to buy a boat of a car..a cadillac fleetwood brougham (can't afford an SUV).. if I can't have speed, then give me plush comfort.. and I drive very law abiding in that... anyway the point i was trying to get to was: when i went to get tags for it.. the lady said "that'll be 90 (something) dollars".. so I'm thinking..and ask.. I thought tags were 70? and her reply was "yeah they would be but you have a heavier vehicle"... so I say oh ok and hand over the credit card because ther's nothing i could do.. but in the mean while i was thinking.. yeah where's my EFFING discount for my motorcycle being a lighter vehicle ya bunch of crooks heheh... Didn't mean THAT lady specificly though.. just the state. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:23:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJN3811777 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007121923.e6CJN3811777@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id g.a7.593faad (15708); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:22:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:22:15 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer To: Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown In a message dated Wed, 12 Jul 2000 8:29:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Morris Berman writes: << Liam Neeson hits deer... I think we should outlaw all deer! >> Agreed! Get rid of those Deer Crossing signs. They never cross there anyways. The damn jaywalkers. ;-) << Neeson, who was wearing his helmet, was thrown from the motorcycle just before it ran into a tree about 70 miles north of New York City. >> Must have been going pretty good to throw him off the bike and then travel another 70 miles to hit a tree. hehe << Sheriff's deputies said the deer died shortly after the accident >> Mmmmm....Deer Jerky. :-) << -Mb >> Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:26:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from kens.com (root@XXXXXX [129.250.30.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJQp811800 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ksenser@localhost) by kens.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA77022; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:26:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ksenser@XXXXXX) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kirt S." X-Sender: ksenser@XXXXXX To: cbr@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: POTENTIAL RACE BIKE (and parts) FOR SALE ASAP!!! (or maybe a potential streetfighter) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII OK, well everyone should remember my recent wreck and subsequently totalled F4. It's up for sale. description follows... 1999 CBR600 F4 -left side and upper/instrument panel trashed -needs new front wheel, new forks, new rotors (calipers looks to be in good shape) -tail section scratched but useable -bent shift lever -right side ok -frame undamaged in wreck -left clip-on scratched but useable (right side ok) -triple-clamp in good shape -very light scratches in tank (not all the way through the paint, easily buffed out) -everything else appears to be in good shape, including but not limited to...motor, swing arm, rear wheel, relatively new tires (BT56SS, less than 1500 miles on them), whole left side of the bike, footpegs, kickstand, rear brake lever, stock exhaust (almost never been used), stock front sprocket (16T, also almost never used), stock air filter (again, hardly used), etc... Since the damage was mostly two major things (front forks, and fairings), the majority of the bike is in very good shape. This bike has a STRONG tight motor for an F4, and I had it dynoed at Fast Lanes Motorcycles in Chantilly, Va. Even the owner of the shop looked at my readout and said "damn that's a powerful F4". He compared it to several race bikes that they tuned at that same shop and they were making 96-97 HP at the wheel with relatively wimpy bottom ends, whereas my F4 was making better power down low and up top, with a peak HP of 98.6. The day I had it dynoed wasn't exactly excellent test conditions either, so it might be more. The mechanics at Coleman Powersports also commented on the power of my bike pretty much any time they had to "test ride" it after any work done. I have until tomorrow night (maybe friday during the day) to decide if I'm buying it back from my insurance company. It will cost me a little over $2800 to buy it back (this was an estimate given by a professional motorcycle salvage company). I'm willing to part with it for $3000 OBO. Also, I have (undamaged) from the bike, the Two Brothers Racing FULL system exhaust (with round carbon fiber cannister, and both high mount and low mount options), and the BMC air filter. These two aftermarket parts, coupled with a stage 1 jet kit from Dynajet netted me those excellent HP readings... these are in perfect shape. Make an offer... Also... I have the 15T front counter sprocket from Sprocket Specialists too. PLEASE get back to me ASAP, at THIS e-mail address, not on the list. Or, better yet, call me...703-627-1051 I'm not trying to make money on this deal, but I'm not trying to lose any either. If anybody wants this bike, please take it...however, you pay shipping :-) Kirt S. ksenser@XXXXXX www.DarkMoonEmpire.com 703-627-1051 (cell) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:28:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJSO811885 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CSBC-0001sB-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:28:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Jeannette Zell Cc: Morris Berman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:33:42 GMT Message-ID: <396ef205.44597070@smtp.erols.com> References: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJSP811886 |>How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? |>Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) None for me either. Did get a sprained ankle and thumb.. but i never went to the hospital and kept riding.. had to switch bikes once. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 15:30:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CJUr811977 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CSDb-0002FK-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:30:51 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Light flashing!? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:36:12 GMT Message-ID: <396ff2c0.44784010@smtp.erols.com> References: <396C93FE.A0F76320@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <396C93FE.A0F76320@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJUx811978 |> I certainly agree, a little common courtesy goes a long way, but just |>get out of the idiot's way & let the cops deal with the tailgater. Good point.. and you set an example for them to get out of the way, if they are in that situation. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:11:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CKBV812612 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SN46D>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:10:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, jzell@XXXXXX Cc: berman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Protest: Outlaw the Deer Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:10:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" |>How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? |>Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) I was riding along in a costal village in Vietnam on a Russian two-stroker, when a woman in a conical hat (talk about restricted vision) and a huge jellyfish on the luggage rack of bicycle decided to make an abrupt turn in front of me. I almost lowsided, but then caught the bike and took a highside instead, all the while thinking I was going to end up face-down in jellyfish. Luckily for me, I only got a few scrapes, and the conical-hatted bicyclist rode away obliviously. Within seconds virtually the entire village had gathered to see what had happened, as my glass headlight must have shattered in a beckoning fashion. My passenger and I quickly gathered our wits, determined that we weren't sufficiently injured to stick around to face the authorities (without a local drivers license or registration -- how squidly of me), so we got back on bike and got the hell out of there. Needless to say there was no jellyfish-crossing sign posted anywhere in sight, but luckily no broken bones, either. Bests, Erik From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:42:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6CKgc813234 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1882 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2000 20:42:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 20:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <396CD817.66EA6C46@flashmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:41:59 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeannette Zell CC: Morris Berman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest: Outlaw the Deer References: <4.1.20000712085654.009f8da0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone broken while riding? > Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy wood!) : ) I just about broke my big toe one day when I rode up on a smallish rock in the middle of the road on the way to work. Feeling like I would be doing someone a favor, I slowed down a little and lined up the bike so I could kick the rock over to the shoulder, polo-style. The rock was about the size of 1/3 of a typical red clay brick. No big deal, right? Took my right foot off the peg, held it just so, skimming above the road, and hit the rock with my foot doing about 20 mph. WHAP! OUCH! DAMN! I swear that thing was anchored to the road! Man did that hurt.... So what do I do? I turn the bike around, to see if the rock actually was stuck to the road. Nope. Nudged it out of the way from a stop this time, and my big toe was still throbbing. Sonofab*tch! I won't be doing *THAT* again anytime soon... Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:49:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CKnM813345 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id o.78.784b33e (2616); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <78.784b33e.269e33c6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:49:10 EDT Subject: Flashing Lighst as a Violation in MD To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/12/00 6:23:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: << Anyone know if this is ACTUALLY a violation of traffic code in MD/DC/VA ? I think Not. >> Humm, a couple of years ago when I was in court fighting a helmet ticket (and won, by the way) the case infront of me involved a guy who was behind a slow poke and flashed his lights. An unmarked car was coming the other way, saw what happened and wrote the flasher a ticket and the issue revolved around flashing the lights. The Court found for the government and the guy paid a fine. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 16:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CKq9813431 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id y.50.8008dac (2616); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.8008dac.269e3444@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 16:51:16 EDT Subject: Re: FW: Can happen to anyone.... To: bernescut@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/12/00 8:57:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bernescut@XXXXXX writes: << As long as we have the helicopter up there, can we equip it with deer-guided missiles? >> Hollow point or slug? Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 17:47:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CLlE814454 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CULX-0000bZ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:47:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: ultimate rookie crosspost Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:52:33 GMT Message-ID: <396d128a.52923625@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CLlW814455 crosspost: ======================= subect: Ultimate Rookie! author: ny_cee (38/M/Metro DC (NYC Y'ALL)) 7/12/00 10:26 am Went with ssiixx_6 yesteday to the Springfield bike shop. While we were standing outside talking, a salesman was puting the owner on his new cruiser. The OLD man turned to the sales guy and said "So....this one here is the brake?". Then, "Where are my turn signals?". Once he got it started he hit a corner going out of the parking lot so slow, we just turned and looked at each other because we KNEW he was going DOWN! Scary, ain't it! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 18:36:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CMaA815291 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-84.s84.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.84] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CV6t-0002wv-00; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:36:08 -0400 Message-ID: <074501bfec51$d05fab20$546aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: , "Tight Squeeze Racing" , , , "Steve Keener" , "Pete Friedman" , "mark behlke" , Subject: Need help with RAM bodywork Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:37:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I need some good pictures and advice on how to install the RAM bodywork on my SV. Can anyone give me any suggestions. I don't even know how it attaches to the bike, is it just attached with the fairing stay in the front? If so where? If not where else? What about the tailsection, how does it attach? Do you have to modify the stock rear subframe to attach it? Please help me. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 19:22:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6CNMf816262 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-139-45.s299.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.45] helo=todd) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CVpm-0002E8-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:22:30 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Traffic Protests/Road Construction/The environment Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:14:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfec56$f58f1200$2d8ba4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 -"anticipated traffic flow will outgrow the 10 lane version that the local Virginia community is trying to impose." -"YEESH! Do you know what kind of environmental impact those bridges cause!?!?!?!?" -"we need less effing suburbanites! DCs population is declining" -"However, 10 years for the Springfield interchange is ludicrous." +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One factor with regard to congestion and environmental impact that I haven't seen specifically mentioned was population growth. Hugh Caldwell touched on it with his statement about the declination of DC population, but he was talking about re-distribution. I'm talking about the increase. I've lived in VA for 33 years. I watched rt7 become a four lane highway through Tysons Corner, and I495 increased from 2 lanes to 8. The reasons for expansion were ever so that they are today. Due to growth in the DC area, roads that were designed "for the times" get congested. I guess my point is, though I don't deny that fast quality construction of more bridges, connectors, parkways, outer beltways, etc., would alleviate most current traffic congestion and tensions, it also encourages more people to drive and attracts more people to the area. So forget about it. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 20:16:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smgt.net (253-64-173-216.user.darwin.net [216.173.64.253]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D0Gv817283 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 2G0UP [216.173.114.147] by smgt.net (SMTPD32-6.03) id AAA93C9D0112; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:17:45 -0700 Received: by 2G0UP with Microsoft Mail id <01BFEC3E.068E9BC0@2G0UP>; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:16:13 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFEC3E.068E9BC0@2G0UP> From: Ahalan To: "dc-cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: hyabusa as an emergency vehicle Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:15:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6D0H6817284 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: hiyabusa as an emergency vehicle Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 22:09:01 GMT X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6CJ3k811433 http://www.motorcycleworld.co.uk/news/news.asp?id=125 >From this web site: _ _ _ "But patients aren't going to be whisked to hospital on the back of a bike! Instead, paramedics will give emergency treatment until the ambulance arrives. Now the race is on to raise the M-#15,000 needed to keep the superbike on the road and stocked with drugs. " Hyabusa ? Race ? on the Street ? with drugs ??? whooohooo !!!! Now that will give those BMW and helicopter cops something to chase!. '-) Niv BMW F650ST From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:11:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D3BA820171 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713031102.14282.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.201] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:11:02 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: SUV fixation To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn Girl, are we still fixating on SUV's? Yeah, there's an insurance penalty, it comes with driving ANY expensive vehicle. Turnover rates? Transportation Safety Studies? Sure you still have time to ride your B-I-K-E? -Corbett '93 Montero SUK --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems > to insuring them. > > > > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover > rate of SUV's is so much > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that > transportation safety studies > are continually proving that although thought to be > bigger/better (a man's > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:14:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D3EO820255 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713031415.3835.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.201] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:14:15 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:14:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Mass Transit To: "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > I meant, "rollover", not turnover......... sorry. > Anyway you want it honey. ;-) -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:19:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D3JX820360 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iguana (gecko [63.248.206.29]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08178 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:19:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000712231825.00bb7100@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:19:20 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Actor meets deer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20000712/en/liam_hurt_in_deer-meets-motorcyc le_collision_7.html The Force definitely was not with Liam Neeson yesterday. The Phantom Menace Jedi suffered a broken pelvis when his motorcycle collided with a deer in upstate New York. The Dutchess County Sheriff's Department reports that Neeson, 48, was riding his 1989 Harley Davidson Tuesday afternoon when he struck the deer, which ran off before dying from its injuries. The actor, Oscar-nominated for his turn as Oscar Schindler in Schindler's List, also received multiple cuts to his legs, police said. He was first taken to Sharon Hospital in Sharon, Connecticut, and later moved to Lenox Hill hospital in New York City. "I'm told that he's in good condition and that he's resting comfortably," Neeson's publicist, Alan Nierob, says. "We're expecting a quick recovery." Nierob did not immediately know if Neeson's wife, actress Natasha Richardson, is with him or even when Neeson will be released. He says he hasn't heard from Neeson's doctors. The hero of the story is Herman Staats of Hyde Park, New York, who was driving along in his truck when he spotted the crumpled actor lying next to the road. "He managed to crawl his way up back to the road," Staats tells USA Today. "He wanted me to drive him back to his house right up the road, but I could tell his hips were bothering him." Neeson owns a home in Washington, New York. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D3OM820452 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713032416.16114.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.201] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:24:16 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:24:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: Light flashing!? To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You know, I almost never have a tailgate problem...I'm either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of an "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him reaching my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) If I'm stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move to his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" car coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just fade back and watch the show develop... -Corbett --- Chris Weaver wrote: > If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part > of the problem. > > If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not > going to be interested IN > THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, > I'll probably slow down to > the speed limit or below just to get them off of my > ass and maybe give them > the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the > other hand, someone comes > up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and > flashes me once (if I > haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet > I'll move over at the > soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a > courteous driver/rider. > > Chris Weaver > '98 VTR 1000 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 12 23:42:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D3gY820811 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va19-31.ix.netcom.com [207.223.180.159]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA12718; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396D6556.653D034C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:44:38 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycle.sportbike To: DC Cycles , parr@XXXXXX, Suzuki Bikes List Subject: Bike Night 3 - next Tuesday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just another reminder that Bike Night 3 is next Tuesday (July 18th), 7pm to 11pm at Grevey's in Falls, VA. For all the info, go to the website at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight. Hope to see y'all there! Chuck, aka Skittles P.S. Please tell friends (even if they don't ride m/c's). And feel free to pass this email along and/or crosspost it to other relevant lists. Thanx! -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 00:42:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6D4gs821718 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713044246.14822.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.81.183] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:42:46 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 21:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: broken bones To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In SQUID fashion back in the early 90's ..on a BEAUTIFUL & sunny Friday afternoon zooming down the inner loop of the beltway at about 115 mph on my '88 Hurricane 600 - on my way to happy hour... I head for the exit ramp (Route 7 West to Tysons Corner) and scrub off some speed before entering the turn....45mph,40,35,lean..oh damn! tons of minature potholes!... (NOTE to the newbies...asphalt when laid over cement doesn't adhere to the cement very well..so on places like off-ramps, the constant braking as cars enter the turns stretches and cracks the asphalt leaving hundreds of cute little potholes) ...the potholes cause a wonderful skipping effect as my tires intermittently slip/grab/slip/grab while I start to gain on the car in front's - rear bumper. I make the novice's mistake and start reaching for brakes...and WHOOSH..my freshly polished bike is sliding out in front of me..on it's side..and I notice..that I'm not really riding anything anymore - I'm sliding on my side too! (sweatshirt & jeans) The bike slides away, catches ,does a couple of cool flips so as to do body damage to both sides and the upper fairing, I slide off into the grass. It was only when I tried to pick my bike back up that I noticed my right arm felt like it was made of lead - broken right collar bone (oops sorry, C-L-A-V-I-C-L-E.) Felt a little woozy after realizing I was mortal. People stop, a nurse calls an ambulance..State Boy pulls up and says, "I imagine you were moving pretty fast when you lost control HUH?" while pulling his ticket book out... and before I can even respond..a motorist that happened to be behind me on the off ramp says "No Officer, he must have been going about 30 when the bike just slid out from under him!" (I could of KISSED that GUY!) The cop showed up at the hospital later...but I was sticking the that OTHER guy's story! Other notes: --the EMT's like to strap you to a backboard & isolate your head and neck...but not before cutting all your clothes off on the roadside-except for your socks and CLEAN underwear. --Emergency rooms are C-O-L-D, the REST of your clothes are cut or removed...(GUYS expect SOME shrivelage) --They check for internal bleeding by having a guy stick a thumb up your ass (while your still strapped to the backboard) GOD! I HOPE that was his thumb!... He never writes me.... --XRAY Technicians are bitter people..they like to poke and prod you into sitting still on basically a bar stool in front of a screen...not caring if they're grabbing you by the hurt shoulder or not..IF YOU EVER have the misfortune to visit one..DO YOURSELF A FAVOR, BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM FIRST WITH YOUR "GOOD" ARM. It's been propably 8 years and I'm still pissed at that weasle. FINALLY: It's probably a good idea to keep a telephone number of an emergency contact person on your person or your bike when you're riding (Yes, Group rides too.) You know which people in your life are best equipped to hear stressful news... Uhh...hospital Volunteers can be friggin' idiots too. I told this lady (hospital volunteer) to call my Pop (Dad rides & knows that spills happen) I tell her "Tell my Dad that I'm FINE and that I need some clothes, and to come pick me up." She calls my Dad at work and says "Sir, I'm sorry to inform you that your Son has been in a motorcycle accident" Dad replies, "wha?...IS..is he okay? Then lady genius says, "Well...he's awake...and he's SMILING..." I swear, Pops thought he was grabbing some clothes to dress his SMILING VEGETABLE of a son." (No such luck, it was time for a burger.) Nowadays, he sometimes considers the merits if he could have a smiling vegetable for a Son... :-) -Corbett '99K1200RS --- Dale Horstman wrote: > > > > How 'bout a new thread: What bones has anyone > broken while riding? > > Me: none (Knock on some really hard, sturdy > wood!) : ) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 05:43:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D9h1827380 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id r.4a.8122432 (4587); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:42:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <4a.8122432.269ee919@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:42:49 EDT Subject: Re: Light flashing!? To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, chris.weaver@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/12/00 11:25:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX writes: << With a little luck the tailgater will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just fade back and watch the show develop... >> You know, in every crowd....there's some one with a good idea.... Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 05:48:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6D9mo827459 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Cfbq-0000H0-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:48:47 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Corbett B Cc: chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Light flashing!? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:54:15 GMT Message-ID: <396eb829.95328415@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000713032416.16114.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000713032416.16114.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6D9mq827460 On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:24:16 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" car |>coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the |>tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater |>will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just |>fade back and watch the show develop... Those little shows can be scary... I try to be ready to hop over 3 lanes! to get the hell out of the way if somethign happens. I was near the MCI center I think it was friday or saturday night.. i was on a 2 lane street (and a parking lane), in the right lane.. I saw a parked car ahead, then on the other side of that, the tale section of a crown vic, and headlights. I wasnt' going to fast, but not sure if i was going slow enough to stop, but sure enough.. as I was passing the car, the crown vic (wait i think it was a caprice) was pulling out of the parking lot. I immediately hit a far left lean (and my air horn), no traffic, crossed over the double yellow line, and at the same time the caprice pulled out blocking both of my legal lanes , and stopped, short of hiting me. WHEW! thank goodness for being prepared and trusting the car to do the wrong thing. Thankfully the driver wasn't driving wildly doing any peel outs or excessive accelleration or i'd be making a claim right now and picking colors on what gixxer 750 I would like heh. I don't really blame the car though..the parked car blocked his view of me.. The by standers were probably like "woah he almost got creamed, good think he can handle that bike" hehe. BTW a zx7 went down last week, an exhaust system from an automobile came off, a car tried to avoid it, hit it, and sent it flying towards the zx7. The rider leaned trying to avoid it, it took out the front wheel and down he went. Minor damage was to the bike, and the rider wasn't too bad either.. although he was said ot have been laying face down on 495. I guess that's enough emphasis for my point.. be ready to hop over more than one lane when the sh@# hit's the fan. One lane may not nearly be enough. I try to be aware of where the trafic is in all lanes around me. Just thought i'd share the idea for those who may not have thought about it. hey ya know.. this paranoia I had before riding is now comign in handy lol. I like how I'm paranoid about 18 wheelers kicking off some tire tread.. and I try not to ride behind them or in the lane next to them.. or if there is no lane 1 farther over, then I'll speed past them and stay in front. maybe we should make a list of do's/don'ts/ things to watch out for, on the dc-cycles.org homepage.. not everyone on the list has the experience and wisdom of the elders and it could benifit others :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 07:36:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DBa5829093 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713113557.13919.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:35:57 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 04:35:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Light flashing!? To: Corbett B , chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And I thought I was the only one to do this... I'm with you though, I keep very aware of my surroundings and notice people coming up and move to the right, that is if they just happen to be going faster then me! Glenn --- Corbett B wrote: > You know, I almost never have a tailgate > problem...I'm > either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of an > "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him > reaching > my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) If > I'm > stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move to > his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" > car > coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the > tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater > will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just > fade back and watch the show develop... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 07:58:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DBw5829391 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-18.patriot.net [209.249.180.18]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DBvjs21267; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:57:47 -0400 Message-ID: <396DAD13.CF508734@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:50:43 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Corbett B , chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Light flashing!? References: <20000713113557.13919.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nope, me too. Commuting or tooling down the hiwy for parts unknown and distant, I amuse myself by laying back and observing stupid driving tricks in action. I shouldn't admit it but I often provide commentary. "Oh, man, whada dumbass!" Or "Yeah, go for it asshole, come on, kick it!" *crunch* har har har Umm... yes, I do get a bit of evil statisfaction seeing a jerk bend upo his/her cage. Best of last year was Ms Makeup Queen who launched her econo-box onto 395 without a clue, sideswiped Abdul's taxi, spun around, and slid backwards along the jersey barriar - sparks and metal screeching - AND, Ms Makeup Queen with a surprised look, lipstick still in her paw... Methinks she was having a bad hair day :-) Bill Glenn Dysart wrote: > And I thought I was the only one to do this... I'm > with you though, I keep very aware of my surroundings > and notice people coming up and move to the right, > that is if they just happen to be going faster then > me! > > Glenn > > --- Corbett B wrote: > > You know, I almost never have a tailgate > > problem...I'm > > either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of an > > "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him > > reaching > > my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) If > > I'm > > stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move to > > his/her right.. I generally let that "overtaking" > > car > > coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the > > tailgating for me. With a little luck the tailgater > > will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can just > > fade back and watch the show develop... > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 08:03:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.lmi.org (home.lmi.org [198.3.128.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DC3J829488 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.lmi.org ([10.0.0.2]) by home.lmi.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:03:09 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mail.lmi.org (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5) id AA963489789; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:03:10 -0400 Message-Id: <0007139634.AA963489789@mail.lmi.org> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.31.00.5 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:01:00 -0400 From: "Brian Roberson" To: Subject: RE: Intercounty Connector MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" This is true - we did vote Glendening in twice now, but it doesn't hold true to the whole democratic party. Let me set the record straight first - that I am a republican and voted for the other candidate. Doug Duncan - montgomery county executive has long been a fan of building this connector.. Being a staunch democrat he has opposed openly Glendenings failure to recognize the importance of this connector.. Anyways.. Just my .01 cent. Brian -----Original Message----- From: at INTERNET Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 4:44 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX at INTERNET Subject: Intercounty Connector In a message dated 7/11/00 12:17:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << and > they still can't pass the intercounty connector in Montgomery County to > alleviate the traffic on 495 at the spur. >> Actually, the reason the inter county connector has not passed is because of us, the public. The inter county connector is a key plank in the political platform of one political party and opposed by the other party. The last Maryland Governors race held that as an issue, and I believe Md went for the party opposed to the connector. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 08:08:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DC8d829577 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713120827.21596.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.8.43.134] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:08:27 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 05:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tight Squeeze Racing Subject: Re: Need help with RAM bodywork To: Danny Thompson , vfr@XXXXXX, SV650-L@XXXXXX, sv650@XXXXXX, Steve Keener , Pete Friedman , mark behlke , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Danny, This is where your imagination really has to take over. You need to envision in 3-D how this stuff will go on. Here are the guidelines I used: 1. Mount the Windscreen first. Bodywork is very flexible, and the windscreen will change the shape of the upper. I've mounted bodywork before without it, only to find that it doesn't work when the windscreen is in place. 2. Mount Upper to the front of the bike. Using some forward most point, anchor down the front of the upper. I have a graves F3 bracket that allows for a wood screw to be screwed right into it. 3. Mount each side equally. Pull on the bodywork to determine what shape you want it to take, keeping in mind that to much tauntness in some areas may cause cracking due to vibration. To mount the sides, I went to The Home Depot and found some 1/4" aluminum flat bars, and some hose clamps. Cut the bar into 4" pieces. Bend the bar to a U-shape of 1" for the legs. Affix the U-shape bar to the frame via the hose clamp. Do this for both sides. Now drill the bodywork roughly where the U-shape bar is. Now drill holes in the U-Shape bars. As the hoseclamp and U's are completely flexible, it's impossible to screw up drilling these. Put it all together. Mount the lower using the hardware provided. Use zip ties whenever possible, especially on the top part of the upper. In a crash, a zip tie will pop, allowing the bodywork to stay flexible. If bolted the bolts will rip and tear and crack and break the bodywork. Now worry about things like gauges, steering damper, brake lines, exhaust clearance, handlebar clearance, etc, etc, etc. Good luck. --- Danny Thompson wrote: > I need some good pictures and advice on how to install the RAM > bodywork on > my SV. Can anyone give me any suggestions. I don't even know how it > attaches > to the bike, is it just attached with the fairing stay in the front? > If so > where? If not where else? What about the tailsection, how does it > attach? Do > you have to modify the stock rear subframe to attach it? > Please help me. > Danny > '99 VFR (for sale) > '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) > Novice #903 > www.onewayracing.org > > Sponsored by: > Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 > Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 09:12:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DDCV800702 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713131223.914.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:12:23 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:12:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Light flashing!? To: Bill Huson , dysart@XXXXXX Cc: Corbett B , chris.weaver@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oh yes, the ever so often mergers that yield the right of way and don't signal or that merge in 65 MPH traffic @ 35. I love those too. I find them to be the worst at the two similar I-395 interchanges Duke and Edsall. People coming from east Edsall or east Duke NEVER yield to people coming from west that have the right of way. Glenn --- Bill Huson wrote: > Nope, me too. Commuting or tooling down the hiwy > for parts unknown and > distant, I amuse myself by laying back and observing > stupid driving > tricks in action. I shouldn't admit it but I often > provide commentary. > "Oh, man, whada dumbass!" Or "Yeah, go for it > asshole, come on, kick > it!" *crunch* har har har Umm... yes, I do get a > bit of evil > statisfaction seeing a jerk bend upo his/her cage. > Best of last year > was Ms Makeup Queen who launched her econo-box onto > 395 without a clue, > sideswiped Abdul's taxi, spun around, and slid > backwards along the > jersey barriar - sparks and metal screeching - AND, > Ms Makeup Queen > with a surprised look, lipstick still in her paw... > Methinks she was > having a bad hair day :-) > > Bill > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > And I thought I was the only one to do this... > I'm > > with you though, I keep very aware of my > surroundings > > and notice people coming up and move to the right, > > that is if they just happen to be going faster > then > > me! > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Corbett B wrote: > > > You know, I almost never have a tailgate > > > problem...I'm > > > either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of > an > > > "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him > > > reaching > > > my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) > If > > > I'm > > > stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move > to > > > his/her right.. I generally let that > "overtaking" > > > car > > > coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the > > > tailgating for me. With a little luck the > tailgater > > > will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can > just > > > fade back and watch the show develop... > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 09:33:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DDXw801010 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DA3@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Corbett B'" , "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: SUV fixation Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:26:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hey now.....Kristina is a smart cookie and has plenty of time to ride her bike. Just because she is actually informed about an issue (like most people on this list-NOT) don't give her grief. mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:11 PM > To: Kristina M. Rogish; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: SUV fixation > > Damn Girl, are we still fixating on SUV's? > Yeah, there's an insurance penalty, it comes with > driving ANY expensive vehicle. > Turnover rates? Transportation Safety Studies? Sure > you still have time to ride your B-I-K-E? > > -Corbett '93 Montero SUK > > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems > > to insuring them. > > > > > > > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover > > rate of SUV's is so much > > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that > > transportation safety studies > > are continually proving that although thought to be > > bigger/better (a man's > > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 09:40:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DDe1801094 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNVK0>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:39:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Light flashing/Habitual Traffic Mistakes Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:39:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My favorite areas of blatant disregard for traffic rules are on traffic circles. Example 1, coming from Arlington around Memorial Circle, there's always all kinds of rule-breaking idiots, who then get angry when they are not let in at the top of the queue. This situation isn't helped by the police blocking off lanes between 7am and 9am, but virtually every car there as VA plates and should know better. Example 2, is Washington Circle into which 23rd St deposits in DC. If you're coming from the other side (i.e. New Hampshire, K St. or whatever), the people coming in from M St. NEVER yield to traffic in the circle, despite a huge YIELD sign. Next time you have a car you want to replace, just drive around that circle until you see a nice car that you know has good insurance, and just go barreling into it. It will be the other guy's fault because they didn't follow the traffic pattern! What a joke. And the cops don't seem to care about gross violations in either circle, except for when there's a fender bender, and five police cruisers show up, and everybody stands around scratching their heads, further blocking traffic. Ugh. Bests, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 9:12 AM To: Bill Huson; dysart@XXXXXX Cc: Corbett B; chris.weaver@XXXXXX; DC Cycles Subject: Re: Light flashing!? Oh yes, the ever so often mergers that yield the right of way and don't signal or that merge in 65 MPH traffic @ 35. I love those too. I find them to be the worst at the two similar I-395 interchanges Duke and Edsall. People coming from east Edsall or east Duke NEVER yield to people coming from west that have the right of way. Glenn --- Bill Huson wrote: > Nope, me too. Commuting or tooling down the hiwy > for parts unknown and > distant, I amuse myself by laying back and observing > stupid driving > tricks in action. I shouldn't admit it but I often > provide commentary. > "Oh, man, whada dumbass!" Or "Yeah, go for it > asshole, come on, kick > it!" *crunch* har har har Umm... yes, I do get a > bit of evil > statisfaction seeing a jerk bend upo his/her cage. > Best of last year > was Ms Makeup Queen who launched her econo-box onto > 395 without a clue, > sideswiped Abdul's taxi, spun around, and slid > backwards along the > jersey barriar - sparks and metal screeching - AND, > Ms Makeup Queen > with a surprised look, lipstick still in her paw... > Methinks she was > having a bad hair day :-) > > Bill > > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > And I thought I was the only one to do this... > I'm > > with you though, I keep very aware of my > surroundings > > and notice people coming up and move to the right, > > that is if they just happen to be going faster > then > > me! > > > > Glenn > > > > --- Corbett B wrote: > > > You know, I almost never have a tailgate > > > problem...I'm > > > either passing traffic -or- I've moved out of > an > > > "overtaking" car's way FAR in advance of him > > > reaching > > > my tail..(He/she never has to hit the brakes.) > If > > > I'm > > > stuck behind a left lane hog who refuses to move > to > > > his/her right.. I generally let that > "overtaking" > > > car > > > coming up quickly behind me pass, and do all the > > > tailgating for me. With a little luck the > tailgater > > > will be a dump truck or panel van...and I can > just > > > fade back and watch the show develop... > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 09:44:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DDiU801180 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26639; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000713094201.009f4710@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:45:15 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , "'Corbett B'" , "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: SUV fixation In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DA3@qsi-tysons.qualitys trategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ok, gotta jump in here. Was just about run over this morning by a damn LAND ROVER. I swear, I have personally noticed that SUV drivers are the ones most likely to almost run me over. No turn signals, just moving into my lane whenever they feel like it. GAWD, it makes me MAD!!!! I hate the "I'm bigger, just move the f*^( over!" attitude that some larger vehicle drivers have. Oh, and I drive a truck, so I'm not just aimlessly flaming. I use my turn signals. What a novel idea! Luckily his window was down. I find that my voice works wonders at saving my ass!!! LOL I yelled, "WOAH, WATCH WHERE YOU'RE GOING!!!" He heard, looked at me, and went back into his own damn lane. Would've been nice to get an apology....hoping for WAY TOO MUCH, I know. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:26 AM 7/13/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Hey now.....Kristina is a smart cookie and has plenty of time to ride her >bike. Just because she is actually informed about an issue (like most >people on this list-NOT) don't give her grief. > >mark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:11 PM >> To: Kristina M. Rogish; DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: SUV fixation >> >> Damn Girl, are we still fixating on SUV's? >> Yeah, there's an insurance penalty, it comes with >> driving ANY expensive vehicle. >> Turnover rates? Transportation Safety Studies? Sure >> you still have time to ride your B-I-K-E? >> >> -Corbett '93 Montero SUK >> >> --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: >> > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems >> > to insuring them. >> > > >> > >> > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover >> > rate of SUV's is so much >> > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that >> > transportation safety studies >> > are continually proving that although thought to be >> > bigger/better (a man's >> > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >> http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 09:52:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DDq8801348 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA853435 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396DC969.6D1C0458@radix.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:51:37 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Light flashing/Habitual Traffic Mistakes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eschelzig@XXXXXX wrote: > > My favorite areas of blatant disregard for traffic rules are on traffic > circles. Probably not helped by the fact that the 'rules' vary from state to state, country to country, etc... > > Example 1, coming from Arlington around Memorial Circle, there's always all > kinds of rule-breaking idiots, who then get angry when they are not let in > at the top of the queue. This situation isn't helped by the police blocking > off lanes between 7am and 9am, but virtually every car there as VA plates > and should know better. Traffic circles. that idea ranks right up there with income tax... I think traffic circles are thought up by people who will NEVER have to use them... > > Example 2, is Washington Circle into which 23rd St deposits in DC. If > you're coming from the other side (i.e. New Hampshire, K St. or whatever), > the people coming in from M St. NEVER yield to traffic in the circle, > despite a huge YIELD sign. Next time you have a car you want to replace, > just drive around that circle until you see a nice car that you know has > good insurance, and just go barreling into it. It will be the other guy's > fault because they didn't follow the traffic pattern! What a joke. But what's NOT a joke is that it's just as likely that the other driver won't have insurance ; DC has a pretty healthy uninsured motorist population. > > And the cops don't seem to care about gross violations in either circle, > except for when there's a fender bender, and five police cruisers show up, > and everybody stands around scratching their heads, further blocking > traffic. > > Ugh. Yup, that about sums it up. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 09:53:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DDrK801368 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13CjQ0-000682-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:52:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:53:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: Corbett B cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: broken bones In-Reply-To: <20000713044246.14822.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Corbett B wrote: > --XRAY Technicians are bitter people..they like to > poke and prod you into sitting still on basically a > bar stool in front of a screen...not caring if they're > grabbing you by the hurt shoulder or not..IF YOU EVER > have the misfortune to visit one..DO YOURSELF A FAVOR, > BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM FIRST WITH YOUR "GOOD" ARM. > It's been propably 8 years and I'm still pissed at > that weasle. > That's so true. I had to slug my XRAY technician after he reapeatedly grabbed my broken shoulder after an accident in which i was tossed out of an MG. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 09:59:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DDxk801466 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13CjVh-00005X-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:58:41 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J0516W; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:51:17 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Jeannette Zell" , "Mark Kitchell" , "'Corbett B'" , "Kristina M. Rogish" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: SUV fixation Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:00:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000713094201.009f4710@intertv.com> It's not just the SUVs, it's the fact that in this area no one seems to LOOK for other cars, never mind motorcycles. I've been nearly smushed the same way while riding with my husband (he has a sport bike and I have a cruiser that goes 0-60 in about 5 minutes!). He took off up a hill, and my bike was just getting warmed up to decide to go up the hill, and the guy in the car next to me, decided he was going to take off after my husband. He pulled ENTIRELY into my lane before realizing I was there. When he did realize it, he pulled all the way back into the lane he left (like at that point it would have made a difference). This car was a Civic or something small!! -----Original Message----- From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:45 AM To: Mark Kitchell; 'Corbett B'; Kristina M. Rogish; DC Cycles Subject: RE: SUV fixation Ok, gotta jump in here. Was just about run over this morning by a damn LAND ROVER. I swear, I have personally noticed that SUV drivers are the ones most likely to almost run me over. No turn signals, just moving into my lane whenever they feel like it. GAWD, it makes me MAD!!!! I hate the "I'm bigger, just move the f*^( over!" attitude that some larger vehicle drivers have. Oh, and I drive a truck, so I'm not just aimlessly flaming. I use my turn signals. What a novel idea! Luckily his window was down. I find that my voice works wonders at saving my ass!!! LOL I yelled, "WOAH, WATCH WHERE YOU'RE GOING!!!" He heard, looked at me, and went back into his own damn lane. Would've been nice to get an apology....hoping for WAY TOO MUCH, I know. ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:26 AM 7/13/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Hey now.....Kristina is a smart cookie and has plenty of time to ride her >bike. Just because she is actually informed about an issue (like most >people on this list-NOT) don't give her grief. > >mark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:11 PM >> To: Kristina M. Rogish; DC Cycles >> Subject: Re: SUV fixation >> >> Damn Girl, are we still fixating on SUV's? >> Yeah, there's an insurance penalty, it comes with >> driving ANY expensive vehicle. >> Turnover rates? Transportation Safety Studies? Sure >> you still have time to ride your B-I-K-E? >> >> -Corbett '93 Montero SUK >> >> --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: >> > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems >> > to insuring them. >> > > >> > >> > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover >> > rate of SUV's is so much >> > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that >> > transportation safety studies >> > are continually proving that although thought to be >> > bigger/better (a man's >> > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >> http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:02:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DE2o801591 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DE2hp19463 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: SUV fixation In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000713094201.009f4710@intertv.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Jeannette Zell wrote: > I hate the "I'm bigger, just move the f*^( over!" attitude that some > larger vehicle drivers have. I've got an old rusty full size chevy pickup. The SUV folks with the "I'm bigger..." attitude attempt to push me around not only when I'm on the bike but also when in the old truck. They get a bit of a shock when they realize that not only am I not giving way I'm actually swerving towards them. :) A lot of them really aren't oblivious to their surroundings. When you start heading towards them (staying in your lane, of course) they notice right away. They really are just trying to push their way through traffic. Nothing like a rusty old truck to set them straight (or a 78 LeSabre, my previous vehicle of choice for such things). Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:07:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DE71801722 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:06:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200007131006.AA140771694@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Biker attacks truck, truck wins X-Mailer: Trucker raged over tossed rocks? He told dispatcher he'd retaliate if motorcyclist pelted truck http://www.sacbee.com/news/news/local10_20000708.html Modesto Bee (Published July 8, 2000) Truck driver John Fagundes, anticipating an intensified feud with a motorcyclist on Highway 99, told a 911 dispatcher that he would retaliate if the man threw rocks at his rig. "The first rock he throws will be the last rock he throws at me," Fagundes, 45, told the dispatcher at 2:59 p.m. Wednesday. "I'm in a big 18-wheeler." Eleven minutes later, police said, Fagundes crashed into the Harley-Davidson on a Highway 99 offramp in Modesto. Motorcyclist Michael McLatchy was thrown over the truck's hood and his right leg was severed at the knee. Investigators are puzzled as to how two men with no criminal pasts got enmeshed in the most extreme road rage crash in memory in Stanislaus County. McLatchy, 30, of Stockton has been a hard-working tradesman, friends said. Fagundes, an independent trucker from Turlock, apparently has a good driving record, although neighbors said he has behaved strangely since being treated for a brain tumor several years ago. Fagundes was arraigned Friday on a charge of attempted murder. He remained in Stanislaus County jail in lieu of $500,000 bail. McLatchy is "still in serious condition and he's medicated," Detective Alan Carter said, so he's been unable to give his account to police. Fagundes told The Modesto Bee that McLatchy pulled in front of him, slowed down and made an obscene gesture. He said McLatchy then stopped to gather rocks, caught up with the trucker and pelted the truck. The incident ended when McLatchy exited at Vintage Faire Mall, and Fagundes ran him down on the offramp, police said. Friends believe McLatchy might have made an obscene gesture over a highway slight, but they added that the alleged rock-throwing didn't sound like their friend. Fagundes' arrest did not shock his neighbors, who said he hasn't been the same since he had a brain tumor removed. "He has these temper fits," said neighbor Jo Ann Hickman. "I think it's because of the illness. Several drivers said truckers discussed the incident for most the day on their CB radios. According to Jerry Hickman, one trucker on the radio said Fagundes had tried to pick up a load of lumber in Sacramento and was turned away, apparently because of his attitude. "He may have already been having a bad day when he came across the motorcyclist," he said. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:08:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DE8m801862 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10451 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:08:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000713100742.00cd4750@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:08:38 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Circles? You got circles? In-Reply-To: <396DC969.6D1C0458@radix.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:51 AM 7/13/00 , Dave Yates wrote: > Traffic circles. that idea ranks right up there with income > tax... I >think traffic circles are thought up by people who will NEVER have to >use them... When properly implemented (Europe) they keep traffic moving. Much better than traffic lights. No wave of stop and go. More or a constant crawl. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:13:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DECq802039 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA27234; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000713101141.00a00f00@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:13:14 -0400 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: SUV fixation In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20000713094201.009f4710@intertv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, I thought I was the only one who did that! I'll come as close to them as I can without hitting them as they're coming OVER THEIR LINE and then they're like, "Oh, jeez, what a bitch." Yeah, whatever. You're in MY LANE, buddy. I once dated a guy who openly said that people would move out of his way 'cause his vehicle was bigger. WHATEVER. Some Freudian cause for this? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 >I've got an old rusty full size chevy pickup. The SUV folks with the "I'm >bigger..." attitude attempt to push me around not only when I'm on >the bike but also when in the old truck. They get a bit of a shock when >they realize that not only am I not giving way I'm actually swerving >towards them. :) A lot of them really aren't oblivious to their >surroundings. When you start heading towards them (staying in your lane, >of course) they notice right away. They really are just trying to push >their way through traffic. Nothing like a rusty old truck to set them >straight (or a 78 LeSabre, my previous vehicle of choice for such things). > >Kirk >2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) >1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) >DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: > http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:15:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DEFP802148 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DAA@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Michiko Oishi'" , Jeannette Zell , Mark Kitchell , "'Corbett B'" , "Kristina M. Rogish" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: SUV fixation Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:07:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Lets be honest here...most people in this area (and many other areas of the country) just can't drive very well. The reasons are a combination of the increasingly careless and mean nature of our culture (road rage) and the laughable licensing system that each of us go through. Really, any moron can get a drivers license with virtually no training. As motorcyclists, most of us are better drivers because we have to in order to survive. I know that riding has made me a much better car driver. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Michiko Oishi [SMTP:moishi@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 11:00 AM > To: Jeannette Zell; Mark Kitchell; 'Corbett B'; Kristina M. Rogish; DC > Cycles > Subject: RE: SUV fixation > > It's not just the SUVs, it's the fact that in this area no one seems to > LOOK > for other cars, never mind motorcycles. I've been nearly smushed the same > way while riding with my husband (he has a sport bike and I have a cruiser > that goes 0-60 in about 5 minutes!). He took off up a hill, and my bike > was > just getting warmed up to decide to go up the hill, and the guy in the car > next to me, decided he was going to take off after my husband. He pulled > ENTIRELY into my lane before realizing I was there. When he did realize > it, > he pulled all the way back into the lane he left (like at that point it > would have made a difference). This car was a Civic or something small!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Zell [mailto:jzell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:45 AM > To: Mark Kitchell; 'Corbett B'; Kristina M. Rogish; DC Cycles > Subject: RE: SUV fixation > > > Ok, gotta jump in here. Was just about run over this morning by a damn > LAND ROVER. I swear, I have personally noticed that SUV drivers are the > ones most likely to almost run me over. No turn signals, just moving into > my lane whenever they feel like it. GAWD, it makes me MAD!!!! > I hate the "I'm bigger, just move the f*^( over!" attitude that some > larger > vehicle drivers have. > Oh, and I drive a truck, so I'm not just aimlessly flaming. I use my turn > signals. What a novel idea! > > Luckily his window was down. I find that my voice works wonders at saving > my ass!!! LOL > I yelled, "WOAH, WATCH WHERE YOU'RE GOING!!!" He heard, looked at me, and > went back into his own damn lane. Would've been nice to get an > apology....hoping for WAY TOO MUCH, I know. ; ) > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 09:26 AM 7/13/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote: > >Hey now.....Kristina is a smart cookie and has plenty of time to ride her > >bike. Just because she is actually informed about an issue (like most > >people on this list-NOT) don't give her grief. > > > >mark > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:11 PM > >> To: Kristina M. Rogish; DC Cycles > >> Subject: Re: SUV fixation > >> > >> Damn Girl, are we still fixating on SUV's? > >> Yeah, there's an insurance penalty, it comes with > >> driving ANY expensive vehicle. > >> Turnover rates? Transportation Safety Studies? Sure > >> you still have time to ride your B-I-K-E? > >> > >> -Corbett '93 Montero SUK > >> > >> --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > >> > > I wonder if there is an SUV penalty when it coems > >> > to insuring them. > >> > > > >> > > >> > I don't know, but there should be. The turnover > >> > rate of SUV's is so much > >> > greater than any other vehicle on the road, that > >> > transportation safety studies > >> > are continually proving that although thought to be > >> > bigger/better (a man's > >> > world?), they're actually less safe.... hmm..... > >> > > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > >> http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:15:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DEFv802185 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA851913 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396DCF06.175C0027@radix.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:15:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > It's not just the SUVs, it's the fact that in this area no one seems to LOOK > for other cars, never mind motorcycles. Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. SIPDE. I've been nearly smushed the same > way while riding with my husband (he has a sport bike and I have a cruiser > that goes 0-60 in about 5 minutes!). He took off up a hill, and my bike was > just getting warmed up to decide to go up the hill, and the guy in the car > next to me, decided he was going to take off after my husband. He pulled > ENTIRELY into my lane before realizing I was there. When he did realize it, > he pulled all the way back into the lane he left (like at that point it > would have made a difference). This car was a Civic or something small!! While not every cager is your enemy, if they're not, they're oblivious to your presence. In some situations, you need to become visible to them or be out of their way ; this is one of them. Use ANYTHING you can to stay out of blind spots, & away from groups of cars - because inevitably, there's one cage that just HAS to pass the rest of the group.... Vary your lane position, speed up, slow down, weave, use your horn or high beam, watch the driver's head position, see if they're drifting toward the next lane, & just basically stay out of the cager's potential paths. All this, & they still try to mush you... *sigh*. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:19:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DEJv802289 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA854424 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396DCFF6.8F78518C@radix.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:19:34 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles? You got circles? References: <4.2.0.58.20000713100742.00cd4750@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Troutman wrote: > > When properly implemented (Europe) they keep traffic moving. Much better > than traffic lights. No wave of stop and go. More or a constant crawl. Different culture of driving than here. It may work well in Europe, but the attitude is different there. I like the concept or idea ; no dead stop, but if you look at NJ, some of them back up WAY worse than a traffic light... I know, I know - NJ... what do you expect... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:25:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DEP1802415 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01323; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003301bfecd6$92cb0b80$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: , "List-dc cycles" References: <200007131006.AA140771694@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:28:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 And that is why it is always best to just plain shrug off a person's driving mistakes than to take action... like flipping the bird or whatever. You never know whqat someone is thinking! Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Norloff" To: "List-dc cycles" Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:06 AM Subject: Biker attacks truck, truck wins > Trucker raged over tossed rocks? He told dispatcher he'd retaliate if motorcyclist pelted truck > http://www.sacbee.com/news/news/local10_20000708.html > > Modesto Bee > (Published July 8, 2000) > > Truck driver John Fagundes, anticipating an intensified feud with a motorcyclist on Highway 99, told a 911 dispatcher that he would retaliate if the man threw rocks at his rig. > "The first rock he throws will be the last rock he throws at me," Fagundes, 45, told the dispatcher at 2:59 p.m. Wednesday. "I'm in a big 18-wheeler." > > Eleven minutes later, police said, Fagundes crashed into the Harley-Davidson on a Highway 99 offramp in Modesto. Motorcyclist Michael McLatchy was thrown over the truck's hood and his right leg was severed at the knee. > > Investigators are puzzled as to how two men with no criminal pasts got enmeshed in the most extreme road rage crash in memory in Stanislaus County. > > McLatchy, 30, of Stockton has been a hard-working tradesman, friends said. > > Fagundes, an independent trucker from Turlock, apparently has a good driving record, although neighbors said he has behaved strangely since being treated for a brain tumor several years ago. > > Fagundes was arraigned Friday on a charge of attempted murder. He remained in Stanislaus County jail in lieu of $500,000 bail. > > McLatchy is "still in serious condition and he's medicated," Detective Alan Carter said, so he's been unable to give his account to police. > > Fagundes told The Modesto Bee that McLatchy pulled in front of him, slowed down and made an obscene gesture. He said McLatchy then stopped to gather rocks, caught up with the trucker and pelted the truck. > > The incident ended when McLatchy exited at Vintage Faire Mall, and Fagundes ran him down on the offramp, police said. > > Friends believe McLatchy might have made an obscene gesture over a highway slight, but they added that the alleged rock-throwing didn't sound like their friend. > > Fagundes' arrest did not shock his neighbors, who said he hasn't been the same since he had a brain tumor removed. > > "He has these temper fits," said neighbor Jo Ann Hickman. "I think it's because of the illness. > > Several drivers said truckers discussed the incident for most the day on their CB radios. According to Jerry Hickman, one trucker on the radio said Fagundes had tried to pick up a load of lumber in Sacramento and was turned away, apparently because of his attitude. > > "He may have already been having a bad day when he came across the motorcyclist," he said. > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:42:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DEgI802970 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13CkBj-0004DU-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:42:07 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J0518J; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:34:44 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Dave Yates" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: SUV fixation Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:43:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <396DCF06.175C0027@radix.net> Wasn't Howard Stern's position to put everyone on motorcycles for 2 years, and see how their attitudes change? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 9:16 AM Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation Michiko Oishi wrote: > > It's not just the SUVs, it's the fact that in this area no one seems to LOOK > for other cars, never mind motorcycles. Scan, Identify, Predict, Decide, Execute. SIPDE. I've been nearly smushed the same > way while riding with my husband (he has a sport bike and I have a cruiser > that goes 0-60 in about 5 minutes!). He took off up a hill, and my bike was > just getting warmed up to decide to go up the hill, and the guy in the car > next to me, decided he was going to take off after my husband. He pulled > ENTIRELY into my lane before realizing I was there. When he did realize it, > he pulled all the way back into the lane he left (like at that point it > would have made a difference). This car was a Civic or something small!! While not every cager is your enemy, if they're not, they're oblivious to your presence. In some situations, you need to become visible to them or be out of their way ; this is one of them. Use ANYTHING you can to stay out of blind spots, & away from groups of cars - because inevitably, there's one cage that just HAS to pass the rest of the group.... Vary your lane position, speed up, slow down, weave, use your horn or high beam, watch the driver's head position, see if they're drifting toward the next lane, & just basically stay out of the cager's potential paths. All this, & they still try to mush you... *sigh*. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 10:51:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DEp8803166 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA791009 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396DD746.E5CAD2ED@radix.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:50:46 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > Wasn't Howard Stern's position to put everyone on motorcycles for 2 years, > and see how their attitudes change? That's do-able ; we could adopt the Euro graduated CC license, say, starting at 50 CC's for 6 months - this 50 CC's car, truck or bike... & up from there. In this way, we could 'thin the SUV' herd, teenage drivers wouldn't be too much of a problem, since their screw ups would likely only ruin their own days. I'm not a big Stern fan, but hey, maybe it could work... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 11:37:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DFba803925 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.c3.7466c8e (3964) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:37:19 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:37:18 EDT Subject: Re: SUV fixation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 I have fun with this one as well... having to haul a trailer around for racing, I own a truck. It's a rather large truck, as I went whole-hog and got the 4x4 package, etc. If I'm next to an average SUV (Cheroke, rodeo, four runner, etc) their roof sits at about the level of my shoulders. It's rather amusing when they aren't paying attention, or are doing something stupid and I stick the nose of the thing about 10 inches from their face (staying in my lane, of course). Suddenly their "macho" SUV is not so big and tough anymore... feels more like the station wagon that it really is. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 11:46:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DFkm804209 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13784; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.162.220]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2c) with ESMTP id 2000071311462779:6274 ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:46:27 -0400 Message-ID: <396DE3C0.CE9783BB@mitretek.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:44:02 -0400 From: Kristina Rogish X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Mass Transit References: <20000713031415.3835.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/13/2000 11:46:28 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/13/2000 11:46:29 AM, Serialize complete at 07/13/2000 11:46:29 AM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2A253B6C69BD40ED89FB3EEC" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2A253B6C69BD40ED89FB3EEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Sorry about the fixation (I guess we all have to be fixated on SOMEthing!)... I might get some degree of shyte for this, but I'm a civil engineer, and was (repeat WAS) in the process of getting my MS in transportation.... my research proposal for a paper was on the unsafeness of SUV's due to the high rollover rate and weight/height/size differential of vehicles on the road.... so, I'm done with it now... sorry. On a brighter note, did anyone else go to the DC United game last night? ;-) -Kristina Corbett B wrote: > --- "Kristina M. Rogish" wrote: > > I meant, "rollover", not turnover......... sorry. > > > > Anyway you want it honey. ;-) > > -Corbett > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ --------------2A253B6C69BD40ED89FB3EEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="krogish.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Kristina Rogish Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="krogish.vcf" begin:vcard n:; tel;fax:(202) 863-2988 tel;work:(202) 488-3033 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Mitretek Systems;ITS Division version:2.1 email;internet:krogish@XXXXXX title:Senior Transportation Engineer adr;quoted-printable:;;600 Maryland Ave, SW=0D=0A;Suite 755;Washington, DC;20024; fn:Kristina Rogish end:vcard --------------2A253B6C69BD40ED89FB3EEC-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 12:37:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DGbn805495 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713163741.29771.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.71] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:37:41 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: SUV fixation To: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marky My Man, I'm not questioning her intelligence. I'm challenging her unfounded hatred of SUV's, so SWEET of you to stick up for her though (chivalry is NOT dead.) Besides her "facts" are not facts its all RHETORIC. You and I both know that statistics, no matter how "pure" can be manipulated to prove or disprove one's case by creative semantics. Therefore, if you can't make your case DAZZLE 'em with bullshit. Now, back on the bench. Game on. :-) -Corbett --- Mark Kitchell wrote: > Hey now.....Kristina is a smart cookie and has > plenty of time to ride her > bike. Just because she is actually informed about > an issue (like most > people on this list-NOT) don't give her grief. > > mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Corbett B [SMTP:corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:11 PM > > To: Kristina M. Rogish; DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: SUV fixation > > > > Damn Girl, are we still fixating on SUV's? > > Yeah, there's an insurance penalty, it comes with > > driving ANY expensive vehicle. > > Turnover rates? Transportation Safety Studies? > Sure > > you still have time to ride your B-I-K-E? > > > > -Corbett '93 Montero SUK > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 12:41:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DGfZ805526 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713164124.4124.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:41:24 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles? You got circles? To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I disagree, the traffic circles that NJ has (like on US 130) are way better then the way we move traffic here. I'm referring to the circles that only allow one traffic cycle and keep the "main" road moving better. There are no left turns thus one less flow of traffic that needs to be moved. I wish we had them here like on US 50 going through Chantilly, they would be an excellent choice. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > Different culture of driving than here. It may > work well in Europe, > but the attitude is different there. I like the > concept or idea ; no > dead stop, but if you look at NJ, some of them back > up WAY worse than a > traffic light... I know, I know - NJ... what do > you expect... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 12:54:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DGsm805746 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA749749 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396DF440.BCC5C659@radix.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:54:24 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles? You got circles? References: <20000713164124.4124.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > > I disagree, the traffic circles that NJ has (like on > US 130) are way better then the way we move traffic > here. I'm referring to the circles that only allow > one traffic cycle and keep the "main" road moving > better. There are no left turns thus one less flow of > traffic that needs to be moved. I wish we had them > here like on US 50 going through Chantilly, they would > be an excellent choice. Really ? 130 ? I was just up there over the 4th of July weekend, & had occasion to travel 130 through 2 circles. The backups they produced rivaled ANY of longest, most inoperative traffic lights we have in the DC Metro areas. Of course, that was Holiday & beach traffic, but it was hideous, nonetheless... I just can't get used to those damn Mug Handle things for left turns... I don't think they'd work around here, where else would the SUV driver's put on their makeup while talking on their cell phone if there weren't any lights ;-) -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:15:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DHFN806126 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 18442 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2000 10:15:14 -0700 Date: 13 Jul 2000 10:15:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20000713171514.18441.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Jul 2000 17:15:14 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Jul 2000 10:15:14 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX;, michelle.kaston@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Well, after the great time we had on Saturday for the girls' ride, we're ready to do it again. We decided the girls' ride would be every other month, so August will be the group ride month. Let me give you the details of the way this ride would go, that way we can find out how many people are interested before we organize it. What typically happens is an experienced leader will lead the ride at a slow/moderate pace (those are the key words). We aren't looking for anyone out to race to the finish line. just people who want to enjoy a day of riding some good roads and meeting some new people. Behind the leader will be a newbie, who tends to set the pace for the rest of the group. after that we typically mix up the newbies and experienced riders, with an experienced rider to sweep the ride. Only the leader needs the ride sheet because we're never going fast enough to leave anyone behind. We stopped about twice for gas and rest, and then we stopped somewhere for lunch. If we get a lot of interest in a slower paced ride, we may split the ride into two decent sized groups for safety purposes. We had six girls on the ride. With a small group we had no problems keeping everyone together when we hit traffic, stoplights, etc. The ride would take approximately three to four hours and would be on a weekend. What do I need from you all? 1. Who would be interested in a lazy, scenery-filled ride with us girls? 2. Who would volunteer to lead? once I find out how many people want to go, we'll pick a date. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:25:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DHPo806284 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29246 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2000 17:26:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 17:26:03 -0000 Message-ID: <396DFB70.CB680C5D@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:25:04 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michiko Oishi CC: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > Wasn't Howard Stern's position to put everyone on motorcycles for 2 years, > and see how their attitudes change? But there are some folks who just do not belong on motorcycles... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:30:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (web3604.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.99]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DHUB806479 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713173001.24201.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:30:01 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Circles? You got circles? To: Dave Yates Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sure, I think they work way better. Its pretty simple they they eliminate one set of traffic lights that cross over the main travel route. I agree with you that it took me some time to get used to them (hated them at first) but seeing how they work I think they are much better. And I've never seem them backup as bad as lights like Beauregard & Duke Street, the Hummer Road/Annandale Road/Gallows Road Intersection, or the Lee Highway and Gallows Road intersection in Merrifield. And there are many more other nightmare intersections in Northern VA. Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Really ? 130 ? I was just up there over the 4th of > July weekend, & had > occasion to travel 130 through 2 circles. The > backups they produced > rivaled ANY of longest, most inoperative traffic > lights we have in the > DC Metro areas. Of course, that was Holiday & beach > traffic, but it was > hideous, nonetheless... I just can't get used to > those damn Mug Handle > things for left turns... > I don't think they'd work around here, where else > would the SUV > driver's put on their makeup while talking on their > cell phone if there > weren't any lights ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:33:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DHX0806514 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA03076; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396DFD81.BFBC2B51@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:33:54 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cnorloff@XXXXXX CC: List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins References: <200007131006.AA140771694@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > Trucker raged over tossed rocks? He told dispatcher he'd retaliate if motorcyclist pelted truck > http://www.sacbee.com/news/news/local10_20000708.html > > Modesto Bee > (Published July 8, 2000) > I keep thinking 2 things about this story. 1, I hope the truck driver gets nailed with heavy jail time, and 2, if the Harley rider would have been on a sport bike, he could have left the truck in the dust. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:33:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DHX3806518 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01780; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000713133300.009fdd40@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:33:58 -0400 To: LAURA GRANATO , dc-cycles@XXXXXX;, michelle.kaston@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) In-Reply-To: <20000713171514.18441.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd be interested. Not in leading, though, my sense of direction sucks. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:15 AM 7/13/00 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: >1. Who would be interested in a lazy, scenery-filled ride with us girls? >2. Who would volunteer to lead? > >once I find out how many people want to go, we'll pick a date. > >Laura Granato >'99 Suzuki GS500 > > >________________________________________________ >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. >http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:36:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DHa3806609 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000713173542.13261.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.71] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:35:42 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:35:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Pave the Planet To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For Horkster, A "Pave the Planet" resource page: http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~cjs/pave/ For anyone interested, there are resources to Chrome the Moon...and Pave the Potomac. -Corbett '99K1200RS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:44:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DHi0806757 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNVVF>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: FW: Circles? You got circles? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glenn Dysart wrote: :And there are many more other nightmare :intersections in Northern VA. Not least of which is 7 Corners, which could easily be Single Circle, and might clean things up there a little. The problem, of course, is that traffic circles take up more real estate than intersections, so it's not always a viable option. Bests, Erik --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Really ? 130 ? I was just up there over the 4th of > July weekend, & had > occasion to travel 130 through 2 circles. The > backups they produced > rivaled ANY of longest, most inoperative traffic > lights we have in the > DC Metro areas. Of course, that was Holiday & beach > traffic, but it was > hideous, nonetheless... I just can't get used to > those damn Mug Handle > things for left turns... > I don't think they'd work around here, where else > would the SUV > driver's put on their makeup while talking on their > cell phone if there > weren't any lights ;-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:48:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DHmb806834 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [38.182.55.2] (helo=dopey.guident.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 13Cn4N-0003fE-00; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:46:43 -0400 Received: from baloo (38.203.255.127 [38.203.255.127]) by dopey.guident.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id N5J05FBM; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:39:20 -0400 From: "Michiko Oishi" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "Dave Yates" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: SUV fixation Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:48:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <396DFB70.CB680C5D@flashmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'll concede to that point...but wouldn't that be darwin at his finest? -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:25 PM To: Michiko Oishi Cc: Dave Yates; DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation Michiko Oishi wrote: > > Wasn't Howard Stern's position to put everyone on motorcycles for 2 years, > and see how their attitudes change? But there are some folks who just do not belong on motorcycles... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 13:59:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DHxb806991 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11124 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000713135631.00cd9c10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:27 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins In-Reply-To: <396DFD81.BFBC2B51@peabody.jhu.edu> References: <200007131006.AA140771694@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:33 PM 7/13/00 , Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > I keep thinking 2 things about this story. 1, I hope the > truck driver gets nailed with heavy jail time, and 2, if the Harley rider > would have been on a sport bike, he could have left the truck in the dust. I keep thinking one thing - if the Harley guy hadn't started THROWING ROCKS at the semi, he probably wouldn't have been chased down. Road Rage? Yes. Justified? Yes. Punishment fits the crime? No. Of course, the trucker may have made up the part about throwing rocks. Who knows. And Harleys can outrun semis as easily as cars and sportbikes. I don;t think this particular rider realized he was going to be crunched. Hard to miss a semi in your mirrors though. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 14:13:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h012.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.176]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DIDQ807235 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2492 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2000 11:13:18 -0700 Date: 13 Jul 2000 11:13:18 -0700 Message-ID: <20000713181318.2491.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 13 Jul 2000 18:13:18 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 13 Jul 2000 11:13:18 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.3.1 Subject: one clarification this ride is open to guys as well as girls! the only stipulation is you have to want to just take a relaxed ride. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 14:19:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DIJ8807342 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9464 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2000 18:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 18:06:17 -0000 Message-ID: <396E04D9.63913F9B@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:05:13 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins References: <200007131006.AA140771694@mail.toward.com> <396DFD81.BFBC2B51@peabody.jhu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Steven C. Di Pietro" wrote: > > I keep thinking 2 things about this story. 1, I hope the truck driver gets > nailed with heavy jail time, and 2, if the Harley rider would have been on a sport > bike, he could have left the truck in the dust. Not necessarily. First, I think the biker played a major part even if he didn't provoke this whole mess, he did by keeping it going. Hate to say it but he may have gotten what he deserved. Gonna be a challenge to ride now that he's missing his right leg at the knee. Second, even if the guy was on a Hayabusa and rocketed away, he probably would have taken that exit (his normal exit?) and gotten slowed down by other traffic at the exit. The truck, even if left way behind and out of sight, might have still been able to follow his movements by CB radio (don't be surprised by the info truckers share via CB) and still nailed him on the offramp. Was this tragic? Yes. Should the rider have been scoping his mirrors on the offramp? Yes. Was this whole thing avoidable? Hell yes. Hork -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 14:19:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DIJg807352 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11164 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2000 18:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 18:07:39 -0000 Message-ID: <396E0530.C76AD83D@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:06:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Pave the Planet References: <20000713173542.13261.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Corbett B wrote: > > For Horkster, > > A "Pave the Planet" resource page: > http://www.icbl.hw.ac.uk/~cjs/pave/ > > For anyone interested, there are resources to Chrome > the Moon...and Pave the Potomac. Pave the Potomac? Wow, what a catch phrase! Imagine the YSR racecourse we could set up out there if we had enough cement... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 14:22:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6DIM9807449 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16572 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2000 18:13:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2000 18:13:01 -0000 Message-ID: <396E0673.6678C3E5@flashmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:12:03 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michiko Oishi CC: Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michiko Oishi wrote: > > I'll concede to that point...but wouldn't that be darwin at his finest? What, and give the safety-crats more ammo to conclude that motorcycling is dangerous and should be banned? I don't want some Putz wadding up a Helix threatening my favorite pastime... Thank you, but no, I continue to hope we recruit from the cream of the cager crop, not the bottom of the barrel... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 14:43:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DIh7807826 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:41:54 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:50:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: -- I keep thinking 2 things about this story. 1, I hope the truck driver gets nailed with heavy jail time, and 2, if the Harley rider would have been on a sport bike, he could have left the truck in the dust. -- Fact is, a harley is still faster than a truck. Stock harleys are about equivalent to Mustang GTs speed wise. More than enough to get away from a large truck. The fool was messing w/truck driver. He actually stopped and picked up some rocks and caught the truck again. I'm not saying the driver was justified in maiming the guy, just that the rider could've left well enough alone and be fine today. When you're almost killed by a BDC, they didn't necessarily mean to do it. Sure, I get pissed and might flip them off, but just calm down and get on with your life. It would piss me off a hell of a lot more if some a**hole was throwing rocks at my truck! Yeah, the truck driver should go to jail. But, maybe the rider should too. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 15:29:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe43.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DJTH808687 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:29:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , , , "Jeannette Zell" References: <4.1.20000713133300.009fdd40@intertv.com> Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:29:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2000 19:29:07.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D047080:01BFED00] I'd be interested, but not in leading since I don't know many roads around DC. It also depends on the date Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannette Zell" To: "LAURA GRANATO" ; ; Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) > I'd be interested. > Not in leading, though, my sense of direction sucks. > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 10:15 AM 7/13/00 -0700, LAURA GRANATO wrote: > >1. Who would be interested in a lazy, scenery-filled ride with us girls? > >2. Who would volunteer to lead? > > > >once I find out how many people want to go, we'll pick a date. > > > >Laura Granato > >'99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > >________________________________________________ > >PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > >http://www.peoplepc.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 16:57:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DKv4810394 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24611 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA00681 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11442 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:56:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000713165631.00ce0890@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:56:55 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Red Light Camera revenue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/april00/redlightmap.htm Thats a lot of money they are bringing in. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 17:46:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DLkp811355 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DLklp03320 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Red Light Camera revenue In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000713165631.00ce0890@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Troutman wrote: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/april00/redlightmap.htm > > Thats a lot of money they are bringing in. I can guarantee you that DC is at least $75 short... :) Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 17:51:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DLpM811462 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smui3.eng00.mindspring.net (smui3.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.200.50]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA30683 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:51:20 -0400 (EDT) From: desc21@XXXXXX Received: by smui3.eng00.mindspring.net id RAA0000001079; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:51:19 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Sender: desc21@XXXXXX Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: 165.247.86.82 subscribe dc-cycles From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 18:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6DMxX812944 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.207.54]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <396E4502.76D7553A@cox.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:38:58 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's only Darwinian if you can get them before they multiply. Michiko Oishi wrote: > I'll concede to that point...but wouldn't that be darwin at his finest? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:25 PM > To: Michiko Oishi > Cc: Dave Yates; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: SUV fixation > > Michiko Oishi wrote: > > > > Wasn't Howard Stern's position to put everyone on motorcycles for 2 years, > > and see how their attitudes change? > > But there are some folks who just do not belong on motorcycles... > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 21:02:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.abac.com (smtp2.abac.com [216.55.128.11]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6E12s815232 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brat (ip231.laurel10.md.pub-ip.psi.net [38.38.24.231]) by smtp2.abac.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6E1BkZ50739; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007140111.e6E1BkZ50739@smtp2.abac.com> X-Sender: dreamer%abac.com@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:05:58 -0400 To: DC Cycles From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On July 13, 2000 Laura Granato wrote: > What do I need from you all? > > 1. Who would be interested in a lazy, scenery-filled ride with us girls? > 2. Who would volunteer to lead? > > once I find out how many people want to go, we'll pick a date. Laura, Keep me posted. I may not always be able to attend but I'd like to catch a ride with all of you eventually. I'm not a leader either however. I'm directionally dyslexic to the max! Thanks Dawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX, VROC #4411 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre http://users.abac.com/dreamer/soulfyre.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 22:37:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6E2b3816759 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winnie (user-2ivelc6.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.85.134]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19303 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002d01bfed36$2f800840$8655f7a5@winnie> From: "Ryan Matteson" To: Subject: Does anyone have a 2000 YZF 600R?? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:52:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I am getting a rattle near the instrument panel and cannot figure out if it's the plastic or something else wrong with the bike. If anyone has a 2000 YZF 600R could you please let me know?? Thanks, Ryan From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 22:52:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6E2qh816997 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.30.93.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.30.93]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00777; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 19:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" , "DC Cycles" Cc: Subject: RE: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bfed3d$ab66eb20$5d1e5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200007140111.e6E1BkZ50739@smtp2.abac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I'll lead if the date is good. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Dawn G.T. Gibson [mailto:dreamer@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 9:06 PM To: DC Cycles Cc: lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) On July 13, 2000 Laura Granato wrote: > What do I need from you all? > > 1. Who would be interested in a lazy, scenery-filled ride with us girls? > 2. Who would volunteer to lead? > > once I find out how many people want to go, we'll pick a date. Laura, Keep me posted. I may not always be able to attend but I'd like to catch a ride with all of you eventually. I'm not a leader either however. I'm directionally dyslexic to the max! Thanks Dawn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX, VROC #4411 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre http://users.abac.com/dreamer/soulfyre.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 13 23:35:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6E3Z1817735 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-135-241.s622.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.135.241] helo=todd) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13CwFZ-0000Vz-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:34:53 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Dealing with Tailgaters Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:27:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bfed43$6245da40$f187a4d8@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 From: "Chris Weaver" If you're tailgating someone for miles, you're part of the problem. --> Agreed! If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. If, on the other hand, someone comes up behind me, stays at a sensible distance, and flashes me once (if I haven't already moved out of the way), you can bet I'll move over at the soonest opportunity and be happy I came across a courteous driver/rider. --> Just to nip this one in the bud; if you all think you are damned excellent drivers, then you'd admit to ALWAYS checking your rearviews. Right? If you see someone coming up behind you, faster than you'd like to be driving and you are in the passing lane, MOVE OVER! Fucking around with tailgaiters is dangerous and in my experience (yeah, I've done it) never really that satisfying. I find it WAY more relaxing to just do my part to keep the traffic flowing and get out of the way. --> It's already been said before but bears repeating. If the right lane is clear and you are just tooling along, MOVE INTO IT! Make it a habit. Don't be one of those assholes we all like to talk about by parking in the left lane. Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 01:06:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6E56b819223 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000714050635.CLYN621.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:06:35 -0700 Message-ID: <009c01bfed51$49db35a0$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: References: <200007140111.e6E1BkZ50739@smtp2.abac.com> Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:06:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I wont have my bike for another week or 2 but keep me in mind if a ride comes up after that. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" To: "DC Cycles" Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 9:05 PM Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) > On July 13, 2000 Laura Granato wrote: > > > What do I need from you all? > > > > 1. Who would be interested in a lazy, scenery-filled ride with us girls? > > 2. Who would volunteer to lead? > > > > once I find out how many people want to go, we'll pick a date. > > Laura, > > Keep me posted. I may not always be able to attend but I'd like to catch a > ride with all of you eventually. I'm not a leader either however. I'm > directionally dyslexic to the max! > > Thanks > > Dawn > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX, VROC #4411 > 2000 Vulcan Nomad 1500 Fi, SoulFyre > http://users.abac.com/dreamer/soulfyre.htm > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 01:28:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6E5S6819564 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA03752; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501bfed54$c92d7ae0$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , References: <20000713171514.18441.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:31:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 As soon as Brain sends me some carb gaskets I'll have the VFR on the road. I'll volunteer to lead AND agree to keep the pace sane and relaxing. :-) It may be a few days before getting it going, however. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "LAURA GRANATO" To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:15 PM Subject: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) > Well, after the great time we had on Saturday for the girls' ride, we're ready to do it again. We decided the girls' ride would be every other month, so August will be the group ride month. Let me give you the details of the way this ride would go, that way we can find out how many people are interested before we organize it. > > What typically happens is an experienced leader will lead the ride at a slow/moderate pace (those are the key words). We aren't looking for anyone out to race to the finish line. just people who want to enjoy a day of riding some good roads and meeting some new people. > > Behind the leader will be a newbie, who tends to set the pace for the rest of the group. after that we typically mix up the newbies and experienced riders, with an experienced rider to sweep the ride. Only the leader needs the ride sheet because we're never going fast enough to leave anyone behind. > > We stopped about twice for gas and rest, and then we stopped somewhere for lunch. > > If we get a lot of interest in a slower paced ride, we may split the ride into two decent sized groups for safety purposes. We had six girls on the ride. With a small group we had no problems keeping everyone together when we hit traffic, stoplights, etc. > > The ride would take approximately three to four hours and would be on a weekend. > > What do I need from you all? > > 1. Who would be interested in a lazy, scenery-filled ride with us girls? > 2. Who would volunteer to lead? > > once I find out how many people want to go, we'll pick a date. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 09:08:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ED8c827692 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24269; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396F110A.BD01F980@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:09:30 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Fw: Protest References: <14.63a5b5c.269e58e1@aol.com> <396E55C4.459A6FBE@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rhino, That's (!) the reason why I'd like do such a ride. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org weitrhino wrote: > GuzziSEFem@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > In a message dated 7/12/00 6:58:48 AM, rti1djh@XXXXXX writes: > > > > << This is NOT the kind of > > > > person I want to support by protest. > > > > For me, I plan to wait and see how things go before jumping to action. > > > > dj > > > > > I would be reluctant to do any large moto group protest that would be > > seen as flagrantly "in your face" and annoying by the general public. We > > motorcyclists are already percieved as "them" why make it worse. > > > > Diane in Phila > > > > Both sets of reasons stated above make good sense to me. However, a > mass demonstration, properly publicized, should be able to show that the > VAST majority of (sport) bike riders ARE responsible and reasonable > people. The point of protesting the state police policy is not to > protect squids. Clearly not. But such an organized protest would go a > long way toward showing the squids as well as the public and police that > riding in a responsible manner is the norm. > > I vote in favor of such a massive demonstration. We shouldn't label it > as a protest at all, but rather call it a demonstration. Think of it > this way: > > news report: > > On I-95 today several hundred motorcyclists gathered to demonstrate > responsible riding practices for the benefit of the general public and > the local and state law enforcement agencies. The aim of this group of > motorcyclists was to bring attention to the fact that the vast majority > of riders do in fact ride in a responsible manner. And as within any > dissociated group of people only a tiny fraction of motorcyclists, known > in the moto-vernacular as "squids," are the all too often seen reckless > speed freaks. > > The group hoped to make their point by riding down the interstate at > exactly the speed limit from 695 in Baltimore and ending at 495 in > Washington D.C. > > Said one automobile driver who witnessed this mass law abiding group, > "I've never seen so many beautiful motorcycles all together. It sure > makes me want to ride one, too." > > Well, I think you all get my point. This doesn't need to be a protest. > It needs to be a demonstration that a focused policy against sportbike > riders is unfair, and a waste of time and taxpayers money. > > cheers, rhino > '90 750 Katana From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 09:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EDKB827915 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMHGFH@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.b8.86a67a8 (9761) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:20:01 -0400 (EDT) From: RMHGFH@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:20:00 EDT Subject: BMW Hard Bags To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Greetings, In planning for a trip from DC to Bloomington, Indiana, I am trying to track down some used hard bags for my '93 R100R. I know that there are a few Beemer owners here on list and I was wondering if you might have some ideas for finding these things other than shelling out the $600+ for the new factory ones and mounting hardware. I've seen some of these aluminum panniers with "Woick Box 2" embossed on the side. Something like this will work as well. Thanks in advance, John '93 R100R From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 09:22:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (IDENT:65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EDM6827945 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9757 invoked by uid 48381); 14 Jul 2000 09:21:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:21:37 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Message-ID: <20000714092137.A9697@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i : : Actually I'd LOVE to do that!!!! On 495 all the way around.... : Me too. I would be willing to be either one of the bikes or one of the "barrier" cars someone else mentioned depending on what's needed. -- Matthew Harrell If at first you don't succeed, Bit Twiddlers, Inc. try management. mharrell@XXXXXX http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 10:25:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EEPg829021 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14784 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:25:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Let's be careful out there (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:32:54 -0400 From: "Maloney, Tom" Reply-To: nedod@XXXXXX To: "'nedod@XXXXXX'" Subject: Let's be careful out there At least more careful than this guy, who threw away his Concours, breaking his wrist and severely smacking a Suburban. Don't look if mangled metal disturbs you. http://www.mcrides.com/cogrally/wreck.html tom From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 11:09:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EF9n829878 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.7.41]) id QQixuy12836; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:09:47 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQixuy06849; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:09:30 -0400 To: jbaliko@XXXXXX, mbennett@XXXXXX, Julian.Bullock@XXXXXX, Brian.Callaghan@XXXXXX, keith.elliott@XXXXXX, garris@XXXXXX, pgould@XXXXXX, Robert.Keiser@XXXXXX, alawal@XXXXXX, blong@XXXXXX, jporetsk@XXXXXX, rickardj@XXXXXX, dsnyder@XXXXXX, swood@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: Sunday Ride To Summit Point Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I'm thinking of leading a ride to Summit Point on Sunday, watch some races & whatnot. (If there's enough interest and it's not t-storming) Reply to my home email, which is: eternity23@XXXXXX Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 11:36:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EFah800508 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11698 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 15:37:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 15:37:00 -0000 Message-ID: <396F330C.6D360271@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:34:36 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Ratbike for sale References: <20000713185428.51728.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just wanted everyone to know the ratbike has been SOLD. Gone but not forgotten. Thanks. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - the bike that started it all - sold From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 11:40:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EFdu800538 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14609 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 15:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 15:40:14 -0000 Message-ID: <396F33CD.A9E318B9@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:37:49 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" , DC Cycles , lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) References: <001301bfed3d$ab66eb20$5d1e5aa6@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Big Matty wrote: > > I'll lead if the date is good. > Matt If the date is good, she will let you lead...uh, wait, we're not talking about ballroom dancing here, are we? Nevermind. :) Horkster (waltz, foxtrot, rumba, swing) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 11:44:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EFi5800621 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18390 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 15:44:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 15:44:13 -0000 Message-ID: <396F34BB.FBB387FD@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:41:47 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters References: <000201bfed43$6245da40$f187a4d8@todd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > --> It's already been said before but bears repeating. If the right lane is > clear and you are just tooling along, MOVE INTO IT! Make it a habit. Don't > be one of those assholes we all like to talk about by parking in the left > lane. Now what about the Beltway, where you've got more than two lanes? I don't usually wanna move over all the way to the right, and deal with all the merging cars/occasional slow driver in the correct lane, but I stay out of the far left lane unless I'm passing somebody. Good enough? Is there such a thing as a middle lane hog? :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 11:56:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EFuj800828 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29189; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396F3876.16787664@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:57:42 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F6CEB48177CB2E5C119516E4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F6CEB48177CB2E5C119516E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------F6CEB48177CB2E5C119516E4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue Return-Path: Received: from widgetworks.com (burns.widgetworks.com [209.143.113.130]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24971 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by widgetworks.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) id JAA21384 for balt-cycles-list; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: burns.widgetworks.com: majordom set sender to owner-balt-cycles@XXXXXX using -f Received: from marge.widgetworks.com (marge.widgetworks.com [209.143.113.11]) by widgetworks.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21380 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: mprediger@XXXXXX Received: from mail.filterite.com (mail.memtec.com [12.26.85.35] (may be forged)) by marge.widgetworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29141 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macmdpt.filterite.com (macmdpt [172.30.6.4]) by mail.filterite.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00887 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by macmdpt.filterite.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.6 (890.1 7-16-1999)) id 8525691C.004AA590 ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:35:20 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: MEMTEC To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8525691C.004AA385.00@macmdpt.filterite.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:35:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-balt-cycles@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk Reply-To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Well...it seems as if we have some pro and some con to this idea of a demonstration in hopes of proving that not all sportbike (or any bike for that matter) riders are irresponsible menaces to the general public. So, why don't we poll everyone to see how many folks we can put together for this thing to see if we can generate enough interest to make up any kind of meaningful gathering. If enough people show interest, we can plan further from there. Ideas?? Michael '97 ZX-9R --------------F6CEB48177CB2E5C119516E4-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 12:16:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EGGo801252 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007141616.e6EGGo801252@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.a7.5a318dd (15862) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web45.aolmail.aol.com (web45.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.6]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:16:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:16:37 EDT From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Count me in. Tony 99 superhawk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 12:33:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe15.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.119]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EGXk801519 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:33:38 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: References: <200007141616.e6EGGo801252@dirty.meretrix.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:33:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2000 16:33:38.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[43389840:01BFEDB1] Me too Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna 98 VTR1000 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] > Count me in. > Tony > 99 superhawk > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 12:38:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EGc6801618 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:37:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200007141237.AA88146372@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Chris Weaver" >If someone's tailgating me, you can bet I'm not going to be interested IN >THE LEAST with making their life easier. In fact, I'll probably slow down to >the speed limit or below just to get them off of my ass and maybe give them >the hint that tailgating doesn't pay. Has that ever worked for you? Slowing down for a tailgater to make them back off? In my experience they just get closer. If someone wants that badly to be in front of me, I let go in front of me. Rather have a bad driver in front of me than behind me, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 12:52:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EGqh801857 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000714165230.22023.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:52:30 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > Count me in. me too. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 13:08:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EH8C802104 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14699 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:08:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000714130643.00cda5a0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:08:04 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters In-Reply-To: <200007141237.AA88146372@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:37 PM 7/14/00 , Chris Norloff wrote: >Has that ever worked for you? Slowing down for a tailgater to make them >back off? In my experience they just get closer. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If I have the chance, I'll take it down a gear and get out of the area completely. If not, I might slow down to antagonize and see if they back off. If nothing is working, I throw a backfire their way. That ALWAYS works. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 13:25:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gothic.answerlogic.com (gothic.answerlogic.com [38.203.217.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EHPp802392 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from babytalk (10.10.10.59 [10.10.10.59]) by gothic.answerlogic.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 36DPGZ11; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:28:36 -0400 Message-ID: <04e601bfedb8$cdbca180$3b0a0a0a@answerlogic.com> From: "Han Park" To: References: <20000714165230.22023.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:27:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I'll ride in protest as well. han ----- Original Message ----- From: bryan main To: Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > Count me in. me too. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 14:29:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EIT4803670 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.bb.5263df6 (4005) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:28:49 EDT Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 Me too... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 15:20:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EJKF804644 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1670 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 19:20:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 19:20:51 -0000 Message-ID: <396F676F.2697D7F2@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:18:07 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LDRider List Subject: Cycle-Parts.com??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody heard of this site? http://www.cycle-parts.com/ Any references? Sounds interesting. You provide the part numbers, $100 minimum order. Big discounts. Too good to be true? Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 15:36:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EJap804929 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DBGS-0005Pw-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:36:48 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Troutman Cc: Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:42:32 GMT Message-ID: <396f96d3.217884560@smtp.erols.com> References: <200007131006.AA140771694@mail.toward.com> <4.2.0.58.20000713135631.00cd9c10@mail.wheatintl.com> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000713135631.00cd9c10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EJb9804930 On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:59:27 -0400, you wrote: |>And Harleys can outrun semis as easily as cars and sportbikes. I don;t |>think this particular rider realized he was going to be crunched. Hard to |>miss a semi in your mirrors though. And I wonder just how this truck driver saw the harley guy pick up rocks.. and where did he hold alleged rocks? and if he threw the rocks, wouldn't he have escaped the truck by speeding away? it is kind of interesting that the guy made the 911 call, then 11 minutes later he runs him down.. what went on in those 11 minutes? hmm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 15:48:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EJmu805125 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DBSA-00077Z-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:48:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins - harley rider Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:54:38 GMT Message-ID: <3974987e.218312350@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EJmx805126 the biker should go to jail? He already had his bike crumpled, isn't that punishment enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heh heh just kidding. speaking of harley riders I was on 95-S yesterday and there was slight rain.. the guy had on a blue rain suit, riding a harley, and wearing a harley davidson brain scooper (half helmet). Kind of ironic he'd buy a rain suit but not a real helmet. where's the logic.. "ok i don't want to get wet so i'll buy a full rain suit... I dont want to die.. so I'll ride in the rain with half a helmet".. he's got the mindset to keep dry, but not keep alive? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 15:57:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EJvV805318 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6581 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 19:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 19:57:12 -0000 Message-ID: <396F6FF3.CC09D04A@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:54:28 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins References: <200007131006.AA140771694@mail.toward.com> <4.2.0.58.20000713135631.00cd9c10@mail.wheatintl.com> <396f96d3.217884560@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > And I wonder just how this truck driver saw the harley guy pick up > rocks.. and where did he hold alleged rocks? CB radio. Most truckers have them. Bet they were keeping a running commentary going about the whole incident. Channel 19 is a real hoot to listen too if you are on the highway and are starting to get bored. Don't think for a minute you can do anything to a trucker without every other truck within 20 miles knowing about it. Something to consider... > and if he threw the rocks, wouldn't he have escaped the truck by speeding away? You would think so, eh? But we are talking about a Darwin award candidate after all. Not too bright, remember? First, he zooms in front of the truck and slows down and gestures (maybe to "get even" for some imagined slight the trucker did). Then he pulls over to grab rocks, allowing the trucker time to call police on the cell phone. Then he catches back up to the truck (now a couple of minutes ahead, right, through traffic, right?) and gets back in front again, and starts tossing rocks. Then this biker thinks he can speed up a little bit and get away. "Oh wait, my exit is coming up, time to get off..." AND THE BIKER DOESN'T EVEN BOTHER TO CHECK HIS FREEKIN' MIRRORS ON THE RAMP?!?!?!! This is the hysterical part! He didn't think the truck driver would do anything? I'd love to hear the biker's side of the story when he gets out of the drug fog. It's gonna be better than Springer... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:00:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EK0C805413 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14961 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000714155726.00d2dcb0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:00:03 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Touring riders gear In-Reply-To: <3974987e.218312350@smtp.erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:54 PM 7/14/00 , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >I was on 95-S yesterday and there was slight rain.. the guy had on a >blue rain suit, riding a harley, and wearing a harley davidson brain >scooper (half helmet). Kind of ironic he'd buy a rain suit but not a >real helmet. where's the logic.. "ok i don't want to get wet so i'll >buy a full rain suit... I dont want to die.. so I'll ride in the rain >with half a helmet".. he's got the mindset to keep dry, but not keep >alive? Along the same lines... Went to Gatlinburg, TN a couple weeks ago. Saw a ton of bikes out for the Honda Hoot and similar activities. I'd say maybe 5% of the bikes I saw out of hundreds were wearing any protective gear other than a helmet. A lot of these bikes were Harley touring bikes, Goldwings, Connies, etc. Doesn't it stand to reason that the touring riders would know better? Most were in short sleeves, shorts and tennies. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:01:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EK1T805423 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11578 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 20:01:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 20:01:12 -0000 Message-ID: <396F70E3.14A8AB8F@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:58:27 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins - harley rider References: <3974987e.218312350@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > > the biker should go to jail? He already had his bike crumpled, isn't > that punishment enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heh heh just kidding. > > speaking of harley riders > > I was on 95-S yesterday and there was slight rain.. the guy had on a > blue rain suit, riding a harley, and wearing a harley davidson brain > scooper (half helmet). You know, some of those half-helmets are not bad. Some even have a zip-in leather liner that covers the ears and back of the head. There are times when I'm stuck in traffic that I wish for a unfaired cruiser and more airflow through my hair. But then I decide I'd rather squish bugs than eat them.... > he's got the mindset to keep dry, but not keep alive? Hey, he's riding in the rain. He's alright in my book. :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:09:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EK9Y805569 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EKA4408932 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:10:09 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Biker attacks truck, truck wins - harley rider Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bfedcf$23cb4340$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3974987e.218312350@smtp.erols.com> Importance: Normal Closest call I ever had was on 495 at 66. I saw a guy on Harley Springer softail with a full rainsuit riding in a heavy downpour. Since I had never seen a Harley Davidson product with water on it before I was distracted and almost rear-ended the SUV in front of me =:0 Cedric snip speaking of harley riders I was on 95-S yesterday and there was slight rain.. the guy had on a blue rain suit, riding a harley, and wearing a harley davidson brain scooper (half helmet). Kind of ironic he'd buy a rain suit but not a real helmet. where's the logic.. "ok i don't want to get wet so i'll buy a full rain suit... I dont want to die.. so I'll ride in the rain with half a helmet".. he's got the mindset to keep dry, but not keep alive? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:11:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKB1805592 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DBnU-000380-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:10:56 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:16:40 GMT Message-ID: <39759e12.219740325@smtp.erols.com> References: <000201bfed43$6245da40$f187a4d8@todd> In-Reply-To: <000201bfed43$6245da40$f187a4d8@todd> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EKB3805593 On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:27:05 -0400, you wrote: |>--> It's already been said before but bears repeating. If the right lane is |>clear and you are just tooling along, MOVE INTO IT! Make it a habit. Don't |>be one of those assholes we all like to talk about by parking in the left |>lane. There are two more benifits to not cruising the left lane... when you come around the bend, over the hill, around the bushes or whatever, guess what lane the cop has the radar gun pointed at? also if you're changing lanes, it's a little more difficult for the cop the "pace" you.. or see you, to go after you. But if you just cruise in the left lane.. you become a target. On the other hand, there's one less lane of traffic to come at you, supposedly an (accident) escape route (but the cage in front of you may go there too).. I generally try to be in a position which has the most space between cars. I try to keep them away from my bike so none of the "oops i didnt' see him" invasions come into my saftey space. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:12:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKCo805676 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000714201232.DYS27505.kuku.excite.com@prickles> for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: <31768779.963605552055.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:12:32 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: protest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 I'm in...I'd rather ride, but I would drive blocker/protection if need be. __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:15:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKF1805765 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DBrP-0003qj-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:15:00 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: Todd Peer , AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:20:43 GMT Message-ID: <39779f84.220110450@smtp.erols.com> References: <000201bfed43$6245da40$f187a4d8@todd> <396F34BB.FBB387FD@flashmail.com> In-Reply-To: <396F34BB.FBB387FD@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EKF3805766 |>Now what about the Beltway, where you've got more than two lanes? I don't |>usually wanna move over all the way to the right, and deal with all the |>merging cars/occasional slow driver in the correct lane, but I stay out |>of the far left lane unless I'm passing somebody. Good enough? |> |>Is there such a thing as a middle lane hog? :) That 2nd left lane is ideal. You don't catch the mergine traffic in the right lane, and the 2nd right lane where the right laners go to avoid the merging traffic. I still think the beltway should have 2 speeds.. the left lane should be about 85 (where there is no stupid merging) and the right lane should be about 40 mph.. to accomidate the merging and grandparents who drive slow. but then again, i'd like to see the left lane clear for passing (and emergency vehicles). From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:16:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bucky.excite.com (bucky-rwcmex.excite.com [198.3.99.218]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKGh805785 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prickles ([199.172.153.88]) by bucky.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000714201633.IOLW28598.bucky.excite.com@prickles> for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:16:33 -0700 Message-ID: <18319290.963605793539.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.9 Laura, I'd be up for a "scenery" paced ride, and I know a bunch of good country roads. Mostly from getting lost. __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:20:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from www.zen-data.com (mail.zen-data.com [209.249.185.20]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKKQ805890 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vulture (vulture [209.249.185.69]) by www.zen-data.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15013 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:20:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000714161914.00d1c5c0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:20:09 -0400 To: From: Troutman Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters In-Reply-To: <39779f84.220110450@smtp.erols.com> References: <396F34BB.FBB387FD@flashmail.com> <000201bfed43$6245da40$f187a4d8@todd> <396F34BB.FBB387FD@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:20 PM 7/14/00 , daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: >I still think the beltway should have 2 speeds.. the left lane should >be about 85 (where there is no stupid merging) and the right lane >should be about 40 mph.. to accomidate the merging and grandparents >who drive slow. Except the dumb-ass 66E / 495N interchange. What were they thinking? ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:26:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKQp805907 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DC2q-00064D-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:26:49 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:32:33 GMT Message-ID: <3978a09b.220389685@smtp.erols.com> References: <14.63a5b5c.269e58e1@aol.com> <396E55C4.459A6FBE@home.com> <396F110A.BD01F980@peabody.jhu.edu> In-Reply-To: <396F110A.BD01F980@peabody.jhu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EKQs805908 The DC sportbike riders (and lady sportbike riders) are organizing a "memory to fallen riders" ride.. they plan to have the media involved to demonstrate the unity in the community of riders. Right now they are just kicking around ideas in organized meetings. It sounds like they're setting it up to go from route 50, aroudn the beltway and up to baltimore but i'm not sure. Even though YOU may not like some of the attitudes or illegal riding speeds of SOME (a few) of the members... just rember, this organized ride isnt' about who you're riding with, it's about showing your support for fallen riders... and showing the public via the media, that riders can ride in an organized, responsible manner. So I invite you to come along. When I find out the details, i'll post them. btw when they organized to go to philly at the ihop, they did an impromptu 'drive 55' Op Road Rocket protest. they had been kicking around the idea of a protest ride on the chatroom...and since they had the bikes, the idea came to fruition. I heard a couple of bikes were pulled over for riding too slow.. but weren't issued any citations. I wasnt' there, but that's what I heard happened. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:28:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EKSo806004 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13166 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 20:29:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 20:29:05 -0000 Message-ID: <396F7780.3DBDB6A7@flashmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:26:40 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hoofnagle CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: protest References: <31768779.963605552055.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Hoofnagle wrote: > > I'm in...I'd rather ride, but I would drive blocker/protection if need be. > __________ Oh, so you have a Goldwing? Sorry, couldn't resist... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:31:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3601.mail.yahoo.com (web3601.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.96]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6EKVb806098 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000714203129.28492.qmail@web3601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.77.176] by web3601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:31:29 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:31:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ratbike for sale To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And to a good home I might add! It will be an excellent beginner bike for my other half. Glenn --- Dale Horstman wrote: > Just wanted everyone to know the ratbike has been > SOLD. > Gone but not forgotten. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:33:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKXv806116 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DC9i-0007LU-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:33:55 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Hugh Caldwell Cc: Corbett B , DC Cycles Subject: Re: broken bones Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:39:39 GMT Message-ID: <3979a3b7.221185990@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EKXx806117 |>> BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM FIRST WITH YOUR "GOOD" ARM. |>> It's been propably 8 years and I'm still pissed at |>> that weasle. |>> |> That's so true. I had to slug my XRAY technician after |>he reapeatedly grabbed my broken shoulder after an accident in |>which i was tossed out of an MG. Hmm I never thought about that... I'll have to keep that in mind should I (n)ever need X rays.. I'll try to remember to precede any procedures by saying "let's get one thing straight, you dont touch my arm, you ask me to adjust my arm to your liking. If you touch my arm, I will be swinging with my other fist, and filing a complaint against you, fair enough?" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:39:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKdk806223 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DCFL-0000a5-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:39:43 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dave Yates Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:45:27 GMT Message-ID: <397aa593.221661275@smtp.erols.com> References: <396DCF06.175C0027@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <396DCF06.175C0027@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EKe3806224 Great post dave! :) I yeild to stupid drivers.. try to predict what they'll do and give them the space to do it.. it's a little less stress to deal with than riding along, getting cut off and being pissed. I try to stay away from other vehicles on the road period... or zoom past them to show them my presence, and stay in front of them, rather than behind. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:42:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKgj806322 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.66.58a1188 (4574) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:42:21 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <66.58a1188.26a0d52c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:42:20 EDT Subject: Re: Touring riders gear To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/14/00 16:01:58 Eastern Daylight Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: > Doesn't it > stand to reason that the touring riders would know better? Most were in > short sleeves, shorts and tennies. Different mindset - They're just cruising along taking it easy - not chargine hard in to the corners like the racer wannabees - ergo no need for protective clothing beyond the imposed helmet. And occasionally, they die - everyone clucks their tongues in sympathy for the family and observes how dangerous motorcycles are. Unfortunately, they've usually already passed their genes on by that point. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:45:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKit806332 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-219.patriot.net [209.249.180.219]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6EKikn16383; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:44:47 -0400 Message-ID: <396F7A1B.2B985557@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:37:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Todd Peer , AA DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters References: <000201bfed43$6245da40$f187a4d8@todd> <396F34BB.FBB387FD@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My short commute on 395 AKA Shirley Hiwy, is betwixt Glebe and Duke. On the way home I'm in the far right lane. Adjusting speed to deal wiht mergers and exit swoopers from the left ain't bad, and I usually beat the left laners to Duke. That is a major bottleneck and lefties grind to a crawl while us righties chug serenly past :-) Bill Dale Horstman wrote: > Now what about the Beltway, where you've got more than two lanes? I don't > usually wanna move over all the way to the right, and deal with all the > merging cars/occasional slow driver in the correct lane, but I stay out > of the far left lane unless I'm passing somebody. Good enough? > > Is there such a thing as a middle lane hog? :) > > Horkster > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:49:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKn3806441 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.f2.d87888 (4574) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:48:45 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:48:45 EDT Subject: Re: SUV fixation To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 My preferred position is "mast abeam" - just slightly ahead of them so that I am out of any potential blindspots - taking into account that most of them seem to have suffered neck injuries and can't turn their heads Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:49:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKn5806444 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DCOM-0002Da-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:49:02 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:54:47 GMT Message-ID: <397ba81b.222309435@smtp.erols.com> References: <396DFB70.CB680C5D@flashmail.com> In-Reply-To: <396DFB70.CB680C5D@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EKn6806452 |>But there are some folks who just do not belong on motorcycles... Yea so? what do we need them for? put em on bikes anyway! they're negligable From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:49:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKno806471 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-219.patriot.net [209.249.180.219]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6EKnkn17091; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:49:46 -0400 Message-ID: <396F7B47.668D4D1D@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:42:47 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters References: <4.2.0.58.20000714130643.00cda5a0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At NIGHT when I had my Suzuki w/centerstand I'd shove it into the road. The resulting wake of sparks made the most fearless tailgater go OH S--T and back off. Bill Troutman wrote: > At 12:37 PM 7/14/00 , Chris Norloff wrote: > >Has that ever worked for you? Slowing down for a tailgater to make them > >back off? In my experience they just get closer. > > Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If I have the chance, I'll take it down a > gear and get out of the area completely. If not, I might slow down to > antagonize and see if they back off. If nothing is working, I throw a > backfire their way. That ALWAYS works. > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:49:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKnq806473 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DCP7-0002L3-00; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:49:50 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: Michiko Oishi , Dave Yates , DC Cycles Subject: Re: SUV fixation Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:55:34 GMT Message-ID: <397ca857.222369210@smtp.erols.com> References: <396E0673.6678C3E5@flashmail.com> In-Reply-To: <396E0673.6678C3E5@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6EKns806476 |>> I'll concede to that point...but wouldn't that be darwin at his finest? |> |>What, and give the safety-crats more ammo to conclude that motorcycling |>is dangerous and should be banned? I don't want some Putz wadding up wouldn't those crats be thinned out too? :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:52:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKq4806568 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.de.75112fb (4574) for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:51:51 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:51:51 EDT Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 I REALLY miss Europe. Lane discipline was observed and practiced religiously. It is also a major no-no to pass on the right, a person dwadling along in the left lane would hold up the entire roadway. Would also probably be killed at the next rest stop with no witnesses ;-) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:55:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKtb806589 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-219.patriot.net [209.249.180.219]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6EKtUn17888; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:55:30 -0400 Message-ID: <396F7C9E.C0F65E5@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:48:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bernescut@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins - harley rider References: <001401bfedcf$23cb4340$770810ac@cedric> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh yeah? About the only time my Harley gets washed is in a good rain. I had high hopes today, even stopped off to do some shopping, but no luck. Rain waited until I was home. The other times my Harley gets washed is when the Mistress of Harley Decor sez WASH THAT DAMN BIKE - IT'S DISGUSTING! Yes, dear.. Bill Cedric Bernescut wrote: > Closest call I ever had was on 495 at 66. I saw a guy on Harley Springer > softail with a full rainsuit riding in a heavy downpour. Since I had never > seen a Harley Davidson product with water on it before I was distracted and > almost rear-ended the SUV in front of me =:0 > Cedric > > snip > > speaking of harley riders > > I was on 95-S yesterday and there was slight rain.. the guy had on a > blue rain suit, riding a harley, and wearing a harley davidson brain > scooper (half helmet). Kind of ironic he'd buy a rain suit but not a > real helmet. where's the logic.. "ok i don't want to get wet so i'll > buy a full rain suit... I dont want to die.. so I'll ride in the rain > with half a helmet".. he's got the mindset to keep dry, but not keep > alive? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 16:58:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6EKvr806664 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08766; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396F7EFB.62CD09A0@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 16:58:35 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Hoofnagle , Balt-Cycles-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions References: <18319290.963605793539.JavaMail.imail@prickles> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Hoofnagle wrote: > Laura, > I'd be up for a "scenery" paced ride, and I know a bunch of good country > roads. Mostly from getting lost. > __________ > They can't hit you, > if they can't catch you! > James > E-TKT > > _______________________________________________________ James, All, Along those lines, the Suzuki Owners Club USA - Maryland have a "Dam Ride" in the works. It 'll ne a scenic trip to visit several of Maryland's Dams that are in the area. It'll probably be some time in late August. Everyone will be welcome to ride with us. I'll be sure to let everyone know when all of the details have been worked out. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 17:17:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from charon.amdahl.com (charon.amdahl.com [159.199.101.1] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ELH7807022 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charon.amdahl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10654 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10647; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m13DCpH-000AQVC; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:16 PDT Message-ID: <396FAD54.B5469345@pop.amdahl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:16:21 -0700 From: Carl Burkholder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Ride for fallen riders References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------29E433FCAA9C8190A15F53E3" --------------29E433FCAA9C8190A15F53E3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now this is a ride that I could get behind. I don't think that everyone is thinking very well here. Any excuse for a protest is asking for trouble. If you were telling me that the cops are pulling bikes over at a whim, that is worth protesting. When you tell me they are pulling over bikes that are driving recklessly I say GOOD!!! I wish they would pull over EVERYONE that drives recklessly and take their license! Then I wouldn't have to stay out of those morons way! It makes no sense to me why a responsible and safe rider would want to condone squids. They are a danger to us all. The ride for fallen riders is a good reason to show our solidarity and get the media involved. I have lost a lot of friends over the past 30 years of riding, most due to reckless drivers in cars. I have also lost a few friends due to their own squidly behavior. I miss them all and would love the opportunity to honor their memory with a ride! Let me know when this ride takes place. Carl 94 Ultra Classic 91 Sportster daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > The DC sportbike riders (and lady sportbike riders) are organizing a > "memory to fallen riders" ride.. they plan to have the media involved > to demonstrate the unity in the community of riders. > > Right now they are just kicking around ideas in organized meetings. > It sounds like they're setting it up to go from route 50, aroudn the > beltway and up to baltimore but i'm not sure. > > Even though YOU may not like some of the attitudes or illegal riding > speeds of SOME (a few) of the members... just rember, this organized > ride isnt' about who you're riding with, it's about showing your > support for fallen riders... and showing the public via the media, > that riders can ride in an organized, responsible manner. So I > invite you to come along. When I find out the details, i'll post > them. > > btw when they organized to go to philly at the ihop, they did an > impromptu 'drive 55' Op Road Rocket protest. they had been kicking > around the idea of a protest ride on the chatroom...and since they had > the bikes, the idea came to fruition. I heard a couple of bikes were > pulled over for riding too slow.. but weren't issued any citations. I > wasnt' there, but that's what I heard happened. > > Daniel --------------29E433FCAA9C8190A15F53E3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now this is a ride that I could get behind. I don't think that everyone is thinking very well here. Any excuse for a protest is asking for trouble. If you were telling me that the cops are pulling bikes over at a whim, that is worth protesting. When you tell me they are pulling over bikes that are driving recklessly I say GOOD!!! I wish they would pull over EVERYONE that drives recklessly and take their license! Then I wouldn't have to stay out of those morons way! It makes no sense to me why a responsible and safe rider would want to condone squids. They are a danger to us all. The ride for fallen riders is a good reason to show our solidarity and get the media involved. I have lost a lot of friends over the past 30 years of riding, most due to reckless drivers in cars. I have also lost a few friends due to their own squidly behavior. I miss them all and would love the opportunity to honor their memory with a ride! Let me know when this ride takes place.

Carl
94 Ultra Classic
91 Sportster

daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote:

The DC sportbike riders (and lady sportbike riders) are organizing a
"memory to fallen riders" ride.. they plan to have the media involved
to  demonstrate the unity in the community of riders.

Right now they are just kicking around ideas in organized meetings.
It sounds like they're setting it up to go from route 50, aroudn the
beltway and up to baltimore but i'm not sure.

Even though YOU may not like some of the attitudes or illegal riding
speeds of  SOME (a few) of the members... just rember, this organized
ride isnt' about who you're riding with, it's about showing your
support for fallen riders... and showing the public via the media,
that riders can ride in an organized, responsible  manner.  So I
invite you to come along.  When I find out the details, i'll post
them.

btw when they organized to go to philly at the ihop, they did an
impromptu 'drive 55'  Op Road Rocket  protest. they had been kicking
around the idea of a protest ride on the chatroom...and since they had
the bikes, the idea came to fruition. I heard a couple of bikes were
pulled over for riding too slow.. but weren't issued any citations. I
wasnt' there, but that's what I heard happened.

Daniel

--------------29E433FCAA9C8190A15F53E3-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 14 23:59:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6F3xr813747 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000715035945.20022.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.85.124] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:59:45 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters To: Bill Huson , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill- Cool STUNT! I've heard of that before but had forgotten. Still,I can't bring myself to grind down my Beemer centerstand... Come to think of it, why the hell did you let a tailgater get behind you on your Suzuki anyway? -Corbett '99 K1200RS --- Bill Huson wrote: > At NIGHT when I had my Suzuki w/centerstand I'd > shove it into the road. The > resulting wake of sparks made the most fearless > tailgater go OH S--T and back > off. > > Bill > > Troutman wrote: > > > At 12:37 PM 7/14/00 , Chris Norloff wrote: > > >Has that ever worked for you? Slowing down for a > tailgater to make them > > >back off? In my experience they just get closer. > > > > Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If I have the > chance, I'll take it down a > > gear and get out of the area completely. If not, > I might slow down to > > antagonize and see if they back off. If nothing > is working, I throw a > > backfire their way. That ALWAYS works. > > > > ___________________________________________ > > Mike Troutman > > http://www.troutman.org/vfr > > > > '97 Honda VFR 750 > > Member : AMA ~=~ NMA ~=~ NRA > > > > More miles than I can shake a squid at. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 00:00:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from idalee.loudoun.com (idalee.loudoun.com [208.232.169.21]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6F40K813827 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rest0237 (leesburg-144.cybercable.com [204.188.46.144]) by idalee.loudoun.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6F3xJo19542 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001401bfee11$977b5400$1464a8c0@rest0237> From: "Greg" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Tune-ups Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:03:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFEDF0.0CE8A390" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFEDF0.0CE8A390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anyone out there that does tune-ups on EX 500s on the side? If = so, please reply off-list... thanks Greg ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFEDF0.0CE8A390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anyone out there that does = tune-ups on EX=20 500s on the side? If so, please reply off-list... thanks
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFEDF0.0CE8A390-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 00:19:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6F4Js814072 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.a8.7d0b292 (16781) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:19:42 EDT Subject: Summit this weekend To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Just thought I'd drop a line to say I'm not gonna even bother taking a bike to the track this weekend. I'm not sure if Sean or anyone else is gonna race either with the weather being so nasty (I race WERA, and this weekend is CCS so it would have been just for fun). I will be up at the track as I need to do some deliveries for my sponsor, but I'll be in spectator mode :) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 10:15:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FEEx826255 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Jonman72@XXXXXX by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.8.7c8710f (4224) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:14:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonman72@XXXXXX Message-ID: <8.7c8710f.26a1cbd6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:14:46 EDT Subject: Protest To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 I'm in as well. Jonathan '00 YZF600R Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX --- Dsotm60273@XXXXXX wrote: > Count me in. me too. Bryan From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 11:25:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FFPT827573 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQixyr01356 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:25:21 GMT Message-ID: <39708266.92C7F911@otaku.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:25:26 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: fork tube leaking :( Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all- I've got this Kawasaki 454LTD and the left front fork tube seems to be leaking from around the seal. This really sucks since replacing the seal requires taking the bike half way apart (remove fuel tank, remove break caliper, remove front wheel, loosen triple clamps, remove tubes, disassemble tubes, etc) and requires two special kawasaki-specific tools which probably aren't cheap. This bike is only worth like $1200 at most and paying to have the seals replaced will cost like $300-$400. I'd like to try to do it myself but I don't have a garage at the moment. I'm trying to decide if I should just try to sell the bike to someone or if I should pay to get the seals replaced. Also, if anyone is willing to do the work for cheaper (perhaps if I assist or pay for the special tools) please let me know. Why is it that I find two girls that want to go riding AFTER my motorcycle breaks instead of before? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 12:18:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FGIu828426 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DUeT-0000Gp-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:18:53 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Biker attacks truck, truck wins - harley rider Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:24:44 GMT Message-ID: <3970ba62.292535580@smtp.erols.com> References: <3974987e.218312350@smtp.erols.com> <396F70E3.14A8AB8F@flashmail.com> In-Reply-To: <396F70E3.14A8AB8F@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6FGJ4828427 |>Hey, he's riding in the rain. He's alright in my book. :) Yah alright until he hits an oily 295 exit ramp :) heheh. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 12:28:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FGSE828591 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DUnU-0001IB-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:28:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: James Hoofnagle Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:34:03 GMT Message-ID: <3973bc39.293006270@smtp.erols.com> References: <18319290.963605793539.JavaMail.imail@prickles> In-Reply-To: <18319290.963605793539.JavaMail.imail@prickles> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6FGSN828592 |>I'd be up for a "scenery" paced ride, and I know a bunch of good country |>roads. Mostly from getting lost. I have to admit.. when I get lost on my bike, I think "ooh a place I never have been before in my life.. new ground" and I feel free. I try to take in the scenery and enjoy it, as well as try to make note of certain landmarks should I ever return to the area. Love riding! Daniel 95 zx6r From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 12:29:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FGTY828613 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-252-45.s299.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.252.45]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DUol-0001Rd-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:29:31 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:35:22 GMT Message-ID: <3974bcc4.293145630@smtp.erols.com> References: <18319290.963605793539.JavaMail.imail@prickles> <396F7EFB.62CD09A0@peabody.jhu.edu> In-Reply-To: <396F7EFB.62CD09A0@peabody.jhu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6FGTd828614 |> Along those lines, the Suzuki Owners Club USA - Maryland |>have a "Dam Ride" in the works. It 'll ne a scenic trip to visit several of |>Maryland's Dams that are in the area. It'll probably be some time in late |>August. Everyone will be welcome to ride with us. I'll be sure to let |>everyone know when all of the details have been worked out. Sounds wonderful.. I'll try to make that. I hope to meet more listers there! : ) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 12:47:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FGlR828941 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-125.patriot.net [209.249.180.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6FGlKn21912; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:47:20 -0400 Message-ID: <397093F3.5A007922@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:40:19 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( References: <39708266.92C7F911@otaku.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, so??? A leaky seal fork won't keep you off the road unless it's squirting out. Drain and refill with proper amount and go riding. Save money? Take the bike apart and bring the loose forks to a tech-mech. All he/she has to do is pop the forks apart and replace the seals, less than an hour with a coffee break. The *special* tools are involved at this point, not taking the front end apart. If you need shetler to take the bike apart I have room in the carport and garage, and a bike lift, and a couple zillion assorted tools. Bill robert@XXXXXX wrote: > Hello all- > > I've got this Kawasaki 454LTD and the left front fork tube seems to be > leaking from around the seal. This really sucks since replacing the > seal requires taking the bike half way apart (remove fuel tank, remove > break caliper, remove front wheel, loosen triple clamps, remove tubes, > disassemble tubes, etc) and requires two special kawasaki-specific tools > which probably aren't cheap. > > This bike is only worth like $1200 at most and paying to have the seals > replaced will cost like $300-$400. I'd like to try to do it myself but > I don't have a garage at the moment. > > I'm trying to decide if I should just try to sell the bike to someone or > if I should pay to get the seals replaced. Also, if anyone is willing > to do the work for cheaper (perhaps if I assist or pay for the special > tools) please let me know. > > Why is it that I find two girls that want to go riding AFTER my > motorcycle breaks instead of before? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 13:45:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FHjj829845 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-50-238.s492.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.50.238] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DW0U-0005ec-00; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:45:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bfee84$76114400$ee32accf@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: gear for sale... Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:45:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BFEE62.EE5F6C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BFEE62.EE5F6C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Two piece Aerostich Roadcrafter, scuffed up/light tearing on pants = (easily fixed by aerostich), light scuffs on elbows. Includes back = protector, hip pads, and "elipse"(makes it easier riding in a agressive = riding stance by giving you a little extra room in the back). Black Shoei RF-800 - Large (in good shape, light scratches from rocks = bouncing up) Anthracite Shoei RF-800 - Small (brand new...worn like 10 times) Black Alpinestars GP-Pro Boots - good shape, missing one toe slider = (easily/cheaply ordered from Alpinestars) Scorpio CYL-100 Motorcycle Alarm (never been used) Sigma BJC-1200 speedometer and extended wiring harness (never been used) Stock F4 Exhaust Stock 16T front Sprocket of 99 F4 Stock F4 Air Filter=20 Also I might be able to sell these still if I can get them off the = wadded F4 before it goes to the salvage yard... Two Brothers Racing Full Exhaust with Hi/Lo mounting options, and C4 = Round Carbon Fiber exhaust canister Sprocket Specialists 15T front sprocket BMC Air Filter for F4 Please let me know ASAP. ::sigh:: Thanks, Kirt ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BFEE62.EE5F6C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Two piece Aerostich Roadcrafter, = scuffed up/light=20 tearing on pants (easily fixed by aerostich), light scuffs on = elbows. =20 Includes back protector, hip pads, and "elipse"(makes it easier riding = in a=20 agressive riding stance by giving you a little extra room in the=20 back).
 
Black Shoei RF-800 - Large (in good = shape, light=20 scratches from rocks bouncing up)
 
Anthracite Shoei RF-800 - Small (brand = new...worn=20 like 10 times)
 
Black Alpinestars GP-Pro Boots - good = shape,=20 missing one toe slider (easily/cheaply ordered from = Alpinestars)
 
Scorpio CYL-100 Motorcycle Alarm (never = been=20 used)
 
Sigma BJC-1200 speedometer and extended = wiring=20 harness (never been used)
 
Stock F4 Exhaust
 
Stock 16T front Sprocket of 99 = F4
 
Stock F4 Air Filter
 
Also I might be able to sell these = still if I can=20 get them off the wadded F4 before it goes to the salvage = yard...
 
Two Brothers Racing Full Exhaust with = Hi/Lo=20 mounting options, and C4 Round Carbon Fiber exhaust = canister
 
Sprocket Specialists 15T front=20 sprocket
 
BMC Air Filter for F4
 
Please let me know ASAP.
 
::sigh::
 
Thanks,
     = Kirt
 
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BFEE62.EE5F6C60-- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 14:45:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f6.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.6]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6FIjg800919 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 90478 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jul 2000 18:45:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000715184534.90477.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 63.26.72.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:45:34 PDT X-Originating-IP: [63.26.72.83] From: "Razz Man" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:45:34 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Both of my LTD454's leak at the left front fork seal as well. I've been debating on doing it myself. We should put our heads togeather and decide. Mail me off list and we'll explore this issue. Razz '99 ZX9R '89 LTD454 '86 LTD454 > >Hello all- > >I've got this Kawasaki 454LTD and the left front fork tube seems to be >leaking from around the seal. This really sucks since replacing the >seal requires taking the bike half way apart (remove fuel tank, remove >break caliper, remove front wheel, loosen triple clamps, remove tubes, >disassemble tubes, etc) and requires two special kawasaki-specific tools >which probably aren't cheap. > >This bike is only worth like $1200 at most and paying to have the seals >replaced will cost like $300-$400. I'd like to try to do it myself but >I don't have a garage at the moment. > >I'm trying to decide if I should just try to sell the bike to someone or >if I should pay to get the seals replaced. Also, if anyone is willing >to do the work for cheaper (perhaps if I assist or pay for the special >tools) please let me know. > >Why is it that I find two girls that want to go riding AFTER my >motorcycle breaks instead of before? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 15:40:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r18.mx.aol.com (imo-r18.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.72]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FJeO801669 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.e4.7ad4cb5 (4586); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:40:12 EDT Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Why in the world would anyone on a bike have a problem with a tailgater? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 15:59:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FJx7801968 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.cc.758b137 (4586) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:58:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:58:53 EDT Subject: VIR Races To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Is anyone going to VIR? I race on Friday so I need to be there Thursday night. Anyone going Thursday night? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 17:39:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FLd4803475 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQixzq24589; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:39:01 GMT Message-ID: <3970D9F4.DF437E9D@otaku.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:39:00 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( References: <39708266.92C7F911@otaku.org> <397093F3.5A007922@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > > Yeah, so??? A leaky seal fork won't keep you off the road unless it's > squirting out. Drain and refill with proper amount and go riding. I thought that perhaps the fork tube would get bent if I kept riding on it. Thanks for the advice. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 17:52:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FLqD803698 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 2.c4.671f49c (4419) for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:52:04 EDT Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 I'm at a bit of a loss about having to take the tank off, but if you have a center stand all you should need to do is to: Remove the front wheel - this will usually result in the bike resting on its rear wheel when the weight of the front wheel is removed. If it doesn't, a few pounds of something placed on the passenger seat will take care of that. Remove the brake caliper from the lower fork tube and hang it from the handlebars with a bit of wire or string to take the strain off the hydraulic line. Loosen the triple clamp pinch bolts (upper and lower), pull the leaking leg out and cart it to your local bike shop. They shouldn't bag you for more than 1.5 to 2 hours of labor plus seals to do both legs. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 19:01:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6FN1e804812 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-125.patriot.net [209.249.180.125]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6FN1Xn12417; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3970EBAA.220EA50C@patriot.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:54:34 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert@XXXXXX CC: "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( References: <39708266.92C7F911@otaku.org> <397093F3.5A007922@patriot.net> <3970D9F4.DF437E9D@otaku.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit robert@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > Yeah, so??? A leaky seal fork won't keep you off the road unless it's > > squirting out. Drain and refill with proper amount and go riding. > > I thought that perhaps the fork tube would get bent if I kept riding on > it. Thanks for the advice. Nope, all a leaky does is make a wet spot. Unless it's pissing down the leg and making a puddle on the ground - not to worry. Bill From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 20:24:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r09.mx.aol.com (imo-r09.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.9]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6G0Oi806018 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id a.d0.87b4ccd (9725); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:24:30 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:24:30 EDT Subject: Trip to Wis. To: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 The first weekend in August I am riding from Charles Town, WV to New London, WI. I want to avoid interstates, but don"t want to take a week to get there. Looking at the map I was thinking about something like US 40 to US 30. Then 30 across to Chicagoland and then north. Other possibilities would be US 40 all the way across before turning north at Indy. Comments, advice , thoughts Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 21:12:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6G1Cp806751 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id VAA15589; Sat, 15 Jul 1972 21:17:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1972 21:17:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: robert@XXXXXX cc: Bill Huson , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( In-Reply-To: <3970D9F4.DF437E9D@otaku.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reasons to fix a leaking fork seal: (1) If it's leaking badly enough, oil may (depending on which side) get onto the front brake, with negative effects on ability to stop. (2) The fork oil is needed for proper handling. (3) the oil sitting on the fork tube holds road grit, which may cause a scored fork tube, requiring its replacement. Rare, but I've seen it a few times. (4) If you really run dry, you will ruin or break the internal damper which is expensive. Even rarer, but not unknown. (5) You'll have to fix it eventually, anyhow... That said, you probably don't have to take care of it today or this week; but sooner is better than later. --garcia On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 robert@XXXXXX wrote: > Bill Huson wrote: > > > > Yeah, so??? A leaky seal fork won't keep you off the road unless it's > > squirting out. Drain and refill with proper amount and go riding. > > I thought that perhaps the fork tube would get bent if I kept riding on > it. Thanks for the advice. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 22:25:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6G2PG807821 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQiyaj27169; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:25:12 GMT Message-ID: <39711D08.B6D15597@otaku.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:25:12 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: cb-750@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, motoguzzi@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Trip to Wis. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > The first weekend in August I am riding from Charles Town, WV to New London, > WI. I want to avoid interstates, but don"t want to take a week to get there. For $30-$50 you can get a good mapping package that will do routing based on whatever you want (avoid interstates, avoid toll roads, prefer roads marked as "scenic" etc.) Normally I'd recommend anything BUT something from microsoft, but for this kind of software the best thing I've seen so far is MS expedia streets and trips: http://www.us.buy.com/soft/product.asp?sku=20308178 This will also download information about construction so you can plan detours around it, and it will print very good maps/directions that you can stick in a tank bag map pocket. It also does a good job of time planning, including stops for gas. I had DeLorme street atlas but I took it back due to a few annoying things. Its routing capabilities seem to be quite good though. I put your start/finish into streets and trips and it says that it will take 26 hours driving time with the route it found avoiding interstates. (It assumes 50mph average speed but you can change that in the preferences if you think you can do faster.) The quickest route it can find (taking interstates most of the way) is 14hrs 30min (partly because I set the average speed for interstates to 65mph). From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 15 23:37:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6G3b7808953 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:36:57 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: "Troutman" , Subject: RE: Touring riders gear Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01bfeed7$236898e0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000714155726.00d2dcb0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > -----Original Message----- > From: Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > I'd say maybe 5% of the bikes > I saw out > of hundreds were wearing any protective gear other than a helmet. That's pretty damned impressive. I've never seen a bike wearing a helmet before! In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 00:15:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (IDENT:qmailr@XXXXXX [207.173.216.244]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6G4FP809550 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2690 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2000 04:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (24.15.187.164) by flash4.flashmail.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2000 04:15:45 -0000 Message-ID: <397136B2.AA673B53@flashmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:14:42 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Meyer CC: Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Touring riders gear References: <000d01bfeed7$236898e0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Meyer wrote: > That's pretty damned impressive. I've never seen a bike wearing a helmet > before! Actually, I read a couple of years ago, Delaware (I think) had a helmet law that essentially stated you had to have a helmet with you if you rode on the bike. You didn't actually *have* to wear it. Just strap it to the bike, and you were ok (at least in the eyes of the law). I think the rationale was that if you picked up a passenger, he/she would at least have an option to wear the helmet even if the rider didn't have the sense to. Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) Dale City, VA, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 01:30:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6G5Tx810619 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.64.4ab948a (3973); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:29:50 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <64.4ab948a.26a2a24e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:29:50 EDT Subject: Re: VIR Races To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/15/00 4:00:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Boiade@XXXXXX writes: > Is anyone going to VIR? I race on Friday so I need to be there Thursday > night. Anyone going Thursday night? Uhhh... by any chance are you looking at the original tentative WERA schedule that had the July VIR date on it which was later cancelled? (and another Nelson Ledges date added to the Mid-Atl schedule - ::blech::) - Brian From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 07:11:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6GBBb818117 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.20.8b8a525 (4592); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: <20.8b8a525.26a2f25b@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:11:23 EDT Subject: Re: VIR Races To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/16/00 1:29:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BryanRoach writes: << Uhhh... by any chance are you looking at the original tentative WERA schedule that had the July VIR date on it which was later cancelled? (and another Nelson Ledges date added to the Mid-Atl schedule - ::blech::) >> HAHAHAHA, I had just returned from Saudi Arabia (had been back a few hours) and was jetlagged (20 hour trip altogether), not to mention no booze for over a week. Sorry for the false alarm. VIR is in August. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 08:49:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6GCnA819593 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-54.patriot.net [209.249.180.54]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6GCmwn17301; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3971AD93.156D13A5@patriot.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:41:55 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Bob Meyer , Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Touring riders gear References: <000d01bfeed7$236898e0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> <397136B2.AA673B53@flashmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That would be Delaware. Must have helmet with you, but you don't have to wear it. Passangers (co-riders) under 19 must wear a helmet, and seeing as DE's age of consent is 12, an under 19 biker chick is a strong possibility. Bill Dale Horstman wrote: > Actually, I read a couple of years ago, Delaware (I think) had a helmet > law that essentially stated you had to have a helmet with you if you > rode > on the bike. You didn't actually *have* to wear it. Just strap it to > the bike, and you were ok (at least in the eyes of the law). > > I think the rationale was that if you picked up a passenger, he/she > would at least have an option to wear the helmet even if the rider > didn't > have the sense to. > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 13:37:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (IDENT:65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6GHbm823836 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26446 invoked by uid 48381); 16 Jul 2000 13:37:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:38 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [Fwd: Fw: Protest] Message-ID: <20000716133737.A26437@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i I should be able to make it although it depends on the date. -- Matthew Harrell The perversity of the universe Bit Twiddlers, Inc. tends to a maximum. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 15:47:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6GJlh825798 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-248-95.s349.tnt8.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.248.95] helo=todd) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13DuO3-0003s8-00; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:47:39 -0400 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "AA DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: Dealing with Tailgaters Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:39:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfef5d$99e54640$5ff87ad1@todd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <396F34BB.FBB387FD@flashmail.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > > --> It's already been said before but bears repeating. If the > right lane is > > clear and you are just tooling along, MOVE INTO IT! Make it a > habit. Don't > > be one of those assholes we all like to talk about by parking > in the left > > lane. > > Now what about the Beltway, where you've got more than two lanes? I don't > usually wanna move over all the way to the right, and deal with all the > merging cars/occasional slow driver in the correct lane, but I stay out > of the far left lane unless I'm passing somebody. Good enough? Yup! And your attitude about not wanting to deal with slower vehicles is shared, but that's what we are talking about after all. Only now you are the faster of the two. Truth be known, when I'm on the highway, I am usually in the far left lane moving fast enough to not piss off anyone behind me, or I'm out of the way. > > Is there such a thing as a middle lane hog? :) > I can think of a situation (and have been victem of one) where dip-sticks that THINK they are Geoff Gordon(sp) will pass you at a higher differential speed, on the right, if the guy on the left of you isn't going fast enough to allow for SPEEDY to pass you on that side. I think that qualifies for pretty dangerous. Common sense Dale. If you really don't need to be in a middle lane, move over. Or speed up and put your license at risk, like me ;-) Todd Peer (Springfield, VA) <----------------------------------------> * '91 ST1100, '98 VTR, * '83 VT500c(sold), * '92 CB750 (sold), * '94 XT350 (sold) * SS1k, FiTe V * IBA, AMA, HRCA, HSTA(7615), STOC(487) * 152,000 miles and counting <----------------------------------------> From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 16:21:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6GKLG826326 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.224.206.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.224.206]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24444; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" , "DC Cycles" , Subject: RE: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bfef62$75bfc9c0$cee0f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <396F33CD.A9E318B9@flashmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Ha ha! Good one. :) -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:38 AM To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: Dawn G.T. Gibson; DC Cycles; lgranato@XXXXXX Subject: Re: more interesting than SUV discussions :-) Big Matty wrote: > > I'll lead if the date is good. > Matt If the date is good, she will let you lead...uh, wait, we're not talking about ballroom dancing here, are we? Nevermind. :) Horkster (waltz, foxtrot, rumba, swing) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 16:23:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6GKNQ826336 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-21.s21.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.21]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Duwe-0006oe-00; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:23:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: MJordan666@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:28:46 GMT Message-ID: <3974440f.19701256@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6GKNR826337 |>Remove the front wheel - this will usually result in the bike resting on its |>rear wheel when the weight of the front wheel is removed. If it doesn't, a |>few pounds of something placed on the passenger seat will take care of that. I recommend rope to tie down the back end rather than putting weight on it. Why? Well here I am trying to borrow the speedometer gear on my 250. I Put the bike up on center stand. I put a cinderblock on the backseat.. now two.. needs more weight.. I put a rim on top of that. Everything balanced okay? yep. cool. Work on the bike, making sure not to shake it... when.. CRASH.. the weight falls off on the right hand side of my bike. I think "oh no, it probobably cracked some plastic".. I go look.. cool no plastic damage... go back to work.. later on I look.. look at that.. why is my footpeg on the ground? Oh no, the weight landed on the peg and snapped the footpeg bracket in half. Anyone know a cheap welders spot in maryland? :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 16:36:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6GKZx826557 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.99.7a5b0b4 (4004) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <99.7a5b0b4.26a376a4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:35:48 EDT Subject: Oil clean up? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 I had the clutch cover gasket blow last night. Spewed oil all over the rear end of the bike (even some on the plastics) and the right side of the rear tire. Whats a good product or procedure to clean up oil? Also whats good to clean oil from concrete? Thanks From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 18:54:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6GMs8828593 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA07986; Sun, 16 Jul 1972 18:59:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1972 18:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX cc: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( In-Reply-To: <3974440f.19701256@smtp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>Remove the front wheel - this will usually result in the bike resting on its > |>rear wheel when the weight of the front wheel is removed. If it doesn't, a > |>few pounds of something placed on the passenger seat will take care of that. > > I recommend rope to tie down the back end rather than putting weight > on it. Or use a small jack to hold up front end; or a couple pieces of scrap wood; or... --garcia From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 20:00:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6H00U829664 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.94.7350b02 (8516) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.7350b02.26a3a686@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:00:06 EDT Subject: Colleen's web address To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 28 Would some one please post the above . Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 16 22:12:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6H2C7801722 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000717021154.14117.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.80.72] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:11:54 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:11:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Oil clean up? To: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Try " S100 Total Cycle Cleaner " comes in a pump-spray bottle and you can get it at Coleman PowerSport or Patriot Harley Davidson... It is a VERY concentrated soap, just spray it on, swirl it around with a rag or sponge and it should come off of your bike pretty easily..the stuff works miraculously on brake dust on your wheels too. The stuff is safe on plastic and metal. Not cheap, but works well. For the driveway..you might try spraying it with some "Simple Green" or some of the S100 Total Cycle Cleaner and then throwing PLENT of kitty litter on it and scrubbing it around with your foot... sweep it up and repeat process until it's gone. -Corbett '99K200RS --- GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX wrote: > I had the clutch cover gasket blow last night. > Spewed oil all over the rear > end of the bike (even some on the plastics) and the > right side of the rear > tire. Whats a good product or procedure to clean up > oil? Also whats good to > clean oil from concrete? porch> > > Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 00:52:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6H4qR804092 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15409 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA09687 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-127.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.127]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA05446; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "Tl1000" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" , "SV650" Subject: Summit Point photos from Sunday Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:51:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Album #1 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7212016 Album #2 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=107565&a=7212021 Gary From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 08:42:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HCgC812366 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markandbonnie.com (pm3b-82.elkins.meer.net [216.206.137.82]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id FAA8164823 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3973054C.C9C05591@markandbonnie.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:08:30 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Mountain Highlands Motorcycle Mystery Tour 2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, several weeks ago I posted the idea of a West Virginia Ride. I received a lot of interest. After a lot of work I have everything arranged. It's going to be a lot of fun and on some of the best of the best two lane mountain roads you've ever ridden on. The ride begins September 8th (Friday) and ends sunday at noon. I had to limit it to 50 people. There will be two groups... a "spirited group" and the "wow, look at the scenery" group. All information about the ride can be found at: http://mountainhighlands.com/motorcycle/ Email me with any questions. Mark Branciaroli From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 09:37:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HDbc813244 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-199.s453.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.199] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EB5T-0004Ab-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003501bfeff4$a1b64940$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: Subject: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:40:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFD3.1A0D9960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFD3.1A0D9960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anybody experienced difficulty parking motorcycles in Ocean City? = In particular, have you ever gotten ticketed for parking more than two = motorcycles in a metered space? =20 Kathleen Loerich ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFD3.1A0D9960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anybody experienced difficulty = parking=20 motorcycles in Ocean City?  In particular, have you ever gotten = ticketed=20 for parking more than two motorcycles in a metered space?  =
 
Kathleen = Loerich
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01BFEFD3.1A0D9960-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 09:44:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HDij813341 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA1535125 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39730DC8.48C27A5B@radix.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:44:40 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City References: <003501bfeff4$a1b64940$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > Has anybody experienced difficulty parking motorcycles in Ocean City? > In particular, have you ever gotten ticketed for parking more than two > motorcycles in a metered space? While not specifically addressing your question, I won't even go to OC due to my observations of the OC PD's conduct. The kicker for me was coming into OC to 4 city cop cars having pulled over a minivan with wood on the side, officers out, with guns pointing at the driver ; who was a woman that was 80 + if she was a day... I've heard that disputing OC parking tickets you have about as much success as in DC... Hopefully someone else here knows a little more about the situation... Good luck. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 10:21:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HEL9813977 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.93]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21447; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397341AA.FDFB0567@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:26:02 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,alt.motorcycle.sportbike To: DC Cycles , Suzuki Bikes , parr@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Night 3 - last reminder Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A last reminder for y'all. Hope as many of you as possible will be able to come to Bike Night 3 at Grevey's in Falls Church, VA tomorrow night (Tuesday, July 18th), 7pm to 11pm. All the details are on the website http://www.geocities.com/bikenight Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles '93 GSXR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 10:33:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe52.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HEXX814189 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:33:14 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: References: <003501bfeff4$a1b64940$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> <39730DC8.48C27A5B@radix.net> Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:33:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2000 14:33:14.0505 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0C6BF90:01BFEFFB] According to MD law: article 26-301 on MD General Assembly web page(transportation)...you can search for it. No political subdivision may impose a law that prevents parking of 2 motorcycles on one parking meter. This is the only MD law that I was able to find on the books for this issue. I'm researching this very issue for Baltimore and I get conflicting statements from Baltimore City information. They claim that they can give you a ticket if there is more then 1 bike on the meter even if it isn't operational. However, I can tell you that you seem to be out of luck on this one as there is nothing in MD law that prevents OC for imposing this rule Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Yates" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > > Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > > > Has anybody experienced difficulty parking motorcycles in Ocean City? > > In particular, have you ever gotten ticketed for parking more than two > > motorcycles in a metered space? > > While not specifically addressing your question, I won't even go to OC > due to my observations of the OC PD's conduct. The kicker for me was > coming into OC to 4 city cop cars having pulled over a minivan with wood > on the side, officers out, with guns pointing at the driver ; who was a > woman that was 80 + if she was a day... > I've heard that disputing OC parking tickets you have about as much > success as in DC... Hopefully someone else here knows a little more > about the situation... > > Good luck. > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 10:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6HEZD814268 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 17276 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2000 07:35:04 -0700 Date: 17 Jul 2000 07:35:04 -0700 Message-ID: <20000717143504.17275.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 17 Jul 2000 14:35:04 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 17 Jul 2000 07:35:04 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: scenic ride-need to pick date I received a great response for the chilled out DC Cycles ride, so now it's time to pick a date. I have a few people who volunteered to lead, and one who volunteered to sweep. Depending on how many people respond, we may break into two groups. I was thinking either Sat. Aug 12, or Sat. Aug 19. If you're planning on going, please respond to which of these (or both) would work for you and I'll organize a ride for the day that works for the majority. Once we get that all settled we'll pick our ride leader and get things squared away. I look forward to meeting those of you I haven't met yet! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 10:43:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6HEhB814345 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Mon Jul 17 07:46:20 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <35787J61>; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5745@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: "'Genna Melamed'" Subject: RE: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:41:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For what it's worth, College Park used to require motorcycles to park one to a space and would ticket if two bikes were parked on a meter. However, it was fought and beat a few years back. I'm pretty sure that two bikes to a meter is now allowed as a result of the challenge. I don't remember the details, though. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Genna Melamed [mailto:genna_m@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:33 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City According to MD law: article 26-301 on MD General Assembly web page(transportation)...you can search for it. No political subdivision may impose a law that prevents parking of 2 motorcycles on one parking meter. This is the only MD law that I was able to find on the books for this issue. I'm researching this very issue for Baltimore and I get conflicting statements from Baltimore City information. They claim that they can give you a ticket if there is more then 1 bike on the meter even if it isn't operational. However, I can tell you that you seem to be out of luck on this one as there is nothing in MD law that prevents OC for imposing this rule Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna > > Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > > > Has anybody experienced difficulty parking motorcycles in Ocean City? > > In particular, have you ever gotten ticketed for parking more than two > > motorcycles in a metered space? > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 12:05:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HG5D815719 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-206.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.206]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21092 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:05:01 -0400 Posted-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:05:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01bff008$d28b1c80$cea4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Dissing Distractions -- NHTSA Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:05:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Almost been/have been planked by a phoning cager? (Or maybe you've got the electronic answer to preventing same.) Here's an unofficial update of the NHTSA Driver Distraction proceeding. The AMA has issued a Press Release on this and is acting. The Washington Post did a piece also. And there's other action nationwide. NHTSA Notice at: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/include/crash-avoidance/DriverDistraction/Distr actionFN.html Two events are upon us: o The Public Meeting all day tomorrow. AMA's Sean Maher is on the a.m. agenda. The attendance contact is shown below. Agenda at http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/include/crash-avoidance/DriverDistraction/agend a.htm o The Internet forum operating until August 11. This a cookie-imperative site (to me, anyway), on which I've frowned to the webmaster. Also (name, org) registration required to make comment with anonymous posting an option: All probably meant to keep it rigorous and professional. www.driverdistraction.org What for us to do? As a potential distraction victim I'm probably going to wait for post-meeting comments by AMA to see how to best place limited time. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 --> Save me from phoners! Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. *******excerpts from NHTSA site: Public Meeting: NHTSA will hold the public meeting on Tuesday, July 18, 2000, starting at 8:30 a.m. and ending at about 5:00 p.m. or earlier as determined by the number of presenters. A preliminary agenda will be posted on NHTSA's Web site at URL http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/nhtsa/announce/meetings/, by June 30, 2000. Public Meeting: The public meeting will be held in Room 2230, U.S. Department of Transportation, 400 Seventh Street, S.W., Washington, DC 20590. Written Comments: If you wish to submit written comments on the issues related to distraction or any topics discussed at the public meeting, those comments should be submitted to Docket No. NHTSA-99-6270 at the following address: Docket Management Facility, U.S. Department of Transportation, Room PL-401, 400 Seventh Street, S.W., Washington, DC 20590. Docket hours for hand delivery are from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. on weekdays. Comments can be sent by fax to 202-493-2251 or by electronic submission. The electronic submission procedure is described in the Docket Management section of NHTSA's Web site. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: For technical questions: Michael Perel, Office of Vehicle Safety Research, NRD-13, 400 Seventh Street, S.W., Washington, DC 20590 (telephone: 202-366-5675, fax: 202-366-7237, E-mail: DriverDistraction@XXXXXX). To participate in the public meeting: Rita Gibbons (telephone: 202-366-4862, fax: 202-366-5930, E-mail: DriverDistraction@XXXXXX). E-mail or fax is preferred. ********end NHTSA info ********AMA press release G00020 Contact: Bill Kresnak July 3, 2000 Phone: (614) 856-1900 For Immediate Release Fax: (614) 856-1920 U.S. Agency Hosting Internet Forum on Driver Distractions PICKERINGTON, Ohio --The American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) is urging motorcyclists to let federal traffic safety officials know how they feel about motorists using cell phones, faxes and other equipment while driving. Federal traffic safety officials are exploring the dangers related to car drivers using "advanced in-vehicle technologies" -- including phones, faxes, connections to the Internet, and heads-up displays of information -- in an Internet forum July 5 through Aug. 11. "This new communications technology is being promoted without considering the dangers that driver distractions pose for motorcyclists and others who share the road with vehicles equipped with this technology," said Sean Maher, AMA legislative affairs specialist. "We need to let federal officials know that we're concerned." The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is holding the forum to give the public and technical experts the opportunity to download technical papers about driver distractions caused by new technologies, as well as to ask questions about the papers and talk about experiences with in-vehicle devices. The forum website address will be www.driverdistraction.org. -30- The American Motorcyclist Association is a 266,000-member non-profit organization. Established in 1924, the Association's purpose is to pursue, protect and promote the interests of motorcyclists, while serving the needs of its members. For more information, visit the AMA website at www.AMADirectlink.com. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 12:32:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tiamat.obscure.org (dns1.obscure.org [208.36.109.183]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HGWV816194 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (brown@localhost) by tiamat.obscure.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04439 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:32:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:32:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Brown To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Helmets. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >From a Racer -- but someone who survived to tell the tale: http://www.clarity.net/~paul/temp/helmet/ -- Dan Brown brown@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 12:35:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HGZw816291 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:35:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200007171235.AA467599818@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Boiade@XXXXXX >Why in the world would anyone on a bike have a problem with a tailgater? > Because in bad weather conditions (rain, dark, wet leaves on the road) crazed cagers often want to go faster than sensible motorcyclists. Actually, they'll do that in good weather, too. But I see your point :-) -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 13:32:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HHWZ817389 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id s.25.870713c (4333); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <25.870713c.26a49d26@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:32:22 EDT Subject: Re: fork tube leaking :( To: robert@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 7/15/00 11:27:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robert@XXXXXX writes: > This bike is only worth like $1200 at most and paying to have the seals > replaced will cost like $300-$400. I'd like to try to do it myself but > I don't have a garage at the moment. Whomever quoted you that price... is ripping you off. Two jackstands (or centerstand, or tie downs attached to celing - whatever), a set of allens and sockets, about 30 minutes, and you'll have fork tube in hand. Take it to CycleSport, hand them the tube. Should only cost you $60-$80 to have the seal replaced. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 13:43:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HHh4817573 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.62.5614256 (4237) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:42:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Message-ID: <62.5614256.26a49f9a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:42:50 EDT Subject: How mad at Loudoun Motorsports should I be? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 Hello all, Four weeks ago I brought my Superhawk into Loudoun Motorsports for repairs. Of course, the fire at their shop put a temporary hold on the repairs, but I have been in close contact with the owner and head mechanic (including helping put their office furniture together so they could have their re-opening last Saturday). I have informed them repeatedly that I'm leaving for West Virginia Bike Week on the 19th, and they have repeatedly told me "no problem, it will be done." Well, it's not done...it's not even started. They've offered to fix the turn signal and brake pedal to make my bike "road worthy"...but hell, I could have done that myself four weeks ago. So I'm wondering how mad I have a right to be. One the one hand they had a fire...got to give them some slack there. On the other hand, they've promised that it would be ready subsequent to the fire. I'm also the president of the Honda Rider's Club sponsored out of their shop, and I'm ready to walk away in disgust. I would appreciate any feedback if you all think I'm being unreasonable. Thank you -Matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 13:53:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HHrR817767 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA1075455 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3973480A.D9280B91@radix.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 13:53:14 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How mad at Loudoun Motorsports should I be? References: <62.5614256.26a49f9a@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hello all, > > Four weeks ago I brought my Superhawk into Loudoun Motorsports for repairs. > Of course, the fire at their shop put a temporary hold on the repairs, but I > have been in close contact with the owner and head mechanic (including > helping put their office furniture together so they could have their > re-opening last Saturday). I have informed them repeatedly that I'm leaving > for West Virginia Bike Week on the 19th, and they have repeatedly told me "no > problem, it will be done." I assume by repeatedly, you mean more than twice ? Well, it's not done...it's not even started. > They've offered to fix the turn signal and brake pedal to make my bike "road > worthy"...but hell, I could have done that myself four weeks ago. It would seem that they've nominated you for the new lead role in the up coming Deliverance remake... > > So I'm wondering how mad I have a right to be. One the one hand they had a > fire...got to give them some slack there. On the other hand, they've > promised that it would be ready subsequent to the fire. I say if after the fire they were unable to meet your 'due date' AND you have repeatedly talked to them & made sure they heard & understood that you absolutely needed the bike back by the 19th then you have a right to be angry that it isn't ready, but disappointed that Loudon didn't at least have the courtesey to let you know with enough time to get it fixed somewhere else. A fact that you should point out to the owner & service manager. > > I'm also the president of the Honda Rider's Club sponsored out of their shop, > and I'm ready to walk away in disgust. Only you can make that judgement, based on your previous experiences there. Regardless of all the banter one way or the other about the shop, you really need to make your own assessment. If they've done good work for you in the past, or you have a lifetime discount or what have you, then I'd say forgiveness is worth considering IMHO. I know it's unfortunate about the fire, but surely, they could have at least broken a wrench or two on your bike by now... In the computer biz, that's called FIFO (first in first out). -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 14:36:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HIaT818791 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-21.s21.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.21]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EFkf-0005u2-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:36:25 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Coleman, Perry" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'Genna Melamed'" Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:41:58 GMT Message-ID: <39737d42.99892291@smtp.erols.com> References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5745@md-exchange1.nai.com> In-Reply-To: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5745@md-exchange1.nai.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6HIax818792 In July of last year my MSF course instructor told me they do ticket for two bikes in one spot. Of course I don't know when the last time he went. It could have been years back. He does have some age on him. Someone just posted a law that says no subdivision can fine for that though. It looks like they shouldn't be able to, but i'd research it more. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 14:36:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HIav818794 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-21.s21.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.21]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EFl9-0005zl-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:36:55 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Genna Melamed" Cc: Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:42:28 GMT Message-ID: <39747db4.100006411@smtp.erols.com> References: <003501bfeff4$a1b64940$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> <39730DC8.48C27A5B@radix.net> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6HIb0818795 On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:33:07 -0400, you wrote: |>According to MD law: article 26-301 on MD General Assembly web |>page(transportation)...you can search for it. Anyone have the website for this? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 14:45:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.house.gov (orion.house.gov [143.231.86.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HIjl818979 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by orion.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA01840 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.house.gov: smap set sender to SIZE=1624 using -f Received: from ims02.house.gov(143.231.32.178) by orion via smap id xma001821; Mon, 17 Jul 00 14:41:33 -0400 Received: by ims02.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3G3FB3AY>; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:45:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:45:32 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) interesting, how do the determine which bike to fine? I know I'd be a little peeved if I parked my bike only to find it ticketed later because somebody else scooted in with me. > ---------- > From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX[SMTP:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:41 PM > To: Coleman, Perry > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX; 'Genna Melamed' > Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > > In July of last year my MSF course instructor told me they do ticket > for two bikes in one spot. Of course I don't know when the last time > he went. It could have been years back. He does have some age on him. > Someone just posted a law that says no subdivision can fine for that > though. > > It looks like they shouldn't be able to, but i'd research it more. > > Daniel > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 14:46:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HIkI818997 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-21.s21.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.21]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EFuC-0007MK-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:46:17 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Lordorange@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How mad at Loudoun Motorsports should I be? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:51:50 GMT Message-ID: <39757eb7.100265666@smtp.erols.com> References: <62.5614256.26a49f9a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <62.5614256.26a49f9a@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6HIkK818998 |>Four weeks ago I brought my Superhawk into Loudoun Motorsports for repairs. I think you should present that assement to the store owner. Tell them how dissapointed you are. See if maybe they can do something to make up for your dissapointment.. free helmet, lifetime discount.. or something. A friend of my ordered an alpinestar jacket from battley's cycle i think it was. He kept calling, and they kept saying "next week" and a good while later, it finally came... along the way they gave him a big discount on the pants and also on boots.. because he kept calling and saying how much he needs his protective riding gear. So don't think negatively, some places will try to make it up to the customer, if they fully understand your point of veiw and sympathize. "i'm so dissapointed, I want to be angry but what good will it do? Have you ever been this fustrated?" : ) Good luck and let us know how this progresses. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 14:47:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HIlI819007 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-21.s21.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.21]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EFvA-0007U0-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:47:17 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Lordorange@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: How mad at Loudoun Motorsports should I be? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:52:50 GMT Message-ID: <39768001.100595292@smtp.erols.com> References: <62.5614256.26a49f9a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <62.5614256.26a49f9a@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6HIlK819008 BTW avoid dealerships for repair work.. find someone on the list that will do it.. and pay them.. or if you can't find anyone, I know someone in maryland who can do the work. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 14:47:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe43.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HIlr819017 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:47:45 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: , "Coleman, Perry" Cc: References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5745@md-exchange1.nai.com> <39737d42.99892291@smtp.erols.com> Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:47:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2000 18:47:45.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EBB4DC0:01BFF01F] Yeah, I posted that law. go to http://mlis.state.md.us Under Other Documents click on 2000 Statute text and go to transportation section article 26-301. This is a quote _______________ (b) Subject to subsection (c) of this section, any State agency authorized by law and any political subdivision of this State may adopt ordinances or regulations that: (1) Regulate the parking of vehicles; (2) Provide for the impounding of vehicles parked in violation of the ordinances or regulations; (3) Regulate the towing of vehicles from publicly owned and privately owned parking lots; and (4) Provide for the issuance of a citation by an officer for a violation of an ordinance or regulation that is adopted under this section. (c) A political subdivision may not adopt or enforce an ordinance or regulation that prohibits the parking of two motorcycles within a space served by a single parking meter. (d) (1) In this subsection, "rental vehicle" means a vehicle that is rented or leased for a period not exceeding 180 days. ______________ This is a new law as of 1999 or 2000(not sure) I am having someone in Baltimore City law department to research this issue for me. I know it may/may not apply to OC, but I'll post the results when I get more info Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Coleman, Perry" Cc: ; "'Genna Melamed'" Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:41 PM Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City In July of last year my MSF course instructor told me they do ticket for two bikes in one spot. Of course I don't know when the last time he went. It could have been years back. He does have some age on him. Someone just posted a law that says no subdivision can fine for that though. It looks like they shouldn't be able to, but i'd research it more. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 15:09:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6HJ9j819434 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA22821; Mon, 17 Jul 1972 15:11:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1972 15:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Garcia Oliver To: Genna Melamed cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No reply necssary...but how could such a state law *not* apply to Ocean City? It's part of Maryland, has not seceeded and (unfortunately) has not yet been swept into the sea. QED. --garcia From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 15:23:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from flashmail.com (flash3.flashmail.com [207.173.216.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6HJNW819717 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20355 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2000 19:23:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flashmail.com) (166.32.113.51) by flash3.flashmail.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2000 19:23:53 -0000 Message-ID: <39735CA1.322E45E1@flashmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:21:05 -0400 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Genna Melamed CC: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, "Coleman, Perry" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5745@md-exchange1.nai.com> <39737d42.99892291@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Genna Melamed wrote: > > (c) A political subdivision may not adopt or enforce an ordinance > or regulation that prohibits the parking of two motorcycles within a space > served by a single parking meter. Only two? If space is tight in town, I bet you could get 3 or 4 bikes in a cage spot, if you really wanted to. If they'd only outlaw cars, our commuting and parking woes would be solved. Your choice. Bus, Train, Metro, or Bike. Heh! :) I mean face it, Al Gore wants you on the first 3 anyway. We can compromise here... :) Horkster -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 15:28:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HJSS819805 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:28:05 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DD3@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Non-Moto: Web site management Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:20:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I have a website, now I need to upload and manage it. Its a pretty big one. What software is out there. I can buy something if its good... Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 15:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HJUI819897 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id PAA12478 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000717153614.0081e730@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:36:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: bike crash Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody we know?? http://fredericknewspost.com/display.cfm?storyid=6303 Lisa From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 15:39:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lycanthrope.crosslink.net (lycanthrope.crosslink.net [206.246.124.36]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HJdn820012 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver1.crosslink.net (yeti.crosslink.net [206.246.124.17]) by lycanthrope.crosslink.net (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id PAA12811; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:39:40 -0400 X-Really-To: Received: from [128.38.92.19] (account ) by mailserver1.crosslink.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1) with HTTP id 15732083; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:39:40 -0400 From: biga@XXXXXX (Andrew Culpepper) Subject: Re: Dealing with Tailgaters To: , X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200007171235.AA467599818@mail.toward.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a good article (I think all of them on this site are): http://motorbyte.com/mmm/pages/safety/safety36.htm Andrew From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 17:47:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HLlB822320 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chameleon (user-2ivf0vq.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.131.250]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05724; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000717174215.00bd9710@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:46:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, vfr@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: 560 miles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just an update - Sunday I made the 560 mile trip from Northern VA to Durham, NC via Skyline Drive, Blue Ridge Pkwy and countless back roads. Started at 9am, finished at 9:00pm with about an hour worth of breaks in between. Legs were a little stiff but NO wrist pain. Neck was a little sore from the 2 hours of highway slab and upright wind buffeting. Saw many deer, heard tales from several bikers of black bears on the BRP but didn't run into any. Average speed : 51 Mph, but remember that Skyline is posted 35 (Made the 3 hour ride in 2.25) and BRP is 45Mph. Stuck behind many campers and large groups of HOGs doing what they do best. Looking forward to the return on Saturday. Cheers. _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org/vfr '97 Honda VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 18:00:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HM0O822576 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000717220017.ITL2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:00:17 -0700 Message-ID: <00ba01bff039$52e98120$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <000d01bfeed7$236898e0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> <397136B2.AA673B53@flashmail.com> Subject: Re: Touring riders gear Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:52:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Dale, You're right it is Delaware (My home state). The law states that there must be one helmet on the bike per person. The net result of the law is that riders who don't have a helmet lock or don't want to risk damage to their body work "wear" their helmet on their elbow. For full face helmets, open the face shield, put your arm through the neck opening and out through the face opening. For Open face helmets, fasten strap and dangle from elbow. Does this sound stupid to any one else? James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Horstman" To: "Bob Meyer" Cc: "Troutman" ; Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 12:14 AM Subject: Re: Touring riders gear > Actually, I read a couple of years ago, Delaware (I think) had a helmet > law that essentially stated you had to have a helmet with you if you > rode > on the bike. You didn't actually *have* to wear it. Just strap it to > the bike, and you were ok (at least in the eyes of the law). > > I think the rationale was that if you picked up a passenger, he/she > would at least have an option to wear the helmet even if the rider > didn't > have the sense to. > > Horkster > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > Dale City, VA, USA, Earth > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - BugSlayer > 1999 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - Grape Nehi From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 18:05:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HM5a822657 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-199.s453.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.199] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EJ13-0005XN-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bff03b$998db180$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Genna Melamed" , References: <003501bfeff4$a1b64940$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> <39730DC8.48C27A5B@radix.net> Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:08:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 According to state law, a municipality may restrict parking to a limit of two motorcycles per metered space. It may not set a limit at anything less than two. The reason that the state law was enacted was to prevent cities like Ocean City from giving tickets to motorcyclists if there was more than one motorcycle parked in a space. Originally, when the law was submitted to the General Assembly, the intention was for there to be no limit to the number of motorcycles. However, it was ammended prior to being voted on and now there is the two bike limit for those municipalities that choose to enforce it. As for Baltimore, before the state law (1996 I think) they could give you a ticket. Now they cannot unless you park more than two per space and they have a local law that says they can do it. I don't understand the comment about 'if it isn't operational'. Does that refer to the meter or the bike? Ocean City (and Baltimore for that matter) can impose a two bike limit. I was contemplating another try at the General Assembly to get rid of the two bike limit. I was mostly curious about what difficulties the two bike limit causes for folks in Ocean City, Baltimore, or anywhere in the state for that matter. Kathleen Loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Genna Melamed To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:33 Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > According to MD law: article 26-301 on MD General Assembly web > page(transportation)...you can search for it. > > No political subdivision may impose a law that prevents parking of 2 > motorcycles on one parking meter. > > This is the only MD law that I was able to find on the books for this issue. > I'm researching this very issue for Baltimore and I get conflicting > statements from Baltimore City information. They claim that they can give > you a ticket if there is more then 1 bike on the meter even if it isn't > operational. > > However, I can tell you that you seem to be out of luck on this one as there > is nothing in MD law that prevents OC for imposing this rule > > Genna Melamed > genna@XXXXXX > www.erols.com/genna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Yates" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > > > > > Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > > > > > Has anybody experienced difficulty parking motorcycles in Ocean City? > > > In particular, have you ever gotten ticketed for parking more than two > > > motorcycles in a metered space? > > > > While not specifically addressing your question, I won't even go to OC > > due to my observations of the OC PD's conduct. The kicker for me was > > coming into OC to 4 city cop cars having pulled over a minivan with wood > > on the side, officers out, with guns pointing at the driver ; who was a > > woman that was 80 + if she was a day... > > I've heard that disputing OC parking tickets you have about as much > > success as in DC... Hopefully someone else here knows a little more > > about the situation... > > > > Good luck. > > > > -- > > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Programmer > > (301) 496-3760 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 18:11:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HMB2822670 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-199.s453.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.199] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EJ6J-0006gd-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: <007e01bff03c$5c0ca5e0$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Haring, Seth" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:14:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 That's how you can beat the ticket if you contest it. They have to figure out who the criminal is since everyone in the spot gets a ticket. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Haring, Seth Cc: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 14:45 Subject: RE: Parking in Ocean City > > interesting, how do the determine which bike to fine? > > I know I'd be a little peeved if I parked my bike only to find it ticketed > later because somebody else scooted in with me. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 18:24:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HMOO822912 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-21.s21.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.21]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EJJF-0006u3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:24:21 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Every saturday Drive 55 protest ride Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:29:57 GMT Message-ID: <3973b1db.113358921@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6HMOa822913 Reno on the burgandy 12 organized this event. (every saturday this month) specifics: meet at 12 p.m. at the rivertown mall checkers st barnabas rd right? route: from that beltway exit 4 north to the college park exit 25, turn around on 95-south, and back to 295 then to NY ave checkers. purpose: to show sportbike riders riding in a peaceful law abiding manner as a community and show who the real aggressive drivers are, and that motorcycles shouldnt' be singled out. Ride on the 3 right lanes and leave the passing lane open. 15 bikes were at the last event, and the # is expected to grow as word gets out. We will be doing this for the next 3 saturdays. Further protest will be decided later. Those without bikes are welcomed to come along in a car. Especially if you have a camcorder, to record the cars/trucks that come around on the shoulder and intentionally cut off, and wrecklessly endanger the law abiding riders of this protest. (as they have done last week). Below is the flyer as written by Reno: Promoting a peaceful ride at 55 on 95 Well people in helping Maryland State Police making our highways safer, we are promoting (A Peaceful Ride At 55 On 95) starting on Sat 7/15/00 for a month (every Sat). We are meeting at the Checekrs in River town shopping center in oxon hill at 12 noon and leaving at 1 p.m. The ride will go from exit 4 North on 95 to exit 25, then we will turn around and head back down 95 South taking up all 3 lanes except for the left passing lane, driving only at 55 mph. Then we will take 295 into dc to the checkers on New York Avenue. The news and radio stations ahve been called in advance so it will be televised. Please wear a white T shirt with 55 on the back (over your gear). This is to show that it's not all sport bike riders that drive at high speeds, it's people in cars and trucks driving reckless and at high speeds as well as creating fatal accidents. Not all sport bike riders drive 150 MPH. I hope one day that all motorists in cars and trucks will give motorcycles a little bit more respect. We are only on two wheels you know, without the protection of doors. I would like to say THANKS to the Maryland State Troopers for getting the jet helicopter and BMW motorcycles to help catch speeders (operation road round up). The majority of us sport bike riders are behind you ONE hundered percent. I would like to say thanks to the news and radio stations for listening to us and getting our side of the story out to the public. We are asking all bike riders with VALID drivers lisceneses to participate. Please send this to all the riders you know. If not by email, then please give them a call. RENO!!! Ps: kawasaki rules =========== I also would like to make note that off duty police officers are riding along with thier bikes. The reckless automobiles that come on the shoulder tend to back off when that badge comes out. I Still would like cars with camcorders to come along. Would make for some great news footage showing that CARS are the true reckless & agreessive vehicles killing other motorists. how often do we see sportbikes cutting off cars "to get back at them"? never. That's like playing russian roulette in someone elses house to make them "pay". Many of you didn't know about the event this past saturday, nor did I. I did meet up with them afterwards. I will be out there with our friends & fellow riders next saturday. Will you? BTW, I repeat, cars supporting the ride, are especially welcome to follow behind us, acting as a barrier to protect the riders from tail gaters. (note signs in the rear window are illegal). Bring your camcorders if you have them, and help record activities that show who the real dangerous DRIVERS are, that willfully endanger other peoples lives. Daniel see you saturday! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 20:30:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6I0UB825038 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gennapc2000 ([24.23.39.3]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000718003004.DYDV2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@gennapc2000>; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:30:04 -0700 Message-ID: <002701bff04f$552b58d0$0300a8c0@gennapc2000> From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Kathleen Loerich" , References: <003501bfeff4$a1b64940$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> <39730DC8.48C27A5B@radix.net> <004901bff03b$998db180$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:30:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 I meant when the meter is not operational ( as on weekend) Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Genna Melamed" ; Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > According to state law, a municipality may restrict parking to a limit of > two motorcycles per metered space. It may not set a limit at anything less > than two. The reason that the state law was enacted was to prevent cities > like Ocean City from giving tickets to motorcyclists if there was more than > one motorcycle parked in a space. Originally, when the law was submitted to > the General Assembly, the intention was for there to be no limit to the > number of motorcycles. However, it was ammended prior to being voted on and > now there is the two bike limit for those municipalities that choose to > enforce it. > > As for Baltimore, before the state law (1996 I think) they could give you a > ticket. Now they cannot unless you park more than two per space and they > have a local law that says they can do it. > > I don't understand the comment about 'if it isn't operational'. Does that > refer to the meter or the bike? > > Ocean City (and Baltimore for that matter) can impose a two bike limit. I > was contemplating another try at the General Assembly to get rid of the two > bike limit. I was mostly curious about what difficulties the two bike limit > causes for folks in Ocean City, Baltimore, or anywhere in the state for that > matter. > > Kathleen Loerich > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Genna Melamed > To: > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:33 > Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > > > > According to MD law: article 26-301 on MD General Assembly web > > page(transportation)...you can search for it. > > > > No political subdivision may impose a law that prevents parking of 2 > > motorcycles on one parking meter. > > > > This is the only MD law that I was able to find on the books for this > issue. > > I'm researching this very issue for Baltimore and I get conflicting > > statements from Baltimore City information. They claim that they can give > > you a ticket if there is more then 1 bike on the meter even if it isn't > > operational. > > > > However, I can tell you that you seem to be out of luck on this one as > there > > is nothing in MD law that prevents OC for imposing this rule > > > > Genna Melamed > > genna@XXXXXX > > www.erols.com/genna > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Yates" > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:44 AM > > Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > > > > > > > > Kathleen Loerich wrote: > > > > > > > > Has anybody experienced difficulty parking motorcycles in Ocean City? > > > > In particular, have you ever gotten ticketed for parking more than two > > > > motorcycles in a metered space? > > > > > > While not specifically addressing your question, I won't even go to OC > > > due to my observations of the OC PD's conduct. The kicker for me was > > > coming into OC to 4 city cop cars having pulled over a minivan with wood > > > on the side, officers out, with guns pointing at the driver ; who was a > > > woman that was 80 + if she was a day... > > > I've heard that disputing OC parking tickets you have about as much > > > success as in DC... Hopefully someone else here knows a little more > > > about the situation... > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > -- > > > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > > > Dave Yates > > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > > > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > > Systems Programmer > > > (301) 496-3760 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 20:37:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6I0bN825127 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.213.139.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.213.139]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26975; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:37:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , Subject: RE: scenic ride-need to pick date Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:31:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bff04f$7308c360$8bd5f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000717143504.17275.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal I saw that another guy offered to lead, AND keep the pace moderate (almost forgot that was a requirement! ha ha!). Better take him up on it as I've been known to get a little antsy on slower paces. Both dates are open for me right now, so still planning to tag along at this point. Matt -----Original Message----- From: LAURA GRANATO [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:35 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: scenic ride-need to pick date I received a great response for the chilled out DC Cycles ride, so now it's time to pick a date. I have a few people who volunteered to lead, and one who volunteered to sweep. Depending on how many people respond, we may break into two groups. I was thinking either Sat. Aug 12, or Sat. Aug 19. If you're planning on going, please respond to which of these (or both) would work for you and I'll organize a ride for the day that works for the majority. Once we get that all settled we'll pick our ride leader and get things squared away. I look forward to meeting those of you I haven't met yet! Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 20:55:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6I0tN825367 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.213.139.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.213.139]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA24196; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: , , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bff051$f226a7a0$8bd5f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3978a09b.220389685@smtp.erols.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal One point of clarification: The yahoo club has several thousand members; the actual DC Sportbike Riders has only 80 or so. I know DC Cycles doesn't want to be judged "as a club" for the actions of one or a few of its members, and especially for the actions of those who just happen to be on the email list. Please try to extend the same courtesy to other clubs that you want for yourselves (not judging an organized club based on posts of people who aren't even members). I'll get off my soapbox now. Matt "Danny, how many lists are you on, anyway???" -----Original Message----- From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX [mailto:daniel_ex250@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 7:33 PM To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX; D.C.Cycles-L Subject: Re: Fw: Protest The DC sportbike riders (and lady sportbike riders) are organizing a "memory to fallen riders" ride.. they plan to have the media involved to demonstrate the unity in the community of riders. Right now they are just kicking around ideas in organized meetings. It sounds like they're setting it up to go from route 50, aroudn the beltway and up to baltimore but i'm not sure. Even though YOU may not like some of the attitudes or illegal riding speeds of SOME (a few) of the members... just rember, this organized ride isnt' about who you're riding with, it's about showing your support for fallen riders... and showing the public via the media, that riders can ride in an organized, responsible manner. So I invite you to come along. When I find out the details, i'll post them. btw when they organized to go to philly at the ihop, they did an impromptu 'drive 55' Op Road Rocket protest. they had been kicking around the idea of a protest ride on the chatroom...and since they had the bikes, the idea came to fruition. I heard a couple of bikes were pulled over for riding too slow.. but weren't issued any citations. I wasnt' there, but that's what I heard happened. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 21:41:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6I1fs826065 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.cb.79d675d (4324) for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:41:36 EDT Subject: Re: Helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Dan observations about his helmet bring out the importance for racers to wear helmets. And based on the earlier, and somewhat heated exchange, concerning helmets in this forum, we may be looking at a cultural perspective regarding helmets. Sport bike owners who tend toward the higher speed ranges tend to believe in the necessity of the helmet while the non-sport bike crowd tend to consider helmets within the context of their riding environment at lower speeds and a perhaps more benign environment. Kathleen, as legislative representative, what are your thoughts on the efficacy of proposing legislation that retains helmets for sport bikes while giving non-sport bike operators the discretion to ride without the helmet. This legislation gives sport bike operators the sense of security voiced in earlier emails and permits non-sport bike operators the options more appropriate for 'easy riding." (Contact me off line if you want to.) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 22:02:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6I22e826435 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-127.patriot.net [209.249.180.127]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6I22ZO16388; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3973B912.A92AC0D1@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:55:30 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gawthrop@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmets. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a laugh and a half. "Easy riding"??? Would that be like under 15 MPH? Last time I checked a DOT helmet could adsorb a 14 point sumpin MPH impact and a Snell 17 point sumpin MPH before your brain kinda went *ouch*. In actual practice, not that I recomend practicing, a helmet can save the thinker at higher impact speeds because of the off-angle as opposed to a direct hit. I was probably coasting thru the air at 25+ when I bonked the pavement headfirst at an angle. Helmet sorta looks like Dan's but I didn't blink out. I keep it around to show all the squidlys who don't like helmets. Simple question, what do think your head would look like? (holding up one crunched Shoei) Lemme see, sportbikers wear lids, cruiser riders don't. Thus you make the rash assumption that ALL cruiser riders never exceed 15 MPH. Even at that sedate pace one's head is in danger. Why do smart bicyle riders wear lids? Oh, yeah, they're SMART! Hmm, guess that was a waste of bandwidth. Bill Gawthrop@XXXXXX wrote: > Dan observations about his helmet bring out the importance for racers to wear > helmets. And based on the earlier, and somewhat heated exchange, concerning > helmets in this forum, we may be looking at a cultural perspective regarding > helmets. Sport bike owners who tend toward the higher speed ranges tend to > believe in the necessity of the helmet while the non-sport bike crowd tend to > consider helmets within the context of their riding environment at lower > speeds and a perhaps more benign environment. > > Kathleen, as legislative representative, what are your thoughts on the > efficacy of proposing legislation that retains helmets for sport bikes while > giving non-sport bike operators the discretion to ride without the helmet. > This legislation gives sport bike operators the sense of security voiced in > earlier emails and permits non-sport bike operators the options more > appropriate for 'easy riding." > > (Contact me off line if you want to.) > > Bill Gawthrop > Maryland From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 22:12:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6I2C6826583 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.28.208.69] ([24.28.208.69]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:11:57 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:17:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Helmets. From: David Cross To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > This legislation gives sport bike operators the sense of security voiced in > earlier emails and permits non-sport bike operators the options more > appropriate for 'easy riding." Sure, and then by that logic why not change the law so that only owners of sports cars are required to wear seat belts but owners of mini-vans can have the option not to. Hell, lets make sports car owners wear helmets to, and fire suits like in NASCAR while we are at it. After all the goal is to save lives and reduce injuries isnt it? dave cross Wishing the government would stop trying to be my parent, and pissed at myself for biting on a helmet thread. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 22:34:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6I2YN826913 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:34:16 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: , Subject: RE: Helmets. Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:34:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001c01bff060$b5577e80$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Dan observations about his helmet bring out the importance for > racers to wear > helmets. And based on the earlier, and somewhat heated exchange, > concerning > helmets in this forum, we may be looking at a cultural > perspective regarding > helmets. Sport bike owners who tend toward the higher speed > ranges tend to > believe in the necessity of the helmet Nothing personal, but BS. I lived in Maryland back before the helmet law was passed. Prior to that I had lived in Pennsylvania, which had a helmet law. Coming down here, I couldn't get over all the squids riding GSXRs (or whatever was the current Suzuki at the time), Ninjas, and the like wearing shorts, t-shirt, and no helmet. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 22:39:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6I2d6827007 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718023923.11642.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.42.23] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:39:23 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:39:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: Fw: Protest To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, "D.C.Cycles-L" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Big Matty wrote: > One point of clarification: The yahoo club has several thousand > members; > the actual DC Sportbike Riders has only 80 or so. I know DC Cycles > doesn't > want to be judged "as a club" for the actions of one or a few of its > members, and especially for the actions of those who just happen to > be on > the email list. Please try to extend the same courtesy to other > clubs that > you want for yourselves (not judging an organized club based on posts > of > people who aren't even members). > I'll get off my soapbox now. > Matt > "Danny, how many lists are you on, anyway???" Probably a lot!! like me :) Hmmm.. how to put into words what I want to say without pissing everyone on DCSBR thoroughly off.... I agree with you that there are only 80 or so "official" DCSBR members and 662 users of the club. However, MANY of that 662 are REGULAR posters on DCSBR and often ride with the core group.. so yes, I would associate any of the regular riders/posters with the yahoo club. If they wanted exclusivity, then they could easily start an email list with egroups or similar service... DCC & DCSBR both have their share of crashes, and I associate both with the members of their respective groups. The reason DCSBR gets the rep they do; however, is they (including MANY of the core members) OFTEN post about riding high speed runs up to baltimore, admitting weaving in and out of the traffic including riding on the shoulder and splitting cars, running from the cops, etc etc. *THAT* is why they get singled out moreso than folks on DCC or balt cycles. While the DCC crashes that I know of have mostly been on secondary roads with little or no non-cycling public seeing or hearing of it. If there were a way to weed out all the multiple user accounts on the yahoo club, it would be very interesting to see what the crash ratio is per member between the two major groups. I believe Harry mentioned a while back that DCC has around 280 active members... DCSBR has a lot more (but not 662 individual members as the club page indicates) hence why we see more crashes posted there....any statistics geeks out there want to do the research??? My guess is that the ratio is probably in the same ballpark..... Ok.. it's late.. I'm rambling.. off to bed with me :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 17 23:59:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6I3xo828293 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718035939.13365.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.73] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:59:39 PDT Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:59:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: Helmets. To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah Yes....I remember Maryland in THE GOOD OL' DAYS. Freedom used to be so sweet. Sometimes I wore a helmet, sometimes I wouldn't....Damn, It was nice to decide for myself. -Corbett '99 K1200RS > > Nothing personal, but BS. I lived in Maryland back > before the helmet law was > passed. Prior to that I had lived in Pennsylvania, > which had a helmet law. > Coming down here, I couldn't get over all the squids > riding GSXRs (or > whatever was the current Suzuki at the time), > Ninjas, and the like wearing > shorts, t-shirt, and no helmet. > > > In the wind, > Bob Meyer > 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ============================================= > People are more violently opposed to fur than > leather, because it's safer to > pick on rich women than biker gangs. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 06:51:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IAph805902 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id 1.cc.77314b3 (3926); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:51:32 EDT Subject: Re: Helmets. To: bhuson@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Bill, I appreciate you perspective on this issue. There is a tendency in today's society to ridicule or criminalize personal discretion and this is, in itself, symptomatic of a larger problem...."Freedom for me, but not for us." or "anyone's view by mine is stupid". If you have old copies of these emails, note that I have stayed pretty much on the issue of defending personal discretion and trusting the judgment of the an individual make decisions pertinent to that individual and the environment he is operating; all without the unseen guiding hand of excessive government regulation. Others have responded in terms of ridicule and personal attack taking the position that basically, independent thinking is stupid and in need of government regulation. Helmets are not the issue here. The underlying value is. This may be a unique distinction, but what it brings to the surface is where people stand and how they think. I don''t know if you have ever worn the uniform of your country and placed yourself in the position of defending unpopular ideas but defending individuality is a positive value. I take the position, "If you are old enough to ride, you are old enough to decide." And, I support your freedom to make up your own mind about your daily affairs (even if they do not make sense to me) without recrimination or name calling. Take a break for a few minutes and re read the emails. Watch the future traffic on this issue. Observe how people who are so eager to place the mandatory helmet on other are also quick to ridicule and name call. And notice, that not once in this email, did I take a shot at you. I addressed issues and values. Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 08:52:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp-out.kivex.com (smtp-out.kivex.com [204.177.32.18]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ICpx807746 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kivex ([208.213.150.47]) by smtp-out.kivex.com (8.8.8/8.8.7-KIVEX) with SMTP id IAA15418 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000718085759.008051e0@kivex.com> X-Sender: lisa@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:57:59 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Lisa Goddard Subject: Bike parking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > (c) A political subdivision may not adopt or enforce an ordinance > or regulation that prohibits the parking of two motorcycles within a space > served by a single parking meter. Only two? If space is tight in town, I bet you could get 3 or 4 bikes in a cage spot, if you really wanted to. If they'd only outlaw cars, our commuting and parking woes would be solved. Your choice. Bus, Train, Metro, or Bike. Heh! :) I like it!! Having had bad experiences in OC with cops I tend to gravitate towards Delaware or North Carolina for my beaching. The cops in OC pulled us over for not having our visors down. That leads me to question what if you are wearing a non-full helmet that has no visor? We all had sunglasses on and I think the manual states that protective eyewear must be worn and that sunglasses will suffice. I have had a wonderful time in Rehoboth. We asked the nice officer how many bikes we could put in a metered spot. The nice officer radioed his question out. The answer came back "As many as you can fit". I now prefer Rehoboth. Besides there's a nice 2 1/2 foot curb on the main street of Rehoboth that can be used to load a bike in to a small pickup truck if no ramp is available. Lisa Goddard Systems Engineer Allegiance Telecom Data Services Unit From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 08:57:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6ICvX807824 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Tue Jul 18 06:00:47 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <358D9G8Q>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 06:03:13 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5753@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:55:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, I was going to respond saying that I thought this was a pretty bad idea, but I think enough people have already done it, so I won't. I have been thinking about protective gear, in general, and had a thought. Rare, I know... When I was younger, I used to do a lot of rock climbing, like at Carderock and Seneca Rocks. I rappelled, used ascenders on static lines, lead climbed with chock nuts, climbed clean-up with top belay, etc. I also did a bit of free climbing. In fact, I was so willing to free climb, that my climbing buddies generally referred to me as the "monkey man." I climbed a LOT of rocks without the benefit of belay, or anything. I had a few close calls, but I was fearless. One thing I did notice however - when I was on belay, or static line, I was much more willing to take a chance. I mean, what the heck, I wouldn't fall far, right? I might scuff my knees, or arms, or even smack my face into the rock, but it wasn't like I was going to get killed. When I was on free climb, I tended to be a little more cautious before I committed all my weight to a particular hold, or move, however. On the other hand, even though I knew I could be killed in a fall, I continued to free climb. When I got my first bike, MD did not have a helmet law. However, I purchased a full face helmet along with the bike. As a general rule, I wore the helmet when I rode. I didn't always wear the helmet, however. Sometimes I just didn't want to. One thing I noticed, was that I tended to be more willing to take a chance when I was wearing the helmet. I mean, what the heck, my head was protected, right? Of course, I tended to wear boots and a leather jacket also. So, I was well protected and confident of my gear. On the other hand, when I would ride without the helmet (and jacket) I tended to be a little more cautious. I mean, let's face it, going down without wearing anything more than sneakers, jeans and a T-shirt is going to tend to smart, no matter how slow you're going. What brought me to the point of actually writing this was a note a I saw posted on another list yesterday. Someone's mail-order leathers finally arrived. He was psyched! He couldn't wait to put them on and go for a ride. He described how he went to a favorite stretch of road, made an inspection pass, and then came back through it fast and hard. He was fearless - he had his leathers, after all. It wasn't like he was going to be seriously injured if he lost it, right? He felt so much more confident of his bike and his ability to push it now that he had his protective gear on. So, mandating helmets (or any protective gear, for that matter) may encourage riders, especially younger riders, to take chances that they might otherwise not be as inclined to take. Of course, like any generalization there will be the exceptions. We've all seen the shorts-, sandals-, t-shirt-wearing and helmetless squid squirting through heavy traffic just begging to become a statistic. And we've seen the fully decked out geezer - full leathers, boots, gloves, full-face helmet - putting along at the speed limit. Ultimately, each of needs to make a decision for ourselves. We don't need to decide for other adults, and we shouldn't expect other adults to decide for us. Anyone who thinks laws like this are needed to "protect the other [fools|whatever]" are doing all of us a disservice. I say that education is the proper approach. I would rather mandate extensive rider-(driver-)training and make protective gear optional. Teach people the right way of doing things, but let them make their own choice - at least once they're 18. That's what being an adult is about, right? Making choices and accepting the consequences. Wow! This was a lot longer than I expected. And a lot shorter than it could have been. ;^) Perry -----Original Message----- From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX [mailto:Gawthrop@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:42 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmets. Dan observations about his helmet bring out the importance for racers to wear helmets. And based on the earlier, and somewhat heated exchange, concerning helmets in this forum, we may be looking at a cultural perspective regarding helmets. Sport bike owners who tend toward the higher speed ranges tend to believe in the necessity of the helmet while the non-sport bike crowd tend to consider helmets within the context of their riding environment at lower speeds and a perhaps more benign environment. Kathleen, as legislative representative, what are your thoughts on the efficacy of proposing legislation that retains helmets for sport bikes while giving non-sport bike operators the discretion to ride without the helmet. This legislation gives sport bike operators the sense of security voiced in earlier emails and permits non-sport bike operators the options more appropriate for 'easy riding." (Contact me off line if you want to.) Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 09:00:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net (relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net [38.9.152.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ID06807909 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vrinet.com ([192.104.81.10] helo=dc-hgh-nsv03.VRINET.COM) by relay1.nce.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13EWyd-0004lb-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:00:00 -0400 Subject: Every saturday Drive 55 protest ride To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: From: harperk@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:52:34 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on DC-HGH-SMTP01/VRI(Release 5.0.2b |December 16, 1999) at 07/18/2000 08:58:03 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hope this helps. http://www.virginiawind.com/feat/vw071800.htm Kent webmaster@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 10:02:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IE2N808844 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19067; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3974638D.BB5E0B8D@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:02:54 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Balt-Cycles-l , "LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX" , "Suzuki Owners Club Md." , SuzukiBikes-L , Suzuki-l , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: [Fwd: Every saturday Drive 55 protest ride] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DF84E87EF6E9B9C91F200294" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DF84E87EF6E9B9C91F200294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be there gang! Let's bring it on! BTW, Suzuki Rules. Want proof? Just watch the AMA Super bike races on Speedvision. Woo Hoo! ;) Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org --------------DF84E87EF6E9B9C91F200294 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: stevied@gigue Return-Path: Received: from dirty.meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07800 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6HMOO822912 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-44-21.s21.tnt3.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.44.21]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EJJF-0006u3-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:24:21 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Every saturday Drive 55 protest ride Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:29:57 GMT Message-ID: <3973b1db.113358921@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by peabody.jhu.edu id SAA07800 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Reno on the burgandy 12 organized this event. (every saturday this month) specifics: meet at 12 p.m. at the rivertown mall checkers st barnabas rd right? route: from that beltway exit 4 north to the college park exit 25, turn around on 95-south, and back to 295 then to NY ave checkers. purpose: to show sportbike riders riding in a peaceful law abiding manner as a community and show who the real aggressive drivers are, and that motorcycles shouldnt' be singled out. Ride on the 3 right lanes and leave the passing lane open. 15 bikes were at the last event, and the # is expected to grow as word gets out. We will be doing this for the next 3 saturdays. Further protest will be decided later. Those without bikes are welcomed to come along in a car. Especially if you have a camcorder, to record the cars/trucks that come around on the shoulder and intentionally cut off, and wrecklessly endanger the law abiding riders of this protest. (as they have done last week). Below is the flyer as written by Reno: Promoting a peaceful ride at 55 on 95 Well people in helping Maryland State Police making our highways safer, we are promoting (A Peaceful Ride At 55 On 95) starting on Sat 7/15/00 for a month (every Sat). We are meeting at the Checekrs in River town shopping center in oxon hill at 12 noon and leaving at 1 p.m. The ride will go from exit 4 North on 95 to exit 25, then we will turn around and head back down 95 South taking up all 3 lanes except for the left passing lane, driving only at 55 mph. Then we will take 295 into dc to the checkers on New York Avenue. The news and radio stations ahve been called in advance so it will be televised. Please wear a white T shirt with 55 on the back (over your gear). This is to show that it's not all sport bike riders that drive at high speeds, it's people in cars and trucks driving reckless and at high speeds as well as creating fatal accidents. Not all sport bike riders drive 150 MPH. I hope one day that all motorists in cars and trucks will give motorcycles a little bit more respect. We are only on two wheels you know, without the protection of doors. I would like to say THANKS to the Maryland State Troopers for getting the jet helicopter and BMW motorcycles to help catch speeders (operation road round up). The majority of us sport bike riders are behind you ONE hundered percent. I would like to say thanks to the news and radio stations for listening to us and getting our side of the story out to the public. We are asking all bike riders with VALID drivers lisceneses to participate. Please send this to all the riders you know. If not by email, then please give them a call. RENO!!! Ps: kawasaki rules =========== I also would like to make note that off duty police officers are riding along with thier bikes. The reckless automobiles that come on the shoulder tend to back off when that badge comes out. I Still would like cars with camcorders to come along. Would make for some great news footage showing that CARS are the true reckless & agreessive vehicles killing other motorists. how often do we see sportbikes cutting off cars "to get back at them"? never. That's like playing russian roulette in someone elses house to make them "pay". Many of you didn't know about the event this past saturday, nor did I. I did meet up with them afterwards. I will be out there with our friends & fellow riders next saturday. Will you? BTW, I repeat, cars supporting the ride, are especially welcome to follow behind us, acting as a barrier to protect the riders from tail gaters. (note signs in the rear window are illegal). Bring your camcorders if you have them, and help record activities that show who the real dangerous DRIVERS are, that willfully endanger other peoples lives. Daniel see you saturday! --------------DF84E87EF6E9B9C91F200294-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 10:12:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IECr809000 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:12:43 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DD8@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Bike Night is TONIGHT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:04:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Weather is great, so ride over to Grevey's in Falls Chuch, 7PM-11PM. Details at http://www.geocities.com/bikenight/ See you there! Mark Kitchell From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 10:13:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from pg.cc.md.us (mail.pg.cc.md.us [204.91.230.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IEDJ809010 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnafh ([10.3.4.121]) by pg.cc.md.us; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:13:19 -0400 From: "Brad Faas" To: Subject: Paging Brian LaSalle Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:12:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Hey Brian, Give me shout -- I lost your email address. Got some interesting info for ya. Later, Brad From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 10:24:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IEOm809168 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17902; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000071810240503:11622 ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:24:05 -0400 Message-ID: <397468F5.3187F25B@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:25:57 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lisa Goddard CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike parking References: <3.0.6.32.20000718085759.008051e0@kivex.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 10:24:09 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 10:24:10 AM, Serialize complete at 07/18/2000 10:24:10 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I tend to gravitate towards Delaware or North Carolina for my beaching. I have > had a wonderful time in Rehoboth. DITTO!!!!!!! Speaking of which, I ride out to Dewey virtually every weekend (providing it's not pouring like this past weekend), so if anyone's ever heading out and wants company for the ride (at like 70mph, not 90!), lemme know! I'm planning on heading out this weekend as well, although this morning's news report (as reliable as it may be) showed t-storms for Friday. -Kristina '98 Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 10:31:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IEV1809338 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:30:57 -0400 Message-Id: <200007181030.AA83362300@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , Lisa Goddard Subject: Re: Bike parking X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Lisa Goddard >The cops in OC pulled us over >for not having our visors down. That leads me to question what if you are >wearing a non-full helmet that has no visor? We all had sunglasses on and >I think the manual states that protective eyewear must be worn and that >sunglasses will suffice. When I taught in Maryland, the law required eye protection certified as safety glasses (ANSI Z90 or VESC-8 as I recall), unless the bike had a (tall) windshield. Common sunglasses do not provide that kind of impact protection. I heard that a glasses-check was a common roust; sounds like you were in that. >I have had a wonderful time in Rehoboth. We asked the nice officer how >many bikes we could put in a metered spot. The nice officer radioed his >question out. The answer came back "As many as you can fit". I now prefer >Rehoboth. I, too, prefer Delaware beaches. best, -- Chris Norloff, Virginia '92 Honda ST1100 ABS STOC #1290 '90 Honda Pacific Coast (PC800) '81 Honda CB750F with Jupiter sidecar "Soul-less Appliance" - a pejorative term for a motorcycle that doesn't break down. -- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 11:16:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IFGM810085 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id j.a9.8771624 (16788); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:15:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:15:37 EDT Subject: Re: Helmets. To: Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/18/00 9:00:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Perry_Coleman@XXXXXX writes: > Anyone who thinks laws like this are needed to "protect the other > [fools|whatever]" are doing all of us a disservice. I say that education is > the proper approach. I would rather mandate extensive > rider-(driver-)training and make protective gear optional. Teach people the > right way of doing things, but let them make their own choice - at least > once they're 18. That's what being an adult is about, right? Making choices > and accepting the consequences. And therein lies the problem. In America today, we teach nothing and legislate everything. Personal responsibility has gone out the window, down the alley, and is having a smoke in the bar on the next block. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 11:27:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com ([208.138.226.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IFRF810276 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by crpstva-msg-01.hscribe.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:24:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Mark Petty To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:24:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > And therein lies the problem. In America today, we teach nothing and > legislate everything. Personal responsibility has gone out > the window, down > the alley, and is having a smoke in the bar on the next block. > > - Roach Great. Now you're bringing drinking and smoking into the conversation. Two more items from the "We're from the government and we know what's best for you" bailiwick. At least you didn't mention that it was playing Keno at the time. thanks. -Mark From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 11:38:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IFcg810472 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718153834.8776.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:38:34 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:38:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmets. To: Mark Petty , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry but we are talking apples and oranges here. When it comes to smoke in bars it a completely different issue. You riding down the street without you helmet doesn't directly effect me, your smoking in a bar does when I'm in there doing business... Glenn --- Mark Petty wrote: > > And therein lies the problem. In America today, we > teach nothing and > > legislate everything. Personal responsibility has > gone out > > the window, down > > the alley, and is having a smoke in the bar on the > next block. > > > > - Roach > > > Great. Now you're bringing drinking and smoking into > the conversation. Two > more items from the "We're from the government and > we know what's best for > you" bailiwick. At least you didn't mention that it > was playing Keno at the > time. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 11:52:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3105.mail.yahoo.com (web3105.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.190]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IFqb810760 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3105.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:52:29 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: RE: Helmets. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've got a question that I've never seen brought up before. how has the helmet laws improved helmets? what I mean is have helmets become better BECAUSE we have helmet laws or would they be the same had we NEVER had helmet laws in the first place. Or would the helmets be far more expensive because the only people who would buy them would be racers? I for one am glad that helmets don't cost more than 200-300 bucks for a good SNELL95 model, and I know my wife is happy too as she wouldn't be here without one. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:07:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IG7p811005 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA1767283 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:07:36 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmets. References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bryan main wrote: > > I've got a question that I've never seen brought up before. how has the > helmet laws improved helmets? they haven't. Think of it like inusurance, which you also MUST have. has it gotten cheaper ? has service gotten better ? When you have a situation where you 'must comply' to be legal, an 'artificially stimulated' business need is created much to the bane of every consumer... what I mean is have helmets become better > BECAUSE we have helmet laws or would they be the same had we NEVER had > helmet laws in the first place. Probably so. Or would the helmets be far more > expensive because the only people who would buy them would be racers? I > for one am glad that helmets don't cost more than 200-300 bucks for a good > SNELL95 model, and I know my wife is happy too as she wouldn't be here > without one. Is there anything that HAS gotten better post Government involvement ? I could cite several government meddling situations, but would probably end up starting one of those controversial threads and the guys in digest mode would be flaming me for weeks ;-) Even if Helmet laws were universally repealed, I'd still wear my full face helmet everywhere I ride. Even if I didn't have to carry full coverage insurance, I'd do it anyway. Even if I didn't have to wear a seatbelt while in cage, I'd wear it anyway. Maybe the government should concentrate on things more important to the citizens, like, say, reducing my taxes, or strengthening our national defense, etc.. etc.. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:09:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mx-relay1.treas.gov (mx-relay1.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IG9N811023 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tias4.treas.gov (tias-gw4.treas.gov [199.196.144.14]) by mx-relay1.treas.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23098 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.net.treas.gov by tias4.treas.gov via smtpd (for mx-relay.treas.gov [199.196.144.5]) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 16:09:20 UT Received: from wdcims01.usmint.treas.gov (mailhub-3.net.treas.gov [10.7.8.11]) by mailhub-3.net.treas.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05485 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wdcims01.usmint.treas.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3PD2H46L>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:12:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Navarro, Eddy" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Crossing the bay bridge Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:16:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All this talk about Ocean City has got me wanting to ride to the beach. However, I've never ridden over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge before and I understand it can be pretty daunting. Any advice/thoughts? Eddy YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:15:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IGFD811190 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 8.bc.801afbd (16788); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:14:55 EDT Subject: Re: Helmets. To: dysart@XXXXXX, mark.petty@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/18/00 11:40:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, glenn_dysart@XXXXXX writes: > Sorry but we are talking apples and oranges here. > When it comes to smoke in bars it a completely > different issue. You riding down the street without > you helmet doesn't directly effect me, your smoking in > a bar does when I'm in there doing business... Ooo ooo! Can we have this debate too?? (WARNING: First 2 paragraphs overly cynical, don't kill me Glenn) Free market economy: Owner of business (bar) decides whether to allow or dissallow smoking in his establishment based on how much business he stands to lose by non-smoking customers choosing to pass his place by. By his reasoning, the majority of his customers do smoke, therefore losing the non-smoking customers is the lesser concern (this while serving politicaly correct alcohol which causes health problems as well as numerous fatal drunk-driving acciedents nightly, where the loser is often not the drinker) American Politics in action: Non-smoker chooses to go to place where majority of patrons indulge in activity he/she doesn't - non-smoker gets activity banned from place via legislation. OK... cynical rant done - but do you see the point? You don't have to go to a bar where people smoke. You or some bar owner sould start a bar that is specifically non-smoking if *significant market demand exists to sustain such a business*. If there has to be legislation (which I disagree with) it shouldn't be black and white - the bar should have the option of either stating "People smoke here, if you don't like it, don't come in", or at the very WORST provide a seperate, venelated (We have the technology) area for non-smokers to go OR the reverse - ban it on the dance floor and in "public areas", but allow a room where smokers can go sit down, have their beer and a smoke, and enjoy themselves. There is little reason to ban it outright from the entire building. Yes, I smoke - but that's not the point. It's all about personal choice and responsibility. We went to a club while out at Laguna to watch the World Superbike races and it was just damn silly. At any given time about half the patrons were outside the club on the street smoking. There were few people at the club that were non-smokers. (Kalifornia banned smoking pretty much everywhere last year). - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:21:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IGLd811289 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.a1.83a4c3f (16788); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:21:21 EDT Subject: Re: Helmets. To: sdave@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/18/00 12:09:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sdave@XXXXXX writes: > Even if Helmet laws were universally repealed, I'd still wear my full > face helmet everywhere I ride. > Even if I didn't have to carry full coverage insurance, I'd do it > anyway. > Even if I didn't have to wear a seatbelt while in cage, I'd wear it > anyway. Ugh... I HATE saying this, especially since I agree with all the above, but the undeniable truth is... Americans are stupid. The people on this list are not "The average American". We're educated, well employed, and seem to posess common sense. This has ceased to be the norm in these United States, and we get to suffer for it. Without some of these laws, the bulk of Americans out there would not choose as you do. As scary as that sounds, personal experience keeps proving it to me time and time again. ::sigh:: - Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:32:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IGWY811507 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15812; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Navarro, Eddy" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Crossing the bay bridge Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:31:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 It's not daunting at all. If you have severe acrophobia you might want to keep your eyes firmly planted on the road, but aside from that there really aren't any "issues." There are metal grates the length of the bridge in some lanes, but they don't span the whole lane - just the center third of it (where you wouldn't really want to ride anyway thanks to the slime and goo normally left by cagers). I've heard the wind can get strong but have yet to encounter anything that would blow me more than an inch or two offline. Fear not. Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Navarro, Eddy [mailto:Eddy.Navarro@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:16 PM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Crossing the bay bridge All this talk about Ocean City has got me wanting to ride to the beach. However, I've never ridden over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge before and I understand it can be pretty daunting. Any advice/thoughts? Eddy YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:35:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IGZe811586 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Tue Jul 18 09:38:48 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <358D9RST>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5756@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'DC Cycles'" Cc: "'Navarro, Eddy'" Subject: RE: Crossing the bay bridge Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:33:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yeah. Don't look down! Seriously, though, I've never had any problems crossing it. I suppose if there were strong winds, it might be rough, but I've never ridden the bike across it when the conditions were bad. -----Original Message----- From: Navarro, Eddy [mailto:Eddy.Navarro@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:16 PM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Crossing the bay bridge All this talk about Ocean City has got me wanting to ride to the beach. However, I've never ridden over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge before and I understand it can be pretty daunting. Any advice/thoughts? Eddy YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:40:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from orion.house.gov (orion.house.gov [143.231.86.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IGed811619 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by orion.house.gov (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA18063 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:36:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: orion.house.gov: smap set sender to SIZE=1437 using -f Received: from ims04.house.gov(143.231.32.180) by orion via smap id xma018047; Tue, 18 Jul 00 12:36:23 -0400 Received: by ims04.house.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3GVCPKD9>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:40:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Haring, Seth" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:40:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) I don't think people have lost common sense as much as they simply don't exercise it. People have become so weighed down by our laws and regulations that they don't know how to come to educated conclusions on their own. You don't wear a helmet... well it's your own life that's put in jeapordy. You don't like smoke in bars and public places... quit giving them your business. I feel similarly about seatbelts and entitlements. We're breeding a lazy and incompetent American, and being on Capital Hill I feel especially close to it. I'm sure you can all guess which side of the fence I'm on. Diggin' the Philosophical discussion, Seth From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:52:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IGqm811865 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:52:29 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DE8@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: For Sale: Perfect Frist Bike Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:44:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I am selling my first bike. Its a 1985 Kawasaki ZL 600 Eliminator. This is a rare bike and quite fast, with a de-tuned Ninja 600 engine. Its a wonderful first bike as it handles well but has enough power for highway riding. The seat is low so its perfect for shorter riders. Please email me off list. I am asking $1900. Thanks Mark Kitchell From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 12:59:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IGxR811969 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26091; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000071812591718:13234 ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:59:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39748D45.785CD55B@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:00:53 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX CC: "Navarro, Eddy" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Crossing the bay bridge References: X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 12:59:19 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 12:59:19 PM, Serialize complete at 07/18/2000 12:59:19 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Yup, it's not bad. The bridge heading out to the beaches is 2-lanes and has no grating. The bridge coming back home is 3-lanes and only the 2 outside lanes have grating, and are only in the middle of the lane, like Chris said. Chris Weaver wrote: > It's not daunting at all. If you have severe acrophobia you might want to > keep your eyes firmly planted on the road, but aside from that there really > aren't any "issues." There are metal grates the length of the bridge in some > lanes, but they don't span the whole lane - just the center third of it > (where you wouldn't really want to ride anyway thanks to the slime and goo > normally left by cagers). I've heard the wind can get strong but have yet to > encounter anything that would blow me more than an inch or two offline. > > Fear not. > > Cheers, > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Navarro, Eddy [mailto:Eddy.Navarro@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:16 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: Crossing the bay bridge > > All this talk about Ocean City has got me wanting to ride to the beach. > However, I've never ridden over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge before and I > understand it can be pretty daunting. Any advice/thoughts? > > Eddy > YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 13:12:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hgsi.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [192.239.53.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IHC0812168 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hgsi.com; id NAA08480; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:11:58 -0400 Received: from unknown(192.239.52.27) by biotin.hgsi.com via smap (V5.0) id xma008474; Tue, 18 Jul 00 13:11:12 -0400 Subject: Roads around Silver Spring To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: From: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:11:09 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mozart/Hgsi(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/18/2000 01:11:10 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I live in Silver Spring and I need some roads that are fun. I know a bunch of backroads in Anne Arundel county if anybody is interested. I hate having to ride 495 to 50 to get out there though. I know I should look at a map (duh), but I am also looking for roads that are bike friendly (i.e. not full of cops). So please let me know of roads to avoid as well. Thanks -Devon '95 F3 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 13:43:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IHhE812755 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.99.7bd4743 (9491); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Message-ID: <99.7bd4743.26a5f124@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:43:00 EDT Subject: FS: 95 Honda Shadow 1100 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: Bax2000@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 103 If interested please respond to Bax2000@XXXXXX For Sale: 1995 Honda Shadow 1100, White/Purple Tank, 43K miles, Very Good Condition. Asking $3,000 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 13:53:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IHrH812944 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718175259.20457.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:52:59 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Ooo ooo! Can we have this debate too?? (WARNING: > First 2 paragraphs overly > cynical, don't kill me Glenn) > > Free market economy: Owner of business (bar) decides > whether to allow or > dissallow smoking in his establishment based on how > much business he stands > to lose by non-smoking customers choosing to pass > his place by. By his > reasoning, the majority of his customers do smoke, > therefore losing the > non-smoking customers is the lesser concern (this > while serving politicaly > correct alcohol which causes health problems as well > as numerous fatal > drunk-driving acciedents nightly, where the loser is > often not the drinker) > > American Politics in action: Non-smoker chooses to > go to place where majority > of patrons indulge in activity he/she doesn't - > non-smoker gets activity > banned from place via legislation. Hmm too bad this argument doesn't work. Ask California bar owners who actually INCREASED business because people that don't smoke can out and enjoy themselves and people who still smoke just walk outside and smoke in the air where it doesn't effect others. I can send you documents on this if you'd like? > > OK... cynical rant done - but do you see the point? > You don't have to go to a > bar where people smoke. You or some bar owner sould > start a bar that is > specifically non-smoking if *significant market > demand exists to sustain such > a business*. No I DON'T see the point, the two arguments have nothing to do with each other. If you are riding down the street without a helmet it effects me in no way. If you are standing or sitting next to me in a bar smoking I will at a minimum smell like your stinking cigarette. *I* shouldn't be punished by going to a bar because YOU are polluting the air around me and making me stink. YOUR rights end as soon as YOU violate mine... > If there has to be legislation (which I disagree > with) it shouldn't be black > and white - the bar should have the option of either > stating "People smoke > here, if you don't like it, don't come in", or at > the very WORST provide a > seperate, venelated (We have the technology) area > for non-smokers to go OR > the reverse - ban it on the dance floor and in > "public areas", but allow a > room where smokers can go sit down, have their beer > and a smoke, and enjoy > themselves. There is little reason to ban it > outright from the entire > building. The right approach to this is to make the bar owner open the ceiling to ventilate it which none of them want to do because their precious heat and air conditioning goes out the ceiling. I'm sorry but smoke eaters and fans do nothing. This argument more comes down to this... Would you like to be sitting next to me at a bar while I throw my beer on you or even worse passing gas right in your face??? No you wouldn't because it violates your rights. > > Yes, I smoke - but that's not the point. It's all > about personal choice and > responsibility. We went to a club while out at > Laguna to watch the World > Superbike races and it was just damn silly. At any > given time about half the > patrons were outside the club on the street smoking. > There were few people at > the club that were non-smokers. (Kalifornia banned > smoking pretty much > everywhere last year). Yes, being a smoker makes you very biased whether you believe it or not. Fine, you want to smoke. Come to the bar or restaurant in a space suit or figure out a way that I don't have to smell or breath it. I'm not staying out of someplace that serves the beer I want to drink just because you want to pollute the place. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 14:02:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe44.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6II2e813144 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:02:32 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: , Subject: Hydrolic Clutch problem Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:02:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01BFF0C0.D00133B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2000 18:02:32.0554 (UTC) FILETIME=[585EB4A0:01BFF0E2] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01BFF0C0.D00133B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I have this strange problem that I can't seem to figure out This happens when I stand idling for a little time(1-2 min) with clutch = disengaged(all way in) in gear. My clutch tightens up. It grabs a lot earlier then usually(if I stand = like that long enough it grabs practically at the handle-bar). After it = grabs though, it feels very mushy when it returns to original position. Once I start moving, or if I'm in neutral, everything is back to = normal(until next traffic light :) ) I have changed that fluid about 2 months ago and I noticed this a few = days ago, so I thought that something wrong with fluid. I completely = changed fluid. Used synthetic DOT 4(actually it "exceeded" DOT 4 = specs). Bled it.....Same thing. Any ideas?=20 Thanks Genna Melamed VTR1000 genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01BFF0C0.D00133B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone,
 
I have this strange problem that I = can't seem to=20 figure out
 
This happens when I stand idling for a = little=20 time(1-2 min) with clutch disengaged(all way in) in gear.
 
My clutch tightens up.  It grabs a = lot earlier=20 then usually(if I stand like that long enough it grabs practically = at the=20 handle-bar).  After it grabs though, it feels very mushy when it = returns to=20 original position.
 
Once I start moving, or if I'm in = neutral,=20 everything is back to normal(until next traffic light :) )
 
I have changed that fluid about 2 = months ago and I=20 noticed this a few days ago, so I thought that something wrong with = fluid. =20 I completely changed fluid.  Used synthetic DOT 4(actually it = "exceeded"=20 DOT 4 specs).  Bled it.....Same thing.
 
Any ideas? 
 
Thanks
 
Genna Melamed
VTR1000
genna@XXXXXX
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------=_NextPart_000_009C_01BFF0C0.D00133B0-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 14:39:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IId0813806 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 1926 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 11:38:48 -0700 Date: 18 Jul 2000 11:38:48 -0700 Message-ID: <20000718183848.1925.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Jul 2000 18:38:48 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Jul 2000 11:38:48 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. On Tue, 18 July 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Yes, being a smoker makes you very biased whether you > believe it or not. Fine, you want to smoke. Come to > the bar or restaurant in a space suit or figure out a > way that I don't have to smell or breath it. I'm not > staying out of someplace that serves the beer I want > to drink just because you want to pollute the place. > > Glenn > > I totally disagree with this statement! I am a smoker. I love smoking. but realize others don't always like it. if i'm out with someone new, I ask if smoke bothers them before I do it. If they do, I move to somewhere it won't bother them. I've even not smoked in my own house because a friend of mine doesn't like it. I believe that you being a non smoker makes you biased, if you believe that or not. I hate to get into heated debates like this. we can all argue our sides till all of us smokers die of lung cancer I guess. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 14:44:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IIiZ813894 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718184427.26217.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:44:27 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. To: LAURA GRANATO , dysart@XXXXXX Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You know come to think of it you are right, it just seems that more smokers then not don't care as they it its their "right" to smoke and not care about others around them. I respect people like you who are polite about it. Glenn --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > I totally disagree with this statement! I am a > smoker. I love smoking. but realize others don't > always like it. if i'm out with someone new, I ask > if smoke bothers them before I do it. If they do, I > move to somewhere it won't bother them. I've even > not smoked in my own house because a friend of mine > doesn't like it. I believe that you being a non > smoker makes you biased, if you believe that or not. > I hate to get into heated debates like this. we > can all argue our sides till all of us smokers die > of lung cancer I guess. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 14:54:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IIsH814062 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.252]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA31693 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3974D34A.6006C889@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:59:38 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000718183848.1925.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit As a non-smoker (OK, I admit to an occassional cigar indulgence!) who is not fond of being in smoke-filled places, I have to side with both Bryan and Laura on this issue. If I don't want to be bothered with smoke, I go to smoke-free establishments. If someplace I really love allows smoking, I put up with the smoking (after all, I do have the choice of not going there). And all of my friends who smoke are polite and considerate when it comes to their "bad habit" (that includes "the Roach"!) But the real question is: WHAT THE HELL DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO WITH RIDING MOTORCYCLES? A couple of weeks ago, some folks were worried that DC-Cycles had degenerated as a result of some crashes on weekend rides (my rides, as a matter of fact!) But this whole smoking debate really is a sign that the end of civilization as we know it is just around the corner! %^) Skittles, aka Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > Yes, being a smoker makes you very biased whether you > > believe it or not. Fine, you want to smoke. Come to > > the bar or restaurant in a space suit or figure out a > > way that I don't have to smell or breath it. I'm not > > staying out of someplace that serves the beer I want > > to drink just because you want to pollute the place. > > > > Glenn > > > > > I totally disagree with this statement! I am a smoker. I love smoking. but realize others don't always like it. if i'm out with someone new, I ask if smoke bothers them before I do it. If they do, I move to somewhere it won't bother them. I've even not smoked in my own house because a friend of mine doesn't like it. I believe that you being a non smoker makes you biased, if you believe that or not. I hate to get into heated debates like this. we can all argue our sides till all of us smokers die of lung cancer I guess. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:03:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IJ33814218 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IJ3f414292 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:03:42 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bff0ea$6b596f20$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000718184427.26217.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal I agree, I like to knock on the window of the motorist next to me at the light and ask if its OK to smoke the tire, sometimes they mind and sometimes they genuinely appreciate it - oh, sorry-wrong thread ;) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 2:44 PM To: LAURA GRANATO; dysart@XXXXXX Cc: BryanRoach@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. You know come to think of it you are right, it just seems that more smokers then not don't care as they it its their "right" to smoke and not care about others around them. I respect people like you who are polite about it. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:05:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IJ5K814307 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2435 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 12:05:03 -0700 Date: 18 Jul 2000 12:05:03 -0700 Message-ID: <20000718190503.2434.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Jul 2000 19:05:03 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Jul 2000 12:05:03 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dysart@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. On Tue, 18 July 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > Glad to hear it. Please know I don't mean to offend anyone. I just think it's important to remember not to stereotype people. Just because one smokes or doesn't, doesn't mean they all fall in the same category. i know plenty of people who don't smoke that don't mind being around it. But I also respect those that do. This goes for everything...tattoos, people who ride bikes, people who drink...etc. It's a good lesson for all of us to learn and be aware of. :-) Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > You know come to think of it you are right, it just > seems that more smokers then not don't care as they it > its their "right" to smoke and not care about others > around them. I respect people like you who are polite > about it. > > Glenn > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > I totally disagree with this statement! I am a > > smoker. I love smoking. but realize others don't > > always like it. if i'm out with someone new, I ask > > if smoke bothers them before I do it. If they do, I > > move to somewhere it won't bother them. I've even > > not smoked in my own house because a friend of mine > > doesn't like it. I believe that you being a non > > smoker makes you biased, if you believe that or not. > > I hate to get into heated debates like this. we > > can all argue our sides till all of us smokers die > > of lung cancer I guess. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:11:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IJBT814320 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:11:20 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Chuck Pena'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:03:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" YES CHUCK. I have never deleted so many damm messages. Protest, helmet, smoking. Come on.....maybe we are all out riding, but lets elevate the discussion here. mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 6:00 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. > > As a non-smoker (OK, I admit to an occassional cigar indulgence!) who is > not fond of being in smoke-filled places, I have to side with both Bryan > and Laura on this issue. If I don't want to be bothered with smoke, I > go to smoke-free establishments. If someplace I really love allows > smoking, I put up with the smoking (after all, I do have the choice of > not going there). And all of my friends who smoke are polite and > considerate when it comes to their "bad habit" (that includes "the > Roach"!) > > But the real question is: WHAT THE HELL DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO WITH > RIDING MOTORCYCLES? A couple of weeks ago, some folks were worried that > DC-Cycles had degenerated as a result of some crashes on weekend rides > (my rides, as a matter of fact!) But this whole smoking debate really > is a sign that the end of civilization as we know it is just around the > corner! %^) > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > Yes, being a smoker makes you very biased whether you > > > believe it or not. Fine, you want to smoke. Come to > > > the bar or restaurant in a space suit or figure out a > > > way that I don't have to smell or breath it. I'm not > > > staying out of someplace that serves the beer I want > > > to drink just because you want to pollute the place. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > I totally disagree with this statement! I am a smoker. I love smoking. > but realize others don't always like it. if i'm out with someone new, I > ask if smoke bothers them before I do it. If they do, I move to somewhere > it won't bother them. I've even not smoked in my own house because a > friend of mine doesn't like it. I believe that you being a non smoker > makes you biased, if you believe that or not. I hate to get into heated > debates like this. we can all argue our sides till all of us smokers die > of lung cancer I guess. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:19:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IJJ4814495 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.252]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA32379; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3974D919.8EA7474E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:24:25 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DF0@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And let's not forget SUVs. Wait a minute... Didn't you throw your 2 cents in about this issue? %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > YES CHUCK. I have never deleted so many damm messages. Protest, helmet, > smoking. Come on.....maybe we are all out riding, but lets elevate the > discussion here. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:20:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IJKM814574 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DF4@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Chuck Pena'" , Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:12:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain No, I just defended lovely Kristina thats all. Now, we can talk about gurlz can't we? Mark aka Crash aka crashed > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 6:24 PM > To: Mark Kitchell > Cc: DC Cycles > Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. > > And let's not forget SUVs. Wait a minute... Didn't you throw your 2 > cents in about this issue? %^) > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > YES CHUCK. I have never deleted so many damm messages. Protest, > helmet, > > smoking. Come on.....maybe we are all out riding, but lets elevate the > > discussion here. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:20:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IJKb814584 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 2829 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 12:20:26 -0700 Date: 18 Jul 2000 12:20:26 -0700 Message-ID: <20000718192026.2828.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Jul 2000 19:20:26 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Jul 2000 12:20:26 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. On Tue, 18 July 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: I know this is a motorcycle list and we should all be discussing bikes, but I think that a little discussion outside is fine. It helps us learn how each other thinks, which potentially is a plus when we will be on the streets with these people riding. :-) Maybe we'll divide the next ride into smokers and non-smokers, so the smokers can stop and take more breaks than the non-smokers. lol. just kidding! Laura > As a non-smoker (OK, I admit to an occassional cigar indulgence!) who is > not fond of being in smoke-filled places, I have to side with both Bryan > and Laura on this issue. If I don't want to be bothered with smoke, I > go to smoke-free establishments. If someplace I really love allows > smoking, I put up with the smoking (after all, I do have the choice of > not going there). And all of my friends who smoke are polite and > considerate when it comes to their "bad habit" (that includes "the > Roach"!) > > But the real question is: WHAT THE HELL DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO WITH > RIDING MOTORCYCLES? A couple of weeks ago, some folks were worried that > DC-Cycles had degenerated as a result of some crashes on weekend rides > (my rides, as a matter of fact!) But this whole smoking debate really > is a sign that the end of civilization as we know it is just around the > corner! %^) > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > > Yes, being a smoker makes you very biased whether you > > > believe it or not. Fine, you want to smoke. Come to > > > the bar or restaurant in a space suit or figure out a > > > way that I don't have to smell or breath it. I'm not > > > staying out of someplace that serves the beer I want > > > to drink just because you want to pollute the place. > > > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > I totally disagree with this statement! I am a smoker. I love smoking. but realize others don't always like it. if i'm out with someone new, I ask if smoke bothers them before I do it. If they do, I move to somewhere it won't bother them. I've even not smoked in my own house because a friend of mine doesn't like it. I believe that you being a non smoker makes you biased, if you believe that or not. I hate to get into heated debates like this. we can all argue our sides till all of us smokers die of lung cancer I guess. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ________________________________________________ > > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > > http://www.peoplepc.com ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:22:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IJM2814594 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718192151.398.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:21:51 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:21:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. To: Chuck Pena , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And how many of these NON smoking places exist around here??? I can't think of ANY, can you name me at least half a dozen??? Sure there are non-smoking dining rooms like Sweetwater Tavern (which obviously isn't losing ANY business) but sit at the bar where the service IMO is usually better and you have to "deal with it". I'm glad you are willing to "not go some place" just so you don't have to "put up with it" but for me I don't think that is a good option. Get off your ass, walk outside, have your cig and come back in. I mean who really likes to come home after a night of partying and smell like an ashtray? I bet most smokers don't even like that! And the only reason we are on this subject is because Bryan decided to compare not wearing helmets to being the same as smoking in bars. Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: > As a non-smoker (OK, I admit to an occassional cigar > indulgence!) who is > not fond of being in smoke-filled places, I have to > side with both Bryan > and Laura on this issue. If I don't want to be > bothered with smoke, I > go to smoke-free establishments. If someplace I > really love allows > smoking, I put up with the smoking (after all, I do > have the choice of > not going there). And all of my friends who smoke > are polite and > considerate when it comes to their "bad habit" (that > includes "the > Roach"!) > > But the real question is: WHAT THE HELL DOES ALL > THIS HAVE TO DO WITH > RIDING MOTORCYCLES? A couple of weeks ago, some > folks were worried that > DC-Cycles had degenerated as a result of some > crashes on weekend rides > (my rides, as a matter of fact!) But this whole > smoking debate really > is a sign that the end of civilization as we know it > is just around the > corner! %^) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:23:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IJNf814604 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.252]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13959; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3974DA2F.F76AA7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:29:03 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000718192026.2828.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While we're at it, let's divide into SUV and non-SUV folks too! %^) Let's see... I fall into the category of "sportbike rider who wears a helmet (but is not in favor of helmet laws) who isn't a smoker (but tolerates them, as long as they're polite and considerate) who drives an SUV." Anyone? Bueller? %^) LAURA GRANATO wrote : > > I know this is a motorcycle list and we should all be discussing bikes, but I think that a little discussion outside is fine. It helps us learn how each other thinks, which potentially is a plus when we will be on the streets with these people riding. :-) Maybe we'll divide the next ride into smokers and non-smokers, so the smokers can stop and take more breaks than the non-smokers. lol. just kidding! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 15:31:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hgsi.com (firewall-user@XXXXXX [192.239.53.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IJVq814776 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hgsi.com; id PAA11856; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:31:49 -0400 Received: from unknown(192.239.52.27) by biotin.hgsi.com via smap (V5.0) id xma011839; Tue, 18 Jul 00 15:31:38 -0400 Subject: Re: Riding To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: From: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:31:31 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mozart/Hgsi(Release 5.0.2c |February 2, 2000) at 07/18/2000 03:31:35 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When is the next ride? -Devon '95 F3 But the real question is: WHAT THE HELL DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO WITH RIDING MOTORCYCLES? A couple of weeks ago, some folks were worried that DC-Cycles had degenerated as a result of some crashes on weekend rides (my rides, as a matter of fact!) But this whole smoking debate really is a sign that the end of civilization as we know it is just around the corner! %^) Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:02:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IK2A815219 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6IJgum22933 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03946; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000071815392370:14934 ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:39:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3974B2D5.3A1BF9D5@mitretek.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:41:10 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: "'Chuck Pena'" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DF4@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 03:39:27 PM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 03:39:28 PM, Serialize complete at 07/18/2000 03:39:28 PM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Whoa, haus! Lovely Kristina appreciated but did not ask for a defense..... 30-minutes and counting.... hell yeah! Let's talk about GUYS!!!!!!! hahahaahah Mark Kitchell wrote: > No, I just defended lovely Kristina thats all. Now, we can talk about gurlz > can't we? > > Mark aka Crash aka crashed > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 6:24 PM > > To: Mark Kitchell > > Cc: DC Cycles > > Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. > > > > And let's not forget SUVs. Wait a minute... Didn't you throw your 2 > > cents in about this issue? %^) > > > > Mark Kitchell wrote: > > > > > > YES CHUCK. I have never deleted so many damm messages. Protest, > > helmet, > > > smoking. Come on.....maybe we are all out riding, but lets elevate the > > > discussion here. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:02:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IK2D815221 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe18.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.122]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6IJf5m22351 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:40:34 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: References: <20000718175259.20457.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:40:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2000 19:40:34.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A3BED20:01BFF0F0] From: "Glenn Dysart" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. > > No I DON'T see the point, the two arguments have > nothing to do with each other. If you are riding down > the street without a helmet it effects me in no way. > If you are standing or sitting next to me in a bar > smoking I will at a minimum smell like your stinking > cigarette. *I* shouldn't be punished by going to a > bar because YOU are polluting the air around me and > making me stink. YOUR rights end as soon as YOU > violate mine... My comments are not really on smoking or helmets, but more in general approach 1. Just so we are clear on this, but you or me or anyone else in this country DOESN"T have any constitutional right to pollution-free anything. As in none of us have right to clean air, water, etc.... If we did, then cars, bikes, factories, ships, planes, etc.... all would be illegal... What we have is a legislative "right" to live in "reasonably" clean(as determined by EPA/congress/etc) environment. 2. You are incorrect in thinking that if someone rides without a helmet doesn't affect you. It does: insurance costs, public perception, an off-chance that someone who rides without a helmet takes your friend for a ride(no helmet) and kills him/her, etc.... Granted, you could conceivably change some laws to adopt insurance to no-helmet-law so it wouldn't penalize people who wear helmets. But there will still be some issues that may affect you, even if you always wear one. 3. And one last thing. "YOUR rights end as soon as YOU violate mine..." Depending on "rights" definition, this may be a very dangerous argument. It CAN excuse ANY law that takes anything away from anyone. There will always be someone who doesn't like what someone else is doing. So if you apply this principle, you will have completely remove any "freedom" anyone may think they have. By the way, just a note on laws. ANY restriction law(most of them are) takes away FREEDOM(by definition). In fact, laws trade freedom for comfort, safety, convenience, ect.... At some point we will all have a lot of comfort, safety, convenience, ect.... and no freedom left...(welcome to communism :) ) Genna Melamed VTR1000 > > > Glenn > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:02:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IK26815217 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6IJhkm23091 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.252]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07523; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3974DEC8.A4491A05@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:48:40 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Devon, This is no longer a motorcycle riding list. It's all about debating helmet laws, smoking, and staging the occassional protest on I-95 in Maryland (which really isn't riding but droning at 55 mph). %^) You might try one of the gun lists. Maybe someone there rides motorcycles (but probably Harleys). %^) Skittles Devon_Weide@XXXXXX wrote: > > When is the next ride? > > -Devon > '95 F3 > > But the real question is: WHAT THE HELL DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO WITH > RIDING MOTORCYCLES? A couple of weeks ago, some folks were worried that > DC-Cycles had degenerated as a result of some crashes on weekend rides > (my rides, as a matter of fact!) But this whole smoking debate really > is a sign that the end of civilization as we know it is just around the > corner! %^) > > Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:02:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IK2H815224 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6IJfSm22474 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-60.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.252]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA30359; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3974DE3E.1C33C4F1@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:46:22 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000718192151.398.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > And how many of these NON smoking places exist around > here??? I can't think of ANY, can you name me at > least half a dozen??? Sure there are non-smoking > dining rooms like Sweetwater Tavern (which obviously > isn't losing ANY business) but sit at the bar where > the service IMO is usually better and you have to > "deal with it". Well actually, I was thinking of places such as Sweetwater, Carlyle Grand, Mike's, and Silverado (all owned by the same group). OK, they allow smoking at the bar. But for me (but obviously not for you), this is no big deal as I don't go to restaurants to sit at the bar. But your point is well taken. That being the case, I cannot name any places that are completely non-smoking (except for maybe movie theatres and government buildings). Oh yeah, my personal abode is completely non-smoking! %^) > I'm glad you are willing to "not go > some place" just so you don't have to "put up with it" > but for me I don't think that is a good option. It may not be a "good option" (for you), but the fact is that you do have options. You could choose to sit in the non-smoking portion of the restaurant (in some cases, as noted above, this is basically everywhere except the bar). You could choose to take your business elsewhere (and let the management/ownership know why you decided to no longer patronize their establishment). But if options are being made available to you and you're not choosing to take advantage of them (for whatever reason -- this is not a judgement about whether your personal choices are good, bad, or otherwise), then IMHO you have to live with the decision you choose to make. Now, if enough people are of the same mind as yourself and can convince management/ownership to change to accommodate you and your particular needs and wants, then more power to you! That is how market forces work. If there is sufficient demand for the product/service, then someone will provide it. Can you tell that I'm a free-market Libertarian who believes in individual liberties and personal choices??? %^) > Get > off your ass, walk outside, have your cig and come > back in. Everyone I know who smokes does just this. > I mean who really likes to come home after a > night of partying and smell like an ashtray? We are in complete agreement here. But sometimes I have to put up with coming home smelling like smoke. But I know I'm going into an environment where that might happen and I make that personal choice and live with that decision. > I bet > most smokers don't even like that! The smokers on the list can let us know! > And the only reason we are on this subject is because > Bryan decided to compare not wearing helmets to being > the same as smoking in bars. BTW, did anyone notice the %^) on my email??? I understand that smoking vs. non-smoking is a passionate debate (just as helmets, SUVs, and cell phones are), but geez! I'm just trying to have little fun and lighten things up a little! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:10:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKAq815458 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13Edh0-0006Yn-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:10:14 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 Devon_Weide@XXXXXX wrote: > > When is the next ride? > Well I'm riding to bike night. I'll be the one smoking and spilling beer on people. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:17:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKHL815613 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13EdnW-0006vB-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:16:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Riding In-Reply-To: <3974DEC8.A4491A05@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > Devon, > > This is no longer a motorcycle riding list. It's all about debating > helmet laws, smoking, and staging the occassional protest on I-95 in > Maryland (which really isn't riding but droning at 55 mph). %^) You > might try one of the gun lists. Maybe someone there rides motorcycles > (but probably Harleys). %^) > Actually the gun lists tend to stay on target uhh topic. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:17:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKHJ815611 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-208.patriot.net [209.249.180.208]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6IKH9O27980; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3974B998.7526CF4A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:10:01 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Navarro, Eddy" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Crossing the bay bridge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not real fond of high places, but I've navigated the Bay Bridge and a few other spooky bridges. My only bad experiance was the weekend of the Bridge Walk. Since a buncha folks were hoofing across one span, the traffic jam was miles long. Speed ws creeping along with foot taps, AND there was a storm chasing my butt. GUSTY crosswinds up to 35 MPH!!! You're basic white-knuckler. Now, you want sky-high and mucho bridge grating, the York River bridge. That one has puckered a few arseholes. One time I zipped past a flock of Gold Wings. Apparently they thought the grating sqiggles were a prelude to disastor and were doing like 15 MPH with feet hanging out - the Gold Wing Spread :-) Being a snotty young `un of merely 40 then, I locked the mickey mouse cruise control on the Suzuki and flashed ny NO hands, waving and grinning. If the GW pilots had opened theri eyes a wee bit wider, their eyeballs woulda fallen out. Quite a giggle fer me. So go for it - pick a lane you like - head up, eyes on the gorgious view of the horizon, and you'll be fine. Do watch the weather though. Bill Navarro, Eddy wrote: > All this talk about Ocean City has got me wanting to ride to the beach. > However, I've never ridden over the Chesapeake Bay Bridge before and I > understand it can be pretty daunting. Any advice/thoughts? > > Eddy > YZF600R From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:23:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKNk815719 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-208.patriot.net [209.249.180.208]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6IKNdO29029; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3974BB1F.7BE7BDAB@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:16:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: dysart@XXXXXX, BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000718183848.1925.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I totally agree with your staement. Both residents of my house smoke, but IN the main house. We go outside, and I have a seperate loft/office above the garage from hell with seperate A/C heating. Out to dinner with folks who don't puff and we get an NS table. And I don't smoke while I ride either. Just thught I'd throw a Moto related thnag in there :-) Bill LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I totally disagree with this statement! I am a smoker. I love smoking. but realize others don't always like it. if i'm out with someone new, I ask if smoke bothers them before I do it. If they do, I move to somewhere it won't bother them. I've even not smoked in my own house because a friend of mine doesn't like it. I believe that you being a non smoker makes you biased, if you believe that or not. I hate to get into heated debates like this. we can all argue our sides till all of us smokers die of lung cancer I guess. > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:23:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKNm815721 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h005.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.169]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6IKNgm04303 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 9245 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 13:23:33 -0700 Date: 18 Jul 2000 13:23:33 -0700 Message-ID: <20000718202333.9244.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Jul 2000 20:23:33 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 18 Jul 2000 13:23:33 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. On Tue, 18 July 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > I bet > > most smokers don't even like that! > > The smokers on the list can let us know! > I, a smoker, do not like smelling like smoke, either. But to be honest, when you ARE a smoker, you don't smell it anymore. It's kind of like having a glad plug-in in your house. YOU may smell it the first day, but as you get used to it, you don't smell it anymore. But then you have guests over and they tell you how good your house smells. Same theory. I don't always realize I smell like smoke. I usually am just hoping that my perfume is what everyone is smelling. ;-) Laura ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:32:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKWG815927 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-208.patriot.net [209.249.180.208]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6IKS7O29688; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3974BC2A.47BA1DE@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:20:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000718192026.2828.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can we do skinny butt and padded butt groups? Not having been gifted in the buns department, my skinny butt needs a butt break now and again. Bill noassatall LAURA GRANATO wrote: > I know this is a motorcycle list and we should all be discussing bikes, but I think that a little discussion outside is fine. It helps us learn how each other thinks, which potentially is a plus when we will be on the streets with these people riding. :-) Maybe we'll divide the next ride into smokers and non-smokers, so the smokers can stop and take more breaks than the non-smokers. lol. just kidding! > > Laura > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:37:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKbg816015 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-208.patriot.net [209.249.180.208]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6IKbXO31041; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:37:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3974BE61.64CC9393@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:30:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000718192026.2828.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> <3974DA2F.F76AA7@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Pena wrote: > While we're at it, let's divide into SUV and non-SUV folks too! %^) > Let's see... I fall into the category of "sportbike rider who wears a > helmet (but is not in favor of helmet laws) who isn't a smoker (but > tolerates them, as long as they're polite and considerate) who drives an > SUV." Anyone? Bueller? %^) Well, lemme see... I'm a Hawg rider who thinks a really good *twistie* occurs in bed with a fiesty *co-rider*. On the bike I'll always wear a helmet and could care less about helmet laws. A smoker who tries to respect other's airspace, and when I ain't riding a pilot a beatup 4WD Dodge P/U and a really honking big Dodge Ram van. That's if I ever see the van again - seems SWMBO has sent it south as the perfect tank to haul around our grandkiddies. Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:40:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKeN816046 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net [153.39.43.46]) id QQiyko19435; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:40:15 GMT Received: from [153.39.168.51] by ashimr1.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: macsupport10.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.168.51]) id QQiyko11318; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:38:58 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: sjordan@misserve0 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:39:08 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, anita_gpz@XXXXXX From: Sean Jordan Subject: MSF Waiting lists Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I know this subject has been addressed before and I apologize for not paying attention when it was last covered....What is the process for 'no-shows' and the MSF class...I have a buddy with a new CBR600F4 who is itching to ride...but wants to take the MSF class...and doesn't want to wait. Suggestions? Sean Jordan '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fast Lane Cycles Chantilly, Va http://fastlanecycles.com/ Phoenix Comics & Toys Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:55:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web902.mail.yahoo.com (web902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IKts816283 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10141 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2000 20:55:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000718205547.10140.qmail@web902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web902.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:55:47 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MSF Waiting lists To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, anita_gpz@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The policy recently changed in Maryland. The current policy for no shows in Maryland is that anyone who shows up get his name thrown into a hat. At the time the course starts, any extra slots in the course are filled with names drawn from the hat. This was done to keep people from showing up early in the day, signing up on the standby list then disappearing until a few minutes before class. Now everyone is on an equal footing regardless of the time they show up. Leon. --- Sean Jordan wrote: > I know this subject has been addressed before and I > apologize for not > paying attention when it was last covered....What is > the process for > 'no-shows' and the MSF class...I have a buddy with a > new CBR600F4 who > is itching to ride...but wants to take the MSF > class...and doesn't > want to wait. Suggestions? > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) > '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) > WERA Novice #230 > > Sponsors: > Fast Lane Cycles > Chantilly, Va > http://fastlanecycles.com/ > > Phoenix Comics & Toys > Herndon, Va __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 16:59:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IKxn816358 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-208.patriot.net [209.249.180.208]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6IKxaO02054; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3974C38B.20411FA0@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:52:27 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Jordan CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, anita_gpz@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Waiting lists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check with Alexandria, still accepting "walk ons" if someone doesn't show. I believe you have to register first and take your chances. Both Alex & Loudoun have mid-week classes too. Hope he lives in VA - a VA MSF card isn't *recogonized* by MD. Bill Sean Jordan wrote: > I know this subject has been addressed before and I apologize for not > paying attention when it was last covered....What is the process for > 'no-shows' and the MSF class...I have a buddy with a new CBR600F4 who > is itching to ride...but wants to take the MSF class...and doesn't > want to wait. Suggestions? > > Sean Jordan > '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) > '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) > WERA Novice #230 > > Sponsors: > Fast Lane Cycles > Chantilly, Va > http://fastlanecycles.com/ > > Phoenix Comics & Toys > Herndon, Va From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 17:04:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6IL4v816483 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000718210439.17657.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.123.19] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:04:39 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: MSF Waiting lists To: Sean Jordan , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii At Alexandria, the policy is you can show up as a stand-by any time, but once you show up you have to stay in line. No writing your name down. No going home. No looking for dinner. First person there and waiting is first person in. If you leave and come back, you are at the end of the line. The best you can hope is that the others will honor your place in line so you can go to the bathroom. :-) Louis --- Leon Begeman wrote: > The policy recently changed in Maryland. The current > policy for no shows in Maryland is that anyone who > shows up get his name thrown into a hat. At the time > the course starts, any extra slots in the course are > filled with names drawn from the hat. This was done > to keep people from showing up early in the day, > signing up on the standby list then disappearing until > a few minutes before class. Now everyone is on an > equal footing regardless of the time they show up. > > Leon. > --- Sean Jordan wrote: > > I know this subject has been addressed before and I > > apologize for not > > paying attention when it was last covered....What is > > the process for > > 'no-shows' and the MSF class...I have a buddy with a > > new CBR600F4 who > > is itching to ride...but wants to take the MSF > > class...and doesn't > > want to wait. Suggestions? > > > > Sean Jordan > > '93 Honda CBR1000F (street) > > '89 Kawasaki ZX-7 (race) > > WERA Novice #230 > > > > Sponsors: > > Fast Lane Cycles > > Chantilly, Va > > http://fastlanecycles.com/ > > > > Phoenix Comics & Toys > > Herndon, Va > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 17:21:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ILL7816825 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.c6.819ccf0 (7041) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:20:52 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:20:52 EDT Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets.(closure, tie-in) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Glenn - Sorry to tweak a sore topic there, but I think it does relate to the Helmet thread in that it has to do with personal choice. I wasn't trying to say you have no rights as a non-smoker - I have many non-smoking friends and am always polite in regard to my "bad habit". I don't mind sitting in the bar at the resturaunt, or in a seperate room, or even not smoking if the rest of my friends in the group are non-smokers. I will not, however, give money to a resturant or bar that does not allow smoking at all (even if I don't plan on smoking there due to the aforementioned non-smoking friends). That's my right to vote with my wallet. My point is that the goverment shouldn't be telling private citizens how to run their businesses any more than it should be telling us we need helmets, leg protectors, and an automatic inflating stay-puff suit while riding. A bar has no legal obligation to provide a "smoking environment", so if the owner didn't want smokers, he can put up a sign and disallow it. Free-market democracy advocate at large, - Brian Roach From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 19:02:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6IN20818719 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.T) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:59:55 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:08:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 This is longer than I intended... Bryan Roach wrote: > Free market economy: Owner of business (bar) decides > whether to allow or > dissallow smoking in his establishment based on how > much business he stands > to lose by non-smoking customers choosing to pass > his place by. By his > American Politics in action: Non-smoker chooses to > go to place where majority > of patrons indulge in activity he/she doesn't - > non-smoker gets activity > banned from place via legislation. Not the way it works at all. Back in the good/bad old days, if an establishment banned smoking, SMOKERS would sue for discrimination, really! So what the hell should the non-smokers do? Can't vote w/your wallet when there's no place to cast a no-smoking vote! Most restaraunts would try to compromise by having smoking/non sections. I used to frequent a restaraunt in Falls Church called Anthony's. They had both sections and had a TV in each to show games etc. (no speedvision though). The TV in the non section broke, so there wasn't a TV in there for a couple of months. They replaced it with a much larger TV. I was in there one night and this a**hole was yelling his head off about how they put the large TV in the non-smoking section. discrimination blah, blah, blah. He wouldn't shut up. They told him a number of times to leave if he wasn't happy, but the SOB insisted on standing there making a scene. Both the owners and customers were trying to get the guy to shut up and leave. Finally, a customer who looked like a bodybuilder walked over and quietly said a few words to the guy. I imagine something like "you know where I'm going to stick your cigs if you don't shut up", and the guy left. Everyone in the restaraunt was pissed off. Your theory about people voting with their wallets sounds good enough, but it just doesn't work. It sucked to be anyone in that restaraunt that night. Everyone got 10% off their bill and free drinks. Great guys who run the place, but why the hell do they need to go through that crap? I imagine part of the politics involved is all the restaraunt owners running out and saying "make some laws!". I fully realize that non-smokers tend to be worse than smokers as far as restaraunt complaints go. I am just showing why voting w/your wallet doesn't work as a non-smoker. When I first got out of college, the job market wasn't what it is today. The tech field was in a slump because of budget cuts. I got a job at a place that allowed smoking at your desk. I had a constant headache from it for months. I was looking to leave, but having trouble finding a job, not to mention how bad it would look to work somewhere for just a few months right out of college. Fortunately, the no smoking in the office law hit the books right around that time. HELMETS: I find the seat belt and helmet laws to be about the same. I personally like the fact that everyone wears a seatbelt. Say I'm involved in an accident and that it is ruled to be my fault. The fact is that the guy in the other car has a better chance of being OK by wearing a seatbelt. That means that my insurance isn't out thousands in medical bills, which hopefully means lower rates to me. Oh, and by your smoking logic ... you can choose not to ride if you have to wear a helmet :) I am all for less government and more freedom. But, we need some laws to protect me from other peoples general stupidity. It sucks that the government has to step in because some a**holes can't be reasonable. I guess I come from a point of view that I always wear a helmet, and I don't smoke. So, these laws don't have any real effect on me (except I can enjoy myself at a restaraunt). BTW, hope everyone has/had fun at bike night tonight. Wish I coulda made it. I'd happily endure a smoky bar to hang out and talk bikes! Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 19:28:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6INSB819169 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-199.s453.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.199] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Eglk-0003Tf-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:27:20 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bff110$35569260$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Lisa Goddard" , References: <3.0.6.32.20000718085759.008051e0@kivex.com> Subject: Re: Bike parking Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:30:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Only two? If space is tight in town, I bet you could get 3 or 4 bikes in a > cage spot, if you really wanted to. Being nice and save space for others doesn't seem to motivate the OC city council. > Having had bad experiences in OC with cops I tend to gravitate towards > Delaware or North Carolina for my beaching. The cops in OC pulled us over > for not having our visors down. That leads me to question what if you are > wearing a non-full helmet that has no visor? We all had sunglasses on and > I think the manual states that protective eyewear must be worn and that > sunglasses will suffice. Sunglasses are good enough. You don't even need that if you have a windscreen. A guy in Montgomery County got an injunction against MC cops for pulling him over repeatedly with a windshield and no glasses. Windscreen OR eye protection is ok. k.loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 19:33:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6INXT819270 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-220-199.s453.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.220.199] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Egr9-0004Hp-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:32:55 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bff110$fcd8ca60$c7dc7ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Coleman, Perry" , References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5753@md-exchange1.nai.com> Subject: Re: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:36:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 . . . > What brought me to the point of actually writing this was a note a I saw > posted on another list yesterday. Someone's mail-order leathers finally > arrived. He was psyched! He couldn't wait to put them on and go for a ride. > He described how he went to a favorite stretch of road, made an inspection > pass, and then came back through it fast and hard. He was fearless - he had > his leathers, after all. It wasn't like he was going to be seriously injured > if he lost it, right? He felt so much more confident of his bike and his > ability to push it now that he had his protective gear on. . . . Many years ago, I read a Science Fiction book written by Robert Heinlein. The story line described the off-world equivalent of Outward Bound. Each participant could choose his or her weapons and gear. The protagonist in the story picked a well-balanced Bowie knife even though he could have had all kinds of hi-tech geegaws and frufraws. His rationale was that he was likely to be verrrryyyy careful with a minimal weapon. This has become one of my 'parables to live by'. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 21:52:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web310.mail.yahoo.com (web310.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6J1pn821592 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719015121.26157.qmail@web310.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.118.220] by web310.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:51:21 PDT Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:51:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: MSF Waiting lists To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Check with Alexandria, still accepting "walk ons" if someone doesn't > show. I believe you have to register first and take your chances. Both > Alex & Loudoun have mid-week classes too. > Hope he lives in VA - a VA MSF card isn't *recogonized* by MD. > > Bill You don't need to be registered in advance. However, whether you are registered or not for a future course, you need to bring $85 (cash or check). We used to do it that if you showed a receipt for a future class, that was good enough. Until one guy used a receipt to get in, showed up late on Saturday or Sunday and was removed from the class, then used the SAME receipt a few weeks later. The instuctors in the class wouldn't know that the receipt was already used. If you are registered in a class, bring the check/cash anyway, and the receipt, and when the office verifies that you were registered and haven't already used that receipt before, they will send a refund for the class you originally registered for. Makes it more complicated, but that's what happens when people abuse the system. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 22:10:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J2AQ821850 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-246-26.s534.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.26] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EjJF-0001wY-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:10:06 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01bff126$edcc3e60$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , References: <200007181030.AA83362300@mail.toward.com> Subject: Re: Bike parking Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:13:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > When I taught in Maryland, the law required eye protection certified as safety glasses (ANSI Z90 or VESC-8 as I recall), unless the bike had a (tall) windshield. Common sunglasses do not provide that kind of impact protection. I heard that a glasses-check was a common roust; sounds like you were in that. The law does not specify the height of the windshield. k.loerich From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 22:15:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J2F1821994 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-246-26.s534.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.26] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EjNm-0002m0-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:14:46 -0400 Message-ID: <005001bff127$94cacb00$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "Dave Yates" , References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> Subject: Re: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:18:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Just in case you didn't know, somewhere between 60% and 70% of helmets tested by NHTSA fail the tests imposed by Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) 218. This is the DOT testing standard. SNELL testing criteria are different and, in some cases, incompatible with the DOT testing standard. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Yates Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:07 Subject: Re: Helmets. > bryan main wrote: > > > > I've got a question that I've never seen brought up before. how has the > > helmet laws improved helmets? > > they haven't. Think of it like inusurance, which you also MUST have. > has it gotten cheaper ? has service gotten better ? When you have a > situation where you 'must comply' to be legal, an 'artificially > stimulated' business need is created much to the bane of every > consumer... > > what I mean is have helmets become better > > BECAUSE we have helmet laws or would they be the same had we NEVER had > > helmet laws in the first place. > > Probably so. > > Or would the helmets be far more > > expensive because the only people who would buy them would be racers? I > > for one am glad that helmets don't cost more than 200-300 bucks for a good > > SNELL95 model, and I know my wife is happy too as she wouldn't be here > > without one. > > Is there anything that HAS gotten better post Government involvement ? > > I could cite several government meddling situations, but would probably > end up starting one of those controversial threads and the guys in > digest mode would be flaming me for weeks ;-) > > Even if Helmet laws were universally repealed, I'd still wear my full > face helmet everywhere I ride. > Even if I didn't have to carry full coverage insurance, I'd do it > anyway. > Even if I didn't have to wear a seatbelt while in cage, I'd wear it > anyway. > > Maybe the government should concentrate on things more important to the > citizens, like, say, reducing my taxes, or strengthening our national > defense, etc.. etc.. > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 22:49:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J2mu822527 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-25.patriot.net [209.249.180.25]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6J2mZO06145 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:48:35 -0400 Message-ID: <39751558.79D8E55A@patriot.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:41:28 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Nite 3... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A raving success! I think Mark K was keeping count, maybe 80-100 bikes? A few vintage machines, sportbikes, cruisers, at least on barely legal off-road bike, and a few that looked like race bikes with borrowed tags :-) Lotta cool bikes, and a lotta *hot* babes! I was a happy guy... Bill From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 22:58:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe4.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J2wB822713 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VIRGINIA ([24.28.208.42]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:57:44 -0400 From: "Bob Meyer" To: Subject: RE: Helmets. Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002401bff12d$277589e0$0300a8c0@VIRGINIA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005001bff127$94cacb00$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 > Just in case you didn't know, somewhere between 60% and 70% of helmets > tested by NHTSA fail the tests imposed by Federal Motor Vehicle Safety > Standard (FMVSS) 218. This is the DOT testing standard. SNELL testing > criteria are different and, in some cases, incompatible with the > DOT testing > standard. In theory, Snell and DOT standards are incompatible in some respects. In reality, it's *harder* to make a helmet pass both Snell and DOT than either one alone. At the same time, every street legal Snell 95 helmet also meets DOT standards, so it's not THAT hard to do. In the wind, Bob Meyer 1992 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ============================================= People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 23:13:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J3Cx822963 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EkHK-0004pI-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:12:10 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Cc: , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Fw: Protest Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:17:57 GMT Message-ID: <397647bf.217282697@smtp.erols.com> References: <000401bff051$f226a7a0$8bd5f4d1@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <000401bff051$f226a7a0$8bd5f4d1@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6J3ET822965 |>the actual DC Sportbike Riders has only 80 or so. I know DC Cycles doesn't |>want to be judged "as a club" for the actions of one or a few of its Good point |>Matt Chickenhawk is that you? |>"Danny, how many lists are you on, anyway???" Way too many. There are only 2 i really try to keep up with. You don't have to guess which two :) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 23:16:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J3G3823049 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EkKi-0005bg-00; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:15:40 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Sean Jordan Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, anita_gpz@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MSF Waiting lists Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:28 GMT Message-ID: <397748c8.217548102@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6J3GF823050 I hear the newport news location isn't hard to get into. |>is itching to ride...but wants to take the MSF class...and doesn't |>want to wait. Suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 23:18:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J3Ho823067 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-43.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.171]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16353 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975489A.21F538E7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:20:10 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a quick note to say "Thanx!" to everyone who made it to Bike Night 3 at Grevey's. According to my partner in crime (Mark Kitchell), we had 80+ m/c's! Not bad for a "school night". And our biggest turn out so far. You guys rock! It was great seeing everyone and meeting new folks, but I know I didn't get a chance to say "Hi!" or meet everyone there. Hope to meet the folks I didn't get a chance to talk to the next time. Speaking of which, we'll keep you posted about the next Bike Night (4). Any feedback about all the Bike Nights is appreciated. Location? Day of the week? Time? What did you like (or didn't)? What would you like to see that we didn't do? Mark and I aren't getting rich doing this %^), but we want to do our best to make it a fun event for everyone. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 23:54:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J3rW823686 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMccre5861@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.92.77e6c64 (4207) for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:52:21 -0400 (EDT) From: RMccre5861@XXXXXX Message-ID: <92.77e6c64.26a67ff5@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:52:21 EDT Subject: Survival Tales To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Lets start a new thread! Survival Tales On Motorcycles I am sure there are some great stories out there to be told and exaggerated. Here is one another to follow! Traveling east on route 10 in Texas, nearest town, El Paso, 90 miles further east. Friend on a Suzuki Madura ( remember them! ) I on a Honda Shadow. Suzuki runs out of gas, Luckily I have a small gas container for such things, we pull over and I turn my bike off . Stupid stupid!. Put the gas into the suzuki and get it running, go over to my bike and try to start it Click! Click! Click! . Now I know the battery is good but no power is getting to the Starter, as anyone who is familair with electrical problems knows there is a set routine of check this and that before you jump to conclusions. Well it is 110 degrees with no shade, as you can imagine my friend was no longer my friend he was just an Asshole for not checking his gas at the last town and now I have to suffer!!. Begin check list, 20 minutes no joy. 40 minutes no joy. State trooper comes by asks what is the problem, I say do not know yet still checking, he says I will come by in 20 minutes to check up on you, sounds good to me!. 60 minutes later I have I have the headlight off and the ignition switch dismantled, a tiny spring in the ignition switch had stuck inside its barrel and was not making contact with the copper collar on the main circuit, added some grease and loosened it up. 60 minutes later we are back on the road, hot as hell and totally pissed off. into the first bar in El Paso for a cold beer, Still is the best beer I have ever had!!!. By the way state trooper never showed up ! Wonder how long we would have had to wait for him to return!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 23:54:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J3s6823699 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.230.42.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.230.42]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14465; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Collin T. Fagan" , , , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: RE: Fw: Protest Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:45:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001001bff133$d9871d00$2ae6f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000718023923.11642.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Um, I think you missed the point. I didn't ask "why" or "how" the reputation came about. I'm simply saying that you should not make blanket judgments about a group because the NAME is handy to use, when as you admit you don't know who is who, which is why you use convenience terms like "many" and "often" so much. Matt "Can't we all just be 'RIDERS'?" -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan [mailto:gixer_racer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 10:39 PM To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX; daniel_ex250@XXXXXX; D.C.Cycles-L Subject: RE: Fw: Protest --- Big Matty wrote: > One point of clarification: The yahoo club has several thousand > members; > the actual DC Sportbike Riders has only 80 or so. I know DC Cycles > doesn't > want to be judged "as a club" for the actions of one or a few of its > members, and especially for the actions of those who just happen to > be on > the email list. Please try to extend the same courtesy to other > clubs that > you want for yourselves (not judging an organized club based on posts > of > people who aren't even members). > I'll get off my soapbox now. > Matt > "Danny, how many lists are you on, anyway???" Probably a lot!! like me :) Hmmm.. how to put into words what I want to say without pissing everyone on DCSBR thoroughly off.... I agree with you that there are only 80 or so "official" DCSBR members and 662 users of the club. However, MANY of that 662 are REGULAR posters on DCSBR and often ride with the core group.. so yes, I would associate any of the regular riders/posters with the yahoo club. If they wanted exclusivity, then they could easily start an email list with egroups or similar service... DCC & DCSBR both have their share of crashes, and I associate both with the members of their respective groups. The reason DCSBR gets the rep they do; however, is they (including MANY of the core members) OFTEN post about riding high speed runs up to baltimore, admitting weaving in and out of the traffic including riding on the shoulder and splitting cars, running from the cops, etc etc. *THAT* is why they get singled out moreso than folks on DCC or balt cycles. While the DCC crashes that I know of have mostly been on secondary roads with little or no non-cycling public seeing or hearing of it. If there were a way to weed out all the multiple user accounts on the yahoo club, it would be very interesting to see what the crash ratio is per member between the two major groups. I believe Harry mentioned a while back that DCC has around 280 active members... DCSBR has a lot more (but not 662 individual members as the club page indicates) hence why we see more crashes posted there....any statistics geeks out there want to do the research??? My guess is that the ratio is probably in the same ballpark..... Ok.. it's late.. I'm rambling.. off to bed with me :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Tue Jul 18 23:56:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h000.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.164]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6J3si823712 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 19192 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 20:53:09 -0700 Received: from 1Cust8.tnt4.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.26.198.8) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 20:53:09 -0700 X-Sent: 19 Jul 2000 03:53:09 GMT Message-ID: <004901bff135$f1950860$08c61a3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Bill Huson" , References: <39751558.79D8E55A@patriot.net> Subject: Re: Bike Nite 3... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:00:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I agree on all counts! ;-) It was great finally meeting everyone that I've been talking to, but had no face to put with a name. Definitely a blast and looking forward to number 4... Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Huson To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 10:41 PM Subject: Bike Nite 3... > A raving success! I think Mark K was keeping count, maybe 80-100 > bikes? A few vintage machines, sportbikes, cruisers, at least on barely > legal off-road bike, and a few that looked like race bikes with borrowed > tags :-) > > Lotta cool bikes, and a lotta *hot* babes! I was a happy guy... > > Bill > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 00:05:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J45I823921 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-43.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.171]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA05859; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975538D.9E77A86E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:06:53 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK boyz and girlz. I'm gonna try doing a group ride this Saturday. Hopefully it won't be plagued with either mechanical mishaps or rider-induced errors (not to mention unwanted encounters with the long arm of the John Law). To that end, please: 1. Make sure your m/c is in good running/mechanical condition. 2. Make sure your tires aren't ratty and in need of replacement. 3. Make sure your m/c is legal (i.e., inspected and tagged properly). Per discussions at Bike Night 3 earlier this evening, we will divide the ride into (at least) 2 distinct groups: 1. Those who want to ride at a more "spirited" pace. 2. Those who want to ride at a more "relaxed" pace. A special, very big THANK YOU to Laura Granato and Niv for agreeing to take responsibility for the latter group. Let's all meet at the Sheetz at 55 and 15 (Haymarket) at 9am. Hopefully, that means we'll actually get out of there NLT 9:15am. If anyone wants to ride with me from Arlington, meet me in the parking lot behind the Rosslyn Amoco (corner of Wilson Blvd. and Quinn St.) NLT 8:15am and we'll drone out I-66. I'll put together a more detailed route and post it to the list, but the general ride will be: - Sheetz to Warrenton - Warrenton to Flint Hill - Flint Hill to 211 - 211 up and over Thornton Gap (twisties) - 211 through Luray (we can stop in Luray for gas, if necessary) and into New Market (we go over another gap, i.e., twisties, befire New Market but I can't remember which one) - 11 north out of New Market (straight road that parallels I-81 and a good stretch to relax, chill, etc.) - Right on Red Banks Rd. in Mount Jackson (I've never been on this road but it looks like it might be a fun one if you can believe the Yahoo! map I'm looking at) - Red Banks Rd. eventually comes back into 11 just south of Edinburg and we'll continue north on 11 - Right on 675 in Edinburg, which will put us on more twisty roads and take us up and over what I think is called Edinburg Gap - Left at the T-intersection onto 678 (more twisty roads) -- NOTE: the last time we rode on 678 the road was covered in fine gravel once we entered the National Forest and if it's still like that I have absolutely no intention of trying to ride fast through this section - Right at the T-intersection onto 55, which we'll take into Front Royal I am open to suggestion as to what y'all want to do after Front Royal. If the above is enough riding, we can hit I-66 and head for home. Or if you want more, we can do the roads that wind by the river and do a run over Mount Weather (601). Some other ride notes (sorry if some of this sounds like lecturing): 1. If we have a lot of people, we will need to further subdivide the group into more "manageable" sub-groups (probably not more than 6 riders each). 2. Everyone should ride at their own pace and comfort/ability level. It's not a race and there are no prizes for being firstest or fastest. 3. If you want to pass other riders, do it on the straights and make it a clean pass (i.e., no buzzing people). Absolutely no passing or stuffing people in the corners (save it for the track). 4. Use discretion and good judgement when passing cars/trucks, especially if other riders are going to try and follow you on the pass. 5. We will wait and re-group at appropriate spots. 6. As a general rule, when the road is double-lane (or more) ride in a staggered formation. But on single lane roads ride single file. There will be, of course, exceptions to this. 7. If you want to ride faster than the lead rider/ride leader (i.e., me), that's cool. Just be prepared to wait for everyone else or get lost (and have no one come looking for you). Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 00:08:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J47p823943 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.230.42.Washington1.Level3.net [209.244.230.42]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24636; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Charles V. Pena" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: <001601bff135$f3836ae0$2ae6f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3975489A.21F538E7@ix.netcom.com> That was a good time, lots of bikes, lots of different crowds. Wow, I saw DC Cycles, DC Sportbike Riders, Slipstream, and lots of others all talking and having a good time, and not talking trash about each other. Y'know, maybe world peace is just a matter of getting everyone on motorcycles! Kristina, email me off the list and we'll talk more about your ride (now that you've laid the guilt trip on me!) ha ha! vtrman@XXXXXX Matt -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 2:20 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! Just a quick note to say "Thanx!" to everyone who made it to Bike Night 3 at Grevey's. According to my partner in crime (Mark Kitchell), we had 80+ m/c's! Not bad for a "school night". And our biggest turn out so far. You guys rock! It was great seeing everyone and meeting new folks, but I know I didn't get a chance to say "Hi!" or meet everyone there. Hope to meet the folks I didn't get a chance to talk to the next time. Speaking of which, we'll keep you posted about the next Bike Night (4). Any feedback about all the Bike Nights is appreciated. Location? Day of the week? Time? What did you like (or didn't)? What would you like to see that we didn't do? Mark and I aren't getting rich doing this %^), but we want to do our best to make it a fun event for everyone. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 00:44:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f249.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.249]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6J4hk824553 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:43:04 -0700 Received: from 216.126.137.184 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.126.137.184] From: "vfr 800" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Smoking and Kalifornia NMCC Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:43:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2000 04:43:04.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[D37073F0:01BFF13B] Well, I can say that as a resident of Kalifornia for 7 months now, that I am absolutely thrilled with the smoking ban in restaurants. For the first time in my life I can go out to eat and not wreek of smoke when I leave. It truly is a filthy habit. I will say that as a waiter a number of years ago, that the smokers were generally more sedate and pleasant to deal with, as another lister pointed out. To each his own, but don't expect me to be happy about being forced into engaging in your addiction. I certainly wouldn't piss on your head after I drank a beer. (Really, I wouldn't) Now let's get back to motorcycles, shall we? In any case, with all of Kalifornias faults, you really can't beat the riding weather out here. So nya, nya, nya . . . John 98 VFR ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 07:21:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JBL0801894 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.31.237.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.31.237]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA26321 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bff172$8550e420$ed1f5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601bff135$f3836ae0$2ae6f4d1@oemcomputer> Cripes, I meant LAURA. I don't even think I met Kristina. See, this is probably why I could never keep a girlfriend either. N E Ways, have a good Wednesday. -----Original Message----- From: Big Matty [mailto:vtrman@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 12:01 AM To: Charles V. Pena; DC Cycles Subject: RE: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! That was a good time, lots of bikes, lots of different crowds. Wow, I saw DC Cycles, DC Sportbike Riders, Slipstream, and lots of others all talking and having a good time, and not talking trash about each other. Y'know, maybe world peace is just a matter of getting everyone on motorcycles! Kristina, email me off the list and we'll talk more about your ride (now that you've laid the guilt trip on me!) ha ha! vtrman@XXXXXX Matt -----Original Message----- From: Charles V. Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 2:20 AM To: DC Cycles Subject: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! Just a quick note to say "Thanx!" to everyone who made it to Bike Night 3 at Grevey's. According to my partner in crime (Mark Kitchell), we had 80+ m/c's! Not bad for a "school night". And our biggest turn out so far. You guys rock! It was great seeing everyone and meeting new folks, but I know I didn't get a chance to say "Hi!" or meet everyone there. Hope to meet the folks I didn't get a chance to talk to the next time. Speaking of which, we'll keep you posted about the next Bike Night (4). Any feedback about all the Bike Nights is appreciated. Location? Day of the week? Time? What did you like (or didn't)? What would you like to see that we didn't do? Mark and I aren't getting rich doing this %^), but we want to do our best to make it a fun event for everyone. Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 07:26:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JBQF801907 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719112602.13945.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.65] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:26:02 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Nite 3... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Agreed, good show guys (and gals). Didn't hardly recognize anybody there though. Must be a lot of new people on the list lately. Glenn --- Laura Granato wrote: > I agree on all counts! ;-) It was great finally > meeting everyone that I've > been talking to, but had no face to put with a name. > Definitely a blast and > looking forward to number 4... > > Laura Granato > '99 Suzuki GS500 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Huson > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 10:41 PM > Subject: Bike Nite 3... > > > > A raving success! I think Mark K was keeping > count, maybe 80-100 > > bikes? A few vintage machines, sportbikes, > cruisers, at least on barely > > legal off-road bike, and a few that looked like > race bikes with borrowed > > tags :-) > > > > Lotta cool bikes, and a lotta *hot* babes! I was > a happy guy... > > > > Bill > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 07:30:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3603.mail.yahoo.com (web3603.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.98]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JBUU802056 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719113016.12351.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3603.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:30:16 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:30:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! To: "Charles V. Pena" , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My only suggestion is *maybe* you could get the management to cone off the first ten or fifteen parking spots so that most people can park together. Other then that I think it was great. Glenn --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Just a quick note to say "Thanx!" to everyone who > made it to Bike Night > 3 at Grevey's. According to my partner in crime > (Mark Kitchell), we had > 80+ m/c's! Not bad for a "school night". And our > biggest turn out so > far. You guys rock! It was great seeing everyone > and meeting new > folks, but I know I didn't get a chance to say "Hi!" > or meet everyone > there. Hope to meet the folks I didn't get a chance > to talk to the next > time. Speaking of which, we'll keep you posted > about the next Bike > Night (4). > > Any feedback about all the Bike Nights is > appreciated. Location? Day > of the week? Time? What did you like (or didn't)? > What would you like > to see that we didn't do? Mark and I aren't getting > rich doing this > %^), but we want to do our best to make it a fun > event for everyone. > > Cheers, > Skittles, aka Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 07:47:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JBlS802302 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA17361 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:47:20 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000718131217.007671c4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:12:17 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Helmets. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 PM 7/18/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >OK... cynical rant done - but do you see the point? You don't have to go to a >bar where people smoke. You or some bar owner sould start a bar that is >specifically non-smoking if *significant market demand exists to sustain such >a business*. Umm, but prior to government action, if you wanted to go to a resturant or bar, you had pretty much no choice but to put up with cigarette smoke. Not because the majority of customers smoked, but because 2 or 3 (or even 1) smokers can muck up the air pretty fast. So the truth is that unless I wanted to stay home, I *did* have to go to a bar where people smoke. You can make the argument that most non-smokers must not car all that much, but the argument that I had a choice is bogus. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 07:47:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mb3.mailbank.com (proxy.mailbank.com [208.49.167.126]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JBlS802303 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 300bmeyers (firewall.pec.com [204.254.216.14]) by mb3.mailbank.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA17350; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:47:18 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000718130832.007671c4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> X-Sender: RMEYER@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:08:32 -0400 To: Dave Yates From: Bob Meyer Subject: Re: Helmets. Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:07 PM 7/18/00 -0400, Dave Yates wrote: >bryan main wrote: > > Is there anything that HAS gotten better post Government involvement ? Yes, many many things. Air quality, water quality, automobile safety, roads (though maybe not in Virginia) to name just a few that impact us every day. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 07:54:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JBsc802390 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16234; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000719075349.009f3930@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:55:39 -0400 To: "Charles V. Pena" , DC Cycles From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! In-Reply-To: <3975489A.21F538E7@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Had fun, glad I was finally able to make it to one of these! Looking forward to the next one! There was plenty of space and LOTS of people and bikes, I liked it! Very close to home, too... : ) I'll have to mingle more next time, didn't get to meet as many "faces behind the names" as I wanted to! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 11:20 PM 7/18/00 -0700, Charles V. Pena wrote: >Just a quick note to say "Thanx!" to everyone who made it to Bike Night >3 at Grevey's. According to my partner in crime (Mark Kitchell), we had >80+ m/c's! Not bad for a "school night". And our biggest turn out so >far. You guys rock! It was great seeing everyone and meeting new >folks, but I know I didn't get a chance to say "Hi!" or meet everyone >there. Hope to meet the folks I didn't get a chance to talk to the next >time. Speaking of which, we'll keep you posted about the next Bike >Night (4). > >Any feedback about all the Bike Nights is appreciated. Location? Day >of the week? Time? What did you like (or didn't)? What would you like >to see that we didn't do? Mark and I aren't getting rich doing this >%^), but we want to do our best to make it a fun event for everyone. > >Cheers, >Skittles, aka Chuck > >-- >"Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai >visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 08:16:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JCG9802772 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from e21.nc.us.ibm.com (e21.nc.us.ibm.com [32.97.136.227]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6JCG6m29177 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.209]) by e21.nc.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA46002 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:05:31 -0500 From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.35]) by southrelay02.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.8m3/NCO v4.9) with SMTP id IAA43650 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:16:04 -0400 Received: by d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256921.00435576 ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:15:27 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256921.0042FB5D.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:11:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Okay, so today is the thrid Wednesday of July, that makes it national ride your bike to work day. Felt the same as yesterday coming to work. Any of you see more bikes than usual today? Oh, I did see one bike besides mine in the lot this morning so there's two of us riders for a day at least................ Regards, Tom Knapik EAGLE Architect E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 08:24:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JCOs802851 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6JCOom01108 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16528; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000719082408.009f06b0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:25:50 -0400 To: knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Ride to Work Day In-Reply-To: <85256921.0042FB5D.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I rode to work today, but didn't see many bikes at all. Of course, I got in early, around 7:45a.m., so maybe everyone was still asleep! LOL I woke up EXTRA early - lucky me - the dog puked in the bed. yay ugh. way to start the morning... : ( - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 08:11 AM 7/19/00 -0400, knapik@XXXXXX wrote: > > >Okay, so today is the thrid Wednesday of July, that makes it national ride >your bike to work day. Felt the same as yesterday coming to work. Any of >you see more bikes than usual today? Oh, I did see one bike besides mine >in the lot this morning so there's two of us riders for a day at >least................ > >Regards, >Tom Knapik >EAGLE Architect >E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX >Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 08:53:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JCra803289 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6JCrXm07701 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA1905004 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975A4C9.2B0002F2@radix.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:53:29 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day References: <4.1.20000719082408.009f06b0@intertv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette Zell wrote: > > I rode to work today, but didn't see many bikes at all. Of course, I got > in early, around 7:45a.m., I rode to work today, but got started a few minutes late ; 0435... didn't see many bikes... just one in fact. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 08:59:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JCxG803367 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Jul 19 06:02:20 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <358D0VVM>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:04:47 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF575D@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Ride to Work Day Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:57:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I rode in. My (more or less) regular time and route. I saw two sport bikes that I've never seen before. Perry -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:53 AM Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day Jeannette Zell wrote: > > I rode to work today, but didn't see many bikes at all. Of course, I got > in early, around 7:45a.m., I rode to work today, but got started a few minutes late ; 0435... didn't see many bikes... just one in fact. -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:03:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JD3I803454 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200007190903.AA6750628@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Kathleen Loerich" Subject: Re: Bike parking X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kathleen Loerich" >The law does not specify the height of the windshield. Good point. I just found: "(c) Required eye-protective device or windscreen.- A person may not operate a motorcycle unless: (1) He is wearing an eye-protective device of a type approved by the Administrator; or (2) The motorcycle is equipped with a windscreen. " (http://www.lexislawpublishing.com/sdCGI-BIN/om_isapi.dll?clientID=669&advquery=eye%20AND%20motorcycle&infobase=MDCODE.NFO&record={28BA90}&softpage=Browse_Frame_Pg) This leaves a lot open to interpretation of the officer - few would argue that a sport bikes windshield actually offers eye protection. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:05:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JD5C803537 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:05:10 -0400 Message-Id: <200007190905.AA15335824@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , "Kathleen Loerich" Subject: Re: Bike parking X-Mailer: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6JD5F803538 ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Kathleen Loerich" >The law does not specify the height of the windshield. Good point. I just found: " M-' 21-1306. Equipment for riders. (c) Required eye-protective device or windscreen.- A person may not operate a motorcycle unless: (1) He is wearing an eye-protective device of a type approved by the Administrator; or (2) The motorcycle is equipped with a windscreen. " (http://www.lexislawpublishing.com/sdCGI-BIN/om_isapi.dll?clientID=669&advquery=eye%20AND%20motorcycle&infobase=MDCODE.NFO&record={28BA90}&softpage=Browse_Frame_Pg) This leaves a lot open to interpretation of the officer - few would argue that a sport bikes windshield actually offers eye protection. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:06:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JD6D803547 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6JD6Am10050 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719130601.19999.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:06:01 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:06:01 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Oh, I did see one bike besides mine in the lot this morning so there's two of us riders for a day at least................" I haven't seen any yet. then again I've only ever seen a handful of riders here, and I work at a BIG company. I guess I'll look at lunch too, but it was raining so that probaly scared off most of them. }: Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:07:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JD7W803557 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:07:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200007190907.AA983470@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: MC parking at 11th & E St. NW? X-Mailer: Hi, anybody know of motorcycle parking near 11th and E St. NW? thanks, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JDBw803572 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719131150.20642.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:11:50 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:11:50 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: windshield height was Bike parking To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > (1) He is wearing an eye-protective device of a type approved by the > Administrator; or > (2) The motorcycle is equipped with a windscreen. " > This leaves a lot open to interpretation of the officer - few would > argue that a sport bikes windshield actually offers eye protection. I was told when I took the MSF course last year that the height of the windshield only needed to be 7 inches high and you didn't need glasses. now that's what she said and i'm hopeing she would know. Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:23:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JDNm803807 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.76.1449d6f (9251) for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Message-ID: <76.1449d6f.26a705d2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:23:30 EDT Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Not sure if it counts, but I rode in to work last night. On my way home this morning I saw a few bikes, including another Moto Guzzi (anyone on this list?). Unfortunately I'd bet the weather has caged some wouldbe riders. Rob VanSlyke 99 Moto Guzzi V11 EV "Dolce" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:25:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JDPO803820 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.221]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23892; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975D7AE.83CE4F83@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:30:38 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! References: <001601bff135$f3836ae0$2ae6f4d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are we now starting the Rodney King thread??? %^) Big Matty wrote : > > That was a good time, lots of bikes, lots of different crowds. Wow, I saw > DC Cycles, DC Sportbike Riders, Slipstream, and lots of others all talking > and having a good time, and not talking trash about each other. Y'know, > maybe world peace is just a matter of getting everyone on motorcycles! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:30:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JDUR804071 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.221]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26459; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975D8DE.C8D64CFC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:35:42 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! References: <20000719113016.12351.qmail@web3603.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Glenn, I agree. Will talk to Kevin Grevey today. But I'm pretty sure they have no control over the parking lot situation, however. You were the guy riding without a helmet, smoking, with a beer balanced on your gas tank, right??? %^) Chuck Glenn Dysart wrote: > > My only suggestion is *maybe* you could get the > management to cone off the first ten or fifteen > parking spots so that most people can park together. > Other then that I think it was great. > > Glenn > > --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > > Just a quick note to say "Thanx!" to everyone who > > made it to Bike Night > > 3 at Grevey's. According to my partner in crime > > (Mark Kitchell), we had > > 80+ m/c's! Not bad for a "school night". And our > > biggest turn out so > > far. You guys rock! It was great seeing everyone > > and meeting new > > folks, but I know I didn't get a chance to say "Hi!" > > or meet everyone > > there. Hope to meet the folks I didn't get a chance > > to talk to the next > > time. Speaking of which, we'll keep you posted > > about the next Bike > > Night (4). > > > > Any feedback about all the Bike Nights is > > appreciated. Location? Day > > of the week? Time? What did you like (or didn't)? > > What would you like > > to see that we didn't do? Mark and I aren't getting > > rich doing this > > %^), but we want to do our best to make it a fun > > event for everyone. > > > > Cheers, > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > -- > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 09:39:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JDde804318 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <38BA3YZF>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:39:19 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Protest Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:39:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Coupla thoughts re the protest ride supporting the MD "Rocket Rider" thing: My first gut feeling about the ride was "that's a Good Thing". My second is: 1. Blocking three out of four lanes is gonna piss off a lot of people. Ordinary speed, especially on the PG part of the beltway, is way above the 55 posted. What's your objective here? Pander to a few MD DOT folks, irritate a bunch of citizens who are "doin' the ordinary speed", goad a nut into endangering someone's life -- and maybe -- catch it on video, engender the sympathy of the few drivers who believe the 55 mph limit is science-based? My experience is that most of the folks on that road aren't driving a vehicle but only steering it from one place to another. Thus, I believe your protest will only be an obstacle, not a message. But, god bless and good luck. 2. IMHO, this "Rocket Rider" project is a waste of resources and a publicity stunt. Sure it sounds great, "we're gonna stop those steenkin' murdersickle riders who buzz law abidin' folks." I'm a pretty sedate rider (AKA "Choir Borg") so additional enforcement isn't gonna affect me that way. But I'd druther see my MD taxes go toward improving public safety, not pandering to public ignorance. For instance I'd rather see those resources go to: a) Enforcing the speed limit in the right lane: where vehicles exit and enter; where many speeders go because the police are checking the left (fast) lane. b) Pulling the LLBs out of the left lane. Sheese, give the speeders the left lane, then they're farther away from slower merging traffic (well, except for parts of the VA beltway). That'd promote both safety and road courtesy (which is linked to public safety) c) enforce using turnsignals when changing lanes (courtesy and safety) RE Helmets: I wear one for both safety and comfort. On one hand, my "pointy-headed, parent" side sez "protect the idjuts". But, my cynic sez, "Clean the gene pool; make helmets optional to all who haven't bred." >8^> Glenn felt, "Maybe the government should concentrate on things more important to the citizens, like, say, reducing my taxes, or strengthening our national defense, etc.. etc.." Amen, I wish traffic laws were based more on science than myths and "notions" - Roach confessed, "Ugh... I HATE saying this, especially since I agree with all the above, but the undeniable truth is... Americans are stupid." The late Bard of Baltimore would have agreed: "You can never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." H.L. Menken. Jay St. Peter mused, "I am all for less government and more freedom. But, we need some laws to protect me from other peoples general stupidity. It sucks that the government has to step in because some a**holes can't be reasonable." Yeah But, even we pointy-headed gummimint folks are human. So, don't expect perfection but do keep demanding it. Carl in Bethesda (tryin' to hep ya) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:08:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JE8f805546 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:08:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200007191008.AA5112232@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , bryan main Subject: Re: windshield height was Bike parking X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: bryan main >I was told when I took the MSF course last year that the height of the >windshield only needed to be 7 inches high and you didn't need glasses. >now that's what she said and i'm hopeing she would know. Hopefully, but when I was teaching they told us to never quote laws and to stop passing out information sheets - seems there were complaints about what students heard not matching what the laws were. The excerpt I quoted is out of Maryland law as provided by Lexis-Nexus. The law on windshield height was probably written when windshields were not the styling acoutrement they are today. The law's silence leaves a lot to the officer's discretion. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:08:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JE8f805545 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:08:35 -0400 Message-Id: <200007191008.AA12714404@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: , bryan main Subject: Re: windshield height was Bike parking X-Mailer: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: bryan main >I was told when I took the MSF course last year that the height of the >windshield only needed to be 7 inches high and you didn't need glasses. >now that's what she said and i'm hopeing she would know. Hopefully, but when I was teaching they told us to never quote laws and to stop passing out information sheets - seems there were complaints about what students heard not matching what the laws were. The excerpt I quoted is out of Maryland law as provided by Lexis-Nexus. The law on windshield height was probably written when windshields were not the styling acoutrement they are today. The law's silence leaves a lot to the officer's discretion. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEBw805643 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DF9@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Thanks for making Bike Night 3 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:04:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Looks like I am the late one into work this morning. Thanks to all who attended Bike Night 3. In some ways this was my favorite, with more motorcycles and talk about motorcycles than previously. Great to meet new faces, and I am looking forward to riding with some of you this Saturday. Question? Whats with all the R1s without any mirrors? Isn't that just asking for trouble from the Man. BTW, the Man was present in the parking lot numeours times with no problems reported. Thanks again and stay tuned for BN4! Mark Kitchell From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:12:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web4603.mail.yahoo.com (web4603.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.158]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JECM805719 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719141214.21068.qmail@web4603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.151.86.2] by web4603.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:12:14 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:12:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Paging Kirt Senser To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirt, Please e-mail me back on kirk@XXXXXX. Thanks, Kirk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:19:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JEJN805884 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Jul 19 07:22:33 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <358D0YWQ>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:25:00 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5762@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Cc: "'Mark Kitchell'" Subject: RE: Thanks for making Bike Night 3 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:17:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, I guess they remove them to reduce wind resistance. Otherwise, how could they ride at 180mph? Either that, or because it looks cool? ;^) Regards, Perry From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Question? Whats with all the R1s without any mirrors? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:24:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JEOv805963 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719142449.4418.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.42.23] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:24:49 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Fwd: Nolan Helmets To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: v4mofo@XXXXXX, adl64@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey all.. this looks like an awesome price on the nolan flip face helmet...Duane has been selling me ALL of my racing helmets and he's done me very well on them and other things I've bought. And apparently, he's treated other listers tht I have referred very well also. Please tell him I said howdy if you give him a call. Collin --- aloetran@XXXXXX wrote: > > Hey yM-^Rall, > > I hate to advertise on e-mail but this was a good deal I thought > yM-^Rall > might be interested in a Nolan N100 at a > great price. Our supplier of Nolan helmets is overstocked on some > sizes > and colors and we are passing the > savings along to you. They are new, still in the box, has never been > worn or tried on. The Nolan N100 is > comparable to the Shoei Duotec and Syncrotec. > > The Nolan N100 Trend helmets are available in white, sliver and > wineberry. The vent on top is black (the photo > does not show it as black). > The Nolan N100 Classic (vent is the color of the helmet) is available > in > red. > There are only a couple of black helmets available in XXL. > > Both N100 styles has these features: > > M-' Innovative, patented front-lifting system designed for touring and > dedicated street riders > M-' Molded Lexan shell > M-' Stylish, compact wind-tunnel tested design > M-' "High-Brite" painting system offers long-term good looks and > durability > M-' Features JSW (Jet Stream Wing), NolanM-^Rs patented air conditioning > system > M-' M-^SMicrolockM-^T retention system > M-' Interior is "sanitized" with anti-microbial treatment > M-' Removable wind protector/breath deflector > M-' GE Lexan face shield > M-' DOT certified system > > These helmets retail at $199.99 M-^V Sale price, while supplies last, > $128.00 plus shipping to you. > > If you have any questions or need help with sizing, please e-mail me. > > Yvonne > Dixie Cycle > 318-368-3172 > > Please tell your riding partners! > > There is a limited supply, ater these - there will be no more! > ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:28:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JESE806041 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.86]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29194; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975E668.12481410@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:33:28 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Saturday ride - route Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone, Below is the proposed ride route for the Saturday ride that I am leading, starting at the Sheetz in Haymarket at the intersection of 55 and 15 at 9:00am. It should offer enough variety (and challenge) to keep everyone happy. I would stronly suggest that everyone doing this ride print this out and bring it with you on Saturday. I can also send it to you as a MS Word document if you email me directly and request such. I would also appreciate RSVPs so that I have some idea of how many people might show up to ride. Also, please indicate if you plan to ride in the "spirited" vs. "relaxed" group. Thanx! And just to (again) review the ride "rules" (sorry for the lecture, but given past events I feel compelled to say this): 1. Make sure your m/c is in good running/mechanical condition. 2. Make sure your tires aren't ratty and in need of replacement. 3. Make sure your m/c is legal (i.e., inspected and tagged properly). 4. Helmet (this should be a no brainer) - even if you don't believe in helmet laws! %^) 5. Reasonable "safety" gear - i.e., at least jeans and a riding-specific jacket -- a 'Stich or similar suit or full leathers are even better, boots, gloves, etc. 6. If we have a lot of people, we will need to further subdivide the group into more "manageable" sub-groups (probably not more than 6 riders each). 7. Everyone should ride at their own pace and comfort/ability level. It's not a race and there are no prizes for being firstest or fastest. 8. If you want to pass other riders, do it on the straights and make it a clean pass (i.e., no buzzing people). Absolutely no passing or stuffing people in the corners (save it for the track). 9. Use discretion and good judgement when passing cars/trucks, especially if other riders are going to try and follow you on the pass. 10. We will wait and re-group at appropriate spots. 11. As a general rule, when the road is double-lane (or more) ride in a staggered formation. But on single lane roads ride single file. There will be, of course, exceptions to this. Hand signals from the ride leader/rider in front of you: 1 finger up in the air means to ride single file, 2 fingers up in the air means to ride staggered formation. 12. If you want to ride faster than the lead rider/ride leader (i.e., me), that's cool. Absolutely no problem whatsoever. Some people say I ride "fast", but I know there will be people who come out who are better/faster riders than me. I don't want to hold anyone back from riding their "pace". Just be prepared to wait for everyone else at appropriate places (e.g., turns) or get lost (and have no one come looking for you). Cheers, Chuck, aka Skittles P.S. There will be a special sub-group for red Honda VFR/VTR riders! %^) FROM SHEETZ @ INTERSECTION OF 55 AND 15: L onto 55 S through traffic light X 15 L Blantyre Rd./628 L Winchester Rd./7 @ SS (T-intersection) - Stay on 17 into Warrenton where Winchester Rd. becomes Broadview Ave. R Frost Ave./211 @ TL R Van Roijen St. L Waterloo Rd./678 - We will stay on this road (changes names and route numbers along the way) until it ends L Crest Hill Rd./647 @ SS (T-intersection) - We will stay on this road until it ends in Flint Hill (a good place to re-group) L 522 @ SS (T-intersection) R 211 @ SS (T-intersection) - We will stay on 211 through Sperryville, up and over Thornton Gap (twisties), through Luray, up and over ??? Gap (more twisties), and into New Market R 11 north @ TL (T-intersection) in New Market (we can stop for gas in New Market, unless we've already stopped for gas in Luray) R Red Banks Rd. in Mount Jackson - I'VE NEVER BEEN ON THIS ROAD SO THIS PART OF THE RIDE WILL BE AN ADVENTURE. R 11 north R 675 in Edinburg - We stay on this road up and over Edinburg Gap (more twisties, some kind of tight) until it ends L 678 @ SS (T-intersection) - We stay on 678 (more twisties, but sweeping) until it ends. WARNING: There may be gravel on the road through the section that's in the National Forest. Ride with extreme care. R 55 @ SS (T-intersection). There's a little country store at the turn where we can re-group and decide what we want to do next. Two options: 1. Take 55 into Front Royal and then I-66 back home, or 2. Take 55 into Front Royal and then the roads that wind along the Shenandoah River to Route 7 and then up and over Mount Weather (601) to Route 50. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:36:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEa6806226 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.86]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25398 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975E846.D2B88F09@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:41:26 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Paging Dave Cross Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave, Can you drop me an email directly? I have some friends who are thinking about getting a new VFR for two-up riding. They wanted to see (and hopefully sit on) one that's set up with the Corbin seat/backrest like your's. Any chance I can hook you guys up for a demo of some sorts? Thanx! Chuck From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:39:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEdL806256 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:39:15 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DFD@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Chuck Pena'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Saturday ride - route Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:31:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I would be up for lunch somewhere afterwards, parhaps Magpies in Middleburg. We can decide en route. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [SMTP:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:33 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Saturday ride - route > > Everyone, > > Below is the proposed ride route for the Saturday ride that I am > leading, starting at the Sheetz in Haymarket at the intersection of 55 > and 15 at 9:00am. It should offer enough variety (and challenge) to > keep everyone happy. I would stronly suggest that everyone doing this > ride print this out and bring it with you on Saturday. I can also send > it to you as a MS Word document if you email me directly and request > such. I would also appreciate RSVPs so that I have some idea of how > many people might show up to ride. Also, please indicate if you plan to > ride in the "spirited" vs. "relaxed" group. Thanx! > > And just to (again) review the ride "rules" (sorry for the lecture, but > given past events I feel compelled to say this): > > 1. Make sure your m/c is in good running/mechanical condition. > 2. Make sure your tires aren't ratty and in need of replacement. > 3. Make sure your m/c is legal (i.e., inspected and tagged properly). > 4. Helmet (this should be a no brainer) - even if you don't believe in > helmet laws! %^) > 5. Reasonable "safety" gear - i.e., at least jeans and a > riding-specific jacket -- a 'Stich or similar suit or full leathers are > even better, boots, gloves, etc. > 6. If we have a lot of people, we will need to further subdivide the > group into more "manageable" sub-groups (probably not more than 6 riders > each). > 7. Everyone should ride at their own pace and comfort/ability level. > It's not a race and there are no prizes for being firstest or fastest. > 8. If you want to pass other riders, do it on the straights and make it > a clean pass (i.e., no buzzing people). Absolutely no passing or > stuffing people in the corners (save it for the track). > 9. Use discretion and good judgement when passing cars/trucks, > especially if other riders are going to try and follow you on the pass. > 10. We will wait and re-group at appropriate spots. > 11. As a general rule, when the road is double-lane (or more) ride in a > staggered formation. But on single lane roads ride single file. There > will be, of course, exceptions to this. Hand signals from the ride > leader/rider in front of you: 1 finger up in the air means to ride > single file, 2 fingers up in the air means to ride staggered formation. > 12. If you want to ride faster than the lead rider/ride leader (i.e., > me), that's cool. Absolutely no problem whatsoever. Some people say I > ride "fast", but I know there will be people who come out who are > better/faster riders than me. I don't want to hold anyone back from > riding their "pace". Just be prepared to wait for everyone else at > appropriate places (e.g., turns) or get lost (and have no one come > looking for you). > > Cheers, > Chuck, aka Skittles > > P.S. There will be a special sub-group for red Honda VFR/VTR riders! > %^) > > FROM SHEETZ @ INTERSECTION OF 55 AND 15: > > L onto 55 > S through traffic light X 15 > L Blantyre Rd./628 > L Winchester Rd./7 @ SS (T-intersection) - Stay on 17 into Warrenton > where Winchester Rd. becomes Broadview Ave. > R Frost Ave./211 @ TL > R Van Roijen St. > L Waterloo Rd./678 - We will stay on this road (changes names and route > numbers along the way) until it ends > L Crest Hill Rd./647 @ SS (T-intersection) - We will stay on this road > until it ends in Flint Hill (a good place to re-group) > L 522 @ SS (T-intersection) > R 211 @ SS (T-intersection) - We will stay on 211 through Sperryville, > up and over Thornton Gap (twisties), through Luray, up and over ??? Gap > (more twisties), and into New Market > R 11 north @ TL (T-intersection) in New Market (we can stop for gas in > New Market, unless we've already stopped for gas in Luray) > R Red Banks Rd. in Mount Jackson - I'VE NEVER BEEN ON THIS ROAD SO THIS > PART OF THE RIDE WILL BE AN ADVENTURE. > R 11 north > R 675 in Edinburg - We stay on this road up and over Edinburg Gap (more > twisties, some kind of tight) until it ends > L 678 @ SS (T-intersection) - We stay on 678 (more twisties, but > sweeping) until it ends. WARNING: There may be gravel on the road > through the section that's in the National Forest. Ride with extreme > care. > R 55 @ SS (T-intersection). There's a little country store at the turn > where we can re-group and decide what we want to do next. Two options: > > 1. Take 55 into Front Royal and then I-66 back home, or > 2. Take 55 into Front Royal and then the roads that wind along the > Shenandoah River to Route 7 and then up and over Mount Weather (601) to > Route 50. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:41:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEfX806269 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.86]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20202; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975E98D.A4AD7F86@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:46:53 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kitchell CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride - route References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062DFD@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What a wimp! Real men don't eat lunch. They just ride ... like the wind! %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I would be up for lunch somewhere afterwards, parhaps Magpies in Middleburg. > We can decide en route. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:45:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEjC806412 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6JEj5m00277 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JEjG431266; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:45:16 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: , Subject: RE: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:41:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bff18f$786a1a20$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <85256921.0042FB5D.00@d54mta03.raleigh.ibm.com> I'd say about the same. I passed two other bikes today, but I went in late this morning. I sweated off 5 pounds in my rainsuit because of the dark clouds, so course this means the rain didn't start until after I got here, :| Always works that way. Cedric Okay, so today is the thrid Wednesday of July, that makes it national ride your bike to work day. Felt the same as yesterday coming to work. Any of you see more bikes than usual today? Oh, I did see one bike besides mine in the lot this morning so there's two of us riders for a day at least................ Regards, Tom Knapik EAGLE Architect E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:47:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JEl7806422 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Jul 19 07:50:19 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <357879KC>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:49:16 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5763@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Chuck Pena'" , Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Saturday ride - route Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:45:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Depending on where you eat lunch (and what you eat) you can even pass the wind... -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:47 PM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride - route What a wimp! Real men don't eat lunch. They just ride ... like the wind! %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I would be up for lunch somewhere afterwards, parhaps Magpies in Middleburg. > We can decide en route. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:52:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEqZ806521 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.86]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13856; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975EC22.4AE4E7AC@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:57:54 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: Mark Kitchell , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride - route References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5763@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this something like having a turbocharger or nitrous? %^) "Coleman, Perry" wrote: > > Depending on where you eat lunch (and what you eat) you can even pass the > wind... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:54:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (www2.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEsE806531 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13EvEM-0003zd-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:53:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Nite 3... In-Reply-To: <39751558.79D8E55A@patriot.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Bike Nite 3 was a good thing. Keep up the good work guys. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:56:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEui806554 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JEvX404455 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:57:33 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Saturday ride - route Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:54:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bff191$2f872080$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5763@md-exchange1.nai.com> Unless someone's smoking, then there could be a problem... :0 Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > " Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." Subject: RE: Saturday ride - route Depending on where you eat lunch (and what you eat) you can even pass the wind... -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:47 PM To: Mark Kitchell Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday ride - route What a wimp! Real men don't eat lunch. They just ride ... like the wind! %^) Mark Kitchell wrote: > > I would be up for lunch somewhere afterwards, parhaps Magpies in Middleburg. > We can decide en route. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 10:57:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from vitalspring.com (vitalspring.com [64.14.121.100]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JEvP806628 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Chris (hostout.avatechsolutions.com [216.140.211.20]) by vitalspring.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21209; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Chris Weaver" To: "Bill Huson" , Subject: RE: Bike Nite 3... Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:56:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <39751558.79D8E55A@patriot.net> Importance: Normal Yeah, the number of one-off, exotic and oddity bikes was impressive. The ones I remember were: Husaberg Supermoto conversion - looked like a hoot to ride. Very trick, too - owner must have a big funnel to pour money into it. Honda RC30 - Immaculate. Wiped drool off of face. Marchesini wheels (IIRC). Owner also selling a VFR400R that Brian thinks he might buy. Honda Hurricane(?) Streetfighter - Nice conversion. All black. Ducati 907ie - Was at Bike Night 1 also. -ALSO- Lots of custom-painted and modified R1s - Some looked good, some a bit er... iffy. Honda Hawk 650 - Cherry! Only 3500 miles on the odometer. Gimmegimmegimme. Probably a bunch more neat bikes I haven't even mentioned, as well as a lot of more beautiful (but more common) bikes. Cheers, Chris Weaver '98 VTR 1000 -----Original Message----- From: Bill Huson [mailto:bhuson@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 10:41 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Nite 3... A raving success! I think Mark K was keeping count, maybe 80-100 bikes? A few vintage machines, sportbikes, cruisers, at least on barely legal off-road bike, and a few that looked like race bikes with borrowed tags :-) Lotta cool bikes, and a lotta *hot* babes! I was a happy guy... Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 11:07:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JF73806974 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-22.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.86]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16223; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3975EF83.8DC60BBA@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:12:19 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris.weaver@XXXXXX CC: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Nite 3... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Weaver wrote : > > Probably a bunch more neat bikes I haven't even mentioned, as well as a lot > of more beautiful (but more common) bikes. Like friggin' red Hondas! %^) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 11:45:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JFjf807578 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA17723; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:45:16 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017050; Wed, 19 Jul 00 11:44:55 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXY00FLBBUKDY@XXXXXX>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256921.00569FE4 ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:46:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:41:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Helmets. To: Bob Meyer Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256921.00566DE4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Amazing how things change. My parents are smokers, and I remember as a child sitting in the smoking section of airplanes, with people right next to me smoking. The haze got so bad I couldn't see to the front of the plane. I couldn't imagine enduring that now. --chris Bob Meyer on 07/18/2000 01:12:17 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Helmets. At 12:14 PM 7/18/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: >OK... cynical rant done - but do you see the point? You don't have to go to a >bar where people smoke. You or some bar owner sould start a bar that is >specifically non-smoking if *significant market demand exists to sustain such >a business*. Umm, but prior to government action, if you wanted to go to a resturant or bar, you had pretty much no choice but to put up with cigarette smoke. Not because the majority of customers smoked, but because 2 or 3 (or even 1) smokers can muck up the air pretty fast. So the truth is that unless I wanted to stay home, I *did* have to go to a bar where people smoke. You can make the argument that most non-smokers must not car all that much, but the argument that I had a choice is bogus. ITW, Bob Meyer '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 ===================================================== People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 13:11:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aloe.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JHBd808929 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id NAA11653; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:04:49 -0400 From: Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.26.104.82) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma007552; Wed, 19 Jul 00 13:01:42 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FXY00JGFFQZLC@XXXXXX>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256921.005E23CF ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:08:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:14:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City To: Kathleen Loerich Cc: Genna Melamed , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256921.004E447C.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL Uh, it limits their revenue generation? Those beach cities won't let you get away with a free ride (or park) ... --chris Kathleen Loerich on 07/17/2000 06:08:54 PM To: Genna Melamed dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City bike limit. I was mostly curious about what difficulties the two bike limit causes for folks in Ocean City, Baltimore, or anywhere in the state for that matter. Kathleen Loerich ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 13:24:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JHOs809189 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E03@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Hell Angeles from Washingtonpost.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:16:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Here is a chat with a member who has written an interesting sounding book: http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/00/barger0719.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 13:25:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from min.net (min.net [208.222.210.19]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JHPD809202 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by min.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16522; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Morris Berman To: Devon_Weide@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Roads around Silver Spring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's not much close in, but coming out toward Olney there's a bit... Layhill, past Aspen Hill, Ednor, Old Baltimore, Randolph between Rock Creek Park and Vier Mill, Beach Drive. come out beyond Olney and there's a bunch off of 108, 97 and 650 as you head towards Howard county. Unfortunately the close-in ones are short, have traffic and cops can often be found on them. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 Devon_Weide@XXXXXX wrote: > I live in Silver Spring and I need some roads that are fun. I know a bunch > of backroads in Anne Arundel county if anybody is interested. I hate > having to ride 495 to 50 to get out there though. I know I should look at > a map (duh), but I am also looking for roads that are bike friendly (i.e. > not full of cops). So please let me know of roads to avoid as well. > Thanks > > -Devon > '95 F3 > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 13:33:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web903.mail.yahoo.com (web903.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JHX9809369 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14566 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jul 2000 17:33:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000719173302.14565.qmail@web903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.23] by web903.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:33:02 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MC parking at 11th & E St. NW? To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, List-dc cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I went down that way to walk around today. What a horrible place. The building on the east side of 11th north of E St. is getting a complete renovation, so there is lots of construction around. I didn't see any motorcycles parked within 2 blocks of that corner. My best guess for parking near there would be at the end of an end-of-block parking space between the car in the space and the no-parking-here-to-corner sign. There might be some places to park at the end of Pennsylvania Ave where it's blocked off for the White House beyond 14th ST. I'm pretty sure there's some of that at the end of New York Ave where it's also blocked off in the 15th St area. Other than that, it would be back to the list of parking spaces in DC. Leon. --- Chris Norloff wrote: > Hi, anybody know of motorcycle parking near 11th and > E St. NW? > > thanks, > Chris Norloff > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 13:41:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cpiserv2.uu.net (mail.publicintegrity.org [63.72.70.130]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JHf0809462 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.publicintegrity.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3C8SNZZ0>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: eschelzig@XXXXXX To: Mkitchell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Hell Angeles from Washingtonpost.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:40:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Barger is more than "a member" of the Hell's Angels, he has been the public face of the gang since the 1960s or even earlier. Before Hunter Thompson went off the deep end (don't get me wrong, I still love his stuff), he wrote a fantastic account (in 1965?) of the Hell's Angels, in a book appropriately titled "Hell's Angels : A Strange and Terrible Saga." While Barger's book (which I haven't read, and thus free to comment on without reservation), might have some interesting aspects, autobiographies of controversial figures often whitewash facts dug up by others. Anyway, just my $.02, Erik -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 1:17 PM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Hell Angeles from Washingtonpost.com Here is a chat with a member who has written an interesting sounding book: http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/00/barger0719.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 14:09:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3605.mail.yahoo.com (web3605.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.109]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JI91809993 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719180849.27248.qmail@web3605.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3605.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:08:49 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:08:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Night 3 - Thanx everyone! To: Chuck Pena , dysart@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No, no, no, I was the guy riding without a helmet AND no eye protection, smoking, farting, spilling my beer on other people while holding the beer in my mouth at the same time riding on the handlebars backwards. ;-) My suggestion would be to talk to the people who manage the shopping center for the parking spots. Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Glenn, > > I agree. Will talk to Kevin Grevey today. But I'm > pretty sure they > have no control over the parking lot situation, > however. You were the > guy riding without a helmet, smoking, with a beer > balanced on your gas > tank, right??? %^) > > Chuck > > Glenn Dysart wrote: > > > > My only suggestion is *maybe* you could get the > > management to cone off the first ten or fifteen > > parking spots so that most people can park > together. > > Other then that I think it was great. > > > > Glenn > > > > --- "Charles V. Pena" > wrote: > > > Just a quick note to say "Thanx!" to everyone > who > > > made it to Bike Night > > > 3 at Grevey's. According to my partner in crime > > > (Mark Kitchell), we had > > > 80+ m/c's! Not bad for a "school night". And > our > > > biggest turn out so > > > far. You guys rock! It was great seeing > everyone > > > and meeting new > > > folks, but I know I didn't get a chance to say > "Hi!" > > > or meet everyone > > > there. Hope to meet the folks I didn't get a > chance > > > to talk to the next > > > time. Speaking of which, we'll keep you posted > > > about the next Bike > > > Night (4). > > > > > > Any feedback about all the Bike Nights is > > > appreciated. Location? Day > > > of the week? Time? What did you like (or > didn't)? > > > What would you like > > > to see that we didn't do? Mark and I aren't > getting > > > rich doing this > > > %^), but we want to do our best to make it a fun > > > event for everyone. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > > > -- > > > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo > Banzai > > > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 14:23:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JIN2810236 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000719182250.23690.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:22:50 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:22:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Nite 3... To: Chuck Pena , chris.weaver@XXXXXX Cc: Bill Huson , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's why I left my red Honda at home and brought the black one!!! Glenn --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Chris Weaver wrote : > > > > Probably a bunch more neat bikes I haven't even > mentioned, as well as a lot > > of more beautiful (but more common) bikes. > > Like friggin' red Hondas! %^) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 14:38:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JIcR810502 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FXY004BUJRUD6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R32P9V>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:38:32 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:38:14 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Gathering spots for NoVA sport riders... To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99D9@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" All, Great job with Bike Night 3, I stopped by Grevy's last night and was shocked (in a good way) by the turn out. I'm wondering when the next "gathering" will be held, or local "hang-outs" in Northern Virginia for sport riders. (Not that I've got a problem with any rider, but you know -- birds of a feather...) I've seen the web site for DC Sport Riders, but traveling into DC to get together isn't exactly my idea of fun. I'm hoping to find a few groups, places to people meet/congregate/hang out at The nights and times would be helpful also. Thanks for the input, -Calvin Ledford, Reston VA '00VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 14:44:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JIih810620 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:44:38 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E08@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Restaurant in Front Royal Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:36:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Does anyone know of a restaurant in Front Royal that could accommodate a group ride? Not fast food, maybe a diner? Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 14:51:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JIpc810776 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (chf-il4-107.ix.netcom.com [207.220.186.107]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA16714; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39762423.A01C22BE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:56:51 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ledford, Calvin" CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Gathering spots for NoVA sport riders... References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99D9@resie03.ie.cw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Calvin, Mark Kitchell (aka Crash) and I are working on the next Bike Night, as we speak. All we know right now is that it will be in August. Location TBD -- we are checking into some different places just to mix things up a little, but can always go back to either CarPool or Grevey's. The actual day and time will largely be a function of the schedule of the hosting establishment. I don't know of any "regular" hangouts for motorcycle riders in general or sportbike riders in particular. Maybe someone on the list wants to get this started??? FWIW, my local hangout is The Java Shack, a coffeehouse in Arlington on Franklin St. just off Wilson Blvd. Not a m/c place per se. But I'm very good friends with the owner and he gets a kick out all the m/c's and riders when I start one of my weekend rides from there. Maybe if you have a hangout that you like, you can get "birds of a feather" to begin to flock there! %^) Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck "Ledford, Calvin" wrote: > > All, > > Great job with Bike Night 3, I stopped by Grevy's last night and was shocked > (in a good way) by the turn out. > > I'm wondering when the next "gathering" will be held, or local "hang-outs" > in Northern Virginia for sport riders. (Not that I've got a problem with any > rider, but you know -- birds of a feather...) > > I've seen the web site for DC Sport Riders, but traveling into DC to get > together isn't exactly my idea of fun. I'm hoping to find a few groups, > places to people meet/congregate/hang out at The nights and times would be > helpful also. > > Thanks for the input, > > -Calvin Ledford, Reston VA > '00VFR800FI From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 15:05:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JJ58811010 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Jul 19 12:08:14 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3581AGS8>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:10:41 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5766@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Mark Kitchell'" Cc: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Restaurant in Front Royal Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:03:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mark, I like the "Royal Dairy" which is sort of "downtown", right off Rt340 at an intersection with a cross street and a 45-degree street. A gas station/convenience store is in the triangle with 340 and the angle street and the restaurant is on the corner of the cross street and the angle street. This is down near "old town" not up on the commercial strip near Rt 66. \ | \ g|3 Towards Skyline Drive x\ |4 ^ -------|0 v | Towards 522/66 "g" is the gas station (Shell?) and "x" is the restaurant. Regards, Perry -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 2:37 PM To: 'DC Cycles' Subject: Restaurant in Front Royal Does anyone know of a restaurant in Front Royal that could accommodate a group ride? Not fast food, maybe a diner? Mark From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 15:20:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JJKF811269 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6JJJ9O09447; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:19:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3975FD7D.70D2ED4A@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:11:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: Kathleen Loerich , Genna Melamed , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City References: <85256921.004E447C.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simple solution - OUTER BANKS NC - No parking meters that I recall, no parking probs, fair surf, decent fishing, and BREW THRU! And you can go SQUIDLY off the bike - bare feet and bare chest. Well, some of us can go bare chested. Some will have to wait until the sand is underfoot. Won't catch me on a yankee beach city, or VA beach, unless I had to got there to pick up lottery winnings. Bill christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Uh, it limits their revenue generation? Those beach cities won't let you get > away with a free ride (or park) ... > > --chris > > Kathleen Loerich on 07/17/2000 06:08:54 PM > > To: Genna Melamed > dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > Subject: Re: Parking in Ocean City > > bike limit. I was mostly curious about what difficulties the two bike limit > causes for folks in Ocean City, Baltimore, or anywhere in the state for that > matter. > > Kathleen Loerich > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 15:24:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JJOk811297 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6JJOaO10263; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3975FEC5.31F2AB71@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:17:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Coleman, Perry" CC: "DC Cycles (E-mail)" , "'Mark Kitchell'" Subject: Re: Thanks for making Bike Night 3 References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5762@md-exchange1.nai.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This could be true about wind resistance. Back in `60 sumpin, Studebaker shocked the Big Three with the Avanti, a small block supercharged V-8 coupe that smashed a gazillion speed records for a production car. Body design by Raymond Loery, not an engineer, an artist. GM ordered their troops to stick an Avanti in the wind tnnel at the GM test center and *improve * it. A few weeks later the highly trianed engineers reported that the ONLY improvesment they could find to reduce wind resistance was to remove the mirrors. I believe this now antique Avanti still holds a few records. Bill Coleman, Perry wrote: > Mark, > > I guess they remove them to reduce wind resistance. Otherwise, how could > they ride at 180mph? Either that, or because it looks cool? ;^) > > Regards, > > Perry > > From: Mark Kitchell [mailto:Mkitchell@XXXXXX] > > > Question? Whats with all the R1s without any mirrors? > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 15:26:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JJQh811318 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13EzTt-0004Q1-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:26:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:26:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike nights queston In-Reply-To: <39762423.A01C22BE@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Mark and Chuck I was wondering how the folks at Carpool and Greevy's felt about the bike nights. Where they pleased with the turnout? What sort of feedback have you gotten from them? Would Carpool be willing to change its name ;)? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 15:28:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JJSF811403 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6JJS9O10792; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3975FF9A.13CDDC6C@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:20:58 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: Bob Meyer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Helmets. References: <85256921.00566DE4.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Big airpalne maintenence prob back in them days was instrument replacement. The ciggie tar would gum them up. Bill christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Amazing how things change. > > My parents are smokers, and I remember as a child sitting in the smoking section > of airplanes, with people right next to me smoking. The haze got so bad I > couldn't see to the front of the plane. I couldn't imagine enduring that now. > > --chris > > Bob Meyer on 07/18/2000 01:12:17 PM > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > Subject: Re: Helmets. > > At 12:14 PM 7/18/00 EDT, BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > >OK... cynical rant done - but do you see the point? You don't have to go > to a > >bar where people smoke. You or some bar owner sould start a bar that is > >specifically non-smoking if *significant market demand exists to sustain > such > >a business*. > > Umm, but prior to government action, if you wanted to go to a resturant or > bar, you had pretty much no choice but to put up with cigarette smoke. Not > because the majority of customers smoked, but because 2 or 3 (or even 1) > smokers can muck up the air pretty fast. So the truth is that unless I > wanted to stay home, I *did* have to go to a bar where people smoke. > > You can make the argument that most non-smokers must not car all that much, > but the argument that I had a choice is bogus. > > ITW, > Bob Meyer > '92 ST1100 (Red STag), STOC #1157 > ===================================================== > People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, > because it's safer to pick on rich women than biker gangs. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which > it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any > review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action > in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the > intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 15:34:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JJYq811507 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:34:47 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E0C@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'Hugh Caldwell'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike nights queston Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:26:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain I know that Carpool has been quite pleased and are interested in another one. We do increase their regular Sunday afternoon business. Unfortunately, Tuesday nights are packed for them, so that may not be an option there. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Hugh Caldwell [SMTP:twg@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 3:27 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Bike nights queston > > > Hey Mark and Chuck I was wondering how the folks > at Carpool and Greevy's felt about the bike nights. Where > they pleased with the turnout? What sort of feedback have > you gotten from them? Would Carpool be willing to change its > name ;)? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 15:48:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JJmd811740 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.83]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12877; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39763187.44EA3231@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:53:59 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hugh Caldwell CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike nights queston References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hugh, CarPool was extremely happy with both Bike Nights and definitely wants us to come back. Mark and I will meet with them probably within the next week or so. I've not yet heard back from Grevey's, but would have a hard time understanding how they couldn't be happy with last night's turnout. As soon as I talk to Kevin, I'll let y'all know what they thought. Cheers, Chuck Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Hey Mark and Chuck I was wondering how the folks > at Carpool and Greevy's felt about the bike nights. Where > they pleased with the turnout? What sort of feedback have > you gotten from them? Would Carpool be willing to change its > name ;)? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 16:33:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JKXT812488 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va12-19.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.83]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22373; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39763C0B.98D973D5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:38:52 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Laura Granato Subject: Lunch stop for Saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Perry Coleman for making this suggestion/recommendation (i.e., if you don't like it, blame him!) We will stop for lunch on the Saturday ride in Front Royal at the Royal Dairy on Chester St. Hopefully, they will be able to accommodate however large a group we have. This is where the "spirited" riders will wait and re-group with the "relaxed" riders. Directions to the Royal Dairy from the last point given on the previous ride route: Take 55 to Front Royal Right on 340 (i.e., going south) - I'm pretty sure this is a T-intersection At this point, I think 340 is also Shenandoah Rd. - follow this across the river into Front Royal Left on 14th St. (I think this is still technically 340) Right on Royal Ave. (this also may still techncially be 340) Angled left onto Chester St. where 3rd St. also crosses Royal Ave. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 17:07:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6JL7s813500 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Wed Jul 19 14:10:42 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <3581AMC1>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:00:22 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF576D@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: "'Chuck Pena'" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Lunch stop for Saturday ride Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:52:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, the diner should be on the right as you head down Rt 340, from Rt 55. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 7:39 PM To: DC Cycles Cc: Laura Granato Subject: Lunch stop for Saturday ride Thanks to Perry Coleman for making this suggestion/recommendation (i.e., if you don't like it, blame him!) We will stop for lunch on the Saturday ride in Front Royal at the Royal Dairy on Chester St. Hopefully, they will be able to accommodate however large a group we have. This is where the "spirited" riders will wait and re-group with the "relaxed" riders. Directions to the Royal Dairy from the last point given on the previous ride route: Take 55 to Front Royal Right on 340 (i.e., going south) - I'm pretty sure this is a T-intersection At this point, I think 340 is also Shenandoah Rd. - follow this across the river into Front Royal Left on 14th St. (I think this is still technically 340) Right on Royal Ave. (this also may still techncially be 340) Angled left onto Chester St. where 3rd St. also crosses Royal Ave. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 17:50:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JLo6814339 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27552; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397622C4.DA90E4FF@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:51:01 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huson , "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Thanks for making Bike Night 3 References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5762@md-exchange1.nai.com> <3975FEC5.31F2AB71@patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Huson wrote: > This could be true about wind resistance. Back in `60 sumpin, Studebaker > shocked the Big Three with the Avanti, a small block supercharged V-8 coupe > that smashed a gazillion speed records for a production car. Body design > by Raymond Loery, not an engineer, an artist. GM ordered their troops to > stick an Avanti in the wind tnnel at the GM test center and *improve * it. > A few weeks later the highly trianed engineers reported that the ONLY > improvesment they could find to reduce wind resistance was to remove the > mirrors. I believe this now antique Avanti still holds a few records. > > Bill > Bill, There's one in silver in the parking garage below my office. Pretty car, but a PITA fer sure. The thing's got an oil leak, to do an 'ol Harley it's due. I wish the owner would park in the same spot each day, I've got to look out for it's droppings when I ride the Katana in. Which I did today, BTW. Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 17:53:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gigi.excite.com ([199.172.152.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JLrk814361 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spike.excite.com ([199.172.152.97]) by gigi.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000719215324.ESYN316.gigi.excite.com@XXXXXX> for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:53:24 -0700 Message-ID: <17950992.964043603986.JavaMail.imail@spike.excite.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:53:23 -0700 (PDT) From: James Hoofnagle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Bike Nite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 207.172.7.13 Thanks again Chuck & Mark! Yet another fine job. Maybe next time we can bring some traffic cones to usurp parking out front. Who had the red '95 GPz? __________ They can't hit you, if they can't catch you! James '96 GPz1100 E-TKT _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 17:59:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JLxc814469 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05894 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.wch.adelphia.net (alpha.wch.adelphia.net [24.48.14.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28528 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gwf (surf15-108.wch.adelphia.net [216.174.23.108]) by alpha.wch.adelphia.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA06083 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:59:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gary Foreman" To: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Lunch stop for Saturday ride Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:59:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF576D@md-exchange1.nai.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal I'll tell you this about the Dairy. I went there about a week ago. Sat there for 15 minutes and no one even came to take our drink orders. Busy right? NOT. There was only 5 other people there. The place was dirty and hot. We finally just left. We used to love this place, but it's gone downhill. Sorry for the sour note, but I thought I owed it to my fellow riders to let you know. Gary From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 18:17:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JMHl814824 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6JMHim22588 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22207 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04b301bff1cf$ad734440$be10c897@bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas_Zell" To: References: <4.1.20000719082408.009f06b0@intertv.com> Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:21:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I rode today... if anyone can believe that! I even got caught in the rain (and didn't even mind). Ahhh... it's been so long. Tom '86 VFR750 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannette Zell" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 8:25 AM Subject: Ride to Work Day > I rode to work today, but didn't see many bikes at all. Of course, I got > in early, around 7:45a.m., so maybe everyone was still asleep! LOL > I woke up EXTRA early - lucky me - the dog puked in the bed. yay ugh. way > to start the morning... > : ( > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > > At 08:11 AM 7/19/00 -0400, knapik@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > >Okay, so today is the thrid Wednesday of July, that makes it national ride > >your bike to work day. Felt the same as yesterday coming to work. Any of > >you see more bikes than usual today? Oh, I did see one bike besides mine > >in the lot this morning so there's two of us riders for a day at > >least................ > > > >Regards, > >Tom Knapik > >EAGLE Architect > >E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX > >Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 18:41:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JMfY815249 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-173.patriot.net [209.249.180.173]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6JMdUO06530; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:39:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39762C73.9DD286A0@patriot.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:32:19 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" CC: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Re: Thanks for making Bike Night 3 References: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5762@md-exchange1.nai.com> <3975FEC5.31F2AB71@patriot.net> <397622C4.DA90E4FF@peabody.jhu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven C. Di Pietro wrote: > Bill, > There's one in silver in the parking garage below my office. Pretty > car, but a PITA fer sure. The thing's got an oil leak, to do an 'ol Harley it's > due. I wish the owner would park in the same spot each day, I've got to look > out for it's droppings when I ride the Katana in. Which I did today, BTW. An Avanti, or an Avanti II? The Avanti II had a Chevy engine, sad piece of junk. The hood line had to be raised 2" to fit the Chevy mill in, thus producing a slower car, even with the big block GM. But both were leakers. At the moment my harley doesn't leak a drop, but stay tuned... :-) Bill From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 19:16:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JNGW815979 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-246-26.s534.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.26] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13F34n-0003oH-00; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:16:29 -0400 Message-ID: <015401bff1d7$db82ac60$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: "bryan main" , References: <20000719131150.20642.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: windshield height was Bike parking Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:19:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 OR is the key word here. eye protection OR windscreen. k.loerich ----- Original Message ----- From: bryan main To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 09:11 Subject: windshield height was Bike parking > > (1) He is wearing an eye-protective device of a type approved by the > > Administrator; or > > (2) The motorcycle is equipped with a windscreen. " > > > This leaves a lot open to interpretation of the officer - few would > > argue that a sport bikes windshield actually offers eye protection. > > I was told when I took the MSF course last year that the height of the > windshield only needed to be 7 inches high and you didn't need glasses. > now that's what she said and i'm hopeing she would know. > > Bryan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 19:30:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JNUZ816246 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.20.141] ([168.191.20.141]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20254 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:30:18 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:18:39 -0400 Subject: sweat or bleed From: Marcy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200005192300.e4JN01I26202@dirty.meretrix.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know I unsubscribed .... but I want to say one thing on the topic below from May ... I recently had a lovely accident where I hit a car making an illegal left in front of me in an intersection (no time to stop) ... flew over said car, did a flip and landed right on the crown of my head. I then stood up and walked over to the sidewalk (once a nice pedestrian came and pulled my dazed self out of the street). Ambulance came, strapped me down to a board so I couldn't move, x-rayed full neck and back, and ....nothing! No breaks, fractures or even bruises on my head or body. Not even a broken fingernail. (well, ok I had one bruise on my thigh).... the only thing wrong was 1 sprained thumb and 1 fractured middle finger. and of course a 5 day concussion and LOTS and LOTS of neck and back pain .... I was wearing a helmet, perfed leather jacket, jeans, fingerless gloves and boots.... WEAR YOUR GEAR GUYS!!! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcy '89 CB-1 (totalled) :( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX (The dc-cycles list administrator) > Reply-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:00:01 -0400 (EDT) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: dc-cycles digest for 05/19/00 > > Marcy wrote: >> >> I keep trying to remember the tale of the dude whose face was >> basically scraped off ....... >> >> a guess a little discomfort is worth my life after all .... > > Marcy, > > When I get that squidly feeling (it happens on occasion) > I ask myself whether which I'd rather do: Sweat or Bleed? > > Sweat wins everytime. :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia, USA, Earth From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 19:33:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6JNXl816266 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.50.856025b (5726); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:30:53 -0400 (EDT) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Message-ID: <50.856025b.26a7942d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:30:53 EDT Subject: **HD FOR SALE** To: Needlsnpin@XXXXXX, Crowbar446@XXXXXX, TOWISH@XXXXXX, LittleWW@XXXXXX, Cynthia.M.Collins.1@XXXXXX, rosie@XXXXXX, vitaman@XXXXXX, Chopprdq@XXXXXX, Bbmargie@XXXXXX, ARMOR1955@XXXXXX, rwickman@XXXXXX, ADonne2346@XXXXXX, bob.graham@XXXXXX, HAWG4HIRE@XXXXXX, randy@XXXXXX, daultman@XXXXXX, HarleymanJ@XXXXXX, ADONSNY@XXXXXX, CherEcoke1@XXXXXX, Waltrich1@XXXXXX, AdjusterR@XXXXXX, RRumbleBee@XXXXXX, Jay4dee@XXXXXX, DCMartin@XXXXXX, DMITCH7979@XXXXXX, HAWGHeaven@XXXXXX, Chopprluvr@XXXXXX, Gawthrop@XXXXXX, phil@XXXXXX, pkingley@XXXXXX, sandra.smith@XXXXXX, Fallingnow@XXXXXX, MDrey1998@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 ANYONE INTERESTED IN A SWEET HD, GIVE MARK A SHOUT! HE'S UPGRADING BIKES AND READY TO SELL! Subj: Re: You have a posty! Date: 7/18/00 5:19:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: M45special To: LilBkrBabe lee,here some info on my bike 1993 fxrsp ( lowrider sport ) last year they made them black with black polish wheels daul disc brakes with polished rotars anti-dive suspention screaming eagle kit lowered 2" harley polished shocks just had new performance pipes put on and dyno tuned at 68hp.with 75lbs.torg. asking 13,500. firm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jul 19 22:45:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@XXXXXX [24.2.2.66]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6K2jX819416 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cj117103a ([24.6.106.133]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000720024530.OVXO2546.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@cj117103a> for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:45:30 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bff1f4$de646960$856a0618@alex1.va.home.com> Reply-To: "James Reazor" From: "James Reazor" To: References: <3.0.3.32.20000718131217.007671c4@pop-server.cox.rr.com> Subject: Re: Helmets. Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:47:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 I hate to get involved in a thread that's so far off topic but... The fact of the matter is that you did have a choice. It just wasn't the choice you wanted. James > > You can make the argument that most non-smokers must not car all that much, > but the argument that I had a choice is bogus. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 02:00:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6K60Z822529 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000720060014.18388.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.21] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:00:14 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:00:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: Helmets. To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii C'mon Roach! You're just watchin' too much Jerry Springer! Too much of that stuff will make anybody cynical. Come to think of it, I've never been able to find a good corndog around these parts. ...and another thing...if the girl you're dating becomes your Wife...is she STILL you're Sister? -Corbett ;-) ps. Hey, I'm serious about the corndogs though. --- BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > Ugh... I HATE saying this....but > the undeniable truth is... > > Americans are stupid. > > The people on this list are not "The average > American". We're educated, well > employed, and seem to posess common sense. This has > ceased to be the norm in > these United States, and we get to suffer for it. > > Without some of these laws, the bulk of Americans > out there would not choose > as you do. As scary as that sounds, personal > experience keeps proving it to > me time and time again. > > ::sigh:: > - Roach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 02:10:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5203.mail.yahoo.com (web5203.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6K6AM823296 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000720061015.4330.qmail@web5203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.86.21] by web5203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:10:15 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. To: LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Okay Laura, are you going to organize a "Smoker's Ride" now? -jus' pok'n fun Corbett '99K1200RS --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > I know this is a motorcycle list and we should all > be discussing bikes, but I think that a little > discussion outside is fine. It helps us learn how > each other thinks, which potentially is a plus when > we will be on the streets with these people riding. > :-) Maybe we'll divide the next ride into smokers > and non-smokers, so the smokers can stop and take > more breaks than the non-smokers. lol. just > kidding! > > Laura > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 04:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6K8xW826324 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FCAl-0003JH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:59:15 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: insurance Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:05:06 GMT Message-ID: <3976e9bd.324304862@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> In-Reply-To: <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6K92s826325 I have my car and bike insured through state farm. on my car, I *must* have PIP ( personal injury protection ) maryland law. but I noticed.. that it wasnt' on my motorcycle.. and I asked about it, and they said they dont' offer it. Does anyone see the irony here? I MUST have personal injury protection in a car, which is safer for me, and that I less frequentley drive... yet on the more dangerous vehicle, I cannot get personal injury protection.. I guess it's not legally mandatory on bikes.. now why would they mandate that I NEED personal injury protection in a car.. but not on a bike? Does anyone see the problem here? Oppinions? Of course if it were mandatory on bikes, they might make it sky high? Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 05:12:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6K9Cn826569 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-246-26.s534.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.26] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FCNq-0007a7-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: <023501bff22b$0813e3e0$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: , References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> <3976e9bd.324304862@smtp.erols.com> Subject: Re: insurance Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:15:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 >now why would they mandate that I NEED personal injury protection in a >car.. but not on a bike? >Does anyone see the problem here? Oppinions? >Of course if it were mandatory on bikes, they might make it sky high? Some insurance companies offer a PIP option for motorcycles. However, state law does not mandate it. If the law did mandate PIP for motorcycles, since cars are not considered in the risk pool for calculating the cost on motorcycles and the motorcycle population is small compared to the car population, mandatory PIP could be cost prohibitive. In multiple vehicle accidents it is frequently the fault of the automobile driver and their insurance pays the costs. Its a different story in a single vehicle (motorcycle) accident. The motorcyclist must pay either through health insurance or self-pay for injuries incurred. Some insurance companies also provide 'guest' insurance for passengers. Don't assume that your passenger is covered unless you ask your agent and know for sure. Kathleen Loerich From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 05:20:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6K9Kb826723 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209-122-246-26.s534.tnt1.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.246.26] helo=twincam) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FCVP-00004e-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:20:36 -0400 Message-ID: <025e01bff22c$1fa12300$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> <3976e9bd.324304862@smtp.erols.com> <023501bff22b$0813e3e0$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> Subject: Re: insurance Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:23:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 When I asked the Maryland Insurance Administration about PIP coverage for motorcycles, this is the response I got. ---------------------------------------------------- Thank you for contacting this Administration. In the case of motorcycles, the insurer may exclude the economic loss benefits, or offer economic loss benefits with deductibles, options or specific exclusions. The minimum benefit level would be $2,500., but I am not sure what "options" may be filed by the companies. Hope this answers your questions. This is found under Annotated Code of Maryland 19-505 (c) (2). This is in the Insurance Section. Kerry Hannigan Insurance Investigator ----------------------------------------------- My understanding is that the minimum $2500 he mentioned is the optional amount that your insurance company may provide if they decide to provide PIP for motorcycles. k.loerich From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 06:39:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KAdc827819 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Gawthrop@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.46.852241c (4537) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Message-ID: <46.852241c.26a830e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:39:28 EDT Subject: Re: insurance issues To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Daniel's observation about the unavailability of PIP for motorcyclists is a valid one and a continuation of the illogic of mandatory safety devices under the umbrella of Bad Law Helmets and protective devices are good ideas. Having mandatory laws to protect person A from Person B is a category of law we call "good law." Having mandatory laws to protect person A from himself, regardless of the common sense issue involved, is crossing the line into "bad law". Before crossing the line into bad law, legislatures should push education rather than legislation. Otherwise, reliance on Bad Law becomes pervasive for a wide range of common sense issues. Discretion is endangered, personal responsibility dies, and civil and criminal law begin holding Person A responsible for Person B's mistakes. To pass Bad Law and then to fail to follow thru with a consistent policy (mandatory helmets, making available a usable list of safety devices [helmets) for the people to choose from , and providing appropriate insurance provisioning ) suggests an ill conceived social agenda. There is a danger here. Either the government will move to close those loop holes or they will continue with spotty regulation making the laws more confusing and vague. The ultimate questions are: "Do we recognize the incongruency in the legislation affecting Riders?" And, "Do we have to put up with it?" Bill Gawthrop Maryland From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 06:41:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KAfq827832 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-216.patriot.net [209.249.180.216]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6KAfiO25398; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:41:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3976D5B7.8A83371B@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:34:31 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> <3976e9bd.324304862@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmm... ??? I have State Farm on cars, boat, and M/C, and both operator and passenger(s) is covered . But then this is in Virginny, not MD. I don't consider it expensive, M/C package, full coverage, about 360/yr for the FLHS Harley. Possible insur advantage - me be old as dirt and have zip tickets Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > I have my car and bike insured through state farm. > > on my car, I *must* have PIP ( personal injury protection ) > maryland law. > > but I noticed.. that it wasnt' on my motorcycle.. and I asked about > it, and they said they dont' offer it. > > Does anyone see the irony here? I MUST have personal injury > protection in a car, which is safer for me, and that I less > frequentley drive... > > yet on the more dangerous vehicle, I cannot get personal injury > protection.. I guess it's not legally mandatory on bikes.. > > now why would they mandate that I NEED personal injury protection in a > car.. but not on a bike? > > Does anyone see the problem here? Oppinions? > > Of course if it were mandatory on bikes, they might make it sky high? > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 06:48:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KAm4827993 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FDs2-0006Fw-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:48:03 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Protest Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:53:54 GMT Message-ID: <39780102.330262667@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KAm6827994 On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:39:18 -0400, you wrote: |>Coupla thoughts re the protest ride supporting the MD "Rocket Rider" thing: It's my feeling that is the general goal.. to show just how ludacris the speed limit is, and how ludacris the rocket roundup is. How ludacris it is, to drive in a manner following the law. Sure it will be dangerous, but so is riding. We are hoping there will be cages to protect the bikes from tail gating. If traffic is backed up, then there will be a lot less aggressive driving, if there is no room to weave in and out of lanes by the cagers.. so in a way.. it might make the highway safer. |>vehicle but only steering it from one place to another. Thus, I believe |>your protest will only be an obstacle, not a message. |>But, god bless and good luck. Nothing beats failure except a try? maybe a constant obsticle will bring about change? Not likely? evil triumps when good men do nothing.. all that jazz.. if you have better ideas, by all means... i'm sure we'll support you. |>2. IMHO, this "Rocket Rider" project is a waste of resources and a |>publicity stunt. Sure it sounds great, "we're gonna stop those steenkin' Agreed, and i think that's another implication of the protest rideS. Maybe you can come out and and be a voice of reason in front of the cameras.. rather than some hooligan who says "police suck". |>a) Enforcing the speed limit in the right lane: where vehicles exit and agreed |>b) Pulling the LLBs out of the left lane. Sheese, give the speeders the |>left lane, then they're farther away from slower merging traffic (well, agreed |>c) enforce using turnsignals when changing lanes (courtesy and safety) agreed and no "instant lane changes with one blink of the signal" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 06:58:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KAwn828208 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FE2R-0007iG-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:58:48 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gathering spots for NoVA sport riders... Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:04:39 GMT Message-ID: <39790583.331416662@smtp.erols.com> References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99D9@resie03.ie.cw.net> <39762423.A01C22BE@ix.netcom.com> In-Reply-To: <39762423.A01C22BE@ix.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KAwq828209 DC (from va) isn't all that bad.. I mean to get to the popular spot for sportbikes.. after all you do like to RIDE dont' you? 495 to 295 to 50W into NY ave (and bladensburg road exxon) on a friday and saturday night around 9 to 11 p.m. you'll see a good 100 bikes, from MD, DC, and VA. 10% to 15% of them are affilliated with DCSR. You can talk to all the riders with VA tags, and make some affiliations. DCSR don't have their own little spot. They are basicly just the computer litterate of the popular spots. Oh and a few of the bikes a pretty damn beautiful :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 07:12:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KBCs828441 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FEG3-0001Z3-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:12:52 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Marcy Cc: Subject: Re: sweat or bleed Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:18:43 GMT Message-ID: <397a0741.331862307@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KBD0828442 Wow marcy! I'm glad you escaped that with so little injury! I accidentally started the helmet thread, but my point was, he was riding in the rain with half a helmet, but full rain suit. I've fallen off a sportbike ridng very slow, 5 to 15 mph, from a front end wash out... and I slid right on my chin bar and shield. you can't tell me the cruiser riders/ half helmet wearers won't have the same type of accident and dont' need full face helmets. I've always wondered about T boning a vehicle who fails to yeild the right of way.... I always kind of secretly hope I can jump up while the bike hits the cage, and I miraculously just end up being thrown over the cage, without any real impact, except to land on the ground. I worry that if i get into that type of accident that my legs, or thumbs will smash against the bars and be broken. For some reason, I want to avoid the ambulance ride, and the doctors. If I can get up, and my body is workng as it should, and I don't have excruciating pain, then I want to avoid all the hospital crap. If I have a hairline fracture somewhere, the bone heals itself anyway, i don't want a stinking cast , or surgery for a rod or plate.. The body heals itself, the doctors take all the credit. who said that, twain? my mother fell and had a slight chipping type of fracture of her wrist. The doctor told her to put a cast on it would be malpractice and he wanted to put a plate on the fracture. He did that.. then her hand swells up, and seems like it hasnt' stopped being swollen.. and for some reason, the doctor put a cast on her arm. I think he wanted to get paid for the surgery. What a quack. This was like over a month ago I think. Had it been left alone she'd probably be healed up by now. I tried to tell her not to get the cast or surgery. Oh well. Worse now than when she fell. tsk tsk. I once knew a ladyfriend who was told she needed a root canal... she never got it, and years later is fine. Of course she had insurance.. so the doctor would have gotten paid... it's a damn shame the quacker that goes on... what the mechanics do to the automobile unsavvy is what doctors are starting to do.. damn shame. Daniel. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 07:40:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3602.mail.yahoo.com (web3602.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.97]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KBeJ828828 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000720114011.18987.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3602.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:40:11 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:40:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. To: Corbett B , LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just be sure the ride includes riding WHILE smoking. Nothing sexier then a cigarette hanging out of your mouth while moving down the road!!! And wear your eye protection so the ashes won't fly back in your eyes! Glenn --- Corbett B wrote: > Okay Laura, are you going to organize a "Smoker's > Ride" now? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 07:51:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KBpj829052 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000720115142.14248.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:51:42 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, "Custer, Carl" Cc: "'DCCy'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The idea of people signaling well in advance is a great idea but around here reality is that when you put your turn signal on you'd better be prepared to move it ASAP. If you don't move it quick, more then half the time the person in the other lane will speed up and close the gap. It sux but people do it. Glenn --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > |>c) enforce using turnsignals when changing lanes > (courtesy and safety) > > agreed and no "instant lane changes with one blink > of the signal" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 08:12:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KCCr829355 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-216.patriot.net [209.249.180.216]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6KCCdO31633; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: <3976EB07.56FFE7B6@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:05:28 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Marcy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sweat or bleed References: <397a0741.331862307@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > Wow marcy! I'm glad you escaped that with so little injury! > Me too. > > II've always wondered about T boning a vehicle who fails to yeild the > right of way.... I always kind of secretly hope I can jump up while > the bike hits the cage, and I miraculously just end up being thrown > over the cage, without any real impact, except to land on the ground. > I worry that if i get into that type of accident that my legs, or > thumbs will smash against the bars and be broken. > Well, having been where Marcy was, if you have time to think and *jump*, you probably have time to avoid. Most M/C accidents occur in less than two seconds. Mine was less than 50' to impact, less than 1 1/2 seconds. Squeeze brakes and hang on. I tdid fly over the car, and I think my only before pavement injuries were my right hand, serious sprain since it had a death grip on the brake, and my left foot which hammered the geezer's car so hard a chip of the car paint was stamped into the boot toe. Helmet wrecked on impact with road, leather jacket abraded, road rash on knees even though the jeans were only scuffed, and a few bruises. Geezer cited for failure to yield. > For some reason, I want to avoid the ambulance ride, and the doctors. > If I can get up, and my body is workng as it should, and I don't have > excruciating pain, then I want to avoid all the hospital crap. If I > have a hairline fracture somewhere, the bone heals itself anyway, i > don't want a stinking cast , or surgery for a rod or plate.. > Take the ride and get fixed up proper. That's what insurance is for. Bill From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 08:15:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KCFG829434 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-216.patriot.net [209.249.180.216]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6KCFAO31894; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:15:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3976EB9D.2D5BD28E@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:07:57 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dysart@XXXXXX CC: Corbett B , LAURA GRANATO , DC Cycles Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000720114011.18987.qmail@web3602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nah, a ciggie ain't that sexy. A cigar maybe, and how about a pipe for the BMW pilots? That would fit in with the BMW image - Prof Scoot. Bill chopped windscreen to low for burning a smoke while riding Glenn Dysart wrote: > Just be sure the ride includes riding WHILE smoking. > Nothing sexier then a cigarette hanging out of your > mouth while moving down the road!!! And wear your eye > protection so the ashes won't fly back in your eyes! > > Glenn > > --- Corbett B wrote: > > Okay Laura, are you going to organize a "Smoker's > > Ride" now? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 08:38:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KCcX829754 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09518 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webshield2.nai.com (webshield2.nai.com [161.69.3.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13793 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge1.nai.com BY webshield2.nai.com ; Thu Jul 20 05:41:10 2000 -0700 Received: by na-ex-bridge1.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <35788FAY>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:40:06 -0700 Message-ID: <447A3F40A07FD211BA2700A0C99D759BDF5770@md-exchange1.nai.com> From: "Coleman, Perry" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Cc: "'Gary Foreman'" Subject: RE: Lunch stop for Saturday ride Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:36:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gary, Thanks for the update. I haven't been there since last year, so it's good to hear about your recent experience. Sorry it was a bad one... Maybe they've had a change of management, or just a general decline in service. In any case, I remove my "recommendation" for the time being... Perry -----Original Message----- From: Gary Foreman [mailto:fj1100@XXXXXX] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 5:59 PM To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Lunch stop for Saturday ride I'll tell you this about the Dairy. I went there about a week ago. Sat there for 15 minutes and no one even came to take our drink orders. Busy right? NOT. There was only 5 other people there. The place was dirty and hot. We finally just left. We used to love this place, but it's gone downhill. Sorry for the sour note, but I thought I owed it to my fellow riders to let you know. Gary From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 08:47:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3102.mail.yahoo.com (web3102.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.202.187]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KCl0829912 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000720124653.7963.qmail@web3102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.21.68.66] by web3102.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:46:53 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: bryan main Subject: Re: insurance To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > I have my car and bike insured through state farm. me too, or all six actually. > but I noticed.. that it wasnt' on my motorcycle.. and I asked about > it, and they said they dont' offer it. nope, the reason I got is because motorcyclists get hurt more! Do you think so? I hit a deer a couple of years ago and got some nice scrapes on my legs. I tried to get the couple of hundred out of them and they wouldn't do it. BUT they don't know squat about motorcycle repair so I got 3500 for the bike and fixed half of it myself and kept the rest. > Of course if it were mandatory on bikes, they might make it sky high? of course they would. I don't mind too mcuh as I have really good health insurance. but hey it wouldn't be much fun if it made since now would it? Bryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 09:12:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KDC4800453 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.93]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17362; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39772614.F8BE88BD@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:17:24 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: New lunch stop for Saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to Gary Foreman who had a recent (last week) bad experience at the Royal Dairy, we are changing the lunch stop for the Saturday ride. It will still be in Front Royal. But we will stop at what used to be the Tastee Freeze (Gary thinks it's something else now but can't remember the name). And it's actually easier to find. After the turn/re-group from 678 onto 55: Follow 55 to Front Royal Right onto 340 (south), which should be a T-intersection (and if I remember correctly, a traffic light) We'll go over the bridge that crosses the Shenandoah River and it will be on the left If you get to the traffic light after going over the bridge, you've gone too far So who's riding on Saturday??? Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 09:17:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KDH6800530 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-184-179.s179.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.179] helo=wskirt) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FGCF-0007Y5-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:17:03 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01bff24c$c5585500$b3b8accf@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99D9@resie03.ie.cw.net> <39762423.A01C22BE@ix.netcom.com> <39790583.331416662@smtp.erols.com> Subject: Re: Gathering spots for NoVA sport riders... Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:16:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 lol... See, you get to ride...until you get to the spot where everbody is at...then you get to "hang out" (and not ride). So, make sure you wear some nice clothes, get your helmet and bike painted in some ridiculous colors/patterns, spend enormous amounts of money getting every piece of showing metal on your bike polished so it'll look nice and cheasy/cheap, and avoid wearing any gear if possible... Also get ready to square off your tires, because if you do RIDE somewhere with about 95% of those people that you meet in DC, it will most likely be in a straight line. Lots of super-dooper-keen fun drag racing, roll-on challenges, and shit talking about who's the best rider... but don't worry too much about leaning the bike over. hahaha... Anyways, it basically comes down to this. I've been out to a couple events with these riders. And then I decided that at least 95% of the riders are crap. Sure some of them can pull some monster wheelies down K street at 2pm on a weekday, or will talk shit about what a "Ruff Ryder" they are. BUT, the last event (and it will remain the last) that I went to, I could quite literally count on my hands the number of people wearing adequate gear out of over 100 bikes. Go downtown or into Georgetown any given night of the week. You will see rows of bikes, all prettied up and with massive pussy-stripes on their tires, all lined up in front of various bars. Try Checkers or pretty much any other bar in Georgetown. Personally, I would rather head AWAY from DC and go RIDE, then go into DC and make weak ass attempts at using my bike as some kind of status symbol (or ruining it with crappy air-brushing)... However, these are merely my personal opinions (garnered from "hanging out" with these groups a couple times, and being stupid enough to get on the same road with them too), and YMMV... Kirt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Gathering spots for NoVA sport riders... DC (from va) isn't all that bad.. I mean to get to the popular spot for sportbikes.. after all you do like to RIDE dont' you? 495 to 295 to 50W into NY ave (and bladensburg road exxon) on a friday and saturday night around 9 to 11 p.m. you'll see a good 100 bikes, from MD, DC, and VA. 10% to 15% of them are affilliated with DCSR. You can talk to all the riders with VA tags, and make some affiliations. DCSR don't have their own little spot. They are basicly just the computer litterate of the popular spots. Oh and a few of the bikes a pretty damn beautiful :) Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 09:23:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KDNr800617 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 20956 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2000 06:23:41 -0700 Date: 20 Jul 2000 06:23:41 -0700 Message-ID: <20000720132341.20955.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Jul 2000 13:23:41 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 20 Jul 2000 06:23:41 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. On Wed, 19 July 2000, Corbett B wrote: Geez, Corbett...you still busting my ass? don't you ever stop? lol. I'm not sure whether to organize a smoker's ride, single's ride, gun-toting ride, geez, who knows...all of these rides could take us into 2010. Could be fun, though. ;-) Laura > Okay Laura, are you going to organize a "Smoker's > Ride" now? > > -jus' pok'n fun Corbett '99K1200RS > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > I know this is a motorcycle list and we should all > > be discussing bikes, but I think that a little > > discussion outside is fine. It helps us learn how > > each other thinks, which potentially is a plus when > > we will be on the streets with these people riding. > > :-) Maybe we'll divide the next ride into smokers > > and non-smokers, so the smokers can stop and take > > more breaks than the non-smokers. lol. just > > kidding! > > > > Laura > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 09:29:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe11.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.115]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KDTO800704 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:29:05 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Kathleen Loerich" , , References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> <3976e9bd.324304862@smtp.erols.com> <023501bff22b$0813e3e0$1af67ad1@cop.dec.com> Subject: Re: insurance Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:29:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2000 13:29:05.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A14AF10:01BFF24E] Kathleen, Isn't mandatory "uninsured motorist" coverage protects your passenger in case of an accident? Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Loerich" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 5:15 AM Subject: Re: insurance > >now why would they mandate that I NEED personal injury protection in a > >car.. but not on a bike? > > >Does anyone see the problem here? Oppinions? > > > >Of course if it were mandatory on bikes, they might make it sky high? > > Some insurance companies offer a PIP option for motorcycles. > However, state law does not mandate it. If the law did mandate PIP for > motorcycles, since cars are not considered in the risk pool for calculating > the cost on motorcycles and the motorcycle population is small compared to > the car population, mandatory PIP could be cost prohibitive. In multiple > vehicle accidents it is frequently the fault of the automobile driver and > their insurance pays the costs. Its a different story in a single vehicle > (motorcycle) accident. The motorcyclist must pay either through health > insurance or self-pay for injuries incurred. > > Some insurance companies also provide 'guest' insurance for passengers. > Don't assume that your passenger is covered unless you ask your agent and > know for sure. > > Kathleen Loerich > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 09:38:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KDc8800874 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-216.patriot.net [209.249.180.216]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6KDc1O09183; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:38:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3976FF09.F1EB520C@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:30:49 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000720132341.20955.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hmm... don't have a gun, can I bring my bow? I should bring the longbow instead of the compound - much easier to load and shoot from the saddle... I'll have to skip the singles ride unless it's on a Pagan/Wicca holiday Bill Beltane rocks! LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 19 July 2000, Corbett B wrote: > > Geez, Corbett...you still busting my ass? don't you ever stop? lol. I'm not sure whether to organize a smoker's ride, single's ride, gun-toting ride, geez, who knows...all of these rides could take us into 2010. Could be fun, though. ;-) > > Laura > > > Okay Laura, are you going to organize a "Smoker's > > Ride" now? > > > > -jus' pok'n fun Corbett '99K1200RS > > > > --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 July 2000, Chuck Pena wrote: > > > > > > I know this is a motorcycle list and we should all > > > be discussing bikes, but I think that a little > > > discussion outside is fine. It helps us learn how > > > each other thinks, which potentially is a plus when > > > we will be on the streets with these people riding. > > > :-) Maybe we'll divide the next ride into smokers > > > and non-smokers, so the smokers can stop and take > > > more breaks than the non-smokers. lol. just > > > kidding! > > > > > > Laura > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ________________________________________________ > PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. > http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 10:08:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KE8u801359 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va6-29.ix.netcom.com [207.223.176.93]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28407; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39773365.7BA3C565@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:14:13 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LAURA GRANATO CC: corbettk1200rs@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. References: <20000720132341.20955.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, I will go on a gun-toting ride, but only if real riding and real shooting are involved! %^) Organize it and they will ride! Chuck LAURA GRANATO wrote: > > Geez, Corbett...you still busting my ass? don't you ever stop? lol. I'm not sure whether to organize a smoker's ride, single's ride, gun-toting ride, geez, who knows...all of these rides could take us into 2010. Could be fun, though. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 10:26:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KEQ5801647 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000720142557.10358.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:25:57 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I almost got nailed twice going in to work today.... people love to change lanes around here(Washington DC area) without moving there head. there is a saying (quoting somebody) "you can always tell a motorcyclist driving a cage... they don't trust their mirrors!! Passing more and more safety laws will not improve safety. I think education and training is the key for better drivers. The FAA passed so many laws for aviation yet statistics proved that improvement of airsafety was reflected by rigorous training and continual education for pilots. Our education for motorist is a joke in my view. If we had the same training requirements as we do for pilot training...... the highways would be allot safer. Anybody interested in having group rides to work?.... maybe having group of bikes on the road will improve visability and help people twist their freakn head before changing lanes. matt Developer - Flight Instructor --- Dave Yates wrote: > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > I rode to work today, but didn't see many bikes at > all. Of course, I got > > in early, around 7:45a.m., > > I rode to work today, but got started a few minutes > late ; 0435... > > didn't see many bikes... just one in fact. > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 10:49:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h002.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.166]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KEms802171 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23130 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2000 07:48:36 -0700 Date: 20 Jul 2000 07:48:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20000720144836.23129.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 20 Jul 2000 14:48:36 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 20 Jul 2000 07:48:36 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: matt_ehlert@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day On Thu, 20 July 2000, Matthew Ehlert wrote: I ride the toll road from Centreville every morning and would love having someone to ride with. I'm sick of riding 80 in the HOV lane and having someone constantly on my ass. Having at least one other bike to scoot with would be cool. Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 > I almost got nailed twice going in to work today.... > people love to change lanes around here(Washington DC > area) without moving there head. > > there is a saying (quoting somebody) "you can always > tell a motorcyclist driving a cage... they don't trust > their mirrors!! > > Passing more and more safety laws will not improve > safety. I think education and training is the key for > better drivers. The FAA passed so many laws for > aviation yet statistics proved that improvement of > airsafety was reflected by rigorous training and > continual education for pilots. > > Our education for motorist is a joke in my view. If we > had the same training requirements as we do for pilot > training...... the highways would be allot safer. > > Anybody interested in having group rides to work?.... > maybe having group of bikes on the road will improve > visability and help people twist their freakn head > before changing lanes. > > > matt > Developer - > Flight Instructor > > > --- Dave Yates wrote: > > Jeannette Zell wrote: > > > > > > I rode to work today, but didn't see many bikes at > > all. Of course, I got > > > in early, around 7:45a.m., > > > > I rode to work today, but got started a few minutes > > late ; 0435... > > > > didn't see many bikes... just one in fact. > > > > -- > > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > > Dave Yates > > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > > Systems Programmer > > (301) 496-3760 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 10:49:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KEnf802181 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11237; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39771192.F63FC5BD@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:49:54 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX, Balt-Cycles-l CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Protest References: <39780102.330262667@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:39:18 -0400, you wrote: > > |>Coupla thoughts re the protest ride supporting the MD "Rocket Rider" thing: > > It's my feeling that is the general goal.. to show just how ludacris > the speed limit is, and how ludacris the rocket roundup is. How > ludacris it is, to drive in a manner following the law. Sure it will > be dangerous, but so is riding. We are hoping there will be cages to > protect the bikes from tail gating. If traffic is backed up, then > there will be a lot less aggressive driving, if there is no room to > weave in and out of lanes by the cagers.. so in a way.. it might make > the highway safer. > > |>vehicle but only steering it from one place to another. Thus, I believe > |>your protest will only be an obstacle, not a message. > |>But, god bless and good luck. > > Nothing beats failure except a try? maybe a constant obsticle will > bring about change? Not likely? evil triumps when good men do > nothing.. all that jazz.. if you have better ideas, by all means... > i'm sure we'll support you. > > |>2. IMHO, this "Rocket Rider" project is a waste of resources and a > |>publicity stunt. Sure it sounds great, "we're gonna stop those steenkin' > > Agreed, and i think that's another implication of the protest rideS. > Maybe you can come out and and be a voice of reason in front of the > cameras.. rather than some hooligan who says "police suck". > > |>a) Enforcing the speed limit in the right lane: where vehicles exit and > > agreed > > |>b) Pulling the LLBs out of the left lane. Sheese, give the speeders the > |>left lane, then they're farther away from slower merging traffic (well, > > agreed > > |>c) enforce using turnsignals when changing lanes (courtesy and safety) > > agreed and no "instant lane changes with one blink of the signal" Just this morning on Baltimore's WJZ's Morning show, they had a "Coffee With," segment with a corporal from the MSP, Glen Burnie Barracks. He had on hand, the new MSP NASCAR prepped police vehicle. The MSP race car is being used to promote their campaign against aggressive driving, and the "Road Rocket Round Up." He also threw in a blurb about MC chases, with speeds up to 150 mph. I was glad to hear him say, that "if you don't drive aggressively, and obey the speed limit, you have nothing to worry about." Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 10:53:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KEqx802318 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:52:54 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E1A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Non-Moto: I need an ISP for Web Hosting Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:43:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Can someone recommend a good ISP for web hosting. A personal site, lots of text and pics but nothing too serious. I don't want a free service, something around $30/month? Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 11:11:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KFBv803078 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000720151148.241.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:11:48 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Other VA police vehicles... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of law enforcement I have seen two other police vehicles this week I've never seen before and thought everyone would be interested to know about. First I'm sure you remember me telling about the blue four door Lumina I've seen off and on for the past year on I-495 and I-66? Well add a white one to the list, saw it Monday on I-66. Yesterday I saw a dark green (I believe) Jeep Cherokee, the boxy type, not the round "Grand" version. It was in the median on I-66 talking with another cop. This particular vehicle was definitely driven by a VA state boy. I was clearly able to see this because of all the rubber neckers slowing down thinking an accident or some other stunning event was happening. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 11:15:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KFFi803305 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20008; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000720111639.00a14e50@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:16:45 -0400 To: Mark Kitchell , "'DC Cycles'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Non-Moto: I need an ISP for Web Hosting In-Reply-To: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E1A@qsi-tysons.qualitys trategies.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_62444059==_.ALT" --=====================_62444059==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Try this: http://www.webaxxs.com/ $9.99/month, can't be beat! : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 10:43 AM 7/20/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote: >Can someone recommend a good ISP for web hosting. A personal site, lots of >text and pics but nothing too serious. I don't want a free service, >something around $30/month? Thanks > >Mark --=====================_62444059==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Try this: http://www.webaxxs.com/
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At 10:43 AM 7/20/00 -0400, Mark Kitchell wrote:
>Can someone recommend a good ISP for web hosting.  A personal site, lots of
>text and pics but nothing too serious.  I don't want a free service,
>something around $30/month?   Thanks
>
>Mark
--=====================_62444059==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 12:17:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (oe16.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.240.120]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KGHP804805 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:17:17 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [216.88.44.78] Reply-To: "Genna Melamed" From: "Genna Melamed" To: "Mark Kitchell" , "'DC Cycles'" References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E1A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> Subject: Re: Non-Moto: I need an ISP for Web Hosting Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:17:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2000 16:17:17.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[F91CDBE0:01BFF265] I just have an odd question. Why do you not want a free service? :) Genna Melamed genna@XXXXXX www.erols.com/genna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Kitchell" To: "'DC Cycles'" Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Non-Moto: I need an ISP for Web Hosting > Can someone recommend a good ISP for web hosting. A personal site, lots of > text and pics but nothing too serious. I don't want a free service, > something around $30/month? Thanks > > Mark > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 13:02:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KH21805517 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6KGuMm14785 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13FJbh-0002td-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:55:33 +0000 Received: from [209.70.174.26] (helo=david500) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13FJbX-0000B2-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:55:23 +0000 Message-ID: <005901bff26b$8ee41d00$1aae46d1@bdanet.com> Reply-To: "Dave Cross" From: "Dave Cross" To: "LAURA GRANATO" , References: <20000720144836.23129.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:57:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 > I ride the toll road from Centreville every morning and would love having someone to ride with. I'm sick of >riding 80 in the HOV lane and having someone constantly on my ass. Having at least one other bike to scoot with >would be cool. I ride 80 on the toll road in the HOV lane with people on my ass and cars passing me on the right and guess who got the reckless ticket? If you guessed red sportbike then you are correct. dave cross From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 13:59:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KHwm806622 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markandbonnie.com (pm3a-4.elkins.meer.net [216.206.137.4]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id KAA158553 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <397743DE.4880D791@markandbonnie.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:27:47 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Reminder Mystery Tour Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...just a friendly reminder.... the mountain highlands motorcycle mystery tour sign-up deadline is in two weeks... smokers, non-smokers and SUV folks (preferably on a bike)...are welcome!.. http://mountainhighlands.com/motorcycle/ Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 13:59:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KHxQ806625 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FKb0-0004Ii-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:58:54 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Genna Melamed" Cc: "Mark Kitchell" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Non-Moto: I need an ISP for Web Hosting Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:04:43 GMT Message-ID: <39776866.356734862@smtp.erols.com> References: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E1A@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KI2g806626 Webprovider.com and you can hide their banner at the bottom of your page. You can get a domain name for like $12 a year. On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:17:11 -0400, you wrote: |>I just have an odd question. Why do you not want a free service? :) |> |> |>Genna Melamed |>genna@XXXXXX |>www.erols.com/genna |> |>----- Original Message ----- |>From: "Mark Kitchell" |>To: "'DC Cycles'" |>Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:43 AM |>Subject: Non-Moto: I need an ISP for Web Hosting |> |> |>> Can someone recommend a good ISP for web hosting. A personal site, lots |>of |>> text and pics but nothing too serious. I don't want a free service, |>> something around $30/month? Thanks |>> |>> Mark |>> |> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 14:03:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KI3u806747 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6KI3rm26028 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FKcY-0004WG-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:00:31 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dysart@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:06:20 GMT Message-ID: <39786982.357019517@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000720151148.241.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000720151148.241.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KI3x806748 I can confirm that Jeep cherokee. The word I got, was, one person spotted it, saw it pull over another vehicle.. then talked to someoen he knew, and turns out they have 2 of them. they said you can spot the lights inside the window. I always try to look for those lights, and government tags. but then i'm in MD. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 14:11:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KIBE806831 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FY000E20D5P4L@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R32TCZ>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:10:53 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:09:04 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Other VA police vehicles... To: "'dysart@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99E9@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've seen the Cherokee on 66, and another on 95... -Calvin Ledford '00VFR800FI -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Dysart [mailto:glenn_dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:12 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Other VA police vehicles... Speaking of law enforcement I have seen two other police vehicles this week I've never seen before and thought everyone would be interested to know about. First I'm sure you remember me telling about the blue four door Lumina I've seen off and on for the past year on I-495 and I-66? Well add a white one to the list, saw it Monday on I-66. Yesterday I saw a dark green (I believe) Jeep Cherokee, the boxy type, not the round "Grand" version. It was in the median on I-66 talking with another cop. This particular vehicle was definitely driven by a VA state boy. I was clearly able to see this because of all the rubber neckers slowing down thinking an accident or some other stunning event was happening. Glenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 14:22:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KIMc807111 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FKxs-00006U-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:22:33 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dysart@XXXXXX Cc: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Protest Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:28:22 GMT Message-ID: <397969e8.357121197@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000720115142.14248.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000720115142.14248.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KIMt807112 That's true.. but if you plan to get over way in advance, you can let that guy go. When driving, I try to signal in advance and wait a second or two (or 3). I try to drive like that, and surprisingly, lately, cars have let me over. Once i thought hte guy was gonna be a jerk and "have to pass" me... but he backed off after he started coming forward. The message i guess is... use your signals like you're supposed to.. other wise why use them? just contribute to the problem, continue to set a bad example, and someone else will do the same, and somewhere down the line some rider will die from drivers who want to 'be in reality' and play "that's my spot" games cuz "i have to hurry up and not yeild to the next car". Where is the logic.. I have to drive like an idiot becasue the next driver might be an idiot" If you want people to drive like you're supposed to, guess who you have to start with first. I may ride like I don't want a cop behind me, but I drive like there is one always following me. There may not be a car on the road, but i'll signal before I change lanes, as I'm looking around. Daniel On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:51:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>The idea of people signaling well in advance is a |>great idea but around here reality is that when you |>put your turn signal on you'd better be prepared to |>move it ASAP. If you don't move it quick, more then |>half the time the person in the other lane will speed |>up and close the gap. It sux but people do it. |> |>Glenn |> |>--- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |> |>> |>c) enforce using turnsignals when changing lanes |>> (courtesy and safety) |>> |>> agreed and no "instant lane changes with one blink |>> of the signal" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 14:35:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KIZl807378 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FLAU-0002Ej-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:35:34 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Cc: Balt-Cycles-l , "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Protest Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:41:24 GMT Message-ID: <397a6f73.358540242@smtp.erols.com> References: <39780102.330262667@smtp.erols.com> <39771192.F63FC5BD@peabody.jhu.edu> In-Reply-To: <39771192.F63FC5BD@peabody.jhu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KIZr807379 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:49:54 -0400, you wrote: |> Just this morning on Baltimore's WJZ's Morning show, they had a "Coffee |>With," segment with a corporal from the MSP, Glen Burnie Barracks. He had on |>hand, the new MSP NASCAR prepped police vehicle. The MSP race car is being used |>to promote their campaign against aggressive driving, and the "Road Rocket Round |>Up." But you dont' think this is overkill or a waste? Do we really want 100+ mph police chases? Won't the current vehicles and radios do the same thing? it's not liek any of these new vehicles are equipped to disable and peacefully stop vehicles trying to evade. Personally, i don't think its worth risking the officers life. in RI a stolen hiyabusa rider will be charged with manslaughter if he ever gets caught, because a cop killed himself chasing the motorcycle. Catching a stolen bike (or car), isn't worth risking your life. The owner probably already has a new bike through his insurance, and if he didn't, then he has to deal with it. He knows what kind of world we live in. It's not worth risking your life to catch a theif. Just wait and he'll get caught later on. I'm against police chases for any non felony, non voilent crime. Use the radio or something. Use unmarked cars and tail the suspect. Do something except risk your own life and others lives for something so meaningless. |> He also threw in a blurb about MC chases, with speeds up to 150 mph. I was |>glad to hear him say, that "if you don't drive aggressively, and obey the speed |>limit, you have nothing to worry about." Yeah until a chased, speeding, stolen car runs over someones child, or smacks into a mini-van and kills 8 kids. Or the stolen bike rider who is bumped, crashes out over the double yellow, making the mini van swerve until a pole. That's a real brilliant attitude the police have. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 14:54:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KIsQ807693 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FLSd-00059Y-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:54:19 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: insurance Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:00:09 GMT Message-ID: <397b735d.359542632@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000718155229.236.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> <397480C8.5D4587B9@radix.net> <3976e9bd.324304862@smtp.erols.com> <3976D5B7.8A83371B@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3976D5B7.8A83371B@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KIsc807695 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:34:31 -0400, you wrote: |>Hmmm... ??? I have State Farm on cars, boat, and M/C, and both operator |>and passenger(s) is covered . But then this is in Virginny, not MD. I |>don't consider it expensive, M/C package, full coverage, about 360/yr for |>the FLHS Harley. |> |>Possible insur advantage - me be old as dirt and have zip tickets I pay about $270 or something for my 95 zx6r (600 ninja) full coverage except no personal injury protection. My point is, they say it's optional for a more dangerous vehicle, yet make it mandatory for a less dangerous vehicle. (in the context of dangerous to one's own self). So I have to pay $70 for personal injury protection where I won't need it (car).. but can't get it at all, where I'm most likely to need it (motorcycle). Mandatory insurance sucks. My grandpa, mother, nor I, a good, 140 years combined, havent ever used such PIP. what did drivers do before we had this? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 14:57:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KIv8807788 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA2154097 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39774B7D.AC867D31@radix.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:57:01 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: "'DCCy'" Subject: Re: Protest References: <39780102.330262667@smtp.erols.com> <39771192.F63FC5BD@peabody.jhu.edu> <397a6f73.358540242@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > But you dont' think this is overkill or a waste? Yes, but they don't, since they have a bottomless pit of taxpayer money to justify their existence with... we really want > 100+ mph police chases? No. Won't the current vehicles and radios do the > same thing? Why should they ? it's not liek any of these new vehicles are equipped to > disable and peacefully stop vehicles trying to evade. Road blocks. If i have a problem, i'm the 1st to admit I want help yesterday, but I don't want anyone killed or injured to accomplish it... > > Personally, i don't think its worth risking the officers life. in RI a > stolen hiyabusa rider will be charged with manslaughter if he ever > gets caught, because a cop killed himself chasing the motorcycle. Should be the cop that is charged... > > I'm against police chases for any non felony, non voilent crime. > Use the radio or something. Use unmarked cars and tail the suspect. > Do something except risk your own life and others lives for something > so meaningless. Charles County Deputy Jody Powell engaged in a reckless emergency call that directly caused a fatality & serious injury a few years back. She killed a 19 year old volunteer fire fighter in Bryans Road,MD. The state Police blamed the fire fighter OVER THE EYE WITNESS TESTIMONY of 4 people. Her speed when she t boned the car was estimated 110 in a 40 zone, she never even slowed down for the red light as is required by policy & state law. Further, she was ordered off the call. AND what was so important ? A DUI suspect that was already pulled over. Deputy Powell is still on the Charles county payroll, but should be in jail - True story, the victim's family won a judgement against Charles County in January. Don't think it can't happen to you. -- Dave Yates - Charles county resident... '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 15:09:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KJ9b808010 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.9f.861b55b (1813) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:09:22 -0400 (EDT) From: GOINGRIDING@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9f.861b55b.26a8a861@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:09:21 EDT Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 110 This may or may not be the same vehicle but I have seen the Cherokee "police car". However, the thing is, its NOT a police car but a Fire Marshal's vehicle. It was a dark blue Cherokee with antennas and lights. I spoke to the guy about it and sure enough, the Fire Marshals drive them around. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 15:10:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KJAY808041 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FLiC-0000B6-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:10:25 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Kirt S." Cc: Subject: Re: Gathering spots for NoVA sport riders... Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:16:14 GMT Message-ID: <397c7747.360544767@smtp.erols.com> References: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99D9@resie03.ie.cw.net> <39762423.A01C22BE@ix.netcom.com> <39790583.331416662@smtp.erols.com> <004c01bff24c$c5585500$b3b8accf@wskirt> In-Reply-To: <004c01bff24c$c5585500$b3b8accf@wskirt> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KJAZ808042 Well the original poster talked about "meeting people" and "hanging out". So exxon/checkers is exactly right for that. I have to admit I enjoy a chromed out bike. One day i'd like a second "show" bike, for chill' mode. Not that I'd chrome anything, I'd probably just polish the frame and wheels. I have to say there are some good riders down checkers. I also know there are some bad (form) (new) riders too.. So I worry about a bike going down.. but sometimes I'm amazed to see so many riders go through certain curves like they do. You won't see me for hours on end down checkers/exxon either. I like to ride. I'll go down there, meet up, and someone will suggest somewhere to go. If they happen to go to park outside a club, then I would go there, for the women. :) I can't knock that. If they ride somewhere, like baltimore, then there will be two groups.. those who ride hard, and those who ride organized. sometimes it ends up almost everyone starts riding hard.. but then some dont' get sucked into it or not. It's up to you. So with the exception of hitting backroad twisties (which i woudlnt' want to do on a saturday or friday night)... exxon is a good spot to meet other riders.. and maybe ride like you want to ride. Out of 200 bikers (at different times) you're likely to find riders who feel the same way about riding as you do. You may not meet them, if you only go once or twice though. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 15:31:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KJVk808433 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6KJJYm16131 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-53-146.s146.tnt4.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.53.146]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FLnn-0001St-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:16:12 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: Marcy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sweat or bleed Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:22:01 GMT Message-ID: <397d7ae4.361469862@smtp.erols.com> References: <397a0741.331862307@smtp.erols.com> <3976EB07.56FFE7B6@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <3976EB07.56FFE7B6@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6KJW4808435 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:05:28 -0400, you wrote: |>> For some reason, I want to avoid the ambulance ride, and the doctors. |>> If I can get up, and my body is workng as it should, and I don't have |>> excruciating pain, then I want to avoid all the hospital crap. If I |>> have a hairline fracture somewhere, the bone heals itself anyway, i |>> don't want a stinking cast , or surgery for a rod or plate.. |>Take the ride and get fixed up proper. That's what insurance is for. yeah but i heard the motorcycle insurance really doesn't cover the hospital bills. Does it? and then with the quackery that goes on.. i'd rather not have them stick a steel rod in me if i don't need it. or rather not be placed in an itchy cumbrsome cast, if my body will naturally heal itself anwyay. If I have an accident, i'd like to take my bike home. If I have a snapped bone.. okay take me to the hospital hehe. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:08:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KK8Q809370 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.230]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00467 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39778797.C1632DC5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:13:27 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got off the phone with Kevin Grevey and wanted to report to y'all that he was very happy hosting Bike Night 3. We definitely made a difference in their business on Tuesday night. And we are more than welcome to come back. I talked to him about the motorcycle parking situation and probably the best we could do next time is for Kevin to work something out with the Shell station next door to reserve their parking spaces (about 9). But the chances are slim and none WRT the main shopping center parking lot. We will definitely go back to Grevey's for another Bike Night. It's just a question of when. Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:12:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KKBs809407 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-252.patriot.net [209.249.180.252]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6KKBbO07046; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:11:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39775B49.DC886576@patriot.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:04:25 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: Marcy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sweat or bleed References: <397a0741.331862307@smtp.erols.com> <3976EB07.56FFE7B6@patriot.net> <397d7ae4.361469862@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > yeah but i heard the motorcycle insurance really doesn't cover the > hospital bills. Does it? and then with the quackery that goes on.. > i'd rather not have them stick a steel rod in me if i don't need it. > or rather not be placed in an itchy cumbrsome cast, if my body will > naturally heal itself anwyay. > Mine does - covers the passenger/corider also. That's assuming you have *full* coverage instead of the bare minimum. You might want to actually read your policy. Bill > > If I have an accident, i'd like to take my bike home. If I have a > snapped bone.. okay take me to the hospital hehe. > > Daniel From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:19:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KKJt809573 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.94.767dd53 (3874) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:19:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <94.767dd53.26a8b8d9@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:19:37 EDT Subject: The Loudoun 9 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Well folks, it's all over. It wasn't as good as I had hoped, but was much better than I expected, so I guess that we won. We had to pay $20 and pick up the garbage, in the snow... no, wait - that was another case The docket was a bit crowded, we were cases 678, 679, etc (starting from 001). Carleton Penn worked a plea with the Commonwealth's Attorney to drop the charges if we took traffic school. This was offered to the first group (the Virgin Marys) due to our stellar driving records. Carleton was able to get the offer extended to the remaining three (those with less than stellar records) and clear 9 cases off the docket in one fell swoop. The CA took it, the judge took it and we took it - after contacting the others via phone. Turns out that the HMM (High Muckey Muck) of Purcellville Po-lice was out and about that day, and was the person who instigated the chase (such as it was - we WERE stopped at a stop sign, after all) after he saw a group of motorcyclists speeding through Purcellville and turning onto 690. (The HMM was there in person to testify). Y'all be careful out there, now Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:28:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KKSN809736 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.230]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22070; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39778C53.AD10CA5B@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:33:39 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 References: <94.767dd53.26a8b8d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael et al, All things considered, this is pretty good news. Could've been much worse. Congrats on not having to do any hard time! %^) In addition to the entire state of Maryland, I guess we should now add Purcellville as a place for us hooligan rocket bike riders to avoid. Skittles, aka Chuck MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > > Well folks, it's all over. > > It wasn't as good as I had hoped, but was much better than I expected, so I > guess that we won. > > We had to pay $20 and pick up the garbage, in the snow... no, wait - that was > another case > > The docket was a bit crowded, we were cases 678, 679, etc (starting from > 001). Carleton Penn worked a plea with the Commonwealth's Attorney to drop > the charges if we took traffic school. This was offered to the first group > (the Virgin Marys) due to our stellar driving records. Carleton was able to > get the offer extended to the remaining three (those with less than stellar > records) and clear 9 cases off the docket in one fell swoop. The CA took it, > the judge took it and we took it - after contacting the others via phone. > > Turns out that the HMM (High Muckey Muck) of Purcellville Po-lice was out and > about that day, and was the person who instigated the chase (such as it was - > we WERE stopped at a stop sign, after all) after he saw a group of > motorcyclists speeding through Purcellville and turning onto 690. (The HMM > was there in person to testify). > > Y'all be careful out there, now > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:40:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KKeV809921 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.71.40.51] ([204.71.40.51]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with SMTP id <0FY000K34JZSSM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by cw.net From: nowhereman@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest (off topic and longish...) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <0FY000K35K09SM@cw.net> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:47:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KKlB810088 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [168.191.22.12] ([168.191.22.12]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10226; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:34:55 -0400 Subject: Re: sweat or bleed From: Marcy To: Bill Huson , CC: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39775B49.DC886576@patriot.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit mine does too, as well as passengers and all my gear (leathers, helmet, etc) Bikeline 1-800-236-BIKE ... their rates are great. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marcy '89 CB-1 (totalled) :( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > From: Bill Huson > Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:04:25 -0400 > To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX > Cc: Marcy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: sweat or bleed > > > > daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > >> yeah but i heard the motorcycle insurance really doesn't cover the >> hospital bills. Does it? and then with the quackery that goes on.. >> i'd rather not have them stick a steel rod in me if i don't need it. >> or rather not be placed in an itchy cumbrsome cast, if my body will >> naturally heal itself anwyay. >> > > Mine does - covers the passenger/corider also. That's assuming you have > *full* coverage instead of the bare minimum. You might want to actually > read your policy. > > Bill > > >> >> If I have an accident, i'd like to take my bike home. If I have a >> snapped bone.. okay take me to the hospital hehe. >> >> Daniel > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:55:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (imo-r16.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.70]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KKtA810240 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.3a.822d131 (4006) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3a.822d131.26a8c11e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:54 EDT Subject: The Loudoun 9 (an apology) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 I inadvertehtly smeared the reputation of the good Mr. Roach - he was as virgin as the rest of the first group, but dropped to the second group to even out the numbers a bit. Michael (the penitent) J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 16:56:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KKuI810250 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chameleon (user-2ivf7bt.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.157.125]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07463; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000720165442.00c2a3b0@mail.troutman.org> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:55:38 -0400 To: dysart@XXXXXX From: Troutman Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <20000720151148.241.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I should have mentioned it before, but the White Lumina nailed me last year on 495. Doh! The cop is a weekend HOG guy, and didn't seem to care for sportbikes or their riders..... At 11:11 AM 7/20/00 , Glenn Dysart wrote: >First I'm sure you remember me telling about the blue >four door Lumina I've seen off and on for the past >year on I-495 and I-66? Well add a white one to the >list, saw it Monday on I-66. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 17:09:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from qsi_lee.qualitystrategies.com (qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com [208.131.90.4]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KL9i810587 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by qsi-lee.qualitystrategies.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: <213034B598ECD31184A200805FCBBE33062E33@qsi-tysons.qualitystrategies.com> From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Bike Night Poll Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:00:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain MC Productions (Mark and Chuck), in an effort to serve you better, would like your input on the next series of Bike Nights. Specifically, we are considering Bike Nights on the following dates at the following locations: - Tuesday, August 8th at Grevey's - Sunday, August 20th at CarPool (late afternoon) Please respond back, would you attend #1, #2, or both. Do you think every three weeks is a good schedule for Bike Nights? Soon the nice weather will be a thing of the past! Thanks Mark From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 17:10:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KLA0810597 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FY000KDVLG6SM@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R324DP>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:09:59 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:08:29 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: Why not a regular Bike night a Grevy's... To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99EA@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Why not have a standing mini bike night every week at Grevy's? I don't want to take away from the bigger events, but a known get together once a week (especially knowing that other riders will be present -- vs. a hit or miss type thing) would be welcome. -Calvin Ledford From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 17:11:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KLBd810610 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.c3.781a064 (7042) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:11:27 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:11:26 EDT Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 (an apology) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 7/20/00 4:56:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MJordan666@XXXXXX writes: > I inadvertehtly smeared the reputation of the good Mr. Roach - he was as > virgin as the rest of the first group, but dropped to the second group to > even out the numbers a bit. I believe that's the first time I've ever had my name and the words "good reputation" used in the same sentence. But yeah... one ticket in nine years, and it was actually non-intentional (Missed the sign in NC that dropped the speed limit from 70 to 65 on a section of 95s), which sucks - I'd rather be intentionally speeding when I get the nailed with the speeding tax. - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 17:42:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe3.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.50]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KLgZ811391 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.207.54]) by mail3.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:42:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3977725F.470BA3FB@cox.rr.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:42:55 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 References: <94.767dd53.26a8b8d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The scary part is that HMM was going to be lying through his teeth, with his own personal eyewitness report of speeding, lane sharing, using both lanes of the road, and apparently general hooliganism IN THE TOWN OF PURCELLVILLE. As everyone on the list knows, we simply do not do that sort of thing. Ever. I'm glad we didn't have to defend ourselves against a bald-faced lie by a person of that stature in the community. We could very well have been screwed. Kudos to our lawyer. I didn't see anybody else get a full dismissal over the hour or so we were there. Plus, he got us bumped to the front and out the door hours before we were scheduled. Larry MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: > Well folks, it's all over. > > {snip} > > Turns out that the HMM (High Muckey Muck) of Purcellville Po-lice was out and > about that day, and was the person who instigated the chase (such as it was - > we WERE stopped at a stop sign, after all) after he saw a group of > motorcyclists speeding through Purcellville and turning onto 690. (The HMM > was there in person to testify). > > Y'all be careful out there, now > > Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 18:17:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KMHU811981 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6KMIF410422 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:18:16 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: "dc-cycles@dc-cycles. org (E-mail)" Subject: FW: Subject: ENN Weekly Pole Roadless areas Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bff297$e4179f00$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Worth checking out: Cedric 1996 CBR600F3 AMA 663626 Annandale, VA > "Where are we going and what's with this handbasket?" Subject: ENN Weekly Pole Roadless areas Do you support the U.S. Forest Service's proposed ban on new roads in the National Forest System? http://www.enn.com/poll/ Log on and express you opinion. Please forward this to other motorcycle lists. Thanks. Tom Warr From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 19:07:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KN7O812789 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gt350pii (dp076.fls01.splitrock.net [206.156.194.76]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10575; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01bff29e$fc9a7a00$4cc29cce@gt350pii> From: "Roy D. Turner, Esq." To: , , "Ursulina Viteri" , "ListBot Verifier" , "Sean Sullivan" , , , , "J. Rocketfeller" , "S&M Puhk" , "Phillips, Bradley" , "Larry Peters" , "Todd Peer" , "Ryan S. McClune" , "Razz Man" , "LindaT" , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "John C. Kozyn" , "Mark Kitchell" , "Thomas and Jeannette" , "James Hoofnagle" , "Chris Goodrich" , "Tom Gimer" , "david f foley" , "Collin T. Fagan" , "Danny Ellen" , , "Internet Dept" , , "DC Cycles" , , , "Don A Carmichael" , "Berrios, Wilbert" , "Kevin Bechtel" Subject: Change in EMail address Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:05:12 -0400 Organization: Attorney at Law X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Please note that my EMAIL address has changed from rdtesq@XXXXXX to turnerr@XXXXXX . Roy D. Turner, Esq. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 19:39:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KNda813327 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.28.54.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.28.54]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17400; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "Chuck Pena" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bff2a2$d7da60a0$361c5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39778797.C1632DC5@ix.netcom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal If we made that big a difference to his Tuesday business, then I think some drink/appetizer specials are in order. Not that we all need to guzzle beer and then ride home, but I think with the turnout we have some credibility, and some reciprocity is in order. It would only help the turnout even more anyway. In fact (and this is my mba talking) if I were the owner of the establishment I'd be trippin' over myself to give something like that, so that BN4-? didn't end up at Carpool or somewhere else. Bring it up to him Chuck, and I bet you a plate of nacho's he's more than willing. Matt "can't believe I paid $4+tip for a lousy little plastic cup of foster's." -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:13 PM To: DC Cycles Subject: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 I just got off the phone with Kevin Grevey and wanted to report to y'all that he was very happy hosting Bike Night 3. We definitely made a difference in their business on Tuesday night. And we are more than welcome to come back. I talked to him about the motorcycle parking situation and probably the best we could do next time is for Kevin to work something out with the Shell station next door to reserve their parking spaces (about 9). But the chances are slim and none WRT the main shopping center parking lot. We will definitely go back to Grevey's for another Bike Night. It's just a question of when. Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 19:41:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6KNfX813340 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-166.90.28.54.Washington1.Level3.net [166.90.28.54]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23618; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: , Subject: RE: The Loudoun 9 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bff2a3$21525c60$361c5aa6@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <94.767dd53.26a8b8d9@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Congrats - that's not so bad! -----Original Message----- From: MJordan666@XXXXXX [mailto:MJordan666@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 4:20 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: The Loudoun 9 Well folks, it's all over. It wasn't as good as I had hoped, but was much better than I expected, so I guess that we won. We had to pay $20 and pick up the garbage, in the snow... no, wait - that was another case The docket was a bit crowded, we were cases 678, 679, etc (starting from 001). Carleton Penn worked a plea with the Commonwealth's Attorney to drop the charges if we took traffic school. This was offered to the first group (the Virgin Marys) due to our stellar driving records. Carleton was able to get the offer extended to the remaining three (those with less than stellar records) and clear 9 cases off the docket in one fell swoop. The CA took it, the judge took it and we took it - after contacting the others via phone. Turns out that the HMM (High Muckey Muck) of Purcellville Po-lice was out and about that day, and was the person who instigated the chase (such as it was - we WERE stopped at a stop sign, after all) after he saw a group of motorcyclists speeding through Purcellville and turning onto 690. (The HMM was there in person to testify). Y'all be careful out there, now Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 21:20:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from meer.meer.net (meer.meer.net [140.174.164.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L1KZ814921 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from markandbonnie.com (pm3c-132.elkins.meer.net [216.206.137.132]) by meer.meer.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/meer) with ESMTP id SAA237358 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3977AB91.1EAB050D@markandbonnie.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:50:29 -0400 From: mark Reply-To: mark@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Mystery Tour Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several folks have emailed me personally asking to let the group know more about accommodations and security... although it was supposed to be a mystery tour, I think it may be more important to give some more information, otherwise, you may think we're staying at the roach motel or something... the second nights lodging is booked at Silver Creek at the infamous Snowshoe Mountain Resort... ( http://snowshoemtn.com )and yes, there will be security provided all night long.... the rooms are very nice and the scenery is great... the ride itself is virtually free of any urban hassles, including cherokees running around looking for cycles... we have about 25% of the ride booked..... if you need any more information, let me know. Mark mountainhighlands.com/motorcycle/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 21:44:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L1iD815288 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Candjward@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 9.b2.8351d04 (3312); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Candjward@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:53 EDT Subject: Re: Protest To: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 105 In a message dated 7/20/00 1:39:23 PM EST, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: << I'm against police chases for any non felony, non violent crime. Use the radio or something. >> I agree with the sentiment but don't see how the law can be enforced if everyone knows that they can just drive away from the police to avoid a ticket. If we say "only give chase until speed of such and such," then that is how fast evaders will go after it becomes common knowledge -- which it will. What gets me is to watch chases taped from a helicopter. Why continue the chase when the chopper is on their tail? Change of subject. Perhaps the authorities would give more slack to the crotch rocket riders if they had an "organ donor" sign conspicuously posted on their bike or even an "organ donor" license plate could be issued. Nah, that's a little too tacky. Chuck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 22:46:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L2kX816286 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com ([216.115.106.86]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6L2Uxm28756 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721022833.25709.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.83.104] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:28:33 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: non-moto smoke... was Re: Helmets. To: LAURA GRANATO Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hmmm....Gun-toting ride? Small arms or long guns? I'm holding out for the "corndog ride." ;-> -Corbett --- LAURA GRANATO wrote: > On Wed, 19 July 2000, Corbett B wrote: > > Geez, Corbett...you still busting my ass? don't you > ever stop? lol. I'm not sure whether to organize a > smoker's ride, single's ride, gun-toting ride, geez, > who knows...all of these rides could take us into > 2010. Could be fun, though. ;-) > > Laura > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 22:54:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from boo-mda02.boo.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [216.200.67.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L2se816381 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-boonet2-194.boo.net (ppp-boonet2-194.boo.net [208.184.99.194]) by boo-mda02.boo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20387 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:54:18 -0400 Received: by ppp-boonet2-194.boo.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFF29C.E1B022A0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:50:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFF29C.E1B022A0@ppp-boonet2-194.boo.net> From: Janey Cohen/Kurt Slawson To: "'cvkgpena@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Saturday Ride Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:49:48 -0400 Encoding: 32 TEXT, 51 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: WINMAIL.DAT 0 00-00-1980 00:00 Chuck, the digest I received for Wednesday got truncated, which means that I missed a good portion of the smokers/helmets/government-regulation-is-bad/the-country-is-going-to-hell conversation. Thank God. But, more importantly, I missed the details for Saturday's ride. What's the plan? -Kurt ---------- From: The dc-cycles list administrator[SMTP:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 07/20/00 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:17:24 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: New lunch stop for Saturday ride ... So who's riding on Saturday??? Skittles, aka Chuck _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. 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M1J]'OSJ4'G4?DC W+YT!T"\RT#%?,F,S-C/7]QSU--8P-D0A`4Q@0I%#H@-# M(D.T,#DZ,3 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L34Y816554 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.5b.8daad6c (4333); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:04:20 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <5b.8daad6c.26a917b4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:04:20 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 BTW... I'll be there on Sat morning. (And why is it that all motorcycle rides seem to start at god-awfull times of the morning?? I mean... it's doesn't get dark till 9pm during the summer for crying out loud!) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 23:27:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L3R1816938 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-149.s149.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.149]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FTSj-00046J-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:26:58 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Candjward@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, stevied@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:32:47 GMT Message-ID: <3977ed86.390820472@smtp.erols.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6L3R8816939 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:53 EDT, you wrote: |>In a message dated 7/20/00 1:39:23 PM EST, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX writes: |> |><< I'm against police chases for any non felony, non violent crime. |> Use the radio or something. >> |> |>I agree with the sentiment but don't see how the law can be enforced if |>everyone knows that they can just drive away from the police to avoid a Are you saying you'd run from the cops? Use the radio.. and put out spikes for runners.. Increase the penalty for running. Most people won't find it worth it. |>Change of subject. Perhaps the authorities would give more slack to the |>crotch rocket riders if they had an "organ donor" sign conspicuously posted |>on their bike or even an "organ donor" license plate could be issued. Nah, |>that's a little too tacky. Good idea to me. I already checkmarked the organ donor box. I like the idea. "you wanna kill yourself, go ahead, some kid could use your kidneys" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 23:33:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L3Xu817029 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-45-149.s149.tnt5.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.45.149]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FTZS-0004ko-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:33:55 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Bill Huson Cc: Marcy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: sweat or bleed Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:39:44 GMT Message-ID: <3978efda.391416297@smtp.erols.com> References: <397a0741.331862307@smtp.erols.com> <3976EB07.56FFE7B6@patriot.net> <397d7ae4.361469862@smtp.erols.com> <39775B49.DC886576@patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <39775B49.DC886576@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6L3Y0817030 |>Mine does - covers the passenger/corider also. That's assuming you have |>*full* coverage instead of the bare minimum. You might want to actually |>read your policy. touche' . It just came in the mail late last week. I'll check it out. >From what I hear, that protection people think they are getting, is for their passengers. I shoudl have it though. i do have full coverage. I want to make sure theft is part of it too. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jul 20 23:39:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (paleoalterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.22]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6L3dU817113 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otaku.org by wodc7mr4.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: koroshiya.otaku.org [206.138.238.11]) id QQiyta18690; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 03:39:27 GMT Message-ID: <3977C5EE.DA1B54A2@otaku.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:39:26 -0400 From: robert@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Troutman CC: dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... References: <4.2.0.58.20000720165442.00c2a3b0@mail.troutman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw a white lumina parked near a subdivision on bull run over by the water treatment plant in the centreville/manassas park area. Luckily I wasn't speeding when I went by him. However he did notice that my safety inspection had expired and pulled me over after I crossed 28 on Compton Rd. I kept looking at the car thinking "the cops don't have luminas do they?" but I couldn't figure out why else the car would be there. For those who don't know, bull run is a nice twisty road thus many bikers pass through there. I suspect this guy was specifically looking for bikers coming around this blind turn too fast. Luckily I was on a 454LTD (still haven't replaced my stolen sportbike) wearing an aerostich so I probably didn't look like much of a troublemaker. Troutman wrote: > > I should have mentioned it before, but the White Lumina nailed me last year > on 495. Doh! The cop is a weekend HOG guy, and didn't seem to care for > sportbikes or their riders..... > > At 11:11 AM 7/20/00 , Glenn Dysart wrote: > >First I'm sure you remember me telling about the blue > >four door Lumina I've seen off and on for the past > >year on I-495 and I-66? Well add a white one to the > >list, saw it Monday on I-66. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 00:17:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5204.mail.yahoo.com (web5204.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.85]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6L4HP817689 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721041714.2086.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.83.104] by web5204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:17:14 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:17:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: RE: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 To: vtrman@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii When I used to do some bar promotion work for some local event organizers we used to wrangle: for the 1st hour or two hours of the event: $1 domestic draft beers $2 domestic bottle (and sometimes import bottle) $3.50 mixed drinks (and/or a house "mixed drink" special or shooters) and maybe a free "happy hour" buffet..nothing fancy could be a "nacho bar" and buffalo wings Offering the "specials" in the first hour or two encouraged folks to get there a little early and get the "peak" traffic while the bar still has their full staff available if they need them. Not to overtax Mark & Chuck's generously contributed time and efforts but I had several friends that I invited ask if we "did this every week?" I told them that we didn't want to have the Bike Night events so common that people started to blow them off. But seeing as we're halfway through our Summer..I'd be interested in maybe TWO bike nights a month. Maybe one on a Sunday and another a week or two later on a Tuesday... -Corbett '99 K12RS --- Big Matty wrote: > If we made that big a difference to his Tuesday > business, then I think some > drink/appetizer specials are in order. Not that we > all need to guzzle beer > and then ride home, but I think with the turnout we > have some credibility, > and some reciprocity is in order. It would only > help the turnout even more > anyway. In fact (and this is my mba talking) if I > were the owner of the > establishment I'd be trippin' over myself to give > something like that, so > that BN4-? didn't end up at Carpool or somewhere > else. Bring it up to him > Chuck, and I bet you a plate of nacho's he's more > than willing. > Matt "can't believe I paid $4+tip for a lousy little > plastic cup of > foster's." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:13 PM > To: DC Cycles > Subject: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 > > > I just got off the phone with Kevin Grevey and > wanted to report to y'all > that he was very happy hosting Bike Night 3. We > definitely made a > difference in their business on Tuesday night. And > we are more than > welcome to come back. > > I talked to him about the motorcycle parking > situation and probably the > best we could do next time is for Kevin to work > something out with the > Shell station next door to reserve their parking > spaces (about 9). But > the chances are slim and none WRT the main shopping > center parking lot. > > We will definitely go back to Grevey's for another > Bike Night. It's > just a question of when. > > Skittles, aka Chuck > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 01:31:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6L5VS818788 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721053121.11136.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.42.23] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:31:21 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dave Yates wrote: "Is there anything that HAS gotten better post Government involvement ?" Actually, it has helped a LOT of things. While I am not gonna even come close to touching the helmet issue, I can personally vouch for boating safety. You would NOT have wanted to be a patron on some of the boats that came through my office while stationed here... some of them would have rolled over at the pier and sunk with the proposed designs and loading patterns...I am sure similar situations occur in other industries... Building architecture comes to mind...HOW many thousands die overseas from minor earthquakes when every building crumbles at a slight rumble?? Wind/ice loads?? electrical standards?? I'm not a proponent of big government, but YES there is a need for some of it. If not, greed would win over safety and many unsuspecting consumers/patrons/purchasers would be in life threatening danger without the knowledge to choose to be in the situation. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 02:00:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6L60t819342 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 02:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721060048.16910.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.42.23] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:00:48 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: RE: saturday lunch stop To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck, Skip the tasty freeze....if it's the one I am thinking, it's not a good choice for a lunch stop...A much better place, which is also VERY moto friendly, is Castigliano's (SP??) in the parking lot with Big Lots grocery store (right off 55 on the west side of town). Oh, and did I mention that the food is pretty darn good too? Reasonable prices as well... and if you speak Itallian, the help will really like you :) Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 06:03:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r14.mx.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LA3h824163 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.ac.7eb91e1 (3861); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:03:21 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday Ride To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 Where are you assembling for the Saturday ride? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 06:18:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LAIH824386 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA2300219 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39782365.EDF1B027@radix.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:13 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? References: <20000721053121.11136.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Dave Yates wrote: > "Is there anything that HAS gotten better post Government involvement > ?" I should've been a little more selective in my word choice here, but generally, there isn't much the Government can't screw up... > > Actually, it has helped a LOT of things. While I am not gonna even > come close to touching the helmet issue, I can personally vouch for > boating safety. You would NOT have wanted to be a patron on some of > the boats that came through my office while stationed here... Nor did I want to be a Patron on a cruise ship either. the rooms were smaller than my townhouse bedrooms, & they couldn't guarantee me a window by a life boat :-) some of > them would have rolled over at the pier and sunk with the proposed > designs and loading patterns...I am sure similar situations occur in > other industries... Building architecture comes to mind...HOW many > thousands die overseas from minor earthquakes when every building > crumbles at a slight rumble?? Wind/ice loads?? electrical standards?? Actually, Colin, ferrys & water taxis kill thousands every year, particularly in 3rd world-esque countries. > > I'm not a proponent of big government, but YES there is a need for some > of it. If not, greed would win over safety and many unsuspecting > consumers/patrons/purchasers would be in life threatening danger > without the knowledge to choose to be in the situation. That's true, and it's also 1 reason that we have a Federal government to begin with... > > Collin > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 07:05:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LB5q825109 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-248.patriot.net [209.249.180.248]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6LB5lO17096; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:05:47 -0400 Message-ID: <39782CD9.ECE37F7F@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:58:33 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? References: <20000721053121.11136.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well said, Collin. I could also add that motorcycles have mirrors, turn signals, and probably a few other nicities as required by fed law. The turn signal requirement was arround `70 something. Headlight on about `81. But the USCG wishes Re: boating safety will soon meet the same flak as helmet laws. How about all occupants of a small craft (size to be specied I'm sure) must wear a life vest while underway. They'll be some bitchin' about that one. Back in the good ol' days, when drownings put a dent in the population growth, one didn't even have to wear a vest while skiing! No cutoff switchs on outboards either. I look back and wonder how I survived my youth. On the water at age 11 - no vest - no cutoff switch - no clue. I could say, the hell with all those new fangled safety rules, but then I also recall a few of my mates who didn't make it. They were nice kids, no vest - no cutoff switch - no clue - but they weren't as lucky as I. Sometimes the mean ol' feds just have to stand up and say - okay, here's what you're gonna have to do... Bill Collin T. Fagan wrote: > Dave Yates wrote: > "Is there anything that HAS gotten better post Government involvement > ?" > > Actually, it has helped a LOT of things. While I am not gonna even > come close to touching the helmet issue, I can personally vouch for > boating safety. You would NOT have wanted to be a patron on some of > the boats that came through my office while stationed here... some of > them would have rolled over at the pier and sunk with the proposed > designs and loading patterns...I am sure similar situations occur in > other industries... Building architecture comes to mind...HOW many > thousands die overseas from minor earthquakes when every building > crumbles at a slight rumble?? Wind/ice loads?? electrical standards?? > > I'm not a proponent of big government, but YES there is a need for some > of it. If not, greed would win over safety and many unsuspecting > consumers/patrons/purchasers would be in life threatening danger > without the knowledge to choose to be in the situation. > > Collin From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 07:51:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LBp5825754 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from members.fcac.org (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6LBp1p11084 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? In-Reply-To: <39782CD9.ECE37F7F@patriot.net> Message-ID: Organization: Northern Virginia Internet Access Cooperative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Bill Huson wrote: > Well said, Collin. I could also add that motorcycles have mirrors, > turn signals, and probably a few other nicities as required by fed > law. The turn signal requirement was arround `70 something. Headlight > on about `81. Actually, the turn signal requirement is left to the states. VA, for instance, does not require turn signals. There may be a requirement that production vehicles have them on from the factory but once you've got the bike it's up to you. Kirk 2000 Kawasaki KLX300 (http://planetklx.dirtrider.net) 1998 Honda VTR1000 (http://members.nova.org/~kirk/Kirk1.jpg) DCOffroad - the Wash, DC area offroad e-mail list: http://www.egroups.com/community/dcoffroad From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:09:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LC9i825978 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Fbcc-00079R-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:09:42 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: riders down? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:15:30 GMT Message-ID: <397868cc.422382846@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LC9s825979 A rider on what appeared to be a red ex500 went down in VA yesterday. i think they said wearing a black leather coat and jeans. Anyone we know? Also, someone heard on the news that a rider in D.C. ran a stop sign and struck a car and died. anyone have more info on this? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:11:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LCBE825991 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21367 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA12612 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA2325156 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39783DDB.98027A57@radix.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:11:07 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Subject: Va. getting serious about speeding... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2000Jul19.html -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:11:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LCBP826001 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FbeG-0007IM-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:11:24 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: robert@XXXXXX Cc: Troutman , dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:17:12 GMT Message-ID: <3979693a.422492971@smtp.erols.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000720165442.00c2a3b0@mail.troutman.org> <3977C5EE.DA1B54A2@otaku.org> In-Reply-To: <3977C5EE.DA1B54A2@otaku.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LCBR826002 You might want to pull off that expired inspection sticker.. i'm thinking VA has no standard place it belongs on a bike? better for them to not see it, and assume it's on the other side, than it is for them to see it and know it's expired.. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:13:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LCDl826077 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FbgX-0007Vz-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:13:45 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:19:34 GMT Message-ID: <397a69cf.422641921@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000721053121.11136.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000721053121.11136.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LCDm826078 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>I'm not a proponent of big government, but YES there is a need for some |>of it. If not, greed would win over safety and many unsuspecting |>consumers/patrons/purchasers would be in life threatening danger |>without the knowledge to choose to be in the situation. In theory, CIVIL lawsuits would protect consumers. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:18:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LCIO826154 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Fbl0-0000Ak-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:18:22 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: judge sends speeders to jail (in va?) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:24:11 GMT Message-ID: <39786b0c.422959726@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LCIQ826155 http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2000Jul19.html From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:32:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LCWY826373 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-164-133-157.s157.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.157] helo=cbxturbo) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Fbyh-0007nT-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: <00bb01bff30f$d2c75100$9d85a4d8@cbxturbo> From: "Swifty" To: , References: <397868cc.422382846@smtp.erols.com> Subject: Re: riders down? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:33:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DC motorcycle death.. 24 YO RIDER ON 600 F4 ALLEGEDLY WENT THRU STOP SIGN AND T-BONED A SUV...TV SHOWED COP PICKING UP THE HELMET. BIKE HAD TEMP TAGS. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:33:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hotmail.com (f282.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.157]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LCX2826383 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 87433 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2000 12:32:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721123254.87432.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 166.32.192.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:32:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [166.32.192.143] From: "Robert Keiser" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Bike Night Poll Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:32:54 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Both sound good to me. I'm in. Rob '98 VFR From: Mark Kitchell To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Bike Night Poll Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:00:52 -0400 MC Productions (Mark and Chuck), in an effort to serve you better, would like your input on the next series of Bike Nights. Specifically, we are considering Bike Nights on the following dates at the following locations: - Tuesday, August 8th at Grevey's - Sunday, August 20th at CarPool (late afternoon) Please respond back, would you attend #1, #2, or both. Do you think every three weeks is a good schedule for Bike Nights? Soon the nice weather will be a thing of the past! Thanks Mark ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:39:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LCdC826470 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16800 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000721083841.009fdcd0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:40:14 -0400 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Jeannette Zell Subject: RE: Bike Night Poll In-Reply-To: <20000721123254.87432.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd attend both, schedule allowing. I haven't been to the Carpool one, but one thing I liked about Grevey's was there was a lot of room to mingle. No squishing inside a dank bar, ya know? More often during the summer sounds good too. : ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 > >From: Mark Kitchell >To: "'DC Cycles'" >Subject: Bike Night Poll >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:00:52 -0400 > >MC Productions (Mark and Chuck), in an effort to serve you better, would >like your input on the next series of Bike Nights. Specifically, we are >considering Bike Nights on the following dates at the following locations: > >- Tuesday, August 8th at Grevey's >- Sunday, August 20th at CarPool (late afternoon) > >Please respond back, would you attend #1, #2, or both. Do you think every >three weeks is a good schedule for Bike Nights? Soon the nice weather will >be a thing of the past! > >Thanks > >Mark >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 08:56:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LCuU826696 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721125622.24350.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.42.23] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:56:22 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:31:21 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > |>I'm not a proponent of big government, but YES there is a need for > some > |>of it. If not, greed would win over safety and many unsuspecting > |>consumers/patrons/purchasers would be in life threatening danger > |>without the knowledge to choose to be in the situation. > > In theory, CIVIL lawsuits would protect consumers. No it wouldn't. BEcause in most cases, there are too many parties involved. AT minimum, you have a designer, a materials contractor, a builder, and an operator. lawyers are far too good at shifting blame around so that the likely guilty culprit would not feel the brunt of the lawsuit. (who has the sig file about managers being like cats?? I kinda like inserting lawyers into that saying too :)) Instead, it would likely be the end operator, and the only thing that would happen is usage fees would increase, costing you the consumer/patron more money. Besides, if the incidents I'm talking about occured, civil lawsuits would destroy the industries involved, and either no one would continue providing the service, or they would have to charge so much that no one coulduse it. In most cases, it takes a major disaster before something gets done. Then all of a sudden ppl want the government to do something. I'll stick with boats, since that's what I do, but I am sure it's the same for other industries. The Titanic sank and killed LOTS of ppl in the process. Many of those folks died because tehre were not enough lifesaving apparatus (boats and jackets) for all people on board; however, the shipping company and designers were well within the law of the time. Another vessel (univers explorer, I believe, but not certain at the moment), had a fire on board. HUNDREDS died. Not because of the fire itself (it was a small one), but because of smoke. AT the time, there was no requirement to prevent dead end corridors to passenger cabins, or to have pasenger corriders have easy access to stairwells (read escape trunks). In response to tht and a couple other incidents, the RFSA ammendments to SOLAS were created. Cruise ships are MUCH safer to go on these days as a result. As I said, I know boats, not other things, but I am sure it is similar with the others. Do you *really* think passenger cars would have all the crash impact framing they do if it were not for government regulations?? Of course not. Someone in the moto industry help me out here... I am sure there are plenty of similar instances with bikes... As I said, government is like lawyers, no one wants em around until they need em. No government regulation and you'd have some good chaos going on. However, I don't htink they need to micro manage folks daily lives. Collin ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:02:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LD2I826868 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-248.patriot.net [209.249.180.248]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6LD24O26478; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: <3978481B.11114155@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:54:51 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: robert@XXXXXX, Troutman , dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... References: <4.2.0.58.20000720165442.00c2a3b0@mail.troutman.org> <3977C5EE.DA1B54A2@otaku.org> <3979693a.422492971@smtp.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, technically, the inspection sticker must be visable and attached to the frame or forks. But mine is stuck on a plate bolted to the frame. No problems. The *worst* fine in VA is not having a PP tax sticker. So much for Jimbo "vacu-head" Gilmores's no car tax BS. Bill daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > You might want to pull off that expired inspection sticker.. > > i'm thinking VA has no standard place it belongs on a bike? > > better for them to not see it, and assume it's on the other side, than > it is for them to see it and know it's expired.. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:13:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web314.mail.yahoo.com (web314.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LDDf827094 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721131334.22510.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web314.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:13:34 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:13:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Bill Huson wrote: > Yes, technically, the inspection sticker must be visable and attached to > the frame or forks. But mine is stuck on a plate bolted to the frame. > No problems. The *worst* fine in VA is not having a PP tax sticker. So > much for Jimbo "vacu-head" Gilmores's no car tax BS. > > Bill I wanted to get one of these plates, but was told (at Cycle Sports and Coleman's) that they could no longer sell them. Apparently VA thinks it would be too easy to own two bikes and one plate... just shift the plate to whichever bike you were going to ride that day. Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:21:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDLb827332 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-248.patriot.net [209.249.180.248]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6LDLWO28666; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:21:32 -0400 Message-ID: <39784CAA.272B0185@patriot.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:14:18 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Louis F. Caplan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... References: <20000721131334.22510.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yep, that's true, one could shift the plate. You could make one out of aluminum, try a sheet metal shop for a scrap. Or you could go to a *whisper* harley davidson shop. I'm sure they have them. Almost every H-D I see uses the plate. I believe they even have them in ***chrome*** :-) Bill Louis F. Caplan wrote: > --- Bill Huson wrote: > > Yes, technically, the inspection sticker must be visable and attached to > > the frame or forks. But mine is stuck on a plate bolted to the frame. > > No problems. The *worst* fine in VA is not having a PP tax sticker. So > > much for Jimbo "vacu-head" Gilmores's no car tax BS. > > > > Bill > > I wanted to get one of these plates, but was told (at Cycle Sports and > Coleman's) that they could no longer sell them. Apparently VA thinks it would > be too easy to own two bikes and one plate... just shift the plate to whichever > bike you were going to ride that day. > > Louis > > ===== > "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours > Alexandria, VA > Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 > http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:29:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDTQ827563 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21566 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3606.mail.yahoo.com (web3606.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.110]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA13780 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721132910.11315.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3606.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:29:10 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Va. getting serious about speeding... To: Dave Yates , DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A few points on the article... >To know he's going 30 miles [per hour] faster than >[other drivers] should occur to him," Campbell said in >a lecture to the entire courtroom as much as to >Joseph. "At 95, the chances of surviving a crash are >one-fifth less than at 65. What if he goes off the >shoulder or fails to notice a deer? That scares me OK, how many people in on I-81 actually do 65??? Not many that I have seen. Granted he was probably going 10 - 15 MPH faster then the rest of the flow. >You cannot, under any circumstances, maintain a >vehicle at that type of speed," Campbell continued. >"It was mere good luck for him" that nothing happened. >"It wasn't due to any skill or prudence. If anything >happened, there'd be dead kids along the side of the >road." Who can't maintain a vehicle at 95, the old geezer of a judge??? Just about every vehicle I own performs just fine at 95 MPH. I do realize braking distances are greater, reaction times do need to be faster, etc but I am very capable of maintaining a vehicle at 95 MPH. Even a mini van I rented once did 95 and was smooth and was not all over the road. I think this geezer judge needs to stop living 50 years in the past. >A bewildered Joseph, like many who find themselves >suddenly confronted with the prospect of donning an >orange jumpsuit and sitting in the slammer for the >day, opted to appeal. He'd take his chances with a >different judge. >"How could I prepare for this?" he asked almost >bemusedly of his courtroom experience. >For the last three years, Campbell has regularly >locked up speeders. Those who have been stopped by a >trooper and sent on their way with a ticket might be >interested to know that under Virginia law they >can--though it's unusual--go to jail for 12 months and >be fined $2,500 for speeding offenses that constitute >reckless driving. Any speed higher than 80 mph and, >generally, anything more than 20 mph over the speed >limit is considered reckless. >Drivers clocked in the high 80s in a 65 MPH zone >usually receive up to six days in jail from Campbell. >Above 90, jail time is normally a foregone conclusion. >Regardless, any speeder who comes before Campbell is >required to look at a ghastly photo of a speeding car >that was split into four pieces after crashing. This is the exact reason to get a lawyer for Reckless, don't be cheap when it comes to this type of offense. I've heard from Carleton there is at least one judge in Fairfax that gives jail time for speeds in excess of 90. Pretty scary that's for sure. >Tractor-trailers go through the mountains and their >speed goes down when they go uphill, and they let it >fly on the way down," Branscom said. "We have vehicles >changing pace all the time. That seems to be a big >part of the problem." To me this IS the problem with I-81, too many damn trucks. Bottom line is they are never going to stop people from speeding on Interstates and to me they are blowing it way out of proportion anyway. I want to know how they are linking peoples speed to the cause of the accidents. So when is the DC Sportbike crowd headed down there? :-) Glenn --- Dave Yates wrote: > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10278-2000Jul19.html > > > -- > 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' > Dave Yates > '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' > SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA > http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ > Systems Programmer > (301) 496-3760 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:29:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDTR827564 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.102]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15505; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39787B9B.D0CFB27E@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:34:35 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: BryanRoach@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fred, If you live in/near Arlington, I'm heading out from the parking lot behind the Rosslyn Amoco (Wilson Blvd. and Quinn St.) at 8:15am. Otherwise, meet up at the Sheetz in Haymarket (55 and 15) and 9am. Cheers, Chuck Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > Where are you assembling for the Saturday ride? > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:31:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDVs827747 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.102]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05920; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39787C38.42C63FEE@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:37:12 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BryanRoach@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: <5b.8daad6c.26a917b4@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roach, Cool! %^) Maybe I can put you in charge of the fast group! %^) And other people can lead rides and start them whenever they want! But since I'm "in charge", it's on my personal schedule. Y'know, you can kick my ass up, down, and sideways on a m/c, but you sure are a whiner! %^) Skittles BryanRoach@XXXXXX wrote: > > BTW... I'll be there on Sat morning. > > (And why is it that all motorcycle rides seem to start at god-awfull times of > the morning?? I mean... it's doesn't get dark till 9pm during the summer for > crying out loud!) > > - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:35:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDZD827850 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.102]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07873; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39787CFF.909ABA3A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:40:31 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janey Cohen/Kurt Slawson CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Saturday Ride References: <01BFF29C.DEF0B480@ppp-boonet2-194.boo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kurt, Ride starting point is the Sheetz in Haymarket (55 and 15) with everyone meeting at 9am. Hopefully, that means we'll be on the road and riding NLT 9:15am. I'm heading out from Arlington (parking lot behind the Rosslyn Amoco, Wilson Blvd. and Quinn St.) at 8:15am. Cheers, Chuck Janey Cohen/Kurt Slawson wrote: > > Chuck, the digest I received for Wednesday got truncated, which means > that I missed a good portion of the > smokers/helmets/government-regulation-is-bad/the-country-is-going-to-hell > conversation. Thank God. But, more importantly, I missed the details for > Saturday's ride. What's the plan? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:37:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDbb827912 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Fczc-0003wI-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:37:33 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: "Collin T. Fagan" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:43:20 GMT Message-ID: <39787790.426163384@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000721125622.24350.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000721125622.24350.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LDbd827914 On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 05:56:22 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>> In theory, CIVIL lawsuits would protect consumers. |> |>No it wouldn't. BEcause in most cases, there are too many parties |>involved. AT minimum, you have a designer, a materials contractor, a |>builder, and an operator. lawyers are far too good at shifting blame |>around so that the likely guilty culprit would not feel the brunt of |>the lawsuit. (who has the sig file about managers being like cats?? I |>kinda like inserting lawyers into that saying too :)) Instead, it |>would likely be the end operator, and the only thing that would happen |>is usage fees would increase, costing you the consumer/patron more |>money. No that company would go out of business. Then the next company would safeguard against making the same mistake. |>Besides, if the incidents I'm talking about occured, civil lawsuits |>would destroy the industries involved, and either no one would continue |>providing the service, or they would have to charge so much that no one |>coulduse it. I doubt it. Industries are there to make money. If there is money to be made, someone will make it. If the current company can't build a boat right, there will be a compnay who will build them to suitable , to make the money. It's kind of weird to say boats wouldn't be made (or made safer) if the gov't didn't impose standards. Technology advances wether or not gov't mandates it. Civil lawsuits do refine consumer products and safety. I'm sure mcdonalds coffee isn't so hot now. I'm sure screwdrivers are made to be shatterproof, and automobiles are designed not to combust, all from lawsuits. Oh and seat belts were refined, based on lawsuits. |>incidents, the RFSA ammendments to SOLAS were created. Cruise ships |>are MUCH safer to go on these days as a result. I will concede that gov't does improve the quality of some things... but let's say another titanic designed boat was made, and people died in that one. You could bet there would be grounds for negligence. You could also bet boats would stop being made like that, wether or not there were gov't regulations on it. It would also probably be a crime, to create a dangerous vehicle, which the creater knew it would create such a catastorphe. |>As I said, I know boats, not other things, but I am sure it is similar |>with the others. Do you *really* think passenger cars would have all |>the crash impact framing they do if it were not for government |>regulations?? Of course not. Someone in the moto industry help me out Yes I do. After a lawsuit. Fact of the matter is, Gov't makes regulations after people get hurt.. so it might as well be a civil law suit. |>As I said, government is like lawyers, no one wants em around until |>they need em. No government regulation and you'd have some good chaos |>going on. However, I don't htink they need to micro manage folks daily |>lives. I think most of us on the list agree, we dont' need some huge monster of a government in our lives. I believe gov't should protect the little guy from the big guy. Not anyone from themselves. I really would like the legal system/laws/regulations simpliefied. It's pretty ridiculous.. we don't enforce the current laws but create more. I'm all for a cop on every corner, and removal of the NEA. Gov't is pretty damn ridiculous. On one hand we've got volient kids creating crimes, and not enough police, yet we have them spending money on art, and statues. I think we all want effiecient, gov't. Not anarchy. But I stand by my statement, civil lawsuits protect consumers. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDbe827922 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.102]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA04256; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39787D94.E9A20599@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:43:00 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 References: <000501bff2a2$d7da60a0$361c5aa6@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt, Great minds think alike! %^) All this is being discussed with both Grevey's and CarPool for future Bike Nights. But thanks for the MBA input! %^) Cheers, Chuck Big Matty wrote: > > If we made that big a difference to his Tuesday business, then I think some > drink/appetizer specials are in order. Not that we all need to guzzle beer > and then ride home, but I think with the turnout we have some credibility, > and some reciprocity is in order. It would only help the turnout even more > anyway. In fact (and this is my mba talking) if I were the owner of the > establishment I'd be trippin' over myself to give something like that, so > that BN4-? didn't end up at Carpool or somewhere else. Bring it up to him > Chuck, and I bet you a plate of nacho's he's more than willing. > Matt "can't believe I paid $4+tip for a lousy little plastic cup of > foster's." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:46:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hqmail.usda.gov (hqmail.usda.gov [199.128.3.90]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDkj828320 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3) id JAA27698; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=wsc.ag.gov.203.1/C=us/;000721094604] Content-Identifier: RE: Protest UA-Content-Id: RE: Protest Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: 3 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:20:08 -0400 Received: by hqmail.usda.gov; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:20:11 -0400 Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.1; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:20:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:20:11 -0400 From: "Custer, Carl" Subject: RE: Protest To: "'daniel(u)ex250(a)flashmail.com(p)inter2'" Cc: "'DCCy'" Message-Id: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetJunction 4.7-p2)/MIME > |>Coupla thoughts re the protest ride supporting the MD "Rocket Rider" > thing: [Carl sez] daniel_ex250 said," > It's my feeling that is the general goal.. to show just how ludicrous > the speed limit is, and how ludicrous the rocket roundup is. How ludicrous it is, to drive in a manner following the law. Sure it will > be dangerous, but so is riding. We are hoping there will be cages to > protect the bikes from tail gating. If traffic is backed up, then > there will be a lot less aggressive driving, if there is no room to > weave in and out of lanes by the cagers.. so in a way.. it might make > the highway safer. [Carl sez] Umm, not in my experience. The duffus' held up will expend their frustration, hopefully by only lead-footing it after the protest ride. I've seen an ambulance, lights flashing, trudging down the beltway at 60-65, with a stack of cages behind it -- because it was going too slow for them. After the ambulance exited, the cages floorboarded it. Same with the occasional police car(s) pacing down the beltway. The maniacs* aren't going to take out their frustration on an official vehicle and likely not on a bunch of bikes -- dunno about one or two with a 55 tee shirt. A bunch of following cages with a 55 poster in their window would be both a good buffer and a signal to the duffus' that it ain't just bikes. God bless and take care. Whoa, if we agreed on the rest, then are we a movement? Hmmm, "You can get anything you want . . ." Carl in Bethesda. *Everyone who drives faster than me is a maniac; all who drive slower are idiots. [Carl sez] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:50:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from oak.us.pw.com ([12.26.159.122]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LDoA828436 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA13422; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:49:27 -0400 From: Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.26.104.83) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma012047; Fri, 21 Jul 00 09:48:32 -0400 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FY1001ZHVSIR4@XXXXXX>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id 85256923.004BF52A ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:49:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:47:18 -0400 Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? To: Bill Huson Cc: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256923.004BE929.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: AMERICAS-US@INTL I respectfully disagree. Here's why ... I think Colin's last paragraph summed up my beliefs. > I'm not a proponent of big government, but YES there is a need for some > of it. If not, greed would win over safety and many unsuspecting > consumers/patrons/purchasers would be in life threatening danger > without the knowledge to choose to be in the situation. Case in point, I like the fact that the FDA certifies the meat I buy at the store. That is a benefit that is regulates something that is out of my control as a consumer. As far as boat life vests and MC helmets, I think folks can understand the risks and make a decision for themselves. It may not be the decision you or I agree with, but hey, they have a right to choose for themselves. This reasoning, of course goes out the window for minors. Child helmet laws for MCs or Bicycles, child safety seats and seat belt laws, and child labor laws are, in my opinion, fine. I think the threshold should be whether or not adults can reasonably understand the risks and make the decision for themselves. Cars, helmets, boats fall into this category in my opinion, building codes, food safety, asbestos, etc. do not. YMMV, --chris Bill Huson on 07/21/2000 06:58:33 AM To: "Collin T. Fagan" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? Well said, Collin. I could also add that motorcycles have mirrors, turn signals, and probably a few other nicities as required by fed law. The turn signal requirement was arround `70 something. Headlight on about `81. But the USCG wishes Re: boating safety will soon meet the same flak as helmet laws. How about all occupants of a small craft (size to be specied I'm sure) must wear a life vest while underway. They'll be some bitchin' about that one. Back in the good ol' days, when drownings put a dent in the population growth, one didn't even have to wear a vest while skiing! No cutoff switchs on outboards either. I look back and wonder how I survived my youth. On the water at age 11 - no vest - no cutoff switch - no clue. I could say, the hell with all those new fangled safety rules, but then I also recall a few of my mates who didn't make it. They were nice kids, no vest - no cutoff switch - no clue - but they weren't as lucky as I. Sometimes the mean ol' feds just have to stand up and say - okay, here's what you're gonna have to do... Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:56:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hqmail.usda.gov (hqmail.usda.gov [199.128.3.90]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDtv828574 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3) id JAA01399; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=wsc.ag.gov.203.1/C=us/;000721095543] Content-Identifier: turn signals UA-Content-Id: turn signals Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: 3 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:30:11 -0400 Received: by hqmail.usda.gov; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:30:15 -0400 Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.1; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:30:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 9:30:15 -0400 From: "Custer, Carl" Subject: turn signals To: "Custer, Carl" , "'/S=dysart(a)bigfoot.com/O=INTER2/P=GOV+USDA/A=ATTMAIL/C=US/'" , "daniel(u)ex250(a)flashmail.com(p)inter2" Cc: "'DCCy'" Message-Id: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetJunction 4.7-p2)/MIME > The idea of people signaling well in advance is a > great idea but around here reality is that when you > put your turn signal on you'd better be prepared to > move it ASAP. If you don't move it quick, more then > half the time the person in the other lane will speed > up and close the gap. It sux but people do it. > > Glenn [Carl sez] At's yer Nawthun Virginny drivers fer ya. Here in Merrylun, it's only a third of the time. :^) In West (by God) Virginny and southern Ohio, they'll make room fer ya 95 % of the time. Kinda makes you wonder whether urbane is synonymous with barbaric, rural with civilized. Carl in Bethesda (~49%) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 09:56:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LDuW828620 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va25-38.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.102]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22468; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397881E4.9DA6609C@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:01:24 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saturday lunch stop References: <20000721060048.16910.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Collin (or anyone else)... If we're coming into Front Royal from the northwest via 55 and over the river on 340 south, how do we get to Castigliano's??? Thanx! Chuck P.S. And yes, I speak rudimentary Italian! %^) "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Chuck, > Skip the tasty freeze....if it's the one I am thinking, it's not a good > choice for a lunch stop...A much better place, which is also VERY moto > friendly, is Castigliano's (SP??) in the parking lot with Big Lots > grocery store (right off 55 on the west side of town). Oh, and did I > mention that the food is pretty darn good too? Reasonable prices as > well... and if you speak Itallian, the help will really like you :) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:02:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web4601.mail.yahoo.com (web4601.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.156]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LE2Y828848 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721140226.16797.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.151.86.2] by web4601.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:02:26 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kirk Roy Reply-To: kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: has govn't reg helped anything?? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No moto content below... --- christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Case in point, I like the fact that the FDA certifies the meat I > buy at the store. Actually, that's USDA, not FDA. To generalize, where food is concerned, FDA does processed foods, seafood, and imports (www.fda.gov is actually a pretty good site with lots of consumer info). Your argument does apply to drugs, which are well beyond the scope of any but those who've spent years studying them (most MDs have very limited knowledge of the drugs they're dispensing - you really should read the package insert and the sheets the pharmacies give with the drugs and get the pharmacist to explain potential things you don't understand). Kirk, computer guy at FDA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:19:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LEJE829475 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14478; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000072110185623:34807 ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:18:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39785C45.81CB97F4@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:20:54 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Corbett B CC: vtrman@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 References: <20000721041714.2086.qmail@web5204.mail.yahoo.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/21/2000 10:18:58 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/21/2000 10:18:58 AM, Serialize complete at 07/21/2000 10:18:58 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Here here! I agree, an extended happy hour of some sort would be mucho-cool! Also, I totally dig the Sunday afternoons.... ENJOY the nice sunny weather! And it's easier getting up in the AM when you're home at 9, instead of 11 (yeah, so what if I'm gettin old?!). ;-) -Kristina Corbett B wrote: > When I used to do some bar promotion work for some > local event organizers we used to wrangle: > > for the 1st hour or two hours of the event: > $1 domestic draft beers > $2 domestic bottle (and sometimes import bottle) > $3.50 mixed drinks (and/or a house "mixed drink" > special or shooters) > > and maybe a free "happy hour" buffet..nothing fancy > could be a "nacho bar" and buffalo wings > > Offering the "specials" in the first hour or two > encouraged folks to get there a little early and get > the "peak" traffic while the bar still has their full > staff available if they need them. > > Not to overtax Mark & Chuck's generously contributed > time and efforts but I had several friends that I > invited ask if we "did this every week?" I told them > that we didn't want to have the Bike Night events so > common that people started to blow them off. But > seeing as we're halfway through our Summer..I'd be > interested in maybe TWO bike nights a month. Maybe one > on a Sunday and another a week or two later on a > Tuesday... > > -Corbett '99 K12RS > > --- Big Matty wrote: > > If we made that big a difference to his Tuesday > > business, then I think some > > drink/appetizer specials are in order. Not that we > > all need to guzzle beer > > and then ride home, but I think with the turnout we > > have some credibility, > > and some reciprocity is in order. It would only > > help the turnout even more > > anyway. In fact (and this is my mba talking) if I > > were the owner of the > > establishment I'd be trippin' over myself to give > > something like that, so > > that BN4-? didn't end up at Carpool or somewhere > > else. Bring it up to him > > Chuck, and I bet you a plate of nacho's he's more > > than willing. > > Matt "can't believe I paid $4+tip for a lousy little > > plastic cup of > > foster's." > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chuck Pena [mailto:cvkgpena@XXXXXX] > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:13 PM > > To: DC Cycles > > Subject: Grevey's very happy with Bike Night 3 > > > > > > I just got off the phone with Kevin Grevey and > > wanted to report to y'all > > that he was very happy hosting Bike Night 3. We > > definitely made a > > difference in their business on Tuesday night. And > > we are more than > > welcome to come back. > > > > I talked to him about the motorcycle parking > > situation and probably the > > best we could do next time is for Kevin to work > > something out with the > > Shell station next door to reserve their parking > > spaces (about 9). But > > the chances are slim and none WRT the main shopping > > center parking lot. > > > > We will definitely go back to Grevey's for another > > Bike Night. It's > > just a question of when. > > > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:20:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mongoose.slip.net (nfeed1.sntccaidc.firstworld.net [216.127.92.117]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LEK2829556 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.slip.net ([207.171.193.17] helo=slip-3.slip.net) by mongoose.slip.net with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 13FdeF-0002DH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:19:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:19:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Hugh Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 In-Reply-To: <3977725F.470BA3FB@cox.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Did anyone happen to catch the name of the Purcellvile HMM? On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Larry Meyer wrote: > The scary part is that HMM was going to be lying through his teeth > > > > Turns out that the HMM (High Muckey Muck) of Purcellville Po-lice was out and > > about that day, and was the person who instigated the chase (such as it was - > > we WERE stopped at a stop sign, after all) after he saw a group of > > motorcyclists speeding through Purcellville and turning onto 690. (The HMM > > was there in person to testify). > > > > Y'all be careful out there, now > > > > Michael J. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek Simpleton#9 ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:37:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web313.mail.yahoo.com (web313.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.78]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LEbu800192 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721143748.5570.qmail@web313.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.42.23] by web313.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:37:48 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:37:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: saturday lunch stop To: Chuck Pena Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, adl64@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Someone else will likely have to give detailed directions. If I were there I could thread over to it, but can't articulate directions... Basically though, just head south and west till you get to where 55 enters town from the west. Big Lots shopping center is on the south side of the road behind a gas station, 7-11, and I believe KFC (or some other fast food joint). Castigliano's is along the south row of shops. Collin --- Chuck Pena wrote: > Collin (or anyone else)... > > If we're coming into Front Royal from the northwest via 55 and over > the > river on 340 south, how do we get to Castigliano's??? Thanx! > > Chuck > > P.S. And yes, I speak rudimentary Italian! %^) ===== Collin T. Fagan DC-Cycles Racing http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ Proudly sponsored by: Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) Dixie Cycles Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:46:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (mtk-mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.50.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LEkb800361 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mitretek.org (mail1.mitretek.org [206.241.49.31]) by mtk-mail1.mitretek.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15832; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mitretek.org ([206.241.172.18]) by mail1.mitretek.org (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000072110462800:35078 ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:46:28 -0400 Message-ID: <397862C0.9624DC06@mitretek.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:48:32 -0400 From: "Kristina M. Rogish" Organization: Mitretek Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Pena CC: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: saturday lunch stop References: <20000721060048.16910.qmail@web314.mail.yahoo.com> <397881E4.9DA6609C@ix.netcom.com> X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/21/2000 10:46:28 AM, Serialize by Router on Mail1/Mitretek Systems(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/21/2000 10:46:28 AM, Serialize complete at 07/21/2000 10:46:28 AM Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chuck Pena wrote: > P.S. And yes, I speak rudimentary Italian! %^) Me too!!!!!.... pepperoni, mozarella, parmesan-a....... ;-) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:48:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LEmp800371 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 1.46.8644f87 (4328); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:48:31 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <46.8644f87.26a9bcbe@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:48:30 EDT Subject: Re: Other VA police vehicles... To: bhuson@XXXXXX, daniel_ex250@XXXXXX CC: robert@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX, dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 7/21/00 9:03:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bhuson@XXXXXX writes: > The *worst* fine in VA is not having a PP tax sticker ::shrug:: I forgot to put mine in my truck, and happened to have one of fairfax's finest notice last week... had a $25 ticket on my windshield. I paid it, and then promptly put the sticker in ($25 is not worth the time it would take to fight it) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:49:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web3607.mail.yahoo.com (web3607.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.111]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LEng800381 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721144931.25011.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.208.3.64] by web3607.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:49:31 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 07:49:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Dysart Reply-To: dysart@XXXXXX Subject: Re: The Loudoun 9 To: Hugh Caldwell , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Don't know his name but he is supposedly the Chief of Police. Glenn --- Hugh Caldwell wrote: > > Did anyone happen to catch the name of the > Purcellvile HMM? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 10:58:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (gigue.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.14]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LEvv800536 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peabody.jhu.edu (crash.peabody.jhu.edu [128.220.102.100]) by peabody.jhu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05801 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39786526.78A89D9E@peabody.jhu.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:58:47 -0400 From: "Steven C. Di Pietro" Organization: Peabody Institute of The Johns Hopkins University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D.C.Cycles-L" Subject: Stirring the pot Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's something I think the politically aware members of this list might like. I hear it's a new site. http://www.supremecourtus.gov Steven C. Di Pietro Assistant National Director Suzuki Owners Club USA http://www.soc-usa.org From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 11:27:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web614.mail.yahoo.com (web614.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.104.83]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LFQw800938 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721152651.11605.qmail@web614.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.109.94] by web614.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:26:51 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Combat Tourer Subject: Re: [mofos] Fwd: Nolan Helmets To: wsdymf@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: v4mofo@XXXXXX, adl64@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Damn this tempting. Especially at that price! My next flip up will have the ability to easily swap out the face shield as I am tired of wearing dark sunglasses and having that racoon look all the time. The Nolans are nice but a little heavier than the Shoei. If they had the quick release for the face-shield I might try one out. Anyone know what kind of head the Nolan favors (Shoei, Arai)? Todd --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Hey all.. this looks like an awesome price on the > nolan flip face > helmet...Duane has been selling me ALL of my racing > helmets and he's > done me very well on them and other things I've > bought. And > apparently, he's treated other listers tht I have > referred very well > also. Please tell him I said howdy if you give him > a call. > > Collin > > > --- aloetran@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Hey yM-^Rall, > > > > I hate to advertise on e-mail but this was a good > deal I thought > > yM-^Rall > > might be interested in a Nolan N100 at a > > great price. Our supplier of Nolan helmets is > overstocked on some > > sizes > > and colors and we are passing the > > savings along to you. They are new, still in the > box, has never been > > worn or tried on. The Nolan N100 is > > comparable to the Shoei Duotec and Syncrotec. > > > > The Nolan N100 Trend helmets are available in > white, sliver and > > wineberry. The vent on top is black (the photo > > does not show it as black). > > The Nolan N100 Classic (vent is the color of the > helmet) is available > > in > > red. > > There are only a couple of black helmets > available in XXL. > > > > Both N100 styles has these features: > > > > M-' Innovative, patented front-lifting system > designed for touring and > > dedicated street riders > > M-' Molded Lexan shell > > M-' Stylish, compact wind-tunnel tested design > > M-' "High-Brite" painting system offers long-term > good looks and > > durability > > M-' Features JSW (Jet Stream Wing), NolanM-^Rs patented > air conditioning > > system > > M-' M-^SMicrolockM-^T retention system > > M-' Interior is "sanitized" with anti-microbial > treatment > > M-' Removable wind protector/breath deflector > > M-' GE Lexan face shield > > M-' DOT certified system > > > > These helmets retail at $199.99 M-^V Sale price, > while supplies last, > > $128.00 plus shipping to you. > > > > If you have any questions or need help with > sizing, please e-mail me. > > > > Yvonne > > Dixie Cycle > > 318-368-3172 > > > > Please tell your riding partners! > > > > There is a limited supply, ater these - there will > be no more! > > > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wish you had something rad to add to your email? > We do at www.supersig.com. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6810/7/_/612968/_/964016688/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 11:51:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from hqmail.usda.gov (hqmail.usda.gov [199.128.3.90]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LFpd801401 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from x400@localhost) by hqmail.usda.gov (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3) id LAA15035; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-MTS-Identifier: [/P=GOV+USDA/A=wsc.ag.gov.203.1/C=us/;000721115118] Content-Identifier: turn signals UA-Content-Id: turn signals Autoforwarded: FALSE Priority: 3 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Personal Received: by ATTMAIL; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:22 -0400 Received: by hqmail.usda.gov; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:31 -0400 Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.1; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:31 -0400 From: "Custer, Carl" Subject: turn signals To: "'daniel(u)ex250(a)flashmail.com(p)inter2'" , "/S=dysart(a)bigfoot.com/O=INTER2/P=GOV+USDA/A=ATTMAIL/C=US/" Cc: "'DCCy'" Message-Id: X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetJunction 4.7-p2)/MIME Daniel claimed, " That's true.. but if you plan to get over way in advance, you can let > that guy go. When driving, I try to signal in advance and wait a > second or two (or 3). I try to drive like that, and surprisingly, > lately, cars have let me over. > > The message i guess is... use your signals like you're supposed to.. > other wise why use them? just contribute to the problem, continue to > set a bad example, and someone else will do the same, and somewhere > down the line some rider will die from drivers who want to 'be in > reality' and play "that's my spot" games cuz "i have to hurry up and > not yeild to the next car". So, courtesy is catching; rudeness is a plague? Sounds like sig material From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 12:20:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LGKF802051 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22330 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helix.nih.gov (helix.nih.gov [128.231.2.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17811 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radix.net (dhcp165112139175.cit.nih.gov [165.112.139.175]) by helix.nih.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA2526900 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3978783A.FB96B207@radix.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:20:10 -0400 From: Dave Yates X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Va. getting serious about speeding... References: <20000721132910.11315.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glenn Dysart wrote: > Who can't maintain a vehicle at 95, the old geezer of > a judge??? Just about every vehicle I own performs > just fine at 95 MPH. I do realize braking distances > are greater, reaction times do need to be faster, etc > but I am very capable of maintaining a vehicle at 95 > MPH. Even a mini van I rented once did 95 and was > smooth and was not all over the road. I think this > geezer judge needs to stop living 50 years in the > past. He should be off the bench entirely. I have a friend that was a deputy in Loudon. There are far too many pedophiles getting probation TO SEND ANY FREAKIN' ONE TO JAIL FOR ANY SPEEDING INFRACTION that doesn't result in injury or fatality, period. What a nit wit concept, jail the speeders, let the felons walk... > To me this IS the problem with I-81, too many damn > trucks. Well, they pay taxes too... > > Bottom line is they are never going to stop people > from speeding on Interstates They would be ok if they raised the speed limit to what is reasonable, not the ridiculous limit there now... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 12:30:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LGUv802238 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:30:49 -0400 Message-Id: <200007211230.AA89260478@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "List-dc cycles" Subject: Honda mc airbag system X-Mailer: Honda motorcycle airbag system http://www.sae.org/automag/techbriefs_06-00/06.htm From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 12:34:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LGYe802266 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.111]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19503; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3978A70E.453C2595@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:39:58 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Laura Granato Subject: Saturday ride - new lunch stop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lots of cooks helping to stir the pot for our lunch stop tomorrow! First it was the Royal Diary. Then the (former) Tastee Freeze. We are now nixing the Tastee Freeze in favor of... Castiglia Family Eatery 328 Remount Rd. Front Royal (540) 635-8815 DIRECTIONS (after turning R on 55 from 678) 55 to Front Royal R on 340 (south) over Shenandoah River into Front Royal Follow signs for 522 and take 522 through Front Royal Cross over 55 Castigilia should be about 200-300 meters past 55 on the lefthand side From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 12:44:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from aw161.netaddress.usa.net (aw161.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LGik802462 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21458 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2000 16:44:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721164443.21457.qmail@aw161.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.61 by aw161 for [162.70.119.107] via web-mailer(34FM1.5A.01A) on Fri Jul 21 16:44:43 GMT 2000 Date: 21 Jul 00 12:44:43 EDT From: Linda Tanner To: Subject: Re: Va. getting serious about speeding... X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.5A.01A) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LGio802463 Well, it was something of a shock to see the name of the county where this is happening, as I (and two co-conspirators), got speeding and reckless tickets on 81 there in 98. We were on a high speed run back from Deal's Gap, and you know the story. They must have changed the rules, as I didn't show up at court, just paid the fine and got the bad news. I think he got us for 83 in a 65. Whew - it coulda been much worse (he missed the wild passes and triple digits speeds) AND we coulda ended up in jail!! Not wanting to be anyone's bitch (well, maybe in a different context...) LindaT. Springfield, VA, USA 99 R1100RT Mr. Buzzy 95 F3 Purple Haze (67K miles and counting) 00 KLR250 Tenzing http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 12:45:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LGjl802541 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA22408 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fulcrum ([204.70.128.22]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18451 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.ie.cw.net ([204.70.128.53]) by cw.net (PMDF V5.2-32 #43876) with ESMTP id <0FY200LCQ3W17J@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-gw.ie.cw.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <36R32WB1>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:45:55 -0400 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:45:20 -0400 From: "Ledford, Calvin" Subject: RE: Va. getting serious about speeding... To: "'Dave Yates'" Cc: DC-Cycles Message-id: <38F61FDBC3A9D211BADF0090272AC6800F99F3@resie03.ie.cw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As someone who received a "Reckless driving" charge on 81, let me assure that they mean business out there. I'm a former LEO (police officer and told the trooper that at the time) and moved to VA about 3 years ago after I moved into the IT field. I never knew that in VA ANYTHING over 80 is AUTOMATICALLY reckless driving. Got popped by a trooper on 81 doing a said 87 in a 65. I was driving a rental car and am not sure about 87 but I was doing at least 80. I called a local attorney who advised me that the charge was a misdemeanor, and *could* carry a short visit in the county jail. (Shenandoah in this case.) He did state that it was unlikely -- but that suspension (30 days) was guaranteed. I retained council to be on the safe side. Total cost was 500 retainer, 50 traffic school, 150 fine/court costs = you do the math. That was after the attorney got the trooper and Commonwealth's attorney to bump the charge down to 10-19 over. They don't play in those rural county's along 81. I was told that for the next SEVERAL YEARS the VSP would be cracking down out there due to the high speed, trucks, and number of serious accidents. I was also told that the local judges are cracking down as well due to several LOCAL (stuff we never heard about) high profile cases where local residents were killed in fatal accidents by speeding out of towners. -Calvin Ledford '00VFR800FI -----Original Message----- From: Dave Yates [mailto:sdave@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 12:20 PM Cc: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: Va. getting serious about speeding... Glenn Dysart wrote: > Who can't maintain a vehicle at 95, the old geezer of > a judge??? Just about every vehicle I own performs > just fine at 95 MPH. I do realize braking distances > are greater, reaction times do need to be faster, etc > but I am very capable of maintaining a vehicle at 95 > MPH. Even a mini van I rented once did 95 and was > smooth and was not all over the road. I think this > geezer judge needs to stop living 50 years in the > past. He should be off the bench entirely. I have a friend that was a deputy in Loudon. There are far too many pedophiles getting probation TO SEND ANY FREAKIN' ONE TO JAIL FOR ANY SPEEDING INFRACTION that doesn't result in injury or fatality, period. What a nit wit concept, jail the speeders, let the felons walk... > To me this IS the problem with I-81, too many damn > trucks. Well, they pay taxes too... > > Bottom line is they are never going to stop people > from speeding on Interstates They would be ok if they raised the speed limit to what is reasonable, not the ridiculous limit there now... -- 'Nitrous. It's not just for dentists anymore' Dave Yates '97 Cobra #5148 /'90 ZX11'Acceleratus Maximus' SCOA #1042 / SCMC #265 / NMA / AMA http://www.radix.net/~sdave/ Systems Programmer (301) 496-3760 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 13:07:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LH7F802920 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va21-47.ix.netcom.com [207.223.181.111]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10472; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3978AEB2.CF29FDD7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:12:34 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles CC: Laura Granato Subject: Casiglia is on left side, not right Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both Anita and Louis Caplan have informed me that Castiglia Italian Eatery will be on the left side after we cross 55. In my defense, the red star on the map link that Louis sent me was distinctly on the right side -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it! For those that have a route sheet, please note this correction. Skittles, aka Chuck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 14:14:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web904.mail.yahoo.com (web904.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.79]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LIE1804157 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9892 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2000 18:13:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721181355.9891.qmail@web904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.229.31.22] by web904.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:13:55 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:13:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: [mofos] Fwd: Nolan Helmets To: Combat Tourer , wsdymf@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: v4mofo@XXXXXX, adl64@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a Shoei RF200 before I got my Nolan, they're about the same shape, both needed to have the forehead area compressed a bit. Leon. --- Combat Tourer wrote: > Damn this tempting. Especially at that price! My > next flip up will have the ability to easily swap > out > the face shield as I am tired of wearing dark > sunglasses and having that racoon look all the time. > > The Nolans are nice but a little heavier than the > Shoei. If they had the quick release for the > face-shield I might try one out. Anyone know what > kind of head the Nolan favors (Shoei, Arai)? > > Todd > > --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > > Hey all.. this looks like an awesome price on the > > nolan flip face > > helmet...Duane has been selling me ALL of my > racing > > helmets and he's > > done me very well on them and other things I've > > bought. And > > apparently, he's treated other listers tht I have > > referred very well > > also. Please tell him I said howdy if you give > him > > a call. > > > > Collin > > > > > > --- aloetran@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey yM-^Rall, > > > > > > I hate to advertise on e-mail but this was a > good > > deal I thought > > > yM-^Rall > > > might be interested in a Nolan N100 at a > > > great price. Our supplier of Nolan helmets is > > overstocked on some > > > sizes > > > and colors and we are passing the > > > savings along to you. They are new, still in > the > > box, has never been > > > worn or tried on. The Nolan N100 is > > > comparable to the Shoei Duotec and Syncrotec. > > > > > > The Nolan N100 Trend helmets are available in > > white, sliver and > > > wineberry. The vent on top is black (the photo > > > does not show it as black). > > > The Nolan N100 Classic (vent is the color of the > > helmet) is available > > > in > > > red. > > > There are only a couple of black helmets > > available in XXL. > > > > > > Both N100 styles has these features: > > > > > > M-' Innovative, patented front-lifting system > > designed for touring and > > > dedicated street riders > > > M-' Molded Lexan shell > > > M-' Stylish, compact wind-tunnel tested design > > > M-' "High-Brite" painting system offers long-term > > good looks and > > > durability > > > M-' Features JSW (Jet Stream Wing), NolanM-^Rs > patented > > air conditioning > > > system > > > M-' M-^SMicrolockM-^T retention system > > > M-' Interior is "sanitized" with anti-microbial > > treatment > > > M-' Removable wind protector/breath deflector > > > M-' GE Lexan face shield > > > M-' DOT certified system > > > > > > These helmets retail at $199.99 M-^V Sale price, > > while supplies last, > > > $128.00 plus shipping to you. > > > > > > If you have any questions or need help with > > sizing, please e-mail me. > > > > > > Yvonne > > > Dixie Cycle > > > 318-368-3172 > > > > > > Please tell your riding partners! > > > > > > There is a limited supply, ater these - there > will > > be no more! > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Collin T. Fagan > > DC-Cycles Racing > > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > > Proudly sponsored by: > > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > > Dixie Cycles > > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from > > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Wish you had something rad to add to your email? > > We do at www.supersig.com. > > > http://click.egroups.com/1/6810/7/_/612968/_/964016688/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 15:25:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailhost.edgemail.com (mailhost.edgemail.com [63.196.161.7]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LJPT805521 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedric (smtp.ncea.org [12.4.21.97] (may be forged)) by mailhost.edgemail.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LJQJ400897 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:26:20 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Cedric Bernescut" To: Subject: RE: Saturday Ride Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:22:27 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bff349$027d6e00$770810ac@cedric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <5b.8daad6c.26a917b4@aol.com> Importance: Normal Too true, some of us are up late on Friday um, studying ;) Cedric -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:04 PM To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday Ride BTW... I'll be there on Sat morning. (And why is it that all motorcycle rides seem to start at god-awfull times of the morning?? I mean... it's doesn't get dark till 9pm during the summer for crying out loud!) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 15:48:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LJmc805945 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721194911.22703.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:49:11 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Protest To: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:53 EDT, you wrote: > > > Good idea to me. I already checkmarked the organ > donor box. I like the > idea. "you wanna kill yourself, go ahead, some kid > could use your > kidneys" > I checked mine too... but i have some secondary thoughts of doing so.... i keep thinking... if i have a bad accident... what would happen in the hospitalM-^Rs ER... asst- "Dr we have a critical patient" dr.- "Ok folks let's resuscitate him" asst- "Dr he's an organ donor" dr.-...mmm how much are organs going for now?.... asst-"We've lost him!" dr."probably no chance for resuscitation... lets get the ice bucket for the organs" dr.-"Ok got him cut open...let's extract the heart..." asst-"Dr i have got a pulse" dr.-"Oh for the love of god!! ...." asst-"lost him again!" dr.-"good.. i mean.. let's continue in this tragic hour and extract the organs giving life to others as the donor requested" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 15:53:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LJqx806032 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <38BAPHLL>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:52:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: Ride to Work Day Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:52:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Matt complained, "I almost got nailed twice going in to work today.... people love to change lanes around here(Washington DC area) without moving there head. there is a saying (quoting somebody) "you can always tell a motorcyclist driving a cage... they don't trust their mirrors!! Conspicuousness: lane placement; stay out of blind spots (yeah, tough to do in bumper to bumper) driving lights (<$20 at Wall-Mart) weave in lane (folks see things better that cross their retinas) watch for BDC "twichiness" Hmmm, what else? When that fails: Anticipate the worse (duh) let 'em know you got big honking tooters (Pep-Boyz, <$30) "Passing more and more safety laws will not improve safety. I think education and training is the key for better drivers. " Agreed: 1) lack of enforcement because the police are too busy with the Drug War. 2) ignorance (You're supposed turn your lights on with your wipers. Oh, since when? For MD, 3 years now; Va even longer) 3) poor socialization (does not drive well with others) 4) Ummm, Hanlon's Razor? Up GEICO's Laser guns: http://www.caranddriver.com/Article/print/display/0,1835,1347,00.html Carl in Bethesda Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito", '84 VF700S (??); '83 'Ceptor "666"; '80 GS450E "Caballoante" (RIP); 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 16:15:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LKFd806725 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FjCf-0005az-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:15:26 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: BMW breaking news Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:21:12 GMT Message-ID: <3978daa6.451533714@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LKFj806726 Crosspost: =========================================== Breaking News....... BMW's IMNR1 (33/M/MD, DC, VA) 7/21/00 11:54 am Good news, I have heard from a reliable source (Favorite Po) that the State Boys on the BMWM-^Rs canM-^Rt chase anyone going over 90 mph and will only be out on Friday and SaturdayM-^Rs. Now there is no indication where they plan to patrol so when you see them next to you just give the bike Mo-Gas. That is unless you have deep wallet like One-Regular-Azz-Busa or happen to be riding in Red-Neck Land! Mo-Gas M-^SOut for lunchM-^T ------------------------------------ He has credibility with me. Daniel From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 16:18:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LKIU806763 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FjFb-0005zm-00; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:18:28 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: Matthew Ehlert Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Protest Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:24:14 GMT Message-ID: <3979db46.451693509@smtp.erols.com> References: <20000721194911.22703.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000721194911.22703.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LKIV806764 If i'm all Effed up needing critical surgery from a motorcycle accident, I dont' think I want to live. Don't they shove tubs in you everywhere? ouch. recovery..healing..screw that! hehe. Put me down and take my organs please! hehe Daniel (note: no kids, unmarried, & no S.O.) On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: |>--- daniel_ex250@XXXXXX wrote: |>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:42:53 EDT, you wrote: |>> |>> |>> Good idea to me. I already checkmarked the organ |>> donor box. I like the |>> idea. "you wanna kill yourself, go ahead, some kid |>> could use your |>> kidneys" |>> |> |> |>I checked mine too... but i have some secondary |>thoughts of doing so.... i keep thinking... if i have |>a bad accident... what would happen in the hospitalM-^Rs |>ER... |> |> |>asst- "Dr we have a critical patient" |>dr.- "Ok folks let's resuscitate him" |>asst- "Dr he's an organ donor" |>dr.-...mmm how much are organs going for now?.... |>asst-"We've lost him!" |> |>dr."probably no chance for resuscitation... lets get |>the ice bucket for the organs" |> |>dr.-"Ok got him cut open...let's extract the heart..." |>asst-"Dr i have got a pulse" |>dr.-"Oh for the love of god!! ...." |>asst-"lost him again!" |>dr.-"good.. i mean.. let's continue in this tragic |>hour and extract the organs giving life to others as |>the donor requested" |> |> |> |> |>__________________________________________________ |>Do You Yahoo!? |>Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! |>http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 16:34:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LKYU807236 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007212034.e6LKYU807236@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id r.60.53aa3d5 (15864); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web48.aolmail.aol.com (web48.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.9]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:33:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:33:57 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: [mofos] Fwd: Nolan Helmets To: , , Cc: , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Unknown Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LKYn807239 I have two Shoei RF700's and a Nolan N100. They both fit me the same so, I would say they favor the Shoei head. In a message dated Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:30:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Combat Tourer writes: << Damn this tempting. Especially at that price! My next flip up will have the ability to easily swap out the face shield as I am tired of wearing dark sunglasses and having that racoon look all the time. The Nolans are nice but a little heavier than the Shoei. If they had the quick release for the face-shield I might try one out. Anyone know what kind of head the Nolan favors (Shoei, Arai)? Todd --- "Collin T. Fagan" wrote: > Hey all.. this looks like an awesome price on the > nolan flip face > helmet...Duane has been selling me ALL of my racing > helmets and he's > done me very well on them and other things I've > bought. And > apparently, he's treated other listers tht I have > referred very well > also. Please tell him I said howdy if you give him > a call. > > Collin > > > --- aloetran@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > Hey y’all, > > > > I hate to advertise on e-mail but this was a good > deal I thought > > y’all > > might be interested in a Nolan N100 at a > > great price. Our supplier of Nolan helmets is > overstocked on some > > sizes > > and colors and we are passing the > > savings along to you. They are new, still in the > box, has never been > > worn or tried on. The Nolan N100 is > > comparable to the Shoei Duotec and Syncrotec. > > > > The Nolan N100 Trend helmets are available in > white, sliver and > > wineberry. The vent on top is black (the photo > > does not show it as black). > > The Nolan N100 Classic (vent is the color of the > helmet) is available > > in > > red. > > There are only a couple of black helmets > available in XXL. > > > > Both N100 styles has these features: > > > > M-' Innovative, patented front-lifting system > designed for touring and > > dedicated street riders > > M-' Molded Lexan shell > > M-' Stylish, compact wind-tunnel tested design > > M-' "High-Brite" painting system offers long-term > good looks and > > durability > > M-' Features JSW (Jet Stream Wing), Nolan’s patented > air conditioning > > system > > M-' “Microlock” retention system > > M-' Interior is "sanitized" with anti-microbial > treatment > > M-' Removable wind protector/breath deflector > > M-' GE Lexan face shield > > M-' DOT certified system > > > > These helmets retail at $199.99 – Sale price, > while supplies last, > > $128.00 plus shipping to you. > > > > If you have any questions or need help with > sizing, please e-mail me. > > > > Yvonne > > Dixie Cycle > > 318-368-3172 > > > > Please tell your riding partners! > > > > There is a limited supply, ater these - there will > be no more! > > > > > ===== > Collin T. Fagan > DC-Cycles Racing > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > Proudly sponsored by: > Fast Lane Cycles (www.fastlanecycles.com) > Dixie Cycles > Bell Helmets, and EBC Brakes > > > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Wish you had something rad to add to your email? > We do at wwwsupersig.com. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6810/7/ /612968/ /964016688/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ >> From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 16:39:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LKdD807353 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007212039.e6LKdD807353@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.c1.54e3ecb (15858); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web41.aolmail.aol.com (web41.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.2]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:38:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:38:10 EDT From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Saturday ride - new lunch stop To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown In a message dated Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Chuck Pena writes: << Lots of cooks helping to stir the pot for our lunch stop tomorrow! First it was the Royal Diary. Then the (former) Tastee Freeze. We are now nixing the Tastee Freeze in favor of... Castiglia Family Eatery 328 Remount Rd. Front Royal (540) 635-8815 DIRECTIONS (after turning R on 55 from 678) 55 to Front Royal R on 340 (south) over Shenandoah River into Front Royal Follow signs for 522 and take 522 through Front Royal Cross over 55 Castigilia should be about 200-300 meters past 55 on the lefthand side >> Collin, care to translate that into yards for us? ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 16:58:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LKw8807749 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.c9.6dc9e03 (16789); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:57:51 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:57:50 EDT Subject: Re: Saturday ride - new lunch stop To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: lgranato@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 In a message dated 7/21/00 4:40:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > Castigilia should be about 200-300 meters past 55 on the lefthand side > >> > > Collin, care to translate that into yards for us? ;-) > Oh come on, be a good American and just assume "Meter" is some funny french way to say "yard". Oh, and also bitch that the directions are about 10% off in terms of distance. :^D - Roach From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 17:26:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6LLPx808174 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000721212623.9254.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [140.185.42.85] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:26:23 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ehlert Subject: Re: Ride to Work Day To: "Custer, Carl" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >lane placement; stay out of blind spots (yeah, tough > to do in bumper to bumper) I agree..... it's an essential advice for motorcycling.... unfortunately we transition through blind spots on most rides. So "Anticipate the worse" is exactly what gave me time to make an evasive maneuver around the freak jetting into my lane..... i wasn't even in the blind spot... in fact i probably could have pounded on his side window and he still wouldn't have turned his head. It's good to hear that someone like yourself has been motorcycling in this area for that long. I have only been riding since 91 and allot of it not in this area. This area(DC,VA,MD AREA) is definitely crazy... you can do everything right and still get wiped out! --- "Custer, Carl" wrote: > Matt complained, "I almost got nailed twice going in > to work today.... > people love to change lanes around here(Washington > DC area) without moving > there head. > there is a saying (quoting somebody) "you can always > tell a motorcyclist > driving a cage... they don't trust their mirrors!! > > > Conspicuousness: > lane placement; stay out of blind spots (yeah, tough > to do in bumper to > bumper) > driving lights (<$20 at Wall-Mart) > weave in lane (folks see things better that cross > their retinas) > watch for BDC "twichiness" > Hmmm, what else? > > When that fails: > Anticipate the worse (duh) > let 'em know you got big honking tooters (Pep-Boyz, > <$30) > > > "Passing more and more safety laws will not improve > safety. I think > education and training is the key for better > drivers. " > > Agreed: > 1) lack of enforcement because the police are too > busy with the Drug War. > 2) ignorance (You're supposed turn your lights on > with your wipers. Oh, > since when? For MD, 3 years now; Va even longer) > 3) poor socialization (does not drive well with > others) > 4) Ummm, Hanlon's Razor? > > Up GEICO's Laser guns: > http://www.caranddriver.com/Article/print/display/0,1835,1347,00.html > > Carl in Bethesda > Commuting into your nation's capital since 1981 > through rain, sun, and snow, > but no ice! > '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito", '84 VF700S (??); '83 > 'Ceptor "666"; '80 GS450E > "Caballoante" (RIP); 1997 AeroStich Roadcrafter > "Fred the Red"; FOM #3, AMA > 676120; FOO/FOP; OGM #008; FMOENMC #0002 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 17:39:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LLdZ808573 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-100.s100.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.100]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13FkW5-0000Zv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:39:34 -0400 From: daniel_ex250@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dcsr cross post about ride 55 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:45:20 GMT Message-ID: <3978ee7c.456612204@smtp.erols.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by dirty.meretrix.com id e6LLdo808574 from DCSR's president: NEWS CHANNEL 4 wants our point of view! GC_YAMR1 (28/M/Upper Marlboro) 7/21/00 4:27 pm Hey, we need everyone to meet at the Applebees in Forestville Mall parking lot tomorrow at 12:30. I have a representative from news channel 4 coming out to get our viewpoint of "Operation Rocket Roundup". So be there at 12:30. GC From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 18:13:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LMDP809222 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micron (dialas-120.knight-hub.com [205.252.164.120]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13771 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:13:18 -0400 Posted-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:13:18 -0400 Message-ID: <012c01bff353$0c243d80$b2a4fccd@micron> From: "mobacc" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bikes at Redskins Park Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:33:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01BFF331.666E1260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BFF331.666E1260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thinking about experiencing Redskins Park? I did this a.m., and = found there's a little gift for MC'ers there. =20 Having seen cars plowing through deep gravel on TV news I was = cautious about entering, parking the bike a couple of times on the = access road to ask questions. =20 It turns out that bikes are allowed to park on the grass immediately = outside of the main ticket arch -- saving both gravel swimming and = walking time. Not all the gatekeepers were up on it -- press if yours = are ignorant. =20 Go in the main entrance -- the first one encountered, it has paved, = split in and out lanes. Stay on the pavement until just outside the = main ticket arch (2-300 yards). Grass area is on the right (with = possible soft ground: Don't forget a kickstand pad or can). I parked a = couple of feet off the asphalt. $10.00 pkg for bikes too. =20 Overall impression (my first time) -- well put together, for a = price. Entering bag search (no carried-in food, drink, etc.). Possibly = fine family experience. =20 Bill S. / DC=20 99 VN750 --> Proceed heartily, mighty Redskins Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BFF331.666E1260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Thinking about experiencing = Redskins=20 Park?  I did this a.m., and found there's a little gift for MC'ers=20 there. 
 
    Having seen cars plowing through = deep=20 gravel on TV news I was cautious about entering, parking the bike a = couple of=20 times on the access road to ask questions. 
 
    It turns out that bikes are = allowed to park=20 on the grass immediately outside of the main ticket arch -- saving both = gravel=20 swimming and walking time.  Not all the gatekeepers were up = on it --=20 press if yours are ignorant. 
 
    Go in the main entrance -- the = first one=20 encountered, it has paved, split in and out lanes.  Stay on the = pavement=20 until just outside the main ticket arch (2-300 yards).  Grass area = is on=20 the right (with possible soft ground:  Don't forget a kickstand pad = or=20 can).  I parked a couple of feet off the asphalt.  $10.00 pkg = for=20 bikes too.   
 
    Overall impression (my first = time) -- well=20 put together, for a price.  Entering bag search (no carried-in = food, drink,=20 etc.).  Possibly fine family experience. 
 
Bill S. / DC
99 VN750 --> Proceed heartily, mighty = Redskins
Join the=20 AMA.  Help protect my riding fun.
------=_NextPart_000_0129_01BFF331.666E1260-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 20:19:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r13.mx.aol.com (imo-r13.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.67]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6M0JV811468 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-r13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.70.15dba3b (7065) for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <70.15dba3b.26aa4286@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:19:18 EDT Subject: Re: Bikes at Redskins Park To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 For a while, I was catering liason from the Sterling "That's Amore" to Redskins park. Every Tuesday I was drive out with what seemed like 200 lbs. of food. Let me tell you, until you're cramped with 25 of them in a SMALL room, you will never have an appreciate of how big those guys are. I made sure that everyone of them was my friend! They'd get off the field around 12:05, and I'd usually stay and watch "Good Times' re-runs after lunch. Kind of Twilight-Zoney... Sean Jordan WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fastlane Cycles, Chantilly, Va Phoenix Comics & Toys, Herndon Va From dc-cycles-request Fri Jul 21 23:32:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5202.mail.yahoo.com (web5202.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.170]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6M3W2814498 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000722033144.22854.qmail@web5202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.88.33] by web5202.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:31:44 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:31:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Handy conversion link - BOOKMARK THIS LINK! To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Handy multi-conversion link below! Bookmark it! > Castigilia should be about 200-300 meters past 55 on > the lefthand side > >> > Collin, care to translate that into yards for us? > ;-) > > -Scooter > Thats 218.7226597 - 328.0839895 yards by the way. http://www.ur.ru/~sg/transl/ -Corbett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 22 11:47:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6MFlq829013 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-52-182.s182.tnt1.brd.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.52.182] helo=erols.com) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13G1VF-0004NH-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:47:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3979C472.9AAEAF46@erols.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:57:38 -0400 From: John Mullins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Motorcycle Trailers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, I am planing a riding trip through the Blue Ridge Mountains during the week of Labor Day. In the past I have rented a U-haul trailer to tow my bike from here to there, however this is not proving to be very cost effective. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on were to buy new or user trailers for towing motorcycles in this area? Also, If any lister has a trailer they are willing to loan/lease from Sept. 1 thur Sept. 10, I would be very interested in hearing from you as well. TIA, John Mullins 99 VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 22 17:42:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from madcap.apk.net (madcap.apk.net [207.54.158.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6MLgf804842 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (zbig@XXXXXX [207.54.158.20]) by madcap.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5) with ESMTP id RAA13216; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09396; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:39:49 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: John Mullins Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle Trailers Message-ID: <20000722173949.A9182@kleks.org> References: <3979C472.9AAEAF46@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <3979C472.9AAEAF46@erols.com>; from John Mullins on Sat, Jul 22, 2000 at 11:57:38AM -0400 * John Mullins (jlmullins@XXXXXX) [000722 11:53]: > All, > I am planing a riding trip through the Blue Ridge Mountains during the > week of Labor Day. In the past I have rented a U-haul trailer to tow my > bike from here to there, however this is not proving to be very cost > effective. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on were to > buy new or user trailers for towing motorcycles in this area? > > Also, If any lister has a trailer they are willing to loan/lease from > Sept. 1 thur Sept. 10, I would be very interested in hearing from you as > well. > > TIA, > John Mullins > 99 VFR800 > > Why not - just ride it ??? (Especially VFR, one of best touring bikes on the market.... ) _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 22 20:16:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6N0Gc807178 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va15-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.179.91]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19914; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397A6444.96B9C933@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:19:32 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Good group for Saturday ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am happy to report that this Saturday's ride went off without a hitch or mishap. Yipee! %^) Pretty big group starting off from the Sheetz. Maybe ~20 m/c's or so. I know I'm not going to remember everyone who was there, but... me, Bryan, Glenn, Sanath, Jay, Michael, Kurt, Curt, Laura, Sally, Danny, Sajeeb, Louis, Bannon, Cole, and ??? As advertised and promised, Laura led the "relaxed" group which started out as her, Sally, and Louis, but apparently Louis dropped off relatively early. Laura can provide the details. We split the front group in two, with Danny leading one group and me the other. Of course, everyone wanted to ride with Danny! %^) Re-grouped at the Mobil station before Sperryville. Yammered around waiting for Laura, Sally, and Louis to show up (again, I'm sure Laura will provide the details about this!), but when they didn't after quite a while we decided to hit Thornton Gap. Depending on who was doing the counting we did either 1.5, 2, or 3 passes of the gap! %^) And the girlz (sans Louis) caught up to us. Bannon, Cole, and Cole's friend (on the dual-purpose m/c, sorry but I don't remember his name) all had to head back after Thornton Gap. So we ended up riding as one large group to New Market and beyond. Skies definitely got darker as we headed out 211 and into New Market. Lots of car traffic on the gap into New Market. Ditto on 11 going north. I missed the turn onto Red Banks Rd. My only excuse is that I'd never been on the road before so didn't really know where the turn was -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it! And I did point when I missed the turn so that everyone behind me would know, but I guess the rest of the group just felt like lambs being led to slaughter. %^) But Danny and the girlz made the turn. We went up 11 a little way until I could find a suitable spot for the rest of the group to turn around. Red Banks Rd./Palmyra Church Rd. was a fun little road and sure beats just droning on 11. 675 out of Edinburg and more twisties. And we managed to catch up to Danny and the girlz at the turn onto 678 (just in time to get caught in some rain). But there were a couple of cars between them and the rest of us, so it was quite a while before we were able to re-assemble as one big group (just as we cleared the rain and the roads looked dry). And just as we did, Danny went hard on the gas to go by Laura and Sally and Bryan and Sajeeb gave chase. He who hesitates it lost, so the rest of us rode behind Laura and Sally (which, honestly, I didn't mind at all) until they graciously found a good spot to pull over and let us roll by (which they really didn't have to do). But by then, of course, there was no catching the 3 rocketeers who had to be well up the road by then! I didn't notice any gravel as we rode through the National Forest section on 678. Bike wasn't squirming or lose under me at all. However, Glenn subsequently informed me that there was gravel and he was getting hit from the spray from my bike! Oops! Sorry! We stopped for lunch as Castiglia Italian Eatery in Front Royal. Thanks to Collin for suggesting the place! And to Louis and Anita for providing me a set of directions to get us there! Good food. Highly recommended for anyone else out riding in the Front Royal area. After lunch, we all kind of went our separate ways. Danny led a small group that was going to find more backroads to ride on (688?) I think some people may have gone over Chester Gap and then back-tracked on 647. A bunch of us took 55 back to Marshall and then I-66 back in. I think we may have dropped some folks on I-66 (sorry!) because it was just me, Bryan, and Sajeeb on the road back to civilization. All in all, a good day of riding. Made better by the fact that there were no mechanical problems, no crashes, and no tickets. Would've been nicer without the rain, but... The closest thing to a problem that I know of was on Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton when I managed to have my contact lens come out of my right eye. Fortunately, I was able to slow down and find a place to pull off so I could put it back in. Unfortunately, I was leading the second group at the time and they all pulled over when I did. Apologies to everyone for the little delay! Which is why the first group got so far ahead of us (that and the slow trucks in front of us) -- at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Mostly I'm just happy that we (finally!) had a DC-Cycles ride that was relatively large and populated predominantly by sportbikes that was unscathed. Kudos to Laura and Sally. More people should've come out to ride with them. They're both good riders and ride at a good, safe pace -- not to say that the rest of us don't, but... %^) But they aren't slow pokes either. Anytime either of them is planning to come out and ride (especially if one of them volunteers to lead the "relaxed" group), I would strongly encourage those on the list who might feel "intimidated" (for lack of a better term) riding with yahoo/hooligan/nutter sportbikers to ride with them. Hope everyone got home okee-dokee. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 22 20:38:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6N0cZ807476 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id u.39.7c2668e (4315); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Message-ID: <39.7c2668e.26ab987f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:38:23 EDT Subject: Re: Good group for Saturday ride To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 In a message dated 7/22/00 20:18:40 Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Would've been nicer without the rain That was my monthly bike wash ;-) Didn't get wet enough to take off all the bugs though :-( Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 22 21:34:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web312.mail.yahoo.com (web312.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.77]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6N1Yq808356 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000723013438.19243.qmail@web312.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [151.200.111.154] by web312.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:34:38 PDT Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:34:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Good group for Saturday ride To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > As advertised and promised, Laura led the "relaxed" group which started > out as her, Sally, and Louis, but apparently Louis dropped off > relatively early. Laura can provide the details. (I'm not Laura, but can tell a little of what happened...) I started off in the back of the non-relaxed group, but the size of the group and the pace on some of the roads were a little more than I wanted to do today, so held back a bit. The directions were decent, but needed a tad more detail. I wasn't sure if I should turn to stay on 211, or turn with 211 before the next turn, so stayed straight... wrong... then Laura took the lead for a while. I let Sally pass me as well, since I wanted to practice some techniques I was reading about in a new book "Proficient Motorcycling" and wanted to make sure I had enough room ahead and behind me. While on 647, we turned a little early, onto Leeds Manor Road, rather than going all the way to 522, so that brought us further to the east on 211. After heading up 211 for a bit, and seeing how far it was to New Market (and I-81) I decided to turn around and head back to Warrenton and up 29 back to DC. I got home with just enough time to eat lunch and get the phone call I was expecting, some people I knew from the Concours Owners Group list road their bikes to DC from California, and were having the bikes shipped back. I drove them to Union Station so they could take the train back. Given Chuck's description of traffic on the other side of the Gap, sounds like I made the right decision. Hope no one was looking for me. Anyway, the roads I did ride were great, and I'm glad to hear how well everything else went (even with a little rain...) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Sat Jul 22 21:54:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6N1sh808670 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.6.919714b (3892) for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Message-ID: <6.919714b.26abaa52@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:54:26 EDT Subject: Sunday ride (sorry about the late post) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 I'm going to lead a ride tomorrow leaving from Sterling. Nothing too long, with a moderate to quick pace. Anyone who's interested can meet us up at the Burger King on Rt.7 in Sterling. It's approximately 1.5 miles east of the Rt.27/Rt.7 intersection, and on the left side of the highway. Plan to get there around 10:00-10:30 ish....let's you sleep in and I'm not a stickler for schedules. See you tomorrow! -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (street) '89 ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fastlane Cycles, Chantilly Va Phoenix Comics & Toys, Herndon Va From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 11:16:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6NFGC821248 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-50-91.s345.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.50.91] helo=wskirt) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13GNU9-0006VV-00; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:16:09 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01bff4b8$ea2de7a0$5b32accf@wskirt> From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: unsubbing 'til next saturday... Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'm going to florida for my training with Verio for the next 5 days, and since I don't wanna come home to 80 billion e-mails, I'm gonna unsub for a few days. If anyone needs to get a hold of me about anything (buying my stuff...) just e-mail me back here and I'll get back to you on friday night or saturday. Kirt ksenser@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 13:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6NHXU823183 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 23638 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2000 10:33:19 -0700 Received: from 1Cust114.tnt1.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.23.113.114) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2000 10:33:19 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Jul 2000 17:33:19 GMT Message-ID: <006c01bff4cd$34b4cb40$7271173f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: "Charles V. Pena" , "DC Cycles" References: <397A6444.96B9C933@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Good group for Saturday ride Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:41:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Thanks to Chuck for organizing the ride. And, yes, having approximate mileage counts from each road would have been helpful for those of us (like me) who didn't have a frickin' clue where I was going. It turned out well, though. We didn't get lost and wound up right where we were supposed to be. Louis dropped off once we got onto 211, which Sally and I were unaware of, so we turned back just to "check." While we were back, we decided to get gas (and, of course, I had to smoke a cig) so that cut about 30 minutes off our time. Tried to call chuck on my cell phone so the boys didn't worry about us, damn Nextel wouldn't work out there in BFE. All in all, Sally and I took the roads at our own pace. We were well behind the guys for a while, but we had fun! At one point, like Chuck mentioned, Sally and I ran into Danny and he waved us past as he followed us on 675. I thought that the guys had sent him back to "watch over us" as it was a pretty twisty road for newbies, but a fun one, until I looked in my mirror and saw a line of bikes, with horsepower roaring to get by. I immediately said *(%^! Since Sally and I have been riding together a while I knew she was thinking what I was thinking "PULL OVER and let them by!" So we did. We continued our relaxed pace through the national forest and met them at the lunch stop. First I want to say thanks to all of the guys there! They were really patient with us, sorry if we slowed up the ride when you guys were waiting for a while at the Mobil. It made my first official "DC Cycles" ride a great experience. I was happy to have led the "relaxed group," thanks for asking Chuck! I would be more than happy to lead the relaxed group on any ride that I am able to make. I really encourage those out there who were like me, scared to go on a group ride b/c of keeping up, etc., to come out when I'm leading a slow group. We take it at our own pace. Sure, it's not as much fun as staying with the group, but we all wind up in the same place and get to enjoy each other's company. Thanks again guys, and thanks to Sally for staying with me on the relaxed ride...I wouldn't have been lost without her. :-) Hoping to be in the fast group one day, but taking it slow for now, Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: DC Cycles Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 11:19 PM Subject: Good group for Saturday ride > I am happy to report that this Saturday's ride went off without a hitch > or mishap. Yipee! %^) Pretty big group starting off from the Sheetz. > Maybe ~20 m/c's or so. I know I'm not going to remember everyone who > was there, but... me, Bryan, Glenn, Sanath, Jay, Michael, Kurt, Curt, > Laura, Sally, Danny, Sajeeb, Louis, Bannon, Cole, and ??? > > As advertised and promised, Laura led the "relaxed" group which started > out as her, Sally, and Louis, but apparently Louis dropped off > relatively early. Laura can provide the details. > > We split the front group in two, with Danny leading one group and me the > other. Of course, everyone wanted to ride with Danny! %^) > > Re-grouped at the Mobil station before Sperryville. Yammered around > waiting for Laura, Sally, and Louis to show up (again, I'm sure Laura > will provide the details about this!), but when they didn't after quite > a while we decided to hit Thornton Gap. Depending on who was doing the > counting we did either 1.5, 2, or 3 passes of the gap! %^) And the > girlz (sans Louis) caught up to us. Bannon, Cole, and Cole's friend (on > the dual-purpose m/c, sorry but I don't remember his name) all had to > head back after Thornton Gap. So we ended up riding as one large group > to New Market and beyond. > > Skies definitely got darker as we headed out 211 and into New Market. > Lots of car traffic on the gap into New Market. Ditto on 11 going > north. I missed the turn onto Red Banks Rd. My only excuse is that I'd > never been on the road before so didn't really know where the turn was > -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it! And I did point when I > missed the turn so that everyone behind me would know, but I guess the > rest of the group just felt like lambs being led to slaughter. %^) But > Danny and the girlz made the turn. We went up 11 a little way until I > could find a suitable spot for the rest of the group to turn around. > Red Banks Rd./Palmyra Church Rd. was a fun little road and sure beats > just droning on 11. > > 675 out of Edinburg and more twisties. And we managed to catch up to > Danny and the girlz at the turn onto 678 (just in time to get caught in > some rain). But there were a couple of cars between them and the rest > of us, so it was quite a while before we were able to re-assemble as one > big group (just as we cleared the rain and the roads looked dry). And > just as we did, Danny went hard on the gas to go by Laura and Sally and > Bryan and Sajeeb gave chase. He who hesitates it lost, so the rest of > us rode behind Laura and Sally (which, honestly, I didn't mind at all) > until they graciously found a good spot to pull over and let us roll by > (which they really didn't have to do). But by then, of course, there > was no catching the 3 rocketeers who had to be well up the road by then! > > I didn't notice any gravel as we rode through the National Forest > section on 678. Bike wasn't squirming or lose under me at all. > However, Glenn subsequently informed me that there was gravel and he was > getting hit from the spray from my bike! Oops! Sorry! > > We stopped for lunch as Castiglia Italian Eatery in Front Royal. Thanks > to Collin for suggesting the place! And to Louis and Anita for > providing me a set of directions to get us there! Good food. Highly > recommended for anyone else out riding in the Front Royal area. > > After lunch, we all kind of went our separate ways. Danny led a small > group that was going to find more backroads to ride on (688?) I think > some people may have gone over Chester Gap and then back-tracked on > 647. A bunch of us took 55 back to Marshall and then I-66 back in. I > think we may have dropped some folks on I-66 (sorry!) because it was > just me, Bryan, and Sajeeb on the road back to civilization. > > All in all, a good day of riding. Made better by the fact that there > were no mechanical problems, no crashes, and no tickets. Would've been > nicer without the rain, but... The closest thing to a problem that I > know of was on Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton when I managed to have my > contact lens come out of my right eye. Fortunately, I was able to slow > down and find a place to pull off so I could put it back in. > Unfortunately, I was leading the second group at the time and they all > pulled over when I did. Apologies to everyone for the little delay! > Which is why the first group got so far ahead of us (that and the slow > trucks in front of us) -- at least that's my story and I'm sticking to > it! %^) Mostly I'm just happy that we (finally!) had a DC-Cycles ride > that was relatively large and populated predominantly by sportbikes that > was unscathed. > > Kudos to Laura and Sally. More people should've come out to ride with > them. They're both good riders and ride at a good, safe pace -- not to > say that the rest of us don't, but... %^) But they aren't slow pokes > either. Anytime either of them is planning to come out and ride > (especially if one of them volunteers to lead the "relaxed" group), I > would strongly encourage those on the list who might feel "intimidated" > (for lack of a better term) riding with yahoo/hooligan/nutter > sportbikers to ride with them. > > Hope everyone got home okee-dokee. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! > Cheers, > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 17:38:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (IDENT:65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6NLcN827084 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23591 invoked by uid 48381); 23 Jul 2000 17:38:14 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:38:14 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Subject: Starter bikes Message-ID: <20000723173814.A23521@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i I've got a friend of mine who just got his motorcycle license and he's looking for a bike. Anone have an opinion on what they think is a good starter bike? I told him my Seca II (and the Bandit 600) would be a decent bike but I just don't know about many of the things I've seen listed as possible starter bikes. BTW, anyone got a starter bike in good shape they're looking to sell? -- Matthew Harrell Nature abhors a vacuum. Bit Twiddlers, Inc. Then again, so does my cat. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 18:12:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smyk.apk.net (smyk.apk.net [207.54.158.17]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6NMCT827621 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from junior.apk.net (zbig@XXXXXX [207.54.158.20]) by smyk.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/apk.990812+rchk1.22+bspm1.13.1.5) with ESMTP id SAA07647; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from zbig@localhost) by junior.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20849; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:11:04 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Matthew Harrell Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Starter bikes Message-ID: <20000723181104.A20523@kleks.org> References: <20000723173814.A23521@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <20000723173814.A23521@bittwiddlers.com>; from Matthew Harrell on Sun, Jul 23, 2000 at 05:38:14PM -0400 * Matthew Harrell (mharrell@XXXXXX) [000723 17:45]: > > I've got a friend of mine who just got his motorcycle license and he's looking > for a bike. Anone have an opinion on what they think is a good starter bike? > I told him my Seca II (and the Bandit 600) would be a decent bike but I just > don't know about many of the things I've seen listed as possible starter bikes. > > BTW, anyone got a starter bike in good shape they're looking to sell? > Craig Johnson has a used older VFR 500 - will do great as starter. Look for a used bike cheap to fix after first OOPS.... > -- > Matthew Harrell Nature abhors a vacuum. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 18:17:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h007.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.171]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6NMHV827708 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 21219 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2000 15:17:23 -0700 Received: from 1Cust70.tnt8.manassas.va.da.uu.net (HELO oemcomputer) (63.28.112.70) by smtp.peoplepc.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2000 15:17:23 -0700 X-Sent: 23 Jul 2000 22:17:23 GMT Message-ID: <002d01bff4f4$e43c0700$46701c3f@oemcomputer> From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: gear question Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:25:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm sure it's been talked about before, but I'm interested in your opinions on gear. I want something that is good for street riding, but is also versatile if I decide to do a track day or something like that. I've heard varying opinions between getting a 'stich or leather, one piece versus two piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be appreciated. Laura Granato '99 GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 18:22:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (IDENT:65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6NMME827793 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24509 invoked by uid 48381); 23 Jul 2000 18:22:06 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:22:06 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Cc: Mark Lundquist Subject: Re: Starter bikes Message-ID: <20000723182206.A24415@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i : Craig Johnson has a used older VFR 500 - will do great as starter. How powerful is the VFR500? I know when I got my first bike I was concerned with getting something that had too much power for my lead foot (or hand in this case). : Look for a used bike cheap to fix after first OOPS.... Agreed. I'm glad my first bike was relatively easy to work with and didn't really have much bodywork. -- Matthew Harrell The best way to accelerate a Bit Twiddlers, Inc. Macintosh is at 9.8 meters per mharrell@XXXXXX second squared. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 19:58:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6NNw2829382 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id p.ac.81ee431 (4461); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:57:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:57:49 EDT Subject: Re: gear question To: lgranato@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/23/00 6:18:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lgranato@XXXXXX writes: << I've heard varying opinions between getting a 'stich or leather, one piece versus two piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be appreciated. >> For street and maybe track later, get a two-piece leather suit. Aerostitch will really not do on the track, no matter what anyone tells you. AGV make a nice two-piece that is very inexpensive (Sport 2) and will protect you as well as the more expensive suits for your first fall. The more expensive suits will handle more high speed falls without serious damage to the suit, that's the real difference. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 20:45:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6O0jk800235 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va13-18.ix.netcom.com [207.223.178.146]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14034; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397BBC9A.460C42C5@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:48:42 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Laura Granato CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gear question References: <002d01bff4f4$e43c0700$46701c3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Laura, I'm sure you noticed the scuff marks on both my and Sajeeb's AGV suits. I have the Rage 2-piece and I believe Sajeeb's was the 1-piece version. I can attest that my suit held up just fine to a ~50mph lowside at CSS@VIR. It lived again to ride (and if necessary crash, but hopefully not) another day! %^) The absolute most you'll pay for a Rage suits (1-piece or 2-piece) is $600. If you shop around, you can probably pick one up for $500. For the money, I think it's a pretty good bargain. Perfed. Dual-density foam armor in all the usual/necessary places -- shoulders, elbows, knees (which I replaced with GP-style armor). Also, soft/squishy foam padding in the hips (came in handy during my lowside) and the jacket on my 2-piece has a foam armor in the back (which I supplement with a back protector). Stretch panels. Double leather in so-called high-stress areas. Pretty much all the features you want/need in a track/racing suit. Velcro patches for pucks. Certainly not in the same league as the high-end stuff, but also costs about half as much and will do the job. I'd recommend a 2-piece suit so you can use the jacket for street riding. And make sure you get one that has a full wraparound zipper (a must for the track). The problem you may run into is sizing. Almost all the off-the-rack suitmakers are male chauvinist pigs -- almost nothing is sized smaller for women. You may have to do a lot of shopping around to find an off-the-rack suit that will fit you well (and it may end up having to be a top shelf one!) Your other course of action is to buy the smallest suit made and then have it altered to fit you. Like any other garment, this can be done within reason -- but it's also going to cost you extra. Worst case scenario: You may have to go the custom suit route from the likes of Vanson, Z Leathers, Syed, Helimot, Barnacle Bill, Kushitani, etc. Cheers, Skittles Laura Granato wrote: > > I'm sure it's been talked about before, but I'm interested in your opinions > on gear. I want something that is good for street riding, but is also > versatile if I decide to do a track day or something like that. I've heard > varying opinions between getting a 'stich or leather, one piece versus two > piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Laura Granato > '99 GS500 -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 21:20:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6O1KX800764 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 207-172-106-75.s75.tnt2.war.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.106.75] helo=oemcomputer) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13GWuz-0002JK-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <0d1501bff50d$76a3f5e0$4b6aaccf@oemcomputer> From: "Danny Thompson" To: References: <002d01bff4f4$e43c0700$46701c3f@oemcomputer> <397BBC9A.460C42C5@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: gear question Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:21:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 If you go the custom suit route, Barnacle Bill is the best for the $$ I found. Danny '99 VFR (for sale) '99 SV (reason VFR is for sale: race bike) Novice #903 www.onewayracing.org Sponsored by: Shen Valley Trailers: www.shen-valley.com, toll free @ 888-743-6825 Blalock Cycle: www.blalockcycle.com, 540-347-4591 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: Laura Granato Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 11:48 PM Subject: Re: gear question > Laura, > > I'm sure you noticed the scuff marks on both my and Sajeeb's AGV suits. > I have the Rage 2-piece and I believe Sajeeb's was the 1-piece version. > I can attest that my suit held up just fine to a ~50mph lowside at > CSS@VIR. It lived again to ride (and if necessary crash, but hopefully > not) another day! %^) The absolute most you'll pay for a Rage suits > (1-piece or 2-piece) is $600. If you shop around, you can probably pick > one up for $500. For the money, I think it's a pretty good bargain. > Perfed. Dual-density foam armor in all the usual/necessary places -- > shoulders, elbows, knees (which I replaced with GP-style armor). Also, > soft/squishy foam padding in the hips (came in handy during my lowside) > and the jacket on my 2-piece has a foam armor in the back (which I > supplement with a back protector). Stretch panels. Double leather in > so-called high-stress areas. Pretty much all the features you want/need > in a track/racing suit. Velcro patches for pucks. Certainly not in the > same league as the high-end stuff, but also costs about half as much and > will do the job. I'd recommend a 2-piece suit so you can use the jacket > for street riding. And make sure you get one that has a full wraparound > zipper (a must for the track). > > The problem you may run into is sizing. Almost all the off-the-rack > suitmakers are male chauvinist pigs -- almost nothing is sized smaller > for women. You may have to do a lot of shopping around to find an > off-the-rack suit that will fit you well (and it may end up having to be > a top shelf one!) Your other course of action is to buy the smallest > suit made and then have it altered to fit you. Like any other garment, > this can be done within reason -- but it's also going to cost you > extra. Worst case scenario: You may have to go the custom suit route > from the likes of Vanson, Z Leathers, Syed, Helimot, Barnacle Bill, > Kushitani, etc. > > Cheers, > Skittles > > Laura Granato wrote: > > > > I'm sure it's been talked about before, but I'm interested in your opinions > > on gear. I want something that is good for street riding, but is also > > versatile if I decide to do a track day or something like that. I've heard > > varying opinions between getting a 'stich or leather, one piece versus two > > piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 GS500 > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 22:10:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6O2AC801433 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cox.rr.com ([24.28.207.54]) by mail1.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:10:06 -0400 Message-ID: <397B9DBB.F4E963B8@cox.rr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:36:59 -0400 From: Larry Meyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gear question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Motorcycle Consumer News June 2000 has an article on the subject. To summarize, racing leathers are the best followed by synthetics like the Aerostitch. General street leathers were not as good as synthetic. If I understand right, you can take the rider school at Summit in a 'stitch, but you have to have leathers to race (racers correct me if I'm wrong on this). Larry Meyer Annandale, VA 1997 Bandit 1200 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 7/23/00 6:18:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lgranato@XXXXXX writes: > > << I've heard > varying opinions between getting a 'stich or leather, one piece versus two > piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be appreciated. > >> > For street and maybe track later, get a two-piece leather suit. Aerostitch > will really not do on the track, no matter what anyone tells you. AGV make a > nice two-piece that is very inexpensive (Sport 2) and will protect you as > well as the more expensive suits for your first fall. The more expensive > suits will handle more high speed falls without serious damage to the suit, > that's the real difference. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 23:03:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6O330802274 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.215.56.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.215.56]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02838 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Starter bikes Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:56:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bff51a$bd16b500$38d7f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20000723173814.A23521@bittwiddlers.com> Importance: Normal Your friend needs to do some research & self-examination. The term Starter Bike will mean different things to different people. How big is he? How fast a learner does he tend to be? What type of rider does he want to become? Yes, generally any 5-600cc POS that someone wants to sell off could be considered a "starter bike" but it doesn't have to be. Personally I didn't want to waste money on a bike that I would hate and be bored with after 6 months to a year, and then have to lose money on reselling. I don't know what the motorcycling public's general view is on buying a bike that you "grow into" but I can say it worked well for me. Just spend some time thinking about where you're at now and where you want to get to in regard to riding. Then ask the question again, you'll get better answers. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Harrell [mailto:mharrell@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:38 PM To: DC Cycles List Subject: Starter bikes I've got a friend of mine who just got his motorcycle license and he's looking for a bike. Anone have an opinion on what they think is a good starter bike? I told him my Seca II (and the Bandit 600) would be a decent bike but I just don't know about many of the things I've seen listed as possible starter bikes. BTW, anyone got a starter bike in good shape they're looking to sell? -- Matthew Harrell Nature abhors a vacuum. Bit Twiddlers, Inc. Then again, so does my cat. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 23:06:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6O36f802353 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-209.244.215.56.Washington2.Level3.net [209.244.215.56]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11751 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Big Matty" To: Subject: RE: gear question Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:00:02 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bff51b$42eccac0$38d7f4d1@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <002d01bff4f4$e43c0700$46701c3f@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal If you're seeing track days in the future, get a leather suit that zips the top to the bottom all the way around. You can then just wear the jacket with jeans for your commuting time. And, I never miss an opportunity to recommend Two Brothers kevlar-jeans. Lots of protection but look good when you're walking around too. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Laura Granato [mailto:lgranato@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 6:25 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: gear question I'm sure it's been talked about before, but I'm interested in your opinions on gear. I want something that is good for street riding, but is also versatile if I decide to do a track day or something like that. I've heard varying opinions between getting a 'stich or leather, one piece versus two piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be appreciated. Laura Granato '99 GS500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jul 23 23:56:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web5205.mail.yahoo.com (web5205.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.86]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6O3u0803122 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000724035556.28637.qmail@web5205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [165.247.89.36] by web5205.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:55:56 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:55:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Corbett B Subject: Re: gear question To: DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Laura- You might look into Hein Gericke too.. I've got a Hein Gericke "V-Pilot" jacket and matching leather pants that zip into the jacket. (Not sure if their selling the "V-Pilot" series anymore though. For practical touring or "spirited" street riding it would be hard to find a better designed jacket (lots of vents, zipped pockets, zip in/out thermal liner) I also picked up a Vanson jacket - I really like it alot, we're talking HEAVY leather...not as many vents for cooling though, and DAMN - I miss that "Hein Gericke" forearm pocket when I pull up to to toll booths! I know Vanson makes leather pants that zip into the jacket too, though I haven't tried them out yet. -Corbett '99 K1200RS http://www.vansonleathers.com/garment_directory.htm --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > Laura, > > I'm sure you noticed the scuff marks on both my and > Sajeeb's AGV suits. > I have the Rage 2-piece and I believe Sajeeb's was > the 1-piece version. > I can attest that my suit held up just fine to a > ~50mph lowside at > CSS@VIR. It lived again to ride (and if necessary > crash, but hopefully > not) another day! %^) The absolute most you'll pay > for a Rage suits > (1-piece or 2-piece) is $600. If you shop around, > you can probably pick > one up for $500. For the money, I think it's a > pretty good bargain. > Perfed. Dual-density foam armor in all the > usual/necessary places -- > shoulders, elbows, knees (which I replaced with > GP-style armor). Also, > soft/squishy foam padding in the hips (came in handy > during my lowside) > and the jacket on my 2-piece has a foam armor in the > back (which I > supplement with a back protector). Stretch panels. > Double leather in > so-called high-stress areas. Pretty much all the > features you want/need > in a track/racing suit. Velcro patches for pucks. > Certainly not in the > same league as the high-end stuff, but also costs > about half as much and > will do the job. I'd recommend a 2-piece suit so > you can use the jacket > for street riding. And make sure you get one that > has a full wraparound > zipper (a must for the track). > > The problem you may run into is sizing. Almost all > the off-the-rack > suitmakers are male chauvinist pigs -- almost > nothing is sized smaller > for women. You may have to do a lot of shopping > around to find an > off-the-rack suit that will fit you well (and it may > end up having to be > a top shelf one!) Your other course of action is to > buy the smallest > suit made and then have it altered to fit you. Like > any other garment, > this can be done within reason -- but it's also > going to cost you > extra. Worst case scenario: You may have to go the > custom suit route > from the likes of Vanson, Z Leathers, Syed, Helimot, > Barnacle Bill, > Kushitani, etc. > > Cheers, > Skittles > > Laura Granato wrote: > > > > I'm sure it's been talked about before, but I'm > interested in your opinions > > on gear. I want something that is good for street > riding, but is also > > versatile if I decide to do a track day or > something like that. I've heard > > varying opinions between getting a 'stich or > leather, one piece versus two > > piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be > appreciated. > > > > Laura Granato > > '99 GS500 > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 04:29:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6O8Tl808426 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KGruell@XXXXXX by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.be.702752f (1814) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:29:36 -0400 (EDT) From: KGruell@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:29:36 EDT Subject: Re: dc-cycles digest for 07/23/00 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 I have to say that I had an awesome time on Saturday! It was great to finally put names to faces, after reading the digest over the last several weeks. I had a lot of fun cruising up the mountains, but was pretty wiped out by the time we stopped for lunch. Throwing a 600+ pound bike around those turns can get a little tiring. =:) Thanks to Danny for officially converting me, I now have to get a sport bike in place of my Sabre. So, for any that are interested in purchasing an 84 V65 (1100) Sabre, I'm your man. Thanks again to Chuck for organizing the ride and doing a superb job and of course Kudos out to Laura! Look forward to the next ride, hopefully on a new bike!! Kurt V65 Sabre From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 05:54:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6O9s5809664 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id f.c1.55e9606 (4190); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:53:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:53:49 EDT Subject: Re: Starter bikes To: vtrman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 In a message dated 7/23/00 11:04:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vtrman@XXXXXX writes: << I don't know what the motorcycling public's general view is on buying a bike that you "grow into" but I can say it worked well for me. >> I don't think that most new riders will "grow into" a lightweight or heavyweight open-classser (R-1, ZX-9R, Hayabusa etc) gracefully. Nor do I think buying a 500+ lb. touring bike is a good idea for a beginner. Don't know how one could get bored with a 500/600 unless one's idea of excitement is accelerating in a straight line. I learned on a 50cc that I got at age 14, I wasn't bored, had a great time with it. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 07:18:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [209.249.176.3]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OBIN810849 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patriot.net (pool180-49.patriot.net [209.249.180.49]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6OBIG925079; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:18:17 -0400 Message-ID: <397C243D.ACD92723@patriot.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:10:53 -0400 From: Bill Huson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Starter bikes References: <000501bff51a$bd16b500$38d7f4d1@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ??? Frankly, when I see a raw novice tossing a leg over a brand spanky new heavywieght tourer or smoking monster 48 valve hi-pro sportbike, I SHIVER! That's giving a 5 year old a live hand grenade. Bill Big Matty wrote: > Your friend needs to do some research & self-examination. The term Starter > Bike will mean different things to different people. How big is he? How > fast a learner does he tend to be? What type of rider does he want to > become? Yes, generally any 5-600cc POS that someone wants to sell off could > be considered a "starter bike" but it doesn't have to be. Personally I > didn't want to waste money on a bike that I would hate and be bored with > after 6 months to a year, and then have to lose money on reselling. I don't > know what the motorcycling public's general view is on buying a bike that > you "grow into" but I can say it worked well for me. > > Just spend some time thinking about where you're at now and where you want > to get to in regard to riding. Then ask the question again, you'll get > better answers. > > Matt > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Harrell [mailto:mharrell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:38 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Starter bikes > > I've got a friend of mine who just got his motorcycle license and he's > looking > for a bike. Anone have an opinion on what they think is a good starter > bike? > I told him my Seca II (and the Bandit 600) would be a decent bike but I just > don't know about many of the things I've seen listed as possible starter > bikes. > > BTW, anyone got a starter bike in good shape they're looking to sell? > > -- > Matthew Harrell Nature abhors a vacuum. > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. Then again, so does my cat. > http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com > > '98 VFR 800, red > '95 Mazda RX-7, black > '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 08:58:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from cj30520-a.manss1.va.home.com (IDENT:65005@XXXXXX [24.7.169.75]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6OCwd812357 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12882 invoked by uid 48381); 24 Jul 2000 08:58:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:58:32 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Starter bikes Message-ID: <20000724085832.A12656@bittwiddlers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i : : ??? Frankly, when I see a raw novice tossing a leg over a brand spanky new : heavywieght tourer or smoking monster 48 valve hi-pro sportbike, I SHIVER! : That's giving a 5 year old a live hand grenade. : That would generally be what I think too. Mark's just looking for something he can learn from and abuse (through dropping or whatever) for a year or two until he decides what he would like to move to and he feels comfortable doing it. The sporty-type bikes like the Seca II, Bandit 600, and GS500 were what came to mind when he asked me and they're all capable, reliable bikes. I was just looking for some more ideas if anyone had any. -- Matthew Harrell You're just jealous because the Bit Twiddlers, Inc. voices only talk to me. mharrell@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 09:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c002.snv.cp.net (c002-h015.c002.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.179]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6ODL9812742 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (cpmta 6850 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2000 06:21:02 -0700 Date: 24 Jul 2000 06:21:01 -0700 Message-ID: <20000724132101.6849.cpmta@c002.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 24 Jul 2000 13:21:01 GMT Received: from [208.212.248.194] by mail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; 24 Jul 2000 06:21:01 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: vtrman@XXXXXX From: LAURA GRANATO Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.6.5.3 Subject: RE: Starter bikes On Sun, 23 July 2000, "Big Matty" wrote: I don't > know what the motorcycling public's general view is on buying a bike that > you "grow into" but I can say it worked well for me. > > Here are my thoughts from a newbie point of view. I am a speed monger. I have always been, so considering that, for my first bike, I knew I needed to get something that I couldn't get out of control with. My GS500 is quick enough and agile enough that I enjoy riding it, but it is also perfect for me to learn my TECHNIQUE, which I believe is the most important thing for newbie riders to concentrate on. Buy a bike that feels comfortable to you. Don't worry about what cc the bike is (within reason!). If you sit on it, and it feels good, then go with it. I was going to buy a used bike for my first bike, but Cycle Sport gave me one hell of a deal on their last '99 in stock, so I went with that. I've dropped it twice and all parts I messed up were easily fixed. I guess I'm saying, just buy something that feels comfortable, concentrate on learning the bike and what it's like to actually be on the road. I have seen people "grow" into bigger bikes, but I've also seen those who get out of control too soon. Just be smart so you can ride safe right from the start. Laura Granato '99 GS500 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Harrell [mailto:mharrell@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:38 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Starter bikes > > > > I've got a friend of mine who just got his motorcycle license and he's > looking > for a bike. Anone have an opinion on what they think is a good starter > bike? > I told him my Seca II (and the Bandit 600) would be a decent bike but I just > don't know about many of the things I've seen listed as possible starter > bikes. > > BTW, anyone got a starter bike in good shape they're looking to sell? > > -- > Matthew Harrell Nature abhors a vacuum. > Bit Twiddlers, Inc. Then again, so does my cat. > http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com > > '98 VFR 800, red > '95 Mazda RX-7, black > '91 Mazda Navaho, silver ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 09:34:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net (wodc7-1.corprelay.mail.uu.net [192.48.96.68]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ODY7812975 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net by wodc7mr1.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: intcache03.uu.net [153.39.7.42]) id QQizfq05211 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:34:05 GMT Received: from usashexims02.corp.us.uu.net by gen3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.204.193]) id QQizfq06527 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by corpsmtpin.corp.us.uu.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <38Q45MYG>; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Wood, Sally" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Saturday's ride Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:32:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had a great time on Saturday. It was really fun riding with you guys! ;) I have to say, we thought it ironic (and pretty funny) that "the fast group," going so fast they missed their turn, ended up behind "the slow group!" Somewhat reminiscent of the tortoise and the hare. Anyway, it was good experience for Laura and me. Thanks for your patience! A little rain notwithstanding, it was a great day and really fun hanging out with a bunch of cool, fun guys!! Sally '98 GS500E -----Original Message----- From: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX [mailto:dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:00 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: dc-cycles digest for 07/23/00 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- __ /-----\ __ 'dc-cycles' is an unmoderated email discussion list (__\/ _____ \/__) about motorcycling in the Washington D.C. area. =( \___/ )= \ ___ / An archive of the dc-cycles list is available at: | / _ \ | http://www.dc-cycles.org/ \ || || / \|| ||/ Subscribe/unsubscribe requests should be sent to: \| |/ dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX |_| ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:19:32 -0700 From: "Charles V. Pena" X-Accept-Language: en To: DC Cycles Subject: Good group for Saturday ride I am happy to report that this Saturday's ride went off without a hitch or mishap. Yipee! %^) Pretty big group starting off from the Sheetz. Maybe ~20 m/c's or so. I know I'm not going to remember everyone who was there, but... me, Bryan, Glenn, Sanath, Jay, Michael, Kurt, Curt, Laura, Sally, Danny, Sajeeb, Louis, Bannon, Cole, and ??? As advertised and promised, Laura led the "relaxed" group which started out as her, Sally, and Louis, but apparently Louis dropped off relatively early. Laura can provide the details. We split the front group in two, with Danny leading one group and me the other. Of course, everyone wanted to ride with Danny! %^) Re-grouped at the Mobil station before Sperryville. Yammered around waiting for Laura, Sally, and Louis to show up (again, I'm sure Laura will provide the details about this!), but when they didn't after quite a while we decided to hit Thornton Gap. Depending on who was doing the counting we did either 1.5, 2, or 3 passes of the gap! %^) And the girlz (sans Louis) caught up to us. Bannon, Cole, and Cole's friend (on the dual-purpose m/c, sorry but I don't remember his name) all had to head back after Thornton Gap. So we ended up riding as one large group to New Market and beyond. Skies definitely got darker as we headed out 211 and into New Market. Lots of car traffic on the gap into New Market. Ditto on 11 going north. I missed the turn onto Red Banks Rd. My only excuse is that I'd never been on the road before so didn't really know where the turn was -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it! And I did point when I missed the turn so that everyone behind me would know, but I guess the rest of the group just felt like lambs being led to slaughter. %^) But Danny and the girlz made the turn. We went up 11 a little way until I could find a suitable spot for the rest of the group to turn around. Red Banks Rd./Palmyra Church Rd. was a fun little road and sure beats just droning on 11. 675 out of Edinburg and more twisties. And we managed to catch up to Danny and the girlz at the turn onto 678 (just in time to get caught in some rain). But there were a couple of cars between them and the rest of us, so it was quite a while before we were able to re-assemble as one big group (just as we cleared the rain and the roads looked dry). And just as we did, Danny went hard on the gas to go by Laura and Sally and Bryan and Sajeeb gave chase. He who hesitates it lost, so the rest of us rode behind Laura and Sally (which, honestly, I didn't mind at all) until they graciously found a good spot to pull over and let us roll by (which they really didn't have to do). But by then, of course, there was no catching the 3 rocketeers who had to be well up the road by then! I didn't notice any gravel as we rode through the National Forest section on 678. Bike wasn't squirming or lose under me at all. However, Glenn subsequently informed me that there was gravel and he was getting hit from the spray from my bike! Oops! Sorry! We stopped for lunch as Castiglia Italian Eatery in Front Royal. Thanks to Collin for suggesting the place! And to Louis and Anita for providing me a set of directions to get us there! Good food. Highly recommended for anyone else out riding in the Front Royal area. After lunch, we all kind of went our separate ways. Danny led a small group that was going to find more backroads to ride on (688?) I think some people may have gone over Chester Gap and then back-tracked on 647. A bunch of us took 55 back to Marshall and then I-66 back in. I think we may have dropped some folks on I-66 (sorry!) because it was just me, Bryan, and Sajeeb on the road back to civilization. All in all, a good day of riding. Made better by the fact that there were no mechanical problems, no crashes, and no tickets. Would've been nicer without the rain, but... The closest thing to a problem that I know of was on Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton when I managed to have my contact lens come out of my right eye. Fortunately, I was able to slow down and find a place to pull off so I could put it back in. Unfortunately, I was leading the second group at the time and they all pulled over when I did. Apologies to everyone for the little delay! Which is why the first group got so far ahead of us (that and the slow trucks in front of us) -- at least that's my story and I'm sticking to it! %^) Mostly I'm just happy that we (finally!) had a DC-Cycles ride that was relatively large and populated predominantly by sportbikes that was unscathed. Kudos to Laura and Sally. More people should've come out to ride with them. They're both good riders and ride at a good, safe pace -- not to say that the rest of us don't, but... %^) But they aren't slow pokes either. Anytime either of them is planning to come out and ride (especially if one of them volunteers to lead the "relaxed" group), I would strongly encourage those on the list who might feel "intimidated" (for lack of a better term) riding with yahoo/hooligan/nutter sportbikers to ride with them. Hope everyone got home okee-dokee. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Cheers, Skittles, aka Chuck -- "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:38:23 EDT Subject: Re: Good group for Saturday ride To: cvkgpena@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In a message dated 7/22/00 20:18:40 Eastern Daylight Time, cvkgpena@XXXXXX writes: > Would've been nicer without the rain That was my monthly bike wash ;-) Didn't get wet enough to take off all the bugs though :-( Michael J. _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 18:34:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Good group for Saturday ride To: DC Cycles --- "Charles V. Pena" wrote: > As advertised and promised, Laura led the "relaxed" group which started > out as her, Sally, and Louis, but apparently Louis dropped off > relatively early. Laura can provide the details. (I'm not Laura, but can tell a little of what happened...) I started off in the back of the non-relaxed group, but the size of the group and the pace on some of the roads were a little more than I wanted to do today, so held back a bit. The directions were decent, but needed a tad more detail. I wasn't sure if I should turn to stay on 211, or turn with 211 before the next turn, so stayed straight... wrong... then Laura took the lead for a while. I let Sally pass me as well, since I wanted to practice some techniques I was reading about in a new book "Proficient Motorcycling" and wanted to make sure I had enough room ahead and behind me. While on 647, we turned a little early, onto Leeds Manor Road, rather than going all the way to 522, so that brought us further to the east on 211. After heading up 211 for a bit, and seeing how far it was to New Market (and I-81) I decided to turn around and head back to Warrenton and up 29 back to DC. I got home with just enough time to eat lunch and get the phone call I was expecting, some people I knew from the Concours Owners Group list road their bikes to DC from California, and were having the bikes shipped back. I drove them to Union Station so they could take the train back. Given Chuck's description of traffic on the other side of the Gap, sounds like I made the right decision. Hope no one was looking for me. Anyway, the roads I did ride were great, and I'm glad to hear how well everything else went (even with a little rain...) Louis ===== "Admiral" Louis Caplan 1998 Kawasaki Concours Alexandria, VA Co-Route Planner, Mason-Dixon 20-20 http://members.xoom.com/Nighthawk700/cycle.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 21:54:26 EDT Subject: Sunday ride (sorry about the late post) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX I'm going to lead a ride tomorrow leaving from Sterling. Nothing too long, with a moderate to quick pace. Anyone who's interested can meet us up at the Burger King on Rt.7 in Sterling. It's approximately 1.5 miles east of the Rt.27/Rt.7 intersection, and on the left side of the highway. Plan to get there around 10:00-10:30 ish....let's you sleep in and I'm not a stickler for schedules. See you tomorrow! -Sean Jordan '93 CBR1000F (street) '89 ZX-7 (race) WERA Novice #230 Sponsors: Fastlane Cycles, Chantilly Va Phoenix Comics & Toys, Herndon Va _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) From: "Kirt S." To: , Subject: unsubbing 'til next saturday... Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:16:01 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 I'm going to florida for my training with Verio for the next 5 days, and since I don't wanna come home to 80 billion e-mails, I'm gonna unsub for a few days. If anyone needs to get a hold of me about anything (buying my stuff...) just e-mail me back here and I'll get back to you on friday night or saturday. Kirt ksenser@XXXXXX _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sent: 23 Jul 2000 17:33:19 GMT From: "Laura Granato" To: "Charles V. Pena" , "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: Good group for Saturday ride Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:41:13 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Thanks to Chuck for organizing the ride. And, yes, having approximate mileage counts from each road would have been helpful for those of us (like me) who didn't have a frickin' clue where I was going. It turned out well, though. We didn't get lost and wound up right where we were supposed to be. Louis dropped off once we got onto 211, which Sally and I were unaware of, so we turned back just to "check." While we were back, we decided to get gas (and, of course, I had to smoke a cig) so that cut about 30 minutes off our time. Tried to call chuck on my cell phone so the boys didn't worry about us, damn Nextel wouldn't work out there in BFE. All in all, Sally and I took the roads at our own pace. We were well behind the guys for a while, but we had fun! At one point, like Chuck mentioned, Sally and I ran into Danny and he waved us past as he followed us on 675. I thought that the guys had sent him back to "watch over us" as it was a pretty twisty road for newbies, but a fun one, until I looked in my mirror and saw a line of bikes, with horsepower roaring to get by. I immediately said *(%^! Since Sally and I have been riding together a while I knew she was thinking what I was thinking "PULL OVER and let them by!" So we did. We continued our relaxed pace through the national forest and met them at the lunch stop. First I want to say thanks to all of the guys there! They were really patient with us, sorry if we slowed up the ride when you guys were waiting for a while at the Mobil. It made my first official "DC Cycles" ride a great experience. I was happy to have led the "relaxed group," thanks for asking Chuck! I would be more than happy to lead the relaxed group on any ride that I am able to make. I really encourage those out there who were like me, scared to go on a group ride b/c of keeping up, etc., to come out when I'm leading a slow group. We take it at our own pace. Sure, it's not as much fun as staying with the group, but we all wind up in the same place and get to enjoy each other's company. Thanks again guys, and thanks to Sally for staying with me on the relaxed ride...I wouldn't have been lost without her. :-) Hoping to be in the fast group one day, but taking it slow for now, Laura Granato '99 Suzuki GS500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles V. Pena To: DC Cycles Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 11:19 PM Subject: Good group for Saturday ride > I am happy to report that this Saturday's ride went off without a hitch > or mishap. Yipee! %^) Pretty big group starting off from the Sheetz. > Maybe ~20 m/c's or so. I know I'm not going to remember everyone who > was there, but... me, Bryan, Glenn, Sanath, Jay, Michael, Kurt, Curt, > Laura, Sally, Danny, Sajeeb, Louis, Bannon, Cole, and ??? > > As advertised and promised, Laura led the "relaxed" group which started > out as her, Sally, and Louis, but apparently Louis dropped off > relatively early. Laura can provide the details. > > We split the front group in two, with Danny leading one group and me the > other. Of course, everyone wanted to ride with Danny! %^) > > Re-grouped at the Mobil station before Sperryville. Yammered around > waiting for Laura, Sally, and Louis to show up (again, I'm sure Laura > will provide the details about this!), but when they didn't after quite > a while we decided to hit Thornton Gap. Depending on who was doing the > counting we did either 1.5, 2, or 3 passes of the gap! %^) And the > girlz (sans Louis) caught up to us. Bannon, Cole, and Cole's friend (on > the dual-purpose m/c, sorry but I don't remember his name) all had to > head back after Thornton Gap. So we ended up riding as one large group > to New Market and beyond. > > Skies definitely got darker as we headed out 211 and into New Market. > Lots of car traffic on the gap into New Market. Ditto on 11 going > north. I missed the turn onto Red Banks Rd. My only excuse is that I'd > never been on the road before so didn't really know where the turn was > -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it! And I did point when I > missed the turn so that everyone behind me would know, but I guess the > rest of the group just felt like lambs being led to slaughter. %^) But > Danny and the girlz made the turn. We went up 11 a little way until I > could find a suitable spot for the rest of the group to turn around. > Red Banks Rd./Palmyra Church Rd. was a fun little road and sure beats > just droning on 11. > > 675 out of Edinburg and more twisties. And we managed to catch up to > Danny and the girlz at the turn onto 678 (just in time to get caught in > some rain). But there were a couple of cars between them and the rest > of us, so it was quite a while before we were able to re-assemble as one > big group (just as we cleared the rain and the roads looked dry). And > just as we did, Danny went hard on the gas to go by Laura and Sally and > Bryan and Sajeeb gave chase. He who hesitates it lost, so the rest of > us rode behind Laura and Sally (which, honestly, I didn't mind at all) > until they graciously found a good spot to pull over and let us roll by > (which they really didn't have to do). But by then, of course, there > was no catching the 3 rocketeers who had to be well up the road by then! > > I didn't notice any gravel as we rode through the National Forest > section on 678. Bike wasn't squirming or lose under me at all. > However, Glenn subsequently informed me that there was gravel and he was > getting hit from the spray from my bike! Oops! Sorry! > > We stopped for lunch as Castiglia Italian Eatery in Front Royal. Thanks > to Collin for suggesting the place! And to Louis and Anita for > providing me a set of directions to get us there! Good food. Highly > recommended for anyone else out riding in the Front Royal area. > > After lunch, we all kind of went our separate ways. Danny led a small > group that was going to find more backroads to ride on (688?) I think > some people may have gone over Chester Gap and then back-tracked on > 647. A bunch of us took 55 back to Marshall and then I-66 back in. I > think we may have dropped some folks on I-66 (sorry!) because it was > just me, Bryan, and Sajeeb on the road back to civilization. > > All in all, a good day of riding. Made better by the fact that there > were no mechanical problems, no crashes, and no tickets. Would've been > nicer without the rain, but... The closest thing to a problem that I > know of was on Waterloo Rd. out of Warrenton when I managed to have my > contact lens come out of my right eye. Fortunately, I was able to slow > down and find a place to pull off so I could put it back in. > Unfortunately, I was leading the second group at the time and they all > pulled over when I did. Apologies to everyone for the little delay! > Which is why the first group got so far ahead of us (that and the slow > trucks in front of us) -- at least that's my story and I'm sticking to > it! %^) Mostly I'm just happy that we (finally!) had a DC-Cycles ride > that was relatively large and populated predominantly by sportbikes that > was unscathed. > > Kudos to Laura and Sally. More people should've come out to ride with > them. They're both good riders and ride at a good, safe pace -- not to > say that the rest of us don't, but... %^) But they aren't slow pokes > either. Anytime either of them is planning to come out and ride > (especially if one of them volunteers to lead the "relaxed" group), I > would strongly encourage those on the list who might feel "intimidated" > (for lack of a better term) riding with yahoo/hooligan/nutter > sportbikers to ride with them. > > Hope everyone got home okee-dokee. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! > Cheers, > > Skittles, aka Chuck > > -- > "Wherever you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai > visit us at http://www.geocities.com/the_penas > _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:38:14 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Subject: Starter bikes Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i I've got a friend of mine who just got his motorcycle license and he's looking for a bike. Anone have an opinion on what they think is a good starter bike? I told him my Seca II (and the Bandit 600) would be a decent bike but I just don't know about many of the things I've seen listed as possible starter bikes. BTW, anyone got a starter bike in good shape they're looking to sell? -- Matthew Harrell Nature abhors a vacuum. Bit Twiddlers, Inc. Then again, so does my cat. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navaho, silver _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:11:04 -0400 From: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" To: Matthew Harrell Cc: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Starter bikes * Matthew Harrell (mharrell@XXXXXX) [000723 17:45]: > > I've got a friend of mine who just got his motorcycle license and he's looking > for a bike. Anone have an opinion on what they think is a good starter bike? > I told him my Seca II (and the Bandit 600) would be a decent bike but I just > don't know about many of the things I've seen listed as possible starter bikes. > > BTW, anyone got a starter bike in good shape they're looking to sell? > Craig Johnson has a used older VFR 500 - will do great as starter. Look for a used bike cheap to fix after first OOPS.... > -- > Matthew Harrell Nature abhors a vacuum. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 00' Blade C43 AMG - Silver Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) X-Sent: 23 Jul 2000 22:17:23 GMT From: "Laura Granato" To: Subject: gear question Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:25:20 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 I'm sure it's been talked about before, but I'm interested in your opinions on gear. I want something that is good for street riding, but is also versatile if I decide to do a track day or something like that. I've heard varying opinions between getting a 'stich or leather, one piece versus two piece, etc., etc., etc....any thoughts would be appreciated. Laura Granato '99 GS500 _ _ _ _ .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:22:06 -0400 From: Matthew Harrell To: DC Cycles List Cc: Mark Lundquist Subject: Re: Starter bikes Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.5i : Craig Johnson has a used older VFR 500 - will do great as starter. How powerful is the VFR500? I know when I got my first bike I was concerned with getting something that had too much power for my lead foot (or hand in this case). : Look for a used bike cheap to fix after first OOPS.... Agreed. I'm glad my first bike was relatively easy to work with and didn't really have much bodywork. -- Matthew Harrell The best way to accelerate a Bit Twiddlers, Inc. Macintosh is at 9.8 meters per mharrell@XXXXXX second squared. http://alecto.bittwiddlers.com '98 VFR 800, red '95 Mazda RX-7, black '91 Mazda Navaho, silver From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 09:46:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from web311.mail.yahoo.com (web311.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.105.76]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e6ODk3813263 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000724134640.5982.qmail@web311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [164.117.11.25] by web311.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:46:40 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis F. Caplan" Subject: Re: Starter bikes To: DC-Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I started on an '84 Nighthawk 700 SC (hence my yahoo name). I've read a lot about it suggesting it was a good starter bike. Very wide power band which was useful to a newbie like me. No crotch rocket, but was fun to ride. Dropped it several times and it kept on ticking with no complaints. Traded it in 2 years and 15,000 miles later for only $200 less than what I paid for it. Gave me the confidence to move up to a brand new Concours. With the hydrolic valves, very little maintance was needed. As I tell my students in the MSF class. Get a used bike, this way you won't lose hunderds of dollars every time you drop it (and you will drop it). Louis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail M-^V Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 09:49:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from intertv.com (intertv.com [38.213.57.16]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6ODnc813311 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venice (venice [38.213.57.235]) by intertv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14547; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.1.20000724094923.009e6aa0@intertv.com> X-Sender: jzell@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:50:29 -0400 To: "Wood, Sally" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Jeannette Zell Subject: Re: Saturday's ride In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LOL, you'll find that happens more often than not on rides! : ) It's been an ongoing joke for awhile! LOL - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/3081 At 09:32 AM 7/24/00 -0400, Wood, Sally wrote: >I had a great time on Saturday. It was really fun riding with you guys! ;) >I have to say, we thought it ironic (and pretty funny) that "the fast >group," going so fast they missed their turn, ended up behind "the slow >group!" Somewhat reminiscent of the tortoise and the hare. Anyway, it was >good experience for Laura and me. Thanks for your patience! > >A little rain notwithstanding, it was a great day and really fun hanging out >with a bunch of cool, fun guys!! > >Sally >'98 GS500E > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 10:35:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OEZs814244 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ix.netcom.com (vna-va11-27.ix.netcom.com [207.223.177.219]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA32370; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397C7FBE.DD639CB9@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:41:18 -0700 From: Chuck Pena X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Wood, Sally" , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Saturday's ride References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Wood, Sally" wrote : > > I had a great time on Saturday. It was really fun riding with you guys! ;) > I have to say, we thought it ironic (and pretty funny) that "the fast > group," going so fast they missed their turn, ended up behind "the slow > group!" Somewhat reminiscent of the tortoise and the hare. Anyway, it was > good experience for Laura and me. Thanks for your patience! Uh, Sally... I'm guessing you're on the digest mode because there was a lot of stuff to snip from your posting! The other digesters are gonna love you! %^) And wait a minute... I resemble that remark! %^) OK, OK so I missed the turn. But not so much because we were going so fast (really officer, we weren't ... honest), but because I just didn't know where the turn was. By the time I was close enough to read the sign it was too late (yes, my eyesight is less than perfect -- even with contact lenses). Glad both you and Laura came out to ride and had a good time. Hope that proves that others who may have reservations about coming out on a group ride, not being good enough, fast enough, etc. know that they can join in the fun too. All you have to do is ride smart, ride safe, and ride within your limits. Skittles From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 10:59:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OEx6814686 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.9e.775cba4 (664) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Message-ID: <9e.775cba4.26adb3ac@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:58:52 EDT Subject: Loudoun Motorsports Happy Resolution To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 106 Hello all, Last week I was complaining about how Loudoun Motorsports didn't have my bike ready as promised and how I was going on vacation as promised...blah, blah, blah. Well I'm happy to report that the owner provided me with a brand new 1/10 miler Honda Magna as a loaner for my trip to the West Virginia Bike Rally. The Magna is a great bike with a nice engine and the smoothest tranny I've ever shifted my way through. So my thanks and my complements to Loudoun Motorsports -Matt (reluctantly giving back the Magna) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 12:18:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OGIG816048 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:16:54 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: gear question Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:25:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Larry, If you take race school at Summit, you must be prepped for CCS racing (both your bike and your gear, 1-piece leathers). Laura - To do cycle sport track day, you have to have either full leather (1 or 2 piece), stitch, or leather jacket and multiple pairs of jeans (an idea nobody likes, but they tolerate it). I personally have 2 leather suits and a stitch. I prefer the stitch every time for comfort and ease of use. The leathers are obviously better protection. But, like cheap leathers, the stitch is good for 1 crash. Good enough in my book, I'll get another suit (or have it rebuilt by aerostitch) before crashing again. The armor in the stitch can also be upgraded for more significant track duty and add a back protector, they'll also add knee sliders if necessary. I initially made the mistake of purchasing my stitch for the cycle sport track day, and then deciding to start racing. So, I then had to go out and get some leathers. If you have any inkling that you'll enjoy track riding enough that you'll have to do it more often (and start racing) get 1 piece leathers. Otherwise, get something more versatile (2 piece leather, or 1/2 piece stitch). I bought a second set of leathers for race/street use, but I find them so uncomfortable that I choose the stitch every time for street. I suspect with your build you may find the same thing as me, can't find leathers off the shelf that fit right. Although for me it means not tall enough (constant wedgie). Aerostitch will pretty much build you a custom sized suit for a very small amount more than the off the shelf sizes. They are even pretty quick about it. Plus, the little bit of rain on Saturday didn't bother me a bit. Rode my perfed AGV rage leathers in the rain one day ... not very nice (and that doesn't even take in to account the wedgie factor). Plus, my white t-shirt underneath was dyed red/black after the soak through. Choose what you think you will get the best bang for the buck use wise. Also, talk to Colleen at the leather exchange (leatherexchange.com). I know she had some womens size 2-piece leather suits there at one point (cheap too). Speaking of cycle sport track day, is anyone planning on doing the fall one? Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 12:56:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-r17.mx.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OGuI816670 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id c.84.871e9d5 (7041); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:55:33 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <84.871e9d5.26adcf04@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:55:32 EDT Subject: Re: gear question To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX, lmeyer@XXXXXX, lgranato@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 In a message dated 7/24/00 12:21:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: > Speaking of cycle sport track day, is anyone planning on doing the fall one? Yes... Laura is :) (She's going to see what it's like to ride a 125gp machine) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 13:06:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from ravinc.com (mail.ravinc.com [216.181.133.51]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OH6k816946 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from superj [192.9.200.178] by ravinc.com [216.181.133.51] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.3.R) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:06:10 -0400 From: "Jay St. Peter" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: gear question Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <84.871e9d5.26adcf04@aol.com> X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-Return-Path: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX X-MDRcpt-To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX X-MDRemoteIP: 192.9.200.178 Oh boy ... maybe she better get full leathers after all :) -----Original Message----- From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX [mailto:BryanRoach@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:56 PM To: jay.stpeter@XXXXXX; lmeyer@XXXXXX; lgranato@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: gear question In a message dated 7/24/00 12:21:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jay.stpeter@XXXXXX writes: > Speaking of cycle sport track day, is anyone planning on doing the fall one? Yes... Laura is :) (She's going to see what it's like to ride a 125gp machine) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 13:07:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OH7P816956 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BryanRoach@XXXXXX by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.3b.79c33d0 (7041) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: BryanRoach@XXXXXX Message-ID: <3b.79c33d0.26add1bc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:07:08 EDT Subject: Re: Starter bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 The 500cc twins are GREAT starter bikes (GS500, EX500, etc), much like how a 400 4-cyl would be great of they'd still import them to the US :( As far as "growing into" a bike... a 100hp 600cc sportbike has the capability of causing all kinds of growing pains to the rider and his wallet. Also... someone mentioned the nighthawk. If the person is not elf sized it's another great bike - very reliable, not high horsepower, and there's a TON of them used out there to be had. If the person is say... 145lbs and has never ridden a bike, the weight could get them at stoplights and in parking lots (not that I'd know anything about that... ) - Roach From dc-cycles-request Mon Jul 24 13:16:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by dirty.meretrix.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6OHFu817127 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007241715.e6OHFu817127@dirty.meretrix.com> Received: from Dsotm60273@XXXXXX by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id 2.9.86994ea (15700) for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web40.aolmail.aol.com (web40.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.1]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:15:41 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:15:40 EDT From: Dsotm60273@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Starter bikes To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown For a starter bike, the HawkGT is hard to beat. A good deal can be found if you shop around, and with the SV650's out there now, p