From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 10:42:43 1999 Return-Path: stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [206.151.9.249]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15080 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from jaypeter (th-1-33.patriot.net [206.29.51.35]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15557 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:38:04 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:01:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE352A.AFF7BE20.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cold Weather Riding Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:01:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 19 TEXT The coldest I've ever ridden was -12. I rode from my house in Falls Church to Fair Oaks mall just before Christmas (about 6 years ago). There was a serious cold spell. When I left the house it was 0. The bank near Fair Oaks said -12 as I left the mall. My body was fine in my Spartan suit. Hands/feet were another issue. When I got home, I was barely able to get the bike onto the sidestand. When I got off the bike, I fell over because my feet hurt so bad. It took about 3 days until they felt normal again. It was fun for a while, but the last 10 minutes were torture. On another note, I am also willing and able to help out with a tow. I have a truck with ramps/tie-downs. My ramp is a little short, so the lower fairing will rub the top of the ramp unless a suitable curb/hill can be found. I can be reached at 7035324102 (home, falls church) and 7037373001x125 (work, leesburg). Spartan Suit mentioned above for sale, it barely looks used. I just got a Widder vest for X-mas. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 18:59:03 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22301 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:59:01 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DNFMa03212; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:58:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:58:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Rick_Royer@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Biker Chic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 My 48 year young wife just completed the PARR polar Bear run as a passenger without electrics and without a wimper. I'm so luckey! Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 20:34:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23712 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05320 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA12079 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from glll6 ([12.78.120.155]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990102013336.CQCG15946@glll6> for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:33:36 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990101203334.009f87d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: aki.damme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:33:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: unsubscribe info please In-Reply-To: <005301be3517$79584320$c621accf@ursulina> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" as my new job requires a goodly chunk of my time, I think it best to temporarily unsubscribe from this list...can someone please send me the instructions to do so as I lost all that info when I left my old job. tks, -aki From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 20:52:24 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24022 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.17]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 230; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <368D7C45.1FB6A41E@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:54:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alpha CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Head count... References: <01BE32C9.1C4A76D0.Alpha@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been meaning to respond to this ever since I first saw it. Does my Concours count? :) It's basically a shaftie Ninja ZX-10 with hard bags and tall windshield. It's been known to hang out with other Ninja's (even one that thinks it's a John Deere), and it would probably have it's feelings hurt if it was wasn't allowed to play with all the other Ninjas out there. :) Just curious. I'll have to break the news gently to BugSlayer if it's not allowed to come along. :) Dale (the Horkster) Alpha wrote: > > Hi all! > I was wondering how many of you riders in the DC/VA area ride Ninjas or > EX500's > I think it would be nice to round up all the Ninja people and EX 500's and > do a ride... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 21:05:57 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24252 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.17]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 44 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:07:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Polar Bear Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Witnessed a mishap today in our little group on the PARR Polar Bear ride. One of our newer listers, Karl Mueller, took an offroad excursion after an icy corner, resulting in minor damage to his Ninja, and a broken left arm for Karl. I saw most of the action in my mirrors, I thought Karl was gonna save it until his front tire got caught in a shallow ditch in some farmer's field. Down on the left side, mirror and some plastic broken. Leon and I cut short the ride, went back home to get Leon's trailer and drove back down to Southern Maryland to retrieve Karl's bike and brought it home. Saw Karl and his Dad as they were leaving the hospital, he'll be in a cast for about 5 weeks. If anyone wants to send any kind words of encouragement to Karl, his e-mail addy is kamuelle@XXXXXX Memo to me, if I'm ever gonna crash, I'm gonna do it in Charles County, Maryland. Rescue and Police response was outstanding for a frigid New Years Day - Karl was on a backboard and neck brace (both unnecessary, but it was nice to see that the rescue personnel were cautious) and safely tucked into the ambulance within about 25 minutes of going down. I was impressed. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 01:54:40 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA28270 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 01:41:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Polar Bear Ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:47:05 -0500 Message-ID: <006001be361b$b5c424a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Where in Chas. Co. was the crash? Know lots of people on the various rescue squads, and might need to tell 'em what happened if they are talking about it at work on Monday. BTW, glad there was no 'major' injury. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 06:39:40 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05368 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WICVa19764; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:38:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3812ed60.368e054d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:38:53 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/2/99 2:01:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: > > Where in Chas. Co. was the crash? Know lots of people on the various > rescue > squads, and might need to tell 'em what happened if they are talking about > it at work on Monday. > > BTW, glad there was no 'major' injury. > How fast was he going when it happened? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 09:35:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07863 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA04360; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:33:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.185]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990102143351.RNRQ19548@toddnt>; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:33:51 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Cc: Subject: RE: Polar Bear Ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be365d$3b060020$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman reported: > > Witnessed a mishap today in our little group on the PARR > Polar Bear ride. One of our newer listers, Karl Mueller, > took an offroad excursion after an icy corner, resulting > in minor damage to his Ninja, and a broken left arm for Karl. Ouchy! Wow this really sucks. Damn Karl, I'm real sorry to hear this happened. I've never had more than a chipped bone (knock on wood),and that hurt. I won't even pretend to know how you feel now.. > > Leon and I cut short the ride, went back home to get Leon's > trailer and drove back down to Southern Maryland to retrieve > Karl's bike and brought it home. Saw Karl and his Dad as they > were leaving the hospital, he'll be in a cast for about 5 weeks. The buddy system. Best (safest at least) way to ride. > If anyone wants to send any kind words of encouragement to Karl, > his e-mail addy is kamuelle@XXXXXX > > Memo to me, if I'm ever gonna crash, I'm gonna do it in Charles > County, Maryland. Rescue and Police response was outstanding for > a frigid New Years Day - Karl was on a backboard and neck brace > (both unnecessary, but it was nice to see that the rescue personnel > were cautious) and safely tucked into the ambulance within about 25 > minutes of going down. I was impressed. That is impressive. You guys must have been real close to a firestation. Heal well Karl. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 10:59:07 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09046 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.190]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 221; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:57:24 -0500 Message-ID: <368E42C5.73B768C3@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:01:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride References: <3812ed60.368e054d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably only 20-30 mph, we were taking it pretty slow due to the cold temps and small patches of ice. That corner was the first questionable one we had encountered that day. The roads up to that point were pretty clear. Dale STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > How fast was he going when it happened? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 11:53:12 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09826 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id LVDYa20555; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:51:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:51:29 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Polar Bear Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 That corner also had a clear patch about 18 inches wide on the right side of the road Bob From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 12:12:16 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10119 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TTICa01428; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <944c6c6b.368e533f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:11:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: , Jploon@XXXXXX, Rick_Royer@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Polar Bear ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Yesterday Nancy and I took our first fairly long ride in the cold. We went on a ride sponsored by a local MC club which they run every New Years Day. I think it has been going on for several years. Riders and passengers get a polar bear pin and a year bar to hang under it. I saw several folks with multiple bars. Our total mileage was a little over 200. Thats from home to starting point, and back home. The ride itself was only about fifty miles and consisted of back roads in Charles County, Md. I must say the scenery was not all that great. Mostly scrub oak flat lands. I guess we get a little spoiled living were we live, but I'm sure the "city folks" enjoyed it. Met some very nice people. Especially an couple a bit older than us. They have been riding for yaers. He started at 17 and she about ten years ago. They were riding double on a very fancy Gold Wing, although she has her Helix scooter. The temps were in the upper twenties for most of the day, but felt much colder in the mid afternoon when the sun disappeared. Nancy was really a trooper. We left home about 8:330 AM and got back around 6:30 Pm. That last hour was just about an hour too long. We both got a little chilled. All in all good fun. Probably no riding today or tomorrow. Just started snowing and it is supposed to change to freezing rain and sleet tonight and Sunday. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 13:00:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10818 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14212 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21152 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:56:37 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: Polar Bear Ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <009101be367a$0a259de0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <368E4218.95734B0A@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 My uncle and grandmother live on that road. And yes, the rescue squad is VERY close to where it happened. Still, it's all volunteer, so that reaction time sounds pretty good. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 13:02:53 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10828 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:59:42 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Polar Bear ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <009201be367a$78a2d580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <944c6c6b.368e533f@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Considering that all of Chas. Co. west of route 301 is swamp (and 50% east of there is also) the fact that there are any curved roads is amazing. I guess that the ride explains all of the bikes my father and I saw on the way to the DC auto show. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:12:09 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11836 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RYLZa04794; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:06:27 EST To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/2/99 12:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, McKeithen@XXXXXX writes: > > That corner also had a clear patch about 18 inches wide on the right side > of > the road > Bob > It seems like sometimes there is nothing you can do to avoid a spill. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:17:26 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11914 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TXORa01433 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <645f924f.368e709a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:16:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: fairings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I asked the dealer about fairings for the marauder 800. They said none are available. The windshield is great but I am looking for something lower shielding. It was suggested by the service dept. that I get Baker Airways and get a custom mount. Even though the service and sales dept knew about them, the parts dept didn't have a clue. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:28:09 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12075 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2ZKQa23181 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:26:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <787513d4.368e72e0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:26:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: chain maintenance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Anyone know about a center stand for the marauder 800? How do you clean/wax the chain without a center stand? Recomendation thus far received is to use a car jack and balance on the front wheel and the side stand. I haven't tried it but I can't picture this being done safely. Any advice? I wonder what a RUB does. I suppose I am a poor version of a RUB but am trying to get better. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:33:46 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12168 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-9.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.50]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA30628 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be3686$76297aa0$3210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: MC racing in Baltimore Jan 22-24 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:10:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Spotted in the Post -- "High-flying motorcyclists compete at the PJI National Arena Cross racing event, Jan 22-24 at Baltimore Arena, 201 W. Baltimore St., Baltimore. Call 202 432-7328 (service charges)." Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Built for low flying Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:33:47 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12171 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-9.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.50]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA30632 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be3686$76da7b20$3210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Guaranteed Weather Forecasts (not kidding) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:30:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 If this is all it says it is, it's a new way of life. http://www.weatherplanner.com/ includes a MONEY-BACK, SATISFACTION GUARANTEE for $15-$20 forecasts for up to a year in advance. ("We've had a grand total of 10 people (out of 2,000) ask for their money back." -- presumably since the site start in 1997) Website usage so far is said to be centered around weddings, reunions, family vacations and sporting events. (No motorcycle event usage mentioned (yet).) This written up in the New York Times (12/31/98 p.E5) as a highly credible, professionally-based service. "Before [the site] the parent company, Strategic Weather Services, built its reputation by providing weather forecasting for businesses [agriculture, entertainment, etc.]," the article said. Registration is required and hard copy output is possible. Understanding that weather forecasting has mounting reliability as massive number crunching comes to play -- why not this welcome step? Well, who knows what the weather gods have in store for us MCers. But if it comes through as, apparently, for others . . .. To be revisited after several months Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Let me swerve around poor weather Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:33:49 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12174 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-9.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.50]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA30641 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be3686$789e2420$3210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Having vibration problems? (humor) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:01:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 The chatter decreases at higher roadspeed -- http://www.macnelly.com/archivefolder/macnelly_edtoon112798.jpeg Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 No square, I Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 15:23:35 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12948 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05426; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:23:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chain maintenance In-Reply-To: <787513d4.368e72e0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm surprised you haven't yet taken my advice and joined the Marauder list. Many of your bike specific questions are disussed there. marauder-request@XXXXXX should work... One lister created a simple center stand with a few 2x4s. He created a big 'L' shaped thing. One piece of 2x4 comes off of a heavier block, to form the L, as in lever. He puts this under his chassis, pulls up on the lever, and up comes his rear wheel. I use a floor jack, which is a bit dicey. The other way to wax the chain is to do a bit, move the bike, do another bit, etc. Pete. On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone know about a center stand for the marauder 800? > > How do you clean/wax the chain without a center stand? Recomendation thus far > received is to use a car jack and balance on the front wheel and the side > stand. > > I haven't tried it but I can't picture this being done safely. Any advice? > > I wonder what a RUB does. I suppose I am a poor version of a RUB but am > trying to get better. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 17:18:19 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14575 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:18:17 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5DZVa04794; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:17:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9eb21301.368e9adf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:17:03 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: chain maintenance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/2/99 3:23:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: > marauder-request@XXXXXX I tried the above address to subscribe right after receiving your email. I have sent another just now. It seems strange that a mechanical kluge is necessary to perform routine maintenance. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 21:42:45 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18396 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc2-s40.wizard.net (tc2-s40.wizard.net [206.161.15.116]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11979 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:42:42 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Member Roster Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 21:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: <368eda4f.1172174@smtp.wizard.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've finally had the time to update the member roster... so my apologies to those of you who filled out the survey and were wondering if your info would *ever* show up! :-) Good news as well... figured out a quick way to make all the home page URL's and email addresses "clickable"... it was a simple as putting a space (i.e. hit the spacebar) after the entry. Wierd, but who can argue with Bill Gates, right? :-) Anyhow... updates are done... now on to my next project (top secret!). Anita PS - Where's the big snow storm? Huh? Huh? D*mn weatherpeople!! :-) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 22:31:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19126 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18856 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27743 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1YZIa05340; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:30:53 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:30:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_915334256_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_915334256_boundary Content-ID: <0_915334256@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is for anyone who wants it. Just forwarding this along, Please dont direct comments or questions to me. Sean... --part0_915334256_boundary Content-ID: <0_915334256@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Return-path: Subject: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:36:43 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Heads up and commo check. Now that the MD Legislature is about to start up, we will be keeping you abreast of issues pertaining to riders. Please pass this information on to other riders The Maryland Legislature is preparing to start business and the first issue out of the chute will be the .08 bac (blood alcohol content). If the .08 bac legislation is passed, expect a tightening of the social safety ratchet. Remember, where there is a bike event, there are "routine" police stops checking for........ A couple of points about the .08 bac. 1. A 120 lb woman will be criminalized after two 6 oz drinks in two hours (NTSHA). 2. The proposed legislation criminalizing this woman will not address repeat offenders in the .10 and above category that the courts continue to release or be lienient on. 3. Instead of focusing on repeat offenders, what this legislation does is broaden the base of the pyramid making criminals of a larger part of the population without addressing the problems higher up the pyramid. . 4. It constitutes a greater adversary relationship with the police because now, after the normal, and non-criminal office party or other non criminal social event, drivers will be more at risk by police check points. Again, instead of going after the drunk driver, the legislation will snare others . 5. Police, under NHTSA guidelines, categorize vehicle accidents, and incidents as alcohol related even when some one other than the driver has alcohol about them. For example, in vehicle -pedestrian, vehicle-bicycle accidents, if the driver is completely free of alcohol and the pedestrian or bicyclist has drinking, the incident is listed at "alcohol involved" These figures are then used to bias stats against drivers. (Makes it look like ALL drivers involved in these incidents are drinking when they are not.) 6. There is no study or set of facts specific to Maryland describing the at fault accident rate for drivers with a bac of .08 to .10. This legislation is not clearly supported by facts but is instead driven by unsupported and emotionally charged assumptions. The bottom line is: Do we want to lower a threshold that will criminalize a 120 lb person for having two glasses of wine in two hours? Please do three things: a. Relay this email to others b. Fire a letter off to your local paper c. Contact your State Delegate (httpt://mlis.state.md.us) Bill Gawthrop, Anne Arundel County Chapter, ABATE of Maryland. --part0_915334256_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 00:58:44 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21156 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:55:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: fairings Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:01:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00d501be36de$7cfabf80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <645f924f.368e709a@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Baker Airwings. They might have a sight reachable by going to: http://www.inb.net and then selecting corporate clients. AirWings are those air diverters you see on a lot of touring bikes. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 01:00:45 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21236 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:57:33 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: chain maintenance Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:03:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601be36de$c4a463e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <787513d4.368e72e0@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, RUBs are riding on belt drive bikes... Spray the top length of the chain (or bottom, whichever you can reach) and roll the bike forward or backward enough to get the other part of the chain. No problem. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 01:05:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21318 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20791 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29103 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 Jan 1999 01:02:38 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:08:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00d801be36df$7ae53080$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Check out the NMA site. I believe they have some info on the .08 BAC in general. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 02:42:01 1999 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23363 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle (207-172-73-50.s50.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.50]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA23343 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:41:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990103024110.008e3d40@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 02:41:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride In-Reply-To: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" thanks to everyone who wrote get-well letters !! target-fixation + ice + big ditch in other-wise flat field = BAD unfortunately, i broke one of the bones in my left fore-arm, so i won't be riding for a while :(. but thanks to leon, dale, and (geez, i can't even remember your name.. sorry) i was able to get quick attention and my bike got home safely.. like dale said, the ambulance team was there before i finished my "oh damn, i did something stupid" cigarette.. oh well, typing with one hand is kinda tough (even tougher with all the pain-drugs i'm on). thanks again and ride safely everyone ;) --Karl Mueller 1988 (white/mud/grass-colored) EX500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 03:41:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA24312 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA22119 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00575 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-99.s99.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.99]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03877; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368F346C.CC4C0091@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 04:12:13 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is yet another reason why ABATE as an organization has very little respect in my eyes and will never get a penny of my money to help their causes..... Honestly, I don't see how the title is applicable... this isn't a new problem for MD motorcyclists...It's a simple thing.. If you drink, don't ride. period. And if you're the type that doesn't live by this rule, fine, but don't ever expect to ride in my company. Collin (rant mode off) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 08:46:46 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28721 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwnrK-0006Ap-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:22 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21944 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04273 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901031346.IAA04273@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: fairings (BakerBuilt webpage) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Baker Airwings. They might have a sight reachable by going to: > > http://www.inb.net Actually I found them directly at: http://www.bakerbuilt.com/ Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 12:51:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02381 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26652 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [129.2.128.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04283 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bandwidth.eng.umd.edu ((IDENT knee)@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.136]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id MAA27562; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:50:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert S. Fourney" Received: (from knee@localhost) by bandwidth.eng.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.8.7) id MAA01722; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:50:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:50:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901031750.MAA01722@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu> To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Folks, please try to distinguish between the writings of Bill, who happens to be a member of ABATE and ABATE itself. I missed the last state meeting, and don't know if this bill was discussed or not. I'm sure that many in ABATE don't approve of this bill, and probably many others do. I'll make a few phone calls and post later if ABATE has taken any official position on this. In the meantime, don't paint us all with the same brush. Remember it was ABATE that first brought you the Baltimore Toy run, the Maryland MSF classes, and many other "good things" (TM). You're not currrently required to carry "extra" catastrophic insurance to ride in Maryland, thanks again to ABATE. You can park two bikes in a metered spot starting last year, etc, etc. I've been a county coordinator for ABATE for the last 2 or 3 years (stepped down this year) and I don't agree with everything WE do or try to do, but it's the only voice you have at the state level. I believe in the AMA and the MRF also, but at the state level these guys don't do a tenth of what ABATE does, at least here in Maryland. I'll also speak to Mr. Gawthrop and ask him to please make a better effort to distinguish his personal views from those of ABATE (again, I don't know if he did this this time, but when I find out I will call it to his attention) Bob Fourney From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 13:10:00 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02633 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:09:59 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.71]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F4Z00EJEX3L18@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:10:02 -0500 Subject: Front end wanted To: 400 list , Race List , dc-cycles Message-id: <001a01be3744$4b7c6560$474937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I know someone who is looking to buy a complete front end. He wants USD units that will fit a FZR600. Early 90's GSX-R 750/1100, etc. He wants everything, wheels, triple, clip-ons, etc.. Let me know privately, thanks. Jon dawn.jon@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 16:21:34 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05656 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA21818 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.194]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990103212057.XFUF18494@toddnt> for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:20:57 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Like if ya ain't already getting enough..... Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be375f$3f0c8b00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 FYI > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Hawk > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 11:28 AM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: Like if ya ain't already getting enough..... > > > Getting enough as in "e-mail", that is. Carl Paukstis has updated his > "mailinglistroundup" of motorcycle oriented "Lists". It's been updated as > of yesterday and contains "all known motorcycle-related mailing lists > available via Internet electronic mail". There's quite a few new groups. > Fyi... > http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ Hawk Hibbs "When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl." IBA, CBA/ABATE of NC (Life), AMA (Extra Mile), HSTA, MRF, BMWMOA. Current rides: 1998 VFR800F1 ("Jailbait") * 1985 XLH1000 ("$$%#&*!") From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 21:31:34 1999 Return-Path: pippinc@XXXXXX Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10537 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (sf-141.sfo.com [207.33.216.141]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15630; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:31:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3692C992.E6E605D7@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:25:27 -0800 From: pippin Reply-To: pippin@XXXXXX Organization: Cavagnaro Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fzr-400@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, 400list , RaceList , dc-cycles Subject: Re: FZR-400: Front end wanted References: <001a01be3744$4b7c6560$474937a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Need a front end: My friend has a FULL front end off a 1989 or 90 GSXR 750, he wants $500 obo: call Franz at 415-255-6170. Pippin From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 02:41:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA15867 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05426 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA15118 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 02:37:46 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: online tires Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <008d01be37b5$c4357ac0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Found a tire seller online. Not sure what the prices are like for the sportier tires, but they had damned good prices on some Elite II's for my Wing. http://www.tiresunlimited.com/ ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:30:31 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20318 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:30:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990104123528.19402.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send204.yahoomail.com; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 04:35:28 PST Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 04:35:28 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Calling "Bike Dealer"....... To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for the poster that works at a dealership.. Do you all sell Honda's??? More to follow... Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20612 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8FC4C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104074535.00fc34a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:47:15 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: military bases In-Reply-To: <02e501be34e6$df81c9e0$2f10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd like to see the Air Force or any of the other services use their motorcycle arguments everytime they destroy a taxpayer's airplane and kill pilot(s). Funny, but they seem to think THAT'S an okay risk. 10 years as a Navy civilian was enough for me, Chris Norloff At 12:56 PM 12/31/98 , mobacc wrote: >FWIW -- The January '99 Cycle World has a full column on MC-bashing by a >retiring Air Force general. p.10. Still on some stands. > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 generally attempting safety >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: STARAI@XXXXXX >To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX ; >gixer@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: military bases > > >>If a car is legally on the street, you can bring it on base. The same >should >>be true for mtorcycles. Protective wear and an MSF course may be a good >idea, >>but it is not required to ride. >> >>In a message dated 12/31/98 8:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: >> >>> >>> Collin, >>> >>> Federal Property is public land. It may get exception due to Nat'l >>> Security or something, but it is NOT a private entity exempt from public >>> laws (i.e. ADA, etc.). >>> >>> That notwithstanding, I agree with your positions about MCing on >post/base. >>> The rules and regs are NOT that tough (nothing that a responsible rider >>> shouldn't do), but they are not enforced in a uniform manner nor equally >>> with other "risky" behaviors. >>> >>> --chris (only in the service for the 22 years he spent as a dependent >;-) >>> >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20611 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8F94C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:01 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104073755.00fccf10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:38:22 -0500 To: "mobacc" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: weather In-Reply-To: <01bf01be3462$4b1d3fc0$2f10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:07 PM 12/30/98 , mobacc wrote: >Frigid on a bike? Immerse yourself in "To Build A Fire", a short by Jack >London (reread by yours truly last summer) and feel fortunate. Minus 50deg. >and the Yukon miner gets glove and match problems. A real chiller. That story always sends shivers up my spine ... literally and figuratively. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20616 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08481 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA18630 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8FD4C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104075129.00fe35a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:52:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 PM 1/2/99 , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >The bottom line is: Do we want to lower a threshold that will criminalize a >120 lb person for having two glasses of wine in two hours? No, unless they try to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20617 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8FB4C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104074359.00fc76d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:44:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: military bases In-Reply-To: <998fcf92.368ba01c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Be sure to use that argument with the gate guard. Chris Norloff At 11:02 AM 12/31/98 , STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >If a car is legally on the street, you can bring it on base. The same should >be true for mtorcycles. Protective wear and an MSF course may be a good idea, >but it is not required to ride. > >In a message dated 12/31/98 8:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, >christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: > >> >> Collin, >> >> Federal Property is public land. It may get exception due to Nat'l >> Security or something, but it is NOT a private entity exempt from public >> laws (i.e. ADA, etc.). >> >> That notwithstanding, I agree with your positions about MCing on post/base. >> The rules and regs are NOT that tough (nothing that a responsible rider >> shouldn't do), but they are not enforced in a uniform manner nor equally >> with other "risky" behaviors. >> >> --chris (only in the service for the 22 years he spent as a dependent ;-) >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20621 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08487 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA18646 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9084C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:16 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104075455.00fc5080@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:56:44 -0500 To: "Robert S. Fourney" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <199901031750.MAA01722@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well said. The crazy thing about dealing with politics and groups of people trying to change laws (rights' groups, political action committees, etc.) is that there are few things that ALL agree on, but there's enough common ground to work together. Chris Norloff At 12:50 PM 1/3/99 , Robert S. Fourney wrote: > > Folks, please try to distinguish between the writings of Bill, >who happens to be a member of ABATE and ABATE itself. I missed the >last state meeting, and don't know if this bill was discussed or not. >I'm sure that many in ABATE don't approve of this bill, and probably >many others do. I'll make a few phone calls and post later if ABATE has >taken any official position on this. In the meantime, don't paint us >all with the same brush. Remember it was ABATE that first brought you >the Baltimore Toy run, the Maryland MSF classes, and many other "good >things" (TM). You're not currrently required to carry "extra" catastrophic >insurance to ride in Maryland, thanks again to ABATE. You can park two >bikes in a metered spot starting last year, etc, etc. I've been a >county coordinator for ABATE for the last 2 or 3 years (stepped down this >year) and I don't agree with everything WE do or try to do, but it's the >only voice you have at the state level. I believe in the AMA and the MRF >also, but at the state level these guys don't do a tenth of what ABATE does, >at least here in Maryland. > > I'll also speak to Mr. Gawthrop and ask him to please make >a better effort to distinguish his personal views from those of ABATE >(again, I don't know if he did this this time, but when I find out I >will call it to his attention) > > > Bob Fourney > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 08:36:17 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21376 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990104134114.8344.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send204.yahoomail.com; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 05:41:14 PST Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 05:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: Calling "Bike Dealer"....... To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Never-mind...question answered...thanks Anita... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 10:18:05 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23096 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:18:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990104151719.18370.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send101.yahoomail.com; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:17:19 PST Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:17:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: NYC moto show - ride request from Arlington to Bus departure site To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Could anyone attending the January 16th New York City moto show bus trip offer me a ride from Arlington to the bus departure site? (I have a return ride already.) Please reply off-line at Nomad98@XXXXXX Thanks,Herb '94 Magna ---Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: > > On 23 Dec 98, at 16:01, Todd Peer wrote: > > > Where are you? > > There is a light dusting of snow sticking to cars and grassy areas > in Herndon. And, there is more coming down! I'm surprised my > coworkers haven't abandoned ship yet! :-) > > White Christmas? Bah Humbug! :-) > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 10:38:58 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23436 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA01900 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104153823.CSJG652@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:38:23 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Careful of the Sand... Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be37f8$96192540$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal ...for those still riding. Found a downed rider not even a mile from my house this morning. He was taking a left onto the FFax Co Pkwy and lost the front due to the sand put down for this (pphhppt :p) winter storm we had Saturday evening. A superclean Superhawk that left signal globes and bits of plastic behind. Rider's ok. Not real clear how it happened as everything was broken on the right side and he was going left. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 10:51:34 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23679 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX5NJZKP; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:50:31 EST To: stpeter@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Weather Riding Message-ID: <19990102.170858.5167.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <01BE352A.AFF7BE20.stpeter@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:50:31 EST On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:01:44 -0500 "Jay St. Peter" writes: >The coldest I've ever ridden was -12. I rode from my house in Falls >Church to Fair Oaks mall just before Christmas (about 6 years ago). >Spartan Suit mentioned above for sale, it barely looks used. I just >got a Widder vest for X-mas. What size, color? I'm thinking of selling my car and buying a new motorcycle... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 11:21:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24252 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11090 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24887 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:21:11 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HESLa06037 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:20:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <27d00eed.3690ea34@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:20:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Careful of the Sand... -highside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Possibly, he took the turn too quickly and his rear end slid out to the right and highsided him to the right. Bike would land on the right side I would think if its a slow speed highside. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 11:38:38 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24523 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 259 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 11:37:55 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Brr! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 degrees F. = 8-o Regards, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 11:51:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24808 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11572 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26184 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27569; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104165039.EQXS652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:50:39 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Careful of the Sand... -highside Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be3802$aead8510$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <27d00eed.3690ea34@aol.com> That's possible and probable as the turn is on an off-cambor bit of pavement and the there did'nt appear to be any scraping. Bummer all the same. Todd > > Possibly, he took the turn too quickly and his rear end slid out > to the right > and highsided him to the right. Bike would land on the right side I would > think if its a slow speed highside. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:07:53 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25058 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA08902 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:07:01 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:07:01 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:07:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I gotta find something warmer than Dockers >for the lower half Dale - I've got a pair of bib ski pants that work for me into the lower 20s - not too fashionable, but what the hell... Get 'em big enough to pull over your regular pants, and away you go. I got mine at Burlington about 3 years ago. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:20:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25291 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11998 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27268 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:40 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EWKVa01223 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fcad59e.3690f846@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:06 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Brr! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I went out this morning and found it was just a tad too cold for me to go riding, but it sure isnt too cold to go spend my gift certificate at cycle world! I think Im gonna get some rain gear, fog city shield, and a new windscreen. its like a second christmas =). Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:21:11 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25300 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA06636; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104171937.FMFT652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:19:37 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:21:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind protection. On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty :) Todd Dale Horstman wrote: > Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta > find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the > gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 > degrees F. = 8-o > > Regards, > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:53:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25794 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12387 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28324 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:53:21 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EDZa000804; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:35:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:35:23 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: keirnan racing supplies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Just a heads up to all those who are thinking about dealing with this company. Back in july I sent them a check for $164.95 for a dunlop d207, which never showed. I had to call them to get an answer. They said they were out of stock. so I said I will just leave it as a credit. Then, a few months back, I needed another tire, and they didnt respond to me or send one. ok, maybe they are just out of stock again. well about a month ago I ordered some winter gloves from them and I have had no response, no glove, no nothing from them. Today I just sent an email asking for my money back, no credit, no merchandise, just my $164.95. And I bet I will see no response from this either. Does anyone know of anyway I can get my money back? This business is run by one guy out of his house from what I understand, and the check has already been cashed. Sean 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:56:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25816 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0D31EDD0098; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:56:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104130126.00fe8010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:03:20 -0500 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Brr! Cc: Horkster@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I bought polar-fleece lined wind pants (overpants) from Campmor (http://www.campmor.com). Very nice. Chris Norloff At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >protection. > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty >:) > >Todd > >Dale Horstman wrote: >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >> degrees F. = 8-o >> >> Regards, >> Dale >> >> -- >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >> horkster@XXXXXX >> Dale City, Virginia >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:02:11 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26001 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 319; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:01:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:01:30 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love being uncomfortable during my commute..... At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >protection. > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty >:) > >Todd > >Dale Horstman wrote: >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >> degrees F. = 8-o >> >> Regards, >> Dale >> >> -- >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >> horkster@XXXXXX >> Dale City, Virginia >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:17:20 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26281 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxEYm-0000E9-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:17:00 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB78@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles List Subject: Motorcycle in Motion Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:13:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE37E4.4B40C640" This message is in MIME format. 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13:41:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Brr! References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Troutman wrote: > > Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all > subject yourself to these torments. Because cars suck. > I love to ride, but I dont love being uncomfortable during my > commute..... I've got a car, the wife uses it instead of her bike when the temps drop below 50 or so - I guess my threshold is just lower. Currently it's 18 degrees. I've never gotten to try anything colder than that, so it's 18 degrees. But I'm not a big fan of ice, icy roads will generally force me to take a cage. And sometimes I choose not to ride to work during heavy morning monsoons, but those are rare. I can't say that I was uncomfortable this morning, if I was really cold, I would have stopped and put on my rainpants on the ride in. Todd is right, they block the wind enough to make those 18 degree days tolerable. :) > At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer > >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come > >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind > >protection. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:44:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26710 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA17378; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:45:18 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017216; Mon, 4 Jan 99 13:44:46 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5100M56TEBCS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EF.0066C184 ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:42:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:40:14 -0500 Subject: RE: Brr! To: Mike Troutman Cc: DC Cycles List Message-id: <852566EF.006658C6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Here we go ... geez Mike, why didn't you just say something about handguns or helmet laws? :-) --chris (preparing for the onslaught of e-mails) To: Todd Peer , Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List cc: From: Mike Troutman Date: 01/04/99 06:01:30 PM GMT Subject: RE: Brr! Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love being uncomfortable during my commute..... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:52:49 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26874 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA03001; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:52:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104185202.HPBE652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:52:02 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:54:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be3813$a33842e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Believe it or not Mike, I absolutely prefer my motorcycle over my car whenever I can. Cold weather is simply a challenge to be overcome. And it can be! I DO have a car, and occasionally drive in to work. Usually it is raining, or I plan to go shopping after work or something. There are days I wonder why I didn't drive. But when the weather's bad for days straight (icy roads, rainy rain, etc.), I go NUTS not riding. Can you say, obsession? It is an absolute thrill and relief to finally get back to the ride. I've often said to myself as I'm tooling along, "Yeah, it's (boiling hot/freezing cold/.etc.), but I'm glad I'm not in a cage." YMMV. ;) Todd Mike Troutman wrote: > Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all > subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can > understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love > being uncomfortable during my commute..... > > At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I > just suffer > >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain > pants will come > >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind > >protection. > > > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's > work great. > >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands > were toasty > >:) > > > >Todd > > > >Dale Horstman wrote: > >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta > >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the > >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 > >> degrees F. = 8-o > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dale > >> > >> -- > >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > >> horkster@XXXXXX > >> Dale City, Virginia > >> > >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > >> > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:53:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26884 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13245 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00457 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA30673; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104185203.HPBL652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:52:03 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , , Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:54:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be3813$a3ae0f20$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: It's run by Keith Keirnan. I've had one bad experience with him that he fixed promptly and with no hassle. I purchased D205's for the ST1100 and got the wrong sizes. He dropped the shipping I paid (I paid to ship the wrong tires back) and he discounted the cost further on a drop shipment right from his distributor. I always speak to him on the phone, never via email. Though it is a one man operation, Keith has always been very easy to deal with. I'd suggest you get a copy of the cancelled check and request the invoice copy/and delivery information associated with it. Obviously, if the invoice and delivery notes aren't available, you never purchased anything. From this point you may begin to build your case, or get some of that merchandise you want. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [mailto:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:35 PM > To: tl1000s@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: keirnan racing supplies > > > Just a heads up to all those who are thinking about dealing with > this company. > Back in july I sent them a check for $164.95 for a dunlop d207, > which never > showed. I had to call them to get an answer. They said they were > out of stock. > so I said I will just leave it as a credit. Then, a few months > back, I needed > another tire, and they didnt respond to me or send one. ok, maybe they are > just out of stock again. well about a month ago I ordered some > winter gloves > from them and I have had no response, no glove, no nothing from them. > Today I just sent an email asking for my money back, no credit, no > merchandise, just my $164.95. And I bet I will see no response from this > either. Does anyone know of anyway I can get my money back? This > business is > run by one guy out of his house from what I understand, and the check has > already been cashed. > > Sean > 98 TLR > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:57:32 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26989 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF186E70234; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:57:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104133756.00fec470@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:40:07 -0500 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3690EE63.39CF535A@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not uncomfortable. Caging it to work and taking more time and paying more to park one day than I pay to park the bike all month, now THAT'S uncomfortable! Caging it to the Metro, and paying Metro parking fees and passenger fees, now THAT'S uncomfortable. Me, I'm happy. But I could use a bigger Aerostich. :-( Chris Norloff At 01:01 PM 1/4/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: >Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all >subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can >understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love >being uncomfortable during my commute..... > >At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >>You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer >>it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come >>out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >>protection. >> >>On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. >>I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty >>:) >> >>Todd >> >>Dale Horstman wrote: >>> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >>> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >>> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >>> degrees F. = 8-o >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dale >>> >>> -- >>> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >>> horkster@XXXXXX >>> Dale City, Virginia >>> >>> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >>> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >>> > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:02:10 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27079 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX5ZGW3E; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:01:38 EST To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brr! Message-ID: <19990102.195443.8159.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,7-12,16-17,20-24 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:01:38 EST On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:01:30 -0500 "Mike Troutman" writes: >Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all >subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can >understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I can't speak for everybody, but back when I rode all the time, even though I had a perfectly good truck at home, it was for a number of reasons: 1. Motorcycles are more fun than cars. 2. It's a good feeling to battle the elements and win. 3. The weather shouldn't prevent you from doing what you like if it's still reasonably safe. People ski, and ice skate, and climb mountains in very cold weather and no one calls them nuts (except maybe the mountain climber people...) 4. I used to really like the stunned looks I got from people in their cars in the winter and the rueful headshaking that my coworkers went through after they said, "You rode in TODAY?! It's freezing cold out! But hey, that's just me... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:02:45 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27111 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15026; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:02:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104190207.HVCP652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:02:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Motorcycle in Motion Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be3815$0b8496e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB78@badge.tuckerflyer.com> I could only get it to work if I included it onto a webpage. Animated .gif? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 1:13 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Motorcycle in Motion > > > Whoever it was that wanted an image of a motorcycle in motion (Louis?), > I received the below today. Just click on the bike after it comes up. > It's pretty cool! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:02:57 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27135 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zxFGp-0004Ue-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:31 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22796 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED754@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:06:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Does anyone know of anyway I can get my money back? This business is > > run by one guy out of his house from what I understand, and the > check has > > already been cashed. > > > My experience with Kerinan (To make a REALLY long story REALLY short): > > Bought a $1000 set of leathers from them. First set too small and he > said send them back and he will send larger set with no problem. He > was gonna charge me for both but as soon as he got the originals back > he would credit my account $1000 bucks for the first set. I promptly > sent back the originals, got the second set which fit fine and waited > for my $1000 credit to show up on my visa after confirming with them > that they had received my returned leathers. Well after about 3 > months, too many calls to Kiernan to count, calls to VISA, calls to > the Better Business Bureau, threats to call the Chamber of commerce, > threats to call the prosecutors in NJ (this was theft as far as I was > concerned), threats to post my story to the Motorcycle Racing email > list, I got my $1000 bucks. I will never do business with them again > and would caution anyone to do so at great risk. > > I knew it was gonna be hell when one of his "employees" said that they > wanted me to take the $1000 bucks in parts instead of a credit to my > visa because the shop was having financial difficulty. Needless to > say I was F@#KING pissed!!!! > > Do what I did and tell everyone and anyone (BBB, Chamber of Commerce, > etc.) and make sure they know that you are gonna do so. > > Good luck. > > > Dave Cross > WERA & CCS #416am > --------------------------- > Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles > (703) 818 8890 > http://www.fastlanecycles.com > --------------------------- > 90 FZR400 (race) > 94 VFR750 (street) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:11:04 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27238 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 398 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:10:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990104140702.01f90c50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:10:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <000b01be3813$a33842e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don't get me wrong here. That wasn't a troll or anything. I just hear a lot of whining on the list about 'fair weather riders' and lately a lot of bitching about how cold / wet / icy it is on the bike. My bike is naked and I can't seem to find wearable equipment that really blocks the wind and it's associated wind chill. Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. .02 MT At 01:54 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Believe it or not Mike, I absolutely prefer my motorcycle over my car >whenever I can. Cold weather is simply a challenge to be overcome. And it >can be! > >I DO have a car, and occasionally drive in to work. Usually it is raining, >or I plan to go shopping after work or something. There are days I wonder >why I didn't drive. But when the weather's bad for days straight (icy >roads, rainy rain, etc.), I go NUTS not riding. Can you say, obsession? It >is an absolute thrill and relief to finally get back to the ride. > >I've often said to myself as I'm tooling along, "Yeah, it's (boiling >hot/freezing cold/.etc.), but I'm glad I'm not in a cage." YMMV. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:12:44 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27314 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA18493; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:12:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104191208.IAZN652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:12:08 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles List" Cc: Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01be3816$71c7ad60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104130126.00fe8010@mail.toward.com> Well Chris, I looked all over the pants section: http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=9748&cgmen br=226 And the best I could find were the 'Campmor' Summit pants at $89: http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=18581&prmen br=226 Didn't see any fleece lined windproof pants. You don't happen to know the name of the pants you're describing do you? Todd Chris Norloff wrote: > > I bought polar-fleece lined wind pants (overpants) from Campmor > (http://www.campmor.com). Very nice. > > Chris Norloff > > > At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I > just suffer > >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain > pants will come > >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind > >protection. > > > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's > work great. > >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands > were toasty > >:) > > > >Todd > > > >Dale Horstman wrote: > >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta > >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the > >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 > >> degrees F. = 8-o > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dale > >> > >> -- > >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > >> horkster@XXXXXX > >> Dale City, Virginia > >> > >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:17:02 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27418 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05236 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:16:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Mike Troutman wrote: > Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all > subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can > understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love > being uncomfortable during my commute..... The key to not being uncomfortable is preparation. I do not get cold when commuting on my motorcycle. Actually, I get cold when commuting in my car. While my old car would heat up within a mile causing me to be cold for the first 5-10 minutes of driving the new car takes more like 10-15 minutes to heat up. Like most people in their cars I dress for the period after the car is warmed up, not before. So, I freeze until the heater starts doing its job. On the bike I start out hot (I keep meaning to put my final layer on outside so I don't get so hot but always forget). Once underway I let myself cool off until I'm comfortable and then I switch the electric vest on. Hence, I don't get cold at all in a 45 minute commute. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:25:46 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27533 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DKCVa27768 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4d3babda.3691158f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cheap leg warmers (was RE: Brr!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 For those of you who are more interested in warmth than in crash protection, there are always old ski pants at Value Village and Village Thrift (this doesn't mean they will have your size the first time you look). Sometimes these pants even have full length leg zippers, so you can get them on and off without removing your boots. VV and VT are large chain thrift shops which cater to low income people, and not trendy kids. There are several of each in the DC area, and also in Baltimore. Check your phone book, then go find something to keep your legs warm for $5 or $10. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:35:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27771 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13962 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02158 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxFmo-0002ae-02; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:34 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:33:59 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB81@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:31:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have dealt with Kiernan on numerous occasions myself, always by phone, and have never had a problem. I just ordered my new tires that were put on a few weeks ago through Kiernan. I don't have his phone number handy, but good luck! I'm surprised to hear that this has happened. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 1:54 PM > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; tl1000s@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX; balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies > > It's run by Keith Keirnan. I've had one bad experience with him that > he > fixed promptly and with no hassle. I purchased D205's for the ST1100 > and > got the wrong sizes. He dropped the shipping I paid (I paid to ship > the > wrong tires back) and he discounted the cost further on a drop > shipment > right from his distributor. > > I always speak to him on the phone, never via email. Though it is a > one man > operation, Keith has always been very easy to deal with. > > I'd suggest you get a copy of the cancelled check and request the > invoice > copy/and delivery information associated with it. Obviously, if the > invoice > and delivery notes aren't available, you never purchased anything. > From > this point you may begin to build your case, or get some of that > merchandise > you want. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:39:42 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27800 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901041939.OAA27800@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:39:26 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:39:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) you mean to say that people in cars know how to drive at some times in the year? Could have fooled me. I actualy get a bigger cushion/more space and consideration in the winter than I do in the summer.. makes me feel safer, esp. since I'm fairly sure I know what the limits of my tires are (traction wise)... It's cold, I'm somtimes hurting when I get home.. but even if I had a car, I wouldn't drive (which was the case last winter for a long while). Love my motorcycles to much... Brian > -----Original Message----- > Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in > Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:52:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28043 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC0814500092; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:52:40 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104144741.00ff7b70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:58:51 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Brr! Cc: In-Reply-To: <000f01be3816$71c7ad60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990104130126.00fe8010@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" These pants don't have any name on them, and they were made in Bangladesh so they might be a "deal of the week". They were about $40, about a year and a a half ago. They also might be a catalog-only item -- I'd try the printed catalog, or call the 800 no. and ask them. I had to call and ask when I wanted something out of season (and I got it). good luck, Chris Norloff At 02:14 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Well Chris, > >I looked all over the pants section: >http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=9748&cgmen >br=226 > >And the best I could find were the 'Campmor' Summit pants at $89: >http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=18581&prmen >br=226 > >Didn't see any fleece lined windproof pants. You don't happen to know the >name of the pants you're describing do you? > >Todd > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> I bought polar-fleece lined wind pants (overpants) from Campmor >> (http://www.campmor.com). Very nice. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >> >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I >> just suffer >> >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain >> pants will come >> >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >> >protection. >> > >> >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's >> work great. >> >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands >> were toasty >> >:) >> > >> >Todd >> > >> >Dale Horstman wrote: >> >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >> >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >> >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >> >> degrees F. = 8-o >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Dale >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >> >> horkster@XXXXXX >> >> Dale City, Virginia >> >> >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >> >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> >> >> > >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:59:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28142 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14309 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02797 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zxG93-0005ll-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:33 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29891 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:02:55 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED756@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:02:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Apologies if this gets sent twice: My experience with Kerinan (To make a REALLY long story REALLY short): Bought a $1000 set of leathers from them. First set too small and he said send them back and he will send larger set with no problem. He was gonna charge me for both but as soon as he got the originals back he would credit my account $1000 bucks for the first set. I promptly sent back the originals, got the second set which fit fine and waited for my $1000 credit to show up on my visa after confirming with them that they had received my returned leathers. Well after about 3 months, too many calls to Kiernan to count, calls to VISA, calls to the Better Business Bureau, threats to call the Chamber of commerce, threats to call the prosecutors in NJ (this was theft as far as I was concerned), threats to post my story to the Motorcycle Racing email list, I got my $1000 bucks. I will never do business with them again and would caution anyone to do so at great risk. I knew it was gonna be hell when one of his "employees" said that they wanted me to take the $1000 bucks in parts instead of a credit to my visa because the shop was having financial difficulty. Needless to say I was F@#KING pissed!!!! Do what I did and tell everyone and anyone (BBB, Chamber of Commerce, etc.) and make sure they know that you are gonna do so. Good luck. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:00:23 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28232 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for dc-cycles.org!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Mon Jan 4 14:16 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA04417 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE37EE.229AB160@XXXXXX>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'McKeithen@XXXXXX'" Subject: MC rental in England Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, I have no direct experience, but if I ever hit the lotto I'm going to call these guys: http://www.cbmtours.demon.co.uk/ They don't list their rates, but they sure have some pretty bikes in the fleet. There are other rental links here: http://www.dropbears.com/bikelinks/rentals.htm ...but I'm kind of biased toward the classics :) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:39:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: MC rental in England Anybody have any experience with renting a motorcycle in England. My wife and I may be making a two week trip there in the spring. I'm thinking it might interesting to rent one for a portion of that time. Positives/negatives/expense? Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:03:46 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28259 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA31905; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:03:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104200310.JFPN652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:03:10 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be381d$92c1bd10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104140702.01f90c50@mail.wheatintl.com> > Don't get me wrong here. That wasn't a troll or anything. I just hear a > lot of whining on the list about 'fair weather riders' and lately a lot of > bitching about how cold / wet / icy it is on the bike. My bike is naked > and I can't seem to find wearable equipment that really blocks > the wind and > it's associated wind chill. I didn't think you were baiting. And from my perspective, the bitching is a simple and fun way to relate the experience :) I found ANY wind fairing on a naked bike is better than none. And there are some pretty cool looking ones for the CB750. Others have mentioned it before, and I have direct experience with the Spartan one piece winter suit. It's like a ski-mobile suit that is waterproof too (for about .5 hour). I wore my work clothes only with this suit, a pair of winter gloves, a neck warmer, and my riding boots when I used to ride my CB750 to work...No fairing...and I was rather comfy! > > Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in > Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. I think you just happened to notice the BDC's at about the time change. Believe me, they're all idiots out there regardless of the time. Things I've seen in the last two weeks: - two cars trading hand jestures on 395-S. Windchill of about -13 and passenger gets out over hood of car on right, no shirt on and threateningly points off to other car. Road-Rage. I wish he fell out >:> - On two separate occassions, local semis closing the gap on cages that think they can stop them...frightening. - Car and passenger flying through stop sign onto Backlick road and into left most lane of four. Nearly clobbers Glenn Dysart (who I was following). A-hole made no attempt to stop, and gave Glenn the bird. - Constant tailgating by local a-holes even though I'm travelling at least 5mph over. - Blinkers to merge right with no yield from cars ahead. Discourteous a-holes! - more, but I won't bore you.... Todd > > .02 > > MT > > At 01:54 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >Believe it or not Mike, I absolutely prefer my motorcycle over my car > >whenever I can. Cold weather is simply a challenge to be > overcome. And it > >can be! > > > >I DO have a car, and occasionally drive in to work. Usually it > is raining, > >or I plan to go shopping after work or something. There are > days I wonder > >why I didn't drive. But when the weather's bad for days straight (icy > >roads, rainy rain, etc.), I go NUTS not riding. Can you say, > obsession? It > >is an absolute thrill and relief to finally get back to the ride. > > > >I've often said to myself as I'm tooling along, "Yeah, it's (boiling > >hot/freezing cold/.etc.), but I'm glad I'm not in a cage." YMMV. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:05:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28339 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14415 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03390 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX542Q6B; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:03:47 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: keirnan racing supplies Message-ID: <19990102.205652.8159.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,9-11,14-18 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:03:47 EST The easiest thing to try is to have a lawyer (or someone who plays one on TV) give them a call to explain that he/she is preparing to represent you in the matter and aiming for pulling his business license. I've done this before once or twice to light a fire under someone's butt. How did you hear about Keirnan Racing Supplies? If you saw an ad in a magazine, you might call the magazine. I've heard of magazines putting pressure on advertisers to handle deals fairly. I know the magazine needs the advertiser to stay in business, but the advertiser needs a place to advertise, too, so maybe the magazine can help. Also, the AMA is always hot to jump down someone's throat... Then there is the ever popular "full page ad" attack which I put forth a while ago for someone else being mistreated by a business. To do this, though you have to spend money... Git 'em! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:26:21 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28788 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA17341 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:25:21 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:25:21 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Crishock, Richard" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'McKeithen@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MC rental in England Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:26:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >They don't list their rates Actually, they do - tours starting at 3,100 Quid per rider. The = following is from their website: Standard Package The Standard package includes:- 7 nights / 8 days tour A classic British motorcycle for 7 1/2 days Support vehicle to deal with any problems including replacement = motorcycles in the unlikely event of a breakdown Luggage transfer by our support vehicle Full time guide Insurance cover against 3rd party claims; and theft or damage cover = above your deposit First class accommodation in Country Inns and Manor Houses A maximum of 5 motorcycles per group The following items are not covered:- Airport pick-up / drop off although this is offeed at competitive rates = Food and drink=20 Personal expenditure including entrance fees=20 Fuel=20 Motorcycle clothing=20 Prices for the Standard tour start from =A33,100 per rider.=20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:28:53 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28863 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxGcG-0001ON-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:28:44 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB87@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Superbowl Party! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:25:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain The next DC Cycles party is scheduled to start at 3PM on January 31, for the superbowl!! I, for one, couldn't give a rat's a*& about the superbowl, but I figure any excuse for a party! Some of you previously generously offered to bring drinks and/or food and any and all of that is definitely welcome! The party will be at 1220 S. Columbus Street (at the intersection of S. Columbus and George Mason Drive in Arlington.) If you need directions, I'll be posting them soon. Tom's better at that stuff than me... P.S. Whoever stole Todd's jacket liner is NOT invited. hee hee - Jeannette & Thomas '86 VFR 700 F2 '86 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:51:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29294 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9DC21800098; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:51:40 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104155610.00ff3bb0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:57:11 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Superbowl Party! In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB87@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Isn't the SuperBowl where they ride motorcycles in a small high-banked race track? Kind of like the Circle of Death? Sounds good to me! :-) Chris Norloff At 03:25 PM 1/4/99 , you wrote: >The next DC Cycles party is scheduled to start at 3PM on January 31, for >the superbowl!! > >I, for one, couldn't give a rat's a*& about the superbowl, but I figure >any excuse for a party! > >Some of you previously generously offered to bring drinks and/or food >and any and all of that is definitely welcome! > >The party will be at 1220 S. Columbus Street (at the intersection of S. >Columbus and George Mason Drive in Arlington.) If you need directions, >I'll be posting them soon. Tom's better at that stuff than me... > >P.S. Whoever stole Todd's jacket liner is NOT invited. hee hee > >- Jeannette & Thomas > '86 VFR 700 F2 > '86 VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:57:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29368 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA08077; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:56:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104205619.KNIH652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:56:19 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Jordan, Michael" , "Crishock, Richard" , Cc: Subject: RE: MC rental in England Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:58:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be3824$ff872e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Michael Jordan reported: > >They don't list their rates > > Actually, they do - tours starting at 3,100 Quid per rider. The > following is > from their website: > > Standard Package > > The Standard package includes:- > 7 nights / 8 days tour > A classic British motorcycle for 7 1/2 days > Support vehicle to deal with any problems including replacement > motorcycles > in the unlikely event of a breakdown > Luggage transfer by our support vehicle > Full time guide > Insurance cover against 3rd party claims; and theft or damage cover above > your deposit > First class accommodation in Country Inns and Manor Houses > A maximum of 5 motorcycles per group > > The following items are not covered:- > Airport pick-up / drop off although this is offeed at competitive rates > Food and drink > Personal expenditure including entrance fees > Fuel > Motorcycle clothing > > Prices for the Standard tour start from £3,100 per rider. That works out to $5,146.21 as of 3:55pm today. =8-o Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:14:03 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29699 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxHK2-0006pT-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:13:59 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB8C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:10:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wish, then maybe I'd watch it more often! LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 3:57 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party! > > Isn't the SuperBowl where they ride motorcycles in a small high-banked > race > track? Kind of like the Circle of Death? Sounds good to me! > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:31:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00150 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15711 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07615 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX59TTYQ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:27:24 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: keirnan racing supplies Message-ID: <19990102.221915.4855.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000c01be3813$a3ae0f20$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,11-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:27:24 EST On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:54:21 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >I'd suggest you get a copy of the cancelled check and request the invoice copy/and >delivery information associated with it. Obviously, if the invoice and delivery notes >aren't available, you never purchased anything. This advice is much better than mine. I'm feeling bitter because I've been wrestling with insurance companies for a few weeks now. It's got me fired up so now all I want to do is go straight for the throat. Ignore my advice and follow Todd's. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:44:02 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00372 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 334 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:42:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3691360E.C5AF2D7F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:43:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Now here's a Goldwing I wouldn't mind riding! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://web2.airmail.net/onethumb/stuff/ -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:55:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00598 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16069 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08344 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zxHxJ-0000wk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:54:33 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27251 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED758@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:58:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ignore my advice and follow Todd's. > > I liked yours better, but I've got reason to. Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 17:10:55 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00856 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:10:54 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA21173; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:12:29 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021088; Mon, 4 Jan 99 17:11:46 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F52005JB2ZAEJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EF.0079B484 ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:09:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:06:19 -0500 Subject: Hide behind the fairing? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EF.007937C2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL OK. I'll concede that *maybe* this is one time where I'd rather bein a cage. --chris http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990104/V000224-010499-idx.ht ml ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 18:01:08 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01793 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id RAA15587; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:58:14 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab15330; Mon, 4 Jan 99 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5200J6X54TVG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EF.007DE4EF ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:55:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:49:30 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: Hide behind the fairing? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EF.007C3D2F.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Yeah, but at least on a bike you can accellerate and swerve enough to make a damn hard target to hit. That is, of course, assuming you know you're being shot at. Survivability suffers if you do get hit though, I suppose. Chris Weaver (http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990104/V000224-010499-idx.h tml) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 18:09:38 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01917 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA19981; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369174D6.29F8@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:11:34 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Cold hands Today? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, Check this out : http://www.hotgrips.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 18:28:02 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02277 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA20503 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:27:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36917917.4CF0@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:29:43 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: [Fwd: Bikes vs. Cars Revisited] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------42C4732112BE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------42C4732112BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I thought this pretty interesting (from alt.motorcycle.sportbike) --------------42C4732112BE Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.clark.net!io.clark.net!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: tlung@XXXXXX Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike Subject: Bikes vs. Cars Revisited Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:05:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <76r6ul$elu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.107.175.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 04 20:05:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22; Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.107.175.2 Xref: news.clark.net alt.motorcycle.sportbike:37311 Several weeks ago, there was a discussion here about the Cycle World article a few years back that compared a YZF1000 to a Dodge Viper. Well, I happened to find that magazine in my local library and borrowed it, then scanned it. Here it the article, it is quite interesting. (Hope I didn't make any scanning errors...) By Brian Catterson Super Bike vs. Super Car Yamaha YZF1000R meets Dodge Viper in a battle of superlatives. Cars. You pass em all the time on the street. Wheezing little econoboxes creeping along in seemingly endless lines, going nowhere fast. Horseless carriages less horsepower. Performance-wise, the vast majority are cannon fodder for even the most modest motorcycle. Some four-wheelers take as long to accelerate (a relative term) from 0 to 60 mph as it takes a bike to reach twice that speed. Pitiful. But those are everyday street cars. In comparison, racecars are positively otherworldy - Formula One machines typically lap road courses 25 percent quicker than 500cc grand prix bikes. And once in a while, a car comes along that transcends those boundaries. A car like the Dodge Viper GTS coupe. A 450-horsepower racecar-for-the-street whose specifications sheet includes a fuel-injected V-8 engine, a six-speed transmission, mammoth, 13-inch-wide rear tires and a whopping, $73,000 price tag. In other words, a super-car. The Viper GTS's performance potential was not lost on the editors at Cycle World's sister publication, Car and Driver. So, when their Editor-in-Chief Csaba Csere (pronounced "Chubbah Cheddah," not unlike the guy who did the Twist) called the CW offices to ask if we'd like to collaborate on a car versus bike story, he wasn't just looking or something to fill his pages - he was looking to settle the score. More than that, he was looking to vindicate his belief, expressed in an editorial he'd written three years before, that, and I quote, "...a motorcycle can't keep up with a car on an unforgiving mountain road." We here at CW didn't exactly agree with Csaba's opinion. Car versus bike? Sure thing, bring on that door-slammer. We took the bait quicker than you can holler, "Fish on!" That was our first mistake. There would be others. THE CONTENDERS >From the beginning, we knew which car we were up against. But which bike to send into the arena, that was the question. To help us decide, we studied the fields of battle: a timed section of twisty mountain road, timed laps of two different roadrace tracks, dragstrip runs, and a battery of tests that would measure acceleration, braking, roadholding and outright speed. That last one presented a serious challenge. According to the September, 1996, issue of Car and Driver, the Viper GTS is capable of going 177 mph. Uh-huh, and they arrived at that figure by, what, copying it out of the sales brochure? No, actually, one of the editors arrived at that speed by stepping on the pedal farthest to the right. And holding it to the floor for a long, long time. Trouble is, that's 1 mph faster than the fastest bike we've ever tested, the original, 1990 Kawasaki ZX-11. And while Honda's forthcoming CBR11OO Double-X Supermouthful promises to surpass that speed, we couldn't get one in time. Besides which, there was no guarantee the Honda would actually go that fast (see "King of Speed,", page 48), and its considerable heft and questionable linked braking system would likely compromise its chances on the racetrack. No, better to concede the top-speed portion of our testing to the car and get something that stood a better chance on the track. Something like Yamaha's YZF1100R. Available overseas since earlier this year as the Thunder Ace ("Distant Thunder," CW, May, 1996), the YZF has received rave reviews for its potent, 135-horsepower inline four-cylinder engine, nimble handling and eyeball-popping brakes. No surprise, really, considering that it marries an uprated version of the proven FZR 1000 engine with what is essentially a YZF75O chassis - a proven combination, judging by the numerous Formula USA and SuperTeams wins carded by similar homemade hybrids in recent years. Best of all, we already had one in the CW garage. A mongoose for their snake. THE STREET Early one weekday morning, we assembled at the Newcombs Ranch cafe on Southern California's famed Angeles Crest Highway. To be honest, we would have preferred to use a tighter, lightly traveled, dead-end canyon road for the street portion of our testing, but because Csaba had mentioned the Crest in his earlier editorial, he was determined to use it. Seeing as how this first contest was intended to gauge real-world performance, we came up with two rules: (1) Neither vehicle would take any practice runs, and (2) we would stay to the right of the centerline at all times. After carefully selecting a 6.3-mile stretch of road with no intersections and as few blind corners as possible, we stationed personnel armed with stopwatches and walkie-talkies at the start and finish lines. The two vehicles would leave the start at a predetermined interval, and this would be compared to the interval at the finish to decide the winner. Csaba and the Viper went first. The car appeared to get off to a slow start, but even before Senior Editor Jon Thompson waved me off one minute later, I could hear tires squealing in the distance. Since we were starting from a standstill with cold rubber, I also eased into my run - I've seen too many racers fall on the warm-up lap to dive in head-first. Good thing, too, as I immediately discovered that a road crew had laid asphalt sealer since my last visit, rendering the first mile of the course quite slippery. Since I was reluctant to lean the bike very far on the goo, it took longer than normal for the tires to reach their optimum operating temperature. How long? Well, photographer Rich Chenet was stationed 2.2 miles from the starting line, and he shot a photo sequence that clearly shows the YZF's rear tire leaving a black stripe on the pavement. Much as I'd like to claim it, this wasn't due to tire-spinning heroics - it was merely an indication that the rear Dunlop was still cold. How could this be possible, this far into the run? Consider that 2.2 miles is, coincidentally, the minimum required length for a GP track. And if it takes racers one lap to warm-up their tires, why should a street bike be any different? Cars, mean while, do not struggle with cold tires. Their greater weight means their tires heat up almost immediately; in fact, Csaba said that cars commonly record their best skidpad numbers on the first or second go-round. Having raced both an FZR1OO0-powered GTS 1000 and a YZF75O Supersport bike last year, I immediately felt a home on the YZF1OOO. The revised motor displays immensely usable midrange power, with peak horsepower at 9500 rpm - 2000 shy of redline. The quick-steering chassis allows rapid transitions, and yet the 56.3-inch wheel base (.4-inch longer than the YZF75O) makes it rock-steady in fast sweepers. This gave me the confidence I needed to put my head down and ride much harder than I normally would on the street - not an all-out, traction-limited roadrace pace. but pretty darn close to it. Thus, I was more than a little disappointed when finish-line timers David Edwards and Matthew Miles informed me that Csaba had beaten my time by 12.4 seconds, an average speed differential of some 3 mph. After voicing my belief that cold tires had adversely affected my time, Car and Driver's Technical Editor Barry Winfield asked me if I'd like to repeat the run with warm tires. A bike guy at heart, Barry has worked for motorcycle magazines in England and his native South Africa, so he knew where I was coming from. After taking a few moments to consider his offer, I declined. Twelve seconds is a pretty significant chunk of time, and while I almost certainly would have gone faster the second time, there was no guarantee that Csaba (who in the interest of fairness would also get another run) wouldn't improve his time as well. Instead, I opted to take my lumps and try to settle the score at Willow Springs. I'm glad I did. Because after driving the Viper through the Angeles National Forest on the way to our hotel in Palmdale, I developed a newfound respect for sports cars. The YZF's 1003 cc inline-Four produces an impressive 80 foot-pounds of torque at 8250 rpm, but the Viper's massive 8-liter (7990cc) V-10 truck engine makes more than six times that much at a mere 3700 rpm. Of course, with a displacement eight times the size of the YZF's, the Viper's engine ought to make a lot of power. But considering its size, it really doesn't: It churns out just 56 horsepower per liter, compared to the YZF's 135 bhp/liter. Interestingly, both vehicles' powerplants incorporate 20-valves - they're just arranged differently. The Viper's ohv V-10 employs pushrods and rocker arms to open its two valves per cylinder, while the YZF's dohc inline-Four relies on inverted buckets to open its five (three intake, two exhaust) valves per cylinder. By comparison, the Viper's engine is much more primitive - though, like Harley-Davidson's Evolution engines, it does have an aluminum block, as opposed to the cast-iron blocks of its forebears. But as impressive as the Viper's power output is, its road-holding ability is even more so. Remember the pavement sealer I spoke of earlier? It had no effect on the Viper at all. Pavement ripples, seams, sand and gravel? Ditto. You see a corner, you turn the steering wheel, the car goes around the corner - it's as simple as that. The taut chassis dances over ripples like an oversized go-kart, but the four huge Michelins never threaten to come unstuck. It's so easy to go fast that crashing seems like an impossibility. "Hmmm," I thought as I pulled into the hotel parking lot, "this thing could be trouble at Willow Springs." THE TRACK After the incident on Angeles Crest, I was looking forward to the controlled environment of the racetrack. So I was more than a little miffed to discover that this would not be the case today. The Willow Springs road course in the worst shape we'd ever seen it, with racecars having severely rippled the pavement in Turns 2, 3 and 5, and sand from an earth-moving project scattered across Turn 4. It looked like... well, like the Angeles Crest Highway. I wanted to leave right then and there, but the promise of hot laps on the tighter Streets of Willow circuit that afternoon gave me hope. Csaba, meanwhile, found the Viper virtually unaffected by the track conditions, and quickly went about reacquainting himself with "The Fastest Road in the West." Talking on the phone a few weeks prior to our test, he'd predicted the Viper would do 1:35s, and he was soon fulfilling his prophecy. I, on the other hand, had predicted 1:32s for the YZF, and was frustrated to find myself languishing in the 1:37 range, despite having fitted the bike with a fresh set of gummy Dunlop Sportmax II GP radials. After modifying my line through Turn 4 to keep the bike as upright as possible across the sand, I set about trying to make the chassis work over the bumps. It was not an easy task. Motorcycle racers who have progressed to cars (see Making the Switch," page 42) talk about how important set-up is - if your car isn't balanced, you'll soon find your-self going backwards through the field. Conversely, a motorcycle racer can often ride around his vehicle's set-up problems. Paradoxically, our experience with these two street vehicles was just the opposite. The Viper has no provisions for suspension adjustments, but it didn't need any, either; raised the air pressure in the front tires to curb a slight "push," and that was it. I, on the other hand, twiddled every suspension-adjustment knob at my disposal and still couldn't get the YZF handling to my liking - even with advice from Yamaha roadracing coordinator Tom Halverson and Superbike racer Tom Kipp, who were on hand for a YZF600 advertising photo shoot. The main culprits were too-soft fork and shock springs for my weight. At a smidge over 6-feet tall and 200 pounds, I admit that I'm larger than the average roadracer. But I'm by no means abnormally large - especially in terms the average Open-class sportbike rider. Cranking the spring preload way up helped keep the muffler from ouching down in right-handers, but caused the fork to "pogo" over crested Turn 6, even with the rebound damping set at maximum. Further complicating the proceedings was the fact that right about the time I decided the YZF was set-up as good it was going to get, the infamous Willow wind kicked up, making 145-mph Turn 8 an even scarier place than usual. Somebody please give me a break?! Suddenly, somebody did - or so it seemed. On just its third timed lap, while going down the back straight, the Viper blew a big puff of smoke out its exhausts. By the time we'd finished hollering, "Did you see that?" it was over. The Viper expired in a huge white cloud as it exited Turn 9, and coasted to a stop at start/finish. The green engine coolant dripping from its right-side exhaust pipes suggested a blown head gasket, but Csaba said it sounded far worse than that. A couple of hours later, the Viper was unceremoniously hauled away on a flatbed truck. Csaba wasn't too surprised by this sudden development. Though he claimed that he wasn't hammering the car, and was keeping the revs well below the 6000-rpm redline, the temperature gauge had been climbing steadily. Earlier, he had told us that street cars aren't really up to the rigors of racetrack testing: "You can do three or four laps at a time, but that's about it. The brakes, especially, don't last. They tend to heat up and fade, and need a rest before they'll work again. I about ran out of brakes on the Crest yesterday." Unfortunately for Team CW, Csaba had managed to turn a lap at 1:33.8 prior to the Viper's untimely demise. Could the YZF better that mark? After ensuring that there wasn't any oil on the racetrack, I went out for my timed session. slithering through the bumps and dirt and wrestling with the wind to record a best lap of 1:36.3. Not that shabby considering the circumstances, but pretty pathetic compared to the sub-1:30s that club racers and fast magazine guys regularly turn at Willow. And definitely not quick enough to beat the car. THE STRIP When the Viper broke, our plans changed dramatically - especially since the only replacement available was plagued by transmission problems, and was loaned to us with the strict proviso that it be used only for photos, and not driven hard. Thus, there would be no timed laps around the Streets of Willow; no skidpad testing (perhaps a blessing in disguise); and no side-by-side performance testing at the dragstrip. That doesn't mean, however, that we can't compare performance figures from previous tests. As you'd expect, the bike absolutely trounces the car at the dragstrip, covering the quarter-mile almost 2 seconds quicker and 17 mph faster. The bike was similarly superior in braking and top-gear roll-ons, though the latter was due in part to the Viper's ultra-tall sixth gear. This last feature (coupled with vastly superior aerodynamics) helped give the 177-mph Viper the nod in the top-speed department, but then, we expected that. And besides, the Viper didn't have to contend with winds gusting to 30 mph like the YZF did. After wrapping up our racetrack testing at Willow Springs, we headed to our nearby high-desert testing location to measure the YZF's top speed. With the wind blowing from the southwest, the bike's first eastbound pass showed 161 mph on the CW radar gun. But on its first westbound pass, it only went 138 mph! Suspecting that the motor was starving for air due to the strong crosswinds, we waited for Mother Nature to calm down a bit before making another pass. And then another. Our best westbound pass wound up being 146 mph, making for a two-way average of 154 mph. Hardly the stuff liter-bikes are renowned for, but then, conditions could have been better. THE VERDICT All in all, a frustrating yet enlightening test. In retrospect, the YZF 1000 probably wasn't the right bike for the job. The Viper may be billed as a GT car, but it is not a grand-tourer in the traditional sense of the word. To the contrary, its racetrack focus is painfully evident in its noisy interior, firm ride and dearth of luggage space - not to mention that it doesn't have a locking hood or gas cap! The YZF, on the other hand, meets the criteria for a grand-touring machine much more readily. Its plush suspension, comfortable passenger accommodations and emphasis on midrange (rather than top-end) power make it far better suited to sport riding than racetrack lapping. It'll be a sure contender for Best Open Streetbike honors in Cycle World's 1997 Ten Best voting. Unfortunately, what we needed for this test was a super-bike. A better choice would have been a proven roadracing contender such as Suzuki's GSX-R750, or a Superbike homologation special like Kawasaki's ZX-7RR. The Viper GTS is, after all, a limited-production vehicle. With an apparently limited lifespan. Which raises a sticky question. How can you call a car that blew its motor a "winner?" If anything, we should claim a moral victory for the YZF on the grounds that it still runs (and likely will continue to do so for years to come), or that it costs one-seventh as much as the Viper. It would be interesting to see how a $10,000 (or even a $20,000 or $30,000) car would fare against the $9799 YZF, particularly if the car were carrying four passengers like the BMW in Csaba's original editorial. More than any project in recent history, this one left the Cycle World staff with a feeling of unsettled business. So, Car and Driver, what do you say we find out how a Ducati 955 SPO stacks up against a Porsche 911 Turbo? Only this time, let's run the full 60-mile length of the Angeles Crest Highway, and calculate our racetrack speeds based on an average of, say, 10 laps. Better yet, let's compare the two vehicles using a totally different set of parameters. Rather than quantify their performance, let's rate them according to the enjoyment they provide, on the number of smiles per mile. There's no way a car would win that contest - at least not until they invent one that wheelies. Why We Lost Soft science vs. hard facts By Kevin Cameron The car-versus-bike question will always be with us either one can be built to extremes to prove a point, but the real interest focuses on comparing real-world, available-in-stores cars and bikes. So when CW's sister publication Car and Driver offered up a test Dodge Viper GTS coupe, we crossed swords with it. This is a 450-horsepower, 3301-pound machine, powered by an aluminum version of the new Mopar V-10 truck engine. Our weapon of choice was a 1997 Yamaha YZF1000R. According to Katella Avenue, this is a 135-horsepower, 437-pound package. Compare power-to-weight ratios. Let's give the Viper 10 gallons of gas (60 pounds) and a 160-pound driver for a total of 3521 pounds, for a ratio of 7.8 pounds per horsepower. Add 10 percent to the Yamaha's weight for the Pacific Crossing Factor (in the time-honored fashion, our testbike weighed 480 pounds on the CW scales), 15 more for half a tank of fuel and 160 pounds for the rider. This gives us 656 pounds and 4.9 pounds per horsepower. No contest, right? Surprise! As the main story shows, the car beat the bike around the Willow Springs road course by a ponderable 2.5 seconds a lap, and by 23 miles an hour in top speed. The bike, as its power-to-weight ratio would suggest, was the grandmaster of acceleration in 0-60-mph and quarter-mile times. We know that between grand prix cars and grand prix bikes, it's truly no contest. The cars, with giant, soft-compound tires, pressed down on the road by thousands of pounds of downforce from wings and underbody venturis, can corner at tremendous lateral accelerations of 3 g's or more. GP bikes, leaning over in corners at 60 degrees from vertical, indicate lateral accelerations of no more than 1.7 g. What this adds up to is that high-performance cars don't have to slow down as much for corners as bikes do, and if they are given enough power (GP cars are making 750 bhp), even a 200-horsepower bike can't make up in acceleration what it gives away in corner speed. While the Viper has no appreciable downforce, its performance shows the same effect: More corner grip equals faster lap times. The Viper's 0.97-g skidpad cornering acceleration shows it has serious tires and suspension. You will note that a bike has less than a third of its sidewall-to-sidewall tread width on the ground at any one time because of the round profile of its tires. The car, with flat-profile tires, has its full tread width engaged all the time. Why should it make any difference? The law of friction we learned in high school says contact area makes no difference; drag a brick on its end or its side and the friction is supposed to be the same. Not for a rubber brick. The more rubber you can stably put down on the road, the more grip you can get. Rubber "keys" to the road's irregular surface like a gear, molding itself into a detailed mirror image of the pavement. Further, rubber forms molecular bonds to surfaces it touches. Making the contact area larger and softer gives more grip. A second effect is inflation pressure. If tires were infinitely flexible, their footprint area would be simply vehicle weight divided by inflation pressure. In this model, two vehicles with identical tire-inflation pressures would have equal load per square inch of footprint - and equal grip. But bike tires must typically be inflated harder than car tires, by maybe 20 percent. This reduces footprint area - and grip. Reducing the bike's tire pressure doesn't help; it needs that pressure to make its tires hold their shape. But tires aren't infinitely flexible, even though tire engineers work very hard to make them so in desired directions. It takes force to bend round tire tread to make it lie flat against the road, and this reduces footprint area. Car tires are cylinders, and bend only in the around-the-tire direction to make a footprint. A bike's tread surface is curved in two directions-around the tire and across it-and must bend in both directions at once to form a flat footprint. This double stiffness further reduces a bike's footprint area - and its grip. There are other interesting differences. The bike, because it has a short wheelbase and relatively high center of gravity, wheelies or stoppies. This puts upper limits on how hard a bike can accelerate or brake; after the front wheel leaves the ground, it doesn't matter how much more power you have - it just breaks taillight lenses. A car's four wide tires take a larger "sample" of the pavement than can a bike's two narrower, round-profile tires. The car is less upset by slick or rough pavement for this reason, while a slight dribble of oil on the pavement can have bikes on the ground and sliding. The bike, being narrower, can take a wider-radius line in any corner, but conversely wastes distance by having to take time to roll over before it can actually begin turning, and roll back upright before it can commence full acceleration. A more subtle effect is aerodynamics. Bike drag coefficients are poor because air disagrees with our taste. We accept the aerodynamically "dirty" exposed front wheel, the chopped-off fairing and the silly behind-the-front-wheel radiator location of sportbikes, but all these increase drag. A car's greater length encourages a fuller aero treatment, and its cooling arrangements can be civilized. Typical drag numbers are mid-to-high .40s for bikes, mid-.30s- to-.40s for production cars. Our testbike was slower than it should have been - its 154-mph average top speed is more typical of hot 600s than of 1000-class machines - but that's what happened on the day. Another aero effect is gust response; cars suffer less than bikes from wind disturbance. To distill the argument, cars have traction, bikes have acceleration. In most cases, bikes smoke cars on the street, cars smoke bikes on the track. Chrysler Corp. deserves our admiration for being able to achieve a partial reversal of the usual state of affairs. Mostly, cars and bikes go their separate ways; bike against bike, car vs. car, each group with its own strengths and weaknesses. Now, if we could just find a way to mix & match... -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own --------------42C4732112BE-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 19:39:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03403 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17928 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12231 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13562 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust002.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.2]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29973 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:41:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990105003338.006bdda0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:33:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Brr! At 02:10 PM 1/4/99 -0500, Mike Troutman wrote: >Don't get me wrong here. That wasn't a troll or anything. I just hear a >lot of whining on the list about 'fair weather riders' and lately a lot of >bitching about how cold / wet / icy it is on the bike. My bike is naked >and I can't seem to find wearable equipment that really blocks the wind and >it's associated wind chill. You need a big windshield. It does just as much to keep you warm as electric clothes. Even Horkster has a big windshield in this weather. JC Whitney sells them for about $70 or so, disregard the info about what they fit, with a couple of extra supports and a saber saw, the Whitney windshield will fit any bike. > >Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in >Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. Never mind. Since it's a security thing rather than having anything to do with the weather, a windshield won't help. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 19:59:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03745 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA18109 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12688 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13680 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GIOAa23181; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:38 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <969eb4af.36916256@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:38 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Brr! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/4/99 7:45:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << You need a big windshield. It does just as much to keep you warm as electric clothes. >> Can I mount one on my ZX-9R and does it cause any aerodynamic problems at 100+ MPH? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 20:48:02 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04506 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.99.31] (207-172-99-31.s31.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.31]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12549; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:47:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901050147.UAA12549@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:47:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Superbowl Party! From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit All these DC-cycles events, and I'm always on f'in call for the hospital. I wish I could make it, and finally meet some of the many people I hear from on the computer. Alas, it will have to wait for another event. Charles "being a resident can really suck sometimes" Rosen ---------- >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Superbowl Party! >Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999, 3:25 PM > >The next DC Cycles party is scheduled to start at 3PM on January 31, for >the superbowl!! > >I, for one, couldn't give a rat's a*& about the superbowl, but I figure >any excuse for a party! > >Some of you previously generously offered to bring drinks and/or food >and any and all of that is definitely welcome! > >The party will be at 1220 S. Columbus Street (at the intersection of S. >Columbus and George Mason Drive in Arlington.) If you need directions, >I'll be posting them soon. Tom's better at that stuff than me... > >P.S. Whoever stole Todd's jacket liner is NOT invited. hee hee > >- Jeannette & Thomas > '86 VFR 700 F2 > '86 VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 20:55:33 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04637 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:55:31 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5ZFZa05501; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:51:24 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <5b17f96a.3691701c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:51:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I'm baaaaccckkkk!!!!!! :-) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Hello All, Well, I started the new job and, so far, it doesn't look like I'm going to be getting an external e-mail address any time soon. Sooooo, since I share this account with my bro-in-law and I miss you guys (and gals) so much :-), I created a new address under my home account and re-subbed. Since this is my home account, I won't be checking it until after work, if I remember, and it's not free anymore. :-( SR (EXUP list), you can add this address to the Laguna list. You can leave the other if you like but get rid of the srush@XXXXXX. Anita (DC List), you can do the same with the NYC Bus trip list. Hope you all had a great holiday and got that new bike that Santa promised you. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 21:06:03 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04900 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14954 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:05:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199901050205.VAA14954@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:04:24 -0500 Subject: Something new... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I started out wanting to add a message board of some sort to the Member Roster page so that people could list upcoming rides. I found out that requires a "real" web page (FrontPage extensions) and paying more $$. There has to be a better way, right? :-) Well, I looked at online communities on Dejanews (one of my favorite sites) and was reasonably impressed. Then I checked out Yahoo "Clubs" and found a really great calendar features, as well as message posting, chat, links, etc. Eureka! :-) So, I went ahead and set up a "club" (I dislike that term!) called "DC Area Riders." My intention is to post events that I become aware of, as well as any group rides I might lead once the weather warms up a bit! Right now the only thing there is the bus trip... no surprise there! :-) If you get a chance, check it out and let me know what you think! You do need to "join"... all that means is you create a Yahoo ID and get a confirmation email. Right now the club is public, meaning anyone can join. There is an option to make it private, if need be. We'll see how it goes! Thanks for reading this far! :-) http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 23:32:23 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07262 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s46.wizard.net [206.161.15.121]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24610 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:32:21 -0500 Message-ID: <03c501be3865$7a0edf80$790fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Re: Something new... Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:40:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I should have also said that anyone is welcome to add events to the calendar, or post messages (not just me)! Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 06:22:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14587 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA25609 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22582 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17330 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust003.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.3]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA10879; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:23:57 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990105111557.006a7f0c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 06:15:57 -0500 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Brr! >Leon writes: ><< You need a big windshield. It does just as much to keep you warm as > electric clothes. >> Fred wrote: >Can I mount one on my ZX-9R Yes, I'm sure it wouldn't be much more difficult than the one on my EX250. >and does it cause any aerodynamic problems at 100+ >MPH? It helps a lot, windchill at 100+ mph in 19 degree weather is significant, Cd is not significant at these temperatures. Glad I could help. Let me know where to bring my saber saw. ;-) Do you want me to bring my paint cans too? Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 08:42:41 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16588 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for dc-cycles.org!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Tue Jan 5 08:33 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA13456 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3887.55A54EF0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/04/99 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! Rich the Whiner here again! This is just a little of the 12 or so pages of junk I get when someone posts a picture to the list. We must remember that some of us are in digest mode, and attachments are usually wasted on us. Yes, I could just ignore it, but then I wouldn't get to whine ;). Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 >Subject: Motorcycle in Motion >Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:13:23 -0500 > >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BE37E4.4B40C640 > >Whoever it was that wanted an image of a motorcycle in motion (Louis?), >I received the below today. Just click on the bike after it comes up. >It's pretty cool! > > >> > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BE37E4.4B40C640 >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="CYCLIST.gif" > >R0lGODlhXgEyAIcOAAAAAAoKDBAMFBgOEdXV1f//ABQcgwAA/z0YGEY1Nc4AAP8AAEpKWnt7e8bG >xv///wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwHo >AwAh+QQJLAEOACwAAAAAKAAuAAcI/AAdCBxIsODABQgXGFzIsGHBhAkdSpy4AABEixMzLqwIoCMC >AQo1ihS4AEHHAAkGhBypccGAAQIEwFzJkuICmS8R1px4oCdEhD0P7DQYtKdABUgVCCwqdGjQkEyD >kpRa8+mCqFGBGh1ZdMGDB1iDfr1KVaPVr2CxotXa1KxPr2i/9ow7lmzbjGfp6q1bFu/bvXvZcv3b >oHDhr4YPCxZpNfHhB44bLHZ7ACFiw5cfT/ZbGSLgn315vv1JGvRWxp0DqC69QHUArTt9vkbo2nXC >16dZjl5QuHZhiLlHDkAAMfLvhDGHCiCO0Lhh5AKUM+ftXDLC5DuXJzT8MsCA55DXo2efXjiBANcM > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 09:44:16 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17435 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:46:04 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:46:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:42:44 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at 30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. Kirk's polar hands solution works well, and I can recommend the heated grips too. Joe (just got back from snowmobiling in sub-zero northern Minnesota) >>> Kirk Roy - 12/23/98 2:37 PM >>> On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves > generally considered the warmest available. I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves all through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of my arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 10:30:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18180 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA27806; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:26:56 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105152204.OCBD14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:22:04 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have performed quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put on the long underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just fine. Had a great ride this morning. I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. Definitely changing out the summer shield for the taller one tonight. Todd Kirk Roy wrote: >Joe Nagy wrote: > I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at > 30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. Kirk's polar hands solution > works well, and I can recommend the heated grips too. > > Joe (just got back from snowmobiling in sub-zero northern Minnesota) > > >>> Kirk Roy - 12/23/98 2:37 PM >>> > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > > Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves > > generally considered the warmest available. > > I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar > hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and > cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves all > through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small > hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much > essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm > actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of my > arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:16:10 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18864 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA04901; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:15:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004784; Tue Jan 5 10:14:37 1999 Message-ID: <36923A57.67138A81@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:14:15 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I need to get a pair of those mylar inserts. My fingers were numb wearing my Olympia winter golves today after 14 miles, but the rest of me was warm wearing my Aerostitch and a fleece pull over. How did you luck out and get to go 75, cages were going 65 in both lanes of the 395 HOV when I was riding in. Ed 92FJ1200 Todd Peer wrote: > Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have performed > quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at > 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put on the long > underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just fine. Had a > great ride this morning. > > I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a > little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept > extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. > Definitely changing out the summer shield for the taller one tonight. > > Todd > > Kirk Roy wrote: > >Joe Nagy wrote: > > I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at > > 30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. Kirk's polar hands solution > > works well, and I can recommend the heated grips too. > > > > Joe (just got back from snowmobiling in sub-zero northern Minnesota) > > > > >>> Kirk Roy - 12/23/98 2:37 PM >>> > > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > > > Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves > > > generally considered the warmest available. > > > > I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar > > hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and > > cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves all > > through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small > > hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much > > essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm > > actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of my > > arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. > > > > Kirk > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:28:27 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19095 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 308; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <36923DA5.69EB4F49@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:28:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have performed > quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at > 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put on the long > underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just fine. Yeah, I wimped out and wore the leather pants to work this morning, changed into Dockers after I arrived. I might have to check out the mylar things you are talking about. They are inserts/glove liners, right? Go on under your regular winter gloves? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:40:18 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19280 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01081 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:40:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:40:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply In-Reply-To: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a > little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept > extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. Anything that gives you still air around your hands will do the trick. Basically, with the polar hands you can use whatever gloves keep your hands warm just standing around. I've got bar end mirrors (which I don't like) on the new bike so I haven't been using the polar hands on it. I wore my summer gloves on their own yesterday and just suffered the cold. I wore winter gloves the day before and my thumb still hurts (arthritis). Say, does anyone know of some reasonably narrow mirror mounts? Actually, they don't even have to be that narrow, they just have to hold mirrors and only mirrors. I'm thinking of just getting some of the dual sport mirrors to replace the bar ends but I'd prefer some mounts to put bigger mirrors on. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:44:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19401 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:44:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901051644.LAA19401@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:44:27 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:44:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Those things don't work for everyone.. I bought a pair last winter (or was 2 of them ago?), and figured they were a waste of $7 (or whatever I paid). Free to a good home (er, ok.. free to someone who rides year-round). My hands actually felt COLDER when I'd wear them.. my silk liners work quite well.. but nothing beats the wool. You're not the only one who whimped out.. I wore the lined wind-pants this morning, over the Dockers. To bad I messed up wrapping my scarf and my neck froze.. :P Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Yeah, I wimped out and wore the leather pants to work this morning, > changed into Dockers after I arrived. I might have to check out > the mylar things you are talking about. They are > inserts/glove liners, > right? Go on under your regular winter gloves? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 12:06:41 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19840 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA29811; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:03:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105163337.OOAG14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:33:37 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ed Hand" Cc: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:35:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be38c9$78297f40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36923A57.67138A81@ix.netcom.com> You can get these inserts at Sunny's Surplus for $3.99 a pair. I imagine you can get them at a Ski Retail Store as well. I think the difference as to how fast we can go is the time of day. I believe you get on the HOV at around 6:30-7am. I don't get on till around 8:40am, the calm before the commuter storm. Todd Ed Hand wrote: > I think I need to get a pair of those mylar inserts. My fingers were numb > wearing my Olympia winter golves today after 14 miles, but the > rest of me was > warm wearing my Aerostitch and a fleece pull over. > > How did you luck out and get to go 75, cages were going 65 in > both lanes of the > 395 HOV when I was riding in. > > Ed > 92FJ1200 > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have > performed > > quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at > > 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put > on the long > > underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just > fine. Had a > > great ride this morning. > > > > I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a > > little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept > > extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) > for my ST1100. > > Definitely changing out the summer shield for the taller one tonight. > > > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 12:20:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20074 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29977 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00295 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VTRTa04795 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:19:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:19:45 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Kiernan..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Well, they did contact me yesterday and they are sending me my money back. Glad it didnt have to go any further. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 12:57:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20603 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00603 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01502 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20750 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:01 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PMDAa03538; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:55:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cd8b8d9.36925208@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:55:20 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Brr! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/5/99 6:22:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << Do you want me to bring my paint cans too? >> Do you have Kawasaki ZX-9R Blue? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 14:21:22 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22010 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA13921; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:17:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105183513.PFGU14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:35:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:37:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be38da$7493c5a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36923DA5.69EB4F49@tidalwave.net> Dale Horstman wrote: > Yeah, I wimped out and wore the leather pants to work this morning, > changed into Dockers after I arrived. I might have to check out > the mylar things you are talking about. They are inserts/glove liners, > right? Go on under your regular winter gloves? Yup, into your gloves. Brian mentioned silk or wool as well because his experience with these wasn't as good as mine. It is possible, but probably due to mis-use. The instructions state that you should don the gloves onto warm hands. The heat from your hand is reflected back to the hands. I can see these inserts not working if you stuck your cold hands in them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 15:22:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23104 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03785 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA06399 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:22:06 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F0.006F27A9 ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:14:06 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Todd Peer" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F0.006EA420.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:13:55 -0500 Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey Todd. When I think of mylar, I picture the material that mylar baloons are made out of. Are these inserts the same material as those baloons? And if so, I would think they would make your hands sweat because they can't breath. And it would seem that they wouldn't last very long if it's the same material. Please clear up my misconceptions. Enquiring minds want to know. 8-) Steve Yup, into your gloves. Brian mentioned silk or wool as well because his experience with these wasn't as good as mine. It is possible, but probably due to mis-use. The instructions state that you should don the gloves onto warm hands. The heat from your hand is reflected back to the hands. I can see these inserts not working if you stuck your cold hands in them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 16:23:26 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24152 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxdwg-0006uR-00; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:23:22 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:19:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. You can reach me at girlbiker@XXXXXX or at jlobrien@XXXXXX. Thanks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 16:26:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24175 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04736 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08773 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-35.s35.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.35]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id QAA07919 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:54:28 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Shaftie question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will not release from the tranny! What am I missing? I'm sure it's something simple, but I can't find it... trying to get the silly wheel pulled so I can put a nice and pretty new tire on it.... Thanks in advance Collin ps: feel free to call me here at the house :) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 16:32:23 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24324 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA16706 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:34:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199901052234.RAA16706@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:32:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852566F0.006EA420.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) For warm hands i've found that windblocc Polar fleece gloves with a Gortex glove shell just can't be beat. The windbloc fleece is not as thick as normal fleece, and unlike some gloves they aren't useless when wet. I am even one of those people who have chronically cold hands & they have kept me warm in freezing rain and bitter cold wind...even for extended peroids of time... I really like them because they are very warm, yet not bulky-.. I can still get the "feel" of the road. The only drawback is i've spent my entire glove budget for the next 8 years... :-( -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 17:06:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24927 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05184 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09952 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 275; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <36928CE1.387167FD@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:06:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, on my bike, you just pull the wheel away from the shaft gearbox thingy, it falls right out (ok, with a little tug or two) once the axle is removed. Are there any spacers still in place (like collars that fit around the axle)? The wheel has to pull AWAY from the shaft housing first, not directly back and off the bike like a sprocket-bike wheel would. Hope that helps. I think I just confused myself. ;) Good luck, Dale Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... > How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the > transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other > bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will > not release from the tranny! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 17:35:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25466 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05461 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11473 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MSRLa00808; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:34:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4612f34b.3692935e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:34:06 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: racing chassis & engine Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Is anyone looking for a TLR to buy for racing? or just looking for a wrecked one to buy at all? if so, I have one. It was a beautiful bike til about an hour ago when she high sided coming out of my street. First time Ive ridden it since about a month ago. oh well, it was all my fault I guess, and since I dont have full coverage insurance (liability only) I cant afford to fix it. so, Im taking a loss and selling it. someone make me an offer. or send donations. j/k. Seriously though, I am willing to sell it. Im ok, just sore on my left side. The bike still runs, has a full m4 cf exhaust on it, left pipe joint dented now, cans still good. Left side rear set and shifter are no longer. frame, forks, rear swing arm all still good. tires still good. rear and right side body still good. probably only about a grand in damage to the right side. maybe more. probably more. anyway... Im off to rest. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 17:55:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25817 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05650 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12417 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA03411; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:51:56 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105205456.QANG14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:54:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:57:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be38ed$f92a5be0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <852566F0.006EA420.00@goliath.intelsol.com> They are a synthetic fiber (like nylon) with Mylar threads woven into the fabric. It is the same sort of Mylar though. Todd > > Hey Todd. When I think of mylar, I picture the material that > mylar baloons > are made out of. Are these inserts the same material as those baloons? > And if so, I would think they would make your hands sweat because they > can't breath. And it would seem that they wouldn't last very long if it's > the same material. > > Please clear up my misconceptions. Enquiring minds want to know. 8-) > > Steve > > > Yup, into your gloves. Brian mentioned silk or wool as well because his > experience with these wasn't as good as mine. It is possible, > but probably > due to mis-use. The instructions state that you should don the > gloves onto > warm hands. The heat from your hand is reflected back to the > hands. I can > see these inserts not working if you stuck your cold hands in them. > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:08:32 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26099 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:08:28 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup54.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.118]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F5400890081FI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:07:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:07:51 -0500 Subject: Re: racing chassis & engine To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <00b601be3900$3a2159c0$764937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal What!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the F*#K happened man???!!!!! And why oh why don't you have full coverage on that bike!!! Jon -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: tl1000s@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; balt-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 5:49 PM Subject: racing chassis & engine >Is anyone looking for a TLR to buy for racing? or just looking for a wrecked >one to buy at all? if so, I have one. It was a beautiful bike til about an >hour ago when she high sided coming out of my street. First time Ive ridden it >since about a month ago. oh well, it was all my fault I guess, and since I >dont have full coverage insurance (liability only) I cant afford to fix it. >so, Im taking a loss and selling it. someone make me an offer. or send >donations. j/k. >Seriously though, I am willing to sell it. Im ok, just sore on my left side. >The bike still runs, has a full m4 cf exhaust on it, left pipe joint dented >now, cans still good. Left side rear set and shifter are no longer. frame, >forks, rear swing arm all still good. tires still good. rear and right side >body still good. probably only about a grand in damage to the right side. >maybe more. probably more. anyway... Im off to rest. > >Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:19:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26333 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05981 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13981 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA09362; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:18:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from vna-va12-24.ix.netcom.com(207.223.178.88) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009352; Tue Jan 5 17:18:09 1999 Message-ID: <3693EE84.7DE57BB7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:15:16 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never done it, but according to the shop manual for my 85 Nighthawk S, You move the wheel to the right to separate it from the final drive case. Ed Hand 92 FJ1200 "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... > How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the > transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other > bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will > not release from the tranny! What am I missing? I'm sure it's > something simple, but I can't find it... trying to get the silly wheel > pulled so I can put a nice and pretty new tire on it.... > Thanks in advance > Collin > ps: feel free to call me here at the house :) > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LT, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:28:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26559 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06077 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14414 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-35.s35.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.35]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA03903; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:26:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3692A6BC.4B78A15C@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:56:44 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Hand CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> <3693EE84.7DE57BB7@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info... I finally got it. Straight pulling wasn't cutting it, but after much wiggling to accompany the pulling it popped right off... Now for a phone call to Mr. Dysart for an appointment with the tire changer, and I should be in business again... Collin Ed Hand wrote: > > I've never done it, but according to the shop manual for my 85 Nighthawk > S, You move the wheel to the right to separate it from the final drive > case. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:53:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26986 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06334 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15767 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:53:03 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id STGBa20553; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:51:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:51:13 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: racing chassis & engine Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/5/99 5:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX writes: << Is anyone looking for a TLR to buy for racing? or just looking for a wrecked one to buy at all? if so, I have one. It was a beautiful bike til about an hour ago when she high sided coming out of my street. >> Sorry to hear about it. Glad you're alright. At least I wasn't around you this time or it might have been worse. :-) Collect donations and keep riding. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 21:23:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29495 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07871 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19073 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CWXHa20555; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:22:19 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:22:19 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TLR wreck Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I know it seemed like I was jumping the gun in saying I was selling it, and well, I think I still am. I will take some pictures and send them to the lists so you can give advise or use to see if anyone wants it. BTW, it has less than 5000 miles on it, and the damage is on the left side, not the right like I mistakenly put in the mail. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 21:41:19 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29747 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.81]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 371; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:39:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3692CDCC.49120879@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:43:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Concours Owners Group Subject: Maybe it's too cold? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, New Years day, I had a group ride, and my disklock was frozen. It was about 20 degrees F. Was able to get going after I took a lighter to the lock to free things up. I've also been commuting to work the last few days, temps have been hovering around in the high teens and 20's. After running on reserve for most of the commute, I pulled into the gas station tonight only to find my gas cap frozen shut. Don't think I wanna take the lighter to the fuel cap, if you know what I mean. I've got some lock de-icer that doesn't really help, and I know I could probably heat up the key and try to force the cap open. But maybe this is the bike's way of saying I need more wheels on the ground. Looks like I'm caging it till it warms up. Sigh. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 22:09:52 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00346 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr31-dialup26.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.74.154]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35508) with SMTP id <0F54002XWBF3U1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:09:39 -0500 Subject: Re: TLR wreck To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <003601be3922$01beb7e0$9a4a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Streetfighter............... I hear a project coming! Sean, keep your bike, it's paid for and you'll lose more money selling it like it is than keeping it around and waiting to see what unfolds. You might not be able to afford to restore it to look exactly the way it was, but there are many alternatives. Here is a good chance to get a little creative and make your TL-R unique. Of course, you could sell it and have a phat down payment on an R-6........... Jon p.s. let me know if you ever need some help, I'm right around the corner. -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: tl1000s@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; balt-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 9:34 PM Subject: TLR wreck >I know it seemed like I was jumping the gun in saying I was selling it, and >well, I think I still am. I will take some pictures and send them to the lists >so you can give advise or use to see if anyone wants it. BTW, it has less >than 5000 miles on it, and the damage is on the left side, not the right like >I mistakenly put in the mail. > >Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 22:46:44 1999 Return-Path: labonilla@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00974 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-184-184.s184.tnt23.brd.erols.com [207.172.184.184]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01072 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:46:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36930755.1E7C6103@erols.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:48:54 -0800 From: Alexander Bonilla X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Removing me from the mailing list!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please take out of the mailing list. Thank you!!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 23:30:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01635 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09173 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21133 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:27:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Shaftie question Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:32:31 -0500 Message-ID: <023c01be392d$930a7440$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal You mean remove the rear from the pumpkin? Should be some auto type lug nuts on the opposite side. Remove driveshaft from back of tranny? Varies by make. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 23:39:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01730 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09278 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21286 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:35:50 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , Subject: RE: racing chassis & engine Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: <023e01be392e$be230ec0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <4612f34b.3692935e@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Damn, that's a major bummer. Glad to hear you're on the mend. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 23:49:09 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01914 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:35:51 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: TLR wreck Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:40:54 -0500 Message-ID: <023f01be392e$beec7940$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <003601be3922$01beb7e0$9a4a37a6@default> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sounds like an idea to me. If you need someone to spin wrenches... (and if you want to do some work from home instead of through the shop for a few bucks, give me a call) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > alternatives. Here is a good chance to get a little creative and > make your > TL-R unique. Of course, you could sell it and have a phat down payment on > an R-6........... > > Jon > p.s. let me know if you ever need some help, I'm right around > the corner. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 00:29:22 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02576 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12076; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:24:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:20:14 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <472f83d0.36877337@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 12/28/98 12:14:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > << Doubt it.Ever read _Back Street Heros_ or _AWOL_?The cruiser/chopper > subculture >> > You made my point, it is a small hardcore group of fans. Actually,there's quite a large number of custom riders over there.Remember, they have more riders than we do. > < or Sportster really handled.And at how well they pass cars with only a > few tweaks.>> > Yes I have ridden a Sportster and know how they really handle, my 75 Commando > handles better at speed. You need more than a few tweaks to do the passing I > am talking about, you need also get around the car or truck and get back in > your single lane before you head-on an oncoming vehicle and do this on a > sweeping turn, not just pass on a four-lane road which any bike can do. > I have never ridden with you and can't vouch for your ability, however, a very > good rider might be able to ride fast comfortably on a Harley, I certainly > would not want to though, I know my limits. On the other hand, the only bike > that I would want someone like Colin to ride and hope to be able to keep up > with him on my ZX-9R is a Harley. Well, after he lost the floorboards it > would probably still be hopeless. LOL Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor.I've also ridden an FXRS-SP with heads and cam.It would do the passing you mentioned.And the new FXDX with the Twin Cam would be a shoe-in with decent tires,fork springs, and shocks. Harleys really suffer from the RUB-on-a-softail stigmata.Not all of them are lead sleds. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 00:45:11 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02879 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:41:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <024801be3937$fa102860$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model > w/stock motor) Probably a '57. But they're all the same, right? :) FWIW, I think the '57s were the best looking ones. But performance.... > and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't > take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor. Especially not when you've seen what some of the modified Buells can do. Still, the existence of the Buell continues to cause me disappointment in the regular XL line: why don't those lovely heads and cams appear on the XLS?? > Harleys really suffer from the RUB-on-a-softail stigmata.Not all of > > them > are lead sleds. Luckily, the same catalogs with all the chrome and other high maintenance trash also carry heads, cams, ignitions, etc, etc... Still, even you have to admit that RUBs on softails far outnumber those with hot-rodded Harleys. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 00:59:12 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03049 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12275; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:55:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:48:23 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <024801be3937$fa102860$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, George Howell wrote: > > and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't > > take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor. > Especially not when you've seen what some of the modified Buells can do. > Still, the existence of the Buell continues to cause me disappointment in > the regular XL line: why don't those lovely heads and cams appear on the > XLS?? They are on the '98-later models(with the blacked-out motor).They don't make the same power for two reasons.First,they don't have the Buell airbox or exhaust.Blame the styling and marketing depts for this.Second,without the rubber engine mounts,revving a Sporty like a Buell can get painful and loosen parts.Since they figured most Sporty riders wouldn't go much past 4k rpm,they set up the motor to make it's power in the midrange. Tweak the intake,swap the ignition module,and put on a proper 2-into-1 exhaust,and you'll get Buell power out of an XL-S. > Still, even you have to admit that RUBs on softails far outnumber those with > hot-rodded Harleys. Yep.And it's because of this that late model HD's have to be choked back with restrictive aircleaners and shorty duals. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 03:34:29 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA06132 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA13705; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:30:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:30:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: <199901051644.LAA19401@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > You're not the only one who whimped out.. I wore the lined wind-pants this > morning, over the Dockers. I don't ride to work(winter or summmer),but I do walk 2.5 miles and I've just added a nice item to my winter wardrobe.I picked up a set of flannel lined jeans.Just like regular Levi's only with a layer of flannel on the inside.Very warm,and much more comfortable than jeans+long johns.Got 'em for $35 from WearGuard(1-800-388-3300).They make work clothes and have lots of neat stuff for keeping warm. >To bad I messed up wrapping my scarf and my neck > froze.. :P Forget scarves.Get an apple warmer or wind triangle.Apple warmers attach to your helmet and enclose your neck.Wind triangles are nylon triangles usually lined with fleece that snap or velcro in the back,no wrapping required.They can both be found in Dennis Kirk,Rider's Warehouse,and JC Whitney catalogs.I bought a Nology(think that's the name,n-somehting) triangle for myself and it works premo. If you're on a budget,you could always pick up a balcalva(sp?) for like $5-6 to wear under your scarf. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 05:59:24 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08500 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust009.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.9]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA15981; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:01:22 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106105318.006bd270@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:53:18 -0500 To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply At 10:42 AM 1/5/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at >30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. I suspect Pat Widder will disagree with you. 1-800-WY-B-COLD or http://www.widder.com I think he uses Olympia gloves, at least they sure look a lot like them. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 05:59:36 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08503 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust009.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.9]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA15986; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:01:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106105321.006b218c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:53:21 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ok. I'll be there. What would you like me to bring? We don't cook here, so it really doesn't matter. Anything you'd like? Leon. At 04:19 PM 1/5/99 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >(off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. You can >reach me at girlbiker@XXXXXX or at jlobrien@XXXXXX. >Thanks! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 06:23:19 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA08906 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA14208; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:19:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:15:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Dent Fix Info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, Got a friend who's bike fell over and now he has a small dent in his tank.From how he described it,it sounds like it can just be popped out.Any recommendations for a local shop that could do this? Send to me or to him directly at jstod@XXXXXX(name's John).He lives in Woodbridge.TIA. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 07:15:36 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09769 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for dc-cycles.org!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Wed Jan 6 06:15 CST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id GAA16987 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:15:28 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3944.2FB87650@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:14:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: scarf you say? Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:14:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Instead of a scarf, you may want to try a neck gaiter. I got one from a bicycle shop about a year ago, and it's great. It's like a tube made out of what looks like T-shirt material that you pull over your head. It tucks under your jacket collar, and goes up to your nose (or eyes if you prefer). They are made of polypropylene (spelling?), so even though they feel like T-shirt cotton, NO wind gets through them. And they are small enough to wad up and stick in a pocket if it gets warm. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 > > >From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" >To: "'dc'" >Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply >Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:44:22 -0800 > > >...Too bad I messed up wrapping my scarf and my neck >froze.. :P > >Brian > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 07:29:47 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09961 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:29:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061229.HAA09961@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 04:29:41 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: scarf you say? Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 04:29:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > Instead of a scarf, you may want to try a neck gaiter. That's fine and dandy.. problem is, I hate pulling things over my head.. I can't put it on after my helmet's on, it's not 'adjustable' to the weather conditions.. not wool (gee, do you see a theme with me and wool? wonder if that's directly related to growing up in the mountains of Wyoming, where the highs, sometimes for weeks on end, are no more than -20 degrees.. *grin*). Been down the road of the neck gaiter thingy.. they work, but aren't what I'm looking for. Good suggestion though.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11022 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71A49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106083423.00ff49e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:34:48 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Count me in. Though it's not 100% definite until we get a little closer. Chris Norloff At 04:19 PM 1/5/99 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >(off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. You can >reach me at girlbiker@XXXXXX or at jlobrien@XXXXXX. >Thanks! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11030 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15155 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28385 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71B49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106083510.00ff2df0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:07 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Shaftie question In-Reply-To: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The rear wheel doesn't connect to the transmission -- that's your problem! Seriously, though - you have to pull the wheel to the side to get it to disengage from the splines of the final drive. One bike I worked on (Honda Magna) had just barely enough clearance to wiggle the wheel out between the final drive and the other side of the swingarm. Chris Norloff At 04:54 PM 1/5/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... >How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the >transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other >bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will >not release from the tranny! What am I missing? I'm sure it's >something simple, but I can't find it... trying to get the silly wheel >pulled so I can put a nice and pretty new tire on it.... >Thanks in advance >Collin >ps: feel free to call me here at the house :) > > > > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LT, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >(racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11023 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71C49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106083847.00ff63b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:41:07 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? In-Reply-To: <3692CDCC.49120879@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 PM 1/5/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >I've got some lock de-icer that doesn't really help, and I know >I could probably heat up the key and try to force the cap open. >But maybe this is the bike's way of saying I need more wheels on >the ground. Looks like I'm caging it till it warms up. Sigh. :) Heating the key with a lighter then inserting it usually works well. Spray some WD-40 or better, LockEase (thin oil with graphite) to lubricate and to keep water from collecting on your lock innards. The oil will also lubricate the little flap that's supposed to keep water out. And where are you finding water anyway? I haven't seen water outside in a week! still ridin', Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11026 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71D49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106084223.00fd3810@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:43:38 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply In-Reply-To: References: <199901051644.LAA19401@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 PM 1/5/99 , Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Forget scarves.Get an apple warmer or wind triangle.Apple warmers attach >to your helmet and enclose your neck.Wind triangles are nylon triangles >usually lined with fleece that snap or velcro in the back,no wrapping >required.They can both be found in Dennis Kirk,Rider's Warehouse,and JC >Whitney catalogs.I bought a Nology(think that's the name,n-somehting) >triangle for myself and it works premo. > If you're on a budget,you could always pick up a balcalva(sp?) for like >$5-6 to wear under your scarf. Those work. I prefer a polar fleece neck gaiter (tube, around the neck). Covers my neck, seals the wind from coming in the bottom of the helmet, and can be pulled up to cover my ears and/or mouth. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:41:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11064 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15187 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28427 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28172; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:42:47 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1266201@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Shaftie question Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:42:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, I was just trying to get the wheel itself away from the drive portion of the transmission. After talking briefly with Dale, I went back out to the bike. Seems straight pulling wasn't enough to break the friction with the splines. After mucho wiggling and simultaneous pulling, the wheel popped right off. No lug nuts or anything like that...just the axle and associated spacers. Thanks again to all those that responded... Collin On Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:12 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > You mean remove the rear from the pumpkin? Should be some auto type lug nuts > on the opposite side. > > Remove driveshaft from back of tranny? Varies by make. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:52:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11373 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:52:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061352.IAA11373@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:52:41 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Maybe it's too cold? Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:52:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > Heating the key with a lighter then inserting it usually > works well. Spray > some WD-40 or better, LockEase (thin oil with graphite) to > lubricate and to > keep water from collecting on your lock innards. > > The oil will also lubricate the little flap that's supposed > to keep water > out. And where are you finding water anyway? I haven't seen > water outside > in a week! 2 years ago when I was constantally having a problem with my gas-cap freezing shut, I'd dump hot water on the cap so I could get the key in, then WD-40 to try and get the water out.. it'd work for awhile.. but I was doing it once a month for awhile.. As for the water.. no clue (condensation?), but I have chunks of ice forming on the outside of my fairing.. looks kinda cool.. but it freaks me out.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:57:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11457 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15320 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28781 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F1.004BE589 ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:48:59 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Dale Horstman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F1.004B558F.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:48:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dale I remember having the same problem on my Concours. And it wasn't necessarily because of the cold weather. That mechanism tends to dry out and it starts to oxidize. Once you get it open again, you should remove the assembly from the tank and give it a good dousing of WD40 down into the lock portion of the assembly and add some grease to any sliding parts that you can reach. Hope this helps. Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:57:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11469 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061357.IAA11469@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:57:41 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Something strange.. chain stuff.. Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:57:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) On Sunday I went for a ride to warm to bike up, get some gas, heat the chain a little and charge the system (it was beautiful out!).. out and about for about 40 miles or so.. come back.. I knew the chain needed adjusting so I set out to clean, oil and adjust it.. it was in alignment 2 weeks ago when I'd checked it.. but this time it was way off (one side of the rear axle was much further forward than the other). Any idea what could cause that? The axle was torqued to specs.. the adjustment nuts were locked tight and I couldn't see any unusual wear on either of the sprockets.. it was just weird.. never seen it before.. BTW, I check my chain/rear wheel alignment from the center of the axle to the center of the swingarm pivot with a ruler.. not by the little marks that tell you when your chain's worn out.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 09:35:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12133 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15757 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29612 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 299; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <369374BE.B7A5E438@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:35:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1266201@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, I suppose that design wouldn't lend itself too well to rapid pit stop tire changes at Daytona, huh? :) Oh well, I still prefer them over chains & sprockets. ;) Dale Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > > Actually, I was just trying to get the wheel itself away from the drive > portion of the transmission. After talking briefly with Dale, I went back > out to the bike. Seems straight pulling wasn't enough to break the friction > with the splines. After mucho wiggling and simultaneous pulling, the wheel > popped right off. No lug nuts or anything like that...just the axle and > associated spacers. > > Thanks again to all those that responded... > Collin > > On Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:12 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > You mean remove the rear from the pumpkin? Should be some auto type lug > nuts > > on the opposite side. > > > > Remove driveshaft from back of tranny? Varies by make. > > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 09:40:29 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12146 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id JAA00213; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:37:29 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029745; Wed, 6 Jan 99 09:36:37 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5500G6Y7G5NH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F1.00505BB3 ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:37:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:34:39 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Since the slow months are upon us, I thought I'd ask a question that's been eating at me for some time now. While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? Thanks, Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:42:16 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23035 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08412 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 238; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3693A920.D5F61DB1@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:19:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette, The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I wasn't looking, I got old! :) Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about boring old bikes all evening? ;) Dale (the Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know > (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:43:44 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23042 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24329 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:52 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:40:01 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cog@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Seasons Greetings -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No #%!*ing way man! This #%!*ing sucks! There's no Aermacchi on the #%!*ing tree! Happy #%!*ing holidays my #%!*ing a$$! Joe Still trying to recover from the #%!*ing Detroit airport : -/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:59 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22967 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11594 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxyCQ-0003bi-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:00 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Directions to Superbowl Party! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:57:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone needs directions to the party which is on January 31, starting at 3PM, here they are! Points North and West: I-495 to US-50 east. Eastbound on US-50 for approx. 10 miles. Take exit for George Mason Drive and make a right at the stoplight (George Mason southbound). Continue on George Mason Drive through four lights. At the fifth light make a right. This will be Columbus Street. Our house is the on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. Points South and East: I-95 to I-395 North. Continue on I-395 to the exit for Seminary Road. Go through the first light on the exit ramp and make a left at the second light. Continue on Seminary Road to where it turns into George Mason Drive (Seminary turns left...continue straight for George Mason). After it turns into George Mason Drive go through three lights. At the fourth light make a left. The will be Columbus Street. Our house is on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. If anyone should get lost, please speak to Tom (703) 931-9143, not Jeannette, as she will get you even more lost!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:37 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22955 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28923 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0SOa019764 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 My bike is hibernating and so is it's rider. But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff happening around town. Thanks to many of you, we'll all have the benefit of the following events: 30,000 SQUARE FOOT SWAP MEET! Sunday, January 10 York Fairgrounds in York, PA 10-4, $6 Admission East Wing of Memorial Hall, 334 Carlisle Ave., York, PA INTERNATIONAL BIKE SHOW February 12-14 Baltimore Convention Center 12th-6pm til midnight, 13th-10am til 10pm, 14th-10am til 6pm ABATE & AMA Members receive a $1 discount New ATV dealers & displays, stock & custom accesories, custom bike show with 13 classes, antique & vintage bikes to check out too! For more info 301.808.2233 DAYTONA BIKE WEEK February 26 thru March 7 (Not I! Still too cold!) NOTEABLE URLs TO KEEP HANDY: www.daytonachamber.com/98prize.htm www.officialbikeweek.com www.ama-cycle.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:48 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22961 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20399 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id QAA03476; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:21:59 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002877; Wed, 6 Jan 99 16:20:56 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5500C8BQ5XHT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F1.00755A9E ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:21:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:18:34 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Fairing Painter? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F1.0073ED47.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Hi all. Can anyone recommend a good (cheap, with good work) source to paint my Seca II? Depending on cost, I might do just body panels or include the frame also. Also, does anyone know of a good source for salvaged body parts? I might just try to replace some panels rather than have the bike repainted (again, depending on cost). Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22959 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23446 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22243 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14109 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Wed Jan 6 13:34 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA01433 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE397A.6D1B4690@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Charging Systems Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We may have already visited this subject but I thought I would pose it again since it's winter. How many amps or watts does a charging system require to stay afloat and keep the battery alive? (I'm running electrics) Maybe this is too simple a question not taking the model of bike into consideration, but I thought that there may be a rule of thumb. I would like to eventually mount a voltmeter, electronic or otherwise, to the VFR when I figure out an attractive place for it, but until then I have to sit down and do the math on the electrical system. The only thing I know currently is that I have a 470 watt alternator and I draw about 100 watts with Jacket Liner and gloves. I haven't factored in all the lights, fuel injection, etc. It worked fine during the 4 hour trip from NJ to VA per the recommendation from the Gerbing rep. --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:44:08 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23045 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21118 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 266; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3693770F.E08CC6B7@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:45:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? References: <3.0.3.32.19990106062016.00c81c5c@mailhost.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I got lots of great suggestions on how to fight the problem of the frozen gas cap, from building a shed to hot water to wd-40 and grease to hair dryers. They probably all would work. FWIW, I went outside this morning (probably about 15-20 degrees, same as last night) and the cap opened right up! Maybe it just took my lock de-icer stuff some time to work. It was supposedly 8 degrees at Dulles airport when I left for work this morning (right up the road from the office). I took the cage. It's a shaftie. It doesn't countersteer. It can't wheelie. It sucked. But I stayed warm. :) Good news is it's supposed to be warmer tomorrow. Ride safe y'all! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:42:06 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22969 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08832 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:58 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:21:29 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? I meant no glove by itself, sorry I wasn't more clear. Olys w/heated grips do just fine. Joe >>> Leon Begeman - 1/6/99 5:53 AM >>> At 10:42 AM 1/5/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at >30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. I suspect Pat Widder will disagree with you. 1-800-WY-B-COLD or http://www.widder.com I think he uses Olympia gloves, at least they sure look a lot like them. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:43:20 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23039 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from r1.boston.juno.com (r1.boston.juno.com [207.205.100.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01391 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by r1.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id LAAAA29765 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYATQZRC; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Message-ID: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-5,11-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:24:24 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a little cramp in the >hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept extends to a wind skirt (like the >coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. I wonder where you can get one of those wind skirt/blanket things and how (or if) you attach it to your bike. When I worked downtown I saw the Park Police and the DC Police motorcops use them in all kinds of super-cold weather. Except for their frozen chins, those guys looked relatively comfortable. I wouldn't mind having a thick wool (right, Brian?) blankie over my legs for winter commuting on a cruiser. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:41 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22957 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26437 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06209 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:07:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106235904.006a4754@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:59:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Widder is electrical, yes. I forgot to plug in on the way home this afternoon. Didn't notice until I was halfway home, and only then because the voltage was up around 14.0 It doesn't usually run that high in the winter. 'Course it was warmer than 30, so I guess that doesn't count. Leon. At 02:21 PM 1/6/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:35 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22953 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00374 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8GMMa20554; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/6/99 12:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor >> It was a mid-80s Sportster. I don't know what "handles really well" means, it is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in 1970 and my VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly compared to my ZX-9R. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:42:48 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23037 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01941 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061655.LAA01941@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:30 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: [VFRlist] Pics and writeup on Twin Turbo VFR... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) uhh.. from the VFR lists... Glenn, Bruce, others? time for an upgrade? heh.. :) Brian -----Original Message----- From the main list. Go to http://www.emagick.com/bornhall/ Some pics and a small write up, along with a numbers to contact the guys that did it. ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:51 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22963 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13685 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990106193053.15034.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [171.209.210.113] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:30:53 PST Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Dent Fix Info To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would he like to know how to do it himself? A hell of a lot cheaper than a shop and a lot easier than you would think. Ray ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > Hey all, > Got a friend who's bike fell over and now he has a small dent > in his tank.From how he described it,it sounds like it can just be > popped out.Any recommendations for a local shop that could do this? > Send to me or to him directly at jstod@XXXXXX(name's John).He > lives in Woodbridge.TIA. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22951 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03302 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24674 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18774 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-67.s67.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.67]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14839 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3694216D.79C71CA7@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:52:30 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Another successful tire change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the subject says, tire changing went fairly smooth at Glenn's house this evening. The worst problem that we encountered was a frozen can of Rim Eaze!! So into the house for a beer and TV while it thawed in a tub of hot water :) Both tires seated OK using Glenn's compressor; however, it just didn't seem to have the same ooompf that the commercial compressor at the gas station up the street from my house has. I prefer to hear two nice loud SNAPS compared to two soft "plops". Tomorrow after work they'll be mounted back on the bike and Friday I'll be riding in again....ahhhhhh ..... riding...... guess I better hunt for a set of gloves tomorrow too...all I have is a lightweight pair of summer racing gloves... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22965 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11468 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxy7M-00032v-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:55:44 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:51:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Of course we will! We have a nice big t.v. in the family room for those who wish to actually view the game! ; ) What's the date of your b-day? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:19 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! > > Jeannette, > > The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring > a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I > wasn't looking, I got old! :) > > Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans > can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about > boring old bikes all evening? ;) > > Dale (the Horkster) > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:10:45 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00635 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-67.s67.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.67]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id XAA24200 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:09:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36943ADF.5DDFEB6E@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:41:03 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another successful tire change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the subject says, tire changing went fairly smooth at Glenn's house this evening. The worst problem that we encountered was a frozen can of Rim Eaze!! So into the house for a beer and TV while it thawed in a tub of hot water :) Both tires seated OK using Glenn's compressor; however, it just didn't seem to have the same ooompf that the commercial compressor at the gas station up the street from my house has. I prefer to hear two nice loud SNAPS compared to two soft "plops". Tomorrow after work they'll be mounted back on the bike and Friday I'll be riding in again....ahhhhhh ..... riding...... guess I better hunt for a set of gloves tomorrow too...all I have is a lightweight pair of summer racing gloves... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:21:47 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23042 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24329 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:52 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:40:01 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cog@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Seasons Greetings -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No #%!*ing way man! This #%!*ing sucks! There's no Aermacchi on the #%!*ing tree! Happy #%!*ing holidays my #%!*ing a$$! Joe Still trying to recover from the #%!*ing Detroit airport : -/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23037 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01941 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061655.LAA01941@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:30 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: [VFRlist] Pics and writeup on Twin Turbo VFR... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) uhh.. from the VFR lists... Glenn, Bruce, others? time for an upgrade? heh.. :) Brian -----Original Message----- From the main list. Go to http://www.emagick.com/bornhall/ Some pics and a small write up, along with a numbers to contact the guys that did it. ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:49:09 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22957 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26437 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06209 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:07:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106235904.006a4754@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:59:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Widder is electrical, yes. I forgot to plug in on the way home this afternoon. Didn't notice until I was halfway home, and only then because the voltage was up around 14.0 It doesn't usually run that high in the winter. 'Course it was warmer than 30, so I guess that doesn't count. Leon. At 02:21 PM 1/6/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:50:39 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22953 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00374 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8GMMa20554; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/6/99 12:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor >> It was a mid-80s Sportster. I don't know what "handles really well" means, it is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in 1970 and my VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly compared to my ZX-9R. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:51:59 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22969 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08832 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:58 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:21:29 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? I meant no glove by itself, sorry I wasn't more clear. Olys w/heated grips do just fine. Joe >>> Leon Begeman - 1/6/99 5:53 AM >>> At 10:42 AM 1/5/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at >30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. I suspect Pat Widder will disagree with you. 1-800-WY-B-COLD or http://www.widder.com I think he uses Olympia gloves, at least they sure look a lot like them. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:55:39 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23035 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08412 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 238; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3693A920.D5F61DB1@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:19:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette, The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I wasn't looking, I got old! :) Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about boring old bikes all evening? ;) Dale (the Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know > (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:57:43 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02216 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09611 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be39f9$d2831b00$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: In the USA? Hop in your sleigh. Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:49:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Coast to coast the topic is c o o o o o l. [From the Vulcan (VROC) list.] 60 degrees - Californians put their sweaters on. 50 degrees - Miami residents turn on the heat. VROCers start wearing thier heavy jackets and gloves when riding. 45 degrees - Vermont residents go to outdoor concert. 40 degrees - You can see your breath Californians shiver uncontrollably Minnesotans go swimming. 35 degrees - Italian cars don't start. 32 degrees - Water freezes. VROCers start thinking about putting Sta-bil in thier tanks. 30 degrees - You plan your vacation in Australia. 25 degrees - Ohio water freezes Californians weep pitiably Minnesotans eat ice cream Canadians go swimming. 20 degrees - Politicians begin to talk about the homeless New York City water freezes Miami residents plan vacation farther south. VROCers are huddled in front of their monitors while thier bikes are nestled in the garage under a mink blanket. 15 degrees - French cars don't start Cat insists on sleeping in your bed with you. 10 degrees - You need jumper cables to get the car going. 5 degrees - American cars don't start. 0 degrees - Alaskans put on T-shirts. -10 degrees - German cars don't start Eyes freeze shut when you step outside. -15 degrees - You can cut your breath and use it to build an igloo Arkansans stick tongue on metal objects Miami residents cease to exist. -20 degrees - Cat insists on sleeping in pajamas with you Politicians actually do something about the homeless Minnesotans shovel snow off roof Japanese cars don't start. -25 degrees - Too cold to think You need jumper cables to get the driver going. The VROCers in Australia make fun of you. -30 degrees - You plan a two week hot bath Swedish cars don't start. -40 degrees - Californians disappear Minnesotans button top button Canadians put on sweater Your car helps you plan your trip South. -50 degrees - Congressional hot air freezes Alaskans close the bathroom window. -80 degrees - Polar bears move South Green Bay Packer fans order hot cocoa at the game. -90 degrees - Lawyers put their hands in their own pockets. -100 degrees - Hell freezes over Clinton finally tells all. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:58:19 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22963 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13685 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990106193053.15034.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [171.209.210.113] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:30:53 PST Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Dent Fix Info To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would he like to know how to do it himself? A hell of a lot cheaper than a shop and a lot easier than you would think. Ray ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > Hey all, > Got a friend who's bike fell over and now he has a small dent > in his tank.From how he described it,it sounds like it can just be > popped out.Any recommendations for a local shop that could do this? > Send to me or to him directly at jstod@XXXXXX(name's John).He > lives in Woodbridge.TIA. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:03:24 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02349 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09747 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be39fa$a7361820$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Looking forward to trailer times? Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:00:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 For the ultra-efficient -- http://www.n-line.com/ Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:11:28 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02574 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11056 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:07:23 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , , Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <007801be39fc$57a62280$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Importance: Normal I imagine Gil will jump in here on this one, but to the best of my knowledge, the Sportys were last changed (majorly) in the mid-late 80's. Got a 5 speed, belt drive, better engines... Could be a modern Sporty is quite a different beast from the one you rode. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > It was a mid-80s Sportster. I don't know what "handles really > well" means, it > is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in > 1970 and my > VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly > compared to > my ZX-9R. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:15:26 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02743 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11152 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21161; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:16:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006b01be39fc$7eb53820$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dale Horstman" , Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:13:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Nice 32" Sony Trinitron to watch the game on... my pride and joy!! :-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! >Jeannette, > >The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring >a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I >wasn't looking, I got old! :) > >Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans >can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about >boring old bikes all evening? ;) > >Dale (the Horkster) > >O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> >> Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >> (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:17:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22965 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11468 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxy7M-00032v-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:55:44 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:51:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Of course we will! We have a nice big t.v. in the family room for those who wish to actually view the game! ; ) What's the date of your b-day? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:19 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! > > Jeannette, > > The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring > a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I > wasn't looking, I got old! :) > > Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans > can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about > boring old bikes all evening? ;) > > Dale (the Horkster) > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:21:48 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22955 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28923 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0SOa019764 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 My bike is hibernating and so is it's rider. But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff happening around town. Thanks to many of you, we'll all have the benefit of the following events: 30,000 SQUARE FOOT SWAP MEET! Sunday, January 10 York Fairgrounds in York, PA 10-4, $6 Admission East Wing of Memorial Hall, 334 Carlisle Ave., York, PA INTERNATIONAL BIKE SHOW February 12-14 Baltimore Convention Center 12th-6pm til midnight, 13th-10am til 10pm, 14th-10am til 6pm ABATE & AMA Members receive a $1 discount New ATV dealers & displays, stock & custom accesories, custom bike show with 13 classes, antique & vintage bikes to check out too! For more info 301.808.2233 DAYTONA BIKE WEEK February 26 thru March 7 (Not I! Still too cold!) NOTEABLE URLs TO KEEP HANDY: www.daytonachamber.com/98prize.htm www.officialbikeweek.com www.ama-cycle.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:22:59 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23045 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21118 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 266; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3693770F.E08CC6B7@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:45:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? References: <3.0.3.32.19990106062016.00c81c5c@mailhost.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I got lots of great suggestions on how to fight the problem of the frozen gas cap, from building a shed to hot water to wd-40 and grease to hair dryers. They probably all would work. FWIW, I went outside this morning (probably about 15-20 degrees, same as last night) and the cap opened right up! Maybe it just took my lock de-icer stuff some time to work. It was supposedly 8 degrees at Dulles airport when I left for work this morning (right up the road from the office). I took the cage. It's a shaftie. It doesn't countersteer. It can't wheelie. It sucked. But I stayed warm. :) Good news is it's supposed to be warmer tomorrow. Ride safe y'all! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:24:05 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22961 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20399 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id QAA03476; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:21:59 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002877; Wed, 6 Jan 99 16:20:56 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5500C8BQ5XHT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F1.00755A9E ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:21:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:18:34 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Fairing Painter? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F1.0073ED47.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Hi all. Can anyone recommend a good (cheap, with good work) source to paint my Seca II? Depending on cost, I might do just body panels or include the frame also. Also, does anyone know of a good source for salvaged body parts? I might just try to replace some panels rather than have the bike repainted (again, depending on cost). Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:31:19 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03057 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA18401; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:27:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:10:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/6/99 12:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > << Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) > and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't > take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor >> > It was a mid-80s Sportster. Been alot of updates since then.Frame,carb,ignition/elect system,final drive,# of gears,displacement,etc,etc. > I don't know what "handles really well" means, it > is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in 1970 and my > VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly compared to > my ZX-9R. Let me quantify my phrase.The XL-S handled better than my old 700 Nighthawk S or my box-stock '86 VFR,both of which have similar weight/wheelbase to the Sporty.It won't hang with an R1 or 916,but it's right in there with any current standard and most sport-tourers. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:39:46 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03185 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA09046 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:39:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36947322.3A5C@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:41:07 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Chain Alignment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy, in response to someone, opined: > BTW, I check my chain/rear wheel alignment from the center of the axle to > the center of the swingarm pivot with a ruler.. not by the little marks that > tell you when your chain's worn out.. This has always been a perennial (maybe more often! ;) problem for me. Why? Well, as Brian points out, you can't get proper alignment from those little hash marks on the adjusting sliders (my terms). I remember when I had my 'ole Triumphs (ca 1970) the manual would suggest - I'm not making this up - taking two 2x4's and placing them along the sides of the front tire and setting them up against the rear tire to check for diversion (if I'm making myself clear). Of course, they didn't say you needed to know a little something about wood and how it bows or bends etc. but whatever... I always thought that seemed extreme, not to mention inexact, so what I do is this: I adjust as best I can using the wrench on the adjusters with equal turns (45 or 90 or whatever degrees) after I loosen the rear nut, insuring that the original alignment hasn't been altered. (What I mean here is to make sure you don't pull the right side of the wheel backweard once the nut is loose). Then I spin the rear wheel (a center stand helps big time here ;) and finally torque down on the axle nut, making sure I have maximum spin (revolutions). If there is deviation, I'm pretty sure it'll be discernible either by noise or increased friction. This seems to work for me. I got 22K (!) out of my el-cheapo RK O-type chain, which was recently replaced in the 'ole Interceptor. YMMV, JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:42:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22959 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23446 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22243 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14109 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Wed Jan 6 13:34 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA01433 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE397A.6D1B4690@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Charging Systems Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We may have already visited this subject but I thought I would pose it again since it's winter. How many amps or watts does a charging system require to stay afloat and keep the battery alive? (I'm running electrics) Maybe this is too simple a question not taking the model of bike into consideration, but I thought that there may be a rule of thumb. I would like to eventually mount a voltmeter, electronic or otherwise, to the VFR when I figure out an attractive place for it, but until then I have to sit down and do the math on the electrical system. The only thing I know currently is that I have a 470 watt alternator and I draw about 100 watts with Jacket Liner and gloves. I haven't factored in all the lights, fuel injection, etc. It worked fine during the 4 hour trip from NJ to VA per the recommendation from the Gerbing rep. --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:44:19 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23039 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from r1.boston.juno.com (r1.boston.juno.com [207.205.100.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01391 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by r1.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id LAAAA29765 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYATQZRC; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Message-ID: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-5,11-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:24:24 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a little cramp in the >hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept extends to a wind skirt (like the >coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. I wonder where you can get one of those wind skirt/blanket things and how (or if) you attach it to your bike. When I worked downtown I saw the Park Police and the DC Police motorcops use them in all kinds of super-cold weather. Except for their frozen chins, those guys looked relatively comfortable. I wouldn't mind having a thick wool (right, Brian?) blankie over my legs for winter commuting on a cruiser. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:44:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22951 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03302 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24674 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18774 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-67.s67.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.67]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14839 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3694216D.79C71CA7@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:52:30 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Another successful tire change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the subject says, tire changing went fairly smooth at Glenn's house this evening. The worst problem that we encountered was a frozen can of Rim Eaze!! So into the house for a beer and TV while it thawed in a tub of hot water :) Both tires seated OK using Glenn's compressor; however, it just didn't seem to have the same ooompf that the commercial compressor at the gas station up the street from my house has. I prefer to hear two nice loud SNAPS compared to two soft "plops". Tomorrow after work they'll be mounted back on the bike and Friday I'll be riding in again....ahhhhhh ..... riding...... guess I better hunt for a set of gloves tomorrow too...all I have is a lightweight pair of summer racing gloves... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:44:46 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22967 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11594 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxyCQ-0003bi-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:00 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Directions to Superbowl Party! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:57:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone needs directions to the party which is on January 31, starting at 3PM, here they are! Points North and West: I-495 to US-50 east. Eastbound on US-50 for approx. 10 miles. Take exit for George Mason Drive and make a right at the stoplight (George Mason southbound). Continue on George Mason Drive through four lights. At the fifth light make a right. This will be Columbus Street. Our house is the on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. Points South and East: I-95 to I-395 North. Continue on I-395 to the exit for Seminary Road. Go through the first light on the exit ramp and make a left at the second light. Continue on Seminary Road to where it turns into George Mason Drive (Seminary turns left...continue straight for George Mason). After it turns into George Mason Drive go through three lights. At the fourth light make a left. The will be Columbus Street. Our house is on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. If anyone should get lost, please speak to Tom (703) 931-9143, not Jeannette, as she will get you even more lost!!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:49:12 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03479 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13223 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:45:50 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:50:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be3a01$af0e97a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Seen lots of cops with 'em. Anybody know a mounted cop to ask? Or maybe try a police equipment store? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 01:33:47 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04217 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:20:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Christopher A. Weaver" , Subject: RE: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:25:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be3a06$85798120$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, HD used to have a translation guide on their site. XL-> Sportsters FL-> Touring Bikes Beyond that, I'm lost:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 02:05:26 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA05060 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA19075; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:01:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:41:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Christopher A. Weaver wrote: > While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. > I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model > names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an > appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these > terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? F=Big Twin,XL=Sportster. FL='heavy' front end,16" wheel FLT=touring model FX='regular' cruiser,21 or 19" front wheel FXR=old rubbermount,had triangular side covers(similar to Featherbed frame) FXD=current rubbermount ST=softail frame(solid mount engine,underslung shocks) S=springer front end This is a sample of how they go.Sometimes they stray though,as an FLSTS is a Springer,while an XL1200S is a sport model.They also sometimes use part of the name in the model designation;ie,FXDWG=Dyna Wide Glide,FXDS-Conv= Dyna Convertible. If you want the whole story,surf over to World Wide Glide: http://world-wide-glide.com/nomen1.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 05:59:12 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA09425 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:59:10 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA27908 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GQZMa03537; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30886209.36949314@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:57:24 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/7/99 12:10:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << I imagine Gil will jump in here on this one, but to the best of my knowledge, the Sportys were last changed (majorly) in the mid-late 80's. Got a 5 speed, belt drive, better engines... Could be a modern Sporty is quite a different beast from the one you rode. >> Frankly, the more modern sportsters look to be less "sport-bike" and more "cruiser" than the older ones, so I suspect that handling-wise they have not been transformed drastically. Not having ridden a new one I will not insist, however. Again, handling is a relative term. I suspect that a Sportster would be at or over its handling (and power) limits often at the corner and exit speeds achieved on some of the brisker rides I participate in with either the ZX-9R or VFR. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 06:04:25 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09524 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IHIPa04329; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:03:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:03:06 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/7/99 12:41:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Let me quantify my phrase.The XL-S handled better than my old 700 Nighthawk S or my box-stock '86 VFR,both of which have similar weight/wheelbase to the Sporty.It won't hang with an R1 or 916,but it's right in there with any current standard and most sport-tourers. >> Gil, I don't know if you are prone to hyperbole in attempting to make a point or your style of riding is particularly suited to Harleys, however, I just will not believe that a Sportster handles "better" than a 86-VFR-750 for the type of aggressive riding I am talking about. Just the steering geometry of the Sportster and cornering clearance makes your assertion hard to swallow. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 06:06:58 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09612 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:06:57 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ODOGa07017; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:05:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:05:29 EST To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain Alignment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/7/99 12:44:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << I remember when I had my 'ole Triumphs (ca 1970) the manual would suggest - I'm not making this up - taking two 2x4's and placing them along the sides of the front tire and setting them up against the rear tire to check for diversion (if I'm making myself clear). >> The manual for my Norton says to use straight 2x4s. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 07:09:28 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (algw1.att.com [192.128.167.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10603 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from alms2.fw.att.com by algw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for meretrix.com!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Thu Jan 7 07:03 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by alms2.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA29303 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3A0C.9B4C4CC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/06/99 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:09:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, This is the official explanation of the "HD Alphabet": http://www.harley-davidson.com/products/motorcycles/alpha/alpha.asp ...but I still don't get it. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 >Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:34:39 -0500 >From: "Christopher A. Weaver" > >Subject: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Content-disposition: inline >X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL > >Since the slow months are upon us, I thought I'd ask a question that's been >eating at me for some time now. > >While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. >I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model >names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an >appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these >terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? > >Thanks, >Chris Weaver > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11755 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01839 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27733 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5122410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:29 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107081726.00fc8770@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:21:48 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Charging Systems In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:42 PM 1/6/99 , Carver, John wrote: >How many amps or watts does a charging system require to stay afloat and >keep the battery alive? (I'm running electrics) Maybe this is too >simple a question not taking the model of bike into consideration, but I >thought that there may be a rule of thumb. I wondered how long I could leave my vest on when I'm riding in town with my new(er) bike. So I started the bike, hooked up the vest, dialed it to maximum and put a voltmeter across the battery. My bike, with a 400 watt alternator (yay!) will put 13.2 volts to the battery at about 1600 rpm (and more voltage at higher rpms, up to the voltage regulator limit). Anything above 13.2 will charge the battery (6 cells at 2.2 volts each means a 12-volt battery is really a 13.2-volt battery). So I figure I'm okay. warmly, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11758 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5172410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107082310.00fc0590@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:24:42 -0500 To: "Christopher A. Weaver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? In-Reply-To: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:34 AM 1/6/99 , Christopher A. Weaver wrote: >While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. >I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model >names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an >appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these >terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? Simple really, each letter stands for a more commonly known symbol. That symbol is " $ ". Or you could try http://www.harley-davidson.com/home.asp look under "Products Index", "H-D Alphabet" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11757 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A50A2410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107075543.00fbae60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:56:22 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! In-Reply-To: <3693A920.D5F61DB1@tidalwave.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? :-) Chris Norloff At 01:19 PM 1/6/99 , you wrote: >Jeannette, > >The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring >a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I >wasn't looking, I got old! :) > >Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans >can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about >boring old bikes all evening? ;) > >Dale (the Horkster) > >O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> >> Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >> (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11756 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5142410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107081044.00fcda90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:14:47 -0500 To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Chain Alignment In-Reply-To: <36947322.3A5C@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Brian McCoy, in response to someone, opined: >> BTW, I check my chain/rear wheel alignment from the center of the axle to >> the center of the swingarm pivot with a ruler.. not by the little marks that >> tell you when your chain's worn out.. > >At 03:41 AM 1/7/99 , John C. Kozyn wrote: >This has always been a perennial (maybe more often! ;) problem for me. >Why? Well, as Brian points out, you can't get proper alignment from >those little hash marks on the adjusting sliders (my terms). I remember >when I had my 'ole Triumphs (ca 1970) the manual would suggest - I'm not >making this up - taking two 2x4's and placing them along the sides of >the front tire and setting them up against the rear tire to check for >diversion (if I'm making myself clear). With my chain-drive bikes, I line up the axle with the little marks on the swingarm, then go for a test ride. I figure the left side of the axle is the chain tension adjustment, so I leave that alone after I set it. I then adjust the right side of the axle until the motorcycle tracks straight ahead with my hands off the handlebars. My last chain lasted 27,000 miles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:23:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11792 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from natiboh.torrentnet.com (natiboh.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.1]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04249 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natiboh.torrentnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA06949 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com(204.194.180.31) by natiboh.torrentnet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006947; Thu, 7 Jan 99 08:23:07 -0500 Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5182410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107082453.00fcb670@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:28:20 -0500 To: "George Howell" , "Bikes R Us" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Cc: In-Reply-To: <000001be3a01$af0e97a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:50 AM 1/7/99 , George Howell wrote: >Seen lots of cops with 'em. Anybody know a mounted cop to ask? Or maybe try >a police equipment store? I suspect the lap blankets come as part of the package deal with the bikes. Rumors have it that Langlitz Leathers (http://www.langlitz.com/) might make the lap blankets, but I think they're probably custom made for each customer. I just don't think there's enough market to actually make a production run. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:43:17 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12143 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zyFiT-0002VX-01; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:43:13 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBCB@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:39:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, great! : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 7:56 AM > To: Dale Horstman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:53:00 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12302 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA15359 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:52:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3694E6E7.4E8D@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:55:03 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Attn Ray Lucas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Sorry for the bandwidth wastage, but I have some info for Ray and don't have his addy handy. JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 09:15:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12679 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02469 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibmmail.COM (ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28673 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 4126 ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:15:28 EST Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:15:21 EST Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F2.004E77FD ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:17:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F2.004D999B.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:25 -0500 Subject: several tidbits.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Chris Weaver asked about the Harley Nomenclature.... check www.harleyswap.com/glossary.htm For chain alignment..... I am a real pack rat so years ago I thought i should keep this "blackboard compass". Remember the old wooden compass your teacher used in high school Geometry, had the rubber end and a piece of chalk? Well if you insert a sharpened dowel into both ends you can very accurately compare both sides of the axle to center of swingarm length, and reach over all the stuff in between! Scarves..... One of the reasons I bought my FirstGear jacket was the fleece lined neck warmer that is part of the jacket liner. the liner has a slit in the middle of the back, that the neck warmer can be pulled up through if wanted. Has Velcro adjustment and works very well. Anyone with a sewing machine could do similar to any removable liner I am sure, check it out when you stop in a shop.... Dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 09:40:30 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13014 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA06864 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:37:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990107143955.ECRE22059@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:39:55 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Bike For Sale... not mine a friend's bike Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3a4b$8f4785e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal FYI > > For Sale: > 1998 Kawasaki Concours ZG-1000 all dealer service has 2900 miles > will sell > with tank bag. Asking $6500.00... Call Dave Wilson days: > 614-856-3976 x 207 > evenings 614-759-8526. Bike located in the Columbus Ohio area. Dave said > he will be out of town 1/9 through 1/13. You can also email him at > dwilson@XXXXXX > > Remember.... contact him NOT me! > Thanks. > Brick > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:09:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13486 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 158; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3694CE18.EC6062E6@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:09:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <4.1.19990107075543.00fbae60@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, at halftime. Knock yourself out! :) Dale Chris Norloff wrote: > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? > > :-) > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:10:51 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13499 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 355; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:09:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3694CE75.22AC5D38@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:10:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My birthday really is the 31st - SuperBowl Sunday! Pretty cool, huh? (Too bad the Steelers sucked this year....oh well...) Dale O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > What's the date of your b-day? > > - Jeannette -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:27:39 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13846 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:24:21 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "Christopher A. Weaver" , Subject: RE: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:29:28 -0500 Message-ID: <003501be3a52$83cafc40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990107082310.00fc0590@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal > Simple really, each letter stands for a more commonly known symbol. That > symbol is " $ ". This from someone with a K11LT?? ;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:29:35 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13856 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:26:17 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:31:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003601be3a52$c8c474c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3694CE18.EC6062E6@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal > Sure, at halftime. Knock yourself out! :) > > Dale > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? Hey, you're gonna miss the MTV superbowl Deathmatch special! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 13:07:21 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16624 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA24750; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:08:44 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024522; Thu, 7 Jan 99 13:07:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F57001G1BG1XF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F2.0062DAFA ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:59:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:27:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F2.0054AB01.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah, even if your not a football fan the cool commercials are worth watching. One of the few programs that you can tape and fast forward TO the commercials. :-) --chris To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Horstman Date: 01/07/99 03:09:12 PM GMT Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Sure, at halftime. Knock yourself out! :) Dale Chris Norloff wrote: > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 14:04:39 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17589 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id OAA20622; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:34 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA22002; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer? Going slow and enjoying the scenery, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 14:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18207 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901071936.OAA18207@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:28:38 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:28:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) The wosrt choice you could make would be to not pay it. My situation went the other way, live in MD, got caught speeding in VA.. 90-something*mumble, mumble* in a 55.. went to court, ended up with just a plain ole speeding ticket, and $130 in fines/court costs.... about half what the ticket itself was for.. and a HELL of a lot cheaper than all the compounding fines for ignoring the situation. (I know that from experience.. ignored a speeding ticket received in Wyoming when living in Montana.. they came and found me, I ended up paying over $1,000 when that was all said and done) As for your question, I believe the ticket crosses the state lines, but no points of other offenses/infractions. I only have 2 points on my MD license.. from one ticket I've received here.. since then, I've had 4 other tickets in 4 other states... they've shown up, but without any penalty to me (or my insurance interestingly enough). Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) > -----Original Message----- > > Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation > between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding > ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it > I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA > to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer? > > Going slow and enjoying the scenery, > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:07:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18745 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA20057; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:05:29 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990107200614.DFYI28868@[166.41.242.214]>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:06:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be3a79$23fc3e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Yes. There is reciprocity between MD/VA/DC. Though I am unclear that if you were cited for over 80mph, or whatever is considered 'reckless driving' in VA, that it would show this way on your record. I believe MD has a more progressive attitude concerning speed and would simply report it as 'speeding'. > > > Hi, > > Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation > between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding > ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it > I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA > to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer? > > Going slow and enjoying the scenery, > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:17:23 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18915 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id PAA07260; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id PAA24933; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia In-Reply-To: <000901be3a79$23fc3e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not really concerned with the points showing up on my license as I am with being tracked down and put in jail for not paying the ticket. The question is will they come looking for me? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:28:16 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19093 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26640 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:28:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > I'm not really concerned with the points showing > up on my license as I am with being tracked down and put > in jail for not paying the ticket. The question is will > they come looking for me? They will issue an arrest warrant but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll come looking for you. If you get pulled over again in MD you could be in for some trouble though. Once you receive an arrest warrant you usually figure it's time to pay the fine. At least I did. :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:32:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19222 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08456 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11536 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MFVCa06035; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:31:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6ffcbf7e.369519b5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:31:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Dundalk district court Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Anyone know where the hell this place is located? I have to go there tomorrow for a court date that I got back in august on my tlr. 76 in a 65, I was just cruising in the fast lane, not in and out of cars or anything. I was too tired for all that I had been riding since 4am coming home from a work trip, anyway, enough explaining, the address is 100 center place in dundalk. ??? I know how to get to dundalk over the key bridge, but from there, got me... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:40:05 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19340 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYDV6SCR; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:37:35 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Message-ID: <19990107.153514.8159.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901071936.OAA18207@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-8,21-23 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:37:35 EST On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:28:33 -0800 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >...since then, I've had 4 other tickets in 4 other states... they've shown up, but without >any penalty to me (or my insurance interestingly enough). > >Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) Yeah, you're just lucky. From MY experience, a MD ticket will show up on your VA record. Not PAYING the ticket right away will cause a compounding of the fine of geometric proportions. And if you're heavily in the red regarding points, a MD ticket could cause your VA license to be suspended. And your insurance company could drop you (and your wife with her perfect record, whose only fault was marrying you). Then you'd be shopping for insurance and having many outrageous figures quoted to you by smug insurance agents with island vacation brochures in their pockets featuring pictures of beaches at sunset and impossibly tan people wearing bright-colored swimwear and happy smiles. My advice to Hugh would be to go to court and try to have the offense reduced to something less points-heavy, such as "Failure to Obey a Highway Sign," and to pay the fine on the spot. Just don't ask me how I know... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:13:40 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22041 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA23889; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-51.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.179) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023760; Thu Jan 7 17:12:23 1999 Message-ID: <007a01be3a93$22899cc0$b35e23c7@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: Re: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:12:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 MD will suspend your OL if you dont pay the fine and/or appear in court, = then send notice to VA DMV who will in turn also suspend your OL. Then = you run the risk of getting locked up for driving on a suspended = OL...... Class 1 Misd $2500.00, up to one year..... Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:10 PM Subject: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia > > Hi, > > Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation >between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding=20 >ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it >I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA >to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer?=20 > > Going slow and enjoying the scenery,=20 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:42:11 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22514 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0179.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.211]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA07625 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:41:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369570E8.7D25@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:43:52 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: GP racing Sim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, This from alt.motorcycle.sportbike ================================== Don't know of it's any good, they claim it's a sim, not an arcade game. http://www.ascaron.com/german/products/gp500/index.html The demo in one zip file can be had here - (20 meg) http://www.3dfiles.com/games/grandprix500ccm.shtml From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:43:50 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22526 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:43:41 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22692 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:43:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901072343.SAA22692@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Valley Cycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:43:15 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I took advantage of the great weather, and visited Valley Cycle in their new location in Winchester. They are on East rd 50, 2 miles east of Harley dealership, next to airport. Great new facility, quite a few nice bikes. There is a 1999 new red Ducati 996. Just gorgeous. I spend about half an hour looking at small detials, tank shape, etc. etc. Got back home, and in my mailbox there were a new issue of Cycle World, with a story about this particular bike. What a coincidence. Tomorrow snow. Will have to wait few weeks before I will pull my bike out of garage. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:51:22 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22682 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9WRSa01433; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:46:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:46:33 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/7/99 10:15:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << My birthday really is the 31st - SuperBowl Sunday! Pretty cool, huh? (Too bad the Steelers sucked this year....oh well...) Dale >> ALRIGHT!!! ANOTHER STEELERS FAN!!! :-) Yeah,, birthday on SuperBowl Sunday is pretty cool. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:53:51 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22693 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0JWTa15290; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:52:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <667ee141.369548a4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:52:04 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/7/99 2:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << As for your question, I believe the ticket crosses the state lines, but no points of other offenses/infractions. I only have 2 points on my MD license.. from one ticket I've received here.. since then, I've had 4 other tickets in 4 other states... they've shown up, but without any penalty to me (or my insurance interestingly enough). Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) >> Nope, just right. :-) The ticket crosses the border but not the points. He's also right about paying the ticket. Just do it and get it over with. If it's too much, call ask set up payments. They'd rather do that then not get any money at all. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 20:02:50 1999 Return-Path: labonilla@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23813 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-54-20.s20.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.20]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03072 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:02:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369583E8.B2EDC996@erols.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:04:56 -0800 From: Alexander Bonilla X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mailing list!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me what do I have to do to get out of the mailing list, (i.e. the right e-mail address to write to)? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 21:38:33 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25265 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.3]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F5700DH3ZB4MX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:37:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:38:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Mailing list!!! To: Alexander Bonilla , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00f901be3aaf$f9a54bc0$034937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Alex you loser, e-mail Harry at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX and tell him to unsubscribe you. Puto culero...... Jon 8^P -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bonilla To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Mailing list!!! >Can anyone tell me what do I have to do to get out of the mailing list, >(i.e. the right e-mail address to write to)? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 21:44:26 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25364 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.3]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F5700BGKZKZXL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:44:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <011101be3ab0$cd3af200$034937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >There is a 1999 new red Ducati 996. Just gorgeous. I spend about half >an hour looking at small detials, tank shape, etc. etc. Got back home, >and in my mailbox there were a new issue of Cycle World, with a story >about this particular bike. What a coincidence. >_zjt Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 22:05:53 1999 Return-Path: labonilla@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25842 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com (207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.2]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA25223; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by 207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE3A8A.2F24EEC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:07:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE3A8A.2F24EEC0@207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com> From: Alexander Bonilla To: "'dawn.jon@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Mailing list!!! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:06:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HEY JON (GAY BOY) Dawn, thanks for the info. PLAYITO By the way, that message in the answering machine is sooooo GAY!!! -----Original Message----- From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX [SMTP:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 6:38 PM To: Alexander Bonilla; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mailing list!!! Alex you loser, e-mail Harry at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX and tell him to unsubscribe you. Puto culero...... Jon 8^P -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bonilla To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Mailing list!!! >Can anyone tell me what do I have to do to get out of the mailing list, >(i.e. the right e-mail address to write to)? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 22:07:24 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25885 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-127.s127.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.127]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02146; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:06:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369577BB.A2FE9657@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:12:59 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX CC: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valley Cycle References: <011101be3ab0$cd3af200$034937a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the 996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but hey.... Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess it wasn't a scam after all :) dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) > > Jon -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 22:31:06 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26307 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.3]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35510) with SMTP id <0F5800FRZ1QRSD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:31:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , dc-cycles Message-id: <014401be3ab7$51cbf5e0$034937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, >and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the >996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but >hey.... >Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist >magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted >info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess >it wasn't a scam after all :) Hey Collin, can you post that addy again? I want free mags! I must have missed that one..... BTW, I know what you mean, I can't afford a used 888 or 851, not to mention a 996! Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 00:26:58 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28195 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24345; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:23:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:10:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't know if you are prone to hyperbole in attempting to make a point or > your style of riding is particularly suited to Harleys, however, I just will > not believe that a Sportster handles "better" than a 86-VFR-750 for the type > of aggressive riding I am talking about. Just the steering geometry of the > Sportster and cornering clearance makes your assertion hard to swallow. Remember I'm talking about a _stock_ '86 Viffer vs the _Sport_ model XL(fancy suspension,sticky tires,uprated brakes).Maybe if you took the two out on the track the Viffer might have the edge with ground clearance and faster steering,but for anything but the most gonzo street riding the XL-S is better.Plenty of clearance for the street,no 16" front wheel twitch,and the modern suspension handles bumps much better.The Harley's suspenders are top shelf items;only dif between their's and a G00F's are the number of shocks and fork diameter.We've come a long way since the '80's. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 00:31:23 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28352 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24371; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:27:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:23:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000901be3a79$23fc3e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > I believe MD has a more > progressive attitude concerning speed and would simply report it as > 'speeding'. Quite possible.I got nailed once in VA and the cop and judge didn't want to hear anything.Got tagged in MD by a speedtrap and the cop who wrote the ticket knocked it down as far as he could(about 12mph) just cause I pulled right over,waited 10min for him to pull up,and gave him zero flack.YMMV. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 01:28:07 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29207 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 01:17:22 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:22:38 -0500 Message-ID: <009301be3acf$49e8fe00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 When I was 16, got pulled over doing 85 in a 40 (late at night, rural road, NOBODY on it, and I was young and stupid:) Told the cop I just got into a fight with girlfriend (true) and he said "man, I know where you're coming from" and proceeded to drop it to a one point "Excessive Speed" ticket. 'Course, he didn't know how fast I was really going. No radar. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 01:28:09 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29209 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 01:14:47 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Subject: RE: Valley Cycle Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <009201be3ace$ed28ca60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <369577BB.A2FE9657@geocities.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, > and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the > 996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but > hey.... Didn't read the article (Ducati's are too rich for my blood. However, at the Ohio show last year, I must say that the size fit Angie to a T:) But what did they change besides bore and stroke? No offense, but there's no reason the price should change just from that. It doesn't cost any more to make two cylinders and two pistons that are a bit larger. HD makes MUCH more on the XL1200 than on the 883. Ditto for BMW and the 1100 vs. 850 twins. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 07:25:20 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05891 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:25:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081225.HAA05891@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:25:14 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: whee... fun ride. Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:25:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Ok, so I only made it like .3 of a mile total.. and it was slick.. very slick, so slick I could accelerate up the hill outside my home on my lethargic XT250 without spinning the tire.. but it was fun sliding it all over the place till I crashed.. :P Oh-well.. someone came and picked me up.. see, even when you don't have a 4 wheels joined to the same vehicle, you can get around in style in this weather.. :P heh.. Tha net turd goes skiing.. :) next installment. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 09:44:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08071 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:44:11 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA10672; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:45:46 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010488; Fri, 8 Jan 99 09:45:08 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5800HGMWYDBX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F3.0050C12A ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:42:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:40:19 -0500 Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <852566F3.00506BDA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You're just lucky. Or there is only one-way reciprocity (kind of an awkward stmt, I know) I've gotten three tickets in the past 5 years or so ... one in MD on I-68, and one in NC on I-95. Both in a cage, and they hit my VA license complete with point assessments. The third was on the bike, on the BRP from a US Park Police Officer. VA has no reciprocity with the US Dept of the Interior, so that was just a fine (that I payed), but no points. --chris (who has NO tickets in the past 18 months, and is trying *really* hard to keep it that way) From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: 01/07/99 07:28:33 PM GMT Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia --snip-- Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:04:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08394 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA20448; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:05:40 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019416; Fri, 8 Jan 99 10:04:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5800KBXXT471@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F3.0052700D ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:00:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:00:00 -0500 Subject: Motorcycle $$$ question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F3.005230B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Loosely MC related ... Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. I assume noone has received anything yet? --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:15:47 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08625 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zyddX-00013F-01; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:15:43 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBF7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:11:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have, but I think just for my car. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle $$$ question > > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate > checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about > this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:18:09 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08635 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:17:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:17:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I received a check for my MR2 back in July and one for my Corolla and Magna a couple months ago. They were both for 12.5% which is what is stated for the first year. Next year it should be 25%. Glenn > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, > but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:19:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08645 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21737 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01994 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F3.00536EA4 ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:11:18 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F3.00533BB3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:11:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess it wasn't a scam after all :) Yeah same here. When I got home yesterday, I found 3 issues in my mailbox (Dec., Jan. and Feb.) I never expected to receive anything. WooHoo! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:19:53 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08648 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990108152133.5586.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send104.yahoomail.com; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 07:21:33 PST Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I received a rebate check last early last month. It wasn't much but allowed me to supersize my lunch! Herb '94 Magna ---christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:21:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08718 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 304; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:31 -0500 Message-ID: <36962263.E8752A07@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:21:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question References: <852566F3.005230B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, not a penny, not yet. Haven't heard anything further either. Gilmore is off to a (unremarkable) start. I won't be happy until the PPT is G O N E!!! But that's just me. :) Dale (the Horkster, cheap bastard at large...) christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:34:34 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08928 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA16815; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:33:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from vna-va17-58.ix.netcom.com(207.223.179.250) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016791; Fri Jan 8 09:33:36 1999 Message-ID: <3697761A.98D79E98@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:30:35 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question References: <852566F3.005230B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received my rebate check for my bike and cage in December Ed 92 FJ1200 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:50:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09232 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22157 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02764 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:09 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F3.00563E9C ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:01 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F3.0055F6E3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:41:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have received nothing. But I pay so little tax for my old bikes that the refund amount would only amount to pennies. But I would be interested in finding out why other people have gotten a refund and I have not. Steve Beck Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:52:15 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09253 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYFX8CKV; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valley Cycle Message-ID: <19990108.105413.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <011101be3ab0$cd3af200$034937a6@default> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:44:20 -0500 dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: >Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) We have a used XX here that I am just dying to demo. I'd never seen one up close until it came in. What a wicked-, evil-, nasty-, sinister-looking machine! I love it! I just wish my wife was taller, so I could buy it and we could both ride it. Oh well... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:52:22 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09255 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYFX8CFX; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: whee... fun ride. Message-ID: <19990108.105412.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901081225.HAA05891@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-5,7-8,19-21 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:25:12 -0800 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >Ok, so I only made it like .3 of a mile total.. and it was slick..very slick, so slick I could >n't accelerate up the hill outside my home on my lethargic XT250 without spinning >the tire.. but it was fun sliding it all over the place till I crashed.. :P Hope you weren't hurt and that your XT wasn't damaged. Reminds me of a story. (doesn't everything?) An old guy (77 years young) came in several months ago and bought a new Vulcan 500 to commute on. Said he'd had about 30 or 40 bikes over his lifetime, including a '47 Indian (which he bought new). He told me a story of commuting on a 50cc minibike on icy roads up in Wisconsin or somewhere. He said it would be too slippery to walk without falling down, yet he could ride his little bike with no trouble. He'd leave his feet down on both sides like outriggers and buzz around happily. He said he wore a long coat to stay warm and the coat almost completely covered the bike when he sat on it and even dragged its edges on the ground. Must have been quite a sight to see him cruising along over icy roads like a one-man hovercraft... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:31:37 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09894 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-127.s127.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.127]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23412 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3696359F.AF2DFF7A@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:43:11 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: yahoo chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey all.... While I sit here (working from home) and watching the snow fall and listening to an Alan jackson CD, I'm logged into the chat thingy on yahoo....so if anyone else wants to BS part of the day away, you can find me at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Some firewalls won't like the java chat, others don't mind it...depends on how you're set up. If I don't answer immediatley, it's because I'm actually doing a tad bit of work in a different window... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:43:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10083 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA28181; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:37 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990108164221.DZLH8311@toddnt>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:21 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be3b25$d51bf300$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36962263.E8752A07@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal I got mine; car, three bikes. Totalled about $60 refunded mostly because, like the Horkster, I'm a cheap bastard and refuse to buy a new vehicle. God, the tax on those $30k vehicles are enormous! Tax on my hunk-a-junk chevy, $140 last year :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:21 AM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question > > > Nope, not a penny, not yet. Haven't heard anything further > either. > > Gilmore is off to a (unremarkable) start. I won't be happy > until the PPT is G O N E!!! But that's just me. :) > > Dale (the Horkster, cheap bastard at large...) > > christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back > about this, but > > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:43:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10086 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22823 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04635 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29761; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:39 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990108164223.DZLL8311@toddnt>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:23 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be3b25$d62c0370$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <852566F3.0055F6E3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Importance: Normal This is interesting. I paid $6.09 in tax for the shadow I had last year. The refund was 100% ! Todd > > I have received nothing. But I pay so little tax for my old > bikes that the > refund amount would only amount to pennies. But I would be interested in > finding out why other people have gotten a refund and I have not. > > Steve Beck > > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about > this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:42:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10081 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA03822; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:39:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990108164220.DZKX8311@toddnt>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:20 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be3b25$d43feae0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36962263.E8752A07@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal What's a PPT? I'm sure it's how I feel about our lecherous leader in chief. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:21 AM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question > > > Nope, not a penny, not yet. Haven't heard anything further > either. > > Gilmore is off to a (unremarkable) start. I won't be happy > until the PPT is G O N E!!! But that's just me. :) > > Dale (the Horkster, cheap bastard at large...) > > christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back > about this, but > > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 12:05:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10544 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23218 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA05270 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA20926; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:07:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019893; Fri, 8 Jan 99 12:05:23 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5900GF13GMR0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F3.005D9CF8 ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:02:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:01:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F3.005D5C66.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL OK. so a follow up question ... anyone know whom to call to follow up on this? I assume that it would be the county (city) treasurer's office? --chris From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Date: 01/08/99 03:41:52 PM GMT Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question I have received nothing. But I pay so little tax for my old bikes that the refund amount would only amount to pennies. But I would be interested in finding out why other people have gotten a refund and I have not. Steve Beck ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 12:33:44 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11035 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 196; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3696416C.506ED99D@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:33:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question References: <000501be3b25$d43feae0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My abbreviation for Personal Property Tax. I'll be glad when it's gone. Enough with this "refund" bullcrap. Dale Todd Peer wrote: > > What's a PPT? I'm sure it's how I feel about our lecherous leader in chief. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 12:42:26 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11216 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-39-127.s127.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.127]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12140 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:42:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990108125431.013b10f8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:54:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: magazine url: FW: Another Bonus from Erebuni Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jon and others, Here's the url for the free motorcyclist subscription. If you follow the links through the website, you'll find they have the same offer for motortrend magazine as well. As Steve mentioned, 3 issues of each were waiting in the mail yesterday... Collin >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX [SMTP:ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX] >>> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 1998 12:34 PM >>> Subject: Another Bonus from Erebuni >>> >>> Dear Loyal Visitor, >>> >>> At Erebuni, we really appreciate your involvement with our site, and are >>> delighted you've taken advantage of our Motor Trend Magazine Bonus.... >>> >>> We've now arranged for you to receive a FREE one year (12 issues), fully >>> paid >>> subscription to Motorcyclist Magazine. 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Please continue to visit our >>> site, >>> and enjoy the magazine! >>> >>> Your friends @ Erebuni >>> http://www.erebuni.net >>> >>> >>> >> _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:02:49 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11577 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt (207-172-119-161.s161.tnt2.brd.erols.com [207.172.119.161]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08163; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:02:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081802.NAA08163@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: , Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:04:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received my checks last month. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle $$$ question > Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:00 AM > > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:08:06 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11684 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for meretrix.com!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Fri Jan 8 10:59 CST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA04888 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:59:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3AFE.4956C4C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:59:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone cares... The January 10th York, Pa meet is by J & P promotions and is a Harley meet. The January 17th York, Pa meet is a Will Stoner meet, British and European. Jan. 30-31 Custom Motorcycle Show, open to the public, by J & J Enterprises (904) 252-3101 Capital Expo Center, Chantilly. This last one looks (from the ad I saw) like it will be a Harley type meet as well. I will probably go to the 1-17 meet and hunt for some parts, and I may go to the Chantilly one, just because it's so close to the house. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX >Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 EST >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** > >My bike is hibernating and so is it's rider. But that doesn't mean there >isn't stuff happening around town. Thanks to many of you, we'll all have the >benefit of the following events: > >30,000 SQUARE FOOT SWAP MEET! >Sunday, January 10 >York Fairgrounds in York, PA >10-4, $6 Admission >East Wing of Memorial Hall, 334 Carlisle Ave., York, PA > >INTERNATIONAL BIKE SHOW >February 12-14 >Baltimore Convention Center >12th-6pm til midnight, 13th-10am til 10pm, 14th-10am til 6pm >ABATE & AMA Members receive a $1 discount >New ATV dealers & displays, stock & custom accesories, custom bike show with >13 classes, antique & vintage bikes to check out too! >For more info 301.808.2233 > >DAYTONA BIKE WEEK >February 26 thru March 7 (Not I! Still too cold!) > >NOTEABLE URLs TO KEEP HANDY: >www.daytonachamber.com/98prize.htm >www.officialbikeweek.com >www.ama-cycle.org > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:13:27 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11810 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zygPH-0003Fv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:11 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA09949 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14757 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081813.NAA14757@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:14 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > OK. so a follow up question ... anyone know whom to call to follow up on > this? I assume that it would be the county (city) treasurer's office? > > --chris Chris, you and I live in the same district. Maybe they are doing it district by district? I got mine yesterday for car and bike. Louis From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:49:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12422 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24488 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08265 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:49:45 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HWTTa04297 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:48:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60498bdd.36965312@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:48:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: whee... fun ride. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I rode in today too. Smack dab in the storm. It took me 20 mins to go less than a mile thru Old Town Alexandria. Any real power to the rear wheel spun it up and slid it out. Any real front brake pressure caused the front to lock up and slide (nearly crashing everytime), etc etc. Lots of fun.....I got about 3 different cagers giving me thumbs up signs. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 14:51:47 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13549 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA23591; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081949.OAA23591@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Valley Cycle To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990108.105413.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> from "Bikes R Us" at Jan 8, 99 10:51:52 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:44:20 -0500 dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: > >Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) > > We have a used XX here that I am just dying to demo. I'd never seen one > up close until it came in. What a wicked-, evil-, nasty-, > sinister-looking machine! I love it! I just wish my wife was taller, so I > could buy it and we could both ride it. Oh well... > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > John, I saw this bike yesterday after lunch. It is a nice XX with 4.5 kmiles, bridgestone on front and Macadam on rear... very clean. When weather will improve, give me a holler - you will take this one, I will take mine - and we will go for a ride... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 16:01:43 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14662 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYGHW67C; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:01:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Personal Property Tax info Message-ID: <19990108.152602.5223.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:01:26 EST The number to call in Fairfax County is 222-8234 and then sit on perma-hold until they pick up. If you own your car, you'll have to give your social security number. If you lease, you'll need the VIN, because it'll be listed under the leaseing company instead of you. Today is a tough day to call because they're a little understaffed due to the snow, but I eventually found out that the state allows them up to 100 days from when they received your payment to issue your refund. My Jeep wasn't paid until November, so I guess I have until April to wait for that money. My F150's payment is still in processing (?!) so it may be an eon before I see that money. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 18:17:06 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16695 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:17:04 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup12.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.12]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F5900ISGKNEYR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:16:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 18:16:59 -0500 Subject: Re: magazine url: FW: Another Bonus from Erebuni To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00c801be3b5c$ffd60a40$0c4937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Jon and others, > >Here's the url for the free motorcyclist subscription. If you follow the >links through the website, you'll find they have the same offer for >motortrend magazine as well. As Steve mentioned, 3 issues of each were >waiting in the mail yesterday... >Collin I just got 3 issues in the mail today, I guess I did subscribe. My memory is shot. I might have to go back for the motor trend, though....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 18:33:58 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16950 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QTGQa03539; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:29:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:29:26 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/7/99 10:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess it wasn't a scam after all :) >> Yeah, I started getting mine too. Got Dec, Jan and Feb all on Tuesday. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 18:38:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17040 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA27598 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15097 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust043.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.43]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15888; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:40:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990108233242.006ac2e8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 18:32:42 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Charging Systems At 08:21 AM 1/7/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > >I wondered how long I could leave my vest on when I'm riding in town with >my new(er) bike. So I started the bike, hooked up the vest, dialed it to >maximum and put a voltmeter across the battery. My bike, with a 400 watt >alternator (yay!) will put 13.2 volts to the battery at about 1600 rpm (and >more voltage at higher rpms, up to the voltage regulator limit). Anything >above 13.2 will charge the battery (6 cells at 2.2 volts each means a >12-volt battery is really a 13.2-volt battery). On one of the trips back from Omaha, I stopped in the IronButt motel and left the vest on to stay warm. One hour later, the bike still started. The next time I tried it though I must have slept longer; I had to push start the bike, but then the battery charged right up so there wasn't any harm done. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 19:01:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17466 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27817 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA15436 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.92]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 215; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: <36969CE8.6B856DDD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:03:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Charging Systems References: <1.5.4.32.19990108233242.006ac2e8@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another reason while bikes should still have kickstarters, right? :) Dale (too bad all the really cool bikes are so old...) Leon Begeman wrote: > > On one of the trips back from Omaha, I stopped in the IronButt motel and > left the vest on to stay warm. One hour later, the bike still started. The > next time I tried it though I must have slept longer; I had to push start > the bike Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 20:21:41 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18635 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA11976; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:20:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3696D9A1.2710@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:22:57 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gixer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Motorcyclist Mag (was Valley Cycle) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:12:59 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX CC: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valley Cycle > Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, > and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the > 996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but > hey.... > Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist > magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted > info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess > it wasn't a scam after all :) Hey Collin, didja get your three issues all at once like I did yesterday? Hey, its not MCN, but for free, it wasn't too bad. Kinda like those color pics too. JK From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 21:39:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19758 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29263 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17947 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29802 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA20890 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:34:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in the corner is good because it's less slippery than ice. Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. The route starts out easy, has a couple of technical spots, but no one should feel this ride is too tough. This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't about leaving the WSDY gang in the dust. This is about practicing one's riding technique under conditions that many riders don't. It's only a 34 mile route! If you average 10 miles per hour it'll take 3 1/2 hours to finish. Since 13 miles of the route is paved, and 4 miles can be avoided. I'm pretty sure that everyone can finish earlier than that. This isn't supposed to be intimidating. I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be back in time to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party. Start at McDonald's on Rt28 (new one with Play Place 1/2 mile south of 28/29 intersection.) >From Anita's Burger King on Rt 7: take 28 south, it's on the right just south of I-66 and Rt 29. >From Manassas: take 28 north, it's on the left across from Old Centerville Road. >From I66: take Exit 53, go south on 28, it's about 3/4 miles on the right. The Route: Odometer reading, Turn, On Road, and go this far, on a road that is 0, Left, North on 28, 1.1 miles, Paved 1.1, Left, West on Braddock Road (1st light north of I66), 11.7 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition few curves 12.8, Left, New Rd, 1.0 miles, Paved 13.8, Left, Mountain Rd, 3.7 miles, Paved 17.5, right, Take Ridge Rd up (then left) to the top of Bull Run Mountain, 2 miles, Mostly unpaved - tight switchbacks 19.5, Turn Around, Go back down the mountain on Ridge Road, 2 miles, Same road coming back down 21.5, right, Mountain Rd, 3 miles, Paved 24.5, right, Waterfall Rd, 1.2 miles, Paved 25.7, Right, Bull Run Mountain Road, 4.1 miles, Unpaved very rough 29.8, Right, Champe Ford Rd, 3.4 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition 33.2, Right, Rt 50, 0.8 miles, Paved 34, End, Aldie, End of ride. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 21:48:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19923 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29331 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18075 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA21072; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:50:42 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109024229.006b936c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:42:29 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Charging Systems Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" The ones that have automatic transmissions should. With a manual transmission, it isn't necessary. I rode my CX650 a couple of weeks once while I rebuilt the starter. Leon. At 07:03 PM 1/8/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Another reason while bikes should still have kickstarters, right? :) > >Dale (too bad all the really cool bikes are so old...) > >Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> On one of the trips back from Omaha, I stopped in the IronButt motel and >> left the vest on to stay warm. One hour later, the bike still started. The >> next time I tried it though I must have slept longer; I had to push start >> the bike > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 22:22:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20526 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29632 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18575 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29971 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.208]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 213; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3696CC08.272ECDB7@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:24:56 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday References: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I'll dust off the KZ400 for this run. Wonder how it'll handle with knobbie tires? :) Anyway, I don't think my little bro is riding it too much this time of year. He won't miss it much. ;) Leon Begeman wrote: > > Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in the corner is > good because it's less slippery than ice. > > Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on > pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. > http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html > > Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:12:45 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16564 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18206 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYJ2ZSRL; Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:38:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: From another list Message-ID: <19990109.123401.5031.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-32 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:38:27 EST I got this from another list I dropped in on for a few days. I laughed and left. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Paul G. Bifani" To: Jenny Ladd Cc: sbl@XXXXXX, Jerry Goodman Subject: Re: lifting a bike; dropping a bike Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:25:44 -0500 Jenny Ladd wrote: > Ooooo I hafta do this! :) > > "If your bike falls over in the woods, with nobody around to hear it, > do the trees snicker?" > > -jny Hi Jenny, Urm...I don't think so. Willows weep, pines whisper, sycamores sigh and chestnuts spread, but trees generally don't snicker. So you're safe. Paul Bifani --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:09 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16574 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08350 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29786 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:49:52 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.178]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990109165035.GEYC6156@toddnt> for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:50:35 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Are you one? Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:50:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be3bf0$21482a80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I can relate to at LEAST half of these... > YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BIKE FREAK WHEN... > > All your cars and trucks are parked outside because the garage is > full of bikes and parts. > > You think women are turned on by the sound of a bike starting. > > You have a collection of air filters (10) but only one fits your > current bike. > > Every shirt you own is cotton with something written on it. > > You think that dressing up means putting on a brand new t-shirt > and jeans. > > All your pants are stained with chain lube. > > You have more riding boots than dress shoes. > > You have three sets of tools - metric, regular and those goofy > British things. > > Sunday is set aside for riding instead of watching sports on TV. > > When your bike makes a funny ticking noise, you know right away > what it is without even looking. > > You can tell what bike it is just by hearing the exhaust. > > Someday you would like to find your first bike and restore it. > > Your bike is worth more than your car or truck. > > You shudder when you see some body tighten spokes with a cresent > wrench. > > The sides of your tires are worn more than the center. > > You know how and when to use your front brake. > > The only Springsteen you know rides Flat Track. > > You wash your parts in old gasoline even though it's about as safe > as sorting out live rattle snakes. > > Almost nothing on your new bike is stock and almost everything on > your vintage bike is. > > When your Income Tax comes in you start thinking about buying bike > parts. > > Even though it's 20 degrees and snowing, you walk past the cage to > get the bike for the commute to work. > > Fred Z. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16576 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08624 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07349 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25969 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08972 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA27571; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:47:55 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.178]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990109165030.GEYB6156@toddnt>; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:50:30 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Leon Begeman" , Subject: RE: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:50:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3bf0$1e3237f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> Importance: Normal As long as it's not raining/sleeting/icing, I'll be there. A little snow I can tolerate. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:34 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Route for SuperBowl Sunday > > > Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in > the corner is > good because it's less slippery than ice. > > Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on > pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. > http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html > > Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. The > route starts > out easy, has a couple of technical spots, but no one should feel > this ride > is too tough. This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't > about leaving the WSDY gang in the dust. This is about practicing one's > riding technique under conditions that many riders don't. It's only a 34 > mile route! If you average 10 miles per hour it'll take 3 1/2 hours to > finish. Since 13 miles of the route is paved, and 4 miles can be avoided. > I'm pretty sure that everyone can finish earlier than that. This isn't > supposed to be intimidating. > > I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be > back in time > to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party. > > Start at McDonald's on Rt28 (new one with Play Place 1/2 mile > south of 28/29 > intersection.) > > >From Anita's Burger King on Rt 7: take 28 south, it's on the right just > south of I-66 and Rt 29. > > >From Manassas: take 28 north, it's on the left across from Old > Centerville > Road. > > >From I66: take Exit 53, go south on 28, it's about 3/4 miles on > the right. > > The Route: > Odometer reading, Turn, On Road, and go this far, on a road that is > 0, Left, North on 28, 1.1 miles, Paved > 1.1, Left, West on Braddock Road (1st light north of I66), 11.7 miles, > Mostly unpaved - good condition few curves > 12.8, Left, New Rd, 1.0 miles, Paved > 13.8, Left, Mountain Rd, 3.7 miles, Paved > 17.5, right, Take Ridge Rd up (then left) to the top of Bull Run > Mountain, 2 > miles, Mostly unpaved - tight switchbacks > 19.5, Turn Around, Go back down the mountain on Ridge Road, 2 miles, Same > road coming back down > 21.5, right, Mountain Rd, 3 miles, Paved > 24.5, right, Waterfall Rd, 1.2 miles, Paved > 25.7, Right, Bull Run Mountain Road, 4.1 miles, Unpaved very rough > 29.8, Right, Champe Ford Rd, 3.4 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition > 33.2, Right, Rt 50, 0.8 miles, Paved > 34, End, Aldie, End of ride. > > > Leon Begeman > Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 > Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16585 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07559 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07188 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25820 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08933 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust035.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.35]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04120; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:34:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109162629.006be66c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:26:29 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:02 AM 1/9/99 EST, Bikes R Us wrote: > >This sounds like a cool ride to test yourself on, but what does "WSDY" >stand for? The West Side Double Yellow gang are the 'faster' sport bike riders on this list. I thought I was a pretty good rider until I went out with those guys. I wasn't used to getting left behind in the curves, now I am again. Leon. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16594 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07367 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07114 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25723 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08908 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-102.s39.as2.war.erols.com [207.172.109.102]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00135 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901091623.LAA00135@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: stolen VFR Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:28:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sending this along from the VFR list just in case any of you see or hear of this bike...the bike was stolen from Canada: In a message dated 1/9/99 2:48:46 AM, Lorne wrote: << Hello boys 'n girls, It is with a sad, and rather angry heart that I report the disappearance of JH2RC4622WM000010. Last seen by me Sunday afternoon, there was only an empty space when I got home this evening. No doubt it's long gone from this town. With any luck it's en route to Texas or Florida, so if any of y'all down south see a red '98 VFR with white wheels, VFR750 bars, a Yoshimurs RS3 stainless can, and some neat fork preload adjusters, shoot the prick then kick his corpse.>> Danny '96 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16597 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07473 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07135 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25740 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08914 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust035.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.35]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03949; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:28:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109162024.006bb50c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:20:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:24 PM 1/8/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >I think I'll dust off the KZ400 for this run. Wonder how it'll >handle with knobbie tires? :) Ok. Since you won't be using the Connie that day, can I ride it? I haven't had a chance to try it yet. At 10:22 AM 1/9/99 -0500, D. Thompson wrote: >When you say this is not a dual sport ride, do you expect me to bring my >VFR? or maybe I don't understand. I would think my DR 350 dual sport bike >would be the better bike to ride for this route. I'll be riding my Ninja 250 unless Horkster lets me borrow his Connie. The purpose here is to get more comfortable off-pavement with bikes that should be on pavement. These are dirt roads, so expect to get a couple of rock chips and a bunch of dirt. If you don't want to put the VFR though that, then take the DR. > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16610 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06303 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06902 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25556 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08862 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYJJ7N56; Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:02:02 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Message-ID: <19990109.100544.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:02:02 EST On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:34:04 -0500 Leon Begeman writes: >This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't about leaving the WSDY gang in >the dust. This is about practicing one's riding technique under conditions that many >riders don't. This sounds like a cool ride to test yourself on, but what does "WSDY" stand for? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16622 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05393 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06714 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25355 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust035.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.35]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02663; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:39:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109153142.006b2a30@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:31:42 -0500 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: whee... fun ride. Way to go Jack! The only places I had any trouble at all were the last two blocks on the way in - there was some wet snow on the side streets in DC; and the last block coming home - the street hadn't been treated at all. I did get passed a lot more than normal though. Leon. At 01:48 PM 1/8/99 EST, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >I rode in today too. Smack dab in the storm. It took me 20 mins to go less >than a mile thru Old Town Alexandria. Any real power to the rear wheel spun >it up and slid it out. Any real front brake pressure caused the front to lock >up and slide (nearly crashing everytime), etc etc. Lots of fun.....I got >about 3 different cagers giving me thumbs up signs. > >Jack > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 10:49:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26664 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20138 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11487 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13398 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.24]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 397; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3698CC51.F47D80E3@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:50:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday References: <1.5.4.32.19990109162024.006bb50c@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > Ok. Since you won't be using the Connie that day, can I ride it? I > haven't had a chance to try it yet. Didn't say I wouldn't be using it, just that I wouldn't be riding it on the backroad route. Don't want BugSlayer to get jealous, I'll probably end up riding it to the party. :) > These are dirt roads, so expect to get a couple of rock > chips and a bunch of dirt. If you don't want to put the VFR though > that, then take the DR. You forgot to include the distinct possibility of an ice/snow induced low-side in addition to the rock chips and dirt. Plastic bikes don't crash well. If I'm gonna fart around with low traction roads, I'd rather do it on my cheap bike. :) Besides, this might be the one ride of the year where the little 400 can keep up with the pack. That doesn't happen often. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 10:50:57 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26741 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:50:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990110155220.2966.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.200.51.122] by send201.yahoomail.com; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:52:20 PST Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: BIKE WEEK 99 To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is anyone going to Bike Week this year? I'll be going on the last Wed of Feb to get to the Deland practice and races, and staying at least until the following Wed morning. Large truck with enclosed trailer with room for one or two passengers and bikes and gear, split driving and gas. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 18:42:24 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03930 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UVPDa03539 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:39:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:39:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: old town Alexandria Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I was in old town Alexandria last year, near the Torpedo Factory. There were a bunch of bikes in frot of a restaurant there. I was in the Fish Market, accross the street. What's going on? From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 19:51:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05014 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id TAA07859; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:53:17 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma007759; Sun, 10 Jan 99 19:52:22 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5D00C05EF0VF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F6.000488A7 ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:49:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:48:52 -0500 Subject: Re: old town Alexandria To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F6.00044843.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Folks usually meet there on Wednesday evenings in front of the torpedo factory at the intersection of Union and King. The restaurant across from the fish market is the Alamo. My SO and I used to go most every wed. Great bike parking for one of our favorite restaurants (Union St. Public House) right around the corner. Best crabcake sandwich in the area. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: STARAI@XXXXXX Date: 01/10/99 11:39:52 PM GMT Subject: old town Alexandria I was in old town Alexandria last year, near the Torpedo Factory. There were a bunch of bikes in frot of a restaurant there. I was in the Fish Market, accross the street. What's going on? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 20:50:16 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05894 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:50:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901110150.UAA05894@meretrix.com> Received: from homeoffice-nt [204.194.180.106] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8D3B017C; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:50:11 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:49:05 -0500 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? In-Reply-To: <003501be3a52$83cafc40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <4.1.19990107082310.00fc0590@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:29 AM 1/7/99 -0500, George Howell wrote: >> Simple really, each letter stands for a more commonly known symbol. That >> symbol is " $ ". > >This from someone with a K11LT?? >;) Well, actually a K100LT ... that's 10 years old ... that has 85,000 miles on it. That's pretty much where my price range lies! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 21:00:05 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06080 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA19832; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:59:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369985D1.8CD@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:02:09 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "D. Thompson" Subject: stolen VFR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "D. Thompson" > I'm sending this along from the VFR list just in case any of you see or > hear of this bike...the bike was stolen from Canada: --> snip <-- > Danny > '96 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 I saw this too. Thanks for taking the time to post this. I hate thievery. Nice OT sig too. JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 22:42:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07546 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27030 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21044 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (207-172-182-237.s237.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.237]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 327 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:03 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990110223853.04873190@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:41:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Good Lord - The Tax Man Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just received my end of 1998 personal property tax on my 1991 Nighthawk. $217.09 for 5 months! That makes it $521 a year for an eight year old bike worth under $3000! Six tax payments and I could buy another one just like it..... Besides calling the Morons In Charge (r), any other tips? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 22:45:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07641 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27068 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21117 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (207-172-182-237.s237.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.237]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 363 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:19 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990110224223.04873f00@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:44:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 06:42:34 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15672 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:33 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zzfja-0003YO-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:14 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA20710; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25553; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901111142.GAA25553@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) To: mike@XXXXXX (Mike Troutman" ) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990110224223.04873f00@www.troutman.org> from "Mike Troutman" " at Jan 10, 99 10:44:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according > to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get > the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that > new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 07:06:40 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16047 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust025.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.25]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA25570; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:09:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990111120105.006aac08@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:01:05 -0500 To: Ray , DCCycles List From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: BIKE WEEK 99 Horkster and I are going. Current plan is to leave Thursday after work (4 March) take an easy trip down to attend the Iron Butt Assoc. Pizza party on Friday afternoon, visit some Kawasaki stuff on Saturday, and be home early enough to get some sleep before working Monday morning. Leon. At 07:52 AM 1/10/99 -0800, Ray wrote: >Is anyone going to Bike Week this year? >I'll be going on the last Wed of Feb to get to the Deland practice and >races, and staying at least until the following Wed morning. >Large truck with enclosed trailer with room for one or two passengers >and bikes and gear, split driving and gas. >Ray > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 07:37:31 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16529 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust025.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.25]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA26189; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:40:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990111123207.006c0b60@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:32:07 -0500 To: louis@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX (Mike Troutman" ) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) They reduced my taxes a couple of times. It seems that if the model isn't something they recognize, make a random stab at it. My Honda CX650 got assessed using a car book. At 06:42 AM 1/11/99 -0500, louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according >> to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get >> the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that >> new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... > >If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue >book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in >to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. >But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. > >Louis > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:09:43 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16992 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:09:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , louis@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:09:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I feel so sorry for you guys. The county has consistently assessed the value of my Magna at $40. It really sux paying a tax of less then $2. Its less then $20 for the tax and decal fee. Glenn > They reduced my taxes a couple of times. It seems that if the model isn't > something they recognize, make a random stab at it. My Honda CX650 got > assessed using a car book. > > > > At 06:42 AM 1/11/99 -0500, louis@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >> Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 > according > >> to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me > get > >> the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get > that > >> new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... > > > >If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue > >book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in > >to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. > >But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. > > > >Louis > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:21:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17219 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03183 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28871 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAB82F0027C; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111082023.00fca010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:28:15 -0500 To: "Mike Troutman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990110223853.04873190@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There's a mistake somewhere, seriously. VA personal property tax varies by city and county, but is usually about 5%. Your tax bill should be about $150/year. Perhaps they think your Honda is a car? Check the motorcycle value in the NADA book (at your local bank, or http://www.nadaguides.com/ValuesHome.html). Also, be sure you know exactly what period the tax is for (calendar years, fiscal years, and taxable years often don't match up). Keep copies of everything, be firm, friendly and polite on the phone, get the name of every person you talk to and what they say they'll do, follow up everything with a letter (and a Certificate of Mailing as a receipt), and let us know how it goes. Chris Norloff P.S. I just saw you other message and they MUST think your Honda is a car. The $11,400 valuation works out to $570/year tax at 5%/year, so that much dovetails. At 10:41 PM 1/10/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: >I just received my end of 1998 personal property tax on my 1991 Nighthawk. >$217.09 for 5 months! That makes it $521 a year for an eight year old bike >worth under $3000! Six tax payments and I could buy another one just like >it..... > >Besides calling the Morons In Charge (r), any other tips? > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:21:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17222 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03186 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28874 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA18878 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAB72F0027C; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:55 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111081604.00fdb930@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:16:51 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds good; I'll probably join you ... as long as there's plenty of sand. :-) Chris Norloff At 09:34 PM 1/8/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in the corner is >good because it's less slippery than ice. > >Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on >pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. >http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html > >Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. The route starts >out easy, has a couple of technical spots, but no one should feel this ride >is too tough. This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't >about leaving the WSDY gang in the dust. This is about practicing one's >riding technique under conditions that many riders don't. It's only a 34 >mile route! If you average 10 miles per hour it'll take 3 1/2 hours to >finish. Since 13 miles of the route is paved, and 4 miles can be avoided. >I'm pretty sure that everyone can finish earlier than that. This isn't >supposed to be intimidating. > >I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be back in time >to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party. > >Start at McDonald's on Rt28 (new one with Play Place 1/2 mile south of 28/29 >intersection.) > >>From Anita's Burger King on Rt 7: take 28 south, it's on the right just >south of I-66 and Rt 29. > >>From Manassas: take 28 north, it's on the left across from Old Centerville >Road. > >>From I66: take Exit 53, go south on 28, it's about 3/4 miles on the right. > >The Route: >Odometer reading, Turn, On Road, and go this far, on a road that is >0, Left, North on 28, 1.1 miles, Paved >1.1, Left, West on Braddock Road (1st light north of I66), 11.7 miles, >Mostly unpaved - good condition few curves >12.8, Left, New Rd, 1.0 miles, Paved >13.8, Left, Mountain Rd, 3.7 miles, Paved >17.5, right, Take Ridge Rd up (then left) to the top of Bull Run Mountain, 2 >miles, Mostly unpaved - tight switchbacks >19.5, Turn Around, Go back down the mountain on Ridge Road, 2 miles, Same >road coming back down >21.5, right, Mountain Rd, 3 miles, Paved >24.5, right, Waterfall Rd, 1.2 miles, Paved >25.7, Right, Bull Run Mountain Road, 4.1 miles, Unpaved very rough >29.8, Right, Champe Ford Rd, 3.4 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition >33.2, Right, Rt 50, 0.8 miles, Paved >34, End, Aldie, End of ride. > > >Leon Begeman >Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 >Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:24:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17248 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03525 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC87D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:25:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From the peanut gallery: I feel sorry for you guys too! What's a personal property tax??? :) he he he Sorry, couldn't resist. Collin On Monday, January 11, 1999 8:18 AM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: > I feel so sorry for you guys. The county has consistently assessed the > value of my Magna at $40. It really sux paying a tax of less then $2. Its > less then $20 for the tax and decal fee. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:49:16 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17646 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA15751 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:47:37 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:47:37 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:49:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I feel sorry for you guys too! What's a personal property tax??? :) he he >he Sorry, couldn't resist. >Collin Some day, sonny, you'll be out from behind the Soldier's and Sailor's Relief Act and join the rest of us... Michael (spent 20 years there, myself) J. Alternate Signature: Michael (Taxes suck!) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 09:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18411 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ALZBa04796; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19e0d4ea.369a0c62@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:36:18 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BIKE WEEK 99 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 I'll be leaving for Bike Week on March 4th and returning the 8th. Seeing my bike in the office parking lot inspired my (former) boss to get himself one. He's heading off to Daytona, and he decided to take me with him - no argument here. - matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 09:39:48 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18433 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:39:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990111144120.4312.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:41:20 PST Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Personal Property Tax is brought to you by those great folks who invented State Income Tax. We thought ahead, we're the only state in the country where income tax is forbidden by the constitution. Ray "Florida tag NAT1VE" Lucas (also FL tags DUCAT1 and TR1UMPH for all you tag watchers) ---"Fagan, Collin LT" wrote: > > From the peanut gallery: > > I feel sorry for you guys too! What's a personal property tax??? :) he he > he Sorry, couldn't resist. > Collin > > On Monday, January 11, 1999 8:18 AM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN > [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: > > I feel so sorry for you guys. The county has consistently assessed the > > value of my Magna at $40. It really sux paying a tax of less then $2. > Its > > less then $20 for the tax and decal fee. > > > > Glenn > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:21:02 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19188 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA06701 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:19:35 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990111152021.LXDS1406@toddnt> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:20:21 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be3d75$dbb7db00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > > looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at > http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html > Talk about scrapping pegs.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:38:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19443 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04965 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03169 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09875; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:35:03 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990111153743.MAOI1406@toddnt>; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:37:43 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be3d78$48de9870$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990110223853.04873190@www.troutman.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Something is way wrong dude. I only pay around $60 (with the FFax sticker) for my 1992 Nighthawk. T > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1999 10:42 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Good Lord - The Tax Man > > > I just received my end of 1998 personal property tax on my 1991 Nighthawk. > $217.09 for 5 months! That makes it $521 a year for an eight > year old bike > worth under $3000! Six tax payments and I could buy another one just like > it..... > > Besides calling the Morons In Charge (r), any other tips? > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:45:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19597 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05017 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03376 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0YDDa25631 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:44:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:44:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: old town Alexandria Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 On some days of the week the bikers meet in Old Towne just to BS about bikes. Unfortunately its mostly Harleys and such for us sportbikers. Jack PS- its usually thursday nights From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:46:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19607 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACA64EC0264; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:53:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. It was made of heavy black cordura cloth. The tag said "Potomac Canvas Company", Woodbridge, VA. I got their phone no. from the book (703-670-2265) and talked with "Dave" this morning. They make two classes of lap blankets for the police Harley FLHTP models with crash bars (the crash bars are required to keep the lap blanket away from the hot engine). The lap blankets (they call them lap robes) will fit any FLH with crash bars. They sell the lap blankets to about 8 local police depts and have shipped as far as Breezewood, PA. The lap blankets are not meant for sustained high-speed riding, because to thoroughly strap them down to eliminate flapping would trap the rider with the bike in a wreck. He said that occasional highway speed riding would not be a problem. There have been problems with engine overheating in parades, due to lack of airflow. These problems were worse with the fuel-injected (FI) Harleys because the FI would continue to lean out the mixture as the engine got hot, until the engine seized. Harley added a fan to the left side of the engine (opposite the intake on the right). In addition, Dave said Harley increased the cooling fins by 50%. Metro style ($425) Attaches with straps and buckles. Single layer that covers the riders lap and legs. Park Police style ($525) Attaches with 4 in. wide velcro. Double layer that the rider puts his legs into (inner layer has soft liner and contacts the bike, riders legs go between the inner and outer layers). Includes crash guard covers for some weather protection before the lap blanket is installed. New style (no price) "Light years" ahead of the previous models, according to the police depts. who have tried them. Custom ($1,000) - they'll make one for your bike. The last one took two and a half days to design, so you're paying for their design time. With a limited market, it's unlikely they could amortize the price. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:47:40 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19619 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 04EE5369A1AF500F-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 04EE5369A1AF500F Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <04EE5369A1AF500F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles Subject: 1998 Honda F3's for dirt cheap Message-Id: <04EE5369A1AF500F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> If any one is interested in going to Michigan and getting a good deal on a brand new 98 F3, these guys actually have 3 of them in stock at the prices below. Yes, I called them and it is true. Don B >Just saw 2 '98 F3's at a small dealer in Michigan for $4995.00 ea >The dealer is Birch Run Motorsports and the number is 1-517-624-2160. I just >called them and they have 2 F3's left. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:59:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19818 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 351; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:58:42 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111105752.01b64070@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:58:17 -0500 To: louis@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <199901111142.GAA25553@shell.clark.net> References: <4.1.19990110224223.04873f00@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The NADA is around $2500. I'm on hold with FFX right now..... At 06:42 AM 1/11/99 , louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according >> to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get >> the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that >> new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... > >If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue >book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in >to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. >But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. > >Louis ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:07:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20024 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05319 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04188 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 360 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:06:42 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111110530.019a2f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:06:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: $19,000 or $1,900? Tax Solution Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When they entered the purchase of my bike they entered a cost of $19,000 instead of $1,900. New tax - $21.71 :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:12:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20138 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A2DE7DC04B2; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:12:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111110114.00fc2540@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:01:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: curves?? In-Reply-To: <000801be3d75$dbb7db00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote: >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... Whew! That's a keeper. So, when do we leave? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:21:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20315 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05537 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04622 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 100; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: <369A2506.3D0F8511@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: $19,000 or $1,900? Tax Solution References: <4.1.19990111110530.019a2f10@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe they thought you has "customized" it with a few chrome add-ons and were trying to re-sell it at that price - oops sorry, wrong brand....nevermind :) Glad you got it straightened out. ;) Dale (the Horkster) Mike Troutman wrote: > > When they entered the purchase of my bike they entered a cost of $19,000 > instead of $1,900. New tax - $21.71 :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:23:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20334 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 322 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:22:05 -0500 Message-ID: <369A2595.26AF0A8B@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:23:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: curves?? References: <4.1.19990111110114.00fc2540@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With out luck, we'd get there only to find out that it was unpaved! Yikes! = 8^0 Leon would still like it, though. :) Dale Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 10:20 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote: > >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at > >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html > >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... > > Whew! That's a keeper. > > So, when do we leave? > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 12:45:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21708 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA23677 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:44:03 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:44:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:45:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >With out luck, we'd get there only to find out that it >was unpaved! Yikes! = 8^0 Try Mount Washington in New Hampshire - a lot of the road is unpaved, though. I have a shot of an interesting road that I shot in the Alps - it winds down a cut in the mountainside and makes its turns in tunnels. If anyone wants to see a JPG - let me know and I will e-mail it to you (about 87K) - I don't want to post it to the group (bandwidth issues) unless the majority want to look at it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 12:52:20 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21819 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5ZNa015290; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e808a1f.369a3a2e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:51:42 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Lost Job - Seeking Clients! (NON MOTO) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm just going to throw this out there on the off chance .... My company SUDDENLY closed its doors on Dec 30 - for good. Putting me instantly out of work. I''ve been a graphic designer for the last six years or so and was Art Director at my last job. Decided to start my own business so I'm looking for clients who need print work. (I'm not yet a web designer - but I'll get there...) Please, if you know anyone looking for a design firm, please let me know so I can give them a call or a visit. (Let me know off-list) THANKS Marcy jinnsinn@XXXXXX Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 13:30:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22534 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A3282E90284; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:30:00 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111132447.00fe5b20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:30:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Seeking high-end Microsoft Programmer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, all. JIL Information Systems, Inc. (http://www.jil.com) the company I work for, is seeking one or two high end programmers for Microsoft software. Visual Basic, Microsoft Access, SQL Server, Active Server Pages, and Visual Interdev are examples. Emphasis will be on networking, adding to existing code, and developing new data-driven web applications with users all over the country. One job will be at our DC office in SW, near the Air & Space Museum, and one would be at the north end of Crystal City, VA. The Crystal City office might require a military security clearance, the DC job would not. Not sure of more details, like salary, but let me know of your interest and qualifications. thanks, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 13:40:43 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22699 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26579 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:40:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199901111840.NAA26579@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:38:53 -0500 Subject: Last Call - NYC Bus Trip Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Just a few short days until the trip (Saturday 1/16)... I have a couple extra tickets if anyone is interested! Drop me a line for more info! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 13:48:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22860 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07671 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10873 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF2@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Woodward, Jennifer" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 14:26:05 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23496 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:25:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:25:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) That is impressive but don't have an accident as it will most likely be your last accident. Glenn > > > > looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at > > http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html > > Talk about scrapping pegs.... > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 15:27:06 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24505 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYP64MZK; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:26:06 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Message-ID: <19990111.140838.4511.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3,5,7-8,10-11,15-17 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:26:06 EST On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:53:14 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask >about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. It was made of heavy >black cordura cloth. The tag said "Potomac Canvas Company", Woodbridge, VA. > >I got their phone no. from the book (703-670-2265) and talked with "Dave" this >morning. WOW! Everything I ever wanted to know about the blankets, but was afraid to ask! At those prices, I'm surprised they didn't charge you for the interview! Then again, if the blankets WORK, the price is probably reasonable... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 15:51:49 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24988 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:48:22 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01be3da4$7f27d3c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990111.140838.4511.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal Let's not forget that these folks are used to dealing with not only Harley riders, but Gov't Harley riders. Two groups not known for seeking out a bargain. Put 'em together, and I'd call those blankets cheap. While I haven't seen 'em up close, I'd have to say they're a serious rip-off. $1000 for 2.5 days work from a seamstress? Give me a break. Do you have any idea how man man-hours of work you could get in an NYC sweatshop for $1000?? It's a blanket. Not rocket science. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > WOW! Everything I ever wanted to know about the blankets, but was afraid > to ask! At those prices, I'm surprised they didn't charge you for the > interview! Then again, if the blankets WORK, the price is probably > reasonable... > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:04:09 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25142 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 347; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:03:24 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111160220.0197f690@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:03:21 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Seeking high-end Microsoft Programmer In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990111132447.00fe5b20@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Uh oh. You used the words "High End" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:09:27 1999 Return-Path: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25247 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Woodward, Jennifer" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. -Jennifer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:23:59 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25510 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYQABF9J; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Calling Chris Weaver Message-ID: <19990111.150457.4511.4.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28-33,35-37 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:16 EST Sorry to spam everyone else, but I'm trying to resond to Chris Weaver's questions from earlier today. Chris, trying to reply to you, I received the following message: ----------------------------------------begin message I received Delivery Failure Report Your Re: Valley Cycle document: was not Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US delivered to : because: User Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US not listed in public Name & Address Book Tampa-TSS-Gate6, Tampa-TSS-Gate6, USDomino071/Price Waterhouse, INTLNAMMAIL01/US/INTL, INTLNAMSMTP10/US/INTL -------------------------------------------end message I received Please give me an email address where I can reach you and I can answer your questions. Thanks. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:26:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25562 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zzorA-0002yg-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:40 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFC18@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Woodward, Jennifer'" , "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Jennifer! Nice to have another woman on the list. I started riding last August and my first bike was an '85 VF500 Interceptor. I loved it! Welcome to the list! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Woodward, Jennifer [SMTP:JWOODWARD@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 4:09 PM > To: 'DCC' > Subject: Hello > > Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me > here, as > I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to > purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months > and > start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > > -Jennifer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:27:27 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25628 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 356; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111162542.019690d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:47 -0500 To: "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, you will find it to be a very supportive bunch. I will leave the geezer reference to the imagination. At 04:09 PM 1/11/99 , Woodward, Jennifer wrote: >Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as >I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to >purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and >start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > >-Jennifer ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:39:21 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25834 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA12190; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:36:00 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990111213841.OKQT1406@toddnt>; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:38:41 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be3daa$b404f130$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hmmmm, imf.org. Who could it be that pointed an obvious innocent in the direction of DC-Cycles evil...hmmm. Welcome Jennifer. If you've got something to contribute, please do so or you risk lurkerdom, an even scarier place than the internet! imf, imf, who is that imf!? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Woodward, Jennifer [mailto:JWOODWARD@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 4:09 PM > To: 'DCC' > Subject: Hello > > > Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed > me here, as > I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to > purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and > start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > > -Jennifer > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26034 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:46:24 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:46:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P Running and hiding.. *grin* Brian > -----Original Message----- > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, > you will find it > to be a very supportive bunch. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:05:31 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26391 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 307; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: <369A75A0.2CD40EF@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:05:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Mike Troutman , "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <4.1.19990111162542.019690d0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Troutman wrote: > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, you will > find it to be a very supportive bunch. Hey Todd! Did you hear this? MT is talking smack about you on the list! By the way, I don't think you are cantankerous (most of the time!) (Heh!) ;) Gotta enjoy the last remaining days of my youthful 20's while I can, don't you know? :) And to the newbie, Jennifer, Oh yeah, almost forgot, welcome to the list! You'll find a sense of humor goes a long way around here. :) Regards, Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:10:31 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26416 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 364; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:08:29 -0500 Message-ID: <369A76C4.B32DFA64@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until I hit 30. Don't rush me. I've got 19 days left! Dale (the Horkster, 29 and holding.... :-) McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of > how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old > farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:10:37 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26422 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-56.s56.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.56]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05773 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:09:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369A790D.10E21646@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:19:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright now..I didn't think 26 was exactly over the hill.... I was the one rumbling about getting teh wheel off a shaftie :) Get rid of that lawn mower powered race bike of yours and find a big bore bike and come play in the real race classes with us "old" men :) he he he Collin McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of > how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old > farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P > > Running and hiding.. *grin* > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, > > you will find it > > to be a very supportive bunch. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:19:42 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26597 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-56.s56.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.56]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12042; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:19:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369A7B8B.3658F776@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:30:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <001e01be3daa$b404f130$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From my "never gets deleted" trash folder, the only imf.org that pops up other than Jennifer, is Robert Tobias. I show 4 posts from him back in September regarding someones parking ticket :) Collin (showing how bad a packrat he is!!) Todd Peer wrote: > > Hmmmm, imf.org. Who could it be that pointed an obvious innocent in the > direction of DC-Cycles evil...hmmm. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:30:13 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26895 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:30:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112230.RAA26895@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:30:07 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:30:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) MOPED.. not a lawnmower... right Jack? > -----Original Message----- > Get rid of that lawn mower powered race bike of yours and find a big > bore bike and come play in the real race classes with us > "old" men :) he > he he From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:57:11 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27297 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25803; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112256.RAA25803@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy, Brian NAB02) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> from "McCoy, Brian NAB02" at Jan 11, 99 01:46:13 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of > how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old > farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P > > > Running and hiding.. *grin* > Oh... So finally I knonw who is thos person riding without permit (beeing way to young to be legally allowed to ride). Well, brian, have you drink your milk today ? :-) > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, > > you will find it > > to be a very supportive bunch. > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:58:04 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27318 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:58:01 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25813; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:57:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112257.RAA25813@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: gixer@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:57:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <369A7B8B.3658F776@geocities.com> from "Collin T. Fagan" at Jan 11, 99 05:30:35 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > >From my "never gets deleted" trash folder, the only imf.org that pops up > other than Jennifer, is Robert Tobias. > I show 4 posts from him back in September regarding someones parking > ticket :) > > Collin > (showing how bad a packrat he is!!) > > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > > Hmmmm, imf.org. Who could it be that pointed an obvious innocent in the > > direction of DC-Cycles evil...hmmm. > Registrant: International Monetary Fund (IMF-DOM) 700 19th Street, NW Washington, DC 20431 Domain Name: IMF.ORG Administrative Contact: Handelman, Michael (MH8027) mhandelman@XXXXXX 202-623-7132 (FAX) 202-623-5874 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: IMF Unix System Administration (IUS2-ORG) UnixAdmin@XXXXXX (202) 623-4119 Billing Contact: Wheelon, Susan (SW1569) swheelon@XXXXXX (202) 623-4379 (FAX) (202) 623-7293 Record last updated on 03-Mar-98. Record created on 13-Oct-93. Database last updated on 11-Jan-99 04:33:26 EST. Domain servers in listed order: IMFAIX4S.IMF.ORG 134.113.2.11 IMFAIX5S.IMF.ORG 134.113.4.11 -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:00:51 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27398 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:00:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112300.SAA27398@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:00:43 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: winter ramblings.. Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:00:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) what.. what.. huh.. huh.. I've been legal for at LEAST 1/3rd of my riding career..:) I think I got my license back in last (1997) May or so.. after nearly 15,000 miles of on-bike time.. and several tickets.. opps.. :) Guess wisdom comes with age.. (and senility too I hear).. yummy.. milk.. almost hit a gallon of it in the middle of the beltway this morning.. wonder if it was frozen.... > Oh... So finally I knonw who is thos person riding without permit > (beeing way to young to be legally allowed to ride). > > Well, brian, have you drink your milk today ? > > :-) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:30:29 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27949 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYQHMGJK; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:30:04 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <19990111.162253.4511.5.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> <369A76C4.B32DFA64@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,12-16 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:30:04 EST On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:12 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until >I hit 30. Don't rush me. I've got 19 days left! > >Dale (the Horkster, 29 and holding.... :-) Oh, no. Age has nothing to do with it. You don't achieve "old fart" status until the day you decide that a ride on a motorcycle isn't worth the effort of hiking a leg over it. We'll all be okay for years to come. Take it easy, Dale. Sit down. Drop your dentures is some Polident and take a Centrum Silver with a nice glass of delicious Metamucil... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. Hello to the newly licensed rider. Welcome to the list! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:33:44 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27961 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-53-201.s201.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01436 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <007301be3dba$bb76f7a0$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Welcome to the list. It's nice to have another member of the female persuasion here. If you have any questions, just ask away. After you sift through all the bull, there will probably be a good answer ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Woodward, Jennifer said: Greetings to all. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:46:04 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28204 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-53-201.s201.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10910 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:45:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007401be3dbc$755e1a80$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Being handy with a sewing machine, I would offer my services to anyone who would want some sort of lap blanket made. If we can figure out a design, we can work something out, and I can guarantee it will cost less than $1000. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Chris Norloff said: Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 19:35:32 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29110 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust031.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.31]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15145; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:36:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112002858.006cb828@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:28:58 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH At 10:53 AM 1/11/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > The lap blankets are not meant for sustained >high-speed riding, because to thoroughly strap them down to eliminate >flapping would trap the rider with the bike in a wreck. He said that >occasional highway speed riding would not be a problem. > I guess that explains why the one I built last winter flapped itself apart after only one trip to St. Louis. It was warm while it lasted though. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 19:42:20 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29189 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust031.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.31]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15297; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:43:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112003543.006c1e78@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:35:43 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: FW: curves?? Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track racing just as exciting as road racing? I rather like roads that aren't paved, because the same exciting things happen at lower speeds. Leon. At 11:23 AM 1/11/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >With out luck, we'd get there only to find out that it >was unpaved! Yikes! = 8^0 > >Leon would still like it, though. :) > >Dale > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> At 10:20 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote: >> >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at >> >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html >> >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... >> >> Whew! That's a keeper. >> >> So, when do we leave? >> >> Chris Norloff > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 20:02:49 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29562 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8MUWa19752; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:59:57 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:59:57 EST To: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/11/99 4:17:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, JWOODWARD@XXXXXX writes: << Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. -Jennifer >> GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE NUTS!!! ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7FWYa19752; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:08:01 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:08:01 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/11/99 5:22:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until I hit 30. Don't rush me. I've got 19 days left! Dale (the Horkster, 29 and holding.... :-) >> Just start doing like my mother. She doesn't celebrate birthdays anymore, she celebrates anniversaries. She celebrated the 21st anniversary of her 29th birthday this year. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 20:33:52 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00225 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:33:50 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SVPRa27768 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:19:46 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <382f5690.369aa332@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:19:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 What/Where/Who is imf.org? In a message dated 1/11/99 5:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: > > From my "never gets deleted" trash folder, the only imf.org that pops up > other than Jennifer, is Robert Tobias. > I show 4 posts from him back in September regarding someones parking > ticket :) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 20:58:50 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00704 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA29192; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:58:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009501be3dcf$2fcde5a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:59:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Not in this lifetime... I think I'd be pukin' quite nicely somewhere at about the halfway mark! -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: FW: curves?? > > > >> >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 21:22:35 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01116 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-38.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.38]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA11607; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:23:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901120223.VAA11607@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:05:13 -0500 To: "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome! Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer professional? Ever own a handgun? Just a few of the popular topics around here, though we do get around to a few motorcycle discussions, too, once in awhile. :) Cheers, MET At 04:09 PM 1/11/99 , Woodward, Jennifer wrote: >Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as >I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to >purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and >start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. >=20 > >-Jennifer > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 23:24:52 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03066 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA31428 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <035701be3de3$1cee4380$4110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: For Cruiser envy (closet and real) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:22:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Cruisers winking at you? Seems to be nitty gritty time -- the ultimate combination being a trip to the NYC Javits show this weekend accompanied by the latest issue of MC Cruiser with its (annual) "72 bikes! Complete 1999 Cruiser Buyer Guide". Nice paragraph rundowns on each of the new models and a spec/performance chart. Very comprehensive. Nothing like having the comparo facts under thumb while the floor fellow is touting the hottest thing since Evil's rocket bike. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 15 model years and still spunky Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:27:16 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10414 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA28934; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112112052.00699ef0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:20:52 -0500 To: "Linda Tanner" , "DC-CYCLES" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH At 06:45 PM 1/11/99 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: >Being handy with a sewing machine, I would offer my services to anyone who >would want some sort of lap blanket made. If we can figure out a design, we >can work something out, and I can guarantee it will cost less than $1000. Ok. Count me in. I want the 3rd one. I built one last year, it wasn't heavy enough. Can you sew through 4 layers of canvas and a half inch of batting? How does one put a 1/2"x1/8" strip of aluminum strap into the seams? How can a pair of 2ft aluminum straps be removed so it can be washed? If it doesn't go underneath the bike, then air gets in from the bottom, if it does go under the bike, then you can't put your feet down to stop, I opted for warm, I had to plan ahead to stop. I'll pay $500 for one that will last about 10,000 miles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:42:28 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10652 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Zbig, you are definitely a propeller head! Welcome to the list Jennifer. Glenn > Registrant: > International Monetary Fund (IMF-DOM) > 700 19th Street, NW > Washington, DC 20431 > > Domain Name: IMF.ORG > > Administrative Contact: > Handelman, Michael (MH8027) mhandelman@XXXXXX > 202-623-7132 (FAX) 202-623-5874 > Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > IMF Unix System Administration (IUS2-ORG) UnixAdmin@XXXXXX > (202) 623-4119 > Billing Contact: > Wheelon, Susan (SW1569) swheelon@XXXXXX > (202) 623-4379 (FAX) (202) 623-7293 > > Record last updated on 03-Mar-98. > Record created on 13-Oct-93. > Database last updated on 11-Jan-99 04:33:26 EST. > > Domain servers in listed order: > > IMFAIX4S.IMF.ORG 134.113.2.11 > IMFAIX5S.IMF.ORG 134.113.4.11 > > > > > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:44:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10680 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22808 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA02416 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA29197; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112113451.006b8b44@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:34:51 -0500 To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: FW: curves?? Didn't Chris mention that being the reason we were going to Jeannette's later in the evening? Aren't we all going to the board track SuperBowl party? Leon. At 11:41 PM 1/11/99 -0500, George Howell wrote: >For real excitement, let's bring back board track racing! Leon wrote: >> Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track >> racing just as exciting as road racing? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:45:37 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10752 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:45:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:45:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Speaking of football maybe Jeannette should fill Jennifer in on the latest DC Cycles party? Glenn > Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer > professional? Ever own a handgun? > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 07:09:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11102 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23066 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA03309 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:36:16 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Leon Begeman" Subject: RE: FW: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <006201be3de5$df513980$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990112003543.006c1e78@illuminet.net> Importance: Normal For real excitement, let's bring back board track racing! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track > racing just as exciting as road racing? I rather like roads that aren't > paved, because the same exciting things happen at lower speeds. > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 07:11:37 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11115 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990112121703.17229.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.121.100.100] by send204.yahoomail.com; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:17:03 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Hello To: "Mark E. Truelove" , "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Mark E. Truelove" wrote: > > > Welcome! > > Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer > professional? Ever own a handgun? > And Ray says: Handguns and football? Scary. I'm for whatever team Mark is for! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 07:25:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11350 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23183 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA03656 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:24:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990112122826.8072.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.121.100.100] by send206.yahoomail.com; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:28:26 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: FW: curves?? To: George Howell , DC Cycles Mailing List , Leon Begeman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While we're moving racing, let's move the Daytona 200 back to the beach/A1A route. Ray "forward into the past" Lucas ---George Howell wrote: > > For real excitement, let's bring back board track racing! > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > > > Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track > > racing just as exciting as road racing? I rather like roads that aren't > > paved, because the same exciting things happen at lower speeds. > > > > Leon. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12062 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E51D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:01 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112074948.018df4b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:50:19 -0500 To: "'DCC'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" JENNIFER! Chris Norloff At 04:09 PM 1/11/99 , Woodward, Jennifer wrote: >Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as >I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to >purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and >start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > >-Jennifer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12060 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E21D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:10:58 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:47:42 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990111.140838.4511.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask >>about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. It was made of >heavy black cordura cloth. The tag said "Potomac Canvas Company", >Woodbridge, VA. (703-670-2265) > > WOW! Everything I ever wanted to know about the blankets, but was afraid >to ask! At those prices, I'm surprised they didn't charge you for the >interview! Then again, if the blankets WORK, the price is probably >reasonable... >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us For the police officers, I bet the lap blankets are indispensable. They can't wear much warm clothing, I guess, especially on their legs (so they can run) and since they can be outside all day they could really get chilled. For commuters like myself, I'm not sure I'd pay $4-500 for a lap blanket. Now with my bike, it would probably take less of a lap blanket to do the job since I already have a full fairing. A lap blanket that added 10 inches to the sides of the fairing, came up and over the gas tank and back on my lap would probably be enough (especially with that hot BMW K engine!). Might be interesting to see what Potomac Canvas would charge for my bike. I'm sure there are other lap blanket manufacturers worldwide, especially in Northern Europe (and Sweden's Crystal New Year's rally). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:08 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12065 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E61D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112075236.018bdb40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:53:13 -0500 To: "Linda Tanner" , "DC-CYCLES" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH In-Reply-To: <007401be3dbc$755e1a80$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's a real possiblity! Does your sewing maching handle the heavy pack-cloth stuff (like cloth the weight of an Aerostich)? Chris Norloff At 06:45 PM 1/11/99 , Linda Tanner wrote: >Being handy with a sewing machine, I would offer my services to anyone who >would want some sort of lap blanket made. If we can figure out a design, we >can work something out, and I can guarantee it will cost less than $1000. > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > >Chris Norloff said: > > >Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask >about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:22 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12069 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E41D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:00 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112074848.018dce10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:49:20 -0500 To: "Mike Troutman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Seeking high-end Microsoft Programmer In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990111160220.0197f690@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <4.1.19990111132447.00fe5b20@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oops ... I should have said "experienced and highly-qualified". :-) Chris At 04:03 PM 1/11/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: >Uh oh. You used the words "High End" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence. > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >"Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, >but Democrats believe every day is April 15." > - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12071 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E71D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:59:28 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990112002858.006cb828@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 10:53 AM 1/11/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >> The lap blankets are not meant for sustained >>high-speed riding, because to thoroughly strap them down to eliminate >>flapping would trap the rider with the bike in a wreck. He said that >>occasional highway speed riding would not be a problem. >> >At 07:28 PM 1/11/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >I guess that explains why the one I built last winter flapped itself apart >after only one trip to St. Louis. It was warm while it lasted though. It seems there have to be a mix of flexibility for getting in and out of, and stiffness for staying put when riding. I'm wondering about using thin bungee material (aka "shock cord") and lightweight fiberglass poles (fishing poles or lightweight tent poles). The poles would hold the shape and push the cloth, the shock cord would pull the poles into place or be used inside a hem between two poles. So you could get in and out by pushing against the poles & shock cord. For high speed riding maybe you could pull the shock cord tighter and hook it. You could still get a foot down when needed, and the shock cord would just break to let you loose if you fell over. hmmm, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:16:13 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12265 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA05141 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:14:23 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:14:23 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:15:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until I hit 30. The farts add velocity - reaction mass, and all that... ;-) Michael (certified old fart) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:41:50 1999 Return-Path: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12656 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF8@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Woodward, Jennifer" To: "'DCC'" Subject: FW: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > Welcome! > > Thank you for all the warm responses. Lets see if I can answer everyone's > questions. > > First of all, it very well may have been Rob who directed me to the list. > I don't care for sports one whit. Sorry. (Although I mountian/trail bike, > hike, camp, lift weights and am all around pretty active) I'm in the > computer industry doing technical support and network administration, and > am partway through my MCSE. In my spare time I read a lot, make stained > glass projects (lamps, mostly), and play computer games, and spend lots of > time with my boyfriend, who has a 1986 Shadow 1100 and is looking to gt a > Valkyerie in the spring. The bike I've been eyeing for the past six months > is a 1999 all-black Shadow ACE 750, for which I would have to get a new > seat and bars (both are too wide), but being a newbie I think I ought to > get a smaller, used cruiser, maybe a Shadow VLX 600 or a Virago 535 (or a > 700 if I can find one) so I can get used to riding around before I get the > dream bike.The research I've done on these two bikes say they are good > motorcycles, but they're underpowered and not very torquey, (I suspect a > beginner like me won't be able to tell the difference) and I'd rather get > something I'll outgrow in a year that start out with something that is too > big for me to handle. (I'm a small, slight thing at 5'1 and 103lb) > I prefer Jennifer and get grumpy when called anything else. > I also have a tendency to lurk. > > Ta, > -J > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:58:20 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12988 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:58:17 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA26393; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:58:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901121358.IAA26393@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: FW: Hello To: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX (Woodward, Jennifer) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:58:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF8@mlnt1s.imf.org> from "Woodward, Jennifer" at Jan 12, 99 08:41:52 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Welcome! > > > > Thank you for all the warm responses. Lets see if I can answer everyone's > > questions. > > /.../ > > I also have a tendency to lurk. Yeah, right.... :-) > > > > Ta, > > -J > > > > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:08:48 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13173 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06236 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:08:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199901121408.JAA06236@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:07:09 -0500 Subject: NYC Moto Show Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I was checking out the NYC motorcycle show website: http://www.motorcycleshows.com and found a list of exhibitors for the NYC show: http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ny_exhibitors.cfm This is going to be great! :-) Also, you can enter online to win an SV650 (or is it 600?) and a Toyota Tundra pickup truck. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:29:04 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13533 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA30291; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:27:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990112142729.QKUG5654@toddnt>; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:27:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "Mike Troutman" , "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:27:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3e37$9fc713a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <369A75A0.2CD40EF@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, you will > > find it to be a very supportive bunch. > > Hey Todd! > > Did you hear this? MT is talking smack about you on the list! > > By the way, I don't think you are cantankerous (most of the time!) > (Heh!) ;) > Heh! Indeed! I was going to qualify Mikes statements but decided to let it go to youthful indiscretion. Besides, without the wisdom of their elders, young'ns like Mike would be paying well over $1000 in PPT on bikes only worth around $2900. Someones gotta shepard the herd. ;) > Gotta enjoy the last remaining days of my youthful 20's while > I can, don't you know? :) He, he, he. Wait til you're actually 30. Then you start looking at 40+ year olds as the 'real' geezers. I'm sure it's the same when you touch 40. :) Todd (geezing in mind and body. Wanta go RIDE?) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:36:55 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13703 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-25.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.25]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21929; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901121438.JAA21929@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:17:45 -0500 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Hello In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was hoping so. :) MET At 06:45 AM 1/12/99 , Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Speaking of football maybe Jeannette should fill Jennifer in on the latest >DC Cycles party? > >Glenn > > >> Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer >> professional? Ever own a handgun? >>=20 >>=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:39:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13725 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24520 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06374 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:39:29 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EWAFa18626 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:38:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <365682f4.369b5e7a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:38:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello - 125/ GP racing game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 1/11/99 5:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << MOPED.. not a lawnmower... right Jack? >> Yeah, thats the one...or is it a weedwhacker? On a side note, I downloaded a cool GP bike racing game (its a playable demo). Its available at www.3dfiles.com. Search around, the games name is Grand Prix 500cc. Very cool game and very realistic. You race a 125 in the demo. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:48:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13915 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0B7640358; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:48:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112095453.018e55e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:55:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Lap Robes on web Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Potomac Canvas has a website http://www.potomacmarine.com/canvas.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:50:52 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14004 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 183; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:49:05 -0500 Message-ID: <369B6145.A3BD6CB@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:50:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <19990112121703.17229.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > And Ray says: > Handguns and football? Scary. I'm for whatever team Mark is for! Aw, c'mon, you saw "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis, didn't you? No more need for downfield blocking when you are packing. :) Best hit I saw all season! :) Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 10:09:03 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14340 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A57DFA03C8; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:08:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112101346.018e9020@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:15:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Begeman.Leon@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: 81st Crotona Midnight Run Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Leon. I found this info-- Feb 6,7 81st Crotona Midnight Run Yonkers, NY Ramapo Motorcycle Club (914) 668-8335 Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 10:27:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14670 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 389; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:26:07 -0500 Message-ID: <369B69F3.96903C25@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:27:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: Linda Tanner , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Now with my bike, it would probably take less of a lap blanket to do the > job since I already have a full fairing. A lap blanket that added 10 > inches to the sides of the fairing, came up and over the gas tank and > back on my lap would probably be enough (especially with that hot BMW > K engine!). Probably the same story with my Concours. It wouldn't need much of a blanket to be truly comfy. I'm interested to see what Linda can come up with, too. Linda, Hey There! You've been quiet lately, welcome back! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 10:43:05 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14910 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 115; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: <369B6D78.8C9F2E20@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:42:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hello References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> <369A76C4.B32DFA64@XXXXXX> <19990111.162253.4511.5.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > Oh, no. Age has nothing to do with it. You don't achieve "old fart" > status until the day you decide that a ride on a motorcycle isn't > worth the effort of hiking a leg over it. Oh! Whew! I've got a couple of hundred years to go then! :) Had me worried for a minute. Dale (the Horkster, gonna ride forever!) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 11:04:22 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15342 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A272480368; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:04:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112110453.018e9970@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:07:04 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <369B69F3.96903C25@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 1/12/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Probably the same story with my Concours. It wouldn't need much >of a blanket to be truly comfy. I'm interested to see what Linda >can come up with, too. I was just emailing (is that the verb?) with a guy in Oregon who has a Langlitz (as in Langlitz Leathers) lap apron on his BMW K100 - he says they make a basic model, and a BMW boxer one with holes for the jugs. He said these were less than $200. I'll be calling Langlitz today. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 11:15:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15579 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4E36203CA; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:14:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112111222.018e1cc0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:13:37 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <369B6D78.8C9F2E20@tidalwave.net> References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> <369A76C4.B32DFA64@XXXXXX> <19990111.162253.4511.5.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:42 AM 1/12/99 , you wrote: >Bikes R Us wrote: >> >> Oh, no. Age has nothing to do with it. You don't achieve "old fart" >> status until the day you decide that a ride on a motorcycle isn't > worth >the effort of hiking a leg over it. > >Oh! Whew! I've got a couple of hundred years to go then! :) >Had me worried for a minute. >Dale (the Horkster, gonna ride forever!) Be sure to put in your will that your buddies have to take your expired body for a last ride. Like that guy in Finland (?) did with his Dad. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 11:26:59 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15773 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:26:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990112162839.28162.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.121.100.100] by send203.yahoomail.com; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:28:39 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Hello To: Dale Horstman Cc: "'DCC'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --Dale Horstman wrote: > > Ray wrote: > > > And Ray says: > > Handguns and football? Scary. I'm for whatever team Mark is for! > > Aw, c'mon, you saw "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis, didn't > you? No more need for downfield blocking when you are packing. :) > No, never saw Last Boy Scout. But I did see Mad Max about 600 times. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 13:20:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17804 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A26914E03CA; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:20:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112132621.018f22b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:27:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Pictures of GPS car in river Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Computer Car Navigator Is All Wet >.c The Associated Press > POTSDAM, Germany (AP) -- A German couple out for a Christmas drive near >Berlin >ended up in a river -- apparently because their luxury car's computer forgot to >mention they had to wait for a ferry. > >You find some video-screenshots of a TV report by RTL about it on my page: >http://home.pages.de/~schlaggo/gps/index.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 13:30:24 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18062 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA17387 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:29:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-12.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.140) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017304; Tue Jan 12 12:29:11 1999 Message-ID: <003901be3e59$5d1325e0$8c72d9ce@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: NYC Bus Trip Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:28:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will be leaving from WV panhandle, running up Rt. 340 to Rt. 70 to the = beltway. If anyone needs a ride from these nether regions let me know Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo pager 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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HDKnight1 on Yahoo pager
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:06:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18769 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 182; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <369B9D19.A2DE730D@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:06:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <19990112162839.28162.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > > --Dale Horstman wrote: > > Aw, c'mon, you saw "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis, didn't > > you? No more need for downfield blocking when you are packing. :) > > > No, never saw Last Boy Scout. But I did see Mad Max about 600 times. > Ray Close enough. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:07:40 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18773 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 224; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:05:46 -0500 Message-ID: <369B9D6E.2B6537D6@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:07:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990112110453.018e9970@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leather would probably rule as a fabric for this. Can be made weatherproof enough to last for a while, too. Chris Norloff wrote: > I was just emailing (is that the verb?) with a guy in Oregon who has a > Langlitz (as in Langlitz Leathers) lap apron on his BMW K100 - he says they > make a basic model, and a BMW boxer one with holes for the jugs. He said > these were less than $200. I'll be calling Langlitz today. > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:32:52 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19324 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id OAA06724; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:29:44 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006543; Tue, 12 Jan 99 14:29:20 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5G00KPVOXNC4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F7.006B2DF3 ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:30:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:26:56 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: FW: 97 HD Softail FS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F7.0069BB62.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL I found this on the BBS at my office. Respond to the guy below, not me. Chris Weaver -------- 1997 Harley Davidson Softail Custom 1,600 miles, two tone burgundy, 3k in options, mint cond. $15,500 Herndon 703-610-7593 Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:48:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19573 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00301 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18772 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QCIIa01222 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:47:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:47:18 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Gorgeous Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Im sorry for the useless waste of bandwidth but for those who didnt ride in today, its GORGEOUS outside. Felt like April.... Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:58:43 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19788 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96E3C50356; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:58:38 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112142444.018f7830@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:25:04 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH In-Reply-To: <369B9D6E.2B6537D6@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990112110453.018e9970@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" $$$! Chris Norloff At 02:07 PM 1/12/99 , you wrote: >Leather would probably rule as a fabric for this. Can be made >weatherproof enough to last for a while, too. > > > >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> I was just emailing (is that the verb?) with a guy in Oregon who has a >> Langlitz (as in Langlitz Leathers) lap apron on his BMW K100 - he says they >> make a basic model, and a BMW boxer one with holes for the jugs. He said >> these were less than $200. I'll be calling Langlitz today. >> >> Chris Norloff > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 15:23:12 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20301 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15226; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8AD@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:24:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Gonna have to agree with this one!!! This morning was the first I've ridden in to work in a while (first it was the tires..then I kept forgetting to buy a parking pass)... Almost didn't want to come into work this morning... The trip outside the building for lunch wlcomed even sunnier and warmer weather!! Woo hoo... may have to take the long way home tonight. Collin On Tuesday, January 12, 1999 2:59 PM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] wrote: > Im sorry for the useless waste of bandwidth but for those who didnt ride in > today, its GORGEOUS outside. Felt like April.... > > Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 15:37:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20555 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 100AZS-0000H5-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:37:51 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFC3F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Fagan, Collin LT'" , "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:33:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I'm jealous! Someone want to give me a new battery? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:24 PM > To: 'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day > > Gonna have to agree with this one!!! This morning was the first I've > ridden > in to work in a while (first it was the tires..then I kept forgetting > to buy > a parking pass)... Almost didn't want to come into work this > morning... > The trip outside the building for lunch wlcomed even sunnier and > warmer > weather!! Woo hoo... may have to take the long way home tonight. > > Collin > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:04:30 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21011 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id XROYa15297 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:01:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:01:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm jealous too - someone want to tell my bike it can come out of hibernation now?!?!?! although walking around on two feet was very pleasant too.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:31:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21566 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 221; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: <369BBF34.5242A8A3@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:31:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8AD@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > Woo hoo... may have to take the long way home tonight. You won't be the only one! ;) Dale (I hear Chantilly backroads calling me...) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:38:46 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21713 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-39-49.s49.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.49]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07979 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990112164645.006d2bc4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:46:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone out there have a copy of Windows for Worgroups 3.11 laying around? My disk 8 has a bad sector and prevents me from loading a much needed network driver on my old machine (networking them together finally) Specifically, I need VNETSUP.386 If anyone can help out i'd really appreciate it..can't seem to find this one anywhere on the net :( Thanks Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:41:42 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21726 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mine came out today. A little tricky since the cul-de-sac I live on was not plowed, but it was passable. The main roads, however, were in pretty good shape. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day I'm jealous too - someone want to tell my bike it can come out of hibernation now?!?!?! although walking around on two feet was very pleasant too.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 18:35:40 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23873 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-65-173.s173.tnt24.brd.erols.com [207.172.65.173]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14257 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FW: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01be3e84$2681d280$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I can't visualize what this thing would look like, but I'm sure with some collaboration, we could come up with a design. I don't think my machine can sew through that much fabric, but we can try. But what is the goal? Cutting the wind or insulation? There are better ways than layers upon layers. There are polartec products now that are windproof. Let's keep talking about it. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Leon Begeman said: Ok. Count me in. I want the 3rd one. I built one last year, it wasn't heavy enough. Can you sew through 4 layers of canvas and a half inch of batting? How does one put a 1/2"x1/8" strip of aluminum strap into the seams? How can a pair of 2ft aluminum straps be removed so it can be washed? If it doesn't go underneath the bike, then air gets in from the bottom, if it does go under the bike, then you can't put your feet down to stop, I opted for warm, I had to plan ahead to stop. I'll pay $500 for one that will last about 10,000 miles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 18:38:03 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23893 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-65-173.s173.tnt24.brd.erols.com [207.172.65.173]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15732 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01be3e84$7bdae1e0$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990112075236.018bdb40@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Yep, my saddlebags/tankbag are made of the same type stuff. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Chris Norloff said: That's a real possiblity! Does your sewing maching handle the heavy pack-cloth stuff (like cloth the weight of an Aerostich)? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 18:52:52 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24205 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-65-173.s173.tnt24.brd.erols.com [207.172.65.173]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25548 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:52:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01be3e86$8bdb56e0$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <369B69F3.96903C25@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Thanks, Dale. I just checked out the Potomac Marine website. The pictures still don't show me what the thing really looks like. We can work this out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ PS. I was in FL for Christmas and, man, was it hot ;-) Dale Horstman said: Probably the same story with my Concours. It wouldn't need much of a blanket to be truly comfy. I'm interested to see what Linda can come up with, too. Linda, Hey There! You've been quiet lately, welcome back! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 19:08:14 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24523 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PWROa23166 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:07:22 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6bffecce.369be3ba@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:07:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NYC Bus Trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I'm leaving from beautiful downtown DC if anyone wants to tag along. I live right across from the WaterFront metro if you want to meet me here or I can swing by and pick you up. Also, bringing the Blazer so, if anyone wants to stow their stuff in it during the trip, feel free. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 19:25:39 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24778 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from big-daddy (207-172-50-76.s76.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.76]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29981 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:25:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990112192945.006c95ac@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:29:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: non-moto driver needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all who replied....I go the whopping 15k file and I am up and networked.... And they pay you network gurus HOW MUCH!!!! :) Just kidding. I know there's a lot more to it than installing a pair of nic cards a hub and a little file sharing.... Thanks again to those that responded Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 21:57:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27252 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05548 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA00062 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-24.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.65]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03838 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:32 -0500 Message-ID: <053901be3ea0$177e5f80$4110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:54:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Riding west at 5:15 was surreal -- that sunset spoke of cataclysm -- Fiery, bright orange-red, changing slowly like lava flowing over the clouds. A stunner! Bill S. / DC / 513 99 VN750 Needs blindfolding when riding into fire Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX >Im sorry for the useless waste of bandwidth but for those who didnt ride in >today, its GORGEOUS outside. Felt like April.... > >Jack > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 01:18:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00573 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08289 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03185 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UQVKa02625; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:16:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67fadade.369c3a48@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:16:40 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TLR parts... still needed. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Yep, if anyone knows of any left side parts mostly body, mirror, turnsignal, nose cowl, lower cowl, and foot peg, shifter, and bracket. I need it. I called a guy out west who had it advertised, but its already been sold, he is gonna ask a buddy of his if he is selling his stock bodywork, but doesnt sound too promising. So everyone, please do your ol buddy Sean a favor and keep your eyes peeled. I need this thing ready for bike week, and as much as I am willing to get brand new parts, Im looking to save a couple bucks. Thanks for the help... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 06:45:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06470 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA11654 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA07102 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:45:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113114712.24397.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:47:12 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:47:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: TLR parts... still needed. To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Call Grant Lopez (yeah, that Grant Lopez) at his shop at 334-633-FAST. That's not actually his phone number, it's the other business in the bldg but it's the one I remember and it's the same shop. He races and wrecks these, and always has one or two parts bikes around. Ray ---CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yep, if anyone knows of any left side parts mostly body, mirror, turnsignal, > nose cowl, lower cowl, and foot peg, shifter, and bracket. I need it. I > called a guy out west who had it advertised, but its already been sold, he is > gonna ask a buddy of his if he is selling his stock bodywork, but doesnt sound > too promising. So everyone, please do your ol buddy Sean a favor and keep > your eyes peeled. I need this thing ready for bike week, and as much as I am > willing to get brand new parts, Im looking to save a couple bucks. > > Thanks for the help... > Sean... > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 07:18:37 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06945 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from big-daddy (207-172-50-76.s76.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.76]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id HAA14718 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:18:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990113072544.006c9418@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:25:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Paging Mr Weaver...Mr. Chris Weaver... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to send this to the list.... Chris, it appears your reply to field in your mail program needs some editing :) Trying to send you a reply from yesterday and both attempts failed... Collin >Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:45:00 -0500 >From: postmaster@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file >To: cfagan@XXXXXX >Reply-to: postmaster@XXXXXX >Content-disposition: inline >X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL > > > >Delivery Failure Report > > Your Re: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file > document: > > was not Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US > delivered to > : > > because: User Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US not > listed in public Name & Address Book > > > > > > > > > Tampa-TSS-Gate6, Tampa-TSS-Gate6, USDomino071/Price Waterhouse, > INTLNAMMAIL01/US/INTL, INTLNAMSMTP10/US/INTL > > > > ________________________ > > >To: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US >cc: >From: cfagan@XXXXXX @ Internet >Date: 01/12/99 07:45:00 PM >Subject: Re: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file > >Thanks for the file Chris... I'm now a true geek with my own home network >:) > >Old Dominion is out your direction sort of... remember when we headed out >route 28 then turned onto Waxpool and went past the WalMart? Well, keep >going a mile or so and on the right you'll see three very tall flagpoles >and flags back a bit from the road... That's it! One of the buildings that >you can see says "Airbus" >take a look at my little sketch then apply it as you go through the >park...first left, follow the long multi apex sweepers around to the back, >right turn, straightaway, left turn, long right sweeper, right turn onto >waxpool's turn lane, right turn back into complex... Pretty fun and not too >populated on a sunday afternoon... > >Thanks again >Collin > >At 05:18 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >>By the way, Collin - nice website. >> >>Where's that Old Dominion Speedway anyway? I looked for where it might be >>when I went on a group ride you organized in the fall, and never noticed >>anyplace obvious. >> >>Chris Weaver >>(I was the guy on the crappy red Seca II. Looking at maybe a TL-S or F4 >>soon - woohoo!) >> >> >> >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LT, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >(racing page) > > > _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 07:22:44 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07045 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust008.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.8]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA02128; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:25:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990113121749.006cd580@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:17:49 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: non-moto driver needed At 07:29 PM 1/12/99 -0500, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Thanks to all who replied....I go the whopping 15k file and I am up and >networked.... >And they pay you network gurus HOW MUCH!!!! :) About the same as Coast Guard Lieutenants. Leon - who was an Army Captain before becoming a network guru. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 07:57:08 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07573 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:57:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:57:05 EDT Message-Id: <199901130757.AA19792594@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: ljtanner@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH X-Mailer: There's some pictures of the Harley lap robes at http://www.potomacmarine.com/canvas.htm For our bikes with fairings, visualize the fairing on each side continuing back as cloth until it covers your legs. Then visualize the tops of the cloth on each side covered by a third piece of cloth that you pull across your lap. The leading edge of this third piece lays across your gas tank. This keeps the wind off you, and (depending on the bike) keeps the engine heat with you. At least that's one version. I talked with "Dave" at Langlitz Leathers in Oregon yesterday, and they charge about $150 for lap aprons. While I emailed with a guy who has one now on his BMW K100, Dave said Langlitz doesn't have ones for that bike, but has them for the BMW boxer engines (it attaches between the carb and head on each side). He really doesn't like to sell them mail order because he can't install them. He had a mail order customer return one as "not working" and they found out he was securing it to the front fender! No one needs that kind of liability exposure. He really liked the idea of the prices Potomac Canvas is charging, and thought he might fly out to install them himself! :-) Chris Norloff ************************************************* I can't visualize what this thing would look like, but I'm sure with some collaboration, we could come up with a design. I don't think my machine can sew through that much fabric, but we can try. But what is the goal? Cutting the wind or insulation? There are better ways than layers upon layers. There are polartec products now that are windproof. Let's keep talking about it. LindaT. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 09:01:46 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00547 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 100QrP-0002lA-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:01:27 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DE4E056@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Oh, The Ride In Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:57:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, ok, so you guys got me jealous enough to risk my battery today. I put it on the tender last night to recharge it & rode in today. I forgot how much I missed riding! The acceleration, the ability to get through traffic...ah, so much better than that sardine can they call the metro in the morning! Ice, ice, stay away! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 09:38:28 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01134 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id JAA15868; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:35:24 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015456; Wed, 13 Jan 99 09:34:18 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5I005OH5XKEE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F8.00502622 ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:35:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:31:27 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: Paging Mr Weaver...Mr. Chris Weaver... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F8.004EAE27.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Sorry folks. I've just gotten a new NT workstation here at the office and am still working out the bugs in the new system. If anyone else has been trying to get a hold of me, try using the address below to reply to me. Meanwhile, I'll try to figure out how to get Lotus Notes to change the "reply to" address. Sorry for the confusion. Chris Weaver christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:22:43 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01923 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA17723 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:21:27 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990113152210.RBEZ6156@toddnt> for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:22:10 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bobby! Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be3f08$65958aa0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Oh, NOOOOO! Franklin Mint, with the almighty seal of approval of Harley Davidson, has created one of the most bewildering and (at least to me) sickening little collectibles; 'Bobby'. I was thumbing through my latest issue of American Motorcyclist, and there on a full page ad was 'Bobby'. 'Bobby' is a little porcelien baby bad-boy, complete with Harley Cap, vest and key-chain. He is sitting, baby style in his little diapers grasping the key-chaing and just barely smirking. Awwwwwww....give me a break, please. At the bottom left of the add was the official Harley Davidson seal of approved products. I just stared at the whole thing and didn't know if I should burst out laughing, or screaming. (Heavy, heavy sigh) Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:23:05 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01933 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id KAA08527; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:01 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id KAA10165; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NYC Bus Trip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone going on the bus trip from the leesburg/herndon area that might be interested in car pooling? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:31:04 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02079 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113153218.1192.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send102.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:32:18 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:32:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: NYC weather forcast To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://home.microsoft.com/default.asp?clienttime=625&zipcode=10009#end _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:33:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02091 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14317 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11027 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F8.0054B4DC ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:25:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F8.00549110.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:25:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Bobby! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Harley's new motto. "Build it, and they will buy it." on a full page ad was 'Bobby'. 'Bobby' is a little porcelien baby bad-boy, complete with Harley Cap, vest and key-chain. He is sitting, baby style in his little diapers grasping the key-chaing and just barely smirking. Awwwwwww....give me a break, please. At the bottom left of the add was the official Harley Davidson seal of approved products From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:58:44 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02507 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA20216; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:57:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv13-21.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.85) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020157; Wed Jan 13 09:57:14 1999 Message-ID: <002c01be3f0d$4c4d1f40$5572d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" , "Hugh A. Caldwell" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:56:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Hugh, I can run down Rt 9 to Leesburg instead and just run Rt 7 to the = Beltway if you are in a jam.... Let me know... At least the forecast for = this weekend looks good so far. Anyone else ?=20 Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight 1 on Yahoo Pager 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:29 AM Subject: NYC Bus Trip > > Is anyone going on the bus trip from the leesburg/herndon >area that might be interested in car pooling? > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 11:06:08 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02694 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23369 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:06:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199901131606.LAA23369@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:04:24 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC weather forcast Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990113153218.1192.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, so New York City is getting rain, snow and ice over the next two days... :-) Don't worry, the bus trip is not in jeopardy! First of all, those New Yorkers are used to getting snow (I should know, I'm a displaced New Yorker myself)... they have plenty of snow plows, sand trucks, etc. (radical concept!). Secondly, the bus will be travelling 95N to the NJ Turnpike and straight into the city. All interstates, no secondary roads. No problemo! The good news is that the weather will be clear on Saturday, and looks like it'll be in the 50's here on Sunday! I'm sure we'll all be in the mood to ride after drooling over those new bikes! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 13:38:50 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05251 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU5NRXL; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:15 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Message-ID: <19990113.133527.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-7,11-12,14-15,19-22,26-27,29-31 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:15 EST On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:59:28 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: > I'm wondering about using thin bungee material (aka "shock cord") and lightweight >fiberglass poles (fishing poles or lightweight tent poles). Why not just strap an open umbrella to each leg? (har, har) I sat on a Royal Star equipped with engine guards and a windshield for quite some time this morning, trying to figure out what shape an effective blanket would have to be. My mental design process isn't complete, but I think it would have to attach: 1. to the forward frame rails above and below the radiator (with the radiator exposed) 2. to the engine guards, then wrap around the outside of the floorboards to cover your feet. After that, I envision attaching the outside edge of the blanket to a belt around your waist. This would allow for leg movement under (behind) the blanket. 3. to the same waist belt from the upper frame attachment point. The overall effect, I think, would be of "chaps" that attach to the bike rather than to your legs. You could unbuckle (or un-velcro/unsnap) the belt and leave it with the bike when you dismounted. Anyone see a flaw in this design? What am I saying? I must be crazy to open up myself to criticism like this... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 13:43:13 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05331 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU5NR7Q; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:16 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Age of wisdom Message-ID: <19990113.133527.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000401be3e37$9fc713a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-6,8-9,13-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:16 EST On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:27:03 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >He, he, he. Wait til you're actually 30. Then you start looking at 40+ year olds as the >'real' geezers. I'm sure it's the same when you touch 40. :) When I turned 21, I looked back at 18 and said, "I thought I knew everything back then. I was an idiot." When I turned 30, I looked back on 21 and thought the same thing. I wonder if that continues throughout life. Do you think we'll all reach 70, look back on 55 and say, "I thought I knew it all when I retired. Pah! I was a moron!" JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:08:11 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05730 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 201; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <369CEEFE.F40D9396@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:07:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Linda Tanner Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design References: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> <19990113.133527.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > The overall effect, I think, would be of "chaps" that attach to the bike > rather than to your legs. You could unbuckle (or un-velcro/unsnap) the > belt and leave it with the bike when you dismounted. That's a pretty good way of explaining it! Chaps for your bike. ;) I don't think I'd want them belted to me, though. Velcro might be tolerable, though. Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:20:48 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05994 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03014 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8B9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets - design Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ouch..that just sounds painful!!! heavy fabric snapping in the groin!! yikes! On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:18 PM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether > the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:23:41 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06006 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU8AG9L; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:59 EST To: nomad98@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Message-ID: <19990113.142108.7775.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19990113185435.21248.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-7,12-19 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:59 EST On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:54:35 -0800 (PST) Nomad writes: >It occurs to me that it would be easier / cheaper to purchase and wear a pair of >chaps or leather pants than to procure and wear a lap apron. >Herb >'94 magna Yeah, but I think the idea of the blanket is to trap engine heat around you in addition to blocking the wind the way "real" chaps do. Besides, with the blanket thing left on the bike, you could walk into a business establishment without hearing the theme from "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" in the background. (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) But, yes, regular chaps WOULD be easier and probably cheaper. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:36:55 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06302 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:36:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113193748.10077.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send106.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:37:48 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:37:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo" I thought I was mearly imagining that sound as I came motoring into work most friday mornings. Herb '94 Magna > Yeah, but I think the idea of the blanket is to trap engine heat around > you in addition to blocking the wind the way "real" chaps do. Besides, > with the blanket thing left on the bike, you could walk into a business > establishment without hearing the theme from "The Good, The Bad, and The > Ugly" in the background. > > (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) > > But, yes, regular chaps WOULD be easier and probably cheaper. > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:43:26 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06449 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU9FBAQ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:43:05 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Message-ID: <19990113.143954.7775.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> <19990113.133527.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> <369CEEFE.F40D9396@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,12-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:43:05 EST On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:07:42 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >That's a pretty good way of explaining it! Chaps for your bike. ;) >I don't think I'd want them belted to me, though. Velcro might be >tolerable, though. Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether >the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. Well, I guess I wouldn't want to be buckle-belted to the bike either, now that you mention it. A little Velcro or a snap or two would be okay, since they'd give way if you fell off. I doubt it would take much more than that to hold the blanket on you. Each bike's aerodynamics would be an issue and so would the "flap factor." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 16:53:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08782 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20027 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA25050 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:52:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113215429.15356.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:29 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:29 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: TLR parts... still needed. To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sean...I still have some TL parts also... ..orig windscreen ..orig exhaust cans (2) ..solo seat pad ............................ .......make me a deal....... .....selling them cheap..... ---CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yep, if anyone knows of any left side parts mostly body, mirror, turnsignal, > nose cowl, lower cowl, and foot peg, shifter, and bracket. I need it. I > called a guy out west who had it advertised, but its already been sold, he is > gonna ask a buddy of his if he is selling his stock bodywork, but doesnt sound > too promising. So everyone, please do your ol buddy Sean a favor and keep > your eyes peeled. I need this thing ready for bike week, and as much as I am > willing to get brand new parts, Im looking to save a couple bucks. > > Thanks for the help... > Sean... > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 17:05:48 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09050 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:05:45 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27507; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:04:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901132204.RAA27507@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Age of wisdom To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:04:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990113.133527.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> from "Bikes R Us" at Jan 13, 99 01:37:16 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > When I turned 30, I looked back on 21 and thought the same thing. I > wonder if that continues throughout life. Do you think we'll all reach > 70, look back on 55 and say, "I thought I knew it all when I retired. > Pah! I was a moron!" > Well, you will keep doing, and later you will say: "I thought I knew everything, but now I forgot almost everyting" > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:12:16 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10086 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA11843; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:11:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-28.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.156) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011803; Wed Jan 13 17:11:01 1999 Message-ID: <001501be3f49$e37041e0$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" , "Hugh A. Caldwell" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:10:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Hugh, I am not sure where exactly Reston town Parkway is, I always just = take the Greenway to the Toll Road to go into work, but if theres = someplace that I could meet you Saturday morning at about 6:45 am, I = dont mind at all.. May need the help staying awake on the route home. = That goes for anyone else out this way. I am taking the jeep so I have = room for 4 passengers...I have met Anita fefore at a Burger King just NE = of Rt 28 and Rt 7. Let me know whatever comes up... Foer any = emergencies my pager number is 304-271-1049. thats also useful if anyone = ever gets into trouble out this way riding etc.. always willing to = help, especially since daughter is now old enough to come along without = any problems Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell To: Ken Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip > > I live off of Rt 7 near the Reston Town Parkway. I've >got my own transportation so I was mostly interested in carpooling >for convenience sake. You don't need to come out of your way to >pick me up but if you want to, that would be cool. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Ken wrote: > >> Hugh, I can run down Rt 9 to Leesburg instead and just run Rt 7 to = the Beltway if you are in a jam.... Let me know... At least the forecast = for this weekend looks good so far. Anyone else ?=20 >>=20 >> Ken S. >> HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger >> HDKnight 1 on Yahoo Pager >> 1996 XLH 1200 >> Ride Safe >> Inwood, WV >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hugh A. Caldwell >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:29 AM >> Subject: NYC Bus Trip >>=20 >>=20 >> > >> > Is anyone going on the bus trip from the leesburg/herndon >> >area that might be interested in car pooling? >> > >> > >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >>=20 >>=20 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:52:49 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10793 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TYPFa15290; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11bf9169.369d3050@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:24 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bobby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/13/99 10:27:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Oh, NOOOOO! Franklin Mint, with the almighty seal of approval of Harley Davidson, has created one of the most bewildering and (at least to me) sickening little collectibles; 'Bobby'. >> ROTFLMAO. I saw this too. I was seriously thinking of buying it for a friend who rides a Harley. Then reality struck and I realized how stupid it looked. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:53:45 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10808 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id SAA23628; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:41 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id SAA23549; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: Ken cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... In-Reply-To: <001501be3f49$e37041e0$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If the Burger King is on Rt 7 I believe I know where it's located and will be glad to meet you ther at 6:45AM. I believe that this is the same Burger King that Collin used as the starting point of a ride he set up late last year. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:58:02 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10904 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA21728; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:57:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ac01be3f50$a108e1c0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: Re: Oh, The Ride In Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 And now I have to go get it because the battery is crap.... errrr. Just when I wanted to sit home, relax, kick the dogs, love the wife, etc. errrrr. ;-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: Oh, The Ride In >Ok, ok, so you guys got me jealous enough to risk my battery today. I >put it on the tender last night to recharge it & rode in today. I >forgot how much I missed riding! The acceleration, the ability to get >through traffic...ah, so much better than that sardine can they call the >metro in the morning! Ice, ice, stay away! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:06:00 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11109 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07170; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199901140005.TAA07170@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:04:10 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... Priority: normal References: <001501be3f49$e37041e0$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 13 Jan 99, at 18:53, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > If the Burger King is on Rt 7 I believe I know where it's > located and will be glad to meet you ther at 6:45AM. I believe that > this is the same Burger King that Collin used as the starting point > of a ride he set up late last year. Yes, it is the same [infamous] Burger King! :-) Affectionately known as "Anita's Burger King"... but unfortunately I don't get a share of the profits! :-) Anita (living in the center of the universe, Sterling VA!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:19:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11353 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21994 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28616 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26669 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HGIMa01433 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:14:34 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:14:34 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Huh...? A geography question.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Ran across this on one of the recent NYX trip postings....... "....Also, Scott Rush (ScooterFZR@XXXXXX) will be leaving from SW DC and is interested in carpooling as well..." Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:21:01 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11444 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:21:00 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RHKLa23173 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:20:21 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <551c0199.369d3845@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:20:21 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NYC Bus Trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Sorry to post this to the list but, I lost the e-mail of the person who said they might be interested in a ride. He asked where WaterFront Metro Station was, it's on the Greenline near the fishmarket and Arena Stage. L'Enfant Plaza is also close by. However, I checked with Metro and they don't start running until 8am on the weekends. Anyone looking to share a ride, we'd have to meet somewhere. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:29:00 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11537 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA22946; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:27:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-28.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.156) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022895; Wed Jan 13 18:27:15 1999 Message-ID: <021501be3f54$86d41000$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Hugh A. Caldwell" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:26:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well then sounds like a plan, Anita would you also care to meet us there = ? Anybody else? Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Hugh A. Caldwell ; dc-cycles = Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:13 PM Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... >On 13 Jan 99, at 18:53, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: >=20 >> If the Burger King is on Rt 7 I believe I know where it's >> located and will be glad to meet you ther at 6:45AM. I believe that >> this is the same Burger King that Collin used as the starting point >> of a ride he set up late last year. > >Yes, it is the same [infamous] Burger King! :-) Affectionately=20 >known as "Anita's Burger King"... but unfortunately I don't get a=20 >share of the profits! :-)=20 > >Anita >(living in the center of the universe, Sterling VA!) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:40:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11737 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22178 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29029 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26802 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10106; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199901140040.TAA10106@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:38:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. I'm not sure why you are confused! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:49:09 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11938 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10620; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:47:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199901140047.TAA10620@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Ken" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:46:09 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <021501be3f54$86d41000$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 13 Jan 99, at 19:26, Ken wrote: > Well then sounds like a plan, Anita would you also care to meet > us there ? Anybody else? I'm going to be doing a "run around like a chicken with its head cut off" routine on Saturday morning... fun things like picking up donuts/muffins/whatever from Dunkin' Donuts, ice for the sodas, and then get to the commuter lot by 7:30 am. So, I'll have to pass on the carpooling this time around! :-) Whew, this "tour director" stuff is hard work! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:57:46 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12116 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust041.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.41]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA23916; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:00:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990114005255.006b8144@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:52:55 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us), todd.b.peer@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Age of wisdom Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:37 PM 1/13/99 EST, Bikes R Us wrote: >When I turned 21, I looked back at 18 and said, "I thought I knew >everything back then. I was an idiot." > >When I turned 30, I looked back on 21 and thought the same thing. I >wonder if that continues throughout life. I sure as hell hope so. I'm not looking forward to the time when I know that I was a lot smarter 10 years ago. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 20:55:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13024 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-50-76.s76.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.76]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08272 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369D5174.DFDE7FFF@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:07:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. References: <199901140040.TAA10106@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit he he he.... our headquarters building is located deep in the heart of SW DC, and believe me, it's NOT Arlington :) While there are a few decent areas in SW, the biggest share of it is very low income housing... Had a few very scare shuttle bus rides through there.... One saturday when I took a shortcut through there, two whole blocks were shutdown and about every DC cop was there running around with guns pulled and yelling at people... Up near L'Enfant Plaza where I work (DOT building) isn't too bad though... Anita Lauro wrote: > > On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? > > You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, > SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. > > I'm not sure why you are confused! > > Anita -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 21:31:20 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13656 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:31:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114023251.10426.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.192.58] by send102.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:32:51 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Collin, I used to attend meetings at Buzzard's Point and every so often the shuttle bus was hit with BB gun pellets from the boyz-in-the-hood (usually in the afternoon when they finally woke-up). Always an interesting ride through that SW neighborhood. Herb '94 Magna <---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: Had a few very scare shuttle bus rides through there.< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 23:38:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15649 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24442 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA04506 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JDKAa27801; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:36:23 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1ceff72c.369d7447@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:36:23 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Interesting web site... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 http://www.staff.dmu.ac.uk/~msb/questionnaire.htm This is a crash survey for anyone who has been in a motorcycle accident. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 00:02:14 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16023 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:33:44 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Ken" Cc: Subject: RE: NYC Bus Trip Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <02b801be3f77$eb0b5880$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199901140047.TAA10620@radagast.wizard.net> Importance: Normal Meanwhile, I'll be threading that find line between "trying to make it on time" and "getting pulled over". ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:46 PM > To: Ken > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip > > > On 13 Jan 99, at 19:26, Ken wrote: > > > Well then sounds like a plan, Anita would you also care to meet > > us there ? Anybody else? > > I'm going to be doing a "run around like a chicken with its head cut > off" routine on Saturday morning... fun things like picking up > donuts/muffins/whatever from Dunkin' Donuts, ice for the sodas, > and then get to the commuter lot by 7:30 am. So, I'll have to pass > on the carpooling this time around! :-) > > Whew, this "tour director" stuff is hard work! :-) > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 00:30:01 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16442 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s35.wizard.net [206.161.15.65]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00081 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:29:59 -0500 Message-ID: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:38:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 A lot of hype, but fun to read anyhow! :-) http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990113/ny_cycle_w_1.html Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 01:15:02 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17134 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:11:34 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:17:39 -0500 Message-ID: <02cd01be3f85$95ff7660$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> Importance: Normal Hey, can we qualify for the $2 off for groups >20?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24463 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD73CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114080733.00fd7b80@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:08:18 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990113.142108.7775.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19990113185435.21248.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:22 PM 1/13/99 , Bikes R Us wrote: >Yeah, but I think the idea of the blanket is to trap engine heat around >you in addition to blocking the wind the way "real" chaps do. Besides, >with the blanket thing left on the bike, you could walk into a business >establishment without hearing the theme from "The Good, The Bad, and The >Ugly" in the background. > >(Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) And WHAT'S wrong with that? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24464 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD72CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114080705.018b3560@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:07:22 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets - design In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8B9@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ya gotta be TOUGH to ride a bike in the winter! Chris Norloff At 02:22 PM 1/13/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Ouch..that just sounds painful!!! heavy fabric snapping in the groin!! >yikes! > > >On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:18 PM, Dale Horstman >[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: > Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether >> the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24466 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD74CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:24 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114080930.00fd2370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:15:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] In-Reply-To: <11bf9169.369d3050@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ><< Oh, NOOOOO! Franklin Mint, with the almighty seal of approval of Harley > Davidson, has created one of the most bewildering and (at least to me) > sickening little collectibles; 'Bobby'. >> > >ROTFLMAO. I saw this too. I was seriously thinking of buying it for a friend >who rides a Harley. Then reality struck and I realized how stupid it looked. >Scooter This seems like a good place to present a letter that was in Cycle World (Feb 99), from a guy in Massachusetts. "Exactly two years ago, I bought a Harley-Davidson. Since then, I have been to all three of the big rallies: Sturgis, Daytona and Laconia. I've always enjoyed these events as a spectator, but have never really found any common ground with the mainstream participants. As a friend of mine observed, "Grown men and women who spend ungodly amounds of money on Harley-Davidson motorcycles, clothes, T-shirts, pre-ripped pants, chaps, extremely loud pipes, tattoos, etc. and proceed to tow their bikes to these events have absolutely nothing to do with motorcycling and everything to do with Halloween." "He may be right, I enjoy riding this bike, not polishing it like a Faberge egg. It seems that maybe these folks should be sold dummy-Harleys that have a really loud V-Twin soundtrack and an electric motor that will do 50 or 100 miles, the average distance ridded during an event. This way, the people who really ride Harleys won't have to wait in line for one." Well said, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24471 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29944 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10468 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01255 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD75CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114081651.00fd0b50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:19:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. In-Reply-To: <199901140040.TAA10106@radagast.wizard.net> References: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >> Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? > >At 07:38 PM 1/13/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, >SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. > >I'm not sure why you are confused! >Anita Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond shape, on the west side of the Potomac River). But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account for your thinking it didn't exist. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:20:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24665 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF18352039E; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:20:24 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114082408.018b0320@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:27:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: "Interesting" ride in today! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I decided to drive the sidecar rig in today, with reports of ice, freezing rain, and rain. The bike covers had ice on them when I went outside. It took several tries to get the sidecar rig going -- which reminded me that that's one of the reasons I got a newer bike! Within a mile of leaving the house I had ice on my windscreen and faceshield, and the Fog City faceshield couldn't keep up with the fog. It was warmer in DC and everything started melting. Could be an interesting ride home! 2 wheels or 3, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:20:50 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24674 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28732; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:22:41 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8BF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'George Howell'" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:22:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From talking with Anita yesterday, we've already got that discount included in our price... On Thursday, January 14, 1999 8:17 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hey, can we qualify for the $2 off for groups >20?? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:29:56 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24800 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29293; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:31:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I had to break ice off the bike this morning too... Dumb me didn't watch the weather this morning nor check the current temps... but it "felt" ok outside. :) About 2 or 3 miles from the house, I was thinking "What kind of damn fool rides in to work in weather like thise!" Didn't realize how cold it was until I got into the parking garage here and I had a nice sheet of ice across my chest...Of course I lost feeling in the fingers long before...still wearing my summer gloves cause one of the winter ones is MIA... May have to leave the bike here and metro it home this evening if it turns worse... Collin On Thursday, January 14, 1999 8:28 AM, Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: Could be an interesting > ride home! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:40:01 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24972 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:39:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141339.IAA24972@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:41:08 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:39:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) sheesh, I only had ice on my legs.. crunchy jeans.. :P It's supposed to warm up for today.. just rain in the forecast.. we should make it home without any difficulty.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:49:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25137 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5ED39703CE; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:49:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114084649.018a51a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:48:30 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C0@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:31 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Yep, I had to break ice off the bike this morning too... ... >Didn't realize how cold it was >until I got into the parking garage here and I had a nice sheet of ice >across my chest...Of course I lost feeling in the fingers long >before...still wearing my summer gloves cause one of the winter ones is >MIA... > >May have to leave the bike here and metro it home this evening if it turns >worse... >Collin Well, I'll be leaving the FAA building garage at about 4-4:30, and you're welcome to a ride in the sidecar. (As long as I get home in time to pick up my kids at daycare). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:56:42 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25265 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.154]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 64 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: <369DF811.493B98B7@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:58:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Help on buying used Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone on the list ever bought a vehicle from an individual when it was still under lien (i.e no clear title till the original loan is paid off)? Not sure how that works. I've only ever bought from dealers or bought something that the PO had owned outright. I'd hate to cough up a bank check to some guy, take the vehicle home, and then spend weeks waiting to get the title so I can make it street legal. FWIW, the guy seems legit, I just want to cover my bases. Any other suggestions to help CMA? (Cover my You-Know) :) FWIW, the vehicle is located out of state. Any help/suggestions would be sincerely appreciated. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? TBD???? :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:16:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25680 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC4D139036E; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:16:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114091811.00fbf320@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:23:57 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Help on buying used In-Reply-To: <369DF811.493B98B7@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:58 AM 1/14/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Anyone on the list ever bought a vehicle from an >individual when it was still under lien (i.e >no clear title till the original loan is paid off)? No, I haven't. I think your concern is justified. I'd contact the current lienholder and go over this with them, because to get a clear title I guess you need both the owner and the lienholder's signature. Is the payment greater than the lien? If so, perhaps you should send two checks - one to the owner and one to the lienholder. Contact the Virginia DMV, too -- they might be able to help, and will at least tell you what pitfalls to avoid with licensing it in VA. (The DMV is so weird - I removed a name from the loan with the loan company, but DMV said the title would still show the removed name. So I re-titled the car, but then DMV said the removed name would still show up on the registration. The car had to be re-registered (with new tags) AND re-titled to remove the name of a non-owner). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:42:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26134 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01123 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12286 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02057 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.77]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25292 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:49 -0500 Message-ID: <047001be3fcd$51054ce0$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:51:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 8:17 AM Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. >But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the >river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account >for your thinking it didn't exist. The real reason I know that SW exists is because of the Maine Ave seafood vendors... maybe I'll organize a combination motorcycle ride and blue crab feast next summer.... yum!!! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:53:11 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26328 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.77]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26346; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: <048101be3fce$c4989760$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: Re: Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:01:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Dale, I went through this when I bought my GPZ... and I further complicated the situation by getting a loan myself. If the guy's bank is local, the easiest thing is for both of you to go there, you bring a cashier's check for the amount of his payoff, and cash for the difference. The bank releases the title, seller signs it over, and you are good to go. Now the guy may not want you to know his payoff, or his bank may not be local... then it's a question of trust. If the seller is MD, it's a little different. MD has a two part title... the lienholder has a special copy that records the lien, and the seller keeps part. Since the guy selling the GPZ was in Washington state, I faxed him a copy of two cashier's checks (one from the bank for the amount of my loan, one from me for the difference), he sent me his part of the title via Fedex, I went to his credit union in Hagerstown and paid off his loan, got the second part of the title, and then picked the bike up from where it was being stored. Just about as complicated as you could get (but completely worth it)! :-) Oh, and you'll also need a bill of sale to register the bike, but you can just type one up yourself. Depending on how much the guy owes he might want to take an advance on a credit card to pay it off, that way he'll have the title in hand when you come to pick up the bike. I did that when I sold my XT350 and it worked out really well. Good luck! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:58:26 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26422 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:58:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141458.JAA26422@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:59:50 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: MD native??? Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:58:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Gads, who'd wanna eat those nasty things?? (can you tell I'm not a native?) Now, if it were Rocky Mtn. Oysters... that's a different tune.. :) Yummy. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > > The real reason I know that SW exists is because of the Maine > Ave seafood > vendors... maybe I'll organize a combination motorcycle ride > and blue crab > feast next summer.... yum!!! > > > Anita > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:03:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26518 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01351 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA12833 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F9.0051F2E7 ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:55:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F9.00519B29.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:54:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Help on buying used Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Holy cow what a pain in the butt. The only way I would jump through that many hoops is if the seller knocked an additional $500 off the selling price. >>If the guy's bank is local, the easiest thing is for both of you to go there, you bring a cashier's check for the amount of his payoff, and cash for the difference. The bank releases the title, seller signs it over, and you are good to go. Now the guy may not want you to know his payoff, or his bank may not be local... then it's a question of trust. If the seller is MD, it's a little different. MD has a two part title... the lienholder has a special copy that records the lien, and the seller keeps part. Since the guy selling the GPZ was in Washington state, I faxed him a copy of two cashier's checks (one from the bank for the amount of my loan, one from me for the difference), he sent me his part of the title via Fedex, I went to his credit union in Hagerstown and paid off his loan, got the second part of the title, and then picked the bike up from where it was being stored. Just about as complicated as you could get (but completely<< From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:08:23 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26615 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06329; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C4@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:10:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's a link to a list of forms on the Oregon DMV website... Number 501 near the bottom is a nicely organized bill of sale... all you'd need to do is cover up the oregon logo near the top :) http://www.odot.state.or.us/dmv/v-forms.asp Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. Also they may have a FAQ that deals with your situation (I think Oregon's does, but it's never been an issue for me, so I haven't looked) Collin On Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:00 AM, Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] wrote: Oh, and you'll also need a bill of sale to register the > bike, but you can just type one up yourself. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:16:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26816 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01561 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13253 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.77]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28695; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <04da01be3fd1$f06024a0$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: , Subject: Re: Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:24:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: Re: Help on buying used >Holy cow what a pain in the butt. The only way I would jump through that >many hoops is if the seller knocked an additional $500 off the selling >price. Well, it was the only GPZ I could find for sale in the area... next closest ones were in NY! The price was excellent, and the bike was essentially brand new. Of course, I left out the part where I hung out at Twigg's Cycles for 2 hours waiting for them to get the bike running... the battery was hosed because the guy rode the bike a couple hundred miles, and then parked it for 10 months. Twigg's was nice enough to replace the battery and a sparkplug or two under warranty. Like I said, for me, it was worth it! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:17:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26852 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA7DEE1090A; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:17:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114102310.018c8da0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:24:19 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MD native??? In-Reply-To: <199901141458.JAA26422@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rocky Mtn. Oysters? I love oysters, but have never heard of those. Are you sure those aren't Prairie Oysters? I hear you aren't supposed to eat that kind of oyster! Chris Norloff At 09:58 AM 1/14/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Gads, who'd wanna eat those nasty things?? (can you tell I'm not a native?) >Now, if it were Rocky Mtn. Oysters... that's a different tune.. :) Yummy. > >Brian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] >> >> The real reason I know that SW exists is because of the Maine >> Ave seafood >> vendors... maybe I'll organize a combination motorcycle ride >> and blue crab >> feast next summer.... yum!!! >> >> >> Anita >> >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:19:08 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26869 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:19:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114152039.19894.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send205.yahoomail.com; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:20:39 PST Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:20:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Help on buying used To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the lien is less than the cost, pay off the lien yourself and deduct from the price. Arrange everything with the bank ahead of time, in person if possible. Ray ---Dale Horstman wrote: > > Anyone on the list ever bought a vehicle from an > individual when it was still under lien (i.e > no clear title till the original loan is paid off)? > > Not sure how that works. I've only ever bought from > dealers or bought something that the PO had owned outright. > I'd hate to cough up a bank check to some guy, take > the vehicle home, and then spend weeks waiting to > get the title so I can make it street legal. > > FWIW, the guy seems legit, I just want to cover my > bases. Any other suggestions to help CMA? (Cover my > You-Know) :) FWIW, the vehicle is located out of state. > > Any help/suggestions would be sincerely appreciated. > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > 19?? TBD???? :) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:32:15 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27150 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA13573; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id KAA04263; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. In-Reply-To: <19990114023251.10426.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I lived in SW for two years and moved out to the sticks last April. The nicest part of living there (4th & G) was it was only a couple of blocks from the mall which sure made going to see the 4th of July fireworks easy. Another nice part was that my commuter took me by the river every day and it was really quite beautiful. The bad part of living in SW was that it wasn't really within walking distance of any of the "hip" hangouts. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Nomad wrote: > Collin, > I used to attend meetings at Buzzard's Point and every so often the > shuttle bus was hit with BB gun pellets from the boyz-in-the-hood > (usually in the afternoon when they finally woke-up). Always an > interesting ride through that SW neighborhood. > Herb > '94 Magna > > > <---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > Had a few very scare shuttle bus rides through there.< > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:33:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27160 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AE515CD091A; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:33:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114103825.018cc3a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:38:54 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Help on buying used Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C4@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:35:25 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27239 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:35:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114153719.11294.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.228.195] by send103.yahoomail.com; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:37:19 PST Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:37:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: NYC Bus Trip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was told by a freind that someone is scheduling a trip to the NY Bike Show. Could someone please let me know if there is still room available. My wife and I would love to attend. Thanks, Mehran _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:39:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27257 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:39:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141539.KAA27257@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:41:09 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: MD native??? Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:39:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Same thing.. and they are quite tasty. In Bozeman, MT we have the Rocky Mtn. Oyster festival.. a week of eating them - people cook them in different ways, they're judged and enjoyed. It's great bringing in someone who has no clue.. making them try a couple then telling them what they are.. :) Lots of fun.. though I did end up with a slapped face once.. oops. :P > -----Original Message----- > > > Rocky Mtn. Oysters? I love oysters, but have never heard of > those. Are > you sure those aren't Prairie Oysters? I hear you aren't > supposed to eat > that kind of oyster! > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:41:59 1999 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27287 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-99-143.s143.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.143]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18128; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:41:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369E0F59.6EA4@erols.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:38:01 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <048101be3fce$c4989760$410fa1ce@anita> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale...If you want to REALLY cover your ass, then this is the correct procedure if his lien holder is out of the area: First, you don't care HOW much his payoff is and you ARE NOT going to get 2 checks (1 for payoff and 1 for balance) since someone might look on your check as a very nice gift and the check for the payoff as un necessary baggage. Go to your bank and get a "Draft" for the purchase. It will be made out to the seller and the lien holder and is negotiable only if the properly endorsed title papers are enclosed. Your bank will notify you when the papers arrive and you can pick them up. Expect a reasonable charge from your bank. Consider it "insurance" that's cheap. Otherwise go with the seller to the bank/credit union. Anita Lauro wrote: > > Dale, > > I went through this when I bought my GPZ... and I further complicated the > situation by getting a loan myself. > > If the guy's bank is local, the easiest thing is for both of you to go > there, you bring a cashier's check for the amount of his payoff, and cash > for the difference. The bank releases the title, seller signs it over, and > you are good to go. Now the guy may not want you to know his payoff, or his > bank may not be local... then it's a question of trust. > > If the seller is MD, it's a little different. MD has a two part title... the > lienholder has a special copy that records the lien, and the seller keeps > part. Since the guy selling the GPZ was in Washington state, I faxed him a > copy of two cashier's checks (one from the bank for the amount of my loan, > one from me for the difference), he sent me his part of the title via Fedex, > I went to his credit union in Hagerstown and paid off his loan, got the > second part of the title, and then picked the bike up from where it was > being stored. Just about as complicated as you could get (but completely > worth it)! :-) Oh, and you'll also need a bill of sale to register the > bike, but you can just type one up yourself. > > Depending on how much the guy owes he might want to take an advance on a > credit card to pay it off, that way he'll have the title in hand when you > come to pick up the bike. I did that when I sold my XT350 and it worked out > really well. > > Good luck! > Anita -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:50:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27541 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 387 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <369E125D.22C77B4B@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:50:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used References: <4.1.19990114103825.018cc3a0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed that Learner's Permits for motorcycles are now available. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/mclearnperm.htm Motorcycle Learner's Permit Virginia will begin offering a motorcycle learner's permit, effective January 1, 1999. This learner's permit allows you to operate a motorcycle between one half hour after sunrise and one half hour after sunset. In other words, you may operate the motorcycle only during daylight hours. You are not allowed on limited access highways, such as interstate highways. You must wear an approved safety helmet. You must be supervised by a person at least 21 years old who is licensed to operate a motorcycle or who is your parent, legal guardian or sibling. No one, other than the operator can be on the motorcycle. Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 10:10 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > >Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. > > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:06:32 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27786 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA27675 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:06:21 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:06:21 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:06:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I noticed that Learner's Permits for motorcycles are now >available. >http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/mclearnperm.htm Sounds like what I did with my kids - MSF beginner's course, class "M" endorsement on their licenses, and then some accompanied stick time with them on my SRX (individually, of course) and me following on my GSX. When I was satisfied that they were able to perform well (at least with me watching), I let them solo. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:07:39 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27804 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:07:38 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FMMEa18626 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:06:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91a9493c.369e15eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:06:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: today's weather report ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 ... for those of you who like to just "feel" the weather ;D -Marcy Your Regional Forecast WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY TODAY Today: Periods of freezing rain or rain. Temperatures around freezing. Northeast winds 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90 percent. Tonight: Rain. Temperatures slowly rising through the 30s. Light winds. Chance of precipitation is near 100 percent. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:12:25 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27894 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20215; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:12:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:09:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! In-Reply-To: <199901141339.IAA24972@meretrix.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At least the ice on the jeans should keep the wind out! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > sheesh, I only had ice on my legs.. crunchy jeans.. :P > > It's supposed to warm up for today.. just rain in the forecast.. we should > make it home without any difficulty.... > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:20:58 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28062 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXF66T9; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] Message-ID: <19990114.111523.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990114080930.00fd2370@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,7-8,10-11,16-19 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:15:02 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >..."Grown men and women who spend ungodly amounds of money on >Harley-Davidson motorcycles, clothes, T-shirts, pre-ripped pants, chaps, extremely >loud pipes, tattoos, etc. and proceed to tow their bikes to these events have >absolutely nothing to do with motorcycling and everything to do with Halloween."... >...This way, the people who really ride Harleys won't have to wait in line for one." Sad, but true. I waited on the list for over 6 months for a new Dyna Low Rider. When it finally came in, the G-D dealer sold it to one of these people for cash before I could come down there and do my deal. And THEN they tried to resist giving my deposit back. Don't you just hate dealers? I mean, err, uh... I never mind... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:20:45 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28060 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXF66WS; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD native??? Message-ID: <19990114.111523.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901141458.JAA26422@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,8-17 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:58:19 -0800 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >Gads, who'd wanna eat those nasty things?? (can you tell I'm not a >native?) >Now, if it were Rocky Mtn. Oysters... that's a different tune.. :) >Yummy. Let me speak for everyone who doesn't know what a Rocky Mountain Oyster is, because I do know... BLEAH, YUCK, PTOOOIE, AAAACCKKK, GAG and EEEEEEWWWWWWWW.... ugh... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:34:32 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28304 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04165 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:34:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199901141634.LAA04165@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:32:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Help on buying used Priority: normal In-reply-to: <369E0F59.6EA4@erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 14 Jan 99, at 10:38, Art Crow wrote: > First, you don't care HOW much his payoff is and you ARE NOT going to > get 2 checks (1 for payoff and 1 for balance) since someone might look > on your check as a very nice gift and the check for the payoff as un > necessary baggage. Just to clarify... I didn't mean to just hand the seller two checks. :-) My suggestion was to actually go with the seller to his bank, give the bank the check, verify that the lien was paid off, and retrieve the title. The purpose of the second check is to get the seller his portion of the proceeds easier - otherwise he has to wait for his bank to refund the "overpayment." Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:39:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28409 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02881 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA15925 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F9.005AC069 ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:31:14 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F9.005A9763.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:31:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>And THEN they tried to resist giving my deposit back.<< Why did they do that? Did they want you to go back on the waiting list or something? Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:48:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28601 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32395; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:45:04 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990114164745.VQZN6156@toddnt>; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:47:45 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3fdd$8092a8d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Did anybody else catch this: "Several new show attractions that are sure to rev the crowds have been added to this year's tour. One of the most dynamic is the Team Extreme Trials Showcase, which will feature elite motorcycle trial riders pitting their skills against the radical Team Extreme Obstacle Course. This action adventure will feature Tommi Ahvala, Finland's '92 World Champion and '93 World Indoor Champion, facing vertical walls up to 9 1/2-inches." 9 1/2"! Man, that is some wall! I have one that runs the length of my street, but we call it a curb. ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 12:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release > > > A lot of hype, but fun to read anyhow! :-) > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990113/ny_cycle_w_1.html > > Anita > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:51:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28686 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0611220384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:50:41 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114115218.00fbf6f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:53:59 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: MD native??? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199901141539.KAA27257@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No, I don't think so. I've heard the term "Prairie Oysters" to mean cowpies (like "road apples" from horses, etc.). So I guess these oysters you eat are real oysters shipped in to oyster-challenged areas? mouth watering, Chris Norloff At 10:39 AM 1/14/99 , you wrote: >Same thing.. and they are quite tasty. In Bozeman, MT we have the Rocky >Mtn. Oyster festival.. a week of eating them - people cook them in different >ways, they're judged and enjoyed. It's great bringing in someone who has no >clue.. making them try a couple then telling them what they are.. :) Lots >of fun.. though I did end up with a slapped face once.. oops. :P > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> Rocky Mtn. Oysters? I love oysters, but have never heard of >> those. Are >> you sure those aren't Prairie Oysters? I hear you aren't >> supposed to eat >> that kind of oyster! >> >> Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 12:21:19 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29233 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JJYUa07010 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7a9fe019.369e271d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:19:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Rocky Mountain Oysters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 I'm ashamed to say I once lived in a rural area where eating rocky mountain oysters was a right of passage. I didn't partake in that ritual, but I have friends who have. Yuck!!! -matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 12:57:03 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29723 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXMHDRQ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD native??? Message-ID: <19990114.125040.4351.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990114115218.00fbf6f0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-8,11-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:53:59 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >So I guess these oysters you eat are real oysters shipped in to oyster-challenged >areas? > >mouth watering, >Chris Norloff Uh, no. Lets just say that if you are a normal boy, you have a couple of these oysters between your legs right now. Rocky Mountain Oysters don't come from humans, though... mouth full of bile, JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 12:58:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29805 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04425 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18604 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXMHDPJ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] Message-ID: <19990114.125040.4351.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <852566F9.005A9763.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,16-17,27-32 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:31:08 -0500 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX writes: >>>And THEN they tried to resist giving my deposit back.<< > >Why did they do that? Did they want you to go back on the waiting list or something? Exactly. The dealer played as if the bike had not arrived yet. They were most likely going to put me off until the next one showed because they probably sold my bike to the RUBbie for $5000 more than the deal we had. I imagine that they figured I'd never know that my bike had arrived there since they sold it the day it showed up, but I had a friend in the HVAC business who went there to work on their system and happened to see the bike come in. He knew it was almost my time. I know the bike should have been mine because I camped out in front of the store in order to be the first in line on the list (which I was). Stands to reason that the first guy on the list should get the first one that comes in, no? Anyway, I pulled my deposit and decided to wait for the Harley wave to crest and fall (it will, one of these days). Eventually prices will begin to come down. Of course now I don't care anymore, since I have discovered that the Japanese make great Harleys for less money. Who wants a nice new Road Star for $5000-$10,000 less than a similar H-D? Me, that's who. Or a Royal Star with a 5 year warranty? Or a Vulcan Classic 1500 that'll walk away from a stock Harley on the highway? Or a Suzuki Intruder 1500 LC with loads of accessories already attached for $10,000? Or, best of all, how about any one of those bikes AND a V-Star for the new rider in your family for the same money as most any Harley Big Twin? Better shut up. I appear to be raving... Anyway, that's what happened... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 13:20:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00380 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A56666402DE; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:20:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114131635.018d7040@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:19:55 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release In-Reply-To: <000401be3fdd$8092a8d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:46 AM 1/14/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >This action >adventure will feature Tommi Ahvala, Finland's '92 World Champion and '93 >World Indoor Champion, facing vertical walls up to 9 1/2-inches." > >9 1/2"! Man, that is some wall! I have one that runs the length of my >street, but we call it a curb. ;) >Todd Ha ha ha! Sounds like someone used ' and " to mean feet and inches, and got it wrong. I think I've seen Ahvala (on tape) doing arenatrials in England. Absolutely incredible. It's not really motorcycling, it's stunting with a motorcycle. They use so much body english you'd swear their feet are velcro'd to the pegs. I loved the way they'd do 180 deg. turns - do a stoppie, twist the bike 180 deg. on the front wheel, and take off in the opposite direction as soon as the rear wheel touches the ground. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 13:41:19 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00636 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08936 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:41:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:41:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Cheap boots Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.hiperform.com/blowout_stock.htm My brother bought a pair of boots from this guy a couple years ago and received good service. Prices look pretty good for bonafide alpinestars racing boots. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 13:57:45 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00965 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23885 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:59:36 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8CC@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Cheap boots Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:59:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He does seem like a pretty good guy..and his prices are great if he has your size.... I talked with him back and forth afew times about a year and a half ago, and he had just sold his last size 10 before i emailed him :( :( For the smaller feet variety, he's got several sets to sell..... oh yeah, buy a pair of the boots, and he throws in a pair of Alpinestar tennis shoes for free! On Thursday, January 14, 1999 1:56 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > http://www.hiperform.com/blowout_stock.htm > > My brother bought a pair of boots from this guy a couple years ago and > received good service. Prices look pretty good for bonafide alpinestars > racing boots. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:01:40 1999 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01075 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-39-92.s92.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.92]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA18945; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:01:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369E3E1B.1829@erols.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:57:31 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <199901141634.LAA04165@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > On 14 Jan 99, at 10:38, Art Crow wrote: > > > First, you don't care HOW much his payoff is and you ARE NOT going to > > get 2 checks (1 for payoff and 1 for balance) since someone might look > > on your check as a very nice gift and the check for the payoff as un > > necessary baggage. > > Just to clarify... I didn't mean to just hand the seller two checks. :-) > My suggestion was to actually go with the seller to his bank, give > the bank the check, verify that the lien was paid off, and retrieve the > title. The purpose of the second check is to get the seller his > portion of the proceeds easier - otherwise he has to wait for his > bank to refund the "overpayment." > > Anita Oh. nevermind -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:11:29 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01176 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:11:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send206.yahoomail.com; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:15:02 PST Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: DC Cycles T-shirts To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Goodday..... since Sean has moved and has no E-mail, he asked me to put this out... It appears that we are several orders away from being able to get the shirt order going, as there is a minimum. Sean is checking his old address today for those of you whom may have sent a check to him. Sean Sullivan his new address is #16 8th Street N.E. Washington, D.C. 20002 if you want to call him..202-383-2243..work home....202-544-2855 So, come on and place an order..... Wear the DC Cycles Tee and be proud of it... Be the envy of your group on these weekend rides... Craig.. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01360 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:17:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141917.OAA01360@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:18:40 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Cheap boots Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:16:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) heh.. already ordered mine (yesterday..) :P can't complain! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:17:29 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01357 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09914 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:16:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:16:40 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC Cycles T-shirts In-Reply-To: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, c j wrote: > So, come on and place an order..... Er, what was the cost again? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:30:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01633 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05874 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22030 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:30:50 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5VKFa04796 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:28:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:28:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Boots Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Those Stars (for $50) arent really "racing boots" are they? Unfortunately at my size 12/13 its hard to find boots. Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:45:41 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01933 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10771 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Boots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Those Stars (for $50) arent really "racing boots" are they? Unfortunately > at my size 12/13 its hard to find boots. Nope, it was the GP boots that I was really referring to as racing boots and they are legit as such. The Stars are street boots and don't have all the armor of a decent race boot. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:45:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01861 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A939400338; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:44:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114144108.018ce6d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:42:48 -0500 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Cycles T-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:16 PM 1/14/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, c j wrote: >> So, come on and place an order..... > >Er, what was the cost again? >Kirk >From the Dec. 4 message Sean sent out, " The heavy cotton t-shirts will use "logo 1b" at www.dc-cycles.org. It will be a two-color design (yellow "DC" and light blue "cycles" -- sorry, no gradient). You can choose a shirt color of black, dark gray or any other color without affecting cost -- but I would recommend a dark shirt because of the rider's silhouette (and please stick to the basics, not "cornflower blue" or "rider's remorse green"). The cost of each t-shirt is $10 for sizes adult S-XL. Larger t-shirts (XXL to XXXXL) are $12. Anyone who is interested (and this includes those of you who were nice enough to already give me the initial input regarding quantity, size and color), please send me a quick order specifying: a) number of shirts you want b) size of each shirt c) color of each shirt ... and a check to me (Sean Sullivan) for the total, keeping in mind the higher cost of the larger shirts. Send the orders and the checks to me" I needed the reminder, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 15:04:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02210 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06400 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23180 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:03:02 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 14 Jan 1999 15:02:26 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 14 Jan 1999 15:02:26 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 003F5369E4D52015-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 003F5369E4D52015 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <003F5369E4D52015*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 14 Jan 1999 15:02:26 -0500 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Boots Message-Id: <003F5369E4D52015*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> The racing boots are the GP Pros the $80 ones. Thats a better price than I paid for my slightly used ones 2 years ago. DonB. -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:50 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Boots Those Stars (for $50) arent really "racing boots" are they? Unfortunately at my size 12/13 its hard to find boots. Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 15:19:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02466 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06694 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23820 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA26007; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:20:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX cc: DC Cycles Subject: black box/igniter question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Given the exorbitant price of mc electronics, does anyone have information about or experience with: (a) using/modifying igniters from one manufacturer on another's machines? (b) using/modifying car ignition electronics on bikes? Thanks. --garcia "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." (Yogi Berra) "Grab the knives and spoons, too." (garcia) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 16:30:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03804 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07743 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26875 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08162 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WORAa04297 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:21:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <551ea5a7.369e5fbd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:21:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DC Geography....Geeze, it was a joke!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 As Chris put it, "...Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond shape, on the west side of the Potomac River)...." That was what I was refering to. As I understand it, this change in geography occurred in some little domestic dispute attributed to "Northern Agression". Or something like that. I realize that their is a SW DC....c'mon guys, cut me some slack! No more historically oriented jokes for you guys!!! (Except maybe the inestimable Mr. Norloff, who seemed to have gotten where I was going.) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 16:44:47 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03973 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA08856 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:44:01 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990114214413.XHEV6156@toddnt> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:44:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: YMMV Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:43:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Been meaning to bring this topic up for a couple days now and since it's on my mind, here it is. Anybody remember the mileage for the year wars we had around march of last year? Well, my personal goal was to get around 20,000 miles for the year in 1998. My actual total for 1998 was 28,500 miles ridden with close to 8,000 of those miles put on my CB750...WooHOOO! It certainly helped that I put an additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. My 1999 goal is 30,000 miles, but I wouldn't mind if I beat that one too :-) So, let's hear it all you Long Distance Riders, and not just the IBA types. I'm willing to bet there are some lurkers here who are more interested in riding then typing ;) Todd ST1100 CB750 VF500F Member AMA, HSTA, HRCA, IBA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:07:40 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04398 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (209-122-247-252.s252.tnt26.brd.erols.com [209.122.247.252]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01680 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:07:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be400a$3d817ee0$fcf77ad1@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Mazeltov Todd. Well, I just went outside in the rain to pull the frozen cover off my bike to check the odo. And, as I haven't ridden since I got back from FL, I put 23092 miles on my F3 last year. Not bad, but I was hoping for 55K on the bike by end of February, so I would have 50K miles on the bike (that I put on - it had 5k on it when I got it) by the third anniversary of its purchase. I don't think I'm going to make it. Oh well. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Todd Peer said: Well, my personal goal was to get around 20,000 miles for the year in 1998. My actual total for 1998 was 28,500 miles ridden with close to 8,000 of those miles put on my CB750...WooHOOO! It certainly helped that I put an additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04634 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 322; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <369E6F1F.A5AB6DE6@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:26:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: YMMV References: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > It certainly helped that I put an > additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. I can't wait to get a chance to ride around like that. I'd be in heaven. Hmm, how long 'til retirement? :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:29:24 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04715 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: <369E6F9D.7952C041@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:28:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: YMMV References: <000101be400a$3d817ee0$fcf77ad1@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > > Mazeltov Todd. > > Well, I just went outside in the rain to pull the frozen cover off my bike > to check the odo. That's why we love you, Linda. You got the right kind of priorities! My kind of Gal! :) (PS: There's still plenty of time to hit 55k before the end of Feb.) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:31:14 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04792 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 247; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: <369E702C.3FE1E79D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:31:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: YMMV References: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see, I put on about 4000 miles with the old LTD before it broke down once too often at the end of March 1998. (I probably should have kept it, evidently the new owner has had no problems with it.) Picked up the Concours March 30th, and closed out the year just shy of 24,000 miles (I turned 24K on our abbreviated Polar Bear run Jan. 1st.). Damn, that's only 28,000 for the year. I rode maybe another 2 or 3 hundred on our other bikes, but I think you still got me by a little bit. Way to go, Todd! I found that you get a one-year free membership in the Kawasaki Good Times Owner's Club (Let the Good Times Roll, and all that crap) if you ride 100,000 miles on your bike. The day I bought the Connie, I made it a goal to get there in three years (that's when the factory unlimited miles warranty ran out). So far, I'm just a little bit shy of that pace (hey, it's been cold and icy lately!). Gotta make it up soon. Daytona anyone? :) The Concours has been rock solid in that time, too. Aside from the 5 tires it's seen, I had a cargo strap in the right saddlebag let go. New bag under warranty. Oh yeah, I also had to replace a $1 taillight bulb. Probably could have made that a warranty item, too, but didn't bother. Todd Peer wrote: > > So, let's hear it all you Long Distance Riders, and not just the IBA > types. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 24,500 miles 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 10,060 miles (last I checked) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 18:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05292 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TLKSa27768 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:57:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <204e4b08.369e764f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:57:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I don't want to start a flame war (started one on a ZX list already) , just need data from members of the club. Of the faster folks (on sport-bikes) on the list I would like to know who uses the rear brake instinctively, i.e while riding fast on the twisties and who like me has to think about using it in slow moving traffic and when I am not riding particularly fast and coming to a straightline stop. To save the front pads when I can. Folks who ride fast on cruisers (with a rear weight bias and less powerful front brakes) probably need to use the rear brake so I don't need info from you. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 18:48:33 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06035 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-49-162.s162.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.162]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14852; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:48:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369E886D.B45EA960@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:14:37 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <204e4b08.369e764f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He he he..some of us have been lurking 2nd hand through the ZX list war (kinda funny) I'm of the type that uses both brakes all the time. However, the front brakes do 90% of the work. On the track in particular, I use the rear brake to squat the entire bike down coming into turns 1 and 6 at Summit, and elswhere on the track, particularly turns 3 and 10, I use the rear brake a tad to kick the back end out a touch and shoot through the corner on a steeper line and cut underneath people and get a better drive onto the following straights. None of the sweepers at Summit are really long enough to trail into (although I sometimes trail into T1 if i'm still a bit too hot). On the street, I use the rear on occasion. Particularly when I find myself into a corner a little faster than I like, I gently ease on the rear brake to scrub off some speed while not forcing the bike back upright. using the front in this situation stands the bike up and makes cornering more difficult... Take all this with a grain of salt though... I started on dirt bikes nad enduros at age 8 and spent lots of years off road, so sliding doesn't bother me one bit at all (on the contrary..I think it's fun sometimes). Back when I used to race dirt bikes though, 9 times out of 10 if I was using the rear brake, it usually would be mid jump to control the angle of the bike in the air (slowing the rear wheel causes its rotation to be transmitted into the rest of the bike and bring the nose back down...) I guess the short answer is that I grew up using the both the front and the rear brake together, and have been doing it for 18 years now, so it's something I do now pretty much without thinking about it... (crappy weather is a different story..tend to go lots slower and use the rear brake a lot more..) Collin Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Of the faster folks (on sport-bikes) on the list I would like to know who uses > the rear brake instinctively, i.e while riding fast on the twisties -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:07:21 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06364 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EUHHa03210; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:02:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:02:14 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Collin you sneak. I also started with motocross and used alot of rear brake. My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and intermediate riders is dangerous. The guy who started the thread was complaining of sliding his rear wheel when braking and it was obvious to me that he was braking as if in a car. I too use it but only when I think about it and when I panic (and I do occasionally) my first reaction is to ignore the rear which in a panic would probably get slammed harder than desired. Anyway, I guess I have to be careful on the ZX list one never knows who may be lurking. :-)) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:36:59 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06948 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust025.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.25]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26411; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:38:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990115003106.006b3a88@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:31:06 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Interesting. Virginia allows parents to teach their kids to ride even if neither parent has a motorcycle license. This sounds much more reasonable than I would have expected from them. Leon. At 10:50 AM 1/14/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >I noticed that Learner's Permits for motorcycles are now >available. > >http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/mclearnperm.htm > > >Motorcycle Learner's Permit > > Virginia will begin offering a motorcycle learner's >permit, effective > January 1, 1999. > > This learner's permit allows you to operate a >motorcycle between > one half hour after sunrise and one half hour >after sunset. In other > words, you may operate the motorcycle only during >daylight > hours. > > You are not allowed on limited access highways, >such as interstate > highways. > > You must wear an approved safety helmet. > > You must be supervised by a person at least 21 >years old who is > licensed to operate a motorcycle or who is your >parent, legal > guardian or sibling. No one, other than the >operator can be on the > motorcycle. > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> At 10:10 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >> >Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. >> >> http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ >> >> Chris Norloff > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:39:42 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06958 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA25945 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:39:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv11-22.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.22) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025900; Thu Jan 14 18:38:31 1999 Message-ID: <022101be401f$47d8b1a0$165e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip - A couple more notes! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:37:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well, I'll be picking up Hugh at the Burger King at 0645, is there = anyone else looking for a ride from there so we know whether to wait or = not. =20 Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 8:31 PM Subject: NYC Bus Trip - A couple more notes! >Not sure if I mentioned this before, but due to lack of interest in=20 >chipping in for a deposit, there will be no alcoholic beverages=20 >allowed on the bus. Food and non-alcoholic beverages are fine. > >Also, for those folks not on the dc-cycles mailing list, it appears=20 >that the Burger King on Rte 7 in Sterling is going to be a carpool=20 >meeting place. At least two people will be meeting there at 6:45=20 >AM. So, if you are in the Leesburg/Sterling/Herndon/Reston area,=20 >you might want to stop by there if you are interested in carpooling. > >I guess that's it for now! A mere 60 hours from now we will all be=20 >on the bus, heading north! :-) > >Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:50:01 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07135 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:49:59 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup51.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.51]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F5K004MOSY0UV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:49:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage To: dc-cycles Message-id: <001001be4020$eddf0620$334937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Collin you sneak. I also started with motocross and used alot of rear brake. >My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and >intermediate riders is dangerous. I'd have to say that using the rear brake is LESS dangerous than the front, especially in a turn. Controlling a rear wheel slide is a lot easier than saving a front end slide. It also can be fun(when you expect it). I think brakes are dangerous in general, unless you're upright. Overloading the front in asking for trouble. Throttle control will do more for you than any type of braking manuver. Certain circumstances aside, the right amount of throttle will give you traction where you need it by transferring weight to the rear tire. >The guy who started the thread was >complaining of sliding his rear wheel when braking and it was obvious to me >that he was braking as if in a car. I too use it but only when I think about >it and when I panic (and I do occasionally) my first reaction is to ignore the >rear which in a panic would probably get slammed harder than desired. >Fred Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 21:01:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08343 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10871 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03525 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10518 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:23 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BWINa04794; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:54:29 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4582e74.369e9fd5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:54:29 EST To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/13/99 7:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: << Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? -Sean Jordan >> If it is, I've been putting Washington, DC on all my mail. SW DC is the SW quadrant of DC by the fishmarket. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 21:37:34 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08882 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA29929; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:39:04 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029616; Thu, 14 Jan 99 21:38:47 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5K00EUZY0GNS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566FA.000E4216 ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:35:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:34:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used To: Leon Begeman Cc: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566FA.000DFAB6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I wouldn't count on it Leon ... I am more inclined to believe that the text of the reg is as poorly written as I would have expected from them. :-) --chris To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Leon Begeman Date: 01/15/99 12:31:06 AM GMT Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Interesting. Virginia allows parents to teach their kids to ride even if neither parent has a motorcycle license. This sounds much more reasonable than I would have expected from them. Leon. At 10:50 AM 1/14/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: --snip--> > You must be supervised by a person at least 21 >years old who is > licensed to operate a motorcycle or who is your >parent, legal > guardian or sibling. No one, other than the >operator can be on the > motorcycle. > --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 00:34:17 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11681 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-49-162.s162.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.162]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27687 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:34:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369EDA06.9FC3C7C9@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:02:46 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used References: <852566FA.000DFAB6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The way I see it, it means a parent can supervise a permit holder in a parking lot or something where they aren't actually on a bike. Cause we all know they'd bust someone for not having a motorcycle license if they happen to pull the supervisor over for something... CT christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > I wouldn't count on it Leon ... I am more inclined to believe that the text > of the reg is as poorly written as I would have expected from them. : From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 01:33:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12608 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14051 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.tcbi.com (mail.tcbi.com [156.46.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA08043 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ace [156.46.215.5] by mail.tcbi.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A13B2CE019A; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:33:31 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01be4051$7d82b800$05d72e9c@ace> From: "Ace" To: "Garcia Oliver" , Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: black box/igniter question Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:37:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I have used newer GSX-R black boxes on my old '87 GSX-R (had to do some light rewiring) but for the MOST part, Suzuki boxes from similar bikes (ie.92 750 and 95 1100) should work John Mahlendorf ace@XXXXXX RF1000RR -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: black box/igniter question >Given the exorbitant price of mc electronics, does anyone have >information about or experience with: > >(a) using/modifying igniters from one manufacturer on another's machines? > >(b) using/modifying car ignition electronics on bikes? > >Thanks. > >--garcia > > >"When you come to a fork in the road, take it." (Yogi Berra) >"Grab the knives and spoons, too." (garcia) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 07:31:18 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18747 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:31:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151231.HAA18747@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:32:37 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:31:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well, considering I killed my VF500 at the start of the year and didn't have anything to ride till April.. and even that was just an XT250.. I had a low year. I put about 5k miles on the XT between May 4th and July 4th.. from July 4th till the end of the year, I managed to rack up 13,500 miles on the VFR. This is all local riding, with my only overnight trips being ones to the track (only 90 miles away anyway). Not to bad for a local area only rider.. ;) (in half a year). Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 07:40:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18828 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:40:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151240.HAA18828@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:41:55 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:40:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hrm, I think I qualify... and (since we already hashed this out once), I believe I'm of the minority. I use my rear brake a lot - everywhere. Er, wait.. I don't use a LOT of the rear brake ever, but it gets touched a lot. I do NOT cover it ever (well, when I was practicing wheelies I did.. but that's different). Also, my rear brake has been adjusted, by me, to only lightly grab the rotor. I think I managed to lock it up once (I was attempting to lock it) since I did that. For the most part, if I'm out with 'da boys', it's used to signal a corner, set the bike for turn in and then my toe's are back on the pegs. I have to THINK about doing that though.. it's part of the process I go through when approaching a corner... Brian > -----Original Message----- > Of the faster folks (on sport-bikes) on the list I would like > to know who uses > the rear brake instinctively, i.e while riding fast on the > twisties and who > like me has to think about using it in slow moving traffic > and when I am not > riding particularly fast and coming to a straightline stop. > To save the front > pads when I can. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 08:09:06 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19298 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA29031 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:08:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151308.IAA29031@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: YMMV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:08:00 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Bought my bike in March, put about 4500 miles till crashing on June 6th; bought another in middle of July, put another 4500 miles till December. Total: 2 bikes 1 crash 9000 miles. Bike is used on weekends, sometimes for a ride to work. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 08:11:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19312 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17824 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13065 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566FA.0047B4EB ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:03:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566FA.00474A8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:03:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I wouldn't count on it Leon ... I am more inclined to believe that the text of the reg is as poorly written as I would have expected from them. I agree. They probably just didn't write it properly. And if they did, then it just goes to prove that lawmakers don't allow common sense to cloud their judgements. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:05:32 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21148 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id KAA24741; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:01:15 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa24451; Fri, 15 Jan 99 10:00:30 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5L00F3MWEUPQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566FA.00526004 ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:59:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:56:18 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566FA.0050E7A8.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Well, I'm no fast rider, having started only last year, but I use the rear brake nearly every time I come to a straight-line stop. This is from conscious effort when I was first learning to ride, and it's stuck with me long enough to become an unconscious action. As for the occasional braking while in a turn, I still have a lot of discipline to turn into instinct. I still find myself using the front brake to correct my line through turns sometimes. I know this is exactly the wrong reaction (an "SR" for those "Twist of the Wrist" readers out there), and I'm working on eliminating it. Chris Weaver '92 Seca II ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:08:13 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21151 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 205; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:06:19 -0500 Message-ID: <369F59D5.80667F97@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:08:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC Cycles T-shirts References: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> <4.1.19990114144108.018ce6d0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > I needed the reminder, Yeah, me too. My order went out in the mail today. Thanks! Dale (the Horkster) 1995 Chrysler Concorde (sigh...I hate ice) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:27:29 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21462 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA10108; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:26:02 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115152644.EZAV5654@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:26:44 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:25:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be409b$51625560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <369E702C.3FE1E79D@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > I found that you get a one-year free membership in the Kawasaki > Good Times Owner's Club (Let the Good Times Roll, and all that crap) > if you ride 100,000 miles on your bike. The day I bought the > Connie, I made it a goal to get there in three years (that's when > the factory unlimited miles warranty ran out). So far, > I'm just a little bit shy of that pace (hey, it's been cold and icy > lately!). Gotta make it up soon. Daytona anyone? :) I'd say you are doing better than that pace based on the assumption that had you owned the Connie in January last year, you would have ridden more often in those first three months. Way to go Dale! Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:58:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21954 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA15960; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:54:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115155724.FENH5654@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:57:24 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:56:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be409f$99d9ad30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <199901151231.HAA18747@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal Not bad at all! T > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 7:31 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: YMMV > > > Well, considering I killed my VF500 at the start of the year and > didn't have > anything to ride till April.. and even that was just an XT250.. I > had a low > year. I put about 5k miles on the XT between May 4th and July 4th.. from > July 4th till the end of the year, I managed to rack up 13,500 > miles on the > VFR. This is all local riding, with my only overnight trips being ones to > the track (only 90 miles away anyway). Not to bad for a local area only > rider.. ;) (in half a year). > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:01:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22044 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151600.LAA22044@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:02:01 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" , "'VFR'" Subject: 86 VF500f Owners manual Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:00:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I have said owners manual sitting in a drawer at home. Free to anyone who wants it (preference will be given to the 'locals' in DC).. let me know.. Oh yea, it's in good shape, no oil or dirt marks.. nothing written inside it.. like you care though.. :P Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:10:14 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22146 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:10:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990115161542.9431.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:15:42 PST Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Leaving for a couple weeks To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll be going off-list for two weeks. My employer is sending me out of the country. I'll see some of you on the bus tomorrow. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:20:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22368 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 306 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <369F6AE3.543A17D5@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:20:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <048101be3fce$c4989760$410fa1ce@anita> <369E0F59.6EA4@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who replied with advice. I've got one more rookie question - The new vehicle still has a factory warranty - is there anything special I have to do to get the warranty transferred to me? Maybe I should read up on all the docs I got when I bought my Concours, there might be a hint in all that stuff. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:55:56 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22896 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26337; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:55:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199901151655.LAA26337@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:54:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Leaving for a couple weeks Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990115161542.9431.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 15 Jan 99, at 8:15, Ray wrote: > I'll be going off-list for two weeks. My employer is sending me out > of the country. I'll see some of you on the bus tomorrow. > Ray Ray, Glad you're still going to be able to make the trip! And, I'm doubly glad that the crummy weather was today rather than tomorrow! What a mess that would have been! Of course, now the sun is out and everything is melting... but it wasn't looking so good at 8:30 am when my car doors were frozen shut, and my bike was covered by 3/4" of ice. Brrr! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 12:01:27 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23040 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:01:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151701.MAA23040@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:01:15 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:01:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Are you buying a cage or something Dale? sheesh.. :P > > I've got one more rookie question - The new vehicle still > has a factory warranty - is there anything special I have > to do to get the warranty transferred to me? Maybe I should > read up on all the docs I got when I bought my Concours, > there might be a hint in all that stuff. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 12:46:22 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23806 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA30361 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:46:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199901151746.MAA30361@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:44:42 -0500 Subject: At the show tomorrow... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Turns out it was 9.5 "foot" walls instead of 9.5 "inch" walls! :-) ------------------------ Thrill to the precision and control of TEAM EXTREME as they complete mountain goat-type stunts such as traversing 9 1/2-foot walls and 6-foot vertical launches. A wild obstacle course showcases the largest contingent of top riders from around the world, including World Champion Tommi Ahvala, from Finland. Laying the groundwork for a Guinness Book of World Records attempt, performances are: Fri., Jan. 15, at 2:00, 4:30 and 8:00 p.m.; Sat., Jan. 16, at Noon, 2:30, 5:30 and 8:00 p.m.; and Sun, Jan. 17, at Noon, 2:30 and 5:00 p.m. A live-action camera event! --------------------------- from http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990115/ny_cycle_w_1.html Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 13:27:16 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24486 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <369F8874.7B684F65@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:27:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <199901151701.MAA23040@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now what would I do with another cage? I already hate the one we have... ;) McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Are you buying a cage or something Dale? sheesh.. :P -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 14:37:20 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25657 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:36:46 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E45E@ZEUS> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:36:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) <> My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and intermediate riders is dangerous. I've only been riding for the past two years which is why I try to practice hard breaking using both the front break and rear break without sliding. However... Coming to work on the Franconia-Springfield parkway a couple of months ago, I was doing a little weaving in and out of traffic. Fun, but stupid, because I know this one section tends to get backed up. To my surprise, from the middle lane to the left lane, I saw nothing but tail lights. Oops! For as much practice as I thought I did, I accidently stomped on the rear. The rear tire locked, and it started to skid hard to the left. Per my MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple of quick counter steers. Conclusion. Pay more attention to road. More practice with hard breaking. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:02 PM > To: gixer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage > > Collin you sneak. I also started with motocross and used alot of rear > brake. > My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and > intermediate riders is dangerous. The guy who started the thread was > complaining of sliding his rear wheel when braking and it was obvious to > me > that he was braking as if in a car. I too use it but only when I think > about > it and when I panic (and I do occasionally) my first reaction is to ignore > the > rear which in a panic would probably get slammed harder than desired. > > Anyway, I guess I have to be careful on the ZX list one never knows who > may be > lurking. :-)) > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 14:59:00 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25979 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: FW: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:58:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > <> > > I still find myself using the front brake > to correct my line through turns sometimes. I know this is exactly the > wrong reaction (an "SR" for those "Twist of the Wrist" readers out there), > and I'm working on eliminating it. > > As a new rider myself, I have learned a lot from "Twist of the Wrist". > I try to adjust entry speed for all corners so that I don't use any > brakes. > Usually, I think that both my feet are on the pegs. In a turn, I tried > tapping > the front brake to get an idea of how the bike would react. The bike > has a tendency toward reducing your lean angle by wanting to > stand up. Per the book, I try to make line corrections using steering and > throttle control. One of the best tips from the book was how to handle > "too fast" entry into a turn where you feel that you ought to break > becuase > your going wide. Instead of breaking, you need to lean harder into the > turn and apply more throttle. Tricky at first, but definitely fun. > > Tony > CBR 600 F3 > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:11:51 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26189 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 204; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: <369FA0FA.43651BA8@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:11:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Suazo, Tony" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E45E@ZEUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suazo, Tony wrote: > Per my > MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire > skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was > getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear > brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple > of quick counter steers. > Conclusion. > Pay more attention to road. > More practice with hard breaking. I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. However, don't forget to focus on the front brake, since it's the front that's really gonna slow you down in time. I just don't see the point of holding the rear brake locked until you stop. And what if you don't stop? What if you slow down sharply but don't have to come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!? The MSF never answers that question. Most likely because you would have the bike sideways at that point. =8^o Dale (the "guess I'm still ranting" Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:35:47 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26702 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10067 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage In-Reply-To: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Instead of breaking, you need to lean harder into the > turn and apply more throttle. Tricky at first, but definitely fun. This advice has somewhat limited applicability. That is, if it seems like you've overcooked the turn and you know it's true because something is starting to scrape, leaning more may not be an option. :) I've done this more than a couple of times on corners that turn out to be decreasing radius. When that happens adding more throttle is still a good idea but so is getting some body weight towards the inside. Maybe someday when I learn how to ride right these things won't be problems... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:39:00 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL ([199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26706 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "Suazo, Tony" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:38:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain When I took the MSF course, I was taught the grab-then-release technique if the motorcycle begins sliding sideways. But we were also taught how to maintain a straight line while locking the rear wheel. That has served me well a couple of times. Mitch Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:12 PM To: Suazo, Tony Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Suazo, Tony wrote: > Per my > MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire > skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was > getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear > brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple > of quick counter steers. > Conclusion. > Pay more attention to road. > More practice with hard breaking. I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. However, don't forget to focus on the front brake, since it's the front that's really gonna slow you down in time. I just don't see the point of holding the rear brake locked until you stop. And what if you don't stop? What if you slow down sharply but don't have to come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!? The MSF never answers that question. Most likely because you would have the bike sideways at that point. =8^o Dale (the "guess I'm still ranting" Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:46:08 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26873 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 98; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <369FA908.1A0FE8B0@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:46:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > > When I took the MSF course, I was taught the grab-then-release > technique if the motorcycle begins sliding sideways. Cool. I don't think it's part of the approved curriculum, but kudos to your instructor for doing it right. :) > But we were also taught how to maintain a straight line while locking > the rear wheel. That has served me well a couple of times. Are you talking about the exercise where you use the rear brake only? I found that exercise to be great fun, but of no real street value. Hooligan value, now? Oh yes, certainly. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 16:16:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27343 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA17655; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:13:59 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115211413.HMCE1406@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:14:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Suazo, Tony" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:13:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be40cb$d76e9580$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <369FA0FA.43651BA8@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Common sense tells me to agree with you Dale. But I think MSF is correct by teaching the ride through method. Practicing this method will be the thing you do when it is needed. And its something that should not be feared. Motorcycles, by design, are really just tandem wheeled trailers. If you lock your rear wheel in a panic brake, engine seizure, chain break, or whatever, you will continue to go where your front wheel is pointed due to the built in design of your motorcycle. This doesn't work in a car because there is no trailoring effect. Slam the brakes in a car and the mass keeps moving in the same direction it was moving when you slammed the brakes. Keith Code discusses this principle in 'Twist of the Wrist II' and the typical 'Survival Reactions' associated with it and how they do a lot less for your chances of survival then you think. Common sense says the best thing to do is correct the mistake (braking to hard) by reversing the mistake (letting off the brake). In fact, it is better to ride through the slide. Check out some flat track racing to witness what happens when the rear wheel gives way. Same principal. <<"What if you slow down sharply but don't have to come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!?">> Answer to the first one is, come to a complete stop. Answer to the second one is, it depends. If your riding profile is generally vertical, then let off the brake whenever you want or just come to a stop. If you let off the brake, be prepared to experience chassis upset. If you are leaned over with the rear locked, the rear of the bike will begin to come around and if you let off the brake then, you risk a high-side. You won't low-side if you continue to steer where you want to go (assuming you still have some traction left at the front tire). In principal, I agree with you. But honestly we shouldn't be putting ourselves in a situation where we are using up traction reserves at the rear wheel. It happens sometimes though so, if you do, then it is better to ride the slide then to risk a high-side crash. I think Tony is lucky he didn't high-side. Todd Dale Horstman ranted > Suazo, Tony wrote: > > > Per my > > MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire > > skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was > > getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear > > brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple > > of quick counter steers. > > > Conclusion. > > Pay more attention to road. > > More practice with hard breaking. > > I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but > kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain > flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about > the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't > let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite > so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. > > However, don't forget to focus on the front brake, since it's the > front that's really gonna slow you down in time. I just don't see > the point of holding the rear brake locked until you stop. And what > if you don't stop? What if you slow down sharply but don't have to > come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake > that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!? The MSF never answers that > question. Most likely because you would have the bike sideways at > that point. =8^o > > Dale (the "guess I'm still ranting" Horkster) > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > 19?? ?? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 16:24:26 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27448 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA32700; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:20:46 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115212329.HNKT1406@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:23:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be40cd$22f88be0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <369FA908.1A0FE8B0@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > > > > When I took the MSF course, I was taught the grab-then-release > > technique if the motorcycle begins sliding sideways. > > Cool. I don't think it's part of the approved curriculum, but > kudos to your instructor for doing it right. :) > > > But we were also taught how to maintain a straight line while locking > > the rear wheel. That has served me well a couple of times. > > Are you talking about the exercise where you use the rear brake > only? I found that exercise to be great fun, but of no real > street value. Hooligan value, now? Oh yes, certainly. :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ Absotively! Now, take a step further and start straight up and then go into a turn with the rear locked up. WooHOoo! Now that's fun. ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 17:41:29 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28747 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23786; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:41:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199901152241.RAA23786@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:39:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Priority: normal References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 15 Jan 99, at 15:35, Kirk Roy wrote: > This advice has somewhat limited applicability. That is, if it seems like > you've overcooked the turn and you know it's true because something is > starting to scrape, leaning more may not be an option. :) Ahhhh... the memories that brings back... a lovely August morning... scraping peg for the first time... consciously trying to lean more, apply more throttle, look through the turn... and then my rear wheel was levered off the ground...oops! So much for good intentions! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 18:24:17 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29483 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:24:15 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2GYDa01221; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:19:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <375c5453.369fcceb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:19:07 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This appears to be twilight zone time. I am in a frenzied flame war (with people I've never met) regarding rear brake usage on another list and I find a good-natured discussion on DC Cycles on the same subject. Oh well, got to get into an aggressive mood and respond to personal insults on the other list, ciao for now. Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 18:59:58 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00125 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust033.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.33]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29340; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:02:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990115235523.006b5638@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:55:23 -0500 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Now that is the Twilight Zone, everyone here knows this should be the list with flames. My opinion - - Sometimes the rear wheel slides, sometimes it doesn't, the brake should always get released eventually. In the classroom, I follow the curriculum. I also recommend students practice all riding techniques in a safe place and on their own. Leon. At 06:19 PM 1/15/99 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >This appears to be twilight zone time. I am in a frenzied flame war (with >people I've never met) regarding rear brake usage on another list and I find a >good-natured discussion on DC Cycles on the same subject. Oh well, got to get >into an aggressive mood and respond to personal insults on the other list, >ciao for now. > >Fred > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 19:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00578 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VNMPa20554; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:20:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:20:51 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/15/99 6:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << Now that is the Twilight Zone, everyone here knows this should be the list with flames. >> Actually, being a list that is relatively local make flame wars less likely. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 21:27:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02564 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27559 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA04948 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23047 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:29 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6JUNa15290; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:22:16 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:22:16 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Government bldgs (even leased) in Arlington, VA retain Wash, DC addresses. Is that confusing? In a message dated 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. > Date: 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? > > > >At 07:38 PM 1/13/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: > >You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, > >SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. > > > >I'm not sure why you are confused! > >Anita > > > Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of > Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond > shape, on the west side of the Potomac River). > > But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the > river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account > for your thinking it didn't exist. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) > by air-yd02.mx.aol.com (v56.14) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:35 -0500 > Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) > by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id IAA17967; > Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:26 -0500 (EST) > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix. > com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24471 for ; Thu, > 14 Jan 1999 08:13:33 -0500 (EST) > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29944 > for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0500 (EST) > Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128. > 8.120.90]) > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10468 > for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:28 -0500 (EST) > Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) > by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01255 > for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) > Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com > (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD75CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:25 EDT > Message-Id: <4.1.19990114081651.00fd0b50@XXXXXX> > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:19:04 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Chris Norloff > Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. > In-Reply-To: <199901140040.TAA10106@XXXXXX> > References: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@XXXXXX> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 22:18:31 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03325 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:18:29 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CMABa27784; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:17:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1b16a3d2.36a004b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:17:05 EST To: Boiade@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Are you recommending reliance on the front brake, using the rear break ilightly? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 22:25:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03408 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28029 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA05768 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:21:36 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: <005701be4100$1697b8c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <369F6AE3.543A17D5@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal There should be a card in the owner's manual that you mail back to the company. Or go to the dealer with the new title. Given the quality of dealers around here, I'd go with the former. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 22:35:48 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03627 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:35:46 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29752; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:35:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901160335.WAA29752@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage To: STARAI@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:35:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: Boiade@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1b16a3d2.36a004b1@aol.com> from "STARAI@aol.com" at Jan 15, 99 10:17:05 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Are you recommending reliance on the front brake, using the rear break > ilightly? > Yes, unless you have a LBS (Linked Brakes System). Then use front lever only. If someone will tell you that with LBS you cannot lock rear wheel, ask Brian MC - he was behind me on 211 in June when I managed to lock rear in a classis panic situation. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 04:20:49 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA11613 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:20:47 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6GTRa19751; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7306d7a0.36a059ab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:19:39 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/15/99 10:17:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI writes: << Are you recommending reliance on the front brake, using the rear break ilightly? >> I recommend that the use of the rear brake be an exception, used when coming to a stop in a straight line on dry pavement, when riding slowly on ice or gravel. What I believe it is dangerous to have rear brake usage become an instinctive action like pushing the brake pedal on the car. Under normal circumstances your first reaction in a panic situation should be to squeeze the front brake lever and leave the rear alone. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 09:35:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16103 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04777 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11989 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DY4E2HAE; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:38 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on buying used Message-ID: <19990116.093348.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <005701be4100$1697b8c0$6e0000c0@demon.clinitec> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:38 EST On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:27:04 -0500 "George Howell" writes: >There should be a card in the owner's manual that you mail back to the >company. Or go to the dealer with the new title. > >Given the quality of dealers around here, I'd go with the former. Ouch. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 10:44:20 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17024 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DY4JWDPU; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:43:17 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Regarding Rear Brakes Message-ID: <19990116.103914.8207.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4,14-15,30-33 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:43:17 EST Anyone learn the "Slow, Look, Lean, Roll" braking/cornering method? The following is taken verbatim from MCN's October '98 Proficient Motorcycling article: "SLOW Approaching a curve, you need to decelerate to a speed at which you predict you can make the turn. Obviously, we'll roll off the throttle approaching tighter curves. Ideally, we will slow the bike before leaning over into the turn, and apply both brakes in addition to rolling off the gas. Why brake? Because braking on the front may be required to decelerate for conditions which only come into view as you get closer. If front braking isn't part of your cornering habits, your 'survival' reaction is likely to be standing on the rear brake (and then taking a soil sample). It's smart to brake with the bike vertical (while in a straight line), because that allows maximum-effort braking if needed." This is the method that I try to follow when cornering. Unfortunately, I learned to ride using the rear brake only and rode that way for years, so sometimes I find my first reaction is to jump on the rear brake in a panic situation. I have taught myself that the front brake is my friend and I am slowly unlearning my bad habit. I know the front brake handles most of the stopping, but I see no reason not to use the rear brake in most situations. OTOH, I am no racer (yet) so my way may not be right for anyone but me. OTOOH, I've not had an accident by failing to stop or to avoid something. I've only crashed by riding too slowly (drunk as a skunk) and falling over like Artie Johnson on a tricycle, or by the front wheel washing out in the entrance of my old gravel driveway which I attribute to too much lean angle for the road surface and to poor maintenance, because the left handgrip slipped off the bar right at that moment and I had known it was loose for days. Two really stupid reasons to crash... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 10:47:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17101 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.36] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A37848AC009E; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:42:48 EST Message-ID: <36A0B503.D1D94C6B@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:49:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <375c5453.369fcceb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > into an aggressive mood and respond to personal insults on the other list, > ciao for now. Kick 'em where it hurts, Fred! :) Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 19:53:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25392 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10457 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20332 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:53:38 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IUBWa20555; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:52:15 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6291f9d4.36a1343f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:52:15 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bad Business... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I hate to bad mouth a company in such a public forum, but I feel that if given more than enough chances to make good with no avail, this is how it has to be. Kiernan Racing Supplies still has not sent me a refund check for 2 tires and a pair of winter riding gloves that I ordered and never heard about. I contacted them on the 2nd of this month after numerous other times trying to contact them and they said they would send a refund, well, here it is the 16th and still nothing. I know snail mail is slow, but comeon.... I know some of you are personal friends or have had no problems with keith or KRS, and Im not trying to slander him, but I just felt if business is gonna be run like this, people should know so they dont suffer the same fate. Ok, done venting.... for now.... Sean.... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 02:59:35 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02461 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-59-110.s300.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.110]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA08710 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:59:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A199E9.C501D07F@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:06:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> <199901152241.RAA23786@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To an extent though the original advice holds true if you're dragging hard parts...By rolling on the throttle you can gain some of that ground clearance back and make the turn....but of course, this goes completely against natural instinct, and I'm talking just tapping down the hard parts, not once they are fully snugged up with the pavement and digging in :) At that point, you'd better hope the exit of the curve is opening up so you have somewhere to go! The beautiful thing about sport bikes is that the stock pegs fold up :) giving you all the ground clearance in the world.....Bikes stuck with a centerstand, on the other hand, there isn't much forgiveness once it meets the pavement.. > > On 15 Jan 99, at 15:35, Kirk Roy wrote: > > > This advice has somewhat limited applicability. That is, if it seems like > > you've overcooked the turn and you know it's true because something is > > starting to scrape, leaning more may not be an option. :) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:01:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02544 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14879 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24155 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:58:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Fine job Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: <006401be41ef$ebc68e00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Kudos to Anita for a fine job organizing the trip to NY. 'Twas quite a bit of fun, and hopefully we can get her to plan it again next year. I know I couldn't have done that job. Special thanks goes out to everyone I met for the first time today who completely ruined the mental picture I had associated with your virtual persona. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:04:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02554 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14902 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24167 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Bad Business... Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01be41f0$5762c5c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <6291f9d4.36a1343f@aol.com> Importance: Normal Can't comment on this particular business, but if you have a real gripe, you can report them to the US Postal Service for mail fraud (or whatever the crime is. If you are accurate in your reporting of events, they sound guilty of it.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:11:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02680 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14973 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24243 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:07:38 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401be41f1$406a88c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19990116.093348.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:27:04 -0500 "George Howell" > writes: > >There should be a card in the owner's manual that you mail back to the > >company. Or go to the dealer with the new title. > > > >Given the quality of dealers around here, I'd go with the former. > > Ouch. Hopefully, it's understood that that's a generality. We all have found dealers here and there who are great, helpful, courteous, etc, etc. And even in the poor dealerships, getting to know the right people (service guys and parts people!) helps get lots of things done after the purchase. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:13:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02816 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14997 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24281 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-59-110.s300.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.110]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09354; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:12:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A19D10.3A4983E6@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:19:28 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Fine job References: <006401be41ef$ebc68e00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Absolutely!! Great time. Good show, and the Team Extreme trials demonstration was beyond words! If you ever get the opportunity, GO SEE some of these type riders compete. Their overall control and knowledge of their bikes is incredible. As always, I see the normal 3 am gang is up and emailing ;-) Collin George Howell wrote: > > Kudos to Anita for a fine job organizing the trip to NY. 'Twas quite a bit > of fun, From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:13:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02826 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15003 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24285 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:10:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00a501be41f1$98f0e340$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A199E9.C501D07F@geocities.com> Importance: Normal > The beautiful thing about sport bikes is that the stock pegs fold up :) > giving you all the ground clearance in the world.....Bikes stuck with a > centerstand, on the other hand, there isn't much forgiveness once it > meets the pavement.. But if you've got a centrestand, all you have to do is grind enough of it down (on a grinding wheel or pavement: your choice) to the point where the pegs touch first:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:17:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02909 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15032 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24298 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-59-110.s300.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.110]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09593 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A19E17.CC01B8A5@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:23:51 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <00a501be41f1$98f0e340$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He he he... I'm working on it :) The maxim is getting there, but they used good steel for the center stand. Guess I better get out and ride more.... hope tomorrow is as warm and nice as they say it's supposed to be! George Howell wrote: > But if you've got a centrestand, all you have to do is grind enough of it > down (on a grinding wheel or pavement: your choice) to the point where the > pegs touch first:) > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 10:32:55 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11289 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s4.wizard.net [206.161.15.34]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21650 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <00b301be422f$d110fc40$220fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" Subject: Bus Trip! [Long] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well, as the completey unbiased organizer of the trip, I'd have to say it was an unqualified success! :-) Everything worked out better than I could have expected, and none of my worries came true! Let's see... I've never done a "ride report" for a bus trip before.. but I'll give it a shot! :-) First miracle of the day... everyone showed up on time! Not "dc-cycles time" but really on time! Everyone was present and accounted for by 7:50 AM and we were on the road by 8:00 AM. And, boy, did we travel in style! I had no idea what to expect as far as the bus went.. but we got a humdinger! A $300K "motorcoach" that towered over everything else on the road... it seemed pretty much brand new, or at least extremely well-maintained. The sound system worked well, and the motorcycle videos went over very well. And, the onboard "facilities" were cramped, but very useable. The driver was a bit stuffy at first (never even told me his name!), but warmed up a bit by the time we got to NYC. He told us about a prime-picture taking opportunity, and even told a joke (sort of). I can definitely recommend National Coach of Fredericksburg for anyone planning a charter trip! Second miracle of the day... NO traffic on the way up... not even congestion at the toll plazas! We made it to the convention center in 3.5 hours... left at 8 am and were dropped off at 11:30 am. Now, my family is up in NY so I make the DC-NY trip a couple times year... I can only recall one trip in 17 years where I didn't hit *any* traffic. And, no, Scooter, those 10 cars at the Lincoln Tunnel toll plaza do not count as traffic! :-) There was a little bit of traffic on the way back, but we still made it in 4 hours or so, including a rest stop. And, yes, next time I'll make sure we stop on the way up! :-) We were just making such great time I thought it'd be better to just get there! I'll let others comment on the new bikes.. there were *tons* of them.. it was great to see stuff in person rather than in magazines. Didn't see anything I wanted to trade my GPZ for, but when I get that 10-bike garage I saw a few I'd add to my collection! :-) I ordered the Ventura rack and bag I had been wanting, and got a 15% show discount. I saw a lot of other people get off the bus with goodies, so I think the shopping was pretty good! :-) My only error (if you can call it that) was thinking I'd stay at the show for the whole time... that's too long. The best plan would be to do something else "touristy" while you are there. I know some people went over the Empire State Building. I wanted to go on the Circle Line boat tour, but the times didn't work out.. next year I'll call ahead and plan accordingly. For those of you who haven't done it before, the Circle Line is a great way to see the city. My other "change" would be to make some designated meeting times... the show is *so* big, and there are *so* many people, you just get lost. I saw Collin and Brian at 11:45 am, and then didn't run into anyone else I knew for 3 hours! I did hook up with some folks for dinner though.. and we were pleasantly surprised by the food and prices at the Gold Rush Bar & Grill just a few blocks from the convention center. I can definitely recommend that place if you're in the neighborhood! By the end of the day I know everyone was glad to see the bus pull up. There was some confusion on my part because I miscounted in the morning...so I thought we were missing someone (besides the person who was going to stay in NYC with a relative). At that point I was *very* tired! :-) We left about 8:30 pm to head back down here and arrived safely back at the commuter lot by 12:30 am or so. Overall, the trip far exceeded my expectations... no one got mugged (!!), we travelled in style for a great price, drooled over a bunch of great bikes, and we got to make lots of new friends! I have no problem doing it again next year! :-) Anita (tour guide extraordinaire!) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 13:01:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13406 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20172 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28351 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:01:01 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WHVOa04329; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6eccee4d.36a2250a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:59:38 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fine job Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/17/99 3:06:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Kudos to Anita for a fine job organizing the trip to NY. 'Twas quite a bit of fun, and hopefully we can get her to plan it again next year. I know I couldn't have done that job. Special thanks goes out to everyone I met for the first time today who completely ruined the mental picture I had associated with your virtual persona. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell >> Agreed. Anita did a GREAT job and I can't wait 'til next year. Maybe I'll have more money to buy stuff. :-) Yes, I'll take that $600 helmet and $300 leather jacket. hehe I didn't realize I had a virtual persona. I just thought I had a holographic projection of myself. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 13:03:08 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13409 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:49:31 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc'" Subject: RE: Bus Trip! [Long] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401be4242$8d985cc0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <00b301be422f$d110fc40$220fa1ce@anita> Importance: Normal Note for next year: Beware the tapes of death. When I dropped that one out of the bin last night, I was sure it was gonna hit the driver:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 23:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22305 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.172.153] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6BA48201C4; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:21:14 EST Message-ID: <36A2B849.E0C74DC@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:27:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tracy at Work Subject: Oh Happy Day! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Made a little purchase today. Tracy has been wanting to upgrade for a while from her 1987 Suzuki Savage to a bike that is a little more suitable for relaxed touring with me on vacation, as well as commuting to work. She also wants more cargo capacity and weather protection than what the Savage provides (ahem - NONE!). She also wanted a bike with a slightly more sporty disposition so that she can have fun in the twisties like Dear Husband. She has also been hinting around at possibly trying out this Long Distance riding stuff on her own. She needed something better. Much, much better. :) Me, I sensed the opportunity to add another Kawasaki to the stable. :) Anyway, long story short, we are now the proud owners of a (ANOTHER) 1998 Kawasaki Concours! I rode the bike home today - 1 previous owner, garage kept, wonderful condition, low miles, and a deal that I just couldn't pass up. This is one sweet machine. I should know. :) Tracy and I are gonna look pretty cute on the road now with our matching bikes. I guess that means now I'll have to wash mine occasionally. Her's is a given. Of course! :) Here's hoping that Tracy will enjoy and love her new bike as much as I love mine! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 01:05:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA23879 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27273 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08361 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:02:13 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Tracy at Work" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: Oh Happy Day! Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:08:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00f401be42a8$ed44ca80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A2B849.E0C74DC@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Please, oh please tell me they aren't color matched. Congratulations. That should be quite a jump up from the Savage. You should go get a hack fitted to one and finally get rid of the cages:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 01:34:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24241 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27490 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08662 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:30:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Harley model designations Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:36:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00f501be42ac$efd6ea40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.harley-davidson.com/products/motorcycles/alpha/alpha.asp Click on that to get the official answer to "what is a FXSRTJANCJFK?" ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 01:37:39 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24320 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13144 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:38:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003801be42ad$3d980160$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: YMMV Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well... despite having the VFR down for a good two and a half months for a rebuild and being sick for almost two months with pneumonia... gee thanks Brian ;-) ... and a bunch of other things I still managed to put about 8000 miles on the old VFR! I was really suprised... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 5:00 PM Subject: YMMV >Been meaning to bring this topic up for a couple days now and since it's on >my mind, here it is. Anybody remember the mileage for the year wars we had >around march of last year? > >Well, my personal goal was to get around 20,000 miles for the year in 1998. >My actual total for 1998 was 28,500 miles ridden with close to 8,000 of >those miles put on my CB750...WooHOOO! It certainly helped that I put an >additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. > >My 1999 goal is 30,000 miles, but I wouldn't mind if I beat that one too :-) > >So, let's hear it all you Long Distance Riders, and not just the IBA types. >I'm willing to bet there are some lurkers here who are more interested in >riding then typing ;) > >Todd >ST1100 >CB750 >VF500F >Member AMA, HSTA, HRCA, IBA > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 07:11:32 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00311 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-110.s47.as2.war.erols.com [207.172.109.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19776 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:11:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901181211.HAA19776@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: Great Job Anita Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:15:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you that went on the NYC trip, great time, good to meet many of you, and GREAT JOB ANITA! For those of you who missed it.....oops, it was a winner. Thanks Anita for all the planning and hard work that went into making this trip so pleasant. Danny '96 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 09:18:06 1999 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02201 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:19:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A842912F0@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Thanks Anita Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:19:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I also want to thank Anita for putting on the trip. I am always impressed by people who can organize events like this. Especially with people like me who mail their checks on the day they're due, then send an e-mail saying "the check is in the mail" (sorry about that). Fortunately, Collins' brother in law managed to get me there on-time (kind of rare for me). The show was good and I managed to go to the top of the empire state bldg. Went for dinner/guiness at the blarney stone. Good place! As and added bonus, the Guiness knocked me out on the trip home. I managed to get my sleep even though I had to get up early the next morning. Thanks again Anita Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 09:42:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02586 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02267 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA14309 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.48] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A75017801C6; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:38:08 EST Message-ID: <36A348E3.7F0F448D@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:44:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List , Tracy at Work Subject: Re: Oh Happy Day! References: <00f401be42a8$ed44ca80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Please, oh please tell me they aren't color matched. I don't have a choice. All 98 Connies are "Luminous Windsor Green and Cosmic Grey" - two-toned no less! I think it'll look pretty cool! :) > Congratulations. That should be quite a jump up from the Savage. You > should go get a hack fitted to one and finally get rid of the cages:) Wouldn't that be a hoot?! Especially if I get that really trick sidecar that actually leans with the bike! What a blast that would be.... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 11:47:18 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04534 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31622 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:47:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199901181647.LAA31622@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:45:23 -0500 Subject: DC Area Riders "Club" on Yahoo Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I thought I'd repost the information on the "club" I set up on Yahoo since we have some new people on dc-cycles. The URL is: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Basically, I used Yahoo's free "club" feature to setup an online site for DC area motorcyclists. There are a number of sections: Messages - [self explanatory] Photos - upload a photo, or link to one on a website Chat - Online chat room News - Quick source for local weather and headlines Links - Add a link to your favorite web page Calendar - Motorcycle related events This is not a dc-cycles specific site, and is not meant to be a replacement for dc-cycles in any way. I started out looking for a solution to the "where does the ride start" messages that sometimes get posted too late for the person to get a reply before the ride starts. It turns out that the Yahoo site has some nice features, and I think it'll be a useful resource. You do have to "register" for a Yahoo ID, but that just takes a couple minutes, and you can be anonymous if you like. Anyhow, just thought I'd mention the site again! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 12:00:33 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04826 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-211.s211.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.211]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21444 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:05:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A369CB.C4AC6394@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:05:15 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Honda Wiring? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey ya'll, I've got a question to relay from Brian. Can anyone out there who has a wiring diagram for an F2/F3 send me the wiring info for the right hand switch gearie run/stop switch, starter button, etc.)?? Brian's working on modifying the F2 gear to match his VFR's wiring and there is one wire difference in the two and he wants to make sure he gets it right... Thanks for any help Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 12:29:01 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05250 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA26566 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:27:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-52.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.180) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026548; Mon Jan 18 11:27:38 1999 Message-ID: <000e01be4307$b8cfa2c0$b472d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: Subject: Re: DC Area Riders "Club" on Yahoo Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:26:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I will second Anitas reccomendation on the Yahoo site, I have had some = fun IRC style chats on other MC related sites on Yahoo, and to get the = ball rolling posted a bike pic on the Scrapbook. Thats probably useful = since after the trip on saturday I realized I knew people better by = their email addresses and bikes than by their face and names. Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: DC Area Riders "Club" on Yahoo >I thought I'd repost the information on the "club" I set up on Yahoo=20 >since we have some new people on dc-cycles.=20 > >The URL is: >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders > >Basically, I used Yahoo's free "club" feature to setup an online site=20 >for DC area motorcyclists. There are a number of sections: From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 13:33:40 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06317 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from big-daddy (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA10881 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:33:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990118133755.006cbc7c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:37:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: [gsxr] GSX-R600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeezzz.... even the GSXR guys give me a hard time ;-) At least they don't know that I don't know the metric system ;-) >Koumis, Bill wrote: > > sorry, your right, the D207's I'm using are street not Gp's. > > My question is: How hard do you push the bike around corners, and are >you > aware when you reach the potential of the tyres. > >I'm not in the Collin Fagen category--I don't even scrape my pegs, let >alone the magneto cover! But I do get the knee down, and the road seems >pretty darn close >to my shoulders. _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 14:20:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07158 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06338 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21824 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Mon Jan 18 13:19 CST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA00179 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:19:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE42ED.945C9390@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:19:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Book Value Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:19:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would someone please e-mail me directly with a URL that lists car prices? (I'm having trouble locating a site which has a listing for a 1985 vehicle) TIA John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 16:58:58 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09836 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from WS111 (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:49:57 -0500 Reply-To: From: "George Howell" Sender: "George Howell" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: George's opinions.. WAS: VZ800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be432c$f5710780$6f0000c0@WS111.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "George Howell" In-Reply-To: <199812171908.OAA08784@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Actually, yes, I like many bikes besides the BMW. If you'd take notice, I'm quite enamored of my Kawasaki Eliminator. 600cc Cruiser that will likely accelerate the pants off most any 800cc bike. Why don't I ride it more? Not enough room for me and a passenger. Considering 80% of my riding is two-up, that's important. Otherwise, I quite like the bike. It also did a fair job in the guise of starter bike for myself, my brother, and re-entry bike for my father. I also enjoy my GL1100 Interstate. Wouldn't have anything else for touring ('cept perhaps a newer Wing or Valkyrie). The comfort is there, it's not overly heavy, and it's mechanically simple enough to work on. BTW, it's not new. It was made in late 1980 as a 1981 model. So much for your new bike theory. And lest you accuse me of being a brand loyalist, I'll be the first (or second) of pointing out functional failings on the part of BMWs. Let's take the R12C. Why make a larger twin with barely as much torque and less horsepower than your 1100? It didn't increase the 'Harley' lope or sound, so why bother? Why drop the smaller displacement twins and triples? Good bikes that were shunned by the public. Lighten up. Somebody asks for opinions, they get 'em. It's free advice, and he's free to pay attention or ignore as he pleases. FYI, I shopped cruisers for a long time before getting the Eliminator. At the price, at the time, it was the most functional bike. A year later, IMNSHO, the market was a bit soft. This year's prospects are better. Next year and the year after that should be banner years for cruisers. Finally the Japanese manufacturers have been forced to make more attractive bikes, while HD, the perennially underpowered (stock) patriotic fave is getting some power under their belts. There is no reason that the Japanese manufacturers can't follow suit and then some. Look at the new engine in the Royal Star full-dresser; why wasn't that available before? When a YZF R6 can make 200 hp/liter, why can't someone get 80 out of an 800cc twin? -George ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:05 PM To: 'dc' Subject: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 George, I may be wrong.. but when have you owned one of these bikes? And do you have ANYTHING good to say about any bike beyond your precious BMW? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 17:18:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10160 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08620 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA26260 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:15:11 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Tracy at Work" Subject: RE: Oh Happy Day! Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:21:18 -0500 Message-ID: <015601be4330$dec50e60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A348E3.7F0F448D@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal > I don't have a choice. All 98 Connies are "Luminous Windsor > Green and Cosmic Grey" - two-toned no less! I think it'll > look pretty cool! :) I was afraid of that... But you don't have matching bowling jackets, do you? > Wouldn't that be a hoot?! Especially if I get that really trick > sidecar that actually leans with the bike! What a blast that would > be.... :) Look at the Armec hacks. Definitely cool. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 18:23:54 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11151 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA10780 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:23:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A3ED46.7C07@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:26:14 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: ESPN - Daytona Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, This came in from the VF/VFR list. You know, once you attain critical mass, magic things start happening. Send your feedback and encourage your friends to do the same! JK ========================= > For U.S. listers: > In case you haven't heard, ESPN is planning on showing the Daytona 200 > *tape delayed* rather than live. If you think this idea stinks and you'd > rather see it live now is the time to start letting them know. > You can send them a note via their web page at > http://espn.go.com/sitetools/contact/lettersespn.html > But, as always, snail mail makes a more powerful impression: > ESPN, Inc. > ESPN Plaza > Bristol, CT 06010 > Let's give 'em hell. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 18:34:01 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11306 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:33:59 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8JCa007005; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:31:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8ff54208.36a3c452@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:31:30 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: George's opinions.. WAS: VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/18/99 5:09:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << When a YZF R6 can make 200 hp/liter, why can't someone get 80 out of an 800cc twin? >> Ducati gets about 160-170 from a 996cc twin race bike. But you need overhead cams, desmodromic valves, fuel injection etc. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 18:55:21 1999 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11635 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (dynamic239.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.239]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16192 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:54:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990118185214.006bc178@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:52:14 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Thanx Anita! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The trip was a lot of fun. Kudos, to another of our "cat herders" Great job Anita. Mike 98 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 23:46:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16193 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12930 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA03830 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:42:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: sorry! Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01c701be4367$09ed6d40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sorry to everyone. It seems that my mail program at work resent some mail from a month or so ago. Stupid M$ products. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 01:31:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17868 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14826 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05241 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:31:26 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4ROPa05501 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:30:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <614e771e.36a42686@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:30:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ursulina And Collin--- Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Collin, just wanted to say thanks for the mirror, Ray dropped it off to me on sunday. I really do appreciate it. Hopefully all this hard work to get it back on the road will pay off. I am hoping to take the MARRC school with Jack in May. Anyway, thanks again. Ursulina, Ray dropped off a package to me to send to you, he said he was leaving ona trip and couldnt get to the post office. I will go there tomorrow and send it priority mail to you. Just wanted you to know, it is coming. wouldve been out sooner, but forgot about MLK day... Ok, thats it. Take it easy... Sean... PS, Im still looking for parts for a TLR, so keep an eye out for me... =) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 01:56:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA18190 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15013 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05551 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16993; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A42EBF.F1F5C136@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:05:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ursulina And Collin--- References: <614e771e.36a42686@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to hear that you got the mirror ok..hope it fits ;-) OOOOOhhhhhhh more racers on the list!!!! Look forward to seeing you at the track..let me know if you ever need any help getting things together... Collin CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Collin, just wanted to say thanks for the mirror, Ray dropped it off to me on > sunday. I really do appreciate it. Hopefully all this hard work to get it > back on the road will pay off. I am hoping to take the MARRC school with Jack > in May. Anyway, thanks again. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 07:40:47 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24541 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:40:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:39:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Don't forget too Zbig that you have the last generation LBS on your XX. On mine the rear is very, very hard to lock up. Glenn > If someone will tell you that with LBS you cannot lock rear wheel, ask > Brian MC - he was behind me on 211 in June when I managed to lock rear > in a classis panic situation. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 09:23:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26140 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A56CC504F2; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:23:40 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119091444.01808140@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:29:11 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , "Suazo, Tony" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <369FA0FA.43651BA8@tidalwave.net> References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E45E@ZEUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:11 PM 1/15/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but >kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain >flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about >the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't >let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite >so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. The MSF teaches a curriculum that has undergone a lot of modification in its 25 or 30 years of existence. When I first started teaching I thought I could improve in many areas, and I was wrong. They have 25+ years of teaching experience; I don't. A lot of MSF advice is given to provide the best answer for the most common situations for the most common kinds of riders. That generally means less experienced riders in highway situations. "Leave the rear brake locked until you're stopped" is safe in that you won't high-side, and if you continue to concentrate on the front brake (as the MSF always emphasizes) you'll stop just about as quickly - the rear brake adds little or nothing to maximum braking. In fact, I've reviewed studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear and concentrating on the front - because their concentration was better spent on the front than divided on both the front and rear brakes. In addition, in a panic situation it's easier to remember to keep the rear brake locked than to remember the rules about releasing the rear brake. More advanced riders can release the rear brake if they know that the rear wheel has not stepped out too far and/or they are on a low-friction surface and still beware that the bike can flick back the other way and try to high-side them if they make a mistake. I don't think the MSF is wrong, I think their advice is good for most situations for most riders, and their advice won't get you spit off the bike in a nasty high-side. Advanced riders can try advanced maneuvers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 10:48:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27554 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20636 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA14090 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A95E4E005A6; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:46 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119104751.017de800@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:50:03 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Bad Business... In-Reply-To: <009f01be41f0$5762c5c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <6291f9d4.36a1343f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:06 AM 1/17/99 , George Howell wrote: >Can't comment on this particular business, but if you have a real gripe, you >can report them to the US Postal Service for mail fraud (or whatever the >crime is. If you are accurate in your reporting of events, they sound guilty >of it.) The last time I had serious trouble with someone doing business through the mail I turned them in for mail fraud (Post Office complaint form) then filed a formal complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. They gave up and sent me a wussy letter of apology. You want to threaten them? Threaten them with turning gov't agencies against them ... they really hate that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 10:48:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27553 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20637 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14091 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA23510 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A95A4E005A6; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119104310.017d3b30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:44:02 -0500 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yup. I think a lot of that is where the mail is processed. Working with the Navy, with their offices in Crystal City, we used both a formal Washington DC address and a more typical Arlington address. Chris Norloff At 09:22 PM 1/15/99 , STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >Government bldgs (even leased) in Arlington, VA retain Wash, DC addresses. Is >that confusing? > >In a message dated 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > >> Subj: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. >> Date: 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time >> From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> >On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? >> > >> >At 07:38 PM 1/13/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >> >You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, >> >SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. >> > >> >I'm not sure why you are confused! >> >Anita >> >> >> Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of >> Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond >> shape, on the west side of the Potomac River). >> >> But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the >> river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account >> for your thinking it didn't exist. >> >> :-) >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >> Return-Path: >> Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) >> by air-yd02.mx.aol.com (v56.14) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:35 -0500 >> Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) >> by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) >> with ESMTP id IAA17967; >> Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:26 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by >meretrix. >> com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24471 for ; Thu, >> 14 Jan 1999 08:13:33 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) >> by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29944 >> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX >[128. >> 8.120.90]) >> by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10468 >> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:28 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) >> by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01255 >> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com >> (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD75CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:25 EDT >> Message-Id: <4.1.19990114081651.00fd0b50@XXXXXX> >> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX >> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 >> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:19:04 -0500 >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> From: Chris Norloff >> Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. >> In-Reply-To: <199901140040.TAA10106@XXXXXX> >> References: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@XXXXXX> >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 10:49:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27558 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A95D4E005A6; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119104605.017dc4b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:47:28 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)", dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage In-Reply-To: <36A199E9.C501D07F@geocities.com> References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> <199901152241.RAA23786@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:06 AM 1/17/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >To an extent though the original advice holds true if you're dragging >hard parts...By rolling on the throttle you can gain some of that ground >clearance back and make the turn....but of course, this goes completely >against natural instinct, and I'm talking just tapping down the hard >parts, not once they are fully snugged up with the pavement and digging >in :) At that point, you'd better hope the exit of the curve is opening >up so you have somewhere to go! Does anyone ever hang off more at that point, to get the bike more upright? Or is that just too much to do then, or as a racer do you figure you're already hung off as far as you can go? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:15:42 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28077 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00137; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:14:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990119161505.PIGX5654@toddnt>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:15:05 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , <"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)"@meretrix.com>, Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be43c6$c21d0560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990119104605.017dc4b0@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote > At 03:06 AM 1/17/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >To an extent though the original advice holds true if you're dragging > >hard parts...By rolling on the throttle you can gain some of that ground > >clearance back and make the turn....but of course, this goes completely > >against natural instinct, and I'm talking just tapping down the hard > >parts, not once they are fully snugged up with the pavement and digging > >in :) At that point, you'd better hope the exit of the curve is opening > >up so you have somewhere to go! > > > Does anyone ever hang off more at that point, to get the bike > more upright? > Or is that just too much to do then, or as a racer do you figure you're > already hung off as far as you can go? I don't race motorcycles, but I can tell you that if you attempt to change your body position while leaned over this much, you are testing fate and upsetting the rolling dynamics of (an assumed) stable chassis. I know it, as I have tested fate in the past. Very disconcerting. Just watching the pros on TV or at the track gives you some indication that the best time to hang off is before the turn as you are setting up. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:30:20 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28342 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1F5A880124; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:25:25 EST Message-ID: <36A4B307.AF608040@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:29:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> <199901152241.RAA23786@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990119104605.017dc4b0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Does anyone ever hang off more at that point, to get the bike more upright? > Or is that just too much to do then, or as a racer do you figure you're > already hung off as far as you can go? Yeah, when I start to scrape hard bits, I'll shift more bodyweight over to that side to help pick the bike up. I won't humor anybody by claiming that I hang off, it'll be a long long time before I ever get a knee down. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:41:23 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28472 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:41:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901191641.LAA28472@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:40:53 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: DC Cycles Racing.. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:36:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > > OOOOOhhhhhhh more racers on the list!!!! Look forward to > seeing you at > the track..let me know if you ever need any help getting things > together... This offer goes for myself as well. ANYONE with an interest in racing, feel free to talk to either Collin or myself. We can answer most all of your questions you might have in regards to getting started, bike setup, the (opinioned) best way to go about it, and such and so-forth. As of right now, we have 4 racers that are members of DC Cycles Racing.. Collin Fagan, Jay St. Peter, Joe Nagy and myself, Brian McCoy. This is by no means closed just to us.. the idea behind the team effort is to have lots of hands around to help out. To be able to cut back on the number of tools brought to the track (you only need to bring one standard set, and then specifics for your bike). We can cram about 5 bikes under the Canopy .. so you have shade.. Several months ago, I asked for some help with a logo design, noone managed to get back to me.. so we're going without (unless someone offers to help now.. already have the idea, we all just suck at design.. :P). Things to look at if you're interested in local racing.. http://marrc.nova.org Is the site of the local racing org. Lots of info about the track, racing, and the org. itself (heh, CORNERWORKING!!). We have a page too.. though I can't remember what it is.. Collin? The season starts April 1 with a tune and test day.. licensed racers only, with the first race April 10th. Cycle Sport puts on 2 track days each year, they cost $125.. and are well worth the money. There's not really any instruction, but for the kind of money, you can get LOTS of track time. Worth every penny IMHO. Anyway.. enough spam about the track and racing (for now).. again, any questions? Contact myself.. Collin will answer Q's as well.. Ride safe.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:47:04 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28639 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:47:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901191647.LAA28639@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:46:56 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: F2 front fender.. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:35:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Just curious if anyone out there has an F2 front fender they'd be willing to lend or sell... Also, Glenn.. what was the phone number of that shop that does braided lines? Ack, Anita.. thanks for organizing the trip.. it was funn (heck, what else can I say here?) And.. finally.. BYE.. Brian (heh) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:55:24 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28735 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA14028 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:56:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199901191756.MAA14028@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:53:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Title Search Companies Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Has anyone had any experience working with a title search company? Apparently they help people get the paperwork together to register rebuilt salvage bikes, as well as people with screwed up titles like me :-( The one I am thinking of using is called Tidewater Title Search Anyone heard of it? -John Newman 1988 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:56:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28745 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22308 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16577 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SMZEa23166 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:55:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <670caff0.36a4b91c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:55:56 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 You can include myself on that list of "DC Cycles Racing" if you so choose. Id be happy to help out as I can...I sure know Ill need some myself! Jack PS- coincidentally, my leathers, gloves, and boots are red/black/white...that sign or what? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 12:46:51 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29619 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: F2 front fender.. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:45:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 The guy who owns the shop has 0 personality but he does make a decent line. Speaking of the show... Todd, Tom Gimer and I ran into a bunch of you but we were surprised we didn't see more. Where the heck were some of you hiding? Glenn > Just curious if anyone out there has an F2 front fender they'd be willing > to > lend or sell... > > Also, Glenn.. what was the phone number of that shop that does braided > lines? > > Ack, Anita.. thanks for organizing the trip.. it was funn (heck, what else > can I say here?) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 17:52:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04981 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28395 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01365 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1RWVa01223; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:40:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2967b5d4.36a509d3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:40:19 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Looks good on a TLR, maybe.....? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I have gotten an order for new fairings in, and gotten a price on a paint job, now I need graphics. I think this kit will be what Im gonna get. Just trim up the gsxr part on the front so it just says R..... The paint is going to be a pearl white job. Anyone have any thoughts? http://www.tapeworks.com/Pages/5507.html Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 18:31:47 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05671 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9OHTa04795; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:27:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:27:59 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/19/99 9:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << I've reviewed studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear >> Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing this when discussing MSF. Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? Since all my safety courses were taken in Europe (Italy) many years ago and rear brake use is a no no there (it is described as equivalent to the emergency brake on an automobile), I am curious. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 18:37:42 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05768 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4SWUa04794; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:34:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <66a106e0.36a51696@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:34:46 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/19/99 11:46:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Things to look at if you're interested in local racing.. >> Brian, I think I told you that I was considering rewiring the VFR (it's all drilled) and racing it Vintage 6, I know, the GSXRs will eat me up. It really depends on how business goes if I have enough time. What I need to do is get the bike prepared and/or get a race ready bike to pass the spring MARRC school, I don't think they accept an expired (25 years) FIM license. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 18:47:59 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05957 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:47:58 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1JBQa27768; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:38:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:38:05 EST To: jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Title Search Companies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/19/99 12:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << Has anyone had any experience working with a title search company? >> Actually, the easiest way to get a title is to get a copy of Hennings Motor News and call one of the Alabama title outfits. They will get you a title for a bike (needs to be a few years old don't remember how old) right away and with only $100 or so. Alabama has vehicle title laws written by car thieves. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 19:34:56 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06717 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:34:55 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8VCWa00804; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:25:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6ed4a8b4.36a5226a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:25:14 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/19/99 11:46:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Several months ago, I asked for some help with a logo design, noone managed to get back to me.. so we're going without (unless someone offers to help now.. already have the idea, we all just suck at design.. :P). >> Brian, one of the guys on the other list I'm on is a graphic designer. He created the logo on our website, www.exupbrotherhood.com (upper left corner of site). He also designed our t-shirts (did a great job). I'm sure he can come up with something for you. His name is Todd Hanson and his e-mail is thanson@XXXXXX. Just tell him Scooter sent you and ask nice. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 08:19:36 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19622 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15154 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:19:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990120081341.008d2be0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:13:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. In-Reply-To: <66a106e0.36a51696@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:34 PM 1/19/99 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 1/19/99 11:46:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, >I think I told you that I was considering rewiring the VFR (it's all drilled) >and racing it Vintage 6, I know, the GSXRs will eat me up. It really depends Dean Middleton won V6 on a VF750 a few years ago. It was a borrowed bike, very trick. If you really want to clean house in V6, buy my '87 FZR1000. The front end is already drilled, typically winning times in v6 are 1:23 or so. >on how business goes if I have enough time. What I need to do is get the bike >prepared and/or get a race ready bike to pass the spring MARRC school, I don't >think they accept an expired (25 years) FIM license. It would be CCS or WERA or other sanctioning body that decides what licence is accptible. Call them and ask. However if the last time you race was 25 years ago you might like to take the school because flag routines have signifanctly changed since then. Everything else is the same. If you have any ?'s about the tech reqirements for the school you can ask me. I'm one of the guys that run the RRS, and do the tech insp for both the schools and MARRC track days. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 09:49:04 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21032 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA20516; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:47:46 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990120144827.TQEP5654@toddnt>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:48:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , , Cc: Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:47:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be4483$cf2d4e50$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Fred wrote: > In a message dated 1/19/99 9:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > > << I've reviewed > studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear >> > Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep > seeing this when > discussing MSF. Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear > wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? Since all my > safety courses > were taken in Europe (Italy) many years ago and rear brake use is a no no > there (it is described as equivalent to the emergency brake on an > automobile), > I am curious. There is no assumption that the rider will invariably lock the rear. The lesson is practiced for cases when the rear IS locked. I'm curious why the European lesson doesn't address an emergency situation like this. The MSF doesn't teach that the rear is a 'no no' but rather that, while braking the forces of the bikes momentum will cause the rear to lose available traction as the front gains and therefore using the front more aggressively will stop you. There must be a better explanation as to why the rear brake exists other than as an 'emergency brake'. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:27:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24888 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13949 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11400 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 468; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:26:43 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990120132547.01da3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:26:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Bike Show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone going to this? BIKE SHOW & SWAP MEET--Richmond Coliseum, Jan. 24, 1999. 804-693-4203/afternoons. (ad as seen in Washington Post) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:51:05 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25359 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A468440208; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:46:00 EST Message-ID: <36A6257E.611B5FB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:50:38 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX asks: > > Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing > this when discussing MSF. Oh yeah, it's All-American. I think the big problem with some older riders (like my father-in-law, self taught, so you can't possibly teach him anything more) is that they commonly thought "back in the old days" that front brake usage would "throw you over the handlebars", hence too many folks here relied too much on the rear brake. This is also the country where "laying the bike down to avoid a crash" is a popular expression. Anyway, we've long been screwed up when it comes to braking properly. Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. (Note: I have abs and traction control in my cage. I grudgingly admit that they have come in very handy in the last few cold weeks. I still think linked braking systems are a crime against humanity.) And that brings me back to the MSF. The MSF does teach that the front brake is your friend. I'm cool there. It's when they advocate keeping a rear wheel locked (if it does lock up, that's not the goal) if it starts sliding in a panic stop. They say there's a risk of a highside if you release it. They don't say how big of a risk. Every time you enter a corner you risk a high side. Evidently the MSF feels that it's too confusing/complicated to teach new riders to modulate the rear brake to control the back end stepping out of line - evidently having bikes sliding sideways is more acceptable to them. Personally, in a full panic stop, I am distracted by the noise of a skidding rear, I want to be able to hear if the *FRONT* starts to skid (not that I'll definitely be able to save it, but I might be able to back off the lever in time). Anyway, one more time, if the back tire starts skidding under hard braking, it might start moving out to one side or the other. If this happens, simple release and reapply a little more gently. The bike most definitely will snap back into line, but it's more of a twitch, quite manageable to control, and not the highside- inducing maneuver that the MSF would have you believe. But the whole time this is going on, you should really be concentrating on achieving maximum use out of your front brake. I've found I can squeeze the front lever hard, pray, curse, pucker, and still be able to pump the rear foot lever if I have to. If I can do it, anybody can. > Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear > wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? To answer this directly, they assume that locked rears are common under hard braking, but they never recommend locking the rear. They just teach the wrong method for dealing with it. IMHO, of course. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:53:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25393 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14537 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA12709 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A507DB402A8; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:48:39 EST Message-ID: <36A6261D.789F362D@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show References: <4.1.19990120132547.01da3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's also something similar going on in the Capitol Expo Center in Chantilly (right behind the Wendy's on Rt. 28) January 30/31, as seen in Winding Road Moto Times. I'll post the specifics if anyone is interested. I wonder if it'd be worthwhile? Dale Mike Troutman wrote: > > Anyone going to this? > > BIKE SHOW & SWAP MEET--Richmond Coliseum, Jan. 24, 1999. > 804-693-4203/afternoons. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:56:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25423 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14563 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12808 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 467; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:55:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990120135537.01a34520@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:55:57 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Bike Show Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36A6261D.789F362D@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990120132547.01da3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hope so. I live about 30 seconds from the Chantilly Expo site ;-) At 01:53 PM 1/20/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >There's also something similar going on in the Capitol >Expo Center in Chantilly (right behind the Wendy's on >Rt. 28) January 30/31, as seen in Winding Road Moto Times. > >I'll post the specifics if anyone is interested. I wonder >if it'd be worthwhile? > >Dale > >Mike Troutman wrote: >> >> Anyone going to this? >> >> BIKE SHOW & SWAP MEET--Richmond Coliseum, Jan. 24, 1999. >> 804-693-4203/afternoons. > > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at >horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at >Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR >1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:11:23 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25723 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03394; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:11:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:11:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman cc: Boiade@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) In-Reply-To: <36A6257E.611B5FB@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems > are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) > riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought > to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build > bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the > rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. Uh, oh. Get him Glenn! :) The VFR800 has the 3rd generation linked brakes and has impressive stopping distances for a bike of its weight... Rear wheel skids are almost non-existent. > Personally, in a full panic stop, I am distracted by the noise > of a skidding rear, I want to be able to hear if the *FRONT* starts > to skid (not that I'll definitely be able to save it, but I might be > able to back off the lever in time). Er, you use the sound to let you know when you've got a slide? It's probably a better idea to learn to feel the bike sliding than to worry about listening to it. I know my bike(s) make no discernible noise when sliding. Dirt bikes don't make any noise when sliding and the dirt is the best place to learn what happens and what to do when a bike gets loose. I need to reintroduce myself to the dirt... > not the highside-inducing maneuver that the MSF would have you believe. The MSF will take someone who's never ridden a motorcycle and make them capable of passing the state licensing test. Nuance is not one of the things they teach and I think that's appropriate, given the audience. Many of the people in the classes are just trying to remember that the clutch is in the left hand, the front brake is in the right hand, etc... BTW and FWIW, I know a guy who totalled a 916 when a minivan pulled out in front of him. He panicked, grabbed a handful of front brake, and did an ugly endo in the middle of the road. The bike was pretty new to him and he hadn't practiced hard braking. More than anything else (rear brake philosophy and all that) it's important to practice so that things become second nature. That's probably one of the key things in the MSF teaching. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:15:06 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25870 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:14:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) No offense Dale but you obviously have never ridden a bike with LBS? Call it a crutch if you want but that's not what it is. To me its an excellent way to stop the bike. Everyone I hear gripe about the system usually has never ridden a bike with one. Why do you need your brakes separated? It might be fine for a racer that pushes their bike to the extreme edge on a track (I think someone called it settling the rear end) but for the street LBS is an EXCELLENT choice. Don't just believe me, read the reviews on the VFR, others on the list that HAVE ridden the VFR with LBS. All of them will tell you how well it works. There is no doubt that the MSF should teach proper braking since 99% of the bikes on the road don't have LBS but that's no reason to slam on LBS. Like I said, MOST people don't need separate front and rear brake controls, if you think they should give me a good explanation why. Glenn I'd buy another bike with LBS Dysart > Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems > are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) > riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought > to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build > bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the > rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. > > (Note: I have abs and traction control in my cage. I grudgingly > admit that they have come in very handy in the last few cold weeks. > I still think linked braking systems are a crime against humanity.) > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:17:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25893 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14915 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13648 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MUFCa20555 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:12:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <247b8c63.36a62ab6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:12:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Amusing.. and how true.. NTLR Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_916859575_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916859575_boundary Content-ID: <0_916859575@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII gotta laugh at this.... --part0_916859575_boundary Content-ID: <0_916859575@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (rly-ya04.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.196]) by air-ya04.mx.aol.com (v56.22) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:49:49 -0500 Received: from lists1.best.com (lists1.best.com [206.86.8.15]) by rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA13843; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists1.best.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/best.ls) id JAA23007; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:23:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901201723.JAA23007@lists1.best.com> From: "Javaheri, Pejman" Subject: Amusing.. and how true.. NTLR Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:20:39 -0500 BestServHost: lists.best.com Sender: tl1000s-errors@XXXXXX Errors-To: tl1000s-errors@XXXXXX Reply-To: TL1000S@XXXXXX To: tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Arthur Davidson, of the Harley Davidson Motorcycle Corporation, dies and goes to heaven. At the gates, an angel tells Davidson, "Well, you've been such a good guy and your motorcycles have changed the world. As a reward, you can hangout with anyone you want to in Heaven." Davidson thinks about it and says, "I wanna hang out with God, Himself." The befeathered fellow at the Gates takes Arthur to the Throne Room and introduces him to God. Arthur then asks God, "Hey, aren't you the inventor of Woman?" God says, "Ah, yes." "Well," says Davidson, "you have some major design flaws in your invention: 1. there's too much front end protrusion 2. it chatters at high speeds 3. the rear end wobbles too much, and 4. the intake is placed too close to the exhaust." "Hmmm..." replies God, "hold on." God goes to the Celestial Supercomputer, types in a few keystrokes, and waits for the result. The computer prints out a slip of paper and God reads it. "It may be that my invention is flawed," God replies to Arthur Davidson, but accordin= g to My Computer, more people are riding my invention than yours." --part0_916859575_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:56:05 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26694 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28322; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:55:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A63A64.8EC6A4BD@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:19:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. The brakes on your cage are linked, right?? Why not on the bike? It provides smooth even braking with decreased stopping distances... Sounds like a good thing to me. And believe it or not, there are a couple of AMA superbikes running it as a test platform.... From the articles I read back last spring, it sounded like it was performing very well in that venue as well... Collin Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: Why do you need your brakes separated? It > might be fine for a racer that pushes their bike to the extreme edge on a > track (I think someone called it settling the rear end) but for the street > LBS is an EXCELLENT choice. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:58:58 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26788 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A56B30B02A4; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:58:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990120150010.00ff7f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:02:15 -0500 To: Boiade@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: ><< I've reviewed > studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear >> > >At 06:27 PM 1/19/99 , Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing this when >discussing MSF. Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear >wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? Since all my safety courses >were taken in Europe (Italy) many years ago and rear brake use is a no no >there (it is described as equivalent to the emergency brake on an automobile), >I am curious. No, the recommended braking procedure is to apply both brakes up to impending lockup. The point of the studies about braking-better-with-a-locked-rear-wheel was only that the rear brake provides very little braking in "emergency" or "panic" situations, and that the rider's attention is best devoted to the front brake. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:13:22 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27108 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA26198; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:10:02 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990120201245.VTHF5654@toddnt>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:12:45 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: , Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:11:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be44b1$1c0eba60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <36A6257E.611B5FB@tidalwave.net> Dale Horstman wrote: > Boiade@XXXXXX asks: > > > > Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing > > this when discussing MSF. > > Oh yeah, it's All-American. I think the big problem with some > older riders (like my father-in-law, self taught, so you can't > possibly teach him anything more) is that they commonly thought > "back in the old days" that front brake usage would "throw you > over the handlebars", hence too many folks here relied too much > on the rear brake. This is also the country where "laying the > bike down to avoid a crash" is a popular expression. Anyway, > we've long been screwed up when it comes to braking properly. I don't buy the "throw you over the handlebars" argument to explain away your perception that locking the rear brake is an 'American' thing. I've heard this explanation by SOME riders who, regardless of their age, seemed to exhibit some seriously ignorant attitudes about riding a motorcycle. Some of them even think helmets will break your neck! (run, duck...he said helmets!). I think the prevailing wisdem of the older riders (That'd be you too Fred, right?) was that the front brakes on the older bikes just plain sucked. You NEEDED to use the rear so you could stop. Which brings me to my next statements....... > > Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems > are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) > riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought > to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build > bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the > rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. .......Your argument seems to be that we should all go back to riding bikes with ball-bearing rings in the steering head, chains that need constant lubrication, drummed front breaks and cabled only clutches. All of these and a kick-starter are supposed to make for better riders?? I just don't understand your techno-bigotry (heh, made that one up ;)), or fear of innovation as it seems. Honda, BMW and others offered these technological innovations to a market that could afford it and ultimately support further R&D for even better stopping power. Again, what drove LBS's and ABS's to such markets like the GoldWings and heavier bikes probably had to do more with economies of scale than the average age of a rider or there command of sufficient riding skills. I don't know if you've ridden a bike with either LBS or ABS, so I'm not clear why you feel the way you do. I've ridden two types, both with LBS (CBRXX and the VFR800) and can say that I love the way the bikes sat down and stopped with nary an effort by me. And I did it all with pressing just the rear break lever. ;) > > (Note: I have abs and traction control in my cage. I grudgingly > admit that they have come in very handy in the last few cold weeks. > I still think linked braking systems are a crime against humanity.) > > And that brings me back to the MSF. The MSF does teach that the > front brake is your friend. I'm cool there. It's when they > advocate keeping a rear wheel locked (if it does lock up, that's > not the goal) if it starts sliding in a panic stop. They say there's > a risk of a highside if you release it. They don't say how big of > a risk. Every time you enter a corner you risk a high side. Evidently > the MSF feels that it's too confusing/complicated to teach new riders > to modulate the rear brake to control the back end stepping out of > line - evidently having bikes sliding sideways is more acceptable to > them. Personally, in a full panic stop, I am distracted by the noise > of a skidding rear, I want to be able to hear if the *FRONT* starts > to skid (not that I'll definitely be able to save it, but I might be > able to back off the lever in time). I agree with your notion that the MSF should teach controlled use of the back brake. Feathering? But I don't recall the MSF advocating that you should continue a slide due to rear break while sideways. I've taken the ERC twice and just don't ever recall that. The technique they do teach is that once locked, continue your braking while in an upright position. And I believe they teach this so that inexperienced riders (relative term) aren't upset by how the chassis wiggles if you let up on the rear. > > Anyway, one more time, if the back tire starts skidding under > hard braking, it might start moving out to one side or the other. > If this happens, simple release and reapply a little more gently. > The bike most definitely will snap back into line, but it's more > of a twitch, quite manageable to control, and not the highside- > inducing maneuver that the MSF would have you believe. As a matter of fact, this is what I do. But I only rarely lock the rear in a panic situation. Every other time it locks is on purpose >:) > > But the whole time this is going on, you should really be > concentrating on achieving maximum use out of your front brake. > I've found I can squeeze the front lever hard, pray, curse, > pucker, and still be able to pump the rear foot lever if I > have to. If I can do it, anybody can. > > > Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear > > wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? > > To answer this directly, they assume that locked rears are > common under hard braking, but they never recommend locking > the rear. They just teach the wrong method for dealing with it. > > IMHO, of course. :) > Indeed! Here's something to ponder, and surely will put the scares of technology in you. In his book Virtual Light, William Gibson describes a new integrated wheel/suspension for a motorcycle. The wheel is actually a number of padded feet, curved at the radius of the wheel and mounted to pnuematic pistons (could be thought of as spokes). As the wheel turns and encounters rocks, potholes and other surface crap, the pnuematics extend or contract to form-fit the pads. So, you could basically ride into a curb and never feel the transition of six inches. Oh yea, no mirrors. A simple micro camara mounted to the rear and connected to a TV screen in front of you. Brakes? HA! The thing stops using reversed magnetic polarity fields. Yea, I wouldn't want to ride it either ;) T From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:14:28 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27137 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8034F402FC; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:09:39 EST Message-ID: <36A63919.65061C51@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:14:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > > No offense Dale but you obviously have never ridden a bike with LBS? No I haven't. I'm not counting the days, either. It's not a big deal to me. > Everyone I hear gripe about the system usually has > never ridden a bike with one. Why do you need your brakes separated? Ice. Rain. Ease of maintenance/repair. Less complexity. Lower prices on non-lbs models. Fear of technology and all things new. Fear of acronyms? :) > Don't just believe me, read the reviews on the > VFR, others on the list that HAVE ridden the VFR with LBS. The VFR is a good bike. I meant no offense. Now if we could get rid of that pesky chain... :) > Like I said, MOST people don't need separate front and rear brake > controls, if you think they should give me a good explanation why. Like I said before, I believe LBS came about because too many motorcyclists had an irrational fear of the front brake lever. With LBS, they can simply stomp on the foot lever (like they always have) and the bike stops quicker. For them, LBS is a good thing, right? I think teaching them how to use the front brake properly, and like Kirk said, PRACTICING sudden stopping drills, is a better (cheaper!) solution. works Glenn, your bike is an example of what I feared. LBS was initially designed as a crutch. Now it's almost commonly accepted. The design has been enhanced to where function is pretty good. Pretty soon, all bikes might have them. Ack! What's next? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:33:57 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27520 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05473 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:33:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:33:49 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) In-Reply-To: <001a01be44b1$1c0eba60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > .......Your argument seems to be that we should all go back to riding bikes > with ball-bearing rings in the steering head Hmmm, from my limited knowledge it's my impression that ball bearings are still more efficient at avoiding friction than tapered/roller/needle whatever bearings. The other bearing types have their advantages too - which may make them better for street bike steering heads. However, I wouldn't categorize ball-bearings with drum brakes. > All of these and a kick-starter are supposed to make for better riders?? I sure wouldn't mind a kick starter sometimes... > The wheel is actually a number of padded feet, curved at the radius of > the wheel and mounted to pnuematic pistons (could be thought of as > spokes). Ok, so now you've got a "bike" with tracks. Can I also have a 120mm gun and reactive armor? :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:34:46 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27530 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id ACC818F6020E; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:30:00 EST Message-ID: <36A63DDE.B7AD5CA5@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:34:38 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Boiade@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: <001a01be44b1$1c0eba60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd wrote: > .......Your argument seems to be that we should all go back to riding bikes > with ball-bearing rings in the steering head, chains that need constant > lubrication, drummed front breaks and cabled only clutches. All of these > and a kick-starter are supposed to make for better riders?? Naw, lose the chain drive. Shafties rule. :) Actually, all these examples are improvements in design, not necessitating a retraining of a rider's reflexes. Disc brakes are operated in the same manner as drum brakes. Ball bearings in a steering head are turned the same way as roller bearings. But if I'm riding a LBS equipped bike and I jump on the brakes and the rear wheel starts to slide, I can't release it independently of the front anymore. That's a loss of control that I don't want to give up. Not without a fight anyways. > Honda, BMW and others offered these > technological innovations to a market that could afford it and > ultimately support further R&D for even better stopping power. But are the marginal gains in stopping power worth the increased cost of new motorcycles in general? Bikes should be kept simple. Less crap to break down on you when you are 300 miles from nowhere. > But I don't recall the MSF advocating that you > should continue a slide due to rear break while sideways. They say simply keep the rear locked once locked. They never give any guidelines on when to release the rear, or what will likely happen (a twitch). They only say highsides could result if you do it wrong (and I think this is a stretch, btw). > And I believe they teach this so that inexperienced riders (relative > term) aren't upset by how the chassis wiggles if you let up on the > rear. No! That's my point exactly. They never teach what will happen when you release the rear. It's not a big deal, but they are teaching it wrong, in my opinion. > Here's something to ponder, and surely will put the scares of > technology in you. Yep, gee thanks, I'm gonna go home and have nightmares now. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:42:28 1999 Return-Path: bulerias@XXXXXX Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27708 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac7.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT root)@rac7.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.147]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id PAA22448 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac7.wam.umd.edu ((IDENT sendmail)@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac7.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id PAA12842 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by rac7.wam.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with SMTP id PAA12837 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:42:15 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac7.wam.umd.edu: bulerias owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:42:15 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Montwill To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Seca II In-Reply-To: <001a01be44b1$1c0eba60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, Someone I know is about to buy a '93 Seca II w/ 15,000 for about 2,000 as their first bike. I really don't know a whole lot about the Yamaha line of bikes. How dependable is a Seca II engine... what is the power output. How many miles can one expect from a Seca II. If you have a Seca II, or have ridden them in the past, what do you have to say about them. Matt Montwill bulerias@XXXXXX mmontwill@XXXXXX LIFE BEGINS AT 7000 RPM!!!!!!!!! On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > > > Dale Horstman wrote: > > Boiade@XXXXXX asks: > > > > > > Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing > > > this when discussing MSF. > > > > Oh yeah, it's All-American. I think the big problem with some > > older riders (like my father-in-law, self taught, so you can't > > possibly teach him anything more) is that they commonly thought > > "back in the old days" that front brake usage would "throw you > > over the handlebars", hence too many folks here relied too much > > on the rear brake. This is also the country where "laying the > > bike down to avoid a crash" is a popular expression. Anyway, > > we've long been screwed up when it comes to braking properly. > > I don't buy the "throw you over the handlebars" argument to explain away > your perception that locking the rear brake is an 'American' thing. I've > heard this explanation by SOME riders who, regardless of their age, seemed > to exhibit some seriously ignorant attitudes about riding a motorcycle. > Some of them even think helmets will break your neck! (run, duck...he said > helmets!). > > I think the prevailing wisdem of the older riders (That'd be you too Fred, > right?) was that the front brakes on the older bikes just plain sucked. You > NEEDED to use the rear so you could stop. Which brings me to my next > statements....... > > > > > Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems > > are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) > > riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought > > to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build > > bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the > > rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. > > .......Your argument seems to be that we should all go back to riding bikes > with ball-bearing rings in the steering head, chains that need constant > lubrication, drummed front breaks and cabled only clutches. All of these > and a kick-starter are supposed to make for better riders?? > > I just don't understand your techno-bigotry (heh, made that one up ;)), or > fear of innovation as it seems. Honda, BMW and others offered these > technological innovations to a market that could afford it and ultimately > support further R&D for even better stopping power. Again, what drove LBS's > and ABS's to such markets like the GoldWings and heavier bikes probably had > to do more with economies of scale than the average age of a rider or there > command of sufficient riding skills. > > I don't know if you've ridden a bike with either LBS or ABS, so I'm not > clear why you feel the way you do. I've ridden two types, both with LBS > (CBRXX and the VFR800) and can say that I love the way the bikes sat down > and stopped with nary an effort by me. And I did it all with pressing just > the rear break lever. ;) > > > > > (Note: I have abs and traction control in my cage. I grudgingly > > admit that they have come in very handy in the last few cold weeks. > > I still think linked braking systems are a crime against humanity.) > > > > And that brings me back to the MSF. The MSF does teach that the > > front brake is your friend. I'm cool there. It's when they > > advocate keeping a rear wheel locked (if it does lock up, that's > > not the goal) if it starts sliding in a panic stop. They say there's > > a risk of a highside if you release it. They don't say how big of > > a risk. Every time you enter a corner you risk a high side. Evidently > > the MSF feels that it's too confusing/complicated to teach new riders > > to modulate the rear brake to control the back end stepping out of > > line - evidently having bikes sliding sideways is more acceptable to > > them. Personally, in a full panic stop, I am distracted by the noise > > of a skidding rear, I want to be able to hear if the *FRONT* starts > > to skid (not that I'll definitely be able to save it, but I might be > > able to back off the lever in time). > > I agree with your notion that the MSF should teach controlled use of the > back brake. Feathering? But I don't recall the MSF advocating that you > should continue a slide due to rear break while sideways. I've taken the > ERC twice and just don't ever recall that. The technique they do teach is > that once locked, continue your braking while in an upright position. And I > believe they teach this so that inexperienced riders (relative term) aren't > upset by how the chassis wiggles if you let up on the rear. > > > > > Anyway, one more time, if the back tire starts skidding under > > hard braking, it might start moving out to one side or the other. > > If this happens, simple release and reapply a little more gently. > > The bike most definitely will snap back into line, but it's more > > of a twitch, quite manageable to control, and not the highside- > > inducing maneuver that the MSF would have you believe. > > As a matter of fact, this is what I do. But I only rarely lock the rear in > a panic situation. Every other time it locks is on purpose >:) > > > > > But the whole time this is going on, you should really be > > concentrating on achieving maximum use out of your front brake. > > I've found I can squeeze the front lever hard, pray, curse, > > pucker, and still be able to pump the rear foot lever if I > > have to. If I can do it, anybody can. > > > > > Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear > > > wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? > > > > To answer this directly, they assume that locked rears are > > common under hard braking, but they never recommend locking > > the rear. They just teach the wrong method for dealing with it. > > > > IMHO, of course. :) > > > > Indeed! > > Here's something to ponder, and surely will put the scares of technology in > you. In his book Virtual Light, William Gibson describes a new integrated > wheel/suspension for a motorcycle. The wheel is actually a number of > padded feet, curved at the radius of the wheel and mounted to pnuematic > pistons (could be thought of as spokes). As the wheel turns and encounters > rocks, potholes and other surface crap, the pnuematics extend or contract to > form-fit the pads. So, you could basically ride into a curb and never feel > the transition of six inches. Oh yea, no mirrors. A simple micro camara > mounted to the rear and connected to a TV screen in front of you. Brakes? > HA! The thing stops using reversed magnetic polarity fields. > > Yea, I wouldn't want to ride it either ;) > > T > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:58:09 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27968 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA00600; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:56:51 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990120205732.WAPW5654@toddnt>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:57:32 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: , , Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:56:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be44b7$5d3c9d30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <36A63DDE.B7AD5CA5@tidalwave.net> Dale Horstman wrote: > Todd wrote: > > .......Your argument seems to be that we should all go back to > riding bikes > > with ball-bearing rings in the steering head, chains that need constant > > lubrication, drummed front breaks and cabled only clutches. > All of these > > and a kick-starter are supposed to make for better riders?? > > Naw, lose the chain drive. Shafties rule. :) > > Actually, all these examples are improvements in design, not > necessitating a retraining of a rider's reflexes. Disc brakes > are operated in the same manner as drum brakes. Ball bearings > in a steering head are turned the same way as roller bearings. > > But if I'm riding a LBS equipped bike and I jump on the brakes > and the rear wheel starts to slide, I can't release it > independently of the front anymore. That's a loss of control > that I don't want to give up. Not without a fight anyways. Well, with the latest LBS and ABS technologies it is highly unlikely you could purposely start a skid/slide, so the point may be moot. I think my examples have some merit while illustrating the improvement of motorcycles over time. Sure, you operate the brake-lever the same way, but you don't need nearly the force of grip with a disk brake and excellent pads you did when all you could get was drum braking. Head-shake? I'd feel rather twitchy releasing the grips on an older model machine than with a new one. Shafties? No argument from me ;) > > > Honda, BMW and others offered these > > technological innovations to a market that could afford it and > > ultimately support further R&D for even better stopping power. > > But are the marginal gains in stopping power worth the increased > cost of new motorcycles in general? Bikes should be kept simple. > Less crap to break down on you when you are 300 miles from nowhere. Hmmm. I agree with your premise but reality is that these systems are nearly 100% flawless. The cost of everything but a Wendy's hamburger is going up, so I'm not so sure about this argument. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:58:39 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27977 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA14182; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:54:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990120205732.WAPZ5654@toddnt>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:57:32 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:56:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01be44b7$5dcc3300$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: > > Ok, so now you've got a "bike" with tracks. Can I also have a 120mm gun > and reactive armor? :) > > Kirk > You can have it if you don't insist on wearing a helmet too ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 16:24:13 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28439 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-183-173.s173.tnt20.brd.erols.com [207.172.183.173]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17470 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Seca II Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:23:44 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01be44bb$28a92760$6bb6accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 A 94 Seca II was my first bike. Nice bike, long warmup. Not a great deal of power, but handled pretty well. I put 15K on it before I traded it for an F3. I have a set of motor mounts, if anyone needs them. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Matt Montwill asked: Someone I know is about to buy a '93 Seca II w/ 15,000 for about 2,000 as their first bike. I really don't know a whole lot about the Yamaha line of bikes. How dependable is a Seca II engine... what is the power output. How many miles can one expect from a Seca II. If you have a Seca II, or have ridden them in the past, what do you have to say about them. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 16:24:38 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28455 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id QAA14623; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:24:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A64F40.29E4ACA1@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:48:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errr...ummm...errrrr... My 97 GSXR is OEM equiped with plane ole ball bearings!!! Kirk Roy wrote: > Hmmm, from my limited knowledge it's my impression that ball bearings are > still more efficient at avoiding friction than tapered/roller/needle > whatever bearings. > I sure wouldn't mind a kick starter sometimes... I agree...many a day I wished I had a kick starter on a bike... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 16:29:54 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28562 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id QAA19330; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:29:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A65083.AD80C3EE@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:54:11 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Montwill CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Seca II References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Seca II is a very good all around bike. the motor is pretty much bulletproof as long as you feed it oil at its regularly scheduled intervals. I've heard of lots of em well over 50k miles. There just isn't much on them to go wrong. They don't exactly put out a lot of horsepower (can't remember the exact number, but it's low) but that's because it's an older motor design...more than enough power for a beginner to learn on. they handle fairly well too. A bit heavier than they look due to the steel frame, but not bad. $2k is a decent price. make sure you point your frined to the list :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 16:42:05 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28808 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:42:03 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA23272; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:43:29 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma023077; Wed, 20 Jan 99 16:43:22 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5V00I7LOBVXA@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566FF.0077043A ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:39:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:36:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Seca II To: Matt Montwill Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566FF.0076C0AF.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Matt; I currently own a '92 Seca II with about 22,000 miles. I bought it for $1300 last fall. So far, so good. No real problems. The bike has about 50 hp, and is able to get above 100mph pretty easily. I've had mine up to about 115 (on the speedo) with perhaps a bit more on tap. One minor complaint that some Seca II owners have (myself included) is a tendency for the bike to "buzz" at around 4,000rpm. I don't consider this an especially annoying trait or something that would keep me from buying the bike again, but others may feel differently. As for maintenance and reliability, I haven't heard any bad things from anyone I've communicated with who owns one. I've had it recommended to me by a local shop that I need to replace the sprockets and chain. The chain's fine, but the shop told me that when changing the sprockets it's a good idea to change the chain too for better reliability and fit. I recently replaced the tires, but that's something you'll have to do with any bike. I felt when I bought the bike that I got a royal good deal on it. Your friend may be able to talk the owner down a couple hundred dollars, but even if he can't (and the bike's in good shape), he/she should consider it a fairly good deal. Most Seca IIs go for about that price or possibly a little lower. Good luck, and let me know if you have any specific questions I can answer. Chris Weaver Hey, Someone I know is about to buy a '93 Seca II w/ 15,000 for about 2,000 as their first bike. I really don't know a whole lot about the Yamaha line of bikes. How dependable is a Seca II engine... what is the power output. How many miles can one expect from a Seca II. If you have a Seca II, or have ridden them in the past, what do you have to say about them. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 17:36:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29765 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18289 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:36:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22052 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id AWZKa19752 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:34:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:34:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: 1999 AMA TV Coverage Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_916871666_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916871666_boundary Content-ID: <0_916871666@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In case anyone is interested. Jack --part0_916871666_boundary Content-ID: <0_916871666@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (rly-zc05.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.5]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v56.22) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:54:03 -0500 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by rly-zc05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA28184; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 16:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11374; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:49:14 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:49:14 -0800 Message-Id: <19990120214133.1141.rocketmail@send105.yahoomail.com> Errors-To: race-owner@XXXXXX Reply-To: gslabbert@XXXXXX Originator: race@XXXXXX Sender: race@XXXXXX Precedence: bulk From: Gavin Slabbert To: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Subject: 1999 AMA TV Coverage X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Motorcycle Roadracing Listserver Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I received this in the mail today, hope it answers some TV coverage questions. No Pro Thunder and probably very little Formula Xtreme coverage 1999 AMA MBNA SUPERBIKE TOUR BROADCAST SCHEDULE EVENT DATE LOCATION CLASS NETWORK AIR DATE TIME (E.S.T.) March 7 Daytona Beach, FL Superbike ESPN2 March 7 5:30 p.m. March 21 Phoenix, AZ Superbike Speedvision March 21 Live March 21 Phoenix, AZ Superbike Fox Sports Net March 27 Noon March 21 Phoenix, AZ Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA March 21 Phoenix, AZ SuperSport Speedvision March 21 4:00 p.m. April 18 Rosamond, CA Superbike Speevision April 18 Live April 18 Rosamond, CA Superbike Fox Sports Net April 24 Noon April 18 Rosamond, CA Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA April 18 Rosamond, CA SuperSport Fox Sports Net April 18 4:00 p.m. April 18 Rosamond, CA SuperSport Speedvision TBA April 25 Sonoma, CA Superbike Speedvision April 25 Live April 25 Sonoma, CA Superbike Fox Sports Net May 1 Noon April 25 Sonoma, CA Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA April 25 Sonoma, CA SuperSport Fox Sports Net April 25 4:00 p.m. April 25 Sonoma, CA SuperSport Speedvision TBA May 2 Monterey, CA Superbike Speedvision May 2 Live May 2 Monterey, CA Superbike Fox Sports Net May 8 Noon May 2 Monterey, CA Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA May 2 Monterey, CA SuperSport Fox Sports Net May 8 Noon May 2 Monterey, CA SuperSport Speedvision TBA June 5 Braselton, GA Superbike #1 Speedvision June 5 Live June 5 Braselton, GA Superbike #2 Speedvision June 6 Live June 5 Braselton, GA Superbike #2 Fox Sports Net June 12 Noon June 5 Braselton, GA Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA June 5 Braselton, GA SuperSport Fox Sports Net June 6 4:00 p.m. June 13 Elkhart Lake, WI Superbike Speedvision June 13 Live June 13 Elkhart Lake, WI Superbike Fox Sports Net June 19 Noon June 13 Elkhart Lake, WI Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA June 13 Elkhart Lake, WI SuperSport Fox Sports Net June 13 4:00 p.m. June 13 Elkhart Lake, WI SuperSport Speedvision TBA June 20 Loudon, NH Superbike TNN TBA July 10 Monterey, CA SuperSport Speedvision TBA July 10 Monterey, CA SuperSport Fox Sports Net July 17 Noon July 18 Lexington, OH Superbike Speedvision July 18 Live July 18 Lexington, OH Superbike Fox Sports Net July 24 Noon July 18 Lexington, OH Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA July 18 Lexington, OH SuperSport Fox Sports Net July 18 4:00 p.m. July 18 Lexington, OH SuperSport Speedvision TBA August 1 Brainerd, MN Superbike Speedvision August 1 Live August 1 Brainerd, MN Superbike Fox Sports Net August 7 Noon August 1 Brainerd, MN Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA August 1 Brainerd, MN SuperSport Fox Sports Net August 1 4:00 p.m. August 1 Brainerd, MN SuperSport Speedvision TBA September 19 Fountain, CO Superbike Speedvision September 19 Live September 19 Fountain, CO Superbike Fos Sports Net TBA September 19 Fountain, CO Formula Xtreme Speedvision TBA September 19 Fountain, CO SuperSport Fox Sports Net TBA September 19 Fountain, CO SuperSport Speedvision TBA October 3 Las Vegas, NV Superbike ESPN2 TBA Schedule is subject to change. Check local listings for times in your area. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com --part0_916871666_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 17:43:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29875 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA18393 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22301 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:43:47 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0FRWa06037 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:41:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4f5c8917.36a65ba3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:41:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) - OEM ball bearings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 1/20/99 4:30:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Errr...ummm...errrrr... My 97 GSXR is OEM equiped with plane ole ball bearings!!! >> Yeah my TL is too. I think Suz sticks with ball bearings because of the lower friction. However I have heard of stories where, in crashes, the bearing race jams INTO the frame causing frame damage. I was thinking about switching to tapered rollers but the cost is probably more than its worth. For those interested check out "http://www.tfb.com/~cbr/". Lots of cool stuff if thats your thing. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 18:25:46 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00651 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:25:45 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9EZTa19752; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:11:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3c5d44ba.36a66292@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:11:14 EST To: harris@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/20/99 8:38:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, harris@XXXXXX writes: << If you have any ?'s about the tech reqirements for the school you can ask me. I'm one of the guys that run the RRS, and do the tech insp for both the schools and MARRC track days. >> Thanks very much. I will certainly ask as it gets closer to spring. Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 18:38:26 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00869 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8GKLa01428; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:34:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:34:28 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/20/99 9:54:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << There must be a better explanation as to why the rear brake exists other than as an 'emergency brake'. >> I think the biggest problem in Italy is that when kids turn 14 they are licensed to ride 50cc motorcycles and scooters on the street. My Italjet Mustang (50cc) back in 1966 would do 100 Kph which is quite fast for a 14 year old. The biggest cause of crashes for these kids is that they come from riding bicycles on which the rear brake is used almost exclusively and they tend to continue to do this on motorized bikes and even though it is a foot pedal. Since using the rear brake as a matter of course (and when panicking) is considered dangerous, the easiest way to break the habit before they turn 16 and can be licensed to ride 125cc bikes which can go 120-130 KPH is to make it an "emergency" brake. I guess they are trying to avoid that a rider aautomatically hit the rear brake in a panic situation where invariably too much pressure will be put on the pedal causing a slide, reducing stability with no rear wheel spinning to help keep you upright. I guess the minimal reduction in stopping distance is not considered worth the increased chance of dropping the bike. Also, cruisers with a rear weight bias are the exception rather than the rule in Italy, which is the opposite in the U.S. I also believe that the average speed and style of riding in Europe is higher and more aggressive making it more difficult to safely use the rear brake. i.e. average big bike cruising speeds are 120+ on autostradas, splitting lanes is not illegal and the rule rather than the exception etc. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 18:57:36 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01219 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:57:35 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ONNKa07784; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:44:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9c70ec49.36a66a78@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:44:56 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/20/99 1:50:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Oh yeah, it's All-American. I think the big problem with some older riders (like my father-in-law, self taught, so you can't possibly teach him anything more) is that they commonly thought "back in the old days" that front brake usage would "throw you over the handlebars", hence too many folks here relied too much on the rear brake. >> I have noticed that many Americans are sensitive to the rear brake issue. While it seems quite logical to me that ignoring the rear is the safest thing for a beginning rider to do (and intermediate riders for that matter) it is an opinion not shared by most American riders or the MSF. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 18:58:15 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01229 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:58:14 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VAILa07798; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:49:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:49:00 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, Todd.B.Peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/20/99 2:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << Uh, oh. Get him Glenn! :) The VFR800 has the 3rd generation linked brakes and has impressive stopping distances for a bike of its weight... Rear wheel skids are almost non-existent. >> I certainly agree that ABS or effective linked brakes that insure no rear wheel lock-up using only the front lever can be a good thing. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 19:09:13 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01433 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:09:07 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QZZQa07010; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <633170ce.36a66d1f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:56:15 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/20/99 3:13:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << I think the prevailing wisdem of the older riders (That'd be you too Fred, right?) was that the front brakes on the older bikes just plain sucked. You NEEDED to use the rear so you could stop. Which brings me to my next statements....... >> First of all, I resent your description of me as older, in fact I am now going to buy Grecian Formula to avoid such slanderous comments in the future. Yes but I never used or depended on the rear brake on older bikes. Frankly, if the front dual leading shoe was ineffective the rear single leading shoe was either off or on there was no happy medium. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 19:25:17 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01691 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust040.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.40]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01044; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:25:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990121002212.006ba130@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:22:12 -0500 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) At 02:14 PM 1/20/99 -0500, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Everyone I hear gripe about the system usually has >never ridden a bike with one. Why do you need your brakes separated? My question. Which would you prefer in 2" of snow? I use the rear brake almost exclusively when riding on ice or snow. On the recent weekend when we had the snow, I had an occasion to drive my son's '88 Firebird with a 3.70 rear end. I had to use the parking brake just to get it moving (the foot brake held the front wheels until the rear started to spin.) On pavement I think I would prefer a linked system, but still frequently find myself using one brake or the other. Leon - leaning more towards ABS than linked - with few choices near 500 lbs. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 19:39:52 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01964 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA22683 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:41:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801be44d6$cdf61820$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" Cc: Subject: Motorcycle Parking Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:41:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I know this has been posted before but I didn't keep the list. I just changed jobs and would like to know if there is any motorcycle parking near 23rd & N Sts. NW, DC. I know someone out there has the list...Thanks for any help! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 19:40:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01978 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA19813 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25467 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16349 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust040.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.40]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA01492 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990121003721.006eeb60@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:37:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) At 03:56 PM 1/20/99 -0500, Todd Peer wrote: >Well, with the latest LBS and ABS technologies it is highly unlikely you >could purposely start a skid/slide, so the point may be moot. I'll take that bet. Nobody ever lets me ride their bike in the weather that I'd like to try in in. It'd be worth losing just to give it a try. The cool part is that I pay if I can't make it fall over. How much? Leon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 19:42:00 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01988 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:41:59 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6ITZa06036; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:44 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2b7ac551.36a6778c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:40:44 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/20/99 7:30:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << I use the rear brake almost exclusively when riding on ice or snow. >> I don't ride on ice or snow, but if i did I would ride very slowly and use the rear brake. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 21:23:52 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA03727 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.26.89] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id AE8D15700E4; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:18:53 EST Message-ID: <36A6902C.DB3563C3@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 21:25:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: <1.5.4.32.19990121002212.006ba130@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess you could throw me in that corner as well. I'm gradually seeing the light in regards to ABS. I'm still concerned that bike manufacturers are all too eager to design & develop the latest gizmo in order to jack up the selling price accordingly. Leon Begeman wrote: > > Leon - leaning more towards ABS than linked -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 23:24:30 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05725 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:24:29 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8EAIa01433 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:22:19 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <9485ff37.36a6ab7b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:22:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: ABS question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In every car I've driven that was equipped with ABS, there was always this horrible grumbling/rumbling sound like a low grade earthquake emanating from the wheels. Are motorcycle ABS systems like this as well? That must be disconcerting whilst panic-braking on a bike..... -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 23:36:23 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05947 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:36:21 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id XAA07566; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:37:48 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa07518; Wed, 20 Jan 99 23:37:14 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5W00G6B7I2GF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256700.001916D7 ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:34:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 23:33:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking To: Thomas and Jeannette Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256700.0018DD24.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Jeannette, >From your friends at the DC parking authority .... --chris ********************************************************************** Parking Tips: 1. When parked in spaces designed for their exclusive use, motorcycles must park in designated areas with rear wheel to the curb. 2. Metered parking is in effect during the hours posted. 3. No motorized vehicle without pedals shall park on islands or sidewalks. 4. Park one motorcycle per stall. 5. Most parking is metered for 12 hours, at 25 cents per hour. 6. Motorcycles may park in metered zones for automobiles providing the parking meter is paid. When parked in spaces designed for automobiles, motorcycles should park parallel to the curb. 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces 800 block C St. SW -- 10 600 block Indiana Ave. NW -- 6 600 block G St. NW --6 200 block Independence Ave SE -- 9 600 block 2nd St. NW -- 10 spaces 2000 block T St NW -- 10 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 1700 block M St. NW -- 31 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 2100 block Eye St. NW -- 10 spaces 1800 block H St NW -- 16 2200 block E St NW -- 9 Unit block G St NW -- 8 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces 1500 block 19th St NW -- 7 1700 block G St NW -- 11 2200 block F St NW -- 6 1400 block M St NW -- 6 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces 600 block E St NW -- 6 900 block 15th St NW -- 12 1800 block Eye St NW -- 9 1300 block K St NW -- 9 1800 block Pennsylvania Ave NW -- 9 spaces 2000 block Florida Ave NW -- 10 300 block Virginia Ave SW -- 10 1800 block M St NW -- 24 1100 block Thomas Jefferson St NW -- 5 3000 block VanNess St NW -- 13 spaces 2500 block 6th St NW -- 10 To: cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Thomas and Jeannette Date: 01/21/99 12:41:37 AM GMT Subject: Motorcycle Parking I know this has been posted before but I didn't keep the list. I just changed jobs and would like to know if there is any motorcycle parking near 23rd & N Sts. NW, DC. I know someone out there has the list...Thanks for any help! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 00:09:35 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06430 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24302 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:14:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990121000956.0093e550@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:10:20 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: joke 4 the listers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" as heard on "hollywood squares" ... Why do the Hell's Angels wear leather? (Paul Lynde:) Because chiffon wrinkles so easily have a good one!!!!!!! --w wes@XXXXXX http://shadow.newspeak.org/ '96 Honda Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 Honda CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 VJMC #1884 SCRC #11001 (VA State Officer) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 05:57:11 1999 Return-Path: dreamer@XXXXXX Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [209.48.224.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA13000 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from brat.knowhere.net (port62.annex4.radix.net [209.48.225.190]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA20957; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:57:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901211057.FAA20957@mail1.radix.net> X-Sender: dreamer@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 05:59:33 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX From: "Dawn G.T. Gibson" Subject: Re: ABS question Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <9485ff37.36a6ab7b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_16346288==_.ALT" --=====================_16346288==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 PM 1/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >In every car I've driven that was equipped with ABS, there was always this >horrible grumbling/rumbling sound like a low grade earthquake emanating from >the wheels. Are motorcycle ABS systems like this as well? That must be >disconcerting whilst panic-braking on a bike..... My K75SA had ABS and I never heard a rumble like you describe. At the Finger Lakes Rally there were over a 1000 BMWs, many of which had ABS and I never heard this rumble you describe. Perhaps it's just a cage thing? Dawn Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX '96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad --=====================_16346288==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
At 11:22 PM 1/20/99 -0500, you wrote:

>In every car I've driven that was equipped with ABS, there was always this
>horrible grumbling/rumbling sound like a low grade earthquake emanating from
>the wheels. Are motorcycle ABS systems like this as well? That must be
>disconcerting whilst panic-braking on a bike.....

My K75SA had ABS and I never heard a rumble like you describe.  At the Finger Lakes Rally there were over a 1000 BMWs, many of which had ABS and I never heard this rumble you describe.  Perhaps it's just a cage thing?

Dawn
Dawn G.T. Gibson, dreamer@XXXXXX
'96 Virago 1100 Special, KnowMad
 --=====================_16346288==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 07:38:50 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14445 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:38:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901211238.HAA14445@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:38:11 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: OEM ball bearings Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:38:09 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > > Yeah my TL is too. I think Suz sticks with ball bearings > because of the lower > friction. However I have heard of stories where, in crashes, > the bearing race > jams INTO the frame causing frame damage. I was thinking > about switching to > tapered rollers but the cost is probably more than its worth. I don't know, off hand, of any company that uses tapered bearings for their new bikes. Ball bearings are great, you have less friction, and deceint wear.. but they do wear out. They get smashed when doing wheelies, and end up in shreds. They tend to fail, just like wheel bearings, at an earlier time than when tapered bearing fail (not that I'd know when a tapered bearing fails.. never managed to get one TO fail). And the cost really isn't that much. $50 for the bearings and races for the stearing head. Maybe 2~3 hours total time with average tools to change them out and be done with it. I've only done 3 bikes so-far, with the first one taking, by far, the longest.. My VFR, which I just changed on Monday, was cake. I did have to borrow a puller for the race on the steering stem, but it's possible to get it off yourself with a screwdriver and hammer. Not that many people on this list will ever need to replace the bearings.. they don't usualy need replacement till about 10 years or 50k miles have passed.. (from my limited experiences...) Ok, end rambling.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 08:18:58 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15054 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A93B3D903F6; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:18:54 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990121080356.00ffe3c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:05:27 -0500 To: DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) In-Reply-To: <36A6902C.DB3563C3@tidalwave.net> References: <1.5.4.32.19990121002212.006ba130@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:25 PM 1/20/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >I guess you could throw me in that corner as well. I'm >gradually seeing the light in regards to ABS. I'm still >concerned that bike manufacturers are all too eager to >design & develop the latest gizmo in order to jack up >the selling price accordingly. I'm super-pleased I have the ABS on my bike, and I really missed it when the computer lost its mind about a month ago (I successfully reset it myself). For two-up touring it gives me a lot more confidence to really nail the brakes if I have to. And when caught in bad weather, it sure was nice to have when riding home in slippery conditions. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 08:19:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15058 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A93F3D903F6; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:18:55 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990121080538.01001610@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:08:57 -0500 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: ABS question In-Reply-To: <9485ff37.36a6ab7b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:22 PM 1/20/99 , Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >In every car I've driven that was equipped with ABS, there was always this >horrible grumbling/rumbling sound like a low grade earthquake emanating from >the wheels. Are motorcycle ABS systems like this as well? That must be >disconcerting whilst panic-braking on a bike..... >-Sean Jordan Yes, that's the noise of the brakes cycling. I love it! I also wish they would let the feel come through the brake pedal/lever. I want the feedback to know what's happening. It does on my bike, but didn't on a rental car. I had to brake suddenly in that car and nearly put the pedal through the floor since the ABS never gave me feedback that it was working, and I kept on pressing waiting for a wheel to lock or the ABS to tell me it was working. I got stopped okay, but nearly had a heart attack thinking the brakes weren't right. The problem is that salesmen won't educate their customers, and customers have reported "bad brakes" when they feel the ABS work. Idiots. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 08:18:58 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15053 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A93E3D903F6; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:18:54 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990121075925.00fd3a70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:00:21 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) In-Reply-To: <001e01be44b7$5d3c9d30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <36A63DDE.B7AD5CA5@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:56 PM 1/20/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Well, with the latest LBS and ABS technologies it is highly unlikely you >could purposely start a skid/slide, so the point may be moot. Nope, darn it. Can't speak for the LBS, but BMW's ABS works only when you're upright. Braking while leaned over can still lock the wheel. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 08:42:55 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15487 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AEDB40203DC; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:42:51 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990121084534.00ffd2a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:50:03 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: I won one! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hell hath frozen over -- DC just cancelled a ticket I got! Last August I was ticketed for "tags been altered" on my temporary tag -- the dealer started to write the issuing date then corrected it to the expiration date. The anti-tamper plastic cover and anti-tamper hologram were intact, but DC wrote the $100 ticket anyway. (There was an article in The Washington Post in the previous day or two about problems with altered tags, so perhaps the ticket writer was sensitive to the issue). I requested mail adjudication, sent in copies of several documents to show when I bought the bike, and a notorized letter from the dealer explaining what happened. Yesterday I got a letter that DC had "dismissed the infraction". Hooray! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 09:32:16 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16254 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA23378; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:30:31 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990121143114.ZPEC1406@toddnt>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:31:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:30:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be454a$9123c6d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A6902C.DB3563C3@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal The surest sign the conspirocy is working is that it cannot be proved. I think Dale is onto something ;) Todd > > I guess you could throw me in that corner as well. I'm > gradually seeing the light in regards to ABS. I'm still > concerned that bike manufacturers are all too eager to > design & develop the latest gizmo in order to jack up > the selling price accordingly. > > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > Leon - leaning more towards ABS than linked > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR > 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 09:38:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16331 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29285 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA08979 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5UNSa05340 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:36:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6714144e.36a73b83@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:36:51 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: OEM ball bearings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I didnt feel that I have the "juevos" to try to replace them myself so my "cost" included having a dealership do it. While the bearings themselves may only be $65 the labor to have them changed would have been at least $150! Thats over $200 for some bearings and thats too much for my liking. I hadnt heard that wheelies will affect your bearings but it makes sense. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 09:57:24 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16665 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA18037; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:58:44 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017375; Thu, 21 Jan 99 09:57:18 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5X0007L07HP6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256700.0051DCB4 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:54:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:53:11 -0500 Subject: Re: I won one! To: Chris Norloff Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256700.00518F47.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Have you called Guiness yet? --chris From: Chris Norloff Date: 01/21/99 01:50:03 PM GMT Subject: I won one! Hell hath frozen over -- DC just cancelled a ticket I got! --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 10:06:49 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16822 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:06:48 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VMBQa27801; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:04:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <384d6ace.36a741fb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:04:27 EST To: zellto@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 there's parking on the corner of M and New Hampshire - I always see three or four or eight (when it's warm) bikes out there... In a message dated 1/20/99 7:46:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, zellto@XXXXXX writes: > I know this has been posted before but I didn't keep the list. I just > changed jobs and would like to know if there is any motorcycle parking near > 23rd & N Sts. NW, DC. I know someone out there has the list...Thanks for > any help! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 10:32:07 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17231 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:32:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990121153443.6296.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.228.195] by send104.yahoomail.com; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:34:43 PST Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:34:43 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: I Finally Got a R1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I just picked up my new R1 from the dealers last night. Does anyone else on the list own one? I got a premium insurance quote for $5400 a year. Is that rediculous or what. That's nearly half of what the bike is worth. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 10:43:50 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17391 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZHESKVP; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:41:26 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: ABS question Message-ID: <19990121.103958.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990121080538.01001610@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,8-12,16-20 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:41:26 EST On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 08:08:57 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >At 11:22 PM 1/20/99 , Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >I had to brake suddenly in that car and nearly put the pedal through the floor since >the ABS never gave me feedback that it was working, and I kept on pressing waiting >for a wheel to lock or the ABS to tell me it was working. I got stopped okay, but >nearly had a heart attack thinking the brakes weren't right. <> I hate when that happens. OTOH, the first time I jumped on the brakes in an ABS car, I thought I broke it. I wasn't expecting all the noise and commotion that came through the brake pedal. I panicked, because I was on an unauthorized test drive in my mother's 3-day old car... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. Congratulations on beating the rap! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 10:47:37 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17490 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:47:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901211547.KAA17490@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:47:30 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 07:47:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) LMFAO - gotta LOVE owning a 'new' bike.. Ok, I'm VERY cynical about new bikes for a couple reasons.. like, can you actually, honestly say you'll be able to ride that thing to it's potential on the street and get away with it for any peroid of time? How about owning something outright? The insurance is no laughing matter.. Man, I'm glad I own a cheap piece of crap that costs next to nothing to insure.. still can't ride it to it's potential (though I'm close).. and the damn thing's still unique enough you don't seem them very often. Bah.. I'm ranting. Congrats on the bike, hope you enjoy it. Much luck on finding affordable insurance.. Brian (hates new bikes, but not for the reasons Dale does) McCoy > -----Original Message----- > From: Mehran [mailto:mehran7@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 10:35 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: I Finally Got a R1 > > > I just picked up my new R1 from the dealers last night. > Does anyone else on the list own one? > I got a premium insurance quote for $5400 a year. > Is that rediculous or what. That's nearly half of what the bike is > worth. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 11:02:17 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17751 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:02:05 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA20296; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:02:39 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa19576; Thu, 21 Jan 99 11:00:53 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5X00B3V35HQ0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256700.0057AF55 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:57:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:51:26 -0500 Subject: Cornerworking? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256700.00572C25.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hi all. I'm thinking of doing some MARRC cornerworking this season, and was wondering what people who've done it think of the experience. I've never cornerworked before and really don't know anything about it aside from what I've read at the MARRC website. Is the work rewarding and interesting or dull and repetitive? Does the proximity to the track and the involvement in the race outweigh the fact that you're stuck in one place for a long time? Is there a good system of training so that I wouldn't feel overwhelmed by the rules and regulations? Thanks to any and all who can shed a little light on this for me. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 11:14:19 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17942 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:13:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Brian, Brian, Brian. All you need to do is find the right insurance company. When I first got the 98 VFR I checked with Allstate (who I had my car insured with) and they wanted $6100.00 . That's not a mistype. I called Universal who I had the Magna with and they wanted $1200.00. Mike B. told me about Farmers who he had his 9R through. I called them up and now have full coverage on the VFR for $380 a year. So owning a new bike doesn't mean high insurance all the time. Glenn > LMFAO - gotta LOVE owning a 'new' bike.. Ok, I'm VERY cynical about new > bikes for a couple reasons.. like, can you actually, honestly say you'll > be > able to ride that thing to it's potential on the street and get away with > it > for any peroid of time? How about owning something outright? The > insurance > is no laughing matter.. Man, I'm glad I own a cheap piece of crap that > costs next to nothing to insure.. still can't ride it to it's potential > (though I'm close).. and the damn thing's still unique enough you don't > seem > them very often. > > Bah.. I'm ranting. Congrats on the bike, hope you enjoy it. Much luck on > finding affordable insurance.. > > Brian (hates new bikes, but not for the reasons Dale does) McCoy > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 11:21:37 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18142 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA04192 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:22:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199901211722.MAA04192@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990121153443.6296.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Wow! Perhaps an insurance quote like that can shed a little light on what people tend to do ( or don't do ) on a bike like that... But then again they haven't gotten the nickname "widow maker" for nothing. FWIW, coming from a guy who rides a 400... But really, congrats on the new bike...it's a sweet ride... -John Newman 1988 FZR 400 From: Mehran I just picked up my new R1 from the dealers last night. Does anyone else on the list own one? I got a premium insurance quote for $5400 a year. Is that rediculous or what. That's nearly half of what the bike is worth. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 11:35:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18423 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:35:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA14407; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:37:17 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014164; Thu, 21 Jan 99 11:36:57 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5X00DYF4THHH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256700.005AFABA ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:33:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:30:24 -0500 Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <85256700.005ABF8F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Brian wrote: "LMFAO - gotta LOVE owning a 'new' bike.. Ok, I'm VERY cynical about new bikes for a couple reasons.. like, can you actually, honestly say you'll be able to ride that thing to it's potential on the street and get away with it for any peroid of time? How about owning something outright? The insurance is no laughing matter.. Man, I'm glad I own a cheap piece of crap that costs next to nothing to insure.. still can't ride it to it's potential (though I'm close).. and the damn thing's still unique enough you don't seem them very often." Aw, come on Brian. If it weren't for people buying new bikes, you'd have no used bikes to buy. Besides, people sometimes just want a nice new toy to play with. The whole "you can't use it's full capability anyway" argument's getting old too. People constantly buy things they can't use fully, but that doesn't mean it won't provide them with enjoyment. Hell, my folks don't know how to operate all the features on their VCR, but no one tells them they should just stick to going to the multiplex. Who among us can use the full potential of the cage they drive? People don't whine about Porsche drivers getting themselves in over their heads. I don't buy it. As for the costs involved in it, that's up to each individual. Just because you don't see the justification doesn't mean someone else won't. Sure, you can get a used machine that performs over your abilities, but some people prefer buying new. Let's live and let live. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 11:52:45 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18727 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103NL3-0006hq-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:52:13 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09781 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:56:26 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED784@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cornerworking? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:56:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain On Thursday, January 21, 1999 10:51 AM, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hi all. > > I'm thinking of doing some MARRC cornerworking this season, and was > wondering what people who've done it think of the experience. I spent a couple weekends cornerworking with MARRC before I jumped into racing. Do it!! You will not regret that you did. I had a great time and everyone was very helpful. There are a couple of jobs you could do, either wave the flags or bike pick-up. I did bike-pick up because I thought I would be more helpful as I am slightly bigger than average and also because I thought it would be more exciting to be the one to rush out and help a downed rider and bike. I've never > cornerworked before and really don't know anything about it aside from what > I've read at the MARRC website. I didnt know much other than what I read on the website also. I just showed up early and they put me to work. Is the work rewarding and interesting or > dull and repetitive? As I said above it was very exciting and I loved being that close to the action. I also felt much more involved participating than watching from the stands. As for dull and repetitive . . . . Um . . . NO!! My first corner was turn 1, the turn after the long straight. Imagine 30 or so middleweight amateurs screaming down the front straight at full throttle, braking at the very last possible second, and all fighting to get in front and on that little 6 inch wide line that has the traction at Summit! Dull never entered my mind. It is a long day but the time went buy fast and they feed you! Does the proximity to the track and the involvement in > the race outweigh the fact that you're stuck in one place for a long time? Yes, without doubt. Just make sure you are prepared. Sunscreen for summer, layered clothing, etc. > Is there a good system of training so that I wouldn't feel overwhelmed by > the rules and regulations? They are pretty good about explaining things and answering questions you may have. They do have a Cornerworking class that is very comprehensive, but I hadnt taken it and I was fine. Check their website for details. Bottom line is "Just Do it"! You wont regret that you did. Everyone who has ever gone to Summit should spend a weekend cornerworking, its a different race from inside the fence. Please feel free to contact me if you have more questions. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:02:59 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18924 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26644 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:02:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:02:50 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: <85256700.005ABF8F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > The whole "you can't use it's full capability anyway" argument's getting > old too. Well, there aren't too many bikes out there that most of us can use to the full ability of the bike. Stick a world class racer on your bike that you think you can get near the edge of the bike's ability and see how much faster the racer can go with it... Um, I guess this is an argument against Brian's opinion too. I think. Maybe I'm just confusing things or just like to be argumentative... Maybe I should go eat lunch. > People don't whine about Porsche drivers getting themselves in over > their heads. I don't buy it. I guess you're not on any car lists... Not only do they whine about it but they are offended that someone who's a sucky driver is even allowed to buy such a fine piece of machinery. If they could, many enthusiasts would have dealers institute driving tests for purchasers of certain vehicles... > Let's live and let live. Yeah, but part of that is allowing everyone to have an opinion. I don't think anything is going to stop an opinionated individual like Brian from expressing himself - no matter how stupid some of his opinions are. I actually agree with some of his opinions, on rare occasions. Ooh, almost forgot the :) for the above comment... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:06:21 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19003 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07438 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC90C@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: bikes for sale Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:08:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's a deal I spotted on the race list....not bad at all... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:33:10 EST From: Ridethelin@XXXXXX To: race@XXXXXX Subject: Racebike for sale Message-ID: I have a yzf600, about 500 street miles, about 1.5 race seasons on it. It has exhaust, jet kit, spare gears, clips ons, rear pegs, fork springs, shock spring, fork spacers, spare tail section, pirrelli rain tires (new), spare crashed upper (can be fixed), I also have all street plastic (black and grey mint condition and tank) and everything else needed to change over to street. $4000obo I still have not sold my 98 gsxr600 either all stock, mint condition, 1300miles or so... if anyone is interested $6500 Or $10,000 for both. Located in Michigan, about a hour west of Detroit. Thanks ------------------------------ From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:22:22 1999 Return-Path: RWestbrook@XXXXXX Received: from ns.rtcdirect.com ([208.138.238.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19318 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from grover.rtcdirect.com ([192.168.16.9]) by ns.rtcdirect.com (2.0 Build 2119 (Berkeley 8.8.4)/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA10121; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:33:29 -0500 Received: by GROVER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:20:28 -0500 Message-ID: <71D739DB74A8D111BB1800805FA9C4956A6A93@GROVER> From: "Westbrook, Richard" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Cornerworking? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:20:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I did some corner working last year and had a great time. I went to the class before hand which I highly recommend. They feed you a lot of information that I think would be overwhelming if you just showed up before the races. It does turn out to be a long and tiring day, but it is always exciting. I would highly recommend it. > ---------- > From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 10:51 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Cornerworking? > > Hi all. > > I'm thinking of doing some MARRC cornerworking this season, and was > wondering what people who've done it think of the experience. I've never > cornerworked before and really don't know anything about it aside from > what > I've read at the MARRC website. Is the work rewarding and interesting or > dull and repetitive? Does the proximity to the track and the involvement > in > the race outweigh the fact that you're stuck in one place for a long time? > Is there a good system of training so that I wouldn't feel overwhelmed by > the rules and regulations? > > Thanks to any and all who can shed a little light on this for me. > > Chris Weaver > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:30:54 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19497 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:30:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:30:25 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:30:10 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Me! Ask Todd or Brian! Glenn > Who among us can use the > full potential of the cage they drive? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:34:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19507 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA19590; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 17:30:38 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990121173325.VKW1406@toddnt>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 11:33:25 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Cornerworking? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:32:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be4564$02fe02c0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <85256700.00572C25.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal Since you've already been to the website, you are probably aware of the cornerworkers school coming up. Take the school, it's good and it allows you to meet some of the people you will be working with. Furthermore, the common .5hr meeting before racetime is more easily interpretted knowing what you already know from school. My personal experience has ranged from some dull to very exciting. Sometimes the fact that you are an authority and are depended upon to be responsible at the track gets lost due to a relatively quiet (few crashes) day. Then all hell breaks loose and you need to be thinking and acting. The view from all the corners I've worked is excellent (bring good binoculors for the view of some of the cuter spectators ;). Basically, you are right on top of the track, positioned in a way as to not get run over (though that happened last year), and in a way to respond quickly and safely. So far, only after a single season, I would say the work is satisfying and rewarding. It can also be very tiring while standing in the sun. You are basically stuck on your feet for 9-hours w/lunch and Saturday dinner (provided of course). The best worker position, IMO is corner-captain. Others like to play pick-up and others like to be flagger. If you come up, plan to stay the evening (Camp). It's relaxing to sit around the fire and BS with some of the other workers. Todd > Hi all. > > I'm thinking of doing some MARRC cornerworking this season, and was > wondering what people who've done it think of the experience. I've never > cornerworked before and really don't know anything about it aside > from what > I've read at the MARRC website. Is the work rewarding and interesting or > dull and repetitive? Does the proximity to the track and the > involvement in > the race outweigh the fact that you're stuck in one place for a long time? > Is there a good system of training so that I wouldn't feel overwhelmed by > the rules and regulations? > > Thanks to any and all who can shed a little light on this for me. > > Chris Weaver > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:44:15 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19716 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:43:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:43:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Uh, how about a dirt bike? :-) I don't think you'll ever catch me on snow with a street bike. Its been so long since I rode a bike in snow I can't remember which brake I used! Anyhow, I've never needed the rear brakes on a cage to get going in the snow. I think it still comes down to most people are not going to need separated brakes, even in the rain, maybe snow but not rain. Glenn > My question. Which would you prefer in 2" of snow? I use the rear brake > almost exclusively when riding on ice or snow. On the recent weekend when > we had the snow, I had an occasion to drive my son's '88 Firebird with a > 3.70 rear end. I had to use the parking brake just to get it moving (the > foot brake held the front wheels until the rear started to spin.) > > On pavement I think I would prefer a linked system, but still frequently > find myself using one brake or the other. > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:48:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19808 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA02367 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA15382 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256700.006114D8 ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:40:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256700.0060F831.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:40:22 -0500 Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Me! Ask Todd or Brian! Glenn > Who among us can use the > full potential of the cage they drive? Hey Glenn! I want one of those rides. Sounds like fun! 8-) Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:54:16 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19937 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901211754.MAA19937@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:54:09 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: other rants about using potental.. Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 09:54:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well, I don't know about the FULL potential.. but he gets damn close.. I'm fairly sure I could get a lot closer than most people as well.. though it might take me awhile, out of the practice of driving a car (damn, it's been since about June that I was behind the wheel of a cage).. Funny, someone doesn't like my opinion.. oh, besides Kirk.. :) Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [mailto:Dysart@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 12:30 PM > To: 'DC Cycles' > Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 > > > Me! Ask Todd or Brian! > > Glenn > > > Who among us can use the > > full potential of the cage they drive? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:54:40 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19950 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Steve_Beck@XXXXXX'" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:53:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) The best place I've found (locally) are the on and off ramps around the Pentagon. Nothing like doing four wheel slides through them! I try to do it at least once a day and still can't believe my tires have lasted 55K miles. The best part is having passengers. I love watching them grab and hang on to the dash board. Anyhow, back to bikes. I haven't been out since December 6th and am having serious withdrawals! Glenn > Hey Glenn! I want one of those rides. Sounds like fun! 8-) > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 12:56:08 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19969 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06643 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:56:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199901211756.MAA06643@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:31 -0500 Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <85256700.005ABF8F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 21 Jan 99, at 11:30, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Who among us can use the full potential of the cage they drive? I was about to jump in and say that I come close on my Ford Ranger (it's no sports car!)... but then I realized that putting 125 lbs of greyhounds in the back doesn't come close to the weight carrying capacity! :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 '98 Ford Ranger Pick 'Em Up Truck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 13:12:24 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20323 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ADEE6B0372; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:11:58 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990121131714.018d8b20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:17:41 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Who among us can use the >> full potential of the cage they drive? I can! You oughta see all the stuff I can pack inside one of those! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 13:16:00 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20409 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02276 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:17:56 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC90E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:17:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I haven't been out in about 6 hours now.... I'm suffering through withdrawels too... Damn shame this work thing interferes so much with my riding... Collin (two day work week is hell :)) On Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:05 PM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: I haven't been out since > December 6th and am having serious withdrawals! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 13:33:38 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20671 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:33:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.145] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1E31950138; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:28:51 EST Message-ID: <36A77384.5171895C@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:35:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: <000401be454a$9123c6d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What, you guys doubted me? I am all-knowing! (NOT!) :) Dale (X-FilesRUs) Todd Peer wrote: > > The surest sign the conspirocy is working is that it cannot be proved. I > think Dale is onto something ;) > > Todd Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 13:43:44 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20844 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA18120; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:45:07 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017889; Thu, 21 Jan 99 13:44:30 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5X00FL5AO1U8@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256700.0066899C ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:39:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:36:24 -0500 Subject: Re: other rants about using potental.. To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <85256700.00653EC8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Hmm... You guys who think that you're using close to the full potential of your cage sure sound like the squids on bikes who think they're Miguel Duhamel. Don't forget that just because you can make your car do a four-wheel slide, that doesn't mean that a better driver can't take the turn faster and *without* making the tires slide (just as making your rear tire slide on a bike doesn't mean you're taking the turn the fastest way possible). This isn't meant as a flame, I just want to remind you guys/gals how different perception can be from reality. I've certainly done a Mario Andretti impression once or twice - going to college in West Virginia will do that to a person. : ) Oh, and Brian: I didn't mean to sound like I didn't like your opinion. I just don't *agree* with it. It's that whole "defend to the death your right to be dead wrong" thing. : ) Chris Well, I don't know about the FULL potential.. but he gets damn close.. I'm fairly sure I could get a lot closer than most people as well.. though it might take me awhile, out of the practice of driving a car (damn, it's been since about June that I was behind the wheel of a cage).. Funny, someone doesn't like my opinion.. oh, besides Kirk.. :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 13:47:48 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20953 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29252; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:47:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:47:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" cc: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: > Me! Ask Todd or Brian! > > > Who among us can use the > > full potential of the cage they drive? Hmmm, while I don't doubt your skills I think Villenueve or somesuch could drive your car faster than you... :0 But what's the point? I know the MR2 is more fun than my Contour but cars still suck compared to bikes, in terms of the fun factor... With both bikes and cars it's particularly fun to get a wheel off the ground. If you like doing that with your car take US250 at a good clip... :) Still not as fun as the bike (although the times I've gotten a wheel of the bike off the gound on 250 have been more nerve racking than fun). I guess if you feel you must commute in a car an MR2 is a good choice... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 13:49:48 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20967 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29307 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:49:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:49:42 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: other rants about using potental.. In-Reply-To: <85256700.00653EC8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Oh, and Brian: I didn't mean to sound like I didn't like your opinion. I > just don't *agree* with it. It's that whole "defend to the death your right > to be dead wrong" thing. : ) I, too, will defend to the death Brain's right to have his own opinions. How long do you think it'll take to kill him? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 14:04:10 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21237 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id SAA20412 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:02:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990121190341.BIWJ1406@toddnt> for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:03:41 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:02:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be4570$9e9967e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal This was forwarded to the HSTA list with the simple subject heading you see. This is not for the squeamish, and now that I've said so, you'll all go ahead and look anyway. You have been warned. > > http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/crash014-full.jpg > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 14:06:54 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21346 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: AVI Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:06:15 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I just got a motorcycle related AVI file sent to me that's worth looking at. If anyone wants to see it send me a message offline and I will forward it to you. Its 1 MB in size. Glenn From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 14:25:20 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21648 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:23:49 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Jan 1999 14:23:46 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 21 Jan 1999 14:23:46 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 057F636A77EC2001-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 057F636A77EC2001 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <057F636A77EC2001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 21 Jan 1999 14:23:46 -0500 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , dc Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Message-Id: <057F636A77EC2001*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> I was out about six hours ago as well, but it was on my real bike. The kind with pedals and no motor. I got fed up with using the mass transportation system and figured out I could ride to work faster than I can take mass transit. So until I get the another motorcycle I'm pushing pedals. Don B. -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:28 PM To: 'dc' Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 I haven't been out in about 6 hours now.... I'm suffering through withdrawels too... Damn shame this work thing interferes so much with my riding... Collin (two day work week is hell :)) On Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:05 PM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: I haven't been out since > December 6th and am having serious withdrawals! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 14:49:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22044 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04696 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA20227 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:49:41 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WLWWa05340; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:48:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23236b14.36a784aa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:48:58 EST To: tl1000s@.lists.best.com, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Frame and rim polishing Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Can anyone recommend a good place to get this done at in the baltimore- Annapolis area? Also, I need it done soon as my bike will be getting repainted soon and I want the frame and rims done first so the fairings dont have to come off again after the paint job. The bike is no driveable right now, the shifter and peg are not back on, so I need the place to pick it up if at all possble. Sean.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 14:52:05 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22133 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:52:03 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA24977; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:53:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa24782; Thu, 21 Jan 99 14:52:40 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5X0077ZDVSQT@XXXXXX>; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:52:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256700.006CE54E ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:49:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:46:04 -0500 Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 To: Kirk Roy Cc: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <85256700.006CA86B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If you want to experience all four wheels of your car or both wheels of your bike off the ground at once, I highly recommend Route 230 in the panhandle of West Va. near Shepherdstown. You can find this road by going up to Frederick, Md. on 270, get on 70 for a half mile and take the 340 west exit. Take 340 west past Harper's Ferry. A couple of miles past Harper's Ferry is the turnoff for 230 (it's marked, but easy to miss). At one point on this road is a set of two small hills in a row that you can lauch from like you're in a car chase in San Francisco. Better than Ballaugh Bridge in the TT, and the rest of the road is as twisty as a snake's backbone. If you're on your way up to Summit Point, you can take this road as a short detour. Chris Weaver P.S. Through four years of college, I've only seen a cop on this road once or twice. P.P.S. Bakerton Road (off 340 just after Harper's Ferry) is another great one. Kirk wrote: "With both bikes and cars it's particularly fun to get a wheel off the ground. If you like doing that with your car take US250 at a good clip... :) Still not as fun as the bike (although the times I've gotten a wheel of the bike off the gound on 250 have been more nerve racking than fun)." ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:01:38 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22297 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00986 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:01:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:01:25 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: <85256700.006CA873.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > If you want to experience all four wheels of your car or both wheels of > your bike off the ground at once, I highly recommend Route 230 in the > panhandle of West Va. near Shepherdstown. I don't want to jump my car or my street bike for that matter. Getting a wheel of your car off the ground on US250 can be done in the first set of corners heading west of Staunton, VA. The corners are sort of banked and have a rise when switching from one direction to the next... As for Rt 230 - whoops in the road aren't really compatible with my vertigo, which is too bad since they're fun until breakfast/lunch/dinner/snacks start to find their way back out. I'll still probably check the road out some day. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:04:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22325 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A85318103D8; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:04:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990121150900.018e2740@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:11:03 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: other rants about using potental.. In-Reply-To: <85256700.00653EC8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:36 PM 1/21/99 , christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Hmm... > >You guys who think that you're using close to the full potential of your >cage sure sound like the squids on bikes who think they're Miguel Duhamel. Reminds me of a fellow I met who took Reg Pridmore's CLASS riding school. This guy was quite experienced and was a certified MSF instructor. He did well in school and improved his lap times quite a bit. He told me he was zipping around the track feeling like he really had it down when Pridmore passed him like he was standing still ... and Pridmore was riding two-up. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:11:47 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22441 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:11:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01206 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:11:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: other rants about using potental.. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990121150900.018e2740@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > He told me he was zipping around the track feeling like he really had it > down when Pridmore passed him like he was standing still ... and Pridmore > was riding two-up. They have a word for those people - "bastards!" Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:14:05 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22520 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA23153 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:14:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990121151249.008d0100@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:12:49 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Cornerworking? In-Reply-To: <85256700.00572C25.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:51 AM 1/21/99 -0500, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: >Hi all. > >I'm thinking of doing some MARRC cornerworking this season, Cornerworking is the next best thing to racing. When I can't race I cornerwork. If you like watching motorcycle road racing you will not be disappointed. If you decide you want to take our Road Racing School and you have cornerworked at least one weekend you get a $30 discount of the cost of the school. Come to the race emergency school, info is at the MARRC website, one day, lots of info. Stephen Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:23:41 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22701 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13147 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:25:39 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC918@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Cornerworking? Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:25:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ooooh, I forgot to mention that earlier.. Thanks Steve (look for him at Daytona on the beastly TL-R!!) For all you guys that were planning on taking the first race school, Come out and cornerwork for the tune and test day on April 1. It's not officially MARRC sanctioned, but i'm betting if you talk real sweet to Steve, or Brian Summers then they'll count it for the discount... If not, at least you'll have a day up on the other guys since you'll be trained in the safety flags and basic safety issues. On Thursday, January 21, 1999 3:22 PM, Stephen Harris [SMTP:harris@XXXXXX] wrote: If you decide you want to take our Road Racing School and > you have cornerworked at least one weekend you get a $30 discount of the > cost of the school. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:31:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22882 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05438 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22235 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:31:49 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SRLa027801 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:27:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7315e0d1.36a78dac@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:27:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/21/99 2:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << This was forwarded to the HSTA list with the simple subject heading you see. This is not for the squeamish, and now that I've said so, you'll all go ahead and look anyway. You have been warned. >> Hmmm......if only the squids who ride in shorts and tanktops could see that pic. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:32:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22886 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05445 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22249 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:32:04 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9TMSa20554 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:28:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <211a5c51.36a78e01@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:28:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/21/99 2:08:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << This was forwarded to the HSTA list with the simple subject heading you see. This is not for the squeamish, and now that I've said so, you'll all go ahead and look anyway. You have been warned. >> If you go to a level to "http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/" you can look at some other pics including a guy flipping a bike during a wheelie. Good stuff.. Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 15:54:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23272 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06117 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23351 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 15:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA27683 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:17 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:17 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:54:14 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >If you go to a level to >"http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/" you can look >at some other pics including a guy flipping a bike >during a wheelie. Been there Done that On a Vespa, yet (my very first wheelie, back in '61) Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 18:17:40 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25638 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZH8U4WV; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:17:12 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: arguments for LBS, ABS, helmets, seatbelts, condoms and other protection Message-ID: <19990121.181539.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-3,5-14,16,18-24,26-27,29-31,33-34,36-39,41-42, 44-47,49-51,53-55,57,59,61,63-67,69-70,72-76,78,80,82,84-88, 90-91,93-96,98,100-101,103,105-106,108-110,112-114,116,118-120, 122-125,127-128,130,132-133,135-137,139,141,143,145,147-151, 153-156,158-162,164-165,167,169,171,173,175-176,178,180-181, 183-184,186-187,189-192,194,196,198,200,202-206 From: Bikes R Us Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:17:12 EST People like this are the reason things like LBS and ABS get invented... I also have last year's list if anyone would like to see it. The Darwin Awards honor the humans who demonstrate that there is a link between man and apes. This year's list of nominees also make a good argument for an IQ requirement before one can purchase a gun. . The 1998 nominees are: NOMINEE No.1 [San Jose Mercury News]: An unidentified man, using a shotgun like a club to break a former girlfriend's windshield accidentally shot himself to death when the gun discharged, blowing a hole in his gut. NOMINEE No.2: [Kalamazoo Gazette] James Burns, 34, (a mechanic) of Alamo, Mich., was killed in March as he was trying to repair what police described as a "farm-type truck." Burns got a friend to drive the truck on a highway while Burns hung underneath so that he could ascertain the source of a troubling noise. Burns' clothes caught on something, however, and the other man found Burns "wrapped in the drive shaft." NOMINEE No.3: [Hickory Daily Record] Ken Charles Barger, 47, accidentally shot himself to death in December in Newton, N.C., awakening to the sound of a ringing telephone beside his bed, he reached for the phone but grabbed instead a Smith & Wesson.38 Special, which discharged when he drew it to his ear. NOMINEE No.4: [UPI, Toronto] Police said a lawyer demonstrating the safety of windows in a downtown Toronto skyscraper crashed through a pane with his shoulder and plunged 24 floors to his death. A police spokesman said Garry Hoy, 39, fell into the courtyard of the Toronto Dominion Bank Tower early Friday evening as he was explaining the strength of the building's windows to visiting law students. Hoy previously had conducted demonstrations of window strength according to police reports. Peter Lawyers, managing partner of the firm Holden Day Wilson, told the Toronto Sun newspaper that Hoy was "one of the best and brightest" members of the 200-man association. NOMINEE No.5: [Bloomburg News Service] A terrible diet and room with no ventilation are being blamed for the death of a man who was killed by his own gas. There was no mark on his body but an autopsy showed large amounts of methane gas in his system. His diet had consisted primarily of beans and cabbage (and a couple of other things). It was just the right combination of foods. It appears that the man died in his sleep from breathing the poisonous cloud that was hanging over his bed. Had he been outside or had his windows been opened, it wouldn't have been fatal. But the man was shut up in his near airtight bedroom. According to the article, "He was a big man with a huge capacity for creating "this deadly gas." Three of the rescuers got sick and one was hospitalized. NOMINEE No.6: [The News of the Weird.] Michael Anderson Godwin made News of the Weird posthumously. He had spent several years awaiting South Carolina's electric chair on a murder conviction before having his sentence reduced to life in prison. Whilst sitting on a metal toilet in his cell and attempting to fix his small TV set, he bit into a wire and was electrocuted. NOMINEE NO.7: ["The Indianapolis Star"]. A cigarette lighter may have triggered fatal explosion - Dunkirk, Indiana. A Jay County man using a cigarette lighter to check the barrel of a muzzle loader was killed Monday night when the weapon discharged in his face, sheriff's investigators said. Gregory David Pryor, 19, died in his parents' rural Dunkirk home about 11:30 p.m. Investigators said Pryor was cleaning a .54-caliber muzzleloader that had not been firing properly. He was using the lighter to look into the barrel when the gunpowder ignited. NOMINEE No.8: [AP, St. Louis] Robert Puelo, 32, was apparently being disorderly in a St. Louis market. When the clerk threatened to call police, Puelo grabbed a hot dog, shoved it in his mouth, and walked out without paying for it. Police found him unconscious in front of the store; paramedics removed the six-inch wiener from his throat, where it had choked him to death. NOMINEE No.9: [Unknown] To poacher Marino Malerba, who shot a stag standing above him on an overhanging rock-and was killed instantly when it fell on him NOMINEE No.10: [Associated Press, Kincaid, W. VA] Blasting Cap Explodes in Man's mouth at Party. A man at a party popped a blasting cap into his mouth and bit down, triggering an explosion that blew off his lips, teeth and tongue, state police said Wednesday. Jerry Stromyer, 24, of Kincaid, bit the blasting cap as a prank during a party late Tuesday night, said Cpl. M.D. Payne. "Another man had it in an aquarium, hooked to a battery, and was trying to explode it," Payne said. "It wouldn't go off" and this guy said, "'I'll show you how to set it off." NOMINEE No.11: [Reuters, Mississauga, Ontario] A man cleaning a birdfeeder on the balcony of his condominium apartment in this Toronto suburb slipped and fell 23 stories to his death. Stefan Macko, 55, was standing on a wheeled chair when the accident occurred, said Inspector D'Arcy Honer of the Peel regional police. "It appears the chair moved and he went over the balcony," Honer said. NOMINEE No.12: [UPI, Portland, OR] Doctors at Portland's University Hospital said Wednesday an Oregon man shot through the skull by a hunting arrow is lucky to be alive, and will be released soon from the hospital. Tony Roberts, 25, lost his right eye during an initiation into a men's rafting club, Mountain Men Anonymous, in Grants Pass, OR. A friend tried to shoot a beer can off his head, but the arrow entered Roberts' right eye. Doctors said had the arrow gone 1 millimeter to the left, a major blood vessel would have cut and Roberts would have died instantly. Neurosurgeon Dr. Johnny Delashaw at the University Hospital in Portland said the arrow went through 8 to 10 inches of brain, with the tip protruding at the rear of his skull, yet somehow managed to miss all major blood vessels. Delashaw also said that if Robert had tried to pull the arrow out he surely would have killed himself. Roberts admitted afterwards he and his friends had been drinking that afternoon. Said Roberts, "I feel so dumb about this." NOMINEE No.13 The Calgary Sun Saturday, December 28, 1996 VANCOUVER (CP) A man arguing over a love triangle accidentally shot himself in the groin, taking off his testicles and part of his penis. Police said the man was waving a .357 Magnum revolver around during the shouting match early yesterday. But when he stuffed it back in his pants the gun went off. Police were called to the hospital after the man in his 20s was brought in by friends. Charges are pending against the victim, who is expected to survive. AND FINALLY, NOMINEE No.14!!!: [Arkansas Democrat Gazette] Two local men were seriously injured when their pick-up truck left the road and struck a tree near Cotton Patch on State Highway 38 early Monday morning. Woodruff County deputy Dovey Snyder reported the accident shortly after midnight Monday. Thurston Poole, 33, of Des Arc and Billy Ray Wallis, 38, of Little Rock are listed in serious condition at Baptist Medical Center. The accident occurred as the two men were returning to Des Arc after a frog gigging trip. On an overcast Sunday night, Poole's pick-up truck headlights malfunctioned. The two men concluded that the headlight fuse on the older model truck had burned out. As a replacement fuse was not available, Wallis noticed that the .22 caliber bullet from his pistol fit perfectly into the fuse box next to the steering wheel column. Upon inserting the bullet, the headlights again began to operate properly and the two men proceeded on east-bound toward the White River bridge. After traveling approximately twenty miles and just before crossing the river, the bullet apparently overheated, discharged and struck Poole in the right testicle. The vehicle swerved sharply to the right exiting the pavement and striking a tree. Poole suffered only minor cuts and abrasions from the accident, but will require surgery to repair the other wound. Wallis sustained a broken clavicle and was treated and released. "Thank God we weren't on that bridge when Thurston shot his nuts off or we might both be dead" stated Wallis. "I've been a trooper for ten years in this part of the world, but this is a first for me. I can't believe that those two would admit how this accident happened",said Snyder. Upon being notified of the wreck, Lavinia, Poole's wife asked how many frogs the boys had caught and did anyone get them from the truck. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 19:13:33 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26460 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:13:32 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6CESa18627; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:10:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <376f450b.36a7c1e6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:10:14 EST To: jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/21/99 11:26:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << Perhaps an insurance quote like that can shed a little light on what people tend to do ( or don't do ) on a bike like that... >> I think it's just the wrong insurance company and perhaps his age. I pay 280 a year for a ZX-9R with State Farm. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 19:20:06 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26620 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:20:04 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6TKRa20555; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:13:40 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:13:40 EST To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/21/99 11:41:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << The whole "you can't use it's full capability anyway" argument's getting old too. >> What people forget is that using an R-1 at 10% of its capability is like using some other bikes at 50% of their capability, so the person riding the R-1 at 10% is probably safer than the fellow riding another bike at 30% of its capability. Therefore the R-1 is a safer bike.LOL Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 19:40:17 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26910 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0AQa007005; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:23:50 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <8cb0b10.36a7c516@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:23:50 EST To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: other rants about using potental.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/21/99 1:48:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX writes: << You guys who think that you're using close to the full potential of your cage sure sound like the squids on bikes who think they're Miguel Duhamel. Don't forget that just because you can make your car do a four-wheel slide, >> I think it is quite difficult to use the full capability of a car in the U.S. I picked up a new BMW 540I in Munich (overseas delivery) in July of 97 and kept it at my home in Italy through earlt September. I had the opportunity to get into impromptu races with other fast cars on the autostradas and i can tell you that taking long sweepers through the Appenines at 225-250 KPHwith a Carrera on my tail I was testing the capability of the Bimmer. My Italian mechanic reprogrammed the "electronically controlled 135 MPH speed limiter" which is applied to U.S. exported cars which use DOT tires. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 20:53:13 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28150 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA08641; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:53:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: HawkGT Mailing List , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Product report: Mirror adaptors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got a naked vtr and have been using bar end mirrors with it. I don't like the bar end mirrors though. They're just too low to be useful to me. While at the local shop I asked if there was some kind of mirror mount available so I could use normal mirrors. Sure enough there is. White Brothers Billet Mirror Adaptor (WB number 45-475) fit the bill. They're aluminum mounts that replace the back mounts on the clutch and brake lever perches (which seem to be pretty universal). These would be particularly useful for Hawk riders who've put 2 caliper front ends along with master cylinders that have no mirror mounts or someone turning a faired bike into an unfaired bike, etc... I think this is a good product and worth checking out. I think it was in the IMS dealer catalog. I got them for $16 each at The Dirt Shop in College Park, MD. Chapparal also has them in their catalog. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 21:34:21 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28786 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA09427; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:34:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A80E6B.1777@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:36:43 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: dc-cycles Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" The best place I've found (locally) are the on and off ramps around the Pentagon. Nothing like doing four wheel slides through them! I try to do it at least once a day and still can't believe my tires have lasted 55K miles. The best part is having passengers. I love watching them grab and hang on to the dash board. Anyhow, back to bikes. I haven't been out since December 6th and am having serious withdrawals! ================================== Well, I may not do wheel slides on my bike ;) but I do love the ramps around the Pentagon as does Glenn. We've yacked about this and have our own favorites, and I generally incorporate a few of these when finishing a (long-ish) ride on my way home (I'm about 1 mile from these badboys). I refer to the circuit here as my 'urban guerrilla' tour, when all I want to do is a _real_ local ride. Maybe I should put together a ride sheet. Seriously, if you only have an hour and want to ride and have fun, these ramps are a blast! Withdrawal mode too, JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 22:09:08 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29322 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:09:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:43:23 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Mehran" , Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: <015f01be45b1$c11a3240$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19990121153443.6296.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal Might step on some toes here, but.... What the hell do you need that bike on the street for? What can it do that a bike that is less expensive to insure can't? Now, if you are using it on the track (where it belongs), I can understand getting an outrageous insurance rate. Looks like a longish thread, so I'll read on if you posted the obvious, like age, zip code, who you've called... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > I just picked up my new R1 from the dealers last night. > Does anyone else on the list own one? > I got a premium insurance quote for $5400 a year. > Is that rediculous or what. That's nearly half of what the bike is > worth. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 22:09:10 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29324 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:40:25 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Leon Begeman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:45:58 -0500 Message-ID: <013201be45b1$57219860$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A6902C.DB3563C3@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal It's hardly the 'latest and greatest'. A certain company has been producing bikes with it for years. But, if you aren't threshold braking, it doesn't really matter. Haven't had the chance to try it in the wet, but it works fairly well in gravel. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 9:26 PM > To: Leon Begeman; DC Cycles > Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) > > > I guess you could throw me in that corner as well. I'm > gradually seeing the light in regards to ABS. I'm still > concerned that bike manufacturers are all too eager to > design & develop the latest gizmo in order to jack up > the selling price accordingly. > > > Leon Begeman wrote: > > > > Leon - leaning more towards ABS than linked > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR > 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 22:09:12 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29326 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:47:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:53:26 -0500 Message-ID: <016001be45b2$61d07820$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <85256700.005ABF8F.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal > The whole "you can't use it's full capability anyway" argument's getting > old too. People constantly buy things they can't use fully, but that > doesn't mean it won't provide them with enjoyment. Hell, my folks don't > know how to operate all the features on their VCR, but no one tells them > they should just stick to going to the multiplex. Who among us can use the > full potential of the cage they drive? People don't whine about Porsche > drivers getting themselves in over their heads. I don't buy it. OTOH, I told the guy with the new R1 that he don't need the bike. Told my parents they spent 2X what they should on their computers, VCR, TV, and cars. Were I to ever strike up a conversation with the doctor in the complex with the 928, I'd ask him why he bothered. But it's usually more fun to wheelie past him:) (At 1/10 the price) > > As for the costs involved in it, that's up to each individual. > Just because > you don't see the justification doesn't mean someone else won't. Sure, you > can get a used machine that performs over your abilities, but some people > prefer buying new. Let's live and let live. I don't think Brian (or I) are saying that one shouldn't make their own choices concerning a ride. OTOH, it's up to each consumer to find out the price (including repairs, maintenance, and insurance) before the purchase. And when you buy a bike that performs so far out on the ragged edge, one shouldn't be surprised at the insurance prices. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 23:34:44 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00780 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-25.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.66]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA21972 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:34:41 -0500 Message-ID: <028301be45c0$26569b40$4210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Re: Motorcycle Parking Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:31:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Jeannette -- Nice 'hood. Good public tennis courts and other amenities just glances away. And I'm sure you'll discover quickly that the construction on 23rd can make 23rd N-L a chore, 24th probably easier to get to Penn or K street. Check around. As I recall the DC MC parking list doesn't get updated often. And with all the garages close by I'll bet some reasonable parking can be found. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Bored, but docile, when parked Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas and Jeannette Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: Motorcycle Parking >I know this has been posted before but I didn't keep the list. I just >changed jobs and would like to know if there is any motorcycle parking near >23rd & N Sts. NW, DC. I know someone out there has the list...Thanks for >any help! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 21 23:42:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00930 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA11350 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09064 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA21485 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:43:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c801be45c1$d7ca0be0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: Subject: Re: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:44:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Would someone please send out a link that actually works?? This must be the third time this week that someone has posted a link and it didn't work. I know that my internet crap is working, too because I can go anywhere else that I wish too. -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Jordan, Michael To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:03 PM Subject: RE: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah >>If you go to a level to >"http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/" you can >look >>at some other pics including a guy flipping a bike >during a wheelie. > >Been there > >Done that > >On a Vespa, yet (my very first wheelie, back in '61) > >Michael J. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 00:28:28 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01649 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.47]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23145 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:28:25 -0500 Message-ID: <029c01be45c7$a83b0040$4210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Daytona to Hoot events Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:25:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 >From the Vulcan list -- homework by an events-aware biker -- (unofficial, check all info) *Daytona Bike Week (Daytona Beach, FL) - 2/26 to 3/7 (start with http://realacom.com/bikeweek/events.htm) *SuperRide (Moodus, CT) - 5/7 to 5/9 (1-877-783-RIDE) *Americade (Lake George, NY) - 6/7 to 6/12 (1-518-656-3696) www.tourexpo.com *Laconia (Laconia, NH) - 6/13 to 6/20 (1-603-366-2000) *Honda Hoot (Ashville, NC) - 6/22 to 6/26 (1-800-347-1289) . . . most of these are from the AMA magazine, American Motorcyclist. ********** Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 need my own laptop to schedule Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 00:36:48 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01808 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-6.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.47]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA23291 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:36:45 -0500 Message-ID: <02ab01be45c8$d1d18ea0$4210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: I won one! Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:34:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff >Hell hath frozen over -- DC just cancelled a ticket I got! > ...snip Congratulations! If those folks only knew how proud a little deserved justice makes us all feel. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Goes equally well right and left, but has its druthers Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 07:07:53 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08893 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:07:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901221207.HAA08893@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:07:48 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:07:46 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Stop.. stop.. ARGH.. NOOOO.. Ok, gonna have to take the flame-bait. First off, the amount of change in use of a motorcycle (how much of it's ability you use) is going to be limited to the extremes. Top speed, total lean angle, how well the suspention is sorted for road ripples.. etc. ALL motorcycles can do the same basic functions at the same basic level. It's not that much of a difference untill you start pushing the envelope (as in on a track). I will admit, there is a difference though. BUT, the 'average' rider (and I'm not talking average DC-Cycles lister.. average rider.. yea, including all the squids and people who put 256 miles on their 95 VFR) will be able to do the exact same thing on an R1 as on a VFR (86 even), as on a Harley. Ok, well, maybe not the Harley.. I'll have to modify this to within the same 'catagory'.. so, sport-bikes. The BIKE doesn't have anything to do with how safe it is to ride (given all vehicles have a constant state of good repair). We've hashed this before, it's 99.999% the rider when dealing with street situations. This is shown quite well by our own Collin, who consistantally leads a group of 'quick and capable' riders on a claped out 80-something maxim. Granted, I don't think it's as safe as my VFR, or Tom T's R1.. but that's more due to the state of repair. And, no, I don't think it's easier for him to ride the bike in that manor, but then again, it's not a sportbike either.. I think you're placing WAY to much emphasis on the bike here. But WTF do I know anyway.. I've only been riding for about 4 years now compaired to your entire life on a bike. I've only owned 'old' bikes that weren't on top of the techno heap because I can't afford them. And it's quite clear I don't know squat anyway.... Brian > What people forget is that using an R-1 at 10% of its > capability is like using > some other bikes at 50% of their capability, so the person > riding the R-1 at > 10% is probably safer than the fellow riding another bike at > 30% of its > capability. Therefore the R-1 is a safer bike. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 07:23:37 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09119 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 22 Jan 1999 12:23:35 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA07377 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:23:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:23:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: <199901221207.HAA08893@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Stop.. stop.. ARGH.. NOOOO.. Ok, gonna have to take the flame-bait. Ditto :P > 'average' rider (and I'm not talking average DC-Cycles lister.. average > rider.. yea, including all the squids and people who put 256 miles on their > 95 VFR) I'm curious.. is this a knock on me? Cuz I put on a lot more than 256 miles on my VFR.. even if it was a '95.. or is there someone else you are referring to? Not to get defensive first thing in the morning.. but I did try to make my appearances when I could, even if now the VFR is collecting dust in some scrapyard :P Alex. Bikeless (FOR NOW.. da da dumm) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 07:38:40 1999 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09378 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id HAA12632 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id HAA12628 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id HAA02356 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id HAA02352 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:40:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901221240.HAA02352@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:35:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 To: "'DC-Cycles'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME My CBR600 F4 arrives next week. Everyone, please send me messages now telling me I will not be using the full potential of the bike, that I can't ride, I'll be unsafe, etc. While my computer is busy downloading them, I'll hopefully be out somewhere enjoying about 40% potential of my new bike. This is the bike I want, I bought it, I'm going to enjoy it, dammit, even if I'm not Duhammel. Congrats to whoever got the R1 they wanted (I lost the message). [Back to lurk] --Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 07:50:59 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09617 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:50:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'FAAS, BRAD'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:50:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Brad, you don't need that bike. As soon as you get it drop it off at my house in Annandale so that I can use 50% of it potential. :-) Glenn > My CBR600 F4 arrives next week. Everyone, please send me messages now > telling me I will not be using the full potential of the bike, that I > can't ride, I'll be unsafe, etc. While my computer is busy downloading > them, I'll hopefully be out somewhere enjoying about 40% potential of my > > new bike. This is the bike I want, I bought it, I'm going to enjoy it, > dammit, even if I'm not Duhammel. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 08:03:25 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09778 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:02:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Motorcycle Trailer For Sale Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:01:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I'm selling my infamous red motorcycle trailer that quite a few listers bikes have been on. Here are the details... open trailer 1000 lbs. capacity 1 rail trailer (ramp included) Four 1000 lb. tie down anchors spare wheel with tire (never used) fenders board between rail and frame to provide more protection to the bike tongue stand garage kept less then 3000 miles (I'm guessing here but I'm fairly sure it doesn't have any more then that) I bought this trailer many years just as a utility trailer. I had a piece of plywood cut and then I painted it to protect my bike a little more from debris coming from the tow vehicle. I added the tongue stand, upgraded the safety chain, installed stronger and heavier fenders, bought the rail and ramp. It doubles to haul other things such as firewood, furniture, etc. I'm selling it because A) I have a pickup now and B) I have another trailer which if I ever get around to finishing sandblasting it will satisfy my needs. Anyhow, this little trailer has hauled bikes as big as a ZX-11 to Watkins Glen and back with no problems. Anyone interested call me at one of my numbers listed below. Almost forgot, that I'd be willing to help the purchaser install a hitch on their vehicle if they don't have one. Also, I will deliver it to the purchaser if they don't live too far out. I'm asking $300.00 OBO. I'll even throw in a couple tie downs. Glenn Home (703) 658-4870 Mobile (703) 855-4870 Work (703) 692-9021 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 08:05:49 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09860 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA24281; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:07:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01be4608$2e8e1a20$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'FAAS, BRAD'" , "'DC-Cycles'" Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:07:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 LOL -Tom '86 VFR750 Now Officially "Mr. Squidly" -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN To: 'FAAS, BRAD' ; 'DC-Cycles' Date: Friday, January 22, 1999 7:58 AM Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 >Brad, you don't need that bike. As soon as you get it drop it off at my >house in Annandale so that I can use 50% of it potential. :-) > >Glenn > > > >> My CBR600 F4 arrives next week. Everyone, please send me messages now >> telling me I will not be using the full potential of the bike, that I >> can't ride, I'll be unsafe, etc. While my computer is busy downloading >> them, I'll hopefully be out somewhere enjoying about 40% potential of my >> >> new bike. This is the bike I want, I bought it, I'm going to enjoy it, >> dammit, even if I'm not Duhammel. >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 08:13:12 1999 Return-Path: brad.faas@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09949 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:13:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id IAA15259 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id IAA15251 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id IAA03299 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from NCAIMAIL1 ([192.168.79.211]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id IAA03291 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:15:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901221315.IAA03291@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Priority: urgent Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:09:00 -0500 From: "FAAS, BRAD" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC-Cycles'" X-Mailer: Worldtalk (NetConnex V4.00a)/MIME No problem. 'Course, I'd be wanting to use 10% or 20% of the VFR... :-) --Brad -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [mailto:Dysart@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 7:50 AM To: 'FAAS, BRAD'; 'DC-Cycles' Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 ---------------------------------------------------- Brad, you don't need that bike. As soon as you get it drop it off at my house in Annandale so that I can use 50% of it potential. :-) Glenn > My CBR600 F4 arrives next week. Everyone, please send me messages now > telling me I will not be using the full potential of the bike, that I > can't ride, I'll be unsafe, etc. While my computer is busy downloading > them, I'll hopefully be out somewhere enjoying about 40% potential of my > > new bike. This is the bike I want, I bought it, I'm going to enjoy it, > dammit, even if I'm not Duhammel. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 08:18:31 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10032 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:18:30 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103gTR-0003rr-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:18:09 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13746 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12161 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:18:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901221318.IAA12161@shell.clark.net> Subject: AMA problems? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:18:26 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I just finished reading an article about how the AMA handled a recent lawsuit, and the history leading up to it. It's located at: http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/feb99/roger.htm I hope the AMA takes a good look at how they do business. I'm still a member, because they still do a lot of good, but I hope there will be some kind of a shake up at the highest levels on down. Otherwise I'll have to re-evaluate my membership when it's time to renew. Some of what the AMA did just seemed petty. Buying in on this person's debt so they could constantly reject repayment plans?? But I won't say anymore. I'll let folks read for themselves. Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 08:39:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA10354 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF864EC031E; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:39:18 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990122083738.00fe6670@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:46:27 -0500 To: Bikes R Us , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: arguments for LBS, ABS, helmets, seatbelts, condoms and other protection In-Reply-To: <19990121.181539.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think that's a really stupid thing to say. LBS and ABS are ways to get bikes stopped quicker, they are not replacements for common sense and practice. They can, however, perform better than people in some cases and they can increase the rider's performance. ABS, for example, gives the rider the opportunity to go to maximum braking immediately without fearing a crash due to a locked wheel. Tell you what, let's have a braking competition. Full-on emergency braking from 70mph on wet pavement. If you want, let's add some sand and some oil spots. You bring your bike with regular brakes; I'll bring my ABS bike. Chris Norloff At 06:17 PM 1/21/99 , Bikes R Us wrote: >People like this are the reason things like LBS and ABS get invented... I >also have last year's list if anyone would like to see it. > >The Darwin Awards honor the humans who demonstrate that there is a link >between man and apes. This year's list of nominees also make a good >argument >for an IQ requirement before one can purchase a gun. . >The 1998 nominees are: > >NOMINEE No.1 [San Jose Mercury News]: >An unidentified man, using a shotgun like a club to break a former >girlfriend's windshield accidentally shot himself to death when the gun >discharged, blowing a hole in his gut. > >NOMINEE No.2: [Kalamazoo Gazette] James >Burns, 34, (a mechanic) of Alamo, Mich., was killed in March as he was >trying >to repair what police described as a "farm-type truck." Burns got a >friend to >drive the truck on a highway while Burns hung underneath so that he could >ascertain the source of a troubling noise. Burns' clothes caught on >something, however, and the other man found Burns "wrapped in the drive >shaft." > >NOMINEE No.3: [Hickory Daily Record] Ken >Charles Barger, 47, accidentally shot himself to death in December in >Newton, >N.C., awakening to the sound of a ringing telephone beside his bed, he >reached for the phone but grabbed instead a Smith & Wesson.38 Special, >which >discharged when he drew it to his ear. etc, etc. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 08:39:27 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10357 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17707 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA17716 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF854EC031E; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:39:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990122083529.00fe94e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:37:02 -0500 To: "Jordan, Michael" , WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:54 PM 1/21/99 , Jordan, Michael wrote: >>If you go to a level to >"http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/" you can >look >>at some other pics including a guy flipping a bike >during a wheelie. I think that picture (http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/crash015-norm.jpg) is actually more impressive in that you know the idiot is going to get hurt really bad, but you're not overloaded with the gore in the other picture (http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/crash014-full.jpg). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 08:50:39 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10609 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:50:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17742 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:50:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:50:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990122083529.00fe94e0@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I think that picture > (http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/crash015-norm.jpg) is actually more > impressive in that you know the idiot is going to get hurt really bad, but > you're not overloaded with the gore in the other picture > (http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/crash014-full.jpg). Besides that it is obvious that the guy in the 2nd pic is already dead, they just haven't covered him up yet. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 09:06:32 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10839 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA17363; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:07:53 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017178; Fri, 22 Jan 99 09:07:13 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5Y00AHRSK0UN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256701.004D4463 ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:03:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:03:53 -0500 Subject: Re: AMA problems? To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Message-id: <85256701.004D0A91.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Regardless of your opinion in the lawsuit, can I just mention that that is perhaps the WORST written news article I have ever read! It failed to cover the meat of the case, gave very little info about what the lawsuit actually regarded and had a stream of consciousness approach telling you everything through testimony snippets. It was all I could do to just get through it ... I hope this is not typical of Roadracing World. --chris From: louis@XXXXXX Date: 01/22/99 01:18:26 PM GMT Subject: AMA problems? --snip-- But I won't say anymore. I'll let folks read for themselves. Louis --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 09:18:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11033 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18243 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA18647 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Fri Jan 22 09:09 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id JAA00933 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE45E8.23909640@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'Horkster@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: ABS was Rear brake usage Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:18:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <> I don't think that's the case at all. I seem to remember reading an article in a motorag, (so we agree it MUST be true), that the MC manufacturers were required to have at least one model that was ABS equipped. Remeber the Bandit 1200 ABS? (I only ever saw ONE of these bikes at Coleman Powersnots and I wish I had the $$$ to buy it) I can't seem to recall if it was a requirement from Japan or the USA. Just a tid bit . . . --John 98 VFR From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 09:39:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11329 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA18523 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:39:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA19123 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:39:19 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256701.004FC1D2 ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:31:09 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256701.004E70D4.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:31:06 -0500 Subject: Re: AMA problems? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline can I just mention that that is perhaps the WORST written news article I have ever read! It failed to cover the meat of the case, gave very little info about what the lawsuit actually regarded and had a stream of consciousness approach telling you everything through testimony snippets. It was all I could do to just get through it I have to agree. It looks as if this might be an interesting story, but we may never know since the auther is clearly suffering from diarrhea of the mouth. I could only get through about 20 percent of the article before I decided the writer was an idiot and that he couldn't make a point if his life depended on it. I think a better description of his writing would be a stream of unconsciousness. Steve From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 09:44:10 1999 Return-Path: maxbiaggi2@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA11408 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:44:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990122144031.15774.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [131.171.245.167] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:40:31 PST Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 06:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Wakefield Subject: Going up a tire size? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm replacing the rear tire on my 94 EX500 Kawasaki. The stock rear tire size is 130/70-17. Would I be safe in bumping the rear up to a 140/70-17? Does anyone have any experience doing this on this particular bike? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 09:57:59 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11661 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:57:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: comments on rear brakes Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:57:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain "throw you over the handlebars argument" I first heard this myth around 1950 when a friend got an "English Racer" bike with caliper brakes. He had been warned (by parents?) to not use the front brake as it would throw you over the handlebars. Naturally we tried it and it didn't. Years of bicycle commuting accustomed me to using the front brake almost exclusively (cuz the rear brakes sucked) When I started with motorcycles, I kept up the habit. A good front end slide and dump on a damp street got my attention and I've developed the habit of always using some rear brake just to keep it in my subconscious. To reinforce the habit, I've disconnected the front brake light switch (which also gives me the opportunity to flash the brake light as I brake smoothly with the front.) The techniques of dirt and race track riding are applicable to the street - except - the street is less predictable. Traction varies with the street, weather, construction, and blah, blah, blah . So keep and use all you can while turning and braking. "Some of them even think helmets will break your neck! (run, duck...he said helmets!)." Oh yes, and seat belts will pin you in a burning car so it's better to be thrown out of the car. ;^) "I think the prevailing wisdom of the older riders (That'd be you too Fred, right?) was that the front brakes on the older bikes just plain sucked. You NEEDED to use the rear so you could stop. " This argues for using the front brake because it works so much better than the rear. The front brake myth is pervasive. My wife recently attended an older drivers safety course. The instructor said to watch out for motorcycles because they can't stop very well. The reason? Because they can't use the front brake because it'll throw the rider over the handle bars. Auugh! Would be nifty if AMA or one of the cruiser mags tried to stoppies with different cruisers. Maybe that'd help someone stay alive -- assuming the gene pool doesn't need skimming. "There must be a better explanation as to why the rear brake exists other than as an 'emergency brake'". The wheelie at http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/crash015-full.jpg is an excellent argument for keeping the rear brake in your subconscious. And #13, awesome argument for keeping both alert and your braking skills up to snuff. Hell hath frozen over -- DC just cancelled a ticket I got! Yes, that's a rarity. Everyone that I've contested by mail was doubled. Then I learned that DC had no reciprocity with MD or VA for parking tickets. So, I didn't pay the last one that they doubled. They turned it over to a collection agency. I told the collection agency the ticket was unfair and I'd be happy to see them in court. This should work for the occasional ticket. If you collect a batch, however, the boot squad will be looking for you. Carl in Bethesda '85 VF700S "Rocin-ahorito" '80 GS450E "Caballoante"; AMA 676120 Commuting into your nation's capitol since 1981 through rain, sun, and snow, but no ice! Hanlon's Razor "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:19:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11980 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:19:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19032 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20095 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PNFIa00808; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <649bbdcf.36a89669@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:16:57 EST To: zellto@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 It worked just fine for me ..... oh BOY did it work! yuck! LOL Marcy In a message dated 1/21/99 11:47:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, zellto@XXXXXX writes: > Would someone please send out a link that actually works?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:21:10 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12067 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:21:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19858; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:21:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:21:02 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: <199901221207.HAA08893@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > ALL motorcycles can do the same basic functions at the same basic > level. It's not that much of a difference untill you start pushing the > envelope (as in on a track). Hey, what do you know, I pretty much agree with Brian. > > What people forget is that using an R-1 at 10% of its > > capability is like using some other bikes at 50% of their capability, > > so the person riding the R-1 at 10% is probably safer than the > > fellow riding another bike at 30% of its capability. Therefore the > > R-1 is a safer bike. Maybe in terms of suspension but certainly not in terms of motor or braking. Let's look at a quick comparison of a "slow" bike and the R1 here and see which is "safer". For this look we'll use a stock Honda Hawk GT - 47hp, 35ft/lbs, modest geometry, light weight (about 60 lbs less than the R1). Next is the R1 - 130hp, 75ft/lbs (guessing here), quick steering geometry, middle weight. A novice rider is in a corner on the Hawk, leaned pretty well over, and he gives an uneven application of throttle - the bike wiggles a teensy bit but there's not enough power to truly upset it. The same rider is on the R1 in the same corner under the same circumstances - he starts a head shake, or pops the front wheel all the way off the ground, or... Hmmm, not a safer situation, from my perspective. Let's then take a look at the brakes. The Hawk has a 2 piston caliper up front that will bring it from 60-0 faster than most bikes but a full force grab on the lever won't lift the rear wheel. Do that on the R1 (even beyond 60 mph) and the results are much different. A novice panic braking an R1 using just the front brake is probably more dangerous than that same novice panic braking the Hawk and locking up the rear. Again, not safe from my perspective. And for a more mundane example - parking lots. The limited lock to lock steering of the R1, the greater weight, and the expensive fairings (murphy's law and all that) make it more likely to fall over in the hands of the less experienced rider. Picking up the heavier bike that has hundreds if not thousands of dollars worth of damage is just another chore that the novice might not be ready for. The engine and braking power of the R1 are best put into the hands of an expert rider or at least someone who practices diligently with the bike before setting off for the wilds of the street. The big area that I would call the R1 safer is when you're getting well above 100mph but that point is moot in the DC area and most of the US. Examples of how things work overseas don't really have much bearing on this argument. Fred, your years of experience (which you've used as a justification of placing your opinions higher than those with less experience) is perhaps clouding your ability to look at things from the perspective of that person with less experience. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:24:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12087 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19081 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20244 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256701.0053DEA6 ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:16:04 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256701.0053B379.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:16:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Missing out on all the fun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Gee Kirk, I hope you don't bite your fingernails when you have that ailment. ;-) You poor sap! It would appear that I had diarrhea of the fingers (to paraphrase another lister) yesterday. I sent over 30 messages. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:30:21 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12240 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9885B04B2; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:30:16 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990122085545.01001550@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:58:56 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: AMA problems? In-Reply-To: <199901221318.IAA12161@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:18 AM 1/22/99 , louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >I just finished reading an article about how the AMA handled a recent >lawsuit, and the history leading up to it. It's located at: >http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/feb99/roger.htm >... >Some of what the AMA did just seemed petty. Sure does. I read most but not all of it; pretty lousy. The AMA has gotten a lot of criticism over the years for how they run racing. That must be one of the reasons there's other racing organizations (WERA(?), for example) I'm more interested in the AMA role in motorcyclists' rights. I expect that the people involved in promoting racing are not the same as those defending riders' rights. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:32:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12275 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19172 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20462 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9875B04B2; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:30:15 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990122084756.00ff23f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:48:15 -0500 To: "Thomas and Jeannette" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah In-Reply-To: <00c801be45c1$d7ca0be0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I worked okay for me, what errors are you getting? Chris Norloff At 11:44 PM 1/21/99 , Thomas and Jeannette wrote: >Would someone please send out a link that actually works?? This must be the >third time this week that someone has posted a link and it didn't work. I >know that my internet crap is working, too because I can go anywhere else >that I wish too. > >-Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jordan, Michael >To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > >Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:03 PM >Subject: RE: FW: Hey, let's be careful out there - oh yeah > > >>>If you go to a level to >"http://www.bikepics.com/general/crash/" you can >>look >>>at some other pics including a guy flipping a bike >during a wheelie. >> >>Been there >> >>Done that >> >>On a Vespa, yet (my very first wheelie, back in '61) >> >>Michael J. >> > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:33:30 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12300 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13405 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:35:29 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC91F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: AMA problems? Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:35:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I guess it's a difference of opinion, but i prefer reading an article like this one. I know it doesn't have 100% of the story, but no news article ever does. The article let me use my own brain to form opinions..( and supported a lot I already had about the AMA from inside racing sources). I liked the fact that it gave a decent history of where today's roadracing came from. Although, to make it a true news story, most of the article could be condensed into a few line inches based off the text near the end of the article... Ok...so I just enjoyed it :) what can I say... Collin On Friday, January 22, 1999 9:14 AM, christopher.meier@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] wrote: > Regardless of your opinion in the lawsuit, can I just mention that that is > perhaps the WORST written news article I have ever read! It failed to > cover the meat of the case, gave very little info about what the lawsuit > actually regarded and had a stream of consciousness approach telling you > everything through testimony snippets. > > It was all I could do to just get through it ... I hope this is not typical > of Roadracing World. > > --chris > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:38:36 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12384 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:38:34 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzgw06615 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256701.0056174B ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:40:20 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "dc-cycles%cs.umd.edu."@shawpittman.com Message-ID: <85256701.0056159B.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:34:38 -0500 Subject: Re: comments on rear brakes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ---------------------- Forwarded by Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US on 01/22/99 10:32 AM --------------------------- To: "Custer Carl" @ INTERNET, on 01/22/99 09:57:02 AM To: "'DCCy'" cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: comments on rear brakes "throw you over the handlebars argument" I first heard this myth around 1950 when a friend got an "English Racer" bike with caliper brakes. He had been warned (by parents?) to not use the front brake as it would throw you over the handlebars. Naturally we tried it and it didn't. Years of bicycle commuting accustomed me to using the front brake almost exclusively (cuz the rear brakes sucked) When I started with motorcycles, I kept up the habit. A good front end slide and dump on a damp street got my attention and I've developed the habit of always using some rear brake just to keep it in my subconscious. To reinforce the habit, I've disconnected the front brake light switch (which also gives me the opportunity to flash the brake light as I brake smoothly with the front.) The techniques of dirt and race track riding are applicable to the street - except - the street is less predictable. Traction varies with the street, weather, construction, and blah, blah, blah . So keep and use all you can while turning and braking. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:44:16 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12499 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:44:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990122154635.1336.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.228.195] by send103.yahoomail.com; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:46:35 PST Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:46:35 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: Found a Great Insurance Rate on the R1 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I finally found the best rate for premium insurance from NationWide. It will only cost me $490 a year. To clear up all the confusion with why I would ever buy a new bike like a R1 is: 1. My wife hit it big with some stocks and she ordered the bike for me a year ago. Paid in Full. 2. She knew that it was going to be the hottest selling bike around when it was first introduced. She knew how bad I've been wanting a new bike. 3. I race an FZR 600 and I'm 28 years old. I could never use the full potential of the R1, but it sure as hell is gonna be fun trying. Why not when someone else buys the bike for you. Happy R1 Owner, Mehran _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:55:55 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12736 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15295 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:57:53 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC923@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:57:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, January 22, 1999 10:28 AM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > Let's then take a look at the brakes. The Hawk has a 2 piston caliper up > front that will bring it from 60-0 faster than most bikes but a full force > grab on the lever won't lift the rear wheel. Do that on the R1 (even > beyond 60 mph) and the results are much different. Hey!!! I LIKE stopies in the triple digits!!!! :) Although I'm sure Shawn Wlaker didn't like it when I missed my brake marker going into turn one and went by him with my rear wheel 2 feet in the air as I overbraked!! he he he Agreed though, that ANY of the modern big displacement bikes have the potential to make small mistakes turn inot huge ones in a heartbeat. But hey... let a person ride what they want.. I can always choose not to ride with or around them if I don't think they can handle it safely... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 10:56:16 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA12750 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:56:14 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA13784; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:57:40 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma013451; Fri, 22 Jan 99 10:56:41 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5Y005F8XMJ9D@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256701.00574D2A ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:53:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:44:09 -0500 Subject: RE: AMA problems? To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <85256701.00566227.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I too enjoy letting my brain form it's own opinions ... I wasn't saying it was poorly written because it didn't give you the "answer". It was poorly written from from the standpoint that it could not present the facts in an organized manner. --chris To: 'dc' cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: "Fagan, Collin LT" Date: 01/22/99 03:35:26 PM GMT Subject: RE: AMA problems? I guess it's a difference of opinion, but i prefer reading an article like this one. I know it doesn't have 100% of the story, but no news article ever does. The article let me use my own brain to form opinions..( and supported a lot I already had about the AMA from inside racing sources). I liked the fact that it gave a decent history of where today's roadracing came from. Although, to make it a true news story, most of the article could be condensed into a few line inches based off the text near the end of the article... Ok...so I just enjoyed it :) what can I say... Collin ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:02:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12905 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA19869 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21710 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:02:00 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FSACa04794 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:01:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <96d12eb0.36a8a0c0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:01:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 - a different swing on this topic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/22/99 10:25:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << Fred, your years of experience (which you've used as a justification of placing your opinions higher than those with less experience) is perhaps clouding your ability to look at things from the perspective of that person with less experience. >> I couldnt help but notice that Kirk (who is pretty used to small bikes like the Hawk GT) and Fred (used to bigger bikes like his ZX9) both take opposing sides to this argument. I think in the end it will boil down to what you have more experience riding whether its a bigger bike or smaller bike as to which side you will take. I do think that Kirks example is a bit "out there" in that of course a novice rider is going to have trouble with an R1 but not a Hawk. An expert rider is going to enjoy the R1 more than the Hawk (thats just MHO). Its kinda apples and oranges. Now do a comparison between an expert rider on an R1 and a novice or fairly inexperienced rider on a Hawk GT. You will probably see that the novice on that smaller bike will have more problems than the expert on the R1. My point is, you have to make a relative comparison. Again, its just MHO. Jack (who enjoys bigger bikes more than smaller ones so of course Ill take the side of the bigger bikes) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:11:49 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13011 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA09916; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:07:54 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990122161037.TGZG6156@toddnt>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:10:37 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Cc: "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: AMA problems? Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:09:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be4621$9ab39cc0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <85256701.004D0A91.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > > Regardless of your opinion in the lawsuit, can I just mention that that is > perhaps the WORST written news article I have ever read! It failed to > cover the meat of the case, gave very little info about what the lawsuit > actually regarded and had a stream of consciousness approach telling you > everything through testimony snippets. > > It was all I could do to just get through it ... > I hope this is not typical of Roadracing World. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is. I have a hard time choking through some of the articles in the mag. Got about halfway through the 'Army of Darkness' feature a couple of months ago, and never picked it up again. Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:12:12 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13091 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA02910; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:09:59 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990122161038.TGZK6156@toddnt>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:10:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Custer, Carl" , "'DCCy'" Subject: RE: comments on rear brakes Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:09:36 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be4621$9b558210$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Nice write up Carl! Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Custer, Carl [mailto:Carl.Custer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 22, 1999 9:57 AM > To: 'DCCy' > Subject: comments on rear brakes > > > "throw you over the handlebars argument" > I first heard this myth around 1950 when a friend got an "English Racer" > bike with caliper brakes. He had been warned (by parents?) to not use the > front brake as it would throw you over the handlebars. Naturally we tried > it and it didn't. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:17:25 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13197 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZK23G99; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:14:19 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: arguments for LBS, ABS, helmets, seatbelts, condoms and other protection Message-ID: <19990122.111252.8127.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990122083738.00fe6670@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5 From: Bikes R Us Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:14:19 EST Hey, I was just looking for a timely "ob-moto" tie in so I could share something I found funny with a few people who've (in the past) demonstrated a sense of humor. Must have had you confused with someone else. Sorry. 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Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:19:20 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13216 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:19:19 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 103jIQ-0003oQ-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:18:58 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA09944 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18130 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:19:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901221619.LAA18130@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: AMA problems? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:19:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > From cnorloff@XXXXXX Fri Jan 22 10:33:50 1999 > At 08:18 AM 1/22/99 , louis@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >I just finished reading an article about how the AMA handled a recent > >lawsuit, and the history leading up to it. It's located at: > >http://www.roadracingworld.com/issues/feb99/roger.htm > >... > >Some of what the AMA did just seemed petty. > I'm more interested in the AMA role in motorcyclists' rights. I expect > that the people involved in promoting racing are not the same as those > defending riders' rights. I am also in the AMA because of their role in motorcyclists' rights, and I'm sure that's a separate division of the AMA. But this seemed to go all the way up, as Ed Youngblood, AMA's president, was very involved in this case. He was involved in the negotiations, and was even the one who signed the form when the AMA took over the debt. I hope that the AMA will address this to its members. And not just a statement about how they were disappointed that they lost the case, the jury overloked something, etc. Again, while I understand the case involved the racing division, to me, it reflects negatively on the AMA in general. I hope they can clean up and recover. It's a shame this had to happen just as they were staring their 75th anniversarry celebration, and are excited about moving to their new offices. BTW: I agree the article may not have been the best written, but it had the most information I've seen so far. Louis From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:30:47 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13457 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:30:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20424 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22535 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18337; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:32:30 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC92A@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 - a different swing on this topic Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:32:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain On Friday, January 22, 1999 11:12 AM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] wrote: I do think that Kirks example is a bit "out there" in > that of course a novice rider is going to have trouble with an R1 but not a > Hawk. I thought that was the whole point of the analysis... What a new rider would be more likely to deal with easier and safer... It was a good comparison. An expert rider is going to enjoy the R1 more than the Hawk (thats > just > MHO). Not necessarily, while I won't be as bold to call myself and "expert" rider, I figure 18 years of riding has given me a bit of experience. Now that I've had the pure pleasure experience of being on a race track, I would definitley prefer something like the hawk (or maybe the new SV650) to the R1 for a street bike... I found on my old 93 GSXR that I was having to ride faster and faster to get the "rush" out of it as I came to know most of the backroads very well....... I can get that same kind of rush out of something like the hawk, or even my (how did Brain say it...) clapped out 80 something maxim, at much lower overall speeds. I'm not saying i wouldn't have a blast with an R1, or any other of the big bore bikes, but I do think I'd be getting myself in a lot mroe trouble, particularly with the fellas with the lights on top of their cars.. > Its kinda apples and oranges. Now do a comparison between an expert > rider on an R1 and a novice or fairly inexperienced rider on a Hawk GT. You > will probably see that the novice on that smaller bike will have more > problems > than the expert on the R1. I see this as much more apples and oranges than Kirk's scenario, but hey... I've been told I'm wacked in the head anyhow :) I thought we'd already established that an experienced rider would usually always have an advantage over an inexperienced one... Plus, i think the above argument is gettting harder to support with some of these new bikes... How does anyone get prepared to hop on a 450lb bike that's putting out an honest 130 at the rear?? the big bore bikes that have developed the past couple of years are simply incredible... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:39:30 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13567 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:39:28 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA09149; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:40:50 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma008472; Fri, 22 Jan 99 11:39:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5Y00D8LZLOZB@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256701.005B3360 ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:36:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:35:10 -0500 Subject: Re: AMA problems? To: louis@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Message-id: <85256701.005AE1D5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I agree with your perspective Louis ... is there an e-mail addy for the AMA? I have been a member for several years (and should know it) ... Also, when you guys say "motorcyclists rights" do you mean the Government Relations group? That is the part I am most interested in also. Well, that and my $1.00 off poker runs ... :-) -chris From: louis@XXXXXX Date: 01/22/99 04:19:15 PM GMT Subject: Re: AMA problems? > From cnorloff@XXXXXX Fri Jan 22 10:33:50 1999 > At 08:18 AM 1/22/99 , louis@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm more interested in the AMA role in motorcyclists' rights. I expect > that the people involved in promoting racing are not the same as those > defending riders' rights. I am also in the AMA because of their role in motorcyclists' rights, and I'm sure that's a separate division of the AMA. But this seemed to --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:45:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13730 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:45:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20627 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23035 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:45:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22210; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:45:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:45:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 - a different swing on this topic In-Reply-To: <96d12eb0.36a8a0c0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > An expert rider is going to enjoy the R1 more than the Hawk (thats just > MHO). I know of a couple retired AMA pros who ride Hawks. These guys have more expertise at riding fast than anyone else I know. So, yes, it's just your opinion. :) Your opinion is also the opinion of someone who's not an expert... I'm sure you don't classify yourself. I know I don't think of myself as an expert rider - expert at arguing, well, that's another story! > My point is, you have to make a relative comparison. No, you don't. That wasn't Fred's argument. His argument was that someone riding an R1 and using 10% of the machine's abilities would be compared to someone riding another bike (not specified) in a similar manner would have the other bike at 50% of the machine's abilities. The 90% reserve of the R1 would universally make it a safer machine. I disagree. At some point someone with less than perfect control could accidentally use 100% of the R1's braking power or enginer power or... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:56:00 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13849 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:55:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22579 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:55:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:55:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC923@MSCEX> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > But hey... let a person ride what they want.. I can always choose not > to ride with or around them if I don't think they can handle it safely... I'll agree on that one. However, the hp limits and such the europeans, japanese, etc place on beginners have some appeal (now I've pissed off the libertarians...). Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 11:59:03 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13926 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 396; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:58:26 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990122115641.01b4a770@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:58:17 -0500 To: "FAAS, BRAD" , "'DC-Cycles'" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 In-Reply-To: <199901221240.HAA02352@nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:35 AM 1/22/99 , FAAS, BRAD wrote: > >My CBR600 F4 arrives next week. Everyone, please send me messages now >telling me I will not be using the full potential of the bike, that I >can't ride, I'll be unsafe, etc. While my computer is busy downloading >them, I'll hopefully be out somewhere enjoying about 40% potential of my >new bike. This is the bike I want, I bought it, I'm going to enjoy it, >dammit, even if I'm not Duhammel. Congrats on the F4. My plan is to finish next season on the cb750, hopefully taking a few test ride on SOMEONES (hint) F4, and buying one over the winter. Now my HOA can bitch about 2 bikes in front of my townhouse instead of one ;-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 12:20:10 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14344 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA10857; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:18:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990122171907.FTHM1406@toddnt>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:19:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:18:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be462b$2984ce20$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > > But hey... let a person ride what they want.. I can always choose not > > to ride with or around them if I don't think they can handle it > safely... > > I'll agree on that one. However, the hp limits and such the europeans, > japanese, etc place on beginners have some appeal (now I've pissed off the > libertarians...). > > Kirk Well it's better than always being pissed on by you conservatives! Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 12:42:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14676 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21644 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24766 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA12024; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:43:21 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma011798; Fri, 22 Jan 99 12:42:56 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5Z001NI2JLAM@XXXXXX>; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256701.006106BD ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:39:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:39:41 -0500 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 - a different swing on this topic To: Kirk Roy Cc: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256701.0060CD69.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Kirk, I think what you are getting at here is 90% of the bikes capabilities vs. 90% of the riders capabilities. In theory, the 90% reserve would make the R1 safer, but you have to make the assumption that the rider is as capable at riding as the machine is... --chris From: Kirk Roy Date: 01/22/99 04:45:09 PM GMT Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 - a different swing on this topic --snip-- > My point is, you have to make a relative comparison. --snip-- The 90% reserve of the R1 would universally make it a safer machine. I disagree. At some point someone with less than perfect control could accidentally use 100% of the R1's braking power or enginer power or... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 12:52:25 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14915 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:52:23 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA16647; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:53:46 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma016448; Fri, 22 Jan 99 12:53:11 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5Z004FL30MC5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256701.0061F616 ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:49:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 12:46:47 -0500 Subject: F4s Are In!!! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256701.0061BC9B.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL FYI: I just got a voice-mail from a guy at Loudon Motorsports that they just got the new F4s in, and I have to go out of town for the weekend! AARGH! I really wanted to take a close look at them. I guess I'll have to wait until next week. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 13:13:54 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15261 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AFDC142A0318; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:13:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990122130217.02c868d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:18:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: AMA problems? In-Reply-To: <85256701.005AE1D5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:35 AM 1/22/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >I agree with your perspective Louis ... is there an e-mail addy for the >AMA? I have been a member for several years (and should know it) ... There's probably one at their website www.ama-cycle.org >Also, when you guys say "motorcyclists rights" do you mean the Government >Relations group? That is the part I am most interested in also. Well, >that and my $1.00 off poker runs ... :-) Yes, gov't relations and whatever group handles actions against motorcyclists (like Spartanburg and motorcycle bans). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 13:55:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15991 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23045 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28599 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:55:36 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id KMCUa07798 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:54:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 13:54:34 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 - a different swing on this topic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Hmm...maybe I missed the point of his comparison. I thought that the overall point of the thread was which bike is safer? Granted I havent read every post to the thread so maybe Im missing something but thats what I thought it was. An experienced rider on a bike stomping bike (anything over 100+ hp really) than a novice on a slower machine. An expert can stop an R1 quicker than a newbie on a Hawk, acceleration is better to avoid an meeting with a certain car (no matter whos riding), etc. I guess I just missed the point of the debate.. Oh well Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 14:29:57 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16592 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 14:29:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901221929.OAA16592@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:29:34 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: bah, bikes and ability.. Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:25:48 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > An expert can stop an R1 > quicker than a > newbie on a Hawk, acceleration is better to avoid an meeting > with a certain > car (no matter whos riding), etc. You have the point, but how many riders are even what we (as a DC-Cycles whole) would consider experienced.. much less an expert. You have to agree that about 95% of people on a motorcycle are clueless, and more likely to hurt themselves and others on an R1 than they would on a Hawk/CB-1/Bandit 600.. etc. Just to easy for the 'average' rider to not know the limits of the bikes... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 15:07:47 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17292 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:07:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:07:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: DC Parking, more & Comments: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:07:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 2 more: 1200 Block C SW ~ 8 spaces, Behind USDA South Bldg. tops off of meters. Ergo they're free. If blocked, by trucks try USDA MC parking in the parking lot on the north side of Independence, just west of 12 Th. The bars are to block cages from parking there. USDA doesn't issue MC stickers so there's no official motorcycles. If you back in and use center stand, be careful of the back bar. :^( Comments: 1300 block K St NW -- 9 Yup, south side next to 14th. 3 to 5 regulars through the winter - full in good weather. 300 block Eye St NW -- 14 spaces Yup, south side, next to 4th 1100 block Vermont Ave NW -- 10 Yup east side just south of Thomas Circle 1400 block G St. NW -- 14 Mmm yeah 800 block Vermont Ave, NW -- 23 spaces IIRC, this is on the east side of McPherson Square 1200 block New Hampshire Ave NW -- 20 spaces mmm, yeah, in the triangle section just north of M, east of 21 st? Unit block G St NW -- 8 ??? couldn't find it on either side of Capitol 1300 block New York Ave NW -- 10 Not certain this one exists any more either. But 1300 K or 1400 G spaces are handy. Carl in Bethesda From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 15:17:00 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17468 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:16:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28313 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:16:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:16:51 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC Parking, more & Comments: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know if this is general knowledge but the Humphrey building (Independence Ave, SW) has free MC parking on the sidewalk/patio and is sort of covered (there's a roof way up high). It's on the SW side of the building, if I'm not mistaken... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 15:25:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17578 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24652 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02486 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:24:59 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4DSMa18626 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a4683c0.36a8ddf0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:22:08 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bah, bikes and ability.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/22/99 2:34:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << You have the point, but how many riders are even what we (as a DC-Cycles whole) would consider experienced.. much less an expert. You have to agree that about 95% of people on a motorcycle are clueless, and more likely to hurt themselves and others on an R1 than they would on a Hawk/CB-1/Bandit 600.. etc. Just to easy for the 'average' rider to not know the limits of the bikes... >> Agreed. But isnt that a pretty much common sense point? Maybe thats why I didnt get the point at first...it doesnt make much sense to debate the obvious. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 15:25:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17611 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24664 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA02510 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:25:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzhp26917 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256701.00705EF4 ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:27:23 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256701.00705D79.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 15:21:37 -0500 Subject: Superbowl Party Reminder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Don't forget....we're having a Superbowl Party on the 31st at our house at 3PM... 1220 S. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 16:12:57 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18455 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:12:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29941 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:12:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Neat pic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was recently doing a track test and a neat pic of me was taken, at least I'm pretty sure it's me... http://www.amasuperbike.com/lagtest99/lag2f.jpg Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 17:47:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19999 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27182 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07050 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:47:22 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0NSGa19751 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:46:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3772044b.36a8ffa8@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:46:00 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Neat pic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 In a message dated 1/22/99 4:17:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << http://www.amasuperbike.com/lagtest99/lag2f.jpg >> wheewww... that brought back memories of the ol' high side I experienced a couple weeks ago.... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 18:39:12 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20770 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:39:11 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VHXDa15302; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:36:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <325a2f36.36a90b66@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:36:06 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/22/99 7:12:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << This is shown quite well by our own Collin, who consistantally leads a group of 'quick and capable' riders on a claped out 80-something maxim. >> The question is, would they be able to keep up with him with a "claped out 80-something maxim" I think that "it's the rider not the bike" thing has limits. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 18:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20939 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SZTIa27784; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:41:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:41:08 EST To: brad.faas@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/22/99 7:41:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, brad.faas@XXXXXX writes: << My CBR600 F4 arrives next week. >> Congratulations Brad, by the way the insurance company finally paid the full estimate amount, a new pair of boots and an extra $250 for my trouble. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 19:09:48 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21286 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:09:46 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TKTMa27784; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:00:58 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:00:58 EST To: kirk@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/22/99 10:25:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, kirk@XXXXXX writes: << Fred, your years of experience (which you've used as a justification of placing your opinions higher than those with less experience) is perhaps clouding your ability to look at things from the perspective of that person with less experience. >> Hmmm, while the comment was partially tongue in cheek, I think that it is logical. Take Collin (not to pick on Collin) on a Maxim in perfect condition able to lean say 45 degrees before touching a rigid peg and Brian (not to pick on Brian but just another talented rider) on an R-1 which can lean 50 degrees before touching a folding peg. So lets just use this limit. If both go into a corner at the same speed and the Maxim must lean 50 degrees to make the corner and the R-1 must lean at the same angle (the physics of calculating the relative lean angle required are beyond me at this time) who is on the safer bike at that point in time. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 19:34:42 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21669 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04260 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:34:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:34:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Neat pic In-Reply-To: <3772044b.36a8ffa8@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > << http://www.amasuperbike.com/lagtest99/lag2f.jpg >> > > wheewww... that brought back memories of the ol' high side I experienced a > couple weeks ago.... The guy in the pic isn't crashing. He's applying dirt track style techniques to road racing. Fast Freddie's school (mucho $$$) has a dirt track component to get students involved in that sort of riding... Maybe someday when the $$$ and time come together I'll head out to Vegas to really learn to do that myself. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 20:42:00 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22668 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:41:59 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr4-dialup6.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.67.198]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35508) with SMTP id <0F5Z00E99OOX1S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:41:24 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:41:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Neat pic To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Message-id: <00ca01be4671$82e75500$c64337a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >I was recently doing a track test and a neat pic of me was taken, at least >I'm pretty sure it's me... > >http://www.amasuperbike.com/lagtest99/lag2f.jpg > >Kirk Oh yeah, I thought that was you on the R6 backing it in the turn. Speaking of using the rear brake! Yeeoww..... Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 22 23:59:28 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA25693 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 23:55:43 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: AMA problems? Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:01:23 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01be468d$6c76a340$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199901221318.IAA12161@shell.clark.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Thanks for the link. I'm sure American Motorcyclist will carry a MUCH slanted version of this. FWIW, I joined AMA solely for the government relations. Racing should be a separate and distinct entity. Just MHO... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 23 00:06:04 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25866 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:02:23 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:08:04 -0500 Message-ID: <007d01be468e$5b498dc0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Not necessarily. If I'm correct, they believe in individual rights up to the point where they infringe on the rights of others. Also informed training, etc... So, when squidly Joe buys a ZX9R or Fireblade as his first bike, wheelies out of the dealer lot, and slams into a schoolbus, causing it to burst into flames, *I* get painted with the same brush. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 23 00:10:06 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25886 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.45]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:06:26 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , , Cc: Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:12:07 -0500 Message-ID: <008301be468e$ebfd50e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal If they both must take the corner at the same angle at the same speed, the bikes are too alike. It's not a good comparison. Lean angle is pretty much a non-statistic. Information that serves no purpose. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 23 08:34:29 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06482 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:34:27 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0JRIa07792; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:33:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8e8494ce.36a9cf94@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 08:33:08 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/23/99 12:15:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << If they both must take the corner at the same angle at the same speed, the bikes are too alike. It's not a good comparison. Lean angle is pretty much a non-statistic. >> Jeesh, the point was that one bike had a lean limit of 45 degrees with a rigid peg while the other a lean limit of 50 degrees with a folding peg. Just a simple easy to understand handling limit was what I was trying to identify. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 23 16:49:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13677 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11098 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25862 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DVDGa01440 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:48:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60762ed2.36aa43a4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:48:20 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: For anyone in the market for a new bike Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I stopped by Colemans FC today to snag some spark plugs. They have most 99 models in stock now (includes a very nice Duc 996, 99 TLS, CBRf4, blue ZX9,etc). They are also having a nice helmet sale (very UNLIKE Colemans). Check it out. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 23 16:53:17 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA13756 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA03211 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:53:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990123163512.009855c0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:39:53 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: be on the lookout Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hey gang -- a word of warning! I was down at Coleman/Woodbridge today and saw a frightening sight. This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has recently passed away but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three buddies about the same age. All first-time riders with little or no experience and no MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 Ducati's. I didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the lookout for: blue Ninja 900 green Ninja 900 yellow Ducati 748 red Ducati 996 As I left, the salesman was trying to explain to them about how new tires are slick for a while. They weren't listening. --w wes@XXXXXX http://shadow.newspeak.org/ '96 Honda Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 Honda CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 VJMC #1884 SCRC #11001 (VA State Officer) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 23 17:47:41 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14592 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:47:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA04259; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:47:36 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id RAA23846; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:47:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: be on the lookout In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990123163512.009855c0@pop.rcn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently the kid is in a hurry to see his dad again. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 23 20:20:00 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16823 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from defcon (207-172-60-157.s157.tnt7.brd.erols.com [207.172.60.157]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA22148 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:19:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007101be4737$8496c7c0$9d3caccf@defcon> From: "Leslie" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: going to Arenacross tommorrow Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:18:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Hello folks..been on vacation for a bit over a month back in Tennessee...had about 2,500 messages waiting for me....I took the KLR dual sport home with me to ride...did a lot of off road riding...got stuck in the mud several times...but had a great time....got to ride on my grandfathers farm...no need for insurance waivers or anything..had everything from trails in the woods to 10 foot jumps....all free....you gotta love the rural areas...anyway I got back and recharged the Katana battery and took her for a ride...wow what a different feeling....I felt like a new rider again...such a night and day experience..leaning forward was a bit rough on the back for the first few miles, but it came to me eventually....Anyway just wanted to say hello and tell ya that i'm going up to the Arenacross tommorrow for the 2 oclock races....got two empty seats if anyone wants a ride......tickets are $16 bucks at the gate...cya later Les.... From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 00:47:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20688 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA15892 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA01355 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:47:52 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RJRKa19752 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:46:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:46:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: << This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has recently passed away but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three buddies about the same age. All first-time riders with little or no experience and no MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 Ducati's. I didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the lookout for: >> Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell anything to anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have made a SCENE with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to look out for peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will seriously hurt themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with them! Typical Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill definitely keep my eye out. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 01:32:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21337 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA16233 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01718 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id GAA24721; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 06:29:10 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.189]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990124063159.KHNA1406@toddnt>; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:31:59 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:30:53 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be4763$17bfc210$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Wow! My sentiments, more or less exactly! > In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > wes@XXXXXX > writes: > > << This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has > recently passed away > but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three buddies about > the same age. All first-time riders with little or no experience and no > MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 Ducati's. I > didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the > "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the > lookout for: >> > > Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell > anything to > anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have > made a SCENE > with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to look out for > peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will > seriously hurt > themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with them! Typical > Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill > definitely keep my eye out. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 01:51:57 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21635 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 24 Jan 1999 06:51:55 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA16022 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:51:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:51:54 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: re: be on the lookout Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: << This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has recently passed away but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three buddies about the same age. All first-time riders with little or no experience and no MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 Ducati's. I didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the lookout for: >> >Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell anything >to >anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have made a >SCENE >with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to look out for >peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will seriously >hurt >themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with them! Typical >Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill >definitely keep my eye out. Raises the question of who's job it is to keep yourself alive.. I kinda think its your own. I have to agree with how you feel - that it is silly and dangerous for them to have motorcycles.. but at the same time, people have to be allowed to do what they want with their lives.. and if they have a deathwish, so be it.. Certainly, the counter-argument is that if they plow into a family of 6.. they aren't just affecting themselves.. but that is a choice and risk that they have to make. I really can't say I blame the salesman - if he had said no, they would have smiply gone elsewhere. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 01:56:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21649 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA16392 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com ([205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01892 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:56:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:52:39 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:58:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00fe01be4766$f6573820$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.activebike.com/index/features/market/market.html No comments about what is contained in the article, but it is on point. (FWIW, I agree with you that dealers who sell Blades to newbies should be castrated) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 02:00:23 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com ([205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21887 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 02:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.22]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:46:39 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: Cc: Subject: RE: I Finally Got a R1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:52:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00fd01be4766$1f9446c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <8e8494ce.36a9cf94@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal A point that doesn't matter. Both machines will eventually exceed the mechanical limits of their lean. So what? I don't think anyone ever stated anything like "the R1 handles worse than a cruiser". Rather it was "the sporting nature of the R1 makes it a relative killer in the hands of a ham-fisted newbie". ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Jeesh, the point was that one bike had a lean limit of 45 degrees > with a rigid > peg while the other a lean limit of 50 degrees with a folding peg. Just a > simple easy to understand handling limit was what I was trying to > identify. > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 05:03:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA25302 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA18362 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA03524 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:03:15 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MQYWa19751; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:02:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5b4f6f61.36aaefad@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:02:21 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Do dealers check for a valid drivers lisence? From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 10:21:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29844 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20786 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05691 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust020.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.20]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04043; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:21:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990124151349.006ac4d0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:13:49 -0500 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: be on the lookout >In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX >writes: > >The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 Ducati's. I > didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the > "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. At 12:46 AM 1/24/99 EST, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >There comes a point where you have to look out for >peoples welfare. You sound like Gary Busey. So now you want to make it illegal for someone else to repeat your mistakes? Motorcycle accidents that injure anyone other than the biker are VERY rare, when they do happen, there are already criminal laws against injuring others, and what those don't cover, civil action to recover damages from the motorcyclist are available. There are even reckless driving laws that make it illegal to ride in a matter that MIGHT injure others. We don't need more laws. Leon Begeman From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 10:31:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA29989 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20851 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05755 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27941 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust026.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.26]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04221 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:31:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990124152322.006aea00@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:23:22 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: be on the lookout Now I'm curious. How would a libertarian implement such a policy without restricting individual freedom? At 01:30 AM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >Wow! My sentiments, more or less exactly! > >> In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> wes@XXXXXX >> writes: >> >> << This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has >> recently passed away >> but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three buddies about >> the same age. All first-time riders with little or no experience and no >> MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 Ducati's. I >> didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the >> "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the >> lookout for: >> >> >> Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell >> anything to >> anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have >> made a SCENE >> with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to look out for >> peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will >> seriously hurt >> themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with them! Typical >> Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill >> definitely keep my eye out. >> > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 10:59:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00498 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21115 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06296 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:59:30 -0500 (EST) From: NJitzul@XXXXXX Received: from NJitzul@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id NRMNa04329 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:58:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <979318b.36ab4327@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:58:31 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I think the point is that steps should be taken to insure that a beginner doesn't get in over their head, not that there should be a law against it. I'm glad that I had enough sense to not buy the first bike I went and looked at (Yamaha V-Max). I'm not saying that kid was getting his first bike, but I do think dealers have some responsibility to the general public to monitor situations to keep a potentially hazardous situation from occuring. They can at least recommend a smaller bike and point out the wisedom behind it. Sure, money means alot to a business, but you don't get repeat customers when you kill them off. Just my $.02 Robert VanSlyke 83 Shadow 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 11:27:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00964 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21393 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06959 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:26:53 -0500 (EST) From: MJordan666@XXXXXX Received: from MJordan666@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HKMRa04329 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:26:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9b01b014.36ab499f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:26:07 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Kinda makes a good case for graduated licenses like most of the European countries have. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 11:54:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01350 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA21633 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07284 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-97.s97.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.97]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id LAA08355; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:54:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AB559D.FA08E350@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:17:17 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: be on the lookout References: <000401be4763$17bfc210$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holy cow Batman!!!! Todd and Jack AGREEING on a topic :) he he he just kidding you two.... It's a difficult situation to look at... From what I hear, the pay at CPS sucks, but the commisions are decent. That's one thing that causes their salespeople to approach things a little differnce. I also notice that almost all of their salesmen are pretty darn young, and may not quite have experience or guidance (can't find the right word that I'm looking for, so experience will have to do) to have developed a good solid base of morals and ethics (and I said MAY not)... Also, look at it from this standpoint, those 4 probably knew exactly what they wanted before they walked in the door, so any efforts of the salesman to persuade them otherwise would have been futile at best, and said squidlies would have just gone to the next dealer until they got what they were after..so might as well get the commision...not saying it's right or wrong, but that's the way you have to look at it... What I thought was REALLY TACKY and unethical is starting up a "who'll crash first" pot with other customers around to hear about it, and even participate. pathetic! Maybe Roy Turner could help out here, cause it's his line of work, but let's say one of said squidlies is in a nasty accident and is killed. By having a "who crashes first" pot sounds pretty much like the dealer KNEW these kids were not able to handle the machinery being sold and opens them up to a LOT of liability in the event one of them bites it... well....enough senseless rambling from hangover boy..I'm going to go crawl back in bed now :( Collin Todd Peer wrote: > > Wow! My sentiments, more or less exactly! > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 12:24:04 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01843 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA01333 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:23:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv11-13.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.13) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001272; Sun Jan 24 11:23:16 1999 Message-ID: <00e401be47be$3b0cb740$0d5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Fw: be on the lookout Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:23:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 If the smartest, most mature thing some 18 year old can do with money = he has recently inherited is go buy 4 motorcycles at a pop, I say Go For = it !! It will be better for the gene pool when he slags himself and = whoever is stupid enough to be riding with him. =20 Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 12:48:48 1999 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (root@XXXXXX [198.82.160.250]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02253 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA25543 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle (kamuelle.campus.vt.edu [198.82.109.118]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20621 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:48:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990124124842.00948b50@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:48:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: be on the lookout In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990123163512.009855c0@pop.rcn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (oops, sorry wes, ment to send this to the whole list to give my $.02)) oh great.. just another bunch of squids to give motorcycling a bad name.. being a 19-year old kid, i KNOW these guys are gonna be wrecked in a couple of hours (just ask hugh, leon, or dale about my wreck), but at least i have the sense to know that an EX500 is more than enuf for me.. *sigh* --Karl Mueller (MSF course coming soon, as soon as i get this cast off) At 04:39 PM 1/23/99 -0500, you wrote: >hey gang -- a word of warning! I was down at Coleman/Woodbridge today and >saw a frightening sight. > >This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has recently passed away >but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three buddies about >the same age. All first-time riders with little or no experience and no >MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 Ducati's. I >didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the >"which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the lookout for: > >blue Ninja 900 >green Ninja 900 >yellow Ducati 748 >red Ducati 996 > >As I left, the salesman was trying to explain to them about how new tires >are slick for a while. They weren't listening. > >--w >wes@XXXXXX >http://shadow.newspeak.org/ >'96 Honda Shadow "Ghetto Sled" >'78 Honda CB750 "Extra Sled" >SOHC/4 #1017 VJMC #1884 >SCRC #11001 (VA State Officer) > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 13:42:56 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03123 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA08893 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:42:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-03.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.131) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008843; Sun Jan 24 12:42:03 1999 Message-ID: <002301be47c9$3bcde360$8372d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Appears off topic until #12 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:42:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE479F.5198E7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE479F.5198E7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >>Charles Sykes is the author of DUMBING DOWN OUR KIDS. >> >>He volunteered for high school and college graduates a list of = things >> >>they did not learn in school. >> > >> >In his book, he talks about how the >> >>liberal, feel good, politically correct garbage has created a >> >>generation of kids with no concept of reality and set them up for >> >>failure in the real world. >> >>Anyone who's supervised people from this generation will agree. >> > >> >>Rule 1: Life is not fair; get used to it. >> > >> >>Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem. >> >>The world will expect you to accomplish something before you >> >>feel good about yourself. >> > >> >>Rule 3: You will not make 40 thousand dollars a year right >> >>out of high school. You won't be a vice president with a car >> >>phone until you earn both. >> > >> >>Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till >> >>you get a boss. He doesn't have tenure. >> > >> >>Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. >> >>Your grandparents had a different word for burger >> >>flipping; they called it opportunity. >> > >> >>Rule 6: If you screw up, it's not your parents' fault >> >>so don't whine about your mistakes. Learn from them. >> > >> >>Rule 7: Before you were born your parents weren't as >> >>boring as they are now. They got that way paying your >> >>bills, cleaning your room, and listening to you tell >> >>how idealistic you are. So before you save the rain >> >>forest from the blood-sucking parasites of your >> >>parents' generation, try delousing the closet in >> >>your own room. >> > >> >>Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners >> >>and losers but life has not. In some schools they have >> >>abolished failing grades, they'll give you as many >> >>times as you want to get the right answer. This, of >> >>course, bears not the slightest resemblance to anything >> >>in real life. >> > >> >>Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't >> >>get summers off, and very few employers are interested >> >>in helping you find yourself. Do that on your own time. >> > >> >>Rule 10: Television is not real life. In real life people >> >>actually have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs. >> > >> >>Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up >> >>working for one. >> > >> >>Rule 12: Living fast and dying young is romantic - >> >>only until you see one of your peers at room temperature Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE479F.5198E7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> >>Charles Sykes is the author of DUMBING DOWN OUR=20 KIDS.
>> >>He volunteered for high school and college = graduates a=20 list of things
>> >>they did not learn in = school.
>>=20 >
>> >In his book, he talks about how the
>>=20 >>liberal, feel good, politically correct garbage has created=20 a
>> >>generation of kids with no concept of reality and = set them=20 up for
>> >>failure in the real world.
>> = >>Anyone=20 who's supervised people from this generation will agree.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 1: Life is not fair; get used to = it.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 2: The world won't care about your=20 self-esteem.
>> >>The world will expect you to accomplish = something before you
>> >>feel good about = yourself.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 3: You will not make 40 thousand dollars a = year=20 right
>> >>out of high school. You won't be a vice = president with=20 a car
>> >>phone until you earn both.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, = wait=20 till
>> >>you get a boss. He doesn't have = tenure.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your=20 dignity.
>> >>Your grandparents had a different word for=20 burger
>> >>flipping; they called it = opportunity.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 6: If you screw up, it's not your parents' = fault
>> >>so don't whine about your mistakes. Learn from = them.
>> >
>> >>Rule 7: Before you were born = your=20 parents weren't as
>> >>boring as they are now. They got = that way=20 paying your
>> >>bills, cleaning your room, and listening = to you=20 tell
>> >>how idealistic you are. So before you save the=20 rain
>> >>forest from the blood-sucking parasites of=20 your
>> >>parents' generation, try delousing the closet=20 in
>> >>your own room.
>> >
>> = >>Rule=20 8: Your school may have done away with winners
>> >>and = losers=20 but life has not. In some schools they have
>> = >>abolished=20 failing grades, they'll give you as many
>> >>times as = you want=20 to get the right answer. This, of
>> >>course, bears not = the=20 slightest resemblance to anything
>> >>in real = life.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You = don't
>> >>get summers off, and very few employers are=20 interested
>> >>in helping you find yourself. Do that on = your own=20 time.
>> >
>> >>Rule 10: Television is not = real life.=20 In real life people
>> >>actually have to leave the = coffee shop=20 and go to jobs.
>> >
>> >>Rule 11: Be nice to = nerds.=20 Chances are you'll end up
>> >>working for = one.
>>=20 >
>> >>Rule 12: Living fast and dying young is = romantic=20 -
>> >>only until you see one of your peers at room=20 temperature
Ken S.
HDKnight1 on AOL Instant=20 messenger
HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager
kshephard@XXXXXX
1996 XLH = 1200
Ride=20 Safe
Inwood, WV
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BE479F.5198E7A0-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 13:51:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03278 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22669 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08889 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:51:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA04823; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:51:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 13:51:36 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: NJitzul@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: be on the lookout Message-ID: <19990124135136.B4518@cosanostra.net> References: <979318b.36ab4327@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <979318b.36ab4327@aol.com>; from NJitzul@aol.com on Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 10:58:31AM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake NJitzul@XXXXXX, on Sun, Jan 24, 1999 at 10:58:31AM -0500: > I think the point is that steps should be taken to insure that a beginner > doesn't get in over their head, not that there should be a law against it. I'm > glad that I had enough sense to not buy the first bike I went and looked at > (Yamaha V-Max). I'm not saying that kid was getting his first bike, but I do > think dealers have some responsibility to the general public to monitor > situations to keep a potentially hazardous situation from occuring. They can > at least recommend a smaller bike and point out the wisedom behind it. Sure, > money means alot to a business, but you don't get repeat customers when you > kill them off. Just my $.02 Oh, I dunno. You can also look at it as one small part of a self- cleaning gene pool. A friend of mine had an interesting thought on the topic that some people will probably appreciate - when every kid turns 16, give them a free motorcycle, _with any engine they want_. The survivors are the ones that get to breed. -- Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necromicon_ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 14:07:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03511 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22846 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09233 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:07:14 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3FCJa03463 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:05:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:05:44 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/24/99 1:56:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << Raises the question of who's job it is to keep yourself alive.. I kinda think its your own. I have to agree with how you feel - that it is silly and dangerous for them to have motorcycles.. but at the same time, people have to be allowed to do what they want with their lives.. and if they have a deathwish, so be it.. Certainly, the counter-argument is that if they plow into a family of 6.. they aren't just affecting themselves.. but that is a choice and risk that they have to make. I really can't say I blame the salesman - if he had said no, they would have smiply gone elsewhere. >> Maybe so. But I also believe that as the salesman its his responsibility to look out for safety. He could have very easily led the kids over to the used bikes section. When I was there on Wednesday they had Katanas, F3s, etc that those kids would have been perfectly happy. Wouldnt surprise me, knowing Colemans if they LED the kids over to the ZX9, Ducs, etc so they can make the most $$ possible. It wouldnt surprise me at all. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 14:26:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03755 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23015 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09530 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:26:18 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CFROa03539 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:25:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:25:40 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/24/99 1:48:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, shephar1@XXXXXX writes: << >>Rule 3: You will not make 40 thousand dollars a year right >> >>out of high school. You won't be a vice president with a car >> >>phone until you earn both. >> Im sorry, not to brag or anything but this isnt necessarily true ;). Im 22 (23 on wednesday) and make $48,000 per year... Rule 3 should be amended to say "right out of high school unless you get into the computer field"... Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 14:42:46 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04041 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:42:44 -0500 (EST) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-34-94.s31.as10.rkv.erols.com [207.172.34.94]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22742 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:42:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36ABA178.5558@erols.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:40:57 -0800 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Impact Wrench Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anybody loan me an impact wrench for a few hours ? I'm stuck in the middle of a clutch replacement on my DR650 and can only remove it with either a special Suzuki tool or impact wrench...and my brother in law's wrench just quit ! Thanks a zillion Niv DR650 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 15:06:37 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04450 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA01239 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:06:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Impact Wrench In-Reply-To: <36ABA178.5558@erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 rdrdr@XXXXXX wrote: > I'm stuck in the middle of a clutch replacement on my DR650 and can only > remove it with either a special Suzuki tool or impact wrench...and my > brother in law's wrench just quit ! Put the bike in a high gear, stand on the rear brake, and then turn the bolt/nut. No special tool needed. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 15:54:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05136 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23682 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10811 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29246 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13226 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990124155407.008d9190@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:54:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: Impact Wrench Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:06 PM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 rdrdr@XXXXXX wrote: >> I'm stuck in the middle of a clutch replacement on my DR650 and can only >> remove it with either a special Suzuki tool or impact wrench...and my >> brother in law's wrench just quit ! > >Put the bike in a high gear, stand on the rear brake, and then turn the >bolt/nut. No special tool needed. > >Kirk Or take a extra gear and put it betwn the crankshaft primary drive gear and clutch hub ring gear to lock rotation of all three. If you don't have a extra gear laying around you can also bunch up a rag and jamb the clutch ring gear and crankshaft primary drive. When you are done just rotate it backwards to get the torn up bits of cloth from between. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 16:13:38 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05455 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:13:37 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BUPFa01433; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:12:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:12:39 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: I Finally Got a R1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/24/99 3:14:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << A point that doesn't matter. Both machines will eventually exceed the mechanical limits of their lean. >> The point was one machine would reach that point before the other. Just a simple example of relative limits not the subject of a thesis. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 16:16:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05534 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA23907 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11114 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA04799; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-64-186.s186.tnt17.brd.erols.com(207.172.64.186) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma004796; Sun, 24 Jan 99 16:15:17 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990124161356.00c1c4d0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:14:50 -0500 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Im sorry, not to brag or anything but this isnt necessarily true ;). Im 22 >(23 on wednesday) and make $48,000 per year... >Rule 3 should be amended to say "right out of high school unless you get into >the computer field"... But you arent right out of high school...unless you were the oldest senior in your class. Right out of college is a bit different ;-) _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 16:24:33 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05633 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA04810; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-64-186.s186.tnt17.brd.erols.com(207.172.64.186) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma004807; Sun, 24 Jan 99 16:23:46 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990124161752.00c1da50@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:23:12 -0500 To: "Ken" , "dc-cycles" From: Mike T Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 In-Reply-To: <002301be47c9$3bcde360$8372d9ce@uspppshephar1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_16179803==_.ALT" --=====================_16179803==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:42 PM 1/24/99 -0500, Ken wrote: > > >> >>Charles Sykes is the author of DUMBING DOWN OUR KIDS. > >> >>He volunteered for high school and college graduates a list of things > >> >>they did not learn in school. > >> > > >> >In his book, he talks about how the > >> >>liberal, feel good, politically correct garbage has created a > >> >>generation of kids with no concept of reality and set them up for > >> >>failure in the real world. > >> >>Anyone who's supervised people from this generation will agree. The problem I have with this, and any generalization, is that you have helped to promote a stereotype of a generation. I am a part of genX as is Wes (beginner of the "be on a lookout"thread). I am a network engineer...he has his (masters?) degree in Hostory...working on his PHd I believe. Is that what you picture as the typical genX kid? Just pisses me off a bit to be associated with the long gangsta pant wearing pierced tongue freaks that were born just after I was. I don't know any genX'ers in the working class that I would call slackers. In school is one thing...working is another. But Im not going to bring up the 60's. :-) MT ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 --=====================_16179803==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 01:42 PM 1/24/99 -0500, Ken wrote:
>> >>Charles Sykes is the author of DUMBING DOWN OUR KIDS.
>> >>He volunteered for high school and college graduates a list of things
>> >>they did not learn in school.
>> >
>> >In his book, he talks about how the
>> >>liberal, feel good, politically correct garbage has created a
>> >>generation of kids with no concept of reality and set them up for
>> >>failure in the real world.
>> >>Anyone who's supervised people from this generation will agree.

The problem I have with this, and any generalization, is that you have helped to promote a stereotype of a generation.  I am a part of genX as is Wes (beginner of the "be on a lookout"thread).  I am a network engineer...he has his (masters?) degree in Hostory...working on his PHd I believe.  Is that what you picture as the typical genX kid?

Just pisses me off a bit to be associated with the long gangsta pant wearing pierced tongue freaks that were born just after I was.  I don't know any genX'ers in the working class that I would call slackers.  In school is one thing...working is another.  But Im not going to bring up the 60's.  :-)

MT

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DNRC member since '97 --=====================_16179803==_.ALT-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 16:35:36 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05903 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id QAA04829; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-64-186.s186.tnt17.brd.erols.com(207.172.64.186) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma004826; Sun, 24 Jan 99 16:35:00 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990124163357.00a54f00@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:34:52 -0500 To: "Ken" , "dc-cycles" From: Mike T Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990124161752.00c1da50@www.troutman.org> References: <002301be47c9$3bcde360$8372d9ce@uspppshephar1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ooh....wicked typos in my flame. History...as I know...is spelled with an "I" sorry the 'ole spell checker didnt catch me... ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 16:36:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05915 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA24102 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:36:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11377 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29504 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by ENTERPRISE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:37:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A591101306EF@ENTERPRISE> From: Scot Kight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Impact Wrench Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:37:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can get an impact tool for about 20 bucks from sears. While these methods do work, the impact tool is useful on quite a few jobs, esp tight phillips head screws and small allen heads. It will break them free WITHOUT stripping. (Most of the time.) You also need a hammer, not the normal nail hammer, a heavy one, like 10lbs. So add another 10 bucks onto this. I use the impact tool anytime I am worried about stripping screws on my duc. Worked great on the clutch and the brass (ugh) screws in there. I wish I had it when I was putting my jetkit in, ended up having to drill the screw out, but the drill bit on something and jumped up, and went through some of my thumb. Oh well. Scot 95 900ss/98 916sp -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Harris [mailto:harris@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 3:54 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Impact Wrench At 03:06 PM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 rdrdr@XXXXXX wrote: >> I'm stuck in the middle of a clutch replacement on my DR650 and can only >> remove it with either a special Suzuki tool or impact wrench...and my >> brother in law's wrench just quit ! > >Put the bike in a high gear, stand on the rear brake, and then turn the >bolt/nut. No special tool needed. > >Kirk Or take a extra gear and put it betwn the crankshaft primary drive gear and clutch hub ring gear to lock rotation of all three. If you don't have a extra gear laying around you can also bunch up a rag and jamb the clutch ring gear and crankshaft primary drive. When you are done just rotate it backwards to get the torn up bits of cloth from between. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 17:58:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07208 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24946 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12818 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OMTa007010; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:55:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:55:36 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 so that's at least FOUR years out of high school .... hopefully ;D Marcy In a message dated 1/24/99 2:30:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > Im 22 > (23 on wednesday) and make $48,000 per year... From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 17:59:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07218 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24965 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12863 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:59:03 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DLFAa03538; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:54:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:54:42 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/24/99 2:11:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > Maybe so. But I also believe that as the salesman its his responsibility to > look out for safety. He could have very easily led the kids over to the > used > bikes section. When I was there on Wednesday they had Katanas, F3s, etc > that > those kids would have been perfectly happy. Wouldnt surprise me, knowing > Colemans if they LED the kids over to the ZX9, Ducs, etc so they can make > the > most $$ possible. It wouldnt surprise me at all. no way man - 18 year old boys? they knew for sure they wanted Ducatis no doubt about it - you're gonna sell kids with money to burn a USED motorcycle? not a chance! M. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 18:00:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07298 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25019 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12895 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DTAYa07017 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:54:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <480e78dc.36aba4b9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:54:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/24/99 4:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << But you arent right out of high school...unless you were the oldest senior in your class. Right out of college is a bit different ;-) >> I do not have a college degree. I do have plenty of experience with computers and I guess thats where the difference is. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 18:03:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07308 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25040 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12971 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:03:12 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup20.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.20]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35508) with SMTP id <0F6300LFK6OE04@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:02:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:02:45 -0500 Subject: Re: be on the lookout To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <006b01be47ed$a91b1c20$144937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I see your points and concerns Jack, but I don't think the salesperson has any responsibility to sell anyone a "safer" bike. People should be responsible for their own actions. If someone wants to by an 1100 whatever because they want it, no one should be able to tell them no. Who is the ultimate judge of your skill level, riding style, etc.? Just because your young doesn't mean you're unsafe, or you can't ride. I'm sure some of you have met "older" riders that can be just as dangerous(a few come to mind). Experience and skill level are not based on age. Does anyone think Nicky Hayden(16) is unskilled? If you can't control what you do on a bike, that's your fault. How is a salesperson suppose to judge if you can handle the 1100 whatever or not? I don't think it's their call. If you've never ridden a bike and go buy an 1100 whatever and think you can handle it, so be it. Maybe that person will ride real slow and learn how to control it. Maybe that person will be a squid and blast down the street and wreck. That can happen on any bike. I think any bike can be dangerous, regardless of size. Yeah, bigger bikes are easier to get into trouble with, but it's all on the operator of the vehicle. The potential of danger is greater on the bigger bike, but the person riding the bike is the most dangerous aspect, regardless of what they are on. ZX-9, or EX-500, I don't think it's gonna matter. Jon >Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell anything to >anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have made a SCENE >with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to look out for >peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will seriously hurt >themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with them! Typical >Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill >definitely keep my eye out. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 18:19:13 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07554 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5RQKa05309 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7ac1c25e.36aba7f6@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:08:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 So lets see, the goal is to prevent inexperienced riders from getting high powered motorcycles. If that is correct then we need a what to do that. Some of have suggested that the salesman at that dealership should not have sold the bikes in question to the kids. on the face of it that seems like a reasonable solution. But, lets look at how that salesman is paid. Probably a very small salary with the bulk of his income coming from commision. The salesman didn't dream up the pay plan the owner/manager of the dealership did. So what several of you have suggested is that the salesman not be able to pay his bills next month so that he can counsel the customer to prevent a wreck in the making. If that is what we want then we should pay him based on good counseling and set up system to measure and reward that behavior. I agree with your goals, but not with way you set out to attain them. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 18:22:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07633 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25271 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13345 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:22:23 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RGZCa15302 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:21:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:21:07 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Be on the lookout revisited.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Today, after it cleared up I went for a ride through the "usual Fairfax Co backroads" (Furnace Rd, Wolf Run Shoals, etc). After getting onto Old Colchester Rd at Pohick Church I started making my way. After crossing onto Furnace Rd at Rt1 (just north of the Occoquan Bridge) I made my way down past the landfill thing maintaining a "spirited clip", at least considering that the road was still a bit wet. For those of you who know these roads, there is a downhill hairpin turn that usually has a bit of gravel in it from the gravel dump trucks (its right before the Lorton Work Release house on the right). Ok well enough geography. I approached this turn, slowed and came around. Lo and behold, what did I see? Take a WILD guess! There was a crumpled green ZX9 making love to the guard rail. I slowed and noticed a few kids standing around and thought "No way, this cant be". I stopped and saw a red 996 and a yellow 748. Yep, thats right, it was them. After chatting with them for a few minutes I came to find out that they were going way too fast on this road in the rain, didnt realize that corner was there and the green ZX9 didnt make it with fresh tires and even fresher rain. The kid got lucky and was thrown off. His legs got pretty rashed up but was lucky that thats all there was. You should have seen the look on his face. That should put the fear of God in him and the rest of them. They did NOT want this reported to the police as none of the bikes were insured (I guess Colemans didnt ask) and only the kid on the 996 had even a LICENSE to ride a motorcycle. I figured they may have learned a lesson so I didnt call the cops about it. I mounted my TL and started the motor and guess what? The kid who JUST CRASHED asked me "How much did that bike cost?". JEEEZZZZ.....I told him to learn how to ride first, then worry about prices. So I guess whoever picked the green ZX9 wins the pool. On another side note, the 996 already had a few nasty scratches in fairing like he dropped it a time or two already. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 18:26:45 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07697 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:26:43 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0ZLGa03211 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:16:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <270e3c61.36aba9e2@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:16:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Polar Bear Challenge Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Any one on the list thinking about making the trip to Highland county this coming weekend? If the weather is at all helpful, I think I will go. Interesting article in the Jan/Feb MC Times From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 18:32:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07878 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25357 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13486 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:32:34 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HBQAa07798 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:31:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <104bafec.36abad61@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:31:45 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/24/99 6:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << I see your points and concerns Jack, but I don't think the salesperson has any responsibility to sell anyone a "safer" bike. People should be responsible for their own actions. If someone wants to by an 1100 whatever because they want it, no one should be able to tell them no. Who is the ultimate judge of your skill level, riding style, etc.? Just because your young doesn't mean you're unsafe, or you can't ride. I'm sure some of you have met "older" riders that can be just as dangerous(a few come to mind). Experience and skill level are not based on age. Does anyone think Nicky Hayden(16) is unskilled? If you can't control what you do on a bike, that's your fault. How is a salesperson suppose to judge if you can handle the 1100 whatever or not? I don't think it's their call. If you've never ridden a bike and go buy an 1100 whatever and think you can handle it, so be it. Maybe that person will ride real slow and learn how to control it. Maybe that person will be a squid and blast down the street and wreck. That can happen on any bike. I think any bike can be dangerous, regardless of size. Yeah, bigger bikes are easier to get into trouble with, but it's all on the operator of the vehicle. The potential of danger is greater on the bigger bike, but the person riding the bike is the most dangerous aspect, regardless of what they are on. ZX-9, or EX-500, I don't think it's gonna matter. >> I was basing their skill levels on what was posted about them (and came to find out later as you will read) that they had little to no riding experience and no MSF class. Id be interested to see someone with neither mount a ZX9 and operate it safely and effectively. Granted, its no ones JOB to shew them away from the big bore bikes but its more of a civic and social responsibility on the dealers part. I just think that its amazing that with all the people who have to handle paperwork in the buying process (salesman, sales manager, finance, service) that NO ONE stopped a said "Hey, whats wrong with this picture!?!?". But like I said, its perfectly in line with Colemans philosophy. You are also correct in that the potential danger is _similar_ with a ZX9 or an EX500. At the risk of getting back into the R1 thread again, a ZX9 will run you into a wall ALOT faster than a EX500 will. If you twist the throttle the same amount on each bike there is a _noticable_ difference in how fast the bike goes. Each are dangerous and pose a threat but if thats the end-all then why do most people start riding on 500s or 600s? Because the chance of doing something stupid and paying a big price is smaller. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 19:03:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08395 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25789 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13980 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:03:06 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup20.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.20]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F6300LHE9F924@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:02:00 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:02:04 -0500 Subject: Re: wrecked bikes To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <008901be47f5$f20ab460$144937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >There was a crumpled green >ZX9 making love to the guard rail. I slowed and noticed a few kids standing >around and thought "No way, this cant be". I stopped and saw a red 996 and a >yellow 748. Yep, thats right, it was them. I guess they had to learn a lesson somehow, too bad someone had to get hurt. Maybe I'm jumping to a conclusion in thinking that they learned their lessons. Probably not if he's asking how much your bike is. Maybe that one kid with all the money should buy them all a day of racing school or two. Oh well, woudn't mind picking up a wrecked 996 for cheap! I'll be keeping an eye on the classifieds. Jon Co >backroads" (Furnace Rd, Wolf Run Shoals, etc). After getting onto Old >Colchester Rd at Pohick Church I started making my way. After crossing onto >Furnace Rd at Rt1 (just north of the Occoquan Bridge) I made my way down past >the landfill thing maintaining a "spirited clip", at least considering that >the road was still a bit wet. For those of you who know these roads, there is >a downhill hairpin turn that usually has a bit of gravel in it from the gravel >dump trucks (its right before the Lorton Work Release house on the right). Ok >well enough geography. I approached this turn, slowed and came around. Lo >and behold, what did I see? Take a WILD guess! There was a crumpled green >ZX9 making love to the guard rail. I slowed and noticed a few kids standing >around and thought "No way, this cant be". I stopped and saw a red 996 and a >yellow 748. Yep, thats right, it was them. After chatting with them for a >few minutes I came to find out that they were going way too fast on this road >in the rain, didnt realize that corner was there and the green ZX9 didnt make >it with fresh tires and even fresher rain. The kid got lucky and was thrown >off. His legs got pretty rashed up but was lucky that thats all there was. >You should have seen the look on his face. That should put the fear of God in >him and the rest of them. They did NOT want this reported to the police as >none of the bikes were insured (I guess Colemans didnt ask) and only the kid >on the 996 had even a LICENSE to ride a motorcycle. I figured they may have >learned a lesson so I didnt call the cops about it. I mounted my TL and >started the motor and guess what? The kid who JUST CRASHED asked me "How much >did that bike cost?". JEEEZZZZ.....I told him to learn how to ride first, >then worry about prices. >So I guess whoever picked the green ZX9 wins the pool. On another side note, >the 996 already had a few nasty scratches in fairing like he dropped it a time >or two already. > >Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 19:05:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08481 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA25821 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14013 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IJHIa18628; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:58:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6abe9e92.36abb389@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:58:01 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Be on the lookout revisited.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/24/99 6:27:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << So I guess whoever picked the green ZX9 wins the pool. On another side note, the 996 already had a few nasty scratches in fairing like he dropped it a time or two already. >> Sounds bogus to me Jack. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 19:24:41 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08739 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-45-253.s253.tnt5.brd.erols.com [207.172.45.253]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA22426 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:24:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be47f9$0d5a40c0$fd2daccf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <104bafec.36abad61@aol.com> Not to defend Coleman's, but... Who's to say the sales people at Coleman's didn't try to talk them into different (safer, slower) bikes?? Perhaps yesterday or another, earlier date? It is NOT the salesman responsibility to judge who should or shouldn't buy a certain bike. The salesman can suggest and recommend, but if you got the urge and the money, it's yours. That's a free market. And I hope we all agree that WE are responsible for our own actions. It's a shame to see unfortunate consequences, but it's true. Maybe this little mishap will convince them to try a little education. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 19:31:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA08938 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26018 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14284 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00237 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id AAA11653; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:30:15 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.83]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125003028.KERV5654@toddnt>; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:30:28 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Leon Begeman" , Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:29:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be47f9$bfe57f70$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19990124152322.006aea00@illuminet.net> Importance: Normal My comments (should have elaborated) were mostly aimed at to Colemans being more concerned about the bottom dollar and Jacks statement that the dealers are unscrupulous. It's winter time and they probably appreciate the business, but at a minimum they could advise new meat of the dangers of starting on such powerful machines. Hey, we do it all the time right here on the list. Usually in response to someone (new) asking for advice. How did you get that I'd like to see individual freedoms restricted with agreeing with Jack? Jack never suggested anyone restrict someone elses rights or freedoms. I suppose if you were about to jump off a cliff without a parachute you'd consider me intrusive and a freedom stifler if I suggested you wear one, and maybe take a class on how to use it. C'mon Leon, lighten up man. Todd Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Now I'm curious. How would a libertarian implement such a policy without > restricting individual freedom? > > > > At 01:30 AM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Wow! My sentiments, more or less exactly! > > > >> In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >> wes@XXXXXX > >> writes: > >> > >> << This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has > >> recently passed away > >> but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three > buddies about > >> the same age. All first-time riders with little or no > experience and no > >> MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 > Ducati's. I > >> didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the > >> "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the > >> lookout for: >> > >> > >> Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell > >> anything to > >> anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have > >> made a SCENE > >> with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to > look out for > >> peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will > >> seriously hurt > >> themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with > them! Typical > >> Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill > >> definitely keep my eye out. > >> > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 19:41:31 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09040 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA28975; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:39:59 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.83]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125004037.KFAN5654@toddnt>; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:40:37 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:39:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be47fb$2a626f10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <7ac1c25e.36aba7f6@aol.com> Importance: Normal Let me just please go on record saying I do not believe a dealer should be made to direct new meat to the bitty machines in hopes of protecting them from themselves. Rings to smacking of cigarette smoking, drug use and all sorts of perceived social ills and the inane ways society attempts to save people from themselves (usually through political posturing and ultimately bad legislation). I worked part time as a salesperson for Fairfax Kawasaki, when they were around. I worked totally on commission as did every other salesperson. I would lend advice and information to new riders that typically landed a deal, though at a commission sacrifice. Other salespeople sold whatever, whenever to whomever. Is it right? I don't know, but it is the way these folks make a living. The problem I have with this attitude is that the dealer becomes seperated from the people they serve and eventually earn a reputation as a bunch of snakes, ala Coleman Powersports. Those bastards sell cars now! I don't see one thing wrong with counseling obvious new meat about the completely new experience they are about to have, and hopefully enjoy. Todd > So lets see, the goal is to prevent inexperienced riders from getting high > powered motorcycles. If that is correct then we need a what to do > that. Some > of have suggested that the salesman at that dealership should not > have sold > the bikes in question to the kids. on the face of it that seems like a > reasonable solution. But, lets look at how that salesman is paid. > Probably a > very small salary with the bulk of his income coming from commision. The > salesman didn't dream up the pay plan the owner/manager of the > dealership did. > So what several of you have suggested is that the salesman not be > able to pay > his bills next month so that he can counsel the customer to > prevent a wreck > in the making. If that is what we want then we should pay him > based on good > counseling and set up system to measure and reward that behavior. > I agree with your goals, but not with way you set out to attain them. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 19:50:45 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09268 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id AAA10857; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:46:49 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.175.83]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125004935.KFIQ5654@toddnt>; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:49:35 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Polar Bear Challenge Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:48:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be47fc$6b2c5230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <270e3c61.36aba9e2@aol.com> Importance: Normal I saw that article too. It sounds like a blast, but this coming weekend (Sun) is Tom and Jeannettes SB party, and Leon is hosting a ride around NOVA on some dirty back roads. Ahh, winter time and so many choices for the obssessed rider ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: McKeithen@XXXXXX [mailto:McKeithen@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 6:17 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Polar Bear Challenge > > > Any one on the list thinking about making the trip to Highland > county this > coming weekend? If the weather is at all helpful, I think I will go. > Interesting article in the Jan/Feb MC Times > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 20:08:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09505 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA26317 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA14766 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust033.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.33]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA18129; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:08:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990125010024.006c823c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:00:24 -0500 To: Elie Rosenblum , NJitzul@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: be on the lookout Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX May I suggest implementing this at 14 rather than 16. Otherwise a few may reap the rewards without passing the test. Finally a use for my tax dollars that makes sense. Leon. At 01:51 PM 1/24/99 -0500, Elie Rosenblum wrote: > >Oh, I dunno. You can also look at it as one small part of a self- >cleaning gene pool. > >A friend of mine had an interesting thought on the topic that some >people will probably appreciate - when every kid turns 16, give them >a free motorcycle, _with any engine they want_. The survivors are the >ones that get to breed. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 22:22:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11528 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27407 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16432 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21822; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:22:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000c01be4812$422b55a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:24:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I'll second that... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 >In a message dated 1/24/99 1:48:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, >shephar1@XXXXXX writes: > ><< >>Rule 3: You will not make 40 thousand dollars a year right > >> >>out of high school. You won't be a vice president with a car > >> >>phone until you earn both. >> > >Im sorry, not to brag or anything but this isnt necessarily true ;). Im 22 >(23 on wednesday) and make $48,000 per year... >Rule 3 should be amended to say "right out of high school unless you get into >the computer field"... > >Jack > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 22:31:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11702 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27528 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16625 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA25978; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:31:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002f01be4813$843fba20$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: , Subject: Re: be on the lookout Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:33:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This all must be something new because whenever I went in to Coleman to look at a bike(new or used) I was always asked about what I had been on previously and what my skill level was. Maybe these young guys who were purchasing bikes led the sales person to believe that they were better than they really were. It's unfortunate that they had to wreck the bike(s). I hope that they all learned a lesson with the one's mishap and I hope that when I'm on the road that I do not have to come upon an incident like that or even worse. -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 6:40 PM Subject: Re: be on the lookout >In a message dated 1/24/99 6:07:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< I see your points and concerns Jack, but I don't think the salesperson > has any responsibility to sell anyone a "safer" bike. People should be > responsible for their own actions. If someone wants to by an 1100 whatever > because they want it, no one should be able to tell them no. Who is the > ultimate judge of your skill level, riding style, etc.? Just because your > young doesn't mean you're unsafe, or you can't ride. I'm sure some of you > have met "older" riders that can be just as dangerous(a few come to mind). > Experience and skill level are not based on age. Does anyone think Nicky > Hayden(16) is unskilled? If you can't control what you do on a bike, that's > your fault. How is a salesperson suppose to judge if you can handle the > 1100 whatever or not? I don't think it's their call. If you've never > ridden a bike and go buy an 1100 whatever and think you can handle it, so be > it. Maybe that person will ride real slow and learn how to control it. > Maybe that person will be a squid and blast down the street and wreck. That > can happen on any bike. I think any bike can be dangerous, regardless of > size. Yeah, bigger bikes are easier to get into trouble with, but it's all > on the operator of the vehicle. The potential of danger is greater on the > bigger bike, but the person riding the bike is the most dangerous aspect, > regardless of what they are on. ZX-9, or EX-500, I don't think it's gonna > matter. > >> > >I was basing their skill levels on what was posted about them (and came to >find out later as you will read) that they had little to no riding experience >and no MSF class. Id be interested to see someone with neither mount a ZX9 >and operate it safely and effectively. Granted, its no ones JOB to shew them >away from the big bore bikes but its more of a civic and social responsibility >on the dealers part. I just think that its amazing that with all the people >who have to handle paperwork in the buying process (salesman, sales manager, >finance, service) that NO ONE stopped a said "Hey, whats wrong with this >picture!?!?". But like I said, its perfectly in line with Colemans >philosophy. >You are also correct in that the potential danger is _similar_ with a ZX9 or >an EX500. At the risk of getting back into the R1 thread again, a ZX9 will run >you into a wall ALOT faster than a EX500 will. If you twist the throttle the >same amount on each bike there is a _noticable_ difference in how fast the >bike goes. Each are dangerous and pose a threat but if thats the end-all then >why do most people start riding on 500s or 600s? Because the chance of doing >something stupid and paying a big price is smaller. > >Jack From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 22:35:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11801 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27575 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA16705 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:35:25 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GGICa03463; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:32:33 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:32:33 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/24/99 5:08:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX writes: << Do dealers check for a valid drivers lisence? >> Didn't check mine. They just required that I had insurance. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 22:37:50 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11821 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA28645 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:37:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990124221408.00947610@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:28:57 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: Responsibility (was Re: be on the lookout) In-Reply-To: <36AB559D.FA08E350@geocities.com> References: <000401be4763$17bfc210$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mmmm...I feel I should clarify a little on this, not as a justification but more as an explanation. A good friend of mine works @ CP/Woodbridge and I was in the back working on my own bike on Saturday. The pool was between me and a couple of non-sales staff. Since the kid bought 2 Ducatis, the "regular" mechanics were involved (apparently Ducati doesn't let anybody that hasn't gone through their training touch one of their bikes, even for prep at sale time). The kids were also hanging around waiting for the bikes to get prepped, and by the time an hour had passed pretty much everybody in the dealership knew what was going on with the 4 bike purchase. So no actual customers were in on our rather tacky joke about the crash pool. >What I thought was REALLY TACKY and unethical is starting up a "who'll >crash first" pot with other customers around to hear about it, and even >participate. pathetic! The guy in pre-delivery took his time getting the 2 Ninjas ready with the purpose of delaying the kids until the rain started. From what I understand, the kids made two trips in a pickup truck to get the bikes home because the bikes weren't ready before the rain started falling. I do think there is a bit of responsibility on the part of the salesman to try to get a person on a bike that fits them. However, it is January, and an admittedly slow month as far as motorcycle sales go, so perhaps the salesman was thinking more about the paycheck than anything else. Four bikes in one sale? I'd have been high-fiving somebody just knowing my rent was paid for next month. On the other hand, when somebody comes through the door -- whether or not they have a motorcycle license or not -- and says "I wanna buy a 900cc sportbike", what can you realistically do to deter them? Some people have the intelligence to realize that a 900cc crotch-rocket just *might* be the wrong bike to learn on. For instance, my friend Tom. Three years ago when he wanted to get back on a motorcycle (after a 10-year hiatus), he really wanted to buy a V-Max (1200cc). Thinking he might not be able to handle it, he bought a Honda Nighthawk (750cc) intstead. He rode the Nighthawk for a year, then traded it in for a V-Max. He used his innate sense of self-preservation to work his own step-up program. There's Karl, too, a lister here among us. He wanted a bike really bad, but didn't want one that would be too much for him to handle -- he went with a 500cc sportbike. Fortunately he had people like Tom and me around to help him, answer questions, make sure he got his "M" endorsement, that kind of thing. Unfortunately, he did have an accident and suffered a broken arm. I'm not saying that if he'd been riding a Super Bandit (1200cc) he would have perished in the accident, but you never know. Karl knew his limitations as a first-time rider and got a bike that fit his experience. peace out...for now... --w wes@XXXXXX http://shadow.newspeak.org/ '96 Honda Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 Honda CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 VJMC #1884 SCRC #11001 (VA State Officer) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 22:43:27 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11904 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11870 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:48:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990124223114.0094b710@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:43:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: Re: Appears off topic until #12 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990124161752.00c1da50@www.troutman.org> References: <002301be47c9$3bcde360$8372d9ce@uspppshephar1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You know, I don't *feel* like part of GenX. I did right up until they handed me that Master's degree that I worked my rather considerable ass off for. Now I look at the "Generation Y" kids that work around me and I feel like an adult...gads! At 16:23 24-01-99 , Mike T wrote: > > At 01:42 PM 1/24/99 -0500, Ken wrote: >> >> >> >>Charles Sykes is the author of DUMBING DOWN OUR KIDS. >> >> >>He volunteered for high school and college graduates a list of things >> >> >>they did not learn in school. >> >> > >> >> >In his book, he talks about how the >> >> >>liberal, feel good, politically correct garbage has created a >> >> >>generation of kids with no concept of reality and set them up for >> >> >>failure in the real world. >> >> >>Anyone who's supervised people from this generation will agree. > > > The problem I have with this, and any generalization, is that you have helped > to promote a stereotype of a generation. I am a part of genX as is Wes > (beginner of the "be on a lookout"thread). I am a network engineer...he has > his (masters?) degree in Hostory...working on his PHd I believe. Is that > what you picture as the typical genX kid? > > Just pisses me off a bit to be associated with the long gangsta pant wearing > pierced tongue freaks that were born just after I was. I don't know any > genX'ers in the working class that I would call slackers. In school is one > thing...working is another. But Im not going to bring up the 60's. :-) > > MT > > ______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > =================================== > No sig today..... > =================================== > DNRC member since '97 wes@XXXXXX http://shadow.newspeak.org/ '96 Honda Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 Honda CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 VJMC #1884 SCRC #11001 (VA State Officer) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 22:51:16 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com ([38.218.78.34]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12076 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA05368; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-70-244.s244.tnt11.brd.erols.com(207.172.70.244) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma005366; Sun, 24 Jan 99 22:50:16 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990124224922.048f7e70@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:50:03 -0500 To: wes fleming , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: Responsibility (was Re: be on the lookout) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990124221408.00947610@pop.rcn.com> References: <36AB559D.FA08E350@geocities.com> <000401be4763$17bfc210$d6f229a6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >For instance, my friend Tom. Three years ago when he wanted to get back on >a motorcycle (after a 10-year hiatus), he really wanted to buy a V-Max >(1200cc). Thinking he might not be able to handle it, he bought a Honda >Nighthawk (750cc) intstead. He rode the Nighthawk for a year, then traded >it in for a V-Max. He used his innate sense of self-preservation to work >his own step-up program. Wes - you didn't mention that Tom totalled that Nighthawk. Interesting side note anyways. ______________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org =================================== No sig today..... =================================== DNRC member since '97 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 23:00:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12275 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:00:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA27834 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.cw.net (pm01sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA16975 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup8.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.8]) by PM01SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33505) with SMTP id <0F63009AAKDWA6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 03:58:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:59:51 -0500 Subject: Re: be on the lookout To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <000e01be4817$2aebd9a0$084937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >In a message dated 1/24/99 5:08:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< Do dealers check for a valid drivers lisence? > >> > >Didn't check mine. They just required that I had insurance. > >Scooter And look what happened.......... 8^O Jon (zipping up my fire suite) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 23:01:31 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12278 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17836 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:07:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990124230056.009614f0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:02:11 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: Re: Responsibility (was Re: be on the lookout) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990124224922.048f7e70@www.troutman.org> References: <4.1.19990124221408.00947610@pop.rcn.com> <36AB559D.FA08E350@XXXXXX> <000401be4763$17bfc210$d6f229a6@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yeah...I did neglect that detail, didn't I? He hit an oil slick on a rainy day and lowsided into a tree. He hasn't wrecked the V-Max, though. Really. --w At 22:50 24-01-99 , you wrote: >>For instance, my friend Tom. Three years ago when he wanted to get back on >>a motorcycle (after a 10-year hiatus), he really wanted to buy a V-Max >>(1200cc). Thinking he might not be able to handle it, he bought a Honda >>Nighthawk (750cc) intstead. He rode the Nighthawk for a year, then traded >>it in for a V-Max. He used his innate sense of self-preservation to work >>his own step-up program. > >Wes - you didn't mention that Tom totalled that Nighthawk. > >Interesting side note anyways. > >______________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > >=================================== >No sig today..... >=================================== >DNRC member since '97 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 23:12:42 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12455 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:12:40 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UXBa019751 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:09:03 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1857d09c.36abee5f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:09:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat preachy, but read it) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I feel that it's not the saleperson's resposibility to judge who should or should not be buying which motorcycle. His responsibility is to himself to make money for he and anyone else who is dependant upon him. It is not the System's fault for not regulating at what age and skill level one may ride which motorcycle. It is the individual upon whom all weight if born. There is an increasing trend in American society towards a distinct lack of accountability. The 80's was the "Me Decade", and I think it fairly appropriate to call the 90's the "Not Me" generation. It's never the fault of the individual, it's always the other guy. Take into consideration the latest lawsuit du jour. Certain law firms are soliciting other firms for funding, to support their research into litigation against handgun manufacturers. (The investing firms later get a cut of whatever dividends might be gained. This same action is what led to the Tobacco company suits; they were not initiated by the states, but by several firms banding together against the tobacco companies.) A woman is suing a gun manufacturer because her son was shot by another child. It is not the fault of the child who did the shooting, who was old enough to know right from wrong and to refrain from playing with guns. It was not the fault of the parent who left the gun where a child had access to it. It was not the fault of the gentleman who sold the gun illegally to the parent from the trunk of his car. No, it's the fault of Smith & Wesson, or Sturm Ruger, or Glock, because they made the gun. Guns have many practical purposes. For pleasure and sporting, for hunting, for self defense. The first guns we conceived of and built to kill. There's no denying this, and this is certainly not any new and astounding revelation. The fact that people would blame violence on an inanimate piece of machined metal is ridiculous. If guns were to stripped from the face of the earth tomorrow, would violence end? No, but there would be legislation next week to keep Louisville Sluggers under 21", I'm sure. (Sorry, I'm getting off track....bet you can't guess where my opinions on gun control lie.) The United States had turned fully away from such days when "The buck stops here" was a commonly heard expression. Looks at the President. Great example we have there. I'm not saying I'm perfectly honest and upstanding. I don't think anyone can be, but people could at least own up to their actions. I think President Clinton would be in a lot better shape if he had come out, openly and honestly from the get-go. Anywho, that's my $.02 worth. (Sorry....been awhile since I wrote and impromptu essay....) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 23:18:56 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12553 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DCKPa27784 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:17:35 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <88d7459e.36abf05f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:17:35 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 As a food & beverage sales consultant, (waiter), am I obligated to steer overweight people from Four cheeze tortolloni with fried potatoes, to the steamed asparagus? Should I suggest the child not order the spaghetti bolognese because it's messy, and maybe they'd like some rigatoni noodles with no sauce? Where's the 'independant thought' here, the assumed-pre-requisite- intelligence-needed-for-survival? People don't need me to tell them how to run their lives. Hopefully, people won't tell me how to run mine. * - See 'accountability rant' for more -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 23:36:55 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA12892 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27764 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:42:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990124233508.00963800@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:37:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: Re: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat preachy, but read it) In-Reply-To: <1857d09c.36abee5f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is because people don't want to believe that something going horribly wrong (like a child dying) could be their fault or at the very least, could have been prevented. When people start taking responsibility for their own lives, then stupid crap like this will stop...or at least slow down. > It was not the fault of the parent who left the gun where a child had access to >it. It was not the fault of the gentleman who sold the gun illegally to the >parent from the trunk of his car. No, it's the fault of Smith & Wesson, or >Sturm Ruger, or Glock, because they made the gun. wes@XXXXXX http://shadow.newspeak.org/ '96 Honda Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 Honda CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 VJMC #1884 SCRC #11001 (VA State Officer) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 24 23:45:06 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13062 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup8.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.8]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F6300JR0MI2PQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 04:44:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:44:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat preachy,but read it) To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002701be481d$69a7ab00$084937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal <<< No, it's the fault of Smith & Wesson, or >Sturm Ruger, or Glock, because they made the gun. Guns have many practical >purposes. For pleasure and sporting, for hunting, for self defense. The first >guns we conceived of and built to kill. There's no denying this, and this is >certainly not any new and astounding revelation. The fact that people would >blame violence on an inanimate piece of machined metal is ridiculous. >-Sean Jordan Sounds like you should talk to my dad's cousin - Sen. Charles Schumer!!! Too bad I don't agree with his stance....... Jon (broke relative of a Senator) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 00:07:20 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13441 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-111-202.s202.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.202]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21765 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:07:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AC25CB.61E5@erols.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:05:31 -0800 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Impact Wrench Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk wrote: >Put the bike in a high gear, stand on the rear brake, and then turn the >bolt/nut. No special tool needed. >Kirk ehh....too late - the springs are already out and so the clutch isn't holding anything really - spinning freely! Thanks though... Niv From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 00:17:01 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13601 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:16:59 -0500 (EST) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-111-202.s202.tnt1.ann.erols.com [207.172.111.202]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23415 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:16:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AC27AE.9D3@erols.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:13:34 -0800 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Impact Wrench Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott wrote: >You can get an impact tool for about 20 bucks from sears. While these >methods do work, the impact tool is useful on quite a few jobs, esp >tight >phillips head screws and small allen heads. It will break them free >WITHOUT >stripping. (Most of the time.) You also need a hammer, not the normal >nail >hammer, a heavy one, like 10lbs. So add another 10 bucks onto this. u dont mean an electric impact wrench do u ? Thats really what i would like - but the idea has lots of merit nonetheless...maybe tomorrow ! Niv DR650 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 00:18:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13618 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA29527 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA18186 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:18:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.reliacom.com (enterprise.reliacom.com [151.200.65.161]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA01530 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by ENTERPRISE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:18:53 -0500 Message-ID: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A591101306F2@ENTERPRISE> From: Scot Kight To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:18:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" When I was at coleman's last year before the R-1 came out, a saleman said he had sold 10 of them. He joked that he figured 7 of them would be dead before the end of the year. I still think everyone (and I do mean Everyone!) should ride a motorcycle for a year. Imagine the incredible reduction of stupid people on the roadways!@! Scot J/K.. well.. maybe ;> -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 7:29 PM To: Leon Begeman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: be on the lookout My comments (should have elaborated) were mostly aimed at to Colemans being more concerned about the bottom dollar and Jacks statement that the dealers are unscrupulous. It's winter time and they probably appreciate the business, but at a minimum they could advise new meat of the dangers of starting on such powerful machines. Hey, we do it all the time right here on the list. Usually in response to someone (new) asking for advice. How did you get that I'd like to see individual freedoms restricted with agreeing with Jack? Jack never suggested anyone restrict someone elses rights or freedoms. I suppose if you were about to jump off a cliff without a parachute you'd consider me intrusive and a freedom stifler if I suggested you wear one, and maybe take a class on how to use it. C'mon Leon, lighten up man. Todd Leon Begeman wrote: > > > Now I'm curious. How would a libertarian implement such a policy without > restricting individual freedom? > > > > At 01:30 AM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Wow! My sentiments, more or less exactly! > > > >> In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, > >> wes@XXXXXX > >> writes: > >> > >> << This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has > >> recently passed away > >> but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three > buddies about > >> the same age. All first-time riders with little or no > experience and no > >> MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 > Ducati's. I > >> didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the > >> "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the > >> lookout for: >> > >> > >> Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell > >> anything to > >> anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have > >> made a SCENE > >> with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to > look out for > >> peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will > >> seriously hurt > >> themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with > them! Typical > >> Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill > >> definitely keep my eye out. > >> > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 01:07:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14456 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00033 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18757 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:04:09 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Be on the lookout revisited.... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:10:19 -0500 Message-ID: <018601be4829$6292cf00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Dude, you have to be sh!tting us! No way this is for real. That'll teach you to ride without a camera if you are serious... ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 01:15:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14635 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00094 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18851 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01881 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:11:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Scot Kight" , Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:18:02 -0500 Message-ID: <018701be482a$766c7c00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <1FEC5DA89BADD1118007006008A591101306F2@ENTERPRISE> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > I still think everyone (and I do mean Everyone!) should ride a motorcycle > for a year. Imagine the incredible reduction of stupid people on the > roadways!@! And, as some have hinted, even more importantly, fewer stupid people in maternity wards. Hell, if I could 'sacrifice' a few Waldorf drivers, I'd even volunteer a bike or two to the cause. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 01:17:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14645 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00106 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18868 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:13:34 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Where's the pictures? Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: <018801be482a$b38337a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hey, Scooter, it's been a week. Where are the pics from the NY trip?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 01:44:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15048 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00317 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:44:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA19141 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:44:19 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4SEIa03211 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:43:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:43:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: On the lookout... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Its ok if no one believes me...hell, I didnt believe it at first...what are the odds? To be honest, I didnt expect anyone to believe it anyway. Oh well, they didnt believe Columbus either ;). Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 01:51:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15212 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA00378 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA19233 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UGVNa04794 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:50:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7cc297f3.36ac142a@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:50:18 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout - fatty foods Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/24/99 11:25:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: << As a food & beverage sales consultant, (waiter), am I obligated to steer overweight people from Four cheeze tortolloni with fried potatoes, to the steamed asparagus? >> Ive never seen Four Cheese Pasta kill somebody by throwing them through a car (or a guard rail). Thats mixing apples and oranges. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 07:12:00 1999 Return-Path: berman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (berman@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21405 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (berman@localhost) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA21984; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:11:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles , GPz Mailing List Subject: Bike back on the Street Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some of you may remember a similar announcement about 2.5 months ago. After reconstructing the clutch, I put it back on the street to realize that I should really clean out the oil pan. When I dropped the pan, I found oil that resembled spaghetti sauce with meat. There were many, many chunks of clutch springs in there, with a whole bunch of little metal bits. I finally got it all cleaned out and finally received the new O-rings and gaskets from Koups. I finished reassembling last week, and got to start her up. Sunday I was able to take her out on the road! Having only been on the 650 since July (when the GPz's clutch 1st disintegrated), I forgot how much fun the 1100 was. I had great trouble with my helmet being too small for my smile. I almost forgot the handling differences (even ignoring the horsepower/torque). Once again, it feels great to be back on my favorite ride. -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL (DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C) #446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 08:02:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22201 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB786AA0266; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125075431.00fc79e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:56:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Neat pic In-Reply-To: References: <3772044b.36a8ffa8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:34 PM 1/22/99 , you wrote: >On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >> << http://www.amasuperbike.com/lagtest99/lag2f.jpg >> >> >> wheewww... that brought back memories of the ol' high side I experienced a >> couple weeks ago.... > >The guy in the pic isn't crashing. He's applying dirt track style >techniques to road racing. Fast Freddie's school (mucho $$$) has a dirt >track component to get students involved in that sort of riding... Maybe >someday when the $$$ and time come together I'll head out to Vegas to >really learn to do that myself. >Kirk I still have a picture of Freddie Spencer sliding the FRONT wheel, back in his heyday. Black stripe on the pavement right up to the contact patch, bike balanced well and leaned over in the turn, Freddie looking through the turn - I guess just waiting for the right moment to crack open the throttle. Mighty impressive. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 08:03:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22209 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03857 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA25234 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB7A6AA0266; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:50 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125080153.00ffa5a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:06:48 -0500 To: MJordan666@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: be on the lookout In-Reply-To: <9b01b014.36ab499f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:26 AM 1/24/99 , MJordan666@XXXXXX wrote: >Kinda makes a good case for graduated licenses like most of the European >countries have. >Michael J. It does, but there's little evidence that graduated licenses reduce wrecks, and there's lots of evidence that they don't work. At the 1990 International Motorcycle Safety Conference I heard several presentations about countries with graduated licensing programs, and either they didn't reduce wrecks or the effect was so small as be down in the noise. Basically, a person who will ride stupid, will ride stupid on whatever they've got -- sportbike, cruiser, dirt bike, mini-bike, moped -- whatever. Since the more powerful bikes are generally more expensive (and have more expensive insurance, especially for young riders) there is a natural limiting effect keeping younger riders off powerfull bikes ... generally. I don't know what the answer(s) is ... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 08:02:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22204 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03852 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA25228 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB756AA0266; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:48 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125075812.00fed9e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:59:13 -0500 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: be on the lookout In-Reply-To: <00fe01be4766$f6573820$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:58 AM 1/24/99 , George Howell wrote: >http://www.activebike.com/index/features/market/market.html > >No comments about what is contained in the article, but it is on point. >(FWIW, I agree with you that dealers who sell Blades to newbies should be >castrated) >-George Howell What verification should the dealers use to determine if a person is a "newbie" or not? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 08:03:00 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA22208 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03856 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA25232 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB796AA0266; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:02:49 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125080013.00fe8600@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:01:41 -0500 To: NJitzul@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: be on the lookout In-Reply-To: <979318b.36ab4327@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:58 AM 1/24/99 , NJitzul@XXXXXX wrote: >I think the point is that steps should be taken to insure that a beginner >doesn't get in over their head, not that there should be a law against it. Name some of the steps. >I'm not saying that kid was getting his first bike, but I do >think dealers have some responsibility to the general public to monitor >situations to keep a potentially hazardous situation from occuring. They can >at least recommend a smaller bike and point out the wisedom behind it. Okay, that sounds good. Then the buyer says "That's fine, and I want that 1000cc sportbike over there." Now what? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 09:37:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23743 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:37:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04950 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:37:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27219 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:37:39 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BMSFa15297 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:36:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:36:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/24/99 10:40:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: > << Do dealers check for a valid drivers lisence? > >> > > Didn't check mine. They just required that I had insurance. I bought mine USED and the guy made me show him my drivers license ...... now THERE's responsibility :D -Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:12:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24303 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05655 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28463 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA07401; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:13:30 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F64009DUFMKP6@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256704.0053572B ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:10:18 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:15:58 -0500 Subject: Re: be on the lookout To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256704.004E237C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL OK ... I'm hopping in the pool ... Jack & others, To imply that a dealer should assume responsibility for what they sell is asinine. First, we live in a free market economy, and until we pass a graduated license system in the US (which I support), people are enititled ot purchase whatever they please. Second, to hold dealers liable for their sales, would cause them to have to carry huge insurance policies. Then (suprise, suprise) that cost gets passed on to me as a consumer and I pay through the nose for an idiotic 18 year old. Since I like buying new bikes, No thanks! Third, do not make the assumption that the more expensive the bike the better the margin. Just because a ZX-9 sells for 10k does not necessarily mean they make more profit on it than a 5k Bandit. Fourth, I do not believe that we in the motorccling community should make it our policy to "assume" the responsibility for all other motorcyclists. Let's face it there are irresponsible morons in our sport/hobby/lifestyle also, and while I will go to great lengths to help fellow motorcyclists in any way I can, I am NOT responsible for them morally or financially. Don't mean to sound cold, chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Date: 01/24/99 07:05:44 PM GMT Subject: Re: be on the lookout In a message dated 1/24/99 1:56:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, alexm@XXXXXX writes: << Raises the question of who's job it is to keep yourself alive.. I kinda think its your own. I have to agree with how you feel - that it is silly and dangerous for them to have motorcycles.. but at the same time, people have to be allowed to do what they want with their lives.. and if they have a deathwish, so be it.. Certainly, the counter-argument is that if they plow into a family of 6.. they aren't just affecting themselves.. but that is a choice and risk that they have to make. I really can't say I blame the salesman - if he had said no, they would have smiply gone elsewhere. >> Maybe so. But I also believe that as the salesman its his responsibility to look out for safety. He could have very easily led the kids over to the used bikes section. When I was there on Wednesday they had Katanas, F3s, etc that those kids would have been perfectly happy. Wouldnt surprise me, knowing Colemans if they LED the kids over to the ZX9, Ducs, etc so they can make the most $$ possible. It wouldnt surprise me at all. Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:13:37 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24316 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA18918; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:12:25 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125151304.LUMZ5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:13:04 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "wes fleming" , Subject: RE: Appears off topic until #12 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:12:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be4875$1204cab0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990124223114.0094b710@pop.rcn.com> Importance: Normal Yeah, just wait a couple more years young man! ;) I still remember everyone at an office I worked and pointing to me enviously for my 23 years. Now I'm 36, and all I see are a bunch of young snots ;) Todd Wes Fleming wrote: > > You know, I don't *feel* like part of GenX. I did right up until > they handed > me that Master's degree that I worked my rather considerable ass > off for. Now > I look at the "Generation Y" kids that work around me and I feel like an > adult...gads! > > At 16:23 24-01-99 , Mike T wrote: > > > > At 01:42 PM 1/24/99 -0500, Ken wrote: > >> > >> >> >>Charles Sykes is the author of DUMBING DOWN OUR KIDS. > >> >> >>He volunteered for high school and college graduates a From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:25:18 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24512 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s42.wizard.net [206.161.15.118]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA31769 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:25:09 -0500 Message-ID: <006d01be4878$14a537c0$390fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" Subject: Easy to load trailers Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:33:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 While researching motorcycle trailers on the 'net I came across an interesting design where the rail cranks down to ground level to make loading very easy. Maybe even easy enough for me to be able to load/unload my GPZ by myself. Here is a website address that shows one such design: http://www.jwww.com/farmer.htm I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a trailer similar to this locally (like at a trailer dealer). Thanks! Anita PS - I know, why would you tow a bike? Well, I'm go on vacation a couple times a year with my two dogs and thought it would be nice to take the bike with me. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:27:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24586 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05874 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA28874 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:27:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990125152709.8940.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:27:08 PST Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 07:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: be on the lookout To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, WantAZX6@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well put chris, and IMHO I don't want to pay any more to support programs for them either. Hey at the rate some of us are going it will be a new bike every yeqar and a half...heheheheh the temp is just right...not to hot, not to cold. ---christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > OK ... I'm hopping in the pool ... > > Jack & others, > > To imply that a dealer should assume responsibility for what they sell is > asinine. > > First, we live in a free market economy, and until we pass a graduated > license system in the US (which I support), people are enititled ot > purchase whatever they please. > > Second, to hold dealers liable for their sales, would cause them to have to > carry huge insurance policies. Then (suprise, suprise) that cost gets > passed on to me as a consumer and I pay through the nose for an idiotic 18 > year old. Since I like buying new bikes, No thanks! > > Third, do not make the assumption that the more expensive the bike the > better the margin. Just because a ZX-9 sells for 10k does not necessarily > mean they make more profit on it than a 5k Bandit. > > Fourth, I do not believe that we in the motorccling community should make > it our policy to "assume" the responsibility for all other motorcyclists. > Let's face it there are irresponsible morons in our sport/hobby/lifestyle > also, and while I will go to great lengths to help fellow motorcyclists in > any way I can, I am NOT responsible for them morally or financially. > > Don't mean to sound cold, > chris > > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > cc: > From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX > Date: 01/24/99 07:05:44 PM GMT > Subject: Re: be on the lookout > > > > > In a message dated 1/24/99 1:56:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, > alexm@XXXXXX > writes: > > << Raises the question of who's job it is to keep yourself alive.. I kinda > think its your own. I have to agree with how you feel - that it is silly > and dangerous for them to have motorcycles.. but at the same time, people > have to be allowed to do what they want with their lives.. and if they > have a deathwish, so be it.. Certainly, the counter-argument is that > if they plow into a family of 6.. they aren't just affecting themselves.. > but that is a choice and risk that they have to make. I really can't say > I blame the salesman - if he had said no, they would have smiply gone > elsewhere. >> > > Maybe so. But I also believe that as the salesman its his responsibility > to > look out for safety. He could have very easily led the kids over to the > used > bikes section. When I was there on Wednesday they had Katanas, F3s, etc > that > those kids would have been perfectly happy. Wouldnt surprise me, knowing > Colemans if they LED the kids over to the ZX9, Ducs, etc so they can make > the > most $$ possible. It wouldnt surprise me at all. > > Jack > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:30:57 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24671 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA16728; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:32:23 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6400EUCGFWET@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256704.0054F6A8 ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:27:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:58:59 -0500 Subject: re: be on the lookout To: Eternity23@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256704.00522C42.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL That's a rather outlandish example Sean ... so let's try a more realistic one. As a beverage sales consultant, should you not bring a patron his fifth Vodka tonic if he is visibly impaired? And if you do, can his family sue you in a class action suit after he wraps his cage/bike around a tree? --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Date: 01/25/99 04:17:35 AM GMT Subject: re: be on the lookout As a food & beverage sales consultant, (waiter), am I obligated to steer overweight people from Four cheeze tortolloni with fried potatoes, to the steamed asparagus? Should I suggest the child not order the spaghetti bolognese because it's messy, and maybe they'd like some rigatoni noodles with no sauce? Where's the 'independant thought' here, the assumed-pre-requisite- intelligence-needed-for-survival? People don't need me to tell them how to run their lives. Hopefully, people won't tell me how to run mine. * - See 'accountability rant' for more -Sean Jordan ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:31:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24675 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05955 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA28985 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:31:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA08514; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:30:46 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125153101.LXWO5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:31:01 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: A&O was: On the lookout... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:30:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be4877$94251980$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Apples and oranges > Its ok if no one believes me...hell, I didnt believe it at > first...what are > the odds? > To be honest, I didnt expect anyone to believe it anyway. > Oh well, they didnt believe Columbus either ;). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:31:48 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24677 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA05500; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:28:14 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125153100.LXWM5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:31:00 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat preachy, but read it) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:30:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be4877$93a03210$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <1857d09c.36abee5f@aol.com> Importance: Normal Sean Jordan ranted;) > I feel that it's not the saleperson's resposibility to judge who should or > should not be buying which motorcycle. His responsibility is to himself to > make money for he and anyone else who is dependant upon him. It is not the > System's fault for not regulating at what age and skill level one may ride > which motorcycle. It is the individual upon whom all weight if > born. There is > an increasing trend in American society towards a distinct lack of > accountability. Certain law firms are soliciting other firms for > funding, to > support their research into litigation against handgun manufacturers. It's not just certain law firms soliciting funding for this second wave of litigeous lunacy, it's a whole host of them organized by one Wendell Gauthier. You can read all about this sickening sum of events here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-01/05/096l-010599-idx.html Ok now, about whose responsibility it is in terms of accountability. You'll get no argument from me that each individual, of sound mind, is responsible for his/her actions and decisions. But just what the hell is wrong with suggesting that an obvious new rider might start on something that won't intimidate, break the bank, and cost a hell of a lot of money for insurance to boot. Is there something wrong with suggesting to said new rider that he/she take an MSF course for the purpose of understanding the rules of the road and just what they're getting in for? Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:34:00 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24711 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:33:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD8F7AE0154; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:28:15 EST Message-ID: <36AC8EA1.DE9C2096@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:32:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Polar Bear Challenge References: <270e3c61.36aba9e2@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw the same article, decided to go check it out a week early. I've got other plans for this weekend, though. :) I rode out to Monterey, in Highland Co. on Sunday. Rte 250 looks really good on a map, but the pavement is less than perfect (sigh.) Somebody call me when they repave that sucker, because then it would be an awesome road. It was starting to get late (4pm) when I got to Monterey, I was gonna continue on 250 into WV and Rt 28, but took the shortcut home - it turned out to be the best road on the whole trip. Rt. 220 Northwest out of Monterey is a fun road, and it comes out on 33, another nice one. Anyway, I got home around 8pm last night, cold, tired, and in trouble for staying out so late. :) 370 miles for the trip. McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > Any one on the list thinking about making the trip to Highland county this > coming weekend? If the weather is at all helpful, I think I will go. > Interesting article in the Jan/Feb MC Times -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:47:02 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24990 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17970 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:46:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:46:55 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Polar Bear Challenge In-Reply-To: <36AC8EA1.DE9C2096@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > I rode out to Monterey, in Highland Co. on Sunday. Rte 250 > looks really good on a map, but the pavement is less than > perfect (sigh.) Somebody call me when they repave that sucker, > because then it would be an awesome road. Dale, Part of the fun of 250 is the condition of the pavement! While I don't like riding there right after they put fresh tar/gravel down and while there are times I'd like a smooth road surface it's still a really fun road and one of my "local" favorites. There are plenty of roads out there with corners and smooth tarmac, 250 gives you some variety from those run of the mill smoothies. Celebrate the difference and the rounded set of skills such differences develop. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:47:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24993 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06146 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29487 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02219; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:48:52 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC94E@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Todd Peer'" , WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: A&O was: On the lookout... Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:48:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I know it's a waste of bandwidth, BUT....ROTFLMAO right now!! he he he On Monday, January 25, 1999 10:42 AM, Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] wrote: > Apples and oranges From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:51:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25079 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06261 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29641 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1KLWa27768 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:50:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:50:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/25/99 10:27:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX writes: << Well put chris, and IMHO I don't want to pay any more to support programs for them either. Hey at the rate some of us are going it will be a new bike every yeqar and a half...heheheheh >> Yeah, you are right on pace for that one, aye? Did you buy back your TL from the insurance co.? Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:54:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25092 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06297 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29729 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA08907; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:53:00 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125155338.MCKP5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:53:38 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:52:40 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be487a$bcd66610$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <85256704.004E237C.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal Chris Meier wrote: > Third, do not make the assumption that the more expensive the bike the > better the margin. Just because a ZX-9 sells for 10k does not necessarily > mean they make more profit on it than a 5k Bandit. Ummmm, generally speaking the bigger bore machines carry the better margin. Every once in awhile a smaller machine will produce a better commission, but usually because they become a rarity or the dealer offers incentive to the sales crew to get rid of it. In my experience, the best margin was on used (traded in) whatever. I still remember the day we took a 750CC Shadow and I sold it for $500 more than we paid. Very nice! Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 10:54:12 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25089 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:54:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA23523; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:50:53 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125155339.MCKR5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:53:39 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc'" Subject: RE: Easy to load trailers Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:52:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be487a$bd7fec80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <006d01be4878$14a537c0$390fa1ce@anita> Importance: Normal There was/is a company called EZ-Hauler that sells a similar product for about $750. The web-page bookmark I have no longer works, so If someone else has it please pass it on. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:34 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: Easy to load trailers > > > While researching motorcycle trailers on the 'net I came across an > interesting design where the rail cranks down to ground level to make > loading very easy. Maybe even easy enough for me to be able to > load/unload > my GPZ by myself. Here is a website address that shows one such design: > > http://www.jwww.com/farmer.htm > > I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a trailer similar to this locally > (like at a trailer dealer). Thanks! > > Anita > > PS - I know, why would you tow a bike? Well, I'm go on vacation a couple > times a year with my two dogs and thought it would be nice to > take the bike > with me. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 11:01:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25287 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06395 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29985 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:01:42 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OSREa05514 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:01:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:01:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: A&O was: On the lookout... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/25/99 10:46:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, cfagan@XXXXXX writes: << I know it's a waste of bandwidth, BUT....ROTFLMAO right now!! he he he >> Sarcasm my good man, sarcasm.... Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 11:10:27 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25391 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13378 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:10:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:07:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Easy to load trailers In-Reply-To: <006d01be4878$14a537c0$390fa1ce@anita> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know dogs enjoy hanging their heads out the window, but I really don't think they like it that much that they'd want to ride your bike on a trailer. :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Anita Lauro wrote: > While researching motorcycle trailers on the 'net I came across an > interesting design where the rail cranks down to ground level to make > loading very easy. Maybe even easy enough for me to be able to load/unload > my GPZ by myself. Here is a website address that shows one such design: > > http://www.jwww.com/farmer.htm > > I was wondering if anyone has ever seen a trailer similar to this locally > (like at a trailer dealer). Thanks! > > Anita > > PS - I know, why would you tow a bike? Well, I'm go on vacation a couple > times a year with my two dogs and thought it would be nice to take the bike > with me. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 11:11:57 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA25394 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A68D210280; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:06:37 EST Message-ID: <36AC979F.39A26E30@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:11:11 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Polar Bear Challenge References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Dale, > > Part of the fun of 250 is the condition of the pavement! While I don't > like riding there right after they put fresh tar/gravel down and while > there are times Melting snow like I saw yesterday is not loads of fun either. :) > There are plenty of roads out there with corners and smooth tarmac, Of which 220 was one. It was wonderful. Made the trip worthwhile, for me. 250 didn't. My opinion, humbly posted for all to see. :) > 250 gives you some variety from those run of the mill smoothies. > Celebrate the difference and the rounded set of skills such > differences develop. Hey, Glenn can complain about gravel in the corners in WVA, so I'm allowed to complain about the pavement. :) FWIW, I didn't get to check out 250 on the far side of Monterey, the pavement did improve considerably as I got close to town. It's definitely worth another trip back out there to investigate this Spring. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 11:15:56 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25576 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:58:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Polar Bear Challenge Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 10:58:41 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Dale, where have you been? A bunch of us ride those roads all summer long. Those are some of the best roads in the mid-Atlantic IMO. Glenn > I rode out to Monterey, in Highland Co. on Sunday. Rte 250 > looks really good on a map, but the pavement is less than > perfect (sigh.) Somebody call me when they repave that sucker, > because then it would be an awesome road. > > It was starting to get late (4pm) when I got to Monterey, I was > gonna continue on 250 into WV and Rt 28, but took the shortcut > home - it turned out to be the best road on the whole trip. Rt. 220 > Northwest out of Monterey is a fun road, and it comes out on 33, > another nice one. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 11:16:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25579 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06589 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA00573 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:16:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat prea chy, but read it) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:16:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Even though the article says this group of lawyers will not go after the alcohol industry, I can almost guarantee that they will once political correctness comes into play. Smoking and tobacco use was socially acceptable until about 20 years ago. Once groups such as Mothers Against Drunk Driving get the issue more in the public eye, all bets are off. Statistics show that drunken driving, which kills more Americans annually than died during Vietnam, kills more people than guns do (I know guns don't kill people -- people do), and alcohol is involved in more than 50 percent of gun-related violence. The statistics are too readily available to be ignored. These attorneys have discovered a money train, and they will look for another once this ride is complete. Think about it this way: Many states have enacted laws that prosecute parents who leave their firearms unlocked and within easy reach of children. What about those parents who don't lock their liquor cabinets and Junior drinks himself to death? Some states call that negligence too, but that type of prosecution is not as widespread as the firearms-related laws. Stand by, though; the alcohol industry probably has deeper pockets than tobacco and guns combined. Again, this goes to the argument, "I'm not to blame for my own actions; it's always someone else's fault." If I use a product that I know can hurt me and others, and in fact does hurt me and others, it's the product's fault. I'm sure I didn't do anything wrong. Mitch (back to lurk mode) -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:30 AM To: Eternity23@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat preachy, but read it) Sean Jordan ranted;) > I feel that it's not the saleperson's resposibility to judge who should or > should not be buying which motorcycle. His responsibility is to himself to > make money for he and anyone else who is dependant upon him. It is not the > System's fault for not regulating at what age and skill level one may ride > which motorcycle. It is the individual upon whom all weight if > born. There is > an increasing trend in American society towards a distinct lack of > accountability. Certain law firms are soliciting other firms for > funding, to > support their research into litigation against handgun manufacturers. It's not just certain law firms soliciting funding for this second wave of litigeous lunacy, it's a whole host of them organized by one Wendell Gauthier. You can read all about this sickening sum of events here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-01/05/096l-010599-idx.html Ok now, about whose responsibility it is in terms of accountability. You'll get no argument from me that each individual, of sound mind, is responsible for his/her actions and decisions. But just what the hell is wrong with suggesting that an obvious new rider might start on something that won't intimidate, break the bank, and cost a hell of a lot of money for insurance to boot. Is there something wrong with suggesting to said new rider that he/she take an MSF course for the purpose of understanding the rules of the road and just what they're getting in for? Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 11:36:39 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25921 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06553; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:36:13 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC958@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Dale Horstman'" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Polar Bear Challenge Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:36:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain yes Dale.... You HAVe to get farther west... The road is much better on the W by god V side of Monterey.... The only thing I am not a big fan of on 250 is the seriously high "berms" in the transition from turn to turn...if you go at "plaid speed" through there, the humps have a tendency to get the front wheel in the air and you have to do the transition on one wheel... 33 on the WV side is great as well, but they had lots of construction stuff up there this past summer making changes..not sure what the new layout will be... GRRRR WHEN WILL THE WARM WEATHER GET HERE!!!! I WANNA DO A NICE 600 MILER OUT TO WV OR OH!!! From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 11:39:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA25936 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:39:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06994 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01555 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:39:01 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA21274; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:40:32 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F640077BJNJ8I@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256704.005B4D8A ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:37:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:37:00 -0500 Subject: RE: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat prea chy, but read it) To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Message-id: <85256704.005B0C97.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Absolutely not. The problem is when you hold the salesperson responsible/accountable for the new rider's own decision to buy a bike over their head. --chris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer [mailto:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:30 AM To: Eternity23@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Accountability...was - Be on the lookout (long, somewhat preachy, but read it) --snip-- Is there something wrong with suggesting to said new rider that he/she take an MSF course for the purpose of understanding the rules of the road and just what they're getting in for? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:01:08 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26358 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc3-s25.wizard.net [206.161.15.147]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09166; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01be4884$cfa91440$930fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Cc: Subject: Re: Polar Bear Challenge Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:04:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: Fagan, Collin LT To: 'Dale Horstman' Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:41 AM Subject: RE: Polar Bear Challenge >GRRRR WHEN WILL THE WARM WEATHER GET HERE!!!! I WANNA DO A >NICE 600 MILER OUT TO WV OR OH!!! Sign me up! :-) But maybe not 600 miles in one day... how about a nice weekend trip with 300 or so miles each way? Anita '96 GPZ1100 (feeling neglected while Anita drowns under year-end accounting sh*t) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:00:31 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26345 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc3-s25.wizard.net [206.161.15.147]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09594; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:00:26 -0500 Message-ID: <004701be4885$64180aa0$930fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Todd Peer" , "'dc'" Subject: Re: Easy to load trailers Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:08:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Thanks! I'll continue my search! $750 is a great deal compared to $1295. BTW, here is what happens if you don't pay your Internet provider: http://www.activeweb.net/motorcycletrailers/ Oops! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:16:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26652 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA07646 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03901 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:16:33 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ONDGa23166 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:14:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9ace1a4c.36aca680@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:14:40 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Polar Bear Challenge - National Biker Sick Day? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Umm, Wednesday is supposed to be clear, sunny and in the 60s. How about a national (or at least DC cycles) Biker Call In Sick Day? Im up for it if anyone else is... Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:43:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27161 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD4254A026A; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125123424.0100c980@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:34:44 -0500 To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Easy to load trailers In-Reply-To: <006d01be4878$14a537c0$390fa1ce@anita> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:33 AM 1/25/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >PS - I know, why would you tow a bike? Well, I'm go on vacation a couple >times a year with my two dogs and thought it would be nice to take the bike >with me. Put them in the sidecar. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:43:56 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27163 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD4754A026A; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125124218.018f1210@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:57 -0500 To: Morris Berman , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Easy to load trailers In-Reply-To: References: <006d01be4878$14a537c0$390fa1ce@anita> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:07 AM 1/25/99 , Morris Berman wrote: >I know dogs enjoy hanging their heads out the window, but I really don't >think they like it that much that they'd want to ride your bike on a >trailer. :-) >-Mb I have a 41KB jpg photo of a dog riding in its own trailer behind a bike, if anyone would like to see it (guess I shouldn't post it to the list). Not sure how much he likes the trailer, but as long as they're in the middle of things, dogs are not very particular! :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:43:39 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27158 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD4654A026A; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:34 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125124015.018f5d30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:40:57 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Easy to load trailers In-Reply-To: <001201be487a$bd7fec80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <006d01be4878$14a537c0$390fa1ce@anita> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:52 AM 1/25/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >There was/is a company called EZ-Hauler that sells a similar product for >about $750. The web-page bookmark I have no longer works, so If someone >else has it please pass it on. >Todd Motorcycle Consumer News just finished a two-part article on "Sport Towing", and may have that info. www.mcnews.com Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:43:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA27151 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AD4554A026A; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:43:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125123637.00fe4460@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:39:29 -0500 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: re: be on the lookout Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <85256704.00522C42.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:58 AM 1/25/99 , christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: >That's a rather outlandish example Sean ... so let's try a more realistic >one. > >As a beverage sales consultant, should you not bring a patron his fifth >Vodka tonic if he is visibly impaired? Yes. I think Virginia law makes it illegal to server alcohol so someone who appears inebriated. > And if you do, can his family sue >you in a class action suit after he wraps his cage/bike around a tree? I think so. Especially if the person was served more alcohol after appearing inebriated. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 12:51:34 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27361 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:51:27 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7ULYa05322 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:48:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <248b523a.36acae81@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:48:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Track Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 Hello All, I'm the process of trying to get a local Honda Dealership (Loudoun Motorsports) to sponsor a track day out at Summit Point Raceway. The dealer is very interested, and they mentioned the possibility of having an F4 to demo (but I wouldn't count on that one). I would like to determine what the interest is out there. So if anyone in the area is interested then please send me an e-mail. From what I've learned, I would estimate about $125/rider to get out on the track - based on figures from Herdon Cycle Sport track days - so this number may change. If I get a large enough response then I'll do my best to get us all out on the track. Incidently, my role in all of this is that I'm the president of a local Honda Rider's Club chapter, and I'm working on a strictly volunteer basis. Hope to hear from some of you -matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 13:04:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27603 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA14110; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:05:49 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC960@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Easy to load trailers Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:05:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Post it in the picture area on the yahoo club thing.. clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders On Monday, January 25, 1999 1:05 PM, Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: > I have a 41KB jpg photo of a dog riding in its own trailer behind a bike, > if anyone would like to see it (guess I shouldn't post it to the list). > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 13:12:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27782 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08582 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06842 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 224 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:11:35 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990125131051.01ffba90@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:11:33 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: t-shirts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Are we any closer to the t-shirt goal? I ordered 2....doing my part....At least buy a couple to sleep in! ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 13:20:43 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27950 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15521; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 12:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:22:29 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC961@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Lordorange@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Track Day Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:22:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Matt, I think it's a great idea. More track days are a good thing. however, have you talked with Bill Scott out at the track yet?? My understanding is that an open day for the current year is a pretty difficult thing to acquire, even mid week. I'd consider it depending on how the date fell in with the race schedule for this season as well as available tune and test days, but I wouldn't count me as a definite yes...too many variables right now. Good luck! Collin From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 13:20:07 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27872 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s0.wizard.net [206.161.15.30]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17911; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: <009401be4890$7572c960$930fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" , "Chris Norloff" Subject: Re: Easy to load trailers Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:28:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Obviously, you've never met my dogs! :-) One large greyhound (75 lbs) in a sidecar... maybe. Two (75 lbs + 55 lbs)? No way! :-) Plus I'd have to worry about how to keep them *in* the sidecar if they saw a squirrel near the road! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 13:22:51 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27977 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6768C0029C; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:22:46 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990125132715.018f6130@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:29:34 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Pics on Yahoo [was Easy to load trailers In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC960@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bleah. No thanks. They want more information that I want to provide their database, they set or attempted to set 24 cookies on my computer, and they still wouldn't give me access to the DCareariders. And then guess what? No provision for deleting your own account. I'll pass the photo to Collin. Chris Norloff At 01:05 PM 1/25/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Post it in the picture area on the yahoo club thing.. >clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders > >On Monday, January 25, 1999 1:05 PM, Chris Norloff >[SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: > >> I have a 41KB jpg photo of a dog riding in its own trailer behind a bike, >> if anyone would like to see it (guess I shouldn't post it to the list). >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 13:24:12 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27989 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s0.wizard.net [206.161.15.30]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18384 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:23:53 -0500 Message-ID: <009d01be4891$0aab2a40$930fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Easy to load trailers Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 No mention of EZ-Hauler in the MCN article. But, I was able to track down the manufacturer on the web (of course). The trailer is made by GC Manufacturing in Garland, TX and their number is 800-527-2569. Apparently a small operation as I had to leave a message when I called. I wish their website was still up... one of the search engines had indexed enough of the now defunct pages for me to tell that they make a single, dual and triple rail trailer that cranks down to ground level. Also found reference to hauling two Goldwings on one, so no doubt the trailers are sturdy! :-) Thanks to Todd for pointing me in the right direction! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 13:52:09 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28473 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01036 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:51:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:48:56 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Chris' Dog Pic Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I posted onto Yahoo. Thank you Chris! -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 14:20:44 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29019 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09786 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.125]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA09838 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:20:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990125191914.24499.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send201.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:19:14 PST Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 11:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: t-shirts To: Mike Troutman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will check with Sean and find out .... Please keep in mind that Sean has no email at this time and thanks for your support... ---Mike Troutman wrote: > > Are we any closer to the t-shirt goal? I ordered 2....doing my part....At > least buy a couple to sleep in! > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 14:47:26 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA29499 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:47:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA24981; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:47:22 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA08394; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:47:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:47:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Day In-Reply-To: <248b523a.36acae81@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What are the requirements for participating in a track day other than the fees? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 15:01:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29771 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10565 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11539 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WCZa004796 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:56:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <99d57623.36accc5f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:56:15 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Just to keep the dreaded Cage Meets Bike scenario fresh in everyone's mind - I was just rear-ended by a van while I was stopped at a red light waiting for it to turn green. When I asked him what happened, he shrugged and said "the brakes aren't working right" ...... I DID get all his info and fortunately he must have only been going about 2 miles an hour as the only problems I can see are a now loose and wobbly taillight, a scratch on the paint on the rear section, and a bent rear reflector. It didn't even knock me over. Normally I watch my rearviews when I'm sitting at a light to make sure I can move out of the way in just this kind of situation .... alas I was staring up at the clouds this time...... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 15:22:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00222 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10821 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA12244 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A137118D00D2; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:16:55 EST Message-ID: <36ACD249.13726A84@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:21:29 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D References: <99d57623.36accc5f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marcy, Glad to hear you and bike are ok. Getting walloped from behind while stopped is one of my biggest fears. Happened to me in the cage once, I saw the kid coming in his Jeep, I was stuck behind someone else and couldn't move. If I'd had the bike, I might have been able to get out of the way in time. I always do the paranoid look-in-the-mirror thing whenever I'm stopped, keep watching until they are several cages deep behind me. JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: > > Just to keep the dreaded Cage Meets Bike scenario fresh in everyone's mind - I > was just rear-ended by a van while I was stopped at a red light waiting for it > to turn green. W -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 15:29:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00352 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10918 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12540 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA04268; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:26:10 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125202856.NXZM5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:28:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: t-shirts Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:27:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002001be48a1$313209d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990125131051.01ffba90@mail.wheatintl.com> Importance: Normal Spoke with Sean this weekend. He is in the process of getting his new mail account up and running and hopes to join the list again soon. Anyway, his take on the shirt thing is that he needs some more orders to keep the costs to what he said they would be. He has roughly 40+ orders but still needs a few more. I don't have his current address to send $$$ to, but I think he will be at the superbowl party this Sunday. If not, I'll take the checks and get them to him. Todd > > Are we any closer to the t-shirt goal? I ordered 2....doing my part....At > least buy a couple to sleep in! > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 15:29:51 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00354 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA19031; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:26:09 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125202852.NXZE5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 14:28:52 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Track Day Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:27:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01be48a1$2eb968b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <248b523a.36acae81@aol.com> Importance: Normal I'm interested. Suggest you speak with a MARRC representative as well to arrange a workable date for cornerworker presence. http://marrc.nova.org/ Todd > > Hello All, > > I'm the process of trying to get a local Honda Dealership (Loudoun > Motorsports) to sponsor a track day out at Summit Point Raceway. > The dealer > is very interested, and they mentioned the possibility of having > an F4 to demo > (but I wouldn't count on that one). > > I would like to determine what the interest is out there. So if > anyone in the > area is interested then please send me an e-mail. From what I've > learned, I > would estimate about $125/rider to get out on the track - based on figures > from Herdon Cycle Sport track days - so this number may change. > If I get a > large enough response then I'll do my best to get us all out on the track. > Incidently, my role in all of this is that I'm the president of a > local Honda > Rider's Club chapter, and I'm working on a strictly volunteer basis. > > Hope to hear from some of you > -matt > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 15:56:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00767 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11350 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13752 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:56:42 -0500 (EST) From: knapik@XXXXXX Received: from southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com [9.37.3.208]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA53244; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:33:07 -0500 Received: from d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com (d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com [9.67.228.34]) by southrelay01.raleigh.ibm.com (8.8.7/NCO v1.8) with SMTP id PAA35478; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:56:07 -0500 Received: by d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256704.0072FC47 ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:55:56 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, jinnsinn@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256704.0072FB6C.00@d54mta02.raleigh.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:55:50 -0500 Subject: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Marcy, glad to hear you're alright!!! I've been rear-ended twice while in a cage and don't even want to experience that on my bike. >>Just to keep the dreaded Cage Meets Bike scenario fresh in everyone's mind - >>I was just rear-ended by a van while I was stopped at a red light waiting for >>it to turn green. Regards, Tom Knapik E-mail: knapik@XXXXXX Phone: (301) 803-2417, tie-262-2417 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 16:20:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01304 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11677 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14771 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA32203; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:19:19 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990125211932.OGOP5654@toddnt>; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 15:19:32 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:18:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002301be48a8$42e8c810$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <99d57623.36accc5f@aol.com> Importance: Normal Glad to hear you're ok. Hope this guy has insurance. T > -----Original Message----- > From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 2:56 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D > > > Just to keep the dreaded Cage Meets Bike scenario fresh in > everyone's mind - I > was just rear-ended by a van while I was stopped at a red light > waiting for it > to turn green. When I asked him what happened, he shrugged and said "the > brakes aren't working right" ...... I DID get all his info and > fortunately he > must have only been going about 2 miles an hour as the only > problems I can see > are a now loose and wobbly taillight, a scratch on the paint on the rear > section, and a bent rear reflector. It didn't even knock me over. > > Normally I watch my rearviews when I'm sitting at a light to make > sure I can > move out of the way in just this kind of situation .... alas I > was staring up > at the clouds this time...... > > Marcy > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 16:26:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01354 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11755 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15000 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:26:25 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4XRZa20087; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:08:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4353c900.36acdd46@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:08:22 EST To: knapik@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 the only other accident I've ever been in was being rear-ended in a cage while (guess what?) stopped at a red light. But in that case the woman was going 35MPH, had been drinking, and was ogling the White House instead of the road - me and all 3 passengers were out of commission for about 8 months .... major whiplash, back pain, even loss of hearing for one woman ..... what should we do...put giant Nerf bumpers on the back of all cars? LOL In a message dated 1/25/99 3:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, knapik@XXXXXX writes: > Marcy, glad to hear you're alright!!! I've been rear-ended twice while in > a cage and don't even want to experience that on my bike. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 16:32:13 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01497 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DQMSa04794 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:29:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47870cd8.36ace239@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:29:29 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Track Day - nitty gritty details Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 I've spoken with Bill Scott of Summit Point. There are a few Saturdays left on the Jefferson Circuit, but the "actual" summit point raceway is only available on weekdays at this point. I intend to become a MARRC cornerworker this year, and some of the members of the local riding club intend to cornerwork as well. So that will reduce costs marginally, but we still may need to hire some additional cornerworkers. >From what I've learned so far, the following is necessary to get on the track: 1. safety wire the oil drain plug (drilling a hole through the bolt head and wiring it to something sturdy on the bike - I'm just going to buy a second plug for this purpose) 2. Proper riding attire - leather race suit preferred, but a leather jacket and 2 pair of pants acceptable 3. Tape up lights, speedo, etc. 4. Drain out coolant and replace with distilled water. 5. and of course the track fee We'll see what happens - matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 16:37:23 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01574 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 16:37:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990125213652.17914.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.195.115.120] by send206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:36:52 PST Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 13:36:52 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: t-shirts To: Elie Rosenblum Cc: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sean's Address is: Sean Sullivan #16 8th. Street N.E. Washington, D.C. 20002 Home 202-544-2855 Shirts were $ 10.00 each for large, Extra Large may be more each.. and so on... If you plan on mailing a check to Sean... Please call him first to verify color, sizing and costs. ---Elie Rosenblum wrote: > > For those of us who are new to the list, do you have information about > what is available and where to send orders? I'd certainly be interested > but all I've seen is secondary related traffic. > > And thus spake c j, on Mon, Jan 25, 1999 at 11:19:14AM -0800: > > I will check with Sean and find out .... > > Please keep in mind that Sean has no email at this time > > and thanks for your support... > > > > > > > > > > ---Mike Troutman wrote: > > > > > > Are we any closer to the t-shirt goal? I ordered 2....doing my > > part....At > > > least buy a couple to sleep in! > > > > > > ___________________________________________ > > > Mike Troutman > > > http://www.troutman.org > > > > > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > -- > Elie Rosenblum That is not dead which can eternal lie, > http://www.cosanostra.net And with strange aeons even death may die. > Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer - _The Necromicon_ > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 17:29:51 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02582 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-97.s97.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.97]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19467; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:29:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36ACF6B3.A2E63B2C@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:56:51 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lordorange@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Track Day - nitty gritty details References: <47870cd8.36ace239@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: > > I've spoken with Bill Scott of Summit Point. There are a few Saturdays left > on the Jefferson Circuit, but the "actual" summit point raceway is only > available on weekdays at this point. Great to hear that... Actually, if you go with Jefferson Circuit, I'd be more inclined to ride it... probably even on the Maxim since it is a much shorter track and no big straights for you hooligans to escape me...Mwahahahahaha Or I could always finsih one of the EX500's ..yeah right..some century... Wouldn't want to take the GSXR on that circuit...too tight and not enough run off in case of accidents.... > > I intend to become a MARRC cornerworker this year, and some of the members of > the local riding club intend to cornerwork as well. So that will reduce costs > marginally, but we still may need to hire some additional cornerworkers. > All cornerworkers for MARRC are volunteers, and I'm sure we could train some of the riders depending on how things worked out. One issue will be hiring the ambulance services..they aren't volunteer! > >From what I've learned so far, the following is necessary to get on the track: > > 1. safety wire the oil drain plug (drilling a hole through the bolt head and > wiring it to something sturdy on the bike - I'm just going to buy a second > plug for this purpose) Why get a second plug??? Drilling and wiring the stocker in no way harms it or prevents it from lasting as long as a non drilled plug... actually a good idea to do on ANY bike (they have been known to come out) Also, if you have a spin on oil filter i highly recommend safety wiring it... One of our local suzuki riders (who's on another list with me) had one back off and dump oil in his path out on the belt way..he stayed up, but I'm not sure how! And I've heard horror stories from others of them backing off..... It's an easy safety item, and you don't even need to drill anything! > > 2. Proper riding attire - leather race suit preferred, but a leather jacket > and 2 pair of pants acceptable For Cycle Sport's track days, it is as you mentioned above or with an aerostitch or similar. > 4. Drain out coolant and replace with distilled water. Not required at Cycle Sport's track days, but a darn good idea. If someone crashes and pops a hose or the radiator, it could spell the end of the day since coolant is a bear to clean up. Distilled water with "water wetter" will keep your bike running just fine for a track day even in 100+ degree weather. keep us informed as to what comes up..sounds like it could be fun...Teh jefferson circuit would be cool even for the slower crowd or cruisers too!! DC-Cycles invades summit!!!! he he he -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 18:00:28 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03252 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:00:27 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FBZZa07792 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:55:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:55:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: EX 500 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 What is an EX 500? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 18:12:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03476 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13364 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA21421 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:12:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16404 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust026.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.26]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA17444; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:59:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990125225127.006ad878@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 17:51:27 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: be on the lookout I apologize, Todd. I misunderstood your response. Leon. At 07:29 PM 1/24/99 -0500, Todd Peer wrote: >My comments (should have elaborated) were mostly aimed at to Colemans being >more concerned about the bottom dollar and Jacks statement that the dealers >are unscrupulous. It's winter time and they probably appreciate the >business, but at a minimum they could advise new meat of the dangers of >starting on such powerful machines. Hey, we do it all the time right here >on the list. Usually in response to someone (new) asking for advice. > >How did you get that I'd like to see individual freedoms restricted with >agreeing with Jack? Jack never suggested anyone restrict someone elses >rights or freedoms. I suppose if you were about to jump off a cliff without >a parachute you'd consider me intrusive and a freedom stifler if I suggested >you wear one, and maybe take a class on how to use it. > >C'mon Leon, lighten up man. > >Todd > >Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> >> Now I'm curious. How would a libertarian implement such a policy without >> restricting individual freedom? >> >> >> >> At 01:30 AM 1/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >Wow! My sentiments, more or less exactly! >> > >> >> In a message dated 1/23/99 4:57:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, >> >> wes@XXXXXX >> >> writes: >> >> >> >> << This 18-year-old kid, whose father (unfortunately) has >> >> recently passed away >> >> but left the kid a huge amount of money, came in with three >> buddies about >> >> the same age. All first-time riders with little or no >> experience and no >> >> MSF classes. The kid with all the $$ bought 2 Ninjas and 2 >> Ducati's. I >> >> didn't stick around to watch them ride off, but I did put my $2 in the >> >> "which bike will come in wrecked first" pool. So be on the >> >> lookout for: >> >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, today, salespeople are UNSCRUPULOUS and will sell >> >> anything to >> >> anyone. To be honest, if I was there and saw this, I would have >> >> made a SCENE >> >> with the salesperson. There comes a point where you have to >> look out for >> >> peoples welfare. And Im NOT talking about the kids. One will >> >> seriously hurt >> >> themselves (if not kill themselves) and take someone with >> them! Typical >> >> Colemans though, only cares about the dollar. Damn shame. I know Ill >> >> definitely keep my eye out. >> >> >> > >> > >> > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 18:13:16 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03497 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-97.s97.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.97]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22849; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:13:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AD00EA.BC09DD71@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:40:26 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: EX 500 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All kinds of pics of the EX500 (aka GPZ500, aka Ninja500) at: http://www.bikepics.com/kawasaki/gpz500.html STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > What is an EX 500? -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 18:22:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03663 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13498 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA21754 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16512 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MPDRa26290; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:19:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7eacf1cb.36acfc05@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 18:19:33 EST To: skight@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/25/99 12:24:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, skight@XXXXXX writes: > > I still think everyone (and I do mean Everyone!) should ride a motorcycle > for a year. Imagine the incredible reduction of stupid people on the > roadways!@! > Does that mean survivors should be applauded as intelligent? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 19:05:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04447 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14159 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22869 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:05:40 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7UHTa06037; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:03:48 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:03:48 EST To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/24/99 11:07:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: << And look what happened.......... 8^O Jon (zipping up my fire suite) >> I know. I know. But at least I didn't go out and buy a brand new one with more hp than I could handle. I started low and am still there. At least for a while. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 19:15:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04615 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14271 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23033 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:15:27 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VKWTa00811; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:08:43 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <8d451bd.36ad078b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:08:43 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Where's the pictures? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/25/99 1:23:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Hey, Scooter, it's been a week. Where are the pics from the NY trip?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell >> Just got'em developed. I had to take 6 more to finish the roll. I don't have a scanner or a place to post them for the matter. If anyone wants to volunteer to scan them and send me the originals back, let me know and I'll send them. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 19:46:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05103 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA14580 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23742 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UFOIa03537 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:44:26 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <66b3f167.36ad0fea@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:44:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: :-) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_917311467_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_917311467_boundary Content-ID: <0_917311467@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_917311467_boundary Content-ID: <0_917311467@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (rly-zd01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.225]) by air-zd01.mail.aol.com (v56.24) with SMTP; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:04:31 -0500 Received: from europe.annapolis.net (europe.annapolis.net [206.24.4.6]) by rly-zd01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id JAA06259 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from AII-TS-08p44.annapolis.net (AII-TS-08p44.annapolis.net [206.24.5.108]) by europe.annapolis.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/7.abfo) with ESMTP id aa712894 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:04:30 -0500 Message-ID: <36AC7871.81A3CFFB@annapolis.net> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 08:58:10 -0500 From: Phil Lung Organization: Marketing Plus X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: "Spears, Joe" CC: "Nixon, Barbara" , "Nixon, Terry" , "Overstreet, Greg&Pam" , "Reid, Bill" , "Petri, Sean" , "Rauch, Smokey" , "Rosado, Ingrid" , "Ross, Rob'n'Beck" , "Simmons, Michael & Tracy" , "Sloggett, Ed & Diane" , "Snake, Snake" , "Sultz, Tom" , "Thigpen, Joe" , "Tieff, Pamela" , "Todd, Greg A" , "Watkins, Becky" , "West, Bob" , "Zachery, Rufus" , "Zackery, Barbara" , "Ziolkowski, Robert" , "Zimmer, Steve" Subject: :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_917311467_boundary" --part1_917311467_boundary Content-ID: <0_917311467@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII PHONY COP CAR, PHONY TROOPER STOLEN Maryland State Police are on the lookout for their "look-alike cruiser" that's used as a decoy to slow speeding traffic - it was stolen last week. The fiberglass unit is so lifelike, it even has a phony trooper, sitting behind the wheel. He was stolen, too. Police say they don't consider this a joking matter - they call the apprehension of whoever heisted the valuable property 'top priority.' Now this is funny !!! l-D --part1_917311467_boundary Content-ID: <0_917311467@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; name="phil.vcf" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline begin:vcard n:Lung;Phil tel;pager:410 431 8595 tel;cell:410 760 7223 tel;fax:410 923 2968 tel;home:410 923 6996 tel;work:410 923 6996 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Marketing Plus;Proprietor adr:;;633 Echo Cove;Crownsville;MD;21032;USA version:2.1 email;internet:phil@XXXXXX title:Cyber :c) x-mozilla-cpt:;-23184 fn:Lung, Phil end:vcard --part1_917311467_boundary-- --part0_917311467_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 19:55:17 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05187 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id COAIa01428 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:52:04 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 19:52:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: One Lap of WV Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 An article in the recent issue of Rider Mag got me to thinking. It was entitled on Lap of California. Hummmm. How about One Lap of West Virginia over the Memorial Day weekend. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 20:21:00 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05701 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA24023; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:20:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AD4322.51D2@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:22:58 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eternity23@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Essay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Jordan wrote: --> snip<-- > (Sorry....been awhile since I wrote and impromptu essay....) Well done Sean. Very persuasive. JK From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 21:00:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06301 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15355 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.cw.net (pm01sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.150]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA25527 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:35 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr42-dialup41.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.77.105]) by PM01SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33505) with SMTP id <0F6500CHN9I6LY@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 01:58:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:00 -0500 Subject: Re: :-) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <001201be48cf$96917da0$694d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal It was me! hehe Jon -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 7:56 PM Subject: Fwd: :-) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 21:06:06 1999 Return-Path: Alpha@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06378 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dynamics [209.12.221.100] by tidalwave.net (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1CF164A0128; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:00:47 EST Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE48A6.12584BA0.Alpha@tidalwave.net> From: Alpha To: "'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX'" Subject: Kids+ZX-9R's=D.O.A Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:02:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 22 TEXT I hope they don't get in any serious trouble. I remember finding out on my ex 500 what GRABBING the front brake will do to you. MAN!!! Six piston calipers, two front discs... Yeah just wait till one of em PANICS and GRABS the lever of death... If I see em around I'll be sure to whup em on any road here in gaithersburg rockville, or potomac area. Its not the size its how you use it... An inexperienced zx-9r rider will get whupped by an experienced ex500 rider... Doesn't it just drive you nuts to see those guys in the summer time on cbr 600's and 900rr's And yes shamefully some Ninja (You don't get on a Ninja without health insurance.) riders have been that stupid as well. I learned my lesson going 15 mph these guys are on the beltway going 80mph T-shirt and shorts a flappin... "I feel your pain, NOT!" Anyone up for any rides? Weathers getting warmer slow but steady... Later Joe From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 21:16:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06538 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA15489 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA26112 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:16:18 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr42-dialup41.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.77.105]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F650009HA9V1B@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 02:15:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:15:36 -0500 Subject: Re: be on the lookout To: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002701be48d1$c568d860$694d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >I know. I know. But at least I didn't go out and buy a brand new one with >more hp than I could handle. I started low and am still there. At least for >a while. :-) > >Scooter I wouldn't consider 80hp low for a beginner bike. I think you could ride the FZR for quite a while w/o getting bored. I've been riding mine for 2 years and it's still capable of going much faster than I can ride it. I can scrape pegs, but I'm not dragging engine cases like Colin(sheesh). Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 21:32:06 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06753 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA28662; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:31:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01be48d4$5737e4a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Alpha" , Subject: Re: Kids+ZX-9R's=D.O.A Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:34:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Hey... don't get the poor kids killed now... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Alpha To: 'DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX' Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 9:17 PM Subject: Kids+ZX-9R's=D.O.A >I hope they don't get in any serious trouble. >I remember finding out on my ex 500 what GRABBING the front brake will do to you. >MAN!!! Six piston calipers, two front discs... >Yeah just wait till one of em PANICS and GRABS the lever of death... > >If I see em around I'll be sure to whup em on any road here in gaithersburg rockville, or potomac area. >Its not the size its how you use it... >An inexperienced zx-9r rider will get whupped by an experienced ex500 rider... > >Doesn't it just drive you nuts to see those guys in the summer time on cbr 600's and 900rr's >And yes shamefully some Ninja (You don't get on a Ninja without health insurance.) riders have been that stupid as well. > >I learned my lesson going 15 mph these guys are on the beltway going 80mph T-shirt and shorts a flappin... >"I feel your pain, NOT!" > >Anyone up for any rides? > >Weathers getting warmer slow but steady... > >Later >Joe > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 21:52:08 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07037 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:52:07 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HDFVa05501; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:34:43 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4c0031b7.36ad29c3@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 21:34:43 EST To: Alpha@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Kids+ZX-9R's=D.O.A Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/25/99 9:12:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Alpha@XXXXXX writes: << Its not the size its how you use it... >> It was quite nice to believe that statement, but I have assured by many of the other sex that, unfortunately for me, it really isn't true. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 22:06:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07283 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15840 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27270 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-97.s97.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.97]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04806; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:06:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AD37A3.B4A00CE@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:33:55 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX CC: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: be on the lookout References: <002701be48d1$c568d860$694d37a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd have to agree... I think the FZR600 is one of the most under rated bikes ther is.. Relatively inexpensive, decent handling (even better if you race tech the front end and stiffen the springs), not too much for a beginner, but plenty there for an experienced rider on the street (and even mroe with some cheap gearing changes/mild motor work) Hey!!! to clarify a bit..I've only scraped pegs out on the street, and not too often on the old street bike (can't help but drag them on the Maxim). The engine case on the 97 GSXR does indeed get dragged on occasion, but that's only on the track at full race speeds and partially a function of the bikes design. With some suspension mods, i'm hoping to alleviate that problem this season. and it's TWO LL's!!! he he he (I'm not english ;-)) CoLLin dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > I wouldn't consider 80hp low for a beginner bike. I think you could ride > the FZR for quite a while w/o getting bored. I've been riding mine for 2 > years and it's still capable of going much faster than I can ride it. I can > scrape pegs, but I'm not dragging engine cases like Colin(sheesh). > > Jon -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 22:20:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07498 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:20:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15871 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27556 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:20:43 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr42-dialup41.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.77.105]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F6500BISD8TSF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 03:19:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 22:19:46 -0500 Subject: Re: be on the lookout To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <004c01be48da$bb89e740$694d37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >and it's TWO LL's!!! he he he (I'm not english ;-)) >CoLLin Ooops! Sorry about that CoLLin........... 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 23:23:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08449 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA16392 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28655 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IWYMa01440; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:22:23 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <281022f1.36ad42ff@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:22:23 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout - fatty foods Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 As a food & beverage sales consultant, (waiter), am I obligated to steer overweight people from Four cheeze tortolloni with fried potatoes, to the steamed asparagus? >> Ive never seen Four Cheese Pasta kill somebody by throwing them through a car (or a guard rail). Thats mixing apples and oranges. Actually, the scenarios are not all that different. In both cases, the consumer desires something which has a higher potential of causing them harm than something else which I could offer them. It has been suggested that the vendor of said desires has a responsability to the consumer in regards to their well-being. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 23:32:43 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08596 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-11.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.52]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA15472 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:32:40 -0500 Message-ID: <038f01be48e4$854fdea0$5c10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: An offroad bike? Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:28:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 A couple of inquiries not panning out, so thought I'd take this last wild stab on the list -- Does anyone have any guesses as to where an offroad bike of some sort could be rented for the Leon run on Sunday? I know this is a highly improbable quest, but never like to leave stones unturned. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Not old enough for the joys of dirt Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 25 23:42:17 1999 Return-Path: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08761 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:42:16 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TVVAa04795 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:38:26 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <633ffa76.36ad46c2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 23:38:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Outlandish analogies and other tactics of persuasion (non-moto) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Outlandish?....well, it's a bit of a stretch. Relevant? I think so. Unreasonable, or wrong if said sales rep/waiter voiced his opinion on the matter. Yes and no. Professionally, it may or may not be appropriate to make a suggestion. You don't really have any way of knowing the particular's of each customer's relevant experiences without asking, or having them volunteer the information. In the case of the 4 wannabe-squids, I don't think any advice would have really mattered. Inflated egos, and preconceived notions of the kind of speed one can buy when one has the persuasion of Ben Franklin probably made the young burgers-to-be quite firm in their resolve. You have to play it case by case. -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 00:15:36 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09312 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-106.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.106]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA07548; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901260516.AAA07548@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:10:38 -0500 To: "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: An offroad bike? In-Reply-To: <038f01be48e4$854fdea0$5c10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought this was more of a street-bikes-in-the-rough ride than a ride for offroad bikes. Can someone clarify? MET At 11:28 PM 1/25/99 , mobacc wrote: >A couple of inquiries not panning out, so thought I'd take this last wild >stab on the list -- Does anyone have any guesses as to where an offroad= bike >of some sort could be rented for the Leon run on Sunday? I know this is a >highly improbable quest, but never like to leave stones unturned. > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 Not old enough for the joys of dirt >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 08:35:46 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18131 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-86.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.86]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA14191 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:37:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901261337.IAA14191@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:31:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Local Givi source wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all, I think I might take the plunge before my annual Blue Ridge ride this year, so I'm looking for a (relatively) local dealer that has some Givi stuff in stock, and preferably one with which people have had decent experiences. They don't have to carry everything -- I don't mind ordering what I need -- but maybe a couple of display units so I can check out the sizes, etc. Any thoughts? MET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 09:00:48 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18507 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26898; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:59:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:56:38 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: "Mark E. Truelove" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Local Givi source wanted In-Reply-To: <199901261337.IAA14191@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I got all my stuff at Cycle Accessory Discounters in Gaithersburg (301-977-7188, I think). They gave a discount off of Givi's MSRP. I don't think that they have display units though. =20 I love mine!! -Mb ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#4468= 84 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying= to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams =20 On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Mark E. Truelove wrote: >=20 > Hey all, >=20 > I think I might take the plunge before my annual Blue Ridge ride this yea= r, > so I'm looking for a (relatively) local dealer that has some Givi stuff i= n > stock, and preferably one with which people have had decent experiences. >=20 > They don't have to carry everything -- I don't mind ordering what I need = -- > but maybe a couple of display units so I can check out the sizes, etc. >=20 > Any thoughts? >=20 > MET >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- > Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0 http://members.bellatlantic.net/~tru= e911/ > 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (= In Hibernation) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D >=20 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 09:01:21 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18517 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10592x-00074I-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:00:51 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA20959 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16264 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:01:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901261401.JAA16264@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Local Givi source wanted To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:01:12 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199901261337.IAA14191@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> from "Mark E. Truelove" " at Jan 26, 99 08:31:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Hey all, > > I think I might take the plunge before my annual Blue Ridge ride this year, > so I'm looking for a (relatively) local dealer that has some Givi stuff in > stock, and preferably one with which people have had decent experiences. > They don't have to carry everything -- I don't mind ordering what I need -- > but maybe a couple of display units so I can check out the sizes, etc. While a lot of shops are Givi distributers (basically they just have to call and ask), most (that I've seen) do not have "display models." I guess it would be an overhead expense. Coleman's in Falls Church does have a few on display, but they are some of the older models, not the kind that you would probably want. A good way to see "real world" application is try to go on a group ride with Michael Jordan. He's got three Givi bags mounted on his bike. I added one to my Concours (came with saddle bags). I use the E50, Maxia. The biggest one the (currently) make. And I love it. I used it on my BRP ride last year (needed to carry an extra helmet for when I met my friend). >From what I've heard, Art Crow has a discount on the bags, but don't take my word on it. (most stores don't offer discounts because Givi has a low profit margin on them.) > Any thoughts? Lots of them. Nothing related to the subject though... > MET Louis From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 09:40:05 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19070 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23764 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA07989 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22682 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA02228; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:39:08 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990126143928.SIZX1406@toddnt>; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:39:28 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , Subject: RE: be on the lookout Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:38:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be4939$82080600$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <7eacf1cb.36acfc05@aol.com> Importance: Normal Whoever the hell STARAI@XXXXXX is wrote: > In a message dated 1/25/99 12:24:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > skight@XXXXXX writes: > > > > > I still think everyone (and I do mean Everyone!) should ride a > motorcycle > > for a year. Imagine the incredible reduction of stupid people on the > > roadways!@! > > > > Does that mean survivors should be applauded as intelligent? > Well if it doesn't, and applause are required, then the dead will be applauded. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 09:49:59 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19246 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA00100; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:46:40 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990126144931.SKOQ1406@toddnt>; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:49:31 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: One Lap of WV Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:48:18 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be493a$e948b660$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal OOOoooOOOOoooOOo.!! Now THIS has potential! How about you begin to figure out the logistics and start selling it? Last year we (DC-Cycles) did a trip down to Deal's Gap, TN via the BRP. It was fun and higlighted by camping out with some hillbillys, repairing a flat tire and working out how to get a wrecked motorcycle home. Lot's of things to think about. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: McKeithen@XXXXXX [mailto:McKeithen@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 7:52 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: One Lap of WV > > > An article in the recent issue of Rider Mag got me to thinking. It was > entitled on Lap of California. Hummmm. How about One Lap of West Virginia > over the Memorial Day weekend. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 10:10:59 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19564 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA23664; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:09:19 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990126151000.SOHS1406@toddnt>; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:10:00 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mark E. Truelove" , "mobacc" , "Dc Cycles" Subject: RE: An offroad bike? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:08:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be493d$c5c38370$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <199901260516.AAA07548@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal It is! Mark Truelove wrote: > I thought this was more of a street-bikes-in-the-rough ride than > a ride for > offroad bikes. Can someone clarify? > > MET > > At 11:28 PM 1/25/99 , mobacc wrote: > >A couple of inquiries not panning out, so thought I'd take this last wild > >stab on the list -- Does anyone have any guesses as to where an > offroad bike > >of some sort could be rented for the Leon run on Sunday? Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. The route starts out easy, has a couple of technical spots, but no one should feel this ride is too tough. This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't about leaving the WSDY gang in the dust. This is about practicing one's riding technique under conditions that many riders don't. It's only a 34 mile route! If you average 10 miles per hour it'll take 3 1/2 hours to finish. Since 13 miles of the route is paved, and 4 miles can be avoided. I'm pretty sure that everyone can finish earlier than that. This isn't supposed to be intimidating. I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be back in time to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party. Start at McDonald's on Rt28 (new one with Play Place 1/2 mile south of 28/29 intersection.) >From Anita's Burger King on Rt 7: take 28 south, it's on the right just south of I-66 and Rt 29. >From Manassas: take 28 north, it's on the left across from Old Centerville Road. >From I66: take Exit 53, go south on 28, it's about 3/4 miles on the right. The Route: Odometer reading, Turn, On Road, and go this far, on a road that is 0, Left, North on 28, 1.1 miles, Paved 1.1, Left, West on Braddock Road (1st light north of I66), 11.7 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition few curves 12.8, Left, New Rd, 1.0 miles, Paved 13.8, Left, Mountain Rd, 3.7 miles, Paved 17.5, right, Take Ridge Rd up (then left) to the top of Bull Run Mountain, 2 miles, Mostly unpaved - tight switchbacks 19.5, Turn Around, Go back down the mountain on Ridge Road, 2 miles, Same road coming back down 21.5, right, Mountain Rd, 3 miles, Paved 24.5, right, Waterfall Rd, 1.2 miles, Paved 25.7, Right, Bull Run Mountain Road, 4.1 miles, Unpaved very rough 29.8, Right, Champe Ford Rd, 3.4 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition 33.2, Right, Rt 50, 0.8 miles, Paved 34, End, Aldie, End of ride. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 10:31:15 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19973 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:31:14 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SNCa000808; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:29:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <72cb7782.36addf5d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:29:33 EST To: Alpha@XXXXXX, DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Kids+ZX-9R's=D.O.A Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/25/99 9:12:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Alpha@XXXXXX writes: > If I see em around I'll be sure to whup em on any road here in gaithersburg > rockville, or potomac area. call me naive or whatever you like but what exactly does this mean? you intend to race them through lanes of freeway traffic? get off your bike at a red light and kick their butts? lurk in their bushes til they get home and take your belt to their hides? do more wheelies in less time? I don't get it - someone explain this guy thing to a girl like me...... :D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 11:32:56 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20973 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:32:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990126162945.17628.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:29:45 PST Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:29:45 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: RE: t-shirts....suprebowl......Sean and Email.... To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" Cc: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the answer is yes..... I called Sean this morning, he got your check and is using my email for today to check up on this and will be in touch...... He may even come to the superbowl party....not sure yet... he had prior arrangements.... ---"Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" wrote: > > ax him if he got my check too. > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 14:08:06 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23882 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06458 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:46:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:09:53 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC96F@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: Moto Friendly banks?? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:09:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Hey ya'll... an officemate is interested in refinancing about 5k on his harley and was wondering which banks are m/c friendly (ie good interest rates and loans for m/c...or possibly a personal loan) Any info/experience would be greatly appreciated... Just reply to me and I'll get the info to him. Thanks Collin From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 14:33:01 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24316 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id OAA05934; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:34:19 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F66009DFMD5A2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256705.006B33CC ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:30:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:26:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Moto Friendly banks?? To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <85256705.006AE69D.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL If anyone has the information Collin wanted, please post it to the group also. I'll be in the market for a new (or used) motorcycle soon, and would be interested to hear about this information as well. I'm sure others here feel the same way. TIA. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 14:57:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24691 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29187 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA22111 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7SJYa15297 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:56:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <55432927.36ae1de8@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:56:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ride tomorrow? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I dont know if no one saw my post but Im trying to get some people who want to ride tomorrow. "National Biker Sick Day" will be the theme ;). Anyone interested let me know! Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 15:04:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24773 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29388 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22487 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:04:36 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1BJIa04329 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:03:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <212b0aa9.36ae1f9b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:03:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Amendment to Ride Tomorrow Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 It looks like better weather on Thursday. Well into the upper 60's!!! Again, if anyone is interested let me know. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 15:09:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24865 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29499 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (known cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA22656 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11608; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:10:58 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC977@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Ride tomorrow? Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:10:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I'd love to, but I've been away from my desk far too much over the past month...going to have to wait till this weekend for me... On Tuesday, January 26, 1999 3:08 PM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] wrote: > I dont know if no one saw my post but Im trying to get some people who want > to > ride tomorrow. "National Biker Sick Day" will be the theme ;). > Anyone interested let me know! > > Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 15:14:28 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24968 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:14:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzwi02902 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256705.006F594B ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:16:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256705.006F58BD.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:09:10 -0500 Subject: Directions to Superbowl Party Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm posting these again because we had a few requests for them. The party starts at 3PM this Sunday, January 31! 1220 S. Columbus Street Feel free to bring any and all offerings of grub and drink! : ) Here are the directions: >From points north and west: I-495 to US-Rt. 50 East. Take the exit for Carlin Springs Rd. and make a right onto Carlin Springs. Follow Carlin Springs Rd to a left on Columbia Pike(it's either the 3rd of 4th light). Continue on Columbia Pike to a right on Columbus St(3rd light). Follow Columbus St. to 1220... it's the 2nd to last house on the right before the light. >From points south and east: I-95 to I-395 North. Take the exit for King Street going westbound. Follow King Street to a right on George Mason Dr(4th or 5th light?... look for Calvary Road Church on corner). Continue on George Mason Dr. to the 2nd light and make a left onto Columbus St. Our house is the second on the left at 1220. >From Washington: Take US-Rt 50 West into Virginia. Continue on US-Rt 50 to the exit for George Mason Dr and make a left at the light at the top of the ramp. Cross the bridge and continue on George Mason Dr through four lights. At the 5th light make a right onto Columbus St. We're at 1220 which is the second house on the left. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 18:24:58 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28220 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA25209 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:24:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AE7989.7A1C@mnsinc.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:27:21 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Helmets on Line Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys & Gals, I found out about a web site where you can get helmets. One person said he got a great deal on a Shoei RF-800 for $220. Anywho, here's the URL: http://www.helmetshop.com/index.htm JK From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 19:13:50 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29074 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust036.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.36]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA24224; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:13:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990127000518.006b281c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:05:18 -0500 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: One Lap of WV Count me in. Like last year, I will witness for anyone who wants to get their Saddle Sore 1000 for the Ironbutt association. I need to do a 1000 mile day that weekend anyway as a test ride for the Capitol 1000 two weeks later. Where are we going to meet the rest of the DC Cycles group? Leon. At 07:52 PM 1/25/99 EST, McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: >An article in the recent issue of Rider Mag got me to thinking. It was >entitled on Lap of California. Hummmm. How about One Lap of West Virginia >over the Memorial Day weekend. > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 20:20:01 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00174 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:19:59 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id AJBAa01433 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:18:49 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <37811a60.36ae6979@aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:18:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Paging Ursalina Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Sorry to post to the list but, since I switched to my home account, I don't have any e-mail addresses. Usalina, got some great pics to send to you. Send me your snail-mail address please. You may now return to your regularly scheduled boredom. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 20:35:47 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00491 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0XLAa20554 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:31:39 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:31:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **JAN. HAPPY HOUR, FEB. PARTY & OUR NEW CLUB NAME** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I'd like to invite all DC Cycles Riders to a Happy Hour in DC on Friday, January 29 RUMORS in DC Friday, February 29 It's right around 17th & K, I've yet to get the exact location. I'll send that out tomorrow night. I'll be there by 6:00 p.m. and will probably stay until... This is a happy hour, then dancing kind of place. * * * * * * FEBRUARY BIKER PARTY Tentative Date: Saturday, February 27 Coconuts in Crofton A VERY BIKER FRIENDLY BAR The bar is owned by a fellow rider (www.coco-nuts.com) ALSO, one of our own, David (POST DSR) is a staff member at Coconuts! AND, the owner, Sam, is going to offer us some deals on food and drinks! MANY MORE DETAILS TO FOLLOW... Ride Safely and Stay Warm! la From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 21:20:56 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01194 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc3-s5.wizard.net [206.161.15.127]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16142; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01be499c$d73a4a80$7f0fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: , "Leon Begeman" Subject: Re: One Lap of WV Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:29:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I'd be up for helping to organize the non-Iron Butt contingent! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 21:25:43 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01217 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA04419 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:25:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:25:14 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone with speedvision ought to check out the schedule on sunday. Starting at 2:00pm there will be 7 World Superbike races (Phillip Island, Monza, Kyalami, Laguna Seca 1+2, Netherlands, and Sugo) and 3 AMA Superbike races (Road Atlanta 1+2 and Road America). Unfortunately, one tape will not capture the 10.5 hours of racing that will be shown and I plan to be on the dirt ride and at the superbowl party... At least I'll get a couple races taped. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 21:33:11 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01362 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.172.187] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A99D38600E6; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:27:41 EST Message-ID: <36AE7AF4.D32BD95C@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:33:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McKeithen@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: One Lap of WV References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds pretty cool. I might be able to swing a ride like this. Dale McKeithen@XXXXXX wrote: > > An article in the recent issue of Rider Mag got me to thinking. It was > entitled on Lap of California. Hummmm. How about One Lap of West Virginia > over the Memorial Day weekend. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 21:39:45 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01461 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-97.s97.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.97]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26741; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:45:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AE83A0.D4B5D85F@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:10:24 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmmmmm... what superbowl!!!!! :) I thought it was a superBIKE party!!! he he hehe Nothing like watching Haga flat track his YZF750 into the corners... Kirk Roy wrote: > > Anyone with speedvision ought to check out the schedule on sunday. > Starting at 2:00pm there will be 7 World Superbike races (Phillip Island, > Monza, Kyalami, Laguna Seca 1+2, Netherlands, and Sugo) and 3 AMA > Superbike races (Road Atlanta 1+2 and Road America). > > Unfortunately, one tape will not capture the 10.5 hours of racing that > will be shown and I plan to be on the dirt ride and at the superbowl > party... At least I'll get a couple races taped. > > Kirk -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 21:42:06 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01501 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-97.s97.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.97]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27953; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:47:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AE8435.B9E2C28B@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:12:53 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Leon Begeman Subject: Re: One Lap of WV References: <008c01be499c$d73a4a80$7f0fa1ce@anita> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Without having looked at the race schedule yet, I'll tentatively say that I'm in! Anita Lauro wrote: > > I'd be up for helping to organize the non-Iron Butt contingent! :-) > > Anita -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 21:48:02 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01620 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-83.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.83]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA03716 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:49:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901270249.VAA03716@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:42:16 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Cool. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the Givi help, at least now I've got some options! MET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 22:37:26 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02351 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:37:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990127034029.15053.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.163.205.67] by send104.yahoomail.com; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:40:29 PST Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:40:29 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: **JAN. HAPPY HOUR, FEB. PARTY & OUR NEW CLUB NAME** To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Regarding the Rumors Happy Hour: I assume that the date is Friday, January 29 not February 29 (no such date in '99). :~) Herb '94 Magna ---LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX wrote: > > I'd like to invite all DC Cycles Riders to a Happy Hour in DC on Friday, > January 29 > > RUMORS in DC > Friday, February 29 > It's right around 17th & K, I've yet to get the exact location. I'll send > that out tomorrow night. > I'll be there by 6:00 p.m. and will probably stay until... > This is a happy hour, then dancing kind of place. > * * * * * * > FEBRUARY BIKER PARTY > Tentative Date: Saturday, February 27 > Coconuts in Crofton > A VERY BIKER FRIENDLY BAR > The bar is owned by a fellow rider (www.coco-nuts.com) > ALSO, one of our own, David (POST DSR) is a staff member at Coconuts! > AND, the owner, Sam, is going to offer us some deals on food and drinks! > MANY MORE DETAILS TO FOLLOW... > Ride Safely and Stay Warm! la > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 23:00:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02751 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05009 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA07515 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:00:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id WAA16025 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-70-51.s51.tnt11.brd.erols.com(207.172.70.51) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma016022; Tue, 26 Jan 99 22:59:21 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990126225332.048836f0@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:59:17 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike T Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? In-Reply-To: <281022f1.36ad42ff@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since these 4 'kids' are around 18 or so, I am willing to bet they are Internet aware. Perhaps they will pop into our list for a bit of discussion. If they did, hypothetically, what would you all say to them directly? It is one thing to say the salesman should have pushed them towards one bike or another, but of course any bike could kill an inexperienced or unprepared rider. The bikes they chose just raide the risk quite a bit. So, what would you say to them? Go take the MSF course? Practice every weekend in parking lots before hitting real traffic? Hook up with an experienced rider? Considering their age and they general mental attitude of a late teen, I am willing to bet they would not act on our sound advice, nor would they seek it. .02 _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 In bed for the winter. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 26 23:19:04 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02980 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA04954; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:18:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <007201be49ac$68e6a0a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "Kirk Roy" Cc: "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 23:20:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 What really sucks though is that Arlington DOES NOT have Speedvision... so everyone will be stuck watching the football game instead. :-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) To: Kirk Roy Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday >Hmmmmm... what superbowl!!!!! :) I thought it was a superBIKE party!!! >he he hehe Nothing like watching Haga flat track his YZF750 into the >corners... > >Kirk Roy wrote: >> >> Anyone with speedvision ought to check out the schedule on sunday. >> Starting at 2:00pm there will be 7 World Superbike races (Phillip Island, >> Monza, Kyalami, Laguna Seca 1+2, Netherlands, and Sugo) and 3 AMA >> Superbike races (Road Atlanta 1+2 and Road America). >> >> Unfortunately, one tape will not capture the 10.5 hours of racing that >> will be shown and I plan to be on the dirt ride and at the superbowl >> party... At least I'll get a couple races taped. >> >> Kirk > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LT, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >(racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 00:58:34 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04442 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:58:32 -0500 (EST) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-221-100.s69.as5.rkv.erols.com [207.172.221.100]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA05652; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:57:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AED49E.4825@erols.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:55:58 -0800 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dthompso1@XXXXXX, Turnip@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Impact Wrench / Clutch work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks dawn, thompson and Hugh for the responses - THE BIKE IS NOW OPERATIONAL. I ended up driving to Sears and purchasing a manual impact wrench (Montgomery Mall didn't have one but White Oaks did). The last time I saw one of those was back home - my neighbor who is my dad's best friend had every tool known to man and was especially proud of this one. Anyway it worked great - i can't believe i waited so long to have one. Better still - unlike the electrical ones that start at $140 - it doesn't need its own tool box - fits nicely in mine (which is gettting WAY too heavy). Thanks again. I'm on the road so look out for a blue/white/dirty DR650. Niv DR650 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 01:05:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04594 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA07354 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:05:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id BAA09493 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:05:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:01:17 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Mike T" , Subject: RE: be on the lookout - are they among us? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:07:55 -0500 Message-ID: <02fb01be49bb$61a88a60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990126225332.048836f0@www.troutman.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > So, what would you say to them? Go take the MSF course? Practice every > weekend in parking lots before hitting real traffic? Hook up with an > experienced rider? Many times over. I'd also not attend a DC Cycles ride where any of them were attending as well. >Considering their age and they general mental attitude > of a late teen, I am willing to bet they would not act on our > sound advice, > nor would they seek it. Just because the advice wasn't sought doesn't mean DC-Cycles won't give it;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 01:07:40 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04613 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 00:53:53 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: Moto Friendly banks?? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: <02f801be49ba$58ac8ac0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC96F@MSCEX> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Valley National Bank. Most State Farm Ins. Co. offices can do you the paperwork. They've given me used car rates on two different bikes. (Around 10-11%) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 06:38:07 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10565 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:38:06 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DKRGa07017; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:34:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:34:52 EST To: Spike574@XXXXXX, ZX6RKAW@XXXXXX, Gcfnb@XXXXXX, DGaeng@XXXXXX, JMille5592@XXXXXX, BOOKEMinDC@XXXXXX, Carolbiker@XXXXXX, MOTOCYCLER@XXXXXX, PROBIKE4U@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, true@XXXXXX, BBtintop@XXXXXX, SEVENSPEAR@XXXXXX, JLarsen930@XXXXXX, ERICARCHER@XXXXXX, Prsdntlbch@XXXXXX, KAT88888@XXXXXX, fdinata@XXXXXX, OsbornKev@XXXXXX, snake69@XXXXXX, LBKIII@XXXXXX, SMITHCAR69@XXXXXX, HarleyDew@XXXXXX, Wizzette32@XXXXXX, Hdavbabe@XXXXXX, JTEE007@XXXXXX, Peter@XXXXXX, imidysa@XXXXXX, SJordan185@XXXXXX, rockwood_lelia@XXXXXX, GUFEAR@XXXXXX, LaceWheels@XXXXXX, Ruffinmug@XXXXXX, PhntomNK@XXXXXX, pgerhardt@XXXXXX, nicole@XXXXXX, Chuckbiker@XXXXXX, Onebil2mny@XXXXXX, Dadnhisboy@XXXXXX, Postman53@XXXXXX, Geeshaw@XXXXXX, Panda098@XXXXXX, EZRyder421@XXXXXX, RWitten69@XXXXXX, Ladytaz47@XXXXXX, FRexach@XXXXXX, TIM88RG@XXXXXX, Ndmny@XXXXXX, POSTDSR@XXXXXX, robin_m_gilliam@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **OOPS!** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Rumors, Friday, JANUARY 29.... exact location tonight. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 07:17:04 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11140 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-97.s97.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.97]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id HAA01831 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:16:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AF0B26.20651EA3@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:48:38 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday References: <007201be49ac$68e6a0a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Picture this......Take a really really long piece of coaxial cable........ ;-) Collin Thomas and Jeannette wrote: > > What really sucks though is that Arlington DOES NOT have Speedvision... so > everyone will be stuck watching the football game instead. :-) > > -Tom > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 07:20:26 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11219 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.172.20] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A354CC70146; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:15:16 EST Message-ID: <36AF04AC.BB8435DB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:21:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: what is up with gas prices... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ...in the Dale City area? Two different stations (Sheetz & Crown) on the P.W. Parkway were selling gas real cheap lately. Last night regular unleaded (87 Octane) was $0.58 a gallon (that's right, 57 and 9/10 CENTS per gallon)!!! =8^D I'm not complaining, by any means! Both stations are only a mile away from my house. Time to go ride! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 07:31:10 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11403 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:31:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271231.HAA11403@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:31:05 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 04:31:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > ...in the Dale City area? Two different stations (Sheetz & Crown) > on the P.W. Parkway were selling gas real cheap lately. Last night > regular unleaded (87 Octane) was $0.58 a gallon (that's right, 57 > and 9/10 CENTS per gallon)!!! =8^D > DAMN.. it's worth riding down there just to buy gas.. it's still over a $1/gal here in MD.. ugh.. not that I care. It's just money. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 07:42:14 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc012.army.mil (Pentagon-DADC012.army.mil [134.11.235.12]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11560 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc012.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F012FB3@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:41:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) That's all it is Brian. Remember there are no luggage racks on a Hurst! Spend it! Glenn > DAMN.. it's worth riding down there just to buy gas.. it's still over a > $1/gal here in MD.. ugh.. not that I care. It's just money. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 08:09:11 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11945 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03124; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:11:12 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032A6D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:11:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Man...that is awesome...wroth goign a little out of the way for when we visit the inlaws down in woodbridge....It's been aroun $0.75 down there for months now, but $0.58 is great!! On Wednesday, January 27, 1999 8:02 AM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: > ...in the Dale City area? Two different stations (Sheetz & Crown) > on the P.W. Parkway were selling gas real cheap lately. Last night > regular unleaded (87 Octane) was $0.58 a gallon (that's right, 57 > and 9/10 CENTS per gallon)!!! =8^D > > I'm not complaining, by any means! Both stations are only a mile > away from my house. Time to go ride! :) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 08:18:12 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12094 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13911 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:18:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:18:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... In-Reply-To: <199901271231.HAA11403@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > ...in the Dale City area? Two different stations (Sheetz & Crown) > > on the P.W. Parkway were selling gas real cheap lately. Last night > > regular unleaded (87 Octane) was $0.58 a gallon (that's right, 57 > > and 9/10 CENTS per gallon)!!! =8^D > > DAMN.. it's worth riding down there just to buy gas.. it's still over a > $1/gal here in MD.. ugh.. not that I care. It's just money. While not quite $0.58/gal regular hasn't been over $1 in MD for quite some time. I've seen it below $0.90 in Laurel. You must be buying in the wrong place Brian. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 08:24:42 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12182 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA14006 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:24:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:24:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday In-Reply-To: <36AF0B26.20651EA3@geocities.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Picture this......Take a really really long piece of coaxial > cable........ I'm off to Radio Shack this very minute... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 08:35:19 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send202.yahoomail.com (send202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.126]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12412 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:35:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990127133200.25072.rocketmail@send202.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:32:00 PST Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:32:00 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii no B.S.last night Tom T and I went out and saw the same prices.... .58 cents/gal.....and premiun was only .71/gal i hope it stays that way thru summer.... > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > > regular unleaded (87 Octane) was $0.58 a gallon (that's right, 57 > > > and 9/10 CENTS per gallon)!!! =8^D _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 08:43:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12501 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA13420 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA27236 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256706.004A8C64 ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:34:16 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256706.004A6CE6.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:34:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline OK, I'll bring the F connectors and the crimp tool. Steve On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > Picture this......Take a really really long piece of coaxial > cable........ I'm off to Radio Shack this very minute... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 08:44:55 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12515 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:44:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzza17657 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256706.004B8A5C ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:45:06 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles Message-ID: <85256706.004B89F5.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:39:24 -0500 Subject: WOO HOO! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I rode in to my new job for the first time today & the parking attendant waved me in without giving me a ticket. He said, "Just find somewhere to fit." Yippee!!!! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 08:46:07 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12586 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 08:46:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271346.IAA12586@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:45:50 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:45:47 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) you tape the first 4 hours.. I'll tape the next 4.. someone else want to volunteer to cetch the last couple? Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 8:24 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday > > > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Picture this......Take a really really long piece of coaxial > > cable........ > > I'm off to Radio Shack this very minute... > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:01:02 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.128]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12856 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:01:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990127135751.6513.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send204.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:57:51 PST Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 05:57:51 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: WOO HOO! To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congrats.... hopefully you will get the same attendent on the way out.... and they won't say "Lost your ticket, well that will be an extra $10 on top of the parking fee" Lucky for today.....hope that your luck holds out... ---Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > I rode in to my new job for the first time today & the parking attendant waved > me in without giving me a ticket. He said, "Just find somewhere to fit." > Yippee!!!! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:19:34 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13091 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:19:33 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FGWFa04297 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:16:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:16:43 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Moto Friendly banks?? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 The best rate I found for financing a new bike is through F&M Bank. They'll finance 80% upto 4 years for 7.9%. I recently heard that they may have upped the rate to 8.25%. But it's still the best deal going. In second place came Crestar Bank at a whopping 12.99%. I don't know of anyone that will finance a used bike. In 1998 I couldn't find any bank that would finance a 1996 Ducati Monster M900, 0 miles, still in a crate at the dealership. Apparently, the banks considered it a USED bike and wouldn't touch it. hope this helps, -matt From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:21:32 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay5.UU.NET (relay5.UU.NET [192.48.96.15]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13170 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:21:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay5.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzzd09848 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256706.004F0573 ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:23:07 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: dc-cycles Message-ID: <85256706.004F0540.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:17:25 -0500 Subject: Re: WOO HOO! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Then they will suffer the wrath of a redhead. ; ) - Jeannette c j on 01/27/99 08:57:51 AM To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: WOO HOO! Congrats.... hopefully you will get the same attendent on the way out.... and they won't say "Lost your ticket, well that will be an extra $10 on top of the parking fee" Lucky for today.....hope that your luck holds out... > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:21:50 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13173 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-201.s10.as4.war.erols.com [207.172.109.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02245 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:21:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271421.JAA02245@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: tankbags Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:26:00 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gang, I am looking for a tankbag for my VFR. Anyone have any suggestions as to what to get and where to get it? TIA. Danny '96 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:33:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13361 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14215 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (known imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA28694 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:33:41 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EPYGa26290 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:33:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:33:08 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/26/99 11:06:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike@XXXXXX writes: << Considering their age and they general mental attitude of a late teen, I am willing to bet they would not act on our sound advice, nor would they seek it. >> Darwin's Law, anyone? Or how about "a little Chlorine for the gene pool"... Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:34:05 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.127]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13364 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:34:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990127143400.15471.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:34:00 PST Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: WOO HOO! To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lookout..... I have heard that this is worse than a herd of charging harley riders heading for a Free Food and Beer Bash... ---Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > Then they will suffer the wrath of a redhead. ; ) > > - Jeannette > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:34:20 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13367 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:34:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271434.JAA13367@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:34:15 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: tankbags Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:34:11 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > > Gang, > > I am looking for a tankbag for my VFR. Anyone have any > suggestions as to > what to get and where to get it? > TIA. > General census indicates that top quality tankbags are limited to RKA (http://www.rka-luggage.com - or something like that), or Helimot tank bags. Both are in the $100's for pricing, but both will offer an almost unlimited lifetime of use... Personally.. I bought something cheap 2 years ago and have been making do with that ever since ($25 for a tank bag and saddle bags.. used) Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:40:49 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13484 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:40:47 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA26851; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:40:27 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa26411; Wed, 27 Jan 99 09:37:01 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6800L6938YDX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256706.004FEFA7 ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:33:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:29:29 -0500 Subject: RE: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <85256706.004FAF6A.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You guys know how to set your VCR to "SLP" mode don't you? That mode will last 6 hours on a regular tape and 8 hours on a long-play tape (I think). FYI: "EP"=Extended Play, "LP"=Long Play, "SLP"=Super Long Play (or something like that) Chris Weaver you tape the first 4 hours.. I'll tape the next 4.. someone else want to volunteer to cetch the last couple? Brian ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:41:45 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13487 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA26461; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:40:41 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma025320; Wed, 27 Jan 99 09:35:54 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6800M2136H6K@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256706.004FCE58 ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:31:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:26:53 -0500 Subject: Re: what is up with gas prices... To: Dale Horstman Cc: DC Cycles Message-id: <85256706.004F7175.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Better not tell that to any Europeans that you know. Don't the Brits pay something like 4 pounds (that's what... 6 bucks?) for a liter of gas? Yikes! Chris "Boooorn in the USA" Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:43:49 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13596 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:43:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271443.JAA13596@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:43:45 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:43:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) people who spent more than $100 need only apply for this one. I can do SP and LP.. LP gives really low quality.. so I can do 4 hours (give or take 15 minutes) > You guys know how to set your VCR to "SLP" mode don't you? > That mode will From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:44:36 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13600 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10238; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:46:49 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032A76@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'c j'" , Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles Subject: RE: WOO HOO! Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:46:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From 5 years of marriage to a redhead, I can personally say that it is worse...much much worse!! :) (good thing she doesn't read these messages ;-)) On Wednesday, January 27, 1999 9:43 AM, c j [SMTP:got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX] wrote: > Lookout..... > I > have heard that this is worse than a herd of charging > harley riders heading for a Free Food and Beer Bash... > > ---Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > > > > > > > > Then they will suffer the wrath of a redhead. ; ) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:54:50 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13779 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:54:46 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzzf13329 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256706.0052026A ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:55:45 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT cc: "'dc'" Message-ID: <85256706.00520199.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:50:02 -0500 Subject: RE: tankbags Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I love my eclipse magnetic tankbag. I've had absolutely no problems with it and it's very roomy. - Jeannette From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 09:57:14 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13849 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:57:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA16066 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:56:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:56:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Moto Friendly banks?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 Lordorange@XXXXXX wrote: > The best rate I found for financing a new bike is through F&M Bank. They'll > finance 80% upto 4 years for 7.9%. I recently heard that they may have upped > the rate to 8.25%. But it's still the best deal going. Hmmm, I got 8.5% for 5 years through BankOne (www.bankone.com). That was in December... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:17:14 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14223 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:13:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: <030a01be4a08$879909a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199901271231.HAA11403@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Come down south of the Beltway. Last I checked, it was around 89 cents per gallon in some places in Waldorf. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 7:31 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... > > > > ...in the Dale City area? Two different stations (Sheetz & Crown) > > on the P.W. Parkway were selling gas real cheap lately. Last night > > regular unleaded (87 Octane) was $0.58 a gallon (that's right, 57 > > and 9/10 CENTS per gallon)!!! =8^D > > > > DAMN.. it's worth riding down there just to buy gas.. it's still over a > $1/gal here in MD.. ugh.. not that I care. It's just money. > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:18:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14234 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14859 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00235 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:18:15 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256706.00534D84 ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:09:53 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256706.005338C2.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:09:50 -0500 Subject: RE: WOO HOO! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline (good thing she doesn't read these messages ;-)) We can remedy that. ;-) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:18:37 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14237 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:14:49 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:21:33 -0500 Message-ID: <030b01be4a08$b8ff85a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Actually, Brian might still be talking about 91-93 octane, while Dale was referring to 87?? (BTW, 1981 Wings only call for 86. And don't ping on it either!) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 8:18 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... > > > On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > > ...in the Dale City area? Two different stations (Sheetz & Crown) > > > on the P.W. Parkway were selling gas real cheap lately. Last night > > > regular unleaded (87 Octane) was $0.58 a gallon (that's right, 57 > > > and 9/10 CENTS per gallon)!!! =8^D > > > > DAMN.. it's worth riding down there just to buy gas.. it's still over a > > $1/gal here in MD.. ugh.. not that I care. It's just money. > > While not quite $0.58/gal regular hasn't been over $1 in MD for quite some > time. I've seen it below $0.90 in Laurel. You must be buying in the wrong > place Brian. > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:18:54 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14240 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F012FC5@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: tankbags Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:18:09 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Got to agree with Brian here. I bought an RKA for my VFR and it is one nice bag. A bit pricey but well worth the money. One of the things I truly like about the bag is that is attaches in three spots on the bike, not two like most manufactures. Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [SMTP:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 9:34 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: tankbags > > > > > Gang, > > > > I am looking for a tankbag for my VFR. Anyone have any > > suggestions as to > > what to get and where to get it? > > TIA. > > > > General census indicates that top quality tankbags are limited to RKA > (http://www.rka-luggage.com - or something like that), or Helimot tank > bags. > Both are in the $100's for pricing, but both will offer an almost > unlimited > lifetime of use... Personally.. I bought something cheap 2 years ago and > have been making do with that ever since ($25 for a tank bag and saddle > bags.. used) > > Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:22:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14352 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14897 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (known gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA00343 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for mimsy.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.8]) with SMTP; 27 Jan 1999 15:22:25 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA20976 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:22:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:22:24 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > << Considering their age and they general mental attitude > of a late teen, I am willing to bet they would not act on our sound advice, > nor would they seek it. >> > > Darwin's Law, anyone? Or how about "a little Chlorine for the gene pool"... > > Jack Not to get pedantic, but Social Darwinism doesn't work. Never has, never will. Stupid people being stupid, yes.. but trust me, its not as simple as stupid people being bred out of the gene pool. If it were, it would have happened a long time ago. OBMotoContent: I got pulled over by a motorcycle cop yesterday. He was very nice, polite, and friendly. Till he gave me the summons. Bastard. See? had the word "Motorcycle" in it. Alex. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:29:42 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14458 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:29:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id KAA29078 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id KAA29065 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id KAA00654 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id KAA00644 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:31:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990127102730.01246e10@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:27:30 -0500 To: From: Brad Subject: Speaking of tankbags... In-Reply-To: <199901271434.JAA13367@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Looking to buy a new tankbag to go with the new bike. Anyone have experience with magnetic tankbags? Do they work? Meaning that, I don't need a crowbar to get it off the bike, but it also doesn't tend to slip off while whizzing down the road? TIA, --Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:32:33 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14538 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13683 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:34:32 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032A7B@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:34:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Nah..the Brain is a cheap SOB like me and puts 89 in the VFR (maxim only gets 87) On Wednesday, January 27, 1999 10:33 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Actually, Brian might still be talking about 91-93 octane, while Dale was > referring to 87?? > > (BTW, 1981 Wings only call for 86. And don't ping on it either!) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:38:54 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14641 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:38:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271538.KAA14641@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:38:48 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: tankbags Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 07:38:45 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) The Reason I like Helimots bags are because they, too, attach at 3 REAL points (the headstock only counts as 1). But they're also very modular.. you have a base piece.. to that you can attach only the map pouch, a lower (small) bag with the map on top of the bag, or 2 bags with the map on top of the all.. actually, you can use the big bag, base, and map pouch too.. and combination you can think of. Down side.. it only comes in Black.. RKA can do custom colours, and they're a bit cheaper... small, family business, that's grown up a lot. They have a VERY good customer base because they do things right.. and it's been that way for at Least 3 years (which is when I first heard of them).. Anyway.. enough blathering... Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:40:40 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14648 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA17338 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:40:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:40:08 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Speaking of tankbags... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990127102730.01246e10@ns2.pgcc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Brad wrote: > Looking to buy a new tankbag to go with the new bike. Anyone have > experience with magnetic tankbags? Do they work? Meaning that, I don't need > a crowbar to get it off the bike, but it also doesn't tend to slip off > while whizzing down the road? Whether or not it will slip off depends on matching the bag to the shape of your tank. I've carried cast iron brake rotors off my car in my mag bag on one bike without problems. Even empty or with a light load it won't go flying off. However, on a little, narrow tank (e.g., Yam Radian) it won't stay on at all. The mag bags are on the market because they work. You won't have the luxury of laying down on the bag when on a long trip though. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:46:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14811 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:46:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA15299 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA01933 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256706.0055E9FC ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:38:24 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Brad cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256706.0055948E.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:38:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Speaking of tankbags... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Mine sticks very well until about 85 or 90 mph. Beyond that it needs an additional bungie cord to keep it in place. Also make sure that your tank is made of steel. I know of a Kawasaki Concours owner that went to buy a magnetic tanks bag once, only to find out that his tank was made out of aluminum. Needless to say, it didn't stick very well. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 10:56:24 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14958 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 79; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:55:38 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990127105413.02120660@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:55:36 -0500 To: Brad , From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Speaking of tankbags... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990127102730.01246e10@ns2.pgcc.net> References: <199901271434.JAA13367@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 1/27/99 , Brad wrote: >Looking to buy a new tankbag to go with the new bike. Anyone have >experience with magnetic tankbags? Do they work? Meaning that, I don't need >a crowbar to get it off the bike, but it also doesn't tend to slip off >while whizzing down the road? Mine holds tight until I hit 80Mph or a very windy day. But my bike is naked, so the air tends to grab the bag quite a bit. A small fiaring would keep it in place with no trouble. The magnets don't seem to harm the tank, either. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:00:09 1999 Return-Path: fnord@XXXXXX Received: from sasami.jurai.net (fnord@XXXXXX [207.153.65.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15124 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fnord@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA19624; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:59:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:59:52 -0500 From: Elie Rosenblum To: George Howell Cc: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: RE: what is up with gas prices... Message-ID: <19990127105952.A19552@cosanostra.net> References: <030b01be4a08$b8ff85a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <030b01be4a08$b8ff85a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC>; from George Howell on Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:21:33AM -0500 X-Illuminati: Can you see the fnords? X-Cthulhu: HASTUR And thus spake George Howell, on Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:21:33AM -0500: > (BTW, 1981 Wings only call for 86. And don't ping on it either!) Can't you advance the ignition to take advantage of 93, though? -- Elie Rosenblum '83 Datsun PU (beater/hauler) 2.4L I4 http://www.cosanostra.net '75 Volvo 164E (disassembled) 3.0L I6 Admin / Mercenary / System Programmer '74 Honda CB750 (fun) .74L I4 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:02:31 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15154 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:02:30 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzzk14292; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256706.0057E60A ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:00:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: Brad cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256706.0057E56D.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:54:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Speaking of tankbags... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Mine's magnetic, the Eclipse tank bag. It's easy to take off and never budges while flying down the road. Just watch out when you pass metal poles too closely! ; ) - Jeannette Brad on 01/27/99 10:27:30 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Speaking of tankbags... Looking to buy a new tankbag to go with the new bike. Anyone have experience with magnetic tankbags? Do they work? Meaning that, I don't need a crowbar to get it off the bike, but it also doesn't tend to slip off while whizzing down the road? TIA, --Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:06:14 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15233 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA31312; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:02:16 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990127160507.XZHF1406@toddnt>; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:05:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:03:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01be4a0e$a3ec1bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Well, Tom Zell. Hope you got cable!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 9:25 PM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday > > > Anyone with speedvision ought to check out the schedule on sunday. > Starting at 2:00pm there will be 7 World Superbike races (Phillip Island, > Monza, Kyalami, Laguna Seca 1+2, Netherlands, and Sugo) and 3 AMA > Superbike races (Road Atlanta 1+2 and Road America). > > Unfortunately, one tape will not capture the 10.5 hours of racing that > will be shown and I plan to be on the dirt ride and at the superbowl > party... At least I'll get a couple races taped. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15236 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from voyager.cris.com (voyager [206.173.119.82]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA22494; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:07:08 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by voyager.cris.com (8.8.5) id LAA12019; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:07:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:07:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: WOO HOO! In-Reply-To: <85256706.004F0540.00@172.16.2.37> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Wow, first day on the job and already reading dc-cycles. ;-p ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Then they will suffer the wrath of a redhead. ; ) > > - Jeannette > > > > > > c j on 01/27/99 08:57:51 AM > > > To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX > cc: dc-cycles (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: WOO HOO! > > > > > > Congrats.... > > hopefully you will get the same attendent on the way out.... > and > they won't say > "Lost your ticket, well that will be an extra $10 on top of the > parking fee" > > Lucky for today.....hope that your luck holds out... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:16:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15464 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15803 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03619 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ABD770292; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990127111941.00ff8160@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:22:40 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D In-Reply-To: <99d57623.36accc5f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:56 PM 1/25/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >I was just rear-ended by a van while I was stopped at a red light waiting for it >to turn green. I managed to delete Dale Horstman's account of the same thing happening when he was driving his car, and being unable to avoid since he was in a car. On a bike he could have pulled up between the cars (or used the acceleration to blow through the intersection, I guess). This is a perfect example of a story to use the next time someone says "Uncle-Charlie-got-hurt-on-a-bike-so-no-one-in-the-family-ever-rode-again". I've used that same example and got people to admit that bikes have some advantages and that you're never totally safe. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:16:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15463 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15801 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03613 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id ABE070292; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:16:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990127111748.00fed140@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:19:39 -0500 To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Let's Be Careful Out There (no gore) :D In-Reply-To: <99d57623.36accc5f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:56 PM 1/25/99 , JinnSinn@XXXXXX wrote: >Just to keep the dreaded Cage Meets Bike scenario fresh in everyone's mind - I >was just rear-ended by a van while I was stopped at a red light waiting for it >to turn green. When I asked him what happened, he shrugged and said "the >brakes aren't working right" ...... I DID get all his info and fortunately he >must have only been going about 2 miles an hour as the only problems I can see >are a now loose and wobbly taillight, a scratch on the paint on the rear >section, and a bent rear reflector. It didn't even knock me over. Glad you're okay. I bet it all got scarier as the day went on! I wonder if the police would do anything if you told them about it and said he reported "the brakes aren't working right" - police can force you to park the car and walk if you have any safety related defect ... like BRAKES! it's a jungle out there, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:17:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15477 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15813 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:17:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA03674 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:17:42 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256706.0058BE79 ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:09:19 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256706.005861E8.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:09:18 -0500 Subject: Re: WOO HOO! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Wow, first day on the job and already reading dc-cycles. ;-p But of course. You don't think Jeannette would let trivial things like employment get in the way of enjoying important stuff like motorcycles do you? I know that I don't. ;-) Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:18:59 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15494 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:18:12 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F012FD3@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Speaking of tankbags... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:18:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Also if you are a computer geek and carry diskettes or listen to tapes you will want to stay away from the magnetic bags. Glenn > Mine's magnetic, the Eclipse tank bag. It's easy to take off and never > budges > while flying down the road. Just watch out when you pass metal poles too > closely! ; ) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:20:11 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15581 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQfzzl00304; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256706.0059E02C ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:21:40 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" cc: dc-cycles Message-ID: <85256706.0059DE12.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:15:53 -0500 Subject: Re: WOO HOO! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Nah, 2nd week on the job! : ) "Hugh A. Caldwell" on 01/27/99 11:07:07 AM To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: WOO HOO! Wow, first day on the job and already reading dc-cycles. ;-p ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Then they will suffer the wrath of a redhead. ; ) > > - Jeannette > > > > > > c j on 01/27/99 08:57:51 AM > > > To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX > cc: dc-cycles (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) > Subject: Re: WOO HOO! > > > > > > Congrats.... > > hopefully you will get the same attendent on the way out.... > and > they won't say > "Lost your ticket, well that will be an extra $10 on top of the > parking fee" > > Lucky for today.....hope that your luck holds out... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:25:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15632 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15968 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (known ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA04012 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA22191; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:25:04 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990127162524.YCWY1406@toddnt>; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:25:24 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike T" , Subject: RE: be on the lookout - are they among us? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:24:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001001be4a11$77e26de0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990126225332.048836f0@www.troutman.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Mike Troutman wrote: > Since these 4 'kids' are around 18 or so, I am willing to bet they are > Internet aware. Perhaps they will pop into our list for a bit of > discussion. If they did, hypothetically, what would you all say to them > directly? It is one thing to say the salesman should have pushed them > towards one bike or another, but of course any bike could kill an > inexperienced or unprepared rider. The bikes they chose just raide the > risk quite a bit. > > So, what would you say to them? Go take the MSF course? Practice every > weekend in parking lots before hitting real traffic? Hook up with an > experienced rider? Considering their age and they general mental attitude > of a late teen, I am willing to bet they would not act on our > sound advice, > nor would they seek it. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Then exactly, what would they be doing here (for very long)? If they are 'internet aware' and wanted to 'pop into our list for a bit of discussion', I don't think anyone who has said anything about this subject wouldn't just say it to them directly. I would. Assuming you're correct about the age and mental attitude, I'm not so sure they'd find this list very interesting in any case. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:30:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15790 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF1C19006E; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:30:20 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990127112420.00feb330@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:25:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: WOO HOO! In-Reply-To: <85256706.004B89F5.00@172.16.2.37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:39 AM 1/27/99 , Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: >I rode in to my new job for the first time today & the parking attendant waved >me in without giving me a ticket. He said, "Just find somewhere to fit." >Yippee!!!! >- Jeannette Wonderful! Get that person's name, and find out what their favorite candy bar is (gotta use some positive reinforcement right away!) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 11:51:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16138 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16398 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA05278 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:51:07 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MBWWa23166 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:46:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49795027.36af42e1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:46:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 In a message dated 1/27/99 11:32:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Then exactly, what would they be doing here (for very long)? If they are 'internet aware' and wanted to 'pop into our list for a bit of discussion', I don't think anyone who has said anything about this subject wouldn't just say it to them directly. I would. Assuming you're correct about the age and mental attitude, I'm not so sure they'd find this list very interesting in any case. Todd >> >From being on this list for just under a year now, Im sure that most people on this list would just come out and say what weve all been talking about. Sometimes you have to be blunt, but just as earlier comments suggest, these kids probably wouldnt give two clicks of thought about it. Granted, Im only 19, but I have taken the MSF course, going to take the advanced in the spring, as well as the marrc-rrs in may, not for the track, but to help overall riding ability. My point is, if these people were serious about motorcycles and riding for a while, they wouldve looked into lists like this, and they wouldve taken courses, or practiced, but they didnt. Which makes me believe that it was all on a whim. Not a good thing when it comes to motorcycling. Just my 2 cents.... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 12:06:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16429 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:06:12 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id LAA23254; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:00:42 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa23017; Wed, 27 Jan 99 11:58:20 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F680076I9TD2S@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256706.005CEFF8 ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:55:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:51:34 -0500 Subject: RE: Speaking of tankbags... To: "'DC Cycles'" Message-id: <85256706.005CAFF8.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL As for magnetic tankbags... What about minidiscs? Are they based on magnetic media (like diskettes) or optical (like CDs)? I'm new to minidiscs, and wouldn't want to buy a tankbag that will start erasing them. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 12:10:51 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16465 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:10:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271710.MAA16465@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:10:24 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: bah.... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:10:21 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > Granted, Im only > 19, but I have taken the MSF course, going to take the > advanced in the spring, > as well as the marrc-rrs in may, not for the track, but to > help overall riding > ability. Good idea.. the MARRC-RRS (all 1 hour of track time and 4 hours of class time) gave me a HUGE boost in confidence and ability. I think that a track day would do even more for any rider, no matter what bike you're on. > My point is, if these people were serious about > motorcycles and > riding for a while, they wouldve looked into lists like this, > and they wouldve > taken courses, or practiced, but they didnt. Which makes me > believe that it > was all on a whim. Not a good thing when it comes to motorcycling. Hey, I started riding on a whim.. that and I wanted to look cool to the girls when I pulled up to, and away from the local bars in Bozeman, MT (yes, I got plastered and rode my bike.. on dark, twisty, unmarked, deer infested roads at high rates of speed.. see, Darwin doesn't ALWAYS win.. *grin*) Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 12:20:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16709 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17005 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA07071 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZY2RX3H; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:19:14 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: on the lookout for the Dead Pool Message-ID: <19990123.160114.2839.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <5b4f6f61.36aaefad@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,8-9,14-15,22-24,31 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:19:14 EST On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 05:02:21 EST STARAI@XXXXXX writes: >Do dealers check for a valid drivers lisence? 1. You don't have to have a license to BUY a motorcycle. You only have to have a license to RIDE a motorcycle. If you want to ride home from the dealership, the dealer is required to verify that you are license to do so. However, if you buy a bike and have it delivered to your house, what you do with it after that is up to you. 2. The dealer is not required to ask for verification of insurance unless you finance the bike, at which point the financing company requires proof of insurance. If you pay cash, and you check the "I have insurance" box on the temporary registration, there is nothing the dealer can do about it if you're lying. A sharp eye and a little conversation with the customer can usually give you a clue what his skill level is, but you can be fooled. Some salesmen (ours included) will try to steer new riders away from something that might be too much for them. But in the end, if a rookie wants an R1(or 2 Ninja 900s and 2 Ducatis), there isn't much you can do to prevent him from buying what he wants. He'll get his bikes, but only by complying with the above items. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. Those boys were fools to take on such hot bikes with little or no riding experience. It's too bad the other dealer didn't recognize their inexperience. It was morbid to start a Dead Pool, but not exactly wrong. We have often wondered whether some (licensed) riders who've left our lot would survive the ride home. There have been times when we wished we could sell life insurance to boys like them. I hope they don't get more seriously hurt. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 12:37:59 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16982 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA06743 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id MAA06738 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id MAA07980 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id MAA07976 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:40:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990127123555.01255670@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:35:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: RE: Speaking of tankbags / Sunday ride? In-Reply-To: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F012FD3@dadc040.hqda.pentag on.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:18 AM 1/27/99 -0500, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Also if you are a computer geek and carry diskettes or listen to tapes you >will want to stay away from the magnetic bags. Hmmm, I do carry disks occasionally, but I can work around that. << Dumb question mode >> I use a CD player... so the media won't be hurt, but do you think I'll run into problems with the magnets / read head on the CD player? << Dumb question mode off >> If anyone is up for a liesurely ride on Sunday, I'd probably be interested. I pick the bike up on Sat., so Sunday will be a somewhat slow ride for reasons of both break-in and getting used to the bike. (Ignore the fact that I'm not all that fast anyway.) Anyone heard anything on the weather? Prefer the ride to be in Maryland (Jon, Fred??), but could ride to Virginia... --Brad From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 12:44:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17083 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17416 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id MAA08214 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:44:33 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TCBLa03538; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:36:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:36:59 EST To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: on the lookout for the Dead Pool- insurance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 bikes-r-us said: >2. The dealer is not required to ask for verification of insurance unless >you finance the bike, at which point the financing company requires proof >of insurance. If you pay cash, and you check the "I have insurance" box >on the temporary registration, there is nothing the dealer can do about >it if you're lying. Why isn't proof of insurance required in all cases? I was once hit by a 5.0 mustang that had been purchased the day before by an 18 year old from a used car lot - the sleazy kind, the kind on a corner in a bad neighborhood, the kind with a trailer for an office. They had let him drive off without insurance. It turns out that this was a big violation of California law (where this happened), and I was able to collect from the company which insured the car lot! I spent three weeks in hospitals and a nursing home, so I really needed to collect. The medical bills were unbelievable. I also was unable to work for a while, and I had some significant property losses. That car lot is out of business now, and I don't feel sorry for them. They lost their insurance after this incident and were unable to get another company to pick them up. Too bad. If they had done what they were supposed to do, that kid wouldn't have been going 75 mph the wrong way up a city street the next day. I'm heading to California tomorrow morning, I'll make it a point to steer clear of all mustangs! Colleen From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 13:34:50 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA17987 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18201 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:34:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10410 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:34:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZY62XJT; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:34:02 EST To: MotorLE@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: on the lookout for the Dead Pool- insurance Message-ID: <19990123.170222.2839.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,15-17 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:34:02 EST On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:36:59 EST MotorLE@XXXXXX writes: >Why isn't proof of insurance required in all cases? The state requires you to have insurance on your bike if you register it for the street, but does not make it the dealer's responsibility to make sure you've got coverage. If you finance the purchase, the dealer is temporarily acting as an agent of the finance company (sort of) for the purpose of collection of the proper paperwork, signatures and insurance verification. To further complicate things, if the balance of the loan is less than $5000, many of the finance companies will waive proof of insurance altogether. I don't think the finance company is interested in insurance coverage for liability reasons, but rather to be sure they can collect if the bike they own for you is destroyed or stolen. To them, it's a money issue, not a safety issue. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 13:44:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18164 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:44:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18319 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id NAA10759 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id NUBTa23166; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:43:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4566b496.36af5e40@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:43:12 EST To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: on the lookout for the Dead Pool- insurance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 >The state requires you to have insurance on your bike if you register it >for the street, but does not make it the dealer's responsibility to make >sure you've got coverage. I'd rather be hit by someone with insurance and no license (if such a person exists) than by someone with a license and no insurance. I guess if a dealer is required to make sure a person has a license before driving off the lot, they ought to check for insurance as well. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 14:14:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18635 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18768 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (known m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA11788 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZY89HB9; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:12:34 EST To: MotorLE@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: on the lookout for the Dead Pool- insurance Message-ID: <19990123.174049.2839.8.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4566b496.36af5e40@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 6-11,13,15,17-18 From: Bikes R Us Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:12:34 EST The dealer is required to have the person indicate on the temp registration whether the bike is insured, but I'm glad our responsibility technically ends there. However, I always check for a valid license on every deal and I always try to make sure that the person has insurance by pointing out to the customer that lying about the existence of insurance coverage on the temp registration can have very severe legal complications, which it can... In other words, I agree with you. :) JohnDavid@Bikes R Us On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:43:12 EST MotorLE@XXXXXX writes: > >I'd rather be hit by someone with insurance and no license (if such a person >exists) than by someone with a license and no insurance. I guess if a dealer >is required to make sure a person has a license before driving off the lot, >they ought to check for insurance as well. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 14:45:40 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19200 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA22686; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:44:50 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990127194511.ZIVL1406@toddnt>; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:45:11 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" , Subject: RE: Test Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be4a2d$61483b20$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > This is just a test to see if the .. I don't think it will. > > Kirk Guess this answers it. D'oh! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 14:58:18 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19414 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:58:17 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105b5q-0002Xm-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:57:42 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA01263 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08221 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:58:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901271958.OAA08221@shell.clark.net> Subject: Super Velcro? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:58:04 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I will soon be getting a Garmin III+, and plan on velcroing it to the "shelf" above the Concours' gagues. I remember reading before about some material that is similar, but stronger than velcro. Does anyone know the name and/or where I can find this? (I will also have a "safety hook" to be sure it doesn't fall off, but want to be able to use this in my *gasp* car too) Thanks, Louis From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 15:14:27 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19723 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA31224; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:14:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199901272014.PAA31224@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:12:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Super Velcro? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199901271958.OAA08221@shell.clark.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) You can get some pretty strong stuff at Radio Shack... the same as what you get to attach the "Fast Toll" device to your car windshield. It's like velcro, but the hooks/loops are a thick plastic. Do you think you need to dampen vibration at all? I still haven't decided how I'm going to attach my Global Map to my bike. Anita (GPS users of the world unite!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 15:31:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20112 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20236 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net (known [208.206.112.8] [208.206.112.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA14954 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A64A5D00F6; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:25:46 EST Message-ID: <36AF7777.EBC99B60@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:30:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? References: <001001be4a11$77e26de0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, you guys are all a bunch of old bike-riding geezers anyway. What do you know? :) Todd Peer wrote: > > Assuming you're correct about the age and mental attitude, I'm not so sure > they'd find this list very interesting in any case. Dale (4 more days till I'm 30 and a geezer too!) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 15:38:06 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20202 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA01128 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:38:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199901272038.PAA01128@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:36:23 -0500 Subject: An idea for "One Lap of WV" Ride Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, so I should be working, and I'm not! :-) I was trying to figure out what would constitute a "lap"... first I thought of going through every county... well, there are just too many counties in WV! :-) In doing my research for the upcoming (6/99) GPZ rally I noticed that WV is divided into "regions." Not sure if it's a tourism thing, probably is. There are 8 regions: Northern Panhandle Mid-Ohio Valley Metro Valley New River/Greenbrier Valley Mountain Lakes Potomac Highlands Eastern Panhandle Moutaineer Country You can see the regions (and read about them) at the following web page: http://www.westvirginia.com/home.htm I continued to avoid doing work by playing with Street Atlas (conveniently installed on my work PC) and came up with an 850 mile (3 day) route going through Martinsburg, Morgantown, Wheeling, Parkersburg, Charleston, Fayetteville (near the New River Gorge Bridge for Collin), Summersville and Cass. Stopovers could be at Wheeling and Summersville or Cass, which are at about 300 mile intervals. Just an idea ... and much more fun to think about than work! [blech!] :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (may need a couple sets of tires this year!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 15:45:13 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20351 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A9A29300DE; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:40:02 EST Message-ID: <36AF7ACD.D034214F@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:45:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday References: <000f01be4a0e$a3ec1bf0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You guys realize the Superbowl is only 3 hours or so, we can watch alot of the racing at the party! > > Unfortunately, one tape will not capture the 10.5 hours of racing that > > will be shown and I plan to be on the dirt ride and at the superbowl > > party... At least I'll get a couple races taped. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 15:48:28 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20363 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25390 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:48:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:48:22 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday In-Reply-To: <36AF7ACD.D034214F@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > You guys realize the Superbowl is only 3 hours or so, > we can watch alot of the racing at the party! Superbowl? Is that this sunday too? Tortilla chips, chili, variety of cheese, microwave. Now THAT's a SuperBowl! Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 15:53:09 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20462 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA25518 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:53:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? In-Reply-To: <36AF7777.EBC99B60@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > Dale (4 more days till I'm 30 and a geezer too!) Ok, Dale, let's quit pandering for birthday attention! Hmm, 30 years old, a touring bike, stubborn, and opinionated... I'm not sure the 30 year old part makes any difference. Kirk (6 more days till I'm 30) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 15:57:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20539 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20696 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (known dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA16080 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:57:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id OAA28770; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:56:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028735; Wed Jan 27 14:56:09 1999 Message-ID: <36AF7D3C.374181D7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:55:25 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Horstman CC: Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? References: <001001be4a11$77e26de0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <36AF7777.EBC99B60@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale Horstman wrote: > Dale (4 more days till I'm 30 and a geezer too!) > > When I turned 30, I decided you had to be 35 to be a geezer. Then when I turned 35 you had to be 40....I wonder if the age to qualify as a geezer becomes 45 when I turn 40? Ed 92 FJ1200 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 16:17:33 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20881 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id QAA18036; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:17:20 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma014391; Wed, 27 Jan 99 16:07:12 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6800L45LC6TQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:07:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256706.0073B1FD ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:03:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 15:57:34 -0500 Subject: Re: An idea for "One Lap of WV" Ride To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <85256706.007335DD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I know a good campground near Fayetteville, as well as a couple of good eateries in the town. I've spent many weekends there and in Summersville on rock climbing trips (my other passion). Summersville also has Summersville Lake, a great place for swimming and general tomfoolery - not that there'd really be time for that. Avoid staying in Charleston - it's a hole. I have a friend in Parkersburg that I wouldn't mind saying hello to if I joined the trip also. Morgantown is the home of WVU, and as a college town, it should be fun at night. In short, I know a reasonable amount about West Virginia driving, so I might be of some assistance in planning the trip. Let me know if I can help. Chris Weaver ____________ From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: 01/27/99 08:36:23 PM GMT Subject: An idea for "One Lap of WV" Ride Okay, so I should be working, and I'm not! :-) I was trying to figure out what would constitute a "lap"... first I thought of going through every county... well, there are just too many counties in WV! :-) In doing my research for the upcoming (6/99) GPZ rally I noticed that WV is divided into "regions." Not sure if it's a tourism thing, probably is. There are 8 regions: Northern Panhandle Mid-Ohio Valley Metro Valley New River/Greenbrier Valley Mountain Lakes Potomac Highlands Eastern Panhandle Moutaineer Country You can see the regions (and read about them) at the following web page: http://www.westvirginia.com/home.htm I continued to avoid doing work by playing with Street Atlas (conveniently installed on my work PC) and came up with an 850 mile (3 day) route going through Martinsburg, Morgantown, Wheeling, Parkersburg, Charleston, Fayetteville (near the New River Gorge Bridge for Collin), Summersville and Cass. Stopovers could be at Wheeling and Summersville or Cass, which are at about 300 mile intervals. Just an idea ... and much more fun to think about than work! [blech!] :-) Anita '96 GPZ1100 (may need a couple sets of tires this year!) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 16:28:29 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21058 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:28:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A3C8DB00FE; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:23:20 EST Message-ID: <36AF84F5.423C2943@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:28:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirk Roy wrote: > Ok, Dale, let's quit pandering for birthday attention! Who's pandering?!? Isn't my birthday the reason they are holding the Superbowl this year??!? And isn't it the reason for the Party?!?!? And Leon's ride??!?! Whatayamean no?!!! I'm gonna go sulk now... :) > Hmm, 30 years old, a touring bike, stubborn, and opinionated... I'm > not sure the 30 year old part makes any difference. So I've been aspiring for geezerhood all this time, huh? :) > Kirk (6 more days till I'm 30) You young whippersnapper you! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 17:12:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21773 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:12:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA21923 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (known imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id RAA20850 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6LELa23166 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:06:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23359462.36af8df9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:06:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/27/99 4:38:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Who's pandering?!? Isn't my birthday the reason they are holding the Superbowl this year??!? And isn't it the reason for the Party?!?!? And Leon's ride??!?! >> No, its in honor of MY bday. Turned 23 on this, the 27th day of the month of January, year 1999. Jack From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 18:02:33 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22645 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-8.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.49]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA26481 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:02:25 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd01be4a48$b1e49180$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: From here It;'s downhill, er, uphill, er . . . Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:58:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 After bottoming out for several days, the average high temperature goes up by one degree tomorrow to 43 and continues on to summer. (Courtesy Bob Ryan's Almanac) Solace should weather turn ugly, as it can. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Can't wait to see cherry blossoms for the first time Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 18:17:00 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22885 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-35-131.s131.tnt9.brd.erols.com [207.172.35.131]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22755 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:16:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301be4a4a$f0a60500$8323accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: bike for sale Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 18:15:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Hey folks saw an add today at work for a: 1992 Kaw ZX-6 Ninja, black with purple graphics, 11,000 miles. $2,500 OBO... contact Damon at (202) 863-3038 daytime. I saw some pictures of the bike, looks pretty good, a few scratches but garage kept and didn't appear to have been laid down....anyway just thought I would throw it out there for him. I would get it, but I bought a KLR 650 last month....good luck....Les Kat 750... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 19:23:20 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23922 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:23:18 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JEAMa20088; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:02:43 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:02:43 EST To: nomad98@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: **JAN. HAPPY HOUR, FEB. PARTY & OUR NEW CLUB NAME** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/26/99 10:45:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, nomad98@XXXXXX writes: << Regarding the Rumors Happy Hour: I assume that the date is Friday, January 29 not February 29 (no such date in '99). :~) Herb '94 Magna >> My assumption also. However, Rumors is on the corner of 19th and M. I'll probably be there. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 19:52:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24416 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23855 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (known imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28206 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5YUEa03212; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:43:49 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:43:49 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/27/99 5:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << No, its in honor of MY bday. Turned 23 on this, the 27th day of the month of January, year 1999. Jack >> As they used to say on HeeHaw, "SALUTE". :-) Happy B-Day. Scooter (27 years, 6 months, 7 days, and 16 hours) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 20:03:55 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24628 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:03:53 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BCKEa07017 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:55:16 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4c063174.36afb574@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:55:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **AN UPPER CLASS STRIP CLUB IS NEAR OUR GROUP'S HAPPY HOUR** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 RUMORS 19th & M in DC Yes my fellow riders, it has been brought to my attention that Camelot Strip Club (or something to that affect) is located very close to Rumors. Supposedly the who's who of DC frequent this place. No, this is NOT where our Happy Hour is! I'll be at RUMORS at 6:00 wearing an unknown outfit. For those who have met me only on the bike, you won't recognize me without helmet head. I'll be telling several people at the bar and waitstaff to direct you to LilBkrBabe, so don't hesitate to speak up! Remember, there's dancing too, so don't feel as though happy hour is over at 7! Ride Safe and Watch Out for EVERYONE & EVERYTHING! la From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 20:52:05 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25396 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9UEJa15297; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:14:30 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:14:30 EST To: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: WOO HOO! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 At 08:39 AM 1/27/99 , Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX wrote: > >I rode in to my new job for the first time today & the parking attendant > waved > >me in without giving me a ticket. He said, "Just find somewhere to fit." > >Yippee!!!! > >- Jeannette > > > Wonderful! Get that person's name, and find out what their favorite candy > bar is (gotta use some positive reinforcement right away!) YEAH - and hope that some jealous cage-driver doesn't try to have your privilege taken away out sheer nastiness.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 21:29:24 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25984 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id VAA12924 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:29:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AFF64E.14BE@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:31:58 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: [Fwd: FS: 94' VFR400R2] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1E55172F2174" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E55172F2174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know nothing about this..just passing along the info. JK --------------1E55172F2174 Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.clark.net!io.clark.net!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!master.news.rcn.net!not-for-mail From: "Ray" Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike Subject: FS: 94' VFR400R2 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:48:54 -0500 Message-ID: <78lv4i$d1f$1@winter.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: 4j4vqoGoonKdsxD1yGkYeC3CKVIG/ju9+nTCu/3/6TE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@XXXXXX NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 1999 02:54:10 GMT X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 Xref: news.clark.net alt.motorcycle.sportbike:39068 Hi, I am selling ym Honda 1994 VFR 400 R2, It is all white, 7000 Kms., Single Side Swing Arm (its the Elf France / Honda Pro-Arm) Disce brakes, front dual and single in the back. Looks & Runs Great. The bike is being sold as an Off-Road / Race motorcycle. Price: $4500.00 / obo Ray - Baltimore --------------1E55172F2174-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 21:44:16 1999 Return-Path: bnorton@XXXXXX Received: from netgate.anent.com (netgate.anent.com [208.195.115.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26238 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from bruce ([208.195.115.37] (may be forged)) by netgate.anent.com (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA00564; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:47:11 -0500 Message-ID: <022901be4a68$36468cc0$6c73c3d0@bruce> From: "Bruce Norton" To: "John C. Kozyn" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: [Fwd: FS: 94' VFR400R2] Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:45:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sorry, your attachment didn't attach. -----Original Message----- From: John C. Kozyn To: dc-cycles Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 9:40 PM Subject: [Fwd: FS: 94' VFR400R2] >I know nothing about this..just passing along the info. > >JK > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 22:04:18 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26589 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA14133 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:04:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36AFFE7E.12E4@mnsinc.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 22:06:54 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: FS: 94' VFR400R2 (take 2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FS: 94' VFR400R2 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:48:54 -0500 From: "Ray" Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike > Hi, I am selling ym Honda 1994 VFR 400 R2, It is all white, 7000 Kms., > Single Side Swing Arm (its the Elf France / Honda Pro-Arm) Disce brakes, > front dual and single in the back. Looks & Runs Great. The bike is being > sold as an Off-Road / Race motorcycle. Price: $4500.00 / obo > Ray - Baltimore From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 23:16:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27726 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA25742 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (known pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id XAA03115 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:16:08 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr49-dialup34.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.34]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35510) with SMTP id <0F6900ETF53USK@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:14:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:14:20 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: what is up with gas prices... To: dc-cycles Message-id: <003301be4a74$af5caa20$224f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >And thus spake George Howell, on Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 10:21:33AM -0500: >> (BTW, 1981 Wings only call for 86. And don't ping on it either!) > >Can't you advance the ignition to take advantage of 93, though? >Elie Just curious, what's the advantage of 93? Running the lowest octane w/o ping will yield the most hp. Don't tell me you're buying into the boob tube infomercials......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 23:28:19 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27890 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:28:17 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr49-dialup34.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.79.34]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F6900OVY5Q0KH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 04:27:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:27:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Speaking of tankbags / Sunday ride? To: Brad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <004b01be4a76$8bab2c80$224f37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >If anyone is up for a liesurely ride on Sunday, I'd probably be >interested. I pick the bike up on Sat., so Sunday will be a somewhat slow >ride for reasons of both break-in and getting used to the bike. (Ignore the >fact that I'm not all that fast anyway.) Anyone heard anything on the >weather? Prefer the ride to be in Maryland (Jon, Fred??), but could ride to >Virginia... >--Brad Why don't you take that nice, shiney, perfect F4 on Leon's dirt track ride? 8^P I won't be able to ride Sun., I have too many things to take care of(tux fitting, etc.). Maybe next weekend? You should have that puppy broken in by then......... Jon From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 23:56:45 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28314 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA12782; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:58:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009801be4a7a$e5b718c0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:58:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 As long as you all bring video tapes we'll be fine... no Speedvision in Arlington so unless there's something on ESPN 1 or 2...... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Roy To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Date: Wednesday, January 27, 1999 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Bike racing on SpeedVision sunday >On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: >> You guys realize the Superbowl is only 3 hours or so, >> we can watch alot of the racing at the party! > >Superbowl? Is that this sunday too? > >Tortilla chips, chili, variety of cheese, microwave. Now THAT's a >SuperBowl! > >Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 27 23:57:59 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28388 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:57:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.37]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:49:01 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Elie Rosenblum" Cc: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:55:53 -0500 Message-ID: <03c701be4a7a$7b9b6680$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <19990127105952.A19552@cosanostra.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Not that I'm aware of. I seem to remember somewhere that the timing is fixed. I suppose I could play with the weights in the advance mechanism some, but as it's a combo vacuum-mechanical advance... Anyway, it's an Interstate, so it sees lots of places where the quality of the gas is suspect. Considering some of the gas stations I saw in WV last summer, it's a good thing that it runs on the cheap stuff. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 05:14:26 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04829 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id FAA07245 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id FAA07241 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id FAA02394 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id FAA02390 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:16:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990128051225.01247b70@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 05:12:25 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: My F4 is HERE!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The F4 arrived last night, two days before expected. Going to take a long lunch and pick it up.... Initial reviews should be in by 2:30. :-) Unless, of course, I get "lost" somewhere in Virginia on the way back to work... --Brad From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 06:43:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06194 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00810 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (known server1.illuminet.net [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id GAA08983 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust045.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.45]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12274; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:44:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990128113609.006b7c58@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:36:09 -0500 To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: RE: what is up with gas prices... At 11:14 PM 1/27/99 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >Just curious, what's the advantage of 93? Running the lowest octane w/o >ping will yield the most hp. Don't tell me you're buying into the boob tube >infomercials......... How fast the fuel burns is partially due to the octane rating. If the engine was designed for high octane fuel, it is possible to retard the timing and prevent knock using lower octane fuel. Doing this will cause more of the energy from that fuel to exit through the exhaust pipe before it's completely burned. Pardon the ramblings of someone who hasn't taken a formal thermodynamics or chemistry course for more than 20 years, but . . . In any given engine, George's suggestion of advancing and retarding the ignition timing can be used to prevent ping. In fact, many of the newer ignitions have knock sensor to do exactly that. It is also true that with a few exceptions, lower octane fuel has more energy per unit volume (miles per gallon potential) than higher octane fuel. But there are a few other considerations. For example, fuel takes time to burn. If you set the timing so that the spark doesn't occur until right at TDC (when the piston is at the very top of the Cylinder), most of the fuel will burn too late to provide power. If the spark is set before TDC, then the fuel starts to burn before the piston finishes the compression stroke and power is lost that way. If the spark is set too soon, the pressure in the cylinder gets too high and the rest of the mixture explodes (knock). Thus, too soon is bad, and too late is bad, and just right depends on how fast the motor is spinning and how fast the fuel burns. Of course, the motor itself plays a big part in this, size and shape of the combustion chamber affect distance of flame travel and thus burn time, valve timing and overall compression rate affect the pressure in the cylinder which affects when knock occurs . . . and this is too technical already. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 06:56:04 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06384 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:56:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901281156.GAA06384@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:56:00 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: 94' VFR400R2 (take 2) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 03:55:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > > Hi, I am selling ym Honda 1994 VFR 400 R2, It is all white, > 7000 Kms., > > Single Side Swing Arm (its the Elf France / Honda Pro-Arm) > Disce brakes, > > front dual and single in the back. Looks & Runs Great. The > bike is being > > sold as an Off-Road / Race motorcycle. Price: $4500.00 / obo > > > Ray - Baltimore Nice bike.. but WAY to much for somethign that isn't licensed/titled. You can get the same from a guy in GA, already street legal.. only his starting point is $200 higher (but I'm sure that could come off easily). Just my humble opinion.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 07:19:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06765 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01094 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (known Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id HAA09385 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 85256707.0042E6F7 ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:10:45 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Dale Horstman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256707.0042A5D1.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:10:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Speaking of tankbags... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yea back when I first bought my Connie I joined a Concours list and one of the members discovered that a magnetic bag would not stick to his bike. After some investigation, he found out it was made of aluminum. I never did find out why Kawi. makes them in both steel and aluminum. Steve From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 08:33:23 1999 Return-Path: jimcald@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07933 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA08465 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 07:32:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from rvl-md15-55.ix.netcom.com(199.182.66.183) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008331; Thu Jan 28 07:31:52 1999 Message-ID: <36B0671C.4EE6@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:33:16 -0500 From: Jim Caldwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: GPS Users Unite References: <199901280000.TAA23529@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case you didn't know, Garmin has a motorcycle/bicycle mount for about $20 that uses a handlebar clamp with a rubber gasket. A clip is attached to the GPS (Garmin III) by a thumb screw, and the whole unit can be clipped on and off in seconds. I got mine from Dennis Kirk. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 08:35:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08023 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A78B4D50264; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:07 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990128084042.00fecd50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:42:29 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? Cc: DC-Cycles Mailing List In-Reply-To: <36AF84F5.423C2943@tidalwave.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Kirk Roy wrote: >> Ok, Dale, let's quit pandering for birthday attention! > >Dale Horstman wrote >Who's pandering?!? Isn't my birthday the reason they are >holding the Superbowl this year??!? And isn't it the reason >for the Party?!?!? And Leon's ride??!?! Yes, in fact, it is. And since it's the big 30 birthday, the rules are different. Rather than give YOU presents, you have to give US presents. See you at the party! Age and cunning versus youth and vigor, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 08:35:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08022 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A7804D50264; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990128083523.00fe89d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:37:37 -0500 To: louis@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Super Velcro? In-Reply-To: <199901271958.OAA08221@shell.clark.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:58 PM 1/27/99 , louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >I will soon be getting a Garmin III+, and plan on velcroing it to the >"shelf" above the Concours' gagues. I remember reading before about >some material that is similar, but stronger than velcro. Does >anyone know the name and/or where I can find this? > >(I will also have a "safety hook" to be sure it doesn't fall off, but >want to be able to use this in my *gasp* car too) I can't remember the name, but Radio Shack has it. It's white, plastic, peel-and-stick, and functions like velcro but does it a different way. It might have "balls on stalks". When you press two pieces together you can feel a "click" as the pieces engage. And yes, having a back-up so you don't lose your GPS is a good idea, just in case. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 08:35:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08027 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01768 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (known piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id IAA10514 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A78A4D50264; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:35:06 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990128083853.00fea3c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:40:18 -0500 To: Ed Hand From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: be on the lookout - are they among us? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36AF7D3C.374181D7@ix.netcom.com> References: <001001be4a11$77e26de0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <36AF7777.EBC99B60@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:55 PM 1/27/99 , Ed Hand wrote: >When I turned 30, I decided you had to be 35 to be a geezer. Then when I >turned >35 you had to be 40....I wonder if the age to qualify as a geezer becomes 45 >when I turn 40? >Ed Naw, geezer is a state of mind, not a state of body. :-) 43 and proud of it ... cause it beats the alternative! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 08:47:11 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08159 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28354 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:49:14 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032A98@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'dc'" Subject: close out prices on AGV leathers and boots... Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:49:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Spotted on the web......the seller is a reputable racer... http://www.inficad.com/~sraxis/AGV199.doc From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 09:33:20 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08915 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:33:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s15.wizard.net [206.161.15.91]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13859 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:33:23 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01be4acc$58c45c00$670fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" Subject: Fw: One Lap of WV Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Forwarded at Bob's request... for comment/discussion. :-) -----Original Message----- From: McKeithen@XXXXXX To: 2xracers@XXXXXX <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:31 AM Subject: Re: One Lap of WV >Anita, >I'm still kind of developing this idea, so I'm kinda thinking out loud . Here >are very general parameters I was playing with. >1. The ride should be on roads at the extreme peremiter of the state. Looking >at my paper map it appears that would be almost exclusivey secondary and >tertiary roads. That to me is good thing. >2. I would not favor a lot of rigid planning. Maybe at the starting point pass >out a series of questions that could only be answered if the rider made it >perhaps ten or twelve waypoints. For example, what denomination id the white >church at such and such an intersection. You only get credit for the ride if >all the questions are answered correctly >3. If the 800 to 900 miles are correct then it should be a easy three day ride >with time to enjoy the scenery. Again, thats a good thing. >4. Overnights shopuld be set up so that folks could either camp or motel it, >with agathering place to tell lies about the days ride. The fast folks will >get there early,but the lolly gaggers wouldn't be pressured to try to keep up. >Groups will sort themselves out naturally. >5. I think we generate some good publicity for our hobby. >Again just some ideas. If you or any one else has thoughts please share them >Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 09:40:55 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09052 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25631; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:40:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:38:02 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles cc: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: How the Givi's Look Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just posted some pics on the Yahoo page (http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders). They are of my GPz (when it was clean) with the Givi's and without the Givi's (just the wingrack). I don't The scanning isn't the best quality (it was from a Snappy on a video camera). Hopefully this gives you some additional ideas of what they look like. These are the new style bags (the panniers are E360's and the top case is an E460). I think that I may have mislabeled them on the photos. (I'll see if I can't fix that). -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. 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They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 09:41:11 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09062 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:41:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s15.wizard.net [206.161.15.91]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA14840; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:41:13 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401be4acd$7134f640$670fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: One Lap of WV Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:49:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Bob, Street Atlas shows *all* the roads in WV, big and small (including the dirt/gravel ones!)! :-) If the "blue highways" you refer to are scenic or secondary roads, they'd be included as well. You're right, most of the commercial maps (like Rand McNally) tend to omit all the fun roads! :-) I did pick up a map by Gousha Travel Publications that has a good number of secondary roads. Street Atlas is great for laying out a route, but I've not yet been able to print out a useable map from it. Either too much detail (and a whole bunch of pages to cover the route) or not enough. I usually just plan the route, type up the directions in print large enough to read while riding and just use a route sheet. Now since I have the GPS I "should" be able to upload the route. That will be cool! :-) Anita -----Original Message----- From: McKeithen@XXXXXX To: 2xracers@XXXXXX <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 6:56 AM Subject: Re: One Lap of WV >I don't have Street Atlas yet. I was dreaming over the paper map issued by >the State because it shows all the "blue highways". Does Street Atlas do that? >For example, here in the panhandle my regular Rand McNally shows highway 230 >from 340 to Shepherdstown. But the more fun road is only shown on the state >issued map. >I have not , as yet, added up the miles since my old tech paper map requires >punching in the numbers by hand. >For the 1 lap we could pass out a reccomended route, but folks would be free >to go wherever they want as long as they hit the waypoints. They would be >chosen to force riders to stay on the extreme outside edge of the state. >Feel free to share my ramblings with the list. >Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 09:46:36 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09236 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:46:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901281446.JAA09236@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:46:20 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: One Lap of WV Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 06:46:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > >3. If the 800 to 900 miles are correct then it should be a > easy three day > ride > >with time to enjoy the scenery. Again, thats a good thing. What.. 3 days? Yikes.. if it's only that far, why not to a SS or BB (whatever the 1500/24 ride is).. or was that mentioned already and I missed it? Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 09:56:50 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09340 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105srg-0003UV-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:56:16 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA25534 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20066 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:56:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901281456.JAA20066@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: One Lap of WV (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:56:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Bob, > > Street Atlas shows *all* the roads in WV, big and small (including the > dirt/gravel ones!)! :-) If the "blue highways" you refer to are scenic or > secondary roads, they'd be included as well. Included, but not always pointed out as "Scenic Highways." Sometimes it helps to have a separate map with more notations on it. > Street Atlas is great for laying out a route, but I've not > yet been able to print out a useable map from it. Either too much detail > (and a whole bunch of pages to cover the route) or not enough. I usually > just plan the route, type up the directions in print large enough to read > while riding and just use a route sheet. Same thing here. I'll usually use the "Quick Directions" if they are clear enough, if not, I'll write it down. But the maps need work. The one thing that frustrates me is that instead of saying "Turn Left" or right, it will tell you to go North or South (or NE or...) based on actual direction. This is made even more difficult if you are on a road that has different directions. For example, look at I-95 in Connecticut (5 miles from where I grew up). I-95 is a North-South highway, but in Connecticut, it runs East-West. Street Atlas would say "I-95 East." But when you arrive to the entrance ramp, if you aren't familar with the area, the signs telling you to go North or South will really throw you for a loop. (I've seen this with other highway segments too, but can't recall off the top of my head) > Now since I have the GPS I > "should" be able to upload the route. That will be cool! :-) Sure, rub it in. :-) (waiting for mine.....) > Anita Louis From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 10:03:28 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09496 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:03:26 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA06594; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:04:53 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006300; Thu, 28 Jan 99 10:04:19 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6900LLXZ6MNN@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256707.00526B89 ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:00:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:56:59 -0500 Subject: Re: My F4 is HERE!! To: Brad Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256707.00523618.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I just went to Loudon Motorsports last night to look at the new F4s. They had two yellow bikes and one red one. This really is a nice looking bike - even better in real life than in the photos. I also noticed that the thing seemed *really* well put together. Just sitting on the bike made me feel as though the bike was really screwed together tightly. The riding position felt a bit cramped, but I guess that's par for the course - I'm used to the upright Seca II. In short, a very impressive looking bike that showed absolutely no flaws in construction. I'm jealous and might be buying one myself soon. Chris Weaver From: Brad The F4 arrived last night, two days before expected. Going to take a long lunch and pick it up.... Initial reviews should be in by 2:30. :-) Unless, of course, I get "lost" somewhere in Virginia on the way back to work... --Brad ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 10:21:59 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09880 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:21:57 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 105tFw-0005ha-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:21:20 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA05681 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25420 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:21:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901281521.KAA25420@shell.clark.net> Subject: RE: One Lap of WV (Rally/Scavenger hunt) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:21:44 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Looking at your points (especially 2, 3, & 5) this sounds very similar to what we in the Long Distance community (LD) call a rally. The main difference being that you are talking about doing this over 3 days, where as LD Riders would try to do this in a single 24 hour period (and tack on another few miles to make sure it was over 1,000). Different "bonus locations" are worth a varying amount of points based on how far off the "base route" they are located. The goal is not to race (in fact in some rallies you loose points if your average speed is too high) but to plan what route would give you the best score. It might be fun for people who are not interested in a 24 hour event to do this broken up over 2 or 3 days. It's like a motorcycle scavenger hunt. You would need to be sure you have time to find things, for example, the church you mention. You would need to have a few (really, more) of them scouted out in advance so you know where to tell people to go. I like the idea, and would be happy to give you more feedback off list if you'd like. Louis > -----Original Message----- (forwarded by Anita) > From: McKeithen@XXXXXX > Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 12:31 AM > Subject: Re: One Lap of WV > Here are very general parameters I was playing with. > 2. I would not favor a lot of rigid planning. Maybe at the > starting point pass out a series of questions that could only > be answered if the rider made it perhaps ten or twelve waypoints. > For example, what denomination id the white church at such and > such an intersection. You only get credit > for the ride if all the questions are answered correctly > 3. If the 800 to 900 miles are correct then it should be a > easy three day ride with time to enjoy the scenery. Again, > thats a good thing. > 5. I think we generate some good publicity for our hobby. > Again just some ideas. If you or any one else has thoughts > please share them > >Bob From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 10:30:24 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10034 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s15.wizard.net [206.161.15.91]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA19825; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:30:26 -0500 Message-ID: <011101be4ad4$51029b00$670fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: One Lap of WV Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:38:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 You missed it! :-) Leon is doing a SS1000 that weekend in preparation for the Capital 1000, and has offered to "officiate" for anyone wishing to participate. He's thinking of leaving early Sunday (4 am?), meeting up with some dc-cycles folks at noon for lunch and then heading back. The 800-900 miles is what Street Atlas came up with when I told it to avoid "major" highways... just a rough estimate at this point. It could easily be longer as better (i.e. twistier) roads are added. Anita -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 To: 'dc' Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:50 AM Subject: RE: One Lap of WV > > >> -----Original Message----- >> >3. If the 800 to 900 miles are correct then it should be a >> easy three day >> ride >> >with time to enjoy the scenery. Again, thats a good thing. > >What.. 3 days? Yikes.. if it's only that far, why not to a SS or BB >(whatever the 1500/24 ride is).. or was that mentioned already and I missed >it? > >Brian From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 10:33:18 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10054 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s15.wizard.net [206.161.15.91]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20155; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:33:20 -0500 Message-ID: <011601be4ad4$b86e2160$670fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: Re: One Lap of WV (fwd) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:41:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: louis@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles List Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 10:00 AM Subject: Re: One Lap of WV (fwd) >Included, but not always pointed out as "Scenic Highways." Sometimes >it helps to have a separate map with more notations on it. Agreed! I've got Scenic Highway maps for both VA and WV... good stuff! :-) >The one thing that frustrates me is that instead of saying "Turn Left" >or right, it will tell you to go North or South (or NE or...) based on >actual direction. This bugs me, too! :-) If I'm making a route sheet for a group ride I'll just look at the map and figure out if it's a left/right. Who has time to figure out which direction is "NE" as you are making a turn? :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 10:56:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10453 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03470 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (known imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA15076 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id OQEDa27768; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:55:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <254711ed.36b0885a@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:55:06 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Non-moto Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Anyone on the lists into paintball? sorry to clog up the list, but if so, please reply privately. Sean... I will return all emails later this evening. Cloudsabv9@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 10:58:54 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10557 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:58:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990128160107.19382.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send102.yahoomail.com; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:01:07 PST Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: One Lap of WV (fwd) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >The one thing that frustrates me is that instead of saying "Turn Left" > >or right, it will tell you to go North or South (or NE or...) based on > >actual direction. > > This bugs me, too! :-) If I'm making a route sheet for a group ride I'll > just look at the map and figure out if it's a left/right. Who has time to > figure out which direction is "NE" as you are making a turn? :-) FYI: The Garmin StreetPilot GPS unit has an optional directional arrow that points to the direction of the route marker you previously set. The unit is expensive but dummy proof :~). Herb _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 11:01:34 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10657 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03566; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:01:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:58:47 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC-Cycles List cc: Anita Lauro Subject: Re: One Lap of WV (fwd) In-Reply-To: <011601be4ad4$b86e2160$670fa1ce@anita> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Considering the intended audience (DC Cyles), is anything less than a gigantic flashing red and yellow neon sign on the side of an 18 wheeler going to insure that the riders don't take a wrong turn and get lost? ;-) -Mb Note for the sarcastically impaired, see the smiley! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Anita Lauro wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: louis@XXXXXX > To: DC-Cycles List > Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 10:00 AM > Subject: Re: One Lap of WV (fwd) > > > >Included, but not always pointed out as "Scenic Highways." Sometimes > >it helps to have a separate map with more notations on it. > > Agreed! I've got Scenic Highway maps for both VA and WV... good stuff! :-) > > >The one thing that frustrates me is that instead of saying "Turn Left" > >or right, it will tell you to go North or South (or NE or...) based on > >actual direction. > > This bugs me, too! :-) If I'm making a route sheet for a group ride I'll > just look at the map and figure out if it's a left/right. Who has time to > figure out which direction is "NE" as you are making a turn? :-) > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 11:26:33 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11080 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05985 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:26:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:23:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: DC Cycles Subject: Yahoo Club Calendar Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm starting to really like the 'calendar' feature of the Yahoo club thing that Anita set up. It could be a very easy way to keep track of rides, etc. I just added the MARRC cornerworker school as well as British Bike Day (at Butler's Orchard in Gaithersburg). -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 11:58:46 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11706 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29679; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:58:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199901281658.LAA29679@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Morris Berman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:56:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Yahoo Club Calendar Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 28 Jan 99, at 11:23, Morris Berman wrote: > I'm starting to really like the 'calendar' feature of the Yahoo club thing > that Anita set up. > > It could be a very easy way to keep track of rides, etc. > I just added the MARRC cornerworker school as well as British Bike Day (at > Butler's Orchard in Gaithersburg). Thanks for adding those events, Morris. I meant to fill up the calendar with stuff from "Motorcycle Times" or whatever that free newspaper is called... unfortunately I couldn't find a copy of the current issue. I guess I'll have to be more on the ball! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 12:12:00 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11906 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA31167; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:12:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199901281712.MAA31167@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Nomad , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:10:09 -0500 Subject: Re: GPS [was: One Lap of WV (fwd)] Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990128160107.19382.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 28 Jan 99, at 8:01, Nomad wrote: > FYI: The Garmin StreetPilot GPS unit has an optional directional arrow > that points to the direction of the route marker you previously set. > The unit is expensive but dummy proof :~). > Herb Does Street Pilot have detailed rural road info? Just curious. I just got a Lowrance Global Map 100 but haven't tried it out on the bike yet. I've played around with the uploadable maps, and it looks like it's going to be great fun! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 12:44:44 1999 Return-Path: Carl.Custer@XXXXXX Received: from dchqexs1.fsis.usda.gov (wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa [199.128.203.12] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12464 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:44:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by wsc.ag.gov.203.128.199.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:44:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Custer, Carl" To: "'DCCy'" Subject: are they among us? Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:44:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Mike T wrote, "Since these 4 'kids' are around 18 or so, I am willing to bet they would not act on our sound advice, nor would they seek it." Try the stick and carrot technique. Show them pictures 13,14, & 15. See picture 14; he's wearing a helmet. There's little blood so his heart is not pumping. See picture 15, so much power, so little experience, oo, bet that smarted. See Hurt Report: dumbasses die young, get laid less than geezers. Take MSF course, meet babes learning to drive motorcycles (now about ~40% women?). Dale "(4 more days till I'm 30 and a geezer too!)" Oh the bliss of youth An idea for "One Lap of WV" Ride Memorial Day? Dang, I'll be in Chicago for ASM but may go by Sabre. Carl in Bethesda -- born before Pearl Harbor -- not a geezer -- yet From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 12:59:40 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12721 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18593; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:01:05 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AA5@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Anita Lauro'" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Morris Berman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Yahoo Club Calendar Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 13:01:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I've been planning on adding in all the race dates and track days too...guess I should get around to that, huh? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 14:14:02 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14211 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:13:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901281913.OAA14211@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:13:53 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'VFR'" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: 86/87 moto rags.. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:13:50 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hello all.. Looking for anyone that might have moto rags from the 86/87 era.. I'm looking for articles on the 86/87 VFR to scan through the computer. I have most of the articles in black and white already.. but since what I have is already reprinted once, it comes out kinda lousy as I scan it through another time. I'd just want to borrow the rags (unless you're willing to donate them to me). Domestic as well as foreign.. anything on the 86~89 series VFR.. and I do mean ANYTHING.. a little blurb, a picture... yea, the kind of stuff an enthusiast would collect *cough, cough*.. Thanks to anyone who can help.. :) (and please pass it along to anyone you might know who might be able to help.. esp. with overseas publications!) Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 14:55:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14926 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A09815D0292; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:55:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990128143306.018c0d70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:33:46 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: 86/87 moto rags.. Cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: <199901281913.OAA14211@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've heard good things about Ian Smith - they put together a package for your bike. http://www.mcreports.com/ Chris Norloff At 02:13 PM 1/28/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Hello all.. > > Looking for anyone that might have moto rags from the 86/87 era.. >I'm looking for articles on the 86/87 VFR to scan through the computer. I >have most of the articles in black and white already.. but since what I have >is already reprinted once, it comes out kinda lousy as I scan it through >another time. I'd just want to borrow the rags (unless you're willing to >donate them to me). Domestic as well as foreign.. anything on the 86~89 >series VFR.. and I do mean ANYTHING.. a little blurb, a picture... yea, the >kind of stuff an enthusiast would collect *cough, cough*.. > >Thanks to anyone who can help.. :) (and please pass it along to anyone you >might know who might be able to help.. esp. with overseas publications!) > >Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 15:02:14 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15148 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 15:02:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901282002.PAA15148@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:02:05 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: 86/87 moto rags.. Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:01:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Actually.. that's what I bought.. can't complain for 16.95.. but it's just medium quality photo-copy stuff.. I want the real deal.. colour and all.. :) Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [mailto:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 1999 2:34 PM > To: McCoy, Brian NAB02 > Cc: 'dc' > Subject: Re: 86/87 moto rags.. > > > I've heard good things about Ian Smith - they put together a > package for > your bike. http://www.mcreports.com/ > > Chris Norloff > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 17:13:56 1999 Return-Path: wsknight@XXXXXX Received: from catbert.ucdavis.edu (root@XXXXXX [169.237.105.32]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17585 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ez073260@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by catbert.ucdavis.edu (8.8.8/UCD3.12.21) with ESMTP id OAA18260; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:13:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:13:27 -0800 (PST) From: Walter Knight X-Sender: ez073260@XXXXXX To: "'VFR'" cc: "'dc'" Subject: Re: [VFRlist] 86/87 moto rags.. In-Reply-To: <199901281914.LAA16123@schilling.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII well, sorry about that Cobalt defense thing. You're right, everyone has to say how they feel. Anyway, to the task at hand, I have a july '98 issue of Ride magazine which has a comparison with the european '89 VFR (almost the same as our 86-87). It is a very modern review which is very complimentary, in full color blah blah. Email me back at wsknight@XXXXXX for details/address or maybe I'll get digital pictures or have it scanned. Just say what you need/want and I'll see what I can do. --Wally From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 18:43:06 1999 Return-Path: l4rite@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19010 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from l4rite (207-172-54-210.s210.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.210]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13645 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:48:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00b301be4b17$b8c371e0$d236accf@l4rite> From: "Leslie" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:41:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Just curious, what's the advantage of 93? Running the lowest octane w/o ping will yield the most hp. Don't tell me you're buying into the boob tube infomercials.....Jon Just wanted to put the stick in the hornets nest here.....a couple of friends of mine from Tennessee drive gas trucks for a living and they told me that at SOME stations they service, only use one tank and one hose for all the pumps...the trucks pull up and puts the hose in the 87 tank and turns on the pumper...then they take the same hose over to the other tanks and pump the same gas into the seemingly higher octane tanks....ofcourse they walk over to the truck and turn a couple of knobs and switches to make it appear that they are changing tanks on the tanker truck...but they are not.... In other words the tank is filled with 87 octane and it feeds all of the pumps, even the 92 octane ones...apparently the gas stations like the really big profit they make selling 87 at 92 prices...smart huh...You might think that this happens only in rural areas... well it doesn't...they deliver to the big cities also....and they usually fill the pumps at night......think about that one....a conspiracy on the loose....anyway I use 87 in everything and never notice a difference when I do use the higher octane stuff..... hype I think... 96 Kat750, 89 KLR 650, 88 NX250... I am on the lookout for an enduro bike or racing 4 wheeler.....enjoy... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 19:01:42 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19376 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-193.s2.as4.war.erols.com [207.172.109.193]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19432 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:01:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901290001.TAA19432@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: 4 Sale Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:05:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My wife decided to sell her 1996 535 Virago. Only 2400 miles. Excellent condition, never down, kept in a heated basement. Nice looking bike, great starter bike. $4000. please e-mail me directly. thanks, Danny '96 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 22:35:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22866 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:35:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ringding.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.126.2]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA10913 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.cw.net (known pm01sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.150]) by ringding.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA21199 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:35:13 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr5-dialup24.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.68.24]) by PM01SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33505) with SMTP id <0F6A00M6OXWW9O@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:34:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 22:34:08 -0500 Subject: Re: RE: what is up with gas prices... To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles Message-id: <00fa01be4b38$3cbb1d20$184437a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Whoa Leon, we don't even talk this technical at the dealership! I was just trying to be a smart ass. Maybe I forgot the smiley face at the end of my message....... Jon -----Original Message----- From: Leon Begeman To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 6:42 AM Subject: Re: RE: what is up with gas prices... >At 11:14 PM 1/27/99 -0500, dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: >>Just curious, what's the advantage of 93? Running the lowest octane w/o >>ping will yield the most hp. Don't tell me you're buying into the boob tube >>infomercials......... > >How fast the fuel burns is partially due to the octane rating. If the >engine was designed for high octane fuel, it is possible to retard the >timing and prevent knock using lower octane fuel. Doing this will cause >more of the energy from that fuel to exit through the exhaust pipe before >it's completely burned. > >Pardon the ramblings of someone who hasn't taken a formal thermodynamics or >chemistry course for more than 20 years, but . . . > >In any given engine, George's suggestion of advancing and retarding the >ignition timing can be used to prevent ping. In fact, many of the newer >ignitions have knock sensor to do exactly that. It is also true that with a >few exceptions, lower octane fuel has more energy per unit volume (miles per >gallon potential) than higher octane fuel. > >But there are a few other considerations. For example, fuel takes time to >burn. If you set the timing so that the spark doesn't occur until right at >TDC (when the piston is at the very top of the Cylinder), most of the fuel >will burn too late to provide power. If the spark is set before TDC, then >the fuel starts to burn before the piston finishes the compression stroke >and power is lost that way. If the spark is set too soon, the pressure in >the cylinder gets too high and the rest of the mixture explodes (knock). >Thus, too soon is bad, and too late is bad, and just right depends on how >fast the motor is spinning and how fast the fuel burns. Of course, the >motor itself plays a big part in this, size and shape of the combustion >chamber affect distance of flame travel and thus burn time, valve timing and >overall compression rate affect the pressure in the cylinder which affects >when knock occurs . . . and this is too technical already. > >Leon. > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 28 23:38:03 1999 Return-Path: alexm@XXXXXX Received: from gate1.sprintlink.net (gate1.sprintlink.net [199.0.233.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23927 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from athens.res.sprintlink.net by gate1.sprintlink.net via smtpd (for dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) with SMTP; 29 Jan 1999 04:37:57 UT Received: from localhost (alexm@localhost) by athens.res.sprintlink.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA19634 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:37:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 23:37:56 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: **AN UPPER CLASS STRIP CLUB IS NEAR OUR GROUP'S HAPPY HOUR** In-Reply-To: <4c063174.36afb574@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > RUMORS > 19th & M in DC > Yes my fellow riders, it has been brought to my attention that Camelot Strip > Club (or something to that affect) is located very close to Rumors. > Supposedly the who's who of DC frequent this place. No, this is NOT where our > Happy Hour is! > I just gotta throw in my 0.02 here. I've been to camelot (my 21st birthday. A half hour after I turned!) and.. I was underwhelmed.. maybe because I'm not a VIP.. but whatever the case.. bah it wasn't even a strip club. It was very pretty girls swaying (not even dancing) for 5 minutes, while tons of guys go up and give em money. We left after 20 minutes, and went to good guys instead. What a *world* of difference. I was able to enjoy the rest of my 21st birthday. Hopefully I'm not offending anyone.. but I just had to comment on how dissapointed I was by camelot :P Alex. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 01:22:18 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25591 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:22:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (adsl-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA14318; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:21:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004c01be4b4f$f71990e0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Alex Milenkovic" , Subject: Re: **AN UPPER CLASS STRIP CLUB IS NEAR OUR GROUP'S HAPPY HOUR** Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:23:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 A guy I know and used to street race with owns JP's on Wisconsin Ave. This is another good establishment for those seeking better than what the famed "Camelot" has to offer. Camelot is way too crowded, the bouncers are a**holes, and the place really sucks. Too bad the 1720 Club is gone... was the best. -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Alex Milenkovic To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 11:48 PM Subject: Re: **AN UPPER CLASS STRIP CLUB IS NEAR OUR GROUP'S HAPPY HOUR** >> RUMORS >> 19th & M in DC >> Yes my fellow riders, it has been brought to my attention that Camelot Strip >> Club (or something to that affect) is located very close to Rumors. >> Supposedly the who's who of DC frequent this place. No, this is NOT where our >> Happy Hour is! >> > >I just gotta throw in my 0.02 here. I've been to camelot (my 21st >birthday. A half hour after I turned!) and.. I was underwhelmed.. maybe >because I'm not a VIP.. but whatever the case.. bah it wasn't even >a strip club. It was very pretty girls swaying (not even dancing) for >5 minutes, while tons of guys go up and give em money. > >We left after 20 minutes, and went to good guys instead. What a *world* >of difference. I was able to enjoy the rest of my 21st birthday. > >Hopefully I'm not offending anyone.. but I just had to comment on how >dissapointed I was by camelot :P > >Alex. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 02:39:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA27549 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA12881 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id CAA17643 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:39:38 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id LCPLa01222 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:38:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4f76d136.36b1658a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 02:38:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: **AN UPPER CLASS STRIP CLUB IS NEAR OUR GROUP'S HAPPY HOUR** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/29/99 1:28:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, zellto@XXXXXX writes: << Camelot is way too crowded, the bouncers are a**holes, and the place really sucks. Too bad the 1720 Club is gone... was the best. >> Isnt the 1720 club now Good Guys? Good Guys rocks! Best strip joint in DC. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 09:02:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04050 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14073 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:02:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns2.wheatintl.com (known [38.218.78.34] [38.218.78.34]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA22302 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:02:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by ns2.wheatintl.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) id JAA09710 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture(38.241.229.100) by ns2 via smap (V2.0) id xma009708; Fri, 29 Jan 99 09:01:56 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990129090036.01b8b390@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mtroutma@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:01:54 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Mike Troutman Subject: accountant? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Someone on the list said they were interested in an accounting position we have open. Another one opened up, so if you are still interested drop me a line. It was several months ago, and I did not save the email addy ;-( _________________________________________ Michael J. Troutman Network Development Manager Wheat International Communications Corporation Reston, Virginia 703.262.9172 dir 703.262.9130 fax "The philosophy of government is: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 09:36:32 1999 Return-Path: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04598 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:36:31 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA08191; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:37:39 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa07487; Fri, 29 Jan 99 09:36:26 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F6B00E1JSKTP5@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 85256708.004FE9B2 ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:32:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:29:09 -0500 Subject: What up with the list?! To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <85256708.004FA5BD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Say, what's the deal with the lack of posts on this group? I'm usually able to kill a good half hour reading the messages when I get in in the morning, and today it took me about five minutes. Have we all run out of things to say? If so, let me just assert that shafties can't wheelie, helmets will break your neck, and using your front brake will kill you. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 09:51:05 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04873 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28015; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:52:57 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AB0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:52:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain he he he.. who says shafties can't wheelie?? Right Brian? I think we'll have to get some pictures of it one of these days.... the "80 something clapped out Maxim" can actually stand a pretty sweet one near vertical. oh, and my insurance is cheaper than your insurance, guns are cool, so are reptiles, more octane is better than less octane, less octane is better than more octane, synthetic oil will make your clutch slip, but your motor will last forever...cruisers suck and sportbikes rock..brown eyes are better than blue eyes (you old foggies should remember that one..predates me by about 20 years)..hmm what else is controversial on the list...oh yeah.. I love to feel the wind whip thourgh my hair while I ride in shorts, no shirt and Tiva sandals.... LOL... Now you've done it Chris. Everyone on the list is going to start posting and I will just HAVE to read them all and I won't get any more work done today :( Collin On Friday, January 29, 1999 9:46 AM, christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX [SMTP:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] wrote: > Say, what's the deal with the lack of posts on this group? I'm usually able > to kill a good half hour reading the messages when I get in in the morning, > and today it took me about five minutes. Have we all run out of things to > say? If so, let me just assert that shafties can't wheelie, helmets will > break your neck, and using your front brake will kill you. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:17:48 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA05296 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id AFDC87D00E6; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:12:28 EST Message-ID: <36B1D115.681A99B4@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:17:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What up with the list?! References: <85256708.004FA5BD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Have we all run out of things to say? If so, let me just assert > that shafties can't wheelie, helmets will break your neck, and using > your front brake will kill you. > > Chris Weaver Wait, you forgot to add that new bikes suck. There, done. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:25:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05446 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14674 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (known imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24596 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:25:22 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SNSIa05309 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:24:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6cda2f6.36b1d2bc@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:24:44 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: **AN UPPER CLASS STRIP CLUB IS NEAR OUR GROUP'S HAPPY HOUR** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 .....and this is list-related how? ;D Marcy *shaking her head at the boys who will be boys* (and ducking the flames) In a message dated 1/29/99 2:45:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: > In a message dated 1/29/99 1:28:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, > zellto@XXXXXX writes: > > << Camelot is way too crowded, the bouncers are a**holes, and the place > really > sucks. Too bad the 1720 Club is gone... was the best. >> > > Isnt the 1720 club now Good Guys? Good Guys rocks! Best strip joint in DC. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:27:46 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05528 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01564; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:27:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199901291527.KAA01564@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Fagan, Collin LT" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:25:57 -0500 Subject: RE: What up with the list?! CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AB0@MSCEX> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) You forgot a couple... The only *real* motorcycle is a Harley (and if you ride one women throw themselves at you, even if you *are* a woman!). Only "sissy boys" wear full-face helmets and protective gear (when your time is up it's up). You aren't really leaning the bike until you wear out your elbow sliders. My memory is getting bad... I know there are some others! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:28:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05546 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14693 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (known imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA24706 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:28:51 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QZIZa01433 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:28:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <168aa895.36b1d388@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:28:08 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: accountant? (NON MOTO) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 I would be interested in finding an accountant to work with me on tax issues .... starting a business - personal - etc. I have LOTS of questions. Email offlist to jinnsinn@XXXXXX and we can discuss services/fees etc. In a message dated 1/29/99 9:10:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, mtroutma@XXXXXX writes: > Someone on the list said they were interested in an accounting position we > have open. Another one opened up, so if you are still interested drop me a > line. It was several months ago, and I did not save the email addy ;-( From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:29:29 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05559 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:28:17 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F013009@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:28:17 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Well Leslie, I'm not sure about TN but here in VA the state checks each gas stations gas annually. Maybe you've noticed the stickers on the pump? I believe they say VA agriculture for weights and measurements. They take samples of each type of fuel to verify the octane rating. The way I understand it they don't make appointments with the gas stations either, they just drop in. Last year one of the Amoco's in Annandale was shut down temporarily because the fuel didn't meet the required measurements. I'm not trying to blow a hole in your story here but I don't think this happens as much as you think. In any case my old Corolla used to notice the difference in fuel. Before I cleaned the top end of the engine it used to ping pretty bad with anything except premium. Now that I have gotten some of the carbon out of there it seems to better on the lower grades. Also I've seen plenty of gas stations in the area get renovated and they all have had three or more new tanks buried in the ground. Glenn > Just wanted to put the stick in the hornets nest here.....a couple of > friends of mine from Tennessee drive gas trucks for a living and they told > me that at SOME stations they service, only use one tank and one hose for > all the pumps...the trucks pull up and puts the hose in the 87 tank and > turns on the pumper...then they take the same hose over to the other tanks > and pump the same gas into the seemingly higher octane tanks....ofcourse > they walk over to the truck and turn a couple of knobs and switches to > make > it appear that they are changing tanks on the tanker truck...but they are > not.... > In other words the tank is filled with 87 octane and it feeds all of > the > pumps, even the 92 octane ones...apparently the gas stations like the > really > big profit they make selling 87 at 92 prices...smart huh...You might think > that this happens only in rural areas... well it doesn't...they deliver to > the big cities also....and they usually fill the pumps at night......think > about that one....a conspiracy on the loose....anyway I use 87 in > everything > and never notice a difference when I do use the higher octane stuff..... > hype I think... 96 Kat750, 89 KLR 650, 88 NX250... I am on the > lookout for an enduro bike or racing 4 wheeler.....enjoy... > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:41:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05774 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14795 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:41:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (known animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id KAA25118 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by ANIMAL.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:41:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:41:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I've got a few jokes I could fill your email with. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX [mailto:christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:29 AM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: What up with the list?! Say, what's the deal with the lack of posts on this group? I'm usually able to kill a good half hour reading the messages when I get in in the morning, and today it took me about five minutes. Have we all run out of things to say? If so, let me just assert that shafties can't wheelie, helmets will break your neck, and using your front brake will kill you. Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:41:27 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05777 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:40:36 -0500 Message-ID: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F01300C@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:40:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Speaking of Harley's... I was leaving work the other day and saw a bumper sticker (on a cage) that read "Real Women Ride Harley's". It made for a good chuckle. Glenn > The only *real* motorcycle is a Harley (and if you ride one women > throw themselves at you, even if you *are* a woman!). > Only "sissy boys" wear full-face helmets and protective gear (when > your time is up it's up). > You aren't really leaning the bike until you wear out your elbow > sliders. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:42:38 1999 Return-Path: regis_koslofsky@XXXXXX Received: from rfd.mc.duke.edu (rfd.mc.duke.edu [152.3.78.209]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05846 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:42:36 -0500 (EST) From: regis_koslofsky@XXXXXX Registered-mail-reply-requested-by: regis_koslofsky@XXXXXX Received: from ccmail.duke.edu by mc.duke.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) id <0F6B00B01VM1L2@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:42:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [VFRlist] 86/87 moto rags.. To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, vfrlist@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <0F6B00B0FVM2L2@mc.duke.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_ZoWIsmO3oTlP18DENt7/lg)" --Boundary_(ID_ZoWIsmO3oTlP18DENt7/lg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Brian , do you have the Brit magazine article that appearded a couple of years ago with the V-4 history ? . It has some nice photos and a good VFR history. I can scan mine if you need it. Regis ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: [VFRlist] 86/87 moto rags.. --Boundary_(ID_ZoWIsmO3oTlP18DENt7/lg) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII RFC-822-headers: Received: from onelist.com ([209.207.164.211]) by mc.duke.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) with SMTP id <0F6A0072EAS01Y@XXXXXX> for Regis_Koslofsky@duccrtr; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30365 invoked by alias); Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:16:35 +0000 Received: (qmail 30087 invoked from network); Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:16:15 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mcxmail04.usace.army.mil) (137.161.200.222) by pop.onelist.com with SMTP; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 19:16:15 +0000 Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:13:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 11:13:50 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Subject: [VFRlist] 86/87 moto rags.. To: 'VFR' Cc: 'dc' Reply-to: vfrlist@XXXXXX Message-id: <0F6A0072FAS01Y@mc.duke.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk Delivered-to: mailing list vfrlist@XXXXXX Mailing-List: list vfrlist@XXXXXX; contact vfrlist-owner@XXXXXX List-Unsubscribe: --Boundary_(ID_ZoWIsmO3oTlP18DENt7/lg)-- From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 10:44:57 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05871 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.44]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:40:57 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:48:10 -0500 Message-ID: <04c201be4b9e$c57d6d00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <65809F9C94B4D21189A90008C756F46F013009@dadc040.hqda.pentagon.mil> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Also I've seen plenty of gas stations in the area get renovated > and they all > have had three or more new tanks buried in the ground. That actually is an EPA rule. National. Not sure of the reasoning, or what the rule is, but I'm gonna guess that any tank that ever used leaded gas had to be replaced?? They were all supposed to have been done by Jan. 1 of this year. FWIW, a number of gas stations in St. Mary's Co. went out of business, as they couldn't afford this expense. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:00:24 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06262 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04052 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AB6@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: RE: what is up with gas prices... Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:02:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain The biggest concern wasn't so much the lead, but corrosion of the old tanks.... Metal rusts out and then fuel seeps into the groundwater... Haven't seen the rule yet, but I'm guessing it requires non-metalic tanks for all underground applications (seems like all the new ones I've seen are heavy guage "plastic") Isn't there someone on the list who works for the EPA?? Seems like we have every other area of gov't covered :) On Friday, January 29, 1999 10:54 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > > Also I've seen plenty of gas stations in the area get renovated > > and they all > > have had three or more new tanks buried in the ground. > > That actually is an EPA rule. National. Not sure of the reasoning, or what > the rule is, but I'm gonna guess that any tank that ever used leaded gas had > to be replaced?? They were all supposed to have been done by Jan. 1 of this > year. FWIW, a number of gas stations in St. Mary's Co. went out of business, > as they couldn't afford this expense. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:06:56 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06455 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA04511; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:05:56 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990129160617.HWQH1406@toddnt>; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 10:06:17 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:05:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be4ba1$24ebbec0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36B1D115.681A99B4@tidalwave.net> New bikes suck if all you have to listen to is country music ;) Todd > christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > > Have we all run out of things to say? If so, let me just assert > > that shafties can't wheelie, helmets will break your neck, and using > > your front brake will kill you. > > > > Chris Weaver > > Wait, you forgot to add that new bikes suck. There, done. :) > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers > horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it > Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." > > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR > 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Ours - But mostly mine > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:17:18 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06641 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id AF0A79D05CE; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:17:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990129112033.01897c40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:21:18 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: What up with the list?! In-Reply-To: <199901291527.KAA01564@radagast.wizard.net> References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AB0@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:25 AM 1/29/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >You aren't really leaning the bike until you wear out your elbow >sliders. Naw, that's too easy. You're not REALLY leaning the bike until you're grinding the axle nuts. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:25:33 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06742 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.53]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA08335 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:25:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199901291625.LAA08335@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:23:36 -0500 Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.19990129112033.01897c40@mail.toward.com> References: <199901291527.KAA01564@radagast.wizard.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 29 Jan 99, at 11:21, Chris Norloff wrote: > Naw, that's too easy. You're not REALLY leaning the bike until you're > grinding the axle nuts. Good point... in my case, I wasn't really leaning the bike until I scraped *everything*! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:32:07 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06910 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14748 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:32:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:32:00 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: What up with the list?! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990129112033.01897c40@mail.toward.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > At 10:25 AM 1/29/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: > >You aren't really leaning the bike until you wear out your elbow > >sliders. > > Naw, that's too easy. You're not REALLY leaning the bike until you're > grinding the axle nuts. Shoot, I put titanium sliders on my skull cap and they have to be replaced every 200-300 miles of twisty road riding. The axle nuts were ground off long ago. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:36:06 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07013 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07155; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:38:04 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBD032AB7@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:38:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Agreed. That's pretty tough to do, even if the bike is laying completely on it's side!On the race bike, the engine case on the left side drags and the muffler and body work drag on the right... On Friday, January 29, 1999 11:27 AM, Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: > Naw, that's too easy. You're not REALLY leaning the bike until you're > grinding the axle nuts. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:45:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07179 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15571 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:45:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (known imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA27870 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:45:02 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DCTKa00808 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:44:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59557d45.36b1e569@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:44:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What up with the list?! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/29/99 10:33:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << My memory is getting bad... I know there are some others! :-) >> "Those things'll kill ya. My brother's girlfriend's cousin's father-in-law got ran into the woods....yadda yadda yadda... Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 11:49:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07191 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA15611 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (known imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id LAA28008 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:49:28 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5DDMa01221 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:48:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <97f9fbca.36b1e671@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:48:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What up with the list?! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/29/99 11:32:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, 2xracers@XXXXXX writes: << Good point... in my case, I wasn't really leaning the bike until I scraped *everything*! :-) >> I don't consider it hard riding unless Im scraping my handlebars.... Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 13:22:08 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08938 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id AB1037301E8; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:16:48 EST Message-ID: <36B1FC49.4EFFC99D@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:22:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List Subject: Leon's Dirt Roads Run on Sunday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What time does the dirty biker ride leave on Sunday? Noon? Meeting place is the McD's on 28 just south of the 28-29 intersection, right? I'll have to leave home early to make sure the KZ400 gets there on time.... A speed demon it ain't! :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You'll know she loves you if she offers horkster@XXXXXX to let you ride her bike. Don't do it Dale City, Virginia and she'll love you even more." 1998 Kawasaki Concours - His - "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours - Hers - No name, and no fancy tag either 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 - Finally gets to go on a DC Cycles ride From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 13:55:42 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09450 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:55:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA19615; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:55:30 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id NAA23704; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:55:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 13:55:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: What up with the list?! In-Reply-To: <85256708.004FA5BD.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You forgot: Loud pipes save lives. Jap bikes suck! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX wrote: > Say, what's the deal with the lack of posts on this group? I'm usually able > to kill a good half hour reading the messages when I get in in the morning, > and today it took me about five minutes. Have we all run out of things to > say? If so, let me just assert that shafties can't wheelie, helmets will > break your neck, and using your front brake will kill you. > > Chris Weaver > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 14:15:58 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09868 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A8E96FD0260; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:15:53 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990129142207.00fe77c0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:22:38 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , Leon Begeman , DC Cycles List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Leon's Dirt Roads Run on Sunday In-Reply-To: <36B1FC49.4EFFC99D@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:22 PM 1/29/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >What time does the dirty biker ride leave on Sunday? Noon? >Meeting place is the McD's on 28 just south of the 28-29 >intersection, right? Leon's 8 Jan message said: "I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be back in time to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party." So unless that's been superceded ... Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 15:49:59 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11268 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:49:57 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JFMEa01223; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:48:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:48:28 EST To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: What up with the list?! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/29/99 10:47:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > "Real Women Ride Harley's". It made for a > good chuckle. as an ACTUAL WOMAN who rides a Honda - I MUST take exception to that ;D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 16:10:50 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11593 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22128 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:10:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: FWD: AMA dispute Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII More news on the Edmondson/AMA case. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 29 Jan 1999 21:09:43 -0000 From: Interactive Motorcycle Update List To: List Member Subject: Breaking News in IM Interactive Motorcycle Update List - http://www.activebike.com We just received a letter from Mr. Ed Youngblood, President of the American Motorcyclist Association. The letter was a response to one sent to him inquiring about the Edmondson case. Mr. Youngblood's letter to us has been printed in its entirety. The resulting feature, "The AMA Responds" has just been posted. Jay McDaniel, Publisher ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to activebike-unsubscribe@XXXXXX Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 16:21:50 1999 Return-Path: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from relay7.UU.NET (relay7.UU.NET [192.48.96.17]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11818 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:21:49 -0500 (EST) From: Jeannette_O'Brien@XXXXXX Received: from 172.16.2.37 by relay7.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: user252.shawpittman.com [208.200.185.252]) id QQgahp17194; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by 172.16.2.37(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (733.2 10-16-1998)) id 85256708.007579F1 ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:23:09 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SPPT To: JinnSinn@XXXXXX cc: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <85256708.00757811.00@172.16.2.37> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:16:37 -0500 Subject: Re: What up with the list?! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, that guy made me laugh too. He sent a message just to me personally accusing me of not being a "real" woman...somehow I beg to differ! LOL JinnSinn@XXXXXX on 01/29/99 03:48:28 PM To: Dysart@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Jeannette O'Brien/SPPT/US) Subject: Re: What up with the list?! In a message dated 1/29/99 10:47:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dysart@XXXXXX writes: > "Real Women Ride Harley's". It made for a > good chuckle. as an ACTUAL WOMAN who rides a Honda - I MUST take exception to that ;D Marcy From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 17:37:42 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12977 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 3CUBa20554 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:37:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 17:37:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: slip-ons Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 I asked my dealer about slip-ons and a jet kit. He said I don't need the jet kit. Tuning will do the job. What do you think? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 18:25:22 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13620 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust008.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.8]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA06022; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:23:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990129231554.006c17fc@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:15:54 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Leon's Dirt Roads Run on Sunday At 01:22 PM 1/29/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >What time does the dirty biker ride leave on Sunday? Noon? >Meeting place is the McD's on 28 just south of the 28-29 >intersection, right? Yes. Departure from the McDonalds is at noon on Sunday. I'm going to pre-ride the route tomorrow morning, so I'll post the lat-lons of the corners tomorrow afternoon for those who want to carry a GPS along. On the pre-ride, I don't plan to stop other than to mark the corners on the GPS, don't plan to go very slow, and will depart McDonalds at 8:30AM. I'll also correct the mileages so the route sheet that I pass out Sunday will be accurate. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 18:29:29 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13699 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA25499 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:29:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 18:29:13 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: slip-ons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > I asked my dealer about slip-ons and a jet kit. He said I don't need > the jet kit. Tuning will do the job. What do you think? What does "tuning will do the job" mean? If it means the dealer will adjust your air or pilot screws, shim the needles, and possibly change the main jets then it ought to be fine. A jet kit just comes will all the stuff necessary to do that stuff (although they'll also include replacement needles, which are the most important part of a jet kit). Generally, the pilot jets affect idle to 1/4 throttle, the needles 1/4 to 3/4 throttle, and the mains 3/4 to WFO. As you can probably tell, the pilot jets and needles are the most important parts... Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 19:16:22 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14546 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.227] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id AE1514F0154; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:11:01 EST Message-ID: <36B24F76.6196B445@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:16:54 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirk Roy CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: FWD: AMA dispute References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only problem with all of this is that, even after hearing the OTHER side of the story, I still have no idea what the truth of the matter is. I'm sure it's somewhere in-between what we've been given. Somehow I can't imagine the AMA giving co-ownership rights to any individual for a racing series, though. Dale (confused, like always) Kirk Roy wrote: > > More news on the Edmondson/AMA case. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: 29 Jan 1999 21:09:43 -0000 > From: Interactive Motorcycle Update List > To: List Member > Subject: Breaking News in IM > > Interactive Motorcycle Update List - http://www.activebike.com > > We just received a letter from Mr. Ed Youngblood, President of the > American Motorcyclist Association. The letter was a response to one sent > to him inquiring about the Edmondson case. Mr. Youngblood's letter to us > has been printed in its entirety. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 19:25:12 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14628 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.24.227] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A02A25800CA; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:19:54 EST Message-ID: <36B2518B.3CCC46A2@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:25:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Leon's Dirt Roads Run on Sunday References: <1.5.4.32.19990129231554.006c17fc@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon, I forgot to tell you, I might have the cb hooked up on the 400 as well. That'll be so I can tell you to "Slow the hell down, I'm trying to catch up!!!" from the tail end of the group. :) Dale (I knew that squawk box would come in handy someday...) Leon Begeman wrote: > > At 01:22 PM 1/29/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: > >What time does the dirty biker ride leave on Sunday? Noon? > >Meeting place is the McD's on 28 just south of the 28-29 > >intersection, right? > > Yes. Departure from the McDonalds is at noon on Sunday. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 19:32:34 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14779 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-37.s37.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.37]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05499 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:32:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B25980.314345D2@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:59:44 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: FWD: AMA dispute References: <36B24F76.6196B445@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ummm I can...like when the guy created the series in the the first place and the AMA latched onto it... I agree that the truth is probably somewhere in between though..I just think it's a little farther towards Edmunson's side though.. Dale Horstman wrote: > > The only problem with all of this is that, even after > hearing the OTHER side of the story, I still have no > idea what the truth of the matter is. I'm sure it's > somewhere in-between what we've been given. > > Somehow I can't imagine the AMA giving co-ownership > rights to any individual for a racing series, though. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 20:07:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15351 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA19863 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (known imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA13544 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:07:01 -0500 (EST) From: LungHD@XXXXXX Received: from LungHD@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HEHTa05514 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:06:16 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <86fb7074.36b25b08@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:06:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: alt.spark.plug Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Q: How many dc-cycles mail list subscribers does it take to change a spark plug? A: 1,331: 1 to change the spark plug and to post to the mail list that the spark plug has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing spark plugs and how the spark plug could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing spark plugs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing spark plugs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the spark plug discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about spark plugs and to please take this email exchange to alt.spark.plug 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing spark plugs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all using spark plugs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing spark plugs is superior, where to buy the best spark plugs, what brand of spark plugs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different spark plugs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 2 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which indeed makes spark plugs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the spark plug controversy. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the spark plug FAQ. 1 to propose a new alt.change.spark.plug newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.fusion.moto.ignition was meant for and to post further info there. 143 votes for alt.spark.plug. 1 to say that the real total is wrong. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 21:18:03 1999 Return-Path: ursulina@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16527 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursulina (207-172-120-223.s223.tnt14.brd.erols.com [207.172.120.223]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA21991 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:17:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006d01be4c0f$c8e00ea0$df78accf@ursulina> From: "Ursulina Viteri" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Real Women Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:17:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Should have said ".... ride on the back of Harley's." (Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. I'll go back to being nice and lurking again. :-) - - Ursulina -----Original Message----- From: Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN To: 'DC Cycles' Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 7:47 AM Subject: RE: What up with the list?! >Speaking of Harley's... I was leaving work the other day and saw a bumper >sticker (on a cage) that read "Real Women Ride Harley's". It made for a >good chuckle. > >Glenn > >> The only *real* motorcycle is a Harley (and if you ride one women >> throw themselves at you, even if you *are* a woman!). >> Only "sissy boys" wear full-face helmets and protective gear (when >> your time is up it's up). >> You aren't really leaning the bike until you wear out your elbow >> sliders. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 22:42:17 1999 Return-Path: F4Rider@XXXXXX Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (viper.bcbsblue.com [208.146.143.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17805 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from viper.bcbsblue.com (root@localhost) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id WAA26366 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com ([199.97.109.162]) by viper.bcbsblue.com with ESMTP id WAA26358 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com (root@localhost) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with ESMTP id WAA24795 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:44:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from bc41466 ([172.16.5.82]) by nca-fw1.bcbsnca.com with SMTP id WAA24791 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:44:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990129224014.0125b660@ns2.pgcc.net> X-Sender: brad@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:40:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Brad Subject: Bike stands - Need advice In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I got the F4, must say that I absolutely LOVE it. It would appear that I have no center stand, so I'm in the market for a good stand. I know this went through the list a while back, but I had the EX500 at the time, and didn't pay attention. So, I need to know what I should buy for a GOOD stand(s), for changing oil, removing rear and front tires, etc. No need to clog the list with useless chatter, if you could respond privately, that would be fine. Thanks, --Brad From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 29 23:45:56 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18801 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-37.s37.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.37]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id XAA22391; Fri, 29 Jan 1999 23:45:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B29524.AE6EBC3C@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:14:12 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad , DC Cycles Subject: Re: Bike stands - Need advice References: <3.0.6.32.19990129224014.0125b660@ns2.pgcc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brad... Pit Bull stands are the best in the industry.. they will outlast your next 3 bikes if not longer... Rick at Fast Lane Cycles has them in stock at the same price as the manufacturer.. his number is (703) 898-8890 Please tell him that I referenced you if you use him... Collin ps: info worth copying to the list Brad wrote: > > Well, I got the F4, must say that I absolutely LOVE it. It would appear > that I have no center stand, so I'm in the market for a good stand. I know > this went through the list a while back, but I had the EX500 at the time, > and didn't pay attention. So, I need to know what I should buy for a GOOD > stand(s), for changing oil, removing rear and front tires, etc. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 00:26:17 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19344 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:22:26 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Kirk Roy" , "DC-Cycles Mailing List" Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:29:47 -0500 Message-ID: <054d01be4c11$8cdcfb00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal You think that's something? I have to go to the plastic surgeon every other week to replace my ears. What kinda sissy are you wearing a helmet? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirk Roy [mailto:kirk@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 29, 1999 11:32 AM > To: DC-Cycles Mailing List > Subject: RE: What up with the list?! > > > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 10:25 AM 1/29/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: > > >You aren't really leaning the bike until you wear out your elbow > > >sliders. > > > > Naw, that's too easy. You're not REALLY leaning the bike until you're > > grinding the axle nuts. > > Shoot, I put titanium sliders on my skull cap and they have to be replaced > every 200-300 miles of twisty road riding. The axle nuts were ground off > long ago. > > Kirk > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 00:28:18 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19420 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.21]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:24:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: What up with the list?! Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 00:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <054e01be4c11$d4eb54a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > You forgot: Loud pipes save lives. Jap bikes suck! Be sensitive. The correct term is "rice rocket". ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 11:17:24 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02301 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZ8NEJUZ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:17:12 EST To: F4Rider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike stands - Need advice Message-ID: <19990129.192049.5175.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990129224014.0125b660@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5,8-11,13 From: Bikes R Us Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:17:12 EST The F4's sold overseas come with a centerstand (according to the January 1999 Cycle World magazine), so maybe your Honda dealer parts guy could figure a way for you to get an actual "attached" centerstand. If that's what you want, anyway... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. BTW, the Fairfax County library system keeps three years worth of Cycle World on their shelves in the periodicals section. They also keep some car mags and others of interest to people who like machines. On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 22:40:14 -0500 Brad writes: >It would appear that I have no center stand, so I'm in the market for a good stand. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 11:17:21 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02299 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DZ8NEJW5; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:17:12 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: SV650s are here Message-ID: <19990129.192049.5175.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4 From: Bikes R Us Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:17:12 EST We received a red one and a metallic sky blue one. The red one is sold, but the blue one is here if anyone would like to come out and take a look. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 13:35:37 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04427 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 106fEI-0002ko-00; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:34:50 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA27906; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01187; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:35:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901301835.NAA01187@shell.clark.net> Subject: My bike won't start... To: cog@XXXXXX (COG Email), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:35:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Here's the story and history. I haven't been on the Concours in two weeks. (The medicine I'm taking for an ear infection gives me insomnia, I don't feel like riding when drowsey all day, although working while drowsey is fine :-) ) On Wednesday I changed the fuse in the Widder connection. (blew it a while ago when some wires on the vest connection touched.) I checked it with a multimeter, to make sure the connection was going through. The first time I accidently crossed the leads, so pos went to neg and vice versa. This caused the needle to drop below zero. I figured the only damage it would cause was to the meter. I reversed the leads and tried again, and this time it worked, it showed 12.5 volts. I figured everything was cool with the Widder lead, and put the saddle back on, and called it a day. Today when I decided to go for a ride (slept very late, and woke up feeling really refreshed for the first time in a while) I got all suited up and ready to go. I turned the ignition on with the key, gave it choke, and pressed the starter button. Nothing. Not even a click (that my hearing aids can pick up anyway). The signal lights were on, as well as the tail light. But even after pressing the starter, the headlight did not go on. I checked the fuse box thinking maybe I blew something. They were all fine. (If 4 out of 6 fuses are 10 amps, why does the Connie have a spare 30 and 15 amp, but not 10?) I then checked the battery directly. It had water. And was reading 12.5 volts. I'm at a lost of where to go now. Any suggestions? Since I park outside an apartment building, I haven't been able to to keep the battery on a charger, if that would have any influence. If this doesn't sound like a minor thing, I hope it's something covered by warrentee! (but even more than that, I hope it's something simple that I overlooked and can fix in a jiffy) Thanks for any help, Louis From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 13:58:03 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04734 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-37-37.s37.tnt7.ann.erols.com [207.172.37.37]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id NAA27006; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:57:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B35D25.7DC1030E@geocities.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:27:33 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: louis@XXXXXX CC: DC-Cycles List Subject: Re: My bike won't start... References: <199901301835.NAA01187@shell.clark.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louis, It's a Cowasucky..get A suzuki..troubles ended :) Ok, enough of my lame humor. Kawi's usually hide a main 30 amp fuese right with the solenoid over on the left side of the bike. Follow the positive lead from the battery over to the solenoid and look for a little rubber cap in that area. Underneath you'll find a blown 30 amp fuse most likely.... I did the same thing on the EX500 and it took forever to figure out that there was another fuse not in the fusebox... Hope that's it... Collin From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 14:48:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05535 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23913 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id OAA25112 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00658 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust045.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.45]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA31263 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:49:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990130193958.006b2eb4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:39:58 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Tomorrow's Dirt Road Ride The pre-ride went well, it was needed, Bull Run Mountain Road is closed. Here is the route for tomorrow. I have 20 route sheets printed up and will bring the extras to the party. It turns out that it's now 37.6 miles long, 19.3 miles of pavement and 18.3 miles unpaved. It took me 3 hours to ride it, but that includes the time to make sure that Bull Run Mountain Road really was closed (it is) and I stopped at each corner to write down the mileage and location. See you all at McDonalds in Centreville, VA on VA28 just south of US29 ready to ride at noon! Dist Action Route Condition And Go 0.0 Left 28 North Pavement 1.4 1.4 Left Braddock Rd Pavement 5.3 6.7 Continue Pavement Ends Dirt 2.7 9.4 Continue Cross Gum Springs Dirt 2.3 11.7 Right Braddock Rd Dirt 1.1 12.8 Continue Pavement Begins Pavement 0.7 13.5 Left New Rd Dirt 1.0 14.5 Straight Cross US15 Dirt 0.5 15.0 Continue Pavement Begins Pavement 2.3 17.3 Right Ridge Rd Dirt 0.9 18.2 Left Summit Dr Dirt 0.5 18.7 U Turn Top of Bull Mtn Dirt 0.5 19.2 Right Ridge Rd Dirt 0.9 20.1 Right Mountain Rd Pavement 0.9 21.0 Straight Cross Log Mill Rd Pavement 2.5 23.5 Continue Pavement Ends Dirt 1.2 24.7 Right Waterfall Rd Pavement 0.9 25.6 Continue Waterfall Rd Pavement 1.6 27.2 Right Bust Head Rd Dirt 2.9 30.1 Right Landmark Rd Pavement 3.4 33.5 Continue Landmark Rd Pavement 0.3 33.8 Continue Pavement Ends Dirt 3.8 37.6 Right US 50 Pavement To the Party! Leon. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 15:13:01 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05900 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust045.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.45]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA31802; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:14:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990130200458.006affb4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:04:58 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , louis@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: My bike won't start... Cc: DC-Cycles List Other possibilities might include corrosion in one of the switches, (sidestand, clutch, ignition, starter) or a corroded connector or battery cable. At 02:27 PM 1/30/99 -0500, Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >It's a Cowasucky..get A suzuki..troubles ended :) I rather liked one of the three Suzuki's I've owned. The other two were time and money sinks. >Underneath you'll find a blown 30 amp >fuse most likely.... I did the same thing on the EX500 and it took >forever to figure out that there was another fuse not in the fusebox... >Hope that's it... So do I, the fuse is much easier to fix than corrosion. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 15:28:55 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06132 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:28:54 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 106h0E-0005Oz-00; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:28:26 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA09463; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15909; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:28:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901302028.PAA15909@shell.clark.net> Subject: Kill switch was on To: cog@XXXXXX (COG Email), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:28:51 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I should have remembered to mention, I checked the cut off switch 3 times. (already had a few people ask about that.) It was on Run. I'll check out some of the suggestions that I received so far. Thanks, Louis From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 15:41:16 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06282 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06274 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:41:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990130153537.009487a0@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:41:52 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: Re: Be on the lookout revisited.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At the risk of starting a flameout, I have to speak up. On the 24th of January (last Sunday), Jack posted the below message (edited for length). Ladies and gentlemen, Jack is absolutely 100% full of shit. The rider referenced below did not wreck, nor has the 996 been dropped at all. I can only imagine the rest of the story was bull as well. No wonder he didn't "call the cops about it." I spoke with the salesman that dealt with these four kids today. All four of them are experienced riders, over 18, and have not wrecked, dropped, or damaged their new motorcycles in any way. Next time, Jack, stop trying to impress the listers and keep your falsehoods to yourself. At 18:21 24-01-99 , WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: I approached this turn, slowed and came around. Lo >and behold, what did I see? Take a WILD guess! There was a crumpled green >ZX9 making love to the guard rail. I slowed and noticed a few kids standing >around and thought "No way, this cant be". I stopped and saw a red 996 and a >yellow 748. Yep, thats right, it was them. After chatting with them for a >few minutes I came to find out that they were going way too fast on this road >in the rain, didnt realize that corner was there and the green ZX9 didnt make >it with fresh tires and even fresher rain. The kid got lucky and was thrown >off. His legs got pretty rashed up but was lucky that thats all there was. >You should have seen the look on his face. That should put the fear of God in >him and the rest of them. They did NOT want this reported to the police as >none of the bikes were insured (I guess Colemans didnt ask) and only the kid >on the 996 had even a LICENSE to ride a motorcycle. I figured they may have >learned a lesson so I didnt call the cops about it. I mounted my TL and >started the motor and guess what? The kid who JUST CRASHED asked me "How much >did that bike cost?". JEEEZZZZ.....I told him to learn how to ride first, Jack wes@XXXXXX http://shadow.newspeak.org/ '96 Honda Shadow "Ghetto Sled" '78 Honda CB750 "Extra Sled" SOHC/4 #1017 VJMC #1884 SCRC #11001 (VA State Officer) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 15:49:17 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06451 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24063 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (known imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25786 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:49:12 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0TLVa04795 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:48:23 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Be on the lookout revisited.... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 In a message dated 1/30/99 3:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX writes: << Next time, Jack, stop trying to impress the listers and keep your falsehoods to yourself. >> LOL, sorry, I was bored....needed to spice the list up a bit. I didnt think anyone believed me anyway. On a similar note, I saw them up at Colemans on Friday afternoon. Hmm, happened to notice the whole crew was there, MINUS the blue ZX9. Maybe, I am just psychic? Jack Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 16:11:29 1999 Return-Path: wes@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06766 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from chibamonkey (chibamonkey.bitchboy.net [209.122.88.4]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13284 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:11:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990130161038.0094dc30@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: wes@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:12:13 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: wes fleming Subject: Re: Be on the lookout revisited.... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well, I'm glad you got a laugh out of it at the expense of any credibility you might have established with the group. I certainly hope you don't conduct your professional life in the same cavalier manner in which you have demonstrated you conduct your social life. At 15:48 30-01-99 , you wrote: >In a message dated 1/30/99 3:46:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, wes@XXXXXX >writes: > ><< Next time, Jack, stop trying to impress the listers and keep your > falsehoods to yourself. >> > >LOL, sorry, I was bored....needed to spice the list up a bit. I didnt think >anyone believed me anyway. On a similar note, I saw them up at Colemans on >Friday afternoon. Hmm, happened to notice the whole crew was there, MINUS the >blue ZX9. Maybe, I am just psychic? > >Jack > >Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 17:55:12 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08547 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:55:10 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup41.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.41]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35317) with SMTP id <0F6E0040CAAWOR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:54:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:54:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Be on the lookout revisited.... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <002e01be4ca3$8082f980$294937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal wes@XXXXXX >>writes: >Well, I'm glad you got a laugh out of it at the expense of any credibility >you might have established with the group. What credibility? > I certainly hope you don't >conduct your professional life in the same cavalier manner in which you >have demonstrated you conduct your social life. Jack-ass strikes again........ Jon From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 19:41:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10177 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24849 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (known imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28617 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:41:51 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DPLDa04317 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:40:55 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6173d853.36b3a697@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:40:55 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Jeez yall Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Ever heard of a joke? Oh well, uptight seems to be the standard for this list. LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE! BTW, who was it that said that all those kids had no riding experience? Anyway, chill out and dont take everything so seriously and anally. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 19:48:56 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10343 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:48:55 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4WNTa00808; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:46:58 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <635045a2.36b3a802@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:46:58 EST To: louis@XXXXXX, cog@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My bike won't start... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/30/99 1:46:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, louis@XXXXXX writes: << I turned the ignition on with the key, gave it choke, and pressed the starter button. Nothing. Not even a click (that my hearing aids can pick up anyway). The signal lights were on, as well as the tail light. But even after pressing the starter, the headlight did not go on. >> My '93 FZR does this when it's cold. I usually have to give it a push start and then it's fine. I took the battery out, charged it and still had to give it a push. My '91 used to do the same thing. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 19:57:57 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10489 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24879 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:57:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (known imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id TAA28934 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UOZZa03538 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:57:04 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <498561c4.36b3aa60@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 19:57:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My bike won't start... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/30/99 7:53:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << << I turned the ignition on with the key, gave it choke, and pressed the starter button. Nothing. Not even a click (that my hearing aids can pick up anyway). The signal lights were on, as well as the tail light. But even after pressing the starter, the headlight did not go on. >> Im going to hit on some obvious things. Sidestand switch? Jammed or gummed up maybe? Starter wiring OK? Fouled plugs? GAS? Not enough gas to start while on the sidestand? It really sounds like one of those "duhh" things we get sometimes. Jack From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 20:33:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11017 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA25003 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (known imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id UAA29375 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4NEDa15302; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:32:20 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <44c508b1.36b3b2a4@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:32:20 EST To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: My bike won't start... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/30/99 8:02:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, WantAZX6@XXXXXX writes: << ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << << I turned the ignition on with the key, gave it choke, and pressed the starter button. Nothing. Not even a click (that my hearing aids can pick up anyway). The signal lights were on, as well as the tail light. But even after pressing the starter, the headlight did not go on. >> >> This part wasn't from me. My part was about the having to give it a push when it's cold. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 20:39:42 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11097 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:39:41 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8IDNa05340 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:38:38 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:38:38 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Did anyone show for Happy Hour? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I was there from 5:55 to 6:20 and couldn't find anyone. It started getting too crowded for me so I left. Although, the look on the ladies face at the front door was priceless when I asked if anyone by the name of "Little Biker Babe" or anyone from DC-Cycles was there. LilBikrBabe, I don't know your real name, I went to your office about 5:35 but no one there. Sorry I missed the party. Anyway, see y'all at Jeanette's tomorrow. GO STEELERS! hehe Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 20:51:32 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11341 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:51:30 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BIKFa03463 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:49:27 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <262c66ca.36b3b6a7@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 20:49:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Did anyone show for Happy Hour? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 236 Where and when do you all meet and who is the little biker babe? In a message dated 1/30/99 8:44:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScooterFZR@XXXXXX writes: << I was there from 5:55 to 6:20 and couldn't find anyone. It started getting too crowded for me so I left. Although, the look on the ladies face at the front door was priceless when I asked if anyone by the name of "Little Biker Babe" or anyone from DC-Cycles was there. LilBikrBabe, I don't know your real name, I went to your office about 5:35 but no one there. Sorry I missed the party. Anyway, see y'all at Jeanette's tomorrow. GO STEELERS! hehe Scooter >> From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 30 23:45:57 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13900 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.32]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:41:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , "COG Email" , "DC-Cycles List" Subject: RE: My bike won't start... Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:47:25 -0500 Message-ID: <004401be4cd4$cc266a80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <199901301835.NAA01187@shell.clark.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Is there a main fuse that might be blown? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: louis@XXXXXX [mailto:louis@XXXXXX] > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 1:35 PM > To: COG Email; DC-Cycles List > Subject: My bike won't start... > > > > Here's the story and history. > > I haven't been on the Concours in two weeks. (The medicine I'm taking for > an ear infection gives me insomnia, I don't feel like riding when drowsey > all day, although working while drowsey is fine :-) ) > > On Wednesday I changed the fuse in the Widder connection. (blew > it a while > ago when some wires on the vest connection touched.) I checked it > with a multimeter, to make sure the connection was going through. The > first time I accidently crossed the leads, so pos went to neg and > vice versa. This caused the needle to drop below zero. I figured the > only damage it would cause was to the meter. I reversed the leads and > tried again, and this time it worked, it showed 12.5 volts. I figured > everything was cool with the Widder lead, and put the saddle back on, > and called it a day. > > Today when I decided to go for a ride (slept very late, and woke up > feeling really refreshed for the first time in a while) I got all suited > up and ready to go. I turned the ignition on with the key, gave it > choke, and pressed the starter button. Nothing. Not even a click (that > my hearing aids can pick up anyway). The signal lights were on, as well > as the tail light. But even after pressing the starter, the headlight > did not go on. I checked the fuse box thinking maybe I blew something. > They were all fine. (If 4 out of 6 fuses are 10 amps, why does the Connie > have a spare 30 and 15 amp, but not 10?) > > I then checked the battery directly. It had water. And was reading 12.5 > volts. I'm at a lost of where to go now. Any suggestions? Since I > park outside an apartment building, I haven't been able to to keep the > battery on a charger, if that would have any influence. > > If this doesn't sound like a minor thing, I hope it's something covered > by warrentee! (but even more than that, I hope it's something simple > that I overlooked and can fix in a jiffy) > > Thanks for any help, > > Louis > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 31 09:54:56 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23622 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 106yGX-000546-00; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:54:25 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27495; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07373; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:54:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901311454.JAA07373@shell.clark.net> Subject: Bike is running now To: cog@XXXXXX (COG Email), dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 09:54:51 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text With the help of Kevin Long and Dale Horstman, my Concours is running again. Kevin suggested trying to "bump" the bike and release the clutch to see if the engine was somehow stuck (I forget the exact phrase he used). Dale came over this morning, and he and I tried a few things, including Kevin's suggestion. Also raised an lowered the side stand a few times, it felt stiff, so that may or may not have been a factor too. I'll try to give it some WD-40 to see if that helps. After that the bike gave a feeble grunt, which is more than I got before. Primed the fuel a little, gave her lots of choke (temps about freezing) and after a few tries the motor finally caught. Whew, I'm glad that's over. Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions. [ and yes, I check the Engine Cutoff switch! :-) ] Louis From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 31 16:06:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29310 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29116 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (known saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA12923 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA06334 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust030.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.30]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA29563 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:07:36 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990131205827.0069eef4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:58:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: The Dirt Road Ride The ride was a lot of fun. No accidents, the only close call was when I fell asleep instead of watching the directions and missed a corner. A couple of guys blew by me when I braked to turn around and get it. The pace was too slow for the dual sport riders, but no one else complained to me. Participants were: Louis Caplan - Kawasaki Concours Chris Norloff - BMW K100LT Hugh Caldwell - Kawasaki ZR750 Herb Manell - Honda Magna (94) Todd Peer - Honda Nighthawk 750 Leslie Forewright - Kawasaki KLR650 Yiftah Niv - Suzuki DR650 Dale Horstman - Kawasaki KZ400 Danny Thompson - Suzuki DR350 Leon Begeman - Kawasaki EX250 Herb didn't get to ride much, he got some bad gas and ended up replacing it instead of riding. We did meet him at the end of the ride, so with presence at both the start and at the finish, he gets credit for the ride. We need to count him, otherwise the Kawasaki's have a clear majority. Louis mentioned that Ridge Road was a lot like Deal's Gap except the turns were tighter, it went up the side of the mountain and it wasn't paved. He also mentioned putting a crease in his new Russell seat while riding that road. I'm impressed, that's a tough road to ride with a big, top heavy touring bike. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 31 21:02:52 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA03655 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:02:39 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9OHPa00804; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:00:48 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <2f36fa71.36b50ad0@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:00:48 EST Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, gustoe@XXXXXX, Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Polar Bear Challange Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 If you didn't go, or didn't know you missed a real treat. Put on as fundraiser for an all- volunteer little radio station in Monterey Va. the first annual event, I hope there will be more, featured a seventy or so mile ride through what must be some of the best motorcycle country in the east. Mile after mile followed by curve after curve and hill after hill on well maintained roads. And most of them deserted. What a blast! Saturday evening the Sprocket Brothers--Tooth and Link-- played an eclectic mix of music in the gym of what used to be the school house for the town. Participants were fed from the endless pot of biker chile while they drooled over new bikes displayed by three dealers. Over Sunday morning coffee juice and pastries we planned our different routes home and drooled some more. Be sure to put this event on your calender for next year. Bob From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 31 22:20:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04857 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA00643 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (known olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.8.5/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id WAA18043 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.27]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:16:43 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: $100 for two Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01be4d92$17e06b20$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Today, for the sum of two $50 bills, I picked up one 1978 Goldwing with Vetter luggage. Next week, I pick up another bike of the same vintage. First bike is rolling and complete, but needs new forks:( Haven't seen the second bike: it's in boxes. But, with a good set of forks, a month of Sundays, $100 worth of screws, fasteners, seals, etc. I'll have at least one more Wing. I'm hoping that the 'boxed' Wing is all good except for the forks. In which case, I'll call or visit the cycle bone yards looking for new forks. But, it's got a good frame, engine and tranny are nice. Wheels and tires are in good shape. Also, the Vetter cases are kinda ratted out on this one, but in good shape on the other one. So, one more dresser for me (but my dad will likely be the one who rides it) and a naked GL (finally, I get to build my naked streetbike. Dual headlight GL, here I come) for me to keep. Much more of this, and I'll join Leon's Cheap Assed Motorcycles Club. Sorry I missed the party, but I couldn't pass this up. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 31 22:24:41 1999 Return-Path: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04875 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:24:39 -0500 (EST) From: rdrdr@XXXXXX Received: from default (207-172-243-49.s49.as3.rkv.erols.com [207.172.243.49]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17965 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:24:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36B54730.4C02@erols.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:18:24 -0800 Reply-To: rdrdr@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Northern Virginia Trail Riders` Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------608F67146270" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------608F67146270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good ride Leon and thanks - now as promised, to all those who really enjoyed spinning the tires off pavement here is the info. on the Northern Virginia Trail Riders (NVTR): Elizabeth Schelin is the club president and can be reached at dirtdogs@XXXXXX. the club has a homepage at: http://www.nvtr.org This group is responisble for the always excellent AMA sanctioned event Shenandoah 500 Dual Sport Ride. Dues are an modest annual $30.00. GREAT group of people. Sorry I missed the Superbowl party ! I even had nachos and salsa to bring over... Fun game though. Niv DR650 --------------608F67146270 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="www.nvtr.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="www.nvtr.org" Content-Base: "http://www.nvtr.org" Northern Virginia Trail Riders

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