From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 10:42:43 1999 Return-Path: stpeter@XXXXXX Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (root@XXXXXX [206.151.9.249]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15080 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from jaypeter (th-1-33.patriot.net [206.29.51.35]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15557 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:38:04 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:01:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE352A.AFF7BE20.stpeter@patriot.net> From: "Jay St. Peter" Reply-To: "stpeter@XXXXXX" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Cold Weather Riding Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:01:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 19 TEXT The coldest I've ever ridden was -12. I rode from my house in Falls Church to Fair Oaks mall just before Christmas (about 6 years ago). There was a serious cold spell. When I left the house it was 0. The bank near Fair Oaks said -12 as I left the mall. My body was fine in my Spartan suit. Hands/feet were another issue. When I got home, I was barely able to get the bike onto the sidestand. When I got off the bike, I fell over because my feet hurt so bad. It took about 3 days until they felt normal again. It was fun for a while, but the last 10 minutes were torture. On another note, I am also willing and able to help out with a tow. I have a truck with ramps/tie-downs. My ramp is a little short, so the lower fairing will rub the top of the ramp unless a suitable curb/hill can be found. I can be reached at 7035324102 (home, falls church) and 7037373001x125 (work, leesburg). Spartan Suit mentioned above for sale, it barely looks used. I just got a Widder vest for X-mas. Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 18:59:03 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22301 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:59:01 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DNFMa03212; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:58:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 18:58:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Rick_Royer@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Biker Chic Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 My 48 year young wife just completed the PARR polar Bear run as a passenger without electrics and without a wimper. I'm so luckey! Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 20:34:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23712 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA05320 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:34:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA12079 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from glll6 ([12.78.120.155]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990102013336.CQCG15946@glll6> for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:33:36 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990101203334.009f87d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: aki.damme@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:33:34 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Aki Damme Subject: unsubscribe info please In-Reply-To: <005301be3517$79584320$c621accf@ursulina> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" as my new job requires a goodly chunk of my time, I think it best to temporarily unsubscribe from this list...can someone please send me the instructions to do so as I lost all that info when I left my old job. tks, -aki From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 20:52:24 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA24022 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.17]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 230; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 20:50:30 -0500 Message-ID: <368D7C45.1FB6A41E@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 20:54:13 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alpha CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Head count... References: <01BE32C9.1C4A76D0.Alpha@tidalwave.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been meaning to respond to this ever since I first saw it. Does my Concours count? :) It's basically a shaftie Ninja ZX-10 with hard bags and tall windshield. It's been known to hang out with other Ninja's (even one that thinks it's a John Deere), and it would probably have it's feelings hurt if it was wasn't allowed to play with all the other Ninjas out there. :) Just curious. I'll have to break the news gently to BugSlayer if it's not allowed to come along. :) Dale (the Horkster) Alpha wrote: > > Hi all! > I was wondering how many of you riders in the DC/VA area ride Ninjas or > EX500's > I think it would be nice to round up all the Ninja people and EX 500's and > do a ride... -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 1 21:05:57 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24252 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.17]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 44 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:04:01 -0500 Message-ID: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 21:07:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Polar Bear Ride Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Witnessed a mishap today in our little group on the PARR Polar Bear ride. One of our newer listers, Karl Mueller, took an offroad excursion after an icy corner, resulting in minor damage to his Ninja, and a broken left arm for Karl. I saw most of the action in my mirrors, I thought Karl was gonna save it until his front tire got caught in a shallow ditch in some farmer's field. Down on the left side, mirror and some plastic broken. Leon and I cut short the ride, went back home to get Leon's trailer and drove back down to Southern Maryland to retrieve Karl's bike and brought it home. Saw Karl and his Dad as they were leaving the hospital, he'll be in a cast for about 5 weeks. If anyone wants to send any kind words of encouragement to Karl, his e-mail addy is kamuelle@XXXXXX Memo to me, if I'm ever gonna crash, I'm gonna do it in Charles County, Maryland. Rescue and Police response was outstanding for a frigid New Years Day - Karl was on a backboard and neck brace (both unnecessary, but it was nice to see that the rescue personnel were cautious) and safely tucked into the ambulance within about 25 minutes of going down. I was impressed. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 01:54:40 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA28270 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:54:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 01:41:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Polar Bear Ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:47:05 -0500 Message-ID: <006001be361b$b5c424a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Where in Chas. Co. was the crash? Know lots of people on the various rescue squads, and might need to tell 'em what happened if they are talking about it at work on Monday. BTW, glad there was no 'major' injury. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 06:39:40 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05368 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:39:39 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WICVa19764; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:38:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3812ed60.368e054d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 06:38:53 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/2/99 2:01:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: > > Where in Chas. Co. was the crash? Know lots of people on the various > rescue > squads, and might need to tell 'em what happened if they are talking about > it at work on Monday. > > BTW, glad there was no 'major' injury. > How fast was he going when it happened? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 09:35:27 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07863 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id IAA04360; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:33:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.185]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990102143351.RNRQ19548@toddnt>; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:33:51 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles" Cc: Subject: RE: Polar Bear Ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:36:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be365d$3b060020$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman reported: > > Witnessed a mishap today in our little group on the PARR > Polar Bear ride. One of our newer listers, Karl Mueller, > took an offroad excursion after an icy corner, resulting > in minor damage to his Ninja, and a broken left arm for Karl. Ouchy! Wow this really sucks. Damn Karl, I'm real sorry to hear this happened. I've never had more than a chipped bone (knock on wood),and that hurt. I won't even pretend to know how you feel now.. > > Leon and I cut short the ride, went back home to get Leon's > trailer and drove back down to Southern Maryland to retrieve > Karl's bike and brought it home. Saw Karl and his Dad as they > were leaving the hospital, he'll be in a cast for about 5 weeks. The buddy system. Best (safest at least) way to ride. > If anyone wants to send any kind words of encouragement to Karl, > his e-mail addy is kamuelle@XXXXXX > > Memo to me, if I'm ever gonna crash, I'm gonna do it in Charles > County, Maryland. Rescue and Police response was outstanding for > a frigid New Years Day - Karl was on a backboard and neck brace > (both unnecessary, but it was nice to see that the rescue personnel > were cautious) and safely tucked into the ambulance within about 25 > minutes of going down. I was impressed. That is impressive. You guys must have been real close to a firestation. Heal well Karl. Todd From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 10:59:07 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09046 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.190]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 221; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:57:24 -0500 Message-ID: <368E42C5.73B768C3@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:01:09 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, DC Cycles Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride References: <3812ed60.368e054d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably only 20-30 mph, we were taking it pretty slow due to the cold temps and small patches of ice. That corner was the first questionable one we had encountered that day. The roads up to that point were pretty clear. Dale STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > > How fast was he going when it happened? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 11:53:12 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09826 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:53:11 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id LVDYa20555; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:51:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 11:51:29 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Re: Polar Bear Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 That corner also had a clear patch about 18 inches wide on the right side of the road Bob From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 12:12:16 1999 Return-Path: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10119 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Received: from McKeithen@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TTICa01428; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:11:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <944c6c6b.368e533f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:11:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: , Jploon@XXXXXX, Rick_Royer@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Polar Bear ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 Yesterday Nancy and I took our first fairly long ride in the cold. We went on a ride sponsored by a local MC club which they run every New Years Day. I think it has been going on for several years. Riders and passengers get a polar bear pin and a year bar to hang under it. I saw several folks with multiple bars. Our total mileage was a little over 200. Thats from home to starting point, and back home. The ride itself was only about fifty miles and consisted of back roads in Charles County, Md. I must say the scenery was not all that great. Mostly scrub oak flat lands. I guess we get a little spoiled living were we live, but I'm sure the "city folks" enjoyed it. Met some very nice people. Especially an couple a bit older than us. They have been riding for yaers. He started at 17 and she about ten years ago. They were riding double on a very fancy Gold Wing, although she has her Helix scooter. The temps were in the upper twenties for most of the day, but felt much colder in the mid afternoon when the sun disappeared. Nancy was really a trooper. We left home about 8:330 AM and got back around 6:30 Pm. That last hour was just about an hour too long. We both got a little chilled. All in all good fun. Probably no riding today or tomorrow. Just started snowing and it is supposed to change to freezing rain and sleet tonight and Sunday. Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 13:00:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10818 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14212 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21152 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:56:37 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: Polar Bear Ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:02:19 -0500 Message-ID: <009101be367a$0a259de0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <368E4218.95734B0A@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 My uncle and grandmother live on that road. And yes, the rescue squad is VERY close to where it happened. Still, it's all volunteer, so that reaction time sounds pretty good. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 13:02:53 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10828 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:59:42 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Polar Bear ride Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:05:25 -0500 Message-ID: <009201be367a$78a2d580$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <944c6c6b.368e533f@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Considering that all of Chas. Co. west of route 301 is swamp (and 50% east of there is also) the fact that there are any curved roads is amazing. I guess that the ride explains all of the bikes my father and I saw on the way to the DC auto show. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:12:09 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11836 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RYLZa04794; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:06:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:06:27 EST To: McKeithen@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/2/99 12:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, McKeithen@XXXXXX writes: > > That corner also had a clear patch about 18 inches wide on the right side > of > the road > Bob > It seems like sometimes there is nothing you can do to avoid a spill. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:17:26 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA11914 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:17:24 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TXORa01433 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:16:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <645f924f.368e709a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:16:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: fairings Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I asked the dealer about fairings for the marauder 800. They said none are available. The windshield is great but I am looking for something lower shielding. It was suggested by the service dept. that I get Baker Airways and get a custom mount. Even though the service and sales dept knew about them, the parts dept didn't have a clue. Any suggestions? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:28:09 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12075 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:28:08 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2ZKQa23181 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:26:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <787513d4.368e72e0@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:26:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: chain maintenance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Anyone know about a center stand for the marauder 800? How do you clean/wax the chain without a center stand? Recomendation thus far received is to use a car jack and balance on the front wheel and the side stand. I haven't tried it but I can't picture this being done safely. Any advice? I wonder what a RUB does. I suppose I am a poor version of a RUB but am trying to get better. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:33:46 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12168 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-9.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.50]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA30628 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be3686$76297aa0$3210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: MC racing in Baltimore Jan 22-24 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:10:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Spotted in the Post -- "High-flying motorcyclists compete at the PJI National Arena Cross racing event, Jan 22-24 at Baltimore Arena, 201 W. Baltimore St., Baltimore. Call 202 432-7328 (service charges)." Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Built for low flying Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:33:47 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12171 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-9.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.50]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA30632 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be3686$76da7b20$3210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Guaranteed Weather Forecasts (not kidding) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:30:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 If this is all it says it is, it's a new way of life. http://www.weatherplanner.com/ includes a MONEY-BACK, SATISFACTION GUARANTEE for $15-$20 forecasts for up to a year in advance. ("We've had a grand total of 10 people (out of 2,000) ask for their money back." -- presumably since the site start in 1997) Website usage so far is said to be centered around weddings, reunions, family vacations and sporting events. (No motorcycle event usage mentioned (yet).) This written up in the New York Times (12/31/98 p.E5) as a highly credible, professionally-based service. "Before [the site] the parent company, Strategic Weather Services, built its reputation by providing weather forecasting for businesses [agriculture, entertainment, etc.]," the article said. Registration is required and hard copy output is possible. Understanding that weather forecasting has mounting reliability as massive number crunching comes to play -- why not this welcome step? Well, who knows what the weather gods have in store for us MCers. But if it comes through as, apparently, for others . . .. To be revisited after several months Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Let me swerve around poor weather Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 14:33:49 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12174 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-9.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.50]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA30641 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be3686$789e2420$3210b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Having vibration problems? (humor) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 14:01:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 The chatter decreases at higher roadspeed -- http://www.macnelly.com/archivefolder/macnelly_edtoon112798.jpeg Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 No square, I Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 15:23:35 1999 Return-Path: ph@XXXXXX Received: from oak.eainet.com (root@XXXXXX [206.136.246.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12948 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak (oak [206.136.246.2]) by oak.eainet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05426; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:23:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Hartzler X-Sender: ph@oak Reply-To: Peter Hartzler To: STARAI@XXXXXX cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: chain maintenance In-Reply-To: <787513d4.368e72e0@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm surprised you haven't yet taken my advice and joined the Marauder list. Many of your bike specific questions are disussed there. marauder-request@XXXXXX should work... One lister created a simple center stand with a few 2x4s. He created a big 'L' shaped thing. One piece of 2x4 comes off of a heavier block, to form the L, as in lever. He puts this under his chassis, pulls up on the lever, and up comes his rear wheel. I use a floor jack, which is a bit dicey. The other way to wax the chain is to do a bit, move the bike, do another bit, etc. Pete. On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: > Anyone know about a center stand for the marauder 800? > > How do you clean/wax the chain without a center stand? Recomendation thus far > received is to use a car jack and balance on the front wheel and the side > stand. > > I haven't tried it but I can't picture this being done safely. Any advice? > > I wonder what a RUB does. I suppose I am a poor version of a RUB but am > trying to get better. > From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 17:18:19 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14575 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:18:17 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5DZVa04794; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:17:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9eb21301.368e9adf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:17:03 EST To: ph@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: chain maintenance Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/2/99 3:23:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, ph@XXXXXX writes: > marauder-request@XXXXXX I tried the above address to subscribe right after receiving your email. I have sent another just now. It seems strange that a mechanical kluge is necessary to perform routine maintenance. From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 21:42:45 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA18396 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tc2-s40.wizard.net (tc2-s40.wizard.net [206.161.15.116]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11979 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:42:42 -0500 From: 2xracers@XXXXXX (Anita Lauro) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Member Roster Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 21:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: <368eda4f.1172174@smtp.wizard.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I've finally had the time to update the member roster... so my apologies to those of you who filled out the survey and were wondering if your info would *ever* show up! :-) Good news as well... figured out a quick way to make all the home page URL's and email addresses "clickable"... it was a simple as putting a space (i.e. hit the spacebar) after the entry. Wierd, but who can argue with Bill Gates, right? :-) Anyhow... updates are done... now on to my next project (top secret!). Anita PS - Where's the big snow storm? Huh? Huh? D*mn weatherpeople!! :-) From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 2 22:31:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19126 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18856 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27743 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:31:27 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1YZIa05340; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:30:53 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 22:30:53 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_915334256_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_915334256_boundary Content-ID: <0_915334256@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is for anyone who wants it. Just forwarding this along, Please dont direct comments or questions to me. Sean... --part0_915334256_boundary Content-ID: <0_915334256@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Gawthrop@XXXXXX Return-path: Subject: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:36:43 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Heads up and commo check. Now that the MD Legislature is about to start up, we will be keeping you abreast of issues pertaining to riders. Please pass this information on to other riders The Maryland Legislature is preparing to start business and the first issue out of the chute will be the .08 bac (blood alcohol content). If the .08 bac legislation is passed, expect a tightening of the social safety ratchet. Remember, where there is a bike event, there are "routine" police stops checking for........ A couple of points about the .08 bac. 1. A 120 lb woman will be criminalized after two 6 oz drinks in two hours (NTSHA). 2. The proposed legislation criminalizing this woman will not address repeat offenders in the .10 and above category that the courts continue to release or be lienient on. 3. Instead of focusing on repeat offenders, what this legislation does is broaden the base of the pyramid making criminals of a larger part of the population without addressing the problems higher up the pyramid. . 4. It constitutes a greater adversary relationship with the police because now, after the normal, and non-criminal office party or other non criminal social event, drivers will be more at risk by police check points. Again, instead of going after the drunk driver, the legislation will snare others . 5. Police, under NHTSA guidelines, categorize vehicle accidents, and incidents as alcohol related even when some one other than the driver has alcohol about them. For example, in vehicle -pedestrian, vehicle-bicycle accidents, if the driver is completely free of alcohol and the pedestrian or bicyclist has drinking, the incident is listed at "alcohol involved" These figures are then used to bias stats against drivers. (Makes it look like ALL drivers involved in these incidents are drinking when they are not.) 6. There is no study or set of facts specific to Maryland describing the at fault accident rate for drivers with a bac of .08 to .10. This legislation is not clearly supported by facts but is instead driven by unsupported and emotionally charged assumptions. The bottom line is: Do we want to lower a threshold that will criminalize a 120 lb person for having two glasses of wine in two hours? Please do three things: a. Relay this email to others b. Fire a letter off to your local paper c. Contact your State Delegate (httpt://mlis.state.md.us) Bill Gawthrop, Anne Arundel County Chapter, ABATE of Maryland. --part0_915334256_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 00:58:44 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21156 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:55:32 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: fairings Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:01:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00d501be36de$7cfabf80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <645f924f.368e709a@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Baker Airwings. They might have a sight reachable by going to: http://www.inb.net and then selecting corporate clients. AirWings are those air diverters you see on a lot of touring bikes. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 01:00:45 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21236 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:57:33 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: chain maintenance Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:03:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00d601be36de$c4a463e0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <787513d4.368e72e0@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Well, RUBs are riding on belt drive bikes... Spray the top length of the chain (or bottom, whichever you can reach) and roll the bike forward or backward enough to get the other part of the chain. No problem. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 01:05:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21318 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20791 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA29103 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 03 Jan 1999 01:02:38 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:08:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00d801be36df$7ae53080$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Check out the NMA site. I believe they have some info on the .08 BAC in general. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 02:42:01 1999 Return-Path: kamuelle@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA23363 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from kamuelle (207-172-73-50.s50.tnt1.man.erols.com [207.172.73.50]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA23343 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:41:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990103024110.008e3d40@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: kamuelle@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 02:41:10 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Karl Mueller Subject: Re: Polar Bear Ride In-Reply-To: <368D7F73.64945DD2@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" thanks to everyone who wrote get-well letters !! target-fixation + ice + big ditch in other-wise flat field = BAD unfortunately, i broke one of the bones in my left fore-arm, so i won't be riding for a while :(. but thanks to leon, dale, and (geez, i can't even remember your name.. sorry) i was able to get quick attention and my bike got home safely.. like dale said, the ambulance team was there before i finished my "oh damn, i did something stupid" cigarette.. oh well, typing with one hand is kinda tough (even tougher with all the pain-drugs i'm on). thanks again and ride safely everyone ;) --Karl Mueller 1988 (white/mud/grass-colored) EX500 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 03:41:25 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA24312 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA22119 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA00575 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-146-99.s99.tnt3.ann.erols.com [207.172.146.99]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03877; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:41:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <368F346C.CC4C0091@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 04:12:13 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX CC: balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is yet another reason why ABATE as an organization has very little respect in my eyes and will never get a penny of my money to help their causes..... Honestly, I don't see how the title is applicable... this isn't a new problem for MD motorcyclists...It's a simple thing.. If you drink, don't ride. period. And if you're the type that doesn't live by this rule, fine, but don't ever expect to ride in my company. Collin (rant mode off) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 08:46:46 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA28721 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwnrK-0006Ap-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:22 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA21944 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04273 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901031346.IAA04273@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: fairings (BakerBuilt webpage) To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:46:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Baker Airwings. They might have a sight reachable by going to: > > http://www.inb.net Actually I found them directly at: http://www.bakerbuilt.com/ Louis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Louis Caplan | DoD #1754 AMA #269779 | www.clark.net/~louis/cycle.htm Alexandria, VA | COG #2894 VCOM | 7th Place, Capitol 1000 louis@XXXXXX | '98 Kawasaki Concours | Mean Green Scream Machine From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 12:51:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02381 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26652 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:51:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [129.2.128.45]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04283 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from bandwidth.eng.umd.edu ((IDENT knee)@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.136]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.9.0.Beta6) with ESMTP id MAA27562; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:50:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert S. Fourney" Received: (from knee@localhost) by bandwidth.eng.umd.edu (8.9.0.Beta6/8.8.7) id MAA01722; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:50:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:50:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901031750.MAA01722@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu> To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: balt-cycles@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists Folks, please try to distinguish between the writings of Bill, who happens to be a member of ABATE and ABATE itself. I missed the last state meeting, and don't know if this bill was discussed or not. I'm sure that many in ABATE don't approve of this bill, and probably many others do. I'll make a few phone calls and post later if ABATE has taken any official position on this. In the meantime, don't paint us all with the same brush. Remember it was ABATE that first brought you the Baltimore Toy run, the Maryland MSF classes, and many other "good things" (TM). You're not currrently required to carry "extra" catastrophic insurance to ride in Maryland, thanks again to ABATE. You can park two bikes in a metered spot starting last year, etc, etc. I've been a county coordinator for ABATE for the last 2 or 3 years (stepped down this year) and I don't agree with everything WE do or try to do, but it's the only voice you have at the state level. I believe in the AMA and the MRF also, but at the state level these guys don't do a tenth of what ABATE does, at least here in Maryland. I'll also speak to Mr. Gawthrop and ask him to please make a better effort to distinguish his personal views from those of ABATE (again, I don't know if he did this this time, but when I find out I will call it to his attention) Bob Fourney From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 13:10:00 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02633 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 13:09:59 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup7.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.71]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F4Z00EJEX3L18@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:10:02 -0500 Subject: Front end wanted To: 400 list , Race List , dc-cycles Message-id: <001a01be3744$4b7c6560$474937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal I know someone who is looking to buy a complete front end. He wants USD units that will fit a FZR600. Early 90's GSX-R 750/1100, etc. He wants everything, wheels, triple, clip-ons, etc.. Let me know privately, thanks. Jon dawn.jon@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 16:21:34 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05656 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA21818 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.44.172.194]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990103212057.XFUF18494@toddnt> for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 15:20:57 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Like if ya ain't already getting enough..... Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:23:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be375f$3f0c8b00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 FYI > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-hsta@XXXXXX [mailto:owner-hsta@XXXXXX] > On Behalf Of Hawk > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 11:28 AM > To: Honda Sport Touring Association > Subject: Like if ya ain't already getting enough..... > > > Getting enough as in "e-mail", that is. Carl Paukstis has updated his > "mailinglistroundup" of motorcycle oriented "Lists". It's been updated as > of yesterday and contains "all known motorcycle-related mailing lists > available via Internet electronic mail". There's quite a few new groups. > Fyi... > http://www.micapeak.com/mailinglistroundup/ Hawk Hibbs "When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl." IBA, CBA/ABATE of NC (Life), AMA (Extra Mile), HSTA, MRF, BMWMOA. Current rides: 1998 VFR800F1 ("Jailbait") * 1985 XLH1000 ("$$%#&*!") From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 3 21:31:34 1999 Return-Path: pippinc@XXXXXX Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (uclink4.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.25.39]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10537 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu (sf-141.sfo.com [207.33.216.141]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15630; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:31:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3692C992.E6E605D7@uclink4.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:25:27 -0800 From: pippin Reply-To: pippin@XXXXXX Organization: Cavagnaro Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fzr-400@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX, 400list , RaceList , dc-cycles Subject: Re: FZR-400: Front end wanted References: <001a01be3744$4b7c6560$474937a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Need a front end: My friend has a FULL front end off a 1989 or 90 GSXR 750, he wants $500 obo: call Franz at 415-255-6170. Pippin From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 02:41:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA15867 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05426 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA15118 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:40:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.47]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 02:37:46 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: online tires Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 02:42:23 -0500 Message-ID: <008d01be37b5$c4357ac0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Found a tire seller online. Not sure what the prices are like for the sportier tires, but they had damned good prices on some Elite II's for my Wing. http://www.tiresunlimited.com/ ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:30:31 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20318 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:30:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990104123528.19402.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send204.yahoomail.com; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 04:35:28 PST Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 04:35:28 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Calling "Bike Dealer"....... To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am looking for the poster that works at a dealership.. Do you all sell Honda's??? More to follow... Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20612 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8FC4C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:04 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104074535.00fc34a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:47:15 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: military bases In-Reply-To: <02e501be34e6$df81c9e0$2f10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd like to see the Air Force or any of the other services use their motorcycle arguments everytime they destroy a taxpayer's airplane and kill pilot(s). Funny, but they seem to think THAT'S an okay risk. 10 years as a Navy civilian was enough for me, Chris Norloff At 12:56 PM 12/31/98 , mobacc wrote: >FWIW -- The January '99 Cycle World has a full column on MC-bashing by a >retiring Air Force general. p.10. Still on some stands. > >Bill S. / DC >99 VN750 generally attempting safety >Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: STARAI@XXXXXX >To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX ; >gixer@XXXXXX >Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 11:08 AM >Subject: Re: military bases > > >>If a car is legally on the street, you can bring it on base. The same >should >>be true for mtorcycles. Protective wear and an MSF course may be a good >idea, >>but it is not required to ride. >> >>In a message dated 12/31/98 8:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, >>christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: >> >>> >>> Collin, >>> >>> Federal Property is public land. It may get exception due to Nat'l >>> Security or something, but it is NOT a private entity exempt from public >>> laws (i.e. ADA, etc.). >>> >>> That notwithstanding, I agree with your positions about MCing on >post/base. >>> The rules and regs are NOT that tough (nothing that a responsible rider >>> shouldn't do), but they are not enforced in a uniform manner nor equally >>> with other "risky" behaviors. >>> >>> --chris (only in the service for the 22 years he spent as a dependent >;-) >>> >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:09 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20611 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8F94C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:01 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104073755.00fccf10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:38:22 -0500 To: "mobacc" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: weather In-Reply-To: <01bf01be3462$4b1d3fc0$2f10b1cd@newmicronpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:07 PM 12/30/98 , mobacc wrote: >Frigid on a bike? Immerse yourself in "To Build A Fire", a short by Jack >London (reread by yours truly last summer) and feel fortunate. Minus 50deg. >and the Yukon miner gets glove and match problems. A real chiller. That story always sends shivers up my spine ... literally and figuratively. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20616 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08481 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA18630 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8FD4C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:05 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104075129.00fe35a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:52:15 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 PM 1/2/99 , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: >The bottom line is: Do we want to lower a threshold that will criminalize a >120 lb person for having two glasses of wine in two hours? No, unless they try to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20617 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8FB4C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104074359.00fc76d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:44:37 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: military bases In-Reply-To: <998fcf92.368ba01c@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Be sure to use that argument with the gate guard. Chris Norloff At 11:02 AM 12/31/98 , STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >If a car is legally on the street, you can bring it on base. The same should >be true for mtorcycles. Protective wear and an MSF course may be a good idea, >but it is not required to ride. > >In a message dated 12/31/98 8:18:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, >christopher.meier@XXXXXX writes: > >> >> Collin, >> >> Federal Property is public land. It may get exception due to Nat'l >> Security or something, but it is NOT a private entity exempt from public >> laws (i.e. ADA, etc.). >> >> That notwithstanding, I agree with your positions about MCing on post/base. >> The rules and regs are NOT that tough (nothing that a responsible rider >> shouldn't do), but they are not enforced in a uniform manner nor equally >> with other "risky" behaviors. >> >> --chris (only in the service for the 22 years he spent as a dependent ;-) >> From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 07:50:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20621 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08487 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA18646 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9084C2056C; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:50:16 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104075455.00fc5080@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:56:44 -0500 To: "Robert S. Fourney" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Fwd: New Problems for MD Motorcyclists In-Reply-To: <199901031750.MAA01722@bandwidth.eng.umd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well said. The crazy thing about dealing with politics and groups of people trying to change laws (rights' groups, political action committees, etc.) is that there are few things that ALL agree on, but there's enough common ground to work together. Chris Norloff At 12:50 PM 1/3/99 , Robert S. Fourney wrote: > > Folks, please try to distinguish between the writings of Bill, >who happens to be a member of ABATE and ABATE itself. I missed the >last state meeting, and don't know if this bill was discussed or not. >I'm sure that many in ABATE don't approve of this bill, and probably >many others do. I'll make a few phone calls and post later if ABATE has >taken any official position on this. In the meantime, don't paint us >all with the same brush. Remember it was ABATE that first brought you >the Baltimore Toy run, the Maryland MSF classes, and many other "good >things" (TM). You're not currrently required to carry "extra" catastrophic >insurance to ride in Maryland, thanks again to ABATE. You can park two >bikes in a metered spot starting last year, etc, etc. I've been a >county coordinator for ABATE for the last 2 or 3 years (stepped down this >year) and I don't agree with everything WE do or try to do, but it's the >only voice you have at the state level. I believe in the AMA and the MRF >also, but at the state level these guys don't do a tenth of what ABATE does, >at least here in Maryland. > > I'll also speak to Mr. Gawthrop and ask him to please make >a better effort to distinguish his personal views from those of ABATE >(again, I don't know if he did this this time, but when I find out I >will call it to his attention) > > > Bob Fourney > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 08:36:17 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21376 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990104134114.8344.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.150] by send204.yahoomail.com; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 05:41:14 PST Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 05:41:14 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: Calling "Bike Dealer"....... To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Never-mind...question answered...thanks Anita... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 10:18:05 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send101.yahoomail.com (send101.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.87]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23096 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:18:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990104151719.18370.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send101.yahoomail.com; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 07:17:19 PST Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 07:17:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: NYC moto show - ride request from Arlington to Bus departure site To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Could anyone attending the January 16th New York City moto show bus trip offer me a ride from Arlington to the bus departure site? (I have a return ride already.) Please reply off-line at Nomad98@XXXXXX Thanks,Herb '94 Magna ---Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> wrote: > > On 23 Dec 98, at 16:01, Todd Peer wrote: > > > Where are you? > > There is a light dusting of snow sticking to cars and grassy areas > in Herndon. And, there is more coming down! I'm surprised my > coworkers haven't abandoned ship yet! :-) > > White Christmas? Bah Humbug! :-) > > Anita > '96 GPZ1100 > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 10:38:58 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23436 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id KAA01900 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104153823.CSJG652@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:38:23 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Careful of the Sand... Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:40:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be37f8$96192540$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal ...for those still riding. Found a downed rider not even a mile from my house this morning. He was taking a left onto the FFax Co Pkwy and lost the front due to the sand put down for this (pphhppt :p) winter storm we had Saturday evening. A superclean Superhawk that left signal globes and bits of plastic behind. Rider's ok. Not real clear how it happened as everything was broken on the right side and he was going left. Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 10:51:34 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23679 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX5NJZKP; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:50:31 EST To: stpeter@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Cold Weather Riding Message-ID: <19990102.170858.5167.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <01BE352A.AFF7BE20.stpeter@patriot.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-6,8-10 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 10:50:31 EST On Fri, 1 Jan 1999 02:01:44 -0500 "Jay St. Peter" writes: >The coldest I've ever ridden was -12. I rode from my house in Falls >Church to Fair Oaks mall just before Christmas (about 6 years ago). >Spartan Suit mentioned above for sale, it barely looks used. I just >got a Widder vest for X-mas. What size, color? I'm thinking of selling my car and buying a new motorcycle... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 11:21:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24252 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:21:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11090 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24887 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:21:11 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HESLa06037 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:20:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <27d00eed.3690ea34@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:20:04 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Careful of the Sand... -highside Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Possibly, he took the turn too quickly and his rear end slid out to the right and highsided him to the right. Bike would land on the right side I would think if its a slow speed highside. Jack From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 11:38:38 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24523 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 259 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:36:41 -0500 Message-ID: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 11:37:55 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Brr! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 degrees F. = 8-o Regards, Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 11:51:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24808 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA11572 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA26184 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id LAA27569; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104165039.EQXS652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:50:39 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Careful of the Sand... -highside Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:52:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be3802$aead8510$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <27d00eed.3690ea34@aol.com> That's possible and probable as the turn is on an off-cambor bit of pavement and the there did'nt appear to be any scraping. Bummer all the same. Todd > > Possibly, he took the turn too quickly and his rear end slid out > to the right > and highsided him to the right. Bike would land on the right side I would > think if its a slow speed highside. > > Jack > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:07:53 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25058 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA08902 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:07:01 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:07:01 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: DC Cycles List Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 09:07:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I gotta find something warmer than Dockers >for the lower half Dale - I've got a pair of bib ski pants that work for me into the lower 20s - not too fashionable, but what the hell... Get 'em big enough to pull over your regular pants, and away you go. I got mine at Burlington about 3 years ago. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:20:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25291 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11998 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA27268 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:40 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EWKVa01223 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8fcad59e.3690f846@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:20:06 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Brr! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I went out this morning and found it was just a tad too cold for me to go riding, but it sure isnt too cold to go spend my gift certificate at cycle world! I think Im gonna get some rain gear, fog city shield, and a new windscreen. its like a second christmas =). Sean... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:21:11 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25300 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA06636; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104171937.FMFT652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:19:37 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:21:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind protection. On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty :) Todd Dale Horstman wrote: > Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta > find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the > gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 > degrees F. = 8-o > > Regards, > Dale > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:53:28 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25794 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12387 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:53:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28324 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:53:21 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EDZa000804; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:35:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:35:23 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: keirnan racing supplies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Just a heads up to all those who are thinking about dealing with this company. Back in july I sent them a check for $164.95 for a dunlop d207, which never showed. I had to call them to get an answer. They said they were out of stock. so I said I will just leave it as a credit. Then, a few months back, I needed another tire, and they didnt respond to me or send one. ok, maybe they are just out of stock again. well about a month ago I ordered some winter gloves from them and I have had no response, no glove, no nothing from them. Today I just sent an email asking for my money back, no credit, no merchandise, just my $164.95. And I bet I will see no response from this either. Does anyone know of anyway I can get my money back? This business is run by one guy out of his house from what I understand, and the check has already been cashed. Sean 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 12:56:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25816 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0D31EDD0098; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:56:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104130126.00fe8010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:03:20 -0500 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Brr! Cc: Horkster@XXXXXX, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I bought polar-fleece lined wind pants (overpants) from Campmor (http://www.campmor.com). Very nice. Chris Norloff At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >protection. > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty >:) > >Todd > >Dale Horstman wrote: >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >> degrees F. = 8-o >> >> Regards, >> Dale >> >> -- >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >> horkster@XXXXXX >> Dale City, Virginia >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:02:11 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26001 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 319; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:01:34 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:01:30 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love being uncomfortable during my commute..... At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >protection. > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty >:) > >Todd > >Dale Horstman wrote: >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >> degrees F. = 8-o >> >> Regards, >> Dale >> >> -- >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >> horkster@XXXXXX >> Dale City, Virginia >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:17:20 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26281 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxEYm-0000E9-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:17:00 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:15:26 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB78@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: DC Cycles List Subject: Motorcycle in Motion Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:13:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE37E4.4B40C640" This message is in MIME format. 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13:41:03 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman , DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Brr! References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Troutman wrote: > > Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all > subject yourself to these torments. Because cars suck. > I love to ride, but I dont love being uncomfortable during my > commute..... I've got a car, the wife uses it instead of her bike when the temps drop below 50 or so - I guess my threshold is just lower. Currently it's 18 degrees. I've never gotten to try anything colder than that, so it's 18 degrees. But I'm not a big fan of ice, icy roads will generally force me to take a cage. And sometimes I choose not to ride to work during heavy morning monsoons, but those are rare. I can't say that I was uncomfortable this morning, if I was really cold, I would have stopped and put on my rainpants on the ride in. Todd is right, they block the wind enough to make those 18 degree days tolerable. :) > At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer > >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come > >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind > >protection. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:44:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26710 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:44:02 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA17378; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:45:18 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma017216; Mon, 4 Jan 99 13:44:46 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5100M56TEBCS@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EF.0066C184 ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:42:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:40:14 -0500 Subject: RE: Brr! To: Mike Troutman Cc: DC Cycles List Message-id: <852566EF.006658C6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Here we go ... geez Mike, why didn't you just say something about handguns or helmet laws? :-) --chris (preparing for the onslaught of e-mails) To: Todd Peer , Dale Horstman , DC Cycles List cc: From: Mike Troutman Date: 01/04/99 06:01:30 PM GMT Subject: RE: Brr! Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love being uncomfortable during my commute..... ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:52:49 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26874 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:52:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id MAA03001; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:52:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104185202.HPBE652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:52:02 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , "Dale Horstman" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:54:20 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01be3813$a33842e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Believe it or not Mike, I absolutely prefer my motorcycle over my car whenever I can. Cold weather is simply a challenge to be overcome. And it can be! I DO have a car, and occasionally drive in to work. Usually it is raining, or I plan to go shopping after work or something. There are days I wonder why I didn't drive. But when the weather's bad for days straight (icy roads, rainy rain, etc.), I go NUTS not riding. Can you say, obsession? It is an absolute thrill and relief to finally get back to the ride. I've often said to myself as I'm tooling along, "Yeah, it's (boiling hot/freezing cold/.etc.), but I'm glad I'm not in a cage." YMMV. ;) Todd Mike Troutman wrote: > Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all > subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can > understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love > being uncomfortable during my commute..... > > At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I > just suffer > >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain > pants will come > >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind > >protection. > > > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's > work great. > >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands > were toasty > >:) > > > >Todd > > > >Dale Horstman wrote: > >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta > >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the > >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 > >> degrees F. = 8-o > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dale > >> > >> -- > >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > >> horkster@XXXXXX > >> Dale City, Virginia > >> > >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > >> > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:53:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26884 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13245 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00457 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA30673; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104185203.HPBL652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:52:03 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , , Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:54:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be3813$a3ae0f20$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: It's run by Keith Keirnan. I've had one bad experience with him that he fixed promptly and with no hassle. I purchased D205's for the ST1100 and got the wrong sizes. He dropped the shipping I paid (I paid to ship the wrong tires back) and he discounted the cost further on a drop shipment right from his distributor. I always speak to him on the phone, never via email. Though it is a one man operation, Keith has always been very easy to deal with. I'd suggest you get a copy of the cancelled check and request the invoice copy/and delivery information associated with it. Obviously, if the invoice and delivery notes aren't available, you never purchased anything. From this point you may begin to build your case, or get some of that merchandise you want. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX [mailto:CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 12:35 PM > To: tl1000s@XXXXXX; dc-cycles@XXXXXX; > balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: keirnan racing supplies > > > Just a heads up to all those who are thinking about dealing with > this company. > Back in july I sent them a check for $164.95 for a dunlop d207, > which never > showed. I had to call them to get an answer. They said they were > out of stock. > so I said I will just leave it as a credit. Then, a few months > back, I needed > another tire, and they didnt respond to me or send one. ok, maybe they are > just out of stock again. well about a month ago I ordered some > winter gloves > from them and I have had no response, no glove, no nothing from them. > Today I just sent an email asking for my money back, no credit, no > merchandise, just my $164.95. And I bet I will see no response from this > either. Does anyone know of anyway I can get my money back? This > business is > run by one guy out of his house from what I understand, and the check has > already been cashed. > > Sean > 98 TLR > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 13:57:32 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26989 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF186E70234; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:57:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104133756.00fec470@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:40:07 -0500 To: "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <000a01be3806$ba489230$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> <3690EE63.39CF535A@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not uncomfortable. Caging it to work and taking more time and paying more to park one day than I pay to park the bike all month, now THAT'S uncomfortable! Caging it to the Metro, and paying Metro parking fees and passenger fees, now THAT'S uncomfortable. Me, I'm happy. But I could use a bigger Aerostich. :-( Chris Norloff At 01:01 PM 1/4/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: >Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all >subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can >understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love >being uncomfortable during my commute..... > >At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >>You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I just suffer >>it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain pants will come >>out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >>protection. >> >>On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's work great. >>I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands were toasty >>:) >> >>Todd >> >>Dale Horstman wrote: >>> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >>> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >>> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >>> degrees F. = 8-o >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dale >>> >>> -- >>> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >>> horkster@XXXXXX >>> Dale City, Virginia >>> >>> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >>> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >>> > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:02:10 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27079 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX5ZGW3E; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:01:38 EST To: mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Brr! Message-ID: <19990102.195443.8159.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <3690EE63.39CF535A@tidalwave.net> <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,7-12,16-17,20-24 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:01:38 EST On Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:01:30 -0500 "Mike Troutman" writes: >Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all >subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can >understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I can't speak for everybody, but back when I rode all the time, even though I had a perfectly good truck at home, it was for a number of reasons: 1. Motorcycles are more fun than cars. 2. It's a good feeling to battle the elements and win. 3. The weather shouldn't prevent you from doing what you like if it's still reasonably safe. People ski, and ice skate, and climb mountains in very cold weather and no one calls them nuts (except maybe the mountain climber people...) 4. I used to really like the stunned looks I got from people in their cars in the winter and the rueful headshaking that my coworkers went through after they said, "You rode in TODAY?! It's freezing cold out! But hey, that's just me... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:02:45 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27111 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA15026; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:02:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104190207.HVCP652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:02:07 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , "DC Cycles List" Subject: RE: Motorcycle in Motion Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be3815$0b8496e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB78@badge.tuckerflyer.com> I could only get it to work if I included it onto a webpage. Animated .gif? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: O'Brien, Jeannette [mailto:jlobrien@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 1:13 PM > To: DC Cycles List > Subject: Motorcycle in Motion > > > Whoever it was that wanted an image of a motorcycle in motion (Louis?), > I received the below today. Just click on the bike after it comes up. > It's pretty cool! > > - Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:02:57 1999 Return-Path: david@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27135 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zxFGp-0004Ue-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:31 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22796 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:06:54 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED754@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:06:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain > Does anyone know of anyway I can get my money back? This business is > > run by one guy out of his house from what I understand, and the > check has > > already been cashed. > > > My experience with Kerinan (To make a REALLY long story REALLY short): > > Bought a $1000 set of leathers from them. First set too small and he > said send them back and he will send larger set with no problem. He > was gonna charge me for both but as soon as he got the originals back > he would credit my account $1000 bucks for the first set. I promptly > sent back the originals, got the second set which fit fine and waited > for my $1000 credit to show up on my visa after confirming with them > that they had received my returned leathers. Well after about 3 > months, too many calls to Kiernan to count, calls to VISA, calls to > the Better Business Bureau, threats to call the Chamber of commerce, > threats to call the prosecutors in NJ (this was theft as far as I was > concerned), threats to post my story to the Motorcycle Racing email > list, I got my $1000 bucks. I will never do business with them again > and would caution anyone to do so at great risk. > > I knew it was gonna be hell when one of his "employees" said that they > wanted me to take the $1000 bucks in parts instead of a credit to my > visa because the shop was having financial difficulty. Needless to > say I was F@#KING pissed!!!! > > Do what I did and tell everyone and anyone (BBB, Chamber of Commerce, > etc.) and make sure they know that you are gonna do so. > > Good luck. > > > Dave Cross > WERA & CCS #416am > --------------------------- > Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles > (703) 818 8890 > http://www.fastlanecycles.com > --------------------------- > 90 FZR400 (race) > 94 VFR750 (street) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:11:04 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27238 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 398 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:10:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990104140702.01f90c50@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:10:28 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <000b01be3813$a33842e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Don't get me wrong here. That wasn't a troll or anything. I just hear a lot of whining on the list about 'fair weather riders' and lately a lot of bitching about how cold / wet / icy it is on the bike. My bike is naked and I can't seem to find wearable equipment that really blocks the wind and it's associated wind chill. Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. .02 MT At 01:54 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Believe it or not Mike, I absolutely prefer my motorcycle over my car >whenever I can. Cold weather is simply a challenge to be overcome. And it >can be! > >I DO have a car, and occasionally drive in to work. Usually it is raining, >or I plan to go shopping after work or something. There are days I wonder >why I didn't drive. But when the weather's bad for days straight (icy >roads, rainy rain, etc.), I go NUTS not riding. Can you say, obsession? It >is an absolute thrill and relief to finally get back to the ride. > >I've often said to myself as I'm tooling along, "Yeah, it's (boiling >hot/freezing cold/.etc.), but I'm glad I'm not in a cage." YMMV. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:12:44 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27314 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA18493; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:12:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104191208.IAZN652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:12:08 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , "DC Cycles List" Cc: Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:14:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01be3816$71c7ad60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104130126.00fe8010@mail.toward.com> Well Chris, I looked all over the pants section: http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=9748&cgmen br=226 And the best I could find were the 'Campmor' Summit pants at $89: http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=18581&prmen br=226 Didn't see any fleece lined windproof pants. You don't happen to know the name of the pants you're describing do you? Todd Chris Norloff wrote: > > I bought polar-fleece lined wind pants (overpants) from Campmor > (http://www.campmor.com). Very nice. > > Chris Norloff > > > At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I > just suffer > >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain > pants will come > >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind > >protection. > > > >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's > work great. > >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands > were toasty > >:) > > > >Todd > > > >Dale Horstman wrote: > >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta > >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the > >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 > >> degrees F. = 8-o > >> > >> Regards, > >> Dale > >> > >> -- > >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > >> horkster@XXXXXX > >> Dale City, Virginia > >> > >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > >> > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:17:02 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27418 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05236 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:16:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Brr! In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104125921.01fc1df0@mail.wheatintl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Mike Troutman wrote: > Those of us that put our bikes away a few weeks ago wonder why you all > subject yourself to these torments. If you dont have a car - I can > understand, but if you do.....why freeze? I love to ride, but I dont love > being uncomfortable during my commute..... The key to not being uncomfortable is preparation. I do not get cold when commuting on my motorcycle. Actually, I get cold when commuting in my car. While my old car would heat up within a mile causing me to be cold for the first 5-10 minutes of driving the new car takes more like 10-15 minutes to heat up. Like most people in their cars I dress for the period after the car is warmed up, not before. So, I freeze until the heater starts doing its job. On the bike I start out hot (I keep meaning to put my final layer on outside so I don't get so hot but always forget). Once underway I let myself cool off until I'm comfortable and then I switch the electric vest on. Hence, I don't get cold at all in a 45 minute commute. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:25:46 1999 Return-Path: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27533 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:44 -0500 (EST) From: MotorLE@XXXXXX Received: from MotorLE@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DKCVa27768 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4d3babda.3691158f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cheap leg warmers (was RE: Brr!) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 79 For those of you who are more interested in warmth than in crash protection, there are always old ski pants at Value Village and Village Thrift (this doesn't mean they will have your size the first time you look). Sometimes these pants even have full length leg zippers, so you can get them on and off without removing your boots. VV and VT are large chain thrift shops which cater to low income people, and not trendy kids. There are several of each in the DC area, and also in Baltimore. Check your phone book, then go find something to keep your legs warm for $5 or $10. Colleen From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:35:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27771 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13962 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02158 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxFmo-0002ae-02; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:34 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:33:59 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB81@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Todd Peer'" , CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:31:56 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have dealt with Kiernan on numerous occasions myself, always by phone, and have never had a problem. I just ordered my new tires that were put on a few weeks ago through Kiernan. I don't have his phone number handy, but good luck! I'm surprised to hear that this has happened. - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Peer [SMTP:todd.b.peer@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 1:54 PM > To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX; tl1000s@XXXXXX; > dc-cycles@XXXXXX; balt-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies > > It's run by Keith Keirnan. I've had one bad experience with him that > he > fixed promptly and with no hassle. I purchased D205's for the ST1100 > and > got the wrong sizes. He dropped the shipping I paid (I paid to ship > the > wrong tires back) and he discounted the cost further on a drop > shipment > right from his distributor. > > I always speak to him on the phone, never via email. Though it is a > one man > operation, Keith has always been very easy to deal with. > > I'd suggest you get a copy of the cancelled check and request the > invoice > copy/and delivery information associated with it. Obviously, if the > invoice > and delivery notes aren't available, you never purchased anything. > From > this point you may begin to build your case, or get some of that > merchandise > you want. > > Todd > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:39:42 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27800 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901041939.OAA27800@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:39:26 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 11:39:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) you mean to say that people in cars know how to drive at some times in the year? Could have fooled me. I actualy get a bigger cushion/more space and consideration in the winter than I do in the summer.. makes me feel safer, esp. since I'm fairly sure I know what the limits of my tires are (traction wise)... It's cold, I'm somtimes hurting when I get home.. but even if I had a car, I wouldn't drive (which was the case last winter for a long while). Love my motorcycles to much... Brian > -----Original Message----- > Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in > Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:52:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28043 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC0814500092; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:52:40 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104144741.00ff7b70@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:58:51 -0500 To: "Todd Peer" , "DC Cycles List" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Brr! Cc: In-Reply-To: <000f01be3816$71c7ad60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <4.1.19990104130126.00fe8010@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" These pants don't have any name on them, and they were made in Bangladesh so they might be a "deal of the week". They were about $40, about a year and a a half ago. They also might be a catalog-only item -- I'd try the printed catalog, or call the 800 no. and ask them. I had to call and ask when I wanted something out of season (and I got it). good luck, Chris Norloff At 02:14 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >Well Chris, > >I looked all over the pants section: >http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=9748&cgmen >br=226 > >And the best I could find were the 'Campmor' Summit pants at $89: >http://www.campmor.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=18581&prmen >br=226 > >Didn't see any fleece lined windproof pants. You don't happen to know the >name of the pants you're describing do you? > >Todd > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> I bought polar-fleece lined wind pants (overpants) from Campmor >> (http://www.campmor.com). Very nice. >> >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> At 12:21 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >> >You and me both. I hate wearing the long underwear to work so I >> just suffer >> >it. Walked in on numb thighs this morning. I think my rain >> pants will come >> >out of hiding for days like this. At least there is a little wind >> >protection. >> > >> >On a brighter note, the cheapy mylar gloves I bought at Sunny's >> work great. >> >I used my fall gloves over the mylars this morning and my hands >> were toasty >> >:) >> > >> >Todd >> > >> >Dale Horstman wrote: >> >> Got a wee bit cold on the ride to work this morning. I gotta >> >> find something warmer than Dockers for the lower half - the >> >> gas tank is especially cold between the thighs at around 25 >> >> degrees F. = 8-o >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Dale >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >> >> horkster@XXXXXX >> >> Dale City, Virginia >> >> >> >> 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >> >> 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 >> >> >> > >> >> > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 14:59:03 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28142 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14309 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA02797 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zxG93-0005ll-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:33 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA29891 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:02:55 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED756@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:02:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Apologies if this gets sent twice: My experience with Kerinan (To make a REALLY long story REALLY short): Bought a $1000 set of leathers from them. First set too small and he said send them back and he will send larger set with no problem. He was gonna charge me for both but as soon as he got the originals back he would credit my account $1000 bucks for the first set. I promptly sent back the originals, got the second set which fit fine and waited for my $1000 credit to show up on my visa after confirming with them that they had received my returned leathers. Well after about 3 months, too many calls to Kiernan to count, calls to VISA, calls to the Better Business Bureau, threats to call the Chamber of commerce, threats to call the prosecutors in NJ (this was theft as far as I was concerned), threats to post my story to the Motorcycle Racing email list, I got my $1000 bucks. I will never do business with them again and would caution anyone to do so at great risk. I knew it was gonna be hell when one of his "employees" said that they wanted me to take the $1000 bucks in parts instead of a credit to my visa because the shop was having financial difficulty. Needless to say I was F@#KING pissed!!!! Do what I did and tell everyone and anyone (BBB, Chamber of Commerce, etc.) and make sure they know that you are gonna do so. Good luck. Dave Cross WERA & CCS #416am --------------------------- Sponsored by Fast Lane Cycles (703) 818 8890 http://www.fastlanecycles.com --------------------------- 90 FZR400 (race) 94 VFR750 (street) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:00:23 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28232 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:00:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for dc-cycles.org!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Mon Jan 4 14:16 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id OAA04417 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE37EE.229AB160@XXXXXX>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'McKeithen@XXXXXX'" Subject: MC rental in England Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:25:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, I have no direct experience, but if I ever hit the lotto I'm going to call these guys: http://www.cbmtours.demon.co.uk/ They don't list their rates, but they sure have some pretty bikes in the fleet. There are other rental links here: http://www.dropbears.com/bikelinks/rentals.htm ...but I'm kind of biased toward the classics :) Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 From: McKeithen@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:39:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Cc: Subject: MC rental in England Anybody have any experience with renting a motorcycle in England. My wife and I may be making a two week trip there in the spring. I'm thinking it might interesting to rent one for a portion of that time. Positives/negatives/expense? Bob McKeithen From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:03:46 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28259 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA31905; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:03:10 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104200310.JFPN652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:03:10 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: Brr! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:28 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be381d$92c1bd10$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990104140702.01f90c50@mail.wheatintl.com> > Don't get me wrong here. That wasn't a troll or anything. I just hear a > lot of whining on the list about 'fair weather riders' and lately a lot of > bitching about how cold / wet / icy it is on the bike. My bike is naked > and I can't seem to find wearable equipment that really blocks > the wind and > it's associated wind chill. I didn't think you were baiting. And from my perspective, the bitching is a simple and fun way to relate the experience :) I found ANY wind fairing on a naked bike is better than none. And there are some pretty cool looking ones for the CB750. Others have mentioned it before, and I have direct experience with the Spartan one piece winter suit. It's like a ski-mobile suit that is waterproof too (for about .5 hour). I wore my work clothes only with this suit, a pair of winter gloves, a neck warmer, and my riding boots when I used to ride my CB750 to work...No fairing...and I was rather comfy! > > Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in > Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. I think you just happened to notice the BDC's at about the time change. Believe me, they're all idiots out there regardless of the time. Things I've seen in the last two weeks: - two cars trading hand jestures on 395-S. Windchill of about -13 and passenger gets out over hood of car on right, no shirt on and threateningly points off to other car. Road-Rage. I wish he fell out >:> - On two separate occassions, local semis closing the gap on cages that think they can stop them...frightening. - Car and passenger flying through stop sign onto Backlick road and into left most lane of four. Nearly clobbers Glenn Dysart (who I was following). A-hole made no attempt to stop, and gave Glenn the bird. - Constant tailgating by local a-holes even though I'm travelling at least 5mph over. - Blinkers to merge right with no yield from cars ahead. Discourteous a-holes! - more, but I won't bore you.... Todd > > .02 > > MT > > At 01:54 PM 1/4/99 , Todd Peer wrote: > >Believe it or not Mike, I absolutely prefer my motorcycle over my car > >whenever I can. Cold weather is simply a challenge to be > overcome. And it > >can be! > > > >I DO have a car, and occasionally drive in to work. Usually it > is raining, > >or I plan to go shopping after work or something. There are > days I wonder > >why I didn't drive. But when the weather's bad for days straight (icy > >roads, rainy rain, etc.), I go NUTS not riding. Can you say, > obsession? It > >is an absolute thrill and relief to finally get back to the ride. > > > >I've often said to myself as I'm tooling along, "Yeah, it's (boiling > >hot/freezing cold/.etc.), but I'm glad I'm not in a cage." YMMV. > > > ___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:05:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28339 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA14415 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03390 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX542Q6B; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:03:47 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: keirnan racing supplies Message-ID: <19990102.205652.8159.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,9-11,14-18 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:03:47 EST The easiest thing to try is to have a lawyer (or someone who plays one on TV) give them a call to explain that he/she is preparing to represent you in the matter and aiming for pulling his business license. I've done this before once or twice to light a fire under someone's butt. How did you hear about Keirnan Racing Supplies? If you saw an ad in a magazine, you might call the magazine. I've heard of magazines putting pressure on advertisers to handle deals fairly. I know the magazine needs the advertiser to stay in business, but the advertiser needs a place to advertise, too, so maybe the magazine can help. Also, the AMA is always hot to jump down someone's throat... Then there is the ever popular "full page ad" attack which I put forth a while ago for someone else being mistreated by a business. To do this, though you have to spend money... Git 'em! JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:26:21 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28788 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id MAA17341 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:25:21 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:25:21 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: "Crishock, Richard" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'McKeithen@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: MC rental in England Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 12:26:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >They don't list their rates Actually, they do - tours starting at 3,100 Quid per rider. The = following is from their website: Standard Package The Standard package includes:- 7 nights / 8 days tour A classic British motorcycle for 7 1/2 days Support vehicle to deal with any problems including replacement = motorcycles in the unlikely event of a breakdown Luggage transfer by our support vehicle Full time guide Insurance cover against 3rd party claims; and theft or damage cover = above your deposit First class accommodation in Country Inns and Manor Houses A maximum of 5 motorcycles per group The following items are not covered:- Airport pick-up / drop off although this is offeed at competitive rates = Food and drink=20 Personal expenditure including entrance fees=20 Fuel=20 Motorcycle clothing=20 Prices for the Standard tour start from =A33,100 per rider.=20 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:28:53 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28863 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxGcG-0001ON-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:28:44 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:10 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB87@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Superbowl Party! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:25:05 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain The next DC Cycles party is scheduled to start at 3PM on January 31, for the superbowl!! I, for one, couldn't give a rat's a*& about the superbowl, but I figure any excuse for a party! Some of you previously generously offered to bring drinks and/or food and any and all of that is definitely welcome! The party will be at 1220 S. Columbus Street (at the intersection of S. Columbus and George Mason Drive in Arlington.) If you need directions, I'll be posting them soon. Tom's better at that stuff than me... P.S. Whoever stole Todd's jacket liner is NOT invited. hee hee - Jeannette & Thomas '86 VFR 700 F2 '86 VFR 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:51:45 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29294 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9DC21800098; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:51:40 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990104155610.00ff3bb0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 15:57:11 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Superbowl Party! In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB87@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Isn't the SuperBowl where they ride motorcycles in a small high-banked race track? Kind of like the Circle of Death? Sounds good to me! :-) Chris Norloff At 03:25 PM 1/4/99 , you wrote: >The next DC Cycles party is scheduled to start at 3PM on January 31, for >the superbowl!! > >I, for one, couldn't give a rat's a*& about the superbowl, but I figure >any excuse for a party! > >Some of you previously generously offered to bring drinks and/or food >and any and all of that is definitely welcome! > >The party will be at 1220 S. Columbus Street (at the intersection of S. >Columbus and George Mason Drive in Arlington.) If you need directions, >I'll be posting them soon. Tom's better at that stuff than me... > >P.S. Whoever stole Todd's jacket liner is NOT invited. hee hee > >- Jeannette & Thomas > '86 VFR 700 F2 > '86 VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 15:57:06 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29368 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA08077; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:56:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990104205619.KNIH652@[166.41.242.214]>; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:56:19 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Jordan, Michael" , "Crishock, Richard" , Cc: Subject: RE: MC rental in England Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:58:36 -0500 Message-ID: <001601be3824$ff872e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Michael Jordan reported: > >They don't list their rates > > Actually, they do - tours starting at 3,100 Quid per rider. The > following is > from their website: > > Standard Package > > The Standard package includes:- > 7 nights / 8 days tour > A classic British motorcycle for 7 1/2 days > Support vehicle to deal with any problems including replacement > motorcycles > in the unlikely event of a breakdown > Luggage transfer by our support vehicle > Full time guide > Insurance cover against 3rd party claims; and theft or damage cover above > your deposit > First class accommodation in Country Inns and Manor Houses > A maximum of 5 motorcycles per group > > The following items are not covered:- > Airport pick-up / drop off although this is offeed at competitive rates > Food and drink > Personal expenditure including entrance fees > Fuel > Motorcycle clothing > > Prices for the Standard tour start from £3,100 per rider. That works out to $5,146.21 as of 3:55pm today. =8-o Todd From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:14:03 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29699 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxHK2-0006pT-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:13:59 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:12:23 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFB8C@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , "O'Brien, Jeannette" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party! Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:10:20 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I wish, then maybe I'd watch it more often! LOL > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 3:57 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party! > > Isn't the SuperBowl where they ride motorcycles in a small high-banked > race > track? Kind of like the Circle of Death? Sounds good to me! > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:31:23 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00150 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15711 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07615 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DX59TTYQ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:27:24 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: keirnan racing supplies Message-ID: <19990102.221915.4855.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000c01be3813$a3ae0f20$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,6-7,11-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:27:24 EST On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:54:21 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >I'd suggest you get a copy of the cancelled check and request the invoice copy/and >delivery information associated with it. Obviously, if the invoice and delivery notes >aren't available, you never purchased anything. This advice is much better than mine. I'm feeling bitter because I've been wrestling with insurance companies for a few weeks now. It's got me fired up so now all I want to do is go straight for the throat. Ignore my advice and follow Todd's. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:44:02 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00372 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:44:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 334 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:42:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3691360E.C5AF2D7F@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:43:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Now here's a Goldwing I wouldn't mind riding! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://web2.airmail.net/onethumb/stuff/ -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 16:55:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00598 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA16069 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08344 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.22]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zxHxJ-0000wk-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:54:33 -0500 Received: from manitou.bdanet.com (bdanet.com [209.70.174.3]) by smtp-gw2.vma.verio.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA27251 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by bdanet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: <21C53F566655D111845600A0C90D6A260ED758@bdanet.com> From: David Cross To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: keirnan racing supplies Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:58:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ignore my advice and follow Todd's. > > I liked yours better, but I've got reason to. Dave From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 17:10:55 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00856 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:10:54 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id RAA21173; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:12:29 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma021088; Mon, 4 Jan 99 17:11:46 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F52005JB2ZAEJ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EF.0079B484 ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:09:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:06:19 -0500 Subject: Hide behind the fairing? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EF.007937C2.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL OK. I'll concede that *maybe* this is one time where I'd rather bein a cage. --chris http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990104/V000224-010499-idx.ht ml ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 18:01:08 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01793 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id RAA15587; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:58:14 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmab15330; Mon, 4 Jan 99 17:57:15 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5200J6X54TVG@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566EF.007DE4EF ; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:55:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 17:49:30 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: Hide behind the fairing? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566EF.007C3D2F.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Yeah, but at least on a bike you can accellerate and swerve enough to make a damn hard target to hit. That is, of course, assuming you know you're being shot at. Survivability suffers if you do get hit though, I suppose. Chris Weaver (http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990104/V000224-010499-idx.h tml) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 18:09:38 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01917 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA19981; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:09:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369174D6.29F8@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:11:34 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: Dillon Subject: Cold hands Today? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey DC Guys and Gals, Check this out : http://www.hotgrips.com/ From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 18:28:02 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02277 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA20503 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 18:27:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36917917.4CF0@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:29:43 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: [Fwd: Bikes vs. Cars Revisited] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------42C4732112BE" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------42C4732112BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, I thought this pretty interesting (from alt.motorcycle.sportbike) --------------42C4732112BE Content-Type: message/news Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: news.clark.net!io.clark.net!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: tlung@XXXXXX Newsgroups: alt.motorcycle.sportbike Subject: Bikes vs. Cars Revisited Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:05:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Message-ID: <76r6ul$elu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.107.175.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 04 20:05:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22; Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x12.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.107.175.2 Xref: news.clark.net alt.motorcycle.sportbike:37311 Several weeks ago, there was a discussion here about the Cycle World article a few years back that compared a YZF1000 to a Dodge Viper. Well, I happened to find that magazine in my local library and borrowed it, then scanned it. Here it the article, it is quite interesting. (Hope I didn't make any scanning errors...) By Brian Catterson Super Bike vs. Super Car Yamaha YZF1000R meets Dodge Viper in a battle of superlatives. Cars. You pass em all the time on the street. Wheezing little econoboxes creeping along in seemingly endless lines, going nowhere fast. Horseless carriages less horsepower. Performance-wise, the vast majority are cannon fodder for even the most modest motorcycle. Some four-wheelers take as long to accelerate (a relative term) from 0 to 60 mph as it takes a bike to reach twice that speed. Pitiful. But those are everyday street cars. In comparison, racecars are positively otherworldy - Formula One machines typically lap road courses 25 percent quicker than 500cc grand prix bikes. And once in a while, a car comes along that transcends those boundaries. A car like the Dodge Viper GTS coupe. A 450-horsepower racecar-for-the-street whose specifications sheet includes a fuel-injected V-8 engine, a six-speed transmission, mammoth, 13-inch-wide rear tires and a whopping, $73,000 price tag. In other words, a super-car. The Viper GTS's performance potential was not lost on the editors at Cycle World's sister publication, Car and Driver. So, when their Editor-in-Chief Csaba Csere (pronounced "Chubbah Cheddah," not unlike the guy who did the Twist) called the CW offices to ask if we'd like to collaborate on a car versus bike story, he wasn't just looking or something to fill his pages - he was looking to settle the score. More than that, he was looking to vindicate his belief, expressed in an editorial he'd written three years before, that, and I quote, "...a motorcycle can't keep up with a car on an unforgiving mountain road." We here at CW didn't exactly agree with Csaba's opinion. Car versus bike? Sure thing, bring on that door-slammer. We took the bait quicker than you can holler, "Fish on!" That was our first mistake. There would be others. THE CONTENDERS >From the beginning, we knew which car we were up against. But which bike to send into the arena, that was the question. To help us decide, we studied the fields of battle: a timed section of twisty mountain road, timed laps of two different roadrace tracks, dragstrip runs, and a battery of tests that would measure acceleration, braking, roadholding and outright speed. That last one presented a serious challenge. According to the September, 1996, issue of Car and Driver, the Viper GTS is capable of going 177 mph. Uh-huh, and they arrived at that figure by, what, copying it out of the sales brochure? No, actually, one of the editors arrived at that speed by stepping on the pedal farthest to the right. And holding it to the floor for a long, long time. Trouble is, that's 1 mph faster than the fastest bike we've ever tested, the original, 1990 Kawasaki ZX-11. And while Honda's forthcoming CBR11OO Double-X Supermouthful promises to surpass that speed, we couldn't get one in time. Besides which, there was no guarantee the Honda would actually go that fast (see "King of Speed,", page 48), and its considerable heft and questionable linked braking system would likely compromise its chances on the racetrack. No, better to concede the top-speed portion of our testing to the car and get something that stood a better chance on the track. Something like Yamaha's YZF1100R. Available overseas since earlier this year as the Thunder Ace ("Distant Thunder," CW, May, 1996), the YZF has received rave reviews for its potent, 135-horsepower inline four-cylinder engine, nimble handling and eyeball-popping brakes. No surprise, really, considering that it marries an uprated version of the proven FZR 1000 engine with what is essentially a YZF75O chassis - a proven combination, judging by the numerous Formula USA and SuperTeams wins carded by similar homemade hybrids in recent years. Best of all, we already had one in the CW garage. A mongoose for their snake. THE STREET Early one weekday morning, we assembled at the Newcombs Ranch cafe on Southern California's famed Angeles Crest Highway. To be honest, we would have preferred to use a tighter, lightly traveled, dead-end canyon road for the street portion of our testing, but because Csaba had mentioned the Crest in his earlier editorial, he was determined to use it. Seeing as how this first contest was intended to gauge real-world performance, we came up with two rules: (1) Neither vehicle would take any practice runs, and (2) we would stay to the right of the centerline at all times. After carefully selecting a 6.3-mile stretch of road with no intersections and as few blind corners as possible, we stationed personnel armed with stopwatches and walkie-talkies at the start and finish lines. The two vehicles would leave the start at a predetermined interval, and this would be compared to the interval at the finish to decide the winner. Csaba and the Viper went first. The car appeared to get off to a slow start, but even before Senior Editor Jon Thompson waved me off one minute later, I could hear tires squealing in the distance. Since we were starting from a standstill with cold rubber, I also eased into my run - I've seen too many racers fall on the warm-up lap to dive in head-first. Good thing, too, as I immediately discovered that a road crew had laid asphalt sealer since my last visit, rendering the first mile of the course quite slippery. Since I was reluctant to lean the bike very far on the goo, it took longer than normal for the tires to reach their optimum operating temperature. How long? Well, photographer Rich Chenet was stationed 2.2 miles from the starting line, and he shot a photo sequence that clearly shows the YZF's rear tire leaving a black stripe on the pavement. Much as I'd like to claim it, this wasn't due to tire-spinning heroics - it was merely an indication that the rear Dunlop was still cold. How could this be possible, this far into the run? Consider that 2.2 miles is, coincidentally, the minimum required length for a GP track. And if it takes racers one lap to warm-up their tires, why should a street bike be any different? Cars, mean while, do not struggle with cold tires. Their greater weight means their tires heat up almost immediately; in fact, Csaba said that cars commonly record their best skidpad numbers on the first or second go-round. Having raced both an FZR1OO0-powered GTS 1000 and a YZF75O Supersport bike last year, I immediately felt a home on the YZF1OOO. The revised motor displays immensely usable midrange power, with peak horsepower at 9500 rpm - 2000 shy of redline. The quick-steering chassis allows rapid transitions, and yet the 56.3-inch wheel base (.4-inch longer than the YZF75O) makes it rock-steady in fast sweepers. This gave me the confidence I needed to put my head down and ride much harder than I normally would on the street - not an all-out, traction-limited roadrace pace. but pretty darn close to it. Thus, I was more than a little disappointed when finish-line timers David Edwards and Matthew Miles informed me that Csaba had beaten my time by 12.4 seconds, an average speed differential of some 3 mph. After voicing my belief that cold tires had adversely affected my time, Car and Driver's Technical Editor Barry Winfield asked me if I'd like to repeat the run with warm tires. A bike guy at heart, Barry has worked for motorcycle magazines in England and his native South Africa, so he knew where I was coming from. After taking a few moments to consider his offer, I declined. Twelve seconds is a pretty significant chunk of time, and while I almost certainly would have gone faster the second time, there was no guarantee that Csaba (who in the interest of fairness would also get another run) wouldn't improve his time as well. Instead, I opted to take my lumps and try to settle the score at Willow Springs. I'm glad I did. Because after driving the Viper through the Angeles National Forest on the way to our hotel in Palmdale, I developed a newfound respect for sports cars. The YZF's 1003 cc inline-Four produces an impressive 80 foot-pounds of torque at 8250 rpm, but the Viper's massive 8-liter (7990cc) V-10 truck engine makes more than six times that much at a mere 3700 rpm. Of course, with a displacement eight times the size of the YZF's, the Viper's engine ought to make a lot of power. But considering its size, it really doesn't: It churns out just 56 horsepower per liter, compared to the YZF's 135 bhp/liter. Interestingly, both vehicles' powerplants incorporate 20-valves - they're just arranged differently. The Viper's ohv V-10 employs pushrods and rocker arms to open its two valves per cylinder, while the YZF's dohc inline-Four relies on inverted buckets to open its five (three intake, two exhaust) valves per cylinder. By comparison, the Viper's engine is much more primitive - though, like Harley-Davidson's Evolution engines, it does have an aluminum block, as opposed to the cast-iron blocks of its forebears. But as impressive as the Viper's power output is, its road-holding ability is even more so. Remember the pavement sealer I spoke of earlier? It had no effect on the Viper at all. Pavement ripples, seams, sand and gravel? Ditto. You see a corner, you turn the steering wheel, the car goes around the corner - it's as simple as that. The taut chassis dances over ripples like an oversized go-kart, but the four huge Michelins never threaten to come unstuck. It's so easy to go fast that crashing seems like an impossibility. "Hmmm," I thought as I pulled into the hotel parking lot, "this thing could be trouble at Willow Springs." THE TRACK After the incident on Angeles Crest, I was looking forward to the controlled environment of the racetrack. So I was more than a little miffed to discover that this would not be the case today. The Willow Springs road course in the worst shape we'd ever seen it, with racecars having severely rippled the pavement in Turns 2, 3 and 5, and sand from an earth-moving project scattered across Turn 4. It looked like... well, like the Angeles Crest Highway. I wanted to leave right then and there, but the promise of hot laps on the tighter Streets of Willow circuit that afternoon gave me hope. Csaba, meanwhile, found the Viper virtually unaffected by the track conditions, and quickly went about reacquainting himself with "The Fastest Road in the West." Talking on the phone a few weeks prior to our test, he'd predicted the Viper would do 1:35s, and he was soon fulfilling his prophecy. I, on the other hand, had predicted 1:32s for the YZF, and was frustrated to find myself languishing in the 1:37 range, despite having fitted the bike with a fresh set of gummy Dunlop Sportmax II GP radials. After modifying my line through Turn 4 to keep the bike as upright as possible across the sand, I set about trying to make the chassis work over the bumps. It was not an easy task. Motorcycle racers who have progressed to cars (see Making the Switch," page 42) talk about how important set-up is - if your car isn't balanced, you'll soon find your-self going backwards through the field. Conversely, a motorcycle racer can often ride around his vehicle's set-up problems. Paradoxically, our experience with these two street vehicles was just the opposite. The Viper has no provisions for suspension adjustments, but it didn't need any, either; raised the air pressure in the front tires to curb a slight "push," and that was it. I, on the other hand, twiddled every suspension-adjustment knob at my disposal and still couldn't get the YZF handling to my liking - even with advice from Yamaha roadracing coordinator Tom Halverson and Superbike racer Tom Kipp, who were on hand for a YZF600 advertising photo shoot. The main culprits were too-soft fork and shock springs for my weight. At a smidge over 6-feet tall and 200 pounds, I admit that I'm larger than the average roadracer. But I'm by no means abnormally large - especially in terms the average Open-class sportbike rider. Cranking the spring preload way up helped keep the muffler from ouching down in right-handers, but caused the fork to "pogo" over crested Turn 6, even with the rebound damping set at maximum. Further complicating the proceedings was the fact that right about the time I decided the YZF was set-up as good it was going to get, the infamous Willow wind kicked up, making 145-mph Turn 8 an even scarier place than usual. Somebody please give me a break?! Suddenly, somebody did - or so it seemed. On just its third timed lap, while going down the back straight, the Viper blew a big puff of smoke out its exhausts. By the time we'd finished hollering, "Did you see that?" it was over. The Viper expired in a huge white cloud as it exited Turn 9, and coasted to a stop at start/finish. The green engine coolant dripping from its right-side exhaust pipes suggested a blown head gasket, but Csaba said it sounded far worse than that. A couple of hours later, the Viper was unceremoniously hauled away on a flatbed truck. Csaba wasn't too surprised by this sudden development. Though he claimed that he wasn't hammering the car, and was keeping the revs well below the 6000-rpm redline, the temperature gauge had been climbing steadily. Earlier, he had told us that street cars aren't really up to the rigors of racetrack testing: "You can do three or four laps at a time, but that's about it. The brakes, especially, don't last. They tend to heat up and fade, and need a rest before they'll work again. I about ran out of brakes on the Crest yesterday." Unfortunately for Team CW, Csaba had managed to turn a lap at 1:33.8 prior to the Viper's untimely demise. Could the YZF better that mark? After ensuring that there wasn't any oil on the racetrack, I went out for my timed session. slithering through the bumps and dirt and wrestling with the wind to record a best lap of 1:36.3. Not that shabby considering the circumstances, but pretty pathetic compared to the sub-1:30s that club racers and fast magazine guys regularly turn at Willow. And definitely not quick enough to beat the car. THE STRIP When the Viper broke, our plans changed dramatically - especially since the only replacement available was plagued by transmission problems, and was loaned to us with the strict proviso that it be used only for photos, and not driven hard. Thus, there would be no timed laps around the Streets of Willow; no skidpad testing (perhaps a blessing in disguise); and no side-by-side performance testing at the dragstrip. That doesn't mean, however, that we can't compare performance figures from previous tests. As you'd expect, the bike absolutely trounces the car at the dragstrip, covering the quarter-mile almost 2 seconds quicker and 17 mph faster. The bike was similarly superior in braking and top-gear roll-ons, though the latter was due in part to the Viper's ultra-tall sixth gear. This last feature (coupled with vastly superior aerodynamics) helped give the 177-mph Viper the nod in the top-speed department, but then, we expected that. And besides, the Viper didn't have to contend with winds gusting to 30 mph like the YZF did. After wrapping up our racetrack testing at Willow Springs, we headed to our nearby high-desert testing location to measure the YZF's top speed. With the wind blowing from the southwest, the bike's first eastbound pass showed 161 mph on the CW radar gun. But on its first westbound pass, it only went 138 mph! Suspecting that the motor was starving for air due to the strong crosswinds, we waited for Mother Nature to calm down a bit before making another pass. And then another. Our best westbound pass wound up being 146 mph, making for a two-way average of 154 mph. Hardly the stuff liter-bikes are renowned for, but then, conditions could have been better. THE VERDICT All in all, a frustrating yet enlightening test. In retrospect, the YZF 1000 probably wasn't the right bike for the job. The Viper may be billed as a GT car, but it is not a grand-tourer in the traditional sense of the word. To the contrary, its racetrack focus is painfully evident in its noisy interior, firm ride and dearth of luggage space - not to mention that it doesn't have a locking hood or gas cap! The YZF, on the other hand, meets the criteria for a grand-touring machine much more readily. Its plush suspension, comfortable passenger accommodations and emphasis on midrange (rather than top-end) power make it far better suited to sport riding than racetrack lapping. It'll be a sure contender for Best Open Streetbike honors in Cycle World's 1997 Ten Best voting. Unfortunately, what we needed for this test was a super-bike. A better choice would have been a proven roadracing contender such as Suzuki's GSX-R750, or a Superbike homologation special like Kawasaki's ZX-7RR. The Viper GTS is, after all, a limited-production vehicle. With an apparently limited lifespan. Which raises a sticky question. How can you call a car that blew its motor a "winner?" If anything, we should claim a moral victory for the YZF on the grounds that it still runs (and likely will continue to do so for years to come), or that it costs one-seventh as much as the Viper. It would be interesting to see how a $10,000 (or even a $20,000 or $30,000) car would fare against the $9799 YZF, particularly if the car were carrying four passengers like the BMW in Csaba's original editorial. More than any project in recent history, this one left the Cycle World staff with a feeling of unsettled business. So, Car and Driver, what do you say we find out how a Ducati 955 SPO stacks up against a Porsche 911 Turbo? Only this time, let's run the full 60-mile length of the Angeles Crest Highway, and calculate our racetrack speeds based on an average of, say, 10 laps. Better yet, let's compare the two vehicles using a totally different set of parameters. Rather than quantify their performance, let's rate them according to the enjoyment they provide, on the number of smiles per mile. There's no way a car would win that contest - at least not until they invent one that wheelies. Why We Lost Soft science vs. hard facts By Kevin Cameron The car-versus-bike question will always be with us either one can be built to extremes to prove a point, but the real interest focuses on comparing real-world, available-in-stores cars and bikes. So when CW's sister publication Car and Driver offered up a test Dodge Viper GTS coupe, we crossed swords with it. This is a 450-horsepower, 3301-pound machine, powered by an aluminum version of the new Mopar V-10 truck engine. Our weapon of choice was a 1997 Yamaha YZF1000R. According to Katella Avenue, this is a 135-horsepower, 437-pound package. Compare power-to-weight ratios. Let's give the Viper 10 gallons of gas (60 pounds) and a 160-pound driver for a total of 3521 pounds, for a ratio of 7.8 pounds per horsepower. Add 10 percent to the Yamaha's weight for the Pacific Crossing Factor (in the time-honored fashion, our testbike weighed 480 pounds on the CW scales), 15 more for half a tank of fuel and 160 pounds for the rider. This gives us 656 pounds and 4.9 pounds per horsepower. No contest, right? Surprise! As the main story shows, the car beat the bike around the Willow Springs road course by a ponderable 2.5 seconds a lap, and by 23 miles an hour in top speed. The bike, as its power-to-weight ratio would suggest, was the grandmaster of acceleration in 0-60-mph and quarter-mile times. We know that between grand prix cars and grand prix bikes, it's truly no contest. The cars, with giant, soft-compound tires, pressed down on the road by thousands of pounds of downforce from wings and underbody venturis, can corner at tremendous lateral accelerations of 3 g's or more. GP bikes, leaning over in corners at 60 degrees from vertical, indicate lateral accelerations of no more than 1.7 g. What this adds up to is that high-performance cars don't have to slow down as much for corners as bikes do, and if they are given enough power (GP cars are making 750 bhp), even a 200-horsepower bike can't make up in acceleration what it gives away in corner speed. While the Viper has no appreciable downforce, its performance shows the same effect: More corner grip equals faster lap times. The Viper's 0.97-g skidpad cornering acceleration shows it has serious tires and suspension. You will note that a bike has less than a third of its sidewall-to-sidewall tread width on the ground at any one time because of the round profile of its tires. The car, with flat-profile tires, has its full tread width engaged all the time. Why should it make any difference? The law of friction we learned in high school says contact area makes no difference; drag a brick on its end or its side and the friction is supposed to be the same. Not for a rubber brick. The more rubber you can stably put down on the road, the more grip you can get. Rubber "keys" to the road's irregular surface like a gear, molding itself into a detailed mirror image of the pavement. Further, rubber forms molecular bonds to surfaces it touches. Making the contact area larger and softer gives more grip. A second effect is inflation pressure. If tires were infinitely flexible, their footprint area would be simply vehicle weight divided by inflation pressure. In this model, two vehicles with identical tire-inflation pressures would have equal load per square inch of footprint - and equal grip. But bike tires must typically be inflated harder than car tires, by maybe 20 percent. This reduces footprint area - and grip. Reducing the bike's tire pressure doesn't help; it needs that pressure to make its tires hold their shape. But tires aren't infinitely flexible, even though tire engineers work very hard to make them so in desired directions. It takes force to bend round tire tread to make it lie flat against the road, and this reduces footprint area. Car tires are cylinders, and bend only in the around-the-tire direction to make a footprint. A bike's tread surface is curved in two directions-around the tire and across it-and must bend in both directions at once to form a flat footprint. This double stiffness further reduces a bike's footprint area - and its grip. There are other interesting differences. The bike, because it has a short wheelbase and relatively high center of gravity, wheelies or stoppies. This puts upper limits on how hard a bike can accelerate or brake; after the front wheel leaves the ground, it doesn't matter how much more power you have - it just breaks taillight lenses. A car's four wide tires take a larger "sample" of the pavement than can a bike's two narrower, round-profile tires. The car is less upset by slick or rough pavement for this reason, while a slight dribble of oil on the pavement can have bikes on the ground and sliding. The bike, being narrower, can take a wider-radius line in any corner, but conversely wastes distance by having to take time to roll over before it can actually begin turning, and roll back upright before it can commence full acceleration. A more subtle effect is aerodynamics. Bike drag coefficients are poor because air disagrees with our taste. We accept the aerodynamically "dirty" exposed front wheel, the chopped-off fairing and the silly behind-the-front-wheel radiator location of sportbikes, but all these increase drag. A car's greater length encourages a fuller aero treatment, and its cooling arrangements can be civilized. Typical drag numbers are mid-to-high .40s for bikes, mid-.30s- to-.40s for production cars. Our testbike was slower than it should have been - its 154-mph average top speed is more typical of hot 600s than of 1000-class machines - but that's what happened on the day. Another aero effect is gust response; cars suffer less than bikes from wind disturbance. To distill the argument, cars have traction, bikes have acceleration. In most cases, bikes smoke cars on the street, cars smoke bikes on the track. Chrysler Corp. deserves our admiration for being able to achieve a partial reversal of the usual state of affairs. Mostly, cars and bikes go their separate ways; bike against bike, car vs. car, each group with its own strengths and weaknesses. Now, if we could just find a way to mix & match... -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own --------------42C4732112BE-- From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 19:39:34 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03403 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA17928 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12231 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13562 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust002.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.2]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29973 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:41:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990105003338.006bdda0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:33:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: Brr! At 02:10 PM 1/4/99 -0500, Mike Troutman wrote: >Don't get me wrong here. That wasn't a troll or anything. I just hear a >lot of whining on the list about 'fair weather riders' and lately a lot of >bitching about how cold / wet / icy it is on the bike. My bike is naked >and I can't seem to find wearable equipment that really blocks the wind and >it's associated wind chill. You need a big windshield. It does just as much to keep you warm as electric clothes. Even Horkster has a big windshield in this weather. JC Whitney sells them for about $70 or so, disregard the info about what they fit, with a couple of extra supports and a saber saw, the Whitney windshield will fit any bike. > >Plus - since the time change people have lost all ability to drive in >Northen Virginia - so I prefer the cage. Never mind. Since it's a security thing rather than having anything to do with the weather, a windshield won't help. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 19:59:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA03745 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA18109 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12688 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA13680 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:59:39 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GIOAa23181; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:38 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <969eb4af.36916256@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:52:38 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Brr! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/4/99 7:45:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << You need a big windshield. It does just as much to keep you warm as electric clothes. >> Can I mount one on my ZX-9R and does it cause any aerodynamic problems at 100+ MPH? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 20:48:02 1999 Return-Path: rosenc@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04506 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.172.99.31] (207-172-99-31.s31.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.31]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12549; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:47:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901050147.UAA12549@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:47:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Superbowl Party! From: "Charles L. Rosen" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit All these DC-cycles events, and I'm always on f'in call for the hospital. I wish I could make it, and finally meet some of the many people I hear from on the computer. Alas, it will have to wait for another event. Charles "being a resident can really suck sometimes" Rosen ---------- >From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: Superbowl Party! >Date: Mon, Jan 4, 1999, 3:25 PM > >The next DC Cycles party is scheduled to start at 3PM on January 31, for >the superbowl!! > >I, for one, couldn't give a rat's a*& about the superbowl, but I figure >any excuse for a party! > >Some of you previously generously offered to bring drinks and/or food >and any and all of that is definitely welcome! > >The party will be at 1220 S. Columbus Street (at the intersection of S. >Columbus and George Mason Drive in Arlington.) If you need directions, >I'll be posting them soon. Tom's better at that stuff than me... > >P.S. Whoever stole Todd's jacket liner is NOT invited. hee hee > >- Jeannette & Thomas > '86 VFR 700 F2 > '86 VFR 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 20:55:33 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04637 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:55:31 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5ZFZa05501; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:51:24 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <5b17f96a.3691701c@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:51:24 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, exup@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: I'm baaaaccckkkk!!!!!! :-) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Hello All, Well, I started the new job and, so far, it doesn't look like I'm going to be getting an external e-mail address any time soon. Sooooo, since I share this account with my bro-in-law and I miss you guys (and gals) so much :-), I created a new address under my home account and re-subbed. Since this is my home account, I won't be checking it until after work, if I remember, and it's not free anymore. :-( SR (EXUP list), you can add this address to the Laguna list. You can leave the other if you like but get rid of the srush@XXXXXX. Anita (DC List), you can do the same with the NYC Bus trip list. Hope you all had a great holiday and got that new bike that Santa promised you. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 21:06:03 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA04900 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:06:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14954 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:05:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199901050205.VAA14954@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:04:24 -0500 Subject: Something new... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I started out wanting to add a message board of some sort to the Member Roster page so that people could list upcoming rides. I found out that requires a "real" web page (FrontPage extensions) and paying more $$. There has to be a better way, right? :-) Well, I looked at online communities on Dejanews (one of my favorite sites) and was reasonably impressed. Then I checked out Yahoo "Clubs" and found a really great calendar features, as well as message posting, chat, links, etc. Eureka! :-) So, I went ahead and set up a "club" (I dislike that term!) called "DC Area Riders." My intention is to post events that I become aware of, as well as any group rides I might lead once the weather warms up a bit! Right now the only thing there is the bus trip... no surprise there! :-) If you get a chance, check it out and let me know what you think! You do need to "join"... all that means is you create a Yahoo ID and get a confirmation email. Right now the club is public, meaning anyone can join. There is an option to make it private, if need be. We'll see how it goes! Thanks for reading this far! :-) http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 4 23:32:23 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07262 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s46.wizard.net [206.161.15.121]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24610 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:32:21 -0500 Message-ID: <03c501be3865$7a0edf80$790fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Re: Something new... Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:40:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I should have also said that anyone is welcome to add events to the calendar, or post messages (not just me)! Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 06:22:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14587 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA25609 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22582 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17330 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust003.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.3]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA10879; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 06:23:57 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990105111557.006a7f0c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 06:15:57 -0500 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Brr! >Leon writes: ><< You need a big windshield. It does just as much to keep you warm as > electric clothes. >> Fred wrote: >Can I mount one on my ZX-9R Yes, I'm sure it wouldn't be much more difficult than the one on my EX250. >and does it cause any aerodynamic problems at 100+ >MPH? It helps a lot, windchill at 100+ mph in 19 degree weather is significant, Cd is not significant at these temperatures. Glad I could help. Let me know where to bring my saber saw. ;-) Do you want me to bring my paint cans too? Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 08:42:41 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA16588 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for dc-cycles.org!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Tue Jan 5 08:33 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id IAA13456 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3887.55A54EF0@XXXXXX>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/04/99 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:42:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone! Rich the Whiner here again! This is just a little of the 12 or so pages of junk I get when someone posts a picture to the list. We must remember that some of us are in digest mode, and attachments are usually wasted on us. Yes, I could just ignore it, but then I wouldn't get to whine ;). Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 >Subject: Motorcycle in Motion >Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:13:23 -0500 > >This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand >this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BE37E4.4B40C640 > >Whoever it was that wanted an image of a motorcycle in motion (Louis?), >I received the below today. Just click on the bike after it comes up. >It's pretty cool! > > >> > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BE37E4.4B40C640 >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="CYCLIST.gif" > >R0lGODlhXgEyAIcOAAAAAAoKDBAMFBgOEdXV1f//ABQcgwAA/z0YGEY1Nc4AAP8AAEpKWnt7e8bG >xv///wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwHo >AwAh+QQJLAEOACwAAAAAKAAuAAcI/AAdCBxIsODABQgXGFzIsGHBhAkdSpy4AABEixMzLqwIoCMC >AQo1ihS4AEHHAAkGhBypccGAAQIEwFzJkuICmS8R1px4oCdEhD0P7DQYtKdABUgVCCwqdGjQkEyD >kpRa8+mCqFGBGh1ZdMGDB1iDfr1KVaPVr2CxotXa1KxPr2i/9ow7lmzbjGfp6q1bFu/bvXvZcv3b >oHDhr4YPCxZpNfHhB44bLHZ7ACFiw5cfT/ZbGSLgn315vv1JGvRWxp0DqC69QHUArTt9vkbo2nXC >16dZjl5QuHZhiLlHDkAAMfLvhDGHCiCO0Lhh5AKUM+ftXDLC5DuXJzT8MsCA55DXo2efXjiBANcM > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 09:44:16 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17435 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:46:04 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 09:46:00 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 10:42:44 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at 30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. Kirk's polar hands solution works well, and I can recommend the heated grips too. Joe (just got back from snowmobiling in sub-zero northern Minnesota) >>> Kirk Roy - 12/23/98 2:37 PM >>> On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves > generally considered the warmest available. I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves all through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of my arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 10:30:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18180 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA27806; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:26:56 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105152204.OCBD14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:22:04 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have performed quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put on the long underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just fine. Had a great ride this morning. I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. Definitely changing out the summer shield for the taller one tonight. Todd Kirk Roy wrote: >Joe Nagy wrote: > I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at > 30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. Kirk's polar hands solution > works well, and I can recommend the heated grips too. > > Joe (just got back from snowmobiling in sub-zero northern Minnesota) > > >>> Kirk Roy - 12/23/98 2:37 PM >>> > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > > Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves > > generally considered the warmest available. > > I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar > hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and > cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves all > through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small > hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much > essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm > actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of my > arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. > > Kirk > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:16:10 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18864 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id KAA04901; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:15:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from enduser.faa.gov(204.108.10.1) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004784; Tue Jan 5 10:14:37 1999 Message-ID: <36923A57.67138A81@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:14:15 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I need to get a pair of those mylar inserts. My fingers were numb wearing my Olympia winter golves today after 14 miles, but the rest of me was warm wearing my Aerostitch and a fleece pull over. How did you luck out and get to go 75, cages were going 65 in both lanes of the 395 HOV when I was riding in. Ed 92FJ1200 Todd Peer wrote: > Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have performed > quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at > 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put on the long > underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just fine. Had a > great ride this morning. > > I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a > little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept > extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. > Definitely changing out the summer shield for the taller one tonight. > > Todd > > Kirk Roy wrote: > >Joe Nagy wrote: > > I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at > > 30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. Kirk's polar hands solution > > works well, and I can recommend the heated grips too. > > > > Joe (just got back from snowmobiling in sub-zero northern Minnesota) > > > > >>> Kirk Roy - 12/23/98 2:37 PM >>> > > On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Ken wrote: > > > Anyway, are any of the Olympia, or Roadgear or any other gloves > > > generally considered the warmest available. > > > > I've never had gloves that could keep my hands warm. So, I use polar > > hands. These are big mitts that fit over the ends of the handlebars and > > cover your controls and much of your forearm. I use my summer gloves all > > through winter and never have problems with cold hands. I've got small > > hands and developing arthritis so the thin gloves are pretty much > > essential for me - making the polar hands my only real option. I'm > > actually thinking of adding heated grips to see if that eases some of my > > arthritis pains and not expressly to fight the cold. > > > > Kirk > > > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:28:27 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19095 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 308; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:26:43 -0500 Message-ID: <36923DA5.69EB4F49@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:28:21 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > > Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have performed > quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at > 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put on the long > underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just fine. Yeah, I wimped out and wore the leather pants to work this morning, changed into Dockers after I arrived. I might have to check out the mylar things you are talking about. They are inserts/glove liners, right? Go on under your regular winter gloves? -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:40:18 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19280 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01081 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:40:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:40:10 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply In-Reply-To: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a > little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept > extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. Anything that gives you still air around your hands will do the trick. Basically, with the polar hands you can use whatever gloves keep your hands warm just standing around. I've got bar end mirrors (which I don't like) on the new bike so I haven't been using the polar hands on it. I wore my summer gloves on their own yesterday and just suffered the cold. I wore winter gloves the day before and my thumb still hurts (arthritis). Say, does anyone know of some reasonably narrow mirror mounts? Actually, they don't even have to be that narrow, they just have to hold mirrors and only mirrors. I'm thinking of just getting some of the dual sport mirrors to replace the bar ends but I'd prefer some mounts to put bigger mirrors on. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 11:44:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19401 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:44:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901051644.LAA19401@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:44:27 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:44:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Those things don't work for everyone.. I bought a pair last winter (or was 2 of them ago?), and figured they were a waste of $7 (or whatever I paid). Free to a good home (er, ok.. free to someone who rides year-round). My hands actually felt COLDER when I'd wear them.. my silk liners work quite well.. but nothing beats the wool. You're not the only one who whimped out.. I wore the lined wind-pants this morning, over the Dockers. To bad I messed up wrapping my scarf and my neck froze.. :P Brian > -----Original Message----- > > Yeah, I wimped out and wore the leather pants to work this morning, > changed into Dockers after I arrived. I might have to check out > the mylar things you are talking about. They are > inserts/glove liners, > right? Go on under your regular winter gloves? > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 12:06:41 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19840 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id RAA29811; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:03:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105163337.OOAG14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:33:37 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Ed Hand" Cc: "JOE NAGY" , , Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:35:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be38c9$78297f40$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36923A57.67138A81@ix.netcom.com> You can get these inserts at Sunny's Surplus for $3.99 a pair. I imagine you can get them at a Ski Retail Store as well. I think the difference as to how fast we can go is the time of day. I believe you get on the HOV at around 6:30-7am. I don't get on till around 8:40am, the calm before the commuter storm. Todd Ed Hand wrote: > I think I need to get a pair of those mylar inserts. My fingers were numb > wearing my Olympia winter golves today after 14 miles, but the > rest of me was > warm wearing my Aerostitch and a fleece pull over. > > How did you luck out and get to go 75, cages were going 65 in > both lanes of the > 395 HOV when I was riding in. > > Ed > 92FJ1200 > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > Well, for the second day in a row, my cheapy mylar inserts have > performed > > quite well. My hands were just fine in the 18-20 degree, -23 degrees at > > 75mph, for the 17 miles I ride to work. I broke down and put > on the long > > underwear today too. What a great difference. Legs were just > fine. Had a > > great ride this morning. > > > > I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a > > little cramp in the hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept > > extends to a wind skirt (like the coppers use on their H-D's) > for my ST1100. > > Definitely changing out the summer shield for the taller one tonight. > > > > Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 12:20:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20074 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA29977 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00295 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VTRTa04795 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:19:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:19:45 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Kiernan..... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Well, they did contact me yesterday and they are sending me my money back. Glad it didnt have to go any further. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 12:57:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20603 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA00603 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01502 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20750 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:57:01 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PMDAa03538; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:55:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cd8b8d9.36925208@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:55:20 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Brr! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/5/99 6:22:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << Do you want me to bring my paint cans too? >> Do you have Kawasaki ZX-9R Blue? Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 14:21:22 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22010 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA13921; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:17:58 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105183513.PFGU14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:35:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:37:32 -0500 Message-ID: <001401be38da$7493c5a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <36923DA5.69EB4F49@tidalwave.net> Dale Horstman wrote: > Yeah, I wimped out and wore the leather pants to work this morning, > changed into Dockers after I arrived. I might have to check out > the mylar things you are talking about. They are inserts/glove liners, > right? Go on under your regular winter gloves? Yup, into your gloves. Brian mentioned silk or wool as well because his experience with these wasn't as good as mine. It is possible, but probably due to mis-use. The instructions state that you should don the gloves onto warm hands. The heat from your hand is reflected back to the hands. I can see these inserts not working if you stuck your cold hands in them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 15:22:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23104 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03785 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA06399 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:22:06 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F0.006F27A9 ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:14:06 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: "Todd Peer" cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F0.006EA420.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:13:55 -0500 Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hey Todd. When I think of mylar, I picture the material that mylar baloons are made out of. Are these inserts the same material as those baloons? And if so, I would think they would make your hands sweat because they can't breath. And it would seem that they wouldn't last very long if it's the same material. Please clear up my misconceptions. Enquiring minds want to know. 8-) Steve Yup, into your gloves. Brian mentioned silk or wool as well because his experience with these wasn't as good as mine. It is possible, but probably due to mis-use. The instructions state that you should don the gloves onto warm hands. The heat from your hand is reflected back to the hands. I can see these inserts not working if you stuck your cold hands in them. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 16:23:26 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24152 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxdwg-0006uR-00; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:23:22 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:21:44 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:19:43 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. You can reach me at girlbiker@XXXXXX or at jlobrien@XXXXXX. Thanks! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 16:26:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24175 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04736 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08773 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-35.s35.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.35]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id QAA07919 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:25:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:54:28 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Shaftie question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will not release from the tranny! What am I missing? I'm sure it's something simple, but I can't find it... trying to get the silly wheel pulled so I can put a nice and pretty new tire on it.... Thanks in advance Collin ps: feel free to call me here at the house :) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 16:32:23 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24324 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA16706 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:34:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199901052234.RAA16706@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:32:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Priority: normal In-reply-to: <852566F0.006EA420.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) For warm hands i've found that windblocc Polar fleece gloves with a Gortex glove shell just can't be beat. The windbloc fleece is not as thick as normal fleece, and unlike some gloves they aren't useless when wet. I am even one of those people who have chronically cold hands & they have kept me warm in freezing rain and bitter cold wind...even for extended peroids of time... I really like them because they are very warm, yet not bulky-.. I can still get the "feel" of the road. The only drawback is i've spent my entire glove budget for the next 8 years... :-( -John Newman 88 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 17:06:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24927 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05184 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09952 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 275; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:04:49 -0500 Message-ID: <36928CE1.387167FD@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 17:06:25 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, on my bike, you just pull the wheel away from the shaft gearbox thingy, it falls right out (ok, with a little tug or two) once the axle is removed. Are there any spacers still in place (like collars that fit around the axle)? The wheel has to pull AWAY from the shaft housing first, not directly back and off the bike like a sprocket-bike wheel would. Hope that helps. I think I just confused myself. ;) Good luck, Dale Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > > Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... > How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the > transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other > bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will > not release from the tranny! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 17:35:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25466 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05461 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA11473 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MSRLa00808; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:34:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4612f34b.3692935e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:34:06 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: racing chassis & engine Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Is anyone looking for a TLR to buy for racing? or just looking for a wrecked one to buy at all? if so, I have one. It was a beautiful bike til about an hour ago when she high sided coming out of my street. First time Ive ridden it since about a month ago. oh well, it was all my fault I guess, and since I dont have full coverage insurance (liability only) I cant afford to fix it. so, Im taking a loss and selling it. someone make me an offer. or send donations. j/k. Seriously though, I am willing to sell it. Im ok, just sore on my left side. The bike still runs, has a full m4 cf exhaust on it, left pipe joint dented now, cans still good. Left side rear set and shifter are no longer. frame, forks, rear swing arm all still good. tires still good. rear and right side body still good. probably only about a grand in damage to the right side. maybe more. probably more. anyway... Im off to rest. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 17:55:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25817 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05650 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA12417 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id WAA03411; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:51:56 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990105205456.QANG14051@toddnt>; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 14:54:56 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:57:15 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be38ed$f92a5be0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <852566F0.006EA420.00@goliath.intelsol.com> They are a synthetic fiber (like nylon) with Mylar threads woven into the fabric. It is the same sort of Mylar though. Todd > > Hey Todd. When I think of mylar, I picture the material that > mylar baloons > are made out of. Are these inserts the same material as those baloons? > And if so, I would think they would make your hands sweat because they > can't breath. And it would seem that they wouldn't last very long if it's > the same material. > > Please clear up my misconceptions. Enquiring minds want to know. 8-) > > Steve > > > Yup, into your gloves. Brian mentioned silk or wool as well because his > experience with these wasn't as good as mine. It is possible, > but probably > due to mis-use. The instructions state that you should don the > gloves onto > warm hands. The heat from your hand is reflected back to the > hands. I can > see these inserts not working if you stuck your cold hands in them. > > Todd > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:08:32 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26099 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:08:28 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr26-dialup54.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.118]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F5400890081FI@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:07:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:07:51 -0500 Subject: Re: racing chassis & engine To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <00b601be3900$3a2159c0$764937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal What!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What the F*#K happened man???!!!!! And why oh why don't you have full coverage on that bike!!! Jon -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: tl1000s@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; balt-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 5:49 PM Subject: racing chassis & engine >Is anyone looking for a TLR to buy for racing? or just looking for a wrecked >one to buy at all? if so, I have one. It was a beautiful bike til about an >hour ago when she high sided coming out of my street. First time Ive ridden it >since about a month ago. oh well, it was all my fault I guess, and since I >dont have full coverage insurance (liability only) I cant afford to fix it. >so, Im taking a loss and selling it. someone make me an offer. or send >donations. j/k. >Seriously though, I am willing to sell it. Im ok, just sore on my left side. >The bike still runs, has a full m4 cf exhaust on it, left pipe joint dented >now, cans still good. Left side rear set and shifter are no longer. frame, >forks, rear swing arm all still good. tires still good. rear and right side >body still good. probably only about a grand in damage to the right side. >maybe more. probably more. anyway... Im off to rest. > >Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:19:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26333 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:19:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA05981 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA13981 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA09362; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:18:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from vna-va12-24.ix.netcom.com(207.223.178.88) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma009352; Tue Jan 5 17:18:09 1999 Message-ID: <3693EE84.7DE57BB7@ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:15:16 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've never done it, but according to the shop manual for my 85 Nighthawk S, You move the wheel to the right to separate it from the final drive case. Ed Hand 92 FJ1200 "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... > How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the > transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other > bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will > not release from the tranny! What am I missing? I'm sure it's > something simple, but I can't find it... trying to get the silly wheel > pulled so I can put a nice and pretty new tire on it.... > Thanks in advance > Collin > ps: feel free to call me here at the house :) > > -- > _________________________________________ > Collin and Penny Fagan > LT, U.S. Coast Guard > (202) 366-0067 (work) > (703) 356-4279 (home) > ICQ UIN: 435732 > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ > (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) > http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ > (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:28:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26559 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06077 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA14414 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-40-35.s35.tnt11.ann.erols.com [207.172.40.35]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id SAA03903; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:26:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3692A6BC.4B78A15C@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:56:44 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ed Hand CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> <3693EE84.7DE57BB7@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info... I finally got it. Straight pulling wasn't cutting it, but after much wiggling to accompany the pulling it popped right off... Now for a phone call to Mr. Dysart for an appointment with the tire changer, and I should be in business again... Collin Ed Hand wrote: > > I've never done it, but according to the shop manual for my 85 Nighthawk > S, You move the wheel to the right to separate it from the final drive > case. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 18:53:12 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26986 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06334 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15767 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:53:03 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id STGBa20553; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:51:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:51:13 EST To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: racing chassis & engine Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/5/99 5:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX writes: << Is anyone looking for a TLR to buy for racing? or just looking for a wrecked one to buy at all? if so, I have one. It was a beautiful bike til about an hour ago when she high sided coming out of my street. >> Sorry to hear about it. Glad you're alright. At least I wasn't around you this time or it might have been worse. :-) Collect donations and keep riding. ;-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 21:23:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29495 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07871 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA19073 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CWXHa20555; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:22:19 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:22:19 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TLR wreck Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I know it seemed like I was jumping the gun in saying I was selling it, and well, I think I still am. I will take some pictures and send them to the lists so you can give advise or use to see if anyone wants it. BTW, it has less than 5000 miles on it, and the damage is on the left side, not the right like I mistakenly put in the mail. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 21:41:19 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29747 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.27.81]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 371; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:39:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3692CDCC.49120879@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:43:24 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles , Concours Owners Group Subject: Maybe it's too cold? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, New Years day, I had a group ride, and my disklock was frozen. It was about 20 degrees F. Was able to get going after I took a lighter to the lock to free things up. I've also been commuting to work the last few days, temps have been hovering around in the high teens and 20's. After running on reserve for most of the commute, I pulled into the gas station tonight only to find my gas cap frozen shut. Don't think I wanna take the lighter to the fuel cap, if you know what I mean. I've got some lock de-icer that doesn't really help, and I know I could probably heat up the key and try to force the cap open. But maybe this is the bike's way of saying I need more wheels on the ground. Looks like I'm caging it till it warms up. Sigh. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "You know, the scary thing is, there's horkster@XXXXXX a whole bunch of people around here Dale City, Virginia who think I am normal!" - Me 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 22:09:52 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm04sm.pmm.cw.net (pm04sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00346 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr31-dialup26.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.74.154]) by PM04SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35508) with SMTP id <0F54002XWBF3U1@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:09:39 -0500 Subject: Re: TLR wreck To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, dc-cycles Message-id: <003601be3922$01beb7e0$9a4a37a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Streetfighter............... I hear a project coming! Sean, keep your bike, it's paid for and you'll lose more money selling it like it is than keeping it around and waiting to see what unfolds. You might not be able to afford to restore it to look exactly the way it was, but there are many alternatives. Here is a good chance to get a little creative and make your TL-R unique. Of course, you could sell it and have a phat down payment on an R-6........... Jon p.s. let me know if you ever need some help, I'm right around the corner. -----Original Message----- From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX To: tl1000s@XXXXXX ; dc-cycles@XXXXXX ; balt-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 9:34 PM Subject: TLR wreck >I know it seemed like I was jumping the gun in saying I was selling it, and >well, I think I still am. I will take some pictures and send them to the lists >so you can give advise or use to see if anyone wants it. BTW, it has less >than 5000 miles on it, and the damage is on the left side, not the right like >I mistakenly put in the mail. > >Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 22:46:44 1999 Return-Path: labonilla@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00974 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:46:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-184-184.s184.tnt23.brd.erols.com [207.172.184.184]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01072 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:46:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36930755.1E7C6103@erols.com> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:48:54 -0800 From: Alexander Bonilla X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Removing me from the mailing list!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please take out of the mailing list. Thank you!!! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 23:30:54 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01635 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09173 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21133 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.46]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:27:28 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Shaftie question Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:32:31 -0500 Message-ID: <023c01be392d$930a7440$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal You mean remove the rear from the pumpkin? Should be some auto type lug nuts on the opposite side. Remove driveshaft from back of tranny? Varies by make. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 23:39:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01730 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA09278 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA21286 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:35:50 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , Subject: RE: racing chassis & engine Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:40:53 -0500 Message-ID: <023e01be392e$be230ec0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <4612f34b.3692935e@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Damn, that's a major bummer. Glad to hear you're on the mend. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 5 23:49:09 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01914 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 23:35:51 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , , "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: TLR wreck Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:40:54 -0500 Message-ID: <023f01be392e$beec7940$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <003601be3922$01beb7e0$9a4a37a6@default> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sounds like an idea to me. If you need someone to spin wrenches... (and if you want to do some work from home instead of through the shop for a few bucks, give me a call) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > alternatives. Here is a good chance to get a little creative and > make your > TL-R unique. Of course, you could sell it and have a phat down payment on > an R-6........... > > Jon > p.s. let me know if you ever need some help, I'm right around > the corner. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 00:29:22 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02576 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12076; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:24:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:20:14 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <472f83d0.36877337@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 12/28/98 12:14:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > << Doubt it.Ever read _Back Street Heros_ or _AWOL_?The cruiser/chopper > subculture >> > You made my point, it is a small hardcore group of fans. Actually,there's quite a large number of custom riders over there.Remember, they have more riders than we do. > < or Sportster really handled.And at how well they pass cars with only a > few tweaks.>> > Yes I have ridden a Sportster and know how they really handle, my 75 Commando > handles better at speed. You need more than a few tweaks to do the passing I > am talking about, you need also get around the car or truck and get back in > your single lane before you head-on an oncoming vehicle and do this on a > sweeping turn, not just pass on a four-lane road which any bike can do. > I have never ridden with you and can't vouch for your ability, however, a very > good rider might be able to ride fast comfortably on a Harley, I certainly > would not want to though, I know my limits. On the other hand, the only bike > that I would want someone like Colin to ride and hope to be able to keep up > with him on my ZX-9R is a Harley. Well, after he lost the floorboards it > would probably still be hopeless. LOL Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor.I've also ridden an FXRS-SP with heads and cam.It would do the passing you mentioned.And the new FXDX with the Twin Cam would be a shoe-in with decent tires,fork springs, and shocks. Harleys really suffer from the RUB-on-a-softail stigmata.Not all of them are lead sleds. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 00:45:11 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02879 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:45:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.23]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:41:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <024801be3937$fa102860$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model > w/stock motor) Probably a '57. But they're all the same, right? :) FWIW, I think the '57s were the best looking ones. But performance.... > and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't > take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor. Especially not when you've seen what some of the modified Buells can do. Still, the existence of the Buell continues to cause me disappointment in the regular XL line: why don't those lovely heads and cams appear on the XLS?? > Harleys really suffer from the RUB-on-a-softail stigmata.Not all of > > them > are lead sleds. Luckily, the same catalogs with all the chrome and other high maintenance trash also carry heads, cams, ignitions, etc, etc... Still, even you have to admit that RUBs on softails far outnumber those with hot-rodded Harleys. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 00:59:12 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03049 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA12275; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:55:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:48:23 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <024801be3937$fa102860$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, George Howell wrote: > > and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't > > take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor. > Especially not when you've seen what some of the modified Buells can do. > Still, the existence of the Buell continues to cause me disappointment in > the regular XL line: why don't those lovely heads and cams appear on the > XLS?? They are on the '98-later models(with the blacked-out motor).They don't make the same power for two reasons.First,they don't have the Buell airbox or exhaust.Blame the styling and marketing depts for this.Second,without the rubber engine mounts,revving a Sporty like a Buell can get painful and loosen parts.Since they figured most Sporty riders wouldn't go much past 4k rpm,they set up the motor to make it's power in the midrange. Tweak the intake,swap the ignition module,and put on a proper 2-into-1 exhaust,and you'll get Buell power out of an XL-S. > Still, even you have to admit that RUBs on softails far outnumber those with > hot-rodded Harleys. Yep.And it's because of this that late model HD's have to be choked back with restrictive aircleaners and shorty duals. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 03:34:29 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA06132 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA13705; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:30:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 03:30:27 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" In-Reply-To: <199901051644.LAA19401@meretrix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > You're not the only one who whimped out.. I wore the lined wind-pants this > morning, over the Dockers. I don't ride to work(winter or summmer),but I do walk 2.5 miles and I've just added a nice item to my winter wardrobe.I picked up a set of flannel lined jeans.Just like regular Levi's only with a layer of flannel on the inside.Very warm,and much more comfortable than jeans+long johns.Got 'em for $35 from WearGuard(1-800-388-3300).They make work clothes and have lots of neat stuff for keeping warm. >To bad I messed up wrapping my scarf and my neck > froze.. :P Forget scarves.Get an apple warmer or wind triangle.Apple warmers attach to your helmet and enclose your neck.Wind triangles are nylon triangles usually lined with fleece that snap or velcro in the back,no wrapping required.They can both be found in Dennis Kirk,Rider's Warehouse,and JC Whitney catalogs.I bought a Nology(think that's the name,n-somehting) triangle for myself and it works premo. If you're on a budget,you could always pick up a balcalva(sp?) for like $5-6 to wear under your scarf. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 05:59:24 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08500 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust009.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.9]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA15981; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:01:22 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106105318.006bd270@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:53:18 -0500 To: JOE NAGY , dc-cycles@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply At 10:42 AM 1/5/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at >30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. I suspect Pat Widder will disagree with you. 1-800-WY-B-COLD or http://www.widder.com I think he uses Olympia gloves, at least they sure look a lot like them. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 05:59:36 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08503 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust009.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.9]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA15986; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:01:25 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106105321.006b218c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:53:21 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Ok. I'll be there. What would you like me to bring? We don't cook here, so it really doesn't matter. Anything you'd like? Leon. At 04:19 PM 1/5/99 -0500, O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >(off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. You can >reach me at girlbiker@XXXXXX or at jlobrien@XXXXXX. >Thanks! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 06:23:19 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA08906 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA14208; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:19:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:15:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Dent Fix Info To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all, Got a friend who's bike fell over and now he has a small dent in his tank.From how he described it,it sounds like it can just be popped out.Any recommendations for a local shop that could do this? Send to me or to him directly at jstod@XXXXXX(name's John).He lives in Woodbridge.TIA. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 07:15:36 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09769 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:15:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for dc-cycles.org!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Wed Jan 6 06:15 CST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id GAA16987 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 06:15:28 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3944.2FB87650@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:14:23 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: scarf you say? Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:14:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian, Instead of a scarf, you may want to try a neck gaiter. I got one from a bicycle shop about a year ago, and it's great. It's like a tube made out of what looks like T-shirt material that you pull over your head. It tucks under your jacket collar, and goes up to your nose (or eyes if you prefer). They are made of polypropylene (spelling?), so even though they feel like T-shirt cotton, NO wind gets through them. And they are small enough to wad up and stick in a pocket if it gets warm. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 > > >From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" >To: "'dc'" >Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply >Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 08:44:22 -0800 > > >...Too bad I messed up wrapping my scarf and my neck >froze.. :P > >Brian > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 07:29:47 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09961 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 07:29:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061229.HAA09961@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 04:29:41 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: scarf you say? Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 04:29:34 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > Instead of a scarf, you may want to try a neck gaiter. That's fine and dandy.. problem is, I hate pulling things over my head.. I can't put it on after my helmet's on, it's not 'adjustable' to the weather conditions.. not wool (gee, do you see a theme with me and wool? wonder if that's directly related to growing up in the mountains of Wyoming, where the highs, sometimes for weeks on end, are no more than -20 degrees.. *grin*). Been down the road of the neck gaiter thingy.. they work, but aren't what I'm looking for. Good suggestion though.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11022 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71A49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:30 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106083423.00ff49e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:34:48 -0500 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.c om> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Count me in. Though it's not 100% definite until we get a little closer. Chris Norloff At 04:19 PM 1/5/99 , O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >(off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. You can >reach me at girlbiker@XXXXXX or at jlobrien@XXXXXX. >Thanks! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:40 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11030 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15155 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28385 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71B49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106083510.00ff2df0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:07 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Shaftie question In-Reply-To: <36928A14.AECF60A9@geocities.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The rear wheel doesn't connect to the transmission -- that's your problem! Seriously, though - you have to pull the wheel to the side to get it to disengage from the splines of the final drive. One bike I worked on (Honda Magna) had just barely enough clearance to wiggle the wheel out between the final drive and the other side of the swingarm. Chris Norloff At 04:54 PM 1/5/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >Silly question for you shaftie owners out there... >How the heck do you get the rear wheel to release from the >transmission? I've got the axle out, the brake released, and no other >bolts/screws visible that I can tell need loosened, yet the wheel will >not release from the tranny! What am I missing? I'm sure it's >something simple, but I can't find it... trying to get the silly wheel >pulled so I can put a nice and pretty new tire on it.... >Thanks in advance >Collin >ps: feel free to call me here at the house :) > > > > >-- >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LT, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >(racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11023 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71C49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106083847.00ff63b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:41:07 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? In-Reply-To: <3692CDCC.49120879@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:43 PM 1/5/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >I've got some lock de-icer that doesn't really help, and I know >I could probably heat up the key and try to force the cap open. >But maybe this is the bike's way of saying I need more wheels on >the ground. Looks like I'm caging it till it warms up. Sigh. :) Heating the key with a lighter then inserting it usually works well. Spray some WD-40 or better, LockEase (thin oil with graphite) to lubricate and to keep water from collecting on your lock innards. The oil will also lubricate the little flap that's supposed to keep water out. And where are you finding water anyway? I haven't seen water outside in a week! still ridin', Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:37:38 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11026 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A71D49000A6; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:37:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990106084223.00fd3810@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 08:43:38 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply In-Reply-To: References: <199901051644.LAA19401@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:30 PM 1/5/99 , Gil M. Nissley wrote: > Forget scarves.Get an apple warmer or wind triangle.Apple warmers attach >to your helmet and enclose your neck.Wind triangles are nylon triangles >usually lined with fleece that snap or velcro in the back,no wrapping >required.They can both be found in Dennis Kirk,Rider's Warehouse,and JC >Whitney catalogs.I bought a Nology(think that's the name,n-somehting) >triangle for myself and it works premo. > If you're on a budget,you could always pick up a balcalva(sp?) for like >$5-6 to wear under your scarf. Those work. I prefer a polar fleece neck gaiter (tube, around the neck). Covers my neck, seals the wind from coming in the bottom of the helmet, and can be pulled up to cover my ears and/or mouth. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:41:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11064 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15187 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28427 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.MSC.USCG.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28172; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:42:47 -0500 Message-ID: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1266201@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'George Howell'" , DC Cycles Subject: RE: Shaftie question Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:42:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Actually, I was just trying to get the wheel itself away from the drive portion of the transmission. After talking briefly with Dale, I went back out to the bike. Seems straight pulling wasn't enough to break the friction with the splines. After mucho wiggling and simultaneous pulling, the wheel popped right off. No lug nuts or anything like that...just the axle and associated spacers. Thanks again to all those that responded... Collin On Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:12 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > You mean remove the rear from the pumpkin? Should be some auto type lug nuts > on the opposite side. > > Remove driveshaft from back of tranny? Varies by make. > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:52:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11373 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:52:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061352.IAA11373@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:52:41 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Maybe it's too cold? Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:52:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > Heating the key with a lighter then inserting it usually > works well. Spray > some WD-40 or better, LockEase (thin oil with graphite) to > lubricate and to > keep water from collecting on your lock innards. > > The oil will also lubricate the little flap that's supposed > to keep water > out. And where are you finding water anyway? I haven't seen > water outside > in a week! 2 years ago when I was constantally having a problem with my gas-cap freezing shut, I'd dump hot water on the cap so I could get the key in, then WD-40 to try and get the water out.. it'd work for awhile.. but I was doing it once a month for awhile.. As for the water.. no clue (condensation?), but I have chunks of ice forming on the outside of my fairing.. looks kinda cool.. but it freaks me out.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:57:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11457 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA15320 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28781 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:10 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F1.004BE589 ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:48:59 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: Dale Horstman cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F1.004B558F.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:48:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Dale I remember having the same problem on my Concours. And it wasn't necessarily because of the cold weather. That mechanism tends to dry out and it starts to oxidize. Once you get it open again, you should remove the assembly from the tank and give it a good dousing of WD40 down into the lock portion of the assembly and add some grease to any sliding parts that you can reach. Hope this helps. Steve From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 08:57:46 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11469 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:57:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061357.IAA11469@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:57:41 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: Something strange.. chain stuff.. Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 05:57:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) On Sunday I went for a ride to warm to bike up, get some gas, heat the chain a little and charge the system (it was beautiful out!).. out and about for about 40 miles or so.. come back.. I knew the chain needed adjusting so I set out to clean, oil and adjust it.. it was in alignment 2 weeks ago when I'd checked it.. but this time it was way off (one side of the rear axle was much further forward than the other). Any idea what could cause that? The axle was torqued to specs.. the adjustment nuts were locked tight and I couldn't see any unusual wear on either of the sprockets.. it was just weird.. never seen it before.. BTW, I check my chain/rear wheel alignment from the center of the axle to the center of the swingarm pivot with a ruler.. not by the little marks that tell you when your chain's worn out.. Brian From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 09:35:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12133 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15757 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29612 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 299; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:34:09 -0500 Message-ID: <369374BE.B7A5E438@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:35:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Shaftie question References: <97DA9F224D5CD111A0CE00600832A5B1266201@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, I suppose that design wouldn't lend itself too well to rapid pit stop tire changes at Daytona, huh? :) Oh well, I still prefer them over chains & sprockets. ;) Dale Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > > Actually, I was just trying to get the wheel itself away from the drive > portion of the transmission. After talking briefly with Dale, I went back > out to the bike. Seems straight pulling wasn't enough to break the friction > with the splines. After mucho wiggling and simultaneous pulling, the wheel > popped right off. No lug nuts or anything like that...just the axle and > associated spacers. > > Thanks again to all those that responded... > Collin > > On Wednesday, January 06, 1999 8:12 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] > wrote: > > You mean remove the rear from the pumpkin? Should be some auto type lug > nuts > > on the opposite side. > > > > Remove driveshaft from back of tranny? Varies by make. > > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 09:40:29 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA12146 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id JAA00213; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:37:29 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029745; Wed, 6 Jan 99 09:36:37 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5500G6Y7G5NH@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F1.00505BB3 ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:37:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:34:39 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Since the slow months are upon us, I thought I'd ask a question that's been eating at me for some time now. While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? Thanks, Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:42:16 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23035 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08412 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 238; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3693A920.D5F61DB1@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:19:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette, The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I wasn't looking, I got old! :) Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about boring old bikes all evening? ;) Dale (the Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know > (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:43:44 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23042 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24329 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:52 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:40:01 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cog@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Seasons Greetings -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No #%!*ing way man! This #%!*ing sucks! There's no Aermacchi on the #%!*ing tree! Happy #%!*ing holidays my #%!*ing a$$! Joe Still trying to recover from the #%!*ing Detroit airport : -/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:59 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22967 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11594 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxyCQ-0003bi-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:00 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Directions to Superbowl Party! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:57:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone needs directions to the party which is on January 31, starting at 3PM, here they are! Points North and West: I-495 to US-50 east. Eastbound on US-50 for approx. 10 miles. Take exit for George Mason Drive and make a right at the stoplight (George Mason southbound). Continue on George Mason Drive through four lights. At the fifth light make a right. This will be Columbus Street. Our house is the on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. Points South and East: I-95 to I-395 North. Continue on I-395 to the exit for Seminary Road. Go through the first light on the exit ramp and make a left at the second light. Continue on Seminary Road to where it turns into George Mason Drive (Seminary turns left...continue straight for George Mason). After it turns into George Mason Drive go through three lights. At the fourth light make a left. The will be Columbus Street. Our house is on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. If anyone should get lost, please speak to Tom (703) 931-9143, not Jeannette, as she will get you even more lost!!! From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:37 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22955 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28923 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0SOa019764 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 My bike is hibernating and so is it's rider. But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff happening around town. Thanks to many of you, we'll all have the benefit of the following events: 30,000 SQUARE FOOT SWAP MEET! Sunday, January 10 York Fairgrounds in York, PA 10-4, $6 Admission East Wing of Memorial Hall, 334 Carlisle Ave., York, PA INTERNATIONAL BIKE SHOW February 12-14 Baltimore Convention Center 12th-6pm til midnight, 13th-10am til 10pm, 14th-10am til 6pm ABATE & AMA Members receive a $1 discount New ATV dealers & displays, stock & custom accesories, custom bike show with 13 classes, antique & vintage bikes to check out too! For more info 301.808.2233 DAYTONA BIKE WEEK February 26 thru March 7 (Not I! Still too cold!) NOTEABLE URLs TO KEEP HANDY: www.daytonachamber.com/98prize.htm www.officialbikeweek.com www.ama-cycle.org From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:48 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22961 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20399 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id QAA03476; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:21:59 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002877; Wed, 6 Jan 99 16:20:56 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5500C8BQ5XHT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F1.00755A9E ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:21:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:18:34 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Fairing Painter? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F1.0073ED47.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Hi all. Can anyone recommend a good (cheap, with good work) source to paint my Seca II? Depending on cost, I might do just body panels or include the frame also. Also, does anyone know of a good source for salvaged body parts? I might just try to replace some panels rather than have the bike repainted (again, depending on cost). Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22959 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23446 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22243 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14109 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Wed Jan 6 13:34 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA01433 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE397A.6D1B4690@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Charging Systems Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We may have already visited this subject but I thought I would pose it again since it's winter. How many amps or watts does a charging system require to stay afloat and keep the battery alive? (I'm running electrics) Maybe this is too simple a question not taking the model of bike into consideration, but I thought that there may be a rule of thumb. I would like to eventually mount a voltmeter, electronic or otherwise, to the VFR when I figure out an attractive place for it, but until then I have to sit down and do the math on the electrical system. The only thing I know currently is that I have a 470 watt alternator and I draw about 100 watts with Jacket Liner and gloves. I haven't factored in all the lights, fuel injection, etc. It worked fine during the 4 hour trip from NJ to VA per the recommendation from the Gerbing rep. --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:44:08 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23045 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21118 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 266; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3693770F.E08CC6B7@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:45:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? References: <3.0.3.32.19990106062016.00c81c5c@mailhost.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I got lots of great suggestions on how to fight the problem of the frozen gas cap, from building a shed to hot water to wd-40 and grease to hair dryers. They probably all would work. FWIW, I went outside this morning (probably about 15-20 degrees, same as last night) and the cap opened right up! Maybe it just took my lock de-icer stuff some time to work. It was supposedly 8 degrees at Dulles airport when I left for work this morning (right up the road from the office). I took the cage. It's a shaftie. It doesn't countersteer. It can't wheelie. It sucked. But I stayed warm. :) Good news is it's supposed to be warmer tomorrow. Ride safe y'all! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:42:06 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22969 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08832 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:58 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:21:29 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? I meant no glove by itself, sorry I wasn't more clear. Olys w/heated grips do just fine. Joe >>> Leon Begeman - 1/6/99 5:53 AM >>> At 10:42 AM 1/5/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at >30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. I suspect Pat Widder will disagree with you. 1-800-WY-B-COLD or http://www.widder.com I think he uses Olympia gloves, at least they sure look a lot like them. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:43:20 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23039 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from r1.boston.juno.com (r1.boston.juno.com [207.205.100.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01391 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by r1.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id LAAAA29765 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYATQZRC; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Message-ID: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-5,11-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:24:24 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a little cramp in the >hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept extends to a wind skirt (like the >coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. I wonder where you can get one of those wind skirt/blanket things and how (or if) you attach it to your bike. When I worked downtown I saw the Park Police and the DC Police motorcops use them in all kinds of super-cold weather. Except for their frozen chins, those guys looked relatively comfortable. I wouldn't mind having a thick wool (right, Brian?) blankie over my legs for winter commuting on a cruiser. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:41 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22957 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26437 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06209 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:07:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106235904.006a4754@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:59:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Widder is electrical, yes. I forgot to plug in on the way home this afternoon. Didn't notice until I was halfway home, and only then because the voltage was up around 14.0 It doesn't usually run that high in the winter. 'Course it was warmer than 30, so I guess that doesn't count. Leon. At 02:21 PM 1/6/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:35 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22953 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00374 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8GMMa20554; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/6/99 12:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor >> It was a mid-80s Sportster. I don't know what "handles really well" means, it is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in 1970 and my VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly compared to my ZX-9R. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:42:48 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23037 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01941 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061655.LAA01941@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:30 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: [VFRlist] Pics and writeup on Twin Turbo VFR... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) uhh.. from the VFR lists... Glenn, Bruce, others? time for an upgrade? heh.. :) Brian -----Original Message----- From the main list. Go to http://www.emagick.com/bornhall/ Some pics and a small write up, along with a numbers to contact the guys that did it. ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:51 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22963 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13685 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990106193053.15034.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [171.209.210.113] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:30:53 PST Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Dent Fix Info To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would he like to know how to do it himself? A hell of a lot cheaper than a shop and a lot easier than you would think. Ray ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > Hey all, > Got a friend who's bike fell over and now he has a small dent > in his tank.From how he described it,it sounds like it can just be > popped out.Any recommendations for a local shop that could do this? > Send to me or to him directly at jstod@XXXXXX(name's John).He > lives in Woodbridge.TIA. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22951 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03302 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24674 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18774 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-67.s67.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.67]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14839 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3694216D.79C71CA7@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:52:30 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Another successful tire change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the subject says, tire changing went fairly smooth at Glenn's house this evening. The worst problem that we encountered was a frozen can of Rim Eaze!! So into the house for a beer and TV while it thawed in a tub of hot water :) Both tires seated OK using Glenn's compressor; however, it just didn't seem to have the same ooompf that the commercial compressor at the gas station up the street from my house has. I prefer to hear two nice loud SNAPS compared to two soft "plops". Tomorrow after work they'll be mounted back on the bike and Friday I'll be riding in again....ahhhhhh ..... riding...... guess I better hunt for a set of gloves tomorrow too...all I have is a lightweight pair of summer racing gloves... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 22:41:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22965 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11468 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxy7M-00032v-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:55:44 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:51:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Of course we will! We have a nice big t.v. in the family room for those who wish to actually view the game! ; ) What's the date of your b-day? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:19 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! > > Jeannette, > > The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring > a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I > wasn't looking, I got old! :) > > Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans > can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about > boring old bikes all evening? ;) > > Dale (the Horkster) > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:10:45 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00635 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-67.s67.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.67]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id XAA24200 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:09:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36943ADF.5DDFEB6E@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:41:03 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Another successful tire change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the subject says, tire changing went fairly smooth at Glenn's house this evening. The worst problem that we encountered was a frozen can of Rim Eaze!! So into the house for a beer and TV while it thawed in a tub of hot water :) Both tires seated OK using Glenn's compressor; however, it just didn't seem to have the same ooompf that the commercial compressor at the gas station up the street from my house has. I prefer to hear two nice loud SNAPS compared to two soft "plops". Tomorrow after work they'll be mounted back on the bike and Friday I'll be riding in again....ahhhhhh ..... riding...... guess I better hunt for a set of gloves tomorrow too...all I have is a lightweight pair of summer racing gloves... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:21:47 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23042 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24329 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:52 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:40:47 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:40:01 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, cog@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX Subject: Seasons Greetings -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline No #%!*ing way man! This #%!*ing sucks! There's no Aermacchi on the #%!*ing tree! Happy #%!*ing holidays my #%!*ing a$$! Joe Still trying to recover from the #%!*ing Detroit airport : -/ From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:25:00 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23037 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01941 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:55:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901061655.LAA01941@bacardi.torrentnet.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:30 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: FW: [VFRlist] Pics and writeup on Twin Turbo VFR... Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 08:54:26 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) uhh.. from the VFR lists... Glenn, Bruce, others? time for an upgrade? heh.. :) Brian -----Original Message----- From the main list. Go to http://www.emagick.com/bornhall/ Some pics and a small write up, along with a numbers to contact the guys that did it. ;) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:49:09 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22957 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26437 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust001.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.1]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA06209 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:07:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990106235904.006a4754@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 18:59:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Widder is electrical, yes. I forgot to plug in on the way home this afternoon. Didn't notice until I was halfway home, and only then because the voltage was up around 14.0 It doesn't usually run that high in the winter. 'Course it was warmer than 30, so I guess that doesn't count. Leon. At 02:21 PM 1/6/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:50:39 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22953 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00374 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8GMMa20554; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:14:10 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/6/99 12:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor >> It was a mid-80s Sportster. I don't know what "handles really well" means, it is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in 1970 and my VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly compared to my ZX-9R. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:51:59 1999 Return-Path: NAGYJ@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22969 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from iagw.martinagency.com (iagw.martinagency.com [205.161.206.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08832 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.martinagency.com by iagw.martinagency.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:58 -0500 Received: from MARTIN-Message_Server by mail.martinagency.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 14:21:29 -0500 From: JOE NAGY To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, mrider@XXXXXX, kirk@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Widder is electrical hoobyjoo, no? I meant no glove by itself, sorry I wasn't more clear. Olys w/heated grips do just fine. Joe >>> Leon Begeman - 1/6/99 5:53 AM >>> At 10:42 AM 1/5/99 -0500, JOE NAGY wrote: >I use Olympia winter gloves and they're great, but for long rides at >30-degree temps, no glove is gonna cut it. I suspect Pat Widder will disagree with you. 1-800-WY-B-COLD or http://www.widder.com I think he uses Olympia gloves, at least they sure look a lot like them. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:55:39 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23035 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08412 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 238; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3693A920.D5F61DB1@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 13:19:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeannette, The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I wasn't looking, I got old! :) Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about boring old bikes all evening? ;) Dale (the Horkster) O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know > (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:57:43 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02216 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09611 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be39f9$d2831b00$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: In the USA? Hop in your sleigh. Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:49:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Coast to coast the topic is c o o o o o l. [From the Vulcan (VROC) list.] 60 degrees - Californians put their sweaters on. 50 degrees - Miami residents turn on the heat. VROCers start wearing thier heavy jackets and gloves when riding. 45 degrees - Vermont residents go to outdoor concert. 40 degrees - You can see your breath Californians shiver uncontrollably Minnesotans go swimming. 35 degrees - Italian cars don't start. 32 degrees - Water freezes. VROCers start thinking about putting Sta-bil in thier tanks. 30 degrees - You plan your vacation in Australia. 25 degrees - Ohio water freezes Californians weep pitiably Minnesotans eat ice cream Canadians go swimming. 20 degrees - Politicians begin to talk about the homeless New York City water freezes Miami residents plan vacation farther south. VROCers are huddled in front of their monitors while thier bikes are nestled in the garage under a mink blanket. 15 degrees - French cars don't start Cat insists on sleeping in your bed with you. 10 degrees - You need jumper cables to get the car going. 5 degrees - American cars don't start. 0 degrees - Alaskans put on T-shirts. -10 degrees - German cars don't start Eyes freeze shut when you step outside. -15 degrees - You can cut your breath and use it to build an igloo Arkansans stick tongue on metal objects Miami residents cease to exist. -20 degrees - Cat insists on sleeping in pajamas with you Politicians actually do something about the homeless Minnesotans shovel snow off roof Japanese cars don't start. -25 degrees - Too cold to think You need jumper cables to get the driver going. The VROCers in Australia make fun of you. -30 degrees - You plan a two week hot bath Swedish cars don't start. -40 degrees - Californians disappear Minnesotans button top button Canadians put on sweater Your car helps you plan your trip South. -50 degrees - Congressional hot air freezes Alaskans close the bathroom window. -80 degrees - Polar bears move South Green Bay Packer fans order hot cocoa at the game. -90 degrees - Lawyers put their hands in their own pockets. -100 degrees - Hell freezes over Clinton finally tells all. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 6 23:58:19 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22963 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13685 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990106193053.15034.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [171.209.210.113] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 11:30:53 PST Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Dent Fix Info To: "Gil M. Nissley" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Would he like to know how to do it himself? A hell of a lot cheaper than a shop and a lot easier than you would think. Ray ---"Gil M. Nissley" wrote: > > Hey all, > Got a friend who's bike fell over and now he has a small dent > in his tank.From how he described it,it sounds like it can just be > popped out.Any recommendations for a local shop that could do this? > Send to me or to him directly at jstod@XXXXXX(name's John).He > lives in Woodbridge.TIA. > > > > The official BuellBoy Genes model. > > gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> > > '98 FXDS-Conv > > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:03:24 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02349 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-21.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.62]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA09747 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be39fa$a7361820$3e10b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: Looking forward to trailer times? Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:00:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 For the ultra-efficient -- http://www.n-line.com/ Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:11:28 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02574 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11056 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.36]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:07:23 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , , Subject: RE: Made in America? was RE: Standards Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:12:37 -0500 Message-ID: <007801be39fc$57a62280$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Importance: Normal I imagine Gil will jump in here on this one, but to the best of my knowledge, the Sportys were last changed (majorly) in the mid-late 80's. Got a 5 speed, belt drive, better engines... Could be a modern Sporty is quite a different beast from the one you rode. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > It was a mid-80s Sportster. I don't know what "handles really > well" means, it > is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in > 1970 and my > VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly > compared to > my ZX-9R. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:15:26 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA02743 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:15:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA11152 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21161; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:16:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006b01be39fc$7eb53820$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Tom Zell" To: "Dale Horstman" , Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:13:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Nice 32" Sony Trinitron to watch the game on... my pride and joy!! :-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman To: O'Brien, Jeannette Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! >Jeannette, > >The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring >a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I >wasn't looking, I got old! :) > >Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans >can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about >boring old bikes all evening? ;) > >Dale (the Horkster) > >O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> >> Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >> (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:17:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22965 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11468 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxy7M-00032v-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:55:44 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:51:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Of course we will! We have a nice big t.v. in the family room for those who wish to actually view the game! ; ) What's the date of your b-day? - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 1999 1:19 PM > To: O'Brien, Jeannette > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! > > Jeannette, > > The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring > a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I > wasn't looking, I got old! :) > > Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans > can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about > boring old bikes all evening? ;) > > Dale (the Horkster) > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:21:48 1999 Return-Path: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22955 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28923 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0SOa019764 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 My bike is hibernating and so is it's rider. But that doesn't mean there isn't stuff happening around town. Thanks to many of you, we'll all have the benefit of the following events: 30,000 SQUARE FOOT SWAP MEET! Sunday, January 10 York Fairgrounds in York, PA 10-4, $6 Admission East Wing of Memorial Hall, 334 Carlisle Ave., York, PA INTERNATIONAL BIKE SHOW February 12-14 Baltimore Convention Center 12th-6pm til midnight, 13th-10am til 10pm, 14th-10am til 6pm ABATE & AMA Members receive a $1 discount New ATV dealers & displays, stock & custom accesories, custom bike show with 13 classes, antique & vintage bikes to check out too! For more info 301.808.2233 DAYTONA BIKE WEEK February 26 thru March 7 (Not I! Still too cold!) NOTEABLE URLs TO KEEP HANDY: www.daytonachamber.com/98prize.htm www.officialbikeweek.com www.ama-cycle.org From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:22:59 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23045 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21118 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 266; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 09:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3693770F.E08CC6B7@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:45:35 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List , Concours Owners Group Subject: Re: Maybe it's too cold? References: <3.0.3.32.19990106062016.00c81c5c@mailhost.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I got lots of great suggestions on how to fight the problem of the frozen gas cap, from building a shed to hot water to wd-40 and grease to hair dryers. They probably all would work. FWIW, I went outside this morning (probably about 15-20 degrees, same as last night) and the cap opened right up! Maybe it just took my lock de-icer stuff some time to work. It was supposedly 8 degrees at Dulles airport when I left for work this morning (right up the road from the office). I took the cage. It's a shaftie. It doesn't countersteer. It can't wheelie. It sucked. But I stayed warm. :) Good news is it's supposed to be warmer tomorrow. Ride safe y'all! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:24:05 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22961 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20399 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id QAA03476; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:21:59 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma002877; Wed, 6 Jan 99 16:20:56 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5500C8BQ5XHT@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F1.00755A9E ; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:21:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 16:18:34 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Fairing Painter? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F1.0073ED47.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Hi all. Can anyone recommend a good (cheap, with good work) source to paint my Seca II? Depending on cost, I might do just body panels or include the frame also. Also, does anyone know of a good source for salvaged body parts? I might just try to replace some panels rather than have the bike repainted (again, depending on cost). Chris Weaver ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:31:19 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03057 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA18401; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:27:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:10:04 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Sender: "Gil M. Nissley" Reply-To: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <33e3d64.36940a62@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > In a message dated 1/6/99 12:33:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, > gnissley@XXXXXX writes: > << Which model/year Sporty?I've ridden a '97 XL-S(sport model w/stock motor) > and it handled really well.With what I've seen from my Buells,it doesn't > take much to get useable power out of a Sportster motor >> > It was a mid-80s Sportster. Been alot of updates since then.Frame,carb,ignition/elect system,final drive,# of gears,displacement,etc,etc. > I don't know what "handles really well" means, it > is a very relative metric. I know my Norton handled very well in 1970 and my > VFR handled really well in 1986 but they both now handle terribly compared to > my ZX-9R. Let me quantify my phrase.The XL-S handled better than my old 700 Nighthawk S or my box-stock '86 VFR,both of which have similar weight/wheelbase to the Sporty.It won't hang with an R1 or 916,but it's right in there with any current standard and most sport-tourers. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:39:46 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03185 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA09046 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:39:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36947322.3A5C@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:41:07 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Chain Alignment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian McCoy, in response to someone, opined: > BTW, I check my chain/rear wheel alignment from the center of the axle to > the center of the swingarm pivot with a ruler.. not by the little marks that > tell you when your chain's worn out.. This has always been a perennial (maybe more often! ;) problem for me. Why? Well, as Brian points out, you can't get proper alignment from those little hash marks on the adjusting sliders (my terms). I remember when I had my 'ole Triumphs (ca 1970) the manual would suggest - I'm not making this up - taking two 2x4's and placing them along the sides of the front tire and setting them up against the rear tire to check for diversion (if I'm making myself clear). Of course, they didn't say you needed to know a little something about wood and how it bows or bends etc. but whatever... I always thought that seemed extreme, not to mention inexact, so what I do is this: I adjust as best I can using the wrench on the adjusters with equal turns (45 or 90 or whatever degrees) after I loosen the rear nut, insuring that the original alignment hasn't been altered. (What I mean here is to make sure you don't pull the right side of the wheel backweard once the nut is loose). Then I spin the rear wheel (a center stand helps big time here ;) and finally torque down on the axle nut, making sure I have maximum spin (revolutions). If there is deviation, I'm pretty sure it'll be discernible either by noise or increased friction. This seems to work for me. I got 22K (!) out of my el-cheapo RK O-type chain, which was recently replaced in the 'ole Interceptor. YMMV, JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:42:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22959 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA23446 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22243 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14109 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from caig1.fw.att.com by cagw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Wed Jan 6 13:34 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by caig1.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA01433 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE397A.6D1B4690@XXXXXX>; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Charging Systems Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:42:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We may have already visited this subject but I thought I would pose it again since it's winter. How many amps or watts does a charging system require to stay afloat and keep the battery alive? (I'm running electrics) Maybe this is too simple a question not taking the model of bike into consideration, but I thought that there may be a rule of thumb. I would like to eventually mount a voltmeter, electronic or otherwise, to the VFR when I figure out an attractive place for it, but until then I have to sit down and do the math on the electrical system. The only thing I know currently is that I have a 470 watt alternator and I draw about 100 watts with Jacket Liner and gloves. I haven't factored in all the lights, fuel injection, etc. It worked fine during the 4 hour trip from NJ to VA per the recommendation from the Gerbing rep. --John VFR800 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:44:19 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23039 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from r1.boston.juno.com (r1.boston.juno.com [207.205.100.51]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA01391 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by r1.boston.juno.com (8.8.6.Beta0/8.8.6.Beta0/2.0.kim) with ESMTP id LAAAA29765 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYATQZRC; Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Message-ID: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000c01be38bf$79e7dca0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-5,11-13 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:57:23 EST On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:24:24 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >I like the polar hands concept for the reason Kirk gives. I too get a little cramp in the >hands with thicker gloves. I wonder if the concept extends to a wind skirt (like the >coppers use on their H-D's) for my ST1100. I wonder where you can get one of those wind skirt/blanket things and how (or if) you attach it to your bike. When I worked downtown I saw the Park Police and the DC Police motorcops use them in all kinds of super-cold weather. Except for their frozen chins, those guys looked relatively comfortable. I wouldn't mind having a thick wool (right, Brian?) blankie over my legs for winter commuting on a cruiser. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:44:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22951 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03302 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA24674 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18774 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-46-67.s67.tnt9.ann.erols.com [207.172.46.67]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14839 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:22:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3694216D.79C71CA7@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:52:30 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Another successful tire change Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the subject says, tire changing went fairly smooth at Glenn's house this evening. The worst problem that we encountered was a frozen can of Rim Eaze!! So into the house for a beer and TV while it thawed in a tub of hot water :) Both tires seated OK using Glenn's compressor; however, it just didn't seem to have the same ooompf that the commercial compressor at the gas station up the street from my house has. I prefer to hear two nice loud SNAPS compared to two soft "plops". Tomorrow after work they'll be mounted back on the bike and Friday I'll be riding in again....ahhhhhh ..... riding...... guess I better hunt for a set of gloves tomorrow too...all I have is a lightweight pair of summer racing gloves... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:44:46 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA22967 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11594 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zxyCQ-0003bi-00; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 14:01:00 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC2@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Directions to Superbowl Party! Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 13:57:11 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain If anyone needs directions to the party which is on January 31, starting at 3PM, here they are! Points North and West: I-495 to US-50 east. Eastbound on US-50 for approx. 10 miles. Take exit for George Mason Drive and make a right at the stoplight (George Mason southbound). Continue on George Mason Drive through four lights. At the fifth light make a right. This will be Columbus Street. Our house is the on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. Points South and East: I-95 to I-395 North. Continue on I-395 to the exit for Seminary Road. Go through the first light on the exit ramp and make a left at the second light. Continue on Seminary Road to where it turns into George Mason Drive (Seminary turns left...continue straight for George Mason). After it turns into George Mason Drive go through three lights. At the fourth light make a left. The will be Columbus Street. Our house is on the left at 1220. It's the one with the blue shutters. If anyone should get lost, please speak to Tom (703) 931-9143, not Jeannette, as she will get you even more lost!!! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 00:49:12 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03479 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13223 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 00:45:50 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 00:50:51 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be3a01$af0e97a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Seen lots of cops with 'em. Anybody know a mounted cop to ask? Or maybe try a police equipment store? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 01:33:47 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA04217 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.39]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:20:27 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Christopher A. Weaver" , Subject: RE: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:25:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be3a06$85798120$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Actually, HD used to have a translation guide on their site. XL-> Sportsters FL-> Touring Bikes Beyond that, I'm lost:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 02:05:26 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA05060 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA19075; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 02:01:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 01:41:26 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 6 Jan 1999, Christopher A. Weaver wrote: > While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. > I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model > names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an > appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these > terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? F=Big Twin,XL=Sportster. FL='heavy' front end,16" wheel FLT=touring model FX='regular' cruiser,21 or 19" front wheel FXR=old rubbermount,had triangular side covers(similar to Featherbed frame) FXD=current rubbermount ST=softail frame(solid mount engine,underslung shocks) S=springer front end This is a sample of how they go.Sometimes they stray though,as an FLSTS is a Springer,while an XL1200S is a sport model.They also sometimes use part of the name in the model designation;ie,FXDWG=Dyna Wide Glide,FXDS-Conv= Dyna Convertible. If you want the whole story,surf over to World Wide Glide: http://world-wide-glide.com/nomen1.html The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 05:59:12 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA09425 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:59:10 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA27908 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id GQZMa03537; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:57:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30886209.36949314@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 05:57:24 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/7/99 12:10:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << I imagine Gil will jump in here on this one, but to the best of my knowledge, the Sportys were last changed (majorly) in the mid-late 80's. Got a 5 speed, belt drive, better engines... Could be a modern Sporty is quite a different beast from the one you rode. >> Frankly, the more modern sportsters look to be less "sport-bike" and more "cruiser" than the older ones, so I suspect that handling-wise they have not been transformed drastically. Not having ridden a new one I will not insist, however. Again, handling is a relative term. I suspect that a Sportster would be at or over its handling (and power) limits often at the corner and exit speeds achieved on some of the brisker rides I participate in with either the ZX-9R or VFR. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 06:04:25 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09524 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:04:23 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IHIPa04329; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:03:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:03:06 EST To: gnissley@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/7/99 12:41:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, gnissley@XXXXXX writes: << Let me quantify my phrase.The XL-S handled better than my old 700 Nighthawk S or my box-stock '86 VFR,both of which have similar weight/wheelbase to the Sporty.It won't hang with an R1 or 916,but it's right in there with any current standard and most sport-tourers. >> Gil, I don't know if you are prone to hyperbole in attempting to make a point or your style of riding is particularly suited to Harleys, however, I just will not believe that a Sportster handles "better" than a 86-VFR-750 for the type of aggressive riding I am talking about. Just the steering geometry of the Sportster and cornering clearance makes your assertion hard to swallow. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 06:06:58 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09612 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:06:57 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ODOGa07017; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:05:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 06:05:29 EST To: jckozyn@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Chain Alignment Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/7/99 12:44:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, jckozyn@XXXXXX writes: << I remember when I had my 'ole Triumphs (ca 1970) the manual would suggest - I'm not making this up - taking two 2x4's and placing them along the sides of the front tire and setting them up against the rear tire to check for diversion (if I'm making myself clear). >> The manual for my Norton says to use straight 2x4s. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 07:09:28 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (algw1.att.com [192.128.167.153]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10603 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from alms2.fw.att.com by algw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for meretrix.com!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Thu Jan 7 07:03 EST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by alms2.fw.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id HAA29303 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3A0C.9B4C4CC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:09:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Cc: "'Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: dc-cycles digest for 01/06/99 Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:09:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, This is the official explanation of the "HD Alphabet": http://www.harley-davidson.com/products/motorcycles/alpha/alpha.asp ...but I still don't get it. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 >Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 09:34:39 -0500 >From: "Christopher A. Weaver" > >Subject: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Content-disposition: inline >X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL > >Since the slow months are upon us, I thought I'd ask a question that's been >eating at me for some time now. > >While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. >I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model >names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an >appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these >terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? > >Thanks, >Chris Weaver > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11755 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA01839 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA27733 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5122410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:29 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107081726.00fc8770@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:21:48 -0500 To: "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Charging Systems In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:42 PM 1/6/99 , Carver, John wrote: >How many amps or watts does a charging system require to stay afloat and >keep the battery alive? (I'm running electrics) Maybe this is too >simple a question not taking the model of bike into consideration, but I >thought that there may be a rule of thumb. I wondered how long I could leave my vest on when I'm riding in town with my new(er) bike. So I started the bike, hooked up the vest, dialed it to maximum and put a voltmeter across the battery. My bike, with a 400 watt alternator (yay!) will put 13.2 volts to the battery at about 1600 rpm (and more voltage at higher rpms, up to the voltage regulator limit). Anything above 13.2 will charge the battery (6 cells at 2.2 volts each means a 12-volt battery is really a 13.2-volt battery). So I figure I'm okay. warmly, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11758 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5172410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:31 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107082310.00fc0590@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:24:42 -0500 To: "Christopher A. Weaver" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? In-Reply-To: <852566F1.004EEB5A.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:34 AM 1/6/99 , Christopher A. Weaver wrote: >While not a cruiser fan, I'd like to know enough to understand the subject. >I've always been perplexed by the number of acronyms, descriptors and model >names of Harley Davidsons. I'm sure there's someone out there (or an >appropriate FAQ) that could enlighten me as to what on earth all of these >terms mean. Anyone like to take a stab at it? Simple really, each letter stands for a more commonly known symbol. That symbol is " $ ". Or you could try http://www.harley-davidson.com/home.asp look under "Products Index", "H-D Alphabet" Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11757 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A50A2410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107075543.00fbae60@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 07:56:22 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! In-Reply-To: <3693A920.D5F61DB1@tidalwave.net> References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? :-) Chris Norloff At 01:19 PM 1/6/99 , you wrote: >Jeannette, > >The Lady Horkster and I will be attending. Maybe we'll bring >a birthday cake (I'll be turning 30). Hey, somehow when I >wasn't looking, I got old! :) > >Are you gonna have somewhere where us actual football fans >can actually watch the game? Or are we just gonna talk about >boring old bikes all evening? ;) > >Dale (the Horkster) > >O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: >> >> Can everyone who is planning on coming to the party please let me know >> (off-list if you'd like) and what you're bringing, if anything. > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:22:52 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11756 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5142410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:28 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107081044.00fcda90@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:14:47 -0500 To: "John C. Kozyn" , dc-cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Chain Alignment In-Reply-To: <36947322.3A5C@mnsinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Brian McCoy, in response to someone, opined: >> BTW, I check my chain/rear wheel alignment from the center of the axle to >> the center of the swingarm pivot with a ruler.. not by the little marks that >> tell you when your chain's worn out.. > >At 03:41 AM 1/7/99 , John C. Kozyn wrote: >This has always been a perennial (maybe more often! ;) problem for me. >Why? Well, as Brian points out, you can't get proper alignment from >those little hash marks on the adjusting sliders (my terms). I remember >when I had my 'ole Triumphs (ca 1970) the manual would suggest - I'm not >making this up - taking two 2x4's and placing them along the sides of >the front tire and setting them up against the rear tire to check for >diversion (if I'm making myself clear). With my chain-drive bikes, I line up the axle with the little marks on the swingarm, then go for a test ride. I figure the left side of the axle is the chain tension adjustment, so I leave that alone after I set it. I then adjust the right side of the axle until the motorcycle tracks straight ahead with my hands off the handlebars. My last chain lasted 27,000 miles. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:23:27 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA11792 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from natiboh.torrentnet.com (natiboh.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.1]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04249 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by natiboh.torrentnet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id IAA06949 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com(204.194.180.31) by natiboh.torrentnet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma006947; Thu, 7 Jan 99 08:23:07 -0500 Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5182410218; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:22:32 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990107082453.00fcb670@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:28:20 -0500 To: "George Howell" , "Bikes R Us" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Speaking of cold hands -Reply Cc: In-Reply-To: <000001be3a01$af0e97a0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <19990105.105934.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:50 AM 1/7/99 , George Howell wrote: >Seen lots of cops with 'em. Anybody know a mounted cop to ask? Or maybe try >a police equipment store? I suspect the lap blankets come as part of the package deal with the bikes. Rumors have it that Langlitz Leathers (http://www.langlitz.com/) might make the lap blankets, but I think they're probably custom made for each customer. I just don't think there's enough market to actually make a production run. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:43:17 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12143 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zyFiT-0002VX-01; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:43:13 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBCB@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:39:23 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, great! : ) > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 7:56 AM > To: Dale Horstman; dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 08:53:00 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12302 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA15359 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:52:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3694E6E7.4E8D@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 08:55:03 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: Attn Ray Lucas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, Sorry for the bandwidth wastage, but I have some info for Ray and don't have his addy handy. JK From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 09:15:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12679 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02469 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibmmail.COM (ibmmail.com [204.146.168.193]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA28673 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: ddiefend@XXXXXX Received: by ibmmail.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via spool with SMTP id 4126 ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:15:28 EST Received: from mail1.dominionsc.com [32.72.67.7] by imxgate.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R4a) via TCP with SMTP ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 09:15:21 EST Received: by mail1.dominionsc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F2.004E77FD ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:17:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: DSC To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F2.004D999B.00@mail1.dominionsc.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:15:25 -0500 Subject: several tidbits.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Chris Weaver asked about the Harley Nomenclature.... check www.harleyswap.com/glossary.htm For chain alignment..... I am a real pack rat so years ago I thought i should keep this "blackboard compass". Remember the old wooden compass your teacher used in high school Geometry, had the rubber end and a piece of chalk? Well if you insert a sharpened dowel into both ends you can very accurately compare both sides of the axle to center of swingarm length, and reach over all the stuff in between! Scarves..... One of the reasons I bought my FirstGear jacket was the fleece lined neck warmer that is part of the jacket liner. the liner has a slit in the middle of the back, that the neck warmer can be pulled up through if wanted. Has Velcro adjustment and works very well. Anyone with a sewing machine could do similar to any removable liner I am sure, check it out when you stop in a shop.... Dave From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 09:40:30 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13014 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5.mcit.com [166.37.210.27]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA06864 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:37:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990107143955.ECRE22059@[166.41.242.214]> for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:39:55 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Bike For Sale... not mine a friend's bike Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3a4b$8f4785e0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal FYI > > For Sale: > 1998 Kawasaki Concours ZG-1000 all dealer service has 2900 miles > will sell > with tank bag. Asking $6500.00... Call Dave Wilson days: > 614-856-3976 x 207 > evenings 614-759-8526. Bike located in the Columbus Ohio area. Dave said > he will be out of town 1/9 through 1/13. You can also email him at > dwilson@XXXXXX > > Remember.... contact him NOT me! > Thanks. > Brick > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:09:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13486 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:09:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 158; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3694CE18.EC6062E6@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:09:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBAD@badge.tuckerflyer.com> <4.1.19990107075543.00fbae60@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, at halftime. Knock yourself out! :) Dale Chris Norloff wrote: > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? > > :-) > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:10:51 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13499 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:10:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 355; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:09:06 -0500 Message-ID: <3694CE75.22AC5D38@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:10:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" CC: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! References: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBC1@badge.tuckerflyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My birthday really is the 31st - SuperBowl Sunday! Pretty cool, huh? (Too bad the Steelers sucked this year....oh well...) Dale O'Brien, Jeannette wrote: > > What's the date of your b-day? > > - Jeannette -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:27:39 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13846 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:24:21 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Chris Norloff" , "Christopher A. Weaver" , Subject: RE: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:29:28 -0500 Message-ID: <003501be3a52$83cafc40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990107082310.00fc0590@mail.toward.com> Importance: Normal > Simple really, each letter stands for a more commonly known symbol. That > symbol is " $ ". This from someone with a K11LT?? ;) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 10:29:35 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13856 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.30]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:26:17 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Chris Norloff" Cc: Subject: RE: Superbowl Party Head Count! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:31:24 -0500 Message-ID: <003601be3a52$c8c474c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <3694CE18.EC6062E6@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal > Sure, at halftime. Knock yourself out! :) > > Dale > > Chris Norloff wrote: > > > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? Hey, you're gonna miss the MTV superbowl Deathmatch special! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 13:07:21 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16624 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:07:19 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id NAA24750; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:08:44 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma024522; Thu, 7 Jan 99 13:07:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F57001G1BG1XF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F2.0062DAFA ; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:59:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 10:27:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F2.0054AB01.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Yeah, even if your not a football fan the cool commercials are worth watching. One of the few programs that you can tape and fast forward TO the commercials. :-) --chris To: Chris Norloff cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Dale Horstman Date: 01/07/99 03:09:12 PM GMT Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Sure, at halftime. Knock yourself out! :) Dale Chris Norloff wrote: > > Okay to use the TV & VCR for some motorcycle movies? :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 14:04:39 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17589 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id OAA20622; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:34 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id OAA22002; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer? Going slow and enjoying the scenery, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 14:36:49 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18207 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:36:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901071936.OAA18207@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:28:38 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:28:33 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) The wosrt choice you could make would be to not pay it. My situation went the other way, live in MD, got caught speeding in VA.. 90-something*mumble, mumble* in a 55.. went to court, ended up with just a plain ole speeding ticket, and $130 in fines/court costs.... about half what the ticket itself was for.. and a HELL of a lot cheaper than all the compounding fines for ignoring the situation. (I know that from experience.. ignored a speeding ticket received in Wyoming when living in Montana.. they came and found me, I ended up paying over $1,000 when that was all said and done) As for your question, I believe the ticket crosses the state lines, but no points of other offenses/infractions. I only have 2 points on my MD license.. from one ticket I've received here.. since then, I've had 4 other tickets in 4 other states... they've shown up, but without any penalty to me (or my insurance interestingly enough). Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) > -----Original Message----- > > Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation > between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding > ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it > I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA > to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer? > > Going slow and enjoying the scenery, > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:07:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18745 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omss5.mcit.com (omss5-fddi.mcit.com [166.37.204.27]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id TAA20057; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:05:29 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omss5.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 120) with SMTP id <19990107200614.DFYI28868@[166.41.242.214]>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:06:14 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000901be3a79$23fc3e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Yes. There is reciprocity between MD/VA/DC. Though I am unclear that if you were cited for over 80mph, or whatever is considered 'reckless driving' in VA, that it would show this way on your record. I believe MD has a more progressive attitude concerning speed and would simply report it as 'speeding'. > > > Hi, > > Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation > between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding > ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it > I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA > to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer? > > Going slow and enjoying the scenery, > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:17:23 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18915 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from galileo.cris.com (galileo [206.173.119.84]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id PAA07260; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:16:50 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by galileo.cris.com (8.8.5) id PAA24933; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia In-Reply-To: <000901be3a79$23fc3e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not really concerned with the points showing up on my license as I am with being tracked down and put in jail for not paying the ticket. The question is will they come looking for me? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:28:16 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19093 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA26640 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:28:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:28:09 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > I'm not really concerned with the points showing > up on my license as I am with being tracked down and put > in jail for not paying the ticket. The question is will > they come looking for me? They will issue an arrest warrant but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll come looking for you. If you get pulled over again in MD you could be in for some trouble though. Once you receive an arrest warrant you usually figure it's time to pay the fine. At least I did. :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:32:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19222 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08456 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11536 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:32:30 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MFVCa06035; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:31:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6ffcbf7e.369519b5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:31:49 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Dundalk district court Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Anyone know where the hell this place is located? I have to go there tomorrow for a court date that I got back in august on my tlr. 76 in a 65, I was just cruising in the fast lane, not in and out of cars or anything. I was too tired for all that I had been riding since 4am coming home from a work trip, anyway, enough explaining, the address is 100 center place in dundalk. ??? I know how to get to dundalk over the key bridge, but from there, got me... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 15:40:05 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19340 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYDV6SCR; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:37:35 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Message-ID: <19990107.153514.8159.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901071936.OAA18207@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-8,21-23 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 15:37:35 EST On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:28:33 -0800 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >...since then, I've had 4 other tickets in 4 other states... they've shown up, but without >any penalty to me (or my insurance interestingly enough). > >Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) Yeah, you're just lucky. From MY experience, a MD ticket will show up on your VA record. Not PAYING the ticket right away will cause a compounding of the fine of geometric proportions. And if you're heavily in the red regarding points, a MD ticket could cause your VA license to be suspended. And your insurance company could drop you (and your wife with her perfect record, whose only fault was marrying you). Then you'd be shopping for insurance and having many outrageous figures quoted to you by smug insurance agents with island vacation brochures in their pockets featuring pictures of beaches at sunset and impossibly tan people wearing bright-colored swimwear and happy smiles. My advice to Hugh would be to go to court and try to have the offense reduced to something less points-heavy, such as "Failure to Obey a Highway Sign," and to pay the fine on the spot. Just don't ask me how I know... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:13:40 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22041 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA23889; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 17:13:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-51.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.179) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023760; Thu Jan 7 17:12:23 1999 Message-ID: <007a01be3a93$22899cc0$b35e23c7@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , Subject: Re: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:12:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 MD will suspend your OL if you dont pay the fine and/or appear in court, = then send notice to VA DMV who will in turn also suspend your OL. Then = you run the risk of getting locked up for driving on a suspended = OL...... Class 1 Misd $2500.00, up to one year..... Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 2:10 PM Subject: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia > > Hi, > > Could someone fill me in on the reciprocity situation >between MD and VA? I live in VA and got a monster speeding=20 >ticket in MD in late December. I know that if I don't pay it >I'll loose my right to drive in MD but will they come to VA >to arrest me and haul me off to the slammer?=20 > > Going slow and enjoying the scenery,=20 >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:42:11 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22514 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:42:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (a0179.chantilly.mns.net [206.239.104.211]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA07625 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:41:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369570E8.7D25@mnsinc.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 18:43:52 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: GP racing Sim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey gang, This from alt.motorcycle.sportbike ================================== Don't know of it's any good, they claim it's a sim, not an arcade game. http://www.ascaron.com/german/products/gp500/index.html The demo in one zip file can be had here - (20 meg) http://www.3dfiles.com/games/grandprix500ccm.shtml From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:43:50 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22526 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:43:41 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22692 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:43:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901072343.SAA22692@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Valley Cycle To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:43:15 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text I took advantage of the great weather, and visited Valley Cycle in their new location in Winchester. They are on East rd 50, 2 miles east of Harley dealership, next to airport. Great new facility, quite a few nice bikes. There is a 1999 new red Ducati 996. Just gorgeous. I spend about half an hour looking at small detials, tank shape, etc. etc. Got back home, and in my mailbox there were a new issue of Cycle World, with a story about this particular bike. What a coincidence. Tomorrow snow. Will have to wait few weeks before I will pull my bike out of garage. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:51:22 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22682 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:51:21 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9WRSa01433; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:46:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:46:33 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, jlobrien@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Superbowl Party Head Count! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/7/99 10:15:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << My birthday really is the 31st - SuperBowl Sunday! Pretty cool, huh? (Too bad the Steelers sucked this year....oh well...) Dale >> ALRIGHT!!! ANOTHER STEELERS FAN!!! :-) Yeah,, birthday on SuperBowl Sunday is pretty cool. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 18:53:51 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22693 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0JWTa15290; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:52:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <667ee141.369548a4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:52:04 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/7/99 2:42:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << As for your question, I believe the ticket crosses the state lines, but no points of other offenses/infractions. I only have 2 points on my MD license.. from one ticket I've received here.. since then, I've had 4 other tickets in 4 other states... they've shown up, but without any penalty to me (or my insurance interestingly enough). Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) >> Nope, just right. :-) The ticket crosses the border but not the points. He's also right about paying the ticket. Just do it and get it over with. If it's too much, call ask set up payments. They'd rather do that then not get any money at all. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 20:02:50 1999 Return-Path: labonilla@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23813 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from erols.com (207-172-54-20.s20.tnt16.brd.erols.com [207.172.54.20]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03072 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:02:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369583E8.B2EDC996@erols.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 20:04:56 -0800 From: Alexander Bonilla X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Mailing list!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone tell me what do I have to do to get out of the mailing list, (i.e. the right e-mail address to write to)? From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 21:38:33 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm03sm.pmm.cw.net (pm03sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.152]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25265 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:38:31 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.3]) by PM03SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F5700DH3ZB4MX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:37:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:38:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Mailing list!!! To: Alexander Bonilla , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00f901be3aaf$f9a54bc0$034937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Alex you loser, e-mail Harry at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX and tell him to unsubscribe you. Puto culero...... Jon 8^P -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bonilla To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Mailing list!!! >Can anyone tell me what do I have to do to get out of the mailing list, >(i.e. the right e-mail address to write to)? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 21:44:26 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm02sm.pmm.cw.net (pm02sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25364 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.3]) by PM02SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33506) with SMTP id <0F5700BGKZKZXL@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 02:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:44:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle To: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <011101be3ab0$cd3af200$034937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >There is a 1999 new red Ducati 996. Just gorgeous. I spend about half >an hour looking at small detials, tank shape, etc. etc. Got back home, >and in my mailbox there were a new issue of Cycle World, with a story >about this particular bike. What a coincidence. >_zjt Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 22:05:53 1999 Return-Path: labonilla@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25842 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com (207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.2]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA25223; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by 207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BE3A8A.2F24EEC0@XXXXXX>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:07:58 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE3A8A.2F24EEC0@207-172-182-2.s2.tnt19.brd.erols.com> From: Alexander Bonilla To: "'dawn.jon@XXXXXX'" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Mailing list!!! Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:06:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HEY JON (GAY BOY) Dawn, thanks for the info. PLAYITO By the way, that message in the answering machine is sooooo GAY!!! -----Original Message----- From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX [SMTP:dawn.jon@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 6:38 PM To: Alexander Bonilla; dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Mailing list!!! Alex you loser, e-mail Harry at dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX and tell him to unsubscribe you. Puto culero...... Jon 8^P -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Bonilla To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 8:18 PM Subject: Mailing list!!! >Can anyone tell me what do I have to do to get out of the mailing list, >(i.e. the right e-mail address to write to)? > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 22:07:24 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA25885 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:07:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-127.s127.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.127]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02146; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:06:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369577BB.A2FE9657@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:12:59 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX CC: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valley Cycle References: <011101be3ab0$cd3af200$034937a6@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the 996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but hey.... Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess it wasn't a scam after all :) dawn.jon@XXXXXX wrote: > Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) > > Jon -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 7 22:31:06 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm06sm.pmm.cw.net (pm06sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26307 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup3.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.3]) by PM06SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #35510) with SMTP id <0F5800FRZ1QRSD@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:30:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:31:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , dc-cycles Message-id: <014401be3ab7$51cbf5e0$034937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, >and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the >996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but >hey.... >Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist >magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted >info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess >it wasn't a scam after all :) Hey Collin, can you post that addy again? I want free mags! I must have missed that one..... BTW, I know what you mean, I can't afford a used 888 or 851, not to mention a 996! Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 00:26:58 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28195 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24345; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:23:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:10:42 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: Re: Made in America? was RE: Standards To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Jan 1999 Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > I don't know if you are prone to hyperbole in attempting to make a point or > your style of riding is particularly suited to Harleys, however, I just will > not believe that a Sportster handles "better" than a 86-VFR-750 for the type > of aggressive riding I am talking about. Just the steering geometry of the > Sportster and cornering clearance makes your assertion hard to swallow. Remember I'm talking about a _stock_ '86 Viffer vs the _Sport_ model XL(fancy suspension,sticky tires,uprated brakes).Maybe if you took the two out on the track the Viffer might have the edge with ground clearance and faster steering,but for anything but the most gonzo street riding the XL-S is better.Plenty of clearance for the street,no 16" front wheel twitch,and the modern suspension handles bumps much better.The Harley's suspenders are top shelf items;only dif between their's and a G00F's are the number of shocks and fork diameter.We've come a long way since the '80's. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 00:31:23 1999 Return-Path: gnissley@XXXXXX Received: from pafosu1.hq.af.mil (pafosu1.hq.af.mil [134.205.92.52]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA28352 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gnissley@localhost) by pafosu1.hq.af.mil (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA24371; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:27:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:23:37 +45722824 (EDT) From: "Gil M. Nissley" Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <000901be3a79$23fc3e60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Todd Peer wrote: > I believe MD has a more > progressive attitude concerning speed and would simply report it as > 'speeding'. Quite possible.I got nailed once in VA and the cop and judge didn't want to hear anything.Got tagged in MD by a speedtrap and the cop who wrote the ticket knocked it down as far as he could(about 12mph) just cause I pulled right over,waited 10min for him to pull up,and gave him zero flack.YMMV. The official BuellBoy Genes model. gnissley@XXXXXX GATB#1121 HSB#38D <*> '98 FXDS-Conv From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 01:28:07 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29207 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 01:17:22 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Gil M. Nissley" , Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:22:38 -0500 Message-ID: <009301be3acf$49e8fe00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 When I was 16, got pulled over doing 85 in a 40 (late at night, rural road, NOBODY on it, and I was young and stupid:) Told the cop I just got into a fight with girlfriend (true) and he said "man, I know where you're coming from" and proceeded to drop it to a one point "Excessive Speed" ticket. 'Course, he didn't know how fast I was really going. No radar. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 01:28:09 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29209 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.43]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 01:14:47 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" , Cc: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , Subject: RE: Valley Cycle Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:20:02 -0500 Message-ID: <009201be3ace$ed28ca60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <369577BB.A2FE9657@geocities.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, > and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the > 996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but > hey.... Didn't read the article (Ducati's are too rich for my blood. However, at the Ohio show last year, I must say that the size fit Angie to a T:) But what did they change besides bore and stroke? No offense, but there's no reason the price should change just from that. It doesn't cost any more to make two cylinders and two pistons that are a bit larger. HD makes MUCH more on the XL1200 than on the 883. Ditto for BMW and the 1100 vs. 850 twins. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 07:25:20 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05891 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:25:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081225.HAA05891@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:25:14 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: whee... fun ride. Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:25:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Ok, so I only made it like .3 of a mile total.. and it was slick.. very slick, so slick I could accelerate up the hill outside my home on my lethargic XT250 without spinning the tire.. but it was fun sliding it all over the place till I crashed.. :P Oh-well.. someone came and picked me up.. see, even when you don't have a 4 wheels joined to the same vehicle, you can get around in style in this weather.. :P heh.. Tha net turd goes skiing.. :) next installment. Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 09:44:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08071 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:44:11 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id JAA10672; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:45:46 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma010488; Fri, 8 Jan 99 09:45:08 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5800HGMWYDBX@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F3.0050C12A ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:42:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:40:19 -0500 Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Message-id: <852566F3.00506BDA.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL You're just lucky. Or there is only one-way reciprocity (kind of an awkward stmt, I know) I've gotten three tickets in the past 5 years or so ... one in MD on I-68, and one in NC on I-95. Both in a cage, and they hit my VA license complete with point assessments. The third was on the bike, on the BRP from a US Park Police Officer. VA has no reciprocity with the US Dept of the Interior, so that was just a fine (that I payed), but no points. --chris (who has NO tickets in the past 18 months, and is trying *really* hard to keep it that way) From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Date: 01/07/99 07:28:33 PM GMT Subject: RE: reciprocity Maryland -> Virginia --snip-- Brian (maybe I'm just lucky) ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:04:13 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08394 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id KAA20448; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:05:40 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019416; Fri, 8 Jan 99 10:04:44 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5800KBXXT471@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F3.0052700D ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:00:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:00:00 -0500 Subject: Motorcycle $$$ question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F3.005230B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Loosely MC related ... Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. I assume noone has received anything yet? --chris ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:15:47 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08625 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zyddX-00013F-01; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:15:43 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:13:45 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFBF7@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:11:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain I have, but I think just for my car. - Jeannette > -----Original Message----- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > [SMTP:christopher.meier@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:00 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle $$$ question > > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate > checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about > this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:18:09 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08635 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:17:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'christopher.meier@XXXXXX'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:17:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I received a check for my MR2 back in July and one for my Corolla and Magna a couple months ago. They were both for 12.5% which is what is stated for the first year. Next year it should be 25%. Glenn > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, > but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you > received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:19:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08645 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21737 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA01994 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:29 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F3.00536EA4 ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:11:18 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F3.00533BB3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:11:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess it wasn't a scam after all :) Yeah same here. When I got home yesterday, I found 3 issues in my mailbox (Dec., Jan. and Feb.) I never expected to receive anything. WooHoo! Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:19:53 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send104.yahoomail.com (send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08648 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990108152133.5586.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send104.yahoomail.com; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 07:21:33 PST Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:21:33 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I received a rebate check last early last month. It wasn't much but allowed me to supersize my lunch! Herb '94 Magna ---christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:21:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08718 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 304; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:19:31 -0500 Message-ID: <36962263.E8752A07@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:21:07 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question References: <852566F3.005230B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, not a penny, not yet. Haven't heard anything further either. Gilmore is off to a (unremarkable) start. I won't be happy until the PPT is G O N E!!! But that's just me. :) Dale (the Horkster, cheap bastard at large...) christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:34:34 1999 Return-Path: ehand@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08928 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA16815; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:33:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from vna-va17-58.ix.netcom.com(207.223.179.250) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016791; Fri Jan 8 09:33:36 1999 Message-ID: <3697761A.98D79E98@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:30:35 -0500 From: Ed Hand X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question References: <852566F3.005230B5.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received my rebate check for my bike and cage in December Ed 92 FJ1200 christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:50:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09232 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22157 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02764 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:50:09 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F3.00563E9C ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:01 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F3.0055F6E3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:41:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I have received nothing. But I pay so little tax for my old bikes that the refund amount would only amount to pennies. But I would be interested in finding out why other people have gotten a refund and I have not. Steve Beck Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:52:15 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09253 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYFX8CKV; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valley Cycle Message-ID: <19990108.105413.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <011101be3ab0$cd3af200$034937a6@default> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,6-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:44:20 -0500 dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: >Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) We have a used XX here that I am just dying to demo. I'd never seen one up close until it came in. What a wicked-, evil-, nasty-, sinister-looking machine! I love it! I just wish my wife was taller, so I could buy it and we could both ride it. Oh well... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 10:52:22 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09255 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYFX8CFX; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: whee... fun ride. Message-ID: <19990108.105412.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901081225.HAA05891@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,4-5,7-8,19-21 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:51:52 EST On Fri, 8 Jan 1999 04:25:12 -0800 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >Ok, so I only made it like .3 of a mile total.. and it was slick..very slick, so slick I could >n't accelerate up the hill outside my home on my lethargic XT250 without spinning >the tire.. but it was fun sliding it all over the place till I crashed.. :P Hope you weren't hurt and that your XT wasn't damaged. Reminds me of a story. (doesn't everything?) An old guy (77 years young) came in several months ago and bought a new Vulcan 500 to commute on. Said he'd had about 30 or 40 bikes over his lifetime, including a '47 Indian (which he bought new). He told me a story of commuting on a 50cc minibike on icy roads up in Wisconsin or somewhere. He said it would be too slippery to walk without falling down, yet he could ride his little bike with no trouble. He'd leave his feet down on both sides like outriggers and buzz around happily. He said he wore a long coat to stay warm and the coat almost completely covered the bike when he sat on it and even dragged its edges on the ground. Must have been quite a sight to see him cruising along over icy roads like a one-man hovercraft... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:31:37 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09894 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-127.s127.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.127]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23412 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3696359F.AF2DFF7A@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:43:11 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: yahoo chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey all.... While I sit here (working from home) and watching the snow fall and listening to an Alan jackson CD, I'm logged into the chat thingy on yahoo....so if anyone else wants to BS part of the day away, you can find me at http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Some firewalls won't like the java chat, others don't mind it...depends on how you're set up. If I don't answer immediatley, it's because I'm actually doing a tad bit of work in a different window... -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:43:01 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10083 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA28181; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:37 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990108164221.DZLH8311@toddnt>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:21 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:08 -0500 Message-ID: <000601be3b25$d51bf300$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36962263.E8752A07@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal I got mine; car, three bikes. Totalled about $60 refunded mostly because, like the Horkster, I'm a cheap bastard and refuse to buy a new vehicle. God, the tax on those $30k vehicles are enormous! Tax on my hunk-a-junk chevy, $140 last year :) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:21 AM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question > > > Nope, not a penny, not yet. Haven't heard anything further > either. > > Gilmore is off to a (unremarkable) start. I won't be happy > until the PPT is G O N E!!! But that's just me. :) > > Dale (the Horkster, cheap bastard at large...) > > christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back > about this, but > > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:43:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10086 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22823 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04635 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29761; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 15:41:39 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990108164223.DZLL8311@toddnt>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:23 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: <000701be3b25$d62c0370$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <852566F3.0055F6E3.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Importance: Normal This is interesting. I paid $6.09 in tax for the shadow I had last year. The refund was 100% ! Todd > > I have received nothing. But I pay so little tax for my old > bikes that the > refund amount would only amount to pennies. But I would be interested in > finding out why other people have gotten a refund and I have not. > > Steve Beck > > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about > this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 11:42:57 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10081 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta1.mcit.com (omta1.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA03822; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:39:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta1.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990108164220.DZKX8311@toddnt>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:42:20 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be3b25$d43feae0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36962263.E8752A07@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal What's a PPT? I'm sure it's how I feel about our lecherous leader in chief. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:21 AM > To: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question > > > Nope, not a penny, not yet. Haven't heard anything further > either. > > Gilmore is off to a (unremarkable) start. I won't be happy > until the PPT is G O N E!!! But that's just me. :) > > Dale (the Horkster, cheap bastard at large...) > > christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back > about this, but > > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > > > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 12:05:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10544 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA23218 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA05270 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id MAA20926; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:07:26 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma019893; Fri, 8 Jan 99 12:05:23 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5900GF13GMR0@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F3.005D9CF8 ; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:02:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:01:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F3.005D5C66.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL OK. so a follow up question ... anyone know whom to call to follow up on this? I assume that it would be the county (city) treasurer's office? --chris From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Date: 01/08/99 03:41:52 PM GMT Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question I have received nothing. But I pay so little tax for my old bikes that the refund amount would only amount to pennies. But I would be interested in finding out why other people have gotten a refund and I have not. Steve Beck ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 12:33:44 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11035 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 196; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3696416C.506ED99D@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:33:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question References: <000501be3b25$d43feae0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My abbreviation for Personal Property Tax. I'll be glad when it's gone. Enough with this "refund" bullcrap. Dale Todd Peer wrote: > > What's a PPT? I'm sure it's how I feel about our lecherous leader in chief. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 12:42:26 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11216 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-39-127.s127.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.127]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12140 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:42:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990108125431.013b10f8@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:54:31 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: magazine url: FW: Another Bonus from Erebuni Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jon and others, Here's the url for the free motorcyclist subscription. If you follow the links through the website, you'll find they have the same offer for motortrend magazine as well. As Steve mentioned, 3 issues of each were waiting in the mail yesterday... Collin >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX [SMTP:ErebuniCrp@XXXXXX] >>> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 1998 12:34 PM >>> Subject: Another Bonus from Erebuni >>> >>> Dear Loyal Visitor, >>> >>> At Erebuni, we really appreciate your involvement with our site, and are >>> delighted you've taken advantage of our Motor Trend Magazine Bonus.... >>> >>> We've now arranged for you to receive a FREE one year (12 issues), fully >>> paid >>> subscription to Motorcyclist Magazine. 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Please continue to visit our >>> site, >>> and enjoy the magazine! >>> >>> Your friends @ Erebuni >>> http://www.erebuni.net >>> >>> >>> >> _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:02:49 1999 Return-Path: rdt@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11577 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from rdt (207-172-119-161.s161.tnt2.brd.erols.com [207.172.119.161]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08163; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:02:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081802.NAA08163@smtp3.erols.com> From: "Roy D. Turner" To: , Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:04:50 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received my checks last month. Roy D. Turner, Esq. ---------- > From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Motorcycle $$$ question > Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:00 AM > > Loosely MC related ... > > Have any of you VA residents heard anything about when the rebate checks > from the VA personal Property tax are coming out? I saw a Wash Post > article with Gov Gilmore, and he patted himself on the back about this, but > the report gave no clue as to when the $$$ was being distributed. > > I assume noone has received anything yet? > > --chris > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:08:06 1999 Return-Path: rcrishock@XXXXXX Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11684 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for meretrix.com!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!rcrishock (dcn.att.com!rcrishock); Fri Jan 8 10:59 CST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id KAA04888 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:59:18 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE3AFE.4956C4C0@XXXXXX>; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Crishock, Richard" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:59:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In case anyone cares... The January 10th York, Pa meet is by J & P promotions and is a Harley meet. The January 17th York, Pa meet is a Will Stoner meet, British and European. Jan. 30-31 Custom Motorcycle Show, open to the public, by J & J Enterprises (904) 252-3101 Capital Expo Center, Chantilly. This last one looks (from the ad I saw) like it will be a Harley type meet as well. I will probably go to the 1-17 meet and hunt for some parts, and I may go to the Chantilly one, just because it's so close to the house. Rich '78 Triumph Bonneville Scowling Street Terrors #78 > > _ _ _ _ > .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. .-.-.=\-. > (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) (_)=='(_) > >From: LilBkrBabe@XXXXXX >Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 19:53:05 EST >To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >Subject: **MOTORCYCLE EVENTS CALENDAR** > >My bike is hibernating and so is it's rider. But that doesn't mean there >isn't stuff happening around town. Thanks to many of you, we'll all have the >benefit of the following events: > >30,000 SQUARE FOOT SWAP MEET! >Sunday, January 10 >York Fairgrounds in York, PA >10-4, $6 Admission >East Wing of Memorial Hall, 334 Carlisle Ave., York, PA > >INTERNATIONAL BIKE SHOW >February 12-14 >Baltimore Convention Center >12th-6pm til midnight, 13th-10am til 10pm, 14th-10am til 6pm >ABATE & AMA Members receive a $1 discount >New ATV dealers & displays, stock & custom accesories, custom bike show with >13 classes, antique & vintage bikes to check out too! >For more info 301.808.2233 > >DAYTONA BIKE WEEK >February 26 thru March 7 (Not I! Still too cold!) > >NOTEABLE URLs TO KEEP HANDY: >www.daytonachamber.com/98prize.htm >www.officialbikeweek.com >www.ama-cycle.org > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:13:27 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11810 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:25 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zygPH-0003Fv-00 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:11 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA09949 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14757 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081813.NAA14757@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Motorcycle $$$ question To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:13:14 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > OK. so a follow up question ... anyone know whom to call to follow up on > this? I assume that it would be the county (city) treasurer's office? > > --chris Chris, you and I live in the same district. Maybe they are doing it district by district? I got mine yesterday for car and bike. Louis From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 13:49:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12422 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24488 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:49:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08265 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:49:45 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HWTTa04297 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:48:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <60498bdd.36965312@aol.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:48:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: whee... fun ride. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 I rode in today too. Smack dab in the storm. It took me 20 mins to go less than a mile thru Old Town Alexandria. Any real power to the rear wheel spun it up and slid it out. Any real front brake pressure caused the front to lock up and slide (nearly crashing everytime), etc etc. Lots of fun.....I got about 3 different cagers giving me thumbs up signs. Jack From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 14:51:47 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13549 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA23591; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901081949.OAA23591@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Valley Cycle To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 14:49:53 -0500 (EST) Cc: dawn.jon@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990108.105413.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> from "Bikes R Us" at Jan 8, 99 10:51:52 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > On Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:44:20 -0500 dawn.jon@XXXXXX writes: > >Hmmm, does this mean you will be trading in the XX for a 996? 8^) > > We have a used XX here that I am just dying to demo. I'd never seen one > up close until it came in. What a wicked-, evil-, nasty-, > sinister-looking machine! I love it! I just wish my wife was taller, so I > could buy it and we could both ride it. Oh well... > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > John, I saw this bike yesterday after lunch. It is a nice XX with 4.5 kmiles, bridgestone on front and Macadam on rear... very clean. When weather will improve, give me a holler - you will take this one, I will take mine - and we will go for a ride... _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 16:01:43 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14662 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 16:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYGHW67C; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:01:26 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Personal Property Tax info Message-ID: <19990108.152602.5223.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-11 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:01:26 EST The number to call in Fairfax County is 222-8234 and then sit on perma-hold until they pick up. If you own your car, you'll have to give your social security number. If you lease, you'll need the VIN, because it'll be listed under the leaseing company instead of you. Today is a tough day to call because they're a little understaffed due to the snow, but I eventually found out that the state allows them up to 100 days from when they received your payment to issue your refund. My Jeep wasn't paid until November, so I guess I have until April to wait for that money. My F150's payment is still in processing (?!) so it may be an eon before I see that money. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 18:17:06 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16695 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:17:04 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup12.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.12]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F5900ISGKNEYR@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:16:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 18:16:59 -0500 Subject: Re: magazine url: FW: Another Bonus from Erebuni To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <00c801be3b5c$ffd60a40$0c4937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Jon and others, > >Here's the url for the free motorcyclist subscription. If you follow the >links through the website, you'll find they have the same offer for >motortrend magazine as well. As Steve mentioned, 3 issues of each were >waiting in the mail yesterday... >Collin I just got 3 issues in the mail today, I guess I did subscribe. My memory is shot. I might have to go back for the motor trend, though....... Jon From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 18:33:58 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA16950 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QTGQa03539; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:29:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:29:26 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX, dawn.jon@XXXXXX Cc: zbig@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Valley Cycle Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/7/99 10:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: << Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess it wasn't a scam after all :) >> Yeah, I started getting mine too. Got Dec, Jan and Feb all on Tuesday. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 18:38:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17040 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA27598 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15097 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust043.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.43]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA15888; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:40:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990108233242.006ac2e8@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 18:32:42 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , "Carver, John" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Charging Systems At 08:21 AM 1/7/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > >I wondered how long I could leave my vest on when I'm riding in town with >my new(er) bike. So I started the bike, hooked up the vest, dialed it to >maximum and put a voltmeter across the battery. My bike, with a 400 watt >alternator (yay!) will put 13.2 volts to the battery at about 1600 rpm (and >more voltage at higher rpms, up to the voltage regulator limit). Anything >above 13.2 will charge the battery (6 cells at 2.2 volts each means a >12-volt battery is really a 13.2-volt battery). On one of the trips back from Omaha, I stopped in the IronButt motel and left the vest on to stay warm. One hour later, the bike still started. The next time I tried it though I must have slept longer; I had to push start the bike, but then the battery charged right up so there wasn't any harm done. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 19:01:49 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17466 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA27817 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA15436 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.92]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 215; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:59:59 -0500 Message-ID: <36969CE8.6B856DDD@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:03:52 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Charging Systems References: <1.5.4.32.19990108233242.006ac2e8@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another reason while bikes should still have kickstarters, right? :) Dale (too bad all the really cool bikes are so old...) Leon Begeman wrote: > > On one of the trips back from Omaha, I stopped in the IronButt motel and > left the vest on to stay warm. One hour later, the bike still started. The > next time I tried it though I must have slept longer; I had to push start > the bike Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 20:21:41 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18635 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA11976; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:20:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3696D9A1.2710@mnsinc.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:22:57 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gixer@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles Subject: Motorcyclist Mag (was Valley Cycle) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 22:12:59 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" To: dawn.jon@XXXXXX CC: "Zbigniew J. Tyrlik" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Valley Cycle > Wouldn't that be sweet :) I too just read an article about one of them, > and I was surprised to see that they left the price tag unchanged on the > 996 from what the 916 went for....granted, i still can't afford it, but > hey.... > Oh yeah, I was reading all about it in my free issues of MotorCyclist > magazine that I just started getting from that website John Kozyn posted > info on here a while back and someone else reposted here lately...guess > it wasn't a scam after all :) Hey Collin, didja get your three issues all at once like I did yesterday? Hey, its not MCN, but for free, it wasn't too bad. Kinda like those color pics too. JK From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 21:39:59 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19758 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29263 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA17947 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29802 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA20890 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:34:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in the corner is good because it's less slippery than ice. Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. The route starts out easy, has a couple of technical spots, but no one should feel this ride is too tough. This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't about leaving the WSDY gang in the dust. This is about practicing one's riding technique under conditions that many riders don't. It's only a 34 mile route! If you average 10 miles per hour it'll take 3 1/2 hours to finish. Since 13 miles of the route is paved, and 4 miles can be avoided. I'm pretty sure that everyone can finish earlier than that. This isn't supposed to be intimidating. I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be back in time to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party. Start at McDonald's on Rt28 (new one with Play Place 1/2 mile south of 28/29 intersection.) >From Anita's Burger King on Rt 7: take 28 south, it's on the right just south of I-66 and Rt 29. >From Manassas: take 28 north, it's on the left across from Old Centerville Road. >From I66: take Exit 53, go south on 28, it's about 3/4 miles on the right. The Route: Odometer reading, Turn, On Road, and go this far, on a road that is 0, Left, North on 28, 1.1 miles, Paved 1.1, Left, West on Braddock Road (1st light north of I66), 11.7 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition few curves 12.8, Left, New Rd, 1.0 miles, Paved 13.8, Left, Mountain Rd, 3.7 miles, Paved 17.5, right, Take Ridge Rd up (then left) to the top of Bull Run Mountain, 2 miles, Mostly unpaved - tight switchbacks 19.5, Turn Around, Go back down the mountain on Ridge Road, 2 miles, Same road coming back down 21.5, right, Mountain Rd, 3 miles, Paved 24.5, right, Waterfall Rd, 1.2 miles, Paved 25.7, Right, Bull Run Mountain Road, 4.1 miles, Unpaved very rough 29.8, Right, Champe Ford Rd, 3.4 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition 33.2, Right, Rt 50, 0.8 miles, Paved 34, End, Aldie, End of ride. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 21:48:24 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19923 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29331 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18075 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA21072; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 21:50:42 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109024229.006b936c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:42:29 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Charging Systems Cc: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" The ones that have automatic transmissions should. With a manual transmission, it isn't necessary. I rode my CX650 a couple of weeks once while I rebuilt the starter. Leon. At 07:03 PM 1/8/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >Another reason while bikes should still have kickstarters, right? :) > >Dale (too bad all the really cool bikes are so old...) > >Leon Begeman wrote: >> >> On one of the trips back from Omaha, I stopped in the IronButt motel and >> left the vest on to stay warm. One hour later, the bike still started. The >> next time I tried it though I must have slept longer; I had to push start >> the bike > >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 8 22:22:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20526 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29632 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA18575 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29971 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.208]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 213; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: <3696CC08.272ECDB7@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:24:56 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday References: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I'll dust off the KZ400 for this run. Wonder how it'll handle with knobbie tires? :) Anyway, I don't think my little bro is riding it too much this time of year. He won't miss it much. ;) Leon Begeman wrote: > > Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in the corner is > good because it's less slippery than ice. > > Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on > pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. > http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html > > Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:12:45 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16564 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA18206 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYJ2ZSRL; Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:38:27 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: From another list Message-ID: <19990109.123401.5031.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-32 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 15:38:27 EST I got this from another list I dropped in on for a few days. I laughed and left. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us --------- Begin forwarded message ---------- From: "Paul G. Bifani" To: Jenny Ladd Cc: sbl@XXXXXX, Jerry Goodman Subject: Re: lifting a bike; dropping a bike Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:25:44 -0500 Jenny Ladd wrote: > Ooooo I hafta do this! :) > > "If your bike falls over in the woods, with nobody around to hear it, > do the trees snicker?" > > -jny Hi Jenny, Urm...I don't think so. Willows weep, pines whisper, sycamores sigh and chestnuts spread, but trees generally don't snicker. So you're safe. Paul Bifani --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:09 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16574 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08350 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA29786 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 15:49:52 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.178]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990109165035.GEYC6156@toddnt> for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:50:35 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: Are you one? Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:50:14 -0500 Message-ID: <000501be3bf0$21482a80$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal I can relate to at LEAST half of these... > YOU KNOW YOU'RE A BIKE FREAK WHEN... > > All your cars and trucks are parked outside because the garage is > full of bikes and parts. > > You think women are turned on by the sound of a bike starting. > > You have a collection of air filters (10) but only one fits your > current bike. > > Every shirt you own is cotton with something written on it. > > You think that dressing up means putting on a brand new t-shirt > and jeans. > > All your pants are stained with chain lube. > > You have more riding boots than dress shoes. > > You have three sets of tools - metric, regular and those goofy > British things. > > Sunday is set aside for riding instead of watching sports on TV. > > When your bike makes a funny ticking noise, you know right away > what it is without even looking. > > You can tell what bike it is just by hearing the exhaust. > > Someday you would like to find your first bike and restore it. > > Your bike is worth more than your car or truck. > > You shudder when you see some body tighten spokes with a cresent > wrench. > > The sides of your tires are worn more than the center. > > You know how and when to use your front brake. > > The only Springsteen you know rides Flat Track. > > You wash your parts in old gasoline even though it's about as safe > as sorting out live rattle snakes. > > Almost nothing on your new bike is stock and almost everything on > your vintage bike is. > > When your Income Tax comes in you start thinking about buying bike > parts. > > Even though it's 20 degrees and snowing, you walk past the cage to > get the bike for the commute to work. > > Fred Z. > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:13 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16576 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08624 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:52:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07349 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25969 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08972 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA27571; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 16:47:55 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.44.166.178]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990109165030.GEYB6156@toddnt>; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:50:30 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Leon Begeman" , Subject: RE: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:50:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3bf0$1e3237f0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> Importance: Normal As long as it's not raining/sleeting/icing, I'll be there. A little snow I can tolerate. Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Leon Begeman [mailto:mrider@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:34 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Route for SuperBowl Sunday > > > Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in > the corner is > good because it's less slippery than ice. > > Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on > pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. > http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html > > Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. The > route starts > out easy, has a couple of technical spots, but no one should feel > this ride > is too tough. This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't > about leaving the WSDY gang in the dust. This is about practicing one's > riding technique under conditions that many riders don't. It's only a 34 > mile route! If you average 10 miles per hour it'll take 3 1/2 hours to > finish. Since 13 miles of the route is paved, and 4 miles can be avoided. > I'm pretty sure that everyone can finish earlier than that. This isn't > supposed to be intimidating. > > I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be > back in time > to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party. > > Start at McDonald's on Rt28 (new one with Play Place 1/2 mile > south of 28/29 > intersection.) > > >From Anita's Burger King on Rt 7: take 28 south, it's on the right just > south of I-66 and Rt 29. > > >From Manassas: take 28 north, it's on the left across from Old > Centerville > Road. > > >From I66: take Exit 53, go south on 28, it's about 3/4 miles on > the right. > > The Route: > Odometer reading, Turn, On Road, and go this far, on a road that is > 0, Left, North on 28, 1.1 miles, Paved > 1.1, Left, West on Braddock Road (1st light north of I66), 11.7 miles, > Mostly unpaved - good condition few curves > 12.8, Left, New Rd, 1.0 miles, Paved > 13.8, Left, Mountain Rd, 3.7 miles, Paved > 17.5, right, Take Ridge Rd up (then left) to the top of Bull Run > Mountain, 2 > miles, Mostly unpaved - tight switchbacks > 19.5, Turn Around, Go back down the mountain on Ridge Road, 2 miles, Same > road coming back down > 21.5, right, Mountain Rd, 3 miles, Paved > 24.5, right, Waterfall Rd, 1.2 miles, Paved > 25.7, Right, Bull Run Mountain Road, 4.1 miles, Unpaved very rough > 29.8, Right, Champe Ford Rd, 3.4 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition > 33.2, Right, Rt 50, 0.8 miles, Paved > 34, End, Aldie, End of ride. > > > Leon Begeman > Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 > Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped > > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16585 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07559 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07188 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25820 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08933 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust035.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.35]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA04120; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:34:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109162629.006be66c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:26:29 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 11:02 AM 1/9/99 EST, Bikes R Us wrote: > >This sounds like a cool ride to test yourself on, but what does "WSDY" >stand for? The West Side Double Yellow gang are the 'faster' sport bike riders on this list. I thought I was a pretty good rider until I went out with those guys. I wasn't used to getting left behind in the curves, now I am again. Leon. Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:19 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16594 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07367 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07114 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25723 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08908 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-102.s39.as2.war.erols.com [207.172.109.102]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00135 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:23:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901091623.LAA00135@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: stolen VFR Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:28:36 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sending this along from the VFR list just in case any of you see or hear of this bike...the bike was stolen from Canada: In a message dated 1/9/99 2:48:46 AM, Lorne wrote: << Hello boys 'n girls, It is with a sad, and rather angry heart that I report the disappearance of JH2RC4622WM000010. Last seen by me Sunday afternoon, there was only an empty space when I got home this evening. No doubt it's long gone from this town. With any luck it's en route to Texas or Florida, so if any of y'all down south see a red '98 VFR with white wheels, VFR750 bars, a Yoshimurs RS3 stainless can, and some neat fork preload adjusters, shoot the prick then kick his corpse.>> Danny '96 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:22 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16597 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07473 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07135 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25740 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08914 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust035.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.35]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03949; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:28:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109162024.006bb50c@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:20:24 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 10:24 PM 1/8/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >I think I'll dust off the KZ400 for this run. Wonder how it'll >handle with knobbie tires? :) Ok. Since you won't be using the Connie that day, can I ride it? I haven't had a chance to try it yet. At 10:22 AM 1/9/99 -0500, D. Thompson wrote: >When you say this is not a dual sport ride, do you expect me to bring my >VFR? or maybe I don't understand. I would think my DR 350 dual sport bike >would be the better bike to ride for this route. I'll be riding my Ninja 250 unless Horkster lets me borrow his Connie. The purpose here is to get more comfortable off-pavement with bikes that should be on pavement. These are dirt roads, so expect to get a couple of rock chips and a bunch of dirt. If you don't want to put the VFR though that, then take the DR. > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16610 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06303 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06902 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA25556 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA08862 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 11:02:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYJJ7N56; Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:02:02 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday Message-ID: <19990109.100544.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,4-5,7 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 11:02:02 EST On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:34:04 -0500 Leon Begeman writes: >This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't about leaving the WSDY gang in >the dust. This is about practicing one's riding technique under conditions that many >riders don't. This sounds like a cool ride to test yourself on, but what does "WSDY" stand for? ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 01:14:33 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16622 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 01:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05393 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06714 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25355 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust035.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.35]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02663; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:39:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990109153142.006b2a30@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 10:31:42 -0500 To: WantAZX6@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: whee... fun ride. Way to go Jack! The only places I had any trouble at all were the last two blocks on the way in - there was some wet snow on the side streets in DC; and the last block coming home - the street hadn't been treated at all. I did get passed a lot more than normal though. Leon. At 01:48 PM 1/8/99 EST, WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: >I rode in today too. Smack dab in the storm. It took me 20 mins to go less >than a mile thru Old Town Alexandria. Any real power to the rear wheel spun >it up and slid it out. Any real front brake pressure caused the front to lock >up and slide (nearly crashing everytime), etc etc. Lots of fun.....I got >about 3 different cagers giving me thumbs up signs. > >Jack > > Leon Begeman Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 10:49:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26664 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20138 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA11487 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13398 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:49:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.25.24]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 397; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:46:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3698CC51.F47D80E3@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:50:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leon Begeman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday References: <1.5.4.32.19990109162024.006bb50c@illuminet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leon Begeman wrote: > > Ok. Since you won't be using the Connie that day, can I ride it? I > haven't had a chance to try it yet. Didn't say I wouldn't be using it, just that I wouldn't be riding it on the backroad route. Don't want BugSlayer to get jealous, I'll probably end up riding it to the party. :) > These are dirt roads, so expect to get a couple of rock > chips and a bunch of dirt. If you don't want to put the VFR though > that, then take the DR. You forgot to include the distinct possibility of an ice/snow induced low-side in addition to the rock chips and dirt. Plastic bikes don't crash well. If I'm gonna fart around with low traction roads, I'd rather do it on my cheap bike. :) Besides, this might be the one ride of the year where the little 400 can keep up with the pack. That doesn't happen often. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 10:50:57 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send201.yahoomail.com (send201.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.131]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26741 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:50:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990110155220.2966.rocketmail@send201.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.200.51.122] by send201.yahoomail.com; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:52:20 PST Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: BIKE WEEK 99 To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is anyone going to Bike Week this year? I'll be going on the last Wed of Feb to get to the Deland practice and races, and staying at least until the following Wed morning. Large truck with enclosed trailer with room for one or two passengers and bikes and gear, split driving and gas. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 18:42:24 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03930 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UVPDa03539 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:39:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:39:52 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: old town Alexandria Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I was in old town Alexandria last year, near the Torpedo Factory. There were a bunch of bikes in frot of a restaurant there. I was in the Fish Market, accross the street. What's going on? From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 19:51:47 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05014 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:51:45 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id TAA07859; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:53:17 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma007759; Sun, 10 Jan 99 19:52:22 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5D00C05EF0VF@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F6.000488A7 ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:49:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:48:52 -0500 Subject: Re: old town Alexandria To: STARAI@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F6.00044843.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL Folks usually meet there on Wednesday evenings in front of the torpedo factory at the intersection of Union and King. The restaurant across from the fish market is the Alamo. My SO and I used to go most every wed. Great bike parking for one of our favorite restaurants (Union St. Public House) right around the corner. Best crabcake sandwich in the area. --chris To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: From: STARAI@XXXXXX Date: 01/10/99 11:39:52 PM GMT Subject: old town Alexandria I was in old town Alexandria last year, near the Torpedo Factory. There were a bunch of bikes in frot of a restaurant there. I was in the Fish Market, accross the street. What's going on? ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 20:50:16 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05894 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:50:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901110150.UAA05894@meretrix.com> Received: from homeoffice-nt [204.194.180.106] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A8D3B017C; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:50:11 EDT X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:49:05 -0500 To: "George Howell" , From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: FXDXHDG??? Softtail, Hardtail, DynaGlide, Etc...??? In-Reply-To: <003501be3a52$83cafc40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <4.1.19990107082310.00fc0590@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:29 AM 1/7/99 -0500, George Howell wrote: >> Simple really, each letter stands for a more commonly known symbol. That >> symbol is " $ ". > >This from someone with a K11LT?? >;) Well, actually a K100LT ... that's 10 years old ... that has 85,000 miles on it. That's pretty much where my price range lies! Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 21:00:05 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA06080 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA19832; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:59:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369985D1.8CD@mnsinc.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:02:09 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles CC: "D. Thompson" Subject: stolen VFR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "D. Thompson" > I'm sending this along from the VFR list just in case any of you see or > hear of this bike...the bike was stolen from Canada: --> snip <-- > Danny > '96 VFR > "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." > 1 Samuel 2:30 I saw this too. Thanks for taking the time to post this. I hate thievery. Nice OT sig too. JK From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 22:42:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07546 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27030 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21044 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (207-172-182-237.s237.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.237]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 327 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:42:03 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990110223853.04873190@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:41:59 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Good Lord - The Tax Man Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I just received my end of 1998 personal property tax on my 1991 Nighthawk. $217.09 for 5 months! That makes it $521 a year for an eight year old bike worth under $3000! Six tax payments and I could buy another one just like it..... Besides calling the Morons In Charge (r), any other tips? _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 10 22:45:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07641 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27068 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21117 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from iguana (207-172-182-237.s237.tnt19.brd.erols.com [207.172.182.237]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 363 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:45:19 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990110224223.04873f00@www.troutman.org> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:44:27 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... _____________________________________ Mike Troutman mike@XXXXXX http://www.troutman.org '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 06:42:34 1999 Return-Path: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out.vma.verio.net (smtp-out.vma.verio.net [168.143.190.239]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA15672 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:33 -0500 (EST) From: louis@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-gw.vma.verio.net ([168.143.0.18]) by smtp-out.vma.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zzfja-0003YO-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:14 -0500 Received: from shell.clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.8]) by smtp-gw.vma.verio.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA20710; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from louis@localhost) by shell.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25553; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901111142.GAA25553@shell.clark.net> Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) To: mike@XXXXXX (Mike Troutman" ) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:42:20 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990110224223.04873f00@www.troutman.org> from "Mike Troutman" " at Jan 10, 99 10:44:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according > to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get > the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that > new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. Louis From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 07:06:40 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16047 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:06:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust025.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.25]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA25570; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:09:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990111120105.006aac08@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:01:05 -0500 To: Ray , DCCycles List From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: BIKE WEEK 99 Horkster and I are going. Current plan is to leave Thursday after work (4 March) take an easy trip down to attend the Iron Butt Assoc. Pizza party on Friday afternoon, visit some Kawasaki stuff on Saturday, and be home early enough to get some sleep before working Monday morning. Leon. At 07:52 AM 1/10/99 -0800, Ray wrote: >Is anyone going to Bike Week this year? >I'll be going on the last Wed of Feb to get to the Deland practice and >races, and staying at least until the following Wed morning. >Large truck with enclosed trailer with room for one or two passengers >and bikes and gear, split driving and gas. >Ray > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 07:37:31 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA16529 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust025.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.25]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA26189; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:40:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990111123207.006c0b60@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:32:07 -0500 To: louis@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX (Mike Troutman" ) From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) They reduced my taxes a couple of times. It seems that if the model isn't something they recognize, make a random stab at it. My Honda CX650 got assessed using a car book. At 06:42 AM 1/11/99 -0500, louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according >> to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get >> the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that >> new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... > >If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue >book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in >to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. >But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. > >Louis > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:09:43 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16992 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:09:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'Leon Begeman'" , louis@XXXXXX, mike@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:09:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) I feel so sorry for you guys. The county has consistently assessed the value of my Magna at $40. It really sux paying a tax of less then $2. Its less then $20 for the tax and decal fee. Glenn > They reduced my taxes a couple of times. It seems that if the model isn't > something they recognize, make a random stab at it. My Honda CX650 got > assessed using a car book. > > > > At 06:42 AM 1/11/99 -0500, louis@XXXXXX wrote: > > > >> Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 > according > >> to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me > get > >> the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get > that > >> new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... > > > >If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue > >book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in > >to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. > >But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. > > > >Louis > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:21:06 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17219 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03183 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA28871 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAB82F0027C; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:56 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111082023.00fca010@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:28:15 -0500 To: "Mike Troutman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990110223853.04873190@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There's a mistake somewhere, seriously. VA personal property tax varies by city and county, but is usually about 5%. Your tax bill should be about $150/year. Perhaps they think your Honda is a car? Check the motorcycle value in the NADA book (at your local bank, or http://www.nadaguides.com/ValuesHome.html). Also, be sure you know exactly what period the tax is for (calendar years, fiscal years, and taxable years often don't match up). Keep copies of everything, be firm, friendly and polite on the phone, get the name of every person you talk to and what they say they'll do, follow up everything with a letter (and a Certificate of Mailing as a receipt), and let us know how it goes. Chris Norloff P.S. I just saw you other message and they MUST think your Honda is a car. The $11,400 valuation works out to $570/year tax at 5%/year, so that much dovetails. At 10:41 PM 1/10/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: >I just received my end of 1998 personal property tax on my 1991 Nighthawk. >$217.09 for 5 months! That makes it $521 a year for an eight year old bike >worth under $3000! Six tax payments and I could buy another one just like >it..... > >Besides calling the Morons In Charge (r), any other tips? > >_____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:21:08 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17222 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03186 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28874 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA18878 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AAB72F0027C; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:20:55 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111081604.00fdb930@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:16:51 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Route for SuperBowl Sunday In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990109023404.006b0ed4@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sounds good; I'll probably join you ... as long as there's plenty of sand. :-) Chris Norloff At 09:34 PM 1/8/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >Chris Norloff says you know you're a winter rider when sand in the corner is >good because it's less slippery than ice. > >Interactive Motorcycle has an article that explains why riding only on >pavement limts one's motorcycling experience and can be dangerours. >http://www.activebike.com/index/analysis/mindgame/mindgame.html > >Come out and ride on some dirt roads on SuperBowl Sunday. The route starts >out easy, has a couple of technical spots, but no one should feel this ride >is too tough. This is not a dual sport ride, this isn't a race, it isn't >about leaving the WSDY gang in the dust. This is about practicing one's >riding technique under conditions that many riders don't. It's only a 34 >mile route! If you average 10 miles per hour it'll take 3 1/2 hours to >finish. Since 13 miles of the route is paved, and 4 miles can be avoided. >I'm pretty sure that everyone can finish earlier than that. This isn't >supposed to be intimidating. > >I suggest we leave from McDonald's at noon. That way we'll be back in time >to go home and get stuff to bring to Jeannette's party. > >Start at McDonald's on Rt28 (new one with Play Place 1/2 mile south of 28/29 >intersection.) > >>From Anita's Burger King on Rt 7: take 28 south, it's on the right just >south of I-66 and Rt 29. > >>From Manassas: take 28 north, it's on the left across from Old Centerville >Road. > >>From I66: take Exit 53, go south on 28, it's about 3/4 miles on the right. > >The Route: >Odometer reading, Turn, On Road, and go this far, on a road that is >0, Left, North on 28, 1.1 miles, Paved >1.1, Left, West on Braddock Road (1st light north of I66), 11.7 miles, >Mostly unpaved - good condition few curves >12.8, Left, New Rd, 1.0 miles, Paved >13.8, Left, Mountain Rd, 3.7 miles, Paved >17.5, right, Take Ridge Rd up (then left) to the top of Bull Run Mountain, 2 >miles, Mostly unpaved - tight switchbacks >19.5, Turn Around, Go back down the mountain on Ridge Road, 2 miles, Same >road coming back down >21.5, right, Mountain Rd, 3 miles, Paved >24.5, right, Waterfall Rd, 1.2 miles, Paved >25.7, Right, Bull Run Mountain Road, 4.1 miles, Unpaved very rough >29.8, Right, Champe Ford Rd, 3.4 miles, Mostly unpaved - good condition >33.2, Right, Rt 50, 0.8 miles, Paved >34, End, Aldie, End of ride. > > >Leon Begeman >Ninja 250 - 4th '98 Capitol 1000 >Tomos Targa LX - World's Toughest Moped > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:24:08 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17248 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:24:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03525 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:25:46 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC87D@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:25:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From the peanut gallery: I feel sorry for you guys too! What's a personal property tax??? :) he he he Sorry, couldn't resist. Collin On Monday, January 11, 1999 8:18 AM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: > I feel so sorry for you guys. The county has consistently assessed the > value of my Magna at $40. It really sux paying a tax of less then $2. Its > less then $20 for the tax and decal fee. > > Glenn From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 08:49:16 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17646 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA15751 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:47:37 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:47:37 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:49:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I feel sorry for you guys too! What's a personal property tax??? :) he he >he Sorry, couldn't resist. >Collin Some day, sonny, you'll be out from behind the Soldier's and Sailor's Relief Act and join the rest of us... Michael (spent 20 years there, myself) J. Alternate Signature: Michael (Taxes suck!) J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 09:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18411 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id ALZBa04796; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:36:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19e0d4ea.369a0c62@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:36:18 EST To: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: BIKE WEEK 99 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 I'll be leaving for Bike Week on March 4th and returning the 8th. Seeing my bike in the office parking lot inspired my (former) boss to get himself one. He's heading off to Daytona, and he decided to take me with him - no argument here. - matt From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 09:39:48 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18433 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:39:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990111144120.4312.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send203.yahoomail.com; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:41:20 PST Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:41:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think Personal Property Tax is brought to you by those great folks who invented State Income Tax. We thought ahead, we're the only state in the country where income tax is forbidden by the constitution. Ray "Florida tag NAT1VE" Lucas (also FL tags DUCAT1 and TR1UMPH for all you tag watchers) ---"Fagan, Collin LT" wrote: > > From the peanut gallery: > > I feel sorry for you guys too! What's a personal property tax??? :) he he > he Sorry, couldn't resist. > Collin > > On Monday, January 11, 1999 8:18 AM, Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN > [SMTP:Dysart@XXXXXX] wrote: > > I feel so sorry for you guys. The county has consistently assessed the > > value of my Magna at $40. It really sux paying a tax of less then $2. > Its > > less then $20 for the tax and decal fee. > > > > Glenn > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:21:02 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19188 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA06701 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:19:35 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990111152021.LXDS1406@toddnt> for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:20:21 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: FW: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:20:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be3d75$dbb7db00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal > > looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at > http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html > Talk about scrapping pegs.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:38:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19443 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04965 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03169 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA09875; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:35:03 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990111153743.MAOI1406@toddnt>; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:37:43 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Mike Troutman" , Subject: RE: Good Lord - The Tax Man Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:37:24 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be3d78$48de9870$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <4.1.19990110223853.04873190@www.troutman.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Something is way wrong dude. I only pay around $60 (with the FFax sticker) for my 1992 Nighthawk. T > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Troutman [mailto:mike@XXXXXX] > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 1999 10:42 PM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Good Lord - The Tax Man > > > I just received my end of 1998 personal property tax on my 1991 Nighthawk. > $217.09 for 5 months! That makes it $521 a year for an eight > year old bike > worth under $3000! Six tax payments and I could buy another one just like > it..... > > Besides calling the Morons In Charge (r), any other tips? > > _____________________________________ > Mike Troutman > mike@XXXXXX > http://www.troutman.org > > '91 Honda Nighthawk 750 > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:45:29 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19597 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA05017 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA03376 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:23 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 0YDDa25631 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:44:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:44:42 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: old town Alexandria Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 On some days of the week the bikers meet in Old Towne just to BS about bikes. Unfortunately its mostly Harleys and such for us sportbikers. Jack PS- its usually thursday nights From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:46:00 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19607 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id ACA64EC0264; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:53:14 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. It was made of heavy black cordura cloth. The tag said "Potomac Canvas Company", Woodbridge, VA. I got their phone no. from the book (703-670-2265) and talked with "Dave" this morning. They make two classes of lap blankets for the police Harley FLHTP models with crash bars (the crash bars are required to keep the lap blanket away from the hot engine). The lap blankets (they call them lap robes) will fit any FLH with crash bars. They sell the lap blankets to about 8 local police depts and have shipped as far as Breezewood, PA. The lap blankets are not meant for sustained high-speed riding, because to thoroughly strap them down to eliminate flapping would trap the rider with the bike in a wreck. He said that occasional highway speed riding would not be a problem. There have been problems with engine overheating in parades, due to lack of airflow. These problems were worse with the fuel-injected (FI) Harleys because the FI would continue to lean out the mixture as the engine got hot, until the engine seized. Harley added a fan to the left side of the engine (opposite the intake on the right). In addition, Dave said Harley increased the cooling fins by 50%. Metro style ($425) Attaches with straps and buckles. Single layer that covers the riders lap and legs. Park Police style ($525) Attaches with 4 in. wide velcro. Double layer that the rider puts his legs into (inner layer has soft liner and contacts the bike, riders legs go between the inner and outer layers). Includes crash guard covers for some weather protection before the lap blanket is installed. New style (no price) "Light years" ahead of the previous models, according to the police depts. who have tried them. Custom ($1,000) - they'll make one for your bike. The last one took two and a half days to design, so you're paying for their design time. With a limited market, it's unlikely they could amortize the price. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:47:40 1999 Return-Path: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19619 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 04EE5369A1AF500F-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 04EE5369A1AF500F Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <04EE5369A1AF500F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 11 Jan 1999 10:38:29 -0500 From: "Burger, Donald " To: DC Cycles Subject: 1998 Honda F3's for dirt cheap Message-Id: <04EE5369A1AF500F*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> If any one is interested in going to Michigan and getting a good deal on a brand new 98 F3, these guys actually have 3 of them in stock at the prices below. Yes, I called them and it is true. Don B >Just saw 2 '98 F3's at a small dealer in Michigan for $4995.00 ea >The dealer is Birch Run Motorsports and the number is 1-517-624-2160. I just >called them and they have 2 F3's left. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 10:59:22 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19818 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 351; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:58:42 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111105752.01b64070@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:58:17 -0500 To: louis@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Good Lord - The Tax Man (2) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX (DC-Cycles List) In-Reply-To: <199901111142.GAA25553@shell.clark.net> References: <4.1.19990110224223.04873f00@www.troutman.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The NADA is around $2500. I'm on hold with FFX right now..... At 06:42 AM 1/11/99 , louis@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Forgot to mention that the bike has an assessed value of $11,400 according >> to Fairfax County. Think if I total it this weekend, they can help me get >> the insurance company to reimburse me the full amount? Might just get that >> new bike _and_ vacation this summer..... > >If you feel the assessed value is wrong (might want to check the blue >book, or other sources that lists values of motorcycles) you can go in >to dispute it. I've heard of cases where they did lower the value. >But you need something (or a few things) to back up your claim. > >Louis ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:07:20 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20024 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:07:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05319 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:07:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04188 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 360 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:06:42 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111110530.019a2f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:06:39 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: $19,000 or $1,900? Tax Solution Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When they entered the purchase of my bike they entered a cost of $19,000 instead of $1,900. New tax - $21.71 :-) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:12:19 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20138 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:12:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A2DE7DC04B2; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:12:14 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111110114.00fc2540@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:01:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: FW: curves?? In-Reply-To: <000801be3d75$dbb7db00$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:20 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote: >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... Whew! That's a keeper. So, when do we leave? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:21:39 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20315 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05537 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04622 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 100; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:19:42 -0500 Message-ID: <369A2506.3D0F8511@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:21:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: $19,000 or $1,900? Tax Solution References: <4.1.19990111110530.019a2f10@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe they thought you has "customized" it with a few chrome add-ons and were trying to re-sell it at that price - oops sorry, wrong brand....nevermind :) Glad you got it straightened out. ;) Dale (the Horkster) Mike Troutman wrote: > > When they entered the purchase of my bike they entered a cost of $19,000 > instead of $1,900. New tax - $21.71 :-) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 11:23:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20334 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 322 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:22:05 -0500 Message-ID: <369A2595.26AF0A8B@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:23:49 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: curves?? References: <4.1.19990111110114.00fc2540@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With out luck, we'd get there only to find out that it was unpaved! Yikes! = 8^0 Leon would still like it, though. :) Dale Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 10:20 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote: > >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at > >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html > >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... > > Whew! That's a keeper. > > So, when do we leave? > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 12:45:52 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21708 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id JAA23677 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:44:03 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:44:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: FW: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:45:32 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >With out luck, we'd get there only to find out that it >was unpaved! Yikes! = 8^0 Try Mount Washington in New Hampshire - a lot of the road is unpaved, though. I have a shot of an interesting road that I shot in the Alps - it winds down a cut in the mountainside and makes its turns in tunnels. If anyone wants to see a JPG - let me know and I will e-mail it to you (about 87K) - I don't want to post it to the group (bandwidth issues) unless the majority want to look at it. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 12:52:20 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21819 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5ZNa015290; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7e808a1f.369a3a2e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:51:42 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Lost Job - Seeking Clients! (NON MOTO) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm just going to throw this out there on the off chance .... My company SUDDENLY closed its doors on Dec 30 - for good. Putting me instantly out of work. I''ve been a graphic designer for the last six years or so and was Art Director at my last job. Decided to start my own business so I'm looking for clients who need print work. (I'm not yet a web designer - but I'll get there...) Please, if you know anyone looking for a design firm, please let me know so I can give them a call or a visit. (Let me know off-list) THANKS Marcy jinnsinn@XXXXXX Washington, DC From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 13:30:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22534 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:30:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A3282E90284; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:30:00 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990111132447.00fe5b20@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:30:42 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Seeking high-end Microsoft Programmer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, all. JIL Information Systems, Inc. (http://www.jil.com) the company I work for, is seeking one or two high end programmers for Microsoft software. Visual Basic, Microsoft Access, SQL Server, Active Server Pages, and Visual Interdev are examples. Emphasis will be on networking, adding to existing code, and developing new data-driven web applications with users all over the country. One job will be at our DC office in SW, near the Air & Space Museum, and one would be at the north end of Crystal City, VA. The Crystal City office might require a military security clearance, the DC job would not. Not sure of more details, like salary, but let me know of your interest and qualifications. thanks, Chris Norloff cnorloff@XXXXXX From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 13:40:43 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22699 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA26579 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:40:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199901111840.NAA26579@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:38:53 -0500 Subject: Last Call - NYC Bus Trip Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Just a few short days until the trip (Saturday 1/16)... I have a couple extra tickets if anyone is interested! Drop me a line for more info! Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 13:48:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22860 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07671 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10873 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:46 -0500 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF2@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Woodward, Jennifer" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:48:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 14:26:05 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23496 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:25:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: DC-Cycles Subject: RE: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:25:00 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) That is impressive but don't have an accident as it will most likely be your last accident. Glenn > > > > looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at > > http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html > > Talk about scrapping pegs.... > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 15:27:06 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24505 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYP64MZK; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:26:06 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Message-ID: <19990111.140838.4511.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1,3,5,7-8,10-11,15-17 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:26:06 EST On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:53:14 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask >about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. It was made of heavy >black cordura cloth. The tag said "Potomac Canvas Company", Woodbridge, VA. > >I got their phone no. from the book (703-670-2265) and talked with "Dave" this >morning. WOW! Everything I ever wanted to know about the blankets, but was afraid to ask! At those prices, I'm surprised they didn't charge you for the interview! Then again, if the blankets WORK, the price is probably reasonable... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 15:51:49 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24988 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:48:22 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" , Cc: Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:53:52 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01be3da4$7f27d3c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <19990111.140838.4511.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal Let's not forget that these folks are used to dealing with not only Harley riders, but Gov't Harley riders. Two groups not known for seeking out a bargain. Put 'em together, and I'd call those blankets cheap. While I haven't seen 'em up close, I'd have to say they're a serious rip-off. $1000 for 2.5 days work from a seamstress? Give me a break. Do you have any idea how man man-hours of work you could get in an NYC sweatshop for $1000?? It's a blanket. Not rocket science. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > WOW! Everything I ever wanted to know about the blankets, but was afraid > to ask! At those prices, I'm surprised they didn't charge you for the > interview! Then again, if the blankets WORK, the price is probably > reasonable... > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:04:09 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25142 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 347; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:03:24 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111160220.0197f690@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:03:21 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Seeking high-end Microsoft Programmer In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990111132447.00fe5b20@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Uh oh. You used the words "High End" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence. ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:09:27 1999 Return-Path: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25247 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:29 -0500 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Woodward, Jennifer" To: "'DCC'" Subject: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:09:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. -Jennifer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:23:59 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25510 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYQABF9J; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:16 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Calling Chris Weaver Message-ID: <19990111.150457.4511.4.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28-33,35-37 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:16 EST Sorry to spam everyone else, but I'm trying to resond to Chris Weaver's questions from earlier today. Chris, trying to reply to you, I received the following message: ----------------------------------------begin message I received Delivery Failure Report Your Re: Valley Cycle document: was not Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US delivered to : because: User Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US not listed in public Name & Address Book Tampa-TSS-Gate6, Tampa-TSS-Gate6, USDomino071/Price Waterhouse, INTLNAMMAIL01/US/INTL, INTLNAMSMTP10/US/INTL -------------------------------------------end message I received Please give me an email address where I can reach you and I can answer your questions. Thanks. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:26:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25562 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 0zzorA-0002yg-00; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:40 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:24:31 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFC18@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Woodward, Jennifer'" , "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:22:45 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Hi Jennifer! Nice to have another woman on the list. I started riding last August and my first bike was an '85 VF500 Interceptor. I loved it! Welcome to the list! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Woodward, Jennifer [SMTP:JWOODWARD@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 4:09 PM > To: 'DCC' > Subject: Hello > > Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me > here, as > I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to > purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months > and > start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > > -Jennifer From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:27:27 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25628 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 356; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:48 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990111162542.019690d0@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:26:47 -0500 To: "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, you will find it to be a very supportive bunch. I will leave the geezer reference to the imagination. At 04:09 PM 1/11/99 , Woodward, Jennifer wrote: >Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as >I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to >purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and >start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > >-Jennifer ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org '91 Nighthawk 750 (Cherry Red) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:39:21 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25834 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA12190; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:36:00 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990111213841.OKQT1406@toddnt>; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:38:41 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:38:18 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01be3daa$b404f130$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Hmmmm, imf.org. Who could it be that pointed an obvious innocent in the direction of DC-Cycles evil...hmmm. Welcome Jennifer. If you've got something to contribute, please do so or you risk lurkerdom, an even scarier place than the internet! imf, imf, who is that imf!? Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Woodward, Jennifer [mailto:JWOODWARD@XXXXXX] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 1999 4:09 PM > To: 'DCC' > Subject: Hello > > > Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed > me here, as > I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to > purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and > start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > > -Jennifer > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 16:46:39 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26034 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:46:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:46:24 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:46:13 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P Running and hiding.. *grin* Brian > -----Original Message----- > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, > you will find it > to be a very supportive bunch. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:05:31 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26391 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 307; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:03:38 -0500 Message-ID: <369A75A0.2CD40EF@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:05:20 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: Mike Troutman , "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <4.1.19990111162542.019690d0@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Troutman wrote: > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, you will > find it to be a very supportive bunch. Hey Todd! Did you hear this? MT is talking smack about you on the list! By the way, I don't think you are cantankerous (most of the time!) (Heh!) ;) Gotta enjoy the last remaining days of my youthful 20's while I can, don't you know? :) And to the newbie, Jennifer, Oh yeah, almost forgot, welcome to the list! You'll find a sense of humor goes a long way around here. :) Regards, Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:10:31 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26416 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 364; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:08:29 -0500 Message-ID: <369A76C4.B32DFA64@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:12 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until I hit 30. Don't rush me. I've got 19 days left! Dale (the Horkster, 29 and holding.... :-) McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of > how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old > farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:10:37 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26422 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-56.s56.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.56]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA05773 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:09:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369A790D.10E21646@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:19:57 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alright now..I didn't think 26 was exactly over the hill.... I was the one rumbling about getting teh wheel off a shaftie :) Get rid of that lawn mower powered race bike of yours and find a big bore bike and come play in the real race classes with us "old" men :) he he he Collin McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of > how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old > farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P > > Running and hiding.. *grin* > > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, > > you will find it > > to be a very supportive bunch. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:19:42 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26597 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-112-56.s56.tnt4.ann.erols.com [207.172.112.56]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12042; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:19:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369A7B8B.3658F776@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:30:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <001e01be3daa$b404f130$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From my "never gets deleted" trash folder, the only imf.org that pops up other than Jennifer, is Robert Tobias. I show 4 posts from him back in September regarding someones parking ticket :) Collin (showing how bad a packrat he is!!) Todd Peer wrote: > > Hmmmm, imf.org. Who could it be that pointed an obvious innocent in the > direction of DC-Cycles evil...hmmm. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:30:13 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26895 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:30:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112230.RAA26895@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:30:07 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:30:03 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) MOPED.. not a lawnmower... right Jack? > -----Original Message----- > Get rid of that lawn mower powered race bike of yours and find a big > bore bike and come play in the real race classes with us > "old" men :) he > he he From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:57:11 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27297 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25803; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112256.RAA25803@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX (McCoy, Brian NAB02) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:56:54 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> from "McCoy, Brian NAB02" at Jan 11, 99 01:46:13 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Few?? I thought most of you were.. *grumbling something about discutions of > how to get a wheel off a shaftie, and BMWs and heated clothing.. blah - old > farts who can't or won't 'rough' it like us young studs*.. :P > > > Running and hiding.. *grin* > Oh... So finally I knonw who is thos person riding without permit (beeing way to young to be legally allowed to ride). Well, brian, have you drink your milk today ? :-) > Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, > > you will find it > > to be a very supportive bunch. > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 17:58:04 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27318 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:58:01 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25813; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:57:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112257.RAA25813@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Hello To: gixer@XXXXXX (Collin T. Fagan) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:57:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <369A7B8B.3658F776@geocities.com> from "Collin T. Fagan" at Jan 11, 99 05:30:35 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > >From my "never gets deleted" trash folder, the only imf.org that pops up > other than Jennifer, is Robert Tobias. > I show 4 posts from him back in September regarding someones parking > ticket :) > > Collin > (showing how bad a packrat he is!!) > > > Todd Peer wrote: > > > > Hmmmm, imf.org. Who could it be that pointed an obvious innocent in the > > direction of DC-Cycles evil...hmmm. > Registrant: International Monetary Fund (IMF-DOM) 700 19th Street, NW Washington, DC 20431 Domain Name: IMF.ORG Administrative Contact: Handelman, Michael (MH8027) mhandelman@XXXXXX 202-623-7132 (FAX) 202-623-5874 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: IMF Unix System Administration (IUS2-ORG) UnixAdmin@XXXXXX (202) 623-4119 Billing Contact: Wheelon, Susan (SW1569) swheelon@XXXXXX (202) 623-4379 (FAX) (202) 623-7293 Record last updated on 03-Mar-98. Record created on 13-Oct-93. Database last updated on 11-Jan-99 04:33:26 EST. Domain servers in listed order: IMFAIX4S.IMF.ORG 134.113.2.11 IMFAIX5S.IMF.ORG 134.113.4.11 -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:00:51 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail01.usace.army.mil (mcxmail01.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.99]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27398 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:00:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901112300.SAA27398@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail01.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:00:43 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: winter ramblings.. Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:00:32 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) what.. what.. huh.. huh.. I've been legal for at LEAST 1/3rd of my riding career..:) I think I got my license back in last (1997) May or so.. after nearly 15,000 miles of on-bike time.. and several tickets.. opps.. :) Guess wisdom comes with age.. (and senility too I hear).. yummy.. milk.. almost hit a gallon of it in the middle of the beltway this morning.. wonder if it was frozen.... > Oh... So finally I knonw who is thos person riding without permit > (beeing way to young to be legally allowed to ride). > > Well, brian, have you drink your milk today ? > > :-) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:30:29 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27949 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYQHMGJK; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:30:04 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hello Message-ID: <19990111.162253.4511.5.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> <369A76C4.B32DFA64@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-7,12-16 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:30:04 EST On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:10:12 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until >I hit 30. Don't rush me. I've got 19 days left! > >Dale (the Horkster, 29 and holding.... :-) Oh, no. Age has nothing to do with it. You don't achieve "old fart" status until the day you decide that a ride on a motorcycle isn't worth the effort of hiking a leg over it. We'll all be okay for years to come. Take it easy, Dale. Sit down. Drop your dentures is some Polident and take a Centrum Silver with a nice glass of delicious Metamucil... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ps. Hello to the newly licensed rider. Welcome to the list! ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:33:44 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27961 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:33:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-53-201.s201.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA01436 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <007301be3dba$bb76f7a0$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Welcome to the list. It's nice to have another member of the female persuasion here. If you have any questions, just ask away. After you sift through all the bull, there will probably be a good answer ;-) LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Woodward, Jennifer said: Greetings to all. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 18:46:04 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28204 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-53-201.s201.tnt4.brd.erols.com [207.172.53.201]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10910 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:46:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:45:24 -0500 Message-ID: <007401be3dbc$755e1a80$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Being handy with a sewing machine, I would offer my services to anyone who would want some sort of lap blanket made. If we can figure out a design, we can work something out, and I can guarantee it will cost less than $1000. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Chris Norloff said: Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 19:35:32 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29110 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:35:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust031.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.31]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15145; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:36:54 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112002858.006cb828@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:28:58 -0500 To: Chris Norloff , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH At 10:53 AM 1/11/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: > The lap blankets are not meant for sustained >high-speed riding, because to thoroughly strap them down to eliminate >flapping would trap the rider with the bike in a wreck. He said that >occasional highway speed riding would not be a problem. > I guess that explains why the one I built last winter flapped itself apart after only one trip to St. Louis. It was warm while it lasted though. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 19:42:20 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29189 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust031.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.31]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA15297; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:43:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112003543.006c1e78@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:35:43 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: FW: curves?? Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track racing just as exciting as road racing? I rather like roads that aren't paved, because the same exciting things happen at lower speeds. Leon. At 11:23 AM 1/11/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >With out luck, we'd get there only to find out that it >was unpaved! Yikes! = 8^0 > >Leon would still like it, though. :) > >Dale > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> At 10:20 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote: >> >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at >> >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html >> >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... >> >> Whew! That's a keeper. >> >> So, when do we leave? >> >> Chris Norloff > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 20:02:49 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA29562 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8MUWa19752; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:59:57 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:59:57 EST To: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/11/99 4:17:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, JWOODWARD@XXXXXX writes: << Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. -Jennifer >> GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE NUTS!!! ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 7FWYa19752; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:08:01 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:08:01 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/11/99 5:22:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, Horkster@XXXXXX writes: << Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until I hit 30. Don't rush me. I've got 19 days left! Dale (the Horkster, 29 and holding.... :-) >> Just start doing like my mother. She doesn't celebrate birthdays anymore, she celebrates anniversaries. She celebrated the 21st anniversary of her 29th birthday this year. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 20:33:52 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00225 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:33:50 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SVPRa27768 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:19:46 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <382f5690.369aa332@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:19:46 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 What/Where/Who is imf.org? In a message dated 1/11/99 5:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, gixer@XXXXXX writes: > > From my "never gets deleted" trash folder, the only imf.org that pops up > other than Jennifer, is Robert Tobias. > I show 4 posts from him back in September regarding someones parking > ticket :) > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 20:58:50 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00704 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA29192; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:58:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <009501be3dcf$2fcde5a0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "Todd Peer" , "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:59:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Not in this lifetime... I think I'd be pukin' quite nicely somewhere at about the halfway mark! -Tom -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:32 AM Subject: FW: curves?? > > > >> >> looking for the ultimate curvey road???????? take a peek at >> http://members.tripod.com/~Lovik/invitasjonMCtreff.html >> Talk about scrapping pegs.... > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 21:22:35 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA01116 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-38.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.38]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA11607; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:23:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901120223.VAA11607@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:05:13 -0500 To: "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome! Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer professional? Ever own a handgun? Just a few of the popular topics around here, though we do get around to a few motorcycle discussions, too, once in awhile. :) Cheers, MET At 04:09 PM 1/11/99 , Woodward, Jennifer wrote: >Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as >I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to >purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and >start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. >=20 > >-Jennifer > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 11 23:24:52 1999 Return-Path: mobacc@XXXXXX Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03066 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-5.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.46]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA31428 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:24:45 -0500 Message-ID: <035701be3de3$1cee4380$4110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: "Dc Cycles" Subject: For Cruiser envy (closet and real) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:22:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Cruisers winking at you? Seems to be nitty gritty time -- the ultimate combination being a trip to the NYC Javits show this weekend accompanied by the latest issue of MC Cruiser with its (annual) "72 bikes! Complete 1999 Cruiser Buyer Guide". Nice paragraph rundowns on each of the new models and a spec/performance chart. Very comprehensive. Nothing like having the comparo facts under thumb while the floor fellow is touting the hottest thing since Evil's rocket bike. Bill S. / DC 99 VN750 15 model years and still spunky Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:27:16 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10414 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA28934; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112112052.00699ef0@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:20:52 -0500 To: "Linda Tanner" , "DC-CYCLES" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH At 06:45 PM 1/11/99 -0500, Linda Tanner wrote: >Being handy with a sewing machine, I would offer my services to anyone who >would want some sort of lap blanket made. If we can figure out a design, we >can work something out, and I can guarantee it will cost less than $1000. Ok. Count me in. I want the 3rd one. I built one last year, it wasn't heavy enough. Can you sew through 4 layers of canvas and a half inch of batting? How does one put a 1/2"x1/8" strip of aluminum strap into the seams? How can a pair of 2ft aluminum straps be removed so it can be washed? If it doesn't go underneath the bike, then air gets in from the bottom, if it does go under the bike, then you can't put your feet down to stop, I opted for warm, I had to plan ahead to stop. I'll pay $500 for one that will last about 10,000 miles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:42:28 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10652 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Zbig, you are definitely a propeller head! Welcome to the list Jennifer. Glenn > Registrant: > International Monetary Fund (IMF-DOM) > 700 19th Street, NW > Washington, DC 20431 > > Domain Name: IMF.ORG > > Administrative Contact: > Handelman, Michael (MH8027) mhandelman@XXXXXX > 202-623-7132 (FAX) 202-623-5874 > Technical Contact, Zone Contact: > IMF Unix System Administration (IUS2-ORG) UnixAdmin@XXXXXX > (202) 623-4119 > Billing Contact: > Wheelon, Susan (SW1569) swheelon@XXXXXX > (202) 623-4379 (FAX) (202) 623-7293 > > Record last updated on 03-Mar-98. > Record created on 13-Oct-93. > Database last updated on 11-Jan-99 04:33:26 EST. > > Domain servers in listed order: > > IMFAIX4S.IMF.ORG 134.113.2.11 > IMFAIX5S.IMF.ORG 134.113.4.11 > > > > > -- > ******************************************************************** > Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX > Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:44:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10680 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA22808 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA02416 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:40:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust005.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.5]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA29197; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:42:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990112113451.006b8b44@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:34:51 -0500 To: "George Howell" , "DC Cycles Mailing List" From: Leon Begeman Subject: RE: FW: curves?? Didn't Chris mention that being the reason we were going to Jeannette's later in the evening? Aren't we all going to the board track SuperBowl party? Leon. At 11:41 PM 1/11/99 -0500, George Howell wrote: >For real excitement, let's bring back board track racing! Leon wrote: >> Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track >> racing just as exciting as road racing? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 06:45:37 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA10752 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:45:22 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 06:45:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Speaking of football maybe Jeannette should fill Jennifer in on the latest DC Cycles party? Glenn > Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer > professional? Ever own a handgun? > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 07:09:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11102 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23066 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA03309 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:36:16 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Leon Begeman" Subject: RE: FW: curves?? Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <006201be3de5$df513980$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990112003543.006c1e78@illuminet.net> Importance: Normal For real excitement, let's bring back board track racing! ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track > racing just as exciting as road racing? I rather like roads that aren't > paved, because the same exciting things happen at lower speeds. > > Leon. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 07:11:37 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11115 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:11:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990112121703.17229.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.121.100.100] by send204.yahoomail.com; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:17:03 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Hello To: "Mark E. Truelove" , "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ---"Mark E. Truelove" wrote: > > > Welcome! > > Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer > professional? Ever own a handgun? > And Ray says: Handguns and football? Scary. I'm for whatever team Mark is for! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 07:25:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11350 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA23183 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA03656 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:24:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990112122826.8072.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.121.100.100] by send206.yahoomail.com; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:28:26 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:28:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: RE: FW: curves?? To: George Howell , DC Cycles Mailing List , Leon Begeman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While we're moving racing, let's move the Daytona 200 back to the beach/A1A route. Ray "forward into the past" Lucas ---George Howell wrote: > > For real excitement, let's bring back board track racing! > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > > > > Nice road, why is everyone so concerned about pavement? Isn't flat track > > racing just as exciting as road racing? I rather like roads that aren't > > paved, because the same exciting things happen at lower speeds. > > > > Leon. > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12062 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E51D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:01 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112074948.018df4b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:50:19 -0500 To: "'DCC'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF5@mlnt1s.imf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" JENNIFER! Chris Norloff At 04:09 PM 1/11/99 , Woodward, Jennifer wrote: >Greetings to all. I just subscribed today. My co-worker pointed me here, as >I've just taken the MSF and gotten my license, and will be looking to >purchace a nice used little (500-750cc) cruiser in the next few months and >start riding. He said this was a great list to be on. So hello. > > >-Jennifer From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:05 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12060 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E21D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:10:58 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:47:42 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990111.140838.4511.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask >>about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. It was made of >heavy black cordura cloth. The tag said "Potomac Canvas Company", >Woodbridge, VA. (703-670-2265) > > WOW! Everything I ever wanted to know about the blankets, but was afraid >to ask! At those prices, I'm surprised they didn't charge you for the >interview! Then again, if the blankets WORK, the price is probably >reasonable... >JohnDavid@Bikes R Us For the police officers, I bet the lap blankets are indispensable. They can't wear much warm clothing, I guess, especially on their legs (so they can run) and since they can be outside all day they could really get chilled. For commuters like myself, I'm not sure I'd pay $4-500 for a lap blanket. Now with my bike, it would probably take less of a lap blanket to do the job since I already have a full fairing. A lap blanket that added 10 inches to the sides of the fairing, came up and over the gas tank and back on my lap would probably be enough (especially with that hot BMW K engine!). Might be interesting to see what Potomac Canvas would charge for my bike. I'm sure there are other lap blanket manufacturers worldwide, especially in Northern Europe (and Sweden's Crystal New Year's rally). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:08 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12065 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E61D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112075236.018bdb40@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:53:13 -0500 To: "Linda Tanner" , "DC-CYCLES" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH In-Reply-To: <007401be3dbc$755e1a80$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" That's a real possiblity! Does your sewing maching handle the heavy pack-cloth stuff (like cloth the weight of an Aerostich)? Chris Norloff At 06:45 PM 1/11/99 , Linda Tanner wrote: >Being handy with a sewing machine, I would offer my services to anyone who >would want some sort of lap blanket made. If we can figure out a design, we >can work something out, and I can guarantee it will cost less than $1000. > >LindaT. >95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ > >Chris Norloff said: > > >Last week I stopped to talk with an Arlington County motor officer to ask >about the lap blanket / lap robe on his motorcycle. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:22 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12069 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E41D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:00 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112074848.018dce10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:49:20 -0500 To: "Mike Troutman" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Seeking high-end Microsoft Programmer In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990111160220.0197f690@mail.wheatintl.com> References: <4.1.19990111132447.00fe5b20@mail.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oops ... I should have said "experienced and highly-qualified". :-) Chris At 04:03 PM 1/11/99 , Mike Troutman wrote: >Uh oh. You used the words "High End" and "Microsoft" in the same sentence. > > > >___________________________________________ > Mike Troutman > http://www.troutman.org > >"Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, >but Democrats believe every day is April 15." > - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:11:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12071 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A9E71D03DC; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:11:03 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:59:28 -0500 To: Leon Begeman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990112002858.006cb828@illuminet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >At 10:53 AM 1/11/99 -0500, Chris Norloff wrote: >> The lap blankets are not meant for sustained >>high-speed riding, because to thoroughly strap them down to eliminate >>flapping would trap the rider with the bike in a wreck. He said that >>occasional highway speed riding would not be a problem. >> >At 07:28 PM 1/11/99 , Leon Begeman wrote: >I guess that explains why the one I built last winter flapped itself apart >after only one trip to St. Louis. It was warm while it lasted though. It seems there have to be a mix of flexibility for getting in and out of, and stiffness for staying put when riding. I'm wondering about using thin bungee material (aka "shock cord") and lightweight fiberglass poles (fishing poles or lightweight tent poles). The poles would hold the shape and push the cloth, the shock cord would pull the poles into place or be used inside a hem between two poles. So you could get in and out by pushing against the poles & shock cord. For high speed riding maybe you could pull the shock cord tighter and hook it. You could still get a foot down when needed, and the shock cord would just break to let you loose if you fell over. hmmm, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:16:13 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12265 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id FAA05141 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:14:23 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:14:23 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: Dale Horstman , "McCoy, Brian NAB02" Cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 05:15:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Hey waitaminute here! I'm not officially an old fart until I hit 30. The farts add velocity - reaction mass, and all that... ;-) Michael (certified old fart) J. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:41:50 1999 Return-Path: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX Received: from csnt1s.imf.org (csnt1s.imf.org [134.113.4.21]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12656 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by csnt1s.imf.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:41:51 -0500 Message-ID: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF8@mlnt1s.imf.org> From: "Woodward, Jennifer" To: "'DCC'" Subject: FW: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:41:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain > Welcome! > > Thank you for all the warm responses. Lets see if I can answer everyone's > questions. > > First of all, it very well may have been Rob who directed me to the list. > I don't care for sports one whit. Sorry. (Although I mountian/trail bike, > hike, camp, lift weights and am all around pretty active) I'm in the > computer industry doing technical support and network administration, and > am partway through my MCSE. In my spare time I read a lot, make stained > glass projects (lamps, mostly), and play computer games, and spend lots of > time with my boyfriend, who has a 1986 Shadow 1100 and is looking to gt a > Valkyerie in the spring. The bike I've been eyeing for the past six months > is a 1999 all-black Shadow ACE 750, for which I would have to get a new > seat and bars (both are too wide), but being a newbie I think I ought to > get a smaller, used cruiser, maybe a Shadow VLX 600 or a Virago 535 (or a > 700 if I can find one) so I can get used to riding around before I get the > dream bike.The research I've done on these two bikes say they are good > motorcycles, but they're underpowered and not very torquey, (I suspect a > beginner like me won't be able to tell the difference) and I'd rather get > something I'll outgrow in a year that start out with something that is too > big for me to handle. (I'm a small, slight thing at 5'1 and 103lb) > I prefer Jennifer and get grumpy when called anything else. > I also have a tendency to lurk. > > Ta, > -J > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 08:58:20 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12988 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:58:17 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA26393; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:58:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901121358.IAA26393@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: FW: Hello To: JWOODWARD@XXXXXX (Woodward, Jennifer) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:58:06 -0500 (EST) Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <5F7D2837A3DFD111894F00805F9F4C0201AA7CF8@mlnt1s.imf.org> from "Woodward, Jennifer" at Jan 12, 99 08:41:52 am Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Welcome! > > > > Thank you for all the warm responses. Lets see if I can answer everyone's > > questions. > > /.../ > > I also have a tendency to lurk. Yeah, right.... :-) > > > > Ta, > > -J > > > > > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:08:48 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13173 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:08:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06236 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:08:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199901121408.JAA06236@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:07:09 -0500 Subject: NYC Moto Show Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I was checking out the NYC motorcycle show website: http://www.motorcycleshows.com and found a list of exhibitors for the NYC show: http://www.motorcycleshows.com/ny_exhibitors.cfm This is going to be great! :-) Also, you can enter online to win an SV650 (or is it 600?) and a Toyota Tundra pickup truck. Anita From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:29:04 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13533 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:29:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA30291; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:27:18 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990112142729.QKUG5654@toddnt>; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:27:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "Mike Troutman" , "Woodward, Jennifer" , "'DCC'" Subject: RE: Hello Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:27:03 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3e37$9fc713a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <369A75A0.2CD40EF@tidalwave.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > > Mike Troutman wrote: > > > > Welcome to the group. Besides a few cantankerous geezers, you will > > find it to be a very supportive bunch. > > Hey Todd! > > Did you hear this? MT is talking smack about you on the list! > > By the way, I don't think you are cantankerous (most of the time!) > (Heh!) ;) > Heh! Indeed! I was going to qualify Mikes statements but decided to let it go to youthful indiscretion. Besides, without the wisdom of their elders, young'ns like Mike would be paying well over $1000 in PPT on bikes only worth around $2900. Someones gotta shepard the herd. ;) > Gotta enjoy the last remaining days of my youthful 20's while > I can, don't you know? :) He, he, he. Wait til you're actually 30. Then you start looking at 40+ year olds as the 'real' geezers. I'm sure it's the same when you touch 40. :) Todd (geezing in mind and body. Wanta go RIDE?) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:36:55 1999 Return-Path: true911@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13703 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mygamer (client196-127-25.bellatlantic.net [151.196.127.25]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA21929; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901121438.JAA21929@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: true911@XXXXXX (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:17:45 -0500 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" , "'DC Cycles'" From: "Mark E. Truelove" Subject: RE: Hello In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was hoping so. :) MET At 06:45 AM 1/12/99 , Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: >Speaking of football maybe Jeannette should fill Jennifer in on the latest >DC Cycles party? > >Glenn > > >> Are you a football fan? Super Bowl's coming. How about a computer >> professional? Ever own a handgun? >>=20 >>=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark E. Truelove (true@XXXXXX)=A0= http://members.bellatlantic.net/~true911/ 1992 VFR750 (The Crow)=A0=A0=A0 1985 VF500 ('Kitty)=A0=A0=A0 1972 CB350 (In= Hibernation) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:39:37 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13725 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA24520 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA06374 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:39:29 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EWAFa18626 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:38:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <365682f4.369b5e7a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:38:50 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Hello - 125/ GP racing game Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 In a message dated 1/11/99 5:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << MOPED.. not a lawnmower... right Jack? >> Yeah, thats the one...or is it a weedwhacker? On a side note, I downloaded a cool GP bike racing game (its a playable demo). Its available at www.3dfiles.com. Search around, the games name is Grand Prix 500cc. Very cool game and very realistic. You race a 125 in the demo. Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:48:41 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13915 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0B7640358; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:48:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112095453.018e55e0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:55:23 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Lap Robes on web Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Potomac Canvas has a website http://www.potomacmarine.com/canvas.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 09:50:52 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14004 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 183; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:49:05 -0500 Message-ID: <369B6145.A3BD6CB@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:50:45 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <19990112121703.17229.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > And Ray says: > Handguns and football? Scary. I'm for whatever team Mark is for! Aw, c'mon, you saw "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis, didn't you? No more need for downfield blocking when you are packing. :) Best hit I saw all season! :) Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 10:09:03 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14340 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A57DFA03C8; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:08:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112101346.018e9020@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:15:48 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Begeman.Leon@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: 81st Crotona Midnight Run Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, Leon. I found this info-- Feb 6,7 81st Crotona Midnight Run Yonkers, NY Ramapo Motorcycle Club (914) 668-8335 Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 10:27:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14670 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 389; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:26:07 -0500 Message-ID: <369B69F3.96903C25@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:27:47 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: Linda Tanner , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Now with my bike, it would probably take less of a lap blanket to do the > job since I already have a full fairing. A lap blanket that added 10 > inches to the sides of the fairing, came up and over the gas tank and > back on my lap would probably be enough (especially with that hot BMW > K engine!). Probably the same story with my Concours. It wouldn't need much of a blanket to be truly comfy. I'm interested to see what Linda can come up with, too. Linda, Hey There! You've been quiet lately, welcome back! Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 10:43:05 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14910 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 115; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:41:08 -0500 Message-ID: <369B6D78.8C9F2E20@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:42:48 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Hello References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> <369A76C4.B32DFA64@XXXXXX> <19990111.162253.4511.5.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > Oh, no. Age has nothing to do with it. You don't achieve "old fart" > status until the day you decide that a ride on a motorcycle isn't > worth the effort of hiking a leg over it. Oh! Whew! I've got a couple of hundred years to go then! :) Had me worried for a minute. Dale (the Horkster, gonna ride forever!) Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 11:04:22 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15342 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A272480368; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:04:02 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112110453.018e9970@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:07:04 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <369B69F3.96903C25@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:27 AM 1/12/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Probably the same story with my Concours. It wouldn't need much >of a blanket to be truly comfy. I'm interested to see what Linda >can come up with, too. I was just emailing (is that the verb?) with a guy in Oregon who has a Langlitz (as in Langlitz Leathers) lap apron on his BMW K100 - he says they make a basic model, and a BMW boxer one with holes for the jugs. He said these were less than $200. I'll be calling Langlitz today. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 11:15:04 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15579 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A4E36203CA; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:14:27 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112111222.018e1cc0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:13:37 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Hello In-Reply-To: <369B6D78.8C9F2E20@tidalwave.net> References: <199901112146.QAA26034@meretrix.com> <369A76C4.B32DFA64@XXXXXX> <19990111.162253.4511.5.bike.dealer@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:42 AM 1/12/99 , you wrote: >Bikes R Us wrote: >> >> Oh, no. Age has nothing to do with it. You don't achieve "old fart" >> status until the day you decide that a ride on a motorcycle isn't > worth >the effort of hiking a leg over it. > >Oh! Whew! I've got a couple of hundred years to go then! :) >Had me worried for a minute. >Dale (the Horkster, gonna ride forever!) Be sure to put in your will that your buddies have to take your expired body for a last ride. Like that guy in Finland (?) did with his Dad. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 11:26:59 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send203.yahoomail.com (send203.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.155]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15773 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:26:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990112162839.28162.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Received: from [152.121.100.100] by send203.yahoomail.com; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:28:39 PST Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Hello To: Dale Horstman Cc: "'DCC'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --Dale Horstman wrote: > > Ray wrote: > > > And Ray says: > > Handguns and football? Scary. I'm for whatever team Mark is for! > > Aw, c'mon, you saw "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis, didn't > you? No more need for downfield blocking when you are packing. :) > No, never saw Last Boy Scout. But I did see Mad Max about 600 times. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 13:20:48 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17804 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A26914E03CA; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:20:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112132621.018f22b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:27:07 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Pictures of GPS car in river Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Computer Car Navigator Is All Wet >.c The Associated Press > POTSDAM, Germany (AP) -- A German couple out for a Christmas drive near >Berlin >ended up in a river -- apparently because their luxury car's computer forgot to >mention they had to wait for a ferry. > >You find some video-screenshots of a TV report by RTL about it on my page: >http://home.pages.de/~schlaggo/gps/index.htm Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 13:30:24 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18062 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA17387 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:29:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-12.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.140) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma017304; Tue Jan 12 12:29:11 1999 Message-ID: <003901be3e59$5d1325e0$8c72d9ce@oemcomputer> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: RE: NYC Bus Trip Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:28:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will be leaving from WV panhandle, running up Rt. 340 to Rt. 70 to the = beltway. If anyone needs a ride from these nether regions let me know Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo pager 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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HDKnight1 on Yahoo pager
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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BE3E2F.72C43980-- From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:06:18 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18769 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:06:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 182; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:04:25 -0500 Message-ID: <369B9D19.A2DE730D@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:06:01 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray CC: "'DCC'" Subject: Re: Hello References: <19990112162839.28162.rocketmail@send203.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray wrote: > > --Dale Horstman wrote: > > Aw, c'mon, you saw "The Last Boy Scout" with Bruce Willis, didn't > > you? No more need for downfield blocking when you are packing. :) > > > No, never saw Last Boy Scout. But I did see Mad Max about 600 times. > Ray Close enough. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:07:40 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18773 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 224; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:05:46 -0500 Message-ID: <369B9D6E.2B6537D6@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:07:26 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990112110453.018e9970@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leather would probably rule as a fabric for this. Can be made weatherproof enough to last for a while, too. Chris Norloff wrote: > I was just emailing (is that the verb?) with a guy in Oregon who has a > Langlitz (as in Langlitz Leathers) lap apron on his BMW K100 - he says they > make a basic model, and a BMW boxer one with holes for the jugs. He said > these were less than $200. I'll be calling Langlitz today. > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:32:52 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19324 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:32:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id OAA06724; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:29:44 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma006543; Tue, 12 Jan 99 14:29:20 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5G00KPVOXNC4@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F7.006B2DF3 ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:30:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:26:56 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: FW: 97 HD Softail FS To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F7.0069BB62.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL I found this on the BBS at my office. Respond to the guy below, not me. Chris Weaver -------- 1997 Harley Davidson Softail Custom 1,600 miles, two tone burgundy, 3k in options, mint cond. $15,500 Herndon 703-610-7593 Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:48:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19573 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00301 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18772 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id QCIIa01222 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:47:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:47:18 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Gorgeous Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Im sorry for the useless waste of bandwidth but for those who didnt ride in today, its GORGEOUS outside. Felt like April.... Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 14:58:43 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19788 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A96E3C50356; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:58:38 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990112142444.018f7830@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:25:04 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH In-Reply-To: <369B9D6E.2B6537D6@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990111101232.00fbe1f0@mail.toward.com> <4.1.19990112074116.018bccd0@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990112110453.018e9970@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" $$$! Chris Norloff At 02:07 PM 1/12/99 , you wrote: >Leather would probably rule as a fabric for this. Can be made >weatherproof enough to last for a while, too. > > > >Chris Norloff wrote: > >> I was just emailing (is that the verb?) with a guy in Oregon who has a >> Langlitz (as in Langlitz Leathers) lap apron on his BMW K100 - he says they >> make a basic model, and a BMW boxer one with holes for the jugs. He said >> these were less than $200. I'll be calling Langlitz today. >> >> Chris Norloff > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 15:23:12 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20301 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15226; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:24:28 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8AD@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:24:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Gonna have to agree with this one!!! This morning was the first I've ridden in to work in a while (first it was the tires..then I kept forgetting to buy a parking pass)... Almost didn't want to come into work this morning... The trip outside the building for lunch wlcomed even sunnier and warmer weather!! Woo hoo... may have to take the long way home tonight. Collin On Tuesday, January 12, 1999 2:59 PM, WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] wrote: > Im sorry for the useless waste of bandwidth but for those who didnt ride in > today, its GORGEOUS outside. Felt like April.... > > Jack From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 15:37:54 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20555 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 100AZS-0000H5-00; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:37:51 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:35:37 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DDBFC3F@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'Fagan, Collin LT'" , "'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:33:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, I'm jealous! Someone want to give me a new battery? ; ) - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 > -----Original Message----- > From: Fagan, Collin LT [SMTP:cfagan@XXXXXX] > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:24 PM > To: 'WantAZX6@XXXXXX'; 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' > Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day > > Gonna have to agree with this one!!! This morning was the first I've > ridden > in to work in a while (first it was the tires..then I kept forgetting > to buy > a parking pass)... Almost didn't want to come into work this > morning... > The trip outside the building for lunch wlcomed even sunnier and > warmer > weather!! Woo hoo... may have to take the long way home tonight. > > Collin > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:04:30 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21011 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id XROYa15297 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:01:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:01:39 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I'm jealous too - someone want to tell my bike it can come out of hibernation now?!?!?! although walking around on two feet was very pleasant too.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:31:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21566 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 221; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:30:06 -0500 Message-ID: <369BBF34.5242A8A3@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:31:32 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day References: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8AD@MSCEX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > Woo hoo... may have to take the long way home tonight. You won't be the only one! ;) Dale (I hear Chantilly backroads calling me...) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:38:46 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21713 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-39-49.s49.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.49]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA07979 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990112164645.006d2bc4@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:46:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone out there have a copy of Windows for Worgroups 3.11 laying around? My disk 8 has a bad sector and prevents me from loading a much needed network driver on my old machine (networking them together finally) Specifically, I need VNETSUP.386 If anyone can help out i'd really appreciate it..can't seem to find this one anywhere on the net :( Thanks Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 16:41:42 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL (animal.dinfos.osd.mil [199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA21726 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:39 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:41:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Mine came out today. A little tricky since the cul-de-sac I live on was not plowed, but it was passable. The main roads, however, were in pretty good shape. Mitch -----Original Message----- From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX [mailto:JinnSinn@XXXXXX] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:02 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day I'm jealous too - someone want to tell my bike it can come out of hibernation now?!?!?! although walking around on two feet was very pleasant too.... Marcy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 18:35:40 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23873 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-65-173.s173.tnt24.brd.erols.com [207.172.65.173]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA14257 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:35:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: FW: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:34:51 -0500 Message-ID: <008a01be3e84$2681d280$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I can't visualize what this thing would look like, but I'm sure with some collaboration, we could come up with a design. I don't think my machine can sew through that much fabric, but we can try. But what is the goal? Cutting the wind or insulation? There are better ways than layers upon layers. There are polartec products now that are windproof. Let's keep talking about it. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Leon Begeman said: Ok. Count me in. I want the 3rd one. I built one last year, it wasn't heavy enough. Can you sew through 4 layers of canvas and a half inch of batting? How does one put a 1/2"x1/8" strip of aluminum strap into the seams? How can a pair of 2ft aluminum straps be removed so it can be washed? If it doesn't go underneath the bike, then air gets in from the bottom, if it does go under the bike, then you can't put your feet down to stop, I opted for warm, I had to plan ahead to stop. I'll pay $500 for one that will last about 10,000 miles. From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 18:38:03 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23893 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-65-173.s173.tnt24.brd.erols.com [207.172.65.173]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15732 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:37:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: <008b01be3e84$7bdae1e0$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990112075236.018bdb40@mail.toward.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Yep, my saddlebags/tankbag are made of the same type stuff. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Chris Norloff said: That's a real possiblity! Does your sewing maching handle the heavy pack-cloth stuff (like cloth the weight of an Aerostich)? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 18:52:52 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24205 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (207-172-65-173.s173.tnt24.brd.erols.com [207.172.65.173]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA25548 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:52:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:52:00 -0500 Message-ID: <008c01be3e86$8bdb56e0$8534accf@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <369B69F3.96903C25@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Thanks, Dale. I just checked out the Potomac Marine website. The pictures still don't show me what the thing really looks like. We can work this out. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ PS. I was in FL for Christmas and, man, was it hot ;-) Dale Horstman said: Probably the same story with my Concours. It wouldn't need much of a blanket to be truly comfy. I'm interested to see what Linda can come up with, too. Linda, Hey There! You've been quiet lately, welcome back! From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 19:08:14 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24523 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id PWROa23166 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:07:22 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6bffecce.369be3ba@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:07:22 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NYC Bus Trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 I'm leaving from beautiful downtown DC if anyone wants to tag along. I live right across from the WaterFront metro if you want to meet me here or I can swing by and pick you up. Also, bringing the Blazer so, if anyone wants to stow their stuff in it during the trip, feel free. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 19:25:39 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA24778 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from big-daddy (207-172-50-76.s76.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.76]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29981 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:25:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990112192945.006c95ac@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:29:45 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Re: non-moto driver needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to all who replied....I go the whopping 15k file and I am up and networked.... And they pay you network gurus HOW MUCH!!!! :) Just kidding. I know there's a lot more to it than installing a pair of nic cards a hub and a little file sharing.... Thanks again to those that responded Collin _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 12 21:57:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27252 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA05548 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from thehub.knight-hub.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.16.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA00062 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from newmicronpc (dialpm6-24.knight-hub.com [205.177.16.65]) by thehub.knight-hub.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA03838 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:57:32 -0500 Message-ID: <053901be3ea0$177e5f80$4110b1cd@newmicronpc> From: "mobacc" To: Subject: Re: Gorgeous Day Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:54:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Riding west at 5:15 was surreal -- that sunset spoke of cataclysm -- Fiery, bright orange-red, changing slowly like lava flowing over the clouds. A stunner! Bill S. / DC / 513 99 VN750 Needs blindfolding when riding into fire Join the AMA. Help protect my riding fun. -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX >Im sorry for the useless waste of bandwidth but for those who didnt ride in >today, its GORGEOUS outside. Felt like April.... > >Jack > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 01:18:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00573 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08289 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03185 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:17:57 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id UQVKa02625; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:16:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67fadade.369c3a48@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:16:40 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TLR parts... still needed. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Yep, if anyone knows of any left side parts mostly body, mirror, turnsignal, nose cowl, lower cowl, and foot peg, shifter, and bracket. I need it. I called a guy out west who had it advertised, but its already been sold, he is gonna ask a buddy of his if he is selling his stock bodywork, but doesnt sound too promising. So everyone, please do your ol buddy Sean a favor and keep your eyes peeled. I need this thing ready for bike week, and as much as I am willing to get brand new parts, Im looking to save a couple bucks. Thanks for the help... Sean... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 06:45:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06470 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA11654 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA07102 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:45:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113114712.24397.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:47:12 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 03:47:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: TLR parts... still needed. To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Call Grant Lopez (yeah, that Grant Lopez) at his shop at 334-633-FAST. That's not actually his phone number, it's the other business in the bldg but it's the one I remember and it's the same shop. He races and wrecks these, and always has one or two parts bikes around. Ray ---CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yep, if anyone knows of any left side parts mostly body, mirror, turnsignal, > nose cowl, lower cowl, and foot peg, shifter, and bracket. I need it. I > called a guy out west who had it advertised, but its already been sold, he is > gonna ask a buddy of his if he is selling his stock bodywork, but doesnt sound > too promising. So everyone, please do your ol buddy Sean a favor and keep > your eyes peeled. I need this thing ready for bike week, and as much as I am > willing to get brand new parts, Im looking to save a couple bucks. > > Thanks for the help... > Sean... > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 07:18:37 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06945 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from big-daddy (207-172-50-76.s76.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.76]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id HAA14718 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:18:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990113072544.006c9418@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:25:44 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: Paging Mr Weaver...Mr. Chris Weaver... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry to send this to the list.... Chris, it appears your reply to field in your mail program needs some editing :) Trying to send you a reply from yesterday and both attempts failed... Collin >Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:45:00 -0500 >From: postmaster@XXXXXX >Subject: Re: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file >To: cfagan@XXXXXX >Reply-to: postmaster@XXXXXX >Content-disposition: inline >X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL > > > >Delivery Failure Report > > Your Re: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file > document: > > was not Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US > delivered to > : > > because: User Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US not > listed in public Name & Address Book > > > > > > > > > Tampa-TSS-Gate6, Tampa-TSS-Gate6, USDomino071/Price Waterhouse, > INTLNAMMAIL01/US/INTL, INTLNAMSMTP10/US/INTL > > > > ________________________ > > >To: Christopher A. Weaver/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US >cc: >From: cfagan@XXXXXX @ Internet >Date: 01/12/99 07:45:00 PM >Subject: Re: non-moto: need WFW3.11 driver file > >Thanks for the file Chris... I'm now a true geek with my own home network >:) > >Old Dominion is out your direction sort of... remember when we headed out >route 28 then turned onto Waxpool and went past the WalMart? Well, keep >going a mile or so and on the right you'll see three very tall flagpoles >and flags back a bit from the road... That's it! One of the buildings that >you can see says "Airbus" >take a look at my little sketch then apply it as you go through the >park...first left, follow the long multi apex sweepers around to the back, >right turn, straightaway, left turn, long right sweeper, right turn onto >waxpool's turn lane, right turn back into complex... Pretty fun and not too >populated on a sunday afternoon... > >Thanks again >Collin > >At 05:18 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote: >>By the way, Collin - nice website. >> >>Where's that Old Dominion Speedway anyway? I looked for where it might be >>when I went on a group ride you organized in the fall, and never noticed >>anyplace obvious. >> >>Chris Weaver >>(I was the guy on the crappy red Seca II. Looking at maybe a TL-S or F4 >>soon - woohoo!) >> >> >> >_________________________________________ >Collin and Penny Fagan >LT, U.S. Coast Guard >(202) 366-0067 (work) >(703) 356-4279 (home) >ICQ UIN: 435732 >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ >(us, bikes, reptiles, and more) >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ >(racing page) > > > _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 07:22:44 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA07045 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust008.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.8]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA02128; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:25:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990113121749.006cd580@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:17:49 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: non-moto driver needed At 07:29 PM 1/12/99 -0500, Collin T. Fagan wrote: >Thanks to all who replied....I go the whopping 15k file and I am up and >networked.... >And they pay you network gurus HOW MUCH!!!! :) About the same as Coast Guard Lieutenants. Leon - who was an Army Captain before becoming a network guru. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 07:57:08 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07573 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:57:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:57:05 EDT Message-Id: <199901130757.AA19792594@piglet.toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Chris Norloff " Reply-To: X-Sender: To: ljtanner@XXXXXX CC: DC-CYCLES@XXXXXX Subject: Re: FW: MC Lap Blankets available locally - for Harley FLH X-Mailer: There's some pictures of the Harley lap robes at http://www.potomacmarine.com/canvas.htm For our bikes with fairings, visualize the fairing on each side continuing back as cloth until it covers your legs. Then visualize the tops of the cloth on each side covered by a third piece of cloth that you pull across your lap. The leading edge of this third piece lays across your gas tank. This keeps the wind off you, and (depending on the bike) keeps the engine heat with you. At least that's one version. I talked with "Dave" at Langlitz Leathers in Oregon yesterday, and they charge about $150 for lap aprons. While I emailed with a guy who has one now on his BMW K100, Dave said Langlitz doesn't have ones for that bike, but has them for the BMW boxer engines (it attaches between the carb and head on each side). He really doesn't like to sell them mail order because he can't install them. He had a mail order customer return one as "not working" and they found out he was securing it to the front fender! No one needs that kind of liability exposure. He really liked the idea of the prices Potomac Canvas is charging, and thought he might fly out to install them himself! :-) Chris Norloff ************************************************* I can't visualize what this thing would look like, but I'm sure with some collaboration, we could come up with a design. I don't think my machine can sew through that much fabric, but we can try. But what is the goal? Cutting the wind or insulation? There are better ways than layers upon layers. There are polartec products now that are windproof. Let's keep talking about it. LindaT. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 09:01:46 1999 Return-Path: jlobrien@XXXXXX Received: from relay2.smtp.psi.net (relay2.smtp.psi.net [38.8.188.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00547 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from [38.179.155.66] (helo=subspace.tuckerflyer.com) by relay2.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for dc-cycles@XXXXXX id 100QrP-0002lA-00; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:01:27 -0500 Received: by subspace.tuckerflyer.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:59:13 -0500 Message-ID: <2AA74B7F5518D111ADAF00805F31F84DE4E056@badge.tuckerflyer.com> From: "O'Brien, Jeannette" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Oh, The Ride In Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:57:29 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Ok, ok, so you guys got me jealous enough to risk my battery today. I put it on the tender last night to recharge it & rode in today. I forgot how much I missed riding! The acceleration, the ability to get through traffic...ah, so much better than that sardine can they call the metro in the morning! Ice, ice, stay away! - Jeannette '86 VFR 700 F2 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 09:38:28 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01134 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id JAA15868; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:35:24 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma015456; Wed, 13 Jan 99 09:34:18 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5I005OH5XKEE@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566F8.00502622 ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:35:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:31:27 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: Paging Mr Weaver...Mr. Chris Weaver... To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566F8.004EAE27.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Sorry folks. I've just gotten a new NT workstation here at the office and am still working out the bugs in the new system. If anyone else has been trying to get a hold of me, try using the address below to reply to me. Meanwhile, I'll try to figure out how to get Lotus Notes to change the "reply to" address. Sorry for the confusion. Chris Weaver christopher.a.weaver@XXXXXX ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:22:43 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01923 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:22:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA17723 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:21:27 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990113152210.RBEZ6156@toddnt> for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:22:10 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Bobby! Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000801be3f08$65958aa0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Oh, NOOOOO! Franklin Mint, with the almighty seal of approval of Harley Davidson, has created one of the most bewildering and (at least to me) sickening little collectibles; 'Bobby'. I was thumbing through my latest issue of American Motorcyclist, and there on a full page ad was 'Bobby'. 'Bobby' is a little porcelien baby bad-boy, complete with Harley Cap, vest and key-chain. He is sitting, baby style in his little diapers grasping the key-chaing and just barely smirking. Awwwwwww....give me a break, please. At the bottom left of the add was the official Harley Davidson seal of approved products. I just stared at the whole thing and didn't know if I should burst out laughing, or screaming. (Heavy, heavy sigh) Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:23:05 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01933 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from viking.cris.com (viking [206.173.119.81]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id KAA08527; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:01 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by viking.cris.com (8.8.5) id KAA10165; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: NYC Bus Trip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is anyone going on the bus trip from the leesburg/herndon area that might be interested in car pooling? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:31:04 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02079 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:31:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113153218.1192.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send102.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:32:18 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:32:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: NYC weather forcast To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://home.microsoft.com/default.asp?clienttime=625&zipcode=10009#end _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:33:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02091 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14317 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:33:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11027 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F8.0054B4DC ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:25:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F8.00549110.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:25:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Bobby! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Harley's new motto. "Build it, and they will buy it." on a full page ad was 'Bobby'. 'Bobby' is a little porcelien baby bad-boy, complete with Harley Cap, vest and key-chain. He is sitting, baby style in his little diapers grasping the key-chaing and just barely smirking. Awwwwwww....give me a break, please. At the bottom left of the add was the official Harley Davidson seal of approved products From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 10:58:44 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02507 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA20216; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:57:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv13-21.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.85) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020157; Wed Jan 13 09:57:14 1999 Message-ID: <002c01be3f0d$4c4d1f40$5572d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" , "Hugh A. Caldwell" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:56:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Hugh, I can run down Rt 9 to Leesburg instead and just run Rt 7 to the = Beltway if you are in a jam.... Let me know... At least the forecast for = this weekend looks good so far. Anyone else ?=20 Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight 1 on Yahoo Pager 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:29 AM Subject: NYC Bus Trip > > Is anyone going on the bus trip from the leesburg/herndon >area that might be interested in car pooling? > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 11:06:08 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02694 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA23369 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:06:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199901131606.LAA23369@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:04:24 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC weather forcast Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990113153218.1192.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Okay, so New York City is getting rain, snow and ice over the next two days... :-) Don't worry, the bus trip is not in jeopardy! First of all, those New Yorkers are used to getting snow (I should know, I'm a displaced New Yorker myself)... they have plenty of snow plows, sand trucks, etc. (radical concept!). Secondly, the bus will be travelling 95N to the NJ Turnpike and straight into the city. All interstates, no secondary roads. No problemo! The good news is that the weather will be clear on Saturday, and looks like it'll be in the 50's here on Sunday! I'm sure we'll all be in the mood to ride after drooling over those new bikes! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 13:38:50 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05251 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU5NRXL; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:15 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Message-ID: <19990113.133527.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-7,11-12,14-15,19-22,26-27,29-31 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:15 EST On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:59:28 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: > I'm wondering about using thin bungee material (aka "shock cord") and lightweight >fiberglass poles (fishing poles or lightweight tent poles). Why not just strap an open umbrella to each leg? (har, har) I sat on a Royal Star equipped with engine guards and a windshield for quite some time this morning, trying to figure out what shape an effective blanket would have to be. My mental design process isn't complete, but I think it would have to attach: 1. to the forward frame rails above and below the radiator (with the radiator exposed) 2. to the engine guards, then wrap around the outside of the floorboards to cover your feet. After that, I envision attaching the outside edge of the blanket to a belt around your waist. This would allow for leg movement under (behind) the blanket. 3. to the same waist belt from the upper frame attachment point. The overall effect, I think, would be of "chaps" that attach to the bike rather than to your legs. You could unbuckle (or un-velcro/unsnap) the belt and leave it with the bike when you dismounted. Anyone see a flaw in this design? What am I saying? I must be crazy to open up myself to criticism like this... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 13:43:13 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05331 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU5NR7Q; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:16 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Age of wisdom Message-ID: <19990113.133527.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <000401be3e37$9fc713a0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,5-6,8-9,13-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:37:16 EST On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:27:03 -0500 "Todd Peer" writes: >He, he, he. Wait til you're actually 30. Then you start looking at 40+ year olds as the >'real' geezers. I'm sure it's the same when you touch 40. :) When I turned 21, I looked back at 18 and said, "I thought I knew everything back then. I was an idiot." When I turned 30, I looked back on 21 and thought the same thing. I wonder if that continues throughout life. Do you think we'll all reach 70, look back on 55 and say, "I thought I knew it all when I retired. Pah! I was a moron!" JohnDavid@Bikes R Us ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:08:11 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05730 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:08:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 201; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:06:13 -0500 Message-ID: <369CEEFE.F40D9396@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:07:42 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bikes R Us CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX, Linda Tanner Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design References: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> <19990113.133527.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bikes R Us wrote: > > The overall effect, I think, would be of "chaps" that attach to the bike > rather than to your legs. You could unbuckle (or un-velcro/unsnap) the > belt and leave it with the bike when you dismounted. That's a pretty good way of explaining it! Chaps for your bike. ;) I don't think I'd want them belted to me, though. Velcro might be tolerable, though. Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:20:48 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05994 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03014 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8B9@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets - design Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Ouch..that just sounds painful!!! heavy fabric snapping in the groin!! yikes! On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:18 PM, Dale Horstman [SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether > the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:23:41 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06006 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU8AG9L; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:59 EST To: nomad98@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Message-ID: <19990113.142108.7775.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19990113185435.21248.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-7,12-19 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:22:59 EST On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:54:35 -0800 (PST) Nomad writes: >It occurs to me that it would be easier / cheaper to purchase and wear a pair of >chaps or leather pants than to procure and wear a lap apron. >Herb >'94 magna Yeah, but I think the idea of the blanket is to trap engine heat around you in addition to blocking the wind the way "real" chaps do. Besides, with the blanket thing left on the bike, you could walk into a business establishment without hearing the theme from "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" in the background. (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) But, yes, regular chaps WOULD be easier and probably cheaper. JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:36:55 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send106.yahoomail.com (send106.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.43]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06302 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:36:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113193748.10077.rocketmail@send106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [204.108.10.1] by send106.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:37:48 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:37:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo" I thought I was mearly imagining that sound as I came motoring into work most friday mornings. Herb '94 Magna > Yeah, but I think the idea of the blanket is to trap engine heat around > you in addition to blocking the wind the way "real" chaps do. Besides, > with the blanket thing left on the bike, you could walk into a business > establishment without hearing the theme from "The Good, The Bad, and The > Ugly" in the background. > > (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) > > But, yes, regular chaps WOULD be easier and probably cheaper. > > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 14:43:26 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06449 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYU9FBAQ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:43:05 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Message-ID: <19990113.143954.7775.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990112075324.018db7b0@mail.toward.com> <19990113.133527.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> <369CEEFE.F40D9396@XXXXXX> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,12-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:43:05 EST On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:07:42 -0500 Dale Horstman writes: >That's a pretty good way of explaining it! Chaps for your bike. ;) >I don't think I'd want them belted to me, though. Velcro might be >tolerable, though. Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether >the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. Well, I guess I wouldn't want to be buckle-belted to the bike either, now that you mention it. A little Velcro or a snap or two would be okay, since they'd give way if you fell off. I doubt it would take much more than that to hold the blanket on you. Each bike's aerodynamics would be an issue and so would the "flap factor." JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 16:53:04 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08782 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20027 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA25050 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:52:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990113215429.15356.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send205.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:29 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 13:54:29 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: Re: TLR parts... still needed. To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX, tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sean...I still have some TL parts also... ..orig windscreen ..orig exhaust cans (2) ..solo seat pad ............................ .......make me a deal....... .....selling them cheap..... ---CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Yep, if anyone knows of any left side parts mostly body, mirror, turnsignal, > nose cowl, lower cowl, and foot peg, shifter, and bracket. I need it. I > called a guy out west who had it advertised, but its already been sold, he is > gonna ask a buddy of his if he is selling his stock bodywork, but doesnt sound > too promising. So everyone, please do your ol buddy Sean a favor and keep > your eyes peeled. I need this thing ready for bike week, and as much as I am > willing to get brand new parts, Im looking to save a couple bucks. > > Thanks for the help... > Sean... > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 17:05:48 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09050 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:05:45 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27507; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:04:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901132204.RAA27507@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Age of wisdom To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:04:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990113.133527.5271.2.bike.dealer@juno.com> from "Bikes R Us" at Jan 13, 99 01:37:16 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > When I turned 30, I looked back on 21 and thought the same thing. I > wonder if that continues throughout life. Do you think we'll all reach > 70, look back on 55 and say, "I thought I knew it all when I retired. > Pah! I was a moron!" > Well, you will keep doing, and later you will say: "I thought I knew everything, but now I forgot almost everyting" > JohnDavid@Bikes R Us > _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:12:16 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10086 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA11843; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:11:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-28.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.156) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011803; Wed Jan 13 17:11:01 1999 Message-ID: <001501be3f49$e37041e0$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" , "Hugh A. Caldwell" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:10:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Hugh, I am not sure where exactly Reston town Parkway is, I always just = take the Greenway to the Toll Road to go into work, but if theres = someplace that I could meet you Saturday morning at about 6:45 am, I = dont mind at all.. May need the help staying awake on the route home. = That goes for anyone else out this way. I am taking the jeep so I have = room for 4 passengers...I have met Anita fefore at a Burger King just NE = of Rt 28 and Rt 7. Let me know whatever comes up... Foer any = emergencies my pager number is 304-271-1049. thats also useful if anyone = ever gets into trouble out this way riding etc.. always willing to = help, especially since daughter is now old enough to come along without = any problems Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Hugh A. Caldwell To: Ken Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip > > I live off of Rt 7 near the Reston Town Parkway. I've >got my own transportation so I was mostly interested in carpooling >for convenience sake. You don't need to come out of your way to >pick me up but if you want to, that would be cool. > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Ken wrote: > >> Hugh, I can run down Rt 9 to Leesburg instead and just run Rt 7 to = the Beltway if you are in a jam.... Let me know... At least the forecast = for this weekend looks good so far. Anyone else ?=20 >>=20 >> Ken S. >> HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger >> HDKnight 1 on Yahoo Pager >> 1996 XLH 1200 >> Ride Safe >> Inwood, WV >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hugh A. Caldwell >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 10:29 AM >> Subject: NYC Bus Trip >>=20 >>=20 >> > >> > Is anyone going on the bus trip from the leesburg/herndon >> >area that might be interested in car pooling? >> > >> > >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- >> >Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI >> >---------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >>=20 >>=20 > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:52:49 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10793 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TYPFa15290; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11bf9169.369d3050@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:24 EST To: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Bobby! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/13/99 10:27:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, todd.b.peer@XXXXXX writes: << Oh, NOOOOO! Franklin Mint, with the almighty seal of approval of Harley Davidson, has created one of the most bewildering and (at least to me) sickening little collectibles; 'Bobby'. >> ROTFLMAO. I saw this too. I was seriously thinking of buying it for a friend who rides a Harley. Then reality struck and I realized how stupid it looked. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:53:45 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10808 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/08/04 5.11)) id SAA23628; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:41 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id SAA23549; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:53:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: Ken cc: dc-cycles Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... In-Reply-To: <001501be3f49$e37041e0$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If the Burger King is on Rt 7 I believe I know where it's located and will be glad to meet you ther at 6:45AM. I believe that this is the same Burger King that Collin used as the starting point of a ride he set up late last year. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 18:58:02 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.156]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10904 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA21728; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:57:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00ac01be3f50$a108e1c0$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "O'Brien, Jeannette" , Subject: Re: Oh, The Ride In Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 And now I have to go get it because the battery is crap.... errrr. Just when I wanted to sit home, relax, kick the dogs, love the wife, etc. errrrr. ;-) -Tom -----Original Message----- From: O'Brien, Jeannette To: 'dc-cycles@XXXXXX' Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:11 AM Subject: Oh, The Ride In >Ok, ok, so you guys got me jealous enough to risk my battery today. I >put it on the tender last night to recharge it & rode in today. I >forgot how much I missed riding! The acceleration, the ability to get >through traffic...ah, so much better than that sardine can they call the >metro in the morning! Ice, ice, stay away! > >- Jeannette > '86 VFR 700 F2 > > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:06:00 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11109 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:05:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07170; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199901140005.TAA07170@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Hugh A. Caldwell" , dc-cycles Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:04:10 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... Priority: normal References: <001501be3f49$e37041e0$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 13 Jan 99, at 18:53, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: > If the Burger King is on Rt 7 I believe I know where it's > located and will be glad to meet you ther at 6:45AM. I believe that > this is the same Burger King that Collin used as the starting point > of a ride he set up late last year. Yes, it is the same [infamous] Burger King! :-) Affectionately known as "Anita's Burger King"... but unfortunately I don't get a share of the profits! :-) Anita (living in the center of the universe, Sterling VA!) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:19:18 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11353 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21994 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA28616 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26669 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:19:12 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id HGIMa01433 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:14:34 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:14:34 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Huh...? A geography question.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 205 Ran across this on one of the recent NYX trip postings....... "....Also, Scott Rush (ScooterFZR@XXXXXX) will be leaving from SW DC and is interested in carpooling as well..." Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:21:01 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11444 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:21:00 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id RHKLa23173 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:20:21 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <551c0199.369d3845@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:20:21 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: NYC Bus Trip Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Sorry to post this to the list but, I lost the e-mail of the person who said they might be interested in a ride. He asked where WaterFront Metro Station was, it's on the Greenline near the fishmarket and Arena Stage. L'Enfant Plaza is also close by. However, I checked with Metro and they don't start running until 8am on the weekends. Anyone looking to share a ride, we'd have to meet somewhere. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:29:00 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11537 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA22946; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:27:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv12-28.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.156) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma022895; Wed Jan 13 18:27:15 1999 Message-ID: <021501be3f54$86d41000$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Hugh A. Caldwell" , "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:26:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well then sounds like a plan, Anita would you also care to meet us there = ? Anybody else? Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Hugh A. Caldwell ; dc-cycles = Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:13 PM Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip/ Pager # for emergencies out this way..... >On 13 Jan 99, at 18:53, Hugh A. Caldwell wrote: >=20 >> If the Burger King is on Rt 7 I believe I know where it's >> located and will be glad to meet you ther at 6:45AM. I believe that >> this is the same Burger King that Collin used as the starting point >> of a ride he set up late last year. > >Yes, it is the same [infamous] Burger King! :-) Affectionately=20 >known as "Anita's Burger King"... but unfortunately I don't get a=20 >share of the profits! :-)=20 > >Anita >(living in the center of the universe, Sterling VA!) > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:40:45 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11737 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22178 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29029 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26802 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10106; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:40:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199901140040.TAA10106@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:38:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Priority: normal In-reply-to: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. I'm not sure why you are confused! Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:49:09 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11938 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10620; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:47:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199901140047.TAA10620@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Ken" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:46:09 -0500 Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Priority: normal In-reply-to: <021501be3f54$86d41000$9c5e23c7@uspppshephar1> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 13 Jan 99, at 19:26, Ken wrote: > Well then sounds like a plan, Anita would you also care to meet > us there ? Anybody else? I'm going to be doing a "run around like a chicken with its head cut off" routine on Saturday morning... fun things like picking up donuts/muffins/whatever from Dunkin' Donuts, ice for the sodas, and then get to the commuter lot by 7:30 am. So, I'll have to pass on the carpooling this time around! :-) Whew, this "tour director" stuff is hard work! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 19:57:46 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12116 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust041.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.41]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA23916; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:00:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990114005255.006b8144@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:52:55 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us), todd.b.peer@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Age of wisdom Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX At 01:37 PM 1/13/99 EST, Bikes R Us wrote: >When I turned 21, I looked back at 18 and said, "I thought I knew >everything back then. I was an idiot." > >When I turned 30, I looked back on 21 and thought the same thing. I >wonder if that continues throughout life. I sure as hell hope so. I'm not looking forward to the time when I know that I was a lot smarter 10 years ago. Leon. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 20:55:11 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13024 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-50-76.s76.tnt15.ann.erols.com [207.172.50.76]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08272 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369D5174.DFDE7FFF@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:07:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. References: <199901140040.TAA10106@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit he he he.... our headquarters building is located deep in the heart of SW DC, and believe me, it's NOT Arlington :) While there are a few decent areas in SW, the biggest share of it is very low income housing... Had a few very scare shuttle bus rides through there.... One saturday when I took a shortcut through there, two whole blocks were shutdown and about every DC cop was there running around with guns pulled and yelling at people... Up near L'Enfant Plaza where I work (DOT building) isn't too bad though... Anita Lauro wrote: > > On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > > > Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? > > You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, > SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. > > I'm not sure why you are confused! > > Anita -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 21:31:20 1999 Return-Path: nomad98@XXXXXX Received: from send102.yahoomail.com (send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA13656 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:31:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114023251.10426.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [205.188.192.58] by send102.yahoomail.com; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:32:51 PST Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nomad Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Collin, I used to attend meetings at Buzzard's Point and every so often the shuttle bus was hit with BB gun pellets from the boyz-in-the-hood (usually in the afternoon when they finally woke-up). Always an interesting ride through that SW neighborhood. Herb '94 Magna <---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: Had a few very scare shuttle bus rides through there.< _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 13 23:38:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15649 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24442 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA04506 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JDKAa27801; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:36:23 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1ceff72c.369d7447@aol.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:36:23 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Interesting web site... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 http://www.staff.dmu.ac.uk/~msb/questionnaire.htm This is a crash survey for anyone who has been in a motorcycle accident. Sean... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 00:02:14 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16023 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:33:44 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "Ken" Cc: Subject: RE: NYC Bus Trip Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:39:49 -0500 Message-ID: <02b801be3f77$eb0b5880$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <199901140047.TAA10620@radagast.wizard.net> Importance: Normal Meanwhile, I'll be threading that find line between "trying to make it on time" and "getting pulled over". ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:46 PM > To: Ken > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip > > > On 13 Jan 99, at 19:26, Ken wrote: > > > Well then sounds like a plan, Anita would you also care to meet > > us there ? Anybody else? > > I'm going to be doing a "run around like a chicken with its head cut > off" routine on Saturday morning... fun things like picking up > donuts/muffins/whatever from Dunkin' Donuts, ice for the sodas, > and then get to the commuter lot by 7:30 am. So, I'll have to pass > on the carpooling this time around! :-) > > Whew, this "tour director" stuff is hard work! :-) > > Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 00:30:01 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA16442 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s35.wizard.net [206.161.15.65]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00081 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:29:59 -0500 Message-ID: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:38:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 A lot of hype, but fun to read anyhow! :-) http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990113/ny_cycle_w_1.html Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 01:15:02 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17134 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.40]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:11:34 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:17:39 -0500 Message-ID: <02cd01be3f85$95ff7660$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> Importance: Normal Hey, can we qualify for the $2 off for groups >20?? ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24463 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD73CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:23 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114080733.00fd7b80@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:08:18 -0500 To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MC Lap Blankets - design Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <19990113.142108.7775.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <19990113185435.21248.rocketmail@send101.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:22 PM 1/13/99 , Bikes R Us wrote: >Yeah, but I think the idea of the blanket is to trap engine heat around >you in addition to blocking the wind the way "real" chaps do. Besides, >with the blanket thing left on the bike, you could walk into a business >establishment without hearing the theme from "The Good, The Bad, and The >Ugly" in the background. > >(Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa-WAA-waa) And WHAT'S wrong with that? :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24464 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD72CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114080705.018b3560@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:07:22 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: MC Lap Blankets - design In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8B9@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ya gotta be TOUGH to ride a bike in the winter! Chris Norloff At 02:22 PM 1/13/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Ouch..that just sounds painful!!! heavy fabric snapping in the groin!! >yikes! > > >On Wednesday, January 13, 1999 2:18 PM, Dale Horstman >[SMTP:Horkster@XXXXXX] wrote: > Depends on each bike's aerodynamics, and whether >> the chaps flap around in your lap at speed. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:28 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24466 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD74CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:24 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114080930.00fd2370@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:15:02 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] In-Reply-To: <11bf9169.369d3050@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ><< Oh, NOOOOO! Franklin Mint, with the almighty seal of approval of Harley > Davidson, has created one of the most bewildering and (at least to me) > sickening little collectibles; 'Bobby'. >> > >ROTFLMAO. I saw this too. I was seriously thinking of buying it for a friend >who rides a Harley. Then reality struck and I realized how stupid it looked. >Scooter This seems like a good place to present a letter that was in Cycle World (Feb 99), from a guy in Massachusetts. "Exactly two years ago, I bought a Harley-Davidson. Since then, I have been to all three of the big rallies: Sturgis, Daytona and Laconia. I've always enjoyed these events as a spectator, but have never really found any common ground with the mainstream participants. As a friend of mine observed, "Grown men and women who spend ungodly amounds of money on Harley-Davidson motorcycles, clothes, T-shirts, pre-ripped pants, chaps, extremely loud pipes, tattoos, etc. and proceed to tow their bikes to these events have absolutely nothing to do with motorcycling and everything to do with Halloween." "He may be right, I enjoy riding this bike, not polishing it like a Faberge egg. It seems that maybe these folks should be sold dummy-Harleys that have a really loud V-Twin soundtrack and an electric motor that will do 50 or 100 miles, the average distance ridded during an event. This way, the people who really ride Harleys won't have to wait in line for one." Well said, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:13:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24471 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29944 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10468 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01255 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD75CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:25 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114081651.00fd0b50@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:19:04 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. In-Reply-To: <199901140040.TAA10106@radagast.wizard.net> References: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >> Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? > >At 07:38 PM 1/13/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, >SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. > >I'm not sure why you are confused! >Anita Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond shape, on the west side of the Potomac River). But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account for your thinking it didn't exist. :-) Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:20:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24665 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AF18352039E; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:20:24 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114082408.018b0320@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:27:36 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: "Interesting" ride in today! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I decided to drive the sidecar rig in today, with reports of ice, freezing rain, and rain. The bike covers had ice on them when I went outside. It took several tries to get the sidecar rig going -- which reminded me that that's one of the reasons I got a newer bike! Within a mile of leaving the house I had ice on my windscreen and faceshield, and the Fog City faceshield couldn't keep up with the fog. It was warmer in DC and everything started melting. Could be an interesting ride home! 2 wheels or 3, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:20:50 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24674 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28732; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:22:41 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8BF@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'George Howell'" , Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX>, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:22:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain >From talking with Anita yesterday, we've already got that discount included in our price... On Thursday, January 14, 1999 8:17 AM, George Howell [SMTP:ghowell@XXXXXX] wrote: > Hey, can we qualify for the $2 off for groups >20?? > > ---------------------------------------- > -George Howell > ghowell@XXXXXX > ghowell@XXXXXX > georgehowell@XXXXXX > "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:29:56 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24800 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29293; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:31:48 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C0@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: "'Chris Norloff'" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:31:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Yep, I had to break ice off the bike this morning too... Dumb me didn't watch the weather this morning nor check the current temps... but it "felt" ok outside. :) About 2 or 3 miles from the house, I was thinking "What kind of damn fool rides in to work in weather like thise!" Didn't realize how cold it was until I got into the parking garage here and I had a nice sheet of ice across my chest...Of course I lost feeling in the fingers long before...still wearing my summer gloves cause one of the winter ones is MIA... May have to leave the bike here and metro it home this evening if it turns worse... Collin On Thursday, January 14, 1999 8:28 AM, Chris Norloff [SMTP:cnorloff@XXXXXX] wrote: Could be an interesting > ride home! > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:40:01 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24972 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:39:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141339.IAA24972@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:41:08 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:39:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) sheesh, I only had ice on my legs.. crunchy jeans.. :P It's supposed to warm up for today.. just rain in the forecast.. we should make it home without any difficulty.... From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:49:36 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25137 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A5ED39703CE; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:49:33 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114084649.018a51a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:48:30 -0500 To: "Fagan, Collin LT" , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C0@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:31 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Yep, I had to break ice off the bike this morning too... ... >Didn't realize how cold it was >until I got into the parking garage here and I had a nice sheet of ice >across my chest...Of course I lost feeling in the fingers long >before...still wearing my summer gloves cause one of the winter ones is >MIA... > >May have to leave the bike here and metro it home this evening if it turns >worse... >Collin Well, I'll be leaving the FAA building garage at about 4-4:30, and you're welcome to a ride in the sidecar. (As long as I get home in time to pick up my kids at daycare). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 08:56:42 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA25265 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.220.24.154]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 64 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:54:48 -0500 Message-ID: <369DF811.493B98B7@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:58:41 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Help on buying used Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone on the list ever bought a vehicle from an individual when it was still under lien (i.e no clear title till the original loan is paid off)? Not sure how that works. I've only ever bought from dealers or bought something that the PO had owned outright. I'd hate to cough up a bank check to some guy, take the vehicle home, and then spend weeks waiting to get the title so I can make it street legal. FWIW, the guy seems legit, I just want to cover my bases. Any other suggestions to help CMA? (Cover my You-Know) :) FWIW, the vehicle is located out of state. Any help/suggestions would be sincerely appreciated. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? TBD???? :) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:16:53 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25680 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AC4D139036E; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:16:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114091811.00fbf320@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:23:57 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Help on buying used In-Reply-To: <369DF811.493B98B7@tidalwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 08:58 AM 1/14/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >Anyone on the list ever bought a vehicle from an >individual when it was still under lien (i.e >no clear title till the original loan is paid off)? No, I haven't. I think your concern is justified. I'd contact the current lienholder and go over this with them, because to get a clear title I guess you need both the owner and the lienholder's signature. Is the payment greater than the lien? If so, perhaps you should send two checks - one to the owner and one to the lienholder. Contact the Virginia DMV, too -- they might be able to help, and will at least tell you what pitfalls to avoid with licensing it in VA. (The DMV is so weird - I removed a name from the loan with the loan company, but DMV said the title would still show the removed name. So I re-titled the car, but then DMV said the removed name would still show up on the registration. The car had to be re-registered (with new tags) AND re-titled to remove the name of a non-owner). Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:42:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26134 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA01123 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12286 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02057 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.77]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25292 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:42:49 -0500 Message-ID: <047001be3fcd$51054ce0$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:51:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: Chris Norloff To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 8:17 AM Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. >But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the >river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account >for your thinking it didn't exist. The real reason I know that SW exists is because of the Maine Ave seafood vendors... maybe I'll organize a combination motorcycle ride and blue crab feast next summer.... yum!!! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:53:11 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26328 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.77]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA26346; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:53:11 -0500 Message-ID: <048101be3fce$c4989760$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: Subject: Re: Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:01:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Dale, I went through this when I bought my GPZ... and I further complicated the situation by getting a loan myself. If the guy's bank is local, the easiest thing is for both of you to go there, you bring a cashier's check for the amount of his payoff, and cash for the difference. The bank releases the title, seller signs it over, and you are good to go. Now the guy may not want you to know his payoff, or his bank may not be local... then it's a question of trust. If the seller is MD, it's a little different. MD has a two part title... the lienholder has a special copy that records the lien, and the seller keeps part. Since the guy selling the GPZ was in Washington state, I faxed him a copy of two cashier's checks (one from the bank for the amount of my loan, one from me for the difference), he sent me his part of the title via Fedex, I went to his credit union in Hagerstown and paid off his loan, got the second part of the title, and then picked the bike up from where it was being stored. Just about as complicated as you could get (but completely worth it)! :-) Oh, and you'll also need a bill of sale to register the bike, but you can just type one up yourself. Depending on how much the guy owes he might want to take an advance on a credit card to pay it off, that way he'll have the title in hand when you come to pick up the bike. I did that when I sold my XT350 and it worked out really well. Good luck! Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 09:58:26 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA26422 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:58:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141458.JAA26422@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:59:50 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: MD native??? Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:58:19 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Gads, who'd wanna eat those nasty things?? (can you tell I'm not a native?) Now, if it were Rocky Mtn. Oysters... that's a different tune.. :) Yummy. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > > The real reason I know that SW exists is because of the Maine > Ave seafood > vendors... maybe I'll organize a combination motorcycle ride > and blue crab > feast next summer.... yum!!! > > > Anita > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:03:01 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26518 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:03:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01351 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA12833 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F9.0051F2E7 ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:55:05 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F9.00519B29.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:54:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Help on buying used Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Holy cow what a pain in the butt. The only way I would jump through that many hoops is if the seller knocked an additional $500 off the selling price. >>If the guy's bank is local, the easiest thing is for both of you to go there, you bring a cashier's check for the amount of his payoff, and cash for the difference. The bank releases the title, seller signs it over, and you are good to go. Now the guy may not want you to know his payoff, or his bank may not be local... then it's a question of trust. If the seller is MD, it's a little different. MD has a two part title... the lienholder has a special copy that records the lien, and the seller keeps part. Since the guy selling the GPZ was in Washington state, I faxed him a copy of two cashier's checks (one from the bank for the amount of my loan, one from me for the difference), he sent me his part of the title via Fedex, I went to his credit union in Hagerstown and paid off his loan, got the second part of the title, and then picked the bike up from where it was being stored. Just about as complicated as you could get (but completely<< From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:08:23 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26615 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06329; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 09:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C4@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: Dale Horstman Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:10:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Here's a link to a list of forms on the Oregon DMV website... Number 501 near the bottom is a nicely organized bill of sale... all you'd need to do is cover up the oregon logo near the top :) http://www.odot.state.or.us/dmv/v-forms.asp Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. Also they may have a FAQ that deals with your situation (I think Oregon's does, but it's never been an issue for me, so I haven't looked) Collin On Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:00 AM, Anita Lauro [SMTP:2xracers@XXXXXX] wrote: Oh, and you'll also need a bill of sale to register the > bike, but you can just type one up yourself. > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:16:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26816 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01561 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (IDENT:root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA13253 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc2-s1.wizard.net [206.161.15.77]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28695; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <04da01be3fd1$f06024a0$410fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: , Subject: Re: Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:24:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 -----Original Message----- From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: Re: Help on buying used >Holy cow what a pain in the butt. The only way I would jump through that >many hoops is if the seller knocked an additional $500 off the selling >price. Well, it was the only GPZ I could find for sale in the area... next closest ones were in NY! The price was excellent, and the bike was essentially brand new. Of course, I left out the part where I hung out at Twigg's Cycles for 2 hours waiting for them to get the bike running... the battery was hosed because the guy rode the bike a couple hundred miles, and then parked it for 10 months. Twigg's was nice enough to replace the battery and a sparkplug or two under warranty. Like I said, for me, it was worth it! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:17:23 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26852 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AA7DEE1090A; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:17:17 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114102310.018c8da0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:24:19 -0500 To: "'dc'" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: MD native??? In-Reply-To: <199901141458.JAA26422@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rocky Mtn. Oysters? I love oysters, but have never heard of those. Are you sure those aren't Prairie Oysters? I hear you aren't supposed to eat that kind of oyster! Chris Norloff At 09:58 AM 1/14/99 , McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: >Gads, who'd wanna eat those nasty things?? (can you tell I'm not a native?) >Now, if it were Rocky Mtn. Oysters... that's a different tune.. :) Yummy. > >Brian > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] >> >> The real reason I know that SW exists is because of the Maine >> Ave seafood >> vendors... maybe I'll organize a combination motorcycle ride >> and blue crab >> feast next summer.... yum!!! >> >> >> Anita >> >> From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:19:08 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (send205.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.165]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26869 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:19:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114152039.19894.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send205.yahoomail.com; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:20:39 PST Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:20:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Re: Help on buying used To: Dale Horstman , DC Cycles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If the lien is less than the cost, pay off the lien yourself and deduct from the price. Arrange everything with the bank ahead of time, in person if possible. Ray ---Dale Horstman wrote: > > Anyone on the list ever bought a vehicle from an > individual when it was still under lien (i.e > no clear title till the original loan is paid off)? > > Not sure how that works. I've only ever bought from > dealers or bought something that the PO had owned outright. > I'd hate to cough up a bank check to some guy, take > the vehicle home, and then spend weeks waiting to > get the title so I can make it street legal. > > FWIW, the guy seems legit, I just want to cover my > bases. Any other suggestions to help CMA? (Cover my > You-Know) :) FWIW, the vehicle is located out of state. > > Any help/suggestions would be sincerely appreciated. > -- > > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > 19?? TBD???? :) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:32:15 1999 Return-Path: Turnip@XXXXXX Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27150 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mariner.cris.com (mariner [206.173.119.83]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA13573; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from localhost by mariner.cris.com (8.8.5) id KAA04263; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:32:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Hugh A. Caldwell" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. In-Reply-To: <19990114023251.10426.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I lived in SW for two years and moved out to the sticks last April. The nicest part of living there (4th & G) was it was only a couple of blocks from the mall which sure made going to see the 4th of July fireworks easy. Another nice part was that my commuter took me by the river every day and it was really quite beautiful. The bad part of living in SW was that it wasn't really within walking distance of any of the "hip" hangouts. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hugh A. Caldwell BeGeek 97PGT ZR750-C2 VFR800FI ---------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Nomad wrote: > Collin, > I used to attend meetings at Buzzard's Point and every so often the > shuttle bus was hit with BB gun pellets from the boyz-in-the-hood > (usually in the afternoon when they finally woke-up). Always an > interesting ride through that SW neighborhood. > Herb > '94 Magna > > > <---"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" wrote: > Had a few very scare shuttle bus rides through there.< > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:33:42 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27160 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:33:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id AE515CD091A; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:33:37 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114103825.018cc3a0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:38:54 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Help on buying used Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8C4@MSCEX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:10 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:35:25 1999 Return-Path: mehran7@XXXXXX Received: from send103.yahoomail.com (send103.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.92]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27239 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:35:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114153719.11294.rocketmail@send103.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.228.195] by send103.yahoomail.com; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:37:19 PST Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:37:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mehran Subject: NYC Bus Trip To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was told by a freind that someone is scheduling a trip to the NY Bike Show. Could someone please let me know if there is still room available. My wife and I would love to attend. Thanks, Mehran _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:39:45 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27257 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:39:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141539.KAA27257@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:41:09 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: MD native??? Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:39:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Same thing.. and they are quite tasty. In Bozeman, MT we have the Rocky Mtn. Oyster festival.. a week of eating them - people cook them in different ways, they're judged and enjoyed. It's great bringing in someone who has no clue.. making them try a couple then telling them what they are.. :) Lots of fun.. though I did end up with a slapped face once.. oops. :P > -----Original Message----- > > > Rocky Mtn. Oysters? I love oysters, but have never heard of > those. Are > you sure those aren't Prairie Oysters? I hear you aren't > supposed to eat > that kind of oyster! > > Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:41:59 1999 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27287 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:41:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-99-143.s143.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.143]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18128; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:41:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369E0F59.6EA4@erols.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:38:01 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <048101be3fce$c4989760$410fa1ce@anita> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale...If you want to REALLY cover your ass, then this is the correct procedure if his lien holder is out of the area: First, you don't care HOW much his payoff is and you ARE NOT going to get 2 checks (1 for payoff and 1 for balance) since someone might look on your check as a very nice gift and the check for the payoff as un necessary baggage. Go to your bank and get a "Draft" for the purchase. It will be made out to the seller and the lien holder and is negotiable only if the properly endorsed title papers are enclosed. Your bank will notify you when the papers arrive and you can pick them up. Expect a reasonable charge from your bank. Consider it "insurance" that's cheap. Otherwise go with the seller to the bank/credit union. Anita Lauro wrote: > > Dale, > > I went through this when I bought my GPZ... and I further complicated the > situation by getting a loan myself. > > If the guy's bank is local, the easiest thing is for both of you to go > there, you bring a cashier's check for the amount of his payoff, and cash > for the difference. The bank releases the title, seller signs it over, and > you are good to go. Now the guy may not want you to know his payoff, or his > bank may not be local... then it's a question of trust. > > If the seller is MD, it's a little different. MD has a two part title... the > lienholder has a special copy that records the lien, and the seller keeps > part. Since the guy selling the GPZ was in Washington state, I faxed him a > copy of two cashier's checks (one from the bank for the amount of my loan, > one from me for the difference), he sent me his part of the title via Fedex, > I went to his credit union in Hagerstown and paid off his loan, got the > second part of the title, and then picked the bike up from where it was > being stored. Just about as complicated as you could get (but completely > worth it)! :-) Oh, and you'll also need a bill of sale to register the > bike, but you can just type one up yourself. > > Depending on how much the guy owes he might want to take an advance on a > credit card to pay it off, that way he'll have the title in hand when you > come to pick up the bike. I did that when I sold my XT350 and it worked out > really well. > > Good luck! > Anita -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 10:50:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27541 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 387 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:49:07 -0500 Message-ID: <369E125D.22C77B4B@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:50:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used References: <4.1.19990114103825.018cc3a0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I noticed that Learner's Permits for motorcycles are now available. http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/mclearnperm.htm Motorcycle Learner's Permit Virginia will begin offering a motorcycle learner's permit, effective January 1, 1999. This learner's permit allows you to operate a motorcycle between one half hour after sunrise and one half hour after sunset. In other words, you may operate the motorcycle only during daylight hours. You are not allowed on limited access highways, such as interstate highways. You must wear an approved safety helmet. You must be supervised by a person at least 21 years old who is licensed to operate a motorcycle or who is your parent, legal guardian or sibling. No one, other than the operator can be on the motorcycle. Chris Norloff wrote: > > At 10:10 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: > >Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. > > http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ > > Chris Norloff -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:06:32 1999 Return-Path: mike@XXXXXX Received: from portal1.visa.com (portal1.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27786 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:06:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by portal1.visa.com id IAA27675 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:06:21 -0800 Received: by portal1.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:06:21 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Jordan, Michael" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: RE: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:06:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >I noticed that Learner's Permits for motorcycles are now >available. >http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/mclearnperm.htm Sounds like what I did with my kids - MSF beginner's course, class "M" endorsement on their licenses, and then some accompanied stick time with them on my SRX (individually, of course) and me following on my GSX. When I was satisfied that they were able to perform well (at least with me watching), I let them solo. Michael J. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:07:39 1999 Return-Path: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27804 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:07:38 -0500 (EST) From: JinnSinn@XXXXXX Received: from JinnSinn@XXXXXX by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id FMMEa18626 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:06:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91a9493c.369e15eb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:06:03 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: today's weather report ... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 ... for those of you who like to just "feel" the weather ;D -Marcy Your Regional Forecast WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY TODAY Today: Periods of freezing rain or rain. Temperatures around freezing. Northeast winds 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90 percent. Tonight: Rain. Temperatures slowly rising through the 30s. Light winds. Chance of precipitation is near 100 percent. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:12:25 1999 Return-Path: mberman@XXXXXX Received: from min.net (root@XXXXXX [208.222.210.19]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27894 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamilton.arl.mil (hamilton.arl.mil [131.218.195.67]) by min.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20215; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:12:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:09:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: Morris Berman To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" cc: "'dc'" Subject: RE: "Interesting" ride in today! In-Reply-To: <199901141339.IAA24972@meretrix.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: berman@XXXXXX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At least the ice on the jeans should keep the wind out! :-) -Mb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris Berman, berman@XXXXXX '96 Kawasaki GPz1100, '82 GS650GL(DoD #1237), Scuba, Skiing, AMA (M/C)#446884 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one is responsible for what I say...well, OK, maybe me. Managers are like cats in a litter box. They're always rearranging trying to cover up what they've done. --Scott Adams On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > sheesh, I only had ice on my legs.. crunchy jeans.. :P > > It's supposed to warm up for today.. just rain in the forecast.. we should > make it home without any difficulty.... > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:20:58 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28062 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXF66T9; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] Message-ID: <19990114.111523.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990114080930.00fd2370@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,7-8,10-11,16-19 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:15:02 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >..."Grown men and women who spend ungodly amounds of money on >Harley-Davidson motorcycles, clothes, T-shirts, pre-ripped pants, chaps, extremely >loud pipes, tattoos, etc. and proceed to tow their bikes to these events have >absolutely nothing to do with motorcycling and everything to do with Halloween."... >...This way, the people who really ride Harleys won't have to wait in line for one." Sad, but true. I waited on the list for over 6 months for a new Dyna Low Rider. When it finally came in, the G-D dealer sold it to one of these people for cash before I could come down there and do my deal. And THEN they tried to resist giving my deposit back. Don't you just hate dealers? I mean, err, uh... I never mind... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:20:45 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28060 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXF66WS; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD native??? Message-ID: <19990114.111523.5271.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <199901141458.JAA26422@meretrix.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-6,8-17 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:19:27 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 06:58:19 -0800 "McCoy, Brian NAB02" writes: >Gads, who'd wanna eat those nasty things?? (can you tell I'm not a >native?) >Now, if it were Rocky Mtn. Oysters... that's a different tune.. :) >Yummy. Let me speak for everyone who doesn't know what a Rocky Mountain Oyster is, because I do know... BLEAH, YUCK, PTOOOIE, AAAACCKKK, GAG and EEEEEEWWWWWWWW.... ugh... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:34:32 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28304 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04165 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:34:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199901141634.LAA04165@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:32:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Help on buying used Priority: normal In-reply-to: <369E0F59.6EA4@erols.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 14 Jan 99, at 10:38, Art Crow wrote: > First, you don't care HOW much his payoff is and you ARE NOT going to > get 2 checks (1 for payoff and 1 for balance) since someone might look > on your check as a very nice gift and the check for the payoff as un > necessary baggage. Just to clarify... I didn't mean to just hand the seller two checks. :-) My suggestion was to actually go with the seller to his bank, give the bank the check, verify that the lien was paid off, and retrieve the title. The purpose of the second check is to get the seller his portion of the proceeds easier - otherwise he has to wait for his bank to refund the "overpayment." Anita From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:39:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28409 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02881 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA15925 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:39:03 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566F9.005AC069 ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:31:14 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566F9.005A9763.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:31:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline >>And THEN they tried to resist giving my deposit back.<< Why did they do that? Did they want you to go back on the waiting list or something? Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:48:20 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28601 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id QAA32395; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:45:04 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990114164745.VQZN6156@toddnt>; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:47:45 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:46:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be3fdd$8092a8d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Did anybody else catch this: "Several new show attractions that are sure to rev the crowds have been added to this year's tour. One of the most dynamic is the Team Extreme Trials Showcase, which will feature elite motorcycle trial riders pitting their skills against the radical Team Extreme Obstacle Course. This action adventure will feature Tommi Ahvala, Finland's '92 World Champion and '93 World Indoor Champion, facing vertical walls up to 9 1/2-inches." 9 1/2"! Man, that is some wall! I have one that runs the length of my street, but we call it a curb. ;) Todd > -----Original Message----- > From: Anita Lauro [mailto:2xracers@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 12:38 AM > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release > > > A lot of hype, but fun to read anyhow! :-) > > http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990113/ny_cycle_w_1.html > > Anita > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 11:51:06 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28686 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A0611220384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:50:41 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114115218.00fbf6f0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:53:59 -0500 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: MD native??? Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <199901141539.KAA27257@meretrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" No, I don't think so. I've heard the term "Prairie Oysters" to mean cowpies (like "road apples" from horses, etc.). So I guess these oysters you eat are real oysters shipped in to oyster-challenged areas? mouth watering, Chris Norloff At 10:39 AM 1/14/99 , you wrote: >Same thing.. and they are quite tasty. In Bozeman, MT we have the Rocky >Mtn. Oyster festival.. a week of eating them - people cook them in different >ways, they're judged and enjoyed. It's great bringing in someone who has no >clue.. making them try a couple then telling them what they are.. :) Lots >of fun.. though I did end up with a slapped face once.. oops. :P > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> Rocky Mtn. Oysters? I love oysters, but have never heard of >> those. Are >> you sure those aren't Prairie Oysters? I hear you aren't >> supposed to eat >> that kind of oyster! >> >> Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 12:21:19 1999 Return-Path: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29233 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:21:15 -0500 (EST) From: Lordorange@XXXXXX Received: from Lordorange@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id JJYUa07010 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7a9fe019.369e271d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:19:25 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Rocky Mountain Oysters Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 230 I'm ashamed to say I once lived in a rural area where eating rocky mountain oysters was a right of passage. I didn't partake in that ritual, but I have friends who have. Yuck!!! -matt From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 12:57:03 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29723 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXMHDRQ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: MD native??? Message-ID: <19990114.125040.4351.1.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <4.1.19990114115218.00fbf6f0@mail.toward.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2,4-8,11-15 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:53:59 -0500 Chris Norloff writes: >So I guess these oysters you eat are real oysters shipped in to oyster-challenged >areas? > >mouth watering, >Chris Norloff Uh, no. Lets just say that if you are a normal boy, you have a couple of these oysters between your legs right now. Rocky Mountain Oysters don't come from humans, though... mouth full of bile, JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 12:58:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29805 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA04425 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18604 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DYXMHDPJ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST To: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Harley Yuppies [was: Bobby!] Message-ID: <19990114.125040.4351.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <852566F9.005A9763.00@goliath.intelsol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-6,16-17,27-32 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:52:25 EST On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:31:08 -0500 Steve_Beck@XXXXXX writes: >>>And THEN they tried to resist giving my deposit back.<< > >Why did they do that? Did they want you to go back on the waiting list or something? Exactly. The dealer played as if the bike had not arrived yet. They were most likely going to put me off until the next one showed because they probably sold my bike to the RUBbie for $5000 more than the deal we had. I imagine that they figured I'd never know that my bike had arrived there since they sold it the day it showed up, but I had a friend in the HVAC business who went there to work on their system and happened to see the bike come in. He knew it was almost my time. I know the bike should have been mine because I camped out in front of the store in order to be the first in line on the list (which I was). Stands to reason that the first guy on the list should get the first one that comes in, no? Anyway, I pulled my deposit and decided to wait for the Harley wave to crest and fall (it will, one of these days). Eventually prices will begin to come down. Of course now I don't care anymore, since I have discovered that the Japanese make great Harleys for less money. Who wants a nice new Road Star for $5000-$10,000 less than a similar H-D? Me, that's who. Or a Royal Star with a 5 year warranty? Or a Vulcan Classic 1500 that'll walk away from a stock Harley on the highway? Or a Suzuki Intruder 1500 LC with loads of accessories already attached for $10,000? Or, best of all, how about any one of those bikes AND a V-Star for the new rider in your family for the same money as most any Harley Big Twin? Better shut up. I appear to be raving... Anyway, that's what happened... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 13:20:26 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA00380 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A56666402DE; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:20:22 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114131635.018d7040@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:19:55 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: NYC Motorcycle Show Press Release In-Reply-To: <000401be3fdd$8092a8d0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> References: <043301be3f80$1872e7e0$410fa1ce@anita> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:46 AM 1/14/99 , Todd Peer wrote: >This action >adventure will feature Tommi Ahvala, Finland's '92 World Champion and '93 >World Indoor Champion, facing vertical walls up to 9 1/2-inches." > >9 1/2"! Man, that is some wall! I have one that runs the length of my >street, but we call it a curb. ;) >Todd Ha ha ha! Sounds like someone used ' and " to mean feet and inches, and got it wrong. I think I've seen Ahvala (on tape) doing arenatrials in England. Absolutely incredible. It's not really motorcycling, it's stunting with a motorcycle. They use so much body english you'd swear their feet are velcro'd to the pegs. I loved the way they'd do 180 deg. turns - do a stoppie, twist the bike 180 deg. on the front wheel, and take off in the opposite direction as soon as the rear wheel touches the ground. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 13:41:19 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00636 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:41:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA08936 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:41:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:41:11 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Cheap boots Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.hiperform.com/blowout_stock.htm My brother bought a pair of boots from this guy a couple years ago and received good service. Prices look pretty good for bonafide alpinestars racing boots. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 13:57:45 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA00965 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscex.mailteam.uscg.mil ([10.72.2.5]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23885 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:37:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by MSCEX with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:59:36 -0500 Message-ID: <904D6E6114A7D211ACCD006008A37EBDC8CC@MSCEX> From: "Fagan, Collin LT" To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: RE: Cheap boots Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:59:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain He does seem like a pretty good guy..and his prices are great if he has your size.... I talked with him back and forth afew times about a year and a half ago, and he had just sold his last size 10 before i emailed him :( :( For the smaller feet variety, he's got several sets to sell..... oh yeah, buy a pair of the boots, and he throws in a pair of Alpinestar tennis shoes for free! On Thursday, January 14, 1999 1:56 PM, Kirk Roy [SMTP:kirk@XXXXXX] wrote: > http://www.hiperform.com/blowout_stock.htm > > My brother bought a pair of boots from this guy a couple years ago and > received good service. Prices look pretty good for bonafide alpinestars > racing boots. > > Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:01:40 1999 Return-Path: riders@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01075 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (207-172-39-92.s92.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.92]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id OAA18945; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:01:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369E3E1B.1829@erols.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:57:31 -0500 From: Art Crow X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <199901141634.LAA04165@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anita Lauro wrote: > > On 14 Jan 99, at 10:38, Art Crow wrote: > > > First, you don't care HOW much his payoff is and you ARE NOT going to > > get 2 checks (1 for payoff and 1 for balance) since someone might look > > on your check as a very nice gift and the check for the payoff as un > > necessary baggage. > > Just to clarify... I didn't mean to just hand the seller two checks. :-) > My suggestion was to actually go with the seller to his bank, give > the bank the check, verify that the lien was paid off, and retrieve the > title. The purpose of the second check is to get the seller his > portion of the proceeds easier - otherwise he has to wait for his > bank to refund the "overpayment." > > Anita Oh. nevermind -- Art Crow 1995 R1100RSL, "Mariah" 1996 JRT, "Higgins" 1998 JRT, "Diva" "I've been warm and dry. I've been cold and wet. Warm and dry is better." From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:11:29 1999 Return-Path: got2b_a_xx@XXXXXX Received: from send206.yahoomail.com (send206.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.172]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01176 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:11:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Received: from [140.188.64.152] by send206.yahoomail.com; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:15:02 PST Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:15:02 -0800 (PST) From: c j Subject: DC Cycles T-shirts To: D C MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Goodday..... since Sean has moved and has no E-mail, he asked me to put this out... It appears that we are several orders away from being able to get the shirt order going, as there is a minimum. Sean is checking his old address today for those of you whom may have sent a check to him. Sean Sullivan his new address is #16 8th Street N.E. Washington, D.C. 20002 if you want to call him..202-383-2243..work home....202-544-2855 So, come on and place an order..... Wear the DC Cycles Tee and be proud of it... Be the envy of your group on these weekend rides... Craig.. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01360 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:17:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901141917.OAA01360@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:18:40 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Cheap boots Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:16:54 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) heh.. already ordered mine (yesterday..) :P can't complain! From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:17:29 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01357 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09914 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:16:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:16:40 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC Cycles T-shirts In-Reply-To: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, c j wrote: > So, come on and place an order..... Er, what was the cost again? Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:30:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01633 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA05874 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22030 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:30:50 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 5VKFa04796 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:28:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:28:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Boots Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 Those Stars (for $50) arent really "racing boots" are they? Unfortunately at my size 12/13 its hard to find boots. Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:45:41 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA01933 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10771 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:35 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Boots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 WantAZX6@XXXXXX wrote: > Those Stars (for $50) arent really "racing boots" are they? Unfortunately > at my size 12/13 its hard to find boots. Nope, it was the GP boots that I was really referring to as racing boots and they are legit as such. The Stars are street boots and don't have all the armor of a decent race boot. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 14:45:13 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01861 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:45:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A939400338; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:44:57 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990114144108.018ce6d0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:42:48 -0500 To: Kirk Roy , DC-Cycles Mailing List From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: DC Cycles T-shirts In-Reply-To: References: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:16 PM 1/14/99 , Kirk Roy wrote: >On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, c j wrote: >> So, come on and place an order..... > >Er, what was the cost again? >Kirk >From the Dec. 4 message Sean sent out, " The heavy cotton t-shirts will use "logo 1b" at www.dc-cycles.org. It will be a two-color design (yellow "DC" and light blue "cycles" -- sorry, no gradient). You can choose a shirt color of black, dark gray or any other color without affecting cost -- but I would recommend a dark shirt because of the rider's silhouette (and please stick to the basics, not "cornflower blue" or "rider's remorse green"). The cost of each t-shirt is $10 for sizes adult S-XL. Larger t-shirts (XXL to XXXXL) are $12. Anyone who is interested (and this includes those of you who were nice enough to already give me the initial input regarding quantity, size and color), please send me a quick order specifying: a) number of shirts you want b) size of each shirt c) color of each shirt ... and a check to me (Sean Sullivan) for the total, keeping in mind the higher cost of the larger shirts. Send the orders and the checks to me" I needed the reminder, Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 15:04:35 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02210 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06400 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh.dot.gov (usdotmh.dot.gov [152.119.25.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23180 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from usdotmh-gw.dot.gov by usdotmh.dot.gov (X.400 to RFC822 Gateway); Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:03:02 -0500 X400-Received: by mta usdotMTA in /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 14 Jan 1999 15:02:26 -0500 X400-Received: by /c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; Relayed; 14 Jan 1999 15:02:26 -0500 X400-MTS-Identifier: [/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=gov+dot/; 003F5369E4D52015-usdotMTA] Content-Identifier: 003F5369E4D52015 Content-Return: Allowed X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 ( 22 ) Conversion: Allowed Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Priority: normal Disclose-Recipients: Prohibited Alternate-Recipient: Allowed X400-Originator: Donald.Burger@XXXXXX X400-Recipients: non-disclosure; <003F5369E4D52015*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> Date: 14 Jan 1999 15:02:26 -0500 From: "Burger, Donald " To: "WantAZX6@XXXXXX" , "dc-cycles@XXXXXX" Subject: RE: Boots Message-Id: <003F5369E4D52015*/c=US/admd=ATTmail/prmd=gov+dot/o=RSPA/s=Burger/g=Donald/@MHS> The racing boots are the GP Pros the $80 ones. Thats a better price than I paid for my slightly used ones 2 years ago. DonB. -----Original Message----- From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX [SMTP:WantAZX6@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:50 PM To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Boots Those Stars (for $50) arent really "racing boots" are they? Unfortunately at my size 12/13 its hard to find boots. Thanks Jack From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 15:19:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02466 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06694 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (garicao@XXXXXX [151.200.199.10]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23820 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from garicao@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA26007; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:20:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX cc: DC Cycles Subject: black box/igniter question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Given the exorbitant price of mc electronics, does anyone have information about or experience with: (a) using/modifying igniters from one manufacturer on another's machines? (b) using/modifying car ignition electronics on bikes? Thanks. --garcia "When you come to a fork in the road, take it." (Yogi Berra) "Grab the knives and spoons, too." (garcia) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 16:30:26 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03804 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07743 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA26875 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08162 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:30:17 -0500 (EST) From: Eternity23@XXXXXX Received: from Eternity23@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WORAa04297 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:21:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <551ea5a7.369e5fbd@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:21:01 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: DC Geography....Geeze, it was a joke!!! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 As Chris put it, "...Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond shape, on the west side of the Potomac River)...." That was what I was refering to. As I understand it, this change in geography occurred in some little domestic dispute attributed to "Northern Agression". Or something like that. I realize that their is a SW DC....c'mon guys, cut me some slack! No more historically oriented jokes for you guys!!! (Except maybe the inestimable Mr. Norloff, who seemed to have gotten where I was going.) -Sean Jordan From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 16:44:47 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03973 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta3.mcit.com (omta3.mcit.com [166.37.204.5]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA08856 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:44:01 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta3.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990114214413.XHEV6156@toddnt> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:44:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: YMMV Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:43:25 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Been meaning to bring this topic up for a couple days now and since it's on my mind, here it is. Anybody remember the mileage for the year wars we had around march of last year? Well, my personal goal was to get around 20,000 miles for the year in 1998. My actual total for 1998 was 28,500 miles ridden with close to 8,000 of those miles put on my CB750...WooHOOO! It certainly helped that I put an additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. My 1999 goal is 30,000 miles, but I wouldn't mind if I beat that one too :-) So, let's hear it all you Long Distance Riders, and not just the IBA types. I'm willing to bet there are some lurkers here who are more interested in riding then typing ;) Todd ST1100 CB750 VF500F Member AMA, HSTA, HRCA, IBA From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:07:40 1999 Return-Path: ljtanner@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04398 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:07:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from LJTanner (209-122-247-252.s252.tnt26.brd.erols.com [209.122.247.252]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01680 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:07:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Linda Tanner" To: "DC-CYCLES" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:07:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be400a$3d817ee0$fcf77ad1@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Mazeltov Todd. Well, I just went outside in the rain to pull the frozen cover off my bike to check the odo. And, as I haven't ridden since I got back from FL, I put 23092 miles on my F3 last year. Not bad, but I was hoping for 55K on the bike by end of February, so I would have 50K miles on the bike (that I put on - it had 5k on it when I got it) by the third anniversary of its purchase. I don't think I'm going to make it. Oh well. LindaT. 95 F3 Purple Haze (52K miles and counting) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/4807/ Todd Peer said: Well, my personal goal was to get around 20,000 miles for the year in 1998. My actual total for 1998 was 28,500 miles ridden with close to 8,000 of those miles put on my CB750...WooHOOO! It certainly helped that I put an additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:26:49 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04634 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 322; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:24:55 -0500 Message-ID: <369E6F1F.A5AB6DE6@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:26:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: YMMV References: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Todd Peer wrote: > It certainly helped that I put an > additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. I can't wait to get a chance to ride around like that. I'd be in heaven. Hmm, how long 'til retirement? :( -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:29:24 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04715 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:27:01 -0500 Message-ID: <369E6F9D.7952C041@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:28:46 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linda Tanner CC: DC-CYCLES Subject: Re: YMMV References: <000101be400a$3d817ee0$fcf77ad1@LJTanner.arl.mci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda Tanner wrote: > > Mazeltov Todd. > > Well, I just went outside in the rain to pull the frozen cover off my bike > to check the odo. That's why we love you, Linda. You got the right kind of priorities! My kind of Gal! :) (PS: There's still plenty of time to hit 55k before the end of Feb.) Dale -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 17:31:14 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04792 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:31:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 247; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:29:23 -0500 Message-ID: <369E702C.3FE1E79D@tidalwave.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:31:08 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Peer CC: DC-Cycles Subject: Re: YMMV References: <001d01be4006$ea0685b0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's see, I put on about 4000 miles with the old LTD before it broke down once too often at the end of March 1998. (I probably should have kept it, evidently the new owner has had no problems with it.) Picked up the Concours March 30th, and closed out the year just shy of 24,000 miles (I turned 24K on our abbreviated Polar Bear run Jan. 1st.). Damn, that's only 28,000 for the year. I rode maybe another 2 or 3 hundred on our other bikes, but I think you still got me by a little bit. Way to go, Todd! I found that you get a one-year free membership in the Kawasaki Good Times Owner's Club (Let the Good Times Roll, and all that crap) if you ride 100,000 miles on your bike. The day I bought the Connie, I made it a goal to get there in three years (that's when the factory unlimited miles warranty ran out). So far, I'm just a little bit shy of that pace (hey, it's been cold and icy lately!). Gotta make it up soon. Daytona anyone? :) The Concours has been rock solid in that time, too. Aside from the 5 tires it's seen, I had a cargo strap in the right saddlebag let go. New bag under warranty. Oh yeah, I also had to replace a $1 taillight bulb. Probably could have made that a warranty item, too, but didn't bother. Todd Peer wrote: > > So, let's hear it all you Long Distance Riders, and not just the IBA > types. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 24,500 miles 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 10,060 miles (last I checked) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 18:01:07 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05292 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:01:05 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id TLKSa27768 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:57:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <204e4b08.369e764f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:57:19 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 I don't want to start a flame war (started one on a ZX list already) , just need data from members of the club. Of the faster folks (on sport-bikes) on the list I would like to know who uses the rear brake instinctively, i.e while riding fast on the twisties and who like me has to think about using it in slow moving traffic and when I am not riding particularly fast and coming to a straightline stop. To save the front pads when I can. Folks who ride fast on cruisers (with a rear weight bias and less powerful front brakes) probably need to use the rear brake so I don't need info from you. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 18:48:33 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06035 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-49-162.s162.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.162]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14852; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:48:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369E886D.B45EA960@geocities.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:14:37 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <204e4b08.369e764f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He he he..some of us have been lurking 2nd hand through the ZX list war (kinda funny) I'm of the type that uses both brakes all the time. However, the front brakes do 90% of the work. On the track in particular, I use the rear brake to squat the entire bike down coming into turns 1 and 6 at Summit, and elswhere on the track, particularly turns 3 and 10, I use the rear brake a tad to kick the back end out a touch and shoot through the corner on a steeper line and cut underneath people and get a better drive onto the following straights. None of the sweepers at Summit are really long enough to trail into (although I sometimes trail into T1 if i'm still a bit too hot). On the street, I use the rear on occasion. Particularly when I find myself into a corner a little faster than I like, I gently ease on the rear brake to scrub off some speed while not forcing the bike back upright. using the front in this situation stands the bike up and makes cornering more difficult... Take all this with a grain of salt though... I started on dirt bikes nad enduros at age 8 and spent lots of years off road, so sliding doesn't bother me one bit at all (on the contrary..I think it's fun sometimes). Back when I used to race dirt bikes though, 9 times out of 10 if I was using the rear brake, it usually would be mid jump to control the angle of the bike in the air (slowing the rear wheel causes its rotation to be transmitted into the rest of the bike and bring the nose back down...) I guess the short answer is that I grew up using the both the front and the rear brake together, and have been doing it for 18 years now, so it's something I do now pretty much without thinking about it... (crappy weather is a different story..tend to go lots slower and use the rear brake a lot more..) Collin Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > Of the faster folks (on sport-bikes) on the list I would like to know who uses > the rear brake instinctively, i.e while riding fast on the twisties -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:07:21 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06364 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:07:20 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id EUHHa03210; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:02:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:02:14 EST To: gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Collin you sneak. I also started with motocross and used alot of rear brake. My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and intermediate riders is dangerous. The guy who started the thread was complaining of sliding his rear wheel when braking and it was obvious to me that he was braking as if in a car. I too use it but only when I think about it and when I panic (and I do occasionally) my first reaction is to ignore the rear which in a panic would probably get slammed harder than desired. Anyway, I guess I have to be careful on the ZX list one never knows who may be lurking. :-)) Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:36:59 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06948 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust025.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.25]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26411; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:38:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990115003106.006b3a88@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:31:06 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Interesting. Virginia allows parents to teach their kids to ride even if neither parent has a motorcycle license. This sounds much more reasonable than I would have expected from them. Leon. At 10:50 AM 1/14/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: >I noticed that Learner's Permits for motorcycles are now >available. > >http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/mclearnperm.htm > > >Motorcycle Learner's Permit > > Virginia will begin offering a motorcycle learner's >permit, effective > January 1, 1999. > > This learner's permit allows you to operate a >motorcycle between > one half hour after sunrise and one half hour >after sunset. In other > words, you may operate the motorcycle only during >daylight > hours. > > You are not allowed on limited access highways, >such as interstate > highways. > > You must wear an approved safety helmet. > > You must be supervised by a person at least 21 >years old who is > licensed to operate a motorcycle or who is your >parent, legal > guardian or sibling. No one, other than the >operator can be on the > motorcycle. > >Chris Norloff wrote: >> >> At 10:10 AM 1/14/99 , Fagan, Collin LT wrote: >> >Not sure how organized the VA DMV is, but they may have a similar website. >> >> http://www.dmv.state.va.us/ >> >> Chris Norloff > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) >horkster@XXXXXX >Dale City, Virginia > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:39:42 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06958 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA25945 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:39:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv11-22.ix.netcom.com(199.35.94.22) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025900; Thu Jan 14 18:38:31 1999 Message-ID: <022101be401f$47d8b1a0$165e23c7@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: "dc-cycles" Subject: Re: NYC Bus Trip - A couple more notes! Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:37:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well, I'll be picking up Hugh at the Burger King at 0645, is there = anyone else looking for a ride from there so we know whether to wait or = not. =20 Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 8:31 PM Subject: NYC Bus Trip - A couple more notes! >Not sure if I mentioned this before, but due to lack of interest in=20 >chipping in for a deposit, there will be no alcoholic beverages=20 >allowed on the bus. Food and non-alcoholic beverages are fine. > >Also, for those folks not on the dc-cycles mailing list, it appears=20 >that the Burger King on Rte 7 in Sterling is going to be a carpool=20 >meeting place. At least two people will be meeting there at 6:45=20 >AM. So, if you are in the Leesburg/Sterling/Herndon/Reston area,=20 >you might want to stop by there if you are interested in carpooling. > >I guess that's it for now! A mere 60 hours from now we will all be=20 >on the bus, heading north! :-) > >Anita > From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 19:50:01 1999 Return-Path: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from pm05sm.pmm.cw.net (pm05sm.pmm.cw.net [208.159.126.154]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07135 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:49:59 -0500 (EST) From: dawn.jon@XXXXXX Received: from default (usr25-dialup51.mix2.Boston.cw.net [166.55.73.51]) by PM05SM.PMM.CW.NET (PMDF V5.2-29 #33509) with SMTP id <0F5K004MOSY0UV@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:49:35 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage To: dc-cycles Message-id: <001001be4020$eddf0620$334937a6@default> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal >Collin you sneak. I also started with motocross and used alot of rear brake. >My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and >intermediate riders is dangerous. I'd have to say that using the rear brake is LESS dangerous than the front, especially in a turn. Controlling a rear wheel slide is a lot easier than saving a front end slide. It also can be fun(when you expect it). I think brakes are dangerous in general, unless you're upright. Overloading the front in asking for trouble. Throttle control will do more for you than any type of braking manuver. Certain circumstances aside, the right amount of throttle will give you traction where you need it by transferring weight to the rear tire. >The guy who started the thread was >complaining of sliding his rear wheel when braking and it was obvious to me >that he was braking as if in a car. I too use it but only when I think about >it and when I panic (and I do occasionally) my first reaction is to ignore the >rear which in a panic would probably get slammed harder than desired. >Fred Jon From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 21:01:30 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08343 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10871 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03525 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA10518 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:01:23 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id BWINa04794; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:54:29 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4582e74.369e9fd5@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:54:29 EST To: Eternity23@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/13/99 7:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Eternity23@XXXXXX writes: << Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? -Sean Jordan >> If it is, I've been putting Washington, DC on all my mail. SW DC is the SW quadrant of DC by the fishmarket. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Thu Jan 14 21:37:34 1999 Return-Path: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: from oak.us.pw.com (pw22.pw9.com [208.141.52.245]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08882 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:37:32 -0500 (EST) From: christopher.meier@XXXXXX Received: by oak.us.pw.com; id VAA29929; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:39:04 -0500 Received: from moss.us.pw.com(10.9.16.183) by oak.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma029616; Thu, 14 Jan 99 21:38:47 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com by moss.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5K00EUZY0GNS@XXXXXX>; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:38:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566FA.000E4216 ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:35:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:34:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used To: Leon Begeman Cc: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566FA.000DFAB6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L US@INTL I wouldn't count on it Leon ... I am more inclined to believe that the text of the reg is as poorly written as I would have expected from them. :-) --chris To: Dale Horstman , dc-cycles@XXXXXX cc: (bcc: Christopher Meier/P I/Arlington VA/C&L/US) From: Leon Begeman Date: 01/15/99 12:31:06 AM GMT Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Interesting. Virginia allows parents to teach their kids to ride even if neither parent has a motorcycle license. This sounds much more reasonable than I would have expected from them. Leon. At 10:50 AM 1/14/99 -0500, Dale Horstman wrote: --snip--> > You must be supervised by a person at least 21 >years old who is > licensed to operate a motorcycle or who is your >parent, legal > guardian or sibling. No one, other than the >operator can be on the > motorcycle. > --snip-- ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 00:34:17 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11681 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-49-162.s162.tnt14.ann.erols.com [207.172.49.162]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27687 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:34:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369EDA06.9FC3C7C9@geocities.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:02:46 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used References: <852566FA.000DFAB6.00@intlnamsmtp20.us.pw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The way I see it, it means a parent can supervise a permit holder in a parking lot or something where they aren't actually on a bike. Cause we all know they'd bust someone for not having a motorcycle license if they happen to pull the supervisor over for something... CT christopher.meier@XXXXXX wrote: > > I wouldn't count on it Leon ... I am more inclined to believe that the text > of the reg is as poorly written as I would have expected from them. : From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 01:33:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12608 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:33:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14051 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.tcbi.com (mail.tcbi.com [156.46.162.30]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA08043 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 01:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ace [156.46.215.5] by mail.tcbi.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A13B2CE019A; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:33:31 -0600 Message-ID: <001a01be4051$7d82b800$05d72e9c@ace> From: "Ace" To: "Garcia Oliver" , Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: Re: black box/igniter question Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 00:37:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I have used newer GSX-R black boxes on my old '87 GSX-R (had to do some light rewiring) but for the MOST part, Suzuki boxes from similar bikes (ie.92 750 and 95 1100) should work John Mahlendorf ace@XXXXXX RF1000RR -----Original Message----- From: Garcia Oliver To: suzuki-l@XXXXXX Cc: DC Cycles Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 2:25 PM Subject: black box/igniter question >Given the exorbitant price of mc electronics, does anyone have >information about or experience with: > >(a) using/modifying igniters from one manufacturer on another's machines? > >(b) using/modifying car ignition electronics on bikes? > >Thanks. > >--garcia > > >"When you come to a fork in the road, take it." (Yogi Berra) >"Grab the knives and spoons, too." (garcia) > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 07:31:18 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18747 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:31:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151231.HAA18747@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:32:37 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:31:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Well, considering I killed my VF500 at the start of the year and didn't have anything to ride till April.. and even that was just an XT250.. I had a low year. I put about 5k miles on the XT between May 4th and July 4th.. from July 4th till the end of the year, I managed to rack up 13,500 miles on the VFR. This is all local riding, with my only overnight trips being ones to the track (only 90 miles away anyway). Not to bad for a local area only rider.. ;) (in half a year). Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 07:40:31 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18828 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:40:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151240.HAA18828@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:41:55 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:40:24 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Hrm, I think I qualify... and (since we already hashed this out once), I believe I'm of the minority. I use my rear brake a lot - everywhere. Er, wait.. I don't use a LOT of the rear brake ever, but it gets touched a lot. I do NOT cover it ever (well, when I was practicing wheelies I did.. but that's different). Also, my rear brake has been adjusted, by me, to only lightly grab the rotor. I think I managed to lock it up once (I was attempting to lock it) since I did that. For the most part, if I'm out with 'da boys', it's used to signal a corner, set the bike for turn in and then my toe's are back on the pegs. I have to THINK about doing that though.. it's part of the process I go through when approaching a corner... Brian > -----Original Message----- > Of the faster folks (on sport-bikes) on the list I would like > to know who uses > the rear brake instinctively, i.e while riding fast on the > twisties and who > like me has to think about using it in slow moving traffic > and when I am not > riding particularly fast and coming to a straightline stop. > To save the front > pads when I can. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 08:09:06 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19298 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA29031 for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:08:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151308.IAA29031@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: YMMV To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:08:00 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Bought my bike in March, put about 4500 miles till crashing on June 6th; bought another in middle of July, put another 4500 miles till December. Total: 2 bikes 1 crash 9000 miles. Bike is used on weekends, sometimes for a ride to work. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 08:11:14 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19312 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17824 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from goliath.intelsol.com (Goliath.intelsol.com [192.77.213.64]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13065 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: Steve_Beck@XXXXXX Received: by goliath.intelsol.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id 852566FA.0047B4EB ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:03:13 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ISI To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-ID: <852566FA.00474A8C.00@goliath.intelsol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:03:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Learner's Permits, was Help on buying used Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I wouldn't count on it Leon ... I am more inclined to believe that the text of the reg is as poorly written as I would have expected from them. I agree. They probably just didn't write it properly. And if they did, then it just goes to prove that lawmakers don't allow common sense to cloud their judgements. Steve Beck From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:05:32 1999 Return-Path: Christopher_A._Weaver/P_I/Arlington_VA/C&L/US@XXXXXX Received: from aloe.us.pw.com (pw21.pw9.com [208.141.52.244]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA21148 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by aloe.us.pw.com; id KAA24741; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:01:15 -0500 Received: from palm.us.pw.com(10.9.16.43) by aloe.us.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xmaa24451; Fri, 15 Jan 99 10:00:30 -0500 Received: from intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com by palm.us.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #U3018) with SMTP id <0F5L00F3MWEUPQ@XXXXXX> for dc-cycles@XXXXXX; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 852566FA.00526004 ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:59:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:56:18 -0500 From: "Christopher A. Weaver" Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Message-id: <852566FA.0050E7A8.00@intlnamsmtp10.us.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline X-Lotus-FromDomain: PRICE WATERHOUSE-US@INTL Well, I'm no fast rider, having started only last year, but I use the rear brake nearly every time I come to a straight-line stop. This is from conscious effort when I was first learning to ride, and it's stuck with me long enough to become an unconscious action. As for the occasional braking while in a turn, I still have a lot of discipline to turn into instinct. I still find myself using the front brake to correct my line through turns sometimes. I know this is exactly the wrong reaction (an "SR" for those "Twist of the Wrist" readers out there), and I'm working on eliminating it. Chris Weaver '92 Seca II ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:08:13 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21151 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 205; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:06:19 -0500 Message-ID: <369F59D5.80667F97@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:08:05 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: DC Cycles T-shirts References: <19990114191502.5881.rocketmail@send206.yahoomail.com> <4.1.19990114144108.018ce6d0@mail.toward.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > I needed the reminder, Yeah, me too. My order went out in the mail today. Thanks! Dale (the Horkster) 1995 Chrysler Concorde (sigh...I hate ice) From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:27:29 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21462 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id OAA10108; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:26:02 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115152644.EZAV5654@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:26:44 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC-Cycles" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:25:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be409b$51625560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <369E702C.3FE1E79D@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > I found that you get a one-year free membership in the Kawasaki > Good Times Owner's Club (Let the Good Times Roll, and all that crap) > if you ride 100,000 miles on your bike. The day I bought the > Connie, I made it a goal to get there in three years (that's when > the factory unlimited miles warranty ran out). So far, > I'm just a little bit shy of that pace (hey, it's been cold and icy > lately!). Gotta make it up soon. Daytona anyone? :) I'd say you are doing better than that pace based on the assumption that had you owned the Connie in January last year, you would have ridden more often in those first three months. Way to go Dale! Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 10:58:03 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21954 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA15960; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:54:43 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115155724.FENH5654@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:57:24 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: YMMV Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:56:23 -0500 Message-ID: <000401be409f$99d9ad30$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <199901151231.HAA18747@meretrix.com> Importance: Normal Not bad at all! T > -----Original Message----- > From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] > Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 7:31 AM > To: 'dc' > Subject: RE: YMMV > > > Well, considering I killed my VF500 at the start of the year and > didn't have > anything to ride till April.. and even that was just an XT250.. I > had a low > year. I put about 5k miles on the XT between May 4th and July 4th.. from > July 4th till the end of the year, I managed to rack up 13,500 > miles on the > VFR. This is all local riding, with my only overnight trips being ones to > the track (only 90 miles away anyway). Not to bad for a local area only > rider.. ;) (in half a year). > > Brian > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:01:12 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22044 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:00:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151600.LAA22044@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:02:01 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" , "'VFR'" Subject: 86 VF500f Owners manual Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:00:31 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) I have said owners manual sitting in a drawer at home. Free to anyone who wants it (preference will be given to the 'locals' in DC).. let me know.. Oh yea, it's in good shape, no oil or dirt marks.. nothing written inside it.. like you care though.. :P Brian From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:10:14 1999 Return-Path: raymondlucas@XXXXXX Received: from send204.yahoomail.com (send204.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.158]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22146 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:10:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990115161542.9431.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> Received: from [209.48.193.3] by send204.yahoomail.com; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:15:42 PST Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ray Subject: Leaving for a couple weeks To: DCCycles List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'll be going off-list for two weeks. My employer is sending me out of the country. I'll see some of you on the bus tomorrow. Ray _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:20:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22368 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:20:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 306 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:19:09 -0500 Message-ID: <369F6AE3.543A17D5@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:20:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles List Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <048101be3fce$c4989760$410fa1ce@anita> <369E0F59.6EA4@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to everyone who replied with advice. I've got one more rookie question - The new vehicle still has a factory warranty - is there anything special I have to do to get the warranty transferred to me? Maybe I should read up on all the docs I got when I bought my Concours, there might be a hint in all that stuff. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 11:55:56 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22896 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA26337; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:55:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199901151655.LAA26337@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Ray , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:54:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Leaving for a couple weeks Priority: normal In-reply-to: <19990115161542.9431.rocketmail@send204.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 15 Jan 99, at 8:15, Ray wrote: > I'll be going off-list for two weeks. My employer is sending me out > of the country. I'll see some of you on the bus tomorrow. > Ray Ray, Glad you're still going to be able to make the trip! And, I'm doubly glad that the crummy weather was today rather than tomorrow! What a mess that would have been! Of course, now the sun is out and everything is melting... but it wasn't looking so good at 8:30 am when my car doors were frozen shut, and my bike was covered by 3/4" of ice. Brrr! Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 12:01:27 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23040 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:01:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901151701.MAA23040@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:01:15 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:01:14 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Are you buying a cage or something Dale? sheesh.. :P > > I've got one more rookie question - The new vehicle still > has a factory warranty - is there anything special I have > to do to get the warranty transferred to me? Maybe I should > read up on all the docs I got when I bought my Concours, > there might be a hint in all that stuff. From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 12:46:22 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23806 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:46:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA30361 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:46:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199901151746.MAA30361@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:44:42 -0500 Subject: At the show tomorrow... Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Turns out it was 9.5 "foot" walls instead of 9.5 "inch" walls! :-) ------------------------ Thrill to the precision and control of TEAM EXTREME as they complete mountain goat-type stunts such as traversing 9 1/2-foot walls and 6-foot vertical launches. A wild obstacle course showcases the largest contingent of top riders from around the world, including World Champion Tommi Ahvala, from Finland. Laying the groundwork for a Guinness Book of World Records attempt, performances are: Fri., Jan. 15, at 2:00, 4:30 and 8:00 p.m.; Sat., Jan. 16, at Noon, 2:30, 5:30 and 8:00 p.m.; and Sun, Jan. 17, at Noon, 2:30 and 5:00 p.m. A live-action camera event! --------------------------- from http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/990115/ny_cycle_w_1.html Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 13:27:16 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24486 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 333; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <369F8874.7B684F65@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:27:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" CC: "'dc'" Subject: Re: Help on buying used References: <199901151701.MAA23040@meretrix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now what would I do with another cage? I already hate the one we have... ;) McCoy, Brian NAB02 wrote: > > Are you buying a cage or something Dale? sheesh.. :P -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 14:37:20 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25657 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:36:46 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E45E@ZEUS> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:36:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) <> My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and intermediate riders is dangerous. I've only been riding for the past two years which is why I try to practice hard breaking using both the front break and rear break without sliding. However... Coming to work on the Franconia-Springfield parkway a couple of months ago, I was doing a little weaving in and out of traffic. Fun, but stupid, because I know this one section tends to get backed up. To my surprise, from the middle lane to the left lane, I saw nothing but tail lights. Oops! For as much practice as I thought I did, I accidently stomped on the rear. The rear tire locked, and it started to skid hard to the left. Per my MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple of quick counter steers. Conclusion. Pay more attention to road. More practice with hard breaking. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boiade@XXXXXX [SMTP:Boiade@XXXXXX] > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 1999 7:02 PM > To: gixer@XXXXXX > Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage > > Collin you sneak. I also started with motocross and used alot of rear > brake. > My point was that instinctive use of the rear brake by beginners and > intermediate riders is dangerous. The guy who started the thread was > complaining of sliding his rear wheel when braking and it was obvious to > me > that he was braking as if in a car. I too use it but only when I think > about > it and when I panic (and I do occasionally) my first reaction is to ignore > the > rear which in a panic would probably get slammed harder than desired. > > Anyway, I guess I have to be careful on the ZX list one never knows who > may be > lurking. :-)) > > Ciao, > > Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 14:59:00 1999 Return-Path: SuazoT@XXXXXX Received: from peosmtp.PEOSTAMIS.BELVOIR.ARMY.MIL (peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil [160.147.8.35] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25979 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:58:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by peosmtp.peostamis.belvoir.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:58:29 -0500 Message-ID: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> From: "Suazo, Tony" To: DC Cycles Subject: FW: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:58:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) > <> > > I still find myself using the front brake > to correct my line through turns sometimes. I know this is exactly the > wrong reaction (an "SR" for those "Twist of the Wrist" readers out there), > and I'm working on eliminating it. > > As a new rider myself, I have learned a lot from "Twist of the Wrist". > I try to adjust entry speed for all corners so that I don't use any > brakes. > Usually, I think that both my feet are on the pegs. In a turn, I tried > tapping > the front brake to get an idea of how the bike would react. The bike > has a tendency toward reducing your lean angle by wanting to > stand up. Per the book, I try to make line corrections using steering and > throttle control. One of the best tips from the book was how to handle > "too fast" entry into a turn where you feel that you ought to break > becuase > your going wide. Instead of breaking, you need to lean harder into the > turn and apply more throttle. Tricky at first, but definitely fun. > > Tony > CBR 600 F3 > > > > > > > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:11:51 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26189 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 204; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: <369FA0FA.43651BA8@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:11:39 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Suazo, Tony" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E45E@ZEUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Suazo, Tony wrote: > Per my > MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire > skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was > getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear > brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple > of quick counter steers. > Conclusion. > Pay more attention to road. > More practice with hard breaking. I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. However, don't forget to focus on the front brake, since it's the front that's really gonna slow you down in time. I just don't see the point of holding the rear brake locked until you stop. And what if you don't stop? What if you slow down sharply but don't have to come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!? The MSF never answers that question. Most likely because you would have the bike sideways at that point. =8^o Dale (the "guess I'm still ranting" Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:35:47 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26702 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10067 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:35:38 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: DC-Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage In-Reply-To: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Instead of breaking, you need to lean harder into the > turn and apply more throttle. Tricky at first, but definitely fun. This advice has somewhat limited applicability. That is, if it seems like you've overcooked the turn and you know it's true because something is starting to scrape, leaning more may not be an option. :) I've done this more than a couple of times on corners that turn out to be decreasing radius. When that happens adding more throttle is still a good idea but so is getting some body weight towards the inside. Maybe someday when I learn how to ride right these things won't be problems... :) Kirk From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:39:00 1999 Return-Path: HolmesM@XXXXXX Received: from animal.DINFOS.OSD.MIL ([199.122.55.11]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26706 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by animal.dinfos.osd.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" To: "'Dale Horstman'" , "Suazo, Tony" Cc: DC Cycles Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:38:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain When I took the MSF course, I was taught the grab-then-release technique if the motorcycle begins sliding sideways. But we were also taught how to maintain a straight line while locking the rear wheel. That has served me well a couple of times. Mitch Holmes -----Original Message----- From: Dale Horstman [mailto:Horkster@XXXXXX] Sent: Friday, January 15, 1999 3:12 PM To: Suazo, Tony Cc: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Suazo, Tony wrote: > Per my > MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire > skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was > getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear > brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple > of quick counter steers. > Conclusion. > Pay more attention to road. > More practice with hard breaking. I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. However, don't forget to focus on the front brake, since it's the front that's really gonna slow you down in time. I just don't see the point of holding the rear brake locked until you stop. And what if you don't stop? What if you slow down sharply but don't have to come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!? The MSF never answers that question. Most likely because you would have the bike sideways at that point. =8^o Dale (the "guess I'm still ranting" Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 15:46:08 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (mailmessenger.tidalwave.net [208.206.112.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26873 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([166.32.112.69]) by mailmessenger.tidalwave.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id 98; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: <369FA908.1A0FE8B0@tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:46:00 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" CC: DC Cycles Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > > When I took the MSF course, I was taught the grab-then-release > technique if the motorcycle begins sliding sideways. Cool. I don't think it's part of the approved curriculum, but kudos to your instructor for doing it right. :) > But we were also taught how to maintain a straight line while locking > the rear wheel. That has served me well a couple of times. Are you talking about the exercise where you use the rear brake only? I found that exercise to be great fun, but of no real street value. Hooligan value, now? Oh yes, certainly. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 16:16:08 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27343 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:15:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA17655; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:13:59 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115211413.HMCE1406@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:14:13 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Suazo, Tony" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:13:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be40cb$d76e9580$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <369FA0FA.43651BA8@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Common sense tells me to agree with you Dale. But I think MSF is correct by teaching the ride through method. Practicing this method will be the thing you do when it is needed. And its something that should not be feared. Motorcycles, by design, are really just tandem wheeled trailers. If you lock your rear wheel in a panic brake, engine seizure, chain break, or whatever, you will continue to go where your front wheel is pointed due to the built in design of your motorcycle. This doesn't work in a car because there is no trailoring effect. Slam the brakes in a car and the mass keeps moving in the same direction it was moving when you slammed the brakes. Keith Code discusses this principle in 'Twist of the Wrist II' and the typical 'Survival Reactions' associated with it and how they do a lot less for your chances of survival then you think. Common sense says the best thing to do is correct the mistake (braking to hard) by reversing the mistake (letting off the brake). In fact, it is better to ride through the slide. Check out some flat track racing to witness what happens when the rear wheel gives way. Same principal. <<"What if you slow down sharply but don't have to come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!?">> Answer to the first one is, come to a complete stop. Answer to the second one is, it depends. If your riding profile is generally vertical, then let off the brake whenever you want or just come to a stop. If you let off the brake, be prepared to experience chassis upset. If you are leaned over with the rear locked, the rear of the bike will begin to come around and if you let off the brake then, you risk a high-side. You won't low-side if you continue to steer where you want to go (assuming you still have some traction left at the front tire). In principal, I agree with you. But honestly we shouldn't be putting ourselves in a situation where we are using up traction reserves at the rear wheel. It happens sometimes though so, if you do, then it is better to ride the slide then to risk a high-side crash. I think Tony is lucky he didn't high-side. Todd Dale Horstman ranted > Suazo, Tony wrote: > > > Per my > > MSF courses, I kept the tire locked, but I felt the rear tire > > skiding more and more to the left as to feel that the bike was > > getting to be perpendicular to the road. So I released the rear > > brake, and the bike snapped into a straight line with a couple > > of quick counter steers. > > > Conclusion. > > Pay more attention to road. > > More practice with hard breaking. > > I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but > kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain > flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about > the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't > let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite > so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. > > However, don't forget to focus on the front brake, since it's the > front that's really gonna slow you down in time. I just don't see > the point of holding the rear brake locked until you stop. And what > if you don't stop? What if you slow down sharply but don't have to > come to a complete stop? At what point do you release the rear brake > that the MSF tells you to keep dragging?!? The MSF never answers that > question. Most likely because you would have the bike sideways at > that point. =8^o > > Dale (the "guess I'm still ranting" Horkster) > -- > Dale Horstman (the Horkster) > horkster@XXXXXX > Dale City, Virginia > > 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Plate: BGSLYR > 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 > 19?? ?? > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 16:24:26 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA27448 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta4.mcit.com (omta4.mcit.com [166.37.204.6]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id VAA32700; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:20:46 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta4.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990115212329.HNKT1406@toddnt>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 15:23:29 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , "Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO" Cc: "DC Cycles" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: <000201be40cd$22f88be0$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <369FA908.1A0FE8B0@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Dale Horstman wrote: > Holmes, Mitch LT DINFOS/JO wrote: > > > > When I took the MSF course, I was taught the grab-then-release > > technique if the motorcycle begins sliding sideways. > > Cool. I don't think it's part of the approved curriculum, but > kudos to your instructor for doing it right. :) > > > But we were also taught how to maintain a straight line while locking > > the rear wheel. That has served me well a couple of times. > > Are you talking about the exercise where you use the rear brake > only? I found that exercise to be great fun, but of no real > street value. Hooligan value, now? Oh yes, certainly. :) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ Absotively! Now, take a step further and start straight up and then go into a turn with the rear locked up. WooHOoo! Now that's fun. ;) Todd From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 17:41:29 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28747 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA23786; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:41:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199901152241.RAA23786@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: Kirk Roy , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:39:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Priority: normal References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) On 15 Jan 99, at 15:35, Kirk Roy wrote: > This advice has somewhat limited applicability. That is, if it seems like > you've overcooked the turn and you know it's true because something is > starting to scrape, leaning more may not be an option. :) Ahhhh... the memories that brings back... a lovely August morning... scraping peg for the first time... consciously trying to lean more, apply more throttle, look through the turn... and then my rear wheel was levered off the ground...oops! So much for good intentions! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 18:24:17 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29483 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:24:15 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 2GYDa01221; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:19:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <375c5453.369fcceb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:19:07 EST To: Horkster@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 This appears to be twilight zone time. I am in a frenzied flame war (with people I've never met) regarding rear brake usage on another list and I find a good-natured discussion on DC Cycles on the same subject. Oh well, got to get into an aggressive mood and respond to personal insults on the other list, ciao for now. Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 18:59:58 1999 Return-Path: mrider@XXXXXX Received: from server1.illuminet.net (root@XXXXXX [205.215.54.51]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00125 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrider.illuminet.net (cust033.quantico.illuminet.net [209.44.72.33]) by server1.illuminet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29340; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:02:55 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990115235523.006b5638@illuminet.net> X-Sender: mrider@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:55:23 -0500 To: Boiade@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX From: Leon Begeman Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Now that is the Twilight Zone, everyone here knows this should be the list with flames. My opinion - - Sometimes the rear wheel slides, sometimes it doesn't, the brake should always get released eventually. In the classroom, I follow the curriculum. I also recommend students practice all riding techniques in a safe place and on their own. Leon. At 06:19 PM 1/15/99 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >This appears to be twilight zone time. I am in a frenzied flame war (with >people I've never met) regarding rear brake usage on another list and I find a >good-natured discussion on DC Cycles on the same subject. Oh well, got to get >into an aggressive mood and respond to personal insults on the other list, >ciao for now. > >Fred > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 19:25:14 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00578 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id VNMPa20554; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:20:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:20:51 EST To: mrider@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, HolmesM@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/15/99 6:59:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mrider@XXXXXX writes: << Now that is the Twilight Zone, everyone here knows this should be the list with flames. >> Actually, being a list that is relatively local make flame wars less likely. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 21:27:41 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02564 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA27559 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA04948 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA23047 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:27:29 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6JUNa15290; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:22:16 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:22:16 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Government bldgs (even leased) in Arlington, VA retain Wash, DC addresses. Is that confusing? In a message dated 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > Subj: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. > Date: 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > > >On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: > >> Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? > > > >At 07:38 PM 1/13/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: > >You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, > >SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. > > > >I'm not sure why you are confused! > >Anita > > > Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of > Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond > shape, on the west side of the Potomac River). > > But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the > river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account > for your thinking it didn't exist. > > :-) > Chris Norloff > > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) > by air-yd02.mx.aol.com (v56.14) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:35 -0500 > Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) > by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id IAA17967; > Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:26 -0500 (EST) > Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix. > com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24471 for ; Thu, > 14 Jan 1999 08:13:33 -0500 (EST) > Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) > by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29944 > for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0500 (EST) > Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128. > 8.120.90]) > by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10468 > for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:28 -0500 (EST) > Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) > by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01255 > for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) > Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com > (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD75CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:25 EDT > Message-Id: <4.1.19990114081651.00fd0b50@XXXXXX> > X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:19:04 -0500 > To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX > From: Chris Norloff > Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. > In-Reply-To: <199901140040.TAA10106@XXXXXX> > References: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@XXXXXX> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 22:18:31 1999 Return-Path: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03325 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:18:29 -0500 (EST) From: STARAI@XXXXXX Received: from STARAI@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id CMABa27784; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:17:05 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <1b16a3d2.36a004b1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:17:05 EST To: Boiade@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 Are you recommending reliance on the front brake, using the rear break ilightly? From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 22:25:16 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03408 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28029 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:25:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA05768 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:25:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:21:36 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:27:04 -0500 Message-ID: <005701be4100$1697b8c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-reply-to: <369F6AE3.543A17D5@tidalwave.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal There should be a card in the owner's manual that you mail back to the company. Or go to the dealer with the new title. Given the quality of dealers around here, I'd go with the former. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Fri Jan 15 22:35:48 1999 Return-Path: zbig@XXXXXX Received: from suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (zbig@XXXXXX [149.52.55.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03627 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:35:46 -0500 (EST) From: zbig@XXXXXX Received: (from zbig@localhost) by suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29752; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:35:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901160335.WAA29752@suntan.zbnet.hrn.ascend.com> Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage To: STARAI@XXXXXX Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:35:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: Boiade@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <1b16a3d2.36a004b1@aol.com> from "STARAI@aol.com" at Jan 15, 99 10:17:05 pm Reply-To: zbig@XXXXXX (Zbigniew J. Tyrlik) X-Phone: (703)-689-6975 X-Organization: Organized ? Just kidding.. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text > > Are you recommending reliance on the front brake, using the rear break > ilightly? > Yes, unless you have a LBS (Linked Brakes System). Then use front lever only. If someone will tell you that with LBS you cannot lock rear wheel, ask Brian MC - he was behind me on 211 in June when I managed to lock rear in a classis panic situation. _zjt -- ******************************************************************** Zbigniew J. Tyrlik DoD# 0759 CBR1100XX - BBird kleks@XXXXXX Free thinker, traveller, poet, happy father and husband.... From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 04:20:49 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA11613 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:20:47 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 6GTRa19751; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:19:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7306d7a0.36a059ab@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 04:19:39 EST To: STARAI@XXXXXX, gixer@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/15/99 10:17:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, STARAI writes: << Are you recommending reliance on the front brake, using the rear break ilightly? >> I recommend that the use of the rear brake be an exception, used when coming to a stop in a straight line on dry pavement, when riding slowly on ice or gravel. What I believe it is dangerous to have rear brake usage become an instinctive action like pushing the brake pedal on the car. Under normal circumstances your first reaction in a panic situation should be to squeeze the front brake lever and leave the rear alone. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 09:35:53 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16103 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA04777 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA11989 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DY4E2HAE; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:38 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Help on buying used Message-ID: <19990116.093348.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> References: <005701be4100$1697b8c0$6e0000c0@demon.clinitec> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-8 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:35:38 EST On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:27:04 -0500 "George Howell" writes: >There should be a card in the owner's manual that you mail back to the >company. Or go to the dealer with the new title. > >Given the quality of dealers around here, I'd go with the former. Ouch. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 10:44:20 1999 Return-Path: bike.dealer@XXXXXX Received: from m21.boston.juno.com (m21.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.189]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17024 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bike.dealer@XXXXXX) by m21.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DY4JWDPU; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:43:17 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Regarding Rear Brakes Message-ID: <19990116.103914.8207.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-4,14-15,30-33 From: bike.dealer@XXXXXX (Bikes R Us) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:43:17 EST Anyone learn the "Slow, Look, Lean, Roll" braking/cornering method? The following is taken verbatim from MCN's October '98 Proficient Motorcycling article: "SLOW Approaching a curve, you need to decelerate to a speed at which you predict you can make the turn. Obviously, we'll roll off the throttle approaching tighter curves. Ideally, we will slow the bike before leaning over into the turn, and apply both brakes in addition to rolling off the gas. Why brake? Because braking on the front may be required to decelerate for conditions which only come into view as you get closer. If front braking isn't part of your cornering habits, your 'survival' reaction is likely to be standing on the rear brake (and then taking a soil sample). It's smart to brake with the bike vertical (while in a straight line), because that allows maximum-effort braking if needed." This is the method that I try to follow when cornering. Unfortunately, I learned to ride using the rear brake only and rode that way for years, so sometimes I find my first reaction is to jump on the rear brake in a panic situation. I have taught myself that the front brake is my friend and I am slowly unlearning my bad habit. I know the front brake handles most of the stopping, but I see no reason not to use the rear brake in most situations. OTOH, I am no racer (yet) so my way may not be right for anyone but me. OTOOH, I've not had an accident by failing to stop or to avoid something. I've only crashed by riding too slowly (drunk as a skunk) and falling over like Artie Johnson on a tricycle, or by the front wheel washing out in the entrance of my old gravel driveway which I attribute to too much lean angle for the road surface and to poor maintenance, because the left handgrip slipped off the bar right at that moment and I had known it was loose for days. Two really stupid reasons to crash... JohnDavid@Bikes R Us (Woo-ee-oo-ee-ooo, waa WAA waa) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 10:47:58 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17101 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.36] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A37848AC009E; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:42:48 EST Message-ID: <36A0B503.D1D94C6B@tidalwave.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:49:23 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <375c5453.369fcceb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: > > into an aggressive mood and respond to personal insults on the other list, > ciao for now. Kick 'em where it hurts, Fred! :) Dale (the Horkster) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA License Plate: BGSLYR 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 19?? ?? From dc-cycles-request Sat Jan 16 19:53:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25392 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA10457 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20332 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:53:38 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IUBWa20555; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:52:15 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6291f9d4.36a1343f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:52:15 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX, balt-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bad Business... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I hate to bad mouth a company in such a public forum, but I feel that if given more than enough chances to make good with no avail, this is how it has to be. Kiernan Racing Supplies still has not sent me a refund check for 2 tires and a pair of winter riding gloves that I ordered and never heard about. I contacted them on the 2nd of this month after numerous other times trying to contact them and they said they would send a refund, well, here it is the 16th and still nothing. I know snail mail is slow, but comeon.... I know some of you are personal friends or have had no problems with keith or KRS, and Im not trying to slander him, but I just felt if business is gonna be run like this, people should know so they dont suffer the same fate. Ok, done venting.... for now.... Sean.... 98 TLR From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 02:59:35 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA02461 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-59-110.s300.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.110]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA08710 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:59:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A199E9.C501D07F@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:06:02 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> <199901152241.RAA23786@radagast.wizard.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To an extent though the original advice holds true if you're dragging hard parts...By rolling on the throttle you can gain some of that ground clearance back and make the turn....but of course, this goes completely against natural instinct, and I'm talking just tapping down the hard parts, not once they are fully snugged up with the pavement and digging in :) At that point, you'd better hope the exit of the curve is opening up so you have somewhere to go! The beautiful thing about sport bikes is that the stock pegs fold up :) giving you all the ground clearance in the world.....Bikes stuck with a centerstand, on the other hand, there isn't much forgiveness once it meets the pavement.. > > On 15 Jan 99, at 15:35, Kirk Roy wrote: > > > This advice has somewhat limited applicability. That is, if it seems like > > you've overcooked the turn and you know it's true because something is > > starting to scrape, leaning more may not be an option. :) -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:01:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02544 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14879 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24155 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 02:58:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Fine job Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:03:52 -0500 Message-ID: <006401be41ef$ebc68e00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Kudos to Anita for a fine job organizing the trip to NY. 'Twas quite a bit of fun, and hopefully we can get her to plan it again next year. I know I couldn't have done that job. Special thanks goes out to everyone I met for the first time today who completely ruined the mental picture I had associated with your virtual persona. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:04:43 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02554 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:04:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14902 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24167 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:01:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: , Subject: RE: Bad Business... Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:06:52 -0500 Message-ID: <009f01be41f0$5762c5c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <6291f9d4.36a1343f@aol.com> Importance: Normal Can't comment on this particular business, but if you have a real gripe, you can report them to the US Postal Service for mail fraud (or whatever the crime is. If you are accurate in your reporting of events, they sound guilty of it.) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:11:15 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02680 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14973 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24243 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:07:38 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Bikes R Us" Cc: Subject: RE: Help on buying used Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:23 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401be41f1$406a88c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <19990116.093348.5271.0.bike.dealer@juno.com> Importance: Normal > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:27:04 -0500 "George Howell" > writes: > >There should be a card in the owner's manual that you mail back to the > >company. Or go to the dealer with the new title. > > > >Given the quality of dealers around here, I'd go with the former. > > Ouch. Hopefully, it's understood that that's a generality. We all have found dealers here and there who are great, helpful, courteous, etc, etc. And even in the poor dealerships, getting to know the right people (service guys and parts people!) helps get lots of things done after the purchase. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:13:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02816 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA14997 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:12:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24281 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-59-110.s300.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.110]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09354; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:12:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A19D10.3A4983E6@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:19:28 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Fine job References: <006401be41ef$ebc68e00$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Absolutely!! Great time. Good show, and the Team Extreme trials demonstration was beyond words! If you ever get the opportunity, GO SEE some of these type riders compete. Their overall control and knowledge of their bikes is incredible. As always, I see the normal 3 am gang is up and emailing ;-) Collin George Howell wrote: > > Kudos to Anita for a fine job organizing the trip to NY. 'Twas quite a bit > of fun, From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:13:42 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02826 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15003 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24285 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.24]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:10:07 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: <00a501be41f1$98f0e340$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A199E9.C501D07F@geocities.com> Importance: Normal > The beautiful thing about sport bikes is that the stock pegs fold up :) > giving you all the ground clearance in the world.....Bikes stuck with a > centerstand, on the other hand, there isn't much forgiveness once it > meets the pavement.. But if you've got a centrestand, all you have to do is grind enough of it down (on a grinding wheel or pavement: your choice) to the point where the pegs touch first:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 03:17:21 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02909 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA15032 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA24298 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-59-110.s300.tnt2.ann.erols.com [207.172.59.110]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09593 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:17:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A19E17.CC01B8A5@geocities.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 03:23:51 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Mailing List Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <00a501be41f1$98f0e340$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He he he... I'm working on it :) The maxim is getting there, but they used good steel for the center stand. Guess I better get out and ride more.... hope tomorrow is as warm and nice as they say it's supposed to be! George Howell wrote: > But if you've got a centrestand, all you have to do is grind enough of it > down (on a grinding wheel or pavement: your choice) to the point where the > pegs touch first:) > From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 10:32:55 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11289 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from anita (tc1-s4.wizard.net [206.161.15.34]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA21650 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:33:00 -0500 Message-ID: <00b301be422f$d110fc40$220fa1ce@anita> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: "'dc'" Subject: Bus Trip! [Long] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 10:41:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well, as the completey unbiased organizer of the trip, I'd have to say it was an unqualified success! :-) Everything worked out better than I could have expected, and none of my worries came true! Let's see... I've never done a "ride report" for a bus trip before.. but I'll give it a shot! :-) First miracle of the day... everyone showed up on time! Not "dc-cycles time" but really on time! Everyone was present and accounted for by 7:50 AM and we were on the road by 8:00 AM. And, boy, did we travel in style! I had no idea what to expect as far as the bus went.. but we got a humdinger! A $300K "motorcoach" that towered over everything else on the road... it seemed pretty much brand new, or at least extremely well-maintained. The sound system worked well, and the motorcycle videos went over very well. And, the onboard "facilities" were cramped, but very useable. The driver was a bit stuffy at first (never even told me his name!), but warmed up a bit by the time we got to NYC. He told us about a prime-picture taking opportunity, and even told a joke (sort of). I can definitely recommend National Coach of Fredericksburg for anyone planning a charter trip! Second miracle of the day... NO traffic on the way up... not even congestion at the toll plazas! We made it to the convention center in 3.5 hours... left at 8 am and were dropped off at 11:30 am. Now, my family is up in NY so I make the DC-NY trip a couple times year... I can only recall one trip in 17 years where I didn't hit *any* traffic. And, no, Scooter, those 10 cars at the Lincoln Tunnel toll plaza do not count as traffic! :-) There was a little bit of traffic on the way back, but we still made it in 4 hours or so, including a rest stop. And, yes, next time I'll make sure we stop on the way up! :-) We were just making such great time I thought it'd be better to just get there! I'll let others comment on the new bikes.. there were *tons* of them.. it was great to see stuff in person rather than in magazines. Didn't see anything I wanted to trade my GPZ for, but when I get that 10-bike garage I saw a few I'd add to my collection! :-) I ordered the Ventura rack and bag I had been wanting, and got a 15% show discount. I saw a lot of other people get off the bus with goodies, so I think the shopping was pretty good! :-) My only error (if you can call it that) was thinking I'd stay at the show for the whole time... that's too long. The best plan would be to do something else "touristy" while you are there. I know some people went over the Empire State Building. I wanted to go on the Circle Line boat tour, but the times didn't work out.. next year I'll call ahead and plan accordingly. For those of you who haven't done it before, the Circle Line is a great way to see the city. My other "change" would be to make some designated meeting times... the show is *so* big, and there are *so* many people, you just get lost. I saw Collin and Brian at 11:45 am, and then didn't run into anyone else I knew for 3 hours! I did hook up with some folks for dinner though.. and we were pleasantly surprised by the food and prices at the Gold Rush Bar & Grill just a few blocks from the convention center. I can definitely recommend that place if you're in the neighborhood! By the end of the day I know everyone was glad to see the bus pull up. There was some confusion on my part because I miscounted in the morning...so I thought we were missing someone (besides the person who was going to stay in NYC with a relative). At that point I was *very* tired! :-) We left about 8:30 pm to head back down here and arrived safely back at the commuter lot by 12:30 am or so. Overall, the trip far exceeded my expectations... no one got mugged (!!), we travelled in style for a great price, drooled over a bunch of great bikes, and we got to make lots of new friends! I have no problem doing it again next year! :-) Anita (tour guide extraordinaire!) From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 13:01:07 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13406 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA20172 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28351 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:01:01 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id WHVOa04329; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:59:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6eccee4d.36a2250a@aol.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:59:38 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fine job Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/17/99 3:06:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << Kudos to Anita for a fine job organizing the trip to NY. 'Twas quite a bit of fun, and hopefully we can get her to plan it again next year. I know I couldn't have done that job. Special thanks goes out to everyone I met for the first time today who completely ruined the mental picture I had associated with your virtual persona. :) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell >> Agreed. Anita did a GREAT job and I can't wait 'til next year. Maybe I'll have more money to buy stuff. :-) Yes, I'll take that $600 helmet and $300 leather jacket. hehe I didn't realize I had a virtual persona. I just thought I had a holographic projection of myself. Scooter From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 13:03:08 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA13409 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 13:03:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.48]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:49:31 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX>, "'dc'" Subject: RE: Bus Trip! [Long] Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 12:55:22 -0500 Message-ID: <00b401be4242$8d985cc0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <00b301be422f$d110fc40$220fa1ce@anita> Importance: Normal Note for next year: Beware the tapes of death. When I dropped that one out of the bin last night, I was sure it was gonna hit the driver:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Sun Jan 17 23:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22305 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.44.172.153] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A6BA48201C4; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:21:14 EST Message-ID: <36A2B849.E0C74DC@tidalwave.net> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:27:53 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tracy at Work Subject: Oh Happy Day! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Made a little purchase today. Tracy has been wanting to upgrade for a while from her 1987 Suzuki Savage to a bike that is a little more suitable for relaxed touring with me on vacation, as well as commuting to work. She also wants more cargo capacity and weather protection than what the Savage provides (ahem - NONE!). She also wanted a bike with a slightly more sporty disposition so that she can have fun in the twisties like Dear Husband. She has also been hinting around at possibly trying out this Long Distance riding stuff on her own. She needed something better. Much, much better. :) Me, I sensed the opportunity to add another Kawasaki to the stable. :) Anyway, long story short, we are now the proud owners of a (ANOTHER) 1998 Kawasaki Concours! I rode the bike home today - 1 previous owner, garage kept, wonderful condition, low miles, and a deal that I just couldn't pass up. This is one sweet machine. I should know. :) Tracy and I are gonna look pretty cute on the road now with our matching bikes. I guess that means now I'll have to wash mine occasionally. Her's is a given. Of course! :) Here's hoping that Tracy will enjoy and love her new bike as much as I love mine! -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 01:05:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA23879 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27273 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08361 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:02:13 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Tracy at Work" , "Dale Horstman" Subject: RE: Oh Happy Day! Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:08:11 -0500 Message-ID: <00f401be42a8$ed44ca80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A2B849.E0C74DC@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal Please, oh please tell me they aren't color matched. Congratulations. That should be quite a jump up from the Savage. You should go get a hack fitted to one and finally get rid of the cages:) ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 01:34:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24241 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA27490 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA08662 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.31]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:30:55 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: Harley model designations Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:36:53 -0500 Message-ID: <00f501be42ac$efd6ea40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal http://www.harley-davidson.com/products/motorcycles/alpha/alpha.asp Click on that to get the official answer to "what is a FXSRTJANCJFK?" ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 01:37:39 1999 Return-Path: zellto@XXXXXX Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.157]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA24320 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:37:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zellto (client-151-200-16-190.bellatlantic.net [151.200.16.190]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA13144 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:38:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003801be42ad$3d980160$be10c897@zellto.bellatlantic.net> From: "Thomas and Jeannette" To: "DC-Cycles" Subject: Re: YMMV Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:39:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Well... despite having the VFR down for a good two and a half months for a rebuild and being sick for almost two months with pneumonia... gee thanks Brian ;-) ... and a bunch of other things I still managed to put about 8000 miles on the old VFR! I was really suprised... -Tom '86 VFR750 -----Original Message----- From: Todd Peer To: DC-Cycles Date: Thursday, January 14, 1999 5:00 PM Subject: YMMV >Been meaning to bring this topic up for a couple days now and since it's on >my mind, here it is. Anybody remember the mileage for the year wars we had >around march of last year? > >Well, my personal goal was to get around 20,000 miles for the year in 1998. >My actual total for 1998 was 28,500 miles ridden with close to 8,000 of >those miles put on my CB750...WooHOOO! It certainly helped that I put an >additional 8,500 miles on the ST1100 riding cross country and back. > >My 1999 goal is 30,000 miles, but I wouldn't mind if I beat that one too :-) > >So, let's hear it all you Long Distance Riders, and not just the IBA types. >I'm willing to bet there are some lurkers here who are more interested in >riding then typing ;) > >Todd >ST1100 >CB750 >VF500F >Member AMA, HSTA, HRCA, IBA > > From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 07:11:32 1999 Return-Path: dthompso1@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA00311 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 95 (207-172-109-110.s47.as2.war.erols.com [207.172.109.110]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19776 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:11:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901181211.HAA19776@smtp3.erols.com> From: "D. Thompson" To: Subject: Great Job Anita Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 07:15:34 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you that went on the NYC trip, great time, good to meet many of you, and GREAT JOB ANITA! For those of you who missed it.....oops, it was a winner. Thanks Anita for all the planning and hard work that went into making this trip so pleasant. Danny '96 VFR "...Those who honor me, I will honor,..." 1 Samuel 2:30 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 09:18:06 1999 Return-Path: jstpeter@XXXXXX Received: from server.va.chesapeake-systems.com (machine01.intelx.com [209.117.191.130]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02201 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by machine01.intelx.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:19:56 -0500 Message-ID: <01C55782BA47D011ABAB006097297A842912F0@machine01.intelx.com> From: "Jay St. Peter" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Thanks Anita Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:19:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain I also want to thank Anita for putting on the trip. I am always impressed by people who can organize events like this. Especially with people like me who mail their checks on the day they're due, then send an e-mail saying "the check is in the mail" (sorry about that). Fortunately, Collins' brother in law managed to get me there on-time (kind of rare for me). The show was good and I managed to go to the top of the empire state bldg. Went for dinner/guiness at the blarney stone. Good place! As and added bonus, the Guiness knocked me out on the trip home. I managed to get my sleep even though I had to get up early the next morning. Thanks again Anita Jay St. Peter From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 09:42:46 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02586 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:42:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02267 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA14309 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [208.220.25.48] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A75017801C6; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:38:08 EST Message-ID: <36A348E3.7F0F448D@tidalwave.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 09:44:51 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Howell CC: DC Cycles Mailing List , Tracy at Work Subject: Re: Oh Happy Day! References: <00f401be42a8$ed44ca80$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Howell wrote: > > Please, oh please tell me they aren't color matched. I don't have a choice. All 98 Connies are "Luminous Windsor Green and Cosmic Grey" - two-toned no less! I think it'll look pretty cool! :) > Congratulations. That should be quite a jump up from the Savage. You > should go get a hack fitted to one and finally get rid of the cages:) Wouldn't that be a hoot?! Especially if I get that really trick sidecar that actually leans with the bike! What a blast that would be.... :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 11:47:18 1999 Return-Path: 2xracers@XXXXXX Received: from radagast.wizard.net (root@XXXXXX [206.161.15.5]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04534 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from crxja001.wachovia.com ([199.4.241.11]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA31622 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:47:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199901181647.LAA31622@radagast.wizard.net> From: "Anita Lauro" <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:45:23 -0500 Subject: DC Area Riders "Club" on Yahoo Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) I thought I'd repost the information on the "club" I set up on Yahoo since we have some new people on dc-cycles. The URL is: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders Basically, I used Yahoo's free "club" feature to setup an online site for DC area motorcyclists. There are a number of sections: Messages - [self explanatory] Photos - upload a photo, or link to one on a website Chat - Online chat room News - Quick source for local weather and headlines Links - Add a link to your favorite web page Calendar - Motorcycle related events This is not a dc-cycles specific site, and is not meant to be a replacement for dc-cycles in any way. I started out looking for a solution to the "where does the ride start" messages that sometimes get posted too late for the person to get a reply before the ride starts. It turns out that the Yahoo site has some nice features, and I think it'll be a useful resource. You do have to "register" for a Yahoo ID, but that just takes a couple minutes, and you can be anonymous if you like. Anyhow, just thought I'd mention the site again! :-) Anita From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 12:00:33 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp2.erols.com (smtp2.erols.com [207.172.3.235]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04826 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-99-211.s211.tnt13.ann.erols.com [207.172.99.211]) by smtp2.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21444 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:05:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A369CB.C4AC6394@geocities.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:05:15 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DC Cycles Subject: Honda Wiring? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey ya'll, I've got a question to relay from Brian. Can anyone out there who has a wiring diagram for an F2/F3 send me the wiring info for the right hand switch gearie run/stop switch, starter button, etc.)?? Brian's working on modifying the F2 gear to match his VFR's wiring and there is one wire difference in the two and he wants to make sure he gets it right... Thanks for any help Collin -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 12:29:01 1999 Return-Path: shephar1@XXXXXX Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05250 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA26566 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 11:27:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from mar-wv10-52.ix.netcom.com(206.217.114.180) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026548; Mon Jan 18 11:27:38 1999 Message-ID: <000e01be4307$b8cfa2c0$b472d9ce@uspppshephar1> From: "Ken" To: Subject: Re: DC Area Riders "Club" on Yahoo Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:26:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 I will second Anitas reccomendation on the Yahoo site, I have had some = fun IRC style chats on other MC related sites on Yahoo, and to get the = ball rolling posted a bike pic on the Scrapbook. Thats probably useful = since after the trip on saturday I realized I knew people better by = their email addresses and bikes than by their face and names. Ken S. HDKnight1 on AOL Instant messenger HDKnight1 on Yahoo Pager kshephard@XXXXXX 1996 XLH 1200 Ride Safe Inwood, WV -----Original Message----- From: Anita Lauro <2xracers@XXXXXX> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: DC Area Riders "Club" on Yahoo >I thought I'd repost the information on the "club" I set up on Yahoo=20 >since we have some new people on dc-cycles.=20 > >The URL is: >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/dcareariders > >Basically, I used Yahoo's free "club" feature to setup an online site=20 >for DC area motorcyclists. There are a number of sections: From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 13:33:40 1999 Return-Path: cfagan@XXXXXX Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06317 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from big-daddy (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with SMTP id NAA10881 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:33:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990118133755.006cbc7c@pop.erols.com> X-Sender: cfagan@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:37:55 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Collin T. Fagan" Subject: [gsxr] GSX-R600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeezzz.... even the GSXR guys give me a hard time ;-) At least they don't know that I don't know the metric system ;-) >Koumis, Bill wrote: > > sorry, your right, the D207's I'm using are street not Gp's. > > My question is: How hard do you push the bike around corners, and are >you > aware when you reach the potential of the tyres. > >I'm not in the Collin Fagen category--I don't even scrape my pegs, let >alone the magneto cover! But I do get the knee down, and the road seems >pretty darn close >to my shoulders. _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 14:20:09 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07158 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06338 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21824 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:20:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from kcig1.att.att.com by kcgw1.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/UPAS-1.0) for cs.umd.edu!dc-cycles sender dcn.att.com!jcarver (dcn.att.com!jcarver); Mon Jan 18 13:19 CST 1999 Received: from dcn73.dcn.att.com (dcn73.nova.att.com [135.44.68.33]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/IPNS/GW-1.0) with SMTP id NAA00179 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:19:50 -0600 (CST) Received: by dcn73.dcn.att.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BE42ED.945C9390@XXXXXX>; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:19:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Carver, John" To: "'dc-cycles@XXXXXX'" Subject: Book Value Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 14:19:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would someone please e-mail me directly with a URL that lists car prices? (I'm having trouble locating a site which has a listing for a 1985 vehicle) TIA John 98VFR From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 16:58:58 1999 Return-Path: ghowell@XXXXXX Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09836 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from WS111 (unverified [207.226.128.35]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 16:49:57 -0500 Reply-To: From: "George Howell" Sender: "George Howell" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: George's opinions.. WAS: VZ800 Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be432c$f5710780$6f0000c0@WS111.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal Disposition-Notification-To: "George Howell" In-Reply-To: <199812171908.OAA08784@meretrix.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Actually, yes, I like many bikes besides the BMW. If you'd take notice, I'm quite enamored of my Kawasaki Eliminator. 600cc Cruiser that will likely accelerate the pants off most any 800cc bike. Why don't I ride it more? Not enough room for me and a passenger. Considering 80% of my riding is two-up, that's important. Otherwise, I quite like the bike. It also did a fair job in the guise of starter bike for myself, my brother, and re-entry bike for my father. I also enjoy my GL1100 Interstate. Wouldn't have anything else for touring ('cept perhaps a newer Wing or Valkyrie). The comfort is there, it's not overly heavy, and it's mechanically simple enough to work on. BTW, it's not new. It was made in late 1980 as a 1981 model. So much for your new bike theory. And lest you accuse me of being a brand loyalist, I'll be the first (or second) of pointing out functional failings on the part of BMWs. Let's take the R12C. Why make a larger twin with barely as much torque and less horsepower than your 1100? It didn't increase the 'Harley' lope or sound, so why bother? Why drop the smaller displacement twins and triples? Good bikes that were shunned by the public. Lighten up. Somebody asks for opinions, they get 'em. It's free advice, and he's free to pay attention or ignore as he pleases. FYI, I shopped cruisers for a long time before getting the Eliminator. At the price, at the time, it was the most functional bike. A year later, IMNSHO, the market was a bit soft. This year's prospects are better. Next year and the year after that should be banner years for cruisers. Finally the Japanese manufacturers have been forced to make more attractive bikes, while HD, the perennially underpowered (stock) patriotic fave is getting some power under their belts. There is no reason that the Japanese manufacturers can't follow suit and then some. Look at the new engine in the Royal Star full-dresser; why wasn't that available before? When a YZF R6 can make 200 hp/liter, why can't someone get 80 out of an 800cc twin? -George ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX -----Original Message----- From: McCoy, Brian NAB02 [mailto:Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 2:05 PM To: 'dc' Subject: Georges opinions.. WAS: VZ800 George, I may be wrong.. but when have you owned one of these bikes? And do you have ANYTHING good to say about any bike beyond your precious BMW? From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 17:18:52 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10160 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08620 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA26260 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.34]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:15:11 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "Dale Horstman" Cc: "DC Cycles Mailing List" , "Tracy at Work" Subject: RE: Oh Happy Day! Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:21:18 -0500 Message-ID: <015601be4330$dec50e60$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-reply-to: <36A348E3.7F0F448D@tidalwave.net> Importance: Normal > I don't have a choice. All 98 Connies are "Luminous Windsor > Green and Cosmic Grey" - two-toned no less! I think it'll > look pretty cool! :) I was afraid of that... But you don't have matching bowling jackets, do you? > Wouldn't that be a hoot?! Especially if I get that really trick > sidecar that actually leans with the bike! What a blast that would > be.... :) Look at the Armec hacks. Definitely cool. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 18:23:54 1999 Return-Path: jckozyn@XXXXXX Received: from relay1.mnsinc.com (relay1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.25]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11151 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (kozyn.mnsinc.com [206.55.25.101]) by relay1.mnsinc.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA10780 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:23:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A3ED46.7C07@mnsinc.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:26:14 -0800 From: "John C. Kozyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dc-cycles Subject: ESPN - Daytona Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gang, This came in from the VF/VFR list. You know, once you attain critical mass, magic things start happening. Send your feedback and encourage your friends to do the same! JK ========================= > For U.S. listers: > In case you haven't heard, ESPN is planning on showing the Daytona 200 > *tape delayed* rather than live. If you think this idea stinks and you'd > rather see it live now is the time to start letting them know. > You can send them a note via their web page at > http://espn.go.com/sitetools/contact/lettersespn.html > But, as always, snail mail makes a more powerful impression: > ESPN, Inc. > ESPN Plaza > Bristol, CT 06010 > Let's give 'em hell. From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 18:34:01 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11306 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:33:59 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8JCa007005; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:31:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8ff54208.36a3c452@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:31:30 EST To: ghowell@XXXXXX, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: George's opinions.. WAS: VZ800 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/18/99 5:09:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, ghowell@XXXXXX writes: << When a YZF R6 can make 200 hp/liter, why can't someone get 80 out of an 800cc twin? >> Ducati gets about 160-170 from a 996cc twin race bike. But you need overhead cams, desmodromic valves, fuel injection etc. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 18:55:21 1999 Return-Path: wowbager@XXXXXX Received: from stmpy.cais.net (stmpy.cais.net [199.0.216.101]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11635 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (dynamic239.cl8.cais.net [205.177.20.239]) by stmpy.cais.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16192 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:54:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990118185214.006bc178@mail.dc.net> X-Sender: wowbager@XXXXXX X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 18:52:14 -0800 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike B." Subject: Thanx Anita! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The trip was a lot of fun. Kudos, to another of our "cat herders" Great job Anita. Mike 98 ZX900R From dc-cycles-request Mon Jan 18 23:46:32 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16193 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12930 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA03830 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:46:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from Demon (unverified [207.226.128.42]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.6) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:42:52 -0500 From: "George Howell" To: "DC Cycles Mailing List" Subject: sorry! Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01c701be4367$09ed6d40$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sorry to everyone. It seems that my mail program at work resent some mail from a month or so ago. Stupid M$ products. ---------------------------------------- -George Howell ghowell@XXXXXX ghowell@XXXXXX georgehowell@XXXXXX "I ride because dogs have the right idea about car windows" From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 01:31:36 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17868 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA14826 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05241 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:31:26 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4ROPa05501 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:30:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <614e771e.36a42686@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:30:30 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Ursulina And Collin--- Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Collin, just wanted to say thanks for the mirror, Ray dropped it off to me on sunday. I really do appreciate it. Hopefully all this hard work to get it back on the road will pay off. I am hoping to take the MARRC school with Jack in May. Anyway, thanks again. Ursulina, Ray dropped off a package to me to send to you, he said he was leaving ona trip and couldnt get to the post office. I will go there tomorrow and send it priority mail to you. Just wanted you to know, it is coming. wouldve been out sooner, but forgot about MLK day... Ok, thats it. Take it easy... Sean... PS, Im still looking for parts for a TLR, so keep an eye out for me... =) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 01:56:11 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA18190 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15013 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA05551 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16993; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:56:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A42EBF.F1F5C136@geocities.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:05:35 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Ursulina And Collin--- References: <614e771e.36a42686@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Glad to hear that you got the mirror ok..hope it fits ;-) OOOOOhhhhhhh more racers on the list!!!! Look forward to seeing you at the track..let me know if you ever need any help getting things together... Collin CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX wrote: > > Collin, just wanted to say thanks for the mirror, Ray dropped it off to me on > sunday. I really do appreciate it. Hopefully all this hard work to get it > back on the road will pay off. I am hoping to take the MARRC school with Jack > in May. Anyway, thanks again. -- _________________________________________ Collin and Penny Fagan LT, U.S. Coast Guard (202) 366-0067 (work) (703) 356-4279 (home) ICQ UIN: 435732 http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/5280/ (us, bikes, reptiles, and more) http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/9350/ (racing page) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 07:40:47 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24541 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:40:03 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:39:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Don't forget too Zbig that you have the last generation LBS on your XX. On mine the rear is very, very hard to lock up. Glenn > If someone will tell you that with LBS you cannot lock rear wheel, ask > Brian MC - he was behind me on 211 in June when I managed to lock rear > in a classis panic situation. > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 09:23:49 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26140 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A56CC504F2; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:23:40 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119091444.01808140@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:29:11 -0500 To: Dale Horstman , "Suazo, Tony" From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Cc: DC Cycles In-Reply-To: <369FA0FA.43651BA8@tidalwave.net> References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E45E@ZEUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:11 PM 1/15/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >I've ranted about this before, I generally have nothing but >kind words to say about the MSF, but they are absolutely plain >flat out wrong about this one. (I know Dale, quit beating about >the bush...) If the rear locks up, release and reapply, don't >let it skid. If you do it fast enough, the rear won't step quite >so far out of line, and it won't snap back into line quite so hard. The MSF teaches a curriculum that has undergone a lot of modification in its 25 or 30 years of existence. When I first started teaching I thought I could improve in many areas, and I was wrong. They have 25+ years of teaching experience; I don't. A lot of MSF advice is given to provide the best answer for the most common situations for the most common kinds of riders. That generally means less experienced riders in highway situations. "Leave the rear brake locked until you're stopped" is safe in that you won't high-side, and if you continue to concentrate on the front brake (as the MSF always emphasizes) you'll stop just about as quickly - the rear brake adds little or nothing to maximum braking. In fact, I've reviewed studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear and concentrating on the front - because their concentration was better spent on the front than divided on both the front and rear brakes. In addition, in a panic situation it's easier to remember to keep the rear brake locked than to remember the rules about releasing the rear brake. More advanced riders can release the rear brake if they know that the rear wheel has not stepped out too far and/or they are on a low-friction surface and still beware that the bike can flick back the other way and try to high-side them if they make a mistake. I don't think the MSF is wrong, I think their advice is good for most situations for most riders, and their advice won't get you spit off the bike in a nasty high-side. Advanced riders can try advanced maneuvers. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 10:48:56 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27554 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20636 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA14090 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A95E4E005A6; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:46 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119104751.017de800@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:50:03 -0500 To: From: Chris Norloff Subject: RE: Bad Business... In-Reply-To: <009f01be41f0$5762c5c0$6e0000c0@Demon.CLINITEC> References: <6291f9d4.36a1343f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:06 AM 1/17/99 , George Howell wrote: >Can't comment on this particular business, but if you have a real gripe, you >can report them to the US Postal Service for mail fraud (or whatever the >crime is. If you are accurate in your reporting of events, they sound guilty >of it.) The last time I had serious trouble with someone doing business through the mail I turned them in for mail fraud (Post Office complaint form) then filed a formal complaint with the Federal Trade Commission. They gave up and sent me a wussy letter of apology. You want to threaten them? Threaten them with turning gov't agencies against them ... they really hate that. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 10:48:58 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27553 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20637 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.120.90]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14091 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA23510 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A95A4E005A6; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:42 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119104310.017d3b30@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:44:02 -0500 To: STARAI@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yup. I think a lot of that is where the mail is processed. Working with the Navy, with their offices in Crystal City, we used both a formal Washington DC address and a more typical Arlington address. Chris Norloff At 09:22 PM 1/15/99 , STARAI@XXXXXX wrote: >Government bldgs (even leased) in Arlington, VA retain Wash, DC addresses. Is >that confusing? > >In a message dated 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > >> Subj: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. >> Date: 1/14/99 8:18:35 AM Eastern Standard Time >> From: cnorloff@XXXXXX (Chris Norloff) >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> >> >On 13 Jan 99, at 19:14, Eternity23@XXXXXX wrote: >> >> Isn't SW DC better known as "Arlington"? >> > >> >At 07:38 PM 1/13/99 , Anita Lauro wrote: >> >You do know that DC is divided into quadrants, right? NW, NE, >> >SW, SE... and Scott lives near L'Enfant Plaza, which is in SW. >> > >> >I'm not sure why you are confused! >> >Anita >> >> >> Historically, a large part of what was SW DC is gone, and is now part of >> Arlington, Falls Church, and Alexandria (the completion of the diamond >> shape, on the west side of the Potomac River). >> >> But yes, there is DC south and west of the Capitol, before you get to the >> river. There's a lot of government buildings there, which might account >> for your thinking it didn't exist. >> >> :-) >> Chris Norloff >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- >> Return-Path: >> Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) >> by air-yd02.mx.aol.com (v56.14) with SMTP; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:35 -0500 >> Received: from meretrix.com (dirty.meretrix.com [209.116.254.17]) >> by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) >> with ESMTP id IAA17967; >> Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:18:26 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by >meretrix. >> com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA24471 for ; Thu, >> 14 Jan 1999 08:13:33 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) >> by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA29944 >> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:30 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX >[128. >> 8.120.90]) >> by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10468 >> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:28 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) >> by saltmines.umiacs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01255 >> for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:27 -0500 (EST) >> Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com >> (SMTPD32-4.06) id AD75CA0384; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:13:25 EDT >> Message-Id: <4.1.19990114081651.00fd0b50@XXXXXX> >> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX >> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 >> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:19:04 -0500 >> To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX >> From: Chris Norloff >> Subject: Re: Huh...? A geography question.. >> In-Reply-To: <199901140040.TAA10106@XXXXXX> >> References: <5f4d3110.369d36ea@XXXXXX> >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 10:49:12 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27558 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A95D4E005A6; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:48:45 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990119104605.017dc4b0@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:47:28 -0500 To: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)", dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage In-Reply-To: <36A199E9.C501D07F@geocities.com> References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> <199901152241.RAA23786@XXXXXX> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 03:06 AM 1/17/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: >To an extent though the original advice holds true if you're dragging >hard parts...By rolling on the throttle you can gain some of that ground >clearance back and make the turn....but of course, this goes completely >against natural instinct, and I'm talking just tapping down the hard >parts, not once they are fully snugged up with the pavement and digging >in :) At that point, you'd better hope the exit of the curve is opening >up so you have somewhere to go! Does anyone ever hang off more at that point, to get the bike more upright? Or is that just too much to do then, or as a racer do you figure you're already hung off as far as you can go? Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:15:42 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28077 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:15:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id PAA00137; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:14:24 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990119161505.PIGX5654@toddnt>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:15:05 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Chris Norloff" , <"Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)"@meretrix.com>, Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:14:15 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01be43c6$c21d0560$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990119104605.017dc4b0@mail.toward.com> Chris Norloff wrote > At 03:06 AM 1/17/99 , Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX) wrote: > >To an extent though the original advice holds true if you're dragging > >hard parts...By rolling on the throttle you can gain some of that ground > >clearance back and make the turn....but of course, this goes completely > >against natural instinct, and I'm talking just tapping down the hard > >parts, not once they are fully snugged up with the pavement and digging > >in :) At that point, you'd better hope the exit of the curve is opening > >up so you have somewhere to go! > > > Does anyone ever hang off more at that point, to get the bike > more upright? > Or is that just too much to do then, or as a racer do you figure you're > already hung off as far as you can go? I don't race motorcycles, but I can tell you that if you attempt to change your body position while leaned over this much, you are testing fate and upsetting the rolling dynamics of (an assumed) stable chassis. I know it, as I have tested fate in the past. Very disconcerting. Just watching the pros on TV or at the track gives you some indication that the best time to hang off is before the turn as you are setting up. Todd From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:30:20 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28342 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1F5A880124; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:25:25 EST Message-ID: <36A4B307.AF608040@tidalwave.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:29:59 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Norloff CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage References: <311E65DE4D34D1118EEB0000F62EC39139E463@ZEUS> <199901152241.RAA23786@XXXXXX> <4.1.19990119104605.017dc4b0@XXXXXX> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Norloff wrote: > > Does anyone ever hang off more at that point, to get the bike more upright? > Or is that just too much to do then, or as a racer do you figure you're > already hung off as far as you can go? Yeah, when I start to scrape hard bits, I'll shift more bodyweight over to that side to help pick the bike up. I won't humor anybody by claiming that I hang off, it'll be a long long time before I ever get a knee down. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) horkster@XXXXXX Dale City, Virginia 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:41:23 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28472 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:41:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901191641.LAA28472@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:40:53 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: DC Cycles Racing.. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:36:51 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) > -----Original Message----- > > OOOOOhhhhhhh more racers on the list!!!! Look forward to > seeing you at > the track..let me know if you ever need any help getting things > together... This offer goes for myself as well. ANYONE with an interest in racing, feel free to talk to either Collin or myself. We can answer most all of your questions you might have in regards to getting started, bike setup, the (opinioned) best way to go about it, and such and so-forth. As of right now, we have 4 racers that are members of DC Cycles Racing.. Collin Fagan, Jay St. Peter, Joe Nagy and myself, Brian McCoy. This is by no means closed just to us.. the idea behind the team effort is to have lots of hands around to help out. To be able to cut back on the number of tools brought to the track (you only need to bring one standard set, and then specifics for your bike). We can cram about 5 bikes under the Canopy .. so you have shade.. Several months ago, I asked for some help with a logo design, noone managed to get back to me.. so we're going without (unless someone offers to help now.. already have the idea, we all just suck at design.. :P). Things to look at if you're interested in local racing.. http://marrc.nova.org Is the site of the local racing org. Lots of info about the track, racing, and the org. itself (heh, CORNERWORKING!!). We have a page too.. though I can't remember what it is.. Collin? The season starts April 1 with a tune and test day.. licensed racers only, with the first race April 10th. Cycle Sport puts on 2 track days each year, they cost $125.. and are well worth the money. There's not really any instruction, but for the kind of money, you can get LOTS of track time. Worth every penny IMHO. Anyway.. enough spam about the track and racing (for now).. again, any questions? Contact myself.. Collin will answer Q's as well.. Ride safe.. Brian McCoy From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:47:04 1999 Return-Path: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX Received: from mcxmail04.usace.army.mil (mcxmail04.usace.army.mil [137.161.200.222]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28639 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:47:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901191647.LAA28639@meretrix.com> Received: by mcxmail04.usace.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:46:56 -0800 From: "McCoy, Brian NAB02" To: "'dc'" Subject: F2 front fender.. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:35:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Just curious if anyone out there has an F2 front fender they'd be willing to lend or sell... Also, Glenn.. what was the phone number of that shop that does braided lines? Ack, Anita.. thanks for organizing the trip.. it was funn (heck, what else can I say here?) And.. finally.. BYE.. Brian (heh) From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:55:24 1999 Return-Path: jnewman@XXXXXX Received: from bmdo.mcri.com (root@XXXXXX [207.124.52.19] (may be forged)) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28735 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [470] ([192.168.13.117]) by bmdo.mcri.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA14028 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:56:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199901191756.MAA14028@bmdo.mcri.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Newman" To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:53:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Title Search Companies Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Has anyone had any experience working with a title search company? Apparently they help people get the paperwork together to register rebuilt salvage bikes, as well as people with screwed up titles like me :-( The one I am thinking of using is called Tidewater Title Search Anyone heard of it? -John Newman 1988 FZR 400 From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 11:56:55 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28745 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:56:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22308 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16577 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: WantAZX6@XXXXXX Received: from WantAZX6@XXXXXX by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id SMZEa23166 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:55:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <670caff0.36a4b91c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:55:56 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 190 You can include myself on that list of "DC Cycles Racing" if you so choose. Id be happy to help out as I can...I sure know Ill need some myself! Jack PS- coincidentally, my leathers, gloves, and boots are red/black/white...that sign or what? From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 12:46:51 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29619 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:45:57 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'McCoy, Brian NAB02'" , "'dc'" Subject: RE: F2 front fender.. Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:45:39 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Hi Performance Hardware 5912 N. Washington Blvd Arlington, VA (703) 534-1626 The guy who owns the shop has 0 personality but he does make a decent line. Speaking of the show... Todd, Tom Gimer and I ran into a bunch of you but we were surprised we didn't see more. Where the heck were some of you hiding? Glenn > Just curious if anyone out there has an F2 front fender they'd be willing > to > lend or sell... > > Also, Glenn.. what was the phone number of that shop that does braided > lines? > > Ack, Anita.. thanks for organizing the trip.. it was funn (heck, what else > can I say here?) > > From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 17:52:10 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04981 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28395 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA01365 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1RWVa01223; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:40:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2967b5d4.36a509d3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:40:19 EST To: tl1000s@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Looks good on a TLR, maybe.....? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 I have gotten an order for new fairings in, and gotten a price on a paint job, now I need graphics. I think this kit will be what Im gonna get. Just trim up the gsxr part on the front so it just says R..... The paint is going to be a pearl white job. Anyone have any thoughts? http://www.tapeworks.com/Pages/5507.html Sean... From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 18:31:47 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05671 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:31:45 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 9OHTa04795; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:27:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:27:59 EST To: cnorloff@XXXXXX, Horkster@XXXXXX, SuazoT@XXXXXX Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/19/99 9:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: << I've reviewed studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear >> Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing this when discussing MSF. Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? Since all my safety courses were taken in Europe (Italy) many years ago and rear brake use is a no no there (it is described as equivalent to the emergency brake on an automobile), I am curious. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 18:37:42 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05768 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:37:41 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 4SWUa04794; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:34:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <66a106e0.36a51696@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:34:46 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/19/99 11:46:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Things to look at if you're interested in local racing.. >> Brian, I think I told you that I was considering rewiring the VFR (it's all drilled) and racing it Vintage 6, I know, the GSXRs will eat me up. It really depends on how business goes if I have enough time. What I need to do is get the bike prepared and/or get a race ready bike to pass the spring MARRC school, I don't think they accept an expired (25 years) FIM license. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 18:47:59 1999 Return-Path: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05957 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:47:58 -0500 (EST) From: Boiade@XXXXXX Received: from Boiade@XXXXXX by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 1JBQa27768; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:38:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:38:05 EST To: jnewman@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Title Search Companies Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 In a message dated 1/19/99 12:01:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, jnewman@XXXXXX writes: << Has anyone had any experience working with a title search company? >> Actually, the easiest way to get a title is to get a copy of Hennings Motor News and call one of the Alabama title outfits. They will get you a title for a bike (needs to be a few years old don't remember how old) right away and with only $100 or so. Alabama has vehicle title laws written by car thieves. Ciao, Fred From dc-cycles-request Tue Jan 19 19:34:56 1999 Return-Path: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06717 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:34:55 -0500 (EST) From: ScooterFZR@XXXXXX Received: from ScooterFZR@XXXXXX by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id 8VCWa00804; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:25:14 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <6ed4a8b4.36a5226a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:25:14 EST To: Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX, dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 226 In a message dated 1/19/99 11:46:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Brian.P.McCoy@XXXXXX writes: << Several months ago, I asked for some help with a logo design, noone managed to get back to me.. so we're going without (unless someone offers to help now.. already have the idea, we all just suck at design.. :P). >> Brian, one of the guys on the other list I'm on is a graphic designer. He created the logo on our website, www.exupbrotherhood.com (upper left corner of site). He also designed our t-shirts (did a great job). I'm sure he can come up with something for you. His name is Todd Hanson and his e-mail is thanson@XXXXXX. Just tell him Scooter sent you and ask nice. :-) Scooter From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 08:19:36 1999 Return-Path: harris@XXXXXX Received: from mail.his.com (root@XXXXXX [205.177.25.9]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA19622 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from harris (harris.his.com [205.252.80.17]) by mail.his.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15154 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:19:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990120081341.008d2be0@mail.his.com> X-Sender: harris@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:13:41 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: Stephen Harris Subject: Re: DC Cycles Racing.. In-Reply-To: <66a106e0.36a51696@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:34 PM 1/19/99 EST, Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >In a message dated 1/19/99 11:46:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, >I think I told you that I was considering rewiring the VFR (it's all drilled) >and racing it Vintage 6, I know, the GSXRs will eat me up. It really depends Dean Middleton won V6 on a VF750 a few years ago. It was a borrowed bike, very trick. If you really want to clean house in V6, buy my '87 FZR1000. The front end is already drilled, typically winning times in v6 are 1:23 or so. >on how business goes if I have enough time. What I need to do is get the bike >prepared and/or get a race ready bike to pass the spring MARRC school, I don't >think they accept an expired (25 years) FIM license. It would be CCS or WERA or other sanctioning body that decides what licence is accptible. Call them and ask. However if the last time you race was 25 years ago you might like to take the school because flag routines have signifanctly changed since then. Everything else is the same. If you have any ?'s about the tech reqirements for the school you can ask me. I'm one of the guys that run the RRS, and do the tech insp for both the schools and MARRC track days. S Need a motorcycle related phone number or address? Try http://www.his.com/harris/shops.htm From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 09:49:04 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21032 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA20516; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:47:46 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990120144827.TQEP5654@toddnt>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 08:48:27 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: , , , Cc: Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:47:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be4483$cf2d4e50$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: Fred wrote: > In a message dated 1/19/99 9:32:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: > > << I've reviewed > studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear >> > Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep > seeing this when > discussing MSF. Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear > wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? Since all my > safety courses > were taken in Europe (Italy) many years ago and rear brake use is a no no > there (it is described as equivalent to the emergency brake on an > automobile), > I am curious. There is no assumption that the rider will invariably lock the rear. The lesson is practiced for cases when the rear IS locked. I'm curious why the European lesson doesn't address an emergency situation like this. The MSF doesn't teach that the rear is a 'no no' but rather that, while braking the forces of the bikes momentum will cause the rear to lose available traction as the front gains and therefore using the front more aggressively will stop you. There must be a better explanation as to why the rear brake exists other than as an 'emergency brake'. Todd From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:27:31 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24888 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13949 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11400 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 468; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:26:43 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990120132547.01da3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:26:38 -0500 To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Bike Show Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone going to this? BIKE SHOW & SWAP MEET--Richmond Coliseum, Jan. 24, 1999. 804-693-4203/afternoons. (ad as seen in Washington Post) ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:51:05 1999 Return-Path: Horkster@XXXXXX Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25359 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A468440208; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:46:00 EST Message-ID: <36A6257E.611B5FB@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:50:38 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Boiade@XXXXXX CC: cnorloff@XXXXXX, Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Boiade@XXXXXX asks: > > Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing > this when discussing MSF. Oh yeah, it's All-American. I think the big problem with some older riders (like my father-in-law, self taught, so you can't possibly teach him anything more) is that they commonly thought "back in the old days" that front brake usage would "throw you over the handlebars", hence too many folks here relied too much on the rear brake. This is also the country where "laying the bike down to avoid a crash" is a popular expression. Anyway, we've long been screwed up when it comes to braking properly. Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. (Note: I have abs and traction control in my cage. I grudgingly admit that they have come in very handy in the last few cold weeks. I still think linked braking systems are a crime against humanity.) And that brings me back to the MSF. The MSF does teach that the front brake is your friend. I'm cool there. It's when they advocate keeping a rear wheel locked (if it does lock up, that's not the goal) if it starts sliding in a panic stop. They say there's a risk of a highside if you release it. They don't say how big of a risk. Every time you enter a corner you risk a high side. Evidently the MSF feels that it's too confusing/complicated to teach new riders to modulate the rear brake to control the back end stepping out of line - evidently having bikes sliding sideways is more acceptable to them. Personally, in a full panic stop, I am distracted by the noise of a skidding rear, I want to be able to hear if the *FRONT* starts to skid (not that I'll definitely be able to save it, but I might be able to back off the lever in time). Anyway, one more time, if the back tire starts skidding under hard braking, it might start moving out to one side or the other. If this happens, simple release and reapply a little more gently. The bike most definitely will snap back into line, but it's more of a twitch, quite manageable to control, and not the highside- inducing maneuver that the MSF would have you believe. But the whole time this is going on, you should really be concentrating on achieving maximum use out of your front brake. I've found I can squeeze the front lever hard, pray, curse, pucker, and still be able to pump the rear foot lever if I have to. If I can do it, anybody can. > Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear > wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? To answer this directly, they assume that locked rears are common under hard braking, but they never recommend locking the rear. They just teach the wrong method for dealing with it. IMHO, of course. :) -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:53:51 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25393 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14537 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net ([208.206.112.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA12709 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tidalwave.net [166.32.112.69] by tidalwave.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A507DB402A8; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:48:39 EST Message-ID: <36A6261D.789F362D@tidalwave.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:53:17 -0500 From: Dale Horstman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Troutman CC: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Bike Show References: <4.1.19990120132547.01da3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's also something similar going on in the Capitol Expo Center in Chantilly (right behind the Wendy's on Rt. 28) January 30/31, as seen in Winding Road Moto Times. I'll post the specifics if anyone is interested. I wonder if it'd be worthwhile? Dale Mike Troutman wrote: > > Anyone going to this? > > BIKE SHOW & SWAP MEET--Richmond Coliseum, Jan. 24, 1999. > 804-693-4203/afternoons. -- Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) 1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR 1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) 1976 Kawasaki KZ400 From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 13:56:38 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA25423 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA14563 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.troutman.org (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12808 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from vulture (www.troutman.org [38.241.229.100]) by www.troutman.org (Netscape Messaging Server 3.56) with SMTP id 467; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:55:59 -0500 Message-Id: <4.1.19990120135537.01a34520@mail.wheatintl.com> X-Sender: mike@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:55:57 -0500 To: Dale Horstman From: "Mike Troutman" Subject: Re: Bike Show Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: <36A6261D.789F362D@tidalwave.net> References: <4.1.19990120132547.01da3f10@mail.wheatintl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hope so. I live about 30 seconds from the Chantilly Expo site ;-) At 01:53 PM 1/20/99 , Dale Horstman wrote: >There's also something similar going on in the Capitol >Expo Center in Chantilly (right behind the Wendy's on >Rt. 28) January 30/31, as seen in Winding Road Moto Times. > >I'll post the specifics if anyone is interested. I wonder >if it'd be worthwhile? > >Dale > >Mike Troutman wrote: >> >> Anyone going to this? >> >> BIKE SHOW & SWAP MEET--Richmond Coliseum, Jan. 24, 1999. >> 804-693-4203/afternoons. > > >-- >Dale Horstman (the Horkster) "Owning 2 bikes is useful because at >horkster@XXXXXX least one can be raided for parts at >Dale City, Virginia any given time." :) > >1998 Kawasaki Concours "BugSlayer" VA Tag: BGSLYR >1998 Kawasaki Concours (No, it's not a typo!) >1976 Kawasaki KZ400 ___________________________________________ Mike Troutman http://www.troutman.org "Republicans believe every day is the Forth of July, but Democrats believe every day is April 15." - Ronald Reagan From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:11:23 1999 Return-Path: kirk@XXXXXX Received: from beta.nova.org (beta.nova.org [209.31.144.41]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25723 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from members (members.fcac.org [209.31.144.35]) by beta.nova.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03394; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:11:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:11:12 -0500 (EST) From: Kirk Roy X-Sender: kirk@XXXXXX To: Dale Horstman cc: Boiade@XXXXXX, cnorloff@XXXXXX, Todd Peer , dc-cycles@XXXXXX Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) In-Reply-To: <36A6257E.611B5FB@tidalwave.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Dale Horstman wrote: > Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems > are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) > riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought > to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build > bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the > rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. Uh, oh. Get him Glenn! :) The VFR800 has the 3rd generation linked brakes and has impressive stopping distances for a bike of its weight... Rear wheel skids are almost non-existent. > Personally, in a full panic stop, I am distracted by the noise > of a skidding rear, I want to be able to hear if the *FRONT* starts > to skid (not that I'll definitely be able to save it, but I might be > able to back off the lever in time). Er, you use the sound to let you know when you've got a slide? It's probably a better idea to learn to feel the bike sliding than to worry about listening to it. I know my bike(s) make no discernible noise when sliding. Dirt bikes don't make any noise when sliding and the dirt is the best place to learn what happens and what to do when a bike gets loose. I need to reintroduce myself to the dirt... > not the highside-inducing maneuver that the MSF would have you believe. The MSF will take someone who's never ridden a motorcycle and make them capable of passing the state licensing test. Nuance is not one of the things they teach and I think that's appropriate, given the audience. Many of the people in the classes are just trying to remember that the clutch is in the left hand, the front brake is in the right hand, etc... BTW and FWIW, I know a guy who totalled a 916 when a minivan pulled out in front of him. He panicked, grabbed a handful of front brake, and did an ugly endo in the middle of the road. The bike was pretty new to him and he hadn't practiced hard braking. More than anything else (rear brake philosophy and all that) it's important to practice so that things become second nature. That's probably one of the key things in the MSF teaching. Kirk From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:15:06 1999 Return-Path: Dysart@XXXXXX Received: from dadc014.army.mil ([134.11.235.134]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25870 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by dadc014.hqda.pentagon.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" To: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:14:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) No offense Dale but you obviously have never ridden a bike with LBS? Call it a crutch if you want but that's not what it is. To me its an excellent way to stop the bike. Everyone I hear gripe about the system usually has never ridden a bike with one. Why do you need your brakes separated? It might be fine for a racer that pushes their bike to the extreme edge on a track (I think someone called it settling the rear end) but for the street LBS is an EXCELLENT choice. Don't just believe me, read the reviews on the VFR, others on the list that HAVE ridden the VFR with LBS. All of them will tell you how well it works. There is no doubt that the MSF should teach proper braking since 99% of the bikes on the road don't have LBS but that's no reason to slam on LBS. Like I said, MOST people don't need separate front and rear brake controls, if you think they should give me a good explanation why. Glenn I'd buy another bike with LBS Dysart > Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems > are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) > riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought > to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build > bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the > rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. > > (Note: I have abs and traction control in my cage. I grudgingly > admit that they have come in very handy in the last few cold weeks. > I still think linked braking systems are a crime against humanity.) > > From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:17:02 1999 Return-Path: dc-cycles-request@XXXXXX Received: from tove.cs.umd.edu (tove.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.42]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25893 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:16:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mimsy.cs.umd.edu (root@XXXXXX [128.8.128.8]) by tove.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA14915 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by mimsy.cs.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA13648 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) From: CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX Received: from CloudsAbv9@XXXXXX by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id MUFCa20555 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:12:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <247b8c63.36a62ab6@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:12:54 EST To: dc-cycles@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Fwd: Amusing.. and how true.. NTLR Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part0_916859575_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916859575_boundary Content-ID: <0_916859575@XXXXXX> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII gotta laugh at this.... --part0_916859575_boundary Content-ID: <0_916859575@XXXXXX> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (rly-ya04.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.196]) by air-ya04.mx.aol.com (v56.22) with SMTP; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:49:49 -0500 Received: from lists1.best.com (lists1.best.com [206.86.8.15]) by rly-ya04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA13843; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists1.best.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/best.ls) id JAA23007; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:23:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901201723.JAA23007@lists1.best.com> From: "Javaheri, Pejman" Subject: Amusing.. and how true.. NTLR Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:20:39 -0500 BestServHost: lists.best.com Sender: tl1000s-errors@XXXXXX Errors-To: tl1000s-errors@XXXXXX Reply-To: TL1000S@XXXXXX To: tl1000s@XXXXXX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Arthur Davidson, of the Harley Davidson Motorcycle Corporation, dies and goes to heaven. At the gates, an angel tells Davidson, "Well, you've been such a good guy and your motorcycles have changed the world. As a reward, you can hangout with anyone you want to in Heaven." Davidson thinks about it and says, "I wanna hang out with God, Himself." The befeathered fellow at the Gates takes Arthur to the Throne Room and introduces him to God. Arthur then asks God, "Hey, aren't you the inventor of Woman?" God says, "Ah, yes." "Well," says Davidson, "you have some major design flaws in your invention: 1. there's too much front end protrusion 2. it chatters at high speeds 3. the rear end wobbles too much, and 4. the intake is placed too close to the exhaust." "Hmmm..." replies God, "hold on." God goes to the Celestial Supercomputer, types in a few keystrokes, and waits for the result. The computer prints out a slip of paper and God reads it. "It may be that my invention is flawed," God replies to Arthur Davidson, but accordin= g to My Computer, more people are riding my invention than yours." --part0_916859575_boundary-- From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:56:05 1999 Return-Path: gixer@XXXXXX Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26694 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (207-172-39-187.s187.tnt10.ann.erols.com [207.172.39.187]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28322; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:55:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36A63A64.8EC6A4BD@geocities.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:19:48 -0500 From: "Collin T. Fagan (cfagan@XXXXXX)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN" CC: "'DC Cycles'" Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage (long) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree. The brakes on your cage are linked, right?? Why not on the bike? It provides smooth even braking with decreased stopping distances... Sounds like a good thing to me. And believe it or not, there are a couple of AMA superbikes running it as a test platform.... From the articles I read back last spring, it sounded like it was performing very well in that venue as well... Collin Dysart, Glenn B., Mr., IMCEN wrote: Why do you need your brakes separated? It > might be fine for a racer that pushes their bike to the extreme edge on a > track (I think someone called it settling the rear end) but for the street > LBS is an EXCELLENT choice. From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 14:58:58 1999 Return-Path: cnorloff@XXXXXX Received: from piglet.toward.com (piglet.toward.com [204.194.180.31]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26788 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:58:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from norloff [206.239.251.201] by piglet.toward.com (SMTPD32-4.07) id A56B30B02A4; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:58:35 EDT Message-Id: <4.1.19990120150010.00ff7f10@mail.toward.com> X-Sender: cnorloff@XXXXXX X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:02:15 -0500 To: Boiade@XXXXXX From: Chris Norloff Subject: Re: Rear Brake Usage Cc: dc-cycles@XXXXXX In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >cnorloff@XXXXXX writes: ><< I've reviewed > studies that showed riders braked quicker by locking the rear >> > >At 06:27 PM 1/19/99 , Boiade@XXXXXX wrote: >Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing this when >discussing MSF. Is it assumed that a rider will invariably lock the rear >wheel or do they actually recommend locking it? Since all my safety courses >were taken in Europe (Italy) many years ago and rear brake use is a no no >there (it is described as equivalent to the emergency brake on an automobile), >I am curious. No, the recommended braking procedure is to apply both brakes up to impending lockup. The point of the studies about braking-better-with-a-locked-rear-wheel was only that the rear brake provides very little braking in "emergency" or "panic" situations, and that the rider's attention is best devoted to the front brake. Chris Norloff From dc-cycles-request Wed Jan 20 15:13:22 1999 Return-Path: todd.b.peer@XXXXXX Received: from ndcrelay2.mcit.com (ndcrelay2.mcit.com [166.37.172.6]) by meretrix.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27108 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from omta2.mcit.com (omta2.mcit.com [166.37.204.3]) by ndcrelay2.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id UAA26198; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:10:02 GMT Received: from toddnt ([166.41.242.214]) by omta2.mcit.com (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with SMTP id <19990120201245.VTHF5654@toddnt>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:12:45 -0600 From: "Todd Peer" To: "Dale Horstman" , Cc: , Subject: RE: Rear Brake Usage (long) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:11:48 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01be44b1$1c0eba60$d6f229a6@toddnt.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <36A6257E.611B5FB@tidalwave.net> Dale Horstman wrote: > Boiade@XXXXXX asks: > > > > Is it an American thing about locking the rear brake? I keep seeing > > this when discussing MSF. > > Oh yeah, it's All-American. I think the big problem with some > older riders (like my father-in-law, self taught, so you can't > possibly teach him anything more) is that they commonly thought > "back in the old days" that front brake usage would "throw you > over the handlebars", hence too many folks here relied too much > on the rear brake. This is also the country where "laying the > bike down to avoid a crash" is a popular expression. Anyway, > we've long been screwed up when it comes to braking properly. I don't buy the "throw you over the handlebars" argument to explain away your perception that locking the rear brake is an 'American' thing. I've heard this explanation by SOME riders who, regardless of their age, seemed to exhibit some seriously ignorant attitudes about riding a motorcycle. Some of them even think helmets will break your neck! (run, duck...he said helmets!). I think the prevailing wisdem of the older riders (That'd be you too Fred, right?) was that the front brakes on the older bikes just plain sucked. You NEEDED to use the rear so you could stop. Which brings me to my next statements....... > > Personally, that's why I think crutches like linked braking systems > are offered on Goldwings (and maybe other bikes) - too many (older) > riders who refused to use the front brake lever - so Honda thought > to outsmart them, I guess. I think it's reprehensible to build > bikes this way to work-around a rider's deficiencies. Teach the > rider to ride better, don't build him more (and fancier) crutches. .......Your argument seems to be that we should all go back to riding bikes with ball-bearing rings in the steering head, chains that need constant lubrication, drummed front breaks and cabled only clutches. All of these and a kick-starter are supposed to make for better riders?? I just don't understand your techno-bigotry (heh, made that one up ;)), or fear of innovation as it seems. Honda, BMW and others offered these technological innovations to a market that could afford it and ultimately support further R&D for even better stopping power. Again, what drove LBS's and ABS's to such markets like the GoldWings and heavier bikes probably had to do more with economies of scale than the average age of a rider or there command of sufficient riding skills. I don't know if you've ridden a bike with either LBS or ABS, so I'm not clear why you feel the way you do. I've ridden two types, both with LBS (CBRXX and the VFR800) and can say that I love the way the bikes sat down and stopped with nary an effort by me. And I did it all with pressing just the rear break lever. ;) > > (Note: I have abs and traction control in my cage. I grudgingly > admit that they have come in very handy in the last few cold weeks. > I still think linked braking systems are a crime against humanity.) > > And that brings me back to the MSF. The MSF does teach that the > front brake is your friend. I'm cool there. It's when they > advocate keeping a rear wheel locked (if it does lock up, that's > not the goal) if it starts sliding in a panic stop. They say there's > a risk of a highside if you release it. They don't say how big of > a risk. Every time you enter a corner you risk a high side. Evidently > the MSF feels that it's too confusing/complicated to teach new riders > to modulate the rear brake to control the back end stepping out of > line - evidently having bikes sliding sideways is more acceptable to > them. Personally, in a full panic stop, I am distracted by the noise > of a skidding rear, I want to be able to hear if the *FRONT* starts > to skid (not that I'll definitely be able to save it, but I might be > able to back off the lever in time). I agree with your notion that the MSF should teach controlled use of the back brake. Feathering? But I don't recall the MSF advocating that you should continue a slide due to rear break while sideways. I've taken the ERC twice and just don't ever recall that. The technique they do teach is that once locked, continue your braking while in an upright position. And I believe they teach this so that inexperienced riders (relative term) aren't upset by how the chassis wiggles if you let up on the rear. > > Anyway, one more time, if the back tire starts skidding under > hard braking, it might start moving out to one side or the other. > If this happens, simple release and reapply a little more gently. > The bike most definitely will snap back into line, but it's more > of a twitch, quite manageable to control, and not the highside- > inducing maneuver that the MSF would have you believe. As a matter of fact, this is what I do. But I only rarely lock the rear in a panic situation. Every other time it locks is on purpose >:) > > But the whole time this is going on, you should really be > concentrating on achieving maximum use out of your front brake. > I've found I can squeeze the front lever hard, pray, curse, > pucker, and still be able to pump the rear foot lev